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| jokke_ | Alex \o | 13:59 |
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| ativelkov | hi jokke_ | 14:00 |
| nikhil_k | #startmeeting Glance | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 20 14:00:37 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil_k. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
| ativelkov | o/ | 14:00 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 14:00 |
| * flaper87 loves this new meeting time | 14:00 | |
| nikhil_k | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:01 |
| curtis_p | o/ | 14:01 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: this is still the old one | 14:01 |
| mclaren | \o | 14:01 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:01 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: we can have the new time starting oct4th | 14:01 |
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| ativelkov | is this the new time? I though the new one is 30 mins later, is not it? | 14:01 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: I'd prefer bit earlier | 14:01 |
| flaper87 | s/this/the/ | 14:02 |
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| jokke_ | Oct 4th is after all almost year away | 14:02 |
| TravT | o/ | 14:02 |
| hemanthm | o/ | 14:02 |
| ativelkov | probably that is Dec, not Oct | 14:02 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: heh, oops | 14:02 |
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| nikhil_k | I meant Dec4th | 14:02 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: better ;P | 14:02 |
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| * nikhil_k is probably still half asleep in this cold morning | 14:03 | |
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| nikhil_k | the proposal was 14:30UTC to accomodate different people | 14:03 |
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| nikhil_k | that way everyone(most) get to attend at least half of it | 14:04 |
| nikhil_k | vs. nothing at all | 14:04 |
| nikhil_k | maximum votes are for 15:30 - which is fine too | 14:04 |
| zhiyan | nikhil_k: it's too late to me.. | 14:04 |
| nikhil_k | zhiyan: can you add yours here real quick http://doodle.com/nwc26k8satuyvvmz ? | 14:05 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: 15:30 is bit late for me as well ... most of the time I'm on the road at that time | 14:05 |
| ativelkov | what is UTC now? 15? | 14:05 |
| nikhil_k | that way we can make a quantifiable decision | 14:05 |
| jokke_ | ativelkov: 1400 | 14:05 |
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| nikhil_k | ativelkov: 14 | 14:05 |
| ativelkov | got it | 14:05 |
| nikhil_k | am using the new today feature with different clocks (osx yosamite if it helps) | 14:06 |
| nikhil_k | anyways, if zhiyan puts 14 on the doodle then we've a tie with 15:30 | 14:06 |
| nikhil_k | with no real distinguishing factor to say which one should we prefer | 14:07 |
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| nikhil_k | would everyone be okay to alternate between 14 and 15:30 in that case? | 14:08 |
| TravT | If we can at least do 14:30, that'd be better for middel and west coast. | 14:08 |
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| nikhil_k | jokke_: ^ | 14:08 |
| TravT | \s\middel\middle | 14:08 |
| nikhil_k | #startvote would everyone be okay to alternate between 14 and 15:30 in that case? | 14:09 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: would everyone be okay to alternate between 14 and 15:30 in that case? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 14:09 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 14:09 |
| ativelkov | #vote yes | 14:09 |
| ivasilevskaya | #vote yes | 14:09 |
| nikhil_k | #vote yes | 14:09 |
| zhiyan | #vote yes | 14:09 |
| curtis_p | #vote yes | 14:09 |
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| hemanthm | #vote yes | 14:10 |
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| flaper87 | #yes | 14:10 |
| kragniz | #vote yes | 14:10 |
| lakshmiS | #vote yes | 14:11 |
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| rosmaita | #vote yes | 14:11 |
| TravT | #vote yes | 14:11 |
| nikhil_k | that number shoukd be more than enough I sup (without any serious objections) | 14:11 |
| * TravT gives into yes pressure. :) | 14:12 | |
| nikhil_k | TravT: there's no pressure :) | 14:12 |
| nikhil_k | still time | 14:12 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: looking your doodle 1400 has most votes :P | 14:12 |
| TravT | Every other week is reasonable | 14:12 |
| nikhil_k | oh, lakshmiS added vote too | 14:12 |
| nikhil_k | thanks | 14:13 |
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| nikhil_k | TravT: how likely is wayne going to be attending the meetings? | 14:13 |
| jokke_ | if we can find compromise so we don't need to alternate I think it would make everyones life easier | 14:13 |
| nikhil_k | #endvote | 14:13 |
| openstack | Voted on "would everyone be okay to alternate between 14 and 15:30 in that case?" Results are | 14:13 |
| jokke_ | but that does not sound too likely | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | jokke_: +1 | 14:14 |
| nikhil_k | was thinking 14:30 | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | 14:45 ? | 14:14 |
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| nikhil_k | but then zhiyan says no and I find his importance significant to the meetings | 14:14 |
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| zhiyan | s/no/yes | 14:14 |
| nikhil_k | :) | 14:15 |
| nikhil_k | TravT: jokke_ : mind syncing up a bit later after the meeting | 14:15 |
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| hemanthm | zhiyan succumbs to pressure | 14:15 |
| nikhil_k | we'd finilize the time today,(think) | 14:15 |
| TravT | nikhil_k: sure. | 14:15 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: yup ... sent you PM about that already ;P | 14:16 |
| zhiyan | hemanthm: no, i can join the meeting which i can join..not a big deal | 14:16 |
| nikhil_k | #topic updates | 14:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "updates (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:16 | |
| nikhil_k | so, in the interest of time, will quickly say these here | 14:16 |
| nikhil_k | we've had good number of volunteers/interest groups for https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 14:17 |
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| nikhil_k | and that's good | 14:17 |
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| nikhil_k | as the TC wants more people to be "empowered" to take important decisions to the different aspects of projects | 14:17 |
| nikhil_k | with power comes responsibility hand in hand, hence the liaisons would be strongly encouraged (not sure if expected) to attend a weekly meeting | 14:18 |
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| nikhil_k | CPL meeting which will replace the existing "project" meeting | 14:18 |
| ativelkov | who is going to be the QA liaison for Glance? | 14:18 |
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| mclaren | curtis_p ? | 14:19 |
| nikhil_k | if no one vounteers it's me however, we've had some interest from curtis_p , not sure if he's still interested | 14:19 |
| curtis_p | I am interested | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | +1 | 14:20 |
| curtis_p | Not sure about the scope | 14:20 |
| nikhil_k | for the stable branch liaisons, it made sense to ask jokke_ first and he's (at least partially) accepted the role | 14:20 |
| nikhil_k | (as his interest and full time responsibilites suit the purpose) | 14:20 |
| nikhil_k | (just so that it's not a news when the wiki is populated) | 14:21 |
| nikhil_k | #topic kilo-1 | 14:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "kilo-1 (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:21 | |
| nikhil_k | #link http://status.openstack.org/release/ | 14:21 |
| nikhil_k | we need some BPs to be priorotized (even if spec is not approved yet) | 14:22 |
| nikhil_k | to be marked to k-1 | 14:22 |
| nikhil_k | so, please let me know if anyone is interested in having theirs else it would be totaly judement call from my side | 14:22 |
| ativelkov | if the spec is not approved, we don't have the BP, do we? | 14:22 |
| zhiyan | o/ | 14:22 |
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| nikhil_k | judgement* | 14:22 |
| hemanthm | how about the multiple containers one? :) | 14:23 |
| zhiyan | how about store-capabilities one? :) | 14:23 |
| hemanthm | its close to getting approved as well, I think | 14:23 |
| nikhil_k | hemanthm: sure | 14:23 |
| kragniz | ativelkov: bp is on launchpad, so is independant of the spec being approved | 14:23 |
| zhiyan | i mentions it durning the summit, and folks see it sensible | 14:23 |
| kragniz | iirc | 14:23 |
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| nikhil_k | zhiyan: do you mean https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126550/? | 14:24 |
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| jokke_ | I'd seriously like to see that glance_store integration prioritized | 14:24 |
| zhiyan | nikhil_k: no | 14:24 |
| nikhil_k | ativelkov: some people have already created one, so let's discuss a bit after the meeting on that | 14:24 |
| zhiyan | nikhil_k: it's a change for glance_store, but different than api ref | 14:24 |
| ativelkov | kragniz: when we had specs introduced there was an idea that BP is automatically (?) created as soon as spec is merged. But probably I got something wrong | 14:24 |
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| TravT | nikhil, | 14:25 |
| hemanthm | that's my understanding too, ativelkov | 14:25 |
| TravT | are you talking about getting spec approved by kilo 1 or about getting all code landed in kilo 1 | 14:25 |
| TravT | ? | 14:25 |
| nikhil_k | ativelkov: yeah, not sure how effectively that's being used. at least release maangement becomes difficult | 14:25 |
| nikhil_k | TravT: landed by k1 | 14:25 |
| jokke_ | ativelkov: I think that was the original idea but until that happens we're relying on people who is submitting spec opening bp on lp with the same name as the spec file and crosslinking them together | 14:25 |
| nikhil_k | that would essential mean spec is approved | 14:25 |
| nikhil_k | so, if you all think that the spec can land in k1 - we can priorotize it given there are enough slots available | 14:26 |
| ativelkov | got it. Then, I'll create a BP for artifacts spec (which needs to be updated anyway) | 14:26 |
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| TravT | ok. Well, I think the metadefs tag support will be ready by Kilo 1 | 14:26 |
| TravT | code and spec | 14:26 |
| hemanthm | jokke_: I see, I should create one for multiple containers then, thanks! | 14:26 |
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| nikhil_k | ok, cool. we can potentially have 1 big, 1-2 medium and upto 3 small specs by k1 | 14:27 |
| nikhil_k | sorry, need to rush a bit | 14:28 |
| jokke_ | there is example in todays agenda you can use as reference (Surprisingly the logging refactoring | 14:28 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Mini-summit | 14:28 |
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| TravT | nikhil_k: should we just open a launchpad blueprint and link to spec for now? | 14:28 |
| nikhil_k | so, the update is that people would be communicated that these summits are optional and cores are not expected to attend | 14:28 |
| nikhil_k | TravT: yes | 14:29 |
| TravT | ok | 14:29 |
| nikhil_k | that's just fyi - so the purpose of the mini-summit is clear and people do not feel obligated | 14:29 |
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| nikhil_k | nontheless, we can strongly encourage the core memebers to be present as that seems important for taking decisions | 14:30 |
| nikhil_k | and about the time and venue | 14:30 |
| nikhil_k | we've very likely to have it in Palo Alto (After) the Nova mid-cycle meeting | 14:30 |
| nikhil_k | or may be overlap one day | 14:30 |
| zhiyan | any company can give me a founding to attend ? | 14:30 |
| nikhil_k | the details are not clear as I'm yet to hear from the Nova PTL | 14:30 |
| zhiyan | :) IBM | 14:31 |
| lakshmiS | +1 to zhiyan | 14:31 |
| sigmavirus24 | (Sorry I'm late) | 14:31 |
| ativelkov | what's the agenda? Is that only nova's v1->v2 migration? | 14:31 |
| nikhil_k | and the VMware repr who is arranging is sorting out the details | 14:31 |
| zhiyan | lol | 14:31 |
| nikhil_k | so the plan is still tentative | 14:31 |
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| nikhil_k | we'd get the confirmation in near future (hope) | 14:31 |
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| jokke_ | nikhil_k: can we art least lock it now to end of so I can start planning my other travel beofre that? | 14:32 |
| jokke_ | enf of January it is | 14:32 |
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| nikhil_k | we can say it's end of January | 14:32 |
| jokke_ | thnx | 14:32 |
| nikhil_k | without confirmed time and venue though | 14:32 |
| nikhil_k | (time as in date) | 14:33 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: as long as I know it's not gonna happen like 10-13th or something like that I'm fine ... | 14:33 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: yes, not then | 14:33 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Progress on review guidelines? | 14:33 |
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| hemanthm | that'd be me I guess | 14:34 |
| nikhil_k | yes | 14:34 |
| nikhil_k | or anyone else too | 14:34 |
| hemanthm | mfedosin and I are working together on putting together a wiki page that ativelkov talked of before | 14:34 |
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| nikhil_k | (have a few comments, after) | 14:34 |
| hemanthm | I'm still collecting content, so there's nothing up on the wiki yet | 14:35 |
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| hemanthm | hope to get it into a decent shape and have the first version ready soon | 14:35 |
| zhiyan | hemanthm: seems it's a good idea, pls let me know when it/draft ready if you ok. | 14:35 |
| hemanthm | is there a deadline of sorts on this one? | 14:35 |
| ativelkov | I just want to make sure that we do not duplicate anything which is already present on primary openstack wiki | 14:35 |
| kragniz | hemanthm: is that content coming from the etherpad from last weeks meeting? | 14:35 |
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| hemanthm | zhiyan: sure | 14:35 |
| nikhil_k | ativelkov: +1 | 14:35 |
| zhiyan | hemanthm: thanks | 14:35 |
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| hemanthm | kragniz: that's a part of it | 14:36 |
| kragniz | hemanthm: cool | 14:36 |
| hemanthm | ativelkov: sure. | 14:36 |
| mclaren | hemanthm: I'm sure you know about this https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReviewChecklist, looks like something we could link off | 14:36 |
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| hemanthm | mfedosin and I are going to meet soon on this topic, if anyone wants to join please let us know | 14:36 |
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| ativelkov | +1 | 14:37 |
| nikhil_k | talking about reviews | 14:37 |
| zhiyan | +1 | 14:37 |
| nikhil_k | #startvote do we need cores? :) | 14:37 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: do we need cores? Valid vote options are , . | 14:37 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 14:37 |
| nikhil_k | (more core reviewers) | 14:37 |
| hemanthm | mclaren: thanks for the pointer, I was mostly looking at the nova one | 14:37 |
| zhiyan | nikhil_k: how many cores in general in os community? | 14:38 |
| kragniz | #vote yes | 14:38 |
| openstack | kragniz: yes is not a valid option. Valid options are , . | 14:38 |
| jokke_ | #vote yes | 14:38 |
| openstack | jokke_: yes is not a valid option. Valid options are , . | 14:38 |
| TravT | #vote yes | 14:38 |
| openstack | TravT: yes is not a valid option. Valid options are , . | 14:38 |
| hemanthm | #vote yes | 14:38 |
| openstack | hemanthm: yes is not a valid option. Valid options are , . | 14:38 |
| cpallares | #vote yes | 14:38 |
| kragniz | lol | 14:38 |
| openstack | cpallares: yes is not a valid option. Valid options are , . | 14:38 |
| nikhil_k | lol | 14:38 |
| ativelkov | I'd say we need mote reviews. People often start reviewing as soon as there is at least one +2 | 14:38 |
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| nikhil_k | zhiyan: we don't have many core reviewers atm | 14:39 |
| hemanthm | openstack doesn't want more cores, boo | 14:39 |
| jokke_ | I'm not sure more in numbers is needed, but activity would be nice | 14:39 |
| zhiyan | https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/13,members | 14:39 |
| hemanthm | jokke_: +1 | 14:39 |
| zhiyan | jokke_: ++ | 14:39 |
| nikhil_k | zhiyan: yes, am working on that list | 14:39 |
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| lakshmiS | #vote yes | 14:39 |
| openstack | lakshmiS: yes is not a valid option. Valid options are , . | 14:39 |
| TravT | how many of those cores are active? | 14:40 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: promise to be more active once we sort out the crtical stuff for Glance atm (prolly in a week) | 14:40 |
| nikhil_k | ok good | 14:40 |
| nikhil_k | #endvote | 14:40 |
| openstack | Voted on "do we need cores?" Results are | 14:40 |
| ativelkov | http://stackalytics.com/?module=glance-group | 14:40 |
| nikhil_k | so, we can plan to add more people in a staggered manner | 14:40 |
| nikhil_k | so that we do not have rush of commits into the tree | 14:40 |
| nikhil_k | and that's the part of the guideline I wished to add | 14:41 |
| nikhil_k | please take care of how many and what types of commits go into the tree (once the nominated members become core) | 14:41 |
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| nikhil_k | for first step we can add 2 members of different interests so that we've momemtum on wide set of patch sets not just single type | 14:42 |
| nikhil_k | and after 3 weeks we can decide on more, I'm sure there are a lot of great candidates waiting for the role | 14:42 |
| nikhil_k | that was it from my en | 14:42 |
| TravT | what about spec cores? | 14:43 |
| nikhil_k | drivers you mean? | 14:43 |
| ativelkov | spec cores == drivers? | 14:43 |
| TravT | there's two different lists | 14:43 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: as there seems to be lots of folks looking pure numbers, should we think cleaning some out of the list from the inactive end?\ | 14:43 |
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| TravT | https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/342,members | 14:43 |
| nikhil_k | so, the problem there is that we do not want a dozen people there as it would create chaos. the current list is def a bit small though | 14:44 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: working on it | 14:44 |
| zhiyan | nikhil_k: we can send mail to ML first | 14:44 |
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| zhiyan | before clean | 14:44 |
| nikhil_k | zhiyan: not ML | 14:45 |
| nikhil_k | they are veterans | 14:45 |
| nikhil_k | and deserve respect | 14:45 |
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| nikhil_k | #topic reviews, specs, etc to be discussed | 14:46 |
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| zhiyan | nikhil_k: ok, i mean before do the cleanup the list , just send mail to make folks know.. | 14:46 |
| nikhil_k | zhiyan: sure thing | 14:46 |
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| nikhil_k | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130839/ | 14:46 |
| zhiyan | nikhil_k: i think you read me wrong.. | 14:46 |
| nikhil_k | zhiyan: sorry O:-) | 14:47 |
| nikhil_k | who added that? | 14:47 |
| nikhil_k | he's not here | 14:47 |
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| nikhil_k | jokke_: Logging/translations refactoring ? | 14:47 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: and that PS is in merge conflict, so pointless pushing effort on that before it's solved | 14:47 |
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| nikhil_k | jokke_: ohk yes | 14:48 |
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| jokke_ | nikhil_k: yes ... blunt question, should I just abandon that change? | 14:48 |
| hemanthm | I was collecting a list of reviews that need some love | 14:48 |
| hemanthm | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116626/ | 14:48 |
| hemanthm | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132113/ | 14:48 |
| hemanthm | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123769/ | 14:48 |
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| sigmavirus24 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116626/ | 14:48 |
| sigmavirus24 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132113/ | 14:48 |
| hemanthm | the list was rather long last night, but some fine folks merged them (and stole my thunder :P ) | 14:48 |
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| sigmavirus24 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123769/ | 14:48 |
| hemanthm | these MPs have been sitting there for a while, looking good and getting rebased | 14:49 |
| nikhil_k | ok, may be some food for the cores | 14:49 |
| jokke_ | I know the first one is bit mouthful | 14:50 |
| nikhil_k | (fast food, <add_your_favorite_dish>) | 14:50 |
| kragniz | nikhil_k: please nom them | 14:50 |
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| zhiyan | i'd like to take a look on #116626 | 14:50 |
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| jokke_ | but it has been sitting there rebased for months with various amounts of +1/+2 just consuming lots of time rebasing as it touches bit of everything | 14:51 |
| zhiyan | seems that's the blocker now | 14:51 |
| nikhil_k | cool, I will try to review them today/tomorrow. rest is up to the other members | 14:51 |
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| jokke_ | zhiyan: thanks, would be greatly appreciated | 14:51 |
| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: are the other links added by you ? | 14:51 |
| zhiyan | jokke_: yrw, man | 14:51 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: I just wanted the meeting bot to record those links | 14:52 |
| sigmavirus24 | I think anyone can #link something | 14:52 |
| nikhil_k | TravT: will try to review the tagging spec on priority | 14:52 |
| nikhil_k | ah ok | 14:52 |
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| sigmavirus24 | (I think ;)) | 14:52 |
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| TravT | on priority? | 14:52 |
| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: the bot has started id-ing the links without that tag (think) | 14:52 |
| sigmavirus24 | ah okay | 14:52 |
| nikhil_k | TravT: :) | 14:53 |
| zhiyan | as oslo liaison, i'd like to see i18n stuff be syncup asap as well, btw jokke_ | 14:53 |
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| nikhil_k | TravT: I meant, not in 2 weeks, sometime sooner than that | 14:53 |
| sigmavirus24 | zhiyan: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132113/ you mean? | 14:53 |
| TravT | yes | 14:53 |
| TravT | on that one, i'm actually looking to get a core to agree to review the code | 14:53 |
| zhiyan | sigmavirus24: yes | 14:53 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Open discussion | 14:53 |
| TravT | as per the guidelines | 14:53 |
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| zhiyan | and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117204/ | 14:53 |
| nikhil_k | let's discuss the rest of the stuff under this topic | 14:54 |
| sigmavirus24 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132113/ would be nice to have more people's opinions on | 14:54 |
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| ativelkov | I've a question on functional tests | 14:54 |
| kragniz | sigmavirus24: yeah, and that's dependant on the rest of jokke_'s changes | 14:54 |
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| sigmavirus24 | ugh sorry, wrong link, I meant to link to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134810/ | 14:55 |
| nikhil_k | TravT: ah ok, just read that. not sure what the ideal way to do it | 14:56 |
| jokke_ | sigmavirus24: thanks for update ... will have a look on that tonight | 14:56 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Thanks jokke_ | 14:56 |
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| ativelkov | I've got some QA guys willing to write functional tests for artifacts (and probably more, if we miss some tests in other areas - they have time to contribute). However, I am not sure what is the proper workflow for this? May the tests be added as a separate changeset, or should they come as part of the primary changeset which adds feature code? | 14:57 |
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| jokke_ | so quick proposal when we're doing guidelines for reviews etc. How about making sure when setting bug priority to confirm the bug as well. Seen lately bugs popping up to medium/high priority that are not clear if they are real or triaged at all | 14:57 |
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| sigmavirus24 | jokke_: +! | 14:58 |
| sigmavirus24 | *+1 | 14:58 |
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| sigmavirus24 | I'd really like to see a group of us get together once a week or something and walk through the bugs | 14:58 |
| kragniz | sigmavirus24: +1 | 14:58 |
| jokke_ | So would be nice if the person who prioritizes bug would also confirm it or if no time for that, not also then setting the priority for it | 14:58 |
| nikhil_k | ativelkov: primary set sounds good to me | 14:58 |
| sigmavirus24 | See if we can confirm/triage/prioritize things before random people start working on them | 14:58 |
| kragniz | we sort of did that this week | 14:58 |
| kragniz | and it worked well | 14:58 |
| sigmavirus24 | kragniz: yeah, I'd like to keep it up to | 14:58 |
| nikhil_k | ativelkov: it wouldn't make sense to let the code sit without tests | 14:58 |
| TravT | +1 kragniz | 14:58 |
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| TravT | saw that activity by several people this week. thanks to everybody doing that | 14:59 |
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| nikhil_k | jokke_: can you please come up with a list for the bug priority guidelines? | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: sure | 14:59 |
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| nikhil_k | thanks | 14:59 |
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| jokke_ | ok, we're out of time | 15:00 |
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| sigmavirus24 | hemanthm: can you add a note to the guidelines to *NOT* work on bugs until they're at least confirmed if not triaged? | 15:00 |
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| hemanthm | sigmavirus24: sure, making a note of that | 15:00 |
| sigmavirus24 | hemanthm: thank you +1 | 15:00 |
| nikhil_k | ok great | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | thanks all! | 15:00 |
| ativelkov | nikhil_k: yes, I understand, but this complicates the development: it's easy when the feature developer writes tests for their code, but if these are different people, then co-working on the same changeset may be tricky. Is it possible to push feature with some minimum set of tests and then add more with a dependent changeset? | 15:00 |
| nikhil_k | Thanks all | 15:00 |
| nikhil_k | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 20 15:00:57 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-11-20-14.00.html | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-11-20-14.00.txt | 15:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-11-20-14.00.log.html | 15:01 |
| nikhil_k | ativelkov: sure let's discuss the details on the other channel | 15:01 |
| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 20 15:01:22 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | hello all | 15:01 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:01 |
| rushil | \o | 15:01 |
| vponomaryov | Hi | 15:01 |
| vvechkanov | Hi | 15:01 |
| toabctl | hi | 15:01 |
| rraja_ | hi | 15:01 |
| xyang1 | hi | 15:01 |
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| jasonsb | gi | 15:01 |
| csaba | hi | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | so the agenda today is light | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | good to see a bunch of people here, last week was lightly attended | 15:02 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | I think mainly we are getting down to work and implementing new things for Kilo | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | so there's not much to discuss unless anyone wants to | 15:03 |
| bswartz | #topic dev status | 15:03 |
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| vponomaryov | Dev status for last week: | 15:03 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: we missed you last week\ | 15:03 |
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| vponomaryov | 1) Functional tests in manilaclient | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | BP: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-manilaclient/+spec/functional-tests | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | status: added gate job, it is being tested already. Work in progress on new tests. | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | 2) Driver modes: | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | BP: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/driver-modes | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | status: work has been started | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | 3) Network helper | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | BP: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/network-helper | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | status: work in progress | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | 4) devstack enhancements | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | BP: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/enhance-devstack-plugin | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | gerrit: #link https://review.openstack.org/135953 | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | status: work in progress | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | That's the main | 15:05 |
| bswartz | thanks vponomaryov | 15:05 |
| bswartz | anyone have any questions about what we're working on? | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | I've bee doing pretty minimal reviews -- is anyone looking for code reviews on new stuff? | 15:05 |
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| toabctl | I'm trying todo reviews now frequently. but I'm on vacation for the next 3 weeks. | 15:06 |
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| jasonsb | I hope soon but im stuck on somerhing | 15:06 |
| bswartz | thanks toabctl -- enjoy your vacation :-) | 15:06 |
| jasonsb | neutron thing | 15:06 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: what is julia's IRC handle? | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | we have two Julias | 15:07 |
| bswartz | Julia Varlamova | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | jvarlamova | 15:07 |
| bswartz | she's listed at assignee for driver modes on LP | 15:07 |
| bswartz | okay I should have guessed | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | =) | 15:07 |
| bswartz | is she on the same timezone as you? | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | no | 15:08 |
| vponomaryov | +1 from me | 15:08 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:08 |
| bswartz | well thanks for the update | 15:08 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | does anyone else have a topic they wanted to discuss today? | 15:08 |
| vponomaryov | one thing | 15:08 |
| bswartz | go ahead | 15:09 |
| vponomaryov | deepakcs proposed to use same storage for our current service image as for modified cirros image | 15:09 |
| vponomaryov | csaba is using it | 15:09 |
| bswartz | you mean the dropbox account? | 15:09 |
| vponomaryov | no | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | where then? | 15:09 |
| csaba | bswartz: my red hat personal webpage | 15:10 |
| bswartz | csaba: can that site handle high bandwidth? | 15:10 |
| vponomaryov | csaba: also is there traffic limit? | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: is there any reason to not continue using dropbox? | 15:11 |
| lpabon | hi | 15:11 |
| vponomaryov | or treshold for download speed? | 15:11 |
| lpabon | sorry im late | 15:11 |
| bswartz | I thought that we had upped the traffic limit and it was okay now | 15:11 |
| csaba | bswartz: we have to check it to make sure, allegedly others use people.redhat.com to storeimages too | 15:11 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: it still has limit | 15:11 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: we just do not reach it | 15:11 |
| bswartz | yes but the limit is way higher than we need | 15:11 |
| rushil | but people.redhat.com is much slower than dropbox images | 15:11 |
| bswartz | if we get close to the limit again, then we should just engage with the infra folks and have them host it | 15:12 |
| bswartz | we could have infra do it now -- I know they're okay with it | 15:12 |
| bswartz | but the current situation seems to be working | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: are you ok that is my own personal storage? | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: I mean I am the bottleneck | 15:13 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: in the short term yes -- it's been this way for several months and we've been okay | 15:13 |
| vponomaryov | ok | 15:13 |
| bswartz | the long term plan is for infra to do it but I'd rather focus on a manila-image project first | 15:13 |
| bswartz | but all of that is lower priority than the BPs we have targetted for kilo-1 | 15:13 |
| toabctl | bswartz: what is "manila-image project" ? | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | I want to get those new feature merged because they will affect new driver writers | 15:14 |
| vponomaryov | toabctl: planned project to handle our service image | 15:14 |
| bswartz | #topic manila-image project | 15:14 |
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| bswartz | okay so for those who missed the discussion in paris (this was at the manila team meetup) | 15:14 |
| bswartz | I'm proposing that we start a new project to build the glance image that manila's generic driver currently uses | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | currently the image we use is built in a way that not everyone can reproduce | 15:15 |
| bswartz | so I'd like to have this team create and own the build scripts for that image | 15:15 |
| toabctl | bswartz: should that be based on diskimage-builder? | 15:16 |
| toabctl | i.e. the sahara project has something similar | 15:16 |
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| toabctl | the project there is called sahara-image-elements | 15:16 |
| bswartz | toabctl: I'm not sure, I'm not familiar with that project | 15:16 |
| bswartz | #link https://github.com/openstack/diskimage-builder | 15:16 |
| csaba | toabctl: it's open what to base on, suggestions are welcome | 15:16 |
| toabctl | #link https://github.com/openstack/sahara-image-elements | 15:16 |
| csaba | toabctl, bswartz : I plan to start on with yocto | 15:17 |
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| bswartz | the main requirements for the image (from my perspective) is that it needs to be small and the build scrips need to be apache licensed | 15:17 |
| csaba | https://www.yoctoproject.org/ | 15:17 |
| vponomaryov | we have here two directions - way of maintenance and source for image itself | 15:17 |
| bswartz | the image needs to support SSH, NFSv3 and NFSv4, as well as Samba | 15:17 |
| bswartz | several people (including me) are investigating approaches to achieve those goals | 15:18 |
| bswartz | by the end of kilo I'd like to have something usable | 15:18 |
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| toabctl | csaba: hm. I suggest to first have a look at diskimage-builder. That's used by tripleo, sahara and maybe some other projects. | 15:18 |
| bswartz | it's not a high priority | 15:18 |
| csaba | toabctl: as of diskimage-create: they say "This script builds Ubuntu, Fedora, CentOS cloud images for use in Sahara." -- we'd prefer smaller images than general purpose distro based ones tend to be | 15:19 |
| bswartz | toabctl: where are docs for that project? | 15:19 |
| toabctl | is there already a blueprint for that? | 15:19 |
| bswartz | is there a wiki? | 15:19 |
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| csaba | toabctl: source is https://github.com/openstack/sahara-image-elements/blob/master/diskimage-create/README.rst | 15:19 |
| toabctl | bswartz: wiki for diskimage-builde? | 15:19 |
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| toabctl | csaba: why do we want to have smaller images? imho what people want is a image based on there already supported distro they use anyway. no? | 15:20 |
| bswartz | the main motivation for the small image is that this image is actually used as part of our gate tests | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | we want to minimize stress on the gate test servers and we also want our gate to run as fast as reasonably possible | 15:21 |
| vponomaryov | toabctl: gate tests and to have only "required" things within | 15:21 |
| bswartz | actual deployers are welcome to build their own larger images | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | that's why this is not a high priority | 15:22 |
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| nileshb | would the smaller image help CI for manila in future? | 15:22 |
| vponomaryov | nileshb: yes | 15:22 |
| bswartz | yeah | 15:22 |
| vponomaryov | we had timeouts of image downloadings | 15:22 |
| rushil | I thought we were supposed to base it out of cirros images | 15:22 |
| bswartz | rushil: it can be based on anything, so long as it meets the requirements of SSH, NFSv4, and Samba | 15:23 |
| bswartz | currently we use an ubuntu-based image that's 305 MB | 15:23 |
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| bswartz | I would like to see an image in the 10-50MB range | 15:23 |
| rushil | bswartz: We can modify that. My local.conf uses a significantly smaller cirros image | 15:23 |
| csaba | rushil: there might be licensing problems, this is something that bswartz raised at summit but has not been completely cleared AFAIC feel | 15:24 |
| csaba | rushil: *licensing with cirros | 15:24 |
| bswartz | rushil: I'd love to see what you have if it actually works | 15:24 |
| rushil | bswartz: Sure. | 15:24 |
| bswartz | also as csaba mentions, we can't fork cirros because it's license is not compatible with apache | 15:24 |
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| csaba | bswartz: I gave it a thought though | 15:25 |
| bswartz | but I'll take something non-apache-licensed if it's small and it works | 15:25 |
| csaba | an image builder is something like a compiler | 15:25 |
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| csaba | you are not worried by gcc being gpl, right? | 15:25 |
| csaba | so why worry about license of the image builder? | 15:26 |
| bswartz | if it's going to be an openstack or stackforge project, one of the requirements is that it's apache licensed | 15:26 |
| csaba | images, like with compiler, won't be a derivate work of builder | 15:26 |
| bswartz | yes I'm not worried about usage of GPL stuff, as long as nothing we distribute is GPL | 15:27 |
| clarkb | bswartz I dont think that is a requirement for stackforge | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | clarkb: interesting -- are you aware of GPL projects on stackforge? | 15:27 |
| bswartz | if they exist, then perhaps a cirros-derivative image is the easier path to follow | 15:28 |
| clarkb | not off the top of my head but I dont see why that would be prevented | 15:28 |
| bswartz | okay that's something we can look into | 15:28 |
| bswartz | any more questions on manila-image? | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | okay that's everyone | 15:29 |
| bswartz | I think we're done | 15:29 |
| bswartz | *thanks everyone | 15:30 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:30 |
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| nileshb | thanks | 15:30 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 20 15:30:16 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-11-20-15.01.html | 15:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-11-20-15.01.txt | 15:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-11-20-15.01.log.html | 15:30 |
| toabctl | thanks | 15:30 |
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| rushil | thanks | 15:31 |
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| mihgen | hi all | 16:01 |
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| christopheraedo | hey | 16:01 |
| vkramskikh | hi | 16:01 |
| agordeev | hi | 16:01 |
| kozhukalov | hey guys | 16:01 |
| xarses | o/ | 16:01 |
| mattymo | word | 16:01 |
| sbog | hi all | 16:01 |
| angdraug | o/ | 16:01 |
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| aglarendil | ^&^ | 16:02 |
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| dpyzhov | o/ | 16:02 |
| kozhukalov | #startmeeting Fuel | 16:02 |
| ikalnitsky | o/ | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 20 16:02:09 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kozhukalov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| cpeters | long time fan, first time attendee | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:02 |
| kozhukalov | #chair kozhukalov | 16:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: kozhukalov | 16:02 |
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| kozhukalov | agenda | 16:02 |
| kozhukalov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:02 |
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| kozhukalov | #topic Announcements (mihgen) | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (mihgen) (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:02 | |
| mihgen | hi folks | 16:02 |
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| mihgen | our schedule remains unchanged: | 16:03 |
| mihgen | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Fuel/6.0_Release_Schedule | 16:03 |
| mihgen | we have a bit more than one week left before hard code freeze | 16:03 |
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| mihgen | I was looking thru our bugs targeting 6.0, and the race of income, I can say from experience that we are becoming more to yellow status rather than green | 16:04 |
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| mihgen | main reason is that we still getting a large flow of bugs in, even while we are closing a lot | 16:04 |
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| mattymo | mihgen, do we have any stats on how bug squashing went last week? | 16:05 |
| kozhukalov | any statistics available? | 16:05 |
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| mihgen | so the question is how we can be better here. I believe we have to work very close with QA, and get their broken env for further analysis / troubleshooting right away to close the gap between the bug report and its fix | 16:05 |
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| mihgen | stats are pretty common, which I have | 16:06 |
| mihgen | #link http://fuel-launchpad.mirantis.com/project/fuel/bug_trends/6.0 | 16:06 |
| mihgen | I've ran through LP with scripts and manually too | 16:06 |
| mihgen | fuel-library did a very good job on bug squashing / triaging | 16:06 |
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| mihgen | though bugs are growing still | 16:06 |
| zigo | Hi there! | 16:06 |
| mihgen | Especial danger for me are bugs on fuel-devops, as any failure in infra causes delays in our processes | 16:07 |
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| mihgen | so every smoke/bvt failure should be always considered with highest attention | 16:07 |
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| mihgen | I think that's it for 6.0 bugs which I wanted to share. | 16:08 |
| kozhukalov | mihgen: for me it looks like amount of all bugs is growing bug amount of open bugs is not | 16:08 |
| mihgen | not exactly, they are being quickly moved to confirmed / > committed, and this is very, very good | 16:09 |
| mihgen | thanks for those who keep watching new | 16:09 |
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| kozhukalov | ok, let do our best here | 16:09 |
| mihgen | Ok , for features in upcoming releases, I see a number of email threads in openstack-dev discussing design approaches, and it is awesome | 16:09 |
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| mihgen | let's continue discussions and getting blueprints filled in. Once we are becoming less loaded from bugs, we need to switch to design proposals | 16:10 |
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| mihgen | that's it about 6.0 & upcoming, any comments? | 16:10 |
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| mihgen | kozhukalov: let's move on? | 16:11 |
| kozhukalov | #topic 5.1.1 release status (angdraug) | 16:12 |
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| angdraug | primary focus in 5.1.1 is critical bugs | 16:12 |
| angdraug | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/mos/+bug/1392261 | 16:12 |
| angdraug | if we can get this and all pending kernel patches land tomorrow we can still have code freeze this week | 16:12 |
| angdraug | and we still need more reviews for release notes! | 16:12 |
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| angdraug | anyone from osci here? | 16:13 |
| angdraug | or mos-linux? | 16:13 |
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| mihgen | angdraug: today there were a several landings to stable/5.1 | 16:13 |
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| mihgen | dburmistrov: any updates from your side on 5.1.1 ? | 16:14 |
| angdraug | afaict kernel wasn't one of them | 16:14 |
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| dburmistrov | angdraug: we add latest ubuntu security updates to 5.1.1 | 16:15 |
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| angdraug | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135561/ (fix for #1392261) fails CI | 16:15 |
| angdraug | dburmistrov: yup, but that didn't include kernel, right? | 16:16 |
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| mihgen | this is experimental feature, so we should not count on this one | 16:16 |
| angdraug | #1373459 is still in progress for 5.1.1 | 16:16 |
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| mihgen | angdraug: this one though might block scale lab, changeset to master landed, needs to be merged to stable/5.1 now | 16:16 |
| mihgen | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135024/ | 16:16 |
| dburmistrov | angdraug: yes, it doesn't include kernel | 16:16 |
| angdraug | mihgen: doesn't mean we should leave it completely broken when we already have a patch up for review | 16:16 |
| mihgen | I'm in a worry for https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1371104, VMs are losing connectivity and their IPs after HA failover | 16:17 |
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| mihgen | not reproduced for 6.0, we should triple-check it for 5.1.1 | 16:17 |
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| angdraug | could be mlx specific | 16:18 |
| mihgen | angdraug: not so sure. | 16:18 |
| angdraug | if it is, we can't hold back 5.1.1 for that | 16:18 |
| mihgen | This one is unclear how affects us: https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1394137 Mysql backend readiness checks should rely on TCP connectivity instead of sockets | 16:19 |
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| mihgen | I doesn't see clear message on how exactly it affects UX | 16:19 |
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| angdraug | yes, I asked the same question in the comments | 16:20 |
| aglarendil | mihgen: I think we can ask holser, but he is not here | 16:20 |
| tzn | It’s not critical in my opinion | 16:20 |
| tzn | We lived without it for quite a while | 16:20 |
| mihgen | so it's high there. I'm not sure if it has to be in 5.1.1 especially | 16:21 |
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| mihgen | tzn: yep, that was my point. I'm aftraid that we can introduce more issues with it at the beginning than to solve | 16:21 |
| angdraug | tzn: do you know why holser and bdobrelia are not here? | 16:21 |
| mihgen | bogdando is bdobrelia | 16:22 |
| angdraug | oops, right | 16:22 |
| mihgen | so my point is that we should re-consider targeting 5.1.1 | 16:22 |
| mihgen | for this bug. | 16:22 |
| angdraug | we should reconsider its priority first | 16:22 |
| mihgen | and that's pretty much of important/unclear bugs we have | 16:22 |
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| angdraug | if it's not a regression, it's Medium at best | 16:23 |
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| angdraug | thanks | 16:23 |
| kozhukalov | thanx angdraug | 16:23 |
| mihgen | ok, let's leave comments there again… and decide | 16:23 |
| mihgen | moving on? | 16:23 |
| angdraug | yes please | 16:23 |
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| kozhukalov | #topic Debian porting status (zigo) | 16:23 |
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| zigo | Hi there! | 16:23 |
| zigo | I've been doing a lot of repacking, and for that, I opened git repos on github. | 16:24 |
| zigo | As I needed to have one git repo per package. | 16:24 |
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| zigo | Lots of stuff are already uploaded and present in Debian sid. | 16:24 |
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| zigo | For Ruby dependencies, I uploaded: ruby-cstruct ruby-raemon ruby-rethtool ruby-symboltable | 16:25 |
| zigo | For the rest, I have worked out packages for: | 16:25 |
| mihgen | zigo: wait those should be existing, no? | 16:25 |
| zigo | cobbler fuel-agent fuel-library nailgun-agent python-fuel-agent-ci python-fuelmenu python-invoke python-rudolf | 16:25 |
| zigo | fabric fuel-astute fuel-nailgun python-daemonize python-fuelclient python-invocations python-network-checker python-shotgun python-xmlbuilder | 16:25 |
| zigo | mihgen: They were *not*. | 16:25 |
| mihgen | I mean those are pretty general-purpose ruby libs | 16:25 |
| mihgen | whoops ok | 16:25 |
| zigo | mihgen: But they were not in Debian. | 16:25 |
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| zigo | Then now, I'm currently working on doing a hardware discovery bootstrap image. | 16:25 |
| zigo | It almost worked, until today, where it can't find /sbin/init, not sure why ... | 16:26 |
| mihgen | sounds pretty cool, though didn't know that we've got too much stuff .. ) | 16:26 |
| zigo | Though all dependencies are already built. | 16:26 |
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| zigo | I believe I'll need help to test out that ISO image when it will boot again. | 16:26 |
| kozhukalov | ummm.. debian based bootstrap. good to hear that we are moving towards that | 16:26 |
| zigo | Can anyone volunteer to test that on an already installed Fuel setup ? | 16:26 |
| mattymo | kozhukalov, when you have a senior devel with a wide open schedule, miracles can happen | 16:27 |
| mattymo | zigo, yeah I'll help you get it up and working | 16:27 |
| kozhukalov | zigo: you can ping me | 16:27 |
| zigo | Cool, thanks guys. | 16:27 |
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| angdraug | mattymo: don't be jealous :) | 16:27 |
| zigo | As for the rest, I need to finish the cobbler package, which is in theory working, but needs a bit of polishing. | 16:27 |
| mattymo | I am jealous! | 16:27 |
| zigo | That's it. | 16:27 |
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| zigo | Any question, remarks, help? | 16:28 |
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| zigo | None, ok ... | 16:28 |
| mihgen | thx zigo, the question would be how many of those repos should be on stackforge | 16:28 |
| zigo | Then just one thing. | 16:28 |
| kozhukalov | remark | 16:28 |
| mattymo | zigo, it's the hardest part by far. Getting the mcollective portion is going to be very time consuming as well, so focus there first | 16:28 |
| xarses | just let us know what you need help with. this is awesome | 16:28 |
| zigo | Yeah, that's what I wanted to ask ! | 16:28 |
| zigo | Could we have everything move to stackforge ? | 16:28 |
| zigo | Obviously, I'm not the one to do that, cause that will break current build. | 16:29 |
| mihgen | zigo: not sure if we want to move there everything | 16:29 |
| zigo | But maybe we can setup a deadline to do it? | 16:29 |
| mihgen | it's worth to discuss in email | 16:29 |
| zigo | After 5.1.1 is out maybe? | 16:29 |
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| xarses | is it relevant to do that for every sub package? | 16:29 |
| kozhukalov | we have good news about ironic integration and it looks like we are able to deliver zero implementation by 6.1, so i am not sure we really need cobbler package | 16:29 |
| xenolog | zigo, that version of debian will be used for our purposes? | 16:29 |
| zigo | Like, before working on 6.0? | 16:29 |
| zigo | xarses: YES ! :) | 16:29 |
| mihgen | integration with current code is different question even. Like with image-based provisioning, | 16:29 |
| zigo | kozhukalov: Well, it's almost done, so never mind! :) | 16:30 |
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| mihgen | we have to prepare very very smooth path | 16:30 |
| mihgen | in order no to break what we've got already | 16:30 |
| zigo | Yeah, I'm currious to know what path we'll be taking, and the schedule. | 16:30 |
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| mattymo | it'll disrupt our upgrade path for sure, so that's a future discussion | 16:30 |
| zigo | FYI, I already have Ironic ready for both Debian and Ubuntu, so we could use that. | 16:30 |
| xarses | kozhukalov: we need to talk about what happens when cobbler is gone. It does alot of things for us that we will have to start doing if we remove it | 16:30 |
| zigo | mattymo: Should we schedule to break everything after 5.1.1?!? | 16:30 |
| mattymo | zigo, after 6.0, please | 16:31 |
| xarses | regardless of it doing provisioning | 16:31 |
| mihgen | zigo: so I think all these questions should go to openstack-dev | 16:31 |
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| zigo | mattymo: When will that be? | 16:31 |
| mihgen | pls don't break even after 6.0 ;) | 16:31 |
| mihgen | zigo: you missed https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Fuel/6.0_Release_Schedule | 16:31 |
| zigo | Ok, so what's the plan to move to artefact building? | 16:31 |
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| kozhukalov | xarses: not agree, for me it looks like cobbler does a little for us | 16:31 |
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| mihgen | it's under discussion, hopefuly we can manage to get some stuffing for it in 6.1 | 16:32 |
| zigo | Maybe we should just open a branch for 6.1, and work there? | 16:32 |
| mihgen | zigo: you can always do the work in your github fork | 16:32 |
| angdraug | we're not yet ready to create stable/6.0 | 16:32 |
| zigo | Yeah, I got no other ways anyway. | 16:32 |
| mihgen | though it is gonna be nightmare to accept > 1000 lines of code | 16:32 |
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| mattymo | or you can work with patchsets in gerrit that aren't merged | 16:32 |
| mattymo | that's how we did juno | 16:32 |
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| angdraug | regarding packaging repos, shouldn't that be fully upstreamed in debian.org repos? | 16:32 |
| zigo | I'm ok if we don't decide when do move to it yet. | 16:33 |
| mihgen | +1 to mattymo on working in progress patches in gerrit | 16:33 |
| mihgen | and people can review in parallel | 16:33 |
| zigo | angdraug: That's what I'm doing. But upstream repo should have a match (eg: without the debian folder). | 16:33 |
| zigo | angdraug: Then I should just pull from that ... | 16:33 |
| mihgen | zigo: we can put something to review.fuel-infra.org git too | 16:33 |
| mihgen | zigo: thx, ok folks should we move on? | 16:34 |
| zigo | I don't mind where, as long as we start separating things into smaller repos. | 16:34 |
| kozhukalov | ok, guys, we still have a lot to discuss | 16:34 |
| angdraug | folks, lets take it to the mailing list, there's too much to discuss | 16:34 |
| kozhukalov | let's move on | 16:34 |
| zigo | Yeah, let's move on to the next topic! :) | 16:34 |
| kozhukalov | #topic Changing the handling of /etc/puppet/modules on Fuel master (mattymo) | 16:34 |
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| mattymo | ok I have a few words prepared, and I hope we'll have some discussion | 16:34 |
| xarses | kozhukalov: it does dnsmasq, reserved dhcp, hostnames, tftp/pxe boot, | 16:35 |
| mattymo | So, this came as a result of some surprised looks (and comments) from people outside of Fuel Library team. Host manifests were already merged over a month prior and now we have to reconsider our solution. | 16:35 |
| mattymo | LP bug 1382531 solves the Puppet host manifest chicken and egg solution by using pre-packaged Puppet in /etc/puppet, and then rsync serves Puppet from /puppet directory which is /etc/puppet from the Fuel Master host. | 16:35 |
| mattymo | (code still on review, along with the revert of host manifests) | 16:35 |
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| mattymo | host maniHost manifests change was intended to give us an easy way to launch Docker containers using modified puppet manifests without any dirty hacks. | 16:36 |
| mattymo | In light of recent discussions, i've decided the only way to really have an effective Fuel Master CI test is to build fresh containers. This avoids breaking Fuel upgrade and rollback (even though there were alternatives). It will add time to our test, but hopefully give better results. | 16:36 |
| mattymo | and that code is here on review now (not tested yet): https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136031/ | 16:36 |
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| mattymo | </rant> | 16:37 |
| mihgen | mattymo: I feel it's more right approach now | 16:37 |
| angdraug | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1382531 | 16:38 |
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| mihgen | we've got a few places already where we had to do some hacks for upgrades | 16:38 |
| mihgen | like ssh keys for instance | 16:39 |
| angdraug | define dirty hacks please | 16:39 |
| mattymo | that's an astute architectural problem, not related to dockerization | 16:39 |
| mihgen | so our upgrade script already grows with workarounds, adding one more doesn't seem to be a good option | 16:39 |
| mihgen | mattymo: which one? | 16:39 |
| mattymo | angdraug, env specific ssh keys are stored in /var/lib/astute | 16:39 |
| mattymo | mihgen, ^ | 16:39 |
| mihgen | so basically current suggestion is fine to me | 16:39 |
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| mihgen | mattymo: yeah, and it is an issue of astute, correct | 16:40 |
| angdraug | is rsync container stateful? | 16:40 |
| mattymo | it should go in postgres DB as well or be stored/retrieved by nailgun | 16:40 |
| ikalnitsky | wow, guys | 16:40 |
| mihgen | so my point is that we should not design something similar to what we have with ssh keys | 16:40 |
| mattymo | the only stateful containers are cobbler, postgres, and astute | 16:40 |
| ikalnitsky | we have to store ssh keys outside container | 16:40 |
| mihgen | mattymo: yep, postgres is fine | 16:41 |
| mattymo | ikalnitsky, you can back up containers. we have no backup scripts for "outside container" data | 16:41 |
| mihgen | containers should be stateless | 16:41 |
| ikalnitsky | i think all our containers should be stateless | 16:41 |
| ikalnitsky | mattymo: that's not a problem | 16:41 |
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| mihgen | and we can have one single stateful place, or two | 16:41 |
| mihgen | but not more | 16:42 |
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| mattymo | cobbler can become stateless if astute rebuilds all profiles on deploy and purges all old ones | 16:42 |
| mattymo | that's trivial | 16:42 |
| mattymo | astute as well | 16:42 |
| mihgen | so it should be always clear and transparent, then we would not see bugs with upgrades all the time | 16:42 |
| mattymo | but postgresql we need some consensus | 16:42 |
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| aglarendil | postgresql data should be put on the host node | 16:43 |
| ikalnitsky | aglarendil: +1 | 16:43 |
| mihgen | +1 | 16:43 |
| mattymo | aglarendil, and how do you propose a rollback? where is the old data? | 16:43 |
| ikalnitsky | mattymo: we can put astute/cobbler settings on host node too | 16:43 |
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| aglarendil | simply back your database up | 16:43 |
| xarses | mattymo: this is what having a VOL for the psqldata is for so it can be used in seperate images | 16:43 |
| angdraug | not even that | 16:43 |
| mattymo | ikalnitsky, propose a rollback strategy for astute that works with host node data too | 16:43 |
| ikalnitsky | mattymo: we will better write script for backuping some data from host rather write workarounds inside fuel_upgrade script | 16:43 |
| aglarendil | and if something is broken - just upload old data | 16:44 |
| mihgen | it has to be two storages in my opinion: DB & folder on fs | 16:44 |
| xarses | it doesn't have to be on the host node | 16:44 |
| mattymo | Docker can snapshot data just fine for us already | 16:44 |
| angdraug | you can have multiple postgres db instances running in parallel, and pivot between them | 16:44 |
| ikalnitsky | ok, guys, what about having a statefull storage containers for database/astsute/so and mount them to our stateless containers? | 16:45 |
| mihgen | we are not gonna make a consensus now I think. But topic is hot. | 16:45 |
| mihgen | who can volunteer to start email thread on it? | 16:45 |
| mattymo | angdraug, it's a little tricky unless we decouple the data and the application because once you create a container, you can't change exposing the port so easily (in antequated versions of docker) | 16:45 |
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| xarses | ikalnitsky: +1 | 16:45 |
| MiroslavAnashkin | We may use host filesystem with built-in snapshotting. | 16:45 |
| evgeniyl__ | It requires additional design, because in this case rollback is tricky, because you have db, with new schema, you should drop previous db and db from backup | 16:45 |
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| kozhukalov | ok, let's leave this for ML | 16:45 |
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| kozhukalov | moving on | 16:45 |
| mattymo | we have to live with the fact that we may be stuck with docker 0.10 for the next several months | 16:45 |
| evgeniyl__ | But in this case we can mount volume to different directories and use old method to upload db. | 16:45 |
| xarses | mattymo: re old version, we have to loose it soon, its horrible | 16:46 |
| aglarendil | guys, stop it. backing files and DB is not rocket science | 16:46 |
| kozhukalov | #topic Lost commits during upstream manifests merge (mihgen) | 16:46 |
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| evgeniyl__ | aglarendil: it's not | 16:46 |
| mihgen | yeah I wanted to bring this topic | 16:46 |
| mihgen | there is email in openstack-dev about it too | 16:46 |
| mihgen | the thing is that we sync upstream modules | 16:46 |
| aglarendil | okay, Mike, I see the only issue with this was keystone-related bug | 16:47 |
| mihgen | and then start to see regressions | 16:47 |
| mihgen | aglarendil: nope, there were others | 16:47 |
| aglarendil | which ones? | 16:47 |
| mihgen | so the thing is that we have to 1) go ahead and analyze how it happened | 16:47 |
| mihgen | 2) proactively check everything we merged again | 16:47 |
| aglarendil | it looks like we intentionally did not merge keystone commit | 16:47 |
| mihgen | 3) figure out how we can safely sync new changes | 16:48 |
| alex_didenko | aglarendil: minor issue with nova-api worker, so 2 regressions so far: in keystone and nova modules | 16:48 |
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| aglarendil | because it was breaking things before we merged Juno keystone release | 16:48 |
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| aglarendil | and keystone Juno was merged right before summit | 16:48 |
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| aglarendil | so far we just did not apply this fix | 16:48 |
| angdraug | alex_didenko: you forgot the cinder glance_api_version regression | 16:49 |
| alex_didenko | few words on keystone module - we started to sync+adapt it on Apr 3, merged on Nov 8 | 16:49 |
| mihgen | aglarendil: there was https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129918 for example | 16:49 |
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| alex_didenko | angdraug: thx, 3 regressions now :) | 16:49 |
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| mihgen | here is how it was merged: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86007/ | 16:50 |
| mihgen | -1 from Fuel CI, and one +1 | 16:50 |
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| mihgen | +3300 lines of code | 16:50 |
| aglarendil | Mike, you are pointing the wrong one | 16:50 |
| alex_didenko | that's the sync commit, it may not pass CI - it's OK | 16:51 |
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| alex_didenko | we do 2 commits: 1st - sync commmit, upstream module "as is" | 16:51 |
| alex_didenko | 2nd - adaptation commit which depends on sync commit - it should pass CI | 16:51 |
| mihgen | what do you mean under adaptation? | 16:52 |
| xarses | I think you are forgetting that before the summit there was basicly no puppet-openstack modules that supported juno | 16:52 |
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| xarses | so the fact that we found problems when we merged the juno release packages isn't a shock | 16:52 |
| alex_didenko | adaptation - make new upstream module work in Fuel | 16:52 |
| mihgen | I believe it's exactly 1st stage where you miss our tweaks / bug fixes made before | 16:52 |
| xarses | the juno rc packages mostly worked | 16:52 |
| aglarendil | Mike, we established upstream modules merge process. | 16:52 |
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| mihgen | xarses: nope, it's not about that. See lost optimizations: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129918 | 16:53 |
| aglarendil | firstly, we merged modules as-is and then applied differences we needed | 16:53 |
| angdraug | mihgen: you're wrong and you're right | 16:53 |
| mihgen | ok let's move to ML then | 16:53 |
| angdraug | tweaks and bugfixes should all be done in the adaptation commit | 16:53 |
| kozhukalov | 7 minutes and two topics | 16:53 |
| angdraug | and yes we miss them | 16:53 |
| mihgen | I just want to say it's important | 16:53 |
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| mihgen | angdraug: that's what I'm trying to understand how we can not to miss them... | 16:53 |
| aglarendil | let's move this discussion to ML. please reply to my message | 16:54 |
| mihgen | let's pay attention to that topic in ML then | 16:54 |
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| mihgen | I will | 16:54 |
| kozhukalov | ok | 16:54 |
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| kozhukalov | #topic image based provisioning (agordeev) | 16:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "image based provisioning (agordeev) (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:54 | |
| agordeev | hi | 16:54 |
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| agordeev | image based provisioning. | 16:55 |
| agordeev | 2 high pritority bug fixes were landed just few hours ago. | 16:55 |
| agordeev | https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1390492 | 16:55 |
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| agordeev | https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1391896 | 16:55 |
| agordeev | also, 2 new bugs appeared today. I'm not sure if they're really representing bugs in fuel. | 16:55 |
| agordeev | I mean it is not clear and questionable, either we have glitchy testing environment or fuel. Investigating them. | 16:55 |
| agordeev | https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1394599 | 16:55 |
| agordeev | https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1394617 | 16:55 |
| agordeev | otherwise, all everything looks fine and no other complains came since last weekly meeting from QA. | 16:55 |
| agordeev | I'm done, thanks! | 16:55 |
| kozhukalov | agordeev: thanx | 16:55 |
| kozhukalov | any q? | 16:55 |
| agordeev | i'm prepared for questions, if any | 16:56 |
| kozhukalov | looks like no q | 16:56 |
| mihgen | yeah who is being invlolved too ? | 16:56 |
| mihgen | in the code reviews | 16:56 |
| mihgen | apart two of you and dpyzhov | 16:56 |
| agordeev | mihgen: qa folks also | 16:56 |
| mihgen | not enough, we've got a bunch of python force | 16:57 |
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| mihgen | let's figure out how to knowledge transfer and involve them into the work as well | 16:57 |
| kozhukalov | mihgen: they are also reviewed | 16:57 |
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| kozhukalov | dshulyak1: and akasatkin | 16:57 |
| mihgen | ok, good | 16:57 |
| kozhukalov | #topic Ironic integration status (kozhukalov) | 16:57 |
| mihgen | thx | 16:57 |
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| kozhukalov | we had a discussion with two ironic cores today and we agreed about our seeing of zero step implementation of Fuel Ironic driver | 16:58 |
| kozhukalov | we are planning to come up with spec drafts for both Fuel and Ironic next week and have another much more detailed discussion | 16:58 |
| kozhukalov | there is still no ML thread for that just to make it more more valuable when spec draft are ready | 16:58 |
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| kozhukalov | xarses: all that stuff about tftp and dhcp is available for nailgun or incapsulated into provisioning data, so ironic do the same, and we even have ready to use astute ironic driver | 16:59 |
| kozhukalov | i am done | 16:59 |
| mihgen | kozhukalov: if you can summarize in email what spec is going to be about is gonna be better | 16:59 |
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| mihgen | than to wait before spec is complete | 16:59 |
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| kozhukalov | i am talking about spec drafts | 16:59 |
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| kozhukalov | ok looks like we have no more time | 17:00 |
| kozhukalov | thanx everyone | 17:00 |
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| kozhukalov | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 20 17:00:21 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-11-20-16.02.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-11-20-16.02.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-11-20-16.02.log.html | 17:00 |
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| hyakuhei | #startmeeting openstack security group | 17:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 20 17:03:05 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | yo! | 17:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | sigh. | 17:03 |
| tkelsey | o/ | 17:03 |
| sweston | o/ | 17:03 |
| sicarie | o/ | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | That's the third time I've started this meeting in the last 2 minutes | 17:03 |
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| tmcpeak | o/ | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | started it _twice_ in the Barbican room | 17:03 |
| bdpayne | o/ | 17:03 |
| dave-mccowan | o/ | 17:03 |
| bdpayne | ha | 17:03 |
| tkelsey | lol | 17:03 |
| chair6 | \o | 17:03 |
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| hyakuhei | so welcome everyone to Rob finally loosing it, live on IRC. | 17:04 |
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| tmcpeak | yayy :D | 17:04 |
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| * sicarie gets popcorn | 17:04 | |
| hyakuhei | ok, agenda peeps? | 17:04 |
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| hyakuhei | OSSG mid-cycle | 17:05 |
| redrobot | o/ | 17:05 |
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| hyakuhei | redrobot: feel free to start your Barbican meeting now :P | 17:05 |
| redrobot | hyakuhei haha | 17:05 |
| tkelsey | shout out about PyKMIP 0.2.0 landing + PyKMIP 0.1.0 getting into global reqs | 17:05 |
| ereynolds | too early for popcorn | 17:06 |
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| hyakuhei | Hey ereynolds ! | 17:06 |
| tkelsey | ereynolds: not here, its 17:00 | 17:06 |
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| hyakuhei | #topic OSSG Mid-Cycle | 17:06 |
| ereynolds | 11am in texas | 17:06 |
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| hyakuhei | So I spoke to a few people about this already and there was a thread on the ML last week | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | There's a lot of overlap between OSSG/Barbican/Keystone | 17:07 |
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| hyakuhei | I'd like to attend all three as do a bunch of other people | 17:07 |
| tkelsey | hyakuhei: +1 | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | Trying to work out the best way to arrange it | 17:07 |
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| hyakuhei | Time/Travel costs wise it makes sense to host them in the same place at the same time | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | I had a notion that maybe we could run something from Tuesday of one week to the Thursday of the next | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | Monday and Friday as travel days. | 17:08 |
| redrobot | I spoke to the Keystone PTL the other day and they're committed to meeting in San Antonio, TX on Jan 21-23 | 17:08 |
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| hyakuhei | 8 Working days to cover all three | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | ok, that's actually pretty soon | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | how does that influence your plans redrobot ? | 17:09 |
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| redrobot | hyakuhei I think there's more overlap in OSSG/Barbican than Keystone/Barbican, so I'm waiting to see what you guys want to do.. | 17:09 |
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| hyakuhei | Ok anyone here object to that? | 17:10 |
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| bdpayne | object to? | 17:10 |
| bdpayne | I agree that there's probably more overlap with Barbican than Keystone | 17:10 |
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| hyakuhei | Object to running the midcycle alongside Barbican | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | Last time we filled 4-5 days all on our own | 17:11 |
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| bdpayne | Do we know anything about where/when the Barbican guys are planning theirs? | 17:11 |
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| hyakuhei | redrobot: is king Barbican | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | yeah 8 days for three meetups doesn't leave much time for any individual meetup | 17:12 |
| redrobot | lol, I like that | 17:12 |
| bdpayne | I do agree that OSSG could fill a week by itself... so it seems more of a question of trying to make travel easier for folks | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | We've knocked around a few ideas | 17:12 |
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| hyakuhei | I think Tuesday->2nd Thursday might still be a good plan? | 17:12 |
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| hyakuhei | We only loose one weekend, get some good work done on both projects..? | 17:12 |
| bdpayne | just doing ossg and barbican at a similar location / time? | 17:13 |
| bdpayne | I think that's very reasonable | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | yeah sounds good | 17:13 |
| tkelsey | hyakuhei: Tuesday->2nd Thursday ? | 17:13 |
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| hyakuhei | Yeah. Tue-Wed-Thur-Fri-Sat-Sun-Mon-Tue-Wed-Thur | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | work/play/whatever on the sat/sun potentially optional | 17:14 |
| bdpayne | can you be more... specific? ;-) | 17:14 |
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| hyakuhei | Hehe I don't have dates in mind yet | 17:15 |
| tkelsey | im fine with the weekend, just wandering on the dates | 17:15 |
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| redrobot | We had tentatively talked about Feb 3 - 12 | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | redrobot: said there might be a space we could use | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | That's right | 17:15 |
| ereynolds | <tkelsey> im fine with the weekend, +1 | 17:15 |
| redrobot | Geekdom SA or Geekdom SF should be fairly easy for us to get. | 17:15 |
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| redrobot | Not sure what the Geekdom SF space is like, but the SA one worked well for Keystone/Barbican last cycle | 17:16 |
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| hyakuhei | I'd be happy with either I guess, knowing nothing of thenm | 17:16 |
| bdpayne | at one time there was talk of Nebula helping out... not sure if that's still of interest | 17:16 |
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| hyakuhei | #link http://geekdomsf.com/ | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | Open to options, sounds like we might get a space for free via Rackspace/Geekdom | 17:17 |
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| redrobot | yeah. Geekdom SA was free last cycle. I _think_ Geekdom SF would be free as well. | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | HP happy to cover costs but I don't want to create the appearance that HP's trying to own this so others are welcome to contribute/foot the bill :P | 17:18 |
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| redrobot | we'd still have to provide food/snacks | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah so I think that's what we are talking about really | 17:19 |
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| hyakuhei | Breakfast/Lunch etc each day some events in the evening perhaps | 17:19 |
| bdpayne | ok gotcha... I had more been working the space side of things | 17:19 |
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| hyakuhei | Appreciate that bdpayne and I don't think we have confirmation that Geekdom will give us space for free | 17:20 |
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| hyakuhei | but it would be good for OSSG and Barbican both be in the same place as well as back to back | 17:21 |
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| bdpayne | sure, makes sense | 17:21 |
| redrobot | understood. I can work with the Geekdom folks once we decide on a city. | 17:21 |
| bdpayne | whatever works | 17:21 |
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| hyakuhei | What should guide the decision here? | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | SF vs SA I mean | 17:22 |
| redrobot | SA would allow for Keystone/Barbican/OSSG to run back to back. | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | I think you US folks might be better qualified to comment | 17:22 |
| redrobot | SF would mean just Barbican/OSSG | 17:22 |
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| hyakuhei | ok I think all three might be ambitious, especially if they're taking a whole week already | 17:23 |
| ereynolds | generally warmer in SA (if that matters) | 17:23 |
| tkelsey | hyakuhei: humm yeah +1 | 17:23 |
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| bdpayne | the thinking should go like this ... SF >>>> SA | 17:24 |
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| tmcpeak | lol | 17:24 |
| bdpayne | and, to be honest, this has nothing to do with where I live | 17:24 |
| redrobot | we do have awesome tacos down here | 17:24 |
| bdpayne | I just happen to think that SA is kind of sleepy | 17:24 |
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| bdpayne | well, that is true | 17:24 |
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| hyakuhei | Personally I really like SF | 17:24 |
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| hyakuhei | but I've never been to SA | 17:24 |
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| bdpayne | and a nice little riverwalk ;-O | 17:25 |
| reaperhulk | I live in Austin and I'd prefer SF ;) | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | bdpayne: can we go biking? | 17:25 |
| bdpayne | clearly | 17:25 |
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| redrobot | in SA yes, there's a ton of greenways, and a pretty good bikeshare program. | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | ok so, lets make the presumption that GeekdomSF isn't terrible. | 17:25 |
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| hyakuhei | All other things being equal, we could just vote it here? | 17:26 |
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| hyakuhei | Well that's not fair to the Barbican folks | 17:26 |
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| hyakuhei | but we could measure what OSSG thought | 17:26 |
| bdpayne | SF also has more / larger airports and better public transit | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:26 |
| reaperhulk | SF geekdom space is reasonably large. I was there just a few weeks ago | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | That makes a differnce to us puddle jumpers | 17:26 |
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| reaperhulk | I don't know about their scheduling of course | 17:26 |
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| hyakuhei | Ok, so my vote is SF on the condition that tmcpeak and bdpayne take us to awesome places during social hours | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | will do | 17:27 |
| dg__ | +1 | 17:27 |
| tkelsey | +1 | 17:27 |
| sicarie | +1 | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | +1 | 17:27 |
| dg__ | SF gets my vote | 17:27 |
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| bdpayne | I can work with this plan | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | redrobot: reaperhulk thoughts? | 17:27 |
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| hyakuhei | ok so I guess we need to find out about availability | 17:28 |
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| redrobot | I would be ok with SF. The only question would be on dates? There may be some Keystone folks that would maybe try to make SF after their mid-cycle. | 17:28 |
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| reaperhulk | Ha, I'm good on that ;) | 17:29 |
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| * bdpayne votes for sometime in Feb | 17:30 | |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:30 |
| tkelsey | +1 | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | yeah Feb | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | +1 | 17:30 |
| * redrobot votes for late Feb. | 17:31 | |
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| hyakuhei | ok, redrobot can you find out about availability at GeekdomSF for late Feb? | 17:32 |
| redrobot | hyakuhei will do | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | Thank you! | 17:33 |
| redrobot | hyakuhei I'll ping you as soon as I hear back from them. | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | Sweet, thank you | 17:34 |
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| hyakuhei | thanks bdpayne | 17:36 |
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| hyakuhei | ok. Next agenda item. | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: did you have something? | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: just a quick thing on Bandit | 17:36 |
| bknudson | I had no problem in san antonio... the geekdom was right next to the river walk. Was too busy to go anywhere except the valencia hotel and geekdom | 17:36 |
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| tmcpeak | since we'll be using dev ML for OSSG stuff, it would probably be good to introduce Bandit to the wider audience | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | #topic bandit | 17:37 |
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| tmcpeak | I will draft something this week and send it out | 17:37 |
| tkelsey | tmcpeak: +1 for mailing out | 17:37 |
| bknudson | does bandit run on any code now? (keystone?) | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | IT's not in any gates | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | yeah not in gates | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | but it can be run on the code tree and finds plenty | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | I'd love to start getting wider use and feedback | 17:38 |
| tkelsey | +1 | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | just check out all of tmcpeak's launchpad bugs :P | 17:38 |
| bknudson | is there config for rules like flake8/pep8? | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: yep | 17:39 |
| bknudson | you can turn on the rules 1 by 1 | 17:39 |
| bknudson | and fix them | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | you can whitelist tests or blacklist tests | 17:39 |
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| bknudson | great | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | we'll be starting more dev soon | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | but feedback first would be really helpful | 17:40 |
| bknudson | projects should be ok with it if it works like pep8 | 17:40 |
| tkelsey | yup yup :) | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | Almost like it was planned that way... | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: the mechanism for enabling/disabling tests is probably different than pep8 | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | but should be pretty self-explanatory | 17:40 |
| tkelsey | we need to get into the global req's list to be allowed into test-requirments of course | 17:40 |
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| hyakuhei | Moreso than pep8 imho | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | ^ ease of use | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, we like to think so | 17:41 |
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| bknudson | with pep8 they pin at a version because it'd break everything when new rules are added. | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | with a simple profile tweak that wouldn't be an issue with Bandit | 17:42 |
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| tkelsey | tmcpeak: yeah the profile stuff is very nice | 17:43 |
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| tmcpeak | that's probably it on Bandit for now | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | stay tuned for ML introduction for it | 17:43 |
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| tkelsey | other than to invite anyone who fancies it to come contribute :) | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | +1 | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | cool | 17:44 |
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| bknudson | I for one am looking forward to it | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | #topic KMIP | 17:44 |
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| hyakuhei | tkelsey: | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: awesome! | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | What did you want to say? | 17:44 |
| tkelsey | hyakuhei: about PyKMIP? | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | ja | 17:45 |
| tkelsey | so I was just going to give a shout out, since im sure there are people in here who are interested | 17:45 |
| bknudson | my understanding is that barbican can talk to KMIP | 17:45 |
| tkelsey | PyKIMP 0.2.0 dropped a day or so ago, and PyKMIP 0.1.0 got into the global reqs list. | 17:45 |
| tkelsey | bknudson: yeah Barbican is using it via KMIPSecretStore to talk to HSMs | 17:46 |
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| hyakuhei | So without that kmip could only perform user/password based authentication | 17:46 |
| tkelsey | so it would be awesome to get 0.2.0 into the global req's I'll probably make a ptach to do that soon | 17:47 |
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| hyakuhei | This adds certificates, which a lot of HSM demand - that right tkelsey ? | 17:47 |
| tkelsey | hyakuhei: yes thats right | 17:47 |
| bknudson | pykmip>=0.1.0 # Apache 2.0 License | 17:47 |
| tkelsey | client cert | 17:47 |
| bknudson | so if you install now you'd get 0.2.0. | 17:47 |
| bknudson | shouldn't use the new APIs until the requirements is updated to 0.2.0 | 17:47 |
| tkelsey | yeah, true, but I had an engineering need to use the new stuff. But since KMIPSecretStore was in before PyKMIP at any version I figured it would be ok | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei | Whats the requirements for bumping the version in global reqs? | 17:49 |
| tkelsey | as I say, I'll put a patch up to bump to 0.2.0 once the dust settles on 0.1.0 | 17:49 |
| bknudson | usually it's just an indication that some new feature needs it. | 17:49 |
| tkelsey | bknudson: +1 yeah | 17:49 |
| hyakuhei | Ok, that should be fine | 17:49 |
| bknudson | i.e. "for the xxx feature we need 0.2.0" | 17:49 |
| tkelsey | seems sensible | 17:49 |
| tkelsey | thanks bknudson | 17:50 |
| tkelsey | ok thats it from me. | 17:50 |
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| hyakuhei | #topic any other business | 17:50 |
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| sicarie | yeah | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | I'm really looking forward to get the mid-cycle locked in | 17:50 |
| sicarie | I may have missed it - I'm not great with poking around launchpad | 17:50 |
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| sicarie | But is there any type of push to move off SSL? | 17:51 |
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| sicarie | bugs/etc...? | 17:51 |
| hyakuhei | I'd like for someone to do some callibration of the OSSA metrics I wrote: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security/OSSA-Metrics | 17:51 |
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| hyakuhei | sicarie: yeah just file a bug | 17:51 |
| hyakuhei | Oh I did that for the guide already | 17:51 |
| sicarie | For example I was looking through Neutron's bugs | 17:52 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: tkelsey didn't one of you write a bandit test for this ? | 17:52 |
| sicarie | didn't see anything | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: what did you have in mind for calibration? | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | tkelsey did | 17:52 |
| tkelsey | hyakuhei: yup I did | 17:52 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: take a OSSA, run it through the modified version of DREAD in the link | 17:52 |
| dg__ | sicarie bdpayne was/is updating the Security Guide to move of SSL, I dont believe there has been any talk of opening tickets to address individual cases | 17:52 |
| hyakuhei | Document teh result and we'll compare notes | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | cool, will do | 17:53 |
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| sicarie | dg__ I was just wondering if there was an over-arching approach to move to it (certain projects first, etc...) | 17:53 |
| hyakuhei | We want to make sure that show stopping OSSAs score highly while less important ones don't. I expect everything to be medium or over because they don't really go in for OSSA on mild issues | 17:53 |
| hyakuhei | sicarie: There's no oversight like that | 17:53 |
| tmcpeak | right | 17:53 |
| hyakuhei | OSSG could provide guidance | 17:53 |
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| sicarie | hyakuhei exactly what I was thinking | 17:53 |
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| hyakuhei | 1st step, clone all the projects, run them through bandit for SSL checks I guess | 17:54 |
| tkelsey | hyakuhei: +1 | 17:54 |
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| bknudson | crappy eventlet servers on old python don't even allow configuring for no SSLv3. | 17:54 |
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| sicarie | bknudson exactly the type of thing I was looking to start trying to find and approach now | 17:55 |
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| clarkb | bknudson: are you sure? python2 ssl seems to support setting the version | 17:55 |
| hyakuhei | ok who wants to take an action to investigate? | 17:56 |
| hyakuhei | sweston: how is your OSSN coming? | 17:56 |
| * sicarie volunteers | 17:56 | |
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| bdpayne | I would argue that what we want it make sure that every project can be configured to run without SSLv3... and that this is the default. If people want to enable SSLv3 for some reason, that is their own choice. | 17:56 |
| sweston | hyakuhei: it's going well, just got instructions from Tim this morning, will push an update to gerrit soon | 17:57 |
| hyakuhei | #action sicarie to provide a summary of projects that still support SSL by default | 17:57 |
| sicarie | bdpayne +1 | 17:57 |
| hyakuhei | great thanks sweston | 17:57 |
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| bknudson | clarkb: see https://docs.python.org/2/library/ssl.html#ssl.OP_NO_SSLv2 | 17:57 |
| tkelsey | sweston: +1 | 17:57 |
| sweston | hyakuhei: sure thing | 17:57 |
| sweston | tkelsey: thanks :-) | 17:57 |
| bknudson | clarkb: you have to do PROTOCOL_SSLv23 | OP_NO_SSLv2 | OP_NO_SSLv3 | 17:57 |
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| clarkb | bknudson: that is only applicable when using the 23 version... | 17:57 |
| clarkb | you can still say TLS1 | TLS1.1 | TLS1.2 ya? | 17:57 |
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| bknudson | clarkb: I guess, but then what happens when TLS1.3? Also, there's no config option (in keystone.conf for example) | 17:58 |
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| hyakuhei | 1 minute guys | 17:58 |
| bknudson | there's no config option in keystone.conf that allows you to set TLS1 | TLS1.1 | TLS1.2 | 17:58 |
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| hyakuhei | ok, maybe take this over to the security room? | 17:59 |
| hyakuhei | Thanks everyone for attending, looking forward to SFO! | 17:59 |
| tmcpeak | later! | 17:59 |
| tkelsey | :) thanks all! | 17:59 |
| alazarev | meeting at #openstack-meeting-alt in 1 minute | 17:59 |
| hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 20 17:59:31 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-11-20-17.03.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-11-20-17.03.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-11-20-17.03.log.html | 17:59 |
| alazarev | ops, wrong chat | 17:59 |
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| elmiko | doh, dst totally screwed me lol | 18:00 |
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| tmcpeak | ha, nkinder too | 18:00 |
| nkinder | doh, off by an hour? | 18:00 |
| tmcpeak | yep :) | 18:00 |
| elmiko | always off by one error | 18:01 |
| nkinder | figured... I have a meeting overlap now | 18:01 |
| nkinder | will have to figure that out | 18:01 |
| alazarev | #startmeeting sahara | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 20 18:01:14 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alazarev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:01 |
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| alazarev | ping sahara folks | 18:01 |
| sreshetnyak | hi | 18:01 |
| elmiko | o/ | 18:01 |
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| crobertsrh | hello/ | 18:01 |
| alazarev | ErikB, NikitaKonovalov, RobLevas, SergeyLukjanov, aignatov, alazarev, bob_nettleton, crobertsrh, dmitryme, elmiko, jspeidel, mattf, skostiuchenko, sreshetnyak, tellesnobrega, themistymay, tmckay, tosky, ylobankov | 18:01 |
| tosky | hi again! | 18:01 |
| tellesnobrega_ | o/ | 18:01 |
| alazarev | I'll char today | 18:01 |
| alazarev | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 18:02 |
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| alazarev | #topic sahara@horizon status (croberts, NikitaKonovalov) | 18:02 |
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| crobertsrh | Not much changing there at the moment. I'll be talking with UX people about reworking some of the workflow soon. If anyone here wants to be a part of that, let me know. | 18:03 |
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| alazarev | crobertsrh, review workflow? or workflow in code? | 18:03 |
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| crobertsrh | No....reworking the UI experience....wizards, etc. | 18:04 |
| alazarev | crobertsrh, oh, I see | 18:04 |
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| alazarev | ok, let's move on | 18:05 |
| alazarev | News / updates | 18:05 |
| alazarev | #topic News / updates | 18:05 |
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| elmiko | i'm working on the spec for the security guide, and creating a swagger generator for sahara as a side project/poc | 18:06 |
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| tmckay | not too much from me. Working on filtering with croberts, reviewing pads and things from summit to prioritize work for Kilo | 18:06 |
| alazarev | I'm working on indirect access, core part is on review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133590/, next steps - python client, UI, docs | 18:06 |
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| tellesnobrega_ | i'm working on the data_processing bug | 18:06 |
| crobertsrh | I added a spec (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134319/) which has been merged and almost fully implemented for filtering the tables in the UI (and client library, and REST api) | 18:06 |
| tellesnobrega_ | i may have hit a problem | 18:06 |
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| tellesnobrega_ | devstack and tempest fails tempest tests | 18:07 |
| sreshetnyak | I'm working on auto security group | 18:07 |
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| tmckay | also, in open discussion, we should look at cm_api and global requirements for supporting CDH plugin in distribution (I have links to CRs) | 18:07 |
| tellesnobrega_ | from what i saw the problem is because the tempest tests needs to be commented so devstack can be merged and then we can pt the tests back on | 18:08 |
| alazarev | tellesnobrega_, python client works with both versions of service type, so, I think tests should pass | 18:08 |
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| alazarev | tellesnobrega_, is it possible to change tests in a way to work with both configs? | 18:09 |
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| tosky | not much on my side, digging into integration tests, with some minor cleanup | 18:09 |
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| tellesnobrega_ | i will take a look | 18:09 |
| tellesnobrega_ | not sure | 18:09 |
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| alazarev | sreshetnyak, I like your idea (discussed internaly) of separation rules for private and management networks for neutron | 18:10 |
| tellesnobrega_ | we can talk more after the meeting about this | 18:10 |
| alazarev | sreshetnyak, it makes a lot of sense | 18:10 |
| tellesnobrega_ | also, i'm back with storm, hopefully i will submit a patch for that | 18:11 |
| alazarev | sreshetnyak, can discuss later too | 18:11 |
| alazarev | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 18:11 |
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| alazarev | as I see no action items from the previous meeting | 18:11 |
| alazarev | #topic Design Summit @ Paris | 18:12 |
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| tmckay | not sure we need this topic anymore :) | 18:12 |
| alazarev | it's the first meeting after the summit, please share how it was ;) | 18:12 |
| elmiko | summit went well, lots of good discussion and topics generated | 18:12 |
| elmiko | also, we had much larger attendence of the sahara design sessions | 18:13 |
| alazarev | really sad that wasn't able to join | 18:13 |
| tmckay | I think the pads are a useful outline. Some things missing priorities, though | 18:13 |
| elmiko | alazarev: yea =( | 18:13 |
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| tellesnobrega_ | i fell the same alazarev | 18:14 |
| alazarev | do we have page with all pads in one place? | 18:14 |
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| elmiko | tellesnobrega_: did Andrey mention our talk? | 18:14 |
| tellesnobrega_ | not fully | 18:14 |
| elmiko | tellesnobrega_: i hope he gave you the t-shirt and stickers we sent along =) | 18:14 |
| tellesnobrega_ | we haven't had time to seat down and talk about the summit | 18:14 |
| crobertsrh | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Kilo/Etherpads#Sahara | 18:14 |
| tellesnobrega_ | i got that | 18:15 |
| tellesnobrega_ | thanks | 18:15 |
| crobertsrh | ^^ Sahara ether pads from summit | 18:15 |
| elmiko | yay | 18:15 |
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| alazarev | crobertsrh, think you | 18:15 |
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| alazarev | #topic Update meeting time to make Asia folks able to attend meetings | 18:16 |
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| crobertsrh | I forget, did we make any progress on this item when we met last? | 18:17 |
| elmiko | i don't think so | 18:17 |
| alazarev | I had a conversation with intel guys one more time, they still complaining, but no actual actions (no email to dev list, no single attendance to the IRC chat) | 18:17 |
| elmiko | that's good alazarev, i think if they want to change the time they should start making noise on the ML | 18:18 |
| alazarev | I also think if they need it, they should drive | 18:18 |
| alazarev | agreed? | 18:18 |
| elmiko | alazarev: +2 | 18:19 |
| crobertsrh | +1 | 18:19 |
| sreshetnyak | +1 | 18:19 |
| jodah | +1 | 18:19 |
| tellesnobrega_ | +1 | 18:19 |
| alazarev | #agreed people who need time shift should drive this effort | 18:19 |
| tosky | drive == proposing a time and asking? yep | 18:20 |
| alazarev | #topic Open discussion | 18:20 |
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| elmiko | tosky: agreed | 18:20 |
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| tmckay | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130153/ | 18:20 |
| tmckay | We need to discuss this, too bad Sergey is not here | 18:21 |
| elmiko | at some point in the next few weeks, i'd like to setup a meeting with around 3-5 other developers to talk about some specific security issues in sahara. this will help our efforts to start some sort of analysis/audit | 18:21 |
| tmckay | the question is -- do we push a global requirement on openstack to suport one vendor plugin for one project? | 18:21 |
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| tmckay | and the requirement is not not packaged, it is a vendor lib | 18:21 |
| elmiko | well, and does it need to be a global requirement? | 18:21 |
| elmiko | can we add sahara specific reqs? | 18:22 |
| alazarev | tmckay, this is the only way we can communicate with CDH, I think we should push this to global requirements | 18:22 |
| tmckay | my leaning is to document and leave it up to the end user, add instructions for the plugin | 18:22 |
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| tmckay | alazarev, okay, but on Fedora, Centos, Ubuntu, who is going to package it so that released distributions can use it? | 18:22 |
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| alazarev | tmckay, cloudera doesn't do that? | 18:23 |
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| elmiko | tmckay: good question, i'd like to know as well | 18:23 |
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| tmckay | no, I believe it is only in pypy right now, and bundled with cloudera stuff | 18:24 |
| tmckay | that's where it gets iffy | 18:24 |
| tmckay | We're requiring something that isn't packaged, potentially | 18:24 |
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| elmiko | yea, fedora has nothing for cm_api currently | 18:25 |
| tmckay | Alternatives -- we could carry a copy of the library in Sahara, or we could include docs for installing optionally | 18:25 |
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| elmiko | i think if the cloudera folks want this they should start getting involved with packaging. i know fedora would accept new packages if they go through the proper channels. | 18:26 |
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| alazarev | tmckay, what the license? can we copy-past it to sahara? | 18:26 |
| tellesnobrega_ | +1 | 18:26 |
| tmckay | uh, Apache2 I think | 18:26 |
| elmiko | tmckay: i'm -1 on us carrying the lib | 18:26 |
| alazarev | tmckay, is it big? | 18:26 |
| tosky | argh, copy/paste is bad, distributions don't like it (for good reasons) | 18:26 |
| tosky | they will end up extracting it anyway | 18:27 |
| jodah | very good reasons | 18:27 |
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| tmckay | alazarev, haven't looked, it's on github | 18:27 |
| tmckay | tosky, yes, I agree. There is not a great solution, except package | 18:27 |
| tmckay | But, I think "global requirement" has to come after packaging is done. | 18:27 |
| sreshetnyak | tmckay: link #https://github.com/cloudera/cm_api | 18:27 |
| tmckay | just my opinion | 18:27 |
| elmiko | what about prompting the cloudera folks to get involved with packaging their lib? | 18:27 |
| jodah | we can't just pull it in from pypi? | 18:28 |
| tmckay | jodah, we can. But, Fedora can't | 18:28 |
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| elmiko | jodah: that's fine for dev installs, but if we package sahara for fedora/debian/centos we need packages that can be installed | 18:28 |
| tmckay | jodah, so when RDO comes out, for example, and there is a global requirement for cm_api, what is Fedora going to do with Kilo? | 18:28 |
| tmckay | kill the CDH plugin, probably | 18:29 |
| tmckay | (patch and put it back to optional) | 18:29 |
| elmiko | most distros won't allow packages to be installed from pypi directly | 18:29 |
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| alazarev | elmiko, cloudera is supporting sahara "on words" only, unfortunatelly | 18:29 |
| tosky | "most" == "all" :) | 18:29 |
| elmiko | alazarev: that's too bad | 18:29 |
| elmiko | tosky: exaclty... but i didn't want to discount some crazy bleeding edge distro ;) | 18:29 |
| tmckay | do we as a Sahara community want to package? | 18:30 |
| jodah | so any 3rd party lib used requires an OS specific distro? | 18:30 |
| elmiko | jodah: when it comes to packaging sahara as an official distro release, yes | 18:30 |
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| tmckay | yes, generally there must be an rpm. Different distros may have different rules | 18:30 |
| tmckay | (I'm not sure what ubuntu allows) | 18:30 |
| tosky | tmckay: deb, of course | 18:31 |
| elmiko | jodah: for example, if i want to `yum install openstack-sahara` or `apt-get install sahara` then we need better packaging for 3rd party stuff | 18:31 |
| tmckay | but centos/fedora/rhel, definitely must be an rpm for every dependency | 18:31 |
| tosky | and a distribution-specific package | 18:31 |
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| tmckay | So we need two things: 1) a decision on how we will handle it and 2) the effort to implement the answer to #1 :) | 18:32 |
| elmiko | i think we need to have better engagement with the cloudera folks, not sure how to best handle that, but that's my feeling. | 18:33 |
| tmckay | yes, I agree | 18:33 |
| tosky | on the other side: is it really a problem? Isn't it the same issue for any new dependency on a 3rd-party library for some component? | 18:33 |
| elmiko | is anyone from cloudera here? | 18:33 |
| jodah | tosky that's my thought | 18:34 |
| tmckay | And we need SergeyLukjanov as PTL to comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130153/ | 18:34 |
| elmiko | tosky: yea, it is. but the question is who is going to handle packaging cm_api for RDO, for example. | 18:34 |
| tosky | the concern there is more about python 3 support | 18:34 |
| jodah | i can't imagine that most 3rd party libs are packaged for specific OSs. they go to languages specific repos like pypi | 18:34 |
| tosky | elmiko: RDO packagers :D | 18:34 |
| elmiko | tosky: .... | 18:34 |
| tmckay | "By adding something to OpenStack global-requirements.txt we are basically demanding that Linux Distros package this for the next release of OpenStack. If they already have, great. If not, we should be cautious of adding it" | 18:34 |
| tmckay | that is the quote from the global requirements readme in OpenStack | 18:35 |
| tosky | jodah: not sure I get it: they need native package for the specific distribution, and distribution packagers need to work on them | 18:35 |
| * tmckay looks for the page | 18:35 | |
| elmiko | and really, given the open nature of debian/fedora/ubuntu/centos cloudera could package it if they want to | 18:35 |
| alazarev | elmiko, "if they want to" | 18:35 |
| tmckay | to me, "cautious" means we don't do it for an optional feature in Sahara | 18:35 |
| elmiko | i know from fedora, it's not difficult to get a package included | 18:36 |
| tmckay | until its packaged | 18:36 |
| elmiko | alazarev: but they obviously want it in sahara, so i'm confused. | 18:36 |
| tmckay | it's not central to Sahara itself, only the plugin | 18:36 |
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| elmiko | i think i agree more and more with tmckay original suggestion about clear documentation about how to setup the cdh plugin | 18:36 |
| tmckay | #link https://github.com/openstack/requirements | 18:36 |
| tmckay | at least as step 1, and then maybe step 2 is package | 18:37 |
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| elmiko | we should not include the requirement, but provide a clear path for users wanting to use cdh. at least until someone is willing to create the distro packages for cm_api | 18:37 |
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| tmckay | yes, and then add to global requirements when the packages are done. This is my feeling | 18:38 |
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| elmiko | +2 | 18:38 |
| alazarev | agree with the plan, this is the best we can do | 18:38 |
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| tmckay | alazarev, sreshnetyak? | 18:39 |
| alazarev | +1 | 18:39 |
| tmckay | oh alazarev, sorry :) | 18:39 |
| sreshetnyak | +2 | 18:39 |
| tmckay | should we wait for SergyLukjanov, too? When will he be back? | 18:39 |
| elmiko | agreed, we should definitely talk with SL about this | 18:40 |
| tmckay | hmm, and mattf, he knows a lot about packaging/distros etc | 18:40 |
| elmiko | yea, great point | 18:40 |
| tmckay | k, I can summarize in an email to all cores, how about that? | 18:40 |
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| tmckay | And we can pick it up next week | 18:40 |
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| elmiko | sounds like a #action item to me =) | 18:40 |
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| tmckay | #action tmckay email cores summarizing discussion on cm_api global requirement | 18:41 |
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| tmckay | thanks guys | 18:41 |
| tmckay | good discussion :) | 18:42 |
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| alazarev | anything else to discuss? | 18:43 |
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| tmckay | nothing from me | 18:44 |
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| crobertsrh | nothing here | 18:44 |
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| alazarev | ok, thank you guys then | 18:45 |
| alazarev | #endmeeting | 18:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 20 18:45:21 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-11-20-18.01.html | 18:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-11-20-18.01.txt | 18:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-11-20-18.01.log.html | 18:45 |
| elmiko | alazarev: thanks for chairing | 18:45 |
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| tmckay | bye | 18:45 |
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| amitgandhinz | #startmeeting Poppy Weekly Meeting | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 20 19:00:06 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amitgandhinz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'poppy_weekly_meeting' | 19:00 |
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| amitgandhinz | #topic rollcall | 19:00 |
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| tonytan4ever | o/ | 19:00 |
| edward-fastly | o/ | 19:00 |
| amitgandhinz | who do we have here today? | 19:00 |
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| tonytan4ever | Great we have a fastly guy. | 19:00 |
| edward-fastly | what is up | 19:01 |
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| tonytan4ever | I may have some questions about fastly API. | 19:01 |
| obulpathi | o/ | 19:01 |
| edward-fastly | ok | 19:01 |
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| amitgandhinz | alright, smaller audience today i think | 19:02 |
| amitgandhinz | i know malini is out | 19:02 |
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| amitgandhinz | miqui messaged me before that he wont be able to make it today | 19:02 |
| obulpathi | miqui won't be able to attend | 19:02 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Poppy | 19:03 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Last Week Review | 19:03 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2014/poppy_weekly_meeting.2014-11-13-19.00.html | 19:03 |
| amitgandhinz | not many action items from last week | 19:03 |
| amitgandhinz | megan_w_: did you look into SNI any further? | 19:03 |
| megan_w_ | yes and no | 19:04 |
| megan_w_ | i looked at shared certificates more | 19:04 |
| megan_w_ | akamai supports something called SAN certs | 19:04 |
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| megan_w_ | where multiple customers can share the same certificate, which reduces cost | 19:04 |
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| amitgandhinz | is that kind of like what cloudflare does? | 19:05 |
| edward-fastly | https://docs.fastly.com/guides/ssl/which-ssl-options-are-available-and-how-much-do-they-cost | 19:05 |
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| edward-fastly | SAN is pretty common in our land | 19:05 |
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| megan_w_ | right, the impression i get is that people only shy away for a few reasons.. | 19:05 |
| amitgandhinz | cool | 19:06 |
| megan_w_ | branding: they just don't want people to be able to look up the cert and see other people's names.. | 19:06 |
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| megan_w_ | ..or they have strict complicance rules or something | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | it might be a good way to get a portion of the customers who dont care about that | 19:06 |
| megan_w_ | exactly | 19:06 |
| edward-fastly | we see that, generally only the alexa top 500 type customer | 19:07 |
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| megan_w_ | right | 19:07 |
| megan_w_ | and, as you can see, most providers have significant fees for the setup and maintenance of fully owned certs | 19:07 |
| amitgandhinz | can you do the shared cert with an operator cert in the middle? | 19:08 |
| amitgandhinz | ie user domain -> operator -> cdn provider | 19:08 |
| amitgandhinz | i guess you provision the shared cert at the cdn provider right | 19:08 |
| megan_w_ | i dont think the operator matters | 19:08 |
| megan_w_ | right | 19:08 |
| megan_w_ | long story short, most providers seem to offer something beyond the expensive, fully owned certificate | 19:09 |
| amitgandhinz | so the cname chain doesnt matter | 19:09 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok | 19:09 |
| megan_w_ | i dont think so | 19:09 |
| megan_w_ | also.. | 19:09 |
| megan_w_ | if we're going to provide operators with assistance on logging, we should be prepared to seperate out ssl GBs and reqeusts, since most offer it at a premium | 19:09 |
| megan_w_ | that's all | 19:10 |
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| amitgandhinz | cool | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | im looking forward to digging into this, seems really interesting | 19:10 |
| megan_w_ | seems like SNI is still pretty early | 19:11 |
| megan_w_ | not many providers have it on their roster yet | 19:11 |
| megan_w_ | because of browser support, i assume | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | looks like fastly, and akamai do, and cloud flare | 19:11 |
| edward-fastly | its a small % of XP users on IE i think, real legacy stuff | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | IE is still around =P | 19:11 |
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| amitgandhinz | <sarcasm> | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | ok moving on.... | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | anyone know if malini updated the guidelines for api tests? | 19:12 |
| malini | I didn't | 19:12 |
| malini | :-$ | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | ooh she's back =) | 19:12 |
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| malini | back at the wrong time :D | 19:13 |
| amitgandhinz | #action malini to update guidelines regarding running api tests | 19:13 |
| amitgandhinz | so on that note, i have a patch out there that allows the api tests to run against a docker setup | 19:13 |
| malini | should we put this on hold till the mimic thing is sorted out? | 19:13 |
| amitgandhinz | we'll keep rolling it over. if it comes of the list it will never come back on =P | 19:13 |
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| malini | thanks amitgandhinz for the docker patch | 19:14 |
| malini | will review tht | 19:14 |
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| malini | ok | 19:14 |
| amitgandhinz | 3. obulpathi to learn meetbot | 19:14 |
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| malini | lets start the test | 19:14 |
| amitgandhinz | haha cool | 19:14 |
| obulpathi | will test it out next week | 19:14 |
| obulpathi | if anyone is around :D | 19:14 |
| amitgandhinz | next week is thanksgiving, so we'll see if he can run it haha | 19:14 |
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| obulpathi | oh :( | 19:15 |
| obulpathi | ok | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic bp updates | 19:15 |
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| megan_w_ | amitgandhinz: we should put a note on our meeting page about skipping thanksgiving | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | #link https://launchpad.net/poppy/+milestone/kilo-1 | 19:15 |
| megan_w_ | (for our non-us friends) | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | megan_w_: will do | 19:15 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok ordering that list by delivery..... | 19:16 |
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| amitgandhinz | cpowell: run cassandra at the gate | 19:16 |
| amitgandhinz | cpowell isnt here, but i know he started to look at it | 19:16 |
| amitgandhinz | but ran into some complications, and its back on hold while he works on other priorities | 19:16 |
| amitgandhinz | i'll update the status | 19:17 |
| amitgandhinz | miqui: update home document | 19:17 |
| amitgandhinz | miqui: isnt here but he picked this up today =) | 19:17 |
| malini | with the docker patch, do we still need cassandra at the gate amitgandhinz? | 19:17 |
| amitgandhinz | malini: yes (or it may be docker at teh gate now) | 19:18 |
| malini | docker at the gate will simplify a lot of stuff for us | 19:18 |
| amitgandhinz | yup | 19:18 |
| amitgandhinz | i can update the bp | 19:18 |
| obulpathi | docker is available in Ubuntu repos, so docker way might be easier I think | 19:18 |
| malini | cool..thx! | 19:18 |
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| obulpathi | that way we don't need to add external repos for installing software (cassandra) | 19:19 |
| amitgandhinz | bp updated | 19:19 |
| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: Implement an Akamai driver | 19:19 |
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| tonytan4ever | This one is in good progress as I am implementing the rest of Akamai's functionality. | 19:20 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok, its just purge thats still left right? | 19:20 |
| tonytan4ever | purge is something I am actively working on. | 19:20 |
| tonytan4ever | yes | 19:20 |
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| amitgandhinz | cool | 19:20 |
| amitgandhinz | obulpathi: DNS driver | 19:20 |
| obulpathi | create and delete are done, | 19:21 |
| obulpathi | I am updating the patch for DNS driver | 19:21 |
| obulpathi | and tests for patch | 19:21 |
| obulpathi | DNS patch is for when a user updates the domains (removes / adds) | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | ok | 19:21 |
| obulpathi | DNS driver needs to add or delete the dns mappings | 19:21 |
| malini | obulpathi: do we have patch that adds DNS with create service API call? | 19:21 |
| obulpathi | yes | 19:22 |
| obulpathi | For noe create and delete are working | 19:22 |
| malini | cool..I will pull tht down | 19:22 |
| obulpathi | patch does not work with DNS right now | 19:22 |
| amitgandhinz | ok | 19:22 |
| amitgandhinz | next one is the fastly driver | 19:22 |
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| amitgandhinz | my understanding is that this one is up to date correct? | 19:23 |
| amitgandhinz | i dont have an owner on it though | 19:23 |
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| edward-fastly | need anything ? | 19:23 |
| tonytan4ever | There is a bp of Fastly driver ? | 19:23 |
| amitgandhinz | Implement a fastly driver | 19:23 |
| amitgandhinz | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/fastly-driver | 19:23 |
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| amitgandhinz | was purge implemented for fastly yet? | 19:24 |
| tonytan4ever | OK, I see it. I believe we'll worked on Fastly driver a bit. | 19:24 |
| tonytan4ever | Yes, | 19:24 |
| tonytan4ever | I did that. | 19:24 |
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| amitgandhinz | yeh it should be up to date then | 19:25 |
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| amitgandhinz | im going to mark it as implemented (unless you have objections) | 19:25 |
| tonytan4ever | That's fine for me. | 19:25 |
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| amitgandhinz | or beta available is prob more appropriate | 19:25 |
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| tonytan4ever | Also I am doing the caching rules on Fastly on this one so I don't mind owning it for now. | 19:26 |
| amitgandhinz | ok tonytan4ever: purge content | 19:26 |
| tonytan4ever | That's merged. | 19:26 |
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| amitgandhinz | assigned | 19:26 |
| amitgandhinz | purge status updated | 19:27 |
| tonytan4ever | OK Cool, | 19:27 |
| amitgandhinz | and the last one - tonytan4ever: est restrictions | 19:27 |
| tonytan4ever | That's merged this morning right. | 19:27 |
| amitgandhinz | yup | 19:27 |
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| amitgandhinz | hmm where is teh caching rules bp.... | 19:28 |
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| tonytan4ever | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/caching-rules | 19:28 |
| amitgandhinz | found it | 19:28 |
| amitgandhinz | was assigned to k2 | 19:28 |
| amitgandhinz | moved it to k1 | 19:28 |
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| tonytan4ever | I started it today. | 19:29 |
| amitgandhinz | ok will mark it as started | 19:29 |
| tonytan4ever | sounds good. | 19:29 |
| amitgandhinz | ok moving on to bugs | 19:30 |
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| amitgandhinz | #topic bugs | 19:30 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link https://launchpad.net/poppy/+milestone/kilo-1 | 19:30 |
| amitgandhinz | bottom of the page | 19:30 |
| amitgandhinz | i created a bunch of bugs for the failing api tests | 19:31 |
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| amitgandhinz | i dont think we need to go through these individually | 19:31 |
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| amitgandhinz | does anyone have any comments they want to make regarding the bugs? | 19:32 |
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| malini | no | 19:32 |
| obulpathi | nop | 19:32 |
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| amitgandhinz | #topic New Items | 19:33 |
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| amitgandhinz | no scheduled topics to discuss... | 19:33 |
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| amitgandhinz | #topic Open Discussion | 19:33 |
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| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: you had some fastly questions? | 19:33 |
| tonytan4ever | Questions for edward-fastly: | 19:33 |
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| tonytan4ever | For setting caching rules for fastly, | 19:33 |
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| tonytan4ever | we need to provide a stale ttl | 19:34 |
| edward-fastly | ok | 19:34 |
| tonytan4ever | How does that value relate to ttl ? | 19:34 |
| tonytan4ever | Currently our poppy design specification does not specify stale ttl, | 19:34 |
| tonytan4ever | what would be a appropriate value for that ? | 19:35 |
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| amitgandhinz | what is the difference between ttl and stale_ttl? | 19:35 |
| edward-fastly | In the TTL field, type the normal lifespan of the data in seconds. | 19:35 |
| edward-fastly | In the Stale TTL field, type how long to serve stale data in seconds. | 19:35 |
| edward-fastly | (pasted) - is that not helpful ? | 19:35 |
| edward-fastly | are you asking what a standard approach should be? | 19:36 |
| obulpathi | stale ttl comes into play when the origin is not available, right? | 19:36 |
| edward-fastly | yeah | 19:36 |
| edward-fastly | so you can appear to be up | 19:36 |
| obulpathi | ok | 19:36 |
| tonytan4ever | That is helpful, | 19:36 |
| edward-fastly | helps if you are migrating backends too | 19:36 |
| tonytan4ever | but there is a question for amitgandhinz: when we are setting caching rules, we have to specify a stale ttl in addition to ttl. | 19:37 |
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| tonytan4ever | What would that value be in our case ? Default to 3600 ? | 19:38 |
| amitgandhinz | is stale ttl a common field by other providers? | 19:38 |
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| amitgandhinz | if not, we could say we dont support stale ttl and set it to 0 | 19:38 |
| obulpathi | +1 | 19:38 |
| amitgandhinz | there fore we dont serve stale date | 19:38 |
| tonytan4ever | Not that I know of on Akamai. | 19:38 |
| tonytan4ever | OK | 19:38 |
| tonytan4ever | 0 it is then. | 19:38 |
| obulpathi | Cloudfront, also does not support it | 19:38 |
| amitgandhinz | #agreed lets set stalettl for fastly driver to 0 since poppy does not currently support stale ttls | 19:39 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok, any more questions tonytan4ever? | 19:39 |
| tonytan4ever | No more question from me. | 19:40 |
| amitgandhinz | cool | 19:40 |
| amitgandhinz | anyone else have anything they want to talk about? | 19:40 |
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| obulpathi | nothing from me | 19:41 |
| edward-fastly | im good - since there's no meeting next week please dont hesitate to contact me or michael if there's anything we can help with | 19:41 |
| amitgandhinz | thanks edward-fastly | 19:41 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok in that case lets call it a day | 19:41 |
| amitgandhinz | thanks everyone | 19:41 |
| malini | thank you! | 19:41 |
| tonytan4ever | See you all. | 19:41 |
| obulpathi | :) | 19:41 |
| amitgandhinz | #endmeeting | 19:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 20 19:42:00 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2014/poppy_weekly_meeting.2014-11-20-19.00.html | 19:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2014/poppy_weekly_meeting.2014-11-20-19.00.txt | 19:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2014/poppy_weekly_meeting.2014-11-20-19.00.log.html | 19:42 |
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