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| yongilhe | hi, | 13:01 |
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| irenab | hi | 13:01 |
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| baoli | #startmeeting PCI passthrough | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 16 13:01:49 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is baoli. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| sadasu | Hello | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: PCI passthrough)" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'pci_passthrough' | 13:01 |
| baoli | Hi | 13:01 |
| jchapman | Hey | 13:02 |
| beagles | o/ | 13:02 |
| moshele | hi | 13:02 |
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| baoli | Shall we focus on the bps/specs today? | 13:02 |
| sadasu | ok | 13:02 |
| yongilhe | yeah | 13:02 |
| shaohe_feng | hi | 13:02 |
| baoli | shaohe_feng: looking at your spec now | 13:03 |
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| shaohe_feng | baoli: thank you. | 13:03 |
| baoli | shaohe_feng: your use case description is pretty interesting. | 13:03 |
| shaohe_feng | baoli: jaypipes help me to improve it. :) | 13:04 |
| irenab | I would like to introduce moshele, who is going to work on SRIOV related issues as well | 13:04 |
| moshele | hi, everyone | 13:05 |
| baoli | moshele: Hi, welcome. full name? | 13:05 |
| moshele | Moshe Levi | 13:05 |
| yongilhe | hi, moshele | 13:05 |
| shaohe_feng | moshele: hi. welcome. I'm also a fresher. :) | 13:05 |
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| moshele | shaohe_feng: :) | 13:06 |
| itzikb | moshele: welcome :-) | 13:06 |
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| sadasu | welcome moshele | 13:06 |
| baoli | Looks like that we need +2s for our specs. | 13:06 |
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| jchapman | Hi baoli: can you have a look at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/sriov-sched-with-stateless-offloads | 13:07 |
| yongilhe | baoli, this is..., how we get foucs, | 13:07 |
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| baoli | jchapman, ok, looking | 13:08 |
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| irenab | There is one more topic we must address: neutron split that happens during Kilo | 13:08 |
| baoli | jchapman, I saw you added more stuff in the testing section. | 13:09 |
| jchapman_ | baoli: He just a little detail on testing, Sean wanted it | 13:09 |
| jchapman_ | I also opened a RFE on libvirt | 13:09 |
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| baoli | jchapman_: looks good to me. will +1. What's the RFE on libvirt about? | 13:10 |
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| baoli | jchapman_: what's the libvirt RFE? | 13:12 |
| jchapman | baoli: sorry i got kicked out. The RFE is from a comment from sahid | 13:12 |
| jchapman | baoli: Its not a bug its more a feature request, but we are working on the patch fro this now | 13:13 |
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| baoli | jchapman: I see. | 13:14 |
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| baoli | jchapman_: one more question. Given that the sriov properties are specified with the image, so .0 means the first sriov port as specified in the order of --nic arguments? | 13:15 |
| jchapman | baoli: exactly | 13:15 |
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| baoli | jchapman, thinking about the way it's specified, would it open a door to declare a sriov port in the image, something like: port.0=sriov, caps, etc? | 13:17 |
| baoli | irenab, can we discuss that in a bit? | 13:17 |
| irenab | baoli: ok | 13:17 |
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| jchapman | baoli, irendb, sure, lets chat later | 13:17 |
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| yongilhe | irenab, boli, and all, how could get focus, bp deadline is soon.. | 13:19 |
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| irenab | For neutron the deadline was yesterday | 13:19 |
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| yongilhe | irenab, en, i know, do you have bp approved? | 13:20 |
| irenab | I am not sure what is the status of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138753/, it did not get either +2 nor -2 yet | 13:20 |
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| irenab | the SR-IOV traffic rate was rejected to L release | 13:21 |
| baoli | jchapman: sorry, I was referring to Irenab's earlier request for neutron split discussion after asking you that question about sriov port. | 13:21 |
| jchapman | baoli: ok no prob | 13:21 |
| irenab | so about the split... | 13:22 |
| irenab | neutron drivers team approved the split between neutron as integration platform and neutron backends | 13:22 |
| baoli | irenab: seems like that there will be exceptions. So we may want to reach for the cores. | 13:23 |
| irenab | including ML2 mechanism drivers | 13:23 |
| yongilhe | small repos means more core to review the feature, this might be good thing. | 13:23 |
| irenab | which means that neutron MD/plugin code should be hosted out of the neutron tree (stackforge) | 13:23 |
| sadasu | irenab: the ML has some activity on how diff drivers are trying to do their split | 13:24 |
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| irenab | We still need to see if Ml2 as sub-community wants to host all MDs together, but according to started efforts for ODL and Arista drivers seems that everyone goes by itself | 13:24 |
| irenab | I think that here we can decide what makes sense for us and suggest it | 13:25 |
| sadasu | for ML2 drivers I think there is some discussion on what remains in tree and what goes out | 13:25 |
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| sadasu | irenab: as I understand, yes, every driver is going with a seperate repo | 13:26 |
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| irenab | So seems that we should take the SRIOV MD out and maintain it at stackforge | 13:27 |
| baoli | irenab: the common one? | 13:27 |
| irenab | baoli: I think we should decide what is the most reasonable way to do it | 13:28 |
| sadasu | baoli: no choice in that matter..yes common one goes out too | 13:28 |
| sadasu | irenab: are you suggesting that the common sr-iov mech driver should stay in tree? | 13:28 |
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| irenab | for example there is a proposal for OVS-DPDK MD, it is also not vendor specific but technology specific | 13:28 |
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| baoli | irenab, does that remain in tree? | 13:29 |
| irenab | but making it repository at stackforge has its implications, i.e. who is responsible to vote +2 and apporve code that lands there | 13:29 |
| irenab | baoli: not | 13:29 |
| baoli | irenab, that is what I'm thinking. | 13:30 |
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| irenab | the split process is described here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141171/ | 13:30 |
| sadasu | irenab: I know it will not be the neutron cores :-) | 13:30 |
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| irenab | sadasu: its up to maintainer to set this | 13:31 |
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| sadasu | irenab: I have read this spec several times | 13:31 |
| sadasu | it appears that each (stackforge) repo can decide who it wants to give +2 rights to | 13:32 |
| sadasu | ireanb: yes...agreed | 13:32 |
| irenab | So with regards to SR-IOV MD, I guess this team is actually the right people to become maintainers for this MD, but maybe we need to consider wider scope | 13:33 |
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| baoli | irenab, by wider scope, you mean? | 13:34 |
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| irenab | baoli: generic MDs (not vendor specific) repo | 13:34 |
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| irenab | I would suggest to discuss it also tomorrow at ML2 meeting and then decide which way to make the split | 13:35 |
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| sadasu | we should discuss this at the ml2 meeting | 13:35 |
| sadasu | it might be possible to still be able to inherit from this generic MD even if it is in a seperate repo | 13:36 |
| irenab | There are already examples on how to make the split started by some vendor, so technically it should not be too complicated | 13:36 |
| baoli | irenab, so what's your proposal? | 13:37 |
| irenab | sadasu: Maybe it makes sense to keep some MDs together and try to reuse code or maybe refactor the code to have some basic code in tree | 13:37 |
| irenab | baoli: Actually, I am a bit confused right now. One thing for sure, we cannot keep the code in tree | 13:38 |
| sadasu | keeping it in tree might be hard to convince...you can try | 13:38 |
| sadasu | we can still get organized out of tree | 13:39 |
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| baoli | irenab, ok. I'm kind of struggling as well. The MD is not a big chunk of code. And it needs to be maintained separately. | 13:39 |
| irenab | so we can start the split, give all relevant people voting rights and see what should be done next | 13:39 |
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| baoli | does that mean: generic MD goes to a repo, and vendor MDs goes to separate repos. | 13:40 |
| irenab | baoli: agree, just for exmple if sadsu wanted to reuse it, it maybe more complicated now | 13:40 |
| irenab | baoli: this is waht I would like to discuss with ML2 team | 13:41 |
| baoli | irenab, so let's bring it up in that meeting. | 13:41 |
| irenab | so lets see waht will be ML2 subteam suggestion and then decide what to do | 13:42 |
| baoli | how is this going to be hooked up with devstack? If I want to use a MD, the devstack has to download from various repos. | 13:42 |
| irenab | baoli: yes. I think moshele already checked how this can be done | 13:43 |
| baoli | irenab, that sounds good. | 13:43 |
| sadasu | baoli: yes corresponding devstack changes have to be made too | 13:43 |
| irenab | Shall we move to the next topics? | 13:44 |
| baoli | but the thing is that devstack becomes vendor specific, right? | 13:44 |
| irenab | baoli: I do not think so, you canjust point what repos to download | 13:45 |
| baoli | irenab, how about vendor specific config? | 13:45 |
| sadasu | currently that stays in tree | 13:46 |
| sadasu | and the verndor specific db changes | 13:46 |
| irenab | baoli: and extensions also | 13:46 |
| baoli | irenab, sadasu: ok | 13:47 |
| irenab | baoli: it is going to be a challange ... | 13:47 |
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| baoli | alright, any other topics? otherwise, can we go back to the question that I asked earlier on the image associated sriov properties? | 13:48 |
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| irenab | no other topic for me | 13:49 |
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| yongilhe | neutron going to be scatter, will this mean sriov featrue we are doing is high possible to delay? | 13:50 |
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| irenab | yonglihe: can you please clarify your question? | 13:51 |
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| yongilhe | irenab, i.e, your bp, been impact most likely | 13:51 |
| yongilhe | until split is done? | 13:51 |
| irenab | seems that neutron priories for Kilo mostly around refactor and split everything | 13:52 |
| yongilhe | irenab, yeah i concern this, this mean we might can not get focus, casue big change happenning | 13:53 |
| sadasu | yongilhe: this is neutron specific, so Nova should be unaffected | 13:54 |
| irenab | yonglihe: yes, but maybe further we can move much faster if no infra change will be required | 13:54 |
| yongilhe | irenab, i also think this is a good thing somehow, | 13:55 |
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| yongilhe | i hope nova get split also | 13:55 |
| yongilhe | it's much bigger than neutron, schduler is on going. | 13:55 |
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| irenab | yonglihe: for nova seems the direction is exactly the opposite. For vif_drivers was strong objection to allow out of tree support | 13:56 |
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| yongilhe | baoli, irenab, i also had a rough idea, the sriov tag, physical network might don't needed, if neutron had interface mapping, can use to inject property to pci devices. | 13:57 |
| irenab | younglihe: you should be aware of split for CI to keep running | 13:57 |
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| yongilhe | irenab, thanks remind this. | 13:58 |
| baoli | yongilhe, can you be specific on interface mapping? | 13:58 |
| yongilhe | baoli, we had configration for vlan: mapping: phynet1:eth1 something like this | 13:59 |
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| yongilhe | then, we can inject or query neutro to get the pci device informations to nova, | 13:59 |
| irenab | yonglihe: this is for neutron agent | 13:59 |
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| irenab | yonglihe: lets discuss it next meeting | 14:00 |
| yongilhe | irenab, yeah, anyway, we had redundent information about this | 14:00 |
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| irenab | yonglihe: agree | 14:00 |
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| yongilhe | this might could be elimated somehow, let's going on next time. | 14:00 |
| baoli | yongilhe: we had discussion on this earlier, I remember. So let's keep looking at it. | 14:01 |
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| baoli | thanks everyone | 14:01 |
| yongilhe | thanks, | 14:01 |
| irenab | thanks | 14:01 |
| moshele | thanks | 14:01 |
| sadasu | thanks | 14:01 |
| baoli | #endmeeting | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 16 14:01:46 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-12-16-13.01.html | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-12-16-13.01.txt | 14:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-12-16-13.01.log.html | 14:01 |
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| sc68cal | Hello everyone | 14:58 |
| ihrachyshka | hey | 14:59 |
| sc68cal | #startmeeting neutron_ipv6 | 14:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 16 14:59:50 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_ipv6)" | 14:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ipv6' | 14:59 |
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| xuhanp_ | hi | 15:00 |
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| aveiga | hello | 15:00 |
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| rprakash | I saw IPv6 IPAM approval by Kyle yesterday | 15:01 |
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| sc68cal | rprakash: link? | 15:01 |
| dane_leblanc | rprakash: Subnet allocation for IPAM? | 15:01 |
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| rprakash | Neutron IPAM | 15:02 |
| rprakash | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/neutron-ipam | 15:02 |
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| rprakash | He had put high and later changed to Medium Priority | 15:03 |
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| sc68cal | Looks like the IPv6 impact section of that spec is a little short, so we'll need to keep an eye on the work | 15:03 |
| rprakash | OK sean go with the agenda planned | 15:04 |
| xuhanp_ | sc68cal, I thought prefix delegation is the IPv6 IPAM part. | 15:04 |
| sc68cal | xuhanp_: it probably touches the same areas, along with the subnet allocation spec | 15:04 |
| xuhanp_ | I see. Thanks for the clarification | 15:05 |
| sc68cal | xuhanp_: no problem | 15:05 |
| dane_leblanc | Prefix delegation will need to make the other IPAMs aware of assignments, I think | 15:05 |
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| sc68cal | #topic specs | 15:05 |
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| sc68cal | dane_leblanc: most likely, but since we didn't get anything in for K we'll have to keep an eye on some of this work and make sure we can use it when we get PD accepted | 15:06 |
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| dane_leblanc | sc68cal: right | 15:06 |
| rprakash | Can you elaborate prefix delegation in lfe cycle part or technology? | 15:06 |
| aveiga | I have a question regarding specs and policy: is it acceptable to submit a spec without an assignee? | 15:06 |
| sc68cal | rprakash: check out the spec in neutron-specs - it is under review | 15:07 |
| sc68cal | aveiga: It is probably bad | 15:07 |
| sc68cal | you'll get a -1 most likely | 15:07 |
| sc68cal | dane_leblanc: I see that the multiple prefix spec landed, congrats | 15:07 |
| dane_leblanc | sc68cal: Thanks. Still a few more patches pending for code. | 15:08 |
| rprakash | Also note target is K-3 | 15:08 |
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| sc68cal | dane_leblanc: I also ran into a bug that I'm hoping your code can fix - https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1401728 | 15:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1401728 in neutron "Routing updates lost when multiple IPs attached to router" [Medium,Confirmed] | 15:09 |
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| sc68cal | since that's blocking dual stack testing at the gate | 15:09 |
| sc68cal | it seems similar, at least | 15:10 |
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| dane_leblanc | sc68cal: Yes, it does seem similar to what I'm adding | 15:11 |
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| sc68cal | Just quickly, I wanted to link everyone to some tempest test scenarios that landed last week - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112336/ | 15:12 |
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| sc68cal | It's a huge first step, it's put IPv6 on the radar of the DVR team since they need to pass those scenario tests - i know xuhanp_, baoli, and others have been working on fixes | 15:13 |
| sc68cal | I think sridhar gaddam too | 15:14 |
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| haleyb | bug # 1376325 is kind-of the master bug there | 15:14 |
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| sc68cal | haleyb: thanks - https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1376325 | 15:15 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1376325 in neutron "Cannot enable DVR and IPv6 simultaneously" [Medium,In progress] | 15:15 |
| haleyb | there's two more patches to land for that, in refactor | 15:15 |
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| sc68cal | haleyb: very cool. | 15:15 |
| sc68cal | Hopefully we can get the devstack-gate patch that enables dual stack landed once we squash the routing bug and dane_leblanc's patches - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140128/ | 15:16 |
| haleyb | then we'll find the next bug :( | 15:16 |
| sc68cal | haleyb: haha - yep! | 15:16 |
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| sc68cal | That's really all I had - I'll turn it to open discussion | 15:17 |
| sc68cal | if there are no objections | 15:17 |
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| ihrachyshka | I have one dumb question on the code :) | 15:18 |
| ihrachyshka | that one of old patches: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/72252/14/neutron/db/securitygroups_rpc_base.py | 15:18 |
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| ihrachyshka | look at line 337 | 15:18 |
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| ihrachyshka | shouldn't we 'continue' instead of 'return'? | 15:18 |
| ihrachyshka | for me it seems like we don't set RA rules if any ipv4 address is assigned to a port | 15:19 |
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| sc68cal | ihrachyshka: you might be correct - it looks like order is important - first ip being ipv6 | 15:20 |
| ihrachyshka | it may be relevant to https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1402407 | 15:20 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1402407 in neutron "IPv6 Router Advertisements are blocked in secgroups when using radvd based networks" [Medium,New] | 15:20 |
| ihrachyshka | that I currently look at | 15:20 |
| ihrachyshka | though I still don't have any proof for that ;) | 15:20 |
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| sc68cal | ihrachyshka: I think it's worth a unit test to see if it fails, put an ipv4 address as the first address for the port, then the IPv6 address as second, see what happens | 15:21 |
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| ihrachyshka | yeah, thanks. just wanted to check briefly first on whether the hypothesis is not that dumb | 15:22 |
| baoli | is that just a spurious check to make sure the ips are ipv6? The ips are collected from select_ra_ips_for_network_ids. seems like that it should be removed. | 15:22 |
| ihrachyshka | ah right, so that's not the issue :| | 15:23 |
| sc68cal | #topic open discussion | 15:23 |
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| ihrachyshka | btw I've made radvd config generator use Jinja2: https://review.openstack.org/137656 | 15:24 |
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| sc68cal | ihrachyshka: very nice! yeah that looks a lot cleaner | 15:25 |
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| sc68cal | ihrachyshka: looks like you have some tempest failures to debug | 15:29 |
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| ihrachyshka | yes, just saw it | 15:29 |
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| ihrachyshka | I'll update the patch tomorrow :) | 15:30 |
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| sc68cal | looks like we have some freenode funkyness happening | 15:34 |
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| rprakash | yes i see no reponse for some time | 15:35 |
| rprakash | any link for tempest failure? | 15:35 |
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| ihrachyshka | rprakash: that's probably due to my patch, not global, so I don't think you really want to waste your time on that :) | 15:36 |
| rprakash | ok | 15:36 |
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| ihrachyshka | should we wrap up? :) | 15:37 |
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| sc68cal | I'll give it 2 mintues, see if peolpe rejoin or have anything else | 15:38 |
| rprakash | anythin of DB implementation for IPv6 remaining? | 15:38 |
| sc68cal | rprakash: there is one thing regarding the DB that we may need to keep an eye on | 15:39 |
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| rprakash | you mean avoidng duplication/ | 15:39 |
| sc68cal | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-mid-cycle-sprint-dec-2014 | 15:39 |
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| sc68cal | during the IPAM discussion at the midcycle the issue of quota requirements came up | 15:40 |
| sc68cal | storing the total # of addresses, as the quota | 15:40 |
| sc68cal | which means 2^64 for a single prefix | 15:40 |
| rprakash | thanks got it | 15:40 |
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| sc68cal | # of addresses works fine for v4 - then grows huge when talking about v6 | 15:41 |
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| sc68cal | I have concerns about making new APIs and hand-waving this kind of thing | 15:41 |
| haleyb | https://review.openstack.org/135771 was the spec i believe | 15:42 |
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| sc68cal | ah - which merged. | 15:42 |
| sc68cal | :( | 15:43 |
| haleyb | I thought ryan/carl updated it, will look | 15:43 |
| sc68cal | haleyb: nope, it still mentions # of addresses in the spec | 15:43 |
| sc68cal | for quota | 15:44 |
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| haleyb | Yup, have to ask ryan/carl about that | 15:44 |
| haleyb | carl_baldwin: you here? | 15:45 |
| * sc68cal forsees having to use numpy in the future | 15:45 | |
| dane_leblanc | I asked if we need a quota for prefixes consumed, I think it was Ryan that responded that the existing quota for subnets was sufficient | 15:46 |
| carl_baldwin | hayleyb: I am here but unfortunately, I’ve got to run to an eye doctor appt. Could we sync up later today? | 15:46 |
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| haleyb | sure, just a subnet allocation question | 15:46 |
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| carl_baldwin | haleyb: sc68cal: I see the question. I’ll ping you both later. | 15:48 |
| sc68cal | carl_baldwin: thanks :) | 15:48 |
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| sc68cal | unless we have anything else, I'll go ahead and give everyone back 10 minutes | 15:49 |
| rprakash | once you have answers please update quota item in etherpad and will try understand details -Thanks | 15:50 |
| rprakash | sure | 15:50 |
| rprakash | plese go ahead we can close for the day | 15:51 |
| sc68cal | #endmeeting | 15:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 16 15:51:31 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-12-16-14.59.html | 15:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-12-16-14.59.txt | 15:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-12-16-14.59.log.html | 15:51 |
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| serg_melikyan | #startmeeting Murano | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 16 17:01:17 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is serg_melikyan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Murano)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:01 |
| serg_melikyan | Hi! | 17:01 |
| katyafervent | hi | 17:01 |
| RadekPospisil | hi | 17:01 |
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| serg_melikyan | Hi RadekPospisil, nice to see you here :) | 17:02 |
| RadekPospisil | :-) | 17:02 |
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| serg_melikyan | Today we have not so many attendees ) | 17:03 |
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| serg_melikyan | #topic Agenda | 17:05 |
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| serg_melikyan | Unfortunately I didn't update agenda for todays meeting :( | 17:06 |
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| serg_melikyan | So we have pretty open agenda | 17:06 |
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| serg_melikyan | #1 Action Items Review | 17:06 |
| serg_melikyan | #2 Open Discussion | 17:06 |
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| serg_melikyan | Do we have any particular topic to discuss? | 17:07 |
| serg_melikyan | *any other | 17:07 |
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| katyafervent | Should we set the date for bug scrub and cpecification review? | 17:07 |
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| katyafervent | *specification | 17:07 |
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| serg_melikyan | I think we can discuss this during Open Discussion, and I would say it's hard to do, cause we have extensive holidays, and date will be after Jan 10 | 17:08 |
| RadekPospisil | Agree - I want to know when the spec review will be done .... | 17:08 |
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| serg_melikyan | Spec Review, you mean when spec will be approved? | 17:09 |
| RadekPospisil | yes | 17:09 |
| RadekPospisil | of course after review :-) | 17:09 |
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| serg_melikyan | Once it will contain all the details and +2 from all the participants. I think we have common agreement on fact that specs proposed by you are very important, so approval is not blocking development | 17:10 |
| henarmunoz | hi all. Sorry for the delay | 17:10 |
| StanLagun | hi | 17:10 |
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| serg_melikyan | Good evening, henarmunoz! | 17:11 |
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| serg_melikyan | Let's move to Action Items review and return to this topic during Open Discussion | 17:11 |
| serg_melikyan | Btw we can walkthrough specs and review them during this meeting | 17:12 |
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| serg_melikyan | And identify what parts they lack | 17:12 |
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| serg_melikyan | #topic Action Items Review | 17:13 |
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| serg_melikyan | Not so much of them ) | 17:13 |
| serg_melikyan | 1. serg_melikyan, update Roadmap with a new link to the blueprint with Versioning Spec | 17:13 |
| serg_melikyan | done | 17:13 |
| serg_melikyan | 2. serg_melikyan, write e-mail with details about Review Day | 17:14 |
| katyafervent | done) | 17:14 |
| serg_melikyan | done | 17:14 |
| serg_melikyan | henarmunoz, RadekPospisil had a chance to participate? ) | 17:14 |
| RadekPospisil | I did not received any email | 17:14 |
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| henarmunoz | no, sorry. I was working about the new specs | 17:16 |
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| serg_melikyan | Guys, did you subscribed to the mailing list? | 17:16 |
| RadekPospisil | well no.... | 17:16 |
| RadekPospisil | I have to do it... | 17:16 |
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| henarmunoz | sorry, which mailing list? sorry for the question... | 17:16 |
| serg_melikyan | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists | 17:17 |
| serg_melikyan | http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack | 17:17 |
| serg_melikyan | http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev | 17:17 |
| serg_melikyan | You need to subscribe to this 2 mailing lists at least. | 17:17 |
| RadekPospisil | I'm in opensrtack list only... | 17:18 |
| henarmunoz | ah yes.. I am subscribed to these mainling list.. | 17:18 |
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| serg_melikyan | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-December/052618.html | 17:18 |
| katyafervent | serg_melikyan, did you send email to openstack-dev, right? | 17:18 |
| serg_melikyan | katyafervent: sure | 17:18 |
| katyafervent | so for developer-related discussions this list is better | 17:19 |
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| serg_melikyan | So it's better to be subscribed to both of them :) | 17:22 |
| serg_melikyan | All development related discussion are going in this mailing-list | 17:22 |
| RadekPospisil | ok, done | 17:22 |
| serg_melikyan | Let's move to the specs review? | 17:22 |
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| henarmunoz | ok | 17:23 |
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| serg_melikyan | #topic Spec Review | 17:23 |
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| serg_melikyan | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/murano-specs,n,z | 17:24 |
| serg_melikyan | This is a list of proposed specs | 17:24 |
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| serg_melikyan | We will go through this for rough review, identifying missing parts | 17:25 |
| henarmunoz | I have only created the structure. to be completed with I have more murano knowledge, but I think I will have to change the model, api and so on :-( | 17:25 |
| serg_melikyan | henarmunoz: Not sure about that, when we discussed this features on summit, it was pretty easy to implement. Something changed? | 17:26 |
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| henarmunoz | about the blueprint template, we agree having a new entity right? because environemtn was not the same as blueprint template. Mainly a blueprint tempalt can be instantiate any time | 17:27 |
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| henarmunoz | this means to create the blueprint templte entity right? plus the introduction of this concept in the api, murano python client.. . Am I wrong? | 17:28 |
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| serg_melikyan | Yes, but it's rather extension of current API than change :) | 17:28 |
| henarmunoz | regardiing the puppet/chef staff, I think we need to includ the entity PuppetApplication and ChefApplication for the murano agent | 17:28 |
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| henarmunoz | yes for sure. It is just extension, I mean everything is complementary.. | 17:29 |
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| serg_melikyan | https://review.openstack.org/141335 - let's start with this blueprint | 17:30 |
| serg_melikyan | btw | 17:30 |
| serg_melikyan | this link is better http://docs-draft.openstack.org/35/141335/2/check//gate-murano-specs-docs/1dd3550//doc/build/html/specs/kilo/blueprintemplate.html | 17:31 |
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| serg_melikyan | I think in Data Model Impact section we need to describe in details which enitity are going to be added and they relationship with other entities. | 17:32 |
| henarmunoz | yes, sure.. | 17:32 |
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| henarmunoz | also I have to work in the API section | 17:33 |
| serg_melikyan | henarmunoz: I am not sure that you need review for your spec yet. Do you want to do it today? | 17:33 |
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| henarmunoz | It can be ok when more work has been done | 17:33 |
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| serg_melikyan | sure :) RadekPospisil and katyafervent asked for Spec Review (procedure when we review and approve specs for cycle) | 17:35 |
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| StanLagun | I wrote 2 comments on current text | 17:36 |
| serg_melikyan | We can't assign date today, cause we have long holidays, and I suggest to assign date later | 17:36 |
| serg_melikyan | but we can go through specs and identify what is missing | 17:36 |
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| RadekPospisil | what's the deadline for the review? | 17:36 |
| serg_melikyan | To be assigned to K? | 17:36 |
| serg_melikyan | And implemented in K | 17:36 |
| serg_melikyan | ? | 17:36 |
| RadekPospisil | yes | 17:36 |
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| serg_melikyan | End of the March, I believe | 17:37 |
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| RadekPospisil | ok. | 17:37 |
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| katyafervent | we have 2 weeks until holidays, we have time | 17:38 |
| RadekPospisil | if you can identify missing pieces it would be great - btw there are missing assignments (it has to be internally discussed) and test sections (was lazy to fill it with text that 'it will be tested' :-) ) | 17:39 |
| serg_melikyan | I am not sure that specs will be completely ready | 17:39 |
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| serg_melikyan | Specs are approved (merged) only when they are complete | 17:39 |
| RadekPospisil | yes | 17:39 |
| RadekPospisil | understand | 17:39 |
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| serg_melikyan | But we can merge CODE that related to this specs, if they are not breaking anything | 17:40 |
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| RadekPospisil | it would be great - we created 'fork' of murano on git-hub already :-) | 17:40 |
| serg_melikyan | RadekPospisil: good way to play with Murano :) | 17:40 |
| serg_melikyan | henarmunoz: how do you guys develop? | 17:41 |
| serg_melikyan | also fork, or just play locally? | 17:41 |
| henarmunoz | working with murano agents and plans :-) | 17:42 |
| RadekPospisil | so we locally play with the code, and we are going to use the fork for sharing code in our group. | 17:42 |
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| henarmunoz | about the deployment of a complex application.. like for instance the hello word.. do you have an envrionment example? how can I have the application properties in the json payload, when the properties is another application (e.g. postgresql) ? | 17:43 |
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| StanLagun | didn't get your question. You can always extract object model JSON from murano.log. Search for "Starting processing:" | 17:45 |
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| henarmunoz | I am not using hte GUI, I am using the API. My paylaod is not valid, for instance I am missing database: Contract: $.class(apps:PostgreSql).notNull() | 17:48 |
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| serg_melikyan | StanLagun: can you copy some payload from deployment of a few related apps? | 17:49 |
| henarmunoz | how can specify that the database property for the application io.murano.apps.java.HelloWord is another application. I couldn't find this informaiton in the documentation... | 17:49 |
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| henarmunoz | It is for deploying services... | 17:50 |
| henarmunoz | payload="{\"instance\": {\"flavor\": \"m1.small\", \"image\": \"centos2\"," \ " \"?\": {\"type\": \"io.murano.resources.Instance\",\ \"id\": \"instanceid\"}," \ " \"name\": \"vmname\"}, " \ "\"name\": \"git\", " \ "\"repository\": \"repository\", " \ "\"dbName\": \"dbName\"," \ "\"dbUser\": \"dbUser\"," \ "\"dbPassword\ | 17:51 |
| serg_melikyan | henarmunoz: better to post to the paste.openstack.org | 17:51 |
| StanLagun | http://paste.openstack.org/show/151957/ . See lines 41, 45, 64 | 17:51 |
| henarmunoz | I managed to work iwth simple deployment (just tomcat, or git), but not a complex one | 17:51 |
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| StanLagun | You can try to deploy this from UI once to see object model | 17:51 |
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| StanLagun | in short you either reference object by id or by embedding object definition (as Environment.applications is set here) | 17:52 |
| henarmunoz | they were several applications in your example. So I have to do the same, and use the id for the database reference right? thanks | 17:53 |
| StanLagun | ID of object (that is '?'/'id') | 17:53 |
| StanLagun | yes | 17:54 |
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| henarmunoz | ok | 17:54 |
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| serg_melikyan | RadekPospisil: I would recommend to migrate whole development cycle to the OpenStack way, otherwise you will have many problems later. Like big commits that no one reviews | 17:57 |
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| StanLagun | serg_melikyan: +1 | 17:57 |
| RadekPospisil | agree - we were not sure if we can merge before spec are approved | 17:57 |
| serg_melikyan | Let's move to our channel and continue discussion. | 17:59 |
| serg_melikyan | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 16 17:59:26 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-12-16-17.01.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-12-16-17.01.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-12-16-17.01.log.html | 17:59 |
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| SpamapS | bnemec: too late!! | 19:01 |
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| SpamapS | #startmeeting tripleo | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 16 19:01:39 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SpamapS. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| * tchaypo is busy fooding | 19:01 | |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 19:01 |
| lsmola | o/ | 19:01 |
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| dprince | hey | 19:02 |
| SpamapS | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TripleO | 19:02 |
| * lsmola is busy with kid running around | 19:02 | |
| SpamapS | #topic agenda | 19:02 |
| SpamapS | * bugs | 19:02 |
| SpamapS | * reviews | 19:02 |
| SpamapS | * Projects needing releases | 19:02 |
| SpamapS | * CD Cloud status | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:02 | |
| SpamapS | * CI | 19:02 |
| SpamapS | * Tuskar | 19:02 |
| SpamapS | * Specs | 19:02 |
| SpamapS | * open discussion | 19:02 |
| SpamapS | Remember that anyone can use the link and info commands, not just the moderator - if you have something worth noting in the meeting minutes feel free to tag it | 19:02 |
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| SpamapS | #topic bugs | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:03 | |
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| SpamapS | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 19:03 |
| SpamapS | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/ | 19:03 |
| SpamapS | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-refresh-config | 19:03 |
| SpamapS | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config | 19:03 |
| SpamapS | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config | 19:03 |
| SpamapS | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-cloud-config | 19:03 |
| SpamapS | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-net-config | 19:03 |
| SpamapS | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar | 19:03 |
| SpamapS | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tuskarclient | 19:03 |
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| SpamapS | Howdy folks! Let's jump right in. Please highlight any non-critical bugs you want to bring to the group's attention. Now, to the criticals. | 19:03 |
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| tchaypo | we can't use no-mergepy yet because of features in heat that are being tweaked | 19:04 |
| SpamapS | tchaypo: sounds right | 19:05 |
| SpamapS | anybody what to elaborate on that? | 19:05 |
| tchaypo | there's a bug that I'd look up if I wasn't on iPad | 19:05 |
| lsmola | tchaypo: do you have a list of what is still broken? | 19:05 |
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| SpamapS | We should be marking those as affecting us, perhaps even link to the blueprint. | 19:05 |
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| SpamapS | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1374626 | 19:06 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1374626 in tripleo "UIDs of data-owning users might change between deployed images" [Critical,Triaged] | 19:06 |
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| SpamapS | That one is assigned to me. It is still 3rd in line behind setting up some CI for tripleo-ansible (almost done..) and working on L3 segmentation for ironic/nova. | 19:06 |
| lsmola | tchaypo: also sending it to mailing list would be nice | 19:06 |
| SpamapS | lsmola: I believe there was a thread where we discussed the main blocker, which is that we have no migration path from mergepy templates to not-mergepy templates that doesn't involve having spare machines. | 19:07 |
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| SpamapS | The external_reference feature is needed to do that properly. | 19:07 |
| tchaypo | https://launchpad.net/bugs/1401929 | 19:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1401929 in heat "Overzealous validation of images in empty ResourceGroups" [High,In progress] | 19:07 |
| lsmola | yea that is a big one | 19:07 |
| SpamapS | The image validation is a misfeature IMO. | 19:08 |
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| SpamapS | But nobody seems to agree with me in Heat land. ;) | 19:08 |
| SpamapS | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1385346 | 19:08 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1385346 in tripleo "upstart service unreliable after introducion of pipe to logger" [Critical,Fix committed] | 19:08 |
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| tchaypo | lsmola: kk, I'll email later | 19:08 |
| lsmola | great | 19:09 |
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| SpamapS | greghaynes: ^^ is this solved? I thought we still had issues because of disappearing servers | 19:09 |
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| greghaynes | Not solved, there is a patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138844/ | 19:09 |
| SpamapS | greghaynes: it's marked Fix Committed but I don't really believe it. | 19:09 |
| greghaynes | I should update that commit msg | 19:10 |
| SpamapS | greghaynes: ok, so should you attach that patch to the bug? | 19:10 |
| greghaynes | Yep | 19:10 |
| SpamapS | greghaynes: ok, marking In Progress and assigning to you. | 19:10 |
| SpamapS | greghaynes: also did we ever start the discussion on openstack-dev about making syslog default? I recall you falling down an eventlet rabbit hole. | 19:11 |
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| greghaynes | I only got +1 responses (maybe only one?). The eventlet issue is fixed by just writing to /dev/log instead of syslog() | 19:12 |
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| greghaynes | which is what that patch does :) | 19:12 |
| SpamapS | greghaynes: ok, cool. It would be good to Related-Bug the bug about syslog being default in your patch. | 19:12 |
| * bnemec needs to catch up on that | 19:12 | |
| greghaynes | righto | 19:12 |
| SpamapS | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1401300 | 19:13 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1401300 in tripleo "Keystone Private Key not securely sent to host" [Critical,Confirmed] | 19:13 |
| SpamapS | Anybody want to bite on this one? | 19:13 |
| SpamapS | It's really a spec I think. | 19:13 |
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| dprince | SpamapS: yeah, that is a new mechanism | 19:13 |
| greghaynes | I think were going to end up wanting a short term dirty fix (like scp) and a spec for something more sane | 19:14 |
| SpamapS | We could just accept the risk. | 19:14 |
| SpamapS | Also did we ever actually turn on https for heat/cfn API access? | 19:14 |
| SpamapS | Probably not. | 19:14 |
| greghaynes | Something a lot nicer should come as a result of the barbican work im going but thats about 3 medium sized features out... | 19:14 |
| tchaypo | i thomk there's a pending change that does that, but im not dure if its doing it intentionally or if it a mistake | 19:15 |
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| SpamapS | Ok, so we need somebody to look at this and _at the very least_ assess the risk and see if we really do need to fix it "zomg right now" or if it is just something we need to document as a shortcoming and drive the long term fix as a "High" bug. | 19:16 |
| SpamapS | I'm super overcommitted or I'd take it on. Anybody? | 19:16 |
| greghaynes | ok, I can take on assessing it since im pretty familiar with whats going on | 19:17 |
| SpamapS | greghaynes: \o/ | 19:17 |
| SpamapS | everybody buy greghaynes beer in Seattle. Or anything else he wants to consume recreationally within the limits of the law and professionalism ;-) | 19:17 |
| greghaynes | haha, gluten free tasty beverages are welcome :) | 19:18 |
| clarkb | seattle cider co is pretty good | 19:18 |
| SpamapS | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1401617 | 19:19 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1401617 in os-cloud-config "Flavor based ramdisk/kernel ID is deprecated in Ironic since Juno" [Critical,In progress] | 19:19 |
| SpamapS | I'm kind of trying to drive this one on the side. It isn't easy though, as we have to change os-cloud-config and tripleo-incubator in weird ways. | 19:19 |
| SpamapS | Should get done before they remove the flavor->ramdisk+kernel mapping though. | 19:19 |
| SpamapS | In fact they may keep that until K+1 | 19:19 |
| SpamapS | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1401957 | 19:19 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1401957 in tripleo "pip install MySQL-python failing on fedora" [Critical,Triaged] | 19:19 |
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| SpamapS | This one is "solved" but awaiting final publish to mirrors, and only affects Fedora users, so I move to drop it to High. | 19:20 |
| SpamapS | anyone object? | 19:20 |
| SpamapS | I take 60s of silence as no. Dropped to High. | 19:21 |
| tchaypo | we have a workaround in Ci already afaik | 19:21 |
| tchaypo | high sounds good to me | 19:21 |
| dprince | SpamapS: high is good | 19:21 |
| SpamapS | Ok all the rest are fix committed I think. | 19:23 |
| tchaypo | getting back to https urls | 19:23 |
| tchaypo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131795/ | 19:23 |
| SpamapS | https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/1402085 | 19:24 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1402085 in diskimage-builder "pkg-map incompatible with new install-packages element" [Critical,In progress] | 19:24 |
| SpamapS | that may need some review love | 19:24 |
| SpamapS | tchaypo: that looks like it needs a bug | 19:25 |
| tchaypo | yeah, i don't understand what its doing. it seems to have had a couple of +2s and im not sure why | 19:26 |
| SpamapS | just so we can make sure to drive it to completion | 19:26 |
| SpamapS | Ok, looks worth a closer.. look. | 19:26 |
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| SpamapS | anyway, long time on bugs. Let's move on. | 19:26 |
| SpamapS | #topic reviews | 19:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reviews (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:27 | |
| greghaynes | oh, one more bug thing | 19:27 |
| greghaynes | Bug squash day tomorrow | 19:27 |
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| greghaynes | Just a reminder :) | 19:27 |
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| SpamapS | #info There's a dashboard linked from https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TripleO#Review_team - look for "TripleO Inbox Dashboard" | 19:28 |
| SpamapS | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-openreviews.html | 19:28 |
| SpamapS | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-30.txt | 19:28 |
| SpamapS | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-90.txt | 19:28 |
| SpamapS | greghaynes: RIGHT! should have said that in bugs section. ;) | 19:28 |
| tchaypo | thanks greghaynes | 19:28 |
| tchaypo | can you email to remind people about that? | 19:28 |
| greghaynes | tchaypo: yep, good call | 19:29 |
| tchaypo | for stevenk it's bug squash day as soon as he wakes up | 19:29 |
| SpamapS | We're still _very_ slow on reviews since the US Thanksgiving break. | 19:29 |
| greghaynes | I suspect that wont get better over upcoming holidays | 19:30 |
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| SpamapS | One stat I would like to see is the throughput. | 19:30 |
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| SpamapS | It's great to see our problems, but I'd like to have visibility into our capabilities too. | 19:30 |
| tchaypo | queue growth is up to 2.2/day on the 30 day report | 19:31 |
| tchaypo | from memory it was 1.9 last week | 19:31 |
| SpamapS | whoa, 190 days https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98817/ | 19:31 |
| SpamapS | #link http://stackalytics.com/report/reviews/tripleo-group/open | 19:31 |
| SpamapS | different view of things there | 19:31 |
| bnemec | That was wip for a lot of that time though. | 19:31 |
| greghaynes | workflow -1 in jun | 19:31 |
| slagle_ | tchaypo: are you core? or are the stats just not updated? | 19:32 |
| tchaypo | im not core | 19:32 |
| SpamapS | #link http://stackalytics.com/?module=tripleo-group&metric=marks | 19:32 |
| tchaypo | my review numbers are the highest they've ever been right now | 19:33 |
| SpamapS | This actually does show throughput | 19:33 |
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| SpamapS | and we're definitely lower than we were in the past | 19:33 |
| tchaypo | if I can get them higher and keep them there for a few months I'll start asking about being core | 19:34 |
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| SpamapS | tchaypo: in the grand scheme of things, you're beating half the core team. | 19:34 |
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| SpamapS | do we need to drop some inactive members? | 19:35 |
| SpamapS | I feel like right now would be the wrong time to do that. | 19:35 |
| SpamapS | but maybe we'll revisit in January. | 19:35 |
| bnemec | Yeah | 19:35 |
| bnemec | +1 to January | 19:35 |
| tchaypo | i'm beating numbers, I don't know about quality | 19:35 |
| slagle_ | things will look worse in january wouldn't they? | 19:35 |
| SpamapS | Anyway, does anybody have any specific things to discuss about reviews? I feel like we could probably do better. | 19:35 |
| jdob | ya, i'm taking two weeks off for xmas holiday, that won't help my numbers in january :) | 19:36 |
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| tchaypo | but spam apps any feedback would be welcome and helpful :) | 19:36 |
| SpamapS | slagle_: yes they will, but I'm suggesting we tell those with the worst numbers to step-up or step-out. :) | 19:36 |
| slagle_ | hehe | 19:36 |
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| tchaypo | the other thing is - perhaps our metrics are measuring the wrong thing. perhaps we should be asking people for input on redefining the core commitments for next year? | 19:38 |
| jdob | it has been about a year since we moved to the 3/day thing, might be worth a discussion | 19:38 |
| tchaypo | does 3/workday still make sense? | 19:39 |
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| jdob | let's table that for the ML | 19:39 |
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| SpamapS | agree | 19:39 |
| SpamapS | #topic CI | 19:39 |
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| SpamapS | #link http://goodsquishy.com/downloads/s_tripleo-jobs.html | 19:39 |
| bnemec | Hmm, <50% pass rate. | 19:40 |
| greghaynes | http://goodsquishy.com/downloads/tripleo-jobs.html theres a lot of red | 19:40 |
| SpamapS | 68% for nonha .. given the fact that fedora was totally borked for a week.. this seems o-k | 19:40 |
| SpamapS | bnemec: thats w/ HA | 19:40 |
| tchaypo | f20 was broken for a bit | 19:40 |
| greghaynes | also everything was borked for the weekend | 19:40 |
| bnemec | Ah | 19:40 |
| tchaypo | Derekh or I will send the weekly email tomorrow or the day after | 19:41 |
| SpamapS | Right setuptools fun | 19:41 |
| tchaypo | greghaynes: I wasn't aware of that, do you have a bug? | 19:41 |
| SpamapS | tchaypo: anything to report on HP regions? | 19:41 |
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| tchaypo | derekh was adding 15 nodes to hp1 | 19:42 |
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| tchaypo | I'm stuck on hp2 right now, I rebuilt the seed and now it's not responding to arp on eth1 and it's broken the limits of my knowledge | 19:42 |
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| greghaynes | tchaypo: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141659/ | 19:43 |
| tchaypo | thanks greghaynes | 19:43 |
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| SpamapS | tchaypo: perhaps it's time to shift roles a bit.. seems stalled. We can discuss later. | 19:43 |
| tchaypo | kk | 19:44 |
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| SpamapS | anything else about CI? | 19:45 |
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| tchaypo | see email soon, nothing I'm aware of | 19:46 |
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| SpamapS | #topic Tuskar | 19:46 |
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| SpamapS | jdob: got anything for us? | 19:46 |
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| jdob | SpamapS: nope, I've been diverted all month; we can probably drop this topic from the agenda entirely | 19:46 |
| jdob | no real reason to call out one of the 10 or so projects within tripleo | 19:46 |
| SpamapS | jdob: ok, can you edit it out of https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TripleO please? | 19:46 |
| jdob | i'll jump up and down on the ML or reviews section if I need eyes :) | 19:46 |
| jdob | will do | 19:46 |
| SpamapS | jdob: But it's the most visually attractive project.... ;) | 19:47 |
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| SpamapS | #topic Specs | 19:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:47 | |
| SpamapS | Haven't seen much in the way of new specs. Anybody have a spec they want to hilight? | 19:47 |
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| greghaynes | Is the cinder/ha one merged? | 19:47 |
| SpamapS | jdob: professionalism.. ;) | 19:48 |
| jdob | ya, i'm dripping with it | 19:48 |
| greghaynes | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101237/ is cinder ha and still not merged | 19:48 |
| greghaynes | and ive heard lots of review begging | 19:48 |
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| SpamapS | Yes, review that spec. | 19:49 |
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| SpamapS | and all specs | 19:49 |
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| * SpamapS hums "Let's talk about specs, baby..." | 19:50 | |
| SpamapS | #topic open discussion | 19:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:50 | |
| tchaypo | professionalism.... | 19:50 |
| SpamapS | tchaypo: ah-thankyou | 19:50 |
| tchaypo | we've had a few ML conversations about meeting time for the other meeting | 19:50 |
| tchaypo | I'd ask if anyone can't make this meeting but clearly they aren't here... | 19:50 |
| SpamapS | :-/ | 19:50 |
| tchaypo | also about the purpose of the meetings and if there's anything we can change | 19:51 |
| SpamapS | tchaypo: did you try kicking out my votes and any for others in the American timezones? | 19:51 |
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| tchaypo | I haven't yet, I've just been manually mentally adjusting votes | 19:51 |
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| SpamapS | tchaypo: I think the meeting is intended to gather realtime participation around common topics like driving bugs and reviews. I think they get tedious sometimes but still are valuable. | 19:52 |
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| SpamapS | Just gives us a time where we can block out and get maximum rapid feedback on the immediately-important topics for the project. | 19:52 |
| tchaypo | yeah. I think things like the Ci/cd reports don't contribute much value though | 19:53 |
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| SpamapS | tchaypo: Indeed, those seem to be socialized well enough as passive reports and email summaries. | 19:54 |
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| SpamapS | tchaypo: the CI regions _do_ need more love though. So keeping people abreast of the needs there seems like an immediate feedback situation. | 19:54 |
| SpamapS | Also I expect jerryz to want to discuss his issues as he brings up his region, so alt meeting time might be better for him to discuss that with those who are not in NorAm. | 19:55 |
| tchaypo | I. | 19:56 |
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| SpamapS | tchaypo: anyway, I echo your concern that we're not using the time super wisely. | 19:56 |
| tchaypo | well the current favoured times cut him out completely | 19:56 |
| SpamapS | tchaypo: yeah so I think we can't let that happen. | 19:56 |
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| SpamapS | There are a _FEW_ OpenStack users in China. :) | 19:56 |
| tchaypo | from memory | 19:56 |
| SpamapS | and devs. :) | 19:56 |
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| tchaypo | yes :) | 19:57 |
| SpamapS | tchaypo: keep up the good fight. I suggest resurrecting the discussion in January. | 19:57 |
| tchaypo | if this meeting was about 2 hours later it would be better for Sydney | 19:57 |
| SpamapS | Everybody is checking out for holidays. | 19:57 |
| SpamapS | OH | 19:57 |
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| SpamapS | the meetup! | 19:57 |
| tchaypo | and bej, I think | 19:57 |
| SpamapS | it's on | 19:57 |
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| tchaypo | hotel group booking? | 19:58 |
| SpamapS | none | 19:58 |
| SpamapS | The hotels downtown are reasonable and many. | 19:58 |
| SpamapS | I suggest the Westin or Sheraton if you have that choice. | 19:58 |
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| SpamapS | The Hilton (downtown, not airport) and Crowne Plaza are also close and nice enough. :) | 19:59 |
| SpamapS | I already booked in the Westin. | 19:59 |
| greghaynes | SpamapS: Did we get the possible scheduling conflict resolved? | 19:59 |
| SpamapS | Which is HP approved for my HP'ers. :) | 19:59 |
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| bnemec | This might be useful information to put in the etherpad. | 19:59 |
| SpamapS | greghaynes: entirely. I sent an email. Did it not make it to the list? | 19:59 |
| greghaynes | I think I just failed at reading email | 19:59 |
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| greghaynes | got archive happy probably | 19:59 |
| tchaypo | why only 3 days this time? | 19:59 |
| SpamapS | bnemec: "Details to follow about access to facility. There are many hotels short walking distance from the office, including a Westin, a Sheraton, and a Hilton." | 20:00 |
| SpamapS | tchaypo: being mindful of peoples' time. | 20:00 |
| tchaypo | do we plan to use Monday and Tuesday for informal catch Ups? | 20:00 |
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| tchaypo | or should we just turn up on Tuesday afternoon for wednesday mo | 20:01 |
| SpamapS | tchaypo: you can of course come early to LA and we can co-work in my basement if you want. ;) | 20:01 |
| tchaypo | morning? | 20:01 |
| greghaynes | Or come down to pdx :) | 20:01 |
| greghaynes | its only a 3hr train ride | 20:01 |
| jdob | i noticed that too, was going to confirm 18 wasn't a typo | 20:01 |
| SpamapS | ANyway we're over time | 20:01 |
| SpamapS | PLEASE confirm ASAP. | 20:01 |
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| Geoff___ | What's the mid-cycle RSVP level - still 16 out of 20? | 20:02 |
| SpamapS | We got pushback on a full week. | 20:02 |
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| SpamapS | Geoff___: RSVP right now is 4 right now. | 20:02 |
| SpamapS | -> #tripleo | 20:02 |
| SpamapS | #endmeeting | 20:02 |
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| sdake | #startmeeting containers | 21:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 16 21:05:55 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:05 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 21:05 |
| sdake | #topic rollcall | 21:06 |
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| sdake | yay [\o/] | 21:06 |
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| sdake | anyone around? | 21:07 |
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| sdake | dims diga yuanying? | 21:07 |
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| devkulkarni | which meeting is happening in this channel? | 21:07 |
| sdake | container meeting | 21:07 |
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| muralia | is the containers meeting now? I thought this slot was for the solum meeting. | 21:08 |
| devkulkarni | oh okay.. I thought this was time for solum team meeting | 21:08 |
| sdake | hmm maybe I am off a week | 21:08 |
| sdake | since nobody is around, I'll guess I'll end the meeting | 21:08 |
| sdake | apologies for the overlap (end of year chaos) | 21:08 |
| devkulkarni | sdake: okay.. no worries | 21:08 |
| sdake | #endmeeting | 21:08 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 16 21:08:46 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:08 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-12-16-21.05.html | 21:08 |
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| devkulkarni | #startmeeting Solum team meeting | 21:09 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 16 21:09:11 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devkulkarni. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:09 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Solum team meeting)" | 21:09 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 21:09 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Roll call | 21:09 |
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| james_li | james li | 21:09 |
| devkulkarni | devdatta kulkarni | 21:09 |
| gpilz | gil pilz | 21:09 |
| akshayc | Akshay Chhajed | 21:09 |
| ravips | ravi sankar penta | 21:09 |
| muralia | murali allada | 21:09 |
| devkulkarni | hi ravips | 21:09 |
| devkulkarni | long time | 21:09 |
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| ravips | hi dev | 21:09 |
| devkulkarni | hi akshay | 21:09 |
| devkulkarni | hi gil | 21:09 |
| gpilz | hi dev | 21:10 |
| akshayc | hello devkulkarni | 21:10 |
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| devkulkarni | lets wait for a minute to see if anyone else joins us | 21:10 |
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| mkam | Melissa Kam | 21:10 |
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| devkulkarni | hey mkam | 21:10 |
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| devkulkarni | #topic announcements | 21:11 |
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| devkulkarni | does anyone have any announcements? | 21:11 |
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| devkulkarni | ravips: hope this time works for you | 21:11 |
| ravips | yes | 21:12 |
| devkulkarni | cool | 21:12 |
| devkulkarni | how about you akshay? | 21:12 |
| akshayc | i am stuck with different error now | 21:12 |
| devkulkarni | I meant does the time work for you? | 21:12 |
| devkulkarni | we will come to the error part soon | 21:13 |
| * ravips taking time off next week and won't be able to attend the meeting | 21:13 | |
| akshayc | ya.... i am fine with this time | 21:13 |
| devkulkarni | okay.. cool.. thanks for the heads up ravips | 21:13 |
| devkulkarni | okay.. lets move on to the action items | 21:13 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Review Action items | 21:14 |
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| devkulkarni | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-12-09-21.08.txt | 21:14 |
| devkulkarni | james_li, muralia: can we try to push this forward https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140162/ | 21:14 |
| devkulkarni | this was one of the action items from last week | 21:14 |
| muralia | sure | 21:14 |
| devkulkarni | thanks muralia | 21:15 |
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| devkulkarni | were there any other action items that folks were carrying forward? | 21:15 |
| devkulkarni | I remember I had one about identifying low hanging fruit bugs | 21:16 |
| devkulkarni | I did that sometime back | 21:16 |
| devkulkarni | muralia: what is the latest on the juno release? i remember you were coordinating that with adrian | 21:16 |
| muralia | He's still working on it. I'm waiting for him to reply with a confirmation email. | 21:17 |
| devkulkarni | okay, cool | 21:17 |
| muralia | I know that he has been pon vacation for a few days | 21:17 |
| james_li | devkulkarni: I think that patch is ready to go | 21:17 |
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| devkulkarni | james_li: cool.. will take a look | 21:17 |
| devkulkarni | okay, if there are no other action items I will go to next topic | 21:18 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Blueprint/Task review | 21:18 |
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| devkulkarni | In this I have one | 21:18 |
| devkulkarni | it is ravi's patches | 21:18 |
| devkulkarni | ravips: did you see the comments on your patches? | 21:18 |
| ravips | yes, I did | 21:19 |
| devkulkarni | do they make sense to you? any thoughts? | 21:19 |
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| devkulkarni | after we have done discussing ravi's patches, I would like to consider errors that akshayc is running into | 21:20 |
| ravips | yes, definitely..I will respond to those comments | 21:20 |
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| ravips | I'm bit busy on my other tasks and won't be able to get to those soon...I would like to handover this task to someone who is interested in this task..any volunteers? | 21:21 |
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| devkulkarni | ravips: I see | 21:21 |
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| devkulkarni | if we don't get volunteers immediately that should be alright imo | 21:22 |
| devkulkarni | ravips: how about this? | 21:22 |
| devkulkarni | once you have responded to the comments, we can outline a path of what needs to happen next in the reviews | 21:23 |
| ravips | sounds like a plan | 21:23 |
| devkulkarni | and then mark it has an open wishlist bug for new contributors | 21:23 |
| devkulkarni | cool | 21:23 |
| akshayc | yep.... this will be good.... | 21:23 |
| devkulkarni | are there any disagreements? | 21:24 |
| james_li | +1 | 21:24 |
| muralia | +1 | 21:24 |
| devkulkarni | #agreed ravips will respond to comments on his patches. devkulkarni, ravips, and others will outline in details what needs to happen next as part of the review. we will seek volunteers from the team to complete the work. | 21:25 |
| devkulkarni | next up is the issue that akshayc is running into | 21:25 |
| devkulkarni | akshayc: floor is yours | 21:26 |
| akshayc | ok. i receive a 502 after ==> devstack: Status: Image is up to date for solum/slugtester:latest | 21:26 |
| akshayc | i checked the code..... i can see the UI page.... | 21:27 |
| akshayc | but it gets stuck when i provide the github link | 21:27 |
| devkulkarni | do you have detailed stack trace? what screen this is showing up in? worker? | 21:27 |
| akshayc | error is vagrant up devstack command | 21:28 |
| devkulkarni | oh.. you mean your vagrant up itself is failing? | 21:28 |
| akshayc | yep. | 21:28 |
| akshayc | but the demo UI is visible but not functional | 21:28 |
| devkulkarni | but where are using specifying the github link? | 21:29 |
| akshayc | where does the demo UI log? | 21:29 |
| devkulkarni | oh you are trying the demo UI? | 21:29 |
| akshayc | yep.... | 21:29 |
| devkulkarni | it used to be functional till Atlanta summit. | 21:29 |
| gpilz | I have the same problem | 21:29 |
| devkulkarni | after that we haven't really gone back and test it | 21:29 |
| devkulkarni | gpliz: you are also trying the demo UI? | 21:29 |
| devkulkarni | s/test/tested/ | 21:30 |
| gpilz | the vagrant devstack does seem to be useable despite these failures | 21:30 |
| devkulkarni | vagrant devstack is definitely very useful | 21:30 |
| gpilz | dev - no, I'm using the dev env devstack | 21:30 |
| ravips | akshayc: gpilz: what errors are we seeing in vagrant provision/build logs (under /opt/stack/logs/) | 21:30 |
| devkulkarni | gpilz: okay. so you are seeing the same problem as akshayc in your devstack setup? | 21:30 |
| gpilz | yes | 21:30 |
| devkulkarni | okay | 21:31 |
| devkulkarni | ravips: they are not even getting there | 21:31 |
| gpilz | what I'm trying to say is that, even if you get those errors | 21:31 |
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| gpilz | you should try to use the env anyway | 21:31 |
| devkulkarni | right | 21:31 |
| ravips | yes | 21:32 |
| devkulkarni | akshayc: can I suggest something.. | 21:32 |
| akshayc | ya.... i was trying the same... despite the errors.... i see the UI.... but it gets stuck | 21:32 |
| devkulkarni | once you do vagrant up, even if it fails, you should be able to login to the VM using vagrant ssh | 21:32 |
| devkulkarni | once inside the VM, try source the openrc (source ~/devstack/openrc) and then ./stack.sh | 21:33 |
| devkulkarni | s/source/sourcing/ | 21:33 |
| ravips | devkulkarni: ./unstack.sh and then ./stack.sh will be clean | 21:33 |
| devkulkarni | I would not spend time with the demo UI | 21:33 |
| akshayc | 2014-12-16 20:52:58.655 | stack.sh completed in 1668 seconds. | 21:33 |
| devkulkarni | ravips: sure | 21:33 |
| akshayc | ok | 21:33 |
| devkulkarni | akshayc: that is great if stack.sh completed | 21:33 |
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| devkulkarni | can you login to a screen session and see if all the solum services are running correctly or not? | 21:34 |
| devkulkarni | screen -x stack should drop you into a screen session | 21:34 |
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| devkulkarni | are nova, keystone, glance, swift, neutron, heat, solum* processes up and running? | 21:35 |
| gpilz | there should be 36 things in screen | 21:35 |
| akshayc | yep.... | 21:35 |
| devkulkarni | right | 21:35 |
| devkulkarni | okay | 21:35 |
| akshayc | i see .... .* 32$(L) solum-api 33$(L) solum-build-api 34$(L) solum-conductor 35$(L) solum-deployer 36$(L) solum-worker* | 21:35 |
| devkulkarni | akshayc: can you try solum app create <plan_file> and then solum assembly create <assembly_name> <plan_uri> | 21:35 |
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| devkulkarni | akshayc: that is good sign.. looks like all solum services are running correctly | 21:36 |
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| devkulkarni | akshayc: you are very close to seeing an app deployed in your devstack setup | 21:37 |
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| akshayc | ok.... i willl try this... where does solum log? i do not see the logs.... | 21:38 |
| devkulkarni | akshayc: you can try that and let us know how it goes | 21:38 |
| devkulkarni | logs are in /opt/stack/logs | 21:38 |
| gpilz | akshayc: also you can see info on each service in that services window | 21:38 |
| devkulkarni | akshayc: let us know in #solum if you run into any issues | 21:38 |
| akshayc | yep. ok. | 21:39 |
| devkulkarni | cool | 21:39 |
| devkulkarni | is there any other task/blueprint that we should review? | 21:39 |
| gpilz | so, for example, to see what is happening with the Solum API service, go to window 32 and look at stdout | 21:39 |
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| akshayc | ok gpilz | 21:39 |
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| devkulkarni | gpilz: you want to update us on your findings about concurrency and wsme/pecan | 21:40 |
| devkulkarni | ? | 21:40 |
| gpilz | sure | 21:40 |
| gpilz | it isn't an issue | 21:40 |
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| gpilz | i know this because (a) i wrote a test that confirmed it doesn't happen | 21:41 |
| devkulkarni | cool.. | 21:41 |
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| gpilz | and ( b ) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/27411102/python-wsme-and-thread-safety | 21:41 |
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| devkulkarni | eventually we need to consider adding such concurrency tests to our tempest suite | 21:41 |
| gpilz | (that one cost me) | 21:41 |
| gpilz | dev - that would be a good idea | 21:42 |
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| devkulkarni | mkam: do you know if there are any standard concurrency testing tools being used by OpenStack? | 21:42 |
| devkulkarni | within other OS projects? | 21:42 |
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| mkam | I don't know of any that are being used by OpenStack, but I can look into it | 21:44 |
| devkulkarni | that would be nice | 21:44 |
| devkulkarni | thanks mkam | 21:44 |
| devkulkarni | okay are there other blueprints that we want to discuss? | 21:44 |
| devkulkarni | if not I will go to next topic | 21:45 |
| devkulkarni | #topic open discussion | 21:45 |
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| gpilz | I have an issue I'd like to discuss | 21:46 |
| devkulkarni | sure | 21:46 |
| gpilz | but it just applies to me, so we can save it if there is anything else anyone would like to talk about | 21:46 |
| devkulkarni | I guess there are not any major topics on peoples minds | 21:47 |
| gpilz | okay - I'm trying to figure out how to get pecan to handle an HTTP PATCH request | 21:47 |
| devkulkarni | so gpilz, floor is yours | 21:47 |
| gpilz | if anyone has any experience with anything like this (hacking pecan to support fringe methods) - I'd appreciate the help | 21:47 |
| devkulkarni | in what context are you planning to use patch? | 21:49 |
| devkulkarni | just curious | 21:49 |
| ravips | ironic has similar problem: http://osdir.com/ml/openstack-dev/2014-02/msg02323.html | 21:49 |
| gpilz | CAMP specifies the use of HTTP PATCH (with JSON Patch) to update individual attributes of a resource | 21:50 |
| adrian_otto | PATCH allows you to update a resource without using POST with a full REST resource. You could just specify the attributes you want to change. | 21:50 |
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| adrian_otto | or PUT | 21:51 |
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| devkulkarni | gpilz: I see | 21:52 |
| devkulkarni | gpilz: for time being could PUT work for you? | 21:53 |
| devkulkarni | ravips: how is ironic team resolving this? | 21:53 |
| adrian_otto | the reason PATCH is preferred is it makes it easier for developers to code against | 21:53 |
| gpilz | dev - yeah | 21:53 |
| gpilz | I'm just trying to flesh out the impl is all | 21:53 |
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| devkulkarni | okay | 21:53 |
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| ravips | relevant snip "Ironic's API relies on HTTP PATCH to modify resources, which Pecan/WSME does not abstract for us. We're using the python jsonpatch library to parse these requests. I'm not aware of a similar python library for XML support." | 21:53 |
| devkulkarni | thanks ravips | 21:54 |
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| devkulkarni | gpilz: that settles it then | 21:54 |
| gpilz | dev - actually (re-checking the spec) I *have* to implement PATCH to count as a CAMP impl | 21:55 |
| gpilz | I'm sure pecan can do it | 21:55 |
| gpilz | it's nothing if not flexible | 21:55 |
| devkulkarni | probably you are right.. | 21:55 |
| gpilz | I'm just trying to shave off a day or two | 21:55 |
| devkulkarni | may be hit some experts on pecan in this channel or on the openstack-dev list | 21:55 |
| gpilz | thanks | 21:55 |
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| devkulkarni | okay thanks everyone for joining today's meeting | 21:57 |
| devkulkarni | #endmeeting | 21:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 16 21:57:54 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-12-16-21.09.html | 21:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-12-16-21.09.txt | 21:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-12-16-21.09.log.html | 21:57 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting containers | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 16 22:00:59 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 22:01 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers Our Agenda | 22:01 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 22:01 |
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| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 22:01 |
| sdake | \o/ yay containers ftw | 22:01 |
| hblixt | Henrik Blixt | 22:01 |
| adrian_otto | whoot sdake | 22:01 |
| yuanying-alt | OTSUKA, Yuanying | 22:02 |
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| hongbin | Hongbin Lu (first time here) | 22:02 |
| adrian_otto | welcome hongbin | 22:03 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 22:04 |
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| sdake | prad around? | 22:04 |
| Slower | imain | 22:04 |
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| adrian_otto | 1) Diga has told me that his employer has authorized him to begin working full time on OpenStack, and he will be focusing all of his energy on Magnum. | 22:04 |
| sdake | yay more full time devs! | 22:04 |
| adrian_otto | indeed, much to celebrate! | 22:05 |
| adrian_otto | 2) We have a planned milestone for Dec 19 approaching | 22:05 |
| sdake | about that milestone | 22:05 |
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| sdake | i'd like to discuss moving it perhaps later in the agenda | 22:05 |
| adrian_otto | sdake: you have the floor | 22:05 |
| adrian_otto | ok, we can do it at the end | 22:06 |
| sdake | cool | 22:06 |
| adrian_otto | any other announcements from team members? | 22:06 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, next up | 22:08 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Blueprint Review | 22:08 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/milestone-1 Milestone 1 BPs | 22:09 |
| sdake | rest api, I'd call that done | 22:09 |
| sdake | needs some tidy, but that will come over time | 22:09 |
| adrian_otto | ok, not all of these are implemented yet… the API.. there are two BP's for what appears to be the same effort. | 22:10 |
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| sdake | which ones? | 22:10 |
| adrian_otto | I am seeing https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-api-service and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-api-service-containers | 22:10 |
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| sdake | the s econd is essentially to implement the backend of the container rest api | 22:11 |
| adrian_otto | I see. That's marked as not started. Is that right? | 22:11 |
| sdake | ie: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-backend-docker-api | 22:11 |
| sdake | there isa patch up for review with -1 on the check | 22:11 |
| sdake | sorry the blueprint is actually https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-backend-docker | 22:12 |
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| sdake | I think the easy solution is to can https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-api-service-containers | 22:13 |
| adrian_otto | has the topic of using Zaqar been discussed on the ML? | 22:13 |
| sdake | adrian_otto I thin kthe idea is to use the rest api that docker exposes directly | 22:13 |
| sdake | so we dont need agents, the agent is the docker rest api | 22:14 |
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| adrian_otto | ok. | 22:14 |
| dims | sdake: apologies, i could not make it today :) | 22:14 |
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| sdake | I superceeded https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-api-service-containers adrian_otto | 22:14 |
| sdake | since its a dupe | 22:14 |
| adrian_otto | ok, tx | 22:15 |
| sdake | I marked https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-rest-api as done | 22:15 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/backend-bay-heat-kube Implement a backend bay using larsks heat-kubernetes heat template | 22:15 |
| adrian_otto | that's marked as Essential and Not Started | 22:16 |
| sdake | this is done: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/db-object-definitions | 22:16 |
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| sdake | adrian_otto that is part of the bay implementation | 22:16 |
| sdake | should be done this week | 22:16 |
| sdake | it is definately started | 22:16 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so no PR's reference it? | 22:16 |
| sdake | I marked https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/db-object-definitions as done | 22:17 |
| adrian_otto | maybe next time you do a commit you might add a ref there | 22:17 |
| sdake | since we have our object defintions | 22:17 |
| adrian_otto | ok, sweet | 22:17 |
| sdake | ya, we should probably as a tem start using "implements blueprint: "XXX | 22:17 |
| adrian_otto | exactly | 22:17 |
| sdake | I marked https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/db-composite-container as implemented | 22:18 |
| adrian_otto | at least that way we'll get the status auto-switched to Started | 22:18 |
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| sdake | I marked https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/db-port-mapping as done | 22:18 |
| sdake | all the db stuff is done - but needs refining | 22:18 |
| adrian_otto | is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/implement-backend-rpc needed considering remarks earlier about Zaqar? | 22:19 |
| sdake | I marked https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/implement-backend-rpc as implemented | 22:19 |
| adrian_otto | since the first agent is Docker? | 22:19 |
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| sdake | the rpc backend is implemented in "magnum-conductor" process | 22:20 |
| adrian_otto | what RPC mesages are we using? | 22:20 |
| adrian_otto | this for usage? | 22:20 |
| sdake | the rest api sends messages to the conductor to do the actual work | 22:20 |
| sdake | this is how we implement horizontal scalability | 22:20 |
| sdake | vs the rest api doing all the work | 22:20 |
| adrian_otto | oh, I see | 22:21 |
| sdake | the conductor communicates with the ReST API in either kubernetes or docker to do the job | 22:21 |
| sdake | so no need for zaqar that I can see atm | 22:21 |
| adrian_otto | that's only useful if you have a queue based agent in the guest | 22:21 |
| sdake | if you pull the current milestone list (recommended) I think that represents the current state o the database | 22:21 |
| adrian_otto | in that case a multi-tenant queue service would be indeal | 22:21 |
| sdake | right, ID ont think we need dan agent | 22:21 |
| sdake | and agent's are generally frowned upon and cause havoc with various distros/etc :) | 22:22 |
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| adrian_otto | yep | 22:22 |
| adrian_otto | ok, planning to advance topics now | 22:23 |
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| adrian_otto | before I do, are there any open work items that require team discussion? | 22:23 |
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| sdake | I'd like to discuss a baymodle object | 22:24 |
| sdake | baymodel object | 22:24 |
| sdake | I have a review in teh queue for i t | 22:24 |
| adrian_otto | link us | 22:24 |
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| sdake | I think it will make using magnum a whole lot easier, but less is more, and i prefer less objects int he system | 22:24 |
| sdake | basically its a template for what the bay should be | 22:24 |
| sdake | when you create a bay, you sepcify a bay model | 22:24 |
| sdake | thiink of it as a nova flavor | 22:24 |
| sdake | anyone object to the idea? | 22:24 |
| yuanying-alt | Nova flavor is setup by admin | 22:25 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/141890 baymodel | 22:25 |
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| yuanying-alt | but is baymodel setup by tenant user, ok? | 22:25 |
| sdake | right | 22:25 |
| sdake | baymodel created by tenant | 22:25 |
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| yuanying-alt | Ok, another question | 22:26 |
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| yuanying-alt | if we only use larks/heat-kube | 22:26 |
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| sdake | I think we will want more models to support other disteros beside fedora atomic | 22:26 |
| adrian_otto | the idea is you register your model, and all bays created confirm with it… or you can register many, and you specify which to use? | 22:26 |
| adrian_otto | s/confirm/conform/ | 22:27 |
| sdake | you register many | 22:27 |
| sdake | and when you createa bay, you select a model | 22:27 |
| sdake | one model is fedora-atomic | 22:27 |
| sdake | another model is fedora-cloud | 22:27 |
| sdake | and the backends in coductor ifgure out what to do with it | 22:27 |
| sdake | how to create the baremetal or virt ays | 22:27 |
| yuanying-alt | baymodel has baymodel_type? | 22:27 |
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| sdake | it does not at the moment, what is the baymodel_type property? | 22:28 |
| sdake | virt vs baremetal? | 22:28 |
| sdake | it has as "flavor" atm | 22:28 |
| yuanying-alt | yes | 22:28 |
| sdake | flavor = virt or baremetal | 22:28 |
| sdake | flavor = m1.small, or baremetal etc | 22:28 |
| sdake | if baremetal, ironci is used for full baremetal deployment | 22:28 |
| sdake | if m1.small the m1.small nova virt is used | 22:28 |
| adrian_otto | we would reference glance to match flavors based on the value? | 22:28 |
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| sdake | the heat template that launches the scheband would take a parameter of flvaor | 22:29 |
| sdake | the flavor would come from teh bay flavor | 22:29 |
| adrian_otto | actually, where are flavors defined/// in nova? | 22:29 |
| sdake | the bay flavor is storedi nt he bay object | 22:29 |
| sdake | flavors are defnied in nova, baymodel defined in magnum | 22:29 |
| sdake | the altnerative is we jam a mimlion parameters into bay-create for storing the info | 22:30 |
| adrian_otto | ok, we should give come consideration to making it work the same way | 22:30 |
| sdake | so its not templatable and repeatable :( | 22:30 |
| yuanying-alt | each heat template parameter is different, so baymodel shoud have a diffeent parameter. | 22:30 |
| adrian_otto | sounds like it is the same | 22:30 |
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| sdake | how about this, lets do bay model, and if it doesn't work out, we can depreacate it | 22:31 |
| sdake | either that, or vote :) | 22:31 |
| adrian_otto | I have no objections to trying it | 22:31 |
| sdake | the rest of the objects in magnum are required, bay model is a user optimization | 22:31 |
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| sdake | it makes using magnum easier | 22:31 |
| yuanying-alt | yes agreed. | 22:32 |
| sdake | cool, well I had it working, and nwo its not, not sure why | 22:32 |
| sdake | so I'll need to debug it a bit | 22:32 |
| adrian_otto | ok | 22:32 |
| adrian_otto | any chance you could put tests in for it? | 22:33 |
| sdake | yes of course | 22:33 |
| adrian_otto | tx | 22:33 |
| sdake | sepaking of testsxz | 22:33 |
| sdake | I think after milestone #1, we should as a review team reject patches whithout tests | 22:33 |
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| sdake | our code base is getting larger , 8k lines of code | 22:33 |
| sdake | and our test coverage is pretty weak | 22:34 |
| adrian_otto | yes, we will need a hardening phase | 22:34 |
| sdake | I think hardening should happen during phase 2, where we crank out a bunch of unit tests | 22:34 |
| sdake | to give good coverage to the code base | 22:34 |
| sdake | but I may stand alone there :) | 22:34 |
| sdake | rather milestone #2 | 22:34 |
| adrian_otto | I'll suggest that Diga help out with that | 22:35 |
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| dims | sdake: +1 to try bay model out | 22:35 |
| sdake | dims cool | 22:35 |
| dims | yes we definitely need more tests | 22:36 |
| sdake | our test coverage is terrible | 22:36 |
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| adrian_otto | sdake: you had remarks about our target date before. Did you want to touch on that now? | 22:36 |
| dims | and split unit vs functional as we talked about last time | 22:36 |
| sdake | agree dims | 22:36 |
| adrian_otto | +1 tests | 22:36 |
| sdake | we had set date of 19th | 22:36 |
| sdake | atleast unit dtests to bergin with | 22:37 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Target date | 22:37 |
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| sdake | but this kind of lines of with christmas | 22:37 |
| sdake | and I thnkk our #1 objective with milestone #1 is to attract new developers to contribute to the code base | 22:37 |
| sdake | our #2 objective is to present something that works, even if a bit short of unit tests | 22:37 |
| adrian_otto | agreed | 22:38 |
| sdake | I think a date in the new year would better fit these objectives | 22:38 |
| sdake | if we crank out something on the 23rd, realistically nobody is goingt o look at it | 22:38 |
| adrian_otto | ok, what would be an appropriate target? | 22:38 |
| sdake | I like January 13th | 22:39 |
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| sdake | with a freeze around Jan 9th | 22:39 |
| adrian_otto | maybe 2015-10-04 as the final call? | 22:39 |
| sdake | or freeze eaerlier | 22:39 |
| adrian_otto | 01 | 22:39 |
| adrian_otto | not 10 | 22:39 |
| dims | i was going to suggest the same gives a solid week in Jan | 22:39 |
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| sdake | so freeze jan 5th, then have a week of testing, then release on tuesday jan 13th | 22:39 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I've been really slammed the past few weeks, but approaching the holidays I expect things to quiet down so that I'll be able to get a lot of reviews done | 22:40 |
| dims | sounds good | 22:40 |
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| sdake | red hat has a shut down and I'm going to try to unplug from the 19th to the 5th of jan | 22:41 |
| sdake | so don't expect much from me during that period ;) | 22:41 |
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| dims | sdake: slacker :) | 22:41 |
| adrian_otto | ok, enjoy your time away sdake | 22:41 |
| dims | have a good vacation everyone! | 22:41 |
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| sdake | so 13th of january for milestone #1 tag and release then? | 22:42 |
| sdake | should we vote, or we good on the date | 22:42 |
| dims | +1 | 22:43 |
| yuanying-alt | +1 | 22:43 |
| sdake | +1 | 22:43 |
| adrian_otto | #agreed Our Milestone-1 target date is now 2014-01-13 | 22:43 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 22:43 |
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| sdake | core team expansion | 22:44 |
| hongbin | Hi, all. I have several things to discuss. Is it a good time to start? | 22:44 |
| sdake | I'd like to get to the point where we are following the full openstafck process | 22:44 |
| sdake | whiuch is two +2 reviews before patches go in | 22:44 |
| dims | right | 22:44 |
| sdake | with our current core team, some folks have not really been doing reviews on teh core team | 22:44 |
| sdake | whiel a bunch of other devs have come in and helped on the code base and review process | 22:45 |
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| sdake | I propose we finalize a new list of the core team or atleast new members we wantto add at milestone #1 | 22:45 |
| sdake | we should funnel those through adrian_otto | 22:45 |
| sdake | and make sure the candidate is actually interested | 22:45 |
| sdake | and then we can vote on ml | 22:46 |
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| sdake | any opposition? | 22:46 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I'll accept nominations, so just direct message me at @adrian_otto and I will relay nominations to the ML for voting | 22:46 |
| adrian_otto | I suggest we wait until after M1 completes to prune the list | 22:46 |
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| sdake | we should probably wait until the 14th to propose nominations asw ell | 22:46 |
| sdake | maek sure folks are in after the new year | 22:46 |
| sdake | agree on prune | 22:47 |
| adrian_otto | we can add at any time | 22:47 |
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| sdake | since companies business objectives change and what not | 22:47 |
| sdake | and folks may change their minds between now and new year | 22:47 |
| dims | +1 on prune after M1 | 22:47 |
| sdake | probably m2 makes sense for prune | 22:47 |
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| sdake | ok i'll stop dominating the agenda :) all yours hongbin | 22:48 |
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| hongbin | thanks | 22:48 |
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| hongbin | first, I am looking for several features from magnum | 22:48 |
| hongbin | 1. OpenVZ support | 22:48 |
| hongbin | 2. OpenVSwitch integration | 22:48 |
| sdake | that is in the spec | 22:49 |
| sdake | we are using neutron for openvswitch integration | 22:49 |
| hongbin | 3. multi-region/multi-cloud support | 22:49 |
| hongbin | k | 22:49 |
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| sdake | multi-regon seems a bit far off, we have to write unit and functional test cases for example to get through the incubation process | 22:49 |
| adrian_otto | #3 is a hum dinger, but should actually be posssibe with federated auth | 22:49 |
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| dims | hongbin: are you a user or will be helping with dev? | 22:50 |
| hongbin | I can part-time contribute to | 22:50 |
| adrian_otto | excellent | 22:50 |
| hongbin | I am also a user :) | 22:50 |
| dims | nice! | 22:51 |
| dims | helps both ways :) | 22:51 |
| sdake | like adouble win :) | 22:51 |
| hongbin | sure | 22:51 |
| hongbin | Yes, in the short term, I need the OpenVZ support | 22:51 |
| hongbin | since docker don't support live migration | 22:51 |
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| hongbin | sorry, if I kill the meeting | 22:52 |
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| adrian_otto | hongbin: thanks for sharing your wish list. That will help us manage our upcoming work priorities. | 22:53 |
| sdake | I think at this point our next step is to merge adrian's original spec | 22:53 |
| sdake | and iterate on that | 22:53 |
| sdake | with things like this | 22:53 |
| adrian_otto | keep in mind that Magnum is early stage, and that current focus is to get some basics working | 22:53 |
| sdake | so a couple cores can +2/+a it | 22:53 |
| hongbin | k | 22:54 |
| hongbin | thanks all. | 22:54 |
| dims | and need someone who has done openvz before...not sure who in the current group is willing to work it | 22:54 |
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| hongbin | I can work with it. | 22:54 |
| adrian_otto | I can make time to incorporate feedback on the spec, and submit a new patchset for it. | 22:54 |
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| sdake | I think lets merge it as is adrian_otto and then iterate from there | 22:54 |
| adrian_otto | hongbin: is the spec something you have seen? | 22:54 |
| sdake | since we have a basic architecture and gaols in palce | 22:54 |
| hongbin | no sure which spec | 22:55 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/136103 Magnum Spec | 22:55 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: yes I saw that | 22:55 |
| adrian_otto | I'd like to get your input on the use cases, and we can see about potentially expanding them to meet your needs | 22:55 |
| hongbin | k | 22:56 |
| adrian_otto | sdake: you can upgrade your vote to +2 on that | 22:56 |
| sdake | just did | 22:56 |
| sdake | dims ? | 22:56 |
| adrian_otto | and Slower, you can vote, and +A right? | 22:56 |
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| dims | done | 22:56 |
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| sdake | dims hit +a too :) your the 2nd reviewer | 22:57 |
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| dims | sdake: will do at the end of the meeting | 22:57 |
| sdake | tia | 22:57 |
| dims | just in case someone else wants to +2 as well | 22:57 |
| sdake | 2 should be minimum for specchanges, but we dont need more imo | 22:58 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so that's merging… so let's submit patches against that to discuss new use cases as we learn about them | 22:58 |
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| adrian_otto | tanks everyone for attending today. We have another minute left. An parting thoughts? | 22:59 |
| adrian_otto | s/An/Any/ | 22:59 |
| sdake | sherman ftw ;-) | 22:59 |
| adrian_otto | Okay, enjoy your week, and we'll regroup again at UTC1600 on Dec 23. | 23:00 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 16 23:00:14 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-12-16-22.00.html | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-12-16-22.00.txt | 23:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-12-16-22.00.log.html | 23:00 |
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| dims | sdake: lol | 23:01 |
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