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| sarob | Whos here for the ambassador meeting? | 07:59 |
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| mrmartin | o/ | 07:59 |
| sarob | Morning | 08:00 |
| mrmartin | hi | 08:00 |
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| mrmartin | happy new year | 08:00 |
| mrmartin | we could wait a few minutes. | 08:00 |
| sarob | Okay | 08:01 |
| sarob | Why | 08:01 |
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| sarob | Happy new year | 08:01 |
| mrmartin | ok. | 08:01 |
| mrmartin | we can start if you like | 08:02 |
| RadekPospisil | you too | 08:02 |
| sarob | #startmeeting ambassadors | 08:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 6 08:02:11 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ambassadors)" | 08:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ambassadors' | 08:02 |
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| mrmartin | not much happened since the last meeting due to holidays | 08:02 |
| sarob | We can still wait for a few more to arrive | 08:02 |
| sarob | Me either | 08:02 |
| sarob | :/ | 08:02 |
| mrmartin | but, yesterday I get an approval of oauth2 infra patch, and I'm doing the portal release now | 08:03 |
| mrmartin | so this is the good news | 08:03 |
| sarob | Nice | 08:03 |
| mrmartin | and commenting / content creation was finished on the portal | 08:03 |
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| sarob | Very nice | 08:04 |
| sarob | Outstanding from last meeting | 08:04 |
| sarob | mrmartin will put out a request to track down the user group organizers, those on this meeting will help lead the effort kavit is working on the starter packs sarob ask foundation about official user group process, how to, and plans | 08:04 |
| sarob | Messy post | 08:05 |
| sarob | Anyone else join? | 08:05 |
| sarob | I should have posted to the ML to remind | 08:06 |
| mrmartin | yeap, next time. | 08:06 |
| sarob | Prob just as well | 08:06 |
| sarob | Everyone had time off too | 08:07 |
| mrmartin | so regarding the user group organizer notification, the release will be out today or tomorrow, so I can start the notification process | 08:07 |
| sarob | Great | 08:07 |
| sarob | Anything I can do to help? | 08:07 |
| mrmartin | I can solve that. | 08:08 |
| sarob | Okey dokey | 08:08 |
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| sarob | Anything else? | 08:08 |
| mrmartin | I have only one open thing, we need some terms and conditions for the groups portal, so if somebody want to register a new group, he need to accept that | 08:08 |
| sarob | So we need to create the t&c's? | 08:09 |
| sarob | Or just implement | 08:10 |
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| sarob | #action sarob to post outstanding actions and meeting schedule to the ML | 08:11 |
| mrmartin | this is the actual registration form: http://oi62.tinypic.com/qn8dc5.jpg | 08:11 |
| sarob | Ah so none of the existing group leaders have agreed to the terms | 08:12 |
| mrmartin | basically they need to agree the event policy I guess | 08:13 |
| mrmartin | and I don't have any other term currently. | 08:13 |
| sarob | Okay | 08:13 |
| mrmartin | but it is accessible only with an OpenStack profile account | 08:13 |
| mrmartin | so they need to accept the basic terms of openstack.org | 08:14 |
| sarob | Seems simple | 08:14 |
| mrmartin | the good side effect of this, that we can raise the number of individual members | 08:15 |
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| sarob | Ah that's not actually good | 08:15 |
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| mrmartin | why? | 08:15 |
| sarob | We need quality members at this point not quantity | 08:15 |
| sarob | For bylaws changes 25% of active members need to vote | 08:16 |
| mrmartin | great :) | 08:16 |
| sarob | We have a lot of non voting members at this point | 08:17 |
| mrmartin | anyway the registration seems to be hidden in the openstack.org site. https://www.openstack.org | 08:17 |
| sarob | Signed on for the glory but not for contribution | 08:17 |
| mrmartin | if you click on the "sign in" button, it redirects to login form, where you simply cannot register. | 08:18 |
| sarob | Cause you need to fill out stuff? | 08:18 |
| mrmartin | oh, if you click on the login button on an empty form | 08:19 |
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| mrmartin | it redirects to another screen where you can join to the foundation. | 08:19 |
| mrmartin | https://www.openstack.org/join/ | 08:19 |
| sarob | Right | 08:19 |
| mrmartin | so if you want to use the openstack.org services, you need to be a member. | 08:20 |
| sarob | True | 08:20 |
| mrmartin | and other services want to use openstackid too for authentication, which based on o.o profile. | 08:20 |
| sarob | Yup | 08:21 |
| mrmartin | so I not feel that this bylaw change is bad from that aspect, maybe requires more activity on those channels to mobilise the members. | 08:23 |
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| sarob | If you miss two elections then your voting rights get removed | 08:24 |
| mrmartin | good to know that. | 08:24 |
| mrmartin | ok. | 08:24 |
| sarob | That's the way to keep it a bit in line | 08:24 |
| mrmartin | will you drop an email to ML, and promote the next ambassador meeting? | 08:25 |
| sarob | Certainly | 08:25 |
| mrmartin | could be good to see more involvement from ambassadors | 08:25 |
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| sarob | I'd like that :) | 08:25 |
| sarob | Anything else? | 08:25 |
| mrmartin | nothing, the tasks are clear. | 08:26 |
| sarob | Okay bro | 08:26 |
| sarob | Let's call this one | 08:26 |
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| mrmartin | ok. have a good night there. | 08:26 |
| sarob | Thanks | 08:26 |
| sarob | Have a good morning | 08:26 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 08:27 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 6 08:27:02 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ambassadors/2015/ambassadors.2015-01-06-08.02.html | 08:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ambassadors/2015/ambassadors.2015-01-06-08.02.txt | 08:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ambassadors/2015/ambassadors.2015-01-06-08.02.log.html | 08:27 |
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| baoli | #startmeeting PCI passthrough | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 6 13:00:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is baoli. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: PCI passthrough)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'pci_passthrough' | 13:00 |
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| baoli | Hi there | 13:00 |
| pczesno | hi | 13:01 |
| beagles | hi | 13:01 |
| shaohe_feng | hi baoli | 13:01 |
| baoli | Hope everyone had a wonderful holidays. | 13:01 |
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| sadasu | Hello! | 13:02 |
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| riwinters | Hello | 13:02 |
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| baoli | sadasu, riwinters, Hi | 13:03 |
| moshele | hi | 13:03 |
| baoli | #topic Bugs | 13:03 |
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| baoli | moshele: a quick question to your bug, wonder why 'bus' is left out. | 13:04 |
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| baoli | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1407721 | 13:05 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1407721 in nova "Add slot and func range to pci_passthrough_whitelist " [Undecided,In progress] | 13:05 |
| moshele | I can add the bus also | 13:05 |
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| baoli | moshele, I was thinking that we might as well support '-' in all the fields of the pci address. | 13:07 |
| moshele | ok, np | 13:07 |
| moshele | I will update the bug and code | 13:07 |
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| baoli | moshele: cool. thanks | 13:08 |
| baoli | moshele, please update the bug description accordingly. | 13:08 |
| moshele | will do | 13:08 |
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| baoli | yongli is not here. But anyone has any update on Bugs? | 13:10 |
| baoli | we need to make some progress on the pci init bugs. | 13:11 |
| baoli | ok, let's move on, then. | 13:12 |
| baoli | #topic Reviews | 13:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reviews (Meeting topic: PCI passthrough)" | 13:12 | |
| shaohe_feng | baoli: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1222990 | 13:13 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1222990 in nova "Cannot specify subset of PCI devices for PCI passthrough" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 13:13 |
| moshele | is that related to my bug? | 13:13 |
| shaohe_feng | baoli: I'm going to fix this bug | 13:13 |
| shaohe_feng | moshele: did you file thi bug? | 13:13 |
| shaohe_feng | moshele: can you elaborate the item 2? | 13:14 |
| moshele | no, I asking if my bug "Add slot and func range to pci_passthrough_whitelist " doesn't solved this also | 13:14 |
| moshele | ? | 13:14 |
| shaohe_feng | moshele: sorry, misuderstand. | 13:15 |
| moshele | nevermind | 13:17 |
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| baoli | shaohe_feng: a few things described in the bug have been addressed in Juno and various enhancements we are doing now. So I'd suggest to change the status of this bug, and open new ones if necessary with clear objectives. | 13:18 |
| shaohe_feng | baoli: do you know which have been addressed? | 13:20 |
| baoli | shaohe_feng: item 1. item 2: we have tags | 13:21 |
| baoli | and item 4 with tags | 13:21 |
| baoli | item 3: consult with Yongli, there exists a patch for some of it. | 13:22 |
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| shaohe_feng | baoli: so I need to do nothing on the bug? | 13:23 |
| shaohe_feng | baoli: all of item 1, 2, 4 have ben taken? | 13:24 |
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| baoli | shaohe_feng: they either have already been taken care of, or worked on, I believe. But you are welcome for any enhancement that makes sense. | 13:27 |
| baoli | shaohe_feng, item 3 may need to be completed. | 13:27 |
| shaohe_feng | baoli: thank you for your info | 13:28 |
| shaohe_feng | baoli: so I can take item 3, rihgt? | 13:29 |
| baoli | shaohe_feng, sure, consult with Yongli first on that one. | 13:29 |
| shaohe_feng | baoli: got it. I will. | 13:29 |
| baoli | there is a patch for 'nova pci-list' | 13:30 |
| shaohe_feng | baoli: any other bugs can I take? | 13:30 |
| shaohe_feng | baoli: is there a untake list for nova pci bugs? | 13:31 |
| baoli | shaohe_feng: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Passthrough#Agenda_on_Jan._6th.2C_2015 | 13:31 |
| baoli | So we tagged all the PCI bugs if we haven't missed any | 13:31 |
| shaohe_feng | baoli: thank you, I will look at them. | 13:33 |
| baoli | shaohe_feng: you are welcome | 13:33 |
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| baoli | ok, back to reviews | 13:33 |
| baoli | Thanks to Daniel Berrange, we now have a couple of +2s on a couple of the reviews. Hopefully they will get another +2 soon. | 13:34 |
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| pczesno | baoli i added two new reviews to the list | 13:36 |
| pczesno | baoli the add numa awareness to pci device scheduling | 13:36 |
| baoli | pczesno: ok, just saw them. | 13:37 |
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| pczesno | any feedback appreciated | 13:37 |
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| baoli | pczesno: sure. | 13:39 |
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| moshele | I have remark regarding the neutron split, currently SRIOV MD is in tree so there is no action item there | 13:44 |
| baoli | moshele: thanks for the update | 13:45 |
| sadasu | there was discussion in the ML2 meeting right before the break | 13:45 |
| baoli | #topic Blueprints | 13:45 |
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| baoli | So none of our BPs have been approved so far. | 13:46 |
| moshele | irenab manage to convince them to stay in tree for now | 13:46 |
| sadasu | moshele: I think ire nab was of the opinion that it should stay in the tree | 13:46 |
| sadasu | but there were other thoughts about that also being taken out of the tree | 13:46 |
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| moshele | yes, if it will grow and be hard to manage, but for kilo it is in tree for other releases time will tell | 13:48 |
| baoli | moshele: can you update https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Passthrough#Agenda_on_Jan._6th.2C_2015 on the ml2 split? | 13:48 |
| moshele | yes | 13:50 |
| moshele | also regarding the blueprints any update regrading this https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/api-specify-vnic-type? | 13:52 |
| pczesno | moshele: i've no update | 13:53 |
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| moshele | baoli: I updated the wiki | 13:55 |
| baoli | #topic CI Testing | 13:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI Testing (Meeting topic: PCI passthrough)" | 13:55 | |
| baoli | moshele: cool, thanks. | 13:55 |
| baoli | Any update on the CI side? | 13:55 |
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| shaohe_feng | baoli: yongli can not join this meeting today. | 13:57 |
| shaohe_feng | baoli: for some personal issue | 13:57 |
| baoli | shaohe_feng: np | 13:57 |
| shaohe_feng | baoli: So I think no update | 13:58 |
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| baoli | Anything else to bring up? | 13:59 |
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| baoli | Thanks everyone. see you next time. | 14:00 |
| moshele | bye | 14:00 |
| baoli | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 6 14:00:15 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2015/pci_passthrough.2015-01-06-13.00.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2015/pci_passthrough.2015-01-06-13.00.txt | 14:00 |
| pczesno | bye | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2015/pci_passthrough.2015-01-06-13.00.log.html | 14:00 |
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| sc68cal | hello all, happy new year | 15:00 |
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| sc68cal | #startmeeting neutron_ipv6 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 6 15:00:29 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ipv6' | 15:00 |
| xuhanp | hello | 15:00 |
| SridharG | hi everyone.. | 15:00 |
| johnbelamaric | hi | 15:00 |
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| aveiga | hello | 15:01 |
| sc68cal | K-2 milestone is approaching | 15:02 |
| sc68cal | mestery just put an e-mail on the ML that people should take a look at if you have a BP set for k-2, and it has been set to blocked | 15:02 |
| mestery | sc68cal: Ack :) | 15:02 |
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| sc68cal | xuhanp: I saw you have a BP for k-2 that is set as blocked, for dhcp opts, but I knwo you have code submitted, please ping mestery regarding | 15:03 |
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| xuhanp | sc68cal, will do | 15:03 |
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| mestery | xuhanp: Can you make sure the reviews are in the LP BP? I'll mark it as "In Progress" at that point. Thanks! | 15:03 |
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| sc68cal | xuhanp: I think you need to update the commit message to have the implements bp line so it'll associate | 15:04 |
| xuhanp | mestery, I will add the review links if they are not there. Thanks! | 15:04 |
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| mestery | awesome, thank you xuhanp and sc68cal! | 15:04 |
| xuhanp | I thought I already did. Will double check | 15:04 |
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| sc68cal | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/kilo-2 kilo 2 milestone bps | 15:05 |
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| sc68cal | That's all I had really for today - I imagine people are coming back from holidays and such | 15:06 |
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| xuhanp | sc68cal, I have one topic to discuss. | 15:07 |
| sc68cal | xuhanp: all yours :) | 15:07 |
| xuhanp | I opened a bug for if we should create DHCP port and spawn dnsmasq when ipv6_address_mode is None or SLAAC. | 15:08 |
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| xuhanp | Currently the port is created and dnsmasq is spawned. | 15:08 |
| xuhanp | Since the dhcp driver only checks if dhcp is enabled. | 15:09 |
| xuhanp | and dhcp is enabled for backward compatibility as long as ra or address mode is set. | 15:09 |
| xuhanp | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144943/ | 15:09 |
| HenryG | xuhanp: I think the concept is fine | 15:10 |
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| xuhanp | HenryG, you mean dhcp is enabled although dhcpv6 is "Not" enabled? | 15:11 |
| HenryG | xuhanp: I am still thinking about Armando's comment | 15:11 |
| sc68cal | interesting - I know we have a check in other parts of the code | 15:11 |
| sc68cal | it may be for populating entries in the hosts file | 15:11 |
| sc68cal | but yeah it may still spawn the dnsmasq process | 15:11 |
| xuhanp | sc68cal, right. But I was thinking it's not even needed to create the port and spawn the dnsmasq process. | 15:12 |
| xuhanp | or create the dhcp namespace. | 15:12 |
| sc68cal | xuhanp: agreed | 15:12 |
| HenryG | xuhanp: I mean the concept of your change is fine | 15:12 |
| xuhanp | HenryG, I see. | 15:13 |
| xuhanp | HenryG, I was thinking about Armando's comment as well. And I think maybe we can do more checking when subnet is created. | 15:13 |
| HenryG | xuhanp: great, looking forward to see what you come up with | 15:14 |
| xuhanp | if enable_dhcp is not really true (conflict with address mode), we could just give a Invalid input error. | 15:14 |
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| xuhanp | but I am not sure if this makes the two attributes even more complicated. | 15:15 |
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| sc68cal | I think we already have some logic to block that | 15:15 |
| sc68cal | where if enable_dhcp = false we don't let you set the ipv6 attrs | 15:15 |
| sc68cal | i'll have to double check | 15:15 |
| HenryG | xuhanp: Also be aware of this review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145102/1/neutron/agent/linux/dhcp.py | 15:16 |
| xuhanp | sc68cal, that's right. But now I think we should enforce enable_dhcp = false when address_mode is None or SLAAC. | 15:16 |
| xuhanp | since dhcpv6 is not enabled. | 15:16 |
| sc68cal | ah | 15:16 |
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| sc68cal | sadly i think that overcomplicates - I already kind of dislike the enable_dhcp flag ... | 15:17 |
| xuhanp | sc68cal, that's my worry too. | 15:17 |
| SridharG | +1 | 15:18 |
| sc68cal | I don't have a better answer then clapping my hands over my ears and going LALALLALALAL | 15:18 |
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| HenryG | yeah | 15:18 |
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| xuhanp | Then I will stick to my original fix and see if Armando can be convinced. | 15:19 |
| rprakash | Can we have seperation as enable_dhcp_ipv4 and dhcp_enable_ipv6 to avoid any conflicts? | 15:19 |
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| aveiga | rprakash: that's proposing an API change | 15:20 |
| sc68cal | rprakash: we could, but I kind of dislike having all these flags floating all over the place | 15:20 |
| sc68cal | it makes validating all the possible combos a nightmare | 15:20 |
| aveiga | it might also break backward compatibility | 15:20 |
| * sc68cal hopes Neutron V3 API will fix everything and give him a pony | 15:21 | |
| SridharG | Personally I feel that enable_dhcp should be de-coupled from IPv6 attributes. As IPv6 has its own set of valid/in-valid combinations. | 15:21 |
| HenryG | Another possibility might be to say that for v6, the dhcp setting is inferred from the two mode attributes and so we "suggest" that enable_dhcp is not specified for v6 subnets. | 15:22 |
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| sc68cal | SridharG: the trouble is that enable_dhcp flag was used basically to determine if Neutron was going to do anything about a network, it had a lot of overloaded meaning | 15:22 |
| HenryG | If it is specified then it should not conflict with the modes. | 15:22 |
| HenryG | But that leaves the issue of the default value if it is not specified. :( | 15:23 |
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| HenryG | Ugh. | 15:23 |
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| SridharG | sc68cal: Agree. But if there is any re-factoring in place, it would be good to consider de-coupling this. | 15:23 |
| sc68cal | HenryG: I think enable_dhcp is set to true by default... | 15:24 |
| xuhanp | sc68cal, that's correct. | 15:24 |
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| rprakash | So if IPAM is external will this flag carry same meaning as DHCP is then not in neutron? | 15:25 |
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| sc68cal | rprakash: I think we have to wait for an extrnal ipam implementation first | 15:25 |
| rprakash | ok | 15:25 |
| sc68cal | but yeah there's all kinds of fun corners to explore :) | 15:26 |
| HenryG | So I think the best we can do now is reject a dhcp setting that conflicts with the modes? | 15:27 |
| xuhanp | agree. I can try that in my review and see how the comments go. | 15:28 |
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| SridharG | when you get sometime, can you please have a look at the following patch and comment on it - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136733/ | 15:29 |
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| sc68cal | SridharG: sure, I'll take a look | 15:32 |
| SridharG | thanks sc68cal | 15:32 |
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| HenryG | The only question left there is, Do we allow a (None, None) subnet to be associated with a router? | 15:33 |
| sc68cal | Yes | 15:34 |
| rprakash | Correct but what's the interpretaion of both modes being None? | 15:34 |
| HenryG | The answer seems to be "The user might have their own reason for it, so yes." | 15:34 |
| sc68cal | There may be implementations that can do IPv6 without requiring the option ipv6 attrs | 15:34 |
| sc68cal | s/implementations/plugins | 15:34 |
| rprakash | I see | 15:35 |
| sc68cal | I don't know if there actually are, but in theory it is possible | 15:35 |
| HenryG | I think we can allow it. If it doesn't work then it's not really neutron's fault. | 15:35 |
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| rprakash | Sice no tests have been set to check this we should let it go | 15:37 |
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| HenryG | I will change my vote to +1 and allow a day or two for objections. | 15:38 |
| rprakash | May be setup a new bug asking invetigating if the mode none combo is allowed and let this patch be released | 15:39 |
| rprakash | makes sense | 15:40 |
| SridharG | cool. HenryG I'll update the patch with the review comments you had (some minor nits). | 15:41 |
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| HenryG | thanks SridharG | 15:41 |
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| sc68cal | If we don't have anything else to discuss I'll give everyone back 15 minutes | 15:45 |
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| dane_leblanc | I have a question about licensing for a 3rd party utility, don't know if anyone is an expert on that here | 15:46 |
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| sc68cal | I think typically bsd/apache license is required | 15:46 |
| dane_leblanc | Specifically we might want to use dibbler for prefix delegation, but it has a GNU GPL license | 15:47 |
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| rprakash | +1 | 15:47 |
| sc68cal | dane_leblanc: dnsmasq is gpl | 15:47 |
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| dane_leblanc | So sounds like GNU GPL license is acceptable | 15:48 |
| sc68cal | I think they just don't want GPL libraries, but python code that orchestrates a 3rd party utility like dibbler is ok | 15:48 |
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| rprakash | note for reference check Opensosurce Initiative OSI site opensource.org | 15:48 |
| rprakash | link http://opensource.org | 15:48 |
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| rprakash | the royalty free usage comes with apache and bsd so derivatives can be used freely with no no copyright issues ulike GNUP GPL copyleft criterions | 15:50 |
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| rprakash | otherwise GNU LGPL earlier called Library based now Larger is preferred by commercial users | 15:52 |
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| rprakash | possibly we can close with this ... | 15:54 |
| sc68cal | OK everyone - I'll be in #openstack-neutron if anyone needs anything - otherwise see everyone next week | 15:54 |
| dane_leblanc | Sounds like we're okay as long as we don't have to modify the original | 15:54 |
| sc68cal | dane_leblanc: yeah I think so | 15:54 |
| dane_leblanc | Thanks rprakash | 15:54 |
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| sc68cal | #endmeeting | 15:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 6 15:55:58 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2015/neutron_ipv6.2015-01-06-15.00.html | 15:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2015/neutron_ipv6.2015-01-06-15.00.txt | 15:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2015/neutron_ipv6.2015-01-06-15.00.log.html | 15:56 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting containers | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 6 16:00:58 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2015-01-06_1600_UTC Our Agenda | 16:01 |
| thomasem | o/ | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:01 |
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| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:01 |
| thomasem | Thomas Maddox | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | hi thomasem! | 16:01 |
| apmelton | Andrew Melton | 16:01 |
| sdake | containers containers bobainers \p\ | 16:01 |
| diga_ | Digambar Patil | 16:01 |
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| jay-laua-513 | jay-lau-513 | 16:01 |
| thomasem | Hey adrian_otto!! | 16:01 |
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| hongbin | Hongbin Lu | 16:01 |
| sdake | what is with the 513 jay lau | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | good day everyone | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | my guess is he is a racer, and 513 is his race number | 16:02 |
| sdake | why not "jay-lau" :) | 16:02 |
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| sdake | now that would make sense | 16:02 |
| adrian_otto | the fasters Lau in the west | 16:02 |
| jay-lau-513 | sdake my lucky number ;-) | 16:03 |
| adrian_otto | except he lives in the East | 16:03 |
| sdake | or east as it may be | 16:03 |
| adrian_otto | he had 512 and then he incremented it. | 16:03 |
| adrian_otto | anyway, glad to have you all here. let's proceed to Announcements | 16:03 |
| sdake | 513 is a prime nubmer I think | 16:03 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | 1) Welcome Jay Lau to magnum-core! | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | he is our most recent addition | 16:04 |
| jay-lau-513 | thanks, my honor to join this team | 16:04 |
| sdake | team growing fast | 16:04 |
| sdake | lots of interst in containers | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | we are honored to have you as well | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | we also added another core reviewer: | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | 2) Welcome Motohiro/Yuanying Otsuka to magnum-core! | 16:05 |
| thomasem | Welcome! | 16:05 |
| sdake | he may be sleeping | 16:05 |
| sdake | I think its middle of night for him now | 16:06 |
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| adrian_otto | both of these new reviewers have been very active. Traditionally designating cores takes a few months, but in these early stages, I'm willing to propose additions sooner. | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | anyone else interested in serving as a core reviewer may see me for guidance | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | Any other announcements from team members? | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | ok, in December we set a January target date for our first tagged release. Who remembers the date? | 16:07 |
| diga_ | 13th jan | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | ding! | 16:08 |
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| adrian_otto | So there is one work week remaining before that date | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | during a later section I'll re-raise this fur further discussion. | 16:08 |
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| adrian_otto | but one quick topic first | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Blueprint/Task Review | 16:09 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/144203 Enable tests for db objects | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | do we have https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:abhishek%2540cloudscaling.com+status:open,n,z present today? | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | I think he's absent, so maybe I'll follow up on this later | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | So, on the topic of blueprints, tasks, and bugs | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | first of all, I want to compliment the team on remarkable progress | 16:10 |
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| sdake | yay - we almost got launching pods/services in a micro os in a bay :) | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | I feel like the commit throughput is way up, and there are lots of solid commits hitting the repo | 16:10 |
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| adrian_otto | so take a moment to look around you and recognize terrific progress from those around you, and know that we appreciate your efforts. | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | next, let's identify any must-have tasks that should be completed by Jan 13 | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | and I will help to make sure any of them that need a bird dog have one | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | thoughts on must-have work that remains pending or in-progress? | 16:12 |
| sdake | we need to be able to specify minion servers to kubectl commands | 16:13 |
| sdake | I think there is a review up for that | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | thanks sdake. Let's take a moment to look for that. | 16:13 |
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| sdake | we need to be able to pass the pod/service data to kubectl commands | 16:13 |
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| sdake | I think there is a review up for that too | 16:13 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum Our Blueprint List | 16:13 |
| sdake | I've just been operating under the principle we won't actually get container scheduling sorted out for milestone #1 | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | sdake: yes, that's acceptable and appropriate | 16:14 |
| sdake | but I think if we have kube working that should be good enough | 16:14 |
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| sdake | Ideally we need one of two things 1) a heat template that works for ironic based upon larsks repo or 2) updated documentation that shows how to deploy in virtual environments as opposed to ironic | 16:14 |
| sdake | I think #1 is likely not to occur in the next week | 16:15 |
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| sdake | so I think we should set another limit then, which is we only intend milestone #1 to launch on virtual machines, not integrated with Ironic | 16:15 |
| jay-lau-513 | for #1, is it possible that we merge lasrk's code to etc/magnum? | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | diga_: you are working on a containerized environment for Magnum that would suit #2 above, correct? | 16:15 |
| diga_ | yes | 16:16 |
| sdake | larsks code is for virt only, not for ironic | 16:16 |
| sdake | we need two templates, one for each environment type | 16:16 |
| jay-lau-513 | sdake or just write some readme telling end user where to get the template? | 16:16 |
| sdake | the network is different | 16:16 |
| sdake | jay-lau-513 I'd prefer to merge it into our repo and the license is compatible | 16:16 |
| sdake | then we can just keep it up to date from larsks repo | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | can we identify two Stackers on the magnum team to co-own that responsibility? | 16:17 |
| sdake | although atm it works great, I doubt there will be many changes, except possibly to handle ironic | 16:17 |
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| jay-lau-513 | ok, I see, | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | as that will require watching the code in the original project | 16:17 |
| sdake | I'll take on the docs part, and I'll take on merging new changes from larsks repo | 16:18 |
| sdake | but need someone else to do the original copy :) | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | ok, any volunteers to aid sdake? | 16:18 |
| diga_ | I can help him | 16:18 |
| jay-lau-513 | I can help sdake | 16:18 |
| jay-lau-513 | two volunteers ;-) | 16:19 |
| sdake | jay a copy with the correct install bits should do the trick | 16:19 |
| jay-lau-513 | yes | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | ok, perfect, we should be in good shape | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | I know sdake is planning some time away, so feel free to select diga_ or jay-lau-513 as a delegate for this accordingly. | 16:19 |
| rprakash | ironic you mean not through nova but direct? | 16:20 |
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| sdake | I mean through nova, but the ironic network model is different | 16:20 |
| sdake | the heat tempalte larsks produced is based upon neutron | 16:20 |
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| sdake | ironic supports flat networking as 1 model and ovs enabled switches as another model | 16:20 |
| sdake | in the case of #1, where most of our users are going to be, we need a atemplate that does flat networking | 16:21 |
| rprakash | I see - thanks for that claroification | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://github.com/larsks/heat-kubernetes heat-kubernetes | 16:21 |
| sdake | I'm glad someone understands it, I sure dont :( | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | ^^ for jay-lau-513 and diga_ to reference | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | ok, any other must-haves for Jan 13? | 16:22 |
| sdake | so ya, launching pods, launching services, inside a bay, that is a good set of features for milestone #1 | 16:22 |
| diga_ | ok | 16:22 |
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| sdake | ideally we need a virtual interface to represent the cluster | 16:22 |
| sdake | I'm not sure if we have time for that or not | 16:23 |
| jay-lau-513 | I think that we can also launch replication controllers ;) | 16:23 |
| sdake | the way that works is we put a LB in front of every minion | 16:23 |
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| sdake | that probably requires a new heat template | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | jay-lau-513: indeed we can. | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | sdake, why have an lb in front of a minion? | 16:24 |
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| diga_ | I have two responsibilities 1) setup magnum repo in container 2) heat-kubernetes | 16:24 |
| sdake | that way you dont have to figure out which minion to talk to | 16:24 |
| jay-lau-513 | sdake why one cluster need a lb | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | diga_: yes | 16:24 |
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| diga_ | yep | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | sdake, why do we care which minion is used? | 16:25 |
| sdake | I think it would be handy to have 1 IP address represent the entire user-experience for the kubernetes cluster | 16:25 |
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| sdake | eg: minions 1.1.1.1 minion 2.2.2.2 | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | this sounds to me like scheduling logic | 16:25 |
| sdake | your app connects to 2.2.2.2 | 16:25 |
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| sdake | 2.2.2.2 dies | 16:25 |
| sdake | now your app is busted | 16:26 |
| sdake | because it doesn't know about 1.1.1.1 | 16:26 |
| sdake | that is what the lb fixes | 16:26 |
| sdake | 1 IP address for all the minions | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so you are not talking about a crontrol plane, you are talking about the data plane for availability of apps | 16:26 |
| sdake | ya, although to set it up is control plane :) | 16:26 |
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| adrian_otto | I see now, thanks. | 16:27 |
| sdake | probably can wait until milestone #2 | 16:27 |
| * dims__ says o/ a bit late :) | 16:27 | |
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| rprakash | bays controls pods , so you mean lb->minion->bays to data plane is the flow? | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | hi dims__ | 16:27 |
| sdake | rprakash a pod service and replication controller is luanched in a bay | 16:28 |
| rprakash | dp pods | 16:28 |
| sdake | a bay is a collection of nodes running a micro os such as coreos or atomic | 16:28 |
| sdake | one of the bay's nodes is a master (running etcd) the others are minions (running kubeproxy etc) | 16:28 |
| sdake | to control the cluster, you use magnum which contacts the bay's master node | 16:28 |
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| rprakash | got it it's orchestration from cp to dp pods - hanks | 16:29 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/milestone-1 BPs for milestone-1 | 16:30 |
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| adrian_otto | let's take a look at the Delivery column on the above link | 16:31 |
| sdake | lots of green :) | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | Indeed! | 16:31 |
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| adrian_otto | for the ones that are blue, can any be updated? | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | should any be re-scoped? | 16:31 |
| sdake | I updated https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/implement-magnum-bays | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | ideally, I'd like the whiteboards in the open BP's to indicate what work is remaining so I can plan accordingly | 16:32 |
| sdake | magnum-backend-docker-* can probably go to milestone #2 I suspect | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | thanks sdake | 16:33 |
| sdake | unless they are working now | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | diga_: is there remaining implementation on that BP for milestone-1? | 16:33 |
| sdake | I marked https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/backend-bay-heat-kube as implemented | 16:34 |
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| diga_ | both the blueprint work is completed I guess | 16:34 |
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| sdake | can you control docker containers via magnum client? | 16:34 |
| dims__ | adrian_otto: all the magnum-container-* are implemented, but work only against the docker daemon specified in the magnum.conf | 16:34 |
| dims__ | sdake: yep | 16:34 |
| sdake | sweet | 16:34 |
| sdake | well I guess that doesn't need to be rescoped then | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so do we need a task filed to expand that to work on more daemons? | 16:35 |
| dims__ | right adrian_otto | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I'll file a BP for milestone-2 | 16:35 |
| diga_ | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-agent-for-nova | 16:35 |
| sdake | adrian_otto can we add to the agenda the creation of hte release announcement in etherpad, please - in case I forget | 16:36 |
| diga_ | this is scoped for ml2 | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | yes, let's make an etherpad for drafts now… one moment and I will do that and link it here | 16:36 |
| diga_ | are we finally going with zaqar or not ? | 16:36 |
| sdake | I dont think we need zaqar | 16:36 |
| sdake | we already have the list of minion ips | 16:36 |
| diga_ | ok | 16:36 |
| sdake | we can round robin select for scheduling if necessary | 16:37 |
| sdake | I think we need to think through the scheduling of the containers though | 16:37 |
| sdake | its no easy task | 16:37 |
| diga_ | ok | 16:37 |
| sdake | especially when you throw multi-node networking into the mix | 16:37 |
| diga_ | ok | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-release Where we will draft our release announcement. | 16:37 |
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| sdake | feel free to help write it folks :) | 16:39 |
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| sdake | lets spend 5-10 mins - team effort :) | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Draft Magnum Release Announcement | 16:40 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-docker-backend-selection Selection of multiple docker backends | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | ^^ dims__ | 16:42 |
| dims__ | adrian_otto: thanks | 16:43 |
| apmelton | adrian_otto: I should be able to help out with that piece | 16:43 |
| dims__ | apmelton: awesome | 16:44 |
| apmelton | along with the magnum bay stuff as well | 16:45 |
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| apmelton | I'm still getting up to speed with everything that's been going on since I last attended | 16:45 |
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| thomasem | Same here | 16:48 |
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| thomasem | Going to have to look at Zaquar. | 16:51 |
| dims__ | sdake: any pointer to uOS we can add? | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 16:53 |
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| apmelton | adrian_otto: will there be a magnum mid-cycle? | 16:54 |
| apmelton | mid-cycle sprint/meetup* | 16:54 |
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| sdake | ok looking good to me | 16:56 |
| sdake | uOS is Fedora Atomic or CoreOS | 16:56 |
| sdake | I just call it uOS | 16:56 |
| sdake | not sure if it has an official name - lets make one :) | 16:56 |
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| jay-lau-513 | sdake what does u mean for uOS? | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | ok, time is almost up | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | editing the release announcement will continue after we adjourn, and will be discussed in #openstack-containers | 16:59 |
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| sdake | well if you dont like the u, delete it ;) | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | our next team meeting will be 2015-01-13 at 2200 UTC | 16:59 |
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| sdake | thanks folks :) | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | thanks everyone for attending! | 16:59 |
| thomasem | cheers! | 16:59 |
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| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| jay-lau-513 | cheers! | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 6 17:00:04 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-01-06-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-01-06-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-01-06-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 6 21:00:20 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 21:00 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2015-01-06_2100_UTC Our Agenda | 21:00 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 21:00 |
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| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 21:00 |
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| datsun180b | Ed Cranford | 21:00 |
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| keyvan_ | Keyvan Sadeghi | 21:01 |
| gpilz | Gilbert Pilz | 21:01 |
| _ramin | Ramin Barati | 21:01 |
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| muralia | murali allada | 21:02 |
| ravips | Ravi sankar penta | 21:02 |
| james_li | james li | 21:02 |
| adrian_otto | alright, good attendance today | 21:03 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 21:03 | |
| adrian_otto | 1) Welcome Ed Cranford (ed--cranford) to solum-core | 21:03 |
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| devkulkarni | congratulations ed | 21:03 |
| datsun180b | that's me | 21:03 |
| james_li | congrats | 21:03 |
| datsun180b | thanks again | 21:03 |
| gpilz | congratulations | 21:03 |
| adrian_otto | Ed has consistently contributed in all forms to the Solum project, and is a valued member of our team. | 21:03 |
| adrian_otto | I'd like to take this opportunity to thank you Ed for your contributions, and most of all for your sense of humor which I adore. | 21:04 |
| datsun180b | keeps me sane | 21:04 |
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| adrian_otto | we look forward to your service as a core reviewer, thanks!! | 21:05 |
| muralia | congrats ed | 21:05 |
| datsun180b | don't worry, i'm already power-mad | 21:05 |
| adrian_otto | there's the humor I love. | 21:05 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so more announcmeents | 21:05 |
| adrian_otto | 2) Review queue sweep | 21:06 |
| phiche | yes congrats | 21:06 |
| adrian_otto | for anyone that had an old review, you may have noticed that I set a bunch of them to Abandoned | 21:06 |
| adrian_otto | this is *not* the same as a -2 vote, so if you have a review like that, you are encouraged to resubmit it | 21:06 |
| datsun180b | after rebasing! | 21:07 |
| adrian_otto | yes, exacrtly. | 21:07 |
| adrian_otto | almost all of those needed rebases. | 21:07 |
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| adrian_otto | you will also notice that I have commented and or voted on every review | 21:07 |
| adrian_otto | and I'd like to drain the list of pending patches to a nice short list | 21:08 |
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| adrian_otto | so I will be racheting up on that, and starting to poke for updates, etc. | 21:08 |
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| adrian_otto | so thanks for your attention on that subject. | 21:08 |
| adrian_otto | I don't think we had any action items last week (I hope I did not forget anything assigned to me) | 21:09 |
| adrian_otto | looking just to be sure. | 21:09 |
| adrian_otto | oh, I have one to carry forward | 21:09 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 21:09 |
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| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to follow up with mistral devs to arrange a tagged release that we can use as a stable dependency. | 21:10 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Blueprint/Task Review | 21:10 |
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| adrian_otto | do any team members have work items to discuss as a team? | 21:10 |
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| datsun180b | I want to help you shake up the buglist | 21:11 |
| keyvan_ | not sure, is this the right place? | 21:11 |
| adrian_otto | datsun180b: yes, that's my next order of business | 21:11 |
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| keyvan_ | sure, i meant voicing my own team, go on Ed | 21:12 |
| adrian_otto | keyvan_: if you have anything relating to a Bug, Blueptint, or open Review, this is the place to raise it for team discussion | 21:12 |
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| adrian_otto | and if it's beyond the scope of this section, we can take it to the mailing list, or splinter off with a follow-up meeting | 21:12 |
| datsun180b | oh that's as much as i wanted to mention on that; i'll start trying to reproduce them as i find free time | 21:12 |
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| keyvan_ | so relating to the bug #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1308690 Improvement: Add a Dockerfile for deploying Solum | 21:13 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1308690 in solum "Improvement: Add a Dockerfile for deploying Solum" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 21:13 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1308690 Improvement: Add a Dockerfile for deploying Solum | 21:13 |
| adrian_otto | keyvan_: please proceed. | 21:14 |
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| keyvan_ | we've been trying to figure out how Kolla works | 21:14 |
| keyvan_ | #link https://github.com/stackforge/kolla/ Kolla | 21:14 |
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| keyvan_ | and I added a comment to the review #link https://review.openstack.org/87782 Make solum buildable into docker container | 21:15 |
| keyvan_ | but haven't heard back | 21:16 |
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| devkulkarni | keyvan_: so you are proposing to add a Docker file which will start all solum services (api, worker, deployer, conductor)? | 21:17 |
| keyvan_ | what Kolla does is to run a dockerfile, which simply installs an openstack service | 21:17 |
| datsun180b | neat | 21:17 |
| keyvan_ | the there is a .sh script that configures the container | 21:18 |
| devkulkarni | for the whole solum system to be operational though, we will have to run other services as well (keystone, mysql, rabbit, etc.).. all these will be run through their own Dockerfiles | 21:18 |
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| devkulkarni | would we contribute Solum's Dockerfile to Kolla then? | 21:19 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: yes. | 21:19 |
| devkulkarni | and use Kolla to spin up entire system? | 21:19 |
| keyvan_ | Kolla handles all that, including checking the fingerprints to see whether a service already exists | 21:19 |
| devkulkarni | ok | 21:19 |
| adrian_otto | I suppose we should be able to use heat to drive Kolla, right? | 21:19 |
| devkulkarni | possible.. but then that heat instance would need to be spun up first (outside of Kolla) | 21:20 |
| adrian_otto | so we should have Solum Support in Kolla, and a quickstart guide that explains how to launch a solum environment using Kolla | 21:20 |
| keyvan_ | have a look at #link https://github.com/stackforge/kolla/blob/master/docker/horizon/start.sh kolla/docker/horizon/start.sh as an example | 21:20 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: yes, good point. | 21:20 |
| keyvan_ | ah sure we should have support for Kolla from the trend I'm seeing | 21:20 |
| devkulkarni | keyvan_: does kolla take care of configuring each service's rabbit and mysql endpoints correctly | 21:21 |
| devkulkarni | ? | 21:21 |
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| _ramin | devkulkarni: tup | 21:21 |
| _ramin | *yup | 21:21 |
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| akshayc | hi | 21:21 |
| devkulkarni | _ramin: ok | 21:21 |
| devkulkarni | in that case I think what you are proposing seems fine to me | 21:21 |
| akshayc | sorry, i had a call | 21:21 |
| keyvan_ | haven't gone through all that just yet, but it surely creates the db admin and stuff | 21:22 |
| devkulkarni | hi akshayc .. we are in blueprint review topic | 21:23 |
| keyvan_ | and Kolla seems to becoming an standard, see #link http://allthingsopen.com/2014/10/22/a-demonstration-of-kolla-docker-and-kubernetes-based-deployment-of-openstack-services-on-atomic/ A DEMONSTRATION OF KOLLA: DOCKER AND KUBERNETES BASED DEPLOYMENT OF OPENSTACK SERVICES ON ATOMIC | 21:23 |
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| devkulkarni | thanks for sharing the link keyvan_ | 21:23 |
| adrian_otto | the spirit of that bug ticket is to be able to run something like: git clone git://git.openstack.org/stackforge/solum ; cd solum ; docker build -t solum:latest . ; docker run -p N:N -d solum:latest | 21:23 |
| adrian_otto | and that would have a working instance of Solum + devstack in a single container. | 21:24 |
| devkulkarni | +1 | 21:24 |
| adrian_otto | the Kolla stuff could be *inside* there. | 21:24 |
| keyvan_ | that's not the spirit of Kolla though | 21:25 |
| keyvan_ | the dockerfile shall be ran from Kolla, Solum in our case | 21:25 |
| adrian_otto | adding Solum support to kolla is so that solum can be part of a cloud bootstrapped with kolla | 21:25 |
| keyvan_ | then the .sh script configures the service | 21:25 |
| adrian_otto | as an alternative to devstack | 21:26 |
| keyvan_ | sure, i see | 21:26 |
| devkulkarni | so in Kolla world, each service will be run in its own container. is that correct? | 21:26 |
| keyvan_ | so what is right for us to do? | 21:26 |
| adrian_otto | which may allow the equivalent of a "devstack" bootup in less time | 21:26 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: yes, that's the idea | 21:26 |
| keyvan_ | devkulkarni: yes | 21:26 |
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| gpilz | I count 36 screen windows in our DevStack | 21:27 |
| adrian_otto | but keep in mind that containers can actually be nested | 21:27 |
| gpilz | does that mean 36 Docker containers? | 21:27 |
| adrian_otto | you can run docker within a docker container. | 21:27 |
| adrian_otto | gpilz: only if you wanted all the services. We only require a few. | 21:28 |
| keyvan_ | that's up to how it's deployed, i guess | 21:28 |
| devkulkarni | in our previous discussion around this, we were kind of aligning towards running all services in a single container — this was from ease of use point of view .. but I don't know if that would be possible.. if we go the Kolla route then there will be 36 containers (few or more depending on what all services we really need) | 21:28 |
| adrian_otto | I see no reason why the various kolla containers could not be nested inside the solum container | 21:29 |
| keyvan_ | I wonder what the right course of action would be, to try to register Solum as a standard openstack service comes to my mind | 21:29 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: haven't looked at nested containers.. how do they work? | 21:29 |
| keyvan_ | imagine the scenario that openstack is installed by Kolla on a system | 21:30 |
| adrian_otto | the top level container is started as a privileged container | 21:30 |
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| adrian_otto | then you can run the docker daemon inside that, and create additional sub-containers within | 21:30 |
| akshayc | yep…. privileged container | 21:30 |
| devkulkarni | I see. that route though seems independent of kolla | 21:31 |
| akshayc | #link http://blog.docker.com/2013/09/docker-can-now-run-within-docker/ | 21:31 |
| adrian_otto | so let's say I create a container "solum", that runs a docker daemon, then within that I run a number of other containers that have the various services we cherry pick from Kolla | 21:31 |
| adrian_otto | that's one way to do it. | 21:31 |
| devkulkarni | akshayc: thanks for sharing the link | 21:31 |
| adrian_otto | another way is just to set aside kolla for now, and just run devstack in the solum container | 21:31 |
| keyvan_ | adrian_otto : what's your opinion in the scenario I described above? | 21:32 |
| adrian_otto | I should have mentioned in the Announcement section of our meeting that OpenStack Programs are being eliminated. See: | 21:32 |
| adrian_otto | #link http://governance.openstack.org/resolutions/20141202-project-structure-reform-spec.html | 21:32 |
| keyvan_ | sure adrian, in that case we then run setup.py from solum, right? | 21:33 |
| keyvan_ | like what's been done in the previous patch? | 21:33 |
| adrian_otto | my gut is telling me to keep it simple, and just run devstack in the container to start with | 21:33 |
| adrian_otto | then we can iterate on that, making it more sophisticated (possibly using nested containers) if it makes a big difference in the time to start up | 21:34 |
| devkulkarni | same here.. we can first start with simple case.. adding kolla to the mix can be done afterwards | 21:34 |
| ravips | +1 | 21:34 |
| datsun180b | well that's something | 21:34 |
| keyvan_ | sure, so previous patch did exactly that, didn't it? | 21:34 |
| devkulkarni | keyvan_: you mean the patch that was submitted originally by PaulCzar? | 21:35 |
| devkulkarni | will have to look.. | 21:36 |
| keyvan_ | yes adrian_otto #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/87782/1/Dockerfile,unified Dokerfile by Paul Czar | 21:36 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/87782 Make solum buildable into docker container | 21:36 |
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| adrian_otto | so to understand this patch, you need to understand what the docker trusted build system is, and how it works | 21:37 |
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| devkulkarni | keyvan_: almost.. that patch seems to be starting up solum-api | 21:37 |
| adrian_otto | basically it checks out new code with git, and runs a docker build against the Dockerfile in the code repo | 21:37 |
| adrian_otto | and produces a container image that goes in the Docker public repository | 21:37 |
| devkulkarni | we need to ensure that solum-worker, solum-conductor, solum-deployer are running as well | 21:38 |
| adrian_otto | assuming we use the namespace solum, to run solum, you could just do "docker run -d solum:latest" | 21:38 |
| adrian_otto | done, and done. | 21:38 |
| keyvan_ | i see now, so instead we want to git clone devstack? | 21:38 |
| keyvan_ | and then install solum on the container? | 21:39 |
| adrian_otto | that would need to be defined in Solum's Dockerfile | 21:39 |
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| devkulkarni | sure.. something like: git clone devstack; git clone solum; copy devstack/lib/ from solum into devstack/lib; same for extras; and then CMD ./stack.sh | 21:39 |
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| keyvan_ | sure, that's what i meant, run ./stack in the container is the ultimate goal? | 21:40 |
| keyvan_ | and then invoking solum setuap? | 21:40 |
| devkulkarni | yes.. that way we will have all the required services (36 as per gpilz) running once the container is run | 21:41 |
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| keyvan_ | cool, that'd make it wayyy easier :) | 21:41 |
| devkulkarni | :) | 21:41 |
| keyvan_ | good for a start, +1 | 21:41 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, any more work items requiring team discussion? | 21:42 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 21:42 |
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| akshayc | why does build fail? | 21:43 |
| devkulkarni | how does the changes to programs (or going away from them) is going to play out? any ideas? | 21:43 |
| devkulkarni | akshayc: which build? you mean building an assembly? | 21:43 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: I expect that means that projects like Solum enter the OpenStack namespace. | 21:43 |
| akshayc | and work when I rebuild without any code changes? I meant jenkins build | 21:43 |
| adrian_otto | and begin to take more of a first class status. | 21:43 |
| akshayc | after submitting patch | 21:44 |
| devkulkarni | interesting. | 21:44 |
| adrian_otto | akshayc: there are a variety of reasons it happens | 21:44 |
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| adrian_otto | sometimes the jobs time out, sometimes we hit an error running functional tests (usually failures deleting resources) | 21:45 |
| datsun180b | recently it was some bad md5 hashes from package mirrors, and a breaking change to tempest's requestclient | 21:45 |
| datsun180b | that was just yesterday! | 21:45 |
| adrian_otto | there are also a few versions of Python's "setuptools" that simply don't work | 21:45 |
| datsun180b | also today james noticed our jenkins workspaces are in /opt/stack/new/solum and so the build scripts are all missing until we fix proj_dir for gerrit | 21:45 |
| adrian_otto | I have been trying to merge a patch to exclude a few of the broken ones, but I'm in a catch-22. | 21:46 |
| akshayc | hehe…. ok | 21:46 |
| datsun180b | we've also got a race condition between update and delete | 21:46 |
| adrian_otto | datsun180b: do we have an open bug on that? | 21:46 |
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| adrian_otto | ^^ james_li | 21:47 |
| james_li | datsun180b: adrian_otto: not yet I will file one shortly | 21:47 |
| adrian_otto | thanks james_li | 21:47 |
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| datsun180b | i should probably put some of my review comments into proper bugs now that you mention filing | 21:48 |
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| akshayc | mistral client? was it discussed…. | 21:49 |
| adrian_otto | my general attitude about reviews is that if the commit makes the code better than it is now, even if it's not perfect, then I'm motivated to merge it. When we identify things that are nice-to-have we can open those as "wishlist" bugs with the tech-debt tag on them, and merge the code. | 21:50 |
| akshayc | about having a specific commit to pin to | 21:50 |
| adrian_otto | ideally assigned to the contributor who committed the patch. | 21:50 |
| akshayc | sorry if that was discussed before I joined | 21:50 |
| adrian_otto | akshayc: yes, I took an action item to touch base with the mistral team about that. | 21:50 |
| adrian_otto | all we need is a tagged release that works with solum | 21:51 |
| akshayc | ok…. | 21:51 |
| adrian_otto | so that we can use that as the dependency. | 21:51 |
| adrian_otto | rather than depending on master, which changes all the time, and can break us. | 21:51 |
| akshayc | yep…. good to have that…. | 21:51 |
| adrian_otto | there are more sophisticated approaches as well, such as adding a full Solum func test to the mistral gate jobs | 21:52 |
| adrian_otto | but that has complexities and drawbacks that I'd rather not deal with right now | 21:52 |
| akshayc | ok | 21:52 |
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| devkulkarni | agree.. akshayc: just curious, are you depending on mistral support from within solum? | 21:53 |
| adrian_otto | if customizable Pipelines were central to Solum as the most important feature, I'd have a different attitude about that | 21:53 |
| akshayc | i removed mistral and it still worked for my dev environment | 21:53 |
| akshayc | examples worked I mean | 21:53 |
| devkulkarni | just trying to understand why the mistral version came up in our discussions? | 21:54 |
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| devkulkarni | they should.. currently we are not using pipeline/pipeline handler | 21:54 |
| devkulkarni | which is the main entry point for integrating with mistral | 21:54 |
| akshayc | you can take a look at #link https://github.com/akshaychhajed/vagrant-solum-dev/tree/solum_stable_juno | 21:55 |
| adrian_otto | yes, that's the only thing we use mistral for | 21:55 |
| akshayc | i have been using this | 21:55 |
| devkulkarni | ok | 21:56 |
| akshayc | i will update it with mistral when we have the pin | 21:56 |
| akshayc | let me know if i should make an changes to it | 21:56 |
| adrian_otto | akshayc: ok, will do. | 21:56 |
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| devkulkarni | sure. although, what I meant was, is it necessary for us to pin to anything at all? are our tests breaking? if not, it might be okay to just work off of mistral's master | 21:57 |
| akshayc | any* | 21:57 |
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| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: if you try to set up a solum-dev environment, half the time it fails because of mistral bugs | 21:57 |
| akshayc | the build was breaking for me | 21:57 |
| devkulkarni | got it | 21:57 |
| akshayc | and another failure was swift timeout | 21:57 |
| devkulkarni | yeah, then lets pin it to a stable release | 21:58 |
| adrian_otto | yep | 21:58 |
| devkulkarni | fwiw, in my devstack setup I never turn on mistral | 21:58 |
| adrian_otto | ok, time to start wrapping up | 21:58 |
| devkulkarni | or any of the services that we don't need | 21:58 |
| adrian_otto | Our next meeting will be 2015-01-13 at 2100 UTC | 21:58 |
| akshayc | swift:client_timeout moved from 60 to 600 | 21:58 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: I will be on ETO, so can you plan to chair? | 21:58 |
| akshayc | ok | 21:58 |
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| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: sure | 21:59 |
| adrian_otto | thanks | 21:59 |
| adrian_otto | #agreed devkulkarni will chair on 2015-01-13 at 2100 UTC | 21:59 |
| adrian_otto | thanks for attending everyone | 21:59 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 21:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-01-06-21.00.html | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-01-06-21.00.txt | 21:59 |
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