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| mrmartin | morning | 08:01 |
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| mrmartin | anyone here for ambassadors meeting? | 08:01 |
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| mrmartin | o/ | 08:02 |
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| marcelodieder | hi mrmartin | 08:03 |
| mrmartin | hi | 08:03 |
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| AndChat|677369 | hi | 08:03 |
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| mrmartin | AndChat|677369 hi | 08:03 |
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| mrmartin | #startmeeting ambassadors | 08:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 3 08:04:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mrmartin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ambassadors)" | 08:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ambassadors' | 08:04 |
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| mrmartin | so, I want to discuss two things first regarding the Vancouver Summit. | 08:04 |
| ozstacker | Hello Ambassadors! | 08:04 |
| AndChat|677369 | hello! | 08:04 |
| marcelodieder | Hello | 08:05 |
| mrmartin | during the weekend in the FOSDEM event, we prepared our ambassador session proposal | 08:05 |
| mrmartin | so if you have a little time, don't forget to review and comment that, so we can publish the final version on Feb 5 | 08:05 |
| ozstacker | Yes we shouldput one of these in for every summit. Perhaps we can just ask the Foundation to make allowance for that. | 08:05 |
| mrmartin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/meet-the-OpenStack-ambassadors-Vancouver | 08:06 |
| mrmartin | I hope all of us can visit the event. | 08:06 |
| ozstacker | I'll be there. Kavit too. | 08:06 |
| ozstacker | Michael is no longer an ambassador | 08:06 |
| mrmartin | The other I like to discuss, what you think about getting some more visibility on Vancouver | 08:06 |
| ozstacker | I think his PTL stuff is killing him! | 08:07 |
| marcelodieder | I will try go there | 08:07 |
| AndChat|677369 | me too. | 08:07 |
| mrmartin | ozstacker, do you know whether Michael is resigned as an Ambassador officialy? | 08:07 |
| mrmartin | because I know about Colin only. | 08:08 |
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| mrmartin | so, regarding the visibility we could create some Ambassador branded T-Shirt, or get some visibility on Badges like adding the Ambassador word similar to ATC | 08:09 |
| ozstacker | Yes Michael has. | 08:09 |
| mrmartin | ozstacker, have you seen some announcement on mailing list? | 08:10 |
| marcelodieder | I think is good | 08:10 |
| marcelodieder | We need update the ambassadors list | 08:10 |
| marcelodieder | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Community/AmbassadorProgram | 08:10 |
| mrmartin | I try to manage both the T-Shirt and Badge appearence with event organizer team. | 08:10 |
| mrmartin | marcelodieder, yes, but we cannot remove somebody without an official announcement of resignment. | 08:11 |
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| marcelodieder | yes, sure. | 08:11 |
| ozstacker | No. I was copied on an email to Tom where Michael asked if he could be "quietly removed" | 08:11 |
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| ozstacker | I may have deleted it. | 08:12 |
| mrmartin | #info check Michael Still's ambassador | 08:12 |
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| mrmartin | ozstacker, ok, I think nothing wrong with that if somebody resigns due some extra workload or other reason, but we need to communicate that at least with other ambassadors. | 08:12 |
| ozstacker | ping? | 08:13 |
| ozstacker | [7:12:55 PM] Tristan: Michael has withdrawn as an ambassador yeah? | 08:13 |
| ozstacker | [7:12:56 PM] Tom: Pong | 08:13 |
| ozstacker | [7:13:04 PM] Tom: Pretty much | 08:13 |
| mrmartin | ok. | 08:13 |
| mrmartin | ok. back to visibility on Summit | 08:14 |
| marcelodieder | OK, what is ohter subject? | 08:14 |
| marcelodieder | I have one. | 08:14 |
| mrmartin | so if we you agree with this T-Shirt and Badge thing, I can start to arrange that. | 08:14 |
| mrmartin | if we you / if we | 08:14 |
| ozstacker | Yeah | 08:14 |
| marcelodieder | I agree | 08:14 |
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| akira-y | yes! | 08:15 |
| ozstacker | We should have a mad t-shirt! | 08:15 |
| marcelodieder | is a good idea | 08:15 |
| mrmartin | #info Get some visibility on Vancouver summit, create T-Shirt and add the title to the Badge | 08:15 |
| ozstacker | And badge recognition. | 08:15 |
| akira-y | wow. | 08:15 |
| mrmartin | if we cannot manage an official print on the badge, I can bring some stickers and we can hack it :) | 08:15 |
| marcelodieder | :-) | 08:16 |
| ozstacker | I have sharpies, we can just write on stuff! #graffiti | 08:16 |
| ozstacker | Or a spray paint stencil and we can go round the expo booths tagging them! :-P | 08:17 |
| mrmartin | ozstacker: I think we can do it once, but then we miss the opportunity to visit Tokyo :D | 08:17 |
| ozstacker | :-D | 08:17 |
| ozstacker | But seriously.... | 08:17 |
| mrmartin | ok, back to meeting, marcelodieder, what you wanted to ask? | 08:18 |
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| marcelodieder | OK, do you can create the action to the bagdes and t-shirts? | 08:18 |
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| mrmartin | yeap | 08:19 |
| marcelodieder | so, next subject | 08:19 |
| marcelodieder | I created a survey to send to all leaders groups about stats to our meeting at Vancouver and Tokyo. | 08:19 |
| mrmartin | #action mrmartin discuss T-Shirt and Badge appearance with Summit organizer team | 08:19 |
| marcelodieder | https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1ssI6f3_L6ErcDkihoBlO32Za-OtU2xpfYlb9FXODXlY/edit | 08:20 |
| mrmartin | marcelodieder, statistics about what? | 08:20 |
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| marcelodieder | yes | 08:20 |
| marcelodieder | we can send to all groups | 08:20 |
| marcelodieder | and we can add others questions, if necessary | 08:20 |
| mrmartin | #link https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1ssI6f3_L6ErcDkihoBlO32Za-OtU2xpfYlb9FXODXlY/edit | 08:20 |
| mrmartin | marcelodieder it awesome, thank you | 08:20 |
| marcelodieder | what do you thing? | 08:20 |
| ozstacker | Yeah thats good. | 08:21 |
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| mrmartin | regarding the group sizes, we have a meetup data sync feature in groups portal, so it can collect membership information from those | 08:21 |
| mrmartin | groups who have meetup.com account. | 08:21 |
| mrmartin | it is doing a daily fetch of this data, and we can create very nice report from that. | 08:22 |
| ozstacker | cool | 08:22 |
| mrmartin | and of course, we can group the data by continent, region, etc. | 08:22 |
| marcelodieder | Yes, we can add this with the others stats | 08:22 |
| marcelodieder | great | 08:22 |
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| marcelodieder | I only thing at this moment, maybe we can need manual stats | 08:23 |
| mrmartin | but your survey is great, so if we agree, we can send out this form to group leaders. | 08:23 |
| ozstacker | I agree | 08:23 |
| akira-y | yes. | 08:23 |
| mrmartin | ok | 08:23 |
| marcelodieder | because maybe not all groups have already registered | 08:23 |
| marcelodieder | I will share with you | 08:24 |
| mrmartin | exactly, currently we have just some estimated number due missing data | 08:24 |
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| ozstacker | I think we need to engage the Foundation here. | 08:24 |
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| mrmartin | how? | 08:24 |
| ozstacker | To take a more hands on role in helping us promote and recognise groups out there. | 08:25 |
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| mrmartin | what you think, sending out a marketing email on global mailing list for example? | 08:25 |
| ozstacker | We're doing all this as ambassadors. The Foundation needs to support us with tweet/blog/recognition of the efforts | 08:25 |
| mrmartin | ozstacker, you can register your blog on planet.openstack.org, it is very visible | 08:26 |
| ozstacker | We can do much, but the weight of persuasion lies with the recognised channels | 08:26 |
| mrmartin | but I agree, some twitter / email promotion can be great | 08:26 |
| ozstacker | Yeah we've bene on that for ages. | 08:26 |
| marcelodieder | yes, I agree | 08:27 |
| marcelodieder | but we need make more actions also | 08:27 |
| mrmartin | we need a deadline for this survey data collection | 08:27 |
| mrmartin | march 1? | 08:27 |
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| marcelodieder | maybe the start of group page is good to promote also | 08:27 |
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| ozstacker | yes | 08:27 |
| marcelodieder | yes, I thing is good | 08:27 |
| mrmartin | marcelodieder, yeap, Stefano will write an article on superuser magazine | 08:28 |
| akira-y | good. | 08:28 |
| mrmartin | I meet with him personally during the weekend in Brussels. | 08:28 |
| mrmartin | so this part is on track. | 08:28 |
| ozstacker | Everything we do needs some Foundation promotion. To my mind I can only think of one blog post by Tom that has even mentioned the ambassador program. | 08:28 |
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| marcelodieder | mrmartin great. do you know when? | 08:28 |
| mrmartin | marcelodieder: I don't know the exact date, I've talked with him about this on sunday afternoon. | 08:29 |
| ozstacker | If we're to get our goals out there we need the Foundation's support. | 08:29 |
| mrmartin | but it is in his backlog. | 08:29 |
| marcelodieder | mrmartin ok | 08:29 |
| marcelodieder | So, I need update your email google to add to the survey | 08:30 |
| mrmartin | #action ambassadors send out marcelo's user survey to group leaders and get feedbacks until march 1. | 08:30 |
| ozstacker | We got 2 board members in the ambassadors now too :-) Kavit and I will put the ambassador program and its goals on the agenda for the NY meeting in early March! | 08:30 |
| mrmartin | ozstacker, yes I know, so it is fantastic opportunity for us | 08:30 |
| mrmartin | and Sean is very active. | 08:30 |
| ozstacker | Oh yeah we have 3 | 08:31 |
| ozstacker | Sorry I forgot Sean! | 08:31 |
| marcelodieder | is very good | 08:31 |
| mrmartin | :) | 08:31 |
| marcelodieder | :0 | 08:31 |
| mrmartin | so we can conquer the board | 08:31 |
| ozstacker | Yes | 08:31 |
| mrmartin | ok I want to share a few info about the portal | 08:31 |
| ozstacker | Apologies - I have to run guys. | 08:32 |
| mrmartin | ozstacker, thank you, have a nice day! | 08:32 |
| ozstacker | Cheers bye | 08:32 |
| marcelodieder | bye | 08:32 |
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| akira-y | bye | 08:32 |
| mrmartin | so, I'm rolling out the new release, it contains an enabled localization, so now everyone can to translate the UI to his own language | 08:32 |
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| marcelodieder | mrmartin great | 08:33 |
| marcelodieder | how many groups leaders we already have registered? | 08:33 |
| mrmartin | it contains a fine-tuned data-sync option, so we can gather information from meetup.com, actually it is collecting the membership number | 08:33 |
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| mrmartin | and I can add ambassador / community manager to profiles | 08:33 |
| marcelodieder | ok, only to finish the survey. | 08:34 |
| mrmartin | and working on to integrate this info with the openstack.org profile. | 08:34 |
| marcelodieder | I will send a mail to ambassadors to send the survey to theirs groups | 08:34 |
| mrmartin | marcelodieder. great thanks | 08:34 |
| marcelodieder | need to make sure that all groups will receive the survey | 08:35 |
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| mrmartin | we have around 14 members on the portal, so need to work on bringing in the group leaders too. | 08:35 |
| marcelodieder | or I can send to all groups | 08:35 |
| mrmartin | need to push through this review to get a full backup there: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/146126/ | 08:36 |
| marcelodieder | what do you think? | 08:36 |
| mrmartin | I think all ambassador can send to his own group | 08:36 |
| marcelodieder | OK, I agree | 08:37 |
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| mrmartin | and maybe we need a spreadsheet somewhere to check the status about survey feedbacks | 08:37 |
| marcelodieder | yes, good idea | 08:37 |
| mrmartin | or we can use the one, that was made by Tom to track the official group status | 08:38 |
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| mrmartin | or make a similar one to track the status | 08:39 |
| marcelodieder | yes | 08:39 |
| marcelodieder | we have two | 08:39 |
| marcelodieder | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AjQnDbrPrXMHAJqdT-u0GNZK6ASlytP6an7orOaiUQs/edit#gid=0 | 08:39 |
| marcelodieder | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArysOOuLgF_PdGQ0WXpSYWVOTTJTVVVWUmdNTXhweFE&usp=drive_web#gid=2 | 08:40 |
| mrmartin | ye and it is called Official User Group something | 08:40 |
| mrmartin | can be a bit confusing | 08:40 |
| mrmartin | I'll create a new one | 08:40 |
| mrmartin | if you agree | 08:40 |
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| marcelodieder | or this | 08:40 |
| marcelodieder | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArysOOuLgF_PdFBTUThxcXExUjNZODdMdmJUcmlYd2c&usp=drive_web#gid=0 | 08:40 |
| marcelodieder | we can use this | 08:40 |
| marcelodieder | because already have the ambassador and contacts | 08:41 |
| mrmartin | it is a bit outdated I guess | 08:41 |
| mrmartin | I can get the contacts from the portal. | 08:41 |
| marcelodieder | yes... | 08:41 |
| marcelodieder | ok, better | 08:41 |
| marcelodieder | I agree | 08:41 |
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| mrmartin | #action mrmartin create and share google spreadsheet about survey feedback status and groups.o.o organizer / ambassador registration | 08:41 |
| marcelodieder | you can send me thist week to added with the email to all ambassadors? | 08:42 |
| mrmartin | yes | 08:42 |
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| marcelodieder | ok I will wait | 08:42 |
| mrmartin | The actual up-to date data source for groups is this: | 08:42 |
| mrmartin | #link https://github.com/openstack-infra/groups-static-pages/blob/master/groups.json | 08:42 |
| mrmartin | until we won't move every group leaders into the portal. | 08:43 |
| marcelodieder | ok | 08:43 |
| mrmartin | another topic came up during the weekend | 08:43 |
| mrmartin | we need to get an available speaker list somehow that we can share with groups | 08:44 |
| mrmartin | #topic speaker list | 08:44 |
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| mrmartin | I see two options here | 08:44 |
| mrmartin | as I know during the Paris Summit, there was an option to fill-in this information during the registration | 08:45 |
| mrmartin | so it means, we have some database somewhere inside the openstack.org portal, and maybe the marketing knows more about this | 08:45 |
| mrmartin | or as an alternative, if it won't work, we can start to collect this data ourselfs. | 08:45 |
| marcelodieder | yes I think we can add thist list | 08:46 |
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| marcelodieder | and we can create our list | 08:46 |
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| mrmartin | or we can start with the original list from Foundation db, and extend it later with additional data. | 08:47 |
| marcelodieder | yes | 08:47 |
| marcelodieder | maybe Stef cad help with this list | 08:47 |
| mrmartin | ok, than first I'll ask from marketing, maybe they know more | 08:47 |
| mrmartin | yes, I had a discussion with Stef about this topic. | 08:48 |
| marcelodieder | ok | 08:48 |
| mrmartin | #action mrmartin asks Foundation marketing about the speaker list. | 08:48 |
| marcelodieder | Ohh, ok. great | 08:48 |
| marcelodieder | other subject? | 08:48 |
| mrmartin | I don't have more actually, it is enough until next meeting | 08:49 |
| marcelodieder | ok. | 08:49 |
| mrmartin | need to more active on ML to share information with others who cannot visit the IRC meeting. | 08:49 |
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| mrmartin | and it is important to send out notification about meeting dates one-or two day before. | 08:50 |
| mrmartin | ok. | 08:50 |
| marcelodieder | yes, I think we can send email at every meeting to our list | 08:50 |
| mrmartin | #topic next meeting dates | 08:50 |
| mrmartin | ok | 08:50 |
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| mrmartin | when will be the next two meetings? | 08:50 |
| marcelodieder | with the subjects what we talked | 08:50 |
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| mrmartin | next week's Friday, at 18.00GMT ? | 08:51 |
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| marcelodieder | I think, based on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings#OpenStack_Ambassadors_Meeting | 08:52 |
| akira-y | 3am in japan. ... | 08:52 |
| mrmartin | yeap, but the next will be on the week after on Tuesday | 08:52 |
| marcelodieder | is next 13 and 17 Feb | 08:52 |
| mrmartin | so we can cover but large time-zones | 08:52 |
| mrmartin | but / both | 08:52 |
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| mrmartin | #info next meeting 18.00GMT, Feb 13 (Friday) and 08.00GMT, Feb 17 (Tuesday) | 08:53 |
| mrmartin | allright, thank you everyone for coming! | 08:53 |
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| marcelodieder | thanks guys | 08:54 |
| akira-y | thank you. | 08:54 |
| mrmartin | have good day / night there! | 08:54 |
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| marcelodieder | have a nice week | 08:54 |
| mrmartin | #endmeeting | 08:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 08:54 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 3 08:54:19 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ambassadors/2015/ambassadors.2015-02-03-08.04.html | 08:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ambassadors/2015/ambassadors.2015-02-03-08.04.txt | 08:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ambassadors/2015/ambassadors.2015-02-03-08.04.log.html | 08:54 |
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| sc68cal | hello all | 15:00 |
| aveiga | hello | 15:00 |
| sc68cal | #startmeeting neutron_ipv6 | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 3 15:01:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ipv6' | 15:01 |
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| dane_leblanc | o/ | 15:01 |
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| sc68cal | #info Kilo-2 is this week | 15:02 |
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| sc68cal | Xu Han's dhcp options bp is scheduled for K-2 so please review - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136713/ | 15:04 |
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| carl_baldwin | sc68cal: I can have a look at that today. | 15:04 |
| sc68cal | If you have things slated for K-3, please make sure you have posted it for review in gerrit, even if it still needs work | 15:05 |
| HenryG | I am currently reviewing it | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | HenryG: I’ll leave you to it. Just needs one more core review. | 15:06 |
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| sc68cal | #topic bugs | 15:09 |
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| sc68cal | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=ipv6&orderby=status&start=0 IPv6 bugs | 15:09 |
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| sc68cal | Anyone have bugs they'd like to discuss? | 15:11 |
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| ihrachyshka | https://review.openstack.org/144630 | 15:12 |
| ihrachyshka | I guess it's ready to merge | 15:12 |
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| ihrachyshka | also, extra dhcp options for stateless subnets are not working: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147455/ again, the patch looks like ready for merge. | 15:14 |
| ihrachyshka | so, anyone with +2 hammer, please take a look at those two :) | 15:14 |
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| carl_baldwin | ihrachyshka: I started reviewing 147455 yesterday. | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | I can finish the review today. | 15:15 |
| ihrachyshka | thanks | 15:15 |
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| sc68cal | very cool | 15:17 |
| sc68cal | thanks ihrachyshka | 15:17 |
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| sc68cal | #topic code review | 15:18 |
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| sc68cal | Sort of covered this, but usually this topic is good for people who have patches that need attention :) | 15:18 |
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| sc68cal | if nobody has anything I'll turn it over to open discussion :) | 15:20 |
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| baoli | carl_baldwin: a question on the subnet allocation | 15:21 |
| baoli | carl_baldwin: do you plan to make changes to the subnet CLI/API? Is there going to be change in the subnet db model? | 15:21 |
| baoli | The reason I'm asking is that the PD may need to change them as well, so some potential overlap may exist. | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | baoli: Yes, all of those. | 15:23 |
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| baoli | carl_baldwin: has the exact change been nailed down and can be shared? | 15:24 |
| carl_baldwin | I’ve had discussions with Dane and HenryG about how this fits with PD. | 15:24 |
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| carl_baldwin | baoli: The spec has a decent amount of the detail in it. Beyond that, rtidwell, the owner of the implementation can help you with details. | 15:24 |
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| baoli | carl_baldwin: cool. | 15:25 |
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| carl_baldwin | baoli: I’m mobile at the moment but could discuss more a bit later. | 15:25 |
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| tartinette | hi | 15:26 |
| carl_baldwin | baoli: Basically, one of the key decisions was that PD would generate a uuid for subnet pool just for PD. Subnet allocation would not recognize that pool id but would just leave it alone. | 15:27 |
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| sc68cal | #topic open discussion | 15:27 |
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| sc68cal | don't mind me | 15:28 |
| baoli | carl_baldwin: that sounds like a plan | 15:28 |
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| dane_leblanc | This was described in the PD blueprint, though it might have been a little vague | 15:29 |
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| baoli | carl_baldwin: we'd have a situation in whcih a port should be allowed to be created on a subnet which CIDR is not available yet. Would subnet allocation address this? Or PD should address it? | 15:30 |
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| carl_baldwin | baoli: Can we discuss after the top of the hour? | 15:31 |
| baoli | carl_baldwin: sure, on the same IRC channel? | 15:31 |
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| baoli | carl_baldwin: you can ping me on IRC later. | 15:32 |
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| carl_baldwin | baoli: I will ping you in openstack-neutron | 15:33 |
| baoli | carl_baldwin: thanks | 15:33 |
| sc68cal | thanks carl_baldwin :) | 15:34 |
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| sc68cal | unless there's anything to discuss i'll give everyone back 20 minutes | 15:37 |
| aveiga | might be good to take the DB/API cahnge talk over to #openstack-neutron anyway | 15:37 |
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| sc68cal | ok everyone, thanks for coming - I know this is a crazy week due to K-2, see everyone next week! | 15:40 |
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| sc68cal | #endmeeting | 15:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 3 15:40:21 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2015/neutron_ipv6.2015-02-03-15.01.html | 15:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2015/neutron_ipv6.2015-02-03-15.01.txt | 15:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2015/neutron_ipv6.2015-02-03-15.01.log.html | 15:40 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting containers | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 3 16:00:39 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: containers)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 16:00 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2015-02-03_2200_UTC Our Agenda | 16:00 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:00 |
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| apmelton | o/ | 16:00 |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:00 |
| apmelton | Andrew Melton | 16:01 |
| sew | Steven Wilson | 16:01 |
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| hongbin | Hongbin Lu | 16:01 |
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| prad | o/ | 16:01 |
| wkharold | ward harold | 16:01 |
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| adrian_otto | hello apmelton, sew, hongbin, prad, and wkharold | 16:02 |
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| adrian_otto | we will proceed in just a moment | 16:02 |
| diga | Digambar Patil | 16:02 |
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| tartinette | hi | 16:03 |
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| adrian_otto | hello diga and tartinette | 16:04 |
| diga | Hi Adrian | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, welcome everyone. Let's begin! | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: containers)" | 16:06 | |
| adrian_otto | 1) Welcome Hongbin to magnum-core | 16:07 |
| hongbin | Thanks. It is my hornor to join the great team | 16:07 |
| apmelton | congrats hongbin | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | Hongbin has been a consistent contributor and reviewer for Magnum, and has been recognized as a key member of our team | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | we trust Hungbin to help us with core reviewer responsibility | 16:08 |
| diga | congrats hongbin | 16:08 |
| hongbin | thx | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | so we are thrilled to add you, thanks! | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | 2) Reminder, next planned release date is 2015-02-16. | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | if we have any team members needing guidance to determine where their efforts may be best focused to help us reach this milestone, please chime in during Open Discussion today, in #openstack-containers at any time, or feel free to contact me individually. | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | 3) Reminder: adrian_otto will be away on 2015-02-17 for our 1600 UTC meeting. Our pro-tem chair will be sdake. | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | are there any other announcements from team members? | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | ok, proceeding... | 16:11 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 16:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: containers)" | 16:11 | |
| adrian_otto | (1) adrian_otto to break https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-docker-backend-selection into multiple blueprints | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | thanks to help from apmelton, this is complete. | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | are there any questions about the breakdown of this work? | 16:11 |
| apmelton | adrian_otto: I suppose we'll discuss which milestones for each piece during task review? | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | Yes, sir. | 16:12 |
| apmelton | alrighty | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so we will revisit this one in a moment. | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | (2) adrian_otto to follow up with yuanying about ironic-heat-template | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | this is pending, so I will carry it forward | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to follow up with yuanying about ironic-heat-template | 16:13 |
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| adrian_otto | (3) adrian_otto open a blueprint on docs for things to write for use with M2 release | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/m2-docs Documentation for M2 | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | this is where we will track our documentation work items. | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | If you are able to contribute to any documentation efforts, let's be sure to mention them in this BP. | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | (4) adrian_otto to open a bug/task ticket for cherry-pick of updates in the larsks heat template code. | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/magnum/+bug/1417642 Pull in updates from larsks heat template repo | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | (5) adrian_otto to add ceilometer integration as a mid-cycle discussion topic. | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-midcycle-topics Midcycle Discussion Topics | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | feel free to add to the topic list. | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | that concludes our action item review | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Mid-Cycle Meetup Planning | 16:15 |
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| adrian_otto | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-January/054053.html Call for Feedback | 16:16 |
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| adrian_otto | so, I proposed new dates for the Midcycle that land in the following week | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | please take a moment to respond to the Doodle Poll | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | #link http://doodle.com/ddgsptuex5u3394m Select a date | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | we are looking for two consecutive days | 16:17 |
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| diga | I think we need to take a decision on this BP - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-scheduler-for-docker | 16:17 |
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| adrian_otto | the Feb 23+24 and 25+26 are too contended for scheduling, so I proposed Mar 2+3 | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | diga: We will address that in task review, one moment please. | 16:18 |
| diga | ok | 16:18 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, so I look forward to your responses to the Mar 2-3 dates on the Doodle poll. | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Blueprint/Task Review | 16:19 |
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| adrian_otto | so, first I will call on apmelton, and second on diga | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | are there other team members who would like to discuss a work item? | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | ok, apmelton. Please begin on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-docker-backend-selection | 16:20 |
| apmelton | at this point, I think https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/docker-bay-heat-template is the only one I'd feel comfortable pulling in for M2 | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | ok, let's take a look at that one | 16:21 |
| apmelton | heat templates are pretty new to me, so there will be a bit of a learning curve | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so definitely touch base with sdake | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | he's a Heat expert, and can lend a hand with that | 16:21 |
| apmelton | awesome, will do | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | you might also consider Randall Burt | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | he;s arguably one of the more talented engineers who have worked on heat and templates | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | rephrased. He is definitely talented, and very experienced in this subject matter. | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | LMK if you want additional Stackers who can help. | 16:23 |
| apmelton | ok, I'll let ya know | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | I have set that blueprint as direction-approved | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | and set to m2 as the series goal. | 16:24 |
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| adrian_otto | anything more on this topic? | 16:24 |
| apmelton | don't think so | 16:25 |
| thomasem | o/ | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | apmelton: will you be claiming that as the Assignee? It's currently set to None | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | hello thomasem | 16:25 |
| apmelton | adrian_otto: sure, just assigned myself | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | ok, diga, you are up now. Let's discuss scheduling as a topic. | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | this is something we will also open for discussion on the ML to get wider input from the Nova/Gantt team | 16:26 |
| diga | yep | 16:26 |
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| diga | yes | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-scheduler-for-docker Add schedulre for native docker support | 16:27 |
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| adrian_otto | our initial thinking on this topic was that the first scheduler (Gantt alternative) would allow the caller to specify a node to create a container on, or specify a node to not create a container on. | 16:29 |
| apmelton | so, one thing to consider is that swarm does offer scheduling | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | we would implement a simple (pluggable) scheduling algorithm for sequential-fill | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | apmelton: yes, it has a naive scheduler | 16:29 |
| wkharold | ditto for k8s, yes? | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | wkharold: yes, that's right | 16:30 |
| apmelton | adrian_otto: when was the last time you checked out swarms scheduling? | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | ideally what we build (or integrate) for native docker would later be used for other container backeneds | 16:30 |
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| apmelton | browsing through the repo, it appears to actually have quite a few features | 16:30 |
| apmelton | https://github.com/docker/swarm/tree/master/scheduler/filter | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | the key issue is how to manage the placement of containers within a pod on different nodes, based on some user-selected logic | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | oh, sweet, this is under active development again! | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | I am going to link that in the PB whiteboard… one sec | 16:32 |
| diga | can I get some code from nova/cinder scheduler for initial implementation ? | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | s/PB/Blueprint/ | 16:32 |
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| adrian_otto | diga: I think we should consider that as an option, yes | 16:33 |
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| diga | okay | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | we should view any work we do on scheduling in the short term as potentially disposable | 16:34 |
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| adrian_otto | so we don't need to be too picky about it | 16:34 |
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| diga | okay | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | one potential drawback of using Swarm is that we need to load and run the Swarmd binary (and associated agent), and place them properly. | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | whereas, if we used code from nova, it may be possible to leverage nova-compute as an agent | 16:35 |
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| adrian_otto | thoughts on this? | 16:36 |
| hongbin | for swarm, is that possible to plug a custom filter? | 16:36 |
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| adrian_otto | we'll need to look at that code to find out | 16:36 |
| diga | yes, using nova sch code is great advantage for us | 16:36 |
| hongbin | k | 16:37 |
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| adrian_otto | we did get some feedback from the Nova team on the status of Gantt | 16:37 |
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| adrian_otto | they indicated that we should not expect movement on Gantt during the kilo release. | 16:38 |
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| adrian_otto | I am generally reluctant to suggest that we pick up development of Gantt because it really needs a bunch of high-risk code to be merged into Nova | 16:38 |
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| tartinette | hi | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | so that effort should really be driven by the Nova team who can make that happen. | 16:39 |
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| diga | yes | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | I worry that if we begin proposing code for Nova that's not a priority for the Nova team, that it will rot in perpetual review | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | and just be a waste of time on both ends | 16:39 |
| wkharold | hongbin: a glance at the swarm filter code shows just four builtin filters, go doesn't support dynamic code loading so customer filters seem a long shot | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | so it's probably smarter to engage on that once it ascends in priority | 16:40 |
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| wkharold | s/customer/custom/g | 16:40 |
| hongbin | wkharold: thx. I see | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | wkharold: thanks for checking on that | 16:41 |
| wkharold | np | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | custom filters might not be that important | 16:41 |
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| adrian_otto | so let's be sure not to rule out an option because of that | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | I think we can all agree that it's definitely nice-to-have, but I'm not convinced that feature is essential | 16:41 |
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| tartinette | hi | 16:42 |
| hongbin | make sense | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | if we have a filter scheduler that's reasonably complete, it's likely to be useful for most needs | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | tartinette: you are welcome to add in any time if you want | 16:42 |
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| apmelton | adrian_otto: I wonder how much we could get by with the constraint filter,, basically custom labels are applied to the docker daemon running, and then the user can filter based on those labels | 16:43 |
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| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to initiate an ML thread for discussion of native Docker scheduling support for Magnum | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | apmelton: I think that would work. Do you think that would be elegant from an end-user perspective? | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | seems pretty simple… add labels, then restrict on them. | 16:44 |
| apmelton | yup, of course you couldn't have very sophicated filtering logic though | 16:45 |
| hongbin | is that similar to something like affinity? | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | We could put a hook in (either in swarm or something of our creation) to allow for an external filter | 16:46 |
| apmelton | hongbin: affinity is a separate filter in swarm | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | the API definition for that would likely be pretty simple | 16:46 |
| hongbin | apmelton: I see | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I think this was a good start. We will get this discussion going ont he ML as well to poll input from other subject matter experts. | 16:47 |
| adrian_otto | I took that as an action item earlier. | 16:48 |
| diga | okay | 16:48 |
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| adrian_otto | any final thoughts on this before opening discussion to other work items? | 16:48 |
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| adrian_otto | any other work items that we should discuss today as a team? | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | ok, then I will open us up to all topics now… | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 16:49 |
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| wkharold | anyone had issues being able to pull docker images after doing a devstack deploy per the quickstart? (feel free to tell me to take it offline is this is the wrong forum) | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | wkharold: your question is appropriate here | 16:51 |
| apmelton | wkharold: docker images being pulled from the atomic nodes? | 16:52 |
| wkharold | being pulled to the atomic nodes | 16:52 |
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| adrian_otto | wkharold: I encourage you to document your observations in a but ticket here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/magnum/+filebug | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | s/but/bug/ | 16:52 |
| wkharold | k, trying to reproduce this AM | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | There may be something we can learn from it to improve the quickstart instructions | 16:53 |
| hongbin | I think it would be great for Magnum to provide API for image/snapshot management | 16:53 |
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| adrian_otto | hongbin: are you thinking of something generic, or something Docker backend specific? | 16:54 |
| hongbin | generic | 16:54 |
| hongbin | like nova image-list | 16:54 |
| wkharold | do the glance people have any designs on managing container images? | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | wkharold: we have not explored that yet | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | that's something I will add to the midcycle as a potential design topic | 16:55 |
| wkharold | seems like the ultimate place for it | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | hongbin: I think nova image-list was created before Glance existed | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | and it's probably still there for vestigial reasons | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | wkharold: agreed | 16:55 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: k. my thinking is | 16:56 |
| diga | adrian_otto: not related question, is there any way to join online to midcycle meetup ? | 16:56 |
| hongbin | in long term, we needs an abstraction to manage images for different container backend | 16:56 |
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| wkharold | like Rocket? | 16:57 |
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| hongbin | not sure what is Rocket | 16:57 |
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| wkharold | Docker alternative (sort of) | 16:58 |
| hongbin | wkharold: I see | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | hongbin: CoreOS proposed a container format, and offered Rocket as a reference implementation | 16:58 |
| wkharold | https://github.com/coreos/rocket | 16:59 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, time for us to wind down for today | 16:59 |
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| adrian_otto | Thanks to everyone for attending. Our next meeting is 2015-02-10 at 2200 UTC. I look forward to seeing you then! | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 3 17:00:25 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-02-03-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-02-03-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-02-03-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| thomasem | Thanks all! cheers! | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | :-) | 17:00 |
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| serg_melikyan | #startmeeting murano | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 3 17:01:16 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is serg_melikyan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:01 |
| serg_melikyan | Hi folks :) | 17:01 |
| katyafervent | Hi | 17:01 |
| RadekPospisil | hi | 17:02 |
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| hmunfru | hi | 17:02 |
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| serg_melikyan | #topic Action Items Review | 17:03 |
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| serg_melikyan | Let's start with action items :) | 17:03 |
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| serg_melikyan | We have only one action item, assigned to the katyafervent | 17:04 |
| serg_melikyan | #1 katyafervent, research more about log/exception localization | 17:04 |
| serg_melikyan | katyafervent: do you had a chance to research this matter? | 17:04 |
| katyafervent | let's move this AI for the next meeting | 17:05 |
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| katyafervent | I think I'll write message to ML with the result of research | 17:05 |
| serg_melikyan | Ok | 17:05 |
| serg_melikyan | #action katyafervent, research more about log/exception localization | 17:06 |
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| serg_melikyan | #topic New API calls naming voting | 17:07 |
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| serg_melikyan | We are talking about new this specification -> https://review.openstack.org/141334 proposed by hmunfru | 17:08 |
| katyafervent | And blueprint is here https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/blueprint-template | 17:08 |
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| katyafervent | btw, provide the status update - not it's on review | 17:09 |
| katyafervent | * now | 17:09 |
| serg_melikyan | #startvote How we should name this entity? environment-templates, environment-snapshot, environment-blueprint | 17:10 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: How we should name this entity? Valid vote options are environment-templates, environment-snapshot, environment-blueprint. | 17:10 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 17:10 |
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| serg_melikyan | Let's vote for term | 17:10 |
| katyafervent | serg_melikyan, could you paste options here please | 17:10 |
| serg_melikyan | I did that -> Begin voting on: How we should name this entity? Valid vote options are environment-templates, environment-snapshot, environment-blueprint. | 17:11 |
| katyafervent | Oh, I see :) | 17:11 |
| StanLagun | #vote environment-templates | 17:11 |
| hmunfru | #vote environment-templates | 17:11 |
| serg_melikyan | #vote environment-templates | 17:11 |
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| katyafervent | #vote environment-templates | 17:11 |
| serg_melikyan | though I agree that term is used very often, but it is very common thing | 17:12 |
| pashkin | #vote environment-templates | 17:12 |
| StanLagun | serg_melikyan: the same is true for all of those terms | 17:12 |
| katyafervent | That's why we should not miss environments everywhere | 17:12 |
| serg_melikyan | katyafervent: mm? | 17:12 |
| katyafervent | not use 'template', but 'environment template' | 17:13 |
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| StanLagun | serg_melikyan: I think she meant to say we should call them "environment templates", not just templates | 17:13 |
| hmunfru | ok | 17:13 |
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| katyafervent | should we add environments_templates to API url or templates will be enough? | 17:13 |
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| serg_melikyan | I believe it depends on the context, | 17:14 |
| StanLagun | katyafervent: environment-templates (dash, not underscore) | 17:14 |
| serg_melikyan | environments_templates <- no underscore in API URIs | 17:14 |
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| serg_melikyan | #endvote | 17:15 |
| openstack | Voted on "How we should name this entity?" Results are | 17:15 |
| openstack | environment-templates (5): katyafervent, pashkin, hmunfru, serg_melikyan, StanLagun | 17:15 |
| katyafervent | we already use underscore, heat also uses underscore | 17:15 |
| serg_melikyan | katyafervent: I can't say that I am happy with that | 17:15 |
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| katyafervent | but the question is should we use 'environments-templates' in url or just templates? | 17:15 |
| serg_melikyan | I would say just templates | 17:16 |
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| StanLagun | serg_melikyan: what if we will want to have another type of templates? | 17:16 |
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| serg_melikyan | hmunfru: what do you think? | 17:17 |
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| StanLagun | can we have /environments/templates/ ? | 17:17 |
| serg_melikyan | StanLagun: in API? | 17:17 |
| StanLagun | yes | 17:17 |
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| serg_melikyan | Maybe we will have another type of environments then> | 17:17 |
| serg_melikyan | environment/templates? I think it is not a bad option | 17:17 |
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| katyafervent | +1 from my side | 17:18 |
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| tartinette | hi | 17:18 |
| katyafervent | hi tartinette! | 17:18 |
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| StanLagun | tartinette: hi! | 17:18 |
| serg_melikyan | Looks like Henar got disconnected | 17:19 |
| serg_melikyan | :( | 17:19 |
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| RadekPospisil | IMO /env..s/template is not so RESTish - it expresses some 'dependency' between resources environment and template .... | 17:19 |
| StanLagun | RadekPospisil: you're right | 17:20 |
| RadekPospisil | I like more /template only.... | 17:21 |
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| katyafervent | what about /templates/environment so we will be able to add different types of templates in the future | 17:22 |
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| RadekPospisil | ok with /templates/environment | 17:23 |
| StanLagun | +1 | 17:23 |
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| serg_melikyan | It maybe premature | 17:24 |
| RadekPospisil | can we do some API versioning like keystone has ? i.e., /v1, /v2,.... so it will be easier to evolve the API | 17:25 |
| serg_melikyan | for sure, one of the biggest challenges for Kilo is to at least design v2 API :( | 17:25 |
| StanLagun | we already have this versioning scheme | 17:26 |
| RadekPospisil | ok, good to know :-) | 17:26 |
| katyafervent | Guys, lets leave templates as it is, continue to discuss in review | 17:26 |
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| serg_melikyan | +1 | 17:27 |
| katyafervent | and if topic will still be actual, vote on the next meeting | 17:27 |
| hmunfru | so keep template instead of enviornment-tempmlaet | 17:27 |
| katyafervent | so let's move on to the next topic :) | 17:28 |
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| katyafervent | hmunfru, yeah | 17:28 |
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| serg_melikyan | hmunfru: environment templates, as a term for overall feature, and templates as URI | 17:29 |
| serg_melikyan | #topic Kilo-2 Status | 17:29 |
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| serg_melikyan | katyafervent: I think this topic is proposed by you | 17:29 |
| serg_melikyan | can you update us? | 17:30 |
| katyafervent | the main progress is in YAQL, StanLagun did upload new versoin | 17:31 |
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| katyafervent | but this commit need to be updated a bit and specification should be uploaded | 17:32 |
| katyafervent | we plan to finish with yaql in a week | 17:32 |
| katyafervent | category management support is ready and waiting for a review | 17:32 |
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| katyafervent | adding timeouts to the murano agent is also implemented and now on review | 17:33 |
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| katyafervent | But we didn't started to plan versioning support | 17:33 |
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| katyafervent | and didn't accept any single specification | 17:34 |
| katyafervent | which is bad | 17:34 |
| serg_melikyan | true, we are not up to speed with K2 :( | 17:35 |
| serg_melikyan | But looks like at least we are reviewing commits faster then specs | 17:35 |
| serg_melikyan | I hope we will move in the next release to the proper scheme, where we will write all specs for L and submit them before end of K1. | 17:36 |
| serg_melikyan | *L1 | 17:36 |
| katyafervent | and that's not right, should we create AI on reviewing more specs? | 17:36 |
| serg_melikyan | katyafervent: how it will help? I don't think we are not doing that because we sitting and doing nothing | 17:37 |
| serg_melikyan | It's just too expensive in terms of time, we are communicating faster about implementation in code | 17:38 |
| serg_melikyan | But, we anyway need specifications in place - they are documentation for features | 17:38 |
| katyafervent | it's not the right way to accepting features. specifications should describe implementation | 17:39 |
| serg_melikyan | right, but we agreed to go that way for K | 17:39 |
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| katyafervent | Ok, what's next in our agenda | 17:40 |
| serg_melikyan | #topic Check several BPs for validity | 17:41 |
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| serg_melikyan | #1 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/ability-to-specify-url-for-services-definitions | 17:41 |
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| serg_melikyan | I think it is pretty valid BP, packages may be uploaded somewhere and ability to specify URI is pretty helpful | 17:42 |
| katyafervent | do we need this features? If yes, need to set estimates | 17:42 |
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| serg_melikyan | katyafervent: we don't need to set estimates, we have tons of valid BPs | 17:43 |
| katyafervent | ok, lets proposed it for L? | 17:43 |
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| serg_melikyan | We have someone who is willing to implement that BP? | 17:43 |
| serg_melikyan | I would just remove milestone | 17:43 |
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| katyafervent | let's set it for 'future' series | 17:44 |
| StanLagun | serg_melikyan: that BP seems like a wrong thing for me | 17:44 |
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| serg_melikyan | We are usually discuss Roadmap of the next release closer to the Summit date, and chose what and who is going to implement | 17:45 |
| serg_melikyan | StanLagun: why? | 17:45 |
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| StanLagun | packages must be immutable. There must be no way to change any files inside uploaded packages. That is for user story #1 | 17:46 |
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| serg_melikyan | I think that is pretty outdated BP, and it is should be converted to a BP about uploading packages to the catalog via URL | 17:47 |
| StanLagun | It also may be wrong to tell murano to download package from somewhere. Otherwise it may be used for DDoS attacks or pointed to a terabyte file URL | 17:47 |
| StanLagun | or just to pass network quotas | 17:48 |
| katyafervent | So what's the decision? | 17:48 |
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| StanLagun | and packages may be really big | 17:48 |
| StanLagun | I vote for rejecting that BP at all | 17:49 |
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| serg_melikyan | Timur Nurlygayanov proposed this BP more than one year ago, and no new updates about it since then | 17:50 |
| katyafervent | I agree, that this feature is not super useful | 17:50 |
| katyafervent | Any objections to reject it? | 17:51 |
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| katyafervent | Next blueprint is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/docker-registry-in-murano | 17:51 |
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| katyafervent | Support docker registry and expose Docker apps in Murano Catalog | 17:52 |
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| serg_melikyan | It is very sketchy BP, I don't think we need to do anything with it at all. I would wait more details from Georgy. | 17:53 |
| katyafervent | Is that blueprint adds Docker server and Docker apps? | 17:53 |
| serg_melikyan | Let's just ask about more details in work items? | 17:53 |
| serg_melikyan | katyafervent: I don't know | 17:53 |
| katyafervent | I agree, need to describe what exactly should be changed | 17:54 |
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| serg_melikyan | Not so much time left, let's move other two BPs to the next meeting? | 17:55 |
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| serg_melikyan | katyafervent: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprints | 17:56 |
| katyafervent | ok | 17:56 |
| serg_melikyan | #topic OpenDiscussion | 17:56 |
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| serg_melikyan | #endmeeting | 18:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 3 18:01:13 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-02-03-17.01.html | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-02-03-17.01.txt | 18:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-02-03-17.01.log.html | 18:01 |
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| devkulkarni | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 21:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 3 21:03:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devkulkarni. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 21:03 |
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| adrian_otto | devkulkarni | 21:03 |
| devkulkarni | #topic roll call | 21:03 |
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| devkulkarni | hi adrian_otto | 21:03 |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 21:04 |
| datsun180b | ed cranford | 21:04 |
| roshanagr_ | Roshan Agrawal | 21:04 |
| gpilz | Gilbert Pilz | 21:04 |
| james_li | james li | 21:04 |
| phiche | Philip Cheong | 21:04 |
| ravips|mtg | Ravi Sankar | 21:04 |
| muralia | murali allada | 21:04 |
| devkulkarni | hey everyone.. | 21:04 |
| mkam | Melissa Kam | 21:04 |
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| devkulkarni | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2015-02-03_2100_UTC agenda for today | 21:04 |
| adrian_otto | it is next week that I am away, not today. | 21:05 |
| devkulkarni | right | 21:05 |
| devkulkarni | and we were wondering where you were :) | 21:05 |
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| devkulkarni | it was past 3.00pm | 21:05 |
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| devkulkarni | #topic Announcements | 21:06 |
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| devkulkarni | are there any announcements from the team members? | 21:06 |
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| devkulkarni | #topic Review Action Items | 21:08 |
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| devkulkarni | adrian_otto to open a bug ticket to allow for pinning mistral to a version that is known to pass gate. | 21:08 |
| adrian_otto | https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1417767 | 21:08 |
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| devkulkarni | thanks adrian_otto | 21:09 |
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| devkulkarni | were there any other action items that the team members remember? | 21:10 |
| adrian_otto | that was the only one. | 21:10 |
| devkulkarni | ok | 21:10 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Blueprint/Task Review | 21:11 |
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| devkulkarni | are there specific tasks/blueprints that the team members want to bring up for discussion? | 21:12 |
| devkulkarni | btw, thanks to the entire team our review queue has become lot thin https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+solum,n,z | 21:12 |
| adrian_otto | https://review.openstack.org/148023 is in merge conflict | 21:13 |
| adrian_otto | will a rebase solve that? | 21:13 |
| devkulkarni | I think that can be abandoned | 21:14 |
| devkulkarni | that change is already merged as part of a different reivew | 21:14 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I will set it accordingly. | 21:14 |
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| devkulkarni | sounds good | 21:14 |
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| devkulkarni | are there any other reviews/tasks? | 21:15 |
| devkulkarni | I would have liked to discuss the plan to go from bash to python | 21:15 |
| devkulkarni | but I don't see akshayc around today | 21:15 |
| devkulkarni | ravips: have you had a chance to touch base with akshayc on this? | 21:15 |
| adrian_otto | dimtruck: can you make some time to look at https://review.openstack.org/140468 again? | 21:15 |
| dimtruck | adrian_otto: i will do so | 21:16 |
| dimtruck | yes sir | 21:16 |
| adrian_otto | thanks | 21:16 |
| dimtruck | sorry i dropped the ball on taht one | 21:16 |
| dimtruck | i'll get that fixed and through in the next 24 hours | 21:16 |
| adrian_otto | np | 21:17 |
| ravips | devkulkarni: not yet, i will check with him | 21:17 |
| devkulkarni | ravips: thanks!! | 21:17 |
| devkulkarni | I will also reach out to him if I catch him on solum | 21:17 |
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| devkulkarni | any other blueprint/tasks we want to discuss? | 21:18 |
| devkulkarni | ok.. moving on to open discussion | 21:19 |
| devkulkarni | #topic open discussion | 21:19 |
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| adrian_otto | o/ | 21:19 |
| adrian_otto | this week the CAMP Technical Committee met, and I discussed what we have learned regarding resource terminology (plan, assembly) in favor of more generic terms (app_template, app) | 21:20 |
| adrian_otto | I have been invited to raise an issue against the spec to get the terminology changed. | 21:20 |
| muralia | nice. | 21:20 |
| adrian_otto | THere is enough support among the TC to get that done quickly | 21:21 |
| adrian_otto | I suggest that we form a small working group to meet a couple of times to be sure that the proposal is compatible with our thinking | 21:21 |
| adrian_otto | would any of you like to participate? | 21:21 |
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| roshanagr1 | I would | 21:22 |
| gpilz | i would | 21:22 |
| gpilz | hehehe | 21:22 |
| muralia | me too | 21:22 |
| adrian_otto | Assuming that issue is accepted, the likely outcome will be that CAMP 1.1 would remain as-is as a committee spec. | 21:22 |
| adrian_otto | and a modified version would succeed it as CAMP 1.2, which would later be pursued to become an OASIS standard. | 21:22 |
| adrian_otto | the scope of this change is not to start over with the spec, but to adapt the terminology to be more closely aligned with end user expectations | 21:23 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I will circulate a Doodle to find a couple of times to meet and align on this topic | 21:23 |
| adrian_otto | I will email it to the openstack-dev list with the [Solum] topic tag | 21:24 |
| gpilz | i should point out that people are also more than welcome to participate on the CAMP TC calls themselves | 21:25 |
| adrian_otto | thanks, that's it on this topic for now unless roshanagr1 muralia gpilz or others have more thoughts on it to cover today. | 21:25 |
| gpilz | we haven't publicly eviscerated a new-comer in …. gosh, it must be months now | 21:25 |
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| datsun180b | i prefer my insides stay inside thank you | 21:25 |
| adrian_otto | gpilz: we have a new member from NetApp, remember? | 21:25 |
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| gpilz | i'll get the oven on | 21:26 |
| adrian_otto | so for those who come to the Solum working group on CAMP, I'll provide information about OASIS meeting attendance, if that interests you | 21:26 |
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| adrian_otto | any other topics to cover today? | 21:28 |
| roshanagr1 | adrian_otto: would it be correct to characterize it as a "Solum working group on CAMP" - or just some folks participating in a CAMP discussion | 21:28 |
| ravips | what will be our strategy for integrating jenkins ci in solum? is it going to be another option for pipeline (mistral replacement)? or first class entity where you can specify use jenkins as my ci for my app or plugin model where app can use jenkins via hooks? | 21:28 |
| adrian_otto | working groups in OpenStack are not formalized, so there is really no distinction | 21:28 |
| datsun180b | ravips: you could write a different solum-worker handler to use jenkins to do the work | 21:29 |
| datsun180b | shell.py is called so because it uses shell commands in that environment. instead you might open an http client and send requests to your jenkins endpoint to trigger work | 21:30 |
| datsun180b | but that's off the cuff, i'm sure i've glossed over 95% of the important details | 21:30 |
| devkulkarni | ravips: when stannie was driving that spec, we had discussed two options. first was, Jenkins calls into Solum to deploy and Solum uses Jenkins to do builds. I think the first option was easier per stannie's investigations | 21:30 |
| adrian_otto | datsun180b: that's a good suggestion, I think. | 21:30 |
| adrian_otto | ravips: tell us about the reason for your question | 21:30 |
| adrian_otto | we initially indicated that we wanted a choice of workflow options | 21:31 |
| adrian_otto | we identified Mistral and Jenkins as two implements for that | 21:31 |
| ravips | adrian_otto: it was there in the roadmap so wondering the design choice we took | 21:31 |
| devkulkarni | ravips: we have not made any design decisions on that front yet | 21:32 |
| adrian_otto | my question is should that remain in the roadmap? Will our users care about configurable workflows, or not? | 21:32 |
| ravips | devkulkarni: can you point me to the stannie initial spec on jenkins | 21:32 |
| devkulkarni | good point | 21:32 |
| roshanagr1 | Question on jenkins integration with Solum - is there someone who is passionate and still cares about the feature | 21:32 |
| devkulkarni | ravips: quickly looking through our blueprint list, I got this: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/solum-build-farm | 21:33 |
| devkulkarni | will send you the spec review soon | 21:33 |
| adrian_otto | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/solum-specs/tree/specs/juno/pipeline.rst Pipeline Spec | 21:33 |
| devkulkarni | ravips: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100539/ | 21:34 |
| devkulkarni | roshanagr1: providing hooks in Jenkins to be able to call into Solum for deployments could be useful | 21:35 |
| roshanagr1 | adrian_otto: are you asking if jenkins integration should still remain on the roadmap? If so, I am asking the same question - should it | 21:35 |
| adrian_otto | yes | 21:35 |
| adrian_otto | yes - that is my question | 21:35 |
| adrian_otto | If pipelines exist, you can configure those to kick off any other workflow service | 21:36 |
| ravips | we are already using mistral for workflow(pipelines), jenkins ci story is mainly to support external existing jenkins in solum? | 21:36 |
| roshanagr1 | adrian_otto: cool. Devkulkulkarni - are there immediate drivers for the team investing in this feature | 21:36 |
| adrian_otto | ravips: I don't think any code would be needed in Solum to support Jenkins with Pipelines | 21:36 |
| roshanagr1 | if not, is the effort investment somewhere more urgent | 21:36 |
| devkulkarni | roshanagr1: frankly, don't know | 21:36 |
| adrian_otto | all you would need is a Mistral workflow that calls Jenkins | 21:37 |
| adrian_otto | that's input to solum, not code in Solum. | 21:37 |
| roshanagr1 | devkulkarni: ok, I am taking an action item to streamline the roadmap for Solum, and then socialize it with the team | 21:38 |
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| devkulkarni | have anyone been exercising Solum's mistral/pipeline code? how complete/workable that piece currently is? | 21:38 |
| adrian_otto | we could make equivalents for other tools too (drone.io, Circle CI, etc.) | 21:38 |
| phiche | i like that suggestion adrian_otto | 21:38 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: I'm not aware of any users of that feature, but we also have not documented it very well either, so that's not a surprise | 21:39 |
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| ravips | devkulkarni: i tried pipeline functionality a month back and ran into heat issues | 21:39 |
| adrian_otto | phiche: tx | 21:39 |
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| devkulkarni | ravips: oh okay. | 21:39 |
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| devkulkarni | one of these days we need to think about how to plan converging assembly_handler and pipeline_handler | 21:40 |
| datsun180b | i think that will be done by creating app_handler | 21:41 |
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| adrian_otto | I'd like to see a spec proposal for that | 21:41 |
| datsun180b | following oasis' tete-a-tete i imagine we'll have a much stronger set of requirements for what an app is | 21:41 |
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| adrian_otto | that raises the topic of whether such a thing is designed to have an opinionated (hard coded) workflow, or a configurable one that comes with a sensible default. Thoughts on this? | 21:42 |
| devkulkarni | if the spec can be quickly drafted I am okay. but datsun180b might be quicker with the code I guess :) | 21:43 |
| datsun180b | my understanding is a finite set of workflows to which any user can build and contribute their own | 21:43 |
| devkulkarni | configurable workflows are definitely desirable | 21:43 |
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| devkulkarni | users might need: build only, build+deploy, deploy only | 21:43 |
| datsun180b | or they might need to define a prebuild step, or a report step | 21:44 |
| devkulkarni | +1 datsun180b | 21:44 |
| datsun180b | and then build workflows to reflect those things | 21:44 |
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| adrian_otto | so if we have a user with an existing Jenkins based CI that they want to continue using, and they want Solum to initiate that… | 21:44 |
| datsun180b | "any user" may need to be restricted to "deployers/operators" | 21:45 |
| adrian_otto | we would suggest that be done with the pre-build step/hook? | 21:45 |
| ravips | adrian_otto: +1 yeah, instead of creating jenkins LP handler..adding sample mistral dsl for using jenkins, drone or other CI tools from mistral pipeline will definitely help beginners to get on board with solum pipeline feature | 21:45 |
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| adrian_otto | ravips: what if we wanted to break the dependency on Mistral | 21:46 |
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| adrian_otto | and just have a hook that's a shell script that has a context of environment variables at runtime | 21:47 |
| * datsun180b fires crossbow at "shell script" | 21:47 | |
| adrian_otto | that script could kick off whatever, including Mistral, or anything. | 21:47 |
| adrian_otto | s/shell script/user defined command/ | 21:48 |
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| adrian_otto | so if someone wanted to use a script, they could, or invoke any command they want | 21:48 |
| ravips | adrian_otto: i thought we are already on board with mistral for pipelines, if not we may focus on good pipeline implementation and can hook other tools from the pipeline | 21:49 |
| adrian_otto | (implement a webhook with curl, whatever) | 21:49 |
| devkulkarni | isn't that dsl already in place in the form of the plan file? | 21:49 |
| adrian_otto | ravips: supporting Mistral might not be worth it if nobody wants to use configurable pipelines | 21:49 |
| datsun180b | we might make it our business to focus on mistral if we find it meets and exceeds all our wildest configurable workflow dreams | 21:50 |
| phiche | sounds like we're missing input from actual users re: configurable pipelines | 21:50 |
| datsun180b | and from what i understands, it almost might maybe | 21:50 |
| datsun180b | ^understands^understand | 21:51 |
| adrian_otto | datsun180b: It does what we need for that | 21:51 |
| ravips | adrian_otto: i assumed one size doesn't fit all and need some tweaks/customizations and that will be provided by pipeline feature | 21:51 |
| adrian_otto | my own intuition indicated this was something that users would value. | 21:51 |
| adrian_otto | but I am second guessing that | 21:51 |
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| datsun180b | if there's a use case we can certainly build to it | 21:52 |
| adrian_otto | ravips: that was my thinking too | 21:52 |
| datsun180b | what use is a tool nobody uses | 21:52 |
| gpilz | it could look cool | 21:53 |
| datsun180b | five minute warning by my reckoning | 21:53 |
| phiche | adrian_otto, you mentioned some time ago that it might be possible to get a heat template that would deploy solum? | 21:53 |
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| adrian_otto | phiche: that's posible. | 21:54 |
| adrian_otto | the trick is actually deploying OpenStack | 21:54 |
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| phiche | If it's possible to get that, I would be happy to give my input regarding workflows and configuration options | 21:54 |
| adrian_otto | so if you already have a working OpenStack, then adding SOlum to that is rather easy | 21:54 |
| phiche | we already have icehouse running | 21:55 |
| phiche | we have a public cloud | 21:55 |
| ravips | phiche: that will be very helpful | 21:55 |
| adrian_otto | then we should look at that. | 21:55 |
| phiche | I would be happy to test it out | 21:56 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I will make a wishlist task for that now. | 21:56 |
| phiche | I work primarily implementing CI/CD pipelines for customers, so I have some perspective on these things | 21:57 |
| devkulkarni | phiche: cool.. would be great if you can share some findings from that. | 21:57 |
| adrian_otto | https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1417782 | 21:58 |
| phiche | would be happy to | 21:58 |
| roshanagr1 | phiche: I am interested in hearing that as well | 21:58 |
| devkulkarni | thanks adrian_otto | 21:58 |
| adrian_otto | phiche: I suggest subscribing to that bug | 21:58 |
| adrian_otto | time to wrap up | 21:58 |
| devkulkarni | ok.. ending the meeting | 21:58 |
| adrian_otto | Our next meeting is 2015-02-17 at 2200 UTC | 21:59 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni will chair. | 21:59 |
| devkulkarni | thanks everyone.. sorry about the confusion today adrian_otto | 21:59 |
| devkulkarni | #endmeeting | 21:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 3 21:59:29 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:59 |
| adrian_otto | we're straight for next time | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-02-03-21.03.html | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-02-03-21.03.txt | 21:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-02-03-21.03.log.html | 21:59 |
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