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| mkoderer | #startmeeting telcowg | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 28 14:00:37 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mkoderer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'telcowg' | 14:00 |
| mkoderer | hello everybody | 14:00 |
| aveiga | hello | 14:00 |
| vks | hi | 14:01 |
| smazziotta | hi | 14:01 |
| matrohon | hi | 14:01 |
| mkoderer | #topic roll call | 14:01 |
| adrian-hoban | Hi | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 14:01 | |
| cloudon | hi | 14:01 |
| mkoderer | ok so whos around? | 14:01 |
| mkoderer | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda | 14:01 |
| smazziotta | hi | 14:01 |
| mkoderer | ^the agenda of today | 14:01 |
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| mkoderer | all right, let's get started | 14:01 |
| mkoderer | #topic action items from last week | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "action items from last week (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 14:01 | |
| beagles | hi | 14:02 |
| ndipanov | hey | 14:02 |
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| mkoderer | I took the action item to write down requirments about openstack HA | 14:02 |
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| mkoderer | I didn't had the time but I created a etherpad ;) | 14:02 |
| mkoderer | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/telcowg-usecase-openstack-ha | 14:02 |
| mkoderer | anyone can add stuff there | 14:03 |
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| mkoderer | I will fill it with some details during the week | 14:03 |
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| vks | mkoderer, how did this HA will handle the breakage of service chain? | 14:03 |
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| mkoderer | vks: ok so the scope that I had in mind was OpenStack service HA | 14:04 |
| mkoderer | vks: but your right we possible need to think about that too | 14:04 |
| vks | mkoderer, yeah thats true its ok for computes but i guess here focus should be what service will effect if that compute goes down | 14:05 |
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| cloudon | by "OpenStack service HA" do you mean ensuring the services provided by OpenStack (nova, neutron etc) are themselves HA, or that OpenStack provides HA assistance to network functions running as VMs in OpenStack e.g. VM monitoring & restart? | 14:06 |
| mkoderer | vks: we have a draft for service chaning here | 14:06 |
| mkoderer | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kKIqu2ipN6 | 14:06 |
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| mkoderer | cloudon: your first point | 14:07 |
| mkoderer | cloudon: but we can enhance the scope | 14:07 |
| cloudon | thanks | 14:07 |
| cloudon | think keeping scope restricted to 1st point will help | 14:07 |
| vks | mkoderer, so focus is on Openstackservices ??? | 14:08 |
| vks | like nova, neutron | 14:08 |
| vks | ??? | 14:08 |
| mkoderer | vks: yep | 14:08 |
| mkoderer | vks: we have already many things to describe there | 14:08 |
| mkoderer | and HA for service chaning is a bit fuzzy | 14:09 |
| beagles | cloudon: concur... functionality that supports HA in VMs is really a different bag of tricks. | 14:09 |
| mkoderer | correct | 14:09 |
| vks | mkoderer, i agree but can we have one doc where the goals are enumerated? | 14:09 |
| vks | for HA | 14:09 |
| aveiga | I think it's important to remember that we have to crawl before we can get to the run part. Going straight for service chain HA is a quite big bite to chew on | 14:09 |
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| mkoderer | vks: i will put it into that etherpad and make it clear | 14:10 |
| vks | mkoderer, ok | 14:10 |
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| cloudon | aveiga: +1 | 14:10 |
| vks | aveiga, i agree | 14:10 |
| matrohon | mkoderer : I undesrtood that the focus of HA was : what kind of services need to be span across multiple openstack DC... | 14:10 |
| mkoderer | #action mkoderer define scope of OpenStack HA use case clearly | 14:10 |
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| matrohon | mkoderer : +1 | 14:10 |
| vks | mkoderer, +1 | 14:11 |
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| vks | i think the sooner the finer detail gets enumerated better | 14:11 |
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| cloudon | matrohon: agree that's important but think that's different: NFV is pretty explicit about VNFs potentially spanning multiple VIMs (i.e. cloud instances) with the orchestrator managing all that; this is about making an individual OpenStack instance as available as possible (IMHO) | 14:11 |
| mkoderer | matrohon: like supporting OpenStack multiregion and so on? | 14:11 |
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| mkoderer | let me bring my thought into the etherpad and then let's discuss more deeply | 14:12 |
| matrohon | mkoderer : yes | 14:12 |
| matrohon | mkoderer : fine | 14:13 |
| mkoderer | all right | 14:13 |
| mkoderer | #topic Use Cases | 14:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Use Cases (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 14:13 | |
| vks | cloudon, but each instance will have complete n/w functionality??? | 14:13 |
| adrian-hoban | cloudon: +1, I think we agreed previously to focus on single DC deployments | 14:13 |
| vks | adrian-hoban, yes even i agreed to focus on single DC deployment | 14:14 |
| dalgaaf | Is HA about only about inter DC OpenStack services or also about HA within a DC or even fire compartment? | 14:14 |
| mkoderer | adrian-hoban: yep, we write all use cases for single DC deployment and add the needed requirments for HA into the HA use case | 14:14 |
| dalgaaf | I would say both is important | 14:14 |
| vks | dalgaaf, its both but we should focus first on single site | 14:14 |
| dalgaaf | ok | 14:15 |
| mkoderer | ok back to the topic... "use cases" | 14:15 |
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| mkoderer | sgordon told me that we didn't have much progress in reviewing the existing ones | 14:15 |
| aveiga | mkoderer: that's correct | 14:15 |
| mkoderer | so would it help to have a usecase repo and use gerrit to review it? | 14:16 |
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| vks | mkoderer, i think if we focus on single case first, may be we will have gud idea | 14:16 |
| aveiga | vks: we attempted that two weeks back | 14:17 |
| aveiga | it didn't go so well | 14:17 |
| cloudon | the concern about gerrit is barrier to entry for non-devs, particularly SPs | 14:17 |
| mkoderer | I have the felling it's a tool issue... since reviewing in etherpad or inside IRC isn't very efficent | 14:17 |
| aveiga | cloudon: we also don't have a place for a cross-project repo at the moment | 14:17 |
| ybabenko | +1 | 14:17 |
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| ybabenko | the problem is that we have not reached any serious progress so far on discussion of the use-cases | 14:18 |
| mkoderer | cloudon: yep this is a valid concern...but anyway I suggest that we simply try it | 14:18 |
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| vks | aveiga, so if single use case is problem, how multiple use case will get studied | 14:18 |
| matrohon | aveiga : what about openstack-specs? | 14:18 |
| ybabenko | for example, on service chaining etherpad there are not comments: either the topic is not interesting (i can not imagine this) or our model of working in telcowg does not work | 14:18 |
| matrohon | aveiga : for cross-project specs | 14:18 |
| aveiga | vks: not saying we shouldn't, just saying doing it over IRC didn't work too well | 14:18 |
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| vks | aveiga, i agree | 14:19 |
| aveiga | matrohon: we can try that, but like cloudon said none of the Telcos will go there | 14:19 |
| mkoderer | aveiga: we will go there :P | 14:19 |
| aveiga | well, I shouldn't make a blanket statement, since I work for a telco and we contribute code, but in most cases... | 14:19 |
| mkoderer | so at least there are some telco that are already active in reviews | 14:19 |
| matrohon | aviga : I agree, it is managed by the TC | 14:19 |
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| mkoderer | does somebody has a better idea to make the use cases review more efficent? | 14:20 |
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| aveiga | I think whatever method we use needs to get advertised on the operators mailing list | 14:21 |
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| mkoderer | aveiga: +1 | 14:21 |
| vks | aveiga, can we pick one general use case and advertise on operators mailing list? | 14:22 |
| matrohon | I think this might be the role ETSI NFV to review use cases | 14:22 |
| mkoderer | vks: this would meen we do the review in the ML | 14:22 |
| aveiga | vks: I think we need to send the whole list of them to the operators, because not all of them will be interested in just the one use case | 14:23 |
| matrohon | we consume them, and try to implement them in Openstack | 14:23 |
| matrohon | that is the way I see it :) | 14:23 |
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| aveiga | mkoderer: the idea is to advertise the method, not do the actual work there | 14:23 |
| vks | mkoderer, but gving too many things, response will be sparse | 14:23 |
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| vks | probably not enough | 14:24 |
| mkoderer | matrohon: yep I would like to find the fastest way to work on the implementation :) | 14:24 |
| ybabenko | mkoderer: maybe we need a telcowg agenda for the next summit | 14:24 |
| ybabenko | to draw attention to our issues and make community aware about telcos :) | 14:25 |
| aveiga | ybabenko: already working on it | 14:25 |
| matrohon | mkoderer : of course, this is the hard part | 14:25 |
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| mkoderer | ybabenko: sure but the summit is some months away.. I really would like to see progess :) | 14:25 |
| vks | but thats far from now | 14:25 |
| matrohon | mkoderer : but I think we should translate ETSI NFV uses cases in openstack specs if needed | 14:26 |
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| mkoderer | matrohon: sure if there are useful | 14:26 |
| matrohon | for instances, cloudon implemented a use case and didn't need any modification in openstack | 14:26 |
| vks | we need to start | 14:26 |
| vks | matrohon, which use case? | 14:27 |
| cloudon | ETSI NFV use cases are quite vague - the thinking is picking specific concrete examples and identifying what gaps exist is much more helpful for/convincing to OpenStack devs | 14:27 |
| aveiga | cloudon: +1 | 14:27 |
| aveiga | this is what sgordon was attempting with the use cases in the wiki | 14:27 |
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| matrohon | cloudon, vks : I think it was SBC | 14:28 |
| vks | cloudon, can i get the details? | 14:28 |
| cloudon | it was the vIMS one that didn't need changes - SBC did! | 14:28 |
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| mkoderer | cloudon: this one https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/telcowg-usecase-Virtual_IMS_Core? | 14:28 |
| cloudon | yup | 14:28 |
| mkoderer | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/telcowg-usecase-Virtual_IMS_Core | 14:28 |
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| mkoderer | the security use case also have many aspects that are somehow solves | 14:29 |
| mkoderer | #https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/telcowg-usecase-Security_Segregation | 14:29 |
| mkoderer | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/telcowg-usecase-Security_Segregation | 14:29 |
| cloudon | that was the one we started discussing a while back, identifying a possible gap in scheduling ("group affinity"), but that falls into the category of "make it work better" rather than "doesn't work at all in OpenStack" | 14:29 |
| mkoderer | but anyway it's good to collect them and give guidance how to implement them | 14:29 |
| matrohon | cloudon : cool is there a gap analysis for SBC use cases? | 14:30 |
| cloudon | yes - the use case mentions lots of gaps with links to bps, many of which are now done | 14:30 |
| cloudon | (strugles to find link) | 14:30 |
| mkoderer | ok folks, anyway the review topic isn't really solved :) | 14:31 |
| mkoderer | I will upload a simple use case to the sandbox repo and send it around | 14:31 |
| mkoderer | and we will see how many ppl participate | 14:31 |
| cloudon | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TelcoWorkingGroup/UseCases#Session_Border_Controller | 14:31 |
| mkoderer | if it works I will create a repo or we use the cross project one | 14:31 |
| cloudon | the requirements section has lots of instances of gaps | 14:32 |
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| mkoderer | do we have any other use realted to Use Cases? | 14:32 |
| matrohon | FYI : we are currently working on IPVPN interconnection use case and trying to find consensus on API in neutron | 14:33 |
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| mkoderer | #info matrohon working on IPVPN interconnection use case | 14:33 |
| matrohon | which is related to VPN instantiation use case | 14:33 |
| vks | matrohon, single site or multisite? | 14:33 |
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| mkoderer | ok I think we can move on | 14:35 |
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| mkoderer | #topic Intel NFV CI Update | 14:35 |
| matrohon | vks : both, being able to attach tenant networks to IPVPN, and being able to interconnect DC through an IPVPN | 14:35 |
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| mkoderer | I don't know whos added that... is someone from Intel around? | 14:36 |
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| adrian-hoban_ | Yep | 14:36 |
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| adrian-hoban_ | I've had a few requests for info on the status of our CI for NFV | 14:36 |
| mkoderer | adrian-hoban_: ok | 14:37 |
| adrian-hoban_ | Thought you guys might be interested too | 14:37 |
| mkoderer | adrian-hoban_: sure | 14:37 |
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| adrian-hoban_ | Intel is working on 3 CI environments for NFV in development. One CI for PCIe & SR-IOV, one CI for NFV items in Nova such as NUMA, CPU pinning, I/O aware scheduling, and one CI for Neutron related items such as the new mechanism driver/agent for ovs+dpdk-netdev | 14:37 |
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| adrian-hoban_ | The logs should be visible for the SR-IOV CI in ~2 weeks | 14:38 |
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| adrian-hoban_ | The other two CIs will be seen as one "intel-networking-ci account on review.openstack.org | 14:38 |
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| adrian-hoban_ | Expect to see logs by Kilo-3 | 14:39 |
| mkoderer | adrian-hoban_: ok nice | 14:39 |
| aveiga | adrian-hoban_: are these interconnected? | 14:39 |
| aveiga | i.e. can you run dpdk and sr-iov? | 14:39 |
| adrian-hoban_ | aveiga: Different environments to start with | 14:39 |
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| aveiga | ok | 14:40 |
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| mkoderer | adrian-hoban_: and what's the current state? your building the envs? | 14:40 |
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| adrian-hoban_ | We'll let the dev list know as we make the logs available. | 14:41 |
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| mkoderer | adrian-hoban_: ok, let me know if you have any issues with the integration into the infra chain | 14:42 |
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| adrian-hoban_ | mkoderer: Ok, will do. | 14:42 |
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| mkoderer | great, so let's move on | 14:43 |
| mkoderer | #topic Open discussion | 14:43 |
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| mkoderer | do we have anything else? | 14:43 |
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| margaret__ | I came in late - did we discuss the philadelphia meeting? | 14:43 |
| mkoderer | margaret__: nope | 14:44 |
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| aveiga | margaret__: what did you want to discusss about it? | 14:44 |
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| margaret__ | I haven't looked at the etherpad - but do we have an agenda or work activity? | 14:44 |
| margaret__ | Curious if I should show up or not based on the agenda | 14:44 |
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| aveiga | we don't yet, since it's a limited attendance and we were waiting to see if enough of us would be there to warrant a session | 14:45 |
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| aveiga | signups only opened last week | 14:45 |
| mkoderer | aveiga: could you paste a link | 14:45 |
| aveiga | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PHL-ops-meetup | 14:45 |
| margaret__ | how will we know if enough folks are interested in the telcowg from the sign up? | 14:46 |
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| aveiga | margaret__: I'm not sure which metric sgordon was planning to use | 14:46 |
| margaret__ | actually if you look at the meetup - there is an agenda and folks vote on topics they are interested in. | 14:47 |
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| margaret__ | We could put a topic like - telco WG session (I think) | 14:48 |
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| mkoderer | it's sometimes hard to get travel approvals within telcos ;) | 14:48 |
| mkoderer | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PHL-ops-meetup | 14:49 |
| margaret__ | oh - so you don't think we will get enough folks. just AT&T, Comcast and maybe VZ... | 14:49 |
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| mkoderer | that could be an issue | 14:50 |
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| mkoderer | we might think about a virtual meetup for the next time | 14:50 |
| margaret__ | ok was just curious. | 14:50 |
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| mkoderer | ok folks so please have a look to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PHL-ops-meetup and add your name :) | 14:51 |
| vks | mkoderer, so its done u will be sending the mail on use case? | 14:51 |
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| mkoderer | vks: which topic are you referring to? | 14:52 |
| margaret__ | actually someone started the telco WG and there are 4 folks who are interested... | 14:52 |
| mkoderer | vks: ha? yep I will inform the least if it reaches a draft state | 14:52 |
| aveiga | margaret__: yes, and sgordon also volunteered to moderate a session if you scroll down | 14:52 |
| mkoderer | s/least/list/ | 14:53 |
| mkoderer | ok folks.. I think we are done so far | 14:54 |
| vks | mkoderer, did i missed something? :) I was abut nfv use case to advertise | 14:54 |
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| mkoderer | vks: yep, we can try to discuss them in the ML | 14:56 |
| mkoderer | vks: I will add a review and bring it to the ML | 14:56 |
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| mkoderer | and we can discuss there how to process | 14:56 |
| vks | ok that would be grt | 14:56 |
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| mkoderer | vks: all right | 14:57 |
| mkoderer | so thanks everybody | 14:57 |
| mkoderer | #endmeeting | 14:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 28 14:57:32 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:57 |
| beagles | cheers | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-01-28-14.00.html | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-01-28-14.00.txt | 14:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-01-28-14.00.log.html | 14:57 |
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| sgordon | im foolish like that :) | 14:58 |
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| sgordon | carol and a few others will be there to assist with facilitating as well if needed | 14:58 |
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| mkoderer | sgordon: oh the meeting already ended | 14:59 |
| sgordon | yeah i knoiw | 14:59 |
| sgordon | sorry i rolled in from the airport about halfway through :) | 14:59 |
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| mkoderer | :) | 15:00 |
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| Swami | hi dvr folks | 15:00 |
| Swami | #startmeeting distributed-virtual-router | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 28 15:00:40 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Swami. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'distributed_virtual_router' | 15:00 |
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| Swami | #topic agenda | 15:01 |
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| Swami | 1. Bug review | 15:01 |
| Swami | 2. How to get to stable DVR tempest failure rate | 15:02 |
| sc68cal | o/ | 15:02 |
| Swami | 3. Current backlog items that are in progress | 15:02 |
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| Swami | #topic Announcement | 15:03 |
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| Swami | Today's meeting will be for just 30 minutes. So we have a hard stop at 15.30 | 15:03 |
| Swami | #topic Bug review/scrum | 15:04 |
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| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=l3-dvr-backlog | 15:04 |
| Swami | The link provides the dvr releated bugs. | 15:04 |
| Swami | Right now there are 27 bugs in the list | 15:05 |
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| Swami | Out of which 5 bugs have been already addressed and fix committed | 15:06 |
| Swami | There are 5 highs in the list which we will discuss first and then move on to the mediums. | 15:07 |
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| Swami | Bug number #1369721 - Manual Move | 15:08 |
| Swami | This bug has two patches, one was merged and the other one is currently in progress under review. | 15:09 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122024/ | 15:09 |
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| Swami | patch under review. | 15:09 |
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| Swami | I think it is under good shape and will not have any problems going in. | 15:10 |
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| Swami | The next one in the highs is #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1374473 | 15:11 |
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| Swami | This bug also has a patch up for review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142674/ | 15:11 |
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| Swami | this bug also has additional patches that addresses some issues with multiple networks. | 15:12 |
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| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/143567/9 | 15:12 |
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| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/143736/ | 15:13 |
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| Swami | There are some additional changes that are required on the agent side and we are waiting for the FIP Namespace patch to go in #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145565/ | 15:14 |
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| Swami | The next bug is #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1394043 | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: Do you think any of these bugs are more important than getting a voting dvr job in the gate? | 15:15 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: I would prefer voting to go in first. | 15:16 |
| * carl_baldwin wonders if we should file a critical bug that the job is not yet deemed reliable enough to vote. | 15:16 | |
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| Swami | These bugs are a result of dvr job non-voting in the gate | 15:16 |
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| carl_baldwin | Swami: Some of these bugs may address issues related to reliability. However, many of them are known issues that do not manifest themselves in the dvr job. | 15:16 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: Yes, you are right. | 15:17 |
| Swami | Most of the bugs here can be only seen in multi node setup and not in a single node setup. | 15:17 |
| Swami | But in the dvr gate job we are not handling any multinode scenario and still we see more instability issues. | 15:17 |
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| Swami | In most cases in the dvr gate job we see the connection to the VM times out or ssh issue. | 15:18 |
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| Swami | We need to really identify the base test in dvr that is failing when compared to the core-neutron jobs | 15:19 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: Do we have some data to mine to help us get that? | 15:20 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: Is there a way to identify the actual test that is failing in the dvr job and not failing in the core job. | 15:20 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: I think we both have the same question. | 15:20 |
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| carl_baldwin | Swami: It is a good question. I’m not sure of the answer. | 15:21 |
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| Rajeev | it would be really helpful if we could get participation from folks in the community that have expertise in the test area. | 15:22 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: The reason I ask is, once we identify the most vulnerable test that is failing, then we ca try to add more sub test cases on those areas to figure out if that is a realy dvr issue, timing issue or something else. | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | The infra guys may have some ideas. armax may also have some ideas. | 15:23 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: Can we have a meeting to discuss about this issue and how to go forward. | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | I think the thread between Adolfo, mrsmith, et al. is on the right track. | 15:23 |
| Swami | We definitely need some mentors from the infra team. | 15:23 |
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| carl_baldwin | Swami: Yes, let’s get something set up when we have a critical mass. | 15:24 |
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| Swami | carl_baldwin: Ok, that would help to speed up the process. | 15:24 |
| fredy_n | Hi, would you have a pointer to existing DVR test cases? | 15:24 |
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| carl_baldwin | fredy_n: There is a tempest test in the gate which enables dvr routers, it is non-voting at the moment. There are also some functional tests in the test_l3_agent.py file but only a basic set at the moment. | 15:26 |
| Swami | fredy_n: check-tempest-dsvm-neutron-dvr this is the tempest test suite that runs the dvr non-voting job | 15:27 |
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| fredy_n | carl/swami: Thanks, I'll have a look | 15:27 |
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| Swami | fredy_n: thanks | 15:28 |
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| carl_baldwin | Swami: Are you taking the action to move this forward? Or, should I ask on the email thread? | 15:28 |
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| Swami | carl_baldwin: I will take the necessary action to work on this. | 15:28 |
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| Swami | carl_baldwin: But what do you suggest, do we get help from the community infra team. | 15:29 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: I think they could be a good resource. | 15:30 |
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| carl_baldwin | … as much as they’re available to help. | 15:30 |
| Swami | #action Swami to work with the dvr team and infra team to find out the issues with the dvr job and fix it. | 15:30 |
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| Swami | Moving on with other bugs. | 15:32 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1411883 | 15:32 |
| Swami | This is another bug with high priority. | 15:32 |
| Swami | Patch is up for review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149143/ | 15:33 |
| Swami | The next bug in the list is | 15:33 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1413630 | 15:33 |
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| Swami | This one also has a patch for review. | 15:33 |
| Swami | I do have some issues with this patch. | 15:33 |
| Swami | If anyone here is a "db" expert can help me out. | 15:34 |
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| Swami | For some reason the router-binding with the agent cannot be deleted in the way this patch is handled. I do see a "DELETE" query send out, but no action. | 15:35 |
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| Swami | There are couple of other medium bugs that are all in progress. | 15:37 |
| Swami | The DVR-HA work is in progress and most of the patches are up for review. | 15:37 |
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| Swami | Also the functional test for DVR-HA will be posted soon. | 15:38 |
| Swami | Ok, that's all I had for now. | 15:38 |
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| Swami | So for the action item, I will work with the DVR team and the infra team to figure out how we can address the dvr job failures | 15:39 |
| Swami | Thanks everyone for joining the meeting. | 15:39 |
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| Swami | See you all next week. | 15:39 |
| Swami | #endmeeting | 15:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 28 15:40:03 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2015/distributed_virtual_router.2015-01-28-15.00.html | 15:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2015/distributed_virtual_router.2015-01-28-15.00.txt | 15:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2015/distributed_virtual_router.2015-01-28-15.00.log.html | 15:40 |
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| rkukura | hi ML2’ers! | 15:59 |
| Sukhdev | Hello | 15:59 |
| moshele | hi | 15:59 |
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| vhoward | hey | 16:00 |
| manishg | hi | 16:00 |
| Sukhdev | lets give a sec for others to join in | 16:00 |
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| banix | Hi | 16:01 |
| shivharis | hi | 16:01 |
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| Sukhdev | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 28 16:01:40 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:01 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Agenda | 16:01 |
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| Sukhdev | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_January_28.2C_2015 | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Announcements | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | Kilo-2 is next Thursday | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | if you need anything to get into K2, you may want to push your patches | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | I do not have any other announcement - anybody wants to announce anything? | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: ML2 Drivers decomposition discussion | 16:04 |
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| Sukhdev | Drivers/Plugin decomposition is a hot topic these days | 16:04 |
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| sadasu | is there a BP/bug to make changes in devstack to pull changes from external stackforge repo? | 16:05 |
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| Sukhdev | sadasu: Not that I am aware of | 16:05 |
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| Sukhdev | there are multiple ways to deal with pulling the code from stackforge | 16:05 |
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| Sukhdev | I am trying to figure out it as well - getting closer, but, not there yet | 16:06 |
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| banix | Anyone not using StackForge for their code? | 16:06 |
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| sadasu | Sukhdev: can you share what you have so far? | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev | banix: yes - several examples now | 16:06 |
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| banix | Sukhdev what are they? | 16:07 |
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| banix | I may get disconnected shortly. My apologies in advance | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | So, one way is to include the depandancy in the requirements.txt file - | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | This is the way I am trying to make it work - | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | See my patch here - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148749/ | 16:08 |
| sadasu | Sukhdev: I think that has to be done | 16:08 |
| banix | Ok thx | 16:08 |
| Sukhdev | sadasu: the second way (most of the early adapters are doing) is to manually install it | 16:09 |
| shivharis | i assume you are talking about the neutron requirements.txt | 16:09 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: no | 16:09 |
| shivharis | ok, then how does one know in the first place which requirements.txt is to be used | 16:09 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: This is new requirements file which goes into the driver/plugin's local directory - see on my patch as example | 16:09 |
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| shivharis | chicken/egg stuff | 16:10 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: How so? | 16:10 |
| shivharis | how does one know in the first place Arista's requirements.txt needs to be used to pull Aristia MD | 16:11 |
| shivharis | which happens to have the requirements.tx | 16:11 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: good question | 16:11 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: The idea (the way I understand it ) is that who ever wants to deploy Arista driver will use it | 16:12 |
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| shivharis | I think this is where the devstack magic needs to happen | 16:12 |
| shivharis | or some other deployment tool | 16:12 |
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| rkukura | My undestanding was that these requirements.txt files were for human consumption, and not used automatically. But I could have missed something. | 16:13 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: I am not aware of anybody working on anything related to devstack for this | 16:13 |
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| sadasu | rkukura: correct. But, we could leverage that for devstack | 16:13 |
| shivharis | i am also stuck at this place. I have done the split.sh etc | 16:14 |
| shivharis | i think armax just joined, Hi armax!! | 16:14 |
| sadasu | Sukhdev: the line in your requirements.txt does not have an explicit stackforge pointer | 16:14 |
| pmalik | Having the same issue since two days ago. Seems to only affect clean installations. | 16:14 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: can you elaborate | 16:14 |
| Sukhdev | sadasu: ah there is a trick to that | 16:14 |
| sadasu | is that going to come later, or is that an implicit assumption that it is in Stackforge? | 16:14 |
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| Sukhdev | sadasu: So, here is how this will work - | 16:15 |
| armax | rkukura: it can be both | 16:15 |
| armax | HenryG is going to work on a devstack patch that can be used by both the CI or developers if needed | 16:15 |
| Sukhdev | we have pro here - I will let him explain | 16:15 |
| shivharis | armax: how does the mech driver get pulled in along side neutron, can you please describe | 16:16 |
| armax | shivharis: in which context? | 16:16 |
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| HenryG | Well, maybe not me personally. I have minions :) | 16:16 |
| Sukhdev | HenryG: any ETA? | 16:17 |
| shivharis | we were debating to fiugure out the process of pulling in MD from stackforge after neutron has been pulled in | 16:17 |
| HenryG | Sukhdev: not yet, can you ping me in a day or two? | 16:18 |
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| shivharis | appears that something like devstack chnage is necessary | 16:18 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: yes to make your CI work | 16:18 |
| armax | shivharis: there are a few altenatives…but the MD might not necessarily be in stackforge | 16:18 |
| sadasu | Sukhdev: exactly | 16:19 |
| shivharis | armax: what are these alternatives | 16:19 |
| shivharis | armax: agreeed that MD may not be in stackforge | 16:19 |
| armax | shivharis: HenryG and I had a similar discussion in channel a couple of days ago…in a nutshell…if you’re thinking about CI environments that are based on devstack..you can either do your trick out of band | 16:19 |
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| armax | shivharis: and this mean install whatever dependency required before doing the stack.sh process | 16:19 |
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| armax | however, another alternative (especially helpful for the developers who use DevStack) would be to add a hook that install the needed dependency on their behalf | 16:20 |
| armax | HenryG was going to put something together to this aim | 16:20 |
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| armax | HenryG: did I say that correctly? | 16:21 |
| HenryG | Right | 16:21 |
| HenryG | And it will only be for those MDs that provide a requirements.txt | 16:21 |
| rkukura | can the install be done via local.conf? | 16:21 |
| HenryG | ODL doesn't, for example | 16:21 |
| Sukhdev | HenryG: How do I tie MD requirements.txt with the one with devstack? | 16:21 |
| HenryG | rkukura: in the local.conf you just specify the MD(s) | 16:22 |
| shivharis | armax: cool, i get th idea that is what i mentioned in the meeting before but wanted some confirmation | 16:22 |
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| armax | shivharis: ok | 16:22 |
| rkukura | HenryG: The local.conf needs to configure mechanism_drivers for ML2. Can it also pull in needed libraries? | 16:23 |
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| moshele | I used devstack externally-hosted-plugins http://docs.openstack.org/developer/devstack/plugins.html#externally-hosted-plugins | 16:23 |
| moshele | and it is working in networking-mlnx | 16:24 |
| HenryG | Sukhdev: for example you would put yours in neutron/plugins/ml2/drivers/arista/requirements.txt | 16:24 |
| armax | moshele: that’s another possibility | 16:24 |
| armax | going back to my point…if we can rather live without touching DevStack at all I think it would be preferable | 16:25 |
| HenryG | the patch to devstack would look for requirements.txt in the dir for the MD(s) configured, and install the reqs | 16:25 |
| Sukhdev | HenryG: that is what my understanding is - thanks for clarification | 16:25 |
| HenryG | armax: I agree, and would not be surprised if the proposed patch is not approved | 16:26 |
| shivharis | HenryG: but before it can even read the requirements.txt is needs to be pulled fisrt | 16:26 |
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| shivharis | I have a horrible question: can neutron be in requiremnets.txt of the MD? | 16:27 |
| Sukhdev | HenryG: if the patch does not make it, then CI's can install dependencies prior to stack.sh as armax mentioned | 16:28 |
| HenryG | shivharis: Yuck :) | 16:28 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis::-) | 16:28 |
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| HenryG | Sukhdev: yup | 16:28 |
| armax | shivharis: yes, it can | 16:28 |
| armax | and no, it’s not a horrible question | 16:28 |
| Sukhdev | HenryG: In fact, I am manually testing it this way | 16:28 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis, armax : why would one want to do it? | 16:29 |
| shivharis | armax: in fact it can be a possible deployment model, needs more thought though | 16:29 |
| armax | do what? | 16:29 |
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| armax | add neutron as a depedency for the MD library? | 16:29 |
| Sukhdev | include neutron as dependancy into MD's requirements.txt | 16:29 |
| Sukhdev | armax:correct | 16:30 |
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| rkukura | I suggest we avoid confusion by keeping the term “MD” or “Mechanism Driver” to mean the (usually in-tree) python entrypoint registered with ML2 in the mechanism_drivers config, and refer to the external library using some other term or phrase. | 16:30 |
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| Sukhdev | armax: I can see stackforge side will need neutron as depenancy - but, not the neutron side of MD | 16:30 |
| armax | Sukhdev: the vendor library may depend on neutron, and in most cases it does | 16:30 |
| armax | the vendor integration lives within neutron so it the dependency is implicit | 16:31 |
| Sukhdev | armax: correct - that means the vendor side will have neutron dependancy not the MD in the tree, isn't it? | 16:31 |
| armax | Sukhdev: correct | 16:32 |
| Sukhdev | armax: I do not think shivharis was talking about that - that is why HenryG went Yuck :-) | 16:33 |
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| shivharis | yup, actually i was thinking of situations where i could potentially use neutron without the rest of openstack ! | 16:34 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: I am a bit lost on your use case | 16:35 |
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| shivharis | Sukhdev: we can take it up later | 16:35 |
| Sukhdev | anyways - if you want to test without devstack, it is very easy | 16:35 |
| Sukhdev | I am installing the depenendancy ahead of time - there are few ways to do it | 16:36 |
| Sukhdev | pip install -e <git- for stackforge> | 16:36 |
| Sukhdev | or python setup.py install (useful if you are using debugger and want to run pdb from virtual environment) | 16:37 |
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| Sukhdev | Once all said and done, you will register your package (e.g. networking_arista) in the python | 16:38 |
| Sukhdev | at that point - you (or your customers) can simply execute pip install networking_arista - like any other install and off you go | 16:39 |
| sadasu | Sukhdev: thanks for outlining the options | 16:40 |
| Sukhdev | for example - I asked mestery yesterday - they have not registered the networking_odl yet | 16:40 |
| Sukhdev | he mentioned once they release it they will register it and hence it becomes available to public | 16:41 |
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| Sukhdev | Hope this makes sens | 16:41 |
| moshele | I have question regarding policy.json, currently I duplicate to the netowrking-mlnx repository to pass jenkins | 16:41 |
| Sukhdev | Anything else on this decomposition stuff? | 16:41 |
| shivharis | what is this "registered" step? | 16:42 |
| moshele | any workaround for this | 16:42 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: pip register <your stuff> - go ask google uncle, he will tell you everything :-):-) | 16:42 |
| Sukhdev | moshele: I am seeing it as well - | 16:43 |
| shivharis | ah ok, thanks | 16:43 |
| manishg | Sukhdev: timecheck. 8:45 | 16:43 |
| Sukhdev | moshele: If you figure out a way around, I will be interested | 16:44 |
| Sukhdev | manishg: Thanks for reminder sorry | 16:44 |
| Sukhdev | lets move on | 16:44 |
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| moshele | no I have not I am asking if there is workaround | 16:44 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: ML2 sync and taks flow update | 16:44 |
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| manishg | for this one I had a question for armax | 16:45 |
| Sukhdev | I wanted to pick this topic from where we left last time | 16:45 |
| manishg | there was a snippet posted about how this can be done but further work was put on holding pending the API/ RPC split. | 16:45 |
| Sukhdev | manishg: I think armax is gone | 16:45 |
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| manishg | ok. | 16:46 |
| manishg | so Angus Lees had put this patch out - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136950/ | 16:46 |
| Sukhdev | manishg: can you elaborate please | 16:46 |
| manishg | In Paris summit it was mentioned (and also work got started in mid-cycle) about API/ RPC split. | 16:47 |
| manishg | of neutron. That is , in neutron itself the flow will be divided such that API process will be separate from the RPC worker processes. | 16:47 |
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| manishg | The idea is that API should deal with validity and commit to db and the rest of the work (which may require talking to devices and other blocking tasks) could be handled by RPC workers. | 16:48 |
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| Sukhdev | manishg: so, while the back-ends are working, nothing goes into DB or some intermediate state goes into DB? | 16:49 |
| manishg | Something to this effect. If this is what's being accomplished in kilo timeframe then this might suffice and we maybe able to use TF at that level itself. | 16:49 |
| manishg | There was talk about maintaining states. And the workers will take appropriate measure to take the right action based on the states. | 16:50 |
| shivharis | where is this being discussed | 16:51 |
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| shivharis | i would like to participate | 16:51 |
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| manishg | This was discussed in Paris as well in midcycle. I was trying to get more information this week but haven't been able to . I'll try to get it today. | 16:51 |
| Sukhdev | manishg: Can I keep this on the agenda for next week and can you provide further update on this topic - we are running out of time today | 16:52 |
| rkukura | shivharis: I think the idea is to resume this discussion with the hope of having a plan for the L summit. | 16:52 |
| manishg | There were pretty long sessions to discuss the above split in Paris. | 16:52 |
| manishg | Sukhdev: sure. | 16:52 |
| shivharis | the problem i see here, is that the db cannot be trusted if the rpc fails | 16:52 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: that is why intermediate state | 16:53 |
| manishg | shivharis: the state of db could be "CREATING" e.g. | 16:53 |
| Sukhdev | Folks, can we table this and pick it up next week - when we have some more time? | 16:53 |
| manishg | Sukhdev: yeah, let's move on | 16:53 |
| Sukhdev | I would like to cover the bugs, if we can | 16:53 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Bugs | 16:53 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: do you want to cover the new bug | 16:54 |
| shivharis | i would like to discuss if the db can also be manipulated as part of the task ( i need to understand why not) | 16:54 |
| Sukhdev | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1415526 | 16:54 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: lets cover it next week | 16:54 |
| rkukura | I filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1415526 for the issue that the HPB patches have been hitting in the DVR tempest tests. | 16:54 |
| rkukura | I’ve got two different fixes, and will post a summary/plan/question to openstack-dev later today. | 16:55 |
| shivharis | i would like to see high bugs addressed by next week's k2 (if possible) | 16:55 |
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| rkukura | This is closely related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1367391, but much easier to fix (or work around). | 16:56 |
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| rkukura | I also hope to have a fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1367391 in review by kilo-2, but am not expecting it to merge in time. | 16:57 |
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| shivharis | rkukura: will these make it to k2? | 16:57 |
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| rkukura | I’m hoping the fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1415526 and the 2 remaining HBP patches can be merged for kilo-2. | 16:57 |
| rkukura | HPB | 16:57 |
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| shivharis | rkukura: thanks | 16:58 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: looks like you are going to be busy this week :-) | 16:58 |
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| rkukura | Hard part is coming up with a UT for https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1415526. | 16:58 |
| shivharis | all: can you please update your bugs with a short message as to where we are on the bug (all bugs) | 16:58 |
| * Sukhdev 1 min | 16:59 | |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Open Discussion | 16:59 |
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| shivharis | thats all from me | 16:59 |
| Sukhdev | anything quick ? | 16:59 |
| manishg | Sukhdev: for the wiki tracking BP etc. can we wipe out R1/R2 C1/C2 etc. ? do we need it? | 16:59 |
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| Sukhdev | manishg: yes, | 17:00 |
| manishg | all we need is a list. | 17:00 |
| manishg | ok. thx. | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | and also keep only the BPs that we are tracking for Kilo | 17:00 |
| manishg | yep | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | anything else folks - we are out of time | 17:01 |
| Sukhdev | Thanks everybody - great discussion | 17:01 |
| manishg | thanks. bye. | 17:01 |
| banix | bye | 17:01 |
| Sukhdev | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
| rkukura | bye | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 28 17:01:24 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-01-28-16.01.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-01-28-16.01.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-01-28-16.01.log.html | 17:01 |
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| Kiall | #startmeeting Designate | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 28 17:01:35 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Kiall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:01 |
| shivharis | thanks Sukhdev, bye all | 17:01 |
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| Kiall | Heya - Who's about? | 17:01 |
| vinod | o/ | 17:01 |
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| timsim | o/ | 17:02 |
| Kiall | mugsie just got nabbed by a phonecall, will be along in a minute.. | 17:02 |
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| Kiall | rjrjr_ - about? | 17:02 |
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| rjrjr_ | o/ | 17:02 |
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| Kiall | Okay - Lets get started... | 17:02 |
| Kiall | #topic Kilo Release Status (kiall - recurring) | 17:02 |
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| Kiall | #link https://launchpad.net/designate/+milestone/kilo-2 | 17:03 |
| Kiall | k2 is Feb 5th.. 7/8 days | 17:03 |
| Kiall | Lot's of bugs still open, if you have one, and it's not going to land in k2, can we move them to k3 please? | 17:03 |
| Kiall | (I started a few mins ago, but got distracted ;)) | 17:04 |
| Kiall | Okay - Other than that, we have the PM cache stuff rjrjr_is working on - The review is still marked WIP, is that intentional rjrjr? | 17:04 |
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| mugsie | o/ | 17:05 |
| rjrjr_ | correct. unit tests still pass (sqlalchemy) but i am working on getting the correct status out of mdns for create/delete. | 17:05 |
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| Kiall | rjrjr_: K, will keep an eye out for another patchset on that one :) | 17:05 |
| Kiall | Okay - Other than that, k2 is starting to shape up.. So, let's move on! | 17:06 |
| Kiall | #topic Pools - Where are we? (kiall - recurring) | 17:06 |
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| rjrjr_ | i'd also like to know if 'force_check' is the right approach. i posted in the main chat about it. | 17:06 |
| Kiall | I think we already have the answer to this - and we can remove the recurring topic at this stage, thoughts? | 17:07 |
| mugsie | i think so | 17:07 |
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| vinod | +1 to remove the recurring topic of pools | 17:07 |
| Kiall | K - Consider it gone.. :) | 17:07 |
| timsim | Yep | 17:07 |
| Kiall | #topic #toipic | 17:08 |
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| Kiall | gah. | 17:08 |
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| Kiall | #topic Mid-Cycle Review (kiall) | 17:08 |
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| Kiall | there we go ;) | 17:08 |
| Kiall | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/designate-mid-cycle-jan-2015 | 17:08 |
| Kiall | So - Just wanted to figure out if we've left anything dangling after the mid-cycle.. | 17:08 |
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| Kiall | i.e. things we need to follow up on etc? | 17:09 |
| timsim | Kinda curious where we are with the Pools->DB stuff. | 17:09 |
| vinod | IXFR and backup/restore | 17:09 |
| Kiall | I know we've got the pools API stuff in progress, I'm hoping to find time to finish my piece of that this week.. But after being away from the office for 2 weeks it's hard ;) | 17:09 |
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| timsim | Cool | 17:10 |
| Kiall | vinod: yes, IXFR and few topics were dropped :) rjrjr_, did you manage to finish that spec? (All good if you didn;t) | 17:10 |
| Kiall | didn't* | 17:10 |
| rjrjr_ | no | 17:10 |
| mugsie | batch actions / ns update as well | 17:11 |
| Kiall | Okay, whenever you do, drop it on the agenda for the next meet :) | 17:11 |
| Kiall | mugsie: Yep, and perf/testing/API microversions :) I was more hoping for stuff that we started, but left unfinished ;) | 17:11 |
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| Kiall | I'll take that as a now.. From my memory, we have the Pools Config -> DB stuff, and the Agent stuff we landed. | 17:13 |
| Kiall | Any others? | 17:13 |
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| Kiall | The start of the agent stuff we landed* | 17:13 |
| timsim | I don't think so. | 17:13 |
| mugsie | nothing - the agent is tied up waiting for targets | 17:13 |
| mugsie | which is part of the API->DB | 17:13 |
| timsim | Yeah, the Pool Manager backend for it. | 17:13 |
| mugsie | yeah | 17:14 |
| Kiall | KK.. | 17:14 |
| Kiall | I'll move on so ;) | 17:14 |
| Kiall | #topic Next Sprint? | 17:14 |
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| Kiall | link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/designate-sprints | 17:14 |
| Kiall | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/designate-sprints | 17:14 |
| Kiall | I figure we should pick+plan for the next monthly sprint by figuring out the what and when early.. | 17:15 |
| Kiall | My suggestion is to do a Docs sprint - thoughts? | 17:15 |
| mugsie | yup | 17:15 |
| timsim | Absolutely. | 17:15 |
| mugsie | That was part of what we talked about on the thursday | 17:15 |
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| mugsie | we need docs, badly | 17:15 |
| vinod | +1 on docs | 17:16 |
| Kiall | Cool :) I missed that since I was gone at that point ;) I started a etherpad for it, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/designate-documentation-sprint | 17:16 |
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| Kiall | Fill in any areas you think would be useful.. | 17:16 |
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| Kiall | The last sprint was Jan 16th from memory - Should we pick a similar-ish date for the next? | 17:16 |
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| mugsie | yeah, mid month sounds good | 17:17 |
| timsim | Sure, why not. After k2 I suppose | 17:17 |
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| rjrjr_ | +1 | 17:17 |
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| Kiall | So, say the 13th then? | 17:18 |
| Kiall | Friday the 13th that is ;) | 17:18 |
| timsim | Seems good. That's the day before Valentine's Day here (don't know if you guys celebrate the patron saint of overpriced greeting cards, flowers and chocolates) | 17:19 |
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| timsim | If anyone is going out of town with a significant other they may miss. Probably not a concern though. | 17:19 |
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| mugsie | timsim: crass consumerism? we have that here 100% ;) | 17:20 |
| timsim | Ah, too bad lol. | 17:20 |
| Kiall | Okay - Unless I hear shouting from someone who's unable to attend, we'll call it the 13th.. Ideally afternoon Ireland, Morning Texas, but exact times can be figured out closer to the day ;) | 17:20 |
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| Kiall | Sorry - Distracted for a sec.. Moving on since we're settled :) | 17:21 |
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| Kiall | #topic Strawman: Set a McCabe complexity threshold | 17:21 |
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| Kiall | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149885/ | 17:22 |
| Kiall | #link http://logs.openstack.org/85/149885/1/check/gate-designate-pep8/de167ea/console.html#_2015-01-25_17_15_51_132 | 17:22 |
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| Kiall | So - rjrjr_ was the one who suggested this at the mid-cycle, so figured I'd throw it out there and see what people think? | 17:22 |
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| Kiall | I'm personally not a fan of yet anything thing to -1 me ;) | 17:22 |
| timsim | I don't know about voting, but it'd be a nice thing to keep track of for new patches. | 17:23 |
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| Kiall | With our current code - and a threshold of 10 - we have ~10 places where we exceed the limit.. | 17:23 |
| Kiall | timsim: I'm not sure I can make it non-voting to be honest... | 17:23 |
| Kiall | It's ran as part of the pep8/flake8 job.. So can't easily pick+choose what votes from that | 17:24 |
| mugsie | ah | 17:24 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: thoughts, since you brought it up? :D | 17:24 |
| timsim | Ah. Well, maybe we make it a point to fix the more problematic ones (bugs?) and run it periodically for new things on our own and file more for things that have gotten out of hand? | 17:24 |
| mugsie | hum, personally I dislike metrics like ^ when they are a used in a hard rule type of way | 17:24 |
| rjrjr_ | one way or another, i have to address this to get designate through our internal processes. | 17:25 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: yea, it would be interesting to see if ^ results line up with what your tooling is complaining about :) | 17:25 |
| rjrjr_ | but, it is not an immediate thing. | 17:25 |
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| rjrjr_ | that and code coverage are the big 2. | 17:25 |
| Kiall | I think I agree with timsim.. Something we run periodically outside the gate + address outliers.. | 17:25 |
| rjrjr_ | we addressed that at the last sprint mostly. | 17:26 |
| Kiall | started to anyway :) | 17:26 |
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| rjrjr_ | in the end, it will make for easier to read code, hopefully. | 17:26 |
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| Kiall | rjrjr_: yea, I looked at each of the methods it highlighed - some were mine - and I still got confused ;) | 17:27 |
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| Kiall | But - I'm not convinced about making it a hard rule in the gate.. | 17:27 |
| rjrjr_ | i think if we fix the ones it complains about, we can make it a rule later. | 17:28 |
| rjrjr_ | and if we decide we need the complexity, then we don't need to make it a hard rule. | 17:28 |
| timsim | Yeah I don't like that. You could do that and make it something ridiculously high, but otherwise, eh. | 17:28 |
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| rjrjr_ | ultimately, the code problem is real. a value of 10 is reasonable. | 17:29 |
| Kiall | Yea, I'm not sold on it ever being a hard rule .. But I do see the value in the output it generates.. Not sure how I reconcile my two viewpoints on this ;) | 17:29 |
| Kiall | Anyway - Let's leave it, for now, as a guideline.. Each of those methods identified should be considered a bug, but the gate won't enforce 10 or less - for now.. Sound good? | 17:30 |
| mugsie | Kiall: set up a sonar isnatnce as a 3rd party build ? ;) | 17:30 |
| rjrjr_ | kiall: agreed. | 17:30 |
| Kiall | mugsie: go for it - tell me when your done ;) | 17:30 |
| timsim | Sounds good | 17:31 |
| Kiall | Ok - Moving on :) | 17:31 |
| Kiall | #topic Open Discussion | 17:31 |
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| rjrjr_ | mugsie: i can look into that. sonar is what we use in either case. | 17:31 |
| mugsie | I was half joking | 17:31 |
| mugsie | I did have it on my longer term plan to do | 17:31 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: I was kidding too :) BUT - I don't see any harm with having a public sonar instance chugging over the code | 17:31 |
| mugsie | but in the next month or i could look into it | 17:32 |
| rjrjr_ | it would help me be proactive instead of reactive. i'll look into it. | 17:32 |
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| mugsie | kk | 17:32 |
| Kiall | It's not going to be as useful as it would be for C/Java/.NET .. Cuz... Python, but I doub't it would be harmful ;) | 17:32 |
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| Kiall | dount* | 17:32 |
| Kiall | doubt* | 17:32 |
| Kiall | -_- | 17:32 |
| Kiall | Okay - Any other topics? | 17:32 |
| rjrjr_ | so, for the open discussion, just a comment | 17:33 |
| rjrjr_ | i am going to be workiing on our internal rollout for the next few weeks. i am juggling quite a bit right now. so, if it looks like i'm slow, it's just because i'm doing other work too. | 17:33 |
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| mugsie | rjrjr_: np | 17:34 |
| mugsie | I know how you feel ;) | 17:34 |
| Kiall | hah - no problem :) | 17:34 |
| timsim | Is there any way we can step up and help you out? | 17:34 |
| Kiall | ++ to ^ ;) | 17:34 |
| rjrjr_ | test, test, test. | 17:34 |
| rjrjr_ | once i have this mdns stuff worked out, we need to test. | 17:35 |
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| Kiall | Okay - Any other topics from anyone? I'm all out. | 17:36 |
| rjrjr_ | i'm thinking about a test_service_sqlalchemy.py, test_service_noop.py, and test_service_memcache.py for pool manager. thoughts? | 17:36 |
| rjrjr_ | or maybe just a _cache and _nocache since sqlalchemy and memcache should behave the same. | 17:37 |
| timsim | Should probably test that they do though. | 17:37 |
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| Kiall | rjrjr_: It sounds like 1 suite to me.. with the cache sensitive methods mocked in a few of the single tests | 17:37 |
| rjrjr_ | all the methods are cache sensitive. | 17:38 |
| rjrjr_ | we only have 4 public methods in pool_manager. | 17:38 |
| rjrjr_ | and i figured we'll want tests for the periodic_recovery and periodic_sync too. | 17:39 |
| rjrjr_ | but ultimately, all cache sensitive. | 17:39 |
| Kiall | Humm - Aren't we moving the cache pieces into only the update_status methods, rather than pre-creating etc? | 17:39 |
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| Kiall | (I'm probably forgetting something TBH - Been away for way too many hours already) | 17:39 |
| rjrjr_ | not that i'm aware. | 17:39 |
| Kiall | awake* | 17:39 |
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| Kiall | I think I'll need to eyeball the code again to be able to say ^ with any amount of confidence ;) Let's leave it as whatever you have already for now and can change later if needs be? | 17:40 |
| rjrjr_ | unless we want the backend drivers calling update_status. right now, we are making calls to the backend drivers. | 17:40 |
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| rjrjr_ | but we decided that was a bad approach last week. | 17:41 |
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| Kiall | Yea, I think I remember - too tired to be able to think back that far though ;) | 17:42 |
| rjrjr_ | okay. i'll get the code working and we can decide then. | 17:42 |
| Kiall | ++ | 17:42 |
| Kiall | Okay, unless anyone else has something.. Let's call it a day! | 17:42 |
| timsim | I thought it was more like, create the cache entries when you're creating/updating/deleting, but if they don't create it's cool because each piece that uses them can handle them not being there. | 17:42 |
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| Kiall | or not ;) | 17:42 |
| rjrjr_ | timsim, correct. | 17:43 |
| timsim | Alright, I'm good then :P | 17:43 |
| rjrjr_ | all i was suggesting was a separate suite for each cache driver. | 17:43 |
| rjrjr_ | or one suite with all the test methods x3. | 17:43 |
| Kiall | I think there's a seperate test suite for each driver, but only for the driver code rather than testing the driver 3 times through pool manager - Maybe that's where we got out of sync? ;) | 17:44 |
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| rjrjr_ | each driver has a test. but a noop driver will behave different than the memcache and sqlalchemy driver. | 17:45 |
| rjrjr_ | inside pool manager. | 17:45 |
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| rjrjr_ | should have wrote 'each driver has a test suite of their own'. | 17:46 |
| Kiall | I'm starting to remember ;) You're making more sense to me now :) | 17:46 |
| rjrjr_ | how about this. i'll do what i want and everyone can -1 it if they don't like it. :) | 17:46 |
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| Kiall | lol - perfect. | 17:47 |
| timsim | Sounds good | 17:47 |
| rjrjr_ | i'm good then. | 17:47 |
| Kiall | Okay, let's call it a day then :) Thanks all! | 17:47 |
| Kiall | #endmeeting | 17:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:47 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 28 17:47:30 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-01-28-17.01.html | 17:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-01-28-17.01.txt | 17:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-01-28-17.01.log.html | 17:47 |
| mugsie | o/ | 17:47 |
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| SlickNik | #startmeeting trove | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 28 18:00:56 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:01 |
| annashen | o/ | 18:01 |
| dougshelley66 | o/ | 18:01 |
| vkmc | o/ | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | giving folks a few minutes to trickle in. | 18:01 |
| schang | o/ | 18:01 |
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| vgnbkr | o/ | 18:02 |
| peterstac | o/ | 18:02 |
| georgelorch | o/ | 18:02 |
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| nshah | o/ | 18:03 |
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| SlickNik | Meeting agenda at: | 18:04 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 18:04 |
| SlickNik | #topic Review #147908: Try to gain some consensus on how to resolve the issues itemized in final review comment. | 18:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review #147908: Try to gain some consensus on how to resolve the issues itemized in final review comment. (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:04 | |
| dougshelley66 | I added that item | 18:05 |
| SlickNik | dougshelley66: Want to give folks a quick overview on what this is about? | 18:05 |
| dougshelley66 | the review is about relocating the mysql datadir to somewhere other than the root of a volume | 18:05 |
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| dougshelley66 | which seems simple enough... | 18:05 |
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| dougshelley66 | however the change potentially affected compatabilityu | 18:06 |
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| dougshelley66 | so i went off to give it some more thought | 18:06 |
| bartash | o/ | 18:06 |
| dougshelley66 | over the weekend i posted some thoughts https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147908/ | 18:06 |
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| dougshelley66 | see the last reveiw comment | 18:06 |
| dougshelley66 | one question i had - does anyone know why the config.template is rendered on the task manager? | 18:07 |
| dougshelley66 | seems like it would be more natural to have the guest do it? | 18:07 |
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| SlickNik | dougshelley66: My guess is that this was done to keep the guest siimple and not have any template / rendering code on the guest. | 18:08 |
| vgnbkr | dougshelley66, +1 | 18:08 |
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| dougshelley66 | i also wondered what people thought about my point #1? | 18:10 |
| esmute | dougshelley66: is the purpose for this patch to have system folders like LOST+FOUND not appear as a database? If so, dont we have a way to configure this and ignore it? | 18:10 |
| vgnbkr | Having the configs rendered in the taskmanager also casued issues for replication. | 18:10 |
| dougshelley66 | no - it is because the presence of the lost+found dir in the mysql data dir is bad and breaks some things | 18:10 |
| dougshelley66 | georgelorch, could probably elaborate here | 18:10 |
| dougshelley66 | i believe the bug has a reference to a best practice article | 18:11 |
| dougshelley66 | the specific issue i hit was on resize after a restore, i beleive | 18:11 |
| georgelorch | MySQL will 'think' any dir in the data dir is a database | 18:11 |
| vgnbkr | In GTID mode, mysql won't come up with LOST+FOUND, even if trove "overlooks" it. | 18:11 |
| SlickNik | #link http://www.percona.com/files/white-papers/preventing-mysql-emergencies.pdf | 18:11 |
| esmute | GTID? | 18:11 |
| SlickNik | ^ from the bug | 18:11 |
| georgelorch | and a MySQL bestpractice is to never have your datadir be the root of a mount | 18:11 |
| dougshelley66 | esmute, GTID is the new mechanism used for replication | 18:12 |
| SlickNik | So it seems to me that we have two places we're trying to store this datadir value in, and that's proving to be an issue. | 18:12 |
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| dougshelley66 | SlickNik, https://bugs.launchpad.net/trove/+bug/1370646 | 18:12 |
| vgnbkr | I think the real issue is that it is the guest which best knows it's environment, trying to configure guest parameters on the taskmanager will continue to cause issues. | 18:13 |
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| SlickNik | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/trove/+bug/1370646 | 18:14 |
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| SlickNik | dougshelley66: So I don't think we're going to solve this issue during this meeting. Can we discuss this offline, and propose a recommendation on what a fix for this would look like? | 18:17 |
| SlickNik | dougshelley66: Seems like a problem that we should look into fixing. | 18:17 |
| dougshelley66 | SlickNik, sure - we could also kick it around in Seattle next week | 18:18 |
| SlickNik | Just need to understand the options we have for the fix, and the benefits and drawbacks of each. | 18:18 |
| SlickNik | That sounds like a plan. | 18:18 |
| SlickNik | I will pencil it in to the agenda so we don't forget. | 18:18 |
| dougshelley66 | thanks | 18:18 |
| SlickNik | Thank you (and Simon) for looking into this | 18:19 |
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| dougshelley66 | np | 18:19 |
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| SlickNik | #topic Open Discussion | 18:19 |
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| dougshelley66 | i have one item/request | 18:19 |
| SlickNik | dougshelley66: go for it. | 18:20 |
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| dougshelley66 | would there be some room in the Seattle agenda to add Scheduled Tasks, MariaDB and Metadata? | 18:20 |
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| dougshelley66 | sorry for the last minute notice :) | 18:21 |
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| SlickNik | dougshelley66: Yes — we have a free slot on the agenda, and I plan to add those to it. I'm also looking at juggling around a couple of other slots so we can tackle some more of these organic issues. | 18:22 |
| dougshelley66 | SlickNik, sounds good thx | 18:22 |
| georgelorch | SlickNik and team, unfortunately, due to the SuperBowl taking place here in AZ on Sunday, I'm not able to attend Seattle next week, but I will be hanging around irc all week and will be available for any discussion via Hangout/Skype/whatever if I can be of any assistance to the topic. | 18:22 |
| vgnbkr | o/ | 18:22 |
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| SlickNik | georgelorch: I'm looking to have a hangoutonair going so that remote folks can view / take part in what's going on. | 18:23 |
| georgelorch | SlickNik, that would be great! Thank you! | 18:23 |
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| SlickNik | georgelorch: Will keep folks posted on that as soon as I have it set up. | 18:23 |
| vkmc | SlickNik, +1 | 18:23 |
| vkmc | I was going to ask about it :) | 18:23 |
| vgnbkr | (that's my hand up for an open item, btw) | 18:23 |
| esmute | Go Hawks! :P | 18:23 |
| vkmc | thanks | 18:23 |
| SlickNik | vgnbkr: go for it | 18:24 |
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| SlickNik | #action SlickNik update the current agenda (TBD slot) with suggestions for new discussion items | 18:24 |
| vkmc | are you going to use etherpad to outline the sessions? if so... where are those going to be published? | 18:24 |
| vgnbkr | We will be posting a spec for the V2 replication stuff sometime this week. It would be good if anyone interested would have a look before next week. | 18:24 |
| SlickNik | so I don't lose track of it. | 18:24 |
| SlickNik | vgnbkr: Awesome. Can you send out a message in the IRC channel / dev list as a reminder to folks once it's posted please? | 18:25 |
| SlickNik | vkmc: The Sprint page has the schedule linked to the etherpad pages for the sessions | 18:26 |
| vgnbkr | SlickNik, sure | 18:26 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/TroveKiloSprint | 18:26 |
| vkmc | cool, thanks! | 18:26 |
| SlickNik | There's not much there at the moment, but I'm planning that folks (and me!) will put in a skeletal outline for each session to go over / keep track of what we're planning to discuss. | 18:27 |
| SlickNik | And then we can keep that updated with the items that come up during the actual discussions. | 18:27 |
| vgnbkr | Anywhere in the schedule you don't have a topic, just put "drinking". | 18:28 |
| georgelorch | +1 | 18:28 |
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| SlickNik | heh | 18:28 |
| * georgelorch needs to remember to refill the keg :) | 18:29 | |
| SlickNik | Oh, I have a topic for open discussion as well. | 18:29 |
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| SlickNik | We have a new member on our HP Trove team. | 18:29 |
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| SlickNik | ashleighfarnham just joined us, and is currently getting up to speed with things. | 18:29 |
| peterstac | welcome ashleighfarnham! | 18:30 |
| dougshelley66 | ashleighfarnham, Welcome! | 18:30 |
| ashleighfarnham | hi everyone! | 18:30 |
| vkmc | ashleighfarnham, welcome! :) | 18:30 |
| esmute | Hello ashleighfarnham! | 18:30 |
| SlickNik | I should say that ashleighfarnham is Ashleigh Farnham :) | 18:30 |
| SlickNik | (hope I spelled that correctly) | 18:30 |
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| SlickNik | From what I've seen, she's almost on her way to proposing her first patch, so you'll start seeing her name on gerrit soon as well! :) | 18:31 |
| SlickNik | Any other items for Open Discussion? | 18:32 |
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| esmute | Cant wait to see you guys again.. and meet new faces too :) | 18:33 |
| SlickNik | Ditto — Looking forward to next week! | 18:33 |
| dougshelley66 | Will we break for the Superbowl parade if the Hawks win? | 18:34 |
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| esmute | I think SlickNik has that added in the agenda | 18:34 |
| nshah | They are not winning :-) | 18:35 |
| esmute | Wednesday afternoonish.. i think | 18:35 |
| georgelorch | I'm just curious how the Patriots are going to cheat their way out of this one :D | 18:35 |
| SlickNik | Will send out more information on the -dev ML and will link it from the IRC channel and the wiki page as developments happen, so stay alert. | 18:35 |
| esmute | 24-10 Seahawks! | 18:35 |
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| nshah | Envy is the worst vice… 15 years of success and counting… Go Pats!!! :-) | 18:36 |
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| SlickNik | And on that note. | 18:36 |
| SlickNik | #endmeeting | 18:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 28 18:36:54 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-01-28-18.00.html | 18:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-01-28-18.00.txt | 18:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-01-28-18.00.log.html | 18:36 |
| SlickNik | Thanks all! | 18:36 |
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| blogan | #startmeeting octavia | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 28 20:00:13 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is blogan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: octavia)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:00 |
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| xgerman_ | o/ | 20:00 |
| a2hill | o/ | 20:00 |
| blogan | hello | 20:00 |
| TrevorV_ | ./ | 20:00 |
| barclaac | O/ | 20:00 |
| blogan | oh xgerman you're here! | 20:00 |
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| johnsom | o/ | 20:00 |
| jamiem | o/ | 20:00 |
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| xgerman_ | yep, I hate to miss this meeting :-0 | 20:01 |
| jorgem | o/ | 20:01 |
| blogan | good thing you're here then | 20:01 |
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| blogan | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Octavia/Weekly_Meeting_Agenda#Meeting_2015-01-28 | 20:01 |
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| blogan | i just added a short agenda for today | 20:02 |
| xgerman_ | awesome! | 20:02 |
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| johnsom | Thanks Brandon. I also updated the standup etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/octavia-weekly-standup | 20:02 |
| blogan | johnsom: thanks, i always forget about that | 20:03 |
| blogan | #topic progress reports | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "progress reports (Meeting topic: octavia)" | 20:03 | |
| jorgem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149789/ | 20:04 |
| blogan | i think gerrit has a good overview | 20:04 |
| blogan | any blockers though? | 20:04 |
| jorgem | Just need to unit test | 20:04 |
| jorgem | nope | 20:04 |
| jorgem | blocker: me slowly learning python | 20:04 |
| jorgem | :) | 20:04 |
| johnsom | I have made some slow progress on the controller worker. Splitting my time getting ready for the hack-a-thon and LBaaS V2 client work | 20:04 |
| a2hill | no progress from me for this week :/ | 20:04 |
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| johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/149801 | 20:04 |
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| johnsom | Min also has a review up: | 20:05 |
| johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/149802 | 20:05 |
| TrevorV_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126801/ | 20:05 |
| blogan | so i think the necessary items are queue produce, queue consumer, deploy worker, haproxy amphora driver, amphora api | 20:05 |
| TrevorV_ | Could use some more reviews on this as well | 20:05 |
| blogan | to get a simple end-to-end running | 20:05 |
| blogan | did i miss something in that list? | 20:05 |
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| xgerman_ | api manager + neutron driver | 20:06 |
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| johnsom | Do we have the code that goes into the amphora itself? | 20:06 |
| blogan | oh duh neutron driver lol | 20:06 |
| blogan | api manager = queue consumer | 20:06 |
| xgerman_ | dougwig's piece ;-) | 20:06 |
| jorgem | johnsom: Do you know if min's review is a WIP? | 20:06 |
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| blogan | yeah dougwig, any updates on that? | 20:07 |
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| TrevorV_ | johnsom, if you're asking about the amphoa API for modifying HA Proxy and such, then no, I'm working on that now | 20:07 |
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| mwang2 | the api is wip | 20:07 |
| TrevorV_ | amphora API*** | 20:07 |
| mwang2 | api doc v2.0 is wip | 20:07 |
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| blogan | mwang2: for neutron lbaas or octavia? | 20:07 |
| blogan | neutron lbaas right? | 20:07 |
| mwang2 | yes | 20:08 |
| mwang2 | the documentation is for lbaas | 20:08 |
| johnsom | I posted the health manager database work | 20:08 |
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| johnsom | I posted the link to Min's review that is... | 20:08 |
| blogan | ah okay | 20:08 |
| mwang2 | feel free to review it:) | 20:09 |
| blogan | will do | 20:09 |
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| blogan | okay looks like that is it for updates (until dougwig returns if he does) | 20:10 |
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| blogan | #topic HealthMixin in amphora driver | 20:10 |
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| bedis | ah | 20:10 |
| bedis | o/ | 20:10 |
| blogan | min this is what we discussed yesterday a bit | 20:10 |
| blogan | welcome bedis | 20:10 |
| xgerman_ | welcome | 20:10 |
| xgerman_ | can you please sum up the discussion | 20:11 |
| blogan | minwang2: you want to explain this? | 20:11 |
| blogan | or i can give a brief summary | 20:12 |
| TrevorV_ | blogan, her username is mwang2 | 20:12 |
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| TrevorV_ | not "minwang2" :D | 20:12 |
| blogan | min was confused, and so I am now as well, about how the HealthMixin is to be used by the healthmanager, or vice versa | 20:12 |
| blogan | TrevorV_: whoops, thanks | 20:12 |
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| TrevorV_ | np :) | 20:13 |
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| blogan | xgerman: you might be able to answer the confusion | 20:13 |
| xgerman_ | ok, so the plan was to use the healthmixin so the amphora driver didn't have to write to the DB directly | 20:13 |
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| xgerman_ | basically the amphora-driver will call the mixin and then the health-mamanger will update the DB, e.g. if a node is down, etc. and act on it | 20:13 |
| xgerman_ | what we need to decide is the format of the map and if we ant to use a map | 20:14 |
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| blogan | ah okay, so the healthmixin is really just going to be making the db calls, but the amphora driver will be responsible for spinning up another thread/process to listen for heartbeats from amphorae? | 20:14 |
| a2hill | could the deploy worker call the health-manager? | 20:14 |
| xgerman_ | blogan correct | 20:15 |
| a2hill | oh, nvm | 20:15 |
| xgerman_ | yeah, we leave it to the amphora-driver to gather the health (in case somebody wants to poll) | 20:15 |
| blogan | i may be remembering something wrong here, but is every amphora driver implementation responsible for spinning up their own heartbeat listener or will that be done by common controller? | 20:16 |
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| johnsom | It's a driver responsibility | 20:16 |
| xgerman_ | we decided that every driver has to do that since that format is driver specific | 20:16 |
| bedis | s/driver/vendor/ | 20:16 |
| bedis | :) | 20:16 |
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| bedis | or device specific | 20:17 |
| blogan | okay thats what i thought, but felt like we decided somethign different at the seattle meetup, but i must have been thinking of something else | 20:17 |
| blogan | quiet vendor! | 20:17 |
| johnsom | The polling option was the part that pushed us to make it a driver responsibility | 20:17 |
| xgerman_ | yeah, we removed the polling from the API in Seattle | 20:17 |
| xgerman_ | so the driver has to run a thread no matter what | 20:17 |
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| blogan | what about getting heartbeats on spare amphorae? | 20:18 |
| xgerman_ | can' | 20:18 |
| xgerman_ | t the driver do that? | 20:18 |
| a2hill | So will the deploy-worker call an agent of sort that is the driver, or will it instantiate a new one each call? | 20:18 |
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| a2hill | i may be thinking of different things, can ignore me | 20:19 |
| blogan | isn't the amphora driver only used on configured amphorae? | 20:19 |
| xgerman_ | ok, I see what you mean -- | 20:19 |
| blogan | a2hill: deploy-worker will be in its own thread already and im guessing it will just instantiate a new driver in each worker | 20:20 |
| a2hill | but | 20:20 |
| a2hill | if the driver matintains a thread for the healthmanager and its instantiated each time | 20:20 |
| xgerman_ | well, there is a call finalize amphora | 20:20 |
| xgerman_ | so once an amp is build and before it ends up in the spare pool we will call that on the driver so the driver can do whatever it wants at deploy time | 20:21 |
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| blogan | so the deploy worker has the finalize amphora method, and thats the place to start a listener for heartbeats | 20:22 |
| xgerman_ | that would be a way | 20:22 |
| johnsom | Hmmm, would it make sense for the health manager to call into the driver to spawn the listener? | 20:23 |
| blogan | which driver? | 20:23 |
| blogan | amphora driver? | 20:23 |
| johnsom | amphora driver | 20:23 |
| xgerman_ | nah, I the way the UDP stuff works you just need one htread per server | 20:23 |
| johnsom | Right | 20:24 |
| xgerman_ | so I am confused why we need to spawn another thread | 20:24 |
| blogan | but amphora driver woudl only be responsible for its implementation, i.e. the haproxy amphora driver should only deal with haproxy stuff | 20:24 |
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| xgerman_ | yes | 20:24 |
| johnsom | So we would not want the deploy worker finalize to spawn that thread | 20:24 |
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| blogan | or sending updates to a configured amphora | 20:24 |
| blogan | so calling into an amphora driver doesn't make sense for a spare amphora | 20:24 |
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| blogan | which is what it hought the finalize_amphora method was for | 20:25 |
| xgerman_ | well, in haproxies case but if you think A10 nthey might need to do soemthing to make thir image "ready" | 20:25 |
| xgerman_ | finalize_amphora is really a hook for vendors | 20:26 |
| bedis | and F5 too | 20:26 |
| bedis | :p | 20:26 |
| blogan | i know, im just saying amphora driver implementation shouldn't have to deal with health maintenance of spare amphora | 20:26 |
| xgerman_ | but if the driver is not monitoring spare amphoras we can only look at nova which might not be enough... | 20:26 |
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| johnsom | The amphora driver should be our interface to the amphora no matter what "state" it is in right? | 20:27 |
| xgerman_ | yeah, that would be my preference | 20:28 |
| xgerman_ | but I can see a case for saying spare meand we just check nova health and then throw it away once the driver barfs | 20:28 |
| blogan | i guess ive always thought of the amphora driver only responsible for configuring the amphora to becoem a load balancer, but perhaps it would make sense to have it also do health maintenance on spare amphora | 20:29 |
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| blogan | it is called amphora driver lol | 20:29 |
| xgerman_ | yep, that was my thought | 20:29 |
| johnsom | +1 | 20:30 |
| blogan | okay so call nova to create an instance, once that instance is activated, call into the amphora driver to spawn a heartbeat listener | 20:30 |
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| blogan | then whenever its time to configure that amphora, call the other amphora driver methods | 20:30 |
| xgerman_ | yeah, though with the UDP you just need one listener | 20:31 |
| johnsom | There just needs to be one heartbeat listener per controller | 20:31 |
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| xgerman_ | as long as the UDP package sends you some id you vcan just hand that straight to the health manager | 20:31 |
| blogan | ah okay, just make a factory method to do it then and that method just checks whether the listener is active or not | 20:32 |
| xgerman_ | yep | 20:32 |
| xgerman_ | or activate it when the driver is first loaded | 20:32 |
| xgerman_ | ... | 20:32 |
| blogan | even better, no need to have it in the workflow | 20:33 |
| xgerman_ | since you might come back from a crashed server | 20:33 |
| blogan | deploy worker worfklow that is | 20:33 |
| johnsom | I would just have the health manager process fire it up | 20:33 |
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| xgerman_ | well, however the driver gets loaded... | 20:33 |
| blogan | will the health manager load the amphora driver? | 20:34 |
| blogan | obviously it can | 20:34 |
| johnsom | It doesn't today, but it could | 20:34 |
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| xgerman_ | I think the health manager is two pieces: | 20:34 |
| xgerman_ | 1) The mixin which updates the DB and puts stuff in queues | 20:34 |
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| xgerman_ | 2) A process which checks that the stuff in the DB isn't stale | 20:35 |
| blogan | well if it doesn't then it'd have to be the queue consumer that starts it because it is the agent that starts teh threads, the deploy worker will just be in one of those threads | 20:35 |
| xgerman_ | so the mixin would sort of run in the drivers haelth listener | 20:35 |
| xgerman_ | (1) | 20:35 |
| xgerman_ | deploy_worker might start it | 20:36 |
| blogan | deploy worker only gets called by teh queue consumer, its not doesn't start itself | 20:36 |
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| johnsom | Health manager is a stand alone process | 20:36 |
| blogan | so i think it makes better sense to put it in the health manager | 20:36 |
| blogan | yeah | 20:36 |
| blogan | that and it fits the the name | 20:37 |
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| xgerman_ | johnsom for 2 we need that | 20:38 |
| johnsom | Correct | 20:38 |
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| xgerman_ | the mixin part can live wherever we want but health manager makes a lot of sense | 20:38 |
| blogan | okay consensus between 3 ppl achieved | 20:39 |
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| xgerman_ | yeah :-) | 20:39 |
| blogan | but action from this is amphora driver interface needs to be updated to have a "start_health_manager" method or something like that | 20:40 |
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| xgerman_ | yep | 20:40 |
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| xgerman_ | or the driver comes in two parts ;-) | 20:40 |
| johnsom | start_health_listener maybe? | 20:41 |
| TrevorV_ | Sorry I guess I was half paying attention, the health manager has become a component of an amphora? | 20:41 |
| johnsom | No! | 20:41 |
| xgerman_ | +1 | 20:42 |
| TrevorV_ | Sorry I meant of the amphora driver | 20:42 |
| TrevorV_ | ha even typed it half-assed... my bad | 20:42 |
| TrevorV_ | I'm so scattered right now | 20:42 |
| xgerman_ | we just will run the health listener part of the amphora-driver on the health manager | 20:42 |
| johnsom | +1 xgerman_ | 20:42 |
| xgerman_ | hence need a way to start the listener -- | 20:43 |
| blogan | when the health manager process starts it will call an amphora driver method that will start its custom health checking | 20:43 |
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| xgerman_ | yep | 20:43 |
| johnsom | yes | 20:43 |
| blogan | it may poll or it may choose to receive, its up to the implementation | 20:43 |
| mwang2 | is that possible that update this part in the doc | 20:43 |
| xgerman_ | yeah, I can update next week -- if that's soon enough | 20:44 |
| blogan | mwang2: we should definitely update the interface and cos for that | 20:44 |
| blogan | docs | 20:44 |
| mwang2 | yep | 20:44 |
| xgerman_ | I kept it vague so we can revisit once the driver is more firm | 20:44 |
| xgerman_ | which we did right now ;-) | 20:44 |
| blogan | yeah much more clear now | 20:44 |
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| blogan | and sounds like a good plan | 20:45 |
| blogan | though i foresee problems if someone wants to poll, but i dont think they can be fixed | 20:45 |
| blogan | #topic Meeting next week? | 20:46 |
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| blogan | should we have an octavia meeting next week? | 20:46 |
| blogan | i dont think so | 20:46 |
| blogan | but want other opinions | 20:46 |
| johnsom | +1 | 20:46 |
| * bedis wants to poll | 20:46 | |
| a2hill | i thought doug cancled them? | 20:46 |
| xgerman_ | are all the people who are Octavia also Neutron LBaaS | 20:46 |
| * blogan polls bedis | 20:46 | |
| bedis | I mean my driver | 20:46 |
| xgerman_ | ? | 20:46 |
| blogan | dougwig canceled the neutron lbaas one | 20:46 |
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| a2hill | oh | 20:46 |
| TrevorV_ | Doug canceled the meeting he controls a2hill which is neutron lbaas :D | 20:46 |
| blogan | xgerman_: pretty much | 20:46 |
| xgerman_ | yep, just trying to make sure ;-) | 20:47 |
| TrevorV_ | Either way I agree with holding off, since most of us are doing the neutron lbaas hackathon | 20:47 |
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| blogan | i hear no objections | 20:47 |
| dougwig | control is a rather strong word. | 20:47 |
| blogan | dougwig: go back to your pto hell | 20:47 |
| * dougwig goes back to his day off. | 20:47 | |
| TrevorV_ | control == run == is organizer of? | 20:47 |
| xgerman_ | dougwig I am PTO and I am here | 20:48 |
| bedis | octavia talk could happen in the evening, around a beer :) | 20:48 |
| blogan | as we feed bedis to the riverwalk gators | 20:48 |
| a2hill | or a fruifury cider for some :P | 20:48 |
| johnsom | bedis is buying beer? | 20:48 |
| blogan | okay meeting canceled then | 20:48 |
| blogan | #topic Open Discussion | 20:48 |
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| xgerman_ | +1 | 20:48 |
| bedis | I drink beer | 20:48 |
| a2hill | So do I | 20:49 |
| xgerman_ | Any update on the Vancouver talk? | 20:49 |
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| bedis | HAProxy [beer] taskforce :) | 20:49 |
| a2hill | :D | 20:49 |
| xgerman_ | the LBaaS/Octavia/... panel one | 20:49 |
| xgerman_ | ? | 20:49 |
| dougwig | xgerman_: i suggest again that we merge the lbaas/octavia submission. i don't need 40 minutes. | 20:49 |
| * bedis gives a beer.rb to dougwig | 20:49 | |
| dougwig | .rb? yes! :) | 20:49 |
| xgerman_ | so we did submit? Links? | 20:50 |
| blogan | dougwig spends his pto writing ruby code | 20:50 |
| xgerman_ | I need to prepare a campaign... | 20:50 |
| blogan | i dont think anything has been submitted | 20:50 |
| dougwig | my submission has a synopsis of "tbd". | 20:50 |
| dougwig | i did submit a placeholder. | 20:50 |
| blogan | oh dougwig did | 20:50 |
| bedis | please vote for my haproxy submission ;) | 20:51 |
| blogan | bedis link | 20:51 |
| xgerman_ | +1 | 20:51 |
| bedis | let me find it | 20:51 |
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| bedis | https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2015/call-for-speakers/TalkDetails/2656 | 20:52 |
| bedis | many cool tips to make your configuration sexy :) | 20:52 |
| blogan | error | 20:53 |
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| xgerman_ | same here | 20:53 |
| bedis | mmhhh | 20:53 |
| xgerman_ | though I had to sign in first | 20:53 |
| xgerman_ | voting might not be open yet | 20:53 |
| a2hill | Same, but even logged in its still an error | 20:53 |
| xgerman_ | especially logged in it's an error | 20:53 |
| TrevorV_ | Umm... I have no error | 20:54 |
| xgerman_ | lucky you :-) | 20:55 |
| a2hill | Then youre doing it wrong | 20:55 |
| xgerman_ | +1 | 20:55 |
| bedis | :) | 20:55 |
| xgerman_ | ok, anyhthing else? T-5... | 20:55 |
| bedis | how can we see the submissions? | 20:55 |
| TrevorV_ | Ooooh okay yeah, it did error... I didn't see xgerman say anything about logging in. | 20:55 |
| TrevorV_ | Mah bad. | 20:55 |
| bedis | I can only see mine | 20:55 |
| blogan | probably can't see it unless you're in it | 20:56 |
| blogan | they'll post them when its time to vote on them | 20:56 |
| xgerman_ | likely | 20:56 |
| blogan | so bedis, spam the channel when voting on talks happens | 20:56 |
| a2hill | +1 | 20:56 |
| blogan | okay anyway, i think we are done here unless someone else has something | 20:57 |
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| xgerman_ | +1 | 20:57 |
| blogan | goodbye! | 20:57 |
| blogan | #endmeeting | 20:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 28 20:57:43 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-01-28-20.00.html | 20:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-01-28-20.00.txt | 20:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-01-28-20.00.log.html | 20:57 |
| xgerman_ | \xgerman goes back to his PTO | 20:57 |
| jorgem | o/ | 20:57 |
| xgerman_ | o/ | 20:57 |
| a2hill | \o | 20:58 |
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