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| SpamapS | #startmeeting tripleo | 08:05 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 21 08:05:03 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SpamapS. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:05 |
| lsmola2 | hello | 08:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 08:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 08:05 |
| shardy | o/ | 08:05 |
| SpamapS | #topic agenda | 08:05 |
| SpamapS | * bugs | 08:05 |
| SpamapS | * reviews | 08:05 |
| SpamapS | * Projects needing releases | 08:05 |
| SpamapS | * CD Cloud status | 08:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 08:05 | |
| SpamapS | * CI | 08:05 |
| SpamapS | * Specs | 08:05 |
| SpamapS | * open discussion | 08:05 |
| StevenK | o/ | 08:05 |
| marios | o/ | 08:05 |
| SpamapS | Remember that anyone can use the link and info commands, not just the moderator - if you have something worth noting in the meeting minutes feel free to tag it | 08:05 |
| tchaypo | \o | 08:06 |
| SpamapS | #topic bugs | 08:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 08:06 | |
| lsmola2 | o/ | 08:06 |
| SpamapS | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 08:06 |
| SpamapS | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/ | 08:06 |
| SpamapS | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-refresh-config | 08:06 |
| SpamapS | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config | 08:06 |
| SpamapS | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config | 08:06 |
| SpamapS | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-cloud-config | 08:06 |
| SpamapS | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-net-config | 08:06 |
| SpamapS | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar | 08:06 |
| SpamapS | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tuskarclient | 08:06 |
| tchaypo | this is the part ofthe meeting where i suddenly remember to see if anything is assigned to me | 08:06 |
| SpamapS | Yeah me too | 08:06 |
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| SpamapS | Mine are stalled out while I work on adding L3 segmentation support to the holey trinity of Ironic+Nova+Neutron | 08:07 |
| SpamapS | anybody want to bring up specific bugs that need attention? | 08:08 |
| greghaynes | I am currently filing one that is a big deal IMO - seeing f20 failures and there ends up being no logs for the seed to debug | 08:08 |
| tchaypo | yeah, I've seen that a fair bit | 08:08 |
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| tchaypo | looking at the g_s_f_h logs it looks like it's having trouble parsing the .xz file that should have the logs | 08:09 |
| greghaynes | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1413106 | 08:09 |
| SpamapS | Unfortunately Soren seems MIA and uvirtbot isn't here to chime in with bug titles. | 08:09 |
| greghaynes | There is also something causing our f20 jobs to fail >50%, which is a separate issue | 08:10 |
| greghaynes | but this is hard to debug without logs | 08:10 |
| SpamapS | agree | 08:10 |
| greghaynes | and thats all I got :) | 08:10 |
| SpamapS | yeah I think that's where we're at | 08:10 |
| SpamapS | #topic reviews | 08:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reviews (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 08:10 | |
| SpamapS | #info There's a dashboard linked from https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TripleO#Review_team - look for "TripleO Inbox Dashboard" | 08:11 |
| SpamapS | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-openreviews.html | 08:11 |
| SpamapS | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-30.txt | 08:11 |
| SpamapS | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-90.txt | 08:11 |
| SpamapS | tons of old reviews that may benefit from fresh eyes | 08:12 |
| tchaypo | So this is the bit where we said at paris we'd ask for cores to adopt a review and see if we can move it, right? | 08:12 |
| SpamapS | still a bit skewed from holidays on the 30 and 90 day numbers | 08:12 |
| SpamapS | tchaypo: right, have seen it a bit. | 08:12 |
| SpamapS | I don't want to wade too deep into these waters. I think things are working o-k, but we should make sure to clear out the cruft of old reviews so we don't miss the gems. | 08:14 |
| marios | fwiw, just mentioning this made me go check one of those old ones that i was waiting on green tests for | 08:14 |
| marios | (and landed it) | 08:14 |
| greghaynes | +1 to just pointing out check the old reviews queue | 08:15 |
| greghaynes | ive been forgetting to do this :) | 08:15 |
| StevenK | Same :-( | 08:15 |
| tchaypo | I'm digging through the list of ones I'm already involved in but not seeing any that I could move along | 08:15 |
| tchaypo | except maybe 114360 | 08:15 |
| SpamapS | the thing is to get involved with old ones you haven't touched yet | 08:16 |
| SpamapS | they may need fresh energy. | 08:16 |
| tchaypo | indeed. | 08:16 |
| tchaypo | I thought I might have some that just need some +2s to land | 08:16 |
| tchaypo | but I don't. | 08:16 |
| tchaypo | looking at Longest waiting reviews (based on oldest rev without -1 or -2): | 08:17 |
| tchaypo | https://review.openstack.org/137031 | 08:17 |
| tchaypo | actually that's one - all the things people have asked for have been addressed, it passes tests, it looks like it just needs people to look over it again to see if it's ready to land | 08:18 |
| SpamapS | oh also, congrats tchaypo on joining the core team. :) | 08:19 |
| greghaynes | yaya \O/ congrats | 08:19 |
| lsmola2 | congrats :-) | 08:19 |
| SpamapS | #topic Projects needing releases | 08:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Projects needing releases (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 08:19 | |
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| greghaynes | I failed and did not release | 08:20 |
| greghaynes | I would kind of like to tomorrow though - I want to try out my new yubikey | 08:20 |
| SpamapS | sounds like you're volunteering again. :) | 08:20 |
| greghaynes | yep /me makes reminder | 08:20 |
| SpamapS | #action greghaynes to try out new yubikey and release all the things | 08:20 |
| SpamapS | #topic Live clouds status | 08:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Live clouds status (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 08:21 | |
| SpamapS | We talked about this last week in the other time slot | 08:21 |
| SpamapS | I wanted to make this more of a time for those running actualy clouds on TripleO to socialize anything specific to operations. | 08:21 |
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| tchaypo | the bot seems to not have understood the topic | 08:22 |
| tchaypo | no wait, it did, it's my coffee-deprived brain that doesn't understand | 08:22 |
| tchaypo | but i approve of this idea. | 08:22 |
| SpamapS | helllewwwww bot? | 08:22 |
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| SpamapS | ok but nobody has anything to socialize | 08:23 |
| SpamapS | so, bring us your stories, your status, and your questions, next time | 08:23 |
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| shardy | Heh, we had a similar item to this on the heat agenda for a year, and we didn't get a single item, not one! ;) | 08:24 |
| SpamapS | :( | 08:24 |
| shardy | Maybe more folks actually running TripleO attend these meetings tho ;) | 08:24 |
| SpamapS | well we _do_ dogfood it for CI | 08:24 |
| * tchaypo grumbles | 08:24 | |
| tchaypo | on which note | 08:25 |
| SpamapS | #topic CI | 08:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 08:25 | |
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| tchaypo | StevenK: i'm going for breakfast after this, I assume you'll be gone by the time I get back, so how about I send you an email overnight? | 08:25 |
| tchaypo | I didn't send an update email last week :( | 08:25 |
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| greghaynes | I have been hearing that the only think preventing hp1 from running jobs is a -infra patch? | 08:26 |
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| tchaypo | I'll do that later today | 08:26 |
| SpamapS | yeah whats up with that infra patch? | 08:26 |
| greghaynes | which I assume is us needing someone competent around incase it explodes | 08:26 |
| greghaynes | as per infra policy | 08:26 |
| tchaypo | do you know what the patch is? | 08:26 |
| SpamapS | we've been pretty responsive in the past | 08:26 |
| greghaynes | yea, they still like a volunteer to be on point though | 08:26 |
| SpamapS | I don't know | 08:27 |
| SpamapS | but if somebody could #link it that would be great | 08:27 |
| greghaynes | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126513/ | 08:27 |
| greghaynes | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126513/ | 08:27 |
| SpamapS | ty | 08:27 |
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| SpamapS | all tripleo-cd-admins should be able to respond so let's make sure we do stay on top of it. | 08:27 |
| SpamapS | anything else new about CI? | 08:28 |
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| greghaynes | our pass rate is abismal. its been that way for a while | 08:28 |
| SpamapS | seems like we've been debugging and addressing mostly-external issues and barely keeping it stable | 08:28 |
| greghaynes | im not sure if we want to do something process wise to help that | 08:28 |
| SpamapS | IIRC we had more ubuntu mirror problems | 08:29 |
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| SpamapS | Ok well.. we should continue to be vigilant and debug CI failures. | 08:29 |
| SpamapS | #topic Specs | 08:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 08:30 | |
| SpamapS | Honestly, I"m running out of cognitive ability and the coffee is running out, so... talk amongst yourselves | 08:30 |
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| tchaypo | I just took a look and realised there are specs I haven't looked at | 08:31 |
| SpamapS | yes everybody go read specs. :) | 08:31 |
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| SpamapS | In the interest of me not passing out on my keyboard in this channel.. I think I'll move on. | 08:32 |
| SpamapS | #topic open discussion | 08:32 |
| SpamapS | anyone? | 08:32 |
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| greghaynes | Summit topics! | 08:32 |
| greghaynes | er | 08:32 |
| greghaynes | mid cycle | 08:32 |
| greghaynes | (its late here too) | 08:32 |
| SpamapS | yes please review the agenda even if you're not going to be there. :) | 08:32 |
| SpamapS | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-tripleo-midcycle-meetup | 08:33 |
| SpamapS | anyone else? | 08:33 |
| marios | (unrelated) can we get some eyes on dan's template consolidation reviews @ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147287/3 | 08:33 |
| SpamapS | indeed that's an interesting problem | 08:34 |
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| SpamapS | Ok that's 4 minutes of silence by my count. | 08:37 |
| SpamapS | Thank you all for coming, and keep Triple-O'ing everybody. | 08:37 |
| greghaynes | gn! | 08:37 |
| SpamapS | any further discussions can continue in #tripleo | 08:38 |
| SpamapS | #endmeeting | 08:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 08:38 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 21 08:38:10 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-01-21-08.05.html | 08:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-01-21-08.05.txt | 08:38 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-01-21-08.05.log.html | 08:38 |
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| rkukura | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 21 16:03:34 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rkukura. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:03 |
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| rkukura | agenda is at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Agenda | 16:04 |
| nuritv | Hi | 16:04 |
| rkukura | #topic Announcements | 16:04 |
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| rkukura | Only announcement from me is that kilo-2 is fast approaching, on Feb 5 | 16:05 |
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| rkukura | Any other announcements? | 16:05 |
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| rkukura | #topic ML2 Drivers decomposition discussion | 16:06 |
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| Sukhdev | ODL ML2 decomposition is complete and can be used as an example | 16:06 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Right. I’ve looked it over, and think it is a good example, with the code using the driver API remaining in the tree. | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | Neutron side as well as stackforge side codes are merged into repos | 16:07 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: I haven’t looked closely at the unit tests - did they need to do much work to split those? | 16:08 |
| Sukhdev | Yes, the unit tests are bit tricky | 16:08 |
| Sukhdev | I am having some issues with those as well - worked with armax yesterday and made progress | 16:09 |
| Sukhdev | the unit tests on the neutron side need to be very thin - no imports from the stackforge side | 16:09 |
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| Sukhdev | I was making that mistake and hence was having issue | 16:10 |
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| moshele | sukhdev: can you explain why? because in the mlnx MD I removed all of them from neutron | 16:10 |
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| Sukhdev | moshele: if you removed them from neutron side, then that is good. | 16:11 |
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| rkukura | I’d think we’d want UTs for the code that remains in-tree, probably mocking the calls to the external library | 16:12 |
| Sukhdev | to get the decomposition right, one has to get one side right first (in this case Neutron side) with no reference to the other side | 16:12 |
| Sukhdev | Once the neutron side is happy, then get the other side working | 16:12 |
| rkukura | asomya, HenryG, dane_leblanc: Any update on Cisco MD decomposition? | 16:13 |
| Sukhdev | once both sides are happy, then we can add the dependencies so that each side can see other side | 16:13 |
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| rkukura | Or updates on any other drivers? | 16:14 |
| Sukhdev | I am hoping to complete the decomposition of Arista MD by this week (hopefully) | 16:14 |
| moshele | mlnx is WIP https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148614/ | 16:15 |
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| rkukura | moshele: thanks | 16:15 |
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| rkukura | Anything else on decomposition before we move on? | 16:16 |
| Sukhdev | moshele: that looks good | 16:16 |
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| moshele | thanks | 16:16 |
| HenryG | rkukura: the cisco decomposition is "in progress" | 16:17 |
| Sukhdev | moshele: I will look more carefully later... | 16:17 |
| asomya | rkukura: Cisco MD decomposition is also WIP https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145793/ | 16:17 |
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| moshele | sukhdev: sure, take you time | 16:17 |
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| rkukura | asomya: thanks | 16:18 |
| rkukura | Anything else on decomposition? | 16:18 |
| rkukura | #topic ML2 Sync and error handling (Task Flow) | 16:19 |
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| Sukhdev | manishg is not here | 16:19 |
| rkukura | I don’t see manishg, who Sukhdev and I were hoping would be able to provide an update | 16:19 |
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| Sukhdev | We have been working on this prior to Paris Summit | 16:20 |
| Sukhdev | and wanted to pick it up | 16:20 |
| Sukhdev | manishg had volunteered to look into taks flow | 16:20 |
| rkukura | Is there still general interest in a plugin-level solution for L, or would people rather deal with it in their own drivers? | 16:20 |
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| Sukhdev | I was hoping he could provide us the update | 16:21 |
| rkukura | Lets keep it on the agenda for next week then, and encourage manishg to attend | 16:21 |
| Sukhdev | We discussed this in the PODs at Paris Summit, remember? | 16:21 |
| banix | Well we need something for cases where for example update fails in a mech driver | 16:21 |
| banix | That cannot be done by mech drivers | 16:22 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: I do remember the discussions, and am happy to help work out a plan for L | 16:22 |
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| rkukura | Anything else on this before we move on? | 16:22 |
| rkukura | #topic Blueprint list consolidation | 16:23 |
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| rkukura | I believe manishg and shivharis were going to work on this, but neither is here today. | 16:24 |
| rkukura | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Tracking_ML2_Subgroup_Reviews | 16:24 |
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| rkukura | My understanding is that the only two non-vendor-specific ML2 BPs accepted for kilo are HPB and portsecurity. Are there others we should track at these meetings? | 16:25 |
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| rkukura | I’m back working on HPB. Its currently blocked by failures in the DVR tempest tests, and I’m working to figure out what is going on. | 16:26 |
| rkukura | HPB is currently targeted for kilo-3, but I’m hopeful to get it merged for kilo-2 if we can resolve the DVR issue. | 16:27 |
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| matrohon | rkukura : link? | 16:28 |
| rkukura | If anyone cares to look through the logs at http://logs.openstack.org/22/116122/16/check/check-tempest-dsvm-neutron-dvr/9247857/, please let me know if you come up with any theories! | 16:28 |
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| rkukura | matrohon: There are three patches, but the DVR failure is introduced in the 2nd, which changes the DB schema: https://review.openstack.org/116122 | 16:29 |
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| banix | 16:29 | |
| matrohon | but the dvr tempest test is non voting | 16:30 |
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| rkukura | matrohon: Still need to at least understand the issue before it merges. It consistently fails. | 16:31 |
| rkukura | The other ML2 BP is for portsecurity, and is targeted for kilo-2 I believe. | 16:31 |
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| yamahata | rkukura: yes. K-2 is still the target | 16:32 |
| rkukura | current portsecurity patch is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126552/ | 16:32 |
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| yamahata | Sheta is working on extension driver side | 16:33 |
| rkukura | shwetaap: I see you updated this, and I gave you a pointer to the GBP extension driver test which should be a good example of how these work | 16:33 |
| yamahata | which is not uploaded yet. | 16:33 |
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| shwetaap | rkukra: thanks! I am making changes to my code right now. I shall work with Yalei and get my changes up and the same patch. | 16:34 |
| rkukura | I think this is good candidate to implement as an extension driver, but would not object to building it into ML2 if doing it as a driver turned out to be problematic. | 16:34 |
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| rkukura | shwetaap: OK, I’ll try to promptly review the patches | 16:35 |
| rkukura | There may be a few more BPs that touch ML2 even if they aren’t focused on it, that we should track going forward. Hoping the wiki page will facilitate this | 16:36 |
| rkukura | Anything else on kilo BPs before we move on? | 16:36 |
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| rkukura | #topic Bugs | 16:37 |
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| rkukura | shivharis usually handles this, but isn’t here | 16:37 |
| rkukura | Lets go over the 3 linked in the agenda… | 16:38 |
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| rkukura | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1179223 | 16:38 |
| rkukura | romilg: Any update on this? | 16:38 |
| romilg | I have posted the patch-set long back need reviewers to review it | 16:39 |
| romilg | review link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136106/ | 16:39 |
| rkukura | romilg: I just added it to my queue | 16:39 |
| romilg | Thanks :) | 16:39 |
| rkukura | Looks like a couple of cores have reviewed previous versions, so should be getting there | 16:40 |
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| rkukura | next bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1179223 | 16:40 |
| rkukura | sorry, that’s the same one | 16:40 |
| rkukura | how about matrohon’s: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1179223 | 16:41 |
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| matrohon | rkukura : I just wanted to know the status of this work? | 16:42 |
| rkukura | That’s mine actually - back to working on that this week as soon as the HPB DVR issue is understood | 16:42 |
| rkukura | I’ll have an update for next meeting | 16:42 |
| matrohon | rkukura : ok. still targeted for k 2 | 16:42 |
| matrohon | ? | 16:42 |
| rkukura | I’m hopeful | 16:42 |
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| rkukura | The HPB DVR issue seems to also have to do with the kind of DB schema changes planned for this bug, so these are closely related | 16:43 |
| matrohon | rkukura : FYI this would be very useful for : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141114/ | 16:43 |
| rkukura | matrohon: understood, and will look closely at that | 16:44 |
| matrohon | ther previous patch try to workaround the lack of multi-bound port in ML2 | 16:44 |
| matrohon | so we wonder if you'd better wait or not | 16:45 |
| matrohon | s/you/we | 16:45 |
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| rkukura | matrohon: Lets add discussion of this to next week’s agenda, when we’ll hopefully have a better idea about this bug and the HPB/DVR issue | 16:46 |
| matrohon | rkukura : ok | 16:46 |
| rkukura | Any other bugs to discuss? | 16:47 |
| rkukura | #topic Open Discussion | 16:48 |
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| GLaupre_ | (I missed the begining of the meeting, is there a record of the irc bot?) | 16:48 |
| matrohon | this patch is ready to merge but need some core : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102543/ | 16:49 |
| rkukura | GLaupre_: bot seems to be working | 16:49 |
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| banix | GLaupre_: yes check the meeting wiki page please | 16:50 |
| rushiagr | GLaupre_: there is. Find logs herehttp://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/ | 16:51 |
| rkukura | matrohon: Maybe see about bumping the bug to medium | 16:51 |
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| rkukura | GLaupre_: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/ | 16:51 |
| matrohon | rkukura : good idea, i'll do | 16:52 |
| rkukura | Anything else today? | 16:52 |
| GLaupre_ | tks a lot :) | 16:52 |
| banix | GLaupre_: #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/ | 16:52 |
| rkukura | lets wrap up a bit early then... | 16:52 |
| rkukura | Thanks everyone! | 16:52 |
| banix | thanks all | 16:52 |
| rkukura | #endmeeting | 16:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 21 16:52:48 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:52 |
| Sukhdev | Thanks | 16:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-01-21-16.03.html | 16:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-01-21-16.03.txt | 16:52 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-01-21-16.03.log.html | 16:52 |
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| rushiagr | :/ | 16:55 |
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| SlickNik | #startmeeting trove | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 21 18:00:51 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:00 |
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| SlickNik | Short agenda today — should be a quick meeting. | 18:01 |
| dougshelley66 | o/ | 18:01 |
| sgotliv_ | o/ | 18:01 |
| vkmc | o/ | 18:01 |
| georgelorch | o/ | 18:01 |
| esmute | o/ | 18:01 |
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| edmondk | o/ | 18:01 |
| dougshelley66 | SlickNik, I think we said that last week :) | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | Agenda at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | dougshelley66: I'm always hoping :) | 18:02 |
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| SlickNik | giving folks a few minutes to trickle in. | 18:02 |
| danritchie | o/ | 18:02 |
| SlickNik | #topic Review #131610 | 18:03 |
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| SlickNik | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131610/ | 18:03 |
| annashen | o/ | 18:03 |
| SlickNik | We had a discussion about this the last week as well. | 18:04 |
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| SlickNik | A few folks had some security concerns, but I think Anna updated the BP to cater to that. | 18:05 |
| denis_makogon | o/ | 18:05 |
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| sgotliv_ | it doesn't address security concerns yet, I think | 18:06 |
| vkmc | IIRC last time we discussed about having a switch that would enable or disable the functionality | 18:06 |
| vkmc | something that I still don't understand clearly is, what happens when that functionality is enabled | 18:07 |
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| denis_makogon | vkmc, seems like you are talking about capabilities | 18:07 |
| vkmc | is accesing to the logs available for every user in the tenant, admins or not? | 18:07 |
| SlickNik | vkmc / sgotliv_: from the last comments I have on the BP: "We did have a discussion regarding this at the Trove meeting on Jan 7th. Although I don't think that an admin would maliciously steal/compromise the customers' data -- and there's really no good way to protect a customer from a malicious admin -- I think a good compromise would be to enable this feature based on a configuration option, or implement this as an extension as opposed to | 18:07 |
| sgotliv_ | SlickNik, I don't see it in the blueprint :-) | 18:07 |
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| SlickNik | sgotliv_: Just going through it, I don't see it either. | 18:08 |
| SlickNik | vkmc: Only the tenant who owns the instance would be able to access the logs. | 18:08 |
| denis_makogon | SlickNik, configuration group is something that should be taken into account by by the defaul while working with logs | 18:08 |
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| SlickNik | denis_makogon: Can you elaborate on that comment? I'm not sure I follow. | 18:09 |
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| SlickNik | sgotliv_ / vkmc: I think once the BP is updated to address that concern we should be okay. | 18:10 |
| denis_makogon | i mean that log accessibility should be based upon configuration group assigned to instance | 18:10 |
| vkmc | ok, I understand tenant as tenant-admin | 18:10 |
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| denis_makogon | also there are couple things that i'd like to highlight in BP, i will put comments on the review | 18:10 |
| sgotliv_ | SlickNik, I agree | 18:10 |
| sgotliv_ | SlickNik, but its late here so tomorrow I can change my mind :-) | 18:11 |
| sgotliv_ | s/can/may | 18:11 |
| SlickNik | sgotliv_: if you find a valid reason, that sounds reasonable :) | 18:11 |
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| edmondk | Is this still accurate for this feature? From BP: "The tenant might want to prevent an admin from accessing the logs, one way of going about this would be to have a switch as a parameter for trove create (admin_log_access)" | 18:12 |
| SlickNik | denis_makogon: I'm not so sure about that — config values directly correspond to datastore config values (eg. my.cnf values) In this case, this feature isn't a my.cnf value. | 18:12 |
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| peterstac | o/ | 18:13 |
| schang | o/ | 18:13 |
| bartash | o/ | 18:13 |
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| vgnbkr | o/ | 18:13 |
| SlickNik | edmondk: I don't think the tenant can ever do anything that completely prevents the admin from looking at the logs / data | 18:13 |
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| edmondk | SlickNik: Shouldn't this be taken out of the BP then if it can't be done? | 18:14 |
| SlickNik | edmondk: We could chose to implement a switch, but there are other ways a cloud admin can get a the logs since they own the image / instance. | 18:16 |
| SlickNik | edmondk: That part does probably need to be cleaned up. | 18:16 |
| SlickNik | So wrt this, it looks like the BP just needs a couple more updates related to this. | 18:17 |
| SlickNik | I don't see Anna around, so will talk to her after the meeting. | 18:17 |
| SlickNik | Anything else regarding this? | 18:18 |
| SlickNik | . | 18:18 |
| SlickNik | #topic Open Discussion | 18:18 |
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| denis_makogon | i've got one | 18:18 |
| denis_makogon | i've made big progress with clustering for Cassandra and MongoDB | 18:19 |
| denis_makogon | so, now anyone can try it out | 18:19 |
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| denis_makogon | also, pachesets are including integration tests for both datastores | 18:20 |
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| SlickNik | denis_makogon: I just saw the patches this morning. | 18:20 |
| SlickNik | will take a look. | 18:20 |
| denis_makogon | sure, thanks | 18:20 |
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| vkmc | denis_makogon, +1 | 18:21 |
| vkmc | denis_makogon, will take a look as well | 18:21 |
| sgotliv_ | SlickNik, dod you know what happened to gates in the last week? | 18:21 |
| denis_makogon | it was fixed, so nothing to worry about | 18:21 |
| SlickNik | There was an issue with a documentation test. | 18:21 |
| SlickNik | It's fixed now. | 18:22 |
| SlickNik | It was caused by one of the maven resources hosted on rax moving from http to https | 18:22 |
| sgotliv_ | denis_makogon, I worry that doc test created a delay :-) | 18:22 |
| SlickNik | the old resource issued a 304, but maven wasn't handling that correctly. | 18:23 |
| peterstac | here's the #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148728/ | 18:23 |
| SlickNik | Thanks peterstac | 18:23 |
| peterstac | np | 18:23 |
| sgotliv_ | thanks Peter | 18:24 |
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| SlickNik | Anything else? | 18:25 |
| johnma | I have one | 18:25 |
| johnma | This is regarding the DB2 discussion we had last week. Regarding the licensing part there are still some internal discussions going on, so I will wait till next week's meeting to bring that part up again. But I wanted to talk about the third party CI's. Is there a deadline for the Kilo release by when we need these third party CI's setup? | 18:25 |
| johnma | or did we just start discussing setting these third part CI's for Trove last week and therefore need more discussions around this before we decide | 18:26 |
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| SlickNik | johnma: I don't think that there's any deadline. As part of getting the new datastore merged into trove, it would be good to have the 3rd party CI up and testing the new datastore to make sure things are working and keep continuing to work. | 18:26 |
| johnma | sure, I understand. would we require a similart third party CI setup for couchDB as well | 18:27 |
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| SlickNik | johnma: I think that's the case, although it could be the same system that runs both sets of tests. | 18:28 |
| SlickNik | johnma: So that we don't underuse resources. | 18:29 |
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| SlickNik | johnma: The important part is that the int-tests for the datastore in question does run to make sure that the datastore code is always working. | 18:30 |
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| johnma | thats right. My only concern is regarding the amount of time it will take to setup these third party CI's. Do the existing datastores we have all use third-party CI's for their testing we well? | 18:30 |
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| SlickNik | johnma: No — we had a 3rd party CI setup for mysql before the functional tests ran under OpenStack CI (rdjenkins). | 18:31 |
| johnma | Does anyone here have any expertise setting up similar third party CI's for Trove? Just to get an idea of how long it will take to setup such a system and how many people | 18:32 |
| SlickNik | johnma: We will have to provide some guidance on how to set this up, and how to keep it running. | 18:32 |
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| X019 | o/ | 18:33 |
| X019 | sorry I'm late :/ | 18:33 |
| johnma | we have some third party CI's setup within IBM but one of the estimates from one of the team was 3-4 months which got me a little worried about making the Kilo deadlines | 18:34 |
| johnma | but I will keep working on this | 18:34 |
| SlickNik | johnma: I don't think it will take 3-4 months. | 18:34 |
| SlickNik | Setting up rdjenkins took a couple of weeks IIRC. | 18:34 |
| SlickNik | I think we need to provide some guidance (perhaps docs / wiki page) on how to do this. | 18:35 |
| johnma | ok, thats promising. | 18:35 |
| shayneburgess | I’m guessing the majority of the effort is around hardware availability but that’s just a guess | 18:35 |
| SlickNik | There's also an openstack team that does best practices for 3rd party CI. | 18:35 |
| johnma | yes documentation would be great. | 18:35 |
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| johnma | yes, I know about that. I am planning to join their meetings as well. I do have some links regarding setting up these CI's. | 18:36 |
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| johnma | ok, thanks SlickNik. Thats all I had regarding this topic for today. Another question I had is regarding the mid-cycle meetup. Is there going to be a way for remote people to connect to some part of the discussions? | 18:37 |
| SlickNik | johnma: Okay, I'll follow up with you separately regarding this. Would be awesome to put what you learn through your interactions as part of the guidance docs / wiki page as well. | 18:37 |
| SlickNik | johnma: Yes — I'm trying to figure out a way that remote folks can participate. | 18:38 |
| johnma | absolutely. I can help put together a doc for Trove as I work on that | 18:38 |
| SlickNik | denis_makogon was also asking about that. | 18:38 |
| johnma | awesome. Thats great. Thanks SlickNik. appreciate it | 18:38 |
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| SlickNik | johnma: I will send you more details once I have them. | 18:38 |
| johnma | sure, thank you. | 18:38 |
| SlickNik | johnma: Not a problem, you're welcome! | 18:38 |
| johnma | thats all I had for today | 18:39 |
| SlickNik | Anything other items for open discussion? | 18:39 |
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| SlickNik | . | 18:39 |
| SlickNik | #endmeeting | 18:39 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 21 18:39:51 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-01-21-18.00.html | 18:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-01-21-18.00.txt | 18:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-01-21-18.00.log.html | 18:39 |
| SlickNik | Thanks all! | 18:39 |
| johnma | thank you | 18:40 |
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| vkmc | thanks all | 18:42 |
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| sbalukoff | #startmeeting Octavia | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 21 20:00:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sbalukoff. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:00 |
| sbalukoff | #topic Roll Call | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:00 | |
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| dougwig | o/ | 20:00 |
| johnsom | o/ | 20:00 |
| sbalukoff | Hi folks! | 20:00 |
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| xgerman | o/ | 20:00 |
| sbalukoff | This is the agenda for today! | 20:00 |
| sbalukoff | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Octavia/Weekly_Meeting_Agenda#Agenda | 20:00 |
| barclaac | o/ | 20:00 |
| ajmiller | o/ | 20:00 |
| blogan | \o/ | 20:01 |
| rm_work | o/ | 20:01 |
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| jorgem | o/ | 20:02 |
| sbalukoff | #topic sbalukoff stepping down as PTL | 20:02 |
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| TrevorV | o/ | 20:02 |
| dougwig | -1 ! | 20:02 |
| blogan | quitter | 20:02 |
| dougwig | (seemed appropriate) | 20:02 |
| TrevorV | #vote no | 20:02 |
| sbalukoff | As I'm sure most of you have heard at this point, I'm being transferred to another internal project at Blue Box which is very likely going to eat up all of my time. | 20:02 |
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| sbalukoff | :) | 20:02 |
| sbalukoff | As such, I'm stepping down from my role as interim PTL | 20:03 |
| xgerman | thank you for your service!! | 20:03 |
| jorgem | +1 | 20:03 |
| jwarendt | +1 | 20:03 |
| jorgem | yes thank you | 20:03 |
| johnsom | +1 | 20:03 |
| mwang2__ | +1 | 20:03 |
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| blogan | yeah it was good working withyou, hopefully its not the last time | 20:03 |
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| sbalukoff | It's been great to work with y'all, too! | 20:03 |
| TrevorV | I'll play devil's advocate and say good riddens. :P | 20:03 |
| ptoohill | 0/ | 20:03 |
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| barclaac | There's always one | 20:03 |
| dougwig | it had to be trevor. | 20:04 |
| barclaac | Thanks for your efforts Stephen | 20:04 |
| sbalukoff | Even though I wasn't able to stay long enough to see this project produce the v0.5 release, I still feel like we accomplished a whole helluva lot in the last year, and I'm confident in y'all's ability to see it through. | 20:04 |
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| jorgem | but…but…what will I ever read from now on? | 20:04 |
| sbalukoff | Believe me-- I'm really proud to have worked with y'all on this, and am excited to see OpenStack get an open source load balancing solution that doesn't suck. :D | 20:05 |
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| sbalukoff | Also, I will be lurking here, and will try to occasionally review code and such. I'm not being forbidden from working on Octavia, I'm just going to be very busy with this other project. | 20:05 |
| TrevorV | It was really great working with you. | 20:05 |
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| sbalukoff | And thanks, y'all! | 20:05 |
| sbalukoff | Ok! | 20:05 |
| jorgem | Is BB still going to be interested once we do have runnable code? | 20:06 |
| sbalukoff | jorgem: I can't say for sure at this point. BBG definitely wants to see OpenStack get a load balancer that doesn't suck, but I can't say for certain whether there will be enough interest to invest another full-time position into seeing the project move forward. | 20:06 |
| sbalukoff | (It's still pretty early on this front) | 20:07 |
| jorgem | no worries I'm sure time will tell | 20:07 |
| sbalukoff | Indeed. | 20:07 |
| blogan | well the intention of this project has been to create a product that any operator can run | 20:07 |
| johnsom | Ahh, so he is going to work on some fancy quantum load balancer project.... I see | 20:07 |
| sbalukoff | Heh! | 20:08 |
| rm_work | can his QLB do UDP? | 20:08 |
| johnsom | I bet it does.... | 20:08 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: UDP? *puts on shades* where we're going, we don't need UDP. | 20:08 |
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| rm_work | :P | 20:08 |
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| sbalukoff | Anyway, let's move onto the next logical step: Team discussion. | 20:09 |
| sbalukoff | #topic Team discussion (dougwig) | 20:09 |
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| xgerman | I thpugh we were already there ;-) | 20:09 |
| dougwig | yo | 20:09 |
| sbalukoff | I think dougwig wanted the floor. | 20:09 |
| dougwig | i wanted to nominate Adam (rm_*) to be a core member of octavia. | 20:09 |
| blogan | to mop with you | 20:09 |
| dougwig | here's the process: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Approved/CoreDevProcess | 20:09 |
| dougwig | but since we're in stackforge, i'm hoping the cores can just vote here and skip the ML and waiting a week. | 20:10 |
| rm_work | :) | 20:10 |
| TrevorV | -1 | 20:10 |
| dougwig | i need a +1 / -1 from each of the existing cores. since we only have 4, it'll need to be unanimous. | 20:10 |
| TrevorV | No feedback. I'm just going to sit on my -1 for a while | 20:11 |
| rm_work | >_< | 20:11 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:11 |
| blogan | +1 | 20:11 |
| sbalukoff | (Note that I approve the nomination, but am abstaining from voting on leadership positions, eh.) | 20:11 |
| dougwig | +1 | 20:11 |
| * rm_work is glad TrevorV doesn't count | 20:11 | |
| sbalukoff | Looks like it's unanimous among the current cores, eh. | 20:11 |
| dougwig | please note the unwritten rule that the same company should not double +2. | 20:11 |
| sbalukoff | Well. That was unexpectedly simple. | 20:11 |
| rm_work | dougwig: alright | 20:11 |
| dougwig | that's all i've got. | 20:12 |
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| rm_work | thanks all :) | 20:12 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, do y'all want to have a PTL discussion right now? | 20:12 |
| TrevorV | Yesh | 20:12 |
| jorgem | Brandon doesn't | 20:12 |
| jorgem | lol | 20:12 |
| rm_work | we don't want to be PTL-less for too long | 20:12 |
| sbalukoff | It's really up to you (and the cores, primarily, I would think) how you want to do this. | 20:12 |
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| blogan | im all for just doing it now, but understand if anyone wants to take some time thinking it over | 20:13 |
| sbalukoff | That's right-- someone needs to be the belligerent asshole dictator. | 20:13 |
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| dougwig | in openstack projects, any contributor can vote for a PTL. we could just do an IRC vote right now. | 20:13 |
| blogan | well only you can fulfill that role | 20:13 |
| rm_work | it's still "Interim PTL" right? | 20:13 |
| blogan | yes | 20:13 |
| jorgem | yes | 20:13 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: Yep. | 20:13 |
| rm_work | then yeah, we could probably do a vote now, if we have a majority of the community contributors | 20:14 |
| rm_work | how many are we missing? | 20:14 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, I guess it's worth asking: Does anyone have any objections for having a vote on this in this meeting? And would anyone like to nominate anyone other than blogan for this role? | 20:14 |
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| sbalukoff | rm_work: I think we have almost all the people who have contributed code here. | 20:14 |
| rm_work | I would object if we are missing more than a few of our main contributors | 20:14 |
| barclaac | I'd like to nominate xgerman | 20:15 |
| xgerman | Thanks!! | 20:15 |
| sbalukoff | And I've seen people from all the main companies involved talking here, so I think we have good coverage on that front, too. | 20:15 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, so we have two nominations here: blogan and xgerman | 20:16 |
| jorgem | question? | 20:16 |
| blogan | and openstack usually does the voting anonymously | 20:16 |
| jorgem | … | 20:16 |
| blogan | doesnt it? | 20:16 |
| blogan | (i realize this isnt openstack) | 20:16 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: I think so. | 20:16 |
| dougwig | jorgem: what's the question? | 20:17 |
| jorgem | What are the responsibilities again? I realize this is interim but it would be nice to know if the nominees have the bandwidth | 20:17 |
| sbalukoff | I'd be willing to run an e-mail based election on behalf of y'all if you want. | 20:17 |
| dougwig | i'm in favor of an irc vote. | 20:17 |
| jorgem | And we do a formal vote when we have runnable code? | 20:17 |
| xgerman | define runnable | 20:17 |
| dougwig | jorgem: running meetings, setting milestone priorities, keeping LP up-to-date, booting cores, mediating debates. | 20:17 |
| johnsom | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTL_Guide | 20:17 |
| sbalukoff | jorgem: Doing a formal vote was something we had planned to coincide with the v0.5 release. | 20:18 |
| sbalukoff | Of course, y'all are free to change that if you want. | 20:18 |
| johnsom | ^^ responsibilities | 20:18 |
| jorgem | okay just wanted to make sure we were on the same page | 20:18 |
| crc32 | stick it on blogan. | 20:18 |
| dougwig | let's vote and move on. | 20:18 |
| dougwig | choppers circling overhead; obama must be landing soon for his speech at BSU. | 20:19 |
| jorgem | and doug I'm assuming you are too busy now? | 20:19 |
| sbalukoff | So, the PTL can end up being the "face" of the project. Primary evangelist, as well as the person with the vision to drive it forward. They should be contributing significant amounts of both ideas and code and review time. PTL also facilitates discussion, works with people to get consensus on ideas where there's confict, and ultimately is the one making architectural decisions for the project. | 20:19 |
| dougwig | jorgem: i'm not sure it'd be the best idea for me to split focus so much. | 20:20 |
| jorgem | dougwig: I figured. Worth asking though | 20:20 |
| sbalukoff | ok! | 20:20 |
| sbalukoff | I'm going to call a vote then. | 20:20 |
| dougwig | jorgem: ty | 20:20 |
| sbalukoff | #startvote Who should be the next interim PTL? blogan xgerman abstain | 20:21 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Who should be the next interim PTL? Valid vote options are blogan, xgerman, abstain. | 20:21 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 20:21 |
| sbalukoff | #vote abstain | 20:21 |
| dougwig | #vote blogan | 20:21 |
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| xgerman | #vote abstain | 20:21 |
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| johnsom | #vote xgerman | 20:21 |
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| barclaac | #vote xgerman | 20:21 |
| crc32 | #vote blogan | 20:21 |
| ajmiller | #vote xgerman | 20:21 |
| rm_work | #vote blogan | 20:21 |
| blogan | #vote abstain | 20:21 |
| mwang2__ | #vote xgerman | 20:21 |
| jorgem | #vote blogan | 20:22 |
| crc32 | this is kinda big though shoulden't we wait | 20:22 |
| jorgem | its interim crc32 | 20:22 |
| rm_work | i am worried about this basically going down to company lines (and essentially coming out as a tie <_<) | 20:22 |
| sbalukoff | Looks like that's what's happening. | 20:22 |
| jorgem | rm_work: Yeah that seems like what is obviously going to happen | 20:22 |
| dougwig | is anyone in this project (besides me), not in rax or hp? :) | 20:22 |
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| dougwig | we'll have to deal with this eventually. | 20:22 |
| blogan | not anymore | 20:22 |
| barclaac | It sounds like dougwig is the vote that matters | 20:23 |
| jorgem | dougwig: Hence me asking you :) | 20:23 |
| xgerman | dougwig - you are the swing vote | 20:23 |
| TrevorV | I haven't voted either | 20:23 |
| rm_work | is there a "#vote sbalukoff has to quit and work on Octavia on his own" option? | 20:23 |
| dougwig | xgerman: i voted already. | 20:23 |
| xgerman | yep, but you are in none of the blocks ;-) | 20:23 |
| crc32 | so who won this fiat vote. :) | 20:23 |
| TrevorV | #vote blogan | 20:24 |
| xgerman | we are missing bedis | 20:24 |
| sbalukoff | And rohara | 20:24 |
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| rm_work | yes | 20:24 |
| barclaac | time to wind it up. | 20:24 |
| jwarendt | #vote xgerman | 20:24 |
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| rm_work | It might be a good idea to call this a draw and consider options.... | 20:24 |
| sbalukoff | One more minute for people to vote... | 20:25 |
| crc32 | who is that? | 20:25 |
| sbalukoff | He works for RedHat. | 20:25 |
| ptoohill | rockem sockem robots | 20:25 |
| xgerman | rohara = Ryan | 20:25 |
| xgerman | you met him at the Seattle hackathon | 20:25 |
| TrevorV | Its a dead tie. Not sure who jwarendt is, but that made it a tie. | 20:25 |
| sbalukoff | #endvote | 20:26 |
| openstack | Voted on "Who should be the next interim PTL?" Results are | 20:26 |
| openstack | xgerman (5): barclaac, mwang2__, johnsom, ajmiller, jwarendt | 20:26 |
| openstack | abstain (3): xgerman, sbalukoff, blogan | 20:26 |
| openstack | blogan (5): crc32, dougwig, rm_work, jorgem, TrevorV | 20:26 |
| jorgem | yay | 20:26 |
| blogan | co-ptls | 20:26 |
| rm_work | sooo yep | 20:26 |
| barclaac | I'm OK with that | 20:26 |
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| rm_work | welcome our new co-interim-PTLs, xgerman and blogan! | 20:26 |
| xgerman | sounds good | 20:26 |
| jorgem | week by week lol | 20:26 |
| xgerman | lol | 20:26 |
| jorgem | It's kind of moot really | 20:26 |
| dougwig | that tends to be a horrible idea. | 20:26 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: +1 | 20:27 |
| TrevorV | I disagree with co-PTLs myself | 20:27 |
| rm_work | I think this is kind of a mock-vote anyway | 20:27 |
| dougwig | we run a longer-term vote, or narrow the voters down to contributors and make sure we get everyone, or let the current ptl pick, or ... | 20:27 |
| rm_work | we could all see how it was going to go | 20:27 |
| jorgem | If we had a larger community I'd be worried. However, we are a small-knit group so we should be able to handle any disagreements | 20:27 |
| dougwig | /we run/we can run/ | 20:27 |
| rm_work | yeah I don't think it's an issue for now | 20:28 |
| dougwig | if they're cool with it, we can try it and see how it goes. | 20:28 |
| johnsom | Rax picked up another core, maybe the PTL should go to HP | 20:28 |
| dougwig | just me, but it bothers me when discussions of cores or ptl's is based on company and not the individual. | 20:28 |
| rm_work | yes | 20:28 |
| TrevorV | What difference does that make johnsom ? We've already discussed 2 rax people not +2-ing to pass code | 20:28 |
| johnsom | Well, we voted for the individual already | 20:28 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: +1 | 20:29 |
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| johnsom | Just throwing out a tie breaker idea | 20:29 |
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| rm_work | I liked it when the PTL wasn't from either HP or Rax :P | 20:29 |
| ptoohill | +100 | 20:29 |
| * rm_work would have voted for dougwig if that were an option | 20:29 | |
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| jorgem | looks like sbalukoff is still PTL lol | 20:30 |
| dougwig | i have faith in either candidate. | 20:30 |
| sbalukoff | ... | 20:30 |
| rm_work | yeah, that's the only outcome i see | 20:30 |
| jorgem | you have the handcuffs muahahah | 20:30 |
| ptoohill | it all comes down to a good ol fashioned game of rock,paper, skissors | 20:30 |
| rm_work | sbalukoff continues as PTL and has to quit his job and work on Octavia full time | 20:30 |
| xgerman | indygogo? | 20:31 |
| jwarendt | And bring his hats too. | 20:31 |
| ptoohill | peanuts as pay | 20:31 |
| sbalukoff | Haha | 20:31 |
| sbalukoff | I like peanuts! | 20:31 |
| ptoohill | Perfect, we have a deal! | 20:31 |
| ptoohill | :D | 20:31 |
| jorgem | How about no PTL and we share responsibilities until we have a formal vote | 20:31 |
| TrevorV | I think we should stop entertaining invalid ideas and sort out this issue appropriately | 20:32 |
| dougwig | email vote to a larger audience, ballots to sbalukoff? | 20:32 |
| TrevorV | How many different companies do we have involved in the project? | 20:32 |
| jorgem | How many contributors do we have? per the voting guidelines | 20:33 |
| TrevorV | I'm honestly not so concerned about contributor votes, why not let each company include a vote, and vote for the representatives as a company opinion. | 20:33 |
| dougwig | jorgem: 15 http://stackalytics.com/report/contribution/octavia/180 | 20:34 |
| sbalukoff | I'm happy to do that. Do we want to limit voting rights to people who have contributed to the code and / or discussion? | 20:34 |
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| sbalukoff | (My default thought there is: Yes!) | 20:35 |
| jorgem | sigh it honestly doesn't matter that much right now so its your call | 20:35 |
| sbalukoff | Ok. | 20:35 |
| rm_work | yeah it's kind of moot at the moment | 20:36 |
| rm_work | both candidates are already cores | 20:36 |
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| rm_work | it's basically "who wants to groom the LaunchPad stuff and run meetings" IMO | 20:37 |
| johnsom | Yep | 20:37 |
| sbalukoff | Ok. | 20:37 |
| jorgem | yeah the big stuff has been figured out at the hackathon | 20:37 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, it's been suggested that I run a vote via e-mail. I realize people are saying it's kind of a moot point-- but without a PTL if there's a serious disagreement among the cores you don't presently have a good way to resolve that. Would you like me to run an e-mail based vote over, say, the next week? | 20:38 |
| TrevorV | sbalukoff do you have the bandwidth for that? | 20:39 |
| rm_work | can't we just call you back to resolve the disputes? | 20:39 |
| rm_work | <_< | 20:39 |
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| sbalukoff | TrevorV: The project I'm being moved to is still bootstrapping, so I have time over the course of the next week, yes. | 20:39 |
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| TrevorV | Alright just checking | 20:40 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: That would work for the short to medium term if that's what people want. But as the project moves along my opinion is going to have increasingly less relevance. | 20:40 |
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| sbalukoff | rm_work: But that might also work until y'all have a formal PTL election. | 20:41 |
| rm_work | I still think we do the co-PTLs for now and we vote again when we actually need a REAL PTL | 20:41 |
| dougwig | let's get to a next steps here and move on... :) | 20:41 |
| sbalukoff | I'm beginning to agree that it probably doesn't matter much until you've got v0.5 | 20:42 |
| blogan | whenever it matters we'll know | 20:42 |
| sbalukoff | Indeed, but it's a good idea to have an agreement on how to resolve disputes before you run into a big one. :) | 20:42 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:43 |
| sbalukoff | Ok... | 20:43 |
| rm_work | right | 20:43 |
| rm_work | sbalukoff is the arbiter of disputes | 20:43 |
| blogan | xgerman and I wrestle? | 20:43 |
| rm_work | moving on | 20:43 |
| jorgem | non rackspace and non hp will be our tiebreakers | 20:43 |
| jorgem | no? | 20:43 |
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| jorgem | i.e dougwig lol | 20:43 |
| sbalukoff | Or bedis | 20:44 |
| jorgem | true | 20:44 |
| jorgem | so there are two | 20:44 |
| xgerman | #1 job for the co-PTLs is to recruite more contributors | 20:44 |
| sbalukoff | Or rohara if he continues on this project. | 20:44 |
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| TrevorV | If we're looking for an octavia bouncer we can ask anyone to do that | 20:44 |
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| jorgem | and you sbalukoff, just for tie breaking decisions | 20:44 |
| sbalukoff | Sure. | 20:44 |
| sbalukoff | Ok! | 20:44 |
| jorgem | == little time | 20:44 |
| sbalukoff | Let's move on then. | 20:45 |
| sbalukoff | #topic Brief progress reports | 20:45 |
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| sbalukoff | Anyone have anything they'd like to share on this front, and / or things to point out that need reviewer eyes? | 20:45 |
| jorgem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147699/6 | 20:45 |
| TrevorV | sbalukoff I'll be taking up the review you were working on with octavia API | 20:46 |
| TrevorV | Sorry, amphora API | 20:46 |
| dougwig | no progress on simple neutron driver. i'm slammed this week on an internal deliverable. | 20:46 |
| TrevorV | ** | 20:46 |
| blogan | dougwig: you're donig that one? | 20:46 |
| jorgem | xgerman, johnsom and I have talked about the Queue Consumer (formerly known as API Manager) | 20:46 |
| dougwig | yeah, won't take long next week. | 20:46 |
| xgerman | yep, great meeting | 20:46 |
| xgerman | I think we are on the same page | 20:46 |
| xgerman | nova-driver is good to go | 20:47 |
| jorgem | so I just need some reviews on that from non-rackspace reviewers | 20:47 |
| sbalukoff | TrevorV: Good man! | 20:47 |
| blogan | dougwig: i was actually going to do that, but be my guest | 20:47 |
| rm_work | I might make xgerman's nova review my first +2 :P | 20:47 |
| dougwig | oh, it's all yours if you want it. | 20:47 |
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| blogan | dougwig: no you should do it | 20:47 |
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| xgerman | blogan +1 | 20:47 |
| blogan | dougwig: i can work on other things | 20:47 |
| xgerman | rm_work +1 | 20:47 |
| ptoohill | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145151/ Ive updated this, its now using bbqUtils and tlsUtils and configs are generated and calling the api.. so its ready for review i suppose. BAsh the heck outta it. Though its at the end of the chain there, and there are still some failures that causes my review to fail. But thats my update for now | 20:48 |
| rm_work | yeah, still working on some other external blockers to get that chain to work through | 20:48 |
| dougwig | bbqUtils. love it. | 20:48 |
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| ptoohill | Oh, also, going to work on Agent-ified driver and work with TrevorV on the AmpAPI | 20:49 |
| rm_work | I'm on a review spree today, and then I have stuff on Castellan / Barbican to make our integration actually... work | 20:50 |
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| mwang2__ | i am working on the health manager , not submit the code yet | 20:51 |
| sbalukoff | Just as an observation: It seriously rocks that y'all have been contributing so much in recent weeks. :D | 20:51 |
| rm_work | anyone interested in the End-User experience for Barbican/LBaaS should check out https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127353/ | 20:51 |
| sbalukoff | (code-wise) | 20:51 |
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| ajmiller | I still owe an update to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142633, been busy with another issue but will try to get that spec wrapped up ASAP. | 20:52 |
| rm_work | ajmiller: i just posted comments on that today | 20:52 |
| ajmiller | rm_work: thanks, I'll have a look. | 20:53 |
| rm_work | mostly +1s to what other people said | 20:53 |
| rm_work | i think mostly there is agreement now | 20:53 |
| rm_work | so your next draft should be pretty good :) | 20:53 |
| ptoohill | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144348/ | 20:53 |
| ajmiller | OK, thanks | 20:54 |
| ptoohill | meant that one earlier, sorry | 20:54 |
| ptoohill | the other one was n-lbaas | 20:54 |
| sbalukoff | Five minutes left... | 20:55 |
| sbalukoff | #topic Open Discussion | 20:55 |
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| ptoohill | <3 | 20:55 |
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| jorgem | so I'm guessing we are done | 20:57 |
| xgerman | yep | 20:57 |
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| jorgem | reviews reviews reviews | 20:57 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:57 |
| jorgem | good stuff | 20:57 |
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| sbalukoff | Thanks folks! | 20:57 |
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| sbalukoff | And we'll see you around, eh! | 20:57 |
| sbalukoff | #endmeeting | 20:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 21 20:58:02 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-01-21-20.00.html | 20:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-01-21-20.00.txt | 20:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-01-21-20.00.log.html | 20:58 |
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| dougwig | i'd note that anyone that is interested in being a core on octavia.... review, review, review. and note how often you disagree with the cores (disagreement %). | 20:58 |
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| xgerman | sbalukoff diagress the most so... | 20:58 |
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| dougwig | not by the time the +A happens. | 20:59 |
| dougwig | the early arguments don't matter. | 20:59 |
| sbalukoff | Heh! | 20:59 |
| sbalukoff | Oh, you can still plan on seeing a -1 from me on occasion. ;) | 20:59 |
| dougwig | the disagree % isn't anything set in stone, but if you look in neutron, e.g., the high numbers are from folks that +1 too easily. | 21:00 |
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