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| tchaypo | Do we have enough people for a tripleo meeting this week? | 08:01 |
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| StevenK | There is three of us at least | 08:01 |
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| marios | o/ | 08:02 |
| StevenK | Four! | 08:02 |
| tchaypo | and three of us are cores! | 08:02 |
| marios | i'm ok for deferring if there isn't much urgent. do we wana get any admin done? reviews/release/bugs | 08:03 |
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| tchaypo | There’s nothing I’m aware of offhand that’s urgent, but it’s probably worth a quick check of the unhappy bugs list | 08:04 |
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| marios | and then there were 5 | 08:04 |
| shardy | morning all | 08:04 |
| lsmola2 | hello | 08:04 |
| tchaypo | 6! | 08:05 |
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| * StevenK channels Count | 08:05 | |
| tchaypo | #startmeeting tripleo | 08:05 |
| StevenK | Muahahaha! *thunder* *lightning* | 08:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 7 08:05:26 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tchaypo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:05 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 08:05 |
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| tchaypo | Let’s put it on the record but keep it informal | 08:05 |
| tchaypo | I’m having a quick look at the bugs the nagbot has been talking about | 08:05 |
| StevenK | Casual nick Friday? But it's not Friday | 08:06 |
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| tchaypo | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar/+bug/1387487 looks like it needs status/importance and maybe an assignee. It seems fairly critical to me | 08:06 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1387487 in tuskar "tripleo-image-elements/elements/tuskar-ui /os-refresh-config /post-configure.d/101-tuskar-ui needs authentication from Keystone" [Undecided,New] | 08:06 |
| tchaypo | that’s assuming it’s actually a tuskar bug; I think someone might have mentioned on irc they think it should be tripleo | 08:07 |
| StevenK | It looks like a tie bug based on the path | 08:07 |
| marios | tchaypo: i'm gonna setup tuskar today | 08:07 |
| marios | tchaypo: which i haven't for while. i will hopefully repro that | 08:07 |
| tchaypo | excellent. | 08:08 |
| tchaypo | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1408108 seems easy enough to do, so I’ll grab that and try to get a change out today | 08:08 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1408108 in tripleo "horizon/apache2 image element logging set to debug; useless mod_authz_core messages" [Undecided,New] | 08:08 |
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| tchaypo | I’ve given a priority to https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1404085 | 08:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1404085 in tripleo "l3 agent failed to spawn radvd due to no filter matched" [High,In progress] | 08:09 |
| tchaypo | I’m less clear about what to do for https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1405513 | 08:10 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1405513 in tripleo "[tripleo-heat-templates] haproxy option added for controller caused noisy debug log in keystone" [Undecided,New] | 08:10 |
| marios | tchaypo: the fix for the radvd one just needs another +2 | 08:10 |
| marios | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/143796/ | 08:10 |
| tchaypo | it sounds like we want to find another url to use for the httpchk | 08:10 |
| tchaypo | marios: fortunately we have at least 3 cores here, so it seems very doable right now! | 08:10 |
| * StevenK hides | 08:11 | |
| tchaypo | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1402795 has two proposed fixes | 08:12 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1402795 in tripleo "Keystone token_flush cron job running at the same time in the controller node causes deadlock" [Undecided,In progress] | 08:12 |
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| tchaypo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142420/ and https://review.openstack.org/141882 | 08:12 |
| tchaypo | neither are in a state to land, but I think it’s safe to assign a priority to the bug.. | 08:13 |
| tchaypo | and that should be the nagbot mostly sated. | 08:14 |
| tchaypo | Any bugs from other projects? | 08:14 |
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| tchaypo | If someone with an RHN subscription could take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/1407828 it would be nice | 08:15 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1407828 in diskimage-builder "wrong link in the document" [Critical,Incomplete] | 08:15 |
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| tchaypo | it seems from bnemec’s comments as though the bug reporter maybe can’t see the link because they don’t have the right subscription | 08:16 |
| tchaypo | can’t see any bugs worth mentioning on other projects. | 08:17 |
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| tchaypo | Do we want to try to find some old reviews we can push forward? | 08:17 |
| tchaypo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133885/ has passed all tests at least once on the current patchset | 08:18 |
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| marios | the one next after that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132246/ just waiting on clean build | 08:20 |
| tchaypo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101237/ is a spec | 08:20 |
| tchaypo | reading the latest comments, it seems like there’s agreement that the details are correct, the last few patchsets have just been grammar nits. It sounds like perhaps this is a case where we’d be better off landing it and correcting nits later, so that people can at least start implementing the spec | 08:21 |
| tchaypo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99964/ has passed tests and got some positive reviews and seems (to me) ready to land | 08:22 |
| tchaypo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137260/1 is an selinux policy change; do we have any meaningful tests for selinux policies? If we did it sounds like we’d find problems sooner | 08:23 |
| tchaypo | Unless there’s anything else anyone wants to mention, I’m happy to just use the rest of the hour to look at those reviews/bugs | 08:26 |
| * lsmola2 agrees | 08:27 | |
| shardy | +1 | 08:27 |
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| marios | tchaypo: do you want to end meeting then? | 08:37 |
| tchaypo | Sorry, too busy reading http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=107926751 and trying to figure out how many days there are in a week | 08:37 |
| tchaypo | it’s important when we have weekly meetings | 08:38 |
| tchaypo | #endmeeting | 08:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 7 08:38:08 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-01-07-08.05.html | 08:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-01-07-08.05.txt | 08:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-01-07-08.05.log.html | 08:38 |
| marios | lol | 08:38 |
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| Sukhdev | Hello ML2'ers | 16:00 |
| rkukura | hi | 16:00 |
| yamahata | hello | 16:00 |
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| matrohon | hi | 16:00 |
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| * Sukhdev Lets give a minute for others to join in | 16:01 | |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: are you here? | 16:01 |
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| ChuckC | o/ | 16:02 |
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| shivharis | hi | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 7 16:03:07 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 16:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic Agenda | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Agenda (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 16:03 | |
| Sukhdev | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_January_7.2C_2015 | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Announcements | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ": Announcements (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 16:04 | |
| Sukhdev | Happy New Year to all | 16:04 |
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| Sukhdev | Hope you had relaxing holidays and wonderful start to New Year | 16:04 |
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| shivharis | thanks, same to all | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | Just a reminder Kilo-2 is approaching soon - in less than a month | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | #link - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 16:05 |
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| Sukhdev | Anybody has any announcement to make? | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: L2 Gateway Update | 16:06 |
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| Sukhdev | I thought I give you a quick update - a new effort has been kicked off in the networking team | 16:07 |
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| Sukhdev | A bi-weekly meeting is scheduled every other monday - you can see details here - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings#Networking_L2_Gateway_meeting | 16:08 |
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| Sukhdev | The team's goal is to come up with an API for L2 Gateway functionality | 16:08 |
| Sukhdev | This project is being kicked off from stackforge - not as part of neutron tree | 16:09 |
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| Sukhdev | If anybody is interested in the topic, feel free to join us in the meetings or feel free to ping me for more details | 16:09 |
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| Sukhdev | We have initial version of API and the goal is to have a working version within Kilo cycle | 16:10 |
| Sukhdev | Any questions on this topic before moving on? | 16:10 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Thanks - I’ll take a close look | 16:11 |
| yamahata | Sukhdev: where is the past log? | 16:11 |
| Sukhdev | yamahata: The first meeting took place yesterday | 16:11 |
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| Sukhdev | yamahata: the logs will be here - http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_l2gw/ | 16:12 |
| yamahata | Sukhdev: thanks. will take a look. | 16:12 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: ML2 Drivers decomposition | 16:13 |
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| Sukhdev | We covered this topic in our last meeting | 16:13 |
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| Sukhdev | and provided details about what transpired in SLC sprint related to this issue | 16:13 |
| Sukhdev | The question I wanted to ask the team is if we should follow up on this topic here in this meetings? | 16:14 |
| moshele | Sukhdev: do we have a working example of the split like odl? | 16:14 |
| Sukhdev | moshele: I started to work on it - I am more than half way done, and then got pulled into something else unfortunately | 16:15 |
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| Sukhdev | moshele: mestery had ODL almost done few back - I did not check if he posted the final version yet | 16:16 |
| Sukhdev | has anyone seen it | 16:16 |
| shivharis | link to etherpad? | 16:16 |
| Sukhdev | mestery: are you here? | 16:16 |
| Sukhdev | mestery: have you completed the OLD driver split? | 16:16 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: Here, yes. Yes, ODL is split, but I do not have the changes merged upstream yet to make it fully work. | 16:17 |
| mestery | But the repo is out there, yes. | 16:17 |
| mestery | stackforge/networking-odl | 16:17 |
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| moshele | ok, thank I will look into that | 16:17 |
| Sukhdev | so looks like mestery and I are both in same stage | 16:18 |
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| Sukhdev | Hopefully within next couple of weeks, I hope to complete the Arista ML2 driver split | 16:18 |
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| Sukhdev | Shall we keep this item on the agenda until we have couple of working examples? | 16:19 |
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| moshele | I think so | 16:20 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: I think its a good idea | 16:20 |
| Sukhdev | Sounds good - thanks | 16:20 |
| banix | +1 | 16:20 |
| matrohon | just a question : can l2pop MD stay in the tree? | 16:21 |
| rkukura | matrohon: I think so, at least for now | 16:21 |
| matrohon | rkukura : ok thanks | 16:21 |
| Sukhdev | matrohon: Good question - I think so | 16:21 |
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| Sukhdev | Decomposition is really proposed to help vendors to have more control over the code changes and to relieve the cores to spend time on core work | 16:22 |
| Sukhdev | Anything else on this before we move on? | 16:23 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Blueprint list consolidation | 16:23 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: I do not see Manish here | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: do you want to provide update? | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Tracking_ML2_Subgroup_Reviews#Under_Review | 16:24 |
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| shivharis | we have mostly completed the list in the etherpad | 16:24 |
| shivharis | sorry wiki... | 16:25 |
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| shivharis | would like to get others to look thru and see if we missed anything.. | 16:25 |
| shivharis | so it is out there for updates | 16:25 |
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| shivharis | thats all from me on this. | 16:25 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: Sounds good - thanks | 16:26 |
| Sukhdev | anybody has any question? | 16:26 |
| Sukhdev | Please have a look - I posted the link above and feel free to update the wiki directly | 16:26 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Bugs | 16:26 |
| rkukura | I’d suggest we keep the vendor-specific BPs in a separate section, since these don’t go through the normal spec review process any more | 16:26 |
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| Sukhdev | #undo | 16:27 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: That is a good idea | 16:27 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: is it easy enough to do? | 16:27 |
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| shivharis | we can take care of that | 16:28 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: thanks | 16:28 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Bugs | 16:28 |
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| shivharis | bugs: i am still seeking info on the high priority bugs | 16:28 |
| Sukhdev | #link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron?field.searchtext=ml2 | 16:28 |
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| shivharis | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1378732 | 16:29 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1378732 in neutron "migrate_to_ml2 script doesn't work for Juno release" [High,New] | 16:29 |
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| shivharis | markmacclain ? | 16:29 |
| shivharis | markmcclain ? | 16:30 |
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| shivharis | i think this bugs needs resolution before k2 | 16:30 |
| shivharis | I am hoping to get some guidance from mark on this | 16:30 |
| shivharis | we are covered on this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1367391 | 16:31 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1367391 in neutron "ML2 DVR port binding implementation unnecessarily duplicates schema and logic" [High,Confirmed] | 16:31 |
| shivharis | i think rkukura is on top of this | 16:32 |
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| rkukura | shivharis: I hope to get back to working on this by the end of the week | 16:32 |
| rkukura | I think its important to get it into k2 | 16:32 |
| matrohon | rkukura : did you already start an implementation? | 16:32 |
| shivharis | the other 2 high bugs seem to be not progressing - i will ping the folks again for these | 16:32 |
| shivharis | I plan to sort this vendor specific bugs and assign to vendor specific contributors this week | 16:33 |
| rkukura | matrohon: I have a branch but don’t recall how much progress I had made. | 16:33 |
| matrohon | rkukura : fine, k2 would be very nice! | 16:34 |
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| matrohon | rkukura : ha_router needs it too | 16:34 |
| shivharis | Also requesting others to pick up the medium priroity bugs and work on these. | 16:34 |
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| Sukhdev | deadline for k2 is 2/5/15 | 16:34 |
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| rkukura | matrohon: I’ve been tied up with GBP, but we just did our Juno release so I’m soon back to working on ML2 | 16:34 |
| shivharis | Any questions regarding bugs please feel free to jump in | 16:34 |
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| matrohon | rkukura : cool! | 16:35 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: thanks for update | 16:35 |
| shivharis | that all i have this time from my side | 16:35 |
| Sukhdev | anything else on the bugs? | 16:35 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic Open Discussion | 16:36 |
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| Sukhdev | Anybody has anything to discuss? | 16:36 |
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| matrohon | does anybody is working with linuxbridge? | 16:37 |
| Sukhdev | Looks like we done - enjoy the extra time | 16:38 |
| Sukhdev | thanks for joining folks | 16:38 |
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| matrohon | I'm interested in understanding the future of lb, since no gate is running with it and major features doesn't take it into account (DVR)... | 16:38 |
| banix | thank. bye | 16:38 |
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| Sukhdev | matrohon: you may want to ask the same question at - #openstack_neutron | 16:39 |
| Sukhdev | #openstack-neutron | 16:39 |
| Sukhdev | #endmeeting | 16:39 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 7 16:39:46 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-01-07-16.03.html | 16:39 |
| rkukura | bye | 16:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-01-07-16.03.txt | 16:39 |
| shivharis | bye | 16:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-01-07-16.03.log.html | 16:39 |
| banix | matrohon: or the mailing list | 16:39 |
| matrohon | Shukdev : ok | 16:39 |
| rkukura | thanks Sukhdev! | 16:39 |
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| rkukura | matrohon: I agree we should test it in the gate if it remains in the codebase. | 16:40 |
| matrohon | rkukura : +1 | 16:40 |
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| matrohon | rkukura : the same should be done for l2pop | 16:40 |
| rkukura | matrohon: +1 | 16:41 |
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| matrohon | rkukura : I'm dreaming of a gate job that runs a deployment with lb+l2pop | 16:41 |
| matrohon | it need multi-node, but it seems available now | 16:42 |
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| rkukura | matrohon: haven’t looked at multi-node gate, but glad to hear that’s finally available | 16:43 |
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| matrohon | rkukura : last time I look at it, some multi-node job were running in the experimental queue | 16:44 |
| rkukura | matrohon: thanks for the info! | 16:45 |
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| matrohon | rkukura : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106043/ | 16:45 |
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| Kiall | #startmeeting Designate | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 7 17:01:24 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Kiall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 17:01 | |
| Kiall | Heya - Who's about? | 17:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:01 |
| timsim | o/ | 17:01 |
| betsy | o/ | 17:01 |
| mugsie | o/ | 17:01 |
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| vinod1 | o/ | 17:02 |
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| Kiall | #topic Action Items from last week | 17:02 |
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| rjrjr_ | o/ | 17:02 |
| Kiall | kiall to split bp validation-cleanup into k1/k2 parts. / kiall to push 1398989 and 1399257 to k2 - Both done. | 17:02 |
| Kiall | kiall to put monthly topic sprints on agenda for next week - Done.. Moments ago.. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/designate-sprints | 17:02 |
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| Kiall | #topic Kilo Release Status (kiall - recurring) | 17:02 |
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| Kiall | #link https://launchpad.net/designate/+milestone/kilo-2 | 17:03 |
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| Kiall | We've got lots of pools bugs filed recently that we need to get tagged as k2, so the board isn't very representitive today! | 17:03 |
| Kiall | Can we make sure to tag things k2 as there filed? :) | 17:03 |
| mugsie | yup | 17:04 |
| timsim | Fo sho | 17:04 |
| Kiall | kilo-2 BTW, is Feb 5th.. | 17:04 |
| Kiall | Going to move on, nothing else of interest for k2 yet :) | 17:04 |
| Kiall | #topic Pools - Where are we? (kiall - recurring) | 17:04 |
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| Kiall | rjrjr_: about? care to give an update on where your changes are? | 17:05 |
| rjrjr_ | i am fixing bugs. :) | 17:05 |
| timsim | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145346/ fixes 1404377 from my point of view | 17:05 |
| rjrjr_ | submitted a few yesterday, will have more today. i also opened more bugs per conversations we had in chat. | 17:05 |
| betsy | This is ready to go https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136440/ - Migrate Server table | 17:05 |
| betsy | It also gets rid of all server code and changes it to nameserver | 17:06 |
| Kiall | betsy: cool, I'll try get it another review after this meeting - or tomorrow at the latest | 17:06 |
| Kiall | timsim you and rjrjr_both tackled that issue, right? | 17:06 |
| timsim | Yeah, but I abandoned mine. His works and does a bit more. | 17:07 |
| Kiall | timsim: ah, cool.. Okay so you guys settled on 1 :) perfect | 17:07 |
| vinod1 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139748/ is also ready for review - Add api for getting pool manager statuses | 17:07 |
| mugsie | timsim: yeah, I saw your +1 there | 17:07 |
| mugsie | ok. there is quite a massive backlog of chenages atm anyway | 17:07 |
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| mugsie | we need to get on top of it | 17:08 |
| Kiall | mugsie: yes, the break has left everything in a big pile ;) | 17:08 |
| mugsie | If i could convince my pc to boot, that would be a benifit ;) | 17:08 |
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| Kiall | vinod1: Cool, I'll try get to that one aswell tomorrow. | 17:09 |
| Kiall | Any outstanding issues etc with Pools, nothing needing discussion / decisions? | 17:09 |
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| rjrjr_ | i am concerned we have not had comprehensive testing for it. | 17:10 |
| rjrjr_ | multiple backends, multiple designate instances, etc. | 17:10 |
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| Kiall | rjrjr_: yep, as am I! We defiantly need more testing, and lots of unit tests to cover the code.. | 17:10 |
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| rjrjr_ | paul glass has done some testing and uncovered some stuff, but i'd like to run through a more indepth testing. | 17:10 |
| mugsie | might be a good sprint ? | 17:11 |
| rjrjr_ | unit tests are coming. almost done with that. opened a bug to submit that patch against last night. | 17:11 |
| Kiall | I think it's now in a state that's it's mostly working, and the code structure etc is unlikely to change.. So, a good time to get stuck into tests for it all. | 17:11 |
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| mugsie | has anyone tried multiple pools? | 17:11 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: ah, cool.. | 17:11 |
| rjrjr_ | unit tests won't cover some of that. | 17:12 |
| timsim | mugsie: Don't think so | 17:12 |
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| mugsie | think that will be an interesting one | 17:12 |
| rjrjr_ | mugsie: i want to setup for that. i think we should try that. | 17:12 |
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| rjrjr_ | i also found problems with BIND9/mdns that we need to resolve. (i'll file bugs for the problems.) | 17:12 |
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| Kiall | rjrjr_: yea, I was looking into how we might split out tests into "unit" and "integration", and how the integration tests might be able to make better use of stuff like multiple pools etc etc | 17:13 |
| timsim | That woul be lovely. | 17:13 |
| timsim | s/woul/would | 17:13 |
| rjrjr_ | isn't there an openstack test suite for integration testing. tempest? | 17:13 |
| mugsie | kinda | 17:13 |
| Kiall | Kinda.. Projects are being asked to take lots of stuff from tempest back in tree | 17:14 |
| rjrjr_ | okay | 17:14 |
| Kiall | I'd like to get a new tests/integration folder going - where, inside there, all tests are black box.. e.g. no direct code access, and tests spin up the actual processes as they might in devstack etc | 17:14 |
| mugsie | ++ | 17:14 |
| Kiall | That would let us write much better tests for things like 2x pool manager with 4x mdns and 3x API etc ;) | 17:15 |
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| rjrjr_ | expect the unit tests in the next couple of day. also more bug fixes. could use help on testing. | 17:16 |
| Kiall | Okay - Let's move on, we'll come back to tests etc next meet, hopefully rjrjr_'s pushed what he has by then and we can have a more focused conversation on it :) | 17:16 |
| Kiall | Anything else on pools before the next topic? | 17:16 |
| Kiall | Going once.. twice.. gone ;) | 17:17 |
| Kiall | #topic Monthly Topic Sprints (kiall) | 17:17 |
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| Kiall | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/designate-sprints | 17:17 |
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| Kiall | We talked about doing a monthly half day sprint on $boring topic, the intent being to actually do the boring tasks like docs ;) | 17:18 |
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| Kiall | I just created the etherpad a few mins ago, apologies, if you can add anything you can think of now? | 17:18 |
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| Kiall | Looks like stuff is trickling in :) | 17:19 |
| Kiall | Should we pick a topic, and a day maybe next week, and go from there? | 17:19 |
| Kiall | (next week - myself and mugsie are in Seattle, so the TX will be closer than usual ;)) | 17:19 |
| timsim | Sounds good to me | 17:20 |
| mugsie | yup | 17:20 |
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| Kiall | vinod1 / betsy / rjrjr_ - you guys in? | 17:20 |
| betsy | sounds good to me | 17:21 |
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| vinod1 | +1 | 17:21 |
| rjrjr_ | i might be able to. unfortunately, we just planned our sprint for the next 2 weeks on Monday and I didn't account for this work. | 17:21 |
| rjrjr_ | i'm tentative. | 17:21 |
| Kiall | Okay - Thoughts on a day? I'm thinking Wed/Thu/Fri would work best for myself? | 17:21 |
| mugsie | rjrjr_: cool. I think we will have sprints where people drop in and out | 17:21 |
| Kiall | re topic - Unit / Integration Tests - I think that could be a good one to start with? | 17:22 |
| vinod1 | Thu | 17:22 |
| timsim | Thursday/Friday is good. | 17:22 |
| mugsie | yeah - Thurs / Fri | 17:22 |
| mugsie | we will need time to adjust to the timezone | 17:23 |
| rjrjr_ | i can send you a coverage report. | 17:23 |
| Kiall | Sounds like Thu is the winner then? Aiming for a half day, how do we figure that one out ;) | 17:23 |
| mugsie | (that said I am basically on PST now) | 17:23 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: the gate generates coverage reports automatially, you just have to know where to look for them. There BURIED. | 17:23 |
| rjrjr_ | my org has been after me to get the numbers for Designate higher. | 17:24 |
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| rjrjr_ | they are running sonar and sending me the reports. | 17:25 |
| timsim | Probably afternoon time here....maybe 1-5 here... 11-3 in Seattle, or we could probably go a bit later. Or 11-3 Here, 9-Noon PST | 17:25 |
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| mugsie | 11-3 | 17:25 |
| mugsie | i dont do mornings | 17:25 |
| mugsie | :D | 17:25 |
| Kiall | Yea, 11-3 sounds better than 9-nood for me ;) | 17:25 |
| timsim | That's what I figured :P | 17:25 |
| Kiall | even if we're -8 hours ;) | 17:25 |
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| Kiall | Okay - So, Thursday 11->3 PST .. | 17:26 |
| Kiall | Topic - Tests good with everyone? | 17:26 |
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| timsim | Thursday 1/15 11-3 PST | 17:26 |
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| timsim | Kiall can you maybe elaborate on what you want to do there a bit? | 17:26 |
| betsy | Kiall: +1 | 17:26 |
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| Kiall | timsim: as rjrjr_ mentioned, we have lots of gaps in our tests - code that's just not covered at all! Getting tests written up to cover the dead spots, and cleaning up existing tests where possible.. | 17:27 |
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| betsy | where are the coverage tests that the gate generates? | 17:27 |
| timsim | Alright, that works for me. | 17:27 |
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| vinod1 | so this would be cleaning out/adding/updating the unit tests that we currently have - correct? | 17:28 |
| Kiall | betsy: still trying to find them.. They really are buried! | 17:28 |
| ekarlso- | hey guys -,,- | 17:28 |
| ekarlso- | sorry for not being in before but been busy with family stuffs :() | 17:28 |
| Kiall | vinod1: yep, and if possible maybe adding some real integration tests (I kinda hinted at that earlier, but we'd want to get the framework in place first..) | 17:28 |
| clarkb | Kiall: betsy: they are at http://logs.openstack.org/$FIRSTTWOCHARSOFGITSHA1/GITSHA1 | 17:28 |
| ekarlso- | *skim reads* | 17:28 |
| Kiall | clarkb: that's the one! | 17:28 |
| clarkb | you can always run them as part of check queue if you are interested in the data in reviews too | 17:29 |
| Kiall | http://logs.openstack.org/5b/5b65e05776f5f6d6d488bdd558cd2c9f62701a46/post/designate-coverage/c1aa2f5/cover/ | 17:29 |
| Kiall | clarkb: That's probably a good idea, thanks :) | 17:29 |
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| rjrjr_ | basically, every "public" method in every class should have a unit test. | 17:30 |
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| vinod1 | Kiall: With your link, clicking on the module returns a "File Not Found". Is that expected? | 17:31 |
| Kiall | vinod1: add .gz to the end | 17:31 |
| Kiall | clarkb: is that a bug? ^ | 17:31 |
| rjrjr_ | vinod1: try the second link. | 17:31 |
| Kiall | So - Location? I'm not sure this is a hangout style event, it's more async IMO | 17:32 |
| mugsie | irc room | 17:32 |
| timsim | Probably etherpad, IRC? | 17:32 |
| mugsie | i think | 17:32 |
| Kiall | (might use a HO at the start, to split the work) | 17:32 |
| clarkb | Kiall: probably, things get compressed behind the scenes and we likely need to make apache do the right thing | 17:32 |
| Kiall | clarkb: Cool - I figured as much, just wasn't sure if a bug would be Won't Fix'd or not - I'll file one :) | 17:33 |
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| ekarlso- | timsim: irc / ho for ? | 17:33 |
| vinod1 | Kiall: agree - HO at the start and possibly at the end to wrap things up | 17:33 |
| Kiall | Okay - So, Thursday 1/15 11-3 PST, Unit / Integration Test Sprint, IRC/Etherpad + HO at the start for divying up... Everyone happy with that? | 17:34 |
| timsim | ekarlso-: We're doing a half-day sprint on unit testing next thursday :P | 17:34 |
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| timsim | Kiall +1 | 17:34 |
| ekarlso- | oh, kewl! | 17:34 |
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| ekarlso- | +1 to that that it's needed! | 17:34 |
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| Kiall | Okay - I'll call that agreed.. :) | 17:35 |
| Kiall | #topic Open Discussion | 17:35 |
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| Kiall | That was the last agenda item, anyone have anything off-topic? | 17:35 |
| Kiall | off-agenda* | 17:35 |
| ekarlso- | secondary zones | 17:35 |
| ekarlso- | .. | 17:35 |
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| Kiall | ekarlso-: what about it? | 17:35 |
| rjrjr_ | mid-cycle meetup. who's coming? | 17:35 |
| ekarlso- | testers wanted | 17:36 |
| ekarlso- | that and v2 client.. | 17:36 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: o/ - We fly out to Seattle on Monday .. | 17:36 |
| rjrjr_ | anyone from rackspace coming? anyone else? | 17:36 |
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| Kiall | timsim / vinod1 - you hear back from Joe yet? | 17:37 |
| timsim | At least one of us will be there, "working on a second" | 17:37 |
| rjrjr_ | i'm booking my flight/hotel today... | 17:37 |
| betsy | I won’t be able to come. I’ve got family stuff here and won’t be able to leave town | 17:37 |
| timsim | (I'll drive and sleep in my car if I must :P) | 17:37 |
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| mugsie | timsim: :) | 17:38 |
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| Kiall | timsim: lol - mugsie has a double bed to himself, you guys can share I'm sure! | 17:38 |
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| timsim | Roomies | 17:38 |
| mugsie | i like how kiall gives away my bed ;) | 17:38 |
| rjrjr_ | a new reality TV show was born! | 17:38 |
| betsy | :D | 17:39 |
| Kiall | I'd offer mine, but.. ehh.. I have the plague. | 17:39 |
| timsim | Still? | 17:39 |
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| Kiall | Again ;) | 17:39 |
| timsim | I thought you picked that up in Paris | 17:39 |
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| timsim | haha. | 17:39 |
| Kiall | Okay - Any other topics? | 17:39 |
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| timsim | The first five (i think) patchests of the agent are ready for review | 17:40 |
| ekarlso- | dont share room with Kiall, you'll end with the rat plague | 17:40 |
| Kiall | ^ see? I wasn't lying | 17:40 |
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| rjrjr_ | kiall: i have dependent patches. progress... | 17:41 |
| rjrjr_ | (not one giant patch for everything!) | 17:41 |
| timsim | Agent Patchset order (http://paste.openstack.org/show/155873/) If anyone is interested. | 17:41 |
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| Kiall | rjrjr_: excellent :) | 17:42 |
| ekarlso- | timsim: i'm verify interested in your target stuff :) | 17:42 |
| mugsie | timsim: cool | 17:42 |
| ekarlso- | for dyn etc | 17:42 |
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| mugsie | will look at it | 17:42 |
| Kiall | timsim: Cool, I can't promise I'll get to them this week though :( | 17:42 |
| timsim | mugsie: Actual Github branch https://github.com/TimSimmons/designate/tree/bp/new-agent | 17:42 |
| timsim | Kiall: No worries :) | 17:42 |
| rjrjr_ | timsim: cool. targetting kilo-2? | 17:42 |
| timsim | ekarlso-: That's more in the research stage :P | 17:43 |
| timsim | rjrjr_: I believe we are | 17:43 |
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| ekarlso- | timsim: -,,- | 17:43 |
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| rjrjr_ | lots to do for kilo-2... | 17:43 |
| timsim | But ya'll are gonna tear up some of those, I'm sure. | 17:43 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: I'd probably think it's targetting k2/early k3.. | 17:43 |
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| Kiall | Okay - Sounds like we're done? Let's call it, I'm already doing 2 meetings right now anyway ;) | 17:44 |
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| mugsie | cool | 17:44 |
| mugsie | o/ | 17:44 |
| timsim | Cool | 17:44 |
| Kiall | (HP has one of those all-hands call now, millions of man hours being spent on it ;)) | 17:44 |
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| Kiall | Okay - Thanks all.. See you in #openstack-dns :) | 17:45 |
| Kiall | #endmeeting | 17:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 7 17:45:09 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-01-07-17.01.html | 17:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-01-07-17.01.txt | 17:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-01-07-17.01.log.html | 17:45 |
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| SlickNik | #startmeeting trove | 17:57 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 7 17:57:33 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:57 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:57 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 17:57 |
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| SlickNik | Welcome back from the holidays! | 17:58 |
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| SlickNik | Giving folks a few minutes to trickle in | 17:58 |
| SlickNik | Agenda is at: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 17:58 |
| amrith | ./ | 17:58 |
| georgelorch | o/ | 17:58 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 17:59 |
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| peterstac | o/ | 18:00 |
| vgnbkr | o/ | 18:00 |
| vkmc | o/ | 18:00 |
| SlickNik | #topic Review: #131610 - Log operations - Need to address security concerns and a general review. | 18:00 |
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| sgotliv | o/ | 18:01 |
| amrith | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131610 | 18:01 |
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| SlickNik | X019 / iccha: want to give a quick overview? | 18:01 |
| iccha | X019: the floor is yours | 18:02 |
| dougshelley66 | o/ | 18:02 |
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| dloi | o/ | 18:02 |
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| iccha | X019: around? | 18:02 |
| amrith | she's on #openstack-trove | 18:03 |
| sgotliv | guys, sorry for the stupid question - X019 is Anna? | 18:03 |
| iccha | yes | 18:03 |
| SlickNik | sgotliv: yes | 18:03 |
| sgotliv | thanks | 18:03 |
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| iccha | i think she mainly wanted ppl to take a look at the updated spec | 18:03 |
| iccha | and discuss any secuirty concerns folks may have | 18:04 |
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| iccha | esp sgotliv had brought up some points | 18:04 |
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| SlickNik | got it — was reading sgotliv's comments on the patch. | 18:04 |
| iccha | and possibly brainstorm solutions if there were any suggestions | 18:04 |
| sgotliv | my opinion is that user must be aware of this feature and be able to turn it off if needed | 18:05 |
| amrith | sgotliv, who is the "user" | 18:05 |
| SlickNik | sgotliv: Who is the user? | 18:05 |
| iccha | sgotliv: would it be sufficient if we had a toggle enable_log_access ? | 18:05 |
| amrith | the operator or the person getting the database instance? | 18:05 |
| iccha | do u mean a deployer specific config? | 18:06 |
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| sgotliv | amrith, SlickNik we have 2 use cases public and private cloud, right? | 18:06 |
| esmute | O/ | 18:06 |
| edmondk | o/ | 18:06 |
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| amrith | sgotliv, yes | 18:07 |
| iccha | the api calls auth a tenant, so a tenant cannot access another tenants logs anyways | 18:07 |
| amrith | iccha, the issue sgotliv is raising is (i think) that the tenant should be able to prevent the admin user from getting logs off an instance | 18:07 |
| amrith | if he or she desires. | 18:08 |
| amrith | sgotliv, please confirm ^^ | 18:08 |
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| amrith | have the intertubes got clogged again? | 18:10 |
| dougshelley66 | amrith, what you meant to say was "Is this thing on" | 18:10 |
| SlickNik | amrith: what's preventing the admin user from ssh'ing into the box and getting the logs off in any case? I mean if the admin is suspect, there's are a lot of other vectors of compromise in which the admin user can get at the data. | 18:10 |
| amrith | SlickNik, what's preventing that is the availability of an ssh key on the guest instance | 18:10 |
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| amrith | the guest image (in a private cloud, or public cloud which allows tenants to upload guest images) could be secured to the point where the admin can't get into it (in theory). | 18:11 |
| SlickNik | but we don't guarantee that the key is not going to be on the image — since the admin user builds the image, he can just as easily bake a key into it. | 18:11 |
| amrith | SlickNik, who's "we"? | 18:12 |
| SlickNik | We = trove | 18:12 |
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| iccha | also though the user makes api call, it is also about who has access to the swift container as well | 18:12 |
| iccha | the user could have constraints on that | 18:12 |
| amrith | SlickNik, why should trove implement a feature with a level of security less than the rest of the system? | 18:12 |
| iccha | amrith: do you have an alternate suggestion? | 18:13 |
| SlickNik | amrith: Trove doesn't, and imo it should. | 18:13 |
| amrith | currently, I could (as an admin) build a guest image that I can't login to (via ssh). | 18:13 |
| SlickNik | shouldn't* | 18:13 |
| amrith | SlickNik, ;) | 18:13 |
| SlickNik | Yes you can. | 18:13 |
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| SlickNik | That's my point. | 18:13 |
| dougshelley66 | point of clarification - is there a distinction between the operator/installer of the cloud components (such as trove) and the "admin" user? | 18:14 |
| amrith | SlickNik, therefore a user could just as easily build such an image | 18:14 |
| amrith | and then (without this feature), an administrator would be unable to get into it | 18:14 |
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| amrith | ssh or mysql or anything. | 18:14 |
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| SlickNik | What's the use case where a user builds a trove image to upload it into an untrusted cloud? | 18:15 |
| amrith | it is a trusted cloud | 18:15 |
| amrith | just that the trust doesn't extend to the administrators of the cloud | 18:15 |
| amrith | SlickNik, you write, "I mean if the admin is suspect, there's are a lot of other vectors of compromise in which the admin user can get at the data". Each and every one of those would be security issues that should, I believe be fixed. No? | 18:16 |
| amrith | if they exist | 18:16 |
| amrith | I'm not sure what they are and this may not be the right forum to air them. | 18:16 |
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| amrith | sgotliv seems to have gone awol | 18:16 |
| amrith | so I propose that we table this till he is back online | 18:17 |
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| amrith | I have an independent concern about this proposal and that is to do with swift integration. when manila comes along that would be the preferred place to put logs. How easy/hard would it be to make that change later? | 18:18 |
| iccha | can we do it before the next meeting though? so anna X019 can start work? | 18:18 |
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| vipul | sounds like what is needed is real RBAC to our API, where there is a concept of an admin that's not necessarily the cloud administrator | 18:18 |
| iccha | amrith: we should not worry about projects which are not integrated yet imo | 18:18 |
| iccha | vipul: +1 | 18:18 |
| iccha | and at the same time we must be careful about feature creep | 18:18 |
| SlickNik | It has to be trusted is my point. How does the user even know that the image he's uploaded is the same image that is being served by glance (and not one with a key inserted?) | 18:19 |
| amrith | I'm not talking so much about RBAC as I am a switch which the tenant can flip. and the switch would prevent an admin from access to logs on this machine. | 18:19 |
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| amrith | SlickNik, at some level a tenant who issues the glance image-upload command gets an image id and uses that. of course, you could have a nefarious admin in the backend who substitutes one image for another. | 18:20 |
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| vipul | amrith: why would a tenant be able to deny an user with higher privileges? | 18:20 |
| iccha | say if there is a real customer issue which needs the admins to go dig in, then? | 18:20 |
| amrith | the question is whose admin. | 18:21 |
| amrith | is it the cloud admin | 18:21 |
| amrith | or an admin who the tenant authorizes | 18:21 |
| amrith | anyway, I suggest we wait for sgotliv to return | 18:21 |
| vipul | we only have two users today.. tenant and a cloud administrator | 18:21 |
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| SlickNik | IMO you wouldn't be able to guarantee data-privacy with any method switch or otherwise on the tenant side (and you probably wouldn't want to). A nefarious admin would always be able to get at the data. | 18:23 |
| vipul | anyway.. if we have requirements where we need to enforce roles at a finer granularity besides the two we have today, i suggest adding policies | 18:23 |
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| vkmc | maybe if we carry a list of authorized users to perform that action? | 18:24 |
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| vkmc | something that only the admin user can modify | 18:25 |
| SlickNik | Okay, let's continue this conversation on the review - IMO it's okay to have the API call and place a level of trust in the admin. | 18:25 |
| iccha | +1 | 18:25 |
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| SlickNik | Anything else on this topic? | 18:27 |
| amrith | I would request that we allow sgotliv to chime in. | 18:27 |
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| amrith | he was here but seems to have dropped. | 18:27 |
| amrith | not sure why/what happened there. | 18:27 |
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| SlickNik | amrith: Yup, that's why I suggested moving the conversation to the review — it'd give him a chance to chime in as well since he's not online. | 18:28 |
| SlickNik | (at the moment) | 18:28 |
| SlickNik | #topic Failures in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141081/, we need a new guest image for int-tests to pass. | 18:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Failures in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141081/, we need a new guest image for int-tests to pass. (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:29 | |
| amrith | SlickNik, this is mine. mostly a procedural thing | 18:29 |
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| amrith | there were a couple of comments about this review (141081) from you, peterstac and sgotliv | 18:29 |
| amrith | the issue is that we don't have oslo.concurrency in the guest image | 18:29 |
| amrith | there's a change submitted for that | 18:30 |
| SlickNik | Yes, I saw that you submitted a chance to trove-integration for that. | 18:30 |
| amrith | if we could get that merged once gate passes (almost done) | 18:30 |
| amrith | then we'd be good (i think). | 18:30 |
| peterstac | right - I'll remove the -1, due to the new submit | 18:30 |
| amrith | peterstac, not so fast | 18:30 |
| amrith | wait till the thing passes ;) | 18:31 |
| SlickNik | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145546 | 18:31 |
| amrith | gate is about 20 minutes from being done on that | 18:31 |
| peterstac | ok, but it should just be a dependency then :) | 18:31 |
| amrith | can't make it a dependency because one is in trove and one is in trove-integration | 18:31 |
| peterstac | right | 18:32 |
| SlickNik | yah just sounds like a cross project dependency (between the patch in trove, and the one in trove-int) | 18:32 |
| SlickNik | Okay, sounds good. We can recheck the patch in trove once the trove-int dependency merges. | 18:33 |
| SlickNik | And take it from there. | 18:33 |
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| amrith | that's all for that topic | 18:33 |
| amrith | I think | 18:33 |
| amrith | unless others have q's | 18:33 |
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| SlickNik | . | 18:34 |
| SlickNik | Sounds good. Thanks! | 18:34 |
| SlickNik | #topic Open Discussion | 18:34 |
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| amrith | got 1 ... mid-cycle. agenda, confirmations (headcount), ... | 18:34 |
| peterstac | o/ | 18:35 |
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| SlickNik | #action SlickNik to get an etherpad up for the mid-cycle agenda. | 18:36 |
| SlickNik | Looks like most teams are brainstorming the agenda items on an etherpad. | 18:37 |
| SlickNik | I have a few ideas I'll put down myself, and folks can add others. | 18:37 |
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| dougshelley66 | SlickNik, how many people have registered? | 18:38 |
| SlickNik | dougshelley66: I don't have a total count off the top of my head right at this moment — I can get it to you in the next hour or so. | 18:38 |
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| SlickNik | Still need to tally in some recent invites that came in. | 18:39 |
| dougshelley66 | SlickNik, thanks - just wondered | 18:39 |
| amrith | o/ | 18:39 |
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| SlickNik | peterstac: did you have a question? | 18:39 |
| SlickNik | (amrith next) | 18:40 |
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| peterstac | no, just thought we were doing the headcount for the midcycle - sry@ | 18:40 |
| SlickNik | oh... | 18:40 |
| peterstac | so Amrith's up ... | 18:41 |
| SlickNik | peterstac: I was going to tally up the eventbrite RSVPs since folks might not be at the meeting. | 18:41 |
| SlickNik | amrith: go for it | 18:41 |
| peterstac | right | 18:41 |
| amrith | SlickNik, did we tag 2014.2.2? | 18:41 |
| amrith | slicknik, I saw this email http://markmail.org/message/xec3lpqlsipxum6h | 18:41 |
| amrith | Looks like they reference Trove and give a link https://launchpad.net/trove/+milestone/2014.2.2 | 18:41 |
| amrith | which seems to be a dud. | 18:41 |
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| SlickNik | amrith: No the only changes between 2014.2.1 and 2014.2.2 were changes in requirements, so we didn't need a 2014.2.2 tag | 18:42 |
| amrith | ok, thx | 18:42 |
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| SlickNik | that was as per my last conversation with ihar. | 18:43 |
| SlickNik | I'm not sure if he sent that email out before or after our conversation. | 18:44 |
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| SlickNik | Okay — any other topics for open discussion? | 18:45 |
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| SlickNik | Looks like that's all we have for today. | 18:46 |
| SlickNik | #endmeeting | 18:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 7 18:46:32 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-01-07-17.57.html | 18:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-01-07-17.57.txt | 18:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-01-07-17.57.log.html | 18:46 |
| SlickNik | Thanks all! | 18:46 |
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| vkmc | thanks! | 18:46 |
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| jorgem | o/ | 20:02 |
| TrevorV | o/ | 20:02 |
| xgerman | o/ | 20:02 |
| dougwig | o/ | 20:02 |
| sballe | \o/ | 20:02 |
| johnsom | Has it started? | 20:02 |
| sballe | not yet | 20:02 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: you're slow on the trigger now | 20:02 |
| rm_work | yes but no | 20:02 |
| rm_work | he started it in the wrong channel AGAIN :P | 20:02 |
| sbalukoff | ... | 20:02 |
| xgerman | NO! | 20:02 |
| sbalukoff | I have no idea what happened with my IRC client there. | 20:03 |
| blogan | thsoe holidays really messed you up | 20:03 |
| rm_work | lol | 20:03 |
| sbalukoff | #startmeeting Octavia | 20:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 7 20:03:16 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sbalukoff. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:03 |
| sballe | lol | 20:03 |
| rm_work | WOOO | 20:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:03 |
| sbalukoff | #topic Roll CAll | 20:03 |
| johnsom | o/ | 20:03 |
| jorgem | #help | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll CAll (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:03 | |
| rm_work | o/ | 20:03 |
| sballe | \o/ | 20:03 |
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| dougwig | o/ | 20:03 |
| jamiem | o/ | 20:03 |
| rm_work | success | 20:03 |
| ajmiller | o/ | 20:03 |
| blogan | hi | 20:03 |
| jorgem | hello | 20:03 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, this is today's agenda, such as it is: | 20:03 |
| sbalukoff | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Octavia/Weekly_Meeting_Agenda#Agenda | 20:03 |
| a2hill | o/ | 20:04 |
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| eren | o/ | 20:04 |
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| xgerman | o/ | 20:04 |
| sbalukoff | #topic Brief progress reports | 20:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Brief progress reports (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:04 | |
| sbalukoff | I'll go first on this: | 20:05 |
| sbalukoff | Trevor and I collaborated over the holiday to get a skeleton of some code started for the amphora API. | 20:05 |
| sbalukoff | It's totally incomplete, with no testing, and certainly doesn't work yet... and probably puts the code in the wrong place. | 20:05 |
| * TrevorV did something without blogan around (mostly)... feels accomplished mildly | 20:06 | |
| sbalukoff | But my plan is to get a WIP review going on this after this meeting. | 20:06 |
| * dougwig sharpens his -1 finger. | 20:06 | |
| sbalukoff | Should be enough to get people started on what we're thinking, and yes, I imagine we're going to go through a lot of patch sets before I see any +1's or +2's. | 20:06 |
| a2hill | sbalukoff, can you ensure to respond to some of my comments in the spec? It makes difference for some of the driver decisions | 20:06 |
| sbalukoff | a2hill: Yes, I had been holding off on updating the spec because I wanted to get some actual python coded. | 20:07 |
| sbalukoff | Prepare to be horrified y'all. | 20:07 |
| a2hill | Gotcha ;) | 20:07 |
| johnsom | Hahaha | 20:07 |
| sbalukoff | Anyway, who would like to go next? | 20:07 |
| rm_work | a2hill: wait didn't you take ETO? :P | 20:07 |
| a2hill | yes o.O | 20:07 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: I took some. | 20:08 |
| dougwig | sbalukoff: rule #1) python files should end with ".rb" | 20:08 |
| johnsom | I am mostly getting caught up from vacation time. We have been working on the amphora driver API | 20:08 |
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| * blogan chokes dougwig | 20:08 | |
| rm_work | sbalukoff: yes but a2hill is on ETO *now* T_T | 20:08 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: Thanks for the help, yo. XD | 20:08 |
| xgerman | ruby 4ever! | 20:08 |
| a2hill | wanted to attend meeting | 20:08 |
| * dougwig metaprograms his way out of blogan's chokehold. | 20:08 | |
| * rm_work puts xgerman and dougwig in the corner | 20:08 | |
| * sbalukoff stares at a2hill incredulously. | 20:08 | |
| a2hill | >< | 20:09 |
| sbalukoff | Ok! | 20:09 |
| sbalukoff | I'm not sure what all people were able to get done over the break, so I'm reluctant to call people out individually. | 20:09 |
| a2hill | For my update I was catching myself up on things and starting on the haproxy driver | 20:09 |
| xgerman | I did some more work on the taskflow/api server which starts a nova vm... it now writes to the DB | 20:09 |
| blogan | i started the api to queue code, carlos is taking that over though | 20:09 |
| sbalukoff | excellent! | 20:09 |
| rm_work | I literally just got back today from vacation <_< | 20:10 |
| sbalukoff | Any particular reviews y'all would like to point out that need eyes at this time? | 20:10 |
| blogan | well i have some that are pendign the taskflow discussion | 20:10 |
| * dougwig sharpens his pitchfork. | 20:10 | |
| sbalukoff | HAHA | 20:11 |
| a2hill | ^^ | 20:11 |
| sbalukoff | Anyone have reviews that are not pending the taskflow discussion you'd like to get eyes on this week? | 20:11 |
| TrevorV | johnsom sorry to interject, i have no idea what you mean by "amphora driver API" | 20:11 |
| sballe | maybe we could move to the taskflow discussion and then come back based on the conclusion on | 20:11 |
| a2hill | the API you are building client for TrevorV | 20:11 |
| johnsom | TrevorV: amphora-driver-interface blueprint code | 20:11 |
| a2hill | or that | 20:12 |
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| TrevorV | Oooh oh oh okay, I was concerned there was duplication | 20:12 |
| TrevorV | Sorry sorry | 20:12 |
| rm_work | "amphora driver interface" | 20:12 |
| blogan | this review needs some reviews https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136499/ | 20:12 |
| sbalukoff | Yay! | 20:12 |
| blogan | TrevorV: needs to fix my one comment | 20:12 |
| a2hill | in min going to be updating that interface to the new spec xgerman? | 20:12 |
| a2hill | is* | 20:12 |
| xgerman | yes | 20:12 |
| a2hill | kk | 20:12 |
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| sbalukoff | Ok. | 20:13 |
| TrevorV | blogan I'll get on that later this evening | 20:13 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, let's go onto the taskflow discussion, as I see this taking a while. | 20:13 |
| sbalukoff | #topic To tightly couple interfaces with taskflow or to not (german & blogan) | 20:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "To tightly couple interfaces with taskflow or to not (german & blogan) (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:14 | |
| a2hill | duhdundun | 20:14 |
| sbalukoff | I yield the floor to y'all. | 20:14 |
| blogan | i rephrased your original topic | 20:14 |
| jorgem | "tightly copule" infers to not | 20:14 |
| jorgem | lol | 20:14 |
| a2hill | Ill start off by saying it would be nice to not have to build tasks in the driver and instead wrap them so its less coupled | 20:14 |
| jorgem | oh haha that makes sense then | 20:14 |
| TrevorV | +1 a2hill | 20:14 |
| dougwig | firstly, we're all agreed to use taskflow, so this is NOT a taskflow vs not discussion, right? | 20:14 |
| blogan | bc I am not advocating not using taskflow, im just saying that the interfaces should not be tightly coupled with it, they should be dumb about hwo they are executed | 20:15 |
| xgerman | dougwig +1 | 20:15 |
| blogan | dougwig: +1 | 20:15 |
| jorgem | dougwig: I believe so | 20:15 |
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| TrevorV | Correct dougwig | 20:15 |
| TrevorV | We're discussing where the task-flow related code will exist. | 20:15 |
| dougwig | this is, are our driver interfaces flow aware, or are they "create_foo, update_foo, delete_foo" | 20:15 |
| blogan | and i dont think teh drivers should return flows, I know ML2 is currently doing that but that is a WIP, and I personally don't think it is the best design | 20:15 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: Could you share your thoughts on this with us? | 20:15 |
| dougwig | and it's the controller's job to wrap a flow around those. | 20:15 |
| blogan | correct dougwig | 20:16 |
| a2hill | ^^ +100 dougwig | 20:16 |
| dougwig | fwiw, i'm in the yes taskflow, drivers are not aware, camp. | 20:16 |
| xgerman | ok, I don't think drivers returning flows is a big burden -- it's just soem boilerplate code | 20:17 |
| xgerman | and ensures that we can have an revert method we can call for each method | 20:17 |
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| a2hill | not that its a burden, its that its tightly coupled | 20:17 |
| blogan | but we can have the interface force a definition of a revert method | 20:17 |
| dougwig | but if we go away from flows, then the drivers all have to be rewritten. | 20:17 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: Is this harder to achieve with "dumb" methods? | 20:18 |
| dougwig | and it'd seem trivial to have the higher layer wrap the flow | 20:18 |
| TrevorV | It IS trivial to have them at a higher level | 20:18 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: Do you think we will ever move away from flows? | 20:18 |
| a2hill | thing with that is the driver implementor has to worry about controller code also, not that its a big issue | 20:18 |
| xgerman | well, it's only trivial if the driver doesn't need any advanced flows | 20:18 |
| xgerman | when we looked atour discussion I didn't want to preclude the drivers from having the abilkity to define flows if they want to | 20:19 |
| dougwig | a driver can do its own flows without needing to be part of the main flow, right? aren't those orthogonal issues? | 20:19 |
| blogan | the driver can still choose to use taskflow underneath if it wants | 20:19 |
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| a2hill | If we wrap things in the controller, the controller needs to know the order of the method and which methods to actually call | 20:19 |
| sbalukoff | a2hill: I don't think there's any way to avoid the drivers being aware of what the controller is doing... | 20:19 |
| a2hill | thats a downside | 20:19 |
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| xgerman | yeah, we want the controller to be in control | 20:20 |
| a2hill | then in that case, wraping it makes sense | 20:20 |
| xgerman | and not have the driver call out to other drivers | 20:20 |
| blogan | it will be, it'll call interface methods | 20:20 |
| sbalukoff | For what it's worth, I'm currently on neither side of this discussion. :) | 20:20 |
| bedis | the driver should be a "performer" | 20:20 |
| dougwig | drivers should be, "here's some info, do what you need to do, tell me the result". flows are an interface for abstracting async, concurrency, failure rollback, etc. those aren't "driver" functions. | 20:20 |
| xgerman | well, historically drivers did stuff async, etc. | 20:21 |
| blogan | and drviers can still do that | 20:21 |
| xgerman | well, then they should be flow aware to do that in a sane way | 20:21 |
| dougwig | to me, it's like embedding the thread scheduler in a filesystem driver. let the filesystem driver read/write blocks, let the higher level worry about how to organize it. | 20:22 |
| bedis | +1 with dougwig :) | 20:22 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: You mentioned in previous discussions (and above) that you'd like to see another layer of abstraction for this. I thought you were joking when you first mentioned it. How would you envision that working exactly in this case? | 20:22 |
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| blogan | wrapping of the driver methods in a flow in the controller code, not in the driver code | 20:23 |
| dougwig | drivers have tight uncoupled entry points "do_x", and the controller has a layer that encodes how to put those primitives into a sane flow. if the primitive is so large the controller can't do that, it's an indication that the driver is being asked for too large a piece. | 20:23 |
| dougwig | what blogan said, yeah. | 20:24 |
| blogan | and if its too large a piece, the interface needs to be decomposed into further methods | 20:24 |
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| johnsom | I really want a solution that has clear and complete error handling. | 20:24 |
| a2hill | You do lose the specific abiljity to revert as part of the task when you just wrap a 'dumb' method though and not sure its doable otherwise | 20:24 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: That seems to imply that all end-devices need to use roughly the same flows. Or are you thinking that for some drivers, some of the methods called would just be noops if they don't need them (and then the controller potentially is calling a ridiculous number of methods to accommodate every strange device?) | 20:24 |
| dougwig | johnsom: if the driver is doing little bits, then the encoding for error handling and rollback is actually only done once (in the controller), instead of left to every driver author. | 20:25 |
| xgerman | sbalukoof +1 - what's easy for one driver might be difficult for the next | 20:25 |
| sbalukoff | (Again, just playing devil's advocate here. Because I'm kind of a jerk.) | 20:25 |
| dougwig | sbalukoff: i'm not assuming a 1:1 mapping on the controller flows and the driver interfaces. | 20:25 |
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| sbalukoff | dougwig: I'm not quite sure I follow you. | 20:26 |
| xgerman | yeah, I am confused, too | 20:26 |
| sballe | same here | 20:26 |
| xgerman | if I call say update_lb -- that can be done async, sycn, and wahtever | 20:26 |
| dougwig | e.g. the driver interfaces might be create_vip, create_fip, add_member x3, create and assoc hm. the flow might be to create the lb, and have a tree for all of that, plus it's rollback scenarios. | 20:27 |
| xgerman | and consist of figuring out the state on the lb, not doing that... | 20:27 |
| sbalukoff | What if the next step in the flow needs to be done serially? | 20:27 |
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| a2hill | thing is, from what i can tell thus far, is unless you are subclassing taskflow you cant add the specific rollback scenarios, which makes it difficult to de-couple this | 20:28 |
| sbalukoff | That is to say-- assume one driver does it sync, another async... do we need another method there for the controller to check on the status of the last command in case it was done async and pause before the next serial command? | 20:28 |
| xgerman | a2hill we can always write an abstraction for that | 20:28 |
| dougwig | i'm assuming you can simplify drivers and just have them all be sync, and let taskflow async them. | 20:28 |
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| blogan | if taskflow is used in the controller to call these dumb methods, and one method is async hte other is sync, it shouldn't matter, its all going to look async to the controller | 20:28 |
| dougwig | then the serialization is up to the flow. | 20:28 |
| a2hill | not if youre wrapping with functortask | 20:29 |
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| xgerman | so we are making assunptions: | 20:29 |
| xgerman | 1) driver tasks a simple and synchronous | 20:29 |
| a2hill | you can provide it params but i dont see a way to tell the flow to rollback if 'this particular task' fails | 20:29 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: We could explicity state that in the contract... | 20:30 |
| blogan | im not assuming they're synchronous | 20:30 |
| sbalukoff | Anything running a taskflow is going to be doing it in its own thread anyway-- that thread can wait indefinitely. | 20:30 |
| xgerman | well, waiting is another "task" | 20:31 |
| bedis | the rollback could be a revert to a "snapshot" | 20:31 |
| sbalukoff | (Which... well, might be a problem in some cases. Obviously we'll want to be able to interrupt hung tasks.) | 20:31 |
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| a2hill | I suppose we could have tasks in the controller that has defined revert policies that calls the dumb methods, which wouldnt be using functortask in that case | 20:31 |
| sbalukoff | bedis: It's not always that simple. | 20:31 |
| johnsom | indefinite waiting threads is a bad thing | 20:31 |
| xgerman | yep | 20:31 |
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| xgerman | so all we are saying is we don't want to wrap driver functions into classes | 20:31 |
| dougwig | johnsom: that's what timeouts are for. | 20:31 |
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| bedis | sbalukoff: is the configuration stored in the DB ? | 20:32 |
| blogan | xgerman: i think we're saying we dont want to have driver implementations return flows | 20:33 |
| TrevorV | +1 blogan | 20:33 |
| bedis | that said, if an error occured, a rollaback may also generate an error :/ | 20:33 |
| bedis | s/occured/occurs/ | 20:33 |
| blogan | and let the code that is calling the driver wrap those methods in tasks/flows | 20:33 |
| sbalukoff | bedis: In theory yes-- but there's the problem of resolving what's in the DB with what is actually deployed. That's the whole problem, really. :) | 20:33 |
| jorgem | just to point out, it will be easier to test if the interface is decoupled from flows. | 20:33 |
| sbalukoff | bedis: Yep, that's my point! | 20:33 |
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| sbalukoff | Ok... | 20:34 |
| a2hill | For example: I need to build haproxy configs, call api client, so my update() method would do just that. Then the controller would have a Task that calls the drivers update() method and have revert policies defined. This adds a lot of logic to the controller, but sounds like thats what we want and it de couples taskflow from the driver | 20:34 |
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| sbalukoff | I see this more a question of "where should the intelligence be"? If it's all in the controller, drivers are probably simpler to write, so long as they can do things in a way that's very similar to the reference implementation. | 20:35 |
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| sbalukoff | If it's in the driver, that leaves a lot more work for the driver writer, but also a lot more flexibility | 20:35 |
| dougwig | a2hill: would that revert be to call update, and then call update again with the old config, and if that also fails, start a new amphora with the old config? that's driver neutral rollback. | 20:35 |
| a2hill | could be | 20:35 |
| sbalukoff | It also means that users and operators may not have a unified experience of how Octavia works, depending on which drivers / amphorae they're using. | 20:35 |
| a2hill | depends on what/how we want to revert i suppose | 20:36 |
| TrevorV | Then I'd say the logic shouldn't be in the driver layer sbalukoff | 20:36 |
| TrevorV | Which i've said from the beginning | 20:36 |
| sbalukoff | TrevorV: Why? | 20:36 |
| xgerman | revert might look different dpending on the driver | 20:36 |
| TrevorV | Why would we want a different experience per user? | 20:36 |
| dougwig | speaking as a driver writer, the guys writing new drivers do *NOT* have the deep knowledge of the overall system and failure cases that the guys writing the controller have. that "increased flexibility" becomes "worse quality", IME. | 20:36 |
| blogan | +1 | 20:37 |
| xgerman | they don;t need that | 20:37 |
| a2hill | xgerman, exactly, and thats why using functorTask isnt really a solution either because you cant define revert policies for it | 20:37 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: Very good point. Also echoes my experience as an operator. | 20:37 |
| xgerman | yes, don't use FunctorTasks | 20:37 |
| TrevorV | xgerman who doesn't need what? | 20:37 |
| a2hill | so, we cant decouple if the revert is driver specific | 20:37 |
| blogan | a2hill i dont know what you mean | 20:38 |
| xgerman | so whatever the driver is doing might be more complicated than just a call | 20:38 |
| a2hill | you have to define the tasks in the driver that has the revert etc.. policies | 20:38 |
| xgerman | which can easily be reverted | 20:38 |
| bedis | the controller should update configuration through a "transaction", driving the driver through small "atomic" operations | 20:39 |
| TrevorV | xgerman a2hill I think we've missed a step here. You're saying the roll-back operation should happen in the driver? I'm arguing against that. | 20:39 |
| blogan | why can't teh driver interface define do_this() and undo_that() methods? | 20:39 |
| dougwig | xgerman: nothing prevents more complicated drivers from hijacking their runtime entry point and doing *whatever* they want. being more complicated is supported in both scenarios, i think. | 20:39 |
| a2hill | like undo_update? | 20:39 |
| blogan | a2hill: yes if that is what the real issue is here | 20:40 |
| a2hill | that would solve the revert policies i suppose | 20:40 |
| xgerman | dougwig I just wanted to give the driver writer a framework to do this in an organized way | 20:40 |
| a2hill | actually yea, thats kinda nice | 20:40 |
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| sbalukoff | dougwig: And this continues to work with taskflow especially if the driver interfaces are all sync by contract. | 20:40 |
| a2hill | so in my above example, the revert policy would just call the 'undo' methods | 20:40 |
| dougwig | sbalukoff: right | 20:41 |
| a2hill | so its still defined by the driver, but the task built in controller | 20:41 |
| blogan | a2hill: yes | 20:41 |
| a2hill | I like that | 20:41 |
| dougwig | blogan: +1 | 20:41 |
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| xgerman | not sure how that is different from wrapping those two functions ina class | 20:42 |
| a2hill | IT would be the same thing, just not coupled to the interface. If im understanding your confusion correctly :P | 20:43 |
| a2hill | er to taskflow | 20:43 |
| blogan | xgerman: the difference is driver writers dont have to worry about taskflow and flows, and they just ahve to worry about writing the methods to do exactly what they say they are supposed to do | 20:43 |
| blogan | its clearer | 20:44 |
| sbalukoff | For the driver writers... | 20:44 |
| blogan | and easier to test | 20:44 |
| sbalukoff | Who are likely not to have intimate knowledge about everything the controller has to do. | 20:44 |
| blogan | no and they shouldn't | 20:44 |
| xgerman | they don't need that knowledge - | 20:44 |
| a2hill | but they wouldnt need to if we do it this way | 20:44 |
| TrevorV | Not to mention, in my opinion, we shouldn't couple an interface (which is meant to be generic) to a technology. | 20:44 |
| sbalukoff | Also, the controller taskflows are likely to get a lot more complicated with Octavia v2.0.... | 20:44 |
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| sbalukoff | Leaving that kind of logic in the driver at that point seems like a really bad idea. | 20:45 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: what logic? | 20:45 |
| xgerman | which logic? | 20:45 |
| blogan | lol | 20:45 |
| xgerman | yeah, all I wanted to give driver writers a framework so if assign_vip is ten steps they could make that more orgznized | 20:45 |
| blogan | if its ten steps then they can organize that themselves | 20:46 |
| sbalukoff | Well, maybe I'm thinking about this wrong, but I'm talking about roll-back logic when, say, you're trying to bind to a specific IP on 100 amphorae and it doesn't work on one of them... | 20:46 |
| xgerman | yeah, hence tey would return a flow containing those ten steps | 20:46 |
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| sbalukoff | But... again, I'm probably not thinking about this correctly. | 20:46 |
| blogan | xgerman: or they use taskflow in their own driver | 20:46 |
| blogan | xgerman: or they solve it in another way that they prefer | 20:46 |
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| blogan | i wish this had come up at the hackathon :( | 20:47 |
| blogan | bc whiteboarding would be great! | 20:47 |
| dougwig | (or provide a parent method to request a flow handle and populate it, then return success.) | 20:48 |
| xgerman | yep | 20:48 |
| dougwig | ((optionally)) | 20:48 |
| xgerman | I felt the flow stuff was lightweight enough o warrant just saying get_flow | 20:48 |
| TrevorV | Not to be a stick in the mud, but from what I can collect popular opinion on the topic at hand is decoupling driver from task-flow. | 20:49 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: It did come up at the end of the week at the hackathon, I believe.... but parties had already left at that point. | 20:49 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: ouch | 20:49 |
| a2hill | I think this is what im thinking about, is this wrong? https://gist.github.com/the2hill/0a40cbe6963d8a1097a4 | 20:49 |
| bedis | maybe the driver can implement a method such as "snapshot_point" and should be able to revert to that point | 20:49 |
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| blogan | bedis: maybe, but to keep it simple right now i'd leave that to do in future versions | 20:49 |
| TrevorV | a2hill that seems accurate to me | 20:49 |
| dougwig | a2hill: +1 | 20:49 |
| xgerman | a2hill and that is exactly a taslflow.task | 20:49 |
| dougwig | i'm not sure we've got any new information to offer here, nor consensus. so... vote, ML, let this brew, other? | 20:50 |
| a2hill | yea, just not coupled in the driver | 20:50 |
| sbalukoff | bedis: I'm not sure we want to hand that requirement to each driver writer. Some states are hard to revert to. | 20:50 |
| TrevorV | bedis that's definitely a possibility here. | 20:50 |
| blogan | xgerman: it is, but to the driver writer its not | 20:50 |
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| sbalukoff | dougwig: I think consensus on this is blocking some work here. | 20:50 |
| blogan | driver doesn't need to know taskflow, or how to pass parameters around, how to load parameters, get return values | 20:50 |
| xgerman | oh, ok, I just did an class OctaviaRask(task.Task): | 20:50 |
| sbalukoff | Or lack thereof, I mean. | 20:50 |
| xgerman | blogan, they don.t | 20:50 |
| bedis | sbalukoff: well, not for HAProxy, it's a "cp haproxy.cfg.snaptshot haproxy.cfg" :) | 20:51 |
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| sbalukoff | bedis: Yes, but launching amphora, plumbing them, etc. are much more complicated tasks. ;) | 20:51 |
| bedis | heh :) | 20:51 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, so! | 20:51 |
| sbalukoff | I really want to not be blocked on this. | 20:51 |
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| bedis | I'm not deep enough :/ | 20:51 |
| crc32 | Ivote? | 20:51 |
| TrevorV | sbalukoff vote sounds good to me | 20:52 |
| xgerman | I think blogan and a2hill and I are pretty much aligned | 20:52 |
| blogan | xgerman: would you be okay with the interfaces defining do and undo methods and the layer above just wraps them in tasks/flows? | 20:52 |
| a2hill | i dislike blogan, im against anything he says | 20:52 |
| dougwig | #vote To couple or not to couple, that is the question. Couple, Not Couple | 20:52 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: Ok! That's great to hear. | 20:52 |
| dougwig | :) | 20:52 |
| sballe | could somebody summarize the outcome? it looks like we are in agreement. | 20:52 |
| a2hill | :) | 20:52 |
| blogan | violent agreement | 20:52 |
| rm_work | all agreement in this group is violent | 20:52 |
| dougwig | by transitive association, that means xgerman and i agree as well. | 20:53 |
| sbalukoff | #vote Shoud we couple drivers with task flow? Yes No | 20:53 |
| TrevorV | I think the outcome is NOT coupling taskflow in drivers/interfaces, but definitely to use taskflow in the controller | 20:53 |
| a2hill | rm_work +1, but i hate you | 20:53 |
| sbalukoff | Dammit... been a while since I ran a vote. | 20:53 |
| blogan | startvote | 20:53 |
| sbalukoff | #startvote Should we couple drivers with taskflow? Yes No Sandwiches | 20:53 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Should we couple drivers with taskflow? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Sandwiches. | 20:53 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 20:53 |
| bedis | (I'm lost...) | 20:53 |
| sbalukoff | #vote No | 20:53 |
| TrevorV | #vote Yes | 20:53 |
| jorgem | #vote No | 20:53 |
| rm_work | a2hill: i violently agree, I hate me too :P | 20:53 |
| TrevorV | #No | 20:53 |
| dougwig | #vote No | 20:53 |
| blogan | #vote No | 20:53 |
| bedis | #vote No | 20:53 |
| xgerman | #vote Yes | 20:53 |
| TrevorV | #vote No | 20:53 |
| a2hill | #vote No | 20:53 |
| crc32 | #vote no | 20:53 |
| johnsom | #vote Yes | 20:54 |
| a2hill | :P | 20:54 |
| blogan | that was an oddly worded vote | 20:54 |
| rm_work | #vote Sandwiches | 20:54 |
| sballe | yes | 20:54 |
| sballe | #vote yes | 20:54 |
| ajmiller | #vote yes | 20:54 |
| mwang2 | #vote yes | 20:54 |
| sbalukoff | 30 seconds to get your votes in... | 20:54 |
| dougwig | that does not look like violent agreement nor consensus. | 20:54 |
| rm_work | #vote No | 20:54 |
| blogan | im so confused, i thought we were aligned | 20:55 |
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| sballe | yeah weird I thought we were agreeing | 20:55 |
| sbalukoff | Me too. | 20:55 |
| jorgem | lol | 20:55 |
| a2hill | >< | 20:55 |
| sbalukoff | #endvote | 20:55 |
| openstack | Voted on "Should we couple drivers with taskflow?" Results are | 20:55 |
| openstack | Yes (5): xgerman, mwang2, johnsom, sballe, ajmiller | 20:55 |
| openstack | No (9): rm_work, a2hill, sbalukoff, dougwig, jorgem, TrevorV, crc32, bedis, blogan | 20:55 |
| sbalukoff | The lines seem to be: HP, and everyone else. :P | 20:55 |
| xgerman | the question was confusinf | 20:55 |
| rm_work | i should have left myself on Sandwiches | 20:55 |
| sballe | rm_work: +1 | 20:55 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: How would you have rather seen the question worded? | 20:56 |
| sballe | Maybe we should have quickly summarize the solution we were voting for | 20:56 |
| blogan | should driver methods return flows? | 20:56 |
| xgerman | it seems that blogan and a2hill siuggested an Octavia verison of the task class to use | 20:56 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: If you were basically in agreement with dougwig and blogan, could I ask the three of you to work together on what that 'agreement' is/was and send it to the ML? | 20:56 |
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| jorgem | the example that phil gave us | 20:57 |
| blogan | xgerman: https://gist.github.com/the2hill/0a40cbe6963d8a1097a4' | 20:57 |
| blogan | https://gist.github.com/the2hill/0a40cbe6963d8a1097a4 | 20:57 |
| xgerman | yeah | 20:57 |
| a2hill | yea, thats what i was thinking we were going for, that decouples it from the driver | 20:57 |
| jorgem | yeah that ^^ | 20:57 |
| blogan | you're fine with that? | 20:57 |
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| sbalukoff | Ok, shall we try to vote on that instead in the last minute here? | 20:58 |
| jorgem | testing the controller class in that case is also easy to test out with mocking. All the flow logic gets tested easily. | 20:58 |
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| dougwig | if we run out of time, let's continue this in channel, as people are blocked. | 20:58 |
| xgerman | you can test somehting which has undo and execute ina class easy, too | 20:58 |
| sballe | sbalukoff: make sense now that we know what we are voting on | 20:58 |
| sbalukoff | #startvote Should we follow this general model for defining driver interfaces https://gist.github.com/the2hill/0a40cbe6963d8a1097a4 ? Yes No Sandwiches | 20:59 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Should we follow this general model for defining driver interfaces https://gist.github.com/the2hill/0a40cbe6963d8a1097a4 ? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Sandwiches. | 20:59 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 20:59 |
| a2hill | #vote Yes | 20:59 |
| dougwig | #vote Yes | 20:59 |
| sbalukoff | #vote Yes | 20:59 |
| jorgem | #vote Yes | 20:59 |
| blogan | lol | 20:59 |
| blogan | #vote Yes | 20:59 |
| dougwig | folks have about 20 seconds to vote, given the clock. | 20:59 |
| bedis | #vote Yes | 20:59 |
| sbalukoff | HP folks? Please vote? | 21:00 |
| jorgem | or #vote abstain? | 21:00 |
| bedis | they're on strike :) | 21:00 |
| blogan | i think we can discuss this in the main channel | 21:00 |
| sbalukoff | Sandwiches | 21:00 |
| xgerman | well, we will refactor to taskflow like Ml2 in a year anyway | 21:00 |
| crc32 | #vote abstain | 21:00 |
| openstack | crc32: abstain is not a valid option. Valid options are Yes, No, Sandwiches. | 21:00 |
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| TrevorV | #vote Yes | 21:00 |
| sballe | #vote Sandwiches | 21:00 |
| rm_work | #vote Sandwiches (I am concerned about the fact that this implies drivers will have undo methods in them, but this may be irrelevant for this discussion) | 21:00 |
| sbalukoff | Dang. | 21:00 |
| openstack | rm_work: Sandwiches (I am concerned about the fact that this implies drivers will have undo methods in them, but this may be irrelevant for this discussion) is not a valid option. Valid options are Yes, No, Sandwiches. | 21:00 |
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| rm_work | #vote Sandwiches | 21:00 |
| sbalukoff | #endvote | 21:01 |
| openstack | Voted on "Should we follow this general model for defining driver interfaces https://gist.github.com/the2hill/0a40cbe6963d8a1097a4 ?" Results are | 21:01 |
| openstack | Yes (7): a2hill, sbalukoff, dougwig, jorgem, TrevorV, bedis, blogan | 21:01 |
| openstack | Sandwiches (2): rm_work, sballe | 21:01 |
| sbalukoff | #endmeeting | 21:01 |
| a2hill | :P | 21:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 7 21:01:08 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-01-07-20.03.html | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-01-07-20.03.txt | 21:01 |
| jorgem | lol | 21:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-01-07-20.03.log.html | 21:01 |
| sbalukoff | I guess we'll continue in channel then. | 21:01 |
| sbalukoff | Sorry for the late start on this one, folks. | 21:01 |
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