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| baoli | #startmeeting PCI Passthrough | 13:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 18 13:01:23 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is baoli. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: PCI Passthrough)" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'pci_passthrough' | 13:01 |
| baoli | Hi there | 13:01 |
| beagles | hi | 13:01 |
| pczesno | hi | 13:01 |
| sadasu | hello | 13:01 |
| riwinters | hi | 13:01 |
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| yonglihe | hi | 13:01 |
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| irenab | hi | 13:02 |
| baoli | Looks like the everyone is here. let's get started | 13:02 |
| baoli | #topic bugs | 13:02 |
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| baoli | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Passthrough#Agenda_on_Nov._18th.2C_2014 | 13:03 |
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| baoli | So no new bugs | 13:03 |
| yonglihe | sound good | 13:04 |
| baoli | yonglihe: any progress on the 'resize' bug? | 13:05 |
| yonglihe | yes | 13:05 |
| irenab | I guess we need to be sure that proposed patches are tested on real HW | 13:05 |
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| yonglihe | for now, the flow design is ok. and resize to same host is working fine. | 13:05 |
| yonglihe | for resize to another machine, still in debuging. | 13:06 |
| yonglihe | and just to throw a factor impact design : | 13:06 |
| yonglihe | do we should ensure reverting resize get the orignial pci devices? | 13:06 |
| yonglihe | and , should we ensure the reverting is always can be successuf? | 13:07 |
| yonglihe | the 2nd is like must. | 13:07 |
| yonglihe | but first 1nd, i don't very sure. | 13:07 |
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| yonglihe | current, i ensure both. | 13:08 |
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| irenab | yonglihe: I think it should work in a sort of 'make before break' fasion | 13:08 |
| yonglihe | ireab, don't get it , what is it? | 13:08 |
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| irenab | I mean if resize if not working on other node, you should stay with what was working before | 13:09 |
| irenab | I think it is similar to migration flow | 13:09 |
| baoli | yonglihe: I see, can you share your preliminary patch if possible? I wonder if there are common area between resize and live migration | 13:09 |
| irenab | I think it may be also relevant to interface-attach | 13:10 |
| yonglihe | baoli: share most of code | 13:10 |
| baoli | yonglihe, are you working on 'resize' with generic PCI device, or SR-IOV as well | 13:11 |
| sadasu | for resize within the same host, we should be able to use the same pci devices | 13:11 |
| yonglihe | sadasu, ok, currently it is. | 13:11 |
| sadasu | resize on a diff host, should be similar to bringing up a whole new VM with new criteria, once that is up, free up old VM | 13:12 |
| irenab | and if it failed, keep the initial VM | 13:12 |
| yonglihe | baoli, it's time cosuming to debug it. to ensure both 1&2 constrain, there lack of 2 'update' resource point, i add it but need testing and debuging. | 13:12 |
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| irenab | yonglihe: can the fix be split into 2 parts: resize on smae node and resize to other node? | 13:13 |
| yonglihe | irenab, keep the initial pci is ok, not the initial vm,cause if not live migration, it's destroyed. | 13:13 |
| yonglihe | irenab: it can , but i not split it. and no unit test. | 13:14 |
| baoli | yonglihe, I understand. | 13:14 |
| irenab | yonglihe: ok, I was not aware that there is no option to choose the fallback | 13:14 |
| yonglihe | i can throw a 'WIP' single host version, if you guy's want it. | 13:14 |
| irenab | yonglihe: great, we can grap and test it as well | 13:15 |
| baoli | yonglihe, sure a WIP patch is welcome so that we can see where you are at and going | 13:15 |
| baoli | Anything else on bugs? | 13:15 |
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| yonglihe | ok, single host is working, including device reserve, release, resize, reverting and aborting. | 13:15 |
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| yonglihe | resize from 0-1, 1-2, 2-1 also tested, but not enough. | 13:16 |
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| irenab | baoli: neutron bug is fixed | 13:17 |
| baoli | yonglihe, that is very good progress. | 13:17 |
| yonglihe | a head up is, pci devices is kind of new for nova resource tracker, which not fit wll wiht "reseting to free and collection from instances and migrations' stlye | 13:17 |
| baoli | irenab, cool | 13:17 |
| baoli | yonglihe, so looking forward to your WIP patch | 13:18 |
| yonglihe | so, resouce reservation, release and all thoes depending on the states of opration and some key point 'resource updating'. | 13:18 |
| irenab | I have related question | 13:19 |
| yonglihe | such a patch, will kind of 'mess' . | 13:19 |
| yonglihe | another bug is 'sync with the db. | 13:20 |
| yonglihe | there are 2 patches there, but i had a new idea: a approch to the 'colletion from instance ' resolution, but it's kind of long term refine task. | 13:21 |
| yonglihe | s/resolution/solution/ | 13:21 |
| baoli | yonglihe: what's "collection from instance"? | 13:21 |
| irenab | yonglihe: what bug number/link? | 13:21 |
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| baoli | irenab: 1383465, 1333498 | 13:23 |
| yonglihe | baoli: think about the vcpu/memory | 13:23 |
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| yonglihe | every round update resource, resource tracker reset them to free, then subtracting them from this node's instances and migrations. | 13:24 |
| yonglihe | this approch will make resize /migration more clear, but request more changes to db opration. | 13:25 |
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| baoli | yonglihe, I will take a look at it offline. But right now, we need something that is working with the existing design, I think | 13:25 |
| yonglihe | currently pci db 'forbiden' opratiing the device from another node, this lead the resize code mess. | 13:25 |
| yonglihe | baoli, agree | 13:26 |
| irenab | yonglihe: I think it worth to add your concerns to the bug | 13:26 |
| yonglihe | irenab, i will update | 13:26 |
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| irenab | it will be easier to understand why it was resolved in certain way | 13:27 |
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| sadasu | irenab: what neutron bug were you referring to earlier? link pls? | 13:27 |
| irenab | sadasu: it is on the meeting agenda | 13:27 |
| sadasu | ok....thanks | 13:27 |
| baoli | yonglihe, you are welcome to write up your thoughts so that we can understand what you want to do. Also your WIP patch would help us know where you are at. | 13:28 |
| irenab | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=pci-passthrough | 13:28 |
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| yonglihe | baoli, sure. | 13:28 |
| baoli | yonglihe, thanks | 13:28 |
| baoli | Can we move on? | 13:28 |
| yonglihe | another thing, i not testing the sriov. it requie a few more patch to do that. | 13:28 |
| baoli | yonglihe, that's fine | 13:29 |
| irenab | I do not want to be trouble maker, but I think we should think about appropriate testing for the fixes | 13:29 |
| irenab | tempest? | 13:29 |
| yonglihe | can't | 13:29 |
| yonglihe | need third CI | 13:29 |
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| yonglihe | for an formal way to ensure pci is ok. | 13:30 |
| irenab | yonglihe: agree. But we need CI to run the test | 13:30 |
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| yonglihe | lack of method to fake a 'pci passthrouh' devices. if there is, tell, me , we then can setup up official temptest cases. | 13:31 |
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| irenab | we may proably discuss it part of the CI topic, so lets move on | 13:31 |
| baoli | irenab, CI is on the agenda | 13:31 |
| baoli | #topic Reviews | 13:31 |
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| baoli | On the new whitelist format, some cores prefers a different file approach | 13:32 |
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| baoli | But Ian's patch is still under review | 13:32 |
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| sadasu | my 2 cents, if these cores are very active in the NFV area, we should consider this approach | 13:33 |
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| baoli | Haven't seen Ian responding to the email thread. So we'll see | 13:34 |
| baoli | a few reviews requires +2s. So let's ask the cores to take a look at them | 13:34 |
| sadasu | Ian as in ijw was off last week | 13:34 |
| sadasu | or is that a diff Ian | 13:35 |
| baoli | sadasu, it is Ian Wienand | 13:35 |
| sadasu | ok :-) | 13:35 |
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| baoli | #topic Blueprints | 13:39 |
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| baoli | On live migration, I was thinking that the VM should move to a host in which PCI devices are from the same vendor/product_id as the source host. Do you think this makes sense as a requirement? | 13:41 |
| irenab | baoli: interesting...Not sure I agree... | 13:42 |
| jchapman | Hi all, SRIOV scheduling with stateless offloads spec will be uploaded today | 13:43 |
| irenab | I mean with the general approach to support multi vendors | 13:43 |
| irenab | baoli: it is possible to make it as optional requirement? | 13:44 |
| yonglihe | jchapman, add me | 13:44 |
| baoli | irenab, are you thinking that you may live migrate a VM with sr-iov from one vendor to a different one? How do we make sure these devices are compatible? | 13:44 |
| yonglihe | live migration to a diffrent pci device is posible? | 13:44 |
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| sadasu | baoli: don't think that should be a requirement | 13:44 |
| jchapman | yonglihe; sure thing | 13:44 |
| beagles | baoli, I'm curious about that myself | 13:44 |
| yonglihe | if devices changes, driver know that? and hypervisor support such thing? | 13:45 |
| baoli | jchapman, that's cool. | 13:45 |
| yonglihe | even the pci address change , does hypevisor supporting such live migration? | 13:45 |
| baoli | irenab, for example, if a VM uses cisco's vmfex, it can't be live migrated to a host that uses non vmfex devices. | 13:46 |
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| irenab | baoli: as think that here some devices can coexist and some cannot. Intel and MEllanox probably can be replaced, but Cisco has a unique technology | 13:47 |
| sadasu | baoli: I think the decision should still be based on physical network | 13:47 |
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| baoli | sadasu, then you do you make sure the devices are compatible? | 13:48 |
| irenab | but I think baoli is right, since image should contain the appropriate vendor drivers | 13:48 |
| yonglihe | the live migration constrain should thinck carefully | 13:48 |
| yonglihe | i notice there a way through suspend to ram to achive this, but still limited maybe. | 13:48 |
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| irenab | I think we may start with sticking to the same vendor and evolve later, and see what will be raised during spec review | 13:49 |
| baoli | yonglihe, we're talking about live migration with macvtap, not direct passthrough | 13:49 |
| yonglihe | baoli, sorry , forget it again | 13:50 |
| irenab | I forgot too :-) | 13:50 |
| irenab | so aactually we do not have problem with vendor driver inside VM, so why we need the limitation? | 13:50 |
| baoli | irenab, I agree. | 13:50 |
| yonglihe | agree | 13:51 |
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| sadasu | i feel we should only worry about physical network connectivity | 13:51 |
| baoli | irenab, I don't think we'd have problem with cold migration to different vendors, as long as they are on the same network | 13:51 |
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| sadasu | baoli: what is the difference between cold migration and live migration? | 13:52 |
| beagles | time is running a litle short, so I figure I'll just interrupt - I'm putting together a blueprint for supporting bonds interfaces in guests... on the face of it, it doesn't seem like a "big deal" but I may be missing some critical bits. I'll be uploading a WIP tomorrow | 13:52 |
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| beagles | (lots of meetings today so I don't expect it to be today) | 13:53 |
| irenab | baoli: I think the best will be if you push the spec as WIP so we can start to get an idea of what is your plan | 13:53 |
| irenab | beagles: great! | 13:53 |
| baoli | irenab, let's try that. | 13:53 |
| baoli | beagles, looking forward to it | 13:53 |
| baoli | sadasu, VM will look liks no down time with live migration | 13:54 |
| baoli | beagles, please update the meeting wiki with your WIP | 13:55 |
| * beagles nods | 13:55 | |
| sadasu | beagles: thanks..no idea what "bonds interfaces in guests" means but will look for your spec | 13:55 |
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| irenab | beagles: do you plan for multi vendor support as well? Is it vendor agnostic? | 13:56 |
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| pczesno | i will try to restart the discussion about nova api changes to support booting with sroiv ports | 13:56 |
| sadasu | baoli: going back to live/cold migration..can we have diff criteria for each as you are suggesting in the earlier comment? | 13:57 |
| baoli | sadasu, that's possible. | 13:57 |
| pczesno | i understand that there were earlier approches to do that , can you guys provide links to old reviews discussions etc. | 13:57 |
| beagles | irenab, considering the use case I'm focussing on, I suspect that it will be vendor agnostic but I would not expect users to select from different devices to create a bond in the guest... although... | 13:57 |
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| sadasu | baoli: ok | 13:58 |
| beagles | now that I think of it, I don't know why they wouldnt' want to do that if the guest OS supported it | 13:58 |
| baoli | pczesno: one sec. | 13:58 |
| irenab | pczesno: great, I just saw some proposed nova spec for multi-queue proposing api change as wee planned for vnic_type | 13:58 |
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| beagles | .. thinking that if HA is the objective the different upstream links might be across diverse hardware | 13:58 |
| irenab | beagles: agree with every word | 13:59 |
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| beagles | irenab, in any case, I wasn't thinking of anything that would be restrictive or exclusionary | 13:59 |
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| irenab | beagles: this was my understanding as well | 14:00 |
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| pczesno | irenab, baoli can you add the old links to the agenda pls? i gotta go | 14:00 |
| pczesno | bye | 14:00 |
| baoli | pczesno, sure | 14:00 |
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| irenab | pczesno: what irc you are usually on? I can try to find the relevant links | 14:00 |
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| irenab | let's start from CI our next meeting, ok? | 14:01 |
| sadasu | time is up | 14:01 |
| baoli | ok, next time | 14:01 |
| yonglihe | time to say you gain. | 14:01 |
| baoli | thanks everyone | 14:01 |
| yonglihe | see | 14:01 |
| yonglihe | thanks | 14:01 |
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| irenab | bye | 14:01 |
| riwinters | bye | 14:01 |
| sadasu | thanks again | 14:01 |
| baoli | #endmeeting | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 18 14:01:56 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-11-18-13.01.html | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-11-18-13.01.txt | 14:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-11-18-13.01.log.html | 14:02 |
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| irenab | jogo: hi | 14:21 |
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| sc68cal | hello all | 14:59 |
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| raorn | hi? | 14:59 |
| SridharG | hello | 15:00 |
| raorn | is today's meeting going to happen? | 15:00 |
| sc68cal | #startmeeting neutron_ipv6 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 18 15:00:15 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ipv6' | 15:00 |
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| xuhanp | hi | 15:01 |
| HenryG | o/ | 15:01 |
| BrianB__ | hi | 15:01 |
| baoli | Hi | 15:01 |
| dane_leblanc | O/ | 15:01 |
| raorn | greetings everyone | 15:01 |
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| sc68cal | dane_leblanc: I saw markmcclain -1'd your spec - let's try and talk with him at some point and figure a way forward for your spec (https://review.openstack.org/98217) | 15:03 |
| dane_leblanc | sc68cal: He had 2 comments, one saying that one change should be made as a separate bug | 15:03 |
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| dane_leblanc | 2nd comment was that API changes would depend on the upcoming API splits | 15:04 |
| markmcclain | sc68cal: they were mostly procedural items | 15:04 |
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| markmcclain | overall we need the work | 15:04 |
| HenryG | The separate bug issue is legitimate and easy to fix | 15:04 |
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| raorn | i also have spec that needs to be discussed (https://review.openstack.org/129910) | 15:05 |
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| dane_leblanc | I've created a bug for part of the separation: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134978/ | 15:06 |
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| HenryG | It's less clear to me how to line up the spec with the upcoming API changes | 15:06 |
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| sc68cal | we also need to consider https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131145/ | 15:06 |
| sc68cal | we will be returning errors when someone asks for a FIP for a v6 subnet | 15:07 |
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| sc68cal | raorn: thanks for the link to your spec, I'll take a look :) | 15:08 |
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| raorn | sc68cal: there's also related issue - https://review.openstack.org/125061 | 15:09 |
| sc68cal | HenryG: I agree - I think Kilo is going to be a tricky cycle to get features landed | 15:09 |
| sc68cal | raorn: thanks. That is also on my radar. I have a /27 for v4 and a /64 for IPv6 in my lab - this burns me all the time :) | 15:10 |
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| baoli | sc68cal: RE: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131145/. Talked to Bradley, new patch should be up soon. | 15:11 |
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| sc68cal | baoli: thanks - based on our discussions we had in-person at the summit, as well as talking with markmcclain, the consensus seems to be that floating IPs for IPv6 don't have a good use case at this point | 15:13 |
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| sc68cal | People were using FIPs in v4 as both a way to have public access, and sorta-kina like a VIP for load balancing | 15:13 |
| sc68cal | so I think that Bradley's patch is the correct way forward until a compelling usecase comes forward | 15:14 |
| baoli | sc68cal: agree | 15:14 |
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| clarkb | as a consumer of neutron's API I will say that if I have to have two vey different code paths in my tools to support ipv4 and ipv6 chances are good I will not use ipv6 | 15:15 |
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| HenryG | clarkb: The problem is that the API is heavily geared towards the shortcomings of IPv4. | 15:16 |
| sc68cal | ^ +10000 | 15:16 |
| clarkb | sure | 15:16 |
| clarkb | but I shouldn't need to rewrite everything | 15:16 |
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| sc68cal | clarkb: your tooling should get simpler, due to getting a GUA off the bat | 15:16 |
| clarkb | if I want an ipv6 floating IP because it makes tooling simple then why not give it to me? | 15:16 |
| clarkb | no it won't be simpler | 15:16 |
| clarkb | because it will handle 2 cases instead of 1 | 15:17 |
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| clarkb | we already have to do this massive dance with ipv4 floating IPs. Everything fomr setting up networks and routers properly to actually requesting the IP and attaching it | 15:17 |
| clarkb | not needing to do that is good (and I think should be an option) | 15:17 |
| clarkb | but if it is the only option I need to do a different dance for ipv6 addrs | 15:17 |
| clarkb | which complicates existing tools | 15:18 |
| sc68cal | Depends on how you are deploying | 15:18 |
| sc68cal | our tooling is simple, v4 provider network, dual stacked | 15:18 |
| clarkb | well I am stuck with what my public clouds give me | 15:18 |
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| sc68cal | tenants attach to that net, boom, all done | 15:18 |
| clarkb | also supporting ipv6 floating IPs would be a simple way to add ipv6 addresses to existing hosts right? | 15:19 |
| sc68cal | No. | 15:19 |
| clarkb | anyways, I am just trying to think like a consumer of the api | 15:19 |
| sc68cal | NO NAT | 15:19 |
| haleyb | and no v4/v6 translation | 15:19 |
| sc68cal | ^ yep | 15:19 |
| clarkb | thats fine | 15:19 |
| clarkb | but I think the other concern still stands, I will not use ipv6 any time soon if I have to rewrite all my tooling | 15:20 |
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| baoli | clarkb: neutron requires specificatoin of --ip-version when creating a subnet. So if you plan to use IPv6, some change might be inevitable. | 15:20 |
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| clarkb | clouds are supposed to make this easy for me | 15:20 |
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| sc68cal | clarkb: and some clouds _have_ | 15:20 |
| clarkb | baoli: ya I think having switches to existing code paths is ok | 15:20 |
| clarkb | baoli: but needing new code paths is not ok | 15:20 |
| sc68cal | like the internal cloud that I happen to be associated with | 15:20 |
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| baoli | clarkb, ok, I think I understand your concern. | 15:21 |
| sc68cal | in the future, hopefully we can do v6 only on a net | 15:21 |
| sc68cal | so if you want v6, you create a port on that net, and leave this v4 business as it currently stands | 15:22 |
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| raorn | actually, we have success with ipv6-only nets | 15:22 |
| sc68cal | sorry, it's not going to be seamless, since as HenryG pointed out, v4 was baked into the openstack API from day one | 15:22 |
| clarkb | so I think the problem with that attitude is clouds exist to make this stuff easier for the consumer of the apis | 15:23 |
| clarkb | if that means that we have to deal with a little more complexity in the cloud that is a valuable trade off | 15:23 |
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| dane_leblanc | If we did consider supporting floating IP for v6, it might require some retooling anyway if the subnet being used is SLAAC | 15:23 |
| clarkb | as it stands I already have to special case far too many things that the clouds should just handle for me :) | 15:24 |
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| haleyb | clarkb: we have FIPv4 today since you can't reach that VM without it, with IPv6 (and a global address) you don't need FIP, so it's one less step, right? | 15:25 |
| clarkb | haleyb: its one less step but its a different code path... | 15:25 |
| clarkb | I like that simpler is an option | 15:25 |
| clarkb | I really think simpler should be supported | 15:25 |
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| clarkb | but I also think that we shouldn't break a bunch of existing code | 15:26 |
| sc68cal | what existing code exists for openstack for v6 | 15:26 |
| sc68cal | that we would break | 15:26 |
| sc68cal | there is none | 15:26 |
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| haleyb | let's get rid of all the ipv4 crutches people use today so they can run :) | 15:27 |
| raorn | yeah! | 15:27 |
| sc68cal | haleyb: preach it :) | 15:27 |
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| haleyb | i've been trying for ~20 years, hasn't worked yet | 15:28 |
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| haleyb | maybe we need ipv4 patches, like the nicotine ones? | 15:28 |
| haleyb | we digress.... | 15:29 |
| sc68cal | clarkb: I do think that tooling is a valid concern, maybe we can start a thread on the ML to figure out a way forward? | 15:29 |
| clarkb | I am just trying to provide an api consumer view point | 15:29 |
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| clarkb | keep in mind people have to use the api | 15:29 |
| baoli | I think that from the consumer's point of view, the API semantics should be consistent regardless the ip family. I think that's our goal as well. But we may not be able to achieve that 100 percent. | 15:29 |
| clarkb | and having tried to use it I think we forget that a lot | 15:29 |
| clarkb | baoli: ++ | 15:29 |
| raorn | clarkb: i have non fip-related question for you, as an api consumer | 15:30 |
| HenryG | I agree with baoli | 15:30 |
| sc68cal | baoli: agree | 15:30 |
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| HenryG | I think we can get pretty close to 100% if we ignore some calls with a warning. | 15:30 |
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| HenryG | Like FIP :) | 15:30 |
| sc68cal | HenryG: probably better to just throw an error | 15:31 |
| HenryG | sc68cal: I mean like "you asked for a FIP but you already have one" | 15:31 |
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| haleyb | but v6 will be different since with prefix delegation there will be something like 'neutron subnet-allocate...' | 15:31 |
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| haleyb | i think carl pushed out his IPAM spec with something like that in it | 15:32 |
| HenryG | haleyb: that's for tenants who know what prefixes are and what they want to do with them | 15:32 |
| baoli | haleyb, that will be a new API | 15:32 |
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| sc68cal | haleyb: yeah we're working closely with Carl on IPAM since a lot of his semantics also overlap with IPv6 PD semantics | 15:32 |
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| sc68cal | hoping to re-use code | 15:33 |
| haleyb | yes, just that getting a globally-routable prefix is required to really use v6, so there's extra steps as both admin and tenant | 15:33 |
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| HenryG | For tenants who just want things to work, the defaults should just work. The admin should be the only one who would need to configure or set up something. | 15:34 |
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| haleyb | If default is giving a tenant router a global prefix that's fine with me, guess it seems a little optional since i might only want a ULA | 15:36 |
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| haleyb | i now see how this seemingly little api changes could get painful | 15:37 |
| sc68cal | :) | 15:38 |
| sc68cal | we'll just have to keep hammering it into shape - right now this all exists in our heads and some pictures on twitter from the whiteboards :) | 15:38 |
| HenryG | haleyb: So there is one difference I see in v6. The tenant needs to specify whether their subnet is global or local. | 15:38 |
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| haleyb | so documentation is a big piece here | 15:39 |
| HenryG | ^^ +100 | 15:39 |
| sc68cal | agree - a huge piece in fact. | 15:39 |
| haleyb | HenryG: yes, global or local, one get's assigned (from admin pool), the other could be random or user-specified | 15:39 |
| haleyb | Do we need to add an agenda item to the mid-cycle to cover any IPv6 work? | 15:40 |
| dane_leblanc | Isn't mid-cycle mostly for tech debt and API splits? | 15:41 |
| sc68cal | I think this one is going to be tech dept and splits | 15:41 |
| haleyb | yeah, but i see henry and sean (and myself) are going, so I had hopes | 15:41 |
| sc68cal | good point - I'm down with an agenda item(s) | 15:42 |
| HenryG | haleyb: great, don't forget to add yourself to the wiki | 15:42 |
| haleyb | doing it now | 15:42 |
| haleyb | too bad there won't be much snow in early Dec | 15:42 |
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| dane_leblanc | Bring your roller skis | 15:44 |
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| SridharG | I would like to hear the opinion of the team about the following issue - https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1393527 | 15:44 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1393527 in neutron "IPv6 Subnets configured to use external router should not be allowed to associate to Neutron Router." [Undecided,New] | 15:44 |
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| SridharG | The idea is to stop users from associating a SLAAC subnet (configured to use external router) to a Neutron router. | 15:45 |
| SridharG | By doing this, we will be giving an early indication to the user instead of making them wonder why the VM is unable to acquire an IP address. | 15:45 |
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| HenryG | The mid-cycles have really perfected the "nothing much else to do here, let's get to work" locations. | 15:45 |
| sc68cal | SridharG: My concern is this would block IPv6 PD | 15:46 |
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| HenryG | sc68cal: I hadn't thought of that | 15:47 |
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| SridharG | sc68cal: can you please elaborate.. | 15:47 |
| sc68cal | It could be that the code that blocks a neutron router to be associated, would have to be un-done when we do IPv6 PD support | 15:48 |
| sc68cal | it's close enough to the workflow for PD support that it makes me a bit concerned | 15:48 |
| sc68cal | not 1:1, but close enough | 15:48 |
| baoli | sc68cal, in that case, it's not an external router anymore for the subnet, right? | 15:49 |
| sc68cal | baoli: to be honest, I'm not quite sure - you may be right | 15:49 |
| baoli | So if the combination indicates use of external router, then it shouldn't be added in to the neutron router. | 15:49 |
| SridharG | baoli: yes, thats my point as well. | 15:50 |
| sc68cal | ugh - I forget what external_router means in the API | 15:51 |
| sc68cal | external means so many things in neutron :( | 15:51 |
| baoli | SridharG, it's just that the user has to be aware of what each combination means | 15:51 |
| SridharG | http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/neutron-specs/specs/juno/ipv6-radvd-ra.html#rest-api-impact | 15:51 |
| HenryG | It seems OK but let's watch out that we don't make things awkward for PD. | 15:51 |
| sc68cal | SridharG: OK - you mean with ipv6_ra_mode NOT SET | 15:51 |
| sc68cal | ? | 15:51 |
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| SridharG | sc68cal: yes | 15:52 |
| sc68cal | ok now I'm getting closer to being on the same page | 15:52 |
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| SridharG | sc68cal: cool. So the idea is to return an error at an early stage. | 15:53 |
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| sc68cal | Got it now - yes that makes sense | 15:53 |
| sc68cal | I think I agree with HenryG's thinking. We'll just have to be careful | 15:54 |
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| SridharG | sc68cal: sure. I'll propose a patch and we can discuss the concerns if any during the review phase. thanks. | 15:55 |
| sc68cal | With the last 5 minutes - everyone keep an eye on bugs tagged with ipv6 - https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=ipv6&orderby=status&start=0 | 15:55 |
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| baoli | I also want to give folks here a heads up. We are working on an IPv6 + DVR solution here. We have a manual setup for it. We'll share the details soon. | 15:56 |
| raorn | i guess my scpec(s) will be discussed on next meeting? | 15:57 |
| haleyb | baoli: rajeev and myself have fixes for this we've been working one, one patch is out already | 15:57 |
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| sc68cal | Would prefer to not have manual setup | 15:57 |
| baoli | haleyb, can you share the link? | 15:58 |
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| sc68cal | raorn: yes, we'll all have to take a look and review | 15:58 |
| baoli | sc68cal, the manual setup is a proof of concept. | 15:58 |
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| raorn | ok | 15:58 |
| haleyb | baoli: https://review.openstack.org/134676 but i have another to get out as well | 15:59 |
| baoli | haleyb, cool, will take a look at. | 15:59 |
| haleyb | our first step is to just get it working, but if you have other thought's i'd like to hear them | 15:59 |
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| sc68cal | great meeting everyone - good to see everyone at the summit. Until next week! | 16:00 |
| sc68cal | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 18 16:00:09 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-11-18-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-11-18-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| baoli | haleyb, sure | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-11-18-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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| devkulkarni | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 16:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 18 16:05:46 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devkulkarni. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:05 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 16:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 16:05 |
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| dimtruck | Dimitry Ushakov | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:06 |
| datsun180b | Ed Cranford | 16:06 |
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| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: I just started the meeting | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | sorry I am behind schedule today. | 16:06 |
| devkulkarni | devdatta kulkarni | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | thanks devkulkarni | 16:06 |
| muralia | murali allada | 16:06 |
| devkulkarni | we are in #topic roll call | 16:06 |
| mkam | Melissa Kam | 16:07 |
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| adrian_otto | I will edit the agenda real quick, stand by | 16:07 |
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| devkulkarni | thanks adrian_otto | 16:07 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2014-11-18_1600_UTC Our Agenda | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: I'm happy to have you lead this meeting if you like | 16:09 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: no worries. you can take over now that you are here :) | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:10 |
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| adrian_otto | 1) Juno's final release will be tagged today or tomorrow | 16:10 |
| datsun180b | i think you need to convince the bot that you're the chair | 16:10 |
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| adrian_otto | datsun180b: aah | 16:10 |
| devkulkarni | oh! adrian_otto should I endmeeting then? | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | no, let's just have you repeat the channel commands for the sake of the minutes | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | or I can just prompt you | 16:11 |
| devkulkarni | ok, sounds good | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | let's enter Announcements | 16:11 |
| devkulkarni | irc://chat.freenode.net:6667/#topic Announcements | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | you are using Adium with that goofy cut/paste quirk | 16:11 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Announcements | 16:11 |
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| adrian_otto | perfect | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | so watch for the release coming today or Wed. | 16:12 |
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| devkulkarni | great. thanks adrian_otto | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | any other announements? | 16:12 |
| devkulkarni | is that process documented somewhere? | 16:12 |
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| devkulkarni | if not it will be great to have it documented on our wiki somewhere | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: yes, in fact it's. | 16:12 |
| devkulkarni | oh cool. | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | I can dig that up and share it | 16:13 |
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| devkulkarni | that will be awesome | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | I do have one other announcement | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | one sec | 16:13 |
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| adrian_otto | 2) An article featuring application ecosystem for OpenStack | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | #link http://blogs.cisco.com/datacenter/going-native-with-openstack-centric-applications-overview Going Native with OpenStack Centric Applications: Overview | 16:14 |
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| devkulkarni | cool. | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | If you have not already seen this, take a look. It's one of the most comprehensive works of its type | 16:14 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, devkulkarni let's proceed to action items | 16:14 |
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| devkulkarni | were cisco folks there at solum session at the summit? | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | unless we have other announcements from the team | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | yes, the author of this article Lee Calcote was present | 16:15 |
| devkulkarni | I see | 16:15 |
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| devkulkarni | #topic Review action items | 16:15 |
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| adrian_otto | we also had representation from a few groups in Oracle | 16:15 |
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| adrian_otto | including an R&D team that works on Solaris | 16:16 |
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| devkulkarni | nice. is there a video recording of the session? | 16:16 |
| devkulkarni | oh cool | 16:16 |
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| adrian_otto | I don't think there was a camera there | 16:16 |
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| adrian_otto | but I can't be certain | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | it was a long week in Paris | 16:17 |
| dimtruck | :) | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so action items, thanks devkulkarni | 16:17 |
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| adrian_otto | ACTION: dimtruck to follow up on bugs 1359516 and investigate for any specific issues in replacing simple_server with mod_wsgi | 16:17 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1359516 in solum "Needs to handle http header 'X-Forwarded-Proto'" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1359516 | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | status on this? | 16:17 |
| dimtruck | yes - research has been completed | 16:18 |
| dimtruck | i spoke to a number of other teams who implemented the same feature | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | what did we learn from that pursuit? | 16:18 |
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| dimtruck | i'll put in a patch request this week | 16:18 |
| dimtruck | basically, same thing as we though "simple_server should not be used in prod" | 16:18 |
| dimtruck | thought* | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | makes sense | 16:19 |
| devkulkarni | makes sense. thanks for the research on this dimtruck | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | ok, and further input needed from the team or beyond in order to act? | 16:19 |
| dimtruck | if you want to, we can review where the patch is next tuesday...hopefully it'll be merged by then but in case the group has questions.. | 16:19 |
| dimtruck | i'll write up the findings in launchpad | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | dimtruck: if you have progress to share you can present it in the BP/Task Review section next Tues. | 16:20 |
| dimtruck | sounds great! | 16:20 |
| dimtruck | i'll do that | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | but I think we can drop the AI now, agreed? | 16:20 |
| dimtruck | yes sir | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | ok, super | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | ACTION: dimtruck to report back results of multi-node devstack with solum setup | 16:20 |
| devkulkarni | yes | 16:20 |
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| dimtruck | we've discussed this last week after we set this action item | 16:20 |
| dimtruck | i think the consensus here is that barbican will work for us, pending finalization of their api | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so no need to carry this AI forward? | 16:21 |
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| dimtruck | and that's the only thing stopping us from multi-node devstack | 16:21 |
| dimtruck | adrian_otto: correct | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | I do have input on this subject | 16:21 |
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| adrian_otto | I engaged the Barbican team on the subject of the API | 16:21 |
| dimtruck | oh nice! | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | and they assured me that the current version of the API (to be known from this point as v1) will be a supported, stable API | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | and there shall be no contract breaking changes | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | if they adjust the API, it will be subsequent to a version bump | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | so this is the appropriate time to take dependencies on the API | 16:22 |
| * adrian_otto applause | 16:22 | |
| dimtruck | awesome! | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | ok, and our last AI was about the release cut, which I covered in the Announcements section | 16:23 |
| devkulkarni | cool | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | since that needs completion, please carry it for us | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: #action adrian_otto to cut the final Juno release | 16:23 |
| devkulkarni | #action adrian_otto to cut the final Juno release | 16:24 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Blueprint/Task review | 16:24 |
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| adrian_otto | and once we record that, let's proceed to BP/Task Review | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | ok, any work items for the team to consider/discuss today? | 16:24 |
| devkulkarni | I have one discussion point. | 16:25 |
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| adrian_otto | yes? | 16:25 |
| datsun180b | i've got one | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | ok, devkulkarni then datsun180b | 16:25 |
| devkulkarni | there was an email today on the mailing list about what will be easy place to get started to contributing to solum. | 16:25 |
| devkulkarni | I suggest that we mark our bugs as 'low hanging fruit' if they are relatively easy to fix | 16:26 |
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| adrian_otto | we probably have no bugs labeled as low-hanging-fruit? | 16:26 |
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| devkulkarni | that way folks who want to join and contribute can start there | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | excellent suggestion | 16:26 |
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| datsun180b | how about that one about assemblies freezing in BUILD when deploy fails | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | does anyone have some bugs in mind we should mark accordingly? | 16:26 |
| devkulkarni | I have added several bugs last week. I think some of them are low hanging fruits | 16:26 |
| datsun180b | detect it, scream ERROR, git review | 16:26 |
| devkulkarni | I will mark them as such | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: tx! | 16:27 |
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| adrian_otto | datsun180b: that's actually a Docker problem, I think | 16:27 |
| datsun180b | well we can listen | 16:27 |
| mkam | there are also some usability bugs that could be taken care of | 16:27 |
| datsun180b | worth investigating anyway | 16:27 |
| devkulkarni | I will do that today | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | I have run into that myself, and what I find is that the network bridge that docker brings up is not passing network traffic from the host to the comtainer, or back | 16:27 |
| mkam | like improving error messages | 16:27 |
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| dimtruck | mkam: +1 | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | so any task that tries to use the network fails to resolve names | 16:27 |
| datsun180b | oh cool so there's some notes | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | once docker gets in that state, the container needs to be killed, removed, docker daemon restarted, and container run again | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | it's actually a bug in docker that is solved in about version 1.2 | 16:28 |
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| adrian_otto | so upgrading Docker will cause that symptom to be avoided | 16:28 |
| datsun180b | guess this one was hanging too low then | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | datsun180b: was that the one you wanted to raise for discussion, or did you have another topic to touch on? | 16:30 |
| datsun180b | #link https://github.com/stackforge/solum/blob/master/contrib/devstack/lib/solum#L73 | 16:30 |
| datsun180b | whyfor does demo get to have a service role | 16:30 |
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| devkulkarni | datsun180b: good point. we should remove it. | 16:30 |
| datsun180b | i'm currently working on filtering resources by project and am already working on this and some related troubles | 16:31 |
| devkulkarni | +1 datsun180b | 16:31 |
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| adrian_otto | sounds like this should have a bug filed against it | 16:31 |
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| datsun180b | removing that line on its own means that demo can't create the trust to let solum work on his behalf | 16:31 |
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| datsun180b | filing it now then | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | datsun180b: tx! | 16:32 |
| devkulkarni | datsun180b: so what change is required in addition to make the trust get created properly? | 16:32 |
| devkulkarni | let me rephrase that — | 16:33 |
| datsun180b | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1393853 | 16:33 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1393853 in solum "Demo has the service user role for its own project" [Undecided,New] | 16:33 |
| datsun180b | devkulkarni: still working on that | 16:33 |
| devkulkarni | okay | 16:33 |
| devkulkarni | thanks datsun180b for catching this | 16:33 |
| datsun180b | looks like i'm missing a role either on solum's part or demo (substitute any other non-priv user)'s | 16:33 |
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| james_li | datsun180b: a service role is required for creating a trust, right? | 16:34 |
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| datsun180b | bottom line is demo is not a non-privileged user at present | 16:34 |
| datsun180b | james_li: seems that's the case | 16:34 |
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| adrian_otto | james_li: yes, that's my understanding | 16:34 |
| devkulkarni | james_li: but who needs that trust? is it the service user or the trustor, which in this case will be demo user? | 16:35 |
| devkulkarni | we might have to define additional roles then | 16:35 |
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| devkulkarni | the roles required to create trust should not be same as more powerful admin roles | 16:36 |
| datsun180b | on my env currently i've created a user role, three users, and their separate tenant/projects for testing resource exclusion | 16:36 |
| james_li | devkulkarni: I guess service user needs to load the context for the trustor from the trust created before | 16:36 |
| devkulkarni | james_li: makes sense. but for creation of trust, we are saying that the trustor (user demo) needs to have the same service role as the service user. | 16:37 |
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| devkulkarni | can we add a new role which whose permission will be only to create trusts and no more? | 16:37 |
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| devkulkarni | I guess we will have to dig into this more.. datsun180b you are on it already I suppose? | 16:38 |
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| adrian_otto | sounds like we could use some guidance from the keystone team on this | 16:38 |
| datsun180b | like glue on stamps i am | 16:38 |
| james_li | devkulkarni: that makes sense to me | 16:38 |
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| james_li | devkulkarni: about creating a new role for trusts | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | the idea of making a role to create trusts sounds insecure | 16:39 |
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| datsun180b | especially if we hand it to every user | 16:39 |
| devkulkarni | but giving every user the admin role is equally bad | 16:40 |
| datsun180b | right | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | I think the intent for trusts is to have a service account for each user account to delegate trusts accordingly | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | or per role, that's the part I am not clear about | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | or if that matters for us at all | 16:40 |
| datsun180b | i'm content to keep digging | 16:41 |
| devkulkarni | datsun180b: +1 | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | ok, thanks datsun180b Morgan Fainberg has been a good resource for these matters before | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | and Adam Young was also talking about this when I saw him in Paris | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | he has some really neat integrations with keystone and kerberos that he was showing | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | for effective SSO. The subject of trusts came up when the need for unattended access was mentioned. | 16:43 |
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| adrian_otto | so instead of using a bearer token to authorize and action in an unattended (no suer present) mode, the trust token and service account are used | 16:44 |
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| adrian_otto | anyway, sounds like datsun180b is set for now | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | shall we proceed to Open Discussion? | 16:44 |
| devkulkarni | +1 | 16:44 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Open Discussion | 16:45 |
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| adrian_otto | crickets :-) | 16:45 |
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| adrian_otto | any objections to wrapping up for today? | 16:46 |
| devkulkarni | none | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | ok, let's adjourn | 16:46 |
| devkulkarni | #endmeeting | 16:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 18 16:46:38 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-11-18-16.05.html | 16:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-11-18-16.05.txt | 16:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-11-18-16.05.log.html | 16:46 |
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| adrian_otto | thanks devkulkarni | 16:46 |
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| serg_melikyan | #startmeeting murano | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 18 17:00:36 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is serg_melikyan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:00 |
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| serg_melikyan | #topic agenda | 17:00 |
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| serg_melikyan | 1. Action Items Review | 17:00 |
| serg_melikyan | 2. Review Roadmap for K | 17:01 |
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| katyafervent2 | hi! | 17:01 |
| ruhe | o/ | 17:01 |
| serg_melikyan | 3. Update blueprint for K1 | 17:01 |
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| serg_melikyan | 4. Open Discussion | 17:01 |
| serg_melikyan | #topic Action Items Review | 17:01 |
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| serg_melikyan | Hi guys! | 17:01 |
| serg_melikyan | stan_lagun: you've joined us today? | 17:02 |
| stan_lagun | hi! | 17:02 |
| stan_lagun | serg_melikyan: sure :) | 17:02 |
| janalex | Hi! | 17:02 |
| serg_melikyan | janalex: hi! | 17:02 |
| ogelbukh | o/ | 17:02 |
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| serg_melikyan | Let's start with action items from previous meeting :) | 17:03 |
| ruhe | yes! | 17:03 |
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| serg_melikyan | meeting minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-11-11-17.00.html | 17:03 |
| serg_melikyan | 1. ruhe will create murano-specs | 17:03 |
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| ruhe | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/murano-specs | 17:03 |
| serg_melikyan | thank you! | 17:04 |
| serg_melikyan | Now we able to start working on specifications for K :) | 17:04 |
| ruhe | repo is already there. but it's empty atm. patch with initial project setup is on review: | 17:04 |
| ruhe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134907/ | 17:04 |
| katyafervent2 | and what about the template for specs? | 17:04 |
| ruhe | i've asked stan_lagun to update spec template. i agree with his comment about general versioning impact | 17:04 |
| serg_melikyan | 2. Stan Lagun will take a look at what exactly need to be fixed to resolve " Re-surrect support for configuration changes in deployed environment" | 17:05 |
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| serg_melikyan | stan_lagun: had a chance to take a look? | 17:05 |
| stan_lagun | ruhe: I'm going to update it immediately after this meeting | 17:05 |
| ruhe | katyafervent2: tempalte is here on review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134907/ | 17:05 |
| stan_lagun | serg_melikyan: yes | 17:05 |
| katyafervent2 | ok | 17:06 |
| stan_lagun | Just finished investigation. There are 2 bugs in dashboard that prevent redeployment of failed environments | 17:06 |
| serg_melikyan | links? | 17:06 |
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| stan_lagun | Environments that were deployed successfully can be redeployed | 17:06 |
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| stan_lagun | no tickets yet. Just finished researching | 17:06 |
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| serg_melikyan | Ok, I assume that you will create appropriate tickets for them? | 17:07 |
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| serg_melikyan | #info we have two bugs that prevent proper re-deployment of environments | 17:07 |
| stan_lagun | yes. Maybe they already exist. Probably need to talk to Kate | 17:07 |
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| serg_melikyan | #action stan_lagun will insure that tickets about issues with re-deployment will be created | 17:08 |
| katyafervent2 | stan_lagun, ping me anytime | 17:08 |
| serg_melikyan | 3. stan_lagun, will think about implementation of one-time properties | 17:08 |
| stan_lagun | katyafervent2: thanks! | 17:08 |
| serg_melikyan | I think that we need to create a document with all improvements in our DSL that we need to do in K | 17:09 |
| ruhe | serg_melikyan: create a spec in murano-specs maybe? | 17:09 |
| serg_melikyan | and file appropriate blueprints for each of them | 17:09 |
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| stan_lagun | I have some ideas on how this should be supported on engine's side but I don't see how this can be implemented with current API | 17:10 |
| serg_melikyan | ruhe: I think one spec will be not enough | 17:10 |
| stan_lagun | because with current API dashboard has no access to class metadata | 17:10 |
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| serg_melikyan | Ok, but we plan fix API | 17:12 |
| serg_melikyan | stan_lagun: what do you think about document with list of all changes in dsl? | 17:12 |
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| stan_lagun | I think we need to have BPs+specs for each change | 17:12 |
| serg_melikyan | can you start working on that document? I believe you already have few thoughts about that | 17:12 |
| serg_melikyan | stan_lagun: =1 | 17:12 |
| serg_melikyan | +1 | 17:12 |
| stan_lagun | I'm going to submit many of them during thins week | 17:13 |
| stan_lagun | *this week | 17:13 |
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| stan_lagun | but the problem with one-time properties is not one of them | 17:14 |
| serg_melikyan | stan_lagun: let's anyway create some etherpad with list | 17:14 |
| stan_lagun | because we need to design new API first | 17:14 |
| stan_lagun | sure. I'll summarize them in one place for next meeting | 17:14 |
| serg_melikyan | stan_lagun: why? we can start with specification, and describe what needs to be changes in API | 17:14 |
| stan_lagun | specification is a designed solution. I don't have one at the moment | 17:15 |
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| serg_melikyan | I think there is no reason why we can't create spec for one-time properties before changing API | 17:15 |
| katyafervent2 | we can discuss document creation on irc | 17:15 |
| serg_melikyan | and changes in API maybe part of the spec | 17:15 |
| stan_lagun | Also I'm not sure about exact requirements for new API though I have some requests | 17:16 |
| katyafervent2 | * in | 17:16 |
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| serg_melikyan | specification is completely designed solution only when it's merged + implemented | 17:16 |
| serg_melikyan | we anyway can at least describe what is this about | 17:16 |
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| stan_lagun | I have no solution for one-time properties with current API. And there is no point to design small feature that is dependent on whole new API that is not even discussed yet | 17:17 |
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| serg_melikyan | #action stan_lagun, will create etherpad with list of changes planned in DSL for K | 17:17 |
| stan_lagun | The problem is that i have no solution until we have new API | 17:17 |
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| serg_melikyan | Ok | 17:17 |
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| serg_melikyan | Let's move on :) | 17:18 |
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| serg_melikyan | 4. stan_lagun will move his document about versioning to the spec once repo is created | 17:19 |
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| serg_melikyan | I think we can skip this one - as stan_lagun mentioned before it is not done yet | 17:19 |
| stan_lagun | not done because we haven't merged initial commit for murano-spec | 17:19 |
| serg_melikyan | #action stan_lagun will move his document about versioning to the spec repo | 17:19 |
| serg_melikyan | 5. Serg to send invite to weekly meeting to the Radek and other guys | 17:20 |
| serg_melikyan | I've invited guys from HP and Telefonica to our weekly meetinh | 17:20 |
| serg_melikyan | *meeting | 17:20 |
| _avig_ | we are here :-) | 17:21 |
| Radek_ | hi | 17:21 |
| Pablo_ | Hi, this is Pablo from Telefonica | 17:21 |
| Pablo_ | My colleague Henar couldn't join | 17:21 |
| serg_melikyan | Hi guys :) Nice to see you here :) | 17:21 |
| Pablo_ | but next time she will!! | 17:21 |
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| serg_melikyan | _avig_: sorry about last meeting, I forgot that we had DST changes | 17:21 |
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| serg_melikyan | Pablo_: ok :) | 17:22 |
| serg_melikyan | Let's than move to the next item | 17:22 |
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| serg_melikyan | #topic Review Roadmap for K | 17:23 |
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| serg_melikyan | I've composed Roadmap for K cycle - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Murano/Roadmap | 17:23 |
| serg_melikyan | We can add new items there, though | 17:24 |
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| serg_melikyan | I mean add new items later, when we will have better understanding, or time to implement something that we didn't schedule from the begining | 17:24 |
| serg_melikyan | Any Blueprints that I've missed to add? | 17:25 |
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| janalex | Policy driven fulfillment | 17:25 |
| _avig__ | where is the policy-guided fulfillment item? | 17:26 |
| janalex | HP is working on the spec proposal for that | 17:26 |
| _avig__ | i'm from HP :-) | 17:26 |
| janalex | Should we add it to the list now or after we have a blueprint link? | 17:26 |
| serg_melikyan | janalex: it not there only because we don't have BP for that right now | 17:26 |
| serg_melikyan | We will add that once we will create BP :) | 17:26 |
| _avig__ | i see, i guess we'll discuss it in tomorrow's meeting, right Serg? | 17:26 |
| serg_melikyan | I could'nt figure out how to describe that in BP. | 17:27 |
| serg_melikyan | _avig__: right | 17:27 |
| stan_lagun | I guess it should me several BPs/specs | 17:27 |
| _avig__ | great | 17:27 |
| janalex | ok, let's do an action item to add BP and an item to the roadmap | 17:27 |
| serg_melikyan | and right after that I will update roadmap | 17:27 |
| ruhe | jfyi: this wiki page is not something final. it is updated during the development cycle | 17:27 |
| janalex | sounds good | 17:27 |
| ruhe | it just let's people outside of the project to understand what's going on | 17:27 |
| serg_melikyan | #action Serg, discuss policy guided fulfillment and create all necessary BP | 17:27 |
| ruhe | *lets | 17:28 |
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| serg_melikyan | Ok, anything else missing in Roadmap? | 17:30 |
| stan_lagun | a lot of MuranoPL/engine thing but we will fix it soon :) | 17:30 |
| _avig__ | i see there's an item on the list w/o a blueprint. what does it mean? | 17:30 |
| ruhe | serg_melikyan: i'd suggest to add a link to official OpenStack Kilo release schedule | 17:31 |
| stan_lagun | this is just a bug | 17:31 |
| serg_melikyan | ruhe: thank you, will do | 17:31 |
| ruhe | _avig__: it's a bug. stan_lagun, serg_melikyan can we add a link to that bug? | 17:32 |
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| serg_melikyan | _avig__: there was action item about that item, but Stan didn't yet created necessary tickets/bp | 17:32 |
| stan_lagun | I think we shouldn't mention bugs in roadmap | 17:32 |
| ruhe | we're speaking about "Resurrect support for configuration changes in deployed environment" | 17:32 |
| serg_melikyan | stan_lagun: we didn't know is it only a bug ) | 17:32 |
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| serg_melikyan | You was investigating that - Action Item #3 for today ) | 17:33 |
| stan_lagun | now we know | 17:33 |
| serg_melikyan | _avig__: if it's only a bug we will remove that - features == blueprints | 17:33 |
| serg_melikyan | added policy guided fulfillment there too, | 17:34 |
| serg_melikyan | #action Serg, fill all missing BP in Roadmap | 17:35 |
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| serg_melikyan | #topic Update blueprint for K1 | 17:35 |
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| serg_melikyan | I've assigned part of the blueprints for K1, mostly ones that are already near completion: https://launchpad.net/murano/+milestone/kilo-1 | 17:36 |
| serg_melikyan | Deadline for K1 is December 18, exactly one month from now | 17:36 |
| ruhe | serg_melikyan: i have a question. should we expect all the blueprints scheduled for Kilo-1 (https://launchpad.net/murano/+milestone/kilo-1) to have a spec? | 17:36 |
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| stan_lagun | ruhe: I suggest to have specs only for big BPs + write them on request. But not to have this as a mandatory rule | 17:37 |
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| serg_melikyan | ruhe: I hope so, but I think since we only started with spec-repo part of specs may be in progress | 17:38 |
| serg_melikyan | stan_lagun: disagree | 17:38 |
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| stan_lagun | It is difficult to write spec for each and every tiny feature | 17:38 |
| serg_melikyan | stan_lagun: tiny feature - tiny spec | 17:39 |
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| stan_lagun | I don't want to have such high bar for newbies | 17:39 |
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| serg_melikyan | stan_lagun: that's why I say that we may not have all BP merged at the end of K1 | 17:39 |
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| serg_melikyan | we will help with spec creation | 17:39 |
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| stan_lagun | seems like too much bureaucracy for me. I like the idea of specs but don't like being to formal with that | 17:41 |
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| serg_melikyan | I think we have pretty tentative development schedule for https://launchpad.net/murano/+milestone/kilo-1 already and we don't want any other BPs | 17:42 |
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| stan_lagun | if you get 100 formally written specs for each little improvement in UI it would be hard to find important ones | 17:42 |
| serg_melikyan | It gives us much more time to design features like policy guided fullfillment and support for puppet and chef | 17:43 |
| serg_melikyan | Or new API | 17:43 |
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| ruhe | i suggest to move discussion about scope of specs outside this meeting | 17:43 |
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| serg_melikyan | ruhe: +1 | 17:43 |
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| ruhe | but sure, we as a team need to agree on this item | 17:44 |
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| serg_melikyan | Guys, you agree that we don't need to include other blueprints to K1 | 17:46 |
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| stan_lagun | does this implies that all MuranoPL BPs will go to K2? | 17:46 |
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| ruhe | i'd say that some UI-related work could be done in kilo-1 if there is anyone willing to do that work :) | 17:47 |
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| serg_melikyan | stan_lagun: it depends - I would prefer to spend time on designing heavy features during k1 | 17:48 |
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| serg_melikyan | ruhe: yes ) Unfortunatelly Brian not with us today, I will ping him on this week about UI part | 17:49 |
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| stan_lagun | agree. But lets not move all of them to the end of the cycle | 17:49 |
| ruhe | also we need to reserve some time for code-freeze and testing of milestone release | 17:49 |
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| stan_lagun | serg_melikyan: I haven't seen TOSCA in K roadmap but it is in K1 | 17:50 |
| serg_melikyan | stan_lagun: it is in Roadmap | 17:50 |
| ruhe | stan_lagun: look closer ;) | 17:50 |
| stan_lagun | sorry. Missed it | 17:50 |
| serg_melikyan | But as we discussed we are talking about most basic integration that relies on Heat + heat-translator | 17:51 |
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| stan_lagun | propper implementation of pluggable translators need some packages API refactoring. I'm not sure how big it is going to be | 17:52 |
| stan_lagun | just be aware | 17:52 |
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| serg_melikyan | ruhe: agree about code-freeze, let's do as always - one week for CF | 17:53 |
| serg_melikyan | I think we already moved to the latest part of our meeting | 17:53 |
| serg_melikyan | #topic Open Discussion | 17:53 |
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| serg_melikyan | stan_lagun: you have in mind some nice wrapping around that? | 17:54 |
| stan_lagun | serg_melikyan: around what? | 17:54 |
| stan_lagun | plugins? | 17:55 |
| ruhe | just an update about failing CI jobs. fix for failing gate-murano-devstack-dsvm jobs should be resolved with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134901/ . it should be merged in a few minutes | 17:55 |
| ruhe | murano-ci jobs "gate-murano-integration" are in a good shape at this moment. leave a comment in gerrit "retrigger murano-ci" if you have failing murano-ci tests | 17:56 |
| stan_lagun | There was problem with HOT support: MuranoPL class was generated on the fly but UI form was generated at package upload and I couldn't find an easy way to do otherwise | 17:57 |
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| serg_melikyan | ruhe: thanks | 17:59 |
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| serg_melikyan | stan_lagun: ok, let's discuss that later, I don't think we need full fledged plugins but something we definitely need | 18:00 |
| serg_melikyan | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 18 18:00:11 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-11-18-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-11-18-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-11-18-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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| ruhe | bye bye | 18:00 |
| Pablo_ | bye | 18:00 |
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| serg_melikyan | _avig__, janalex, let's discuss time for tomorrow meeting via e-mail :) | 18:01 |
| janalex | sounds good | 18:01 |
| ruhe | and at #murano | 18:01 |
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| janalex | Right now it's scheduled at 9am PST I believe | 18:01 |
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| lifeless | hmm, wasn't tripleo meeting on now? | 18:29 |
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| tchaypo | Tripleo? | 19:01 |
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| tchaypo | Spamaps? | 19:01 |
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| SpamapS | o/ | 19:02 |
| SpamapS | #startmeeting tripleo | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 18 19:02:42 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SpamapS. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 19:02 |
| SpamapS | #topic agenda | 19:03 |
| SpamapS | * bugs | 19:03 |
| SpamapS | * reviews | 19:03 |
| SpamapS | * Projects needing releases | 19:03 |
| SpamapS | * CD Cloud status | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:03 | |
| SpamapS | * CI | 19:03 |
| SpamapS | * Tuskar | 19:03 |
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| SpamapS | * Specs | 19:03 |
| SpamapS | * open discussion | 19:03 |
| SpamapS | Remember that anyone can use the link and info commands, not just the moderator - if you have something worth noting in the meeting minutes feel free to tag it | 19:03 |
| SpamapS | #topic bugs | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:03 | |
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| SpamapS | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 19:04 |
| SpamapS | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/ | 19:04 |
| SpamapS | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-refresh-config | 19:04 |
| SpamapS | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config | 19:04 |
| SpamapS | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config | 19:04 |
| SpamapS | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-cloud-config | 19:04 |
| SpamapS | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar | 19:04 |
| SpamapS | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tuskarclient | 19:04 |
| SpamapS | I think we should also add os-net-config | 19:04 |
| SpamapS | dprince: thoughts? | 19:04 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 19:04 |
| dprince | SpamapS: yes, lets do | 19:05 |
| tchaypo | No progress on my critical | 19:05 |
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| dprince | SpamapS: I already created the project, etc. So just the link should be good I think. May be missing some infra magic/integration though | 19:05 |
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| SpamapS | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-net-config | 19:06 |
| SpamapS | added to the wiki | 19:06 |
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| SpamapS | dprince: can you take on adding it to the infra magic machine? | 19:06 |
| dprince | SpamapS: ack, will do | 19:06 |
| SpamapS | #info dprince will make sure os-net-config has infra-mojo | 19:07 |
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| SpamapS | 5 critical bugs | 19:08 |
| SpamapS | we forgot to talk about UID stability in Paris (DOH!) | 19:08 |
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| SpamapS | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1385346 | 19:08 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1385346 in tripleo "upstart service unreliable after introducion of pipe to logger" [Critical,Fix committed] | 19:08 |
| SpamapS | I ran into the expect-fork brokenness for that one last night | 19:09 |
| marios_ | SpamapS: at least one more of those 5 is fix committed though | 19:09 |
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| SpamapS | It struck me that we shouldn't be using logger to syslog things. | 19:09 |
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| SpamapS | Each of these projects has logging configurations that can just call syslog directly for logging. | 19:10 |
| SpamapS | marios_: agreed | 19:11 |
| SpamapS | ok seems like there's nobody here | 19:11 |
| tchaypo | Four weeks running with no/minimal attendance | 19:11 |
| tchaypo | Last week all we did was look for 5 old reviews to pursue | 19:12 |
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| SpamapS | summit gets brutal | 19:12 |
| SpamapS | and then we'll have US Thanksgiving next week | 19:12 |
| SpamapS | Anyway, I don't see any other bugs that we really need to discuss, so we'll move on. | 19:12 |
| SpamapS | #topic reviews | 19:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reviews (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:13 | |
| SpamapS | #info There's a new dashboard linked from https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TripleO#Review_team - look for "TripleO Inbox Dashboard" | 19:13 |
| SpamapS | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-openreviews.html | 19:13 |
| SpamapS | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-30.txt | 19:13 |
| SpamapS | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-90.txt | 19:13 |
| dprince | SpamapS: one more bug I'd mention is https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1392732 | 19:14 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1392732 in tripleo "locally cached images no longer work w/ devtest" [Critical,In progress] | 19:14 |
| SpamapS | If we give everybody 10 days of summit-lag, so 30 reviews of adjustment, we're still a bit behind on the 3-per-day rate | 19:14 |
| tchaypo | Down to just one review with >60 reviews on 30 day stats, where | 19:15 |
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| dprince | SpamapS: without that fixed my devtest has been horribly broken. Honestly, I kind of dislike acquire-images entirely | 19:15 |
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| * dprince doesn't see why downloading cached images ahead of time wasn't sufficient. | 19:15 | |
| SpamapS | dprince: I agree and I don't know why we have acquire-images but I hadn't looked deep into it. | 19:16 |
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| dprince | I feel like we are going the wrong direction with devtest_* scripts in this regard... making things more complex and adding extra args to the devtest_ scripts themselves | 19:16 |
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| dprince | In other words while I have proposed a fix... I kind of think we might should just revert it entirely | 19:16 |
| dprince | SpamapS: anyways, maybe I'll post a review and we can discuss there. Carry on with the reviews... | 19:17 |
| GheRivero | +1 to revert it. It needs some polish | 19:17 |
| dprince | GheRivero: ack, thanks | 19:18 |
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| SpamapS | dprince: sounds good, and I do think that we maybe need to have a discussion about it. | 19:18 |
| SpamapS | Anyway, while our reviewers have not been as busy, I think we're keeping our heads above water at least. | 19:19 |
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| SpamapS | We do need to keep working on those older reviews. | 19:20 |
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| marios_ | SpamapS: we called out some last week and assigned them | 19:20 |
| SpamapS | awesome | 19:20 |
| SpamapS | I would like to move on though. | 19:21 |
| marios_ | sure | 19:21 |
| SpamapS | #topic Projects needing releases | 19:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Projects needing releases (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:21 | |
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| SpamapS | We've been landing stuff, so seems like releases would be good. | 19:21 |
| marios_ | i havent done this for a while | 19:21 |
| marios_ | unless someone new would like to | 19:22 |
| SpamapS | I was supposed to add greghaynes to the team that is allowed to | 19:22 |
| marios_ | in which case i can volunteer to help them | 19:22 |
| SpamapS | but he's not here to say yes ;) | 19:22 |
| marios_ | SpamapS: i can ping him tomorrow my am | 19:22 |
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| greghaynes | O/ | 19:23 |
| SpamapS | greghaynes: want to do releases? | 19:23 |
| greghaynes | Yep! | 19:23 |
| marios_ | cool | 19:23 |
| SpamapS | marios_: want to show him how? | 19:23 |
| greghaynes | also, apparently my calendar time is wrong | 19:23 |
| greghaynes | SpamapS: done it before :) | 19:23 |
| SpamapS | greghaynes: DST ;) | 19:23 |
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| SpamapS | greghaynes: ooohh ok then boom | 19:23 |
| SpamapS | #info greghaynes to do releases | 19:24 |
| marios_ | greghaynes: wiki pretty good but feel free to ping me | 19:24 |
| marios_ | SpamapS: sure | 19:24 |
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| SpamapS | #topic CD Cloud status | 19:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CD Cloud status (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:24 | |
| SpamapS | So I take this section to mean the various CI regions. | 19:24 |
| SpamapS | but we don't CD them, so.. :-P | 19:24 |
| SpamapS | tchaypo: anyway, HP2? | 19:24 |
| SpamapS | he may have gone to dinner | 19:25 |
| tchaypo | Sigh | 19:25 |
| tchaypo | I broke the undercloud. Getting it going again. Would like to talk to you later | 19:25 |
| SpamapS | Please do | 19:25 |
| tchaypo | Right now the undercloud nodes can't get heat metadata | 19:26 |
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| SpamapS | tchaypo: ok, you're still in UTC+1 right? | 19:26 |
| tchaypo | Yes | 19:26 |
| SpamapS | tchaypo: ping me when you want to chat, don't want to keep you from dinner. :) | 19:26 |
| SpamapS | Any other thoughts? | 19:26 |
| tchaypo | Ok | 19:27 |
| SpamapS | #topic CI | 19:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:27 | |
| SpamapS | #link http://goodsquishy.com/downloads/s_tripleo-jobs.html | 19:27 |
| greghaynes | We were having an intermittent fail where nodes would go into deleting state... did that get fixed? | 19:28 |
| greghaynes | Seems a lot more green | 19:28 |
| SpamapS | Yeah I've been seeing passes. | 19:28 |
| SpamapS | I would like to discuss the possibility of discussing testing the various update methods. | 19:29 |
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| greghaynes | meta | 19:29 |
| SpamapS | I'm aware of three: 1) Try to get Heat to do rolling rebuilds (non-functional AFAIK) 2) tripleo-ansible, used by Helion product, doesn't work upstream, and 3) Update using package repos -- don't know where that lives. | 19:30 |
| SpamapS | I feel like we need to test _at least_ updating from master to the tested commit. | 19:30 |
| SpamapS | And we should also consider testing updating from stable to the tested commit once that works. | 19:31 |
| SpamapS | Thoughts? | 19:31 |
| slagle | if we add ci jobs that use the delorean packages, we could test some package updates | 19:31 |
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| SpamapS | +1 | 19:31 |
| TheJulia | Fundimentally it is a workflow, so the ansible code (of course I'm biased) seems like the simplest path to integrate | 19:31 |
| greghaynes | well, do we have any update system that actually works upstream? | 19:31 |
| greghaynes | seems like a prereq to testing an update system | 19:31 |
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| SpamapS | greghaynes: tripleo-ansible should be straight forward to fix for upstream. | 19:32 |
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| dprince | Yes, I'm using delorean locally so I'd love to have it in CI... and it is an upgrade option too | 19:32 |
| slagle | greghaynes: the package updates work upstream | 19:32 |
| * dprince has some local patches to help use Delorean repos... | 19:32 | |
| greghaynes | ok, sweet, so theres two things to test :) | 19:32 |
| slagle | it isn't really a "thing" | 19:32 |
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| slagle | you just run "yum update" :) | 19:32 |
| TheJulia | SpamapS: we almost have it ready to rock and roll for upstream, maybe a few days tops | 19:32 |
| SpamapS | slagle: they're not upstream in that they're not part of upstream's CI yet though. | 19:32 |
| greghaynes | Another question is where should those live? | 19:33 |
| SpamapS | ok so do we have capacity to run 2 more jobs per change? | 19:33 |
| greghaynes | yea, that :) | 19:33 |
| slagle | SpamapS: right, so yea, in general i agree, we should test upstream what the downstreams are doing | 19:33 |
| SpamapS | One for delorean package updates, and one for tripleo-ansible? | 19:33 |
| slagle | if those are the solutions that we're finding will work for us, we should represent that upstream | 19:33 |
| greghaynes | derekh is usually the source of truth on our capacity... | 19:34 |
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| SpamapS | I feel like we shouldn't add tests until we have HP2 up | 19:34 |
| dprince | greghaynes: if capacity is an issue we could combine it with one of the existing jobs too | 19:34 |
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| SpamapS | dprince: the problem with combining is that we need to do an install with _master_ not the tested change. | 19:34 |
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| SpamapS | But, we could definitely re-use master's images | 19:35 |
| SpamapS | so that might be a fairly quick process. | 19:35 |
| greghaynes | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LuK4FaG4TJFRwho7bcq6CcgY_7oaGnF-0E6kcK4QoQc/edit?usp=sharing is the list of CI jobs we made at the last mid cycle | 19:35 |
| SpamapS | (that is, if we published master images) :) | 19:35 |
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| SpamapS | anyway, that is spec-worthy | 19:37 |
| greghaynes | looks like a couple of the jobs are already marked 'update', IIRC this was the plan for those | 19:37 |
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| SpamapS | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LuK4FaG4TJFRwho7bcq6CcgY_7oaGnF-0E6kcK4QoQc/edit?usp=sharing | 19:37 |
| dprince | As a first step even getting these new CI tests into tripleo-experimental might be a good check too | 19:37 |
| SpamapS | dprince: true, that helps work out the kinks | 19:37 |
| SpamapS | moving on? | 19:38 |
| dprince | yes | 19:38 |
| SpamapS | #topic Tuskar | 19:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tuskar (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:38 | |
| SpamapS | anybody here? | 19:38 |
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| SpamapS | maybe we can skip and come back if they o/ | 19:38 |
| SpamapS | #topic Specs | 19:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:39 | |
| slagle | i'm sitting in a meeting with jdob :) | 19:39 |
| slagle | he says there's nothing | 19:39 |
| SpamapS | slagle: excellent thanks | 19:39 |
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| SpamapS | I think tripleo-review-standards is ready for publish | 19:40 |
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| slagle | should we move all specs under juno/ that didn't actually make juno to a kilo/ dir? | 19:41 |
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| greghaynes | hrm | 19:41 |
| SpamapS | slagle: that's an interesting question. Certainly we shouldn't approve anything still targetted at juno. :) | 19:41 |
| SpamapS | But if they missed implementation, no I think we leave them there. | 19:41 |
| SpamapS | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97939/ , remove-mergepy, seems like one where some of it did happen, and some didn't, despite the fact it wasn't actually approved and published. | 19:42 |
| SpamapS | So for that, I think we just approve it where it is, and track whats left as a kilo BP | 19:42 |
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| slagle | my configurable /mnt/state one got approved recently, but it was under juno/ | 19:43 |
| slagle | so maybe we just move that one to under kilo? | 19:43 |
| SpamapS | slagle: yeah c'est la vie. Maybe we can put up a patch to rename? | 19:43 |
| slagle | k :) | 19:43 |
| SpamapS | also if I understand right, once a spec is approved, we need to create a BP yes? | 19:43 |
| SpamapS | do we need a BP for tripleo-review-standards ? | 19:43 |
| SpamapS | I don't think we do. | 19:44 |
| SpamapS | As the spec itself is the documentation. | 19:44 |
| slagle | i think it said in the spec, that there wouldn't be a bp | 19:44 |
| SpamapS | right it does | 19:44 |
| SpamapS | +A'd | 19:45 |
| SpamapS | With that I think we can move on. | 19:45 |
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| SpamapS | #topic open discussion | 19:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:46 | |
| slagle | are there any more solid plans for a midcycle? | 19:46 |
| SpamapS | Ah yes | 19:47 |
| slagle | for budget planning questions, we are getting asked if there is a plan, etc. | 19:47 |
| SpamapS | so we're waiting for a go-ahead from our office management. | 19:47 |
| SpamapS | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-kilo-midcycle-meetup | 19:47 |
| SpamapS | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-kilo-midcycle-meetup | 19:47 |
| SpamapS | wait doh | 19:48 |
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| SpamapS | that must not be the one | 19:48 |
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| greghaynes | hrm? It is I think | 19:48 |
| slagle | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-tripleo-midcycle-meetup | 19:48 |
| slagle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-tripleo-midcycle-meetup | 19:48 |
| greghaynes | oh, right | 19:48 |
| SpamapS | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-tripleo-midcycle-meetup | 19:48 |
| SpamapS | lag fail | 19:49 |
| greghaynes | haha | 19:51 |
| SpamapS | greghaynes: you sent out the original email, can you follow up on that same thread? | 19:51 |
| greghaynes | Yep | 19:51 |
| SpamapS | cool, I'll ping Omri | 19:51 |
| SpamapS | slagle: we've had no other venue offers or suggestions, so Seattle seems most likely. | 19:52 |
| SpamapS | Also I want to make something clear about the mid-cycle, from my perspective: | 19:52 |
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| SpamapS | They are optional opportunities to get together and hash out the problems and immediate plans for completing the kilo work. | 19:52 |
| SpamapS | Nobody should feel like they _must_ be there. | 19:52 |
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| SpamapS | I think it's worth the time away from family, but I just want to make it clear: we need you happy and working hard all the days more than we need you at the mid-cycle days. :) | 19:54 |
| SpamapS | anyway, that is all.. if nobody else has anything, I think we can adjourn. | 19:55 |
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| marios_ | night night tripleo | 19:56 |
| SpamapS | alrighty then | 19:56 |
| tchaypo | Bye | 19:56 |
| SpamapS | #endmeeting | 19:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 18 19:56:12 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-11-18-19.02.html | 19:56 |
| tchaypo | Just as dinner finishes | 19:56 |
| SpamapS | thanks everybody! | 19:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-11-18-19.02.txt | 19:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-11-18-19.02.log.html | 19:56 |
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| dguryanov|3 | Hello! | 22:06 |
| Yuanying_ | hi | 22:06 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting containers | 22:08 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 18 22:08:25 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:08 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: containers)" | 22:08 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 22:08 |
| adrian_otto | (fetching link to agenda) | 22:08 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers Our Agenda | 22:09 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 22:09 |
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| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 22:09 |
| sdake | hey folks \o/ | 22:09 |
| jlb13 | Jesse Butler | 22:09 |
| sdake | daneyon meeting got kicked off now | 22:09 |
| dguryanov|3 | Dmitry Guryanov | 22:09 |
| Yuanying_ | Yuanying Otsuka | 22:10 |
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| dims | o/ | 22:10 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 22:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: containers)" | 22:11 | |
| adrian_otto | none prepared. Announcements from team members? | 22:11 |
| sdake | hmm | 22:11 |
| sdake | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135436/ | 22:11 |
| sdake | magnum client import | 22:11 |
| adrian_otto | oh, sweet | 22:11 |
| sdake | does nothing, but need to start somewhere :) | 22:12 |
| adrian_otto | +1 | 22:12 |
| adrian_otto | any other announcements? | 22:12 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 22:13 |
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| adrian_otto | ACTION: adrian_otto to attempt to identify Linux kernel patches that could enable use of nested containers in non-privileged mode (http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-11-11-16.00.log.html#l-40, 16:10:57) | 22:13 |
| adrian_otto | incomplete, carrying forward | 22:13 |
| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to attempt to identify Linux kernel patches that could enable use of nested containers in non-privileged mode (http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-11-11-16.00.log.html#l-40, 16:10:57) | 22:13 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Discuss initial core reviewers for https://github.com/stackforge/magnum | 22:14 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, so now that we have a repo, it's time to form a group of reviewers to care and feed it | 22:14 |
| adrian_otto | currently I'm the only core reviewer in the group, and I'd like to arrange a consensus among team members about who should be in the initial group | 22:15 |
| daneyon | +1 sdake | 22:15 |
| adrian_otto | since we are starting from a blank slate, we'll need to be willing to adapt this | 22:15 |
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| adrian_otto | but initially we are looking for contributors who are willing to allocate at least a few hours a day for a while (perhaps 2 months?) to review, and submit patches | 22:15 |
| adrian_otto | is that a fair bar to set? | 22:16 |
| sdake | yup I think that is a fair requirement | 22:16 |
| achanda_ | sounds good | 22:16 |
| daneyon | fair | 22:16 |
| adrian_otto | we can continually review the group membership and adjust it | 22:16 |
| sdake | so we should probably see who is actually interested :) | 22:16 |
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| adrian_otto | achanda_: what's your LP username? | 22:17 |
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| achanda_ | adrian_otto: abhishek-i | 22:17 |
| jlb13 | for posterity's sake, i would like to say that i'm absolutely willing to help... but i'm a total noob with all of this. so i'm hoping to learn from you all before i volunteer for critical path jobs. | 22:17 |
| sdake | cool so that looks like a solid core team to me :) | 22:18 |
| adrian_otto | jlb13: so in that case. I ask that you set up the review queue to email you | 22:18 |
| adrian_otto | review the code, and cote on patches with +1 and -1 | 22:18 |
| jlb13 | ok, cool | 22:18 |
| daneyon | I'm in the same boat as jlb13 | 22:18 |
| adrian_otto | once you feel confident, then we can take it from there | 22:18 |
| achanda_ | me too | 22:19 |
| dguryanov|3 | Could you, please. setup review queu for me too | 22:19 |
| sdake | dguryanov|3 you hae to do that for yourself | 22:19 |
| adrian_otto | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+magnum,n,z | 22:19 |
| sdake | its part of the gerrit interface | 22:19 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+magnum,n,z | 22:19 |
| sdake | "watched projects" | 22:19 |
| dguryanov|3 | OK, thanks! | 22:19 |
| adrian_otto | right, so set up magnum as a watched project | 22:19 |
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| adrian_otto | and bookmark the link above for easy access | 22:19 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so let's seek an #agreed on the initial list | 22:20 |
| daneyon | i'm watching magnum | 22:20 |
| adrian_otto | Proposed abhishek-i, sdake, adrian_otto | 22:21 |
| adrian_otto | did I miss any? | 22:21 |
| sdake | dims | 22:21 |
| adrian_otto | Proposed abhishek-i, sdake, adrian_otto, dims | 22:21 |
| dims | thanks sdake :) | 22:21 |
| * sdake watching out for you dims :) | 22:21 | |
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| adrian_otto | and we have jlb13 and daneyon and dguryanov doing reviews with +1/0/-1 participation | 22:22 |
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| adrian_otto | PR's accepted from everyone | 22:22 |
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| adrian_otto | some of our contributors are not here today, so I'm willing to revisit this list as often as we want | 22:23 |
| adrian_otto | to vote a reviewer in or out of the core group, we will simply email the ML with the subject tag [magnum] and ask for the current cores to vote | 22:23 |
| sdake | wfm more core = faster dev | 22:23 |
| adrian_otto | simple majority prevails | 22:23 |
| adrian_otto | I will do my best to make sure we get throughput with enough of us with +2 power | 22:23 |
| adrian_otto | #agreed initial core group will be abhishek-i, sdake, adrian_otto, dims | 22:24 |
| sdake | just to be clear adrian_otto, many projects have a -1 = veto on core review vote | 22:24 |
| sdake | is that in effect or not in effect (I dont care) | 22:24 |
| sdake | just dont want people surprised later :) | 22:24 |
| adrian_otto | good question.. here is how I want to deal with it… | 22:24 |
| adrian_otto | if there is a core who votes -1, and others who vote +2, then I'd like to signal a conversation in IRC or ML to discuss the point of dispute | 22:25 |
| adrian_otto | so if you -1 be ready to compromise | 22:25 |
| sdake | i have seen ithappen before and it was unpleasant :) | 22:26 |
| sdake | anyway off to more pleasant topics :) | 22:26 |
| adrian_otto | discussions, or lack of? | 22:26 |
| sdake | discussion after a -1 in public | 22:26 |
| sdake | got ugly | 22:26 |
| adrian_otto | this early in the project I think we should have a relatively low bar | 22:26 |
| adrian_otto | as long as there are unit tests, and func tests | 22:27 |
| adrian_otto | let's not get too pedantic about stuff | 22:27 |
| sdake | ya who cares imo :) | 22:27 |
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| adrian_otto | once we have something that works end-to-end we can get more opinionated | 22:27 |
| Slower | doh, sorry, thought it was an hour later my time | 22:28 |
| adrian_otto | Slower: np | 22:28 |
| * Slower is also interested in group membership | 22:28 | |
| adrian_otto | ok, I will revise the #agreed if there are no objections | 22:28 |
| sdake | agree | 22:28 |
| adrian_otto | pausing a moment for anyone else | 22:29 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, you're in. | 22:29 |
| adrian_otto | irc://irc.freenode.net:6667/#agreed initial core group will be abhishek-i, sdake, adrian_otto, dims | 22:29 |
| dims | +1 | 22:29 |
| adrian_otto | ack | 22:29 |
| adrian_otto | #agreed initial core group will be abhishek-i, sdake, adrian_otto, dims, Slower | 22:29 |
| adrian_otto | that's better | 22:29 |
| dguryanov|3 | Maybe include me to, as former OpenVZ developer :) | 22:29 |
| Slower | agreed | 22:29 |
| Yuanying_ | agreed | 22:29 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so the primary goal is to get a POC quality prototype working | 22:30 |
| adrian_otto | and iterate on it | 22:30 |
| Slower | more the merrier really | 22:30 |
| adrian_otto | +dguryanov | 22:30 |
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| adrian_otto | if you want to use -2 power, be committed to addressing the point of dispute with the committer of the patch | 22:31 |
| adrian_otto | don't just block and walk | 22:31 |
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| dguryanov|3 | OK, of course, I understand it | 22:31 |
| sdake | ya -2 is a permanent veto, so be nice about those :) | 22:31 |
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| dguryanov|3 | I like fast development process very much too :) | 22:32 |
| adrian_otto | dguryanov|3: what is your LP username? | 22:32 |
| Slower | especially for a PoC | 22:32 |
| dguryanov|3 | dguryanov | 22:32 |
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| sdake | one other thing, remember takes two +2's to have a +A | 22:33 |
| sdake | for t hose folks new to review process | 22:33 |
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| adrian_otto | #agreed dguryanov, abhishek-i, sdake, aotto, dims, Slower | 22:33 |
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| achanda_ | #agreed | 22:34 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so let's advance to the next. | 22:34 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 22:36 |
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| sdake | about the rest api | 22:36 |
| sdake | I extracted this from Eric's work | 22:36 |
| sdake | https://github.com/sdake/python-magnumclient/blob/master/magnumclient/magnum.py#L17 | 22:36 |
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| sdake | is this what we are tryhing to achieve with the magnum service | 22:36 |
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| adrian_otto | sdake: yes, that looks about right | 22:38 |
| sdake | being a bit new to the project :) I'm not sure if there is somethign else planned | 22:38 |
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| sdake | so next q, natively, or as a wrapper over docker + k8s? | 22:38 |
| adrian_otto | "attach" is missing | 22:38 |
| sdake | or both? | 22:38 |
| sdake | ya that was in the review as impossible to implemenet iiric :) | 22:38 |
| Slower | clearly there is more to define eg networking etc | 22:38 |
| sdake | slower a pod defines the network | 22:38 |
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| daneyon | maybe I need to do more homework, but would container create be similar to a docker build? | 22:39 |
| adrian_otto | it's not impossible, just not part of an async API | 22:39 |
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| Slower | sdake: our plan was to build it on top of docker | 22:39 |
| sdake | so native then | 22:39 |
| sdake | eg, reimplement pods? | 22:39 |
| Slower | well I think that is a good question | 22:39 |
| adrian_otto | native is my preference | 22:39 |
| Slower | we should entertain the idea of doing it on top of k8s | 22:39 |
| sdake | if we do native that wfm, but we shoudl consider abstraction to run with k8s as well imo | 22:40 |
| Slower | agreed | 22:40 |
| adrian_otto | k8s+swarmd -> magnum -> nova | 22:40 |
| sdake | daneyon do you have any idea how to implement the networking natively that pods do? | 22:40 |
| adrian_otto | that should work | 22:40 |
| Slower | do pods offer everything we need for networking? Or do we want to define eg open ports to containers etc.. maybe a qeustion for later | 22:40 |
| sdake | slower we are missing a "services" object | 22:40 |
| daneyon | sdake: i can dig in and let you know. | 22:41 |
| sdake | if we want a true abstraction over k8s and docker | 22:41 |
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| Slower | well that seems reasonable then | 22:41 |
| Slower | I need to look at k8s more | 22:41 |
| sdake | eveyrone should have a look if we are implementing pods in the project | 22:41 |
| adrian_otto | I wish erw was here | 22:41 |
| erw | pong | 22:42 |
| adrian_otto | the source code for fig was offered | 22:42 |
| Slower | aha!! | 22:42 |
| adrian_otto | erw can you elaborate? | 22:42 |
| erw | adrian_otto: for Orchardup, specifically | 22:42 |
| adrian_otto | right | 22:42 |
| * erw will read through the meeting notes later btw | 22:43 | |
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| erw | adrian_otto: to be honest, the more I see Magnum progressing, I wonder if the orchard stuff is worthwhile. | 22:43 |
| sdake | link to orchard? | 22:43 |
| erw | yes, it exists and it does much of the same things... | 22:43 |
| daneyon | I would say k8s pods + the kolla networking bits should be enough to get us going from a networking standpoint. | 22:43 |
| erw | https://www.orchardup.com/ | 22:43 |
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| adrian_otto | a python project | 22:43 |
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| adrian_otto | might help, not sure | 22:43 |
| sdake | daneyon I think the idea is to make a native implementation though | 22:44 |
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| sdake | eg, no dependency on k8s | 22:44 |
| sdake | eg/ie rather ;) | 22:44 |
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| daneyon | sdake: i see. I need to dig into the k8s networking code and I'll circle back around. | 22:44 |
| sdake | erw in this api, bay create, how is that intended to operate? | 22:45 |
| erw | sdake: bay create creates an instance in nova | 22:45 |
| sdake | does that create physical hardware? | 22:45 |
| sdake | what about r unning on bare metal? | 22:45 |
| erw | sdake: possibly creating a pod (which may possibly create a container) | 22:45 |
| erw | sdake: instances in nova may be baremetal (Ironic) or near-metal (nova-docker / lxd / etc) | 22:45 |
| sdake | so bay create is an abstraction over all those various types of end platformzsx | 22:46 |
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| Slower | yeah | 22:47 |
| erw | sdake: bay create is specifically for creating the undercloud. | 22:47 |
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| sdake | so you can identify which pods end up on which hardware? | 22:48 |
| adrian_otto | yes | 22:48 |
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| erw | sdake: the question comes down to does bay-create allow creating pods and containers…. or does container-create possibly create a pod and bay? Possibly the latter. | 22:48 |
| sdake | and if you dont care which hardware, what is the api call? just pod creat e? | 22:48 |
| Slower | the scheduling of all this for scalability will be interesting.. | 22:48 |
| adrian_otto | first implementation can just take a bay id | 22:48 |
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| Slower | I suspect ultimately we will just ask for a pod, and the scheduling will deal with bays | 22:49 |
| adrian_otto | container-create uses a bay if one is specified, otherwise tries to fit in existing ones, or auto-create | 22:49 |
| erw | adrian_otto: rather it would use a pod if specified, otherwise it creates a pod. A pod, if a bay is not specified, creates a bay | 22:49 |
| erw | right? | 22:50 |
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| adrian_otto | erw: yes | 22:50 |
| Slower | erw: that makes sense to me.. | 22:50 |
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| sdake | interesting approach | 22:50 |
| sdake | i like it | 22:50 |
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| sdake | does something nobody else does, and will make kolla work \!o!/ | 22:50 |
| adrian_otto | my only twist on that... | 22:50 |
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| adrian_otto | is that if you don't specify a bay, and a bay already exists with capacity, allow that slack capacity to be used rather than creating new | 22:51 |
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| erw | sdake: you’re looking at nova+ironic+magnum as an undercloud for kolla? | 22:51 |
| Slower | adrian_otto: +1, I think that's the scheduler role.. | 22:51 |
| sdake | erw magnum i think | 22:51 |
| erw | adrian_otto: I think that’s something that needs to be tunable, but yes. | 22:51 |
| sdake | not sure what else ;) | 22:51 |
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| adrian_otto | erw, Slower +1 | 22:51 |
| sdake | re deployment and bays | 22:52 |
| sdake | is there goign to be an agent for bare metal? | 22:52 |
| sdake | or just ironic? | 22:52 |
| adrian_otto | is container-stop == "docker kill" ? | 22:52 |
| erw | adrian_otto: actually, the reason for pods and bays being split was so more than one pod could exist on a bay | 22:52 |
| Slower | I think nova-docker will be go-to for bare metal basically | 22:52 |
| sdake | nova-docker is single node slower? | 22:53 |
| Slower | container in container is still bare metal, I don't think there are any performance issues there? | 22:53 |
| sdake | slower pods are painfully diffidcult to implement in the networking model I suspect | 22:53 |
| dims | sdake: nova-docker talks to one docker daemon, yes | 22:53 |
| erw | adrian_otto: probably ‘docker stop’ which tries to stop kindly (versus ‘kill’ which is SIGKILL) | 22:53 |
| sdake | is nova-docker nova + docker backend? | 22:53 |
| erw | i.e. SIGTERM vs SIGKILL | 22:53 |
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| Slower | sdake: I guess that depends.. mmm, I think subcontainers would have their own network namespace with their own virtual interfaces.. are they bridged to teh host directly? I don't know that.. | 22:54 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so here is what I think we should set as GOAL-1: container-create, container-stop, container-delete | 22:54 |
| dims | sdake: nova-docker is a Nova virt driver that uses docker-py to talk to docker backend | 22:54 |
| adrian_otto | get that working end-to-end leveraging docker for now | 22:54 |
| adrian_otto | then iterate from that point to become more ambitious | 22:54 |
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| adrian_otto | thoughts? | 22:55 |
| jlb13 | maybe need start and restart as well? | 22:55 |
| Slower | it is a good point, if subcontainers have to network through the parent it could be painful | 22:55 |
| adrian_otto | create+execute | 22:55 |
| sdake | so milestone #1 then = rest client + rest server + db + container create/delete/list/show? | 22:55 |
| Slower | do we need db? | 22:55 |
| sdake | yes a db is mandatory | 22:55 |
| adrian_otto | sdake: what if we just skip the client to start with? | 22:55 |
| sdake | when is a different question | 22:56 |
| erw | I actually question the need for execute, in general | 22:56 |
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| sdake | adrian_otto how you going to maeke the calls? :) | 22:56 |
| adrian_otto | just use docker as the client? | 22:56 |
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| adrian_otto | hacked to add an auth header | 22:56 |
| sdake | we can't do that with pods I dont think | 22:56 |
| sdake | tbh that sound smore complicated then just makign a client | 22:56 |
| erw | i.e. can ‘docker execute’ just be a special case of ‘container create’? | 22:56 |
| adrian_otto | sdake: good point | 22:56 |
| erw | (I have this same question for the docker api itself actually) | 22:56 |
| Slower | very good point.. doh! | 22:56 |
| dims | +1 to milestone #1 as above | 22:57 |
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| Slower | sdake: so in the proposed milestone we just do container stuff, no bay/pod apis? | 22:57 |
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| sdake | slower adrian proposed, wfm - that hsould take 2-3 weeks if we are all working on it | 22:57 |
| adrian_otto | rephrased: milestone irc://irc.freenode.net:6667/#1 rest client + rest server + db + container create/delete/list/show | 22:58 |
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| Slower | I thought the idea was to have an image in the 'bay' that held the rest server? | 22:58 |
| sdake | +1 lets set a deadline | 22:58 |
| * Slower isn't ready to +1 that yet :) | 22:58 | |
| * Slower is slow | 22:59 | |
| adrian_otto | so, we are closing in on the end of the hour | 22:59 |
| sdake | need more minerals!! | 22:59 |
| Slower | hehe | 22:59 |
| adrian_otto | let's get an ML thread open on milestone 1 | 22:59 |
| Slower | sounds good to me | 22:59 |
| dguryanov|3 | +1 | 22:59 |
| adrian_otto | and let's organize around that | 22:59 |
| Slower | or we could switch to #openstack-containers | 22:59 |
| sdake | email thread is good | 22:59 |
| sdake | maybe we will pick up more contrib | 22:59 |
| adrian_otto | thanks everyone for attending today | 23:00 |
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| erw | +1 on making progress, in general | 23:00 |
| daneyon | thanks | 23:00 |
| Slower | thanks guys | 23:00 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 18 23:00:16 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
| erw | thanks adrian_otto - and everyone that’s now contributing :) | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-11-18-22.08.html | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-11-18-22.08.txt | 23:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-11-18-22.08.log.html | 23:00 |
| dims | +1 erw! | 23:00 |
| sdake | who was opening up the thread on the ml, erw ? | 23:01 |
| erw | not I | 23:01 |
| erw | best to move this to #openstack-containers at this point. | 23:01 |
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