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| dhellmann | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 5 16:00:57 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:01 |
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| dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | courtesy ping for jd__, dims, bnemec, flaper87, harlowja, viktors, rpodolyaka1, zzzeek, sileht, kgiusti | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | courtesy ping for redrobot, jungleboyj, zhiyan, therve, amotoki, GheRivero, bknudson, ihrachyshka, jogo, dougwig, sreshetnyak, amrith | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:01 |
| zzzeek | o/ | 16:01 |
| sileht | o/ | 16:01 |
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| viktors | o/ | 16:01 |
| rpodolyaka1 | o/ | 16:01 |
| jd__ | happy new year! \o/ | 16:01 |
| redrobot | o/ | 16:01 |
| dims | o/ (partially here) | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | happy new year, everyone | 16:01 |
| beekneemech | o/ | 16:01 |
| bknudson | hi | 16:01 |
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| jungleboyj | Happy New Year! | 16:01 |
| redrobot | woot 2015! | 16:01 |
| ozamiatin | o/ | 16:01 |
| sigmavirus24 | happy new year all | 16:02 |
| sileht | happy new yeah | 16:02 |
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| bnemec | I have another conflict today so I may be semi-absent. | 16:02 |
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| inc0 | hello, any chances to drop something to agenda yet? | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | it should be a relatively quick meeting today | 16:02 |
| bnemec | I really thought Monday morning would be a safe time to schedule this. :-/ | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | inc0: we usually have an "open discussion" section at the end of the meeting | 16:02 |
| inc0 | allright | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | #topic Review action items from previous meeting | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review action items from previous meeting (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:03 | |
| dhellmann | #info dhellmann make sure instructions for creating a new library are up to date with stable requirements jobs - DONE | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | we didn't meet last week, so that's a pretty old one :-) | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | #topic dropping namespace packages | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "dropping namespace packages (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:03 | |
| dhellmann | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo-incubator/+spec/drop-namespace-packages | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-January/053737.html | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | As I mentioned on the mailing list there, we have a few libraries ready for releases with the namespace package changes. | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | To avoid breaking too many things at once, we should release them one at a time, with some delay in between. | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | I thought I would cut a release of oslo.config later today, and follow that up with one of the others after a few hours. | 16:04 |
| bknudson | where's your sense of adventure? | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | Then tomorrow two more, etc. | 16:04 |
| dims | bknudson: hehe | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: it was burned off ages ago :-) | 16:04 |
| dims | dhellmann: sounds good | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | liaisons, there's no real rush to update the imports in your project, but we don't want you to delay it either | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | I know with the k-2 deadline coming up in a few weeks there's going to be a rush of other changes | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | are there any questions or other comments about the plan for this? | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | dhellmann: At this point, which libraries should we be making changes for? | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | jungleboyj: right now, only oslo.concurrency has been released with this change, I think. Watch the mailing list for other release announcements. | 16:06 |
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| jungleboyj | dhellmann: Ok, we have concurrency done. I will start tackling the others as they come. | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | jungleboyj: good, thanks | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | ok, speaking of kilo-2 | 16:07 |
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| dhellmann | #topic status check for kilo-2 | 16:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "status check for kilo-2 (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:07 | |
| dhellmann | We have quite a few blueprints and bug fixes in progress. | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | We need to look at each of them and see whether we're actually on schedule to finish them by their current projected deadline. | 16:07 |
| dims | dhellmann: should we do oslo.log before kilo-2? | 16:07 |
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| dhellmann | I don't expect to do that today, but please be prepared to discuss them next week. | 16:08 |
| bknudson | here's the keystone change for oslo_concurrency: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139777/ | 16:08 |
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| dhellmann | #action dhellmann email dev list reminding oslo contributors to be ready to discuss schedule at the next meeting | 16:08 |
| bknudson | (merged) | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | dims: let's figure out today what else is left to add before we're ready for a first release | 16:08 |
| dims | dhellmann: ack | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: good reference, thanks | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | so that's for next week | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:09 | |
| dhellmann | liaisons, are you encountering any issues? | 16:10 |
| bnemec | None for tripleo | 16:10 |
| bknudson | keystone could use a new release of oslo.middleware with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144700/ | 16:10 |
| bknudson | also, the config generator ordering issue fix | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | No major issues. I have updated most of the incubator code in Cinder but am having an issue with policy that I need to further investigate. | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: ok, I think it's safe to release middleware since we haven't done the namespace work there | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | I will open an issue on that after I look at it a bit more. | 16:11 |
| bknudson | looks like the change to use the new config generator is going to merge without the fix and we'll just pick it up when it's there. | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann talk to gordc about releasing oslo.middleware | 16:11 |
| bnemec | The ordering fix merged to oslo.config, didn't it? | 16:11 |
| bnemec | In which case it should be in the release tomorrow. | 16:11 |
| bknudson | great, we'll pick it up then | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | bnemec: yes, I don't see it as an open patch so I think it merged | 16:12 |
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| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/136482 | 16:12 |
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| dhellmann | I think that's the one | 16:12 |
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| bknudson | yep, that'll do it | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | jungleboyj: the spec to graduate the policy module was approved over the break: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo-incubator/+spec/graduate-policy | 16:14 |
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| dhellmann | jungleboyj: if you find any bugs, we'll need to make sure we coordinate with adam about where/when to fix | 16:14 |
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| jungleboyj | dhellmann: Well do. | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | let's move on | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | #topic Ongoing work & Review priorities | 16:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ongoing work & Review priorities (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:15 | |
| dhellmann | #link https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/next-kilo | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | #link https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/kilo-2 | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | Is anyone blocked on work we prioritized for this release? | 16:15 |
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| dhellmann | I'm seeing a lot of failures in neutron tests for my oslo.messaging patch. I've had other issues to fix with it, so I haven't debugged those, yet. Does anyone know if there's currently a race condition with neutron? | 16:16 |
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| dhellmann | #topic open discussion | 16:18 |
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| bknudson | dhellmann: thanks. | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | inc0: you had something? | 16:18 |
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| sileht | dhellmann, I have already seen some issue with this jobs on other review, I will check this is the same I issue I have started to investigate | 16:18 |
| inc0 | yup, oslo.versionedobjects | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | sileht: ah, good, thanks | 16:19 |
| inc0 | anyone has started any work on that? what is status of this bp? anything I could help with? | 16:19 |
| dhellmann | the work hasn't been started. I think we're blocked on my promise to prepare a repository based on the code currently in nova. | 16:19 |
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| dhellmann | I've spent a lot more time on this namespace package thing than I expected to | 16:20 |
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| viktors | dhellmann, zzzeek - I'd like to ask, what DB driver should we use for MySQL in py3 env? | 16:20 |
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| viktors | I confused by Doug's comment in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133962/ | 16:21 |
| zzzeek | viktors: well I think mysql-connector is most appropriate | 16:21 |
| viktors | I remember, that jd__ was against mysqlconnector on summit | 16:21 |
| zzzeek | viktors: we have two contacts at oracle who are interested in keeping it working | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | I can never remember, which one is the one from oracle? | 16:21 |
| viktors | and it still not hosted on pypi | 16:21 |
| inc0 | I'd like to help, even code the thing if needed, but I'd like few pointers, repo you mention, and well, any help I can get:) | 16:21 |
| zzzeek | viktors: that’s an issue they seek to solve | 16:21 |
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| viktors | zzzeek: yes, but why can't we use PyMySQL for now? | 16:22 |
| * jd__ is against MySQL whatever it is :p | 16:22 | |
| viktors | :-D | 16:22 |
| zzzeek | viktors: our contacts are Andrew Rist and Geert Vanderkelen | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | inc0: extracting the code from the nova repository using a modified version of our graduate.sh script is going to be fairly complicated, which is why I offered to do it for dan. If you feel comfortable with git, maybe that's something you want to look at? | 16:22 |
| zzzeek | viktors: because it is not maintained to the levels of quality that openstack should have | 16:22 |
| zzzeek | jd__: sure, but good luck with that :) | 16:23 |
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| viktors | zzzeek: ok, but is there any top quality, pypi hosted and py3 compatible db driver? ) | 16:23 |
| zzzeek | viktors: not particularly :) | 16:24 |
| viktors | :) | 16:24 |
| viktors | bad luck | 16:24 |
| inc0 | dhellmann, I can do it, although I would need few pointers from you | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek: is oracle planning to publish the package to pypi? | 16:24 |
| inc0 | like this graduate.sh thing;) | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | inc0: ok, let's talk more after this meeting | 16:24 |
| inc0 | sure | 16:24 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: I’ll send andrew somehting of an ultimatum | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | inc0: graduate.sh is in the incubator repository under "tools" | 16:24 |
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| dhellmann | zzzeek: yeah, that's a big blocker for us adopting it | 16:25 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: OK | 16:25 |
| viktors | zzzeek: they "supposed to publish" for a few month already, afaik | 16:25 |
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| dhellmann | we need someone to take the lead on this driver issue, to summarize all of the information we have and keep track of progress or issues | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | volunteers? | 16:26 |
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| viktors | I can try to summarize the information we have, but I can miss something | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | a wiki page would be a good start | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | sure, I just need someone who knows more about it than I do to get it started :-) | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | does anyone else have a topic to raise this week? | 16:28 |
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| bknudson | can't think of anything. | 16:29 |
| dhellmann | ok, well, let's stop a little early -- spend your extra 30 minutes reviewing oslo patches, please! :-) | 16:29 |
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| * ihrachyshka is sorry for being late | 16:30 | |
| dhellmann | hi, ihrachyshka - we were just wrapping up | 16:30 |
| ihrachyshka | dhellmann, aha! :) I have one thing | 16:30 |
| ihrachyshka | oslo.concurrency release please ;) | 16:30 |
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| ihrachyshka | so that we can proceed with neutron | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | ihrachyshka: what changes do you need? | 16:30 |
| ihrachyshka | ConfigFilter removal | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | ah, right | 16:31 |
| ihrachyshka | that was already committed | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | ok, that is merged | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann release oslo.concurrency | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | I'll wait to create the release until after the oslo.config release with the namespace package change | 16:31 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: OK I’ve sent out an email and I think the answer is going to be more stalling, so if we want to get into pymysql i think we should maybe move in a bit on their github repo :) | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | I don't want 2 releases possibly introducing competing breaking changes | 16:32 |
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| ihrachyshka | ack | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek: if they are interested in help, that may unblock us on this. Can you help viktors prepare that summary of what issues need to be addressed in the lib? | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek, viktors : we should also make sure that there's a note on the python 3 page haypo maintains mentioning that we need a good db driver | 16:34 |
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| dhellmann | ok, if there's nothing else we can all go review code | 16:35 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: it’s just a casually run project, that’s all. e.g. the crummy changelog, etc. | 16:35 |
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| zzzeek | there’s the big issue with eventlet monkeypatching as well, but all the drivers have that issue | 16:36 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek: I think we'd all rather use the driver from oracle. Maybe now that they're OpenStack Foundation members, we can convince them to put the code up on pypi. | 16:36 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: OK will see what response I get | 16:36 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek: If we need to get the TC & Board involved, we can. | 16:37 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: I think the issue is that Oracle wants to track downloads of their products | 16:37 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: and pypi makes this impossible | 16:37 |
| dhellmann | sigh | 16:37 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: I can’t say I don’t sympathize :) | 16:37 |
| ihrachyshka | dhellmann, zzzeek, if you need email of mysql connector guy, tell me (it was not trivial to find it) | 16:38 |
| zzzeek | ihrachyshka: i have the emails | 16:38 |
| ihrachyshka | (which says enough about their dev model) | 16:38 |
| ihrachyshka | ack | 16:38 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek: ok, let's see what they say and then talk to the infra team about our options | 16:38 |
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| dhellmann | I think we're done for today. Thank you, everyone! | 16:40 |
| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 16:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 5 16:40:37 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-01-05-16.00.html | 16:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-01-05-16.00.txt | 16:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-01-05-16.00.log.html | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks. | 16:41 |
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| Sukhdev | armax: Ping | 17:55 |
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| armax | Sukhdev: pong | 17:56 |
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| Sukhdev | armax: good so, you are here - we have L2-GW meeting in next 4 mins. | 17:56 |
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| armax | Sukhdev: it looks like Maruti is not online | 17:59 |
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| armax | ah, there he is! | 17:59 |
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| Sukhdev | armax: what is Maruti's IRC handle? | 18:00 |
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| armax | Sukhdev: maruti | 18:00 |
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| Sukhdev | Folks it is time - shall we get started? | 18:01 |
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| maruti | Yes sure | 18:01 |
| Sukhdev | let me start the meeting - this way we can capture the miutes | 18:01 |
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| Sukhdev | #startmeeting networking_l2GW | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 5 18:02:07 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_l2GW)" | 18:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_l2gw' | 18:02 |
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| Sukhdev | Folks, welcome to our first L2-GW meeting | 18:02 |
| Sukhdev | Happy New Year to all | 18:02 |
| armax | Sukhdev: welcome 2015! | 18:03 |
| ChuckC | hi | 18:03 |
| Sukhdev | As you will notice, I did not put anything specific on the agenda - since this is first meeting, I thought we go free flow | 18:03 |
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| Sukhdev | We will define the agenda as we go along | 18:04 |
| armax | Sukhdev: yup, I suspect things will be slow, as we go back to normal after the holiday period | 18:04 |
| armax | Sukhdev: I am still catching up with reviews etc | 18:04 |
| Sukhdev | To start with, perhaps, armax you can give us as to the progress on the L2-GW spec so far | 18:05 |
| armax | Sukhdev: sure | 18:05 |
| armax | let me start by saying that there have been a number of efforts that were labelled l2gw over the past few months | 18:06 |
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| armax | afaik the effort focus on this team is primarly on the specs that came out of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134179/ | 18:07 |
| armax | and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136581/ | 18:07 |
| armax | at the same time, we also recognize that there is the need to get this effort off the ground in a way that is not tighly coupled with the Neutron code | 18:08 |
| armax | *recognized | 18:08 |
| armax | to this aim, we started arranging ourselves in a way that allows us to collaborate without depending on Neutron, hence the stackforge project | 18:09 |
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| armax | maruti has moved the aforementioned specs here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144173/ and here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144190/ | 18:10 |
| Sukhdev | Here is the link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141289/2 | 18:10 |
| armax | in my view this is mostly for tracking purposes…I don’t believe that we should have a full blown spec process just yet | 18:10 |
| armax | I think there’s enough meat on the bone for getting us started in contributing some code | 18:11 |
| selva_ | Basic REST API(service plugin) code for l2 gateway except the extension file is checked-in to stackforge/networking-l2gw repo of openstack L2 gateway agent code for l2gateway is checked-in to stackforge/networking-l2gw repo of openstack. Code https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144097/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144215/ SPEC https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144173 Hi Armando I have a question regarding the extens | 18:11 |
| armax | but lots still remain to be done | 18:11 |
| ijw | I found the spec a bit more complex than I expected | 18:11 |
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| ijw | Thr gateway -> device ('that represents an L2 gateway') -> port layering was odd | 18:12 |
| armax | ijw: I appreciate that some nomenclature or abstraction may look unfamiliar to some people | 18:12 |
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| ijw | armax: I think the issue here is that we define these terms (which are quite overloaded) as we go along, and so a glossary might be necessary | 18:13 |
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| armax | and perhaps this was the reason why we were unable to ultimately reach to a consensu | 18:13 |
| armax | consensus | 18:13 |
| ijw | armax: There are other reasons too, I think | 18:13 |
| armax | ijw: that’s a good point | 18:13 |
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| ijw | armax: primarily that the stuff in the stackforge project sits neatly between two other efforts: | 18:13 |
| armax | ijw: that said, I wanted to stress the fact that if someone is compelled to come with his/her own version of what an l2gw should be | 18:14 |
| ijw | 1. attaching any L2 network to Openstack in a programmatic way - such as MPLS | 18:14 |
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| ijw | 2. merging L2 networks with VLANs, which doesn't have to be tied to anything physical | 18:14 |
| armax | they should be able to do so | 18:14 |
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| armax | cramming everything in a single project is not healthy IMO | 18:15 |
| ijw | armax: With apologies for taking this a step backwards, but maybe we could use the wiki top list use cases just so that it's clear what we're trying to address and what we aren't? | 18:15 |
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| Sukhdev | ijw: It is hard to make a conclusive list - however, I agree with the idea | 18:16 |
| armax | ijw: we tried to make the API spec as clear as possible as to what we’re targeting | 18:16 |
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| armax | ijw: I really don’t want to boil the ocean for now | 18:16 |
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| ijw | I'm the one who's usually arguing 'it doesn't do this', so think of this as stopping me arguing so that it's clear what you're trying to do and that you've considered and rejected other things | 18:16 |
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| ijw | Point about use cases is that you can say: 'here's a use case... and we aren't trying to do it' | 18:17 |
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| Sukhdev | ijw: I think the spec covers as to what we are trying to solve | 18:17 |
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| armax | ijw: nothing is definite, obviously | 18:17 |
| Sukhdev | ijw: it does not go into what we are not trying to cover | 18:17 |
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| ijw | Sukhdev: which is only fair, which is why I say wiki | 18:18 |
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| armax | ijw: there is always some degree of manouvre | 18:18 |
| ijw | Sukhdev: you did say that 'anyone who's interested in any sort of L2 GW should show up here'. I'm making the point that that spec is not the sum total of what we need | 18:18 |
| armax | ijw: I’d rather keep things in one place, to avoid the potential of getting things to become stale or outdated in one place | 18:18 |
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| Sukhdev | ijw: If I may, we can take two step process - | 18:19 |
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| Sukhdev | ijw: 1) to kick off a wiki, like you suggest to jot down the use cases etc., and | 18:19 |
| Sukhdev | 2) We proceed with what we have in terms of the progress on the API at hand | 18:20 |
| armax | ijw: anyone who is familiar or paid attention to l2gw related efforts in Neutron should have an idea to what this is about by now :) | 18:20 |
| ijw | Sukhdev: that's exactly what I was trying to get at - if we're all good with that | 18:20 |
| Sukhdev | ijw: Both efforts can go simultaneously | 18:20 |
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| ijw | armax: I can find year old speds that define L2GW differently, so it's really not as clear-cut as you're making out | 18:20 |
| Sukhdev | ijw: The question is how should we spend next few months to get something done in Kilo cycle | 18:21 |
| armax | ijw: ok | 18:21 |
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| Sukhdev | ijw - I think we do not want to get hung up on the exact definition of l2-gw | 18:22 |
| ijw | Sukhdev: your spec's really the only one that's close enough for that to happen, though I can't say I'm desperately enamoured of it | 18:22 |
| armax | ultimately everything bubbles up to an API | 18:22 |
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| Sukhdev | ijw: may be as you see more of it - you might change your openion :-) | 18:23 |
| armax | an API can evolve to accommodate use case | 18:23 |
| ijw | Sukhdev: but on the other hand as a separate project and with a well-defined interface to core Neutron I don't think that matters so much - you can try it and we can learn from it if it isn't right | 18:23 |
| armax | s | 18:23 |
| armax | one API that came out of the various efforts is the one that Maruti put together | 18:23 |
| Sukhdev | ijw: agree - that is why armax, I and others thought - lets move forward with what we have | 18:24 |
| ijw | armax: I would prefer that we had a more logical framework around attaching external L2 domains to a cloud, rather than make an API that's VLAN specific, and one that's MPLS specific. That's where my interest comes from here | 18:24 |
| armax | The intention of the people who kickstarted this project was to get that API to stage where we have some working code underpinning it | 18:24 |
| ijw | armax: And evolving a VLAN-specific API is unlikely to get us there, I think | 18:24 |
| armax | ijw: I don’t want to do that | 18:24 |
| Sukhdev | ijw: I think the use of VLAN may be confusing the issue - there is already a comment on the spec to change it | 18:25 |
| armax | this is not what this effort is about | 18:25 |
| ijw | armax: or a device-specific API, for that matter (as in, one that assumes that devices must be recorded in the DB before anything happens) | 18:26 |
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| armax | the reference to VLAN in the spec was to fix ideas, and to give us something concrete that we can bridge against, a use case if you will | 18:27 |
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| armax | ijw: if you feel that this API would not lead you to support MPLS, or weasels, or whatnot, this is probably not the right project | 18:28 |
| ijw | Look, I want this to work, I'm not trying to block things, I'm just laying my concerns out. If we're all happy I like the plan that we clarify the spec we have an lay out the use cases that involve L2 'gateways' of all flavours and types and the reasons why we might want them, in parallel, and we can work from there. Hopefully we'll have a wider audience than the three of us next time to see how that's worked out (I know K | 18:28 |
| ijw | evin is interested, for starters) | 18:28 |
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| armax | ijw: I don’t think that we are gonna be able to encompass all the possible use cases under a single umbrella | 18:28 |
| armax | we tried and failed | 18:28 |
| Sukhdev | armax, ijw : Like I suggested earlier - we can kick of a separate effort to cover the use cases, but, I rather use this meeting to make progress on the API at hand - and see how can this evolve over time to cover more use cases | 18:28 |
| armax | so at this point, I think we should realistically acknowledge that we need to agree to disagree and move separate ways | 18:29 |
| ijw | armax: think of it more as laying out our strategy | 18:29 |
| ijw | armax: not solving everything with a single spec, which as you rightly say is not going to work, but making sure that when the other stuff comes along it complements this | 18:29 |
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| Sukhdev | ijw: If we define the API correctly, I am sure we can come up with the extensions/enhancements that should be able to handle additional use cases | 18:30 |
| ijw | armax: (and, conversely, making sure that when someone comes along with the wrong idea of what this spec should be solving they can be referred to the wiki, which will hopefully explain that there's space for someone else to come along and fix the problem they have which is not the problem at hand) | 18:31 |
| armax | I know that you’re not here to block things :) and I realize that the effort laid out here might not necessarily fit with what you have in mind, but at one point we gotta draw the line; we tried to be as clear as possible as to what this type of L2GW is about | 18:31 |
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| ijw | armax, Sukhdev: you are now effectively arguing opposite sides of the coin ;) | 18:31 |
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| dougwig | (you have a wider audience now, it's just lurking, fyi.) | 18:32 |
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| Sukhdev | The worry I have is if we try to chew too much, we risk choking and come up with nothing | 18:32 |
| armax | ijw: not sure I understand | 18:32 |
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| ijw | So: we agree that we're looking for a pragmatic subset of what to do, right? We agree that this spec looks like it's going to work as that. I'm saying we just put the documentation in place to make that clear | 18:32 |
| ijw | (and not in the spec, because it doesn't belong in a spec) | 18:32 |
| armax | ijw: ok, what is the format that you propose? | 18:33 |
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| armax | or that you think would be a better fit to clarying the confusion? | 18:33 |
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| Sukhdev | ijw: I agreed with your point, and hence suggested, we kick off a separate task to create a wiki with the use cases - perhaps that effort can be out of the scope for this meeting for the time being | 18:34 |
| ijw | armax: So, as I said - we start a wiki page, we list the use cases, we then explain what we are doing with this specific spec to solve some of those use cases, and when everyone else comes along with their other requirements they document those and list their specs there too | 18:34 |
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| armax | ijw: ok, I can have a stub at that | 18:35 |
| Sukhdev | ijw: Do I hear a volunteer to put together that wiki? I can help... | 18:35 |
| ijw | I'm happy to join in: start it off and mail me | 18:35 |
| ijw | I'll stick in a few more bits | 18:35 |
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| armax | ijw: :) | 18:35 |
| ijw | They will not be what this spec addresses, which is, I think, the point ;) | 18:35 |
| Sukhdev | ijw: OK - looks like we are converging :-) | 18:35 |
| armax | as I said, I don’t want to boil the ocean right now | 18:35 |
| ijw | Right, so we're good. Sukhdev, that aside, would you define your terms in the spec somewhere near the top, maybe ;) | 18:35 |
| ijw | armax: yup, that's fine | 18:36 |
| Sukhdev | #action: ijw and Sukhdev to work on a wiki to list all the use cases under the L2-GW umbrella | 18:36 |
| armax | and I also don’t want to go in never ending arguments | 18:36 |
| ijw | armax: I'm effectively saying that if we write stuff down that we are explicitly not doing at this moment in time, we will not spend another half hour explaining it to each other ;) | 18:36 |
| Sukhdev | ijw: I just assigned you a task - hope you are OK with it | 18:36 |
| ijw | yup, fine | 18:37 |
| Sukhdev | OK - cool - lets move on then folks | 18:37 |
| armax | well, my point is that the use cases you’re after initially are not the ones we’re after | 18:37 |
| ijw | armax: I know | 18:37 |
| armax | so I am not sure ijw is the one that’s best tasked with this initial wiki documentation | 18:37 |
| ijw | armax: let's stop with this bit and I'll chat with you in #openstack-neutron later | 18:38 |
| armax | ijw: sure | 18:38 |
| Sukhdev | armax: the idea is to put the wiki for the completeness sake and then folks can decide how much effort they are willing to chip in to implement those | 18:38 |
| armax | Sukhdev: ok, sure let | 18:38 |
| ijw | Which, for what it's worth, may even be in different stackforge projects | 18:38 |
| armax | let’s have a stab at this collaboratively | 18:39 |
| ijw | armax: the point is to have something to point at to make them understand they're not what we're doing right this instant. | 18:39 |
| armax | ijw: indeed, we can have an overarching wiki page that list all the l2gw flavors we can come up with | 18:39 |
| ijw | K. | 18:39 |
| ijw | Sukhdev: what else did you want to discuss? | 18:40 |
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| Sukhdev | ijw: We want to cover the API which we have so far - | 18:40 |
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| maruti | We have basic code (patchsets) that have been submitted. | 18:40 |
| Sukhdev | I want maruti and armax to take the stage and bring everybody in sync with what we have | 18:40 |
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| Sukhdev | maruti: how have you tested it? | 18:41 |
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| maruti | Yes | 18:41 |
| armax | Sukhdev: as I mentioned the spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144173/ has gone through a number of iterations | 18:41 |
| maruti | Sukhdev: we have tested it using REST APIs. | 18:42 |
| ijw | maruti: presumably the implementation was ML2/OVS? | 18:43 |
| ijw | (not looked at the patchsets, sorry) | 18:43 |
| armax | to some, this looks like the one that the Nicira implemented for the NVP plugin | 18:43 |
| armax | ijw: well, the architecture being chosen is via service plugins | 18:44 |
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| maruti | service plugin (not ML2 plugin) | 18:44 |
| Sukhdev | armax: correct - that is exactly what we discussed in Paris Summit | 18:44 |
| armax | so in theory this can integrate with ML2/OVS or others, but we’ll work ML2/OVS is the initial choice | 18:44 |
| ijw | armax: I admit my ignorance but I've not seen a good explanation of how service plugins work - is there a reference I should be reading? | 18:45 |
| armax | um…the code? :) | 18:45 |
| armax | ijw: sorry I don’t have a better answer right now | 18:45 |
| ijw | armax: so helpful ;) - that's fine, but any specific files? | 18:45 |
| Sukhdev | ijw: /neutron/neutron/services | 18:46 |
| ijw | ta | 18:46 |
| armax | um…https://github.com/openstack/neutron/tree/master/neutron/services | 18:46 |
| maruti | ijw: you may look at FwaaS, or VPNaaS or LBaaS code | 18:46 |
| armax | that’s the entry point for a bunch of the services related stuff | 18:46 |
| Sukhdev | ijw: L3Router, Lbaas, Fwaas, etc. they all use this model | 18:47 |
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| armax | a service plugin is the underpinning block that would allow us to integrate loosely with Neutron core right now | 18:48 |
| armax | and that would let us experiment with the API | 18:48 |
| Sukhdev | maruti: I will ping you off-line to seek some help/advise to get me going with your patch - I want to pull it and start to play with it and see if I can make it work with Arista HA | 18:48 |
| Sukhdev | *HW | 18:48 |
| ijw | got a link to the patches? | 18:49 |
| armax | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/networking-l2gw,n,z | 18:49 |
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| maruti | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144097/ | 18:49 |
| armax | that’s what I can see so far | 18:49 |
| maruti | thanks armax | 18:50 |
| selva_ | armax : I have a question related to extensions file placement in the advance services repo | 18:50 |
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| selva_ | looks like extensions files are kept in neutron repo | 18:50 |
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| armax | selva_: extensions can be added elsewhere | 18:51 |
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| armax | you can look at this project for an example: https://github.com/stackforge/group-based-policy/tree/master/gbpservice/neutron/extensions | 18:51 |
| ijw | So just for a bit of architectural clarification, you're talking to the OVSDBs directly from the L2GW code in parallel to the OVS agents? | 18:51 |
| selva_ | ok . Can I add in the stackforge itself ? I want everyone to review once I have updated it | 18:52 |
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| selva_ | thanks armax | 18:52 |
| maruti | OVSDB here is different server (2.3.x) that supports hardware_vtep schema - that is one implementation of the APIs. | 18:53 |
| armax | the initial implementation that maruti has been working on is about talking to OVSDB on a physical switch | 18:53 |
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| Sukhdev | armax, selva_ : extensions should go where the API will live, no? | 18:53 |
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| maruti | OVS agents communicate with OVSDB db on CN/NNs | 18:53 |
| armax | ijw: but we need some volunteer for the implementation that relies purely on a software node | 18:53 |
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| armax | Sukhdev: right | 18:54 |
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| ijw | maruti: ok, that makes sense, thanks | 18:54 |
| * ijw had a different mental picture, everything fits into place a lot better with that comment | 18:54 | |
| Sukhdev | ijw: LIke I said, once you understand it better, you may start to like it :-):-) | 18:55 |
| * Sukhdev 5 min left | 18:55 | |
| ijw | Sukhdev: you optimist, you ;) | 18:55 |
| maruti | :) | 18:55 |
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| Sukhdev | Folks, we are close to the end of time - I want to ask a question | 18:56 |
| armax | Sukhdev: so maybe we should recap | 18:56 |
| ijw | I've run out of annoying arguments now, I think | 18:56 |
| armax | ijw: nah, you’re good :) | 18:56 |
| Sukhdev | Do you believe we should meet more often or every other week? | 18:56 |
| armax | I think a forthnight is fine, but we always hang out on the channel so that shouldn’t stop us from talking ad hoc | 18:57 |
| Sukhdev | armax: sounds good - | 18:57 |
| Sukhdev | Now to recap - | 18:57 |
| ijw | Generally two weeks, but I'd have one next week as a special occasion | 18:58 |
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| armax | ijw: makes sens | 18:58 |
| armax | e | 18:58 |
| ijw | This went out late and it looks like we won't be bored next week | 18:58 |
| Sukhdev | We have an action item - for ijw and Sukhdev to put together a wiki - to cover use case for L2-GW | 18:58 |
| Sukhdev | 2) We all agree with the direction we are heading into | 18:58 |
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| armax | Sukhdev: feel free to ping me on this, I’d be happy to help | 18:59 |
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| Sukhdev | armax: I will - wanted to keep you out of this so that you can concentrate with maruti to get the API going | 18:59 |
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| armax | Sukhdev: right, the other aspect is that I’ll work with maruti and selva_ and others to whip the code into shape | 19:00 |
| Sukhdev | 3) team's goal is to have the API working before the end of Kilo cycle | 19:00 |
| maruti | yes | 19:01 |
| Sukhdev | armax: correct, I think your time will be well spent working with maruti, selva_ and others to get this API tested and put into better shape | 19:01 |
| Sukhdev | Anything - I missed? | 19:01 |
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| ijw | And I think we're clear I don't want what you want, but I'm happy on doc tasks and keeping a reviewing eye out | 19:02 |
| ijw | You'll just have to tell me to shut up if I'm in the wrong | 19:02 |
| armax | ijw: there’s no right or wrong here | 19:02 |
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| armax | just different :) | 19:02 |
| Sukhdev | ijw: I think we will turn you around - just wait and watch :-):-) | 19:02 |
| armax | I think we overrun | 19:03 |
| ijw | armax: yes, but I'll get in the way if I'm extending the scope beyond a certain point, so just push back and I'll document things up | 19:03 |
| armax | no-one kicked us out yet | 19:03 |
| Sukhdev | OK - folks thanks for attending | 19:03 |
| maruti | Are we meeting next week? | 19:03 |
| Sukhdev | #endmeeting | 19:03 |
| ijw | yes | 19:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 5 19:03:22 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_l2gw/2015/networking_l2gw.2015-01-05-18.02.html | 19:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_l2gw/2015/networking_l2gw.2015-01-05-18.02.txt | 19:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_l2gw/2015/networking_l2gw.2015-01-05-18.02.log.html | 19:03 |
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| maruti | ok | 19:03 |
| armax | ijw: understood | 19:03 |
| zehicle | meeting start Refstack | 19:03 |
| Sukhdev | I thought we are meeting every other week | 19:04 |
| zehicle | #startmeeting Refstack | 19:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 5 19:04:06 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zehicle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 19:04 |
| catherine_d|1 | o/ | 19:04 |
| sslypushenko__ | Hi to all! o/ | 19:04 |
| catherine_d|1 | Happy New Year to all! | 19:04 |
| sslypushenko__ | You to! | 19:05 |
| * sarob lurking | 19:05 | |
| hogepodge | o/ | 19:05 |
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| zehicle | we've got a lot to talk about since there's a f2f next week | 19:06 |
| zehicle | agenda items: f2f agenda and logistics, API spec & updates | 19:07 |
| catherine_d|1 | yep .. Perhaps we should plan on the agenda | 19:07 |
| hogepodge | +1 to agenda | 19:07 |
| zehicle | gerrit backlog, capabilities lists | 19:07 |
| zehicle | I'm not going to be there, who wants to lead the discussion about agenda? starting w/ start/end times | 19:07 |
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| catherine_d|1 | We need Rocky ... | 19:08 |
| hogepodge | The scheduled dates are January 12-14 | 19:08 |
| * zehicle texting Rocky to see if she's online | 19:09 | |
| zehicle | #topic face to face meeting | 19:10 |
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| zehicle | sorry, not a good moderator :P | 19:10 |
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| hogepodge | That's three days. From what I gather Huawei is providing space and lunch through Rocky. | 19:10 |
| hogepodge | Location address is 2330 Central Expressway, Santa Clara, CA 95050 | 19:10 |
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| zehicle | Start/end times? | 19:11 |
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| hogepodge | I was assuming 9-5, but travel and work times may differ. My flight leaves San Jose at 7:00 pm Wednesday, so I won't be able to get a full day in. However, it would make sense to split our time up into six blocks | 19:12 |
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| hogepodge | morning/afternoon each day. | 19:12 |
| hogepodge | Anyone else have any thoughts on that? | 19:13 |
| zehicle | so 10am to 6pm? | 19:13 |
| catherine_d|1 | That is good for me ... | 19:13 |
| zehicle | that means there are 6 blocks of time to schedule | 19:14 |
| hogepodge | I'd like at least two devoted to hacking and dev work. Try to advance things in person with the end goal of having a fully working client/server. | 19:15 |
| hogepodge | At least one needs to be planning future work. API additions and plans. | 19:15 |
| zehicle | I'd put those in the middle | 19:15 |
| zehicle | Maybe Tues AM & Wed AM? | 19:16 |
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| hogepodge | I think that's a good idea. | 19:16 |
| catherine_d|1 | Are we going to have working session that actually will work on code to get a few API up and running? | 19:16 |
| catherine_d|1 | or just planning session? | 19:17 |
| zehicle | do we have an etherpad for this yet? | 19:17 |
| hogepodge | catherine_d|1 yes, I'd like to have that. I don't want to leave without a working system that can collect results. | 19:17 |
| catherine_d|1 | hogepodge: +1 | 19:17 |
| catherine_d|1 | at least have a couple working ... | 19:17 |
| hogepodge | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-january-2015-midcycle | 19:17 |
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| catherine_d|1 | to set the framework at least | 19:18 |
| rockyg | O/ | 19:18 |
| catherine_d|1 | Hello rockyg: | 19:19 |
| hogepodge | I'd also like a session for UUID hacking. Move the implementation of the spec forward (and spend the week getting the qa team to review the spec in advance) | 19:19 |
| catherine_d|1 | is 10:00 to 6:00 sounds good? | 19:19 |
| hogepodge | (by spend the week I mean this week) | 19:20 |
| rockyg | Hi.might get dropped.On I 5 | 19:20 |
| hogepodge | Except for Wednesday that's fine by me. I actually prefer an earlier start, but I realize that others may have travel concerns from around the region. | 19:20 |
| hogepodge | Of course, rockyg is the ultimate authority on space availability :-) | 19:21 |
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| rockyg | Lots of space.but traffic is a bear here. | 19:22 |
| zehicle | I've been updating the page.... but since I'm not going to be in person, it needs review | 19:22 |
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| hogepodge | I'd also like a session on project organization. Try to set up a framework for regularizing the meetings, setting agendas ahead of time, and working on goals and project timelines. | 19:22 |
| zehicle | earlier will be better for SergeyLukjanov and I | 19:22 |
| zehicle | sorry sslypushenko__ and I | 19:23 |
| rockyg | We could schedule docs/help sprints early and give time to coders to get to the show. | 19:23 |
| hogepodge | Maybe Monday morning for that? | 19:23 |
| rockyg | S/show/site | 19:23 |
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| rockyg | Works for me | 19:25 |
| zehicle | ok, adjusting | 19:25 |
| rockyg | Don't know if this was covered....could probably get a session with some infra folks local.Monty and maybe j Blair | 19:26 |
| zehicle | davidlenwell, said that we'd have the API working by then | 19:26 |
| zehicle | getting infra and/or QA engaged would be great | 19:26 |
| zehicle | anything formal in the evening? | 19:27 |
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| rockyg | Let's let David Lenwell and me work the Infras | 19:28 |
| catherine_d|1 | On the Tuesday coding ... is that for API or UUID? | 19:28 |
| zehicle | API is top prority | 19:28 |
| catherine_d|1 | zehicle: ++1 | 19:28 |
| zehicle | so, UUID only if the API work is moving | 19:28 |
| hogepodge | yes. We already have some uuid code from sslypushenko in progress | 19:29 |
| zehicle | other discussion for agenda? | 19:29 |
| hogepodge | Dinner on Tuesday night? | 19:30 |
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| hogepodge | Monday night works too. | 19:30 |
| rockyg | Let's see what day we can get infra | 19:30 |
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| zehicle | I added places for RSVPs so you can get a head count | 19:31 |
| zehicle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-january-2015-midcycle | 19:31 |
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| rockyg | Thanks | 19:32 |
| zehicle | next topic? | 19:32 |
| zehicle | #topic API spec & updates | 19:33 |
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| zehicle | David and I talked on Friday about this. I suggested that we could decouple how we store the results from the API for the very short term | 19:34 |
| zehicle | so some of the DB schema items could be deferred to unblock actually getting the API in use | 19:34 |
| hogepodge | Sure. | 19:34 |
| zehicle | that does NOT mean they are not import, I'm trying to work out an MVP that let's us start external testing of the refstack client | 19:34 |
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| sslypushenko__ | I'm planning to propose new DB schema with will be universal | 19:35 |
| zehicle | double negative - storing results is important | 19:35 |
| hogepodge | I'd like us to consider building on the sql tools that the tempest team have built out for reporting and possibly storage. | 19:35 |
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| hogepodge | qa and infra have a solid interest in storing and managing results based on their needs. It feels right to build on their work. | 19:36 |
| sslypushenko__ | I think I will do it my tomorrow. So anybody can review it | 19:36 |
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| hogepodge | sslypushenko__ are you planning on going nosql? | 19:36 |
| sslypushenko__ | No | 19:36 |
| hogepodge | +1 :-) | 19:37 |
| rockyg | Cool | 19:37 |
| sslypushenko__ | It will slow down our development process | 19:37 |
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| zehicle | hogepodge, that could be interesting. I'd want to hear more about their use cases | 19:37 |
| sslypushenko__ | Just an extension for David's proposal | 19:38 |
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| zehicle | where do we stand w/ the API right now? | 19:39 |
| sslypushenko__ | I'm planning to land DB schema and connect DB to API prototype | 19:41 |
| zehicle | ok | 19:41 |
| sslypushenko__ | It is real to get demo version to the next Monday | 19:41 |
| zehicle | seems like we have API spec and code in process. no blocks on reviews | 19:42 |
| zehicle | davidlenwell, said that he would be getting something up there too. | 19:42 |
| sslypushenko__ | It will be good if this patch will be landed as soon as possible https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144602/ | 19:42 |
| zehicle | so, we should expect that API will be usable for f2f meeting | 19:42 |
| sslypushenko__ | <zehicle> Hope so) | 19:43 |
| zehicle | #topic UUID | 19:44 |
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| zehicle | we need reviews of the UUID spec | 19:44 |
| zehicle | I am, reluctantly, giving up on human readable UUIDs | 19:45 |
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| zehicle | so I'm not blocking. We will need to have code that does translations from LONGUUIDs into things that people can understand | 19:45 |
| hogepodge | zehicle I'm not opposed to human readable uuids. I just don't know how to design it. | 19:45 |
| rockyg | Do we have any qa reviews yet? | 19:46 |
| zehicle | hogepodge, the QA & Infra teams are | 19:46 |
| zehicle | they don't want to deal w/ collision issues | 19:46 |
| sslypushenko__ | <hogepodge> +1 | 19:46 |
| zehicle | so, it's a non-starter | 19:46 |
| zehicle | rockyg, I think they would be more eager if we showed our team was aligned on it | 19:46 |
| * zehicle reserves the right to say I told you so when people complain about the capability JSON files | 19:47 | |
| catherine_d|1 | Did we have an UUID spec written after Paris? | 19:47 |
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| zehicle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144329/2/specs/meta-data-and-uuid-for-tests.rst | 19:47 |
| zehicle | please review and comment | 19:48 |
| zehicle | other gerrit/review topics before I move on? | 19:49 |
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| hogepodge | I dropped the link to the qa team too and asked for some reviews so we can iterate on it. | 19:49 |
| zehicle | hogepodge, thanks. we need their support to move this ahead. | 19:49 |
| zehicle | #topic defcore capabilities files | 19:50 |
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| zehicle | before Julia left, she submitted updates to both Icehouse & Juno capabilities files | 19:50 |
| zehicle | these are PRELIMINARY for discussion and I'd like to move them forward | 19:50 |
| zehicle | but wanted catherine_d|1 to review and +1 | 19:51 |
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| zehicle | hogepodge, and I were talking last week and we'd like to see if DefCore can work BOTH lists in parallel | 19:51 |
| catherine_d|1 | zehicle: I will review them ... | 19:51 |
| zehicle | does not impact refstack directly, but wanted to keep you all in the loop | 19:51 |
| rockyg | Zehicle. +1 | 19:52 |
| zehicle | we're making contingency plans for DefCore so vendors can self-certify without Refstack | 19:52 |
| zehicle | ideally, the API progress makes that a non-issue | 19:52 |
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| hogepodge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136314/ | 19:52 |
| hogepodge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131187/ | 19:52 |
| zehicle | either way, we really need to have those files for community review in early March | 19:52 |
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| zehicle | questions or comments? | 19:53 |
| zehicle | since leadership on DefCore may change after mid-January, I'm trying to get this setup in a good place. | 19:54 |
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| * zehicle means that he may not get re-elected to the Board and would not be leading DefCore | 19:54 | |
| sarob | we need the json files out there so operators at the various companies that will be | 19:54 |
| sarob | testing and reporting to mgmt on refstack impact to their distro | 19:55 |
| zehicle | sarob, +1. hogepodge is going to help run the scoring/feedback sessions starting ASAP | 19:55 |
| sarob | so getting a version out there is important | 19:55 |
| sarob | even if flawed | 19:55 |
| rockyg | So maybe we should also try to get a session at the ops meet up | 19:55 |
| zehicle | according to Van L, there are places that need to be addressed | 19:55 |
| sarob | rockyg most def | 19:56 |
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| sarob | im aiming to have it as one of the main topics for the pm midcycle | 19:56 |
| zehicle | rockyg, +`1. hogepodge can you coordiate w/ Tom F? | 19:56 |
| rockyg | Mid March | 19:56 |
| hogepodge | zehicle yes. | 19:56 |
| rockyg | I think I'll be there | 19:56 |
| sarob | i will as well | 19:56 |
| zehicle | sarob, that would be excellent | 19:56 |
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| zehicle | # other topics? | 19:57 |
| zehicle | #topic other items | 19:57 |
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| * zehicle reminds everyone that EVERY VOTE will count for the Bylaws changes. We need to get a quorum to pass anything! | 19:58 | |
| sarob | roger roger | 19:58 |
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| rockyg | When will vote mail come out | 19:59 |
| zehicle | let's make sure to say on top of reviews leading into the F2F. | 19:59 |
| zehicle | rockyg, 1/12 | 19:59 |
| rockyg | Thanks | 19:59 |
| hogepodge | Oh, add that to the agenda. Time for us to vote during the meetup. | 19:59 |
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| zehicle | Gold member elections should be this week. can you confirm sarob ? | 19:59 |
| sarob | umm | 20:00 |
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| sarob | i think next week | 20:00 |
| zehicle | done | 20:00 |
| zehicle | has to be before the general elections | 20:00 |
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| zehicle | "January 7: Gold Member Director Selector Election (1 day)" | 20:00 |
| * redrobot checks the time... ;) | 20:01 | |
| hogepodge | Operators meetup. Mar 9-10, 2015, Philadelphia, USA | 20:01 |
| zehicle | #endmeetign | 20:01 |
| zehicle | #endmeeting | 20:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 5 20:01:25 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-01-05-19.04.html | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-01-05-19.04.txt | 20:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-01-05-19.04.log.html | 20:01 |
| SheenaG1 | o/ | 20:01 |
| SheenaG1 | I'm here!!! | 20:01 |
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| jaosorior | :O/ | 20:01 |
| woodster_ | o/ | 20:01 |
| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 5 20:01:55 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:01 |
| tsv | o/ | 20:02 |
| redrobot | Happy New Year everyone! | 20:02 |
| greghaynes | O/ | 20:02 |
| tkelsey | o/ | 20:02 |
| elmiko | \o/ | 20:02 |
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| jaosorior | Happy new year and stuff! :D | 20:02 |
| rellerreller | o/ | 20:02 |
| redrobot | Feels good to come back from vacation. :) | 20:02 |
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| dave-mccowan | o/ | 20:02 |
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| woodster_ | o/ | 20:03 |
| woodster_ | Happy new baby rellerreller! | 20:03 |
| rellerreller | Thanks! | 20:03 |
| jvrbanac | u/ | 20:03 |
| redrobot | Lots of barbicaneers here today! ... Much better than last week. :) | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | Yeah! Congratulations rellerreller !! | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | Also I want to give a shout out to chellygel (even though she isn't here) for taking over meeting duties while I was away | 20:04 |
| elmiko | +1 | 20:04 |
| redrobot | ok, let's get this party started | 20:04 |
| redrobot | as usual the agenda can be found here: | 20:04 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican | 20:05 |
| redrobot | #topic Kilo Milestone 1 released | 20:05 |
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| redrobot | Kilo-1 was released by Thierry right before Christmas | 20:05 |
| redrobot | #link https://launchpad.net/barbican/kilo/kilo-1 | 20:05 |
| redrobot | many thanks to everyone who made the release possible! | 20:06 |
| redrobot | Any questions/comments about Kilo-1 ? | 20:06 |
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| jaosorior | noup | 20:07 |
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| redrobot | Just as a heads up, we have exactly one month before Kilo-2 is due | 20:07 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 20:07 |
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| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:07 |
| redrobot | #topic Quota Blueprint | 20:08 |
| redrobot | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/barbican/+spec/quota-support-on-barbican-resources | 20:08 |
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| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132091/ | 20:08 |
| redrobot | woodster_ do you want to talk about this BP? | 20:08 |
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| redrobot | I thought I saw tsv raise a hand earlier | 20:09 |
| tsv | redrobot, woodster, Juan added a comment to my spec to use the oslo common quota implementation | 20:09 |
| woodster_ | tsv, awesome! | 20:09 |
| tsv | i looked at that one and it seems very much usable. it also has user+project level support. do we need user level quota support ? | 20:10 |
| woodster_ | tsv, do you think you'll have cycles to work on that bp for Kilo? | 20:10 |
| hyakuhei_ | Per project quota can be tricky when you have no way to ensure the number of projects that can be created by one $bad_guy. I think te proposal makes sense to stop accidental resource consumption though | 20:10 |
| tsv | yes. sorry about the delay last year. am now back to work on it | 20:10 |
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| woodster_ | I'm thinking project vs user level is also related to the per-secret RBAC blueprint work | 20:11 |
| tsv | hyakuhei_, thanks. that makes sense. so we have project, user and class level quotas | 20:11 |
| woodster_ | maybe not...seems we can keep those concerns separate | 20:11 |
| tsv | ok | 20:11 |
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| tsv | i am now checking if the config entries I put in the spec is covered by the oslo common code. if not, those needs to be added by an extension | 20:13 |
| redrobot | does this BP need to be re-written to reflect Oslo-quota usage? | 20:13 |
| tsv | redrobot, yes. i got to do that yet | 20:13 |
| redrobot | tsv ok | 20:13 |
| redrobot | #action tsv to update Quota BP to use oslo quota | 20:14 |
| redrobot | any other questions/comments about this BP? | 20:15 |
| tsv | redrobot, not from me | 20:15 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on... | 20:15 |
| redrobot | #topic Bug 1376469 | 20:15 |
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| alee | so just to confirm, this BP only relates to project quotas? | 20:15 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1376469 in barbican "Creating a "key" type order without a name set in "meta" produces a null when retrieved" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1376469 | 20:15 |
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| tsv | alee, yes. project and project+class level quotas | 20:16 |
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| jaosorior | Yeah, even though it's low prio, just stumbled upon that bug and wanted to get some input before doing anything | 20:16 |
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| alee | tsv, ok thanks | 20:16 |
| woodster_ | I'm agreeing with jaosorior that secret name should be optional, and not auto-filled out by Barbican with a UUID or what not | 20:17 |
| redrobot | So the open question is, should auto-populating the name with the secret UUID be removed? And if so, what should the default value be when the name is not provided? | 20:18 |
| jaosorior | basically for both secrets and Containers, if the name is left empty, when retrieving it the UUID is shown... yet, in reality the name is actually empty in the database | 20:18 |
| jaosorior | so what happens is that if someone tries to use that UUID to query for the entity, it will not work | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | I'm in favor of removing the logic that assings the UUID to the name. I think an empty string would be a sensible default (as opposed to a null value) | 20:18 |
| jaosorior | so I would like to get rid of this fake auto-population | 20:18 |
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| alee | jaosorior, sounds good to me. | 20:19 |
| elmiko | empty string seems reasonable, especially if the db entry is empty | 20:19 |
| rellerreller | What are the properties of a name? Does a name have any uniqueness properties? | 20:19 |
| jaosorior | alright, so what could be done is to have an empty string as a default value, and change the model to be non-nullable | 20:19 |
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| alee | jaosorior, why do we even want an empty string? why can't it be null? | 20:20 |
| jaosorior | wait up, gotta recheck | 20:20 |
| woodster_ | So if not specified, the name is an empty string? So when that secret meta is retrieved, a 'name' attribute would be returned even if not specified in the original secret? | 20:20 |
| jaosorior | why would we want to check for nulls if null semantically represents the same as an empty string | 20:20 |
| woodster_ | I'm preferring not to return fields that are optional and not specified originally | 20:21 |
| jaosorior | the name is not an empty string, it would end up as null | 20:21 |
| rellerreller | Null and empty string are not the same to me. Null mean no user input. Empty string may or may not have been set by user. | 20:21 |
| redrobot | woodster_ I would prefer to return a standard response, than to selectively return different responses depending on what was populated | 20:22 |
| redrobot | no reason why it couldn't be Null... I'm just not a fan of null values. | 20:22 |
| alee | rellerreller, exactly -- which is why I would prefer null. | 20:22 |
| alee | if user specifies nothing | 20:22 |
| alee | redrobot, I'd prefer not to output anything if the user specified nothing | 20:22 |
| jaosorior | alee, rellerreller: I see your point, but what | 20:23 |
| jaosorior | what's the added value in having that? It would end up in some extra checks | 20:23 |
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| jaosorior | as opposed as having it simplified by not having null values | 20:23 |
| woodster_ | rellerreller, I agree when the fields are part of some standard form/template, but metadata about a secret is more user customizable in my mind | 20:23 |
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| rellerreller | It only matters if someone cares if a value has been set or not. | 20:24 |
| woodster_ | well, if folks are ok with seeing 'name': '' returned for secret metadata always, even if the 'name' wasn't originally supplied, that is ok with me. | 20:24 |
| alee | can I search for secrets with name = "" ? | 20:24 |
| rellerreller | It does not matter much to me either way. I was just stating that to me null and "" are not the same. | 20:25 |
| redrobot | woodster_ it would say "name": null | 20:25 |
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| rellerreller | Why not set default name to UUID string? | 20:25 |
| rellerreller | That way names are more unique | 20:25 |
| woodster_ | redrobot, in that case nulls all the way through would work...we'd jsut remove the bit of code that strips name if it is null when the secret model is returned to client | 20:26 |
| jaosorior | alee: yup | 20:26 |
| jaosorior | at least list them | 20:26 |
| alee | it doesn't matter much to me, but I do think that we should treat all optional fields in the same way. What do we do for other optional fields? | 20:26 |
| redrobot | rellerreller the argument was that UUID can't be queried, so there's not much use to setting the name to be a UUID | 20:26 |
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| woodster_ | rellerreller, the name field is free form wrt clients...they could create all their secrets with same name or no name | 20:26 |
| jaosorior | redrobot: Actually, the argument was that the UUID that was being displayed cannot be queried the way it is implemented now | 20:27 |
| woodster_ | If we want UUID default, we'd need to populate that in the database as well so it could be queried | 20:27 |
| jaosorior | I wouldn't mind having the UUID as a default value, as long as it's documented, and actually persisted in the database, which at the moment it's not | 20:27 |
| rellerreller | I think if we are going to return a default value then that should be the value in the DB | 20:27 |
| jaosorior | rellerreller: exactly | 20:27 |
| rellerreller | Otherwise we may search for default values that are set | 20:28 |
| rellerreller | but not be able to find them. | 20:28 |
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| redrobot | rellerreller I think we're all in agreement on that point | 20:28 |
| jaosorior | well... I guess we all agree that what we display to the user should be what's in the database | 20:28 |
| elmiko | jaosorior: +1 | 20:29 |
| redrobot | yeah, the question then is, what should the default Name be when no name is provided by the user | 20:29 |
| rellerreller | So really the change will come in the put or post method? | 20:29 |
| jaosorior | now, who's into the idea of returning null values? | 20:29 |
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| woodster_ | well, what is the purpose of the 'name' field anyway? Originally it was just an optional convenience info to add to a secret. If that is still the case, I'm favoring leaving it unspecified (null) if not provided by the client. | 20:29 |
| redrobot | options are 1) UUID, 2) Blank Name, 3) Null value | 20:29 |
| alee | I vote 3 | 20:29 |
| rellerreller | +1 3 | 20:30 |
| jaosorior | redrobot: thanks... that's actually more efficient than what I was doing | 20:30 |
| woodster_ | I vote null, as it represents the absence of a selection...an opt-out if you will. | 20:30 |
| jvrbanac | 1 or 3 | 20:30 |
| woodster_ | +1 3 | 20:30 |
| jaosorior | 2 | 20:30 |
| jaosorior | anybody else? | 20:30 |
| dstufft | +1 | 20:30 |
| redrobot | dstufft +1 to # ? | 20:30 |
| woodster_ | dstufft +1 on 1? :) | 20:31 |
| greghaynes | Just a general +1 on the voting? :p | 20:31 |
| dstufft | 3 sorry | 20:31 |
| dstufft | I'm also +1 on voting in general ;) | 20:31 |
| jaosorior | OK, so I guess it's quite clear that 3 wins | 20:31 |
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| jaosorior | I'll upload a patch soon then | 20:31 |
| redrobot | jaosorior I was on board with #2 with you, but it seems we're outnumbered :) | 20:31 |
| rellerreller | So will optional values be returned or have a null value? | 20:31 |
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| woodster_ | I think we are also saying to always return 'name' in the returned metadata...so 'name': null would be possible | 20:31 |
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| jaosorior | woodster_: indeed | 20:32 |
| woodster_ | I'm ok with that one...but we'll need to be consistent with other optional fields too | 20:32 |
| jaosorior | well, this sort of stuff could be filtered in the client | 20:32 |
| redrobot | yes, I would prefer that well defined fields (such as name in a secret) always be returned. So "name": null should be returned for secrets where no name was provided | 20:32 |
| woodster_ | +1 on that | 20:33 |
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| jvrbanac | Am I the only one that feels like nulls coming back is a bit ugly | 20:33 |
| alee | what do we do with the other optonal values? | 20:33 |
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| jaosorior | jvrbanac: redrobot and me thought so too, but people have voted | 20:33 |
| woodster_ | alee, we do suppress other optional fields...so those would need to change too | 20:33 |
| alee | woodster_, I would suggest suppressing this one too | 20:34 |
| elmiko | jvrbanac: seems a little ugly, but if the user requested nothing maybe it's the most appropriate | 20:34 |
| dstufft | null is the absence of vlaue value | 20:34 |
| woodster_ | jvrbanac, do you mean nulls coming back vs not returning an optional field if it is null? | 20:34 |
| jaosorior | so I guess what would end up now is to always return the optional values, and if there's null it should say so | 20:34 |
| alee | treat it like every other optional field | 20:34 |
| alee | if there is no value, don't return anything | 20:34 |
| * dstufft thinks option fields should always return null | 20:34 | |
| dstufft | unless there is a value | 20:34 |
| jvrbanac | I normally wouldn't even present the value if it was null, | 20:35 |
| redrobot | alee what is the benefit of omitting fields? | 20:35 |
| greghaynes | Agreed with dstufft, if its optional it should be nullable, if you return empty string its effectively mandatory with a '' default which seems like an unecessary constraint | 20:35 |
| alee | redrobot, whats the benefit of returning fields with null values? | 20:35 |
| woodster_ | so just be clear, if the field is null, we are saying we want that field to be returned anyway, as 'field_name': null, correct? | 20:35 |
| dstufft | alee: it makes it easier to figure out when exploring the API what values can be returned | 20:36 |
| redrobot | alee It's easier to parse a secret, for example, if you know that all fields will always be present | 20:36 |
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| jaosorior | woodster_: uh... that's what I had understood, but now I'm a bit confused | 20:36 |
| jaosorior | dstufft: +1 | 20:36 |
| redrobot | alee instead of having to check whether a field exists in the response for every optional field | 20:36 |
| woodster_ | folks should be using barbican client anyway :) | 20:37 |
| redrobot | woodster_ yes, I would like to see nulled fields in the responses. alee would like to see them removed from the responses. | 20:37 |
| jaosorior | I went ahead and set the bug as invalid, since we are now going for the null values | 20:38 |
| jaosorior | now | 20:38 |
| woodster_ | as long as there aren't a lot of optional fields returned (which we don't have now), I'm ok with that. | 20:38 |
| dstufft | I mena in python you'll just do a data.get("optional") or something, but still, it makes things nicer I think to hav enulled fields, there's no question about what can be returned, and you can use data["foo"[ instead of .get() which means if you accidently type data["ofo"] instead of data.get("ofo") you'll get an immediate error instead of silently not returning anything | 20:38 |
| alee | redrobot, I'm open either way -- from an interface point of view, I think its cleaner to omit the nulls. | 20:38 |
| jvrbanac | I agree with alee, I think it's clean to omit as well | 20:39 |
| jvrbanac | ^cleaner | 20:39 |
| redrobot | jvrbanac cleaner how? It makes for uglier code when parsing the responses... | 20:39 |
| jaosorior | OK, A) show all values, B) omit null values | 20:39 |
| redrobot | +1 A | 20:39 |
| jaosorior | +1 A | 20:39 |
| dstufft | +1 A | 20:40 |
| jvrbanac | +1 B | 20:40 |
| elmiko | +1 A | 20:40 |
| alee | +1 B | 20:40 |
| greghaynes | +1 A | 20:40 |
| woodster_ | +1 A | 20:40 |
| tsv | +1 A | 20:40 |
| redrobot | +1000 Democracy :) | 20:40 |
| jaosorior | That was easy | 20:40 |
| redrobot | I think we've got this sorted out | 20:40 |
| woodster_ | So....is this an API contract change? :) | 20:40 |
| jaosorior | Alright, so I'll upload a CR with this change | 20:40 |
| redrobot | any other questions jaosorior ? | 20:40 |
| alee | just curious but how does the client code handle if an optional field is ever removed? | 20:41 |
| woodster_ | I think we've only documented example responses in our API docs so far...no verbiage about this behavior though | 20:41 |
| redrobot | woodster_ I don't think so... the structure of the response does not change. | 20:41 |
| redrobot | alee I think removing a field would be a breaking change... would have to be dealt with accordingly. | 20:42 |
| woodster_ | jaosorior, would that CR just focus on 'name', or apply to all secret meta fields? | 20:42 |
| jaosorior | redrobot: not that I can think of. I guess now only thing I need to do is push some code :P | 20:42 |
| jaosorior | as far as I remember, name was the only one with the weird behaviour | 20:42 |
| jaosorior | which is also the case for Containers | 20:42 |
| jaosorior | but I can check the rest of the fields, no problem | 20:43 |
| alee | redrobot, just pointing out that not checking for the existence of an attribute in the client makes it more rigid | 20:43 |
| alee | redrobot, you may ultimately have to check for attribute existence in any case. | 20:43 |
| alee | but democracy has spoken .. | 20:43 |
| redrobot | alee noted | 20:43 |
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| woodster_ | will this break any func tests? :) | 20:44 |
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| redrobot | woodster_ I doubt it... but I'm sure jaosorior would fix any breaking tests. :) | 20:46 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on... | 20:46 |
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| jaosorior | woodster_: I'm actually not sure, but if that's the case no biggie, would need to fix them anyway | 20:46 |
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| woodster_ | sounds good, thanks | 20:46 |
| redrobot | #topic Blueprint Status | 20:46 |
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| redrobot | woodster_ I think you added this topic? | 20:47 |
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| woodster_ | yep, just a general 'where are we at?' on those essential BP CRs | 20:47 |
| redrobot | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/barbican | 20:47 |
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| redrobot | we can go down the list I suppose? | 20:48 |
| redrobot | alee how is the common certificate API coming along? | 20:48 |
| woodster_ | I think alee has been updating those, just more if folks have open questions to air out here. Otherwise we can continue to discuss in our IRC channel | 20:48 |
| jaosorior | woodster_: Actually, seems like null name is untested in the functional test, I'll add that | 20:48 |
| rellerreller | One not listed on there yet is the content type spec. I will have that out today or tomorrow. | 20:48 |
| woodster_ | rellerreller, nice! | 20:49 |
| alee | redrobot, well -- the blueprint for that is approved | 20:49 |
| alee | redrobot, working on impl | 20:49 |
| greghaynes | I think the spec doesnt match impl at this point though, right? | 20:49 |
| woodster_ | rellerreller, does that have a corresponding https://blueprints.launchpad.net/barbican entry? | 20:49 |
| rellerreller | woodster_ I'm not sure | 20:50 |
| alee | greghaynes, right -- I'll update once the second impl patch is merged | 20:50 |
| rellerreller | If not then it will be created today or tomorrow as well | 20:50 |
| alee | redrobot, but from a bp point of view - its pretty much done right now. | 20:50 |
| woodster_ | rellerreller, if not, we should add that one so we can set it's priority...maybe we could decide the priority now? | 20:50 |
| redrobot | alee thanks! | 20:51 |
| alee | identify-cas is approved, starting to working on impl patches | 20:51 |
| redrobot | Looks like there's only two BPs with Essential priority still in review... | 20:51 |
| redrobot | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/barbican/+spec/add-per-secret-policy | 20:51 |
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| woodster_ | So could we vote on the priority to assign to rellerreller's BP? Or do we all think it is essential? | 20:51 |
| alee | add-per-secret-policy has a bunch of comments | 20:51 |
| redrobot | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/barbican/+spec/add-worker-retry-update-support | 20:51 |
| alee | I'm incorporating those and will have new version out today or tommorow | 20:51 |
| redrobot | woodster_ I think the Content-Type BP is essential | 20:52 |
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| woodster_ | redrobot, sounds good. | 20:52 |
| rellerreller | redrobot woodster_ I think essential as well since it could affect the secret stores and API | 20:53 |
| alee | agreed | 20:53 |
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| redrobot | Ok, we're running low on time for this week... | 20:54 |
| redrobot | any last minute questions/comments? | 20:54 |
| elmiko | yea, i'm curious about the origins of docs/src/wadl/Barbican.wadl | 20:54 |
| woodster_ | redrobot, regarding the add-worker-retry BP...that one merged already. I'll add the link to the bp to LaunchPad | 20:54 |
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| elmiko | is that file hand hacked or auto-generated? | 20:55 |
| redrobot | elmiko hand-hacked by one of Rackspace's technical writers... but I don't think she's had much time to work on it lately | 20:55 |
| elmiko | redrobot: ok, no worries. i'm doing some work on creating a swagger ref for barbican. just doing some background research about the wadl. | 20:56 |
| redrobot | elmiko the API working group is interested in using something like Swagger to try to automate the WADL generation... but we're still figuring that out... | 20:56 |
| elmiko | heh ;) | 20:56 |
| woodster_ | elmiko, I'll be taking a look at that along with the tech writer. | 20:56 |
| redrobot | elmiko are you working with the API WG folks? | 20:56 |
| elmiko | i have an auto-generator for sahara and i'm working one up for barb | 20:56 |
| elmiko | redrobot: yea | 20:56 |
| woodster_ | elmiko, that sounds nice! I'd like to talk more about that after this meeting if you can | 20:57 |
| elmiko | woodster_: ok, maybe i could ping you if i get further along? | 20:57 |
| elmiko | woodster_: sure, #openstack-barbican? | 20:57 |
| woodster_ | elmiko, please do, I'd appreciate that | 20:57 |
| woodster_ | elmiko, yes that works | 20:57 |
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| elmiko | cool, that's all i had. thanks | 20:57 |
| redrobot | ok, guys, thanks for coming out. See y'all back here next week! | 20:58 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 5 20:58:14 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-01-05-20.01.html | 20:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-01-05-20.01.txt | 20:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-01-05-20.01.log.html | 20:58 |
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