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| baoli | #startmeeting PCI passthrough | 13:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 27 13:01:22 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is baoli. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: PCI passthrough)" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'pci_passthrough' | 13:01 |
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| baoli | Hi there | 13:01 |
| BrianB | hi | 13:01 |
| beagles | hi | 13:01 |
| moshele | hi | 13:03 |
| riwinters | hi | 13:03 |
| baoli | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Passthrough#Agenda_on_Jan._27th.2C_2015 | 13:04 |
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| baoli | beagles: I moved yours to the Open discussion | 13:05 |
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| beagles | baoli, cool | 13:05 |
| baoli | #topic bugs | 13:06 |
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| baoli | actually if we have nothing to bring up in the normal agenda, we can go straight into open discussions. | 13:07 |
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| beagles | quiet bunch this morning :) | 13:08 |
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| baoli | moshili: will look at your new upload for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145035/ | 13:10 |
| moshele | ok | 13:11 |
| beagles | so... does anybody have any info or background on the patch I noted: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149605/2 ? | 13:11 |
| moshele | also I am updated the suspend bug there was merge conflict | 13:11 |
| beagles | it didn't have a spec and I'm afraid I wouldn't have noticed it at all if someone didn't add me to the review (moshele?) | 13:12 |
| baoli | moshele: will +1 it | 13:13 |
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| moshele | I wasn't aware for this patch I added my self because we are interested in something like this | 13:14 |
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| baoli | beagles: thanks for bringing it up to our attention | 13:14 |
| moshele | beagales: I thought your spec also cover it, no ? | 13:14 |
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| beagles | the bp was introduced by Adrian Hoban (AFAICT) but there is no actual spec to go with it. It seems to be the same sort of ground but introduces the concept of device group to the pci list etc. so probably covers some specific use cases | 13:15 |
| baoli | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/libvirt-sriov-nic-bonding was registered by Przemyslaw | 13:15 |
| beagles | baoli, ah right so it was | 13:16 |
| pczesno | beagles: yes, but we heaven't started working on that yet | 13:16 |
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| beagles | pczesno, ack. | 13:17 |
| pczesno | beagles: nikolay is not working with us, he just used an existing bp | 13:17 |
| beagles | pczesno, ahhh okay | 13:18 |
| beagles | thanks for clarifying that | 13:18 |
| baoli | I am actually interested in the overall story about the sriov nic bonding. | 13:19 |
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| pczesno | baoli: our inital plan was to implement the scenario where bonding is done by the host, but in the end didn't have enough bandwitdh to do that | 13:21 |
| pczesno | baoli: beagles is working on the bonding in the guest scenario | 13:21 |
| baoli | pczesno: can you describe how that can be achieved? | 13:22 |
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| pczesno | baoli: it was for macvtap only , libvirt can do the bonding | 13:22 |
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| baoli | pczesno: I see | 13:23 |
| baoli | But for direct sriov, Let's say a VM is provided with two SR-IOV interfaces, each of them is from a different physical port. How is the VM informed that the two sriov interfaces should be bonded together? How is layers provisioned in the VM, etc? | 13:25 |
| baoli | s/layers/layer3 | 13:25 |
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| pczesno | baoli: i guess vm assumes that it should bond the ports, there are things i don't uderstand about bonding in the vm | 13:27 |
| pczesno | beagles: what's your plan? | 13:28 |
| beagles | pczesno, your understanding is consistent with mine... basically making it so the ports are consistent with the intent of bonding in the guest | 13:28 |
| beagles | I have not heard anyone state requirements that guestside bonding be handled by openstack | 13:28 |
| beagles | I'd presume that would be more inline with bonding outside of the guest | 13:29 |
| pczesno | beagles: what if VM requests 4 sriov ports , how will it know which 2 to bond? | 13:29 |
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| beagles | pczesno, outside of the scope I was aiming at really. | 13:32 |
| pczesno | beagles: ah ok | 13:32 |
| moshele | regarding the bonding on the guest maybe it can be done using cloud init? | 13:33 |
| beagles | pczesno, we went scrounging for solid user requirements so we could build use cases and we didn't get solid info. During that process I saw a room for an incremental improvement. | 13:33 |
| sean-k-mooney | cloud init may work provided the interface layout does not chage for the lifetime of the vm. how would attch work in this case? | 13:34 |
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| baoli | also how dhcp/l3 would work in the case? | 13:35 |
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| baoli | build a specialized config drive? | 13:36 |
| beagles | baoli, basically wouldn't .. the vm would have to handle the bonding however it saw fit | 13:37 |
| baoli | that would convey all the information required for the vm to configure the bonded interface? | 13:37 |
| beagles | baoli, yeah or similar | 13:37 |
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| baoli | beagles: a better understanding of the mechanism for guest bonding would help in the long run. | 13:38 |
| beagles | baoli, basically the orchestration once it had the ports would be left up to something else. | 13:38 |
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| beagles | baoli, sure... my perspective is somewhat influenced by fielding requests for address-less ports (which we don't have). It seems there are folks who just want the ports and for OpenStack to just stay out of the way afterwards. | 13:39 |
| beagles | nova supported this for some time and people were happy with that, but when it was pointed out that neutron couldn't do it .. it was fixed | 13:40 |
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| beagles | in that nova lost its ability to do that :) | 13:40 |
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| beagles | anyways.... | 13:41 |
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| beagles | I would think that people who wanted hands off bonding would prefer that it were handled outside of the vm and then all of that crap is dealt with | 13:41 |
| baoli | beagles: so basically nova/neutron should support that a vm launched with l2 ports? | 13:42 |
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| beagles | baoli, more or less.. basically a permutation of "flat" networking. | 13:43 |
| baoli | beagles: there seems to be some discussion in the community on that ^^ | 13:45 |
| beagles | its a degenerate case because somewhere between folsom and havana, addressing in flat networking became more "regular"... you could still do it, but at some point openstack required an address pool and allocated addresses for it.. even if they were never used - or something. | 13:45 |
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| baoli | beagles: any pointer on that discussion? | 13:46 |
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| beagles | baoli, yeah.. l2 ports have been a "asked for" for some time and while there have been blueprints that are somewhat related (addressless interfaces ) they weren't exactly "it" - because ports still would have addresses. | 13:46 |
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| beagles | baoli, not right at hand but I can look | 13:47 |
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| baoli | beagles: ok | 13:48 |
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| baoli | unless people have something to bring up, I guess that we are done for today. | 13:52 |
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| beagles | baoli, I'll add links to the agenda for next week's open discussion on this stuff, okay? | 13:52 |
| pczesno | i would like to ask for review on : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140290/ | 13:52 |
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| baoli | beagles: that sounds great! | 13:53 |
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| baoli | pczesno: will do sometime this week | 13:53 |
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| pczesno | baoli: thanks | 13:54 |
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| baoli | Thanks everyone. See you next time. | 13:56 |
| baoli | #endmeeting | 13:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:56 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 27 13:56:57 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2015/pci_passthrough.2015-01-27-13.01.html | 13:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2015/pci_passthrough.2015-01-27-13.01.txt | 13:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2015/pci_passthrough.2015-01-27-13.01.log.html | 13:57 |
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| sc68cal | Hi all | 14:59 |
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| aveiga | o/ | 14:59 |
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| sc68cal | #startmeeting neutron_ipv6 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 27 15:00:13 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_ipv6)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ipv6' | 15:00 |
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| sc68cal | Kilo-2 milestone is coming up quick | 15:01 |
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| sc68cal | xuhanp: how goes your dhcpv6 opts review? | 15:02 |
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| xuhanp | sc68cal, pretty great. Got a lot of comments thanks to everyone | 15:03 |
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| ihrachyshka | o/ | 15:03 |
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| baoli | Hi | 15:03 |
| sc68cal | xuhanp: cool, let me know if there is anything we can do to help | 15:04 |
| sc68cal | s/me/us | 15:04 |
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| xuhanp | sc68cal, will do. thanks | 15:04 |
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| sc68cal | I'll open the floor - anyone have anything they'd like to discuss? | 15:05 |
| ihrachyshka | these days I considered writing some tests for ra.py, and I tried to split tests for the module from test_l3_agent first. it was not trivial and I ended up with the series: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:split_ra_unit_tests,n,z | 15:06 |
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| ihrachyshka | I would like people to check whether this smth we should approach (I guess it corresponds to a bp we have to restructure unit tests) | 15:06 |
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| sc68cal | ihrachyshka: thanks for the heads up - i'll take a look. I like the concept already | 15:07 |
| ihrachyshka | the main one (and the last one) is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150066/ | 15:08 |
| ihrachyshka | all prev stuff is just to achieve this | 15:08 |
| ihrachyshka | (which tells a lot about our tests) | 15:08 |
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| sc68cal | yeah the l3 agent is going through some big changes, for the better. | 15:09 |
| baoli | ihrachyshka: will take a look sometime. | 15:10 |
| ihrachyshka | thanks guys | 15:10 |
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| sc68cal | ihrachyshka: I saw your thread on the ML regarding sanity checks for dnsmasq version | 15:11 |
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| ihrachyshka | I was mainly interested in covering the module with tests to push for https://review.openstack.org/148017 (also worth checking on whether it's a correct path) | 15:11 |
| ihrachyshka | sc68cal, yeah, I hope to kill that check asap since centos7+kilo is broken | 15:11 |
| sc68cal | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150066/ | 15:11 |
| ihrachyshka | but it's not strictly ipv6 :) | 15:11 |
| sc68cal | doh | 15:11 |
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| sc68cal | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-January/053909.html | 15:11 |
| ihrachyshka | for those interested, https://review.openstack.org/148577 | 15:12 |
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| sc68cal | I get a little worried about them backporting stuff from 2.67 to 2.66 - but hey if that's what they want to do ... | 15:13 |
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| sc68cal | I wish them luck | 15:13 |
| ihrachyshka | sc68cal, well, that's redhat | 15:14 |
| ihrachyshka | we are profies in those kinds of perversions | 15:14 |
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| sc68cal | ihrachyshka: lol yep :) | 15:14 |
| ihrachyshka | also of ipv6 note, juno freeze is approaching | 15:15 |
| ihrachyshka | and I have some ipv6 backports: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron+branch:stable/juno+topic:bug/1358709,n,z | 15:15 |
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| sc68cal | ihrachyshka: perfect I'll take a look | 15:16 |
| ihrachyshka | one of those was discussed on prev meeting and we seemed to decide not to push for backport, but I thought since then and think that it's actually backportable, for the current behaviour is plain wrong. | 15:16 |
| ihrachyshka | so, again, comments | 15:16 |
| ihrachyshka | :) | 15:16 |
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| sc68cal | well, the original commit was filed as a bug... ;) | 15:18 |
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| sc68cal | dane_leblanc: how goes your patches> | 15:21 |
| HenryG | I am in favour of those backports | 15:21 |
| dane_leblanc | sc68cal: Fairly well, thanks. Got some reviews from baoli and Xu Han, thanks | 15:21 |
| dane_leblanc | The first patch is failing some Tempest tests, I think I know the root causes, but fixing is tricky | 15:22 |
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| xuhanp | I was going to ask, how to fix tempest tests when the change in Neutron is not merged? | 15:23 |
| xuhanp | it's kind of a chicken-egg problem | 15:24 |
| dane_leblanc | xuhanp: The problems that I see so far are fixable within the patchset | 15:24 |
| dane_leblanc | xuhanp: as far as I can tell. | 15:24 |
| ihrachyshka | xuhanp, oh, have you heard about cross-repo deps patch for zuul? | 15:24 |
| ihrachyshka | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144555/ | 15:24 |
| xuhanp | ihrachyshka, good to hear that! Thanks | 15:24 |
| ihrachyshka | it should bring us a Ponny Land | 15:24 |
| sc68cal | excellent | 15:24 |
| xuhanp | will take a look | 15:24 |
| dane_leblanc | One of the problems that I see is that for SLAAC, we assume that the addresses are available upon subnet create (and we make associations for the ports on subnet create) | 15:25 |
| sc68cal | that will be very useful | 15:25 |
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| dane_leblanc | But the addresses aren't really available until RADVD is spawned, and I think that happens when there's a router interface add | 15:25 |
| xuhanp | dane_leblanc, I think this was discussed in your spec review. But I cannot remember the conclusion. | 15:26 |
| dane_leblanc | So we may be making assumptions and displaying associations with SLAAC addresses which aren't available at the time. | 15:26 |
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| dane_leblanc | xuhanp: I don't think I nailed in 100% in the spec. | 15:27 |
| aveiga | dane_leblanc: true, but those are available once RADVD is live. It's not like they have to be populated in dnsmasq hosts or anything | 15:27 |
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| aveiga | since the addr is tied to the port's MAC | 15:27 |
| ihrachyshka | dane_leblanc, what's the real problem? can we just avoid exposing those addresses if subnet is isolated? | 15:27 |
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| dane_leblanc | aveiga: Right, the addresses are actually available when radvd is live, but if we do a show ports before radvd is live, we'll show associations on the ports for the SLAAC addresses | 15:28 |
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| aveiga | I think we just need to roll with it though, since it isn't always radvd sending the RA | 15:29 |
| dane_leblanc | Let's say someone creates a slaac subnet, but doesn't do add router interface to spawn radvd | 15:29 |
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| dane_leblanc | aveiga: I think we can distinguish the source of RA based on ra_mode | 15:29 |
| dane_leblanc | So before add router interface is done, show ports will show associations with slaac addresses that aren't really there | 15:30 |
| ihrachyshka | dane_leblanc, but ips are still available for usage, it's just that there is nothing that would automate it. same story for subnets with dhcp disabled. | 15:30 |
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| sc68cal | If I understand correctly, this is not really a new thing - since there is a time between when a port is assigned a IPv4 address and when the client actually does a DHCP request | 15:30 |
| ihrachyshka | in theory, something inside instance may set addressing in an alternative way | 15:30 |
| aveiga | also true | 15:31 |
| aveiga | if you were using metadata, you can still use that assigned address | 15:31 |
| dane_leblanc | ihrachyshka: for that scenario, ra_mode would be None, and ra_address_mode would be slaac | 15:31 |
| aveiga | not necessarily | 15:31 |
| dane_leblanc | Meaning, don't use openstack radvd | 15:31 |
| aveiga | you might want the RAs there for routing purposes | 15:31 |
| aveiga | but make your address stable | 15:32 |
| ihrachyshka | how about 'don't use openstack radvd for now'? | 15:32 |
| baoli | dane_leblanc: as long as the 'mode' says it's slaac, RA will run some where eventually, right? | 15:32 |
| dane_leblanc | baoli: Eventually, yes | 15:32 |
| dane_leblanc | I'm concerned with debuggability | 15:33 |
| sc68cal | it should be easy to figure out - if a guest isn't getting a slaac address that means radvd is busted | 15:33 |
| dane_leblanc | In the interval between when we're assuming slaac addresses are available and when they're actually available | 15:34 |
| sc68cal | when modes are slaac/slaac | 15:34 |
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| dane_leblanc | sc68cal: That's true, the guest would show whether the address is assigned or not, although openstack show ports might show something different | 15:35 |
| ihrachyshka | I don't see how this requires special behaviour in comparison to dhcp disabled. show ports does not show active addresses of an instance but ip addresses available for usage using the port. | 15:36 |
| aveiga | this is not divergent behavior | 15:36 |
| baoli | dane_leblanc: may be a cli/api to show what radvd is currently doing would help | 15:36 |
| aveiga | I think it's fine | 15:36 |
| sc68cal | I think we can do a little hand-waving and say that Neutron always displays the desired behavior | 15:36 |
| baoli | rather than digging it up manually. | 15:37 |
| ihrachyshka | it's eventual consistency, dude. some day the instance will set the address. | 15:37 |
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| dane_leblanc | Okay, sounds like I'm outnumbered. :) If the expectation is there that the show ports might not be 100% real, then it's okay. | 15:38 |
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| sc68cal | dane_leblanc: we're just trying to cut down on your workload :) | 15:38 |
| ihrachyshka | lol | 15:39 |
| dane_leblanc | sc68cal: So am I! | 15:39 |
| dane_leblanc | sc68cal: This will determine a fix I need to make to get Tempest test working | 15:39 |
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| sc68cal | we should print a motto - "We'll fix it in P" | 15:39 |
| dane_leblanc | sc68cal: Ha! | 15:40 |
| aveiga | sc68cal: s/P/Current+1/g | 15:40 |
| sc68cal | then we'll cross off P and write in new ones underneath | 15:40 |
| dane_leblanc | Thanks for discussing this, good input. | 15:40 |
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| SridharG | Speaking of radvd reminds me to share my observations regarding radvd in an HA setup :-) | 15:45 |
| SridharG | I've seen that in an HA Setup, radvd is spawned in all the HA Routers (irrespective of master/backup). | 15:45 |
| SridharG | This was creating issues as the traffic from the standby/backup routers was causing the switch ports to reconfigure the IP/MAC port info as the | 15:45 |
| SridharG | interfaces still had the LLA. Thanks to Assaf's patch [https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142843/] which is now merged and it addresses this issue . | 15:45 |
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| SridharG | I remember that we had a discussion earlier on the need for gratuitous arp for IPv6 subnets | 15:46 |
| aveiga | SridharG: was it sending RAs without priority? | 15:46 |
| aveiga | that's actually a valid config if the active was higher priority than the passive | 15:46 |
| aveiga | because it would lower the failover time | 15:46 |
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| SridharG | aveiga: I've not checked the priority of RA | 15:47 |
| SridharG | but AFAIK we do not change the priority of RADVD messages. So it would exactly be the same RA in all the HA router instances. | 15:47 |
| aveiga | so that's the bug | 15:47 |
| SridharG | what I actually wanted to convey is that... | 15:47 |
| aveiga | running radvd on all instances is valid, but not if they'e the same priority | 15:48 |
| SridharG | while discussing about GARP, some of you mentioned that it is not required as RA would serve the same purpose.. | 15:48 |
| SridharG | and this seems to be true. | 15:48 |
| SridharG | aveiga: eventhough Radvd is running Assaf's patch would remove the LLA from the qr-xyz iface. | 15:49 |
| sc68cal | aveiga: I think the problem was for HA routers they were using the same mac address | 15:49 |
| SridharG | so the RA would not be seen by the instances/VMs. | 15:49 |
| aveiga | oh, that's not good | 15:49 |
| sc68cal | a follow up patch could add priority for ra packet and have different LLAs | 15:49 |
| aveiga | yeah, I think we still need to figure out the multiple LLA thing | 15:50 |
| aveiga | that was still up in the air if I remember correctly | 15:50 |
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| SridharG | yes sc68cal, the IP/MAC for the qg-xyz/qr-xyz would be the same on all the HA routers. | 15:51 |
| aveiga | SridharG: I think the bigger question is which of the HA methods we want to support | 15:52 |
| aveiga | you can do LLA spoofing similar to a VRRP mode | 15:52 |
| aveiga | or multiple RAs from different LLAs with different priorities | 15:52 |
| SridharG | aveiga: I'm talking about HA with Keepalived (VRRP) | 15:52 |
| aveiga | is neutron managing keepalived? | 15:53 |
| SridharG | yes | 15:53 |
| aveiga | then I guess we'd better fix that setup :( | 15:53 |
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| SridharG | neutron spawns keepalived, but it uses scripts to get some notifications when there is a failover. | 15:54 |
| SridharG | so I'm not sure, if its kind of straight forward. | 15:54 |
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| sc68cal | sounds like a summit session proposal ;) | 15:56 |
| SridharG | lol | 15:56 |
| aveiga | +1 | 15:57 |
| aveiga | or at least a pod session | 15:57 |
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| sc68cal | looks like we're nearly out of time | 15:58 |
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| Rajeev | AFAIK neutron is not notified of failover. Only the agents have that info | 15:58 |
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| SridharG | I agree with Rajeev, there seems to be some pending work to get the active HA router. | 16:00 |
| sc68cal | Take care everyone, see you all next week | 16:00 |
| sc68cal | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| sergmelikyan | #startmeeting murano | 16:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 27 16:59:29 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sergmelikyan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:59 |
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| sergmelikyan | Hi guys! | 16:59 |
| katyafervent2 | hi | 16:59 |
| slagun | o/ | 17:00 |
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| sergmelikyan | I see most of the us are here :) Hi, henar, OndrejVojta, RadekPospisil | 17:02 |
| sergmelikyan | Let's start meeting :) | 17:02 |
| OndrejVojta | hi | 17:02 |
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| RadekPospisil | hi | 17:03 |
| sergmelikyan | Our agenda is available on the wiki as always: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda | 17:03 |
| henar | good afternoon | 17:03 |
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| sergmelikyan | So let's start with second item of the agenda, cause we don't have AI's from previous meeting: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-01-20-17.00.html | 17:03 |
| sergmelikyan | #topic Big-fix release for stable/juno | 17:04 |
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| sergmelikyan | I was planning to release 2014.2.1 on the last week, but we found another issue on the Friday, so release slipped a little bit | 17:04 |
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| katyafervent2 | how is the progress of this bug? | 17:05 |
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| sergmelikyan | henar, RadekPospisil, if you use Juno version for testing, is better to use stable/juno branch instead of 2014.2 tag | 17:05 |
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| sergmelikyan | katyafervent, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1414072 | 17:05 |
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| sergmelikyan | I was talking about this one, and it is already fixed | 17:06 |
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| sergmelikyan | I don't get it, how we this nasty thing slipped though our hands :( | 17:07 |
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| sergmelikyan | Let's move to the next topic? | 17:08 |
| henar | ok | 17:08 |
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| katyafervent2 | thank you lets move on | 17:09 |
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| sergmelikyan | #topic Log Messages localization | 17:10 |
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| sergmelikyan | It's really hot topic, Kate, can you provide some context? | 17:11 |
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| sergmelikyan | I think this topic is proposed by you | 17:11 |
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| katyafervent2 | we need to discuss should we add lig translation or not | 17:12 |
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| slagun | I think we shouldn't | 17:14 |
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| katyafervent2 | Stan could you provide facts, why we shoul not do that | 17:15 |
| sergmelikyan | katyafervent, ok, as far as I know there was several discussions in OpenStack, can you summarize them for us? Or may be links? | 17:15 |
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| slagun | log files are not intended for end users. Those are for operators/administrators and they in turn may send them to application developer for bug investigation. We (as Murano team) will be not ready to help users with Chinese logs for example | 17:18 |
| slagun | also you cannot grep such log | 17:18 |
| katyafervent2 | give me one minite | 17:18 |
| slagun | IMO only messages presented in UI should be localized | 17:18 |
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| sergmelikyan | Any other thoughts on this topic? | 17:21 |
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| katyafervent2 | I agreed, sorry cant paste the link | 17:21 |
| sergmelikyan | In the oslo.i18n project there is a guide how to translate log messages: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.i18n/guidelines.html#log-translation | 17:22 |
| sergmelikyan | But I think this guide does not specify directly that all projects need to translate log messages. | 17:22 |
| katyafervent2 | if we accept teanslation, we need to test it and we have no time for that | 17:23 |
| sergmelikyan | katyafervent, I propose to gather more information, best practices and so on, before deciding anything, sticking with current approach for now (not translating log messages & exceptions) | 17:23 |
| katyafervent2 | so stay with no | 17:23 |
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| sergmelikyan | katyafervent, can you look at this matter a little bit more? | 17:24 |
| OndrejVojta | exception can be localized because there is also stack trace so we know the line even when localized | 17:24 |
| katyafervent2 | ok | 17:25 |
| sergmelikyan | #action katyafervent, research more about log/exception localization | 17:26 |
| sergmelikyan | And let's return to this topic in the mailing list than | 17:26 |
| sergmelikyan | ...sticking with current approach for now... | 17:27 |
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| sergmelikyan | #topic YAQL | 17:27 |
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| sergmelikyan | slagun, can you update on this topic? | 17:27 |
| slagun | that was my topic :) | 17:27 |
| slagun | so we have YAQL 1.0 almost ready | 17:28 |
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| slagun | and it is a great step forward for both yaql and Murano | 17:28 |
| slagun | the problem is that it was rewritten like almost from scratch | 17:28 |
| slagun | so it is extremely hard to break it into small commits | 17:29 |
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| slagun | so what I suggest is to have it in single large commit and single spec. That is not so bad as it may sound because yaql 1.0 have great unit test coverage so there is no need to review every single line of code | 17:30 |
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| slagun | and then to migrate Murano to it shortly after we release it | 17:30 |
| slagun | and help Mistral to do the same | 17:31 |
| RadekPospisil | what parts of Murano code will be affected by the change? | 17:31 |
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| RadekPospisil | e.g. only murano/dsl, or murano/engine, ... | 17:31 |
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| slagun | Murano uses yaql 0.2.x and will not migrate to 1.0 automatically. Migration requires changes to dsl package for engine and also to murano-dashboard that also uses yaql 0.2 | 17:32 |
| RadekPospisil | ok, thanks | 17:33 |
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| sergmelikyan | I would say this is kinda extreme proposal, but I get the point. What about pushing it as one commit, and one spec. Make a thoughtful review on spec, regarding functionality. Make sure that all parts of code is covered by unit-tests, and fix some issues that are not bugs, and don't break PEP-8 check on the gate later. | 17:34 |
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| RadekPospisil | will the change to YAQL 1.0 require changes in existing packages (i.e., classes)? | 17:35 |
| slagun | yes. Lets review it but not merge it before spec is merged and before we achieve real high UT coverage | 17:35 |
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| sergmelikyan | Yeah, that was I was saying | 17:36 |
| slagun | RadekPospisil: there are some breaking changes but with 99% chance you won't have to change anything | 17:36 |
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| RadekPospisil | ok | 17:36 |
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| sergmelikyan | We need to have special section in spec regarding breaking chagnes | 17:36 |
| OndrejVojta | are coverage reports available somewhere in jenkins? | 17:37 |
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| slagun | there are no more tuples (but dict(a=>b, c=>d) still works) and there is no filtration using $collection[predicade] syntax (use $collection.where(predicate) instead). If you are not using one of those you don't need to change anything | 17:37 |
| sergmelikyan | OndrejVojta, yes, it generated for each OpenStack CI unit-tests check | 17:39 |
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| sergmelikyan | at least I thought so, maybe something changed :( | 17:41 |
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| sergmelikyan | #agreed slagun will push yaql 1.0 as one commit. We will ensure functionality reviewing the spec, and quality by making sure that we have good coverage (80% at least) by UT | 17:43 |
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| sergmelikyan | #topic Advanced image filtering | 17:44 |
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| sergmelikyan | katyafervent, you proposed this topic? | 17:44 |
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| katyafervent2 | yes | 17:45 |
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| katyafervent2 | I want to add feature of dynamic image filtering in kilo | 17:45 |
| katyafervent2 | Thus application owner provides image requirements in application definition | 17:46 |
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| sergmelikyan | we planned to implement this feature using Metadata Repository that is going to be available in L | 17:46 |
| katyafervent2 | and via image metadata images will be filters in dashboard | 17:46 |
| sergmelikyan | what's changed? | 17:46 |
| katyafervent2 | Stan suggest setting requirement with Yaql, so I will summer up the ideas and change the blueprint | 17:47 |
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| sergmelikyan | How to set requirements is one question, where to store them and how to query them is another | 17:48 |
| katyafervent2 | but docker apps will be added in kilo, and if no docker installed on image - the deployment will failed silintly | 17:48 |
| sergmelikyan | They are already working in MOX without this feature :) | 17:48 |
| sergmelikyan | in production :) | 17:49 |
| katyafervent2 | But all changes should be summered in the one spesification | 17:49 |
| katyafervent2 | Ok, if we don't need that feature - let's continue to the next topic | 17:49 |
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| sergmelikyan | Let's try to catch-up with Travis regarding MetadataDef and think about how to have proper interface for this feature using YAQL | 17:49 |
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| sergmelikyan | We definitely need this feature, but I would propose to start with thinking about implementation details and put spec in place, and implement in L | 17:50 |
| sergmelikyan | katyafervent, you agree? | 17:50 |
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| katyafervent2 | Well, I suggest to assign it to kilo with low priority and if we will not find time for it - will move it to L | 17:51 |
| sergmelikyan | Why? | 17:51 |
| katyafervent2 | Cause kilo will be released in May, we have a chance to implement it in kilo | 17:52 |
| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: Gerrit and Zuul will be offline for a few minutes for a security update | 17:53 | |
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| katyafervent2 | It's 5 minutes left, does anybody have questions for open discussion? | 17:54 |
| sergmelikyan | Not sure about this :( Kilo - 2 in a few days, we even didn't started versioning | 17:54 |
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| sergmelikyan | Let's discus on which release to assign this feature when we will have a spec based on Metadata Defs and YAQL 1.0 | 17:55 |
| katyafervent2 | it's just versioning left, will we implement it for months? | 17:56 |
| sergmelikyan | I am sure that we will not be able to deliver this in K, cause Metadata Defs functionality from J may be not enough for us. | 17:56 |
| sergmelikyan | And this feature depends on two others that are still not in source tree | 17:56 |
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| sergmelikyan | katyafervent, it's not a just versioning :) And I am sure that we will work on versioning even in the next release - it is huge | 17:57 |
| sergmelikyan | You agree about: "Let's discus on which release to assign this feature when we will have a spec based on Metadata Defs and YAQL 1.0@ | 17:58 |
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| sergmelikyan | ? | 17:58 |
| sergmelikyan | katyafervent, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Murano/Roadmap#Unscoped <- what is left to do in K | 17:58 |
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| katyafervent2 | ok, got it | 17:59 |
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| sergmelikyan | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 27 18:00:24 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-01-27-16.59.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-01-27-16.59.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-01-27-16.59.log.html | 18:00 |
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| sarob | anyone here for the ambassadors meeting? | 18:05 |
| sarob | its misposted in the ICS | 18:05 |
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| bnemec | SpamapS: ping | 19:15 |
| * greghaynes pokes SpamapS | 19:15 | |
| bnemec | Heh | 19:15 |
| bnemec | I was first. :-P | 19:15 |
| greghaynes | I blame latency ;) | 19:16 |
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| greghaynes | maybe someone else should run it. /me is a bit distracted by some other work atm :/ | 19:16 |
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| greghaynes | #startmeeting tripleo | 19:17 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 27 19:17:41 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is greghaynes. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:17 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:17 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 19:17 |
| greghaynes | #topic agenda | 19:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:17 | |
| greghaynes | * bugs | 19:17 |
| greghaynes | * reviews | 19:17 |
| greghaynes | * Projects needing releases | 19:17 |
| greghaynes | * CD Cloud status | 19:17 |
| greghaynes | * CI | 19:18 |
| greghaynes | * Specs | 19:18 |
| greghaynes | * open discussion | 19:18 |
| greghaynes | Remember that anyone can use the link and info commands, not just the moderator - if you have something worth noting in the meeting minutes feel free to tag it | 19:18 |
| greghaynes | #topic bugs | 19:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:18 | |
| greghaynes | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 19:18 |
| greghaynes | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/ | 19:18 |
| greghaynes | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-refresh-config | 19:18 |
| greghaynes | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config | 19:18 |
| greghaynes | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config | 19:18 |
| greghaynes | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-cloud-config | 19:18 |
| greghaynes | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-net-config | 19:18 |
| greghaynes | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar | 19:18 |
| greghaynes | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tuskarclient | 19:18 |
| greghaynes | We have the same https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1374626 which I believe is still blocking on SpamapS ENOTIME | 19:19 |
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| greghaynes | also https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1401300 thats blocking on me getting distracted by CI fails | 19:19 |
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| greghaynes | any other bugs people want to mention? | 19:20 |
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| bnemec | nope | 19:20 |
| greghaynes | https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/1407828 is wierd | 19:21 |
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| greghaynes | maybe one of the rhers could help out with that? | 19:21 |
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| bnemec | greghaynes: I responded to it already. | 19:21 |
| greghaynes | oh, looks like bnemec did :) | 19:21 |
| bnemec | The link works for me, so I can't make any more progress on it. | 19:21 |
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| greghaynes | ah, ok, since its been over a week maybe we should just mark as invalid | 19:22 |
| greghaynes | ok, thats all I got | 19:23 |
| greghaynes | moving on... | 19:23 |
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| greghaynes | #topic reviews | 19:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reviews (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:23 | |
| greghaynes | #info There's a dashboard linked from https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TripleO#Review_team - look for "TripleO Inbox Dashboard" | 19:23 |
| greghaynes | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-openreviews.html | 19:23 |
| greghaynes | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-30.txt | 19:23 |
| greghaynes | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-90.txt | 19:23 |
| greghaynes | im pretty sure our list of oldest reviews is different this week, so seems like a good thing | 19:24 |
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| greghaynes | I dont really have anything to add to that... | 19:25 |
| greghaynes | we seem to be doing fine with our review backlog imo so *shrug* | 19:25 |
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| greghaynes | oh, I think we said this week SpamapS would look at culling some core reviewers if their numbers stayed low? | 19:26 |
| bnemec | Well, in the near future. | 19:26 |
| bnemec | I'd be inclined to wait maybe for the next time we meet at this time. | 19:27 |
| slagle | didnt he already? | 19:27 |
| bnemec | Just to make sure we're >30 days out from the holidays. | 19:27 |
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| bnemec | He removed a couple who said they were no longer interested. | 19:27 |
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| bnemec | I think he was holding off on the forced removals though. | 19:27 |
| greghaynes | yep, seems reasonable | 19:27 |
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| greghaynes | ok, so looks like our meeting wiki page isnt updated with out new agenda | 19:28 |
| bnemec | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-January/054575.html | 19:28 |
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| greghaynes | #action Update https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TripleO to reflect our new agenda | 19:29 |
| greghaynes | Our next topic was supposed to be operators? | 19:29 |
| greghaynes | #topic live cloud status | 19:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "live cloud status (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:30 | |
| greghaynes | Do we have anyone here who is running / representing a live cloud? | 19:30 |
| greghaynes | I think our two who have been working on hp ci clouds tend to come to the other meeting | 19:31 |
| bnemec | Or anyone at all besides the three of us? :-) | 19:31 |
| greghaynes | heh, yea | 19:31 |
| greghaynes | ooook. Welp going to move on to.... | 19:32 |
| greghaynes | #topic Projects needing releases | 19:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Projects needing releases (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:32 | |
| greghaynes | I released last week, new yubikey is awesome | 19:32 |
| greghaynes | anyone want to take it this week? | 19:33 |
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| greghaynes | *crickets* | 19:34 |
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| greghaynes | ok, ill do it if things look like they need releasing | 19:34 |
| greghaynes | #action greghaynes to release all the things | 19:34 |
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| greghaynes | #topic CI | 19:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:35 | |
| greghaynes | so, I hope people have something to say about this :) | 19:35 |
| bnemec | It's broken. | 19:35 |
| greghaynes | that it is | 19:36 |
| TheJulia | It looks like a fix was proposed | 19:36 |
| greghaynes | a fix? | 19:36 |
| TheJulia | for neutron | 19:36 |
| greghaynes | ah | 19:36 |
| greghaynes | yep, just in merge queue | 19:36 |
| greghaynes | Id also like to point out http://logs.openstack.org/19/149819/3/check-tripleo/check-tripleo-ironic-overcloud-f20-nonha/3e39a48/logs/get_state_from_host.txt.gz | 19:36 |
| greghaynes | which shows why our f20 jobs have no seed logs | 19:37 |
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| greghaynes | So theres still the spurious failure that is causing most f20 jobs to fail, and also the spurious nodes going into error deleting state in heat | 19:38 |
| greghaynes | I think it would be awesome if we could rally some support around getting those fixed, they seem to be causing a lot of pain for anyone trying to use our CI :) | 19:39 |
| bnemec | So I caught part of the conversation about the seed_logs thing. | 19:39 |
| bnemec | Were we thinking that it's because there are no logs at all? | 19:40 |
| greghaynes | oh, no, theres a failure on f20 but an unrelated bug makes us get no logs for the seed in this certian failure condition | 19:40 |
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| greghaynes | so debugging the failure is basically impossible | 19:40 |
| greghaynes | http://logs.openstack.org/19/149819/3/check-tripleo/check-tripleo-ironic-overcloud-f20-nonha/3e39a48/ is an example of such a job | 19:40 |
| bnemec | And we don't have a working theory yet? | 19:41 |
| greghaynes | and the reason for no seed logs we have not determined to be that tar --exclude somefile causes tar to exit 1 if somefile does not exist, and we are --excluding a file that doesnt exist on these jobs | 19:42 |
| bnemec | Ah. | 19:42 |
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| bnemec | Maybe we should just touch that file before doing the tar. | 19:42 |
| greghaynes | im working on a patch for that atm (pretty easy), but well still have the f20 fail to fix once that goes in | 19:42 |
| greghaynes | yep | 19:42 |
| bnemec | Okay, cool | 19:43 |
| greghaynes | Any other comments about CI? Maybe other spurious failures I didnt mention | 19:43 |
| greghaynes | ooook | 19:45 |
| greghaynes | #topic Specs | 19:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:45 | |
| greghaynes | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tripleo-specs,n,z | 19:45 |
| greghaynes | looks like there are two specs to review, one which could maybe me merged but more +1's would be awesome (the selinux one) | 19:46 |
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| bnemec | Agreed. | 19:46 |
| greghaynes | I doubt theres any more comments on that... since theres only two specs | 19:47 |
| greghaynes | #topic open discussoin | 19:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussoin (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:48 | |
| greghaynes | #action Everyone read the mid-cycle agenda and add/comment on what we have! | 19:48 |
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| greghaynes | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-tripleo-midcycle-meetup | 19:48 |
| pcm_ | Had a question related to OoO if folks could entertain... | 19:49 |
| greghaynes | sure! | 19:49 |
| pcm_ | Have a private OpenStack cloud that I'm trying to spin up two VMs and a connecting network. | 19:49 |
| greghaynes | aaand looks like etherpad.o.o is down, so maybe dont go editing the agenda right now ;) | 19:49 |
| pcm_ | Want to run DevStack on each of the two VMs and test VPNaaS between them. | 19:50 |
| pcm_ | WIth VBOX, I would just have a L2 net, and the devstack would create a br-ex with and IP on the public net and eth1 in that bridge. | 19:50 |
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| pcm_ | However, with OS, I'm having problems trying to do the interconnecting network in this manner. | 19:50 |
| pcm_ | Is it possible? | 19:51 |
| greghaynes | Are you using tripleo to do this? | 19:51 |
| pcm_ | No. Mostly because I don't know how, and am constrained by the undercloud that I have to use. | 19:51 |
| pcm_ | But, I was wondering if OoO has tackled the same issue. | 19:52 |
| pcm_ | Two VMs running openstack, talking over a network that was created on the undercloud. | 19:52 |
| bnemec | We don't run our vms on OpenStack (yet...) | 19:53 |
| bnemec | They're created directly with virsh. | 19:53 |
| pcm_ | I can put IPs on eth1 and ping, so connectivity works, but if I add eth1 into br-ex to run DevStack, I loose connectivity. | 19:53 |
| pcm_ | bnemec: Ah. | 19:54 |
| greghaynes | or are actual baremetal for a prod deployment | 19:54 |
| bnemec | Well, that too. :-) | 19:54 |
| bnemec | pcm_: Yeah, it's a little tricky running OpenStack nested in itself. | 19:54 |
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| pcm_ | bnemec: Is it possible? | 19:54 |
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| bnemec | Neutron locks down even private networks pretty hard, so if the traffic it sees coming from a vm isn't exactly what it expects it blocks it. | 19:54 |
| greghaynes | this sounds similar to the multinode devstack testing deal | 19:55 |
| bnemec | pcm_: The only way I've gotten it to work is hacking up Neutron to allow more traffic. | 19:55 |
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| bnemec | Which may not be the only way, but it's what I've got. | 19:55 |
| greghaynes | where they just made a gre tunnel to make an l2 between the nodes | 19:55 |
| * bnemec is not a networking expert | 19:55 | |
| pcm_ | bnemec: Yeah, that's what I seem to be seeing. If I move the IP to br-ex and swap macs, I can ping the br-ex, but not anything else (like the public IP of the Neutron router). | 19:55 |
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| pcm_ | greghaynes: Maybe I can explore that. I essentially want a L2 network between the VMs. | 19:56 |
| greghaynes | yep, thats what they did. Its less than ideal obviously (tubes inside of tubes) but technically should work | 19:56 |
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| greghaynes | also one gotcha they ran into was that nova sets ebtables rules | 19:57 |
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| greghaynes | might make sure youre not running into that if youre seing packets not get where they should be going | 19:57 |
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| greghaynes | ok, I think meeting time is basically up | 19:58 |
| pcm_ | greghaynes: Thanks. I'll ping others here that (hopefully) know how to setup GRE tunnels and give it a try. | 19:58 |
| pcm_ | thanks all! | 19:58 |
| greghaynes | pcm_: np | 19:58 |
| greghaynes | Thanks for attending all | 19:58 |
| greghaynes | #endmeeting | 19:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 27 19:58:40 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-01-27-19.17.html | 19:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-01-27-19.17.txt | 19:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-01-27-19.17.log.html | 19:58 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 27 21:01:46 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 21:01 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2015-01-27_2100_UTC Our Agenda | 21:02 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 21:02 |
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| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 21:02 |
| muralia | murali allada | 21:02 |
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| datsun180b | Ed Cranford | 21:02 |
| devkulkarni | devdatta kulkarni | 21:02 |
| roshanagr1 | Roshan Agrawal | 21:02 |
| gpilz | Gilbert Pilz | 21:02 |
| james_li | james li | 21:02 |
| adrian_otto | it's good to see all of you! | 21:03 |
| datsun180b | full house today? | 21:04 |
| adrian_otto | I think we have a quorum | 21:05 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 21:05 |
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| dimtruck | Dimitry Ushakov | 21:05 |
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| adrian_otto | welcome dimtruck | 21:05 |
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| akshayc | Akshay Chhajed | 21:05 |
| dimtruck | thanks! | 21:05 |
| adrian_otto | adrian_otto away on 2015-02-17 for family vacation. I will be travelling. Should we skip our team meeting that day, or assign a pro-tem chair? | 21:05 |
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| dimtruck | i volunteer devkulkarni so that we can keep going :) | 21:06 |
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| datsun180b | second | 21:06 |
| devkulkarni | sounds good to me | 21:06 |
| adrian_otto | hah, ok | 21:06 |
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| adrian_otto | #agreed we will meet on 2015-02017 with @devkulkarni as our chair during adrian_otto's planned absense | 21:07 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 21:07 |
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| adrian_otto | so, with respect to Mistral, it turns out that there is a tagged release that we might be able to pin to: | 21:07 |
| akshayc | ohh ok…. | 21:07 |
| adrian_otto | #link http://tarballs.openstack.org/mistral/mistral-2015.1.0b1.tar.gz Most Recent Mistral Release | 21:08 |
| adrian_otto | we could download that bundle from that URL, and have confidence that our mistral functionality will remain working regardless of changes int he mistral codebase | 21:08 |
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| adrian_otto | can anyone think of any reason why this would not solve our concern? | 21:09 |
| adrian_otto | If not, I can open a bug ticket for this, and consider this action item resolved. | 21:09 |
| datsun180b | sounds good to me | 21:09 |
| akshayc | we will have to change our build | 21:09 |
| akshayc | generally we clone from repo | 21:09 |
| adrian_otto | yes, that would need to be adjusted | 21:09 |
| akshayc | moving to newer version would have to manual too | 21:10 |
| adrian_otto | so it instead uses the content of this tarball | 21:10 |
| adrian_otto | yes | 21:10 |
| adrian_otto | and if we find that users of Solum like using the Pipeline resource to do custom workflows, then it makes sense to see about leveraging newer features | 21:10 |
| akshayc | ok | 21:11 |
| adrian_otto | another approach might be to use the nightly tarball from http://tarballs.openstack.org/mistral/mistral-2015.1.0b1.tar.gz by default, and have a way to easily change that to another one if that becomes problematic. | 21:11 |
| adrian_otto | but that can be discussed in the bug ticket | 21:12 |
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| akshayc | we could try that…. but good to have a known stable….. | 21:12 |
| akshayc | in that case we could use the earlier tarball | 21:12 |
| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to open a bug ticket to allow for pinning mistral to a version that is known to pass gate. | 21:13 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Same-host check for plans | 21:13 |
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| adrian_otto | Excerpt from #solum from datson180b: 1. if we only want same-host plans, why not just switch to a name-or-uuid scheme for plans 2. if we accept planfiles from elsewhere (how can we refer to plans that don't live in our db?) then why bother registering the plans ahead of time at all since the first thing to be done is to parse that planfile into a plan. The way i see it either that same-host check needs to go or | 21:13 |
| datsun180b | wahey that's me | 21:13 |
| adrian_otto | sorry for the incorrect spelling of datsun180b | 21:14 |
| datsun180b | nbd | 21:14 |
| adrian_otto | gpilz: I am interested in your input on this topic | 21:14 |
| gpilz | why can't we support both? | 21:14 |
| gpilz | so you can create an assembly from either a local plan or a remote plan | 21:15 |
| adrian_otto | I think that the name of a plan obviously needs to be in our Solum database, but the URI for fetching it should be allowed from elsewhere if the site configuration allows for it | 21:15 |
| gpilz | if local you can use a (local) URI or, as a shortcut, just the UUID | 21:15 |
| datsun180b | so once it's fetched, where's it live? | 21:15 |
| adrian_otto | we should not have a hard coded prohibition of remotely hosted plan resources. | 21:15 |
| datsun180b | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1401272 | 21:15 |
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| datsun180b | btw | 21:15 |
| gpilz | locally | 21:16 |
| gpilz | you make a copy | 21:16 |
| gpilz | hmmmm | 21:16 |
| datsun180b | that's what POST http://solum/plans/ is for | 21:16 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1401272 Assembly creation with plan uuid | 21:16 |
| adrian_otto | that will need to be resolved, and allow creation by uuid prior to solving the remote plan question | 21:17 |
| datsun180b | i don't think anyone will complain about being able to create assemblies in one step though so there's that | 21:17 |
| datsun180b | technically we only do creating by uuid at present anyway | 21:17 |
| datsun180b | we just require that the uuid look like a uri | 21:17 |
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| gpilz | I'm sort of torn between what is logically possible and what is generally practical (wish Alex H were here) | 21:18 |
| adrian_otto | but yes, in general you fetch the plan, extract the relevant bits, and store them in solum as a plan resource | 21:18 |
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| akshayc | we will also need some way of versioning, if we have a remote plan…. | 21:18 |
| akshayc | some update which may not work | 21:18 |
| datsun180b | plans are required to bear a version key at the top level | 21:18 |
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| gpilz | we need to be careful to distinguish between plan *files* and plan *resources* | 21:18 |
| datsun180b | gpilz: +1000 | 21:18 |
| adrian_otto | agreed! | 21:19 |
| datsun180b | i think that's where the confusion starts | 21:19 |
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| adrian_otto | plan files should eb allowed remotely | 21:19 |
| adrian_otto | plan resources are local. | 21:19 |
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| gpilz | fetching a plan *file* from a remote location should be no different than POSTing the contents of the plan file in the message body | 21:19 |
| gpilz | adrian +1 | 21:19 |
| adrian_otto | +1 | 21:19 |
| datsun180b | i'm looking to add an update function to plans so they can be piecemeal changed as needs change | 21:19 |
| datsun180b | soon (tm) | 21:19 |
| adrian_otto | datsun180b: an ideal architecture for that is to have a history structure so you can walk through previous versions as well | 21:20 |
| datsun180b | sure | 21:20 |
| adrian_otto | that could be implemented on an SCM for simplicity of implementation | 21:20 |
| gpilz | datsun180b - I recommend HTTP PATCH with a JSON Patch payload | 21:20 |
| gpilz | i've got that working in my latest update | 21:20 |
| datsun180b | nice | 21:20 |
| adrian_otto | but you'd need a resource for history of those artifacts, as well as a pointer to the current one | 21:20 |
| datsun180b | the alternate would be PUT i'd think | 21:20 |
| adrian_otto | that way references to entities created from a previous version can continue to reference what they were derived from | 21:21 |
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| gpilz | PUT processing is, in my opinion, much harder to implement | 21:21 |
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| akshayc | would references like com.openstack/solum:latest or localhost/solum:latest work? | 21:22 |
| akshayc | similar to docker? | 21:22 |
| akshayc | _similar_ | 21:22 |
| adrian_otto | that's called a weak relation | 21:22 |
| datsun180b | so it sounds like the same-host requirement for plans should go, and in doing so we should actually _parse_ the contents of the provided document as a planfile | 21:22 |
| adrian_otto | and that's generally a bad idea | 21:23 |
| akshayc | ok…. | 21:23 |
| adrian_otto | I'd much rather have explicit references in an application model. | 21:23 |
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| adrian_otto | you can use weak relations for things like the launch environment for an app when you know it will not matter | 21:23 |
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| adrian_otto | but not in a REST model for expressing the metadata about an app | 21:24 |
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| akshayc | ok…. | 21:24 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, so it seems we have enough alignment on this to carry this discussion on in the contest of bug comments | 21:24 |
| adrian_otto | should we move along, or is there more to cover on this topic? | 21:25 |
| datsun180b | i think that bug should ascend to a feature | 21:25 |
| adrian_otto | s/contest/context/ | 21:25 |
| adrian_otto | yes, it will be a task marked as Importance = wishlist | 21:25 |
| adrian_otto | and thus will not be considered a defect. | 21:26 |
| datsun180b | sounds good to me | 21:26 |
| adrian_otto | thanks for raising the flag on this one, datsun180b | 21:26 |
| datsun180b | credit goes mainly to mkam, glad we could get it into the sunshine | 21:26 |
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| adrian_otto | thanks mkam! | 21:27 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Plan to get Ravi's Bash-to-Python code in mainline tree | 21:27 |
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| adrian_otto | Current status is available in the comments of https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1302552 | 21:27 |
| mkam | :) | 21:27 |
| adrian_otto | thoughts/remarks on this? | 21:27 |
| devkulkarni | so recently ravips and I had a chat about this.. | 21:27 |
| devkulkarni | the latest on this is that — the code is kind of there.. but it needs to be rebased and tested | 21:27 |
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| devkulkarni | ravips does not have enough time to continue this at the moment. | 21:28 |
| devkulkarni | this is valuable work | 21:28 |
| datsun180b | agreed | 21:28 |
| adrian_otto | the referenced reviews are abandoned due to inactivity | 21:28 |
| devkulkarni | so we need some volunteer(s) to move this work forward | 21:28 |
| devkulkarni | right | 21:28 |
| datsun180b | the sooner we can pull those scripts into native code the better | 21:28 |
| muralia | +1 | 21:28 |
| devkulkarni | just wanted to bring it for today's discussion to see if any of | 21:29 |
| adrian_otto | does anyone have a few cycles to apply to this pursuit? | 21:29 |
| datsun180b | do we need to break it into smaller and lower-hanging steps that can be done incrementally? | 21:29 |
| devkulkarni | our new contributors want to help us on these patches | 21:29 |
| muralia | I can probably jump in and help in 2 weeks | 21:29 |
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| datsun180b | because "completely refactor and translate the business end of our project's hammer" is daunting | 21:29 |
| akshayc | i will give it a shot | 21:29 |
| devkulkarni | datsun180b: ravips has outlined steps that need to be completed | 21:29 |
| adrian_otto | akshayc: excellent! | 21:29 |
| devkulkarni | akshay: great | 21:29 |
| datsun180b | cool then | 21:30 |
| devkulkarni | feel free to ping me to chat about the current state of the work on the patches | 21:30 |
| devkulkarni | also please feel free to reach out to ravips | 21:30 |
| datsun180b | you know you can ask us anything in #solum, we'll do everything we can to help you | 21:30 |
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| akshayc | i will take a look | 21:30 |
| adrian_otto | akshayc, please visit https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1302552 and claim it as yours | 21:30 |
| devkulkarni | thanks akshayc! | 21:30 |
| akshayc | ya, sure | 21:30 |
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| akshayc | np ;) | 21:30 |
| adrian_otto | and if there is guidance we can offer, you, please let us know | 21:30 |
| akshayc | yep… i will reach out | 21:31 |
| adrian_otto | perfect. | 21:31 |
| akshayc | devkulkarni: ok | 21:31 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Blueprint/Task Review | 21:31 |
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| adrian_otto | are there tasks or features that can benefit from team discussion today? | 21:31 |
| gpilz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147652/ | 21:31 |
| datsun180b | apparently there's a fire underneath you needs putting out | 21:31 |
| gpilz | I don't understand what state this is in | 21:32 |
| adrian_otto | that review is actionable | 21:32 |
| adrian_otto | is there any reason we would not want to merge that right now? | 21:32 |
| datsun180b | oh you can ignore raxpaasci, he's confused and is being attended to presently | 21:32 |
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| datsun180b | +2+A'd | 21:32 |
| gpilz | there is no reason that i know of why this shouldn't be merged | 21:33 |
| adrian_otto | ok, merge is pending, thanks datsun180b | 21:33 |
| gpilz | awesome | 21:33 |
| adrian_otto | gpilz: LMK if that gets stuck for any reason, and I can help bird dog it through | 21:33 |
| datsun180b | now to watch it brave The Gauntlet | 21:33 |
| adrian_otto | any other work items for discussion today? | 21:33 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 21:34 |
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| adrian_otto | I wanted to thank all of you for voting in our election | 21:34 |
| adrian_otto | our mission of amending the bylaws was accomplished. | 21:34 |
| datsun180b | cool | 21:34 |
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| adrian_otto | we also have a new raft of directors on the OpenStack BoD | 21:35 |
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| adrian_otto | so I'm inspired to see how effective they will be now that we have unclogged a bylaws log jam | 21:35 |
| adrian_otto | The OpenStack Summit in Vancouver is coming up in a few months | 21:36 |
| akshayc | do stackforge projects come directly under openstack umbrella now? | 21:37 |
| adrian_otto | so if there is any chance you will attend, you may want to begin planning for that | 21:37 |
| adrian_otto | akshayc: good question | 21:37 |
| datsun180b | oh that's right, we're almost out of january again | 21:37 |
| adrian_otto | projects like this one are expected to become part of the openstack project namespace | 21:37 |
| adrian_otto | but there is no expectation of making it part of the integrated release tag | 21:37 |
| akshayc | ok…. | 21:38 |
| adrian_otto | the details of those discussions remain ongoing, as joint work between the OpenStack Technical Committee (TC) and the BoD | 21:38 |
| adrian_otto | there are technical concerns, and trademark concerns to rationalize with the new governance process | 21:38 |
| akshayc | ok…. | 21:39 |
| adrian_otto | the direction is not under dispute, only some details | 21:40 |
| adrian_otto | if you care about the trademark ramifications, you are encouraged to join the DefCore subcommittee of the BoD. Anyone can participate. | 21:40 |
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| akshayc | are we (solum) planning something for the summit? | 21:40 |
| adrian_otto | if you care about the technical implications, you are encouraged to join the TC governance meetings to share your views | 21:40 |
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| adrian_otto | akshayc: yes. I am planning to co-present with at least one other of the core group | 21:41 |
| adrian_otto | we will be showing new functionality we have added in the last release cycle, and will invite participation from interested developers | 21:41 |
| akshayc | ok…. | 21:42 |
| adrian_otto | I expect we will be in the Design Summit be matter of fact, and we may also be in the main Summit with a session as well | 21:42 |
| adrian_otto | if not, then we can release an updated video | 21:42 |
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| akshayc | hmmm ok….. | 21:43 |
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| adrian_otto | akshayc: is there a chance you may be using Solum in a production capacity before the Summit? | 21:44 |
| adrian_otto | if so, it might be worth proposing a session about your selection of Solum, how you use it, and what other options you considered. Chances are there are others in the OpenStack community who could benefit from what you learned in your evaluation process. | 21:45 |
| adrian_otto | I can't remember if there is a Case Studies track, but that would be a good place for a talk like that. | 21:46 |
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| akshayc | no…. i am individual contributor …. no affiliciations for now | 21:46 |
| adrian_otto | ok | 21:46 |
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| akshayc | case studies would be something good to have | 21:47 |
| datsun180b | definitely | 21:48 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, anything more before we wrap up today? | 21:49 |
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| datsun180b | call it | 21:50 |
| adrian_otto | thanks everyone for attending. Our next team meeting will be 2015-02-03 at 2100 UTC. | 21:50 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 21:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 27 21:50:46 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-01-27-21.01.html | 21:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-01-27-21.01.txt | 21:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-01-27-21.01.log.html | 21:50 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting containers | 22:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 27 22:01:32 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 22:01 |
| jay-lau-513 | jay | 22:01 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2015-01-27_2200_UTC Our Agenda | 22:01 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 22:02 |
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| adrian_otto | hi jay | 22:02 |
| apmelton_ | Andrew | 22:02 |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 22:02 |
| hongbin | Hongbin Lu | 22:02 |
| achanda | Abhishek Chanda | 22:02 |
| sdake | o/ | 22:02 |
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| yuanying-alt | yuanying | 22:03 |
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| pradk | o/ | 22:03 |
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| adrian_otto | Welcome everyone! ok, let's begin! (feel free to chime in at any time to be recoded in attendance today, if you have not yet) | 22:04 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 22:04 |
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| adrian_otto | (1) Last week we announced our first release of Magnum | 22:04 |
| adrian_otto | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-January/054848.html Magnum Release Announcement | 22:04 |
| adrian_otto | congratulations to the team, and special thanks to everyone who contributed. | 22:05 |
| sdake | most people already know, but I am headed to Cisco February 2nd :) | 22:05 |
| adrian_otto | I also put it on my blog with a bit more information about who contributed | 22:05 |
| adrian_otto | (2) sdake new job! | 22:05 |
| sdake | yay :) | 22:05 |
| adrian_otto | congratulations sdake | 22:05 |
| achanda | congrats sdake :) | 22:05 |
| jay-lau-513 | congrats sdake | 22:05 |
| pradk | yay! :) | 22:05 |
| hongbin | congrats | 22:05 |
| yuanying-alt | congrats!! | 22:06 |
| adrian_otto | remember to patch stakalytics when your affiliation changes. there is a JSON file that you can tweak with your end date. | 22:06 |
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| adrian_otto | (3) adrian_otto will be away on vacation on 2015-02-17. Would someone like to volunteer to chair our team meeting that day? It will be a 1600 UTC meeting. | 22:07 |
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| sdake | yup | 22:07 |
| adrian_otto | I have not yet recorded it on our Meetings wiki, so I will add that for us | 22:07 |
| adrian_otto | thanks sdake | 22:07 |
| sdake | oh I wa sssyaing yup to json | 22:07 |
| sdake | but I'll be happy to chair | 22:07 |
| adrian_otto | oh, | 22:08 |
| adrian_otto | ok, sorry | 22:08 |
| sdake | no sweat | 22:08 |
| adrian_otto | thanks for agreeing | 22:08 |
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| adrian_otto | #agreed sdake will serve as chair on 2015-02-17 during adrian_otto's planned absence. | 22:08 |
| adrian_otto | Note we have a planned release on 2015-02-16. | 22:09 |
| adrian_otto | so I will find time to touch down and tag a release for us | 22:09 |
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| adrian_otto | I'll be sure to coordinate with those of you present that day in #openstack-containers. I will remind you again in a future team meeting. | 22:09 |
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| adrian_otto | (3) Mid-Cycle Meetup Planning - New Dates | 22:10 |
| adrian_otto | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-January/054053.html Call for Feedback | 22:10 |
| adrian_otto | New dates added: http://doodle.com/ddgsptuex5u3394m | 22:10 |
| adrian_otto | the dates we have are too contested by scheduling constraints | 22:10 |
| adrian_otto | so I have proposed two new dates. | 22:10 |
| adrian_otto | if there is an 80%+ chance you can attend a mid-cycle meetup in San Francisco, please be sure to fill out the poll *again* | 22:11 |
| adrian_otto | I will continue to add dates until we can find something workable. | 22:11 |
| adrian_otto | any more announcements form team members before we advance topics? | 22:12 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Expectations for M2 | 22:12 |
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| adrian_otto | the purpose of this topic is to make sure we are in agreement for the top priorities for our next release milestone | 22:13 |
| adrian_otto | here are the top three themes that I suggest we focus on: | 22:13 |
| adrian_otto | (1) Adding multi-tenancy | 22:13 |
| adrian_otto | (2) Expanding test coverage | 22:13 |
| adrian_otto | (3) Adding Features and Capabilities | 22:13 |
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| adrian_otto | there is actually more proposed in blueprints than we can reasonably expect to finish on one release milestone, so we will likely move some ahead into a future milestone | 22:14 |
| adrian_otto | but those fall into the #3 bucket. | 22:14 |
| adrian_otto | my rationale for putting multi-tenancy at the top of the list, is that's one of the key differentiators that makes Magnum compelling versus just tying the various bits together yourself | 22:15 |
| adrian_otto | so I'd like to get that right, and get that in soon | 22:15 |
| adrian_otto | we talked about test coverage early on, and have already made significant progress on that | 22:15 |
| sdake | we are up to 70% unit test coverage which is heroic | 22:15 |
| sdake | (we started at 0%) :) | 22:15 |
| sdake | 85-90% is a good target tho | 22:16 |
| adrian_otto | 80+% brings us to par with other projects in the OpenStack ecosystem | 22:16 |
| sdake | ya typical projects are 85% | 22:16 |
| adrian_otto | I agree that a 90% aspiration is great | 22:16 |
| apmelton_ | agreed | 22:16 |
| adrian_otto | further on this topic…. | 22:16 |
| hongbin | Now I am writing tests for api | 22:17 |
| adrian_otto | I will no longer me making anything with a +2 unless it has unit tests. | 22:17 |
| hongbin | I may need help for the conductor | 22:17 |
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| adrian_otto | so expect to see "-1 need tests" if you are not doing tdd | 22:17 |
| adrian_otto | (if you forget to add tests in the work you submit) | 22:17 |
| sdake | agree, we shouldn't ack stuff unless it has tests (unless its a doc change) | 22:17 |
| adrian_otto | yes, non code changes are different | 22:17 |
| adrian_otto | changes to a requirements.txt file are different | 22:17 |
| adrian_otto | but if you are adding python code, I expect tests. | 22:18 |
| adrian_otto | then finally , the #3 theme is features | 22:18 |
| adrian_otto | this is our chance to take a ton of very compelling features that our various components offer, and be able to surface them | 22:18 |
| adrian_otto | the good news is that several of these features are T-shirt size small to add | 22:19 |
| adrian_otto | so I have edited all blueprints that are pending start to add a size estimate | 22:19 |
| adrian_otto | so please update blueprints accordingly in the whiteboard to replace my "please add a T-shirt size" remark. | 22:20 |
| adrian_otto | does this request sound reasonable? | 22:20 |
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| sdake | yup | 22:20 |
| jay-lau-513 | yes | 22:20 |
| adrian_otto | ok, if you disagree with this approach, you are welcome to voice a different opinion, or discuss with me privately | 22:20 |
| adrian_otto | the reasoning here, is that we might have some features that have low impact, and large shirt size | 22:21 |
| adrian_otto | and those are candidates for deferral | 22:21 |
| adrian_otto | and we may have ones that are high impact and small size that we should expedite | 22:21 |
| adrian_otto | ok. | 22:21 |
| adrian_otto | any more thoughts on the guiding themes for this release? | 22:21 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, that brings us to our next topic… | 22:22 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Blueprint/Task Review | 22:22 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/milestone-2 M2 Blueprints | 22:22 |
| adrian_otto | these are all the blueprints currently in play for M2 | 22:22 |
| adrian_otto | this is subject to change | 22:22 |
| adrian_otto | today, I adjusted almost all of them to discussion state | 22:22 |
| adrian_otto | the ones that were obviously already in progress should continue unchanges | 22:23 |
| adrian_otto | s/unchanges/unchanged/ | 22:23 |
| adrian_otto | the ones marked as Dicussion should be sized, and I will work with you to approve each | 22:23 |
| adrian_otto | I'd like a sense of confidence that this work is achievable in the allotted time | 22:24 |
| adrian_otto | and if not, we will define additional milestones, and group them accordingly. | 22:24 |
| adrian_otto | questions on any of these? | 22:24 |
| sdake | we should bounce autoscale-bay | 22:24 |
| adrian_otto | We can spend some time talking about a few | 22:24 |
| sdake | that will be hard, and no owner | 22:24 |
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| adrian_otto | sdake: yes | 22:24 |
| adrian_otto | that was at the top of my list for deferral | 22:24 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I'll adjust that one | 22:24 |
| sdake | I think https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/ironic-heat-template will take two mini-cycles | 22:25 |
| sdake | eg, milestone #2 and milestone #3 to finish | 22:25 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, any others to discuss now? | 22:26 |
| adrian_otto | ok, ironic-heat-template | 22:26 |
| apmelton_ | docker backend one could be large as well | 22:26 |
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| apmelton_ | if it involves new heat templates | 22:26 |
| sdake | agree docker backend needs to be broken into more then one blueprint | 22:26 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I will take that as an action | 22:27 |
| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to break https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-docker-backend-selection into multiple blueprints | 22:27 |
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| adrian_otto | sdake: how do you suggest we plan ironic-heat-template? Should we break it up as well? | 22:28 |
| adrian_otto | does it have clean opportunity for division? | 22:28 |
| sdake | possible, I really don't know what it involves | 22:28 |
| sdake | ithink it will take a cycle to prototype and identif ythe work | 22:28 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so maybe we need a research task on that | 22:28 |
| adrian_otto | and we can link that to the BP while we decide how to target it | 22:29 |
| sdake | ya, I assume that is what yuanying is working towards (prototype) | 22:29 |
| yuanying-alt | yes | 22:29 |
| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to follow up with yuanying about ironic-heat-template | 22:29 |
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| adrian_otto | yes == it can be split? | 22:29 |
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| yuanying-alt | I'm working towards prototype. | 22:30 |
| adrian_otto | ok, got it | 22:30 |
| yuanying-alt | maybe, but I can't be split it | 22:30 |
| adrian_otto | please give some thought to what work items we can divide it into | 22:30 |
| sdake | one thing that can come out as a separate work item is putting an l2/l3 agent in a container to run on the host | 22:31 |
| adrian_otto | or, if it's something you are confident we will complete in a week or two, then there is no need to split it | 22:31 |
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| adrian_otto | no pressure on that for now, just give it some thought, and let's follow up on it when you are ready. | 22:32 |
| adrian_otto | any other features that should be elevated or deferred? | 22:32 |
| hongbin | One thing is | 22:32 |
| hongbin | Writing magnum container-create to the guide | 22:33 |
| hongbin | I think this is important | 22:33 |
| sdake | that goes under the general goal of docs I think | 22:33 |
| hongbin | since users may need to play with container | 22:33 |
| hongbin | k | 22:33 |
| sdake | we probably need a blueprint which identifies the docs we intend to write | 22:33 |
| adrian_otto | we should have a blueprint for docs that is scoped to things in this coming release | 22:33 |
| adrian_otto | yes, agreed | 22:33 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I will open that one as well | 22:34 |
| sdake | I think it makes sense to copy whatever docs the ironic cats figured they needed to write | 22:34 |
| sdake | since they just went through incubation | 22:34 |
| sdake | and that should be teh "bare minimum" documentation needed from an incubation perspective | 22:34 |
| sdake | eve nthough incubation is going away | 22:34 |
| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto open a blueprint on docs for things to write for use with M2 release | 22:34 |
| adrian_otto | sdake: yes, that would be a good guide | 22:34 |
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| adrian_otto | I will add that suggestion in the BP itself. | 22:35 |
| adrian_otto | jay-lau-513: I have a question for you in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/override-native-rest-port | 22:35 |
| adrian_otto | is that one actually Implemented? | 22:35 |
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| jay-lau-513 | the left task is we need update heat template to enable api server port | 22:35 |
| sdake | should udpate in larsks repo first | 22:36 |
| sdake | then cherry pick | 22:36 |
| jay-lau-513 | right | 22:36 |
| adrian_otto | ok, could you take a moment to update the whiteboard letting us know the remaining task(s) | 22:36 |
| sdake | speaking of that, larsks has some other improvements which need cherry picking | 22:36 |
| jay-lau-513 | sure | 22:36 |
| adrian_otto | if we have bug/wishlist tickets for those, link them too | 22:36 |
| adrian_otto | sdake: whoot | 22:36 |
| adrian_otto | tell us more | 22:36 |
| apmelton_ | I have a question about how we're handling the heat template | 22:36 |
| apmelton_ | is there a reason we went with cherry-picking it in versus a sub-repo? | 22:37 |
| sdake | I dont know the details of larsks updates | 22:37 |
| sdake | but his repo is straight forward enough to cherry pick the updates | 22:37 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I will open a bug/task on that as well | 22:37 |
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| sdake | apmelton_ shoot | 22:38 |
| apmelton_ | my question was just "is there a reason we went with cherry-picking it in versus a sub-repo?" | 22:38 |
| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to open a bug/task ticket for cherry-pick of updates in the larsks heat template code. | 22:38 |
| sdake | no good reason | 22:38 |
| sdake | how does a sub repo work | 22:39 |
| adrian_otto | KISS | 22:39 |
| sdake | ideally we don't want users to have to pull a secondary repository | 22:39 |
| apmelton_ | yea, I can't remember if you have to do anything after a git clone | 22:39 |
| apmelton_ | it may have required a second command like git sub-repo init | 22:39 |
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| apmelton_ | anyways, it's not a biggy | 22:39 |
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| adrian_otto | apmelton_: what would you view as the advantages (besides the number of git calls) | 22:39 |
| sdake | we wouldn't ideally have to cherry pick any longer | 22:40 |
| sdake | less maint burden | 22:40 |
| apmelton_ | yea, you'd just change the commit of the sub-repo, add it, and push that up | 22:40 |
| sdake | I want to make sure our users don't have to be git rocket scientists to use the rep otho :) | 22:40 |
| adrian_otto | but that would also form a dependency on that other repo | 22:40 |
| adrian_otto | so if it broke, out gates would start breaking | 22:40 |
| adrian_otto | s/out/our/ | 22:41 |
| sdake | agree merging it in our tree is better - ithink it needs to go somewhere besides "/etc" tho | 22:41 |
| jay-lau-513 | we will have ironic template later, do we need another repo too? do we need to set repo for all templates? | 22:41 |
| sdake | ie, magnum/magnum/teplates/fedora-atomic/* | 22:41 |
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| sdake | magnum/agnum/teplates/coreos | 22:41 |
| sdake | etc | 22:41 |
| jay-lau-513 | Merging to one repo make things simple for users except maintain work for devs | 22:42 |
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| sdake | git cherry-pick does most of the work, so might as well just use that imo :) | 22:42 |
| jay-lau-513 | yup | 22:42 |
| apmelton_ | so, it was just a thought on my side, if what we're doing works fine now, no sense in changing it minimal gains | 22:43 |
| adrian_otto | ok, thanks for raising it for discussion apmelton_ | 22:44 |
| jay-lau-513 | sure, apmelton_ | 22:44 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 22:44 |
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| adrian_otto | any other topics you'd like to cover today? | 22:45 |
| hongbin | I have a question | 22:45 |
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| adrian_otto | ok | 22:45 |
| hongbin | do we have any plan to integrate magnum to other openstack components? | 22:46 |
| hongbin | e.g. glance, horizon, etc | 22:46 |
| jay-lau-513 | does anyone proposed a topic related to magnum/container for the coming summit? | 22:46 |
| sdake | we should consider hirozn at some point | 22:46 |
| adrian_otto | horizon integration definitely should be in our plan | 22:46 |
| hongbin | k | 22:47 |
| adrian_otto | the glance integration is potentially very ambitious | 22:47 |
| sdake | so for ODS in May, will we have track space? | 22:47 |
| apmelton_ | adrian_otto: one thing we may want to consider is using glance to store the heat templates | 22:47 |
| adrian_otto | because it would amount to putting considerable bunches of new features into glance | 22:47 |
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| apmelton_ | I'm not sure if glance is still going toward the whole artifact storage instead of just images | 22:47 |
| adrian_otto | apmelton_: yes, that's one is definitely one we should plan for | 22:47 |
| adrian_otto | that's something we can check in on | 22:48 |
| jay-lau-513 | I recalled that heat team want to use swift to store templates, but not sure the status | 22:48 |
| adrian_otto | but I'd be reluctant to set an intent to integrate container images with glance without first brining glance stakeholders into the vision | 22:48 |
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| sdake | ya imo that is a discussion we can have later, af ter we have basic functional system | 22:49 |
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| apmelton_ | adrian_otto: at this point... I'd like to avoid it as we'd lose quite a bit of the benefits of the docker registry | 22:49 |
| adrian_otto | it's probably worth starting a mailing list thread to include both teams, and get input on our initial frame of reference | 22:49 |
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| adrian_otto | apmelton_: yes, that's my worry | 22:49 |
| sdake | ya email good - committing to implementing not ideal imo :) | 22:49 |
| hongbin | k | 22:49 |
| adrian_otto | it basically means re-implementing all the features of docker registry in glance | 22:50 |
| hongbin | make sence | 22:50 |
| adrian_otto | it's a discussion worth starting though | 22:50 |
| hongbin | another candidate is ceilometer | 22:50 |
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| adrian_otto | hongbin: tell us more about why | 22:50 |
| sdake | adrian_otto can you score us some track space at ODS? | 22:50 |
| sdake | eg a room for 2-4 hours would be ideal | 22:51 |
| adrian_otto | sdake: yes, certainly | 22:51 |
| sdake | if there is that much space available | 22:51 |
| sdake | I know space is tight | 22:51 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: ceilometer pull container metric | 22:51 |
| apmelton_ | ODS? | 22:51 |
| adrian_otto | for the purpose of chargeback accounting? | 22:51 |
| sdake | ODS = openstack developer summit | 22:51 |
| apmelton_ | ahhh | 22:51 |
| hongbin | sort of | 22:51 |
| adrian_otto | ODS is my new religion | 22:52 |
| jay-lau-513 | hongbin I think that we can possibly depend on cadvisor or cgroup | 22:52 |
| apmelton_ | hehe | 22:52 |
| adrian_otto | I'd like you all to join | 22:52 |
| adrian_otto | ;-) | 22:52 |
| jay-lau-513 | hongbin ceilometer is a bit heavy, might ;-) | 22:52 |
| hongbin | jay-lau-513 | 22:52 |
| hongbin | I agree :) | 22:52 |
| achanda | hongbin: do we have an usecase of someone looking to do metering or billing on magnum? | 22:52 |
| adrian_otto | wll, I want to be clear on what the motivation is for ceilometer as an integration point | 22:53 |
| achanda | IMHO ceilometer will make sense if that is true.. | 22:53 |
| apmelton_ | even if we don't directly integrate with ceilometer, I think we should have notifications | 22:53 |
| adrian_otto | it it for operational metrics, or usage accounting, or ?? | 22:53 |
| achanda | agreed | 22:53 |
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| sdake | we need ceilometer metrics in bays for autoscaling | 22:53 |
| jay-lau-513 | apmelton I like notifications | 22:53 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so that's operational in nature | 22:53 |
| achanda | sdake: ah yes | 22:54 |
| hongbin | achanda: no right now. But in general, our lab interests on monitoring container | 22:54 |
| jay-lau-513 | apmelton 3rd party might want to integrate with magnum and notificaiton is very important | 22:54 |
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| apmelton_ | jay-lau-513: agreed | 22:54 |
| adrian_otto | so events like container start, container stop, pause/resume, container delete | 22:54 |
| adrian_otto | notifications of those state change events | 22:55 |
| adrian_otto | and those could be consumed for whatever purpose | 22:55 |
| jay-lau-513 | adrian_otto yup, this can help some integration work | 22:55 |
| adrian_otto | that would be another potential point of differentiation for Magnum | 22:55 |
| jay-lau-513 | I add lots of notification in nova | 22:55 |
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| adrian_otto | to potentially make integrations like that much easier | 22:55 |
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| adrian_otto | this is a great topic to add to our mid-cycle discussion | 22:56 |
| adrian_otto | I will take an action for that | 22:56 |
| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to add ceilometer integration as a mid-cycle discussion topic. | 22:57 |
| adrian_otto | lots for me to follow up on! | 22:57 |
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| sdake | say re midcycle | 22:57 |
| adrian_otto | we should launch that as an ML topic too | 22:57 |
| sdake | do we have an agenda proposed | 22:57 |
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| adrian_otto | sdake: not yet | 22:57 |
| sdake | msybe we can make one via etherpad | 22:57 |
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| adrian_otto | as soon as we secure a date when we can get a quorum assembled, then we will contribute to an etherpad to set the agenda | 22:57 |
| sdake | sounds good | 22:58 |
| adrian_otto | and we can adapt it as needed | 22:58 |
| adrian_otto | ok, we are winding down to the end of our allocated time today | 22:58 |
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| adrian_otto | our next meeting will be 2015-02-03 at 1600 UTC. | 22:59 |
| adrian_otto | thanks everyone for attending today. I thought this was a really good meeitng. | 22:59 |
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| jay-lau-513 | thanks bye everyone | 22:59 |
| adrian_otto | see you next week, and in #openstack-containers until then. | 22:59 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 22:59 |
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| apmelton_ | o/ | 22:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 27 22:59:43 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-01-27-22.01.html | 22:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-01-27-22.01.txt | 22:59 |
| sdake | o/ | 22:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-01-27-22.01.log.html | 22:59 |
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