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| dhellmann | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 15 16:00:12 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo | 16:00 |
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| dhellmann | who's around for the oslo meeting? | 16:00 |
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| jecarey | o/ | 16:00 |
| ihrachyshka | o/ | 16:00 |
| ozamiatin | o/ | 16:00 |
| i159 | o/ | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:00 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 16:00 |
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| bknudson | hi | 16:01 |
| bnemec | o/ | 16:01 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 16:01 |
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| viktors | o/ | 16:01 |
| rpodolyaka_hungr | o/ | 16:01 |
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| dhellmann | courtesy ping for jd__, dims, flaper87, harlowja,viktors, rpodolyaka1 | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | oops, I missed that viktors and rpodolyaka1 were here, sorry guys | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | #topic Review action items from previous meeting | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review action items from previous meeting (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:02 | |
| dhellmann | #info dhellmann update release instructions after https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136401/ is merged DONE | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo/CreatingANewLibrary | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | #info jd__ to update gerrit dashboard config for oslo and review links in the oslo wiki to add tooz and remove hacking DONE | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140611/ | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | jd__, did you update the link on the wiki page, too? | 16:03 |
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| dhellmann | we'll come back to that | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | #info jd__ prepare a list of projects using memcache libraries directly that will need to be migrated if we recommend a new memcache lib DONE | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | (Keystone in test-requirements and Zaquar in requirements) | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | #info harlowja_at_home to plan a date for a taskflow review sprint DONE | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-December/052688.html | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | please everyone reply to that mailing list thread if you haven't already so we know whether the date will work | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | #info dhellmann send email asking liaisons to prepare list of potential fixtures to be added to libraries and config options used by tests DONE | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-December/052977.html | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | let me know if you have questions about that -- it's not a rush, but we expect the research to take a while so we need to start | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | I need to add some more info to the rewritten project instructions: | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann make sure instructions for creating a new library are up to date with stable requirements jobs | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | I think that's it for old business, unless I missed something? | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | ok, new business then | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | #topic kilo-1 deadline | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | #link https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/kilo-1 | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "kilo-1 deadline (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:06 | |
| dhellmann | We have 2 blueprints with "Good Progress" that I think we can probably finish before the deadline | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | #info tooz-adoption | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo-incubator/+spec/tooz-adoption | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | the final work here is in the global requirements list, right? | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | jd__: ^^ | 16:07 |
| jd__ | looks like it | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | ok, good | 16:07 |
| ihrachyshka | dhellmann: hm, so isn't oslo.context already graduated? :) | 16:07 |
| ihrachyshka | I've already migrated neutron to it :| | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | ihrachyshka: we have a library, but have not finished all of the process | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | releasing the library is not the last step in the process by a long shot | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | #info graduate-oslo-context | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo-incubator/+spec/graduate-oslo-context | 16:08 |
| ihrachyshka | ah, ok, so I haven't failed here, good;) | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | it looks like the last step here is to remove the context code from the incubator | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | I tried working on that last week, and ended up having trouble because of changes to the logging code that needed to be backported | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | rather than do all of that, I propose we wait and remove context and logging from the incubator at the same time | 16:08 |
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| dhellmann | thoughts? | 16:08 |
| bnemec | Sounds reasonable. | 16:09 |
| GheRivero | sounds good | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | the logging graduation turned into a bit of a mess, but with the work dims did on the context library I think we're about ready to get back on track | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | We also have 1 bug in progress for kilo-1 | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | #info oslo apiclient logs sensitive data | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo-incubator/+bug/1328488 | 16:10 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1328488 in oslo-incubator "oslo apiclient logs sensitive data" [Medium,Fix committed] | 16:10 |
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| dhellmann | ah, that is done | 16:10 |
| * dhellmann notes that it is hard to keep the agenda up to date with lp | 16:10 | |
| dhellmann | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:11 | |
| dhellmann | we know we have one ongoing issue | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | #info glance is currently having an issue with the sqlalchemy requirements in the released oslo.db breaking their unit tests | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | #link http://logs.openstack.org/28/139228/9/gate//gate-glance-python27/75d5cb9/console.html#_2014-12-15_10_35_29_889 | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | apparently the problem was caused by the new release of setuptools, which has changed the way it deals with dependencies and versions | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | the glance team also has a security issue they are trying to resolve, so we need to help them find a way to fix this quickly | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | we need to prioritize making a new release of oslo.db with the right version string, but we also want to understand what other changes that will include | 16:11 |
| bknudson | what's wrong with the version string? | 16:12 |
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| dhellmann | viktors, rpodolyaka1 : can we talk right after the meeting? I can cut the release if it's getting late for you there, but I want to make sure I know what's in it before we do that | 16:12 |
| rpodolyaka1 | dhellmann: sure, np | 16:12 |
| viktors | dhellmann: ok, sure | 16:12 |
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| dhellmann | bknudson: the old version string expresses exceptions in several version ranges, and apparently setuptools doesn't like that? I'm not entirely certain. | 16:12 |
| rpodolyaka1 | dhellmann: should be an easy pie. we haven't merged anything big AFAIR | 16:12 |
| clarkb | dhellmann: ya thats basically it | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | rpodolyaka1: ok, that's good to hear | 16:13 |
| bknudson | oh, that was an update to global requirements... just saw that in keystone | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | clarkb: cool, thanks | 16:13 |
| clarkb | dhellmann: bknudson it expresses two ranges >=8.5,<=8.99 and >=0.97,<0.99 | 16:13 |
| bknudson | we were just talking about that last week. | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: yeah, we have the change in oslo.db, but not in a released oslo.db, so... | 16:13 |
| clarkb | except the , is now treated as an AND so logically that doesn't make sense | 16:13 |
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| dhellmann | so we'll get a release out in about 50-60 minutes, it sounds like | 16:14 |
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| ihrachyshka | dhellmann: haven't we capped setuptools version to <8.0? doesn't it help? | 16:14 |
| clarkb | ihrachyshka: we have and it helps most things | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | ihrachyshka: no, that is not what we have | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | oh, sorry, setuptools, yes | 16:14 |
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| dhellmann | I read sqlalchemyt | 16:14 |
| clarkb | ihrachyshka: but only in the gate and only if something doesn't undo the pin | 16:14 |
| clarkb | which it looks like glance's unittests manage to do | 16:14 |
| ihrachyshka | ok, so that's more about 'the right fix' than about 'fixing gate' discussion. | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | it's not a problem to do the release, I just didn't want to do it right before the meeting without having a chance to look at the included changes | 16:15 |
| ihrachyshka | ah, ok, glance specific. sorry for noise. | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | are there any other issues we need to discuss? | 16:15 |
| ihrachyshka | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-December/052972.html | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | (liaisons, please report "none" if you have nothing) | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | none | 16:16 |
| bknudson | no issues in keystone that I know if. | 16:16 |
| GheRivero | ironic: none | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | cinderr | 16:16 |
| ihrachyshka | briefly, neutron was split, and now we wonder how to manage multiple oslo-incubator copies. please comment, maybe in email | 16:16 |
| bnemec | None that I know of for tripleo, but I just got back. | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | ihrachyshka: yes, I'll comment on that email thread after I've had a chance to read through your problem statement | 16:16 |
| ihrachyshka | tnx | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | jungleboyj, does cinder use oslo.concurrency? | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | I'm curious about how the namespace change is going there | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | dhellmann: Ah, I think we just were moving to that. | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | I believe nova has started changing their import statements | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | ah, ok, so you can just use the new name and ignore the old namespace | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | oh, lots of other projects are already using it http://paste.openstack.org/show/151264/ | 16:18 |
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| dhellmann | is everyone working on moving away from using "from oslo.concurrency import" to "from oslo_concurrency import"? | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | dhellmann: Ok, I thought we had moved to that and didn't have major issues. | 16:19 |
| dhellmann | jungleboyj: good, that's what I want to hear :-) | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | dhellmann: That sounds like a todo for me to check on. | 16:20 |
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| dhellmann | ah, ok, yes | 16:20 |
| * dhellmann takes silence from the other liaisons as a lack of issues | 16:20 | |
| * bnemec makes a note too look into aeromancer | 16:20 | |
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| dhellmann | https://github.com/dhellmann/aeromancer | 16:20 |
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| dhellmann | #topic Ongoing work & Review priorities | 16:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ongoing work & Review priorities (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:21 | |
| bnemec | dhellmann: Nice, thanks | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | bnemec: WIP | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | #link https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/next-kilo | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | #link https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/kilo-1 | 16:21 |
| i159 | We have a problem with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126330/ | 16:21 |
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| i159 | sileht has pushed some patches and leaved it as is | 16:22 |
| i159 | now it is down on the two gates | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | #undo | 16:22 |
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| sileht | i159, the patch have some issues, some times rabbitmq drop the connection | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | #undo | 16:22 |
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| dhellmann | #undo | 16:22 |
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| i159 | sileht: Hi! Can you investigate it? | 16:23 |
| dhellmann | is this a problem in a released version of oslo.messaging, with master, or with patches we have not yet merged? | 16:23 |
| i159 | sileht: unfirtunately I have no time to fix it | 16:23 |
| sileht | i159, I have tried, but it's hard to reproduce locally | 16:23 |
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| ozamiatin | dhellmann, havent merged yet | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | ok, good | 16:24 |
| i159 | sileht: maybe we should revert it to a stable version and merge? | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | #topic Ongoing work & Review priorities | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | #link https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/next-kilo | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | #link https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/kilo-1 | 16:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ongoing work & Review priorities (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:24 | |
| * dhellmann apologizes for fiddling with the meeting logs | 16:25 | |
| sileht | i159, the stable version don't works too | 16:25 |
| i159 | sileht: ok, let's discuss later... Thank you | 16:25 |
| sileht | i159, ok thanks | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | I need some reviews on the namespace package changes I'm making | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:bp/drop-namespace-packages,n,z | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | Every time we land a patch in one of these libraries, I have to rebuild my patch by hand to ensure I don't miss anytihng because renaming all of the files ensures there is going to be a merge conflict. Please prioritize reviewing these patches over anything else currently in the review queue. :-) | 16:26 |
| bnemec | ack | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | I've had an especially hard time with oslo.db, oslo.messaging, and oslo.config since those see a lot of other patches | 16:27 |
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| dhellmann | the other libs are quieter, and smaller, so they're easier to handle | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | I've had a few people ask, so I'll mention here that the reason I kept the old tests directly in addition to creating the new one under the new package name is to have a way to test the old namespace API | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | so if you look at the tests, they are mostly copies with imports and mocks changed | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | we will only need to add new tests under oslo_foo/tests but I want to keep the tests/ directory around for now | 16:28 |
| bnemec | That's what I figured, but I wanted to make sure. | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | until we drop the namespace package entirely | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I should have made that clear in the spec or commit message but didn't | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | I would like to get all of the current patches reviewed this week, with the idea that we may be able to cut releases of the libraries next week | 16:29 |
| * dhellmann looks at the calendar | 16:29 | |
| dhellmann | ok, so maybe no release next week, maybe after the holidays | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | but if we can merge the changes, that will give everyone else time to rebase their work | 16:30 |
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| dhellmann | Is anyone else blocked on work we prioritized for this release? | 16:30 |
| ihrachyshka | ok, here is my (opportunistic) attempt to unblock oslo.concurrency for neutron: https://review.openstack.org/141436 | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | ihrachyshka: ah, yes, I'll look at that today. it's good that bnemec is back, too | 16:31 |
| ihrachyshka | tnx | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | bnemec: the quick version of the history there is if we use the config filter then deployers can't use interpolation with configuration options in some cases because the configuration objects can't see to get the value being inserted if it is filtered | 16:32 |
| bnemec | That's weird. | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | but it actually breaks the other way, too, so if filtered_opt is set to $unfiltered_opt the config filter can't find $unfiltered_opt | 16:32 |
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| dhellmann | it's by design, and works great within the application for preventing code from referring to option values it shouldn't, but a deployer doesn't understand why the error tells them the option isn't defined | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | I have a related fix in oslo.config to improve the error message: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140143/ | 16:33 |
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| bnemec | I can understand why the unfiltered opts can't see the filtered opts, but not the other way around. | 16:34 |
| dhellmann | but I think the right solution is to not use the filter until we can make this work | 16:34 |
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| ihrachyshka | dhellmann: and that's what my patch does :) | 16:34 |
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| dhellmann | the filter is wrapped around the main config object, so the filtered options aren't even defined when the unfiltered option is evaluated | 16:34 |
| dhellmann | ihrachyshka: right | 16:34 |
| bnemec | That makes me very sad though. It means the config opts are back to being part of the public api whether we want them to be or not. | 16:35 |
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| dhellmann | we might actually have a similar problem if we define options at runtime, I'll have to check that case | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | bnemec: yeah, it's not great, but I think it just means we built the filter wrong -- we left out this use case | 16:36 |
| dhellmann | deployers shouldn't have to know where options are defined to refer to them -- their config file is "flat" as far as they can tell | 16:36 |
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| bnemec | Yeah | 16:37 |
| dhellmann | bnemec: we could, for example, use option the discovery mechanism for the sample generator to find all options and allow them to be used for interpolation, but not referenced directly in code | 16:37 |
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| dhellmann | I don't know if that would actually work, but something similar might -- maybe filtered options are explicitly registered as "hidden" on the config object being wrapped | 16:38 |
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| bnemec | Yeah, will have to think about it. | 16:38 |
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| dhellmann | right, so in the mean time, we need to drop the filter to support neutron | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | #topic open discussion | 16:39 |
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| dhellmann | is there anything else we need to discuss this week? | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | viktors, rpodolyaka1 : here's what I get for release notes for oslo.db: http://paste.openstack.org/show/151294/ | 16:40 |
| viktors | dhellmann: yes, it should be safe for release | 16:40 |
| dhellmann | viktors: are any of those other fixes important enough to be worth mentioning in the release email? | 16:41 |
| dhellmann | with more detail, I mean | 16:41 |
| dhellmann | some of them are related to python 3, so are you testing under python 3 now, for example? | 16:42 |
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| rpodolyaka1 | it's not voting yet | 16:42 |
| rpodolyaka1 | 1-2 patches left | 16:42 |
| dhellmann | ok | 16:42 |
| viktors | dhellmann: only this, maybe - we are made py3 unittests green ) | 16:42 |
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| dhellmann | we'll hold off on that announcement until it's voting | 16:42 |
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| viktors | dhellmann: agreed | 16:42 |
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| dhellmann | viktors, rpodolyaka1 : I can tag a release right after the meeting, unless one of you wants to do it. I know it's late there. | 16:43 |
| viktors | dhellmann: np, you can move on | 16:44 |
| dhellmann | ok | 16:44 |
| dhellmann | If no one has anything else to discuss, we can stop early so you have a few minutes to review some oslo patches :-) | 16:44 |
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| rpodolyaka1 | :) | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | ok, let's go review, then! | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | thanks, everyone! | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 16:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 15 16:45:48 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-12-15-16.00.html | 16:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-12-15-16.00.txt | 16:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-12-15-16.00.log.html | 16:45 |
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| davidlenwell | #startmeeting refstack | 18:56 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 15 18:56:18 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is davidlenwell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:56 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:56 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 18:56 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 18:57 |
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| davidlenwell | I was a little early.. we'll give folks a few minutes .. | 18:58 |
| davidlenwell | I heard back from rocky.. she probably won't be joining us | 18:59 |
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| zehicle | o/ | 19:02 |
| _0x44 | o/ | 19:02 |
| zehicle | sorry, I've been absent | 19:02 |
| * _0x44 is only here to point at zehicle. | 19:02 | |
| davidlenwell | you're here now .. thats what matters | 19:02 |
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| sslypushenko__ | o/ | 19:02 |
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| rockyg | O/ | 19:03 |
| davidlenwell | yay rocky made it | 19:03 |
| zehicle | _0x44, changing all my action items over to you :) | 19:03 |
| davidlenwell | ha ha | 19:03 |
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| davidlenwell | alright .. lets get started .. | 19:04 |
| davidlenwell | So the first item I'd like to discuss is this.. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132583/ | 19:04 |
| _0x44 | zehicle: :( | 19:04 |
| davidlenwell | hogepodge: that is the review that will fix the problem that we are installing tempest from trunk | 19:04 |
| davidlenwell | I'd like some more reviews on it before we think about merging | 19:05 |
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| davidlenwell | sadly I think catherine is out until jan 5 | 19:05 |
| davidlenwell | is hogepodge and I can give it a good once over I think we can get it to a mergable place before then. | 19:06 |
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| sslypushenko__ | I tested it on containers with Ubuntu, Centos and Fedora, but additional testinf will be good | 19:06 |
| hogepodge | added to the top of my list | 19:07 |
| davidlenwell | thanks hogepodge | 19:07 |
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| davidlenwell | about half my other agenda items are dependant on ibm employees to which catherine has been the conduit .. so I'll table them till I hear back from her. | 19:08 |
| davidlenwell | lets go ahead and talk about our plans for a mid-cycle meetup in january | 19:08 |
| davidlenwell | #topic mid-cycle meetup | 19:10 |
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| davidlenwell | I'd like to do a 2-3 day kind of a thing.. rockyg you previously mentioned you could get us space? | 19:10 |
| rockyg | Oh darn.forgot to talk to boss but don't see a problem with housing and lunch. | 19:11 |
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| davidlenwell | so there is an action item for rockyg then | 19:11 |
| rockyg | We should announce on mailing list in case others want to participate. | 19:11 |
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| hogepodge | rockyg If we want to order in for lunch I have a commitment for funding for that. | 19:12 |
| rockyg | S/housing/hosting | 19:12 |
| davidlenwell | maybe we can do cafateria lunch and use your funding hogepodge for a dinner ? | 19:12 |
| rockyg | Kewl. It's a backup plan | 19:12 |
| rockyg | That would work, too | 19:13 |
| davidlenwell | awesome | 19:13 |
| rockyg | Dates? | 19:13 |
| hogepodge | I'll have to check on dinner. | 19:13 |
| zehicle | when | 19:13 |
| davidlenwell | mid january | 19:13 |
| zehicle | when is the tempest meetup? can that be coordinated w/ this? | 19:13 |
| zehicle | since that seems gating | 19:13 |
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| rockyg | That would be great. | 19:14 |
| hogepodge | I am on travel 18th - 23rd | 19:14 |
| davidlenwell | same | 19:14 |
| davidlenwell | 18-25th | 19:14 |
| davidlenwell | maybe 14-16 | 19:14 |
| davidlenwell | would be good dates | 19:15 |
| davidlenwell | or earier in that week | 19:15 |
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| rockyg | Okay by me | 19:15 |
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| davidlenwell | any objections to those dates? | 19:15 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle: it would be awesome if you could make it | 19:16 |
| rockyg | When is tempest mid cycle? | 19:16 |
| hogepodge | I prefer 12-14, but 14-16 works for me too. | 19:16 |
| davidlenwell | okay | 19:16 |
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| davidlenwell | _0x44 thinks the southbay is mexico .. so he may not attend ;) | 19:16 |
| davidlenwell | I think we have enough to do indipendant of their meetup | 19:17 |
| zehicle | I'll see what I can do. Would love to do it but... | 19:17 |
| davidlenwell | as long as we aren't conflicting I think it shouldn't matter | 19:17 |
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| * zehicle has to make plans in case I don't make it to the board | 19:18 | |
| sslypushenko__ | What about Mirantis team? May we can attend meetup remotely? | 19:18 |
| hogepodge | there is no tempest mid-cycle meetup this time around. | 19:19 |
| rockyg | We should be able to arrange a feed. Skype or hangout or something | 19:19 |
| rockyg | Kewl.maybe we can get a qa rep to come | 19:19 |
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| sslypushenko__ | Video records would be good | 19:20 |
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| davidlenwell | yeah .. for sure .. ghang for the win | 19:20 |
| davidlenwell | we'll plan an agenda leading up to the event | 19:20 |
| davidlenwell | okay .. next topic | 19:21 |
| sslypushenko__ | I guess your time will not be comfortable for us to join you directly ( | 19:21 |
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| davidlenwell | #topic uuid in tempest spec | 19:22 |
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| _0x44 | The South Bay isn't Mexico, it's just slightly north of Mexico. :) | 19:22 |
| davidlenwell | So I'm reworking my original spec to include the meta data in both decorators and doc string | 19:24 |
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| davidlenwell | I have a feeling some bike shedding will happen once I submit it for review.. | 19:24 |
| hogepodge | Can we get a draft up in gerrit? I think it's important we we get this out in the open. I'm very worried about the delays. | 19:24 |
| davidlenwell | int he mean time we need to land the tagged release review that is out right now so we have a static test path to keep track of | 19:24 |
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| davidlenwell | hogepodge: I'll throw it at gerrit | 19:25 |
| hogepodge | ty | 19:25 |
| sslypushenko__ | I think decorator - is more preferable | 19:25 |
| hogepodge | I think mtreinish and sdague are debating this right now in #openstack-qa | 19:25 |
| davidlenwell | hogepodge: said that mtreinish said he wants both | 19:25 |
| sslypushenko__ | I finished prototype with docstrings - I looks not very good | 19:26 |
| rockyg | Hogepodge, I think you're right. | 19:27 |
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| rockyg | They're talking sphinx | 19:27 |
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| hogepodge | oh yeah, I see. | 19:28 |
| davidlenwell | I'm joining their conversation about this in qa | 19:29 |
| _0x44 | Why not something like: https://gist.github.com/ChristopherMacGown/d3f02c1cb2e115cf2ed6 ? | 19:29 |
| hogepodge | Yes, both places, with validation to make sure they're consistent. | 19:29 |
| rockyg | Ah, Davidlenwell is time sharing | 19:29 |
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| davidlenwell | _0x44: thats essentially the plan | 19:30 |
| _0x44 | davidlenwell: Right, but the plan is to put it into docstring | 19:30 |
| davidlenwell | lets stop bikeshedding on this issue right now and lets work it out with qa .. | 19:30 |
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| davidlenwell | we cannot decide this without them | 19:30 |
| rockyg | ++ | 19:30 |
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| davidlenwell | I'm going to spend some time talking to them this afternoon and we'll come up with the thing.. I'll put it in the spec I've already started and throw it at the wall later today | 19:32 |
| hogepodge | This is why the spec needs to be up for comment. | 19:32 |
| davidlenwell | agreed | 19:32 |
| sslypushenko__ | +1 | 19:32 |
| davidlenwell | we'll get it there today | 19:32 |
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| davidlenwell | everything else I wanted to talk about depends on people who are not here.. so lets go into pending open reviews | 19:33 |
| hogepodge | I'd like to open up the topic for refstack ui and api | 19:34 |
| davidlenwell | sslypushenko__: the plan is for hogepodge and I to review your tempest tag review today and land it if its ready | 19:34 |
| sslypushenko__ | Good! | 19:34 |
| hogepodge | Just to get a sense of what we need to get that in a deployable place, even if the implementors aren't here. | 19:34 |
| davidlenwell | hogepodge: okay.. the plan was to pass off the development of the api to one of catherines underlings | 19:34 |
| davidlenwell | we just need someone to spend a week on it | 19:34 |
| zehicle | I've been gone. I'd love to hear status updates on client, API too | 19:35 |
| davidlenwell | I have a good start and the spec is clear | 19:35 |
| zehicle | sslypushenko__, did good work on visualizations | 19:35 |
| davidlenwell | but I have not had the bandwidth to finish it | 19:35 |
| sslypushenko__ | Thx | 19:35 |
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| davidlenwell | the missing piece is the data collection | 19:35 |
| davidlenwell | and hosting it | 19:35 |
| hogepodge | davidlenwell link to the spec? | 19:35 |
| davidlenwell | its in the repo | 19:35 |
| sslypushenko__ | Yep, We need API thing move forward | 19:35 |
| davidlenwell | https://github.com/stackforge/refstack/blob/master/specs/approved/api-v1.md | 19:36 |
| davidlenwell | minus the event handing methods | 19:36 |
| sslypushenko__ | May Vlad and I can help you with API | 19:36 |
| sslypushenko__ | ? | 19:36 |
| davidlenwell | I'll make that another action item for me today | 19:36 |
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| hogepodge | as far as hosting goes, we can do it, but the faulty UI needs to be removed. As is we can't run it in the namespace | 19:36 |
| davidlenwell | of course .. that would be great sslypushenko__ | 19:36 |
| davidlenwell | hogepodge: all the ui needs to be removed from the refstack repo | 19:37 |
| davidlenwell | with the exception of the score card | 19:37 |
| davidlenwell | as that will be an api call | 19:37 |
| sslypushenko__ | Good, let talk about it in refstack channel later | 19:37 |
| davidlenwell | great | 19:37 |
| davidlenwell | I'll update the spec and pass development of that piece off to the marantis folks | 19:37 |
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| davidlenwell | hogepodge: the refstack website itself I've got a single page info thing written and done.. I just need a place to put it | 19:38 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle and rockyg and I worked on copy at the summit | 19:38 |
| hogepodge | Ok, is it in gerrit? | 19:39 |
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| rockyg | I'll give it one last pass. | 19:39 |
| davidlenwell | no .. we have to decide where it would go in gerrit | 19:39 |
| zehicle | even a static page would let us get the process running | 19:39 |
| davidlenwell | exactly its all we need | 19:39 |
| zehicle | since we could test changes to it via gerrit | 19:39 |
| davidlenwell | we just need to work out how we're hosting a single page website .. and how that sits in with the api | 19:39 |
| davidlenwell | I'd like api.refstack.org to be different from www.refstack.org which will host this single page | 19:40 |
| davidlenwell | and right now they are all kinda mixed up into the same flask app that joshua mkkenty wrote while drunk | 19:40 |
| rockyg | Hmm.flask, drunk...... | 19:41 |
| davidlenwell | So .. sslypushenko__ when we make the new api.. I'd like to just ditch flask all together and make a pecan api like all the other projects have.. then we have have a "static" folder that has the static website folders in it. | 19:41 |
| davidlenwell | lets discuss that in detail in #refstack later today when you are ready | 19:42 |
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| zehicle | new api? | 19:42 |
| davidlenwell | the v1 api | 19:42 |
| zehicle | ok | 19:42 |
| sslypushenko__ | We can start right now) | 19:42 |
| sslypushenko__ | pecan - is not bad choose) | 19:42 |
| davidlenwell | right after the meeting jump in #refstack with me and I'll get you started | 19:42 |
| sslypushenko__ | ok | 19:43 |
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| davidlenwell | hogepodge: does this plan of action sound good? | 19:43 |
| hogepodge | Yes. | 19:44 |
| davidlenwell | cool .. | 19:44 |
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| rockyg | +1 | 19:44 |
| davidlenwell | any other items that need discussion? | 19:44 |
| hogepodge | I've put together a rough timeline of where we need to be for testing production deployments. | 19:44 |
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| rockyg | Where is it? It'd like to review. | 19:45 |
| hogepodge | I'm scheduling client and api work to be done by end of January so that we can spend February making sure the tests are sound. | 19:45 |
| hogepodge | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-timeline | 19:46 |
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| rockyg | Thanks | 19:47 |
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| hogepodge | That's about it for me. | 19:49 |
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| davidlenwell | okay .. rockyg lets try to see if you can nail down a commitment for a room for january | 19:51 |
| davidlenwell | we'll check in on that next week | 19:51 |
| rockyg | Will do.I'll work on it today. | 19:52 |
| davidlenwell | excelent | 19:52 |
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| davidlenwell | `see you guys next time.. sslypushenko__ lets talk api in channel | 19:55 |
| rockyg | Bye! | 19:55 |
| davidlenwell | #endmeeting | 19:55 |
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| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 15 20:00:06 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
| reaperhulk | Let's get this party started | 20:00 |
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| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:00 |
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| rellerreller | o/ | 20:00 |
| reaperhulk | _o/ \o/ \o_ | 20:00 |
| elmiko | o/ | 20:00 |
| hockeynut | o/ | 20:00 |
| jaosorior | 0/ | 20:00 |
| chellygel | .__./ | 20:01 |
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| redrobot | as usual the agenda can be found here: | 20:01 |
| SheenaG11 | o/ | 20:01 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican | 20:01 |
| jvrbanac | o/ | 20:01 |
| woodster_ | o/ | 20:01 |
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| redrobot | Awesome, lots of barbicaneers here today :) | 20:02 |
| redrobot | #topic Barbican mid-cycle meetup | 20:02 |
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| redrobot | We finally have a date/location for the mid-cycle meetup | 20:03 |
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| jaosorior | excellent | 20:03 |
| hockeynut | (please be Tahiti) | 20:03 |
| redrobot | we'll be meeting in Austin, TX on February 16-18 | 20:03 |
| tkelsey | o/ sorry im late | 20:03 |
| SheenaG11 | +1 to Tahiti | 20:03 |
| redrobot | at Capital Factory in Downtown Austin | 20:03 |
| greghaynes | oooo | 20:03 |
| alee | o/ | 20:03 |
| hockeynut | my #2 choice | 20:03 |
| greghaynes | redrobot: is there somewhere people need to sign up? | 20:03 |
| woodster_ | SheenaG11 approved us for Tahiti!!! | 20:04 |
| redrobot | greghaynes great question. I'll set up a Google form so people can RSVP | 20:04 |
| redrobot | I'll be sending the details to openstack-dev after this meeting. | 20:04 |
| greghaynes | Awesome | 20:04 |
| jaosorior | I still think it would e a good idea to try to convince the OSSG to align | 20:04 |
| rellerreller | Is it just Barbican or will OSSG or Keystone be meeting as well? | 20:04 |
| woodster_ | Austin would be fine if that Tahiti thing falls thru | 20:04 |
| jaosorior | as far as I remember, the keystone one will be in SA, in January | 20:05 |
| redrobot | jaosorior agreed | 20:05 |
| redrobot | rellerreller Barbican only for now. | 20:05 |
| redrobot | We were trying to get some space in SF for an OSSG/Barbican meetup, but unfortunately SF did not work out for us | 20:05 |
| SheenaG11 | woodster_: just checked my bank account - Austin it is! | 20:06 |
| redrobot | I'm hoping OSSG will schedule on/around the same dates as us so people interested in both can fly over the weekend. | 20:06 |
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| redrobot | rellerreller Keystone is meeting in San Antonio in late January | 20:06 |
| rellerreller | redrobot thanks | 20:06 |
| jaosorior | don't think I can go to two mid-cycles | 20:07 |
| jaosorior | so I guess barbican it is | 20:07 |
| reaperhulk | good, we're cooler anyway jaosorior | 20:07 |
| hockeynut | + oo | 20:07 |
| jaosorior | but anyway, anybody from OSSG around here? | 20:07 |
| chellygel | austin is more your speed i think jaosorior... plenty of bars for great meetings :P | 20:07 |
| jaosorior | >_> | 20:07 |
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| jaosorior | <_< | 20:07 |
| jaosorior | chellygel: And it's closer to México, so I can probably get awesome mexican food too :P | 20:08 |
| hockeynut | We have a great place called Taco Bell...you'll love it. | 20:08 |
| greghaynes | Hey, theres taco cabana too :p | 20:08 |
| redrobot | heh | 20:09 |
| redrobot | any questions/comments? | 20:09 |
| jaosorior | hockeynut: http://musicforsunday.com/images/grumpy-cat-no.jpg | 20:09 |
| jaosorior | :P | 20:09 |
| hockeynut | <snicker> | 20:09 |
| redrobot | ok then, moving on | 20:09 |
| jaosorior | Anyway, I guess we gotta let know the OSSG people. Maybe we can still get them to align | 20:09 |
| redrobot | jaosorior yep... i'll try to make their weekly meeting on Thursday to see what the plan will be | 20:10 |
| tkelsey | jaosorior: the OSSG would like to align if possible | 20:10 |
| jaosorior | nice | 20:10 |
| jaosorior | anyway | 20:11 |
| jaosorior | so what's next? any other topic? | 20:11 |
| redrobot | #topic Kilo Milestone 1 | 20:11 |
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| redrobot | This week is Kilo Milestone 1 week | 20:11 |
| jaosorior | O_O | 20:12 |
| redrobot | #link https://launchpad.net/barbican/+milestone/kilo-1 | 20:12 |
| redrobot | jaosorior is there any more work outstanding for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/barbican/+spec/replace-concept-of-tenants-for-projects | 20:13 |
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| jaosorior | yes, I'm working on it | 20:13 |
| jaosorior | today I was actually talking to wooster_ about it | 20:13 |
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| redrobot | jaosorior ok, sounds like we may want to bump the BP to Kilo-2 ? | 20:13 |
| jaosorior | I'll do my best to land it as soon as possible | 20:14 |
| jaosorior | but I was giving priority to bugs | 20:14 |
| jaosorior | so I took another one | 20:14 |
| redrobot | right on. no rush. I just want to make sure the k1 stuff is accurate. | 20:14 |
| jaosorior | what should I prioritize then? the CR or landing the bug that I took? | 20:14 |
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| jaosorior | I mean, the blueprint (not CR) | 20:14 |
| redrobot | jaosorior whatever is easier for you | 20:14 |
| redrobot | the plan is to have everything we want in K1 land by tomorrow | 20:15 |
| redrobot | I'll be sending Thierry the SHA of the K1 release tomorrow evening. | 20:15 |
| jaosorior | tomorrow? | 20:15 |
| jaosorior | yeah, I think bumping it to Kilo-2 would be appropriate | 20:15 |
| redrobot | jaosorior ok, will do. | 20:15 |
| redrobot | I'll keep an eye on bugfixes coming in | 20:17 |
| redrobot | and add them to K1 as appropriate | 20:17 |
| jaosorior | I commited a simple one today | 20:17 |
| jaosorior | I think bug fixing should be prioritized, in general | 20:17 |
| redrobot | jaosorior I think I added that to k1 already... | 20:17 |
| redrobot | jaosorior I agree | 20:17 |
| redrobot | I think we definitely want to get into the habit of short bugfix turnarounds | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | any more questions/comments about Milestone 1 ? | 20:18 |
| woodster_ | Bumping code coverage would be nice too when possible | 20:19 |
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| jaosorior | woodster_: indeedo | 20:20 |
| redrobot | that's all I have on the agenda for today | 20:20 |
| redrobot | are there any other topics we would like to discuss? | 20:20 |
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| jaosorior | nothing I can think of | 20:20 |
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| redrobot | #topic Content-Types | 20:21 |
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| redrobot | Just a reminder to take a look at rellerreller's etherpad | 20:21 |
| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-formats-discussion | 20:21 |
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| rellerreller | I submitted a spec for prepub. I'm hoping it will be out before the holidays. | 20:22 |
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| hyakuhei | rellerreller: how long does that normally take ? | 20:22 |
| rellerreller | Feel free to comment on the etherpad as well, if you like | 20:22 |
| greghaynes | oh, theres a spec up now? | 20:22 |
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| rellerreller | hyakuhei Anywhere from 2 - 110 days | 20:22 |
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| rellerreller | I'm hoping for 4 days | 20:23 |
| hyakuhei | heh | 20:23 |
| rellerreller | greghaynes No, there is no spec posted now. There should be one before the holidays | 20:23 |
| greghaynes | ah, gotcha | 20:23 |
| redrobot | ok, guys. If there's nothing else we want to talk about, we can call it an early day. | 20:26 |
| alee | thanks all for getting cert bps landed .. | 20:26 |
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| alee | working on initial framework patches to be out hopefully by end of week. | 20:27 |
| redrobot | alee sounds good! | 20:28 |
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| woodster_ | keep reviewing BPs! | 20:28 |
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| alee | yes please! | 20:28 |
| redrobot | woodster_ +1000 | 20:28 |
| woodster_ | it would be good to land them this week (including rellerreller's almost-bp) :) | 20:29 |
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| redrobot | heh... nice netsplit | 20:32 |
| redrobot | thanks everyone who is still here for coming out | 20:32 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:32 |
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