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| tchaypo | #startmeeting TripleO | 08:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 4 08:02:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tchaypo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: TripleO)" | 08:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 08:02 |
| tchaypo | #topic agenda | 08:02 |
| tchaypo | * bugs | 08:02 |
| tchaypo | * reviews | 08:02 |
| tchaypo | * Projects needing releases | 08:02 |
| tchaypo | * CD Cloud status | 08:02 |
| tchaypo | * CI | 08:02 |
| tchaypo | * Specs | 08:02 |
| tchaypo | * open discussion | 08:02 |
| tchaypo | Remember that anyone can use the link and info commands, not just the moderator - if you have something worth noting in the meeting minutes feel free to tag it | 08:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: TripleO)" | 08:02 | |
| tchaypo | #topic bugs | 08:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: TripleO)" | 08:02 | |
| tchaypo | I believe we only have a few people here today so I’m not sure if it’s worth running the full agenda. | 08:02 |
| tchaypo | So first question: who’s here? | 08:03 |
| greghaynes | O/ | 08:03 |
| tchaypo | second question: anything you particularly want to discuss? | 08:03 |
| StevenK | o/ | 08:03 |
| tchaypo | #topic open discussion | 08:03 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: TripleO)" | 08:03 | |
| GheRivero | o/ | 08:03 |
| tchaypo | we can go back to other topics later | 08:03 |
| lsmola2 | o/ | 08:04 |
| * lsmola2 has nothing on his mind | 08:05 | |
| tchaypo | okay. I’m going to suggest we have a quick check for major bugs, have a quick look for old reviews we could move along, and then move with our week | 08:06 |
| tchaypo | sound good? | 08:06 |
| greghaynes | so, https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1401300 is a big deal | 08:07 |
| greghaynes | I dont think im going to have time to work on it | 08:07 |
| marios | o/ sorry am late | 08:07 |
| greghaynes | although I think the people who id like to point that to arent around | 08:07 |
| marios | tchaypo: +1 | 08:07 |
| tchaypo | #topic bugs | 08:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: TripleO)" | 08:08 | |
| tchaypo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1401300 | 08:08 |
| tchaypo | #info Keystone Private Key not securely sent to host - greghaynes is probably not going to have time to work on this, would be good if someone could pick it up | 08:09 |
| marios | so this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1411809 is fix committed | 08:10 |
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| tchaypo | marios: is there something we still need to do on that? | 08:11 |
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| marios | tchaypo: (looking) but that;s kind of what i was asking, we could probably close out | 08:12 |
| tchaypo | yeah; we don’t do releases of tripleo-image-elements, do we? | 08:13 |
| tchaypo | so there’s no reason not to mark it released already | 08:13 |
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| greghaynes | we do | 08:14 |
| greghaynes | I just released it ~5min ago | 08:15 |
| marios | yeah was checking cos couldn't remember | 08:15 |
| marios | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TripleO/ReleaseManagement | 08:15 |
| tchaypo | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1374626 has a fix, in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141217/, but that’s in merge conflict | 08:15 |
| tchaypo | I’ll put that on my list and see if I can un-conflict it today | 08:16 |
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| tchaypo | https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/1407828 is marked incomplete/critical | 08:17 |
| tchaypo | I’m going to downgrade that | 08:17 |
| StevenK | I was thinking about changing (not in a non-backwards-compatible way) the script in os-cloud-config, so we can move -incubator to using it | 08:17 |
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| StevenK | And then changing the incubator scripts to looking up by *name*, so we can stop throwing the IDs around | 08:18 |
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| marios | tchaypo: yeah +1 that is a docs bug | 08:19 |
| tchaypo | StevenK: do you want to un-conflict that patch then? | 08:19 |
| StevenK | tchaypo: Sure. | 08:19 |
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| tchaypo | StevenK: <3 | 08:19 |
| lifeless | o/ | 08:21 |
| lifeless | sorry, baby etc | 08:21 |
| tchaypo | I’m not seeing any other critical bugs | 08:21 |
| tchaypo | lifeless: welcome :) | 08:21 |
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| tchaypo | Okay, moving on | 08:23 |
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| tchaypo | #info There's a dashboard linked from https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TripleO#Review_team - look for "TripleO Inbox Dashboard" | 08:25 |
| tchaypo | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-openreviews.html | 08:25 |
| tchaypo | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-30.txt | 08:25 |
| tchaypo | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-90.txt | 08:25 |
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| tchaypo | dangnabbit. | 08:27 |
| tchaypo | #topic reviews | 08:27 |
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| tchaypo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142270/ is our oldest-since-negative-review | 08:28 |
| tchaypo | it’s a simple new document. It should be simple to get this landed today if one or two people can look at it. | 08:28 |
| marios | will do | 08:28 |
| tchaypo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/108168/ is a spec, also about selinux; needs more cores to give their stamp. | 08:29 |
| lifeless | greghaynes: commented on that bug | 08:29 |
| * tchaypo notes that he has been guilty of not taking the time to read it | 08:29 | |
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| lifeless | greghaynes: I think it should be downgraded, its a known defect, not an OMG moment - we knowingly made the choice to get there, its not a surprise | 08:29 |
| tchaypo | and third on the list is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112039/ - looks like a more complex change | 08:31 |
| greghaynes | lifeless: mmm, well it basically means the auth on our cluster is not so valid | 08:31 |
| lifeless | greghaynes: we should switch to https of course | 08:31 |
| greghaynes | Im more concerned that the data is in heat at all | 08:31 |
| greghaynes | we should just scp over that file | 08:32 |
| tchaypo | using what credentials? | 08:32 |
| greghaynes | (until a sane solution arises) | 08:32 |
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| tchaypo | or do oyu mean, push it over? | 08:32 |
| lifeless | greghaynes: that would mean we have to be directly involved on every deploy | 08:32 |
| greghaynes | tchaypo: stackuser which is how we were doing it previously | 08:32 |
| lifeless | greghaynes: if we can't trust the source of our config data, its game over anyway | 08:33 |
| lifeless | greghaynes: heat can give itself root on our machines trivially | 08:33 |
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| tchaypo | I don’t think it’s about trusting the source, it’s about the fact that it’s trivial for other machines to get the secret | 08:33 |
| lifeless | other machines in the stack? | 08:34 |
| lifeless | I thought we had per machine creds, that they couldn't read the entire config, only admins can | 08:34 |
| greghaynes | I think as a compute node you just have to spoof the ip of a control node and hit cfn api | 08:35 |
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| greghaynes | We can discuss this on the bug though | 08:37 |
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| greghaynes | oh, right, you have the os* creds as you said | 08:37 |
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| * greghaynes will comment on there | 08:38 | |
| tchaypo | very good. | 08:38 |
| tchaypo | Do we have any other topics worth covering today? | 08:38 |
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| tchaypo | okay | 08:44 |
| tchaypo | #endmeeting | 08:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 4 08:44:25 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-02-04-08.02.html | 08:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-02-04-08.02.txt | 08:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-02-04-08.02.log.html | 08:44 |
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| banix | Hi | 16:00 |
| Sukhdev | Hello | 16:00 |
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| rkukura | hi ML2’ers! | 16:00 |
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| yamahata | hello | 16:00 |
| rcurran | hi | 16:01 |
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| trinaths1 | Hi All | 16:01 |
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| rkukura | let’s wait a moment for others to show up | 16:02 |
| trinaths1 | ML2 meeting right ? | 16:02 |
| rkukura | trinaths1: right! | 16:02 |
| rkukura | shivharis: Are you here? | 16:03 |
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| shivharis | hi | 16:03 |
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| rkukura | OK, lets get started… | 16:03 |
| rkukura | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 4 16:04:12 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rkukura. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 16:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:04 |
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| yamamoto | hi | 16:04 |
| trinaths1 | hi | 16:04 |
| rkukura | #link Agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2 | 16:04 |
| rkukura | #topic Announcements | 16:05 |
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| rkukura | My only annoucement is that mestery plans to cut kilo-2 today if possible | 16:06 |
| mestery | rkukura: Ack, by tomorrow morning for sure. Just waiting on one final BP which has a single patch left, and a handful of bugs. | 16:06 |
| rkukura | See https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2 for what’s left | 16:06 |
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| rkukura | Looks to me like the only items for ML2 that hasn’t yet merged but might is https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1179223 | 16:07 |
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| rkukura | Is Romil here? | 16:07 |
| rkukura | This is the bug about tunnel allocations not getting cleaned up. Would be great to get reviews today from those most familiar with the type driver code. | 16:09 |
| rkukura | Any other announcements? | 16:09 |
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| rkukura | #topic ML2 Drivers decomposition discussion | 16:10 |
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| rkukura | So its seems we are making progress on this, and there was discussion at the neutron IRC meeting Monday. What do we need to cover today? | 16:11 |
| shivharis | Sukhdev: how did u maintain the history of comments for your driver (splited) | 16:11 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: what do you mean? | 16:12 |
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| Sukhdev | when you pull the stackforge repo - there are two ways to do it | 16:12 |
| Sukhdev | 1) you can pull the code directly from the neutron tree - that will keep all the history | 16:12 |
| trinaths1 | Sukhdev: can we have a doc on code split like you have helping doc for CI. | 16:13 |
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| Sukhdev | 2) you do not pull anything and get a clean repo - this will not keep any history and logs | 16:13 |
| shivharis | how will your historical comments show up in the stackforge repo? | 16:13 |
| Sukhdev | trinaths1: I might, if more people want it - but, you can look at my patches - it is all done and it is going in K2 today | 16:14 |
| shivharis | if i do git log in stackforge will it show the comments logs from earlier releases? | 16:14 |
| trinaths1 | shivharis: (doubt for new bee) "Historical Comments"? | 16:14 |
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| shivharis | when you make changes to your code - you maintain a history and the abitlity to go backwards | 16:15 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: if you created stackforge with 1) above, then, yes - otherwise no | 16:15 |
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| trinaths1 | shivharis: okay | 16:15 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: actually, I think before you take my word for it, please double check with infra folks | 16:15 |
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| trinaths1 | Sukhdev: how to init into stackforge with a project. - may be you can help me offline. | 16:16 |
| shivharis | here is what i did: | 16:16 |
| Sukhdev | trinaths1: please ping me off-line and I will help | 16:16 |
| trinaths1 | Sukhdev: thanks you | 16:16 |
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| shivharis | you need to use "split.sh" to do the split and give it a list of files that you want to maintain the histroy and deltas for, including "tags" | 16:17 |
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| shivharis | so you will be able to go back to stable releases if you want to | 16:17 |
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| shivharis | appears folks have not tried this approach? | 16:18 |
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| shivharis | never mind lets move on... | 16:18 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: does it work if you are moving parts of the files? | 16:18 |
| shivharis | granularity is a file | 16:19 |
| manishg | Sukhdev, if you can move the file and then in next rev edit and remove the parts you don't need. That way you have the history. | 16:19 |
| shivharis | the entire history of the file is maintained | 16:19 |
| Sukhdev | good to know… | 16:20 |
| rkukura | OK, seems useful to include the history, but not critical since we are not decomposing for releases prior to kilo, right? | 16:20 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: correct - | 16:20 |
| shivharis | rkukura: it depends on the plugin/driver, some plugins have long histories | 16:21 |
| manishg | rkukura: sometimes people wipe out content thinking they can go back. Only to realize a year later things moved around and that code is lost. | 16:21 |
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| rkukura | The history will remain in the neutron repo, so I don’t see risk of losing anything. | 16:22 |
| shivharis | I think the problem will arise when you use a tag for neutron and a similar tag in not available in the driver | 16:22 |
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| manishg | rkukura: that's true. | 16:22 |
| rkukura | Any other issues related to decomposition that anyone would like to discuss today? | 16:22 |
| trinaths1 | Sukhdev: what is the deadline for this code split? | 16:23 |
| Sukhdev | trinaths1: You have until next release cycle | 16:23 |
| shivharis | rkukura: maybe alright, but we need to specify a method the we commonly use? | 16:23 |
| trinaths1 | Sukhdev: L ? | 16:23 |
| Sukhdev | trinaths1: yes | 16:23 |
| shivharis | k3? | 16:23 |
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| trinaths1 | shivharis: L-3 | 16:23 |
| shivharis | or L | 16:23 |
| shivharis | ok | 16:23 |
| trinaths1 | Sukhdev: Am I correct L-3 ? | 16:23 |
| Sukhdev | trinaths1: yes | 16:24 |
| rkukura | Do we know of drivers for which decomposition is planned for L rather than K? | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: Hard to tell | 16:24 |
| shivharis | I am shooting for k3 | 16:24 |
| shivharis | brocade is shooting for k3 | 16:24 |
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| Sukhdev | as long as some work is initiated in Kilo, it is OK to complete in L | 16:25 |
| shivharis | I have one more question: | 16:25 |
| rkukura | I only see kilo mentioned in https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OQN0VlKzKC1gYlxgalQXKDTGGWogWFRtD3S5OpepsX4/edit#gid=0 | 16:25 |
| trinaths1 | Freescale for L-1 | 16:25 |
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| rkukura | trinaths1: OK, thanks | 16:25 |
| rkukura | shivharis: go ahead | 16:25 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: keep in mind, you need two CIs working - before you declare victory | 16:25 |
| trinaths1 | Sukhdev: two CI's ? | 16:26 |
| shivharis | When you pull neutron, what are the steps needed to pull your stackforge, I just want to find out what others are doing | 16:26 |
| Sukhdev | trinaths1: Yes - one for the neutron repo and another for stackforge repo | 16:26 |
| trinaths1 | Sukhdev: but for stackforge, I see Jenkins like jobs apart from them We need Vendor CI ? | 16:27 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Is the one for the neutron repo the one that runs the tempest tests using the decomposed driver and pulling in the stackforge repo? | 16:27 |
| shivharis | is stackforge repo CI optional? | 16:27 |
| trinaths1 | shivharis: +1 | 16:27 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: yes | 16:27 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: no - how are you going to know if things are broken - | 16:27 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: And is the other the vendor’s own CI for the stackforge repo standalone? | 16:28 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: in fact, that is the most useful one | 16:28 |
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| trinaths1 | Sukhdev: confused? why we need a vendor CI for Stackforge? What tests does it run apart from Neutron -Vendor CI? | 16:28 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: I would think some vendors might consider unit tests in their stackforge repos sufficient, and depend on the neutron-based CI for integation testing. | 16:29 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: the stackforge CI to ensure the authencity of the vendor code | 16:29 |
| GLaupre | I am confused, CI means? | 16:29 |
| trinaths1 | GLaupre: Continuous Integration Testing | 16:29 |
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| shivharis | You cannot run the vendor CI, since it imports "neutron" and "openstack" modules | 16:30 |
| Sukhdev | There seems to be a confusion about CIs | 16:30 |
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| ChuckC_ | is there documentation somewhere that can help with this confusion? | 16:30 |
| shivharis | Sukhdev: I dont see how you can even run a standalone CI?^^^^^ | 16:30 |
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| rkukura | I’m not aware of any explciit requirement for “autromated standalone CI” of the stackforge repos. Vendors may be OK with just running the UTs as CI, or may want to test against their hardware. | 16:31 |
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| trinaths1 | TWO CIs are causing confusion on their importance and tests they run | 16:31 |
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| Sukhdev | If you are OK with the UT on the stackforge side, you may want to skip the CI - but, how are going to test the breakage between Neutron-and-vendor interaction? | 16:32 |
| shivharis | standalone CI has to be optional, in some enviroments it may not even be possible | 16:32 |
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| Sukhdev | If you make a change to vendor code which breaks neutron-driver interaction - how do you intend to catch it? If your UTs are smart enough, you may not need it | 16:33 |
| rkukura | My view is that only the neutron-based CI is required by the neutron community. How to develop and test the backend library is the vendor’s business. | 16:33 |
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| shivharis | rkukura: +1 | 16:34 |
| trinaths1 | rkukura: +2 | 16:34 |
| banix | Sorry got disconnected. Will check the logs later. | 16:34 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Does that make sense to you, or do you feel there is a reuiqment here? | 16:34 |
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| rkukura | requirement | 16:35 |
| rkukura | banix: still on decomposition | 16:35 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: I think you are probably correct - I have not read any requirement as such | 16:35 |
| rkukura | Anything else on decomposition before we move on to sync and error handling? | 16:36 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: I believe as long as vendors ensure the integrity of their code, it is their own busniess | 16:36 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: agreed | 16:36 |
| shivharis | I had an earlier questions... tracing back.. | 16:36 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: just a quick note | 16:36 |
| trinaths1 | Sukhdev: that way, stackforge Vendor CIs are not of priority | 16:36 |
| shivharis | Q: When you pull neutron, what are the steps needed to pull your stackforge, I just want to find out what others are doing | 16:37 |
| Sukhdev | If you have a CI already running modifying it to do the tests for stackforge is very trivial - you simply look for additional triggers | 16:37 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: there are multiple ways to do it | 16:38 |
| shivharis | listening... | 16:38 |
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| Sukhdev | Once you have finalized everything - it will be very trivial like "pip install networking_brocade" | 16:38 |
| banix | Sorry this is what I wrote earlier but got lost: note some drivers may be not in StackForge so only one CI is required. | 16:39 |
| Sukhdev | prior to finalizing everything - here is the quick way to test it | 16:39 |
| Sukhdev | 1) git clone <stack-forge repo> | 16:39 |
| Sukhdev | 2) cd to it | 16:39 |
| Sukhdev | 3) python setup.py install | 16:39 |
| Sukhdev | and you are done | 16:40 |
| shivharis | pip install installs in the /usr/local I am talking about development environment | 16:40 |
| Sukhdev | to test it - do the following | 16:40 |
| manishg | rkukura: should we document this somewhere? maybe Sukhdev or someone can volunteer to set something up and we could move on? | 16:40 |
| Sukhdev | 1) python | 16:40 |
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| trinaths1 | manishg: +1 | 16:40 |
| Sukhdev | 2) >>>>import networking_brocade and you should see all the code | 16:40 |
| rkukura | Should this go in the devref that armax has been working on? | 16:40 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura:what devref? | 16:41 |
| shivharis | Sukhdev: thanks, but how does one iterate this in the dev env | 16:41 |
| manishg | I'll be back in a couple of minutes. | 16:41 |
| rkukura | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/devref/ | 16:42 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: easy - in my CI, I have couple of lines before I fire off stack.sh | 16:42 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: tahnks | 16:42 |
| shivharis | my question is prior to CI, I want to commit a change to stackforge, where was this stackforge deposited? | 16:43 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: you lost me | 16:43 |
| shivharis | was this stackforge within the neutron tree? | 16:43 |
| rkukura | manishg: I’d like to reserve a couple minutes at least for your update on sync/errors | 16:43 |
| manishg | rkukura: no worries. I'm here. | 16:44 |
| banix_ | rkukura: +1 need to talk rsync! | 16:44 |
| manishg | rkukura: I also wanted to talk about the wiki and the format, etc. + how to proceed. | 16:44 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: still confused --- these are two separate repos, right? | 16:44 |
| shivharis | rkukura: I have many questions, I dont want to occupy the entire meeting... | 16:44 |
| Sukhdev | manishg: I took a look - it looked fine to me | 16:45 |
| shivharis | rkukura: please move on.. | 16:45 |
| manishg | Sukhdev: cool. will propose some items when we get to that task in the meeting. | 16:45 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: Ping me off line and I will help you out | 16:45 |
| rkukura | shivharis: If you are willing to capture info in a wiki or google doc, I’d expect those who’ve done this before will be happy to advize you offline | 16:45 |
| shivharis | i have done most of it, i am getting finer points clarified | 16:46 |
| rkukura | OK, lets move on… | 16:46 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: perhaps we can collectively put together a wiki for ML2 drivers | 16:46 |
| rkukura | #topic ML2 Sync and error handling (Task Flow) | 16:46 |
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| trinaths1 | Sukhdev: has to take tutorials for me and manishg | 16:46 |
| manishg | rkukura: I followed up re the API/ RPC breakup in kilo | 16:47 |
| manishg | it's been pushed out to K-3. | 16:47 |
| rkukura | I’d suggest capturing the knowledge in a wki or google doc, then we can see if it makes sense to add it to the devref later | 16:47 |
| manishg | Relevant specs are these: | 16:47 |
| manishg | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/wsgi-pecan-switch | 16:47 |
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| manishg | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/plugin-interface-perestroika | 16:47 |
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| manishg | I have resumed working on the patch re taskflow. It is a WIP. The main idea is | 16:48 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: you are referring to wiki/google doc for decomosition work, right? | 16:48 |
| banix_ | manishg: please post the link o your wip patch | 16:48 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: right, but I didn’t want to undo the topic change ;) | 16:48 |
| manishg | to basically start a taskflow threadpool executor and dispatch tasks to it from the mech drivers. This was the simple start. And I'm going to start it based on some work done recently https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136950/ | 16:49 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: got it | 16:49 |
| manishg | This was done by Angus based on my earlier WIP. I'll take this and add more to it. The next steps in this ar | 16:49 |
| manishg | are to introduce intermediate states. | 16:49 |
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| manishg | once that is done, the REST call can return without the mech drivers finishing up. | 16:50 |
| rkukura | manishg: How about adding this to the Planned section of https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Tracking_ML2_Subgroup_Reviews with relevant links | 16:50 |
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| manishg | rkukura: good idea. will add that today. | 16:50 |
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| Sukhdev | manishg: I think your thought process is correct | 16:50 |
| rkukura | manishg: Does this approach provide any persistance for these tasks, in case the server dies before they complete? | 16:50 |
| manishg | who all are interested in this ? Sukhdev , shivharis and rkukura - I'll post a new patch today and email to you guyus. | 16:51 |
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| Sukhdev | manishg: yes, please do - may include banix_ as well | 16:51 |
| shivharis | manishg: does the task take arguments for the callback? | 16:51 |
| manishg | rkukura: yes that can be done. but in the patch I want to go incrementally so people can see small changes (conceptually) at a time. | 16:51 |
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| rkukura | manishg: OK. Doesn’t hurt to CC openstack-dev if you want. | 16:52 |
| banix_ | yes please | 16:52 |
| manishg | rkukura: ok, will do. | 16:52 |
| shivharis | i am very interested in this | 16:52 |
| manishg | shivharis: yes, we can make it as complex or simple as needed. the capability can be added and the driver has the freedom to store any kind of state that it may need. | 16:53 |
| rkukura | OK, we have 8 minutes. Lets continue this discussion next week after we’ve looked over the current code. | 16:53 |
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| manishg | rkukura: sure. I'll add on to this by next week. | 16:53 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis is willing pay extra royalty for this :-):-) | 16:53 |
| rkukura | #topic Bugs | 16:53 |
| shivharis | manishg: thanks | 16:53 |
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| rkukura | shivharis: want to cover this? | 16:53 |
| shivharis | bugs... | 16:53 |
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| GLaupre | :) | 16:54 |
| shivharis | We have one high bug being handled by romilg | 16:54 |
| manishg | rkukura: wanted to just mention that re wiki people should add anything that should be reviewed in there. and remove it when done. | 16:54 |
| shivharis | rest of the high bugs (being addressed by neutron cores) are now k3 | 16:54 |
| rkukura | manishg: sorry, didn’t mean to skip that topic | 16:54 |
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| shivharis | so we dont have any pressing bug for k2 | 16:54 |
| rkukura | but lets finish bugs first | 16:54 |
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| shivharis | we look fine for bugs at the moment. | 16:55 |
| manishg | rkukura: sure. | 16:55 |
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| shivharis | i am really done with bugs, no pressing need for k2 except the bug addressed buy romilg | 16:55 |
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| shivharis | please provide review help ASAP for that | 16:56 |
| rkukura | I’ll review https://review.openstack.org/136106, others should too | 16:56 |
| rkukura | #topic BPs | 16:56 |
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| Sukhdev | FYI - here is the content for K2 - https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/kilo-2 | 16:56 |
| manishg | wanted to say that we shouldn't expect someone to constantly scan gerit and update it for them. | 16:56 |
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| manishg | that makes sense? | 16:57 |
| rkukura | Thanks manishg for pairing down https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Tracking_ML2_Subgroup_Reviews to the active BPs | 16:57 |
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| manishg | also, if the format needs to be changed, we can discuss it now. | 16:57 |
| manishg | e.g. we need to add more fields, etc. Looks like the current one is good enough for reviews and general tracking. | 16:57 |
| rkukura | yamahata and shwetaap have been working on portsecurity - update? | 16:58 |
| shwetaap | For the port security bp, as per the suggestion yesterday i have two different patches. One for the modification on the extension api https://review.openstack.org/#/c/152759/ and the other for the specific port security driver. | 16:58 |
| shwetaap | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150835/ | 16:58 |
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| manishg | shwetaap - I added link to them both in the link | 16:58 |
| shwetaap | manishg: thanks | 16:58 |
| manishg | please verify them. also, when the code is merged, please clear it from here. | 16:59 |
| rkukura | Lets review the extension driver API changes ASAP so they can move forward | 16:59 |
| manishg | rkukra: that's not in the list here? should be added? | 16:59 |
| rkukura | I believe the two remaining HPB patches are ready to merge | 16:59 |
| rkukura | thanks to help from matrohon on tracking down the DVR CI issue they were hitting | 17:00 |
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| manishg | ok. If BP needs review or has code that relevant to BP then pls add here. | 17:00 |
| shivharis | time check -1 mins left :-) | 17:00 |
| * Sukhdev time check | 17:00 | |
| rkukura | Time’s up - anything before we conclude? | 17:00 |
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| shwetaap | ok i will add the link | 17:00 |
| rkukura | Thanks everyone! | 17:00 |
| manishg | thanks rkukura! | 17:00 |
| banix_ | bye all | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | thnaks | 17:00 |
| manishg | bye. | 17:00 |
| rkukura | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 4 17:00:44 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-02-04-16.04.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-02-04-16.04.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-02-04-16.04.log.html | 17:00 |
| shivharis | thanks rkukura, bye all | 17:00 |
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| trinaths1 | bye | 17:00 |
| yamahata | thanks bye | 17:00 |
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| rkukura | bye | 17:01 |
| Kiall | #startmeeting Designate | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 4 17:01:19 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Kiall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:01 |
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| Kiall | Heya - Who's about? | 17:01 |
| timsim | o/ | 17:01 |
| vinod | o/ | 17:01 |
| rjrjr_ | o/ | 17:01 |
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| mugsie | o/ | 17:02 |
| Kiall | No actions from last meet, so first topic straight to the first topic: | 17:03 |
| Kiall | #topic Kilo Release Status (kiall - recurring) | 17:03 |
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| ekarlso | ello | 17:03 |
| Kiall | #link https://launchpad.net/designate/+milestone/kilo-2 | 17:03 |
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| Kiall | We have lots of bugs marked as in progress, meaning code reviews are up.. k2 sha1 needs to be given to Thierry tomorrow - The rest of my day is code reviews, if others can do the same hopefully we can land a few of those. | 17:03 |
| Kiall | Anything that looks risky to land, shouldn't be landed :) | 17:04 |
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| Kiall | Anyone have any reviews they think really need to land? | 17:04 |
| Kiall | I think rjrjr_'s cache/pools one probably needs to | 17:05 |
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| timsim | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148386/ imo | 17:05 |
| Kiall | Cool - betsy or mugsie will need to review or approve ^ one | 17:05 |
| Kiall | Any others? | 17:06 |
| Kiall | I'll take that as a no then ;) | 17:06 |
| timsim | Yeah just rjrjr_ 's | 17:07 |
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| vinod | betsy is off today so mugsie needs to step in :-) | 17:07 |
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| Kiall | Hah - mugsie is out too, but attending the meet ;) | 17:07 |
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| Kiall | Okay - We'll see what we can land before tomorrow, let's move on.. I'll skip the next topic (Pools - Where are we? (kiall - recurring)) since we decided to remove that from the recurring agenda.. | 17:08 |
| mugsie | if people send me lists of revirews - i will see if i can grt them done this evemning | 17:08 |
| Kiall | mugsie: will do.. | 17:08 |
| Kiall | #topic Summit Talks Submission (Deadline 2/9) (timsim) | 17:09 |
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| timsim | So we need to get our talk submissions in by next monday for Vancouver. | 17:09 |
| timsim | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2015/call-for-speakers/ | 17:09 |
| timsim | But we haven't really talked about what we want to do all that much, so I figured we should :) | 17:09 |
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| Kiall | Hah - Yea, do we know who's likely to be able to attend? | 17:10 |
| rjrjr_ | if i am presenting, i will be able to attend. :) | 17:10 |
| timsim | Not really (from our point of view). Having an accepted talk would increase those chances. | 17:10 |
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| rjrjr_ | designate installation workshop, pool manager, designate overview, designate agent - all sound like worthy discussions | 17:11 |
| Kiall | Okay - Well, Should we try organize a meet on Friday then to decide and submit something? | 17:11 |
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| timsim | Sure. Maybe throw up an etherpad with ideas and rough abstracts before then? | 17:12 |
| mugsie | +1 | 17:12 |
| rjrjr_ | +1 | 17:12 |
| Kiall | timsim: want to take charge of that? ;) | 17:12 |
| timsim | Kiall: Sure. | 17:12 |
| timsim | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/designate-vancouver-talks | 17:12 |
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| Kiall | #action timsim to start etherpad and mail everyone with a meet time for Friday :) | 17:13 |
| Kiall | and people to fill ideas into ^ etherpad | 17:13 |
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| timsim | Cool. We can move on :) | 17:14 |
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| Kiall | Trying to find the tab with the agenda to do so ;) | 17:14 |
| Kiall | #topic Next Sprint | 17:14 |
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| Kiall | timsim: you added this one I think? | 17:14 |
| mugsie | docs | 17:14 |
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| Kiall | Yep | 17:14 |
| Kiall | #topic https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/designate-documentation-sprint | 17:15 |
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| Kiall | lol | 17:15 |
| Kiall | #topic Next Sprint | 17:15 |
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| Kiall | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/designate-documentation-sprint | 17:15 |
| timsim | Actually just left over from last week, just wanted to remind folks to add their ideas there. | 17:15 |
| Kiall | That's better. | 17:15 |
| Kiall | Ah, I see ... I've put all mine down, has everyone else? | 17:15 |
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| timsim | I haven't taken all the time I should have to have thought about it, but I've added a few. | 17:16 |
| Kiall | And - everyone's free (US Morning, EU Afternoon) on Feb 13th to do it? | 17:16 |
| rjrjr_ | i'll be there. | 17:16 |
| timsim | Yep | 17:16 |
| vinod | I'' be there | 17:16 |
| mugsie | yup | 17:16 |
| Kiall | Cool - At the next meet, we should divvy up any areas listed out so people can think about them a little in advance. | 17:16 |
| Kiall | But - It looks like only myself and timsim have added suggestions, I've sure we can find more :) | 17:17 |
| timsim | Agreed. | 17:17 |
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| Kiall | rjrjr_ / mugsie / vinod - anything you think of, please add to the list before next weeks meeting then.. | 17:18 |
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| vinod | sure | 17:18 |
| Kiall | Okay .. Lets move on so.. | 17:18 |
| Kiall | #topic Bug triage (timsim) | 17:18 |
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| timsim | Just wondered if we should triage some of the bugs out there, there seem to be quite a few. If not, move on :P | 17:19 |
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| Kiall | Yea - The "untriaged-bot" list of bugs has been growing, and the list of stuff triaged but not fixed/in-progress is growing too.. | 17:19 |
| Kiall | I also think we have a large number of invalid bugs.. | 17:20 |
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| timsim | Maybe at some point we get them together and go through them. Or action someone. | 17:20 |
| Kiall | Any suggestions on how we can make tame the list more easily? Ideally, not a once off triage meet, something ongoing so we can get the list down and keep it down :) | 17:21 |
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| Kiall | Should we add a "Bug Triage" item to the agenda, and work through new bugs each week trying to find owners etc? | 17:22 |
| vinod | how about a recurring agenda item for the irc and do it - ideally the last item on the agenda | 17:22 |
| timsim | I think, ideally there would be some designated (lol pun) team of people that looked at and made some determination on new bugs with 2 or 3 days. If they weren't handled during the week we could go through the ones from the week during the meet | 17:22 |
| timsim | s/with 2 or 3/within 2 or 3 | 17:22 |
| Kiall | I think the people on the meet are probably those same people :) | 17:23 |
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| timsim | Granted. | 17:23 |
| timsim | As the project grows it might be a good habit. | 17:23 |
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| timsim | I like vinod's idea though. | 17:24 |
| Kiall | ++ - But I think for now doing it once a week as a group in the meet works.. | 17:24 |
| Kiall | Okay - Anyone disagree? | 17:24 |
| rjrjr_ | sounds good to me! | 17:24 |
| Kiall | #action kiall to put Weekly Bug Triage on agenda as a recurring item.. | 17:24 |
| Kiall | sorted :) | 17:24 |
| timsim | Nice | 17:24 |
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| Kiall | #topic Open Discussion | 17:25 |
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| rjrjr_ | over 1/3rd of our outstanding bugs are in "Fix Committed", so that's good. | 17:25 |
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| Kiall | So - Apologies for being so absent the last little while, myself and mugsie have had 3 days in the office since returning from the christmas break.. We're (almost) done with travel at this point.. And the next one shouldn't be as disruptive as the others. | 17:26 |
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| Kiall | rjrjr_: yep, it's the In Progress ones I'm worried about :) All the Fix Comitted will be moved to Fix Released tomorrow | 17:27 |
| Kiall | once Thierry cut's the k2 release for us | 17:27 |
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| rjrjr_ | a dozen in "In progress". nice! | 17:27 |
| Kiall | Anyone have any off-agenda topics to bring up? | 17:27 |
| timsim | dvorak? | 17:28 |
| dvorak | sure | 17:28 |
| dvorak | I'm investingating deploying designate for our prod environment, and right now we have a cross-region galera cluster, but rabbit clusters that are local to each region | 17:29 |
| dvorak | I'm wondering if it'd be a crazy thing to have local designate instances in each region share the database in order to be able to have domains available in multiple regions | 17:30 |
| dvorak | or if that's going to explode in interesting ways | 17:30 |
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| Kiall | So, I'm assuming you're already OK with the latency introduced with cross-region galera cluster? | 17:30 |
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| dvorak | yeah, we use it for keystone and for horizon caching | 17:30 |
| dvorak | we own the network between the datacenters, so that's managable | 17:31 |
| dvorak | horizon session state I mean | 17:31 |
| timsim | What kind of scale are we talking about? | 17:31 |
| dvorak | we have separate, local galera clusters for other services that it doesn't make sense to replicate | 17:31 |
| Kiall | Okay - Well, In theory if you have all the designate components deployed in each region, sharing a DB, that should work just fine assuming your OK with the synchnous replication lag... EXCEPT for 1 quirk.. | 17:31 |
| dvorak | timsim: scale in what dimension? | 17:32 |
| timsim | How many zones/records are you expecting, and how many changes are you expecting to make? | 17:32 |
| dvorak | honestly, it's all greenfield from a DNS standpoint right now, so it's hard to say, but I'd say less than low hundreds of tenants, probably relatively static records, other than instance spinup/down, which would probably again be hundreds to low thousands per day | 17:33 |
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| dvorak | that's all really guessing though | 17:33 |
| Kiall | The domain table has a serial # column, and galera does opportunistic locking inside transactions, so 2 changes to one zone at each side can conflict - one will get dupmed out as a SQL Deadlock, which is different behaviour to what would happen with a single non-clustered MySQL.. | 17:33 |
| dvorak | Kiall: and in that case will the transaction get retried, or an error returned to the requester? | 17:34 |
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| Kiall | dvorak: Today - No, I have a review up to make it retry.. but it's got out of date and needs an update: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134524/ | 17:34 |
| Kiall | Once it's merged to master I plan on backporting to Juno | 17:34 |
| timsim | I feel like that can probably work, excluding where changes might be made to a zone in two places at once. Changes might be slow to propogate though, as you'd have two wait for a syncing mechanism to come through and get changes, rather than pushing them out right away (they'll go out right away in one DC, but the other will take longer) | 17:35 |
| Kiall | A temporary workaround for that not being merged would be to use a single DB server as "master" for all the regions, the latency is larger again that way, but if the regions are close, it should be OK.. | 17:36 |
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| dvorak | that'd probably be workable. We already do that inside a given region anyway | 17:36 |
| Kiall | (We actually use Galera for HP Cloud DNS, and even within a region only every write to a single cluster member at once..) | 17:36 |
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| Kiall | timsim: galera is synchronous replication, unlike standard mysql replication.. | 17:37 |
| dvorak | I suspect our primary use case for most updates will be instance launch, and if galera takes longer to replicatte than the instance takes to boot, then I guess that'd be very good problem, or a very bad problem | 17:37 |
| Kiall | A transaction won't commit until the change has been propagated to all the DB servers in the cluster | 17:37 |
| dvorak | for keystone we typically see replication <1-2 seconds | 17:37 |
| timsim | Wait, Kiall with Juno how would you push those changes out to two separate dns deployments? | 17:37 |
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| dvorak | and I suspect the tokens are a lot bigger transactions than the designate ones would be | 17:38 |
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| Kiall | dvorak: Well, designate's DB schema has more "hot" points than Keystones.. Specially the domain serial number | 17:38 |
| dvorak | Kiall: it has to be certified commitable by the other galera cluster members, but it doesn't have to be commited or visible yet | 17:38 |
| Kiall | issuing a new token in Keystone is a simple INSERT, while adding a record in Designate is a INSERT and UPDATE | 17:39 |
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| dvorak | ie, they have the data, they've validated it won't fail due to conflict, but it isn't necessarily commited on all members when the client returns | 17:39 |
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| dvorak | Kiall: nod, I'm speaking strictly about the replication lag time | 17:39 |
| Kiall | Ah - I didn't know that.. | 17:39 |
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| dvorak | we have a monitoring metric for cross-region keystone replication, that's how we got into this | 17:40 |
| Kiall | Anyway - The other option BTW - Is to deploy all of designate designate in 1 region, and onlt designate-sink in the other region - pointed at the first regions RMQ | 17:40 |
| dvorak | we'll get a token in one region, then measure how long it takes to be valid in the other | 17:40 |
| dvorak | that's not a bad option either, for initial deployment | 17:40 |
| dvorak | ok, so sounds like there are some good options to explore | 17:41 |
| Kiall | Yea, I think once retry on deadlock lands and is backported to Juno, the problem mostly goes away | 17:41 |
| rjrjr_ | kiall, designate sink will read from one RMQ and write to another? | 17:41 |
| dvorak | Kiall: I assume that'd be before kilo releases? | 17:41 |
| Kiall | At that points is really all about if your happy to deal with the replication lag | 17:41 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: DOOH | 17:41 |
| rjrjr_ | or are you talking about shovelling the traffic between RMQ? | 17:41 |
| Kiall | dvorak: that last suggestion won't work, as rjrjr_ found out the hard way a while back. | 17:41 |
| dvorak | I don't see the replication lag as an issue | 17:41 |
| dvorak | I'm fine with it taking a few seconds for new records to be valid | 17:42 |
| Kiall | Yea, for DNS a little bit of lag really isn't the end of the world | 17:42 |
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| dvorak | fair enough, I'm also ok with *trying* to do cross region DB across if need be also. This is really at the exploratory stages. We may not have a hard requirement for cross-site domains, but I suspect it would be desireable | 17:43 |
| Kiall | dvorak: let us know how your testing works out :) | 17:43 |
| Kiall | Okay - Any other off topic items? | 17:43 |
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| rjrjr_ | dvorak, we are in the same boat. rolling out next week! | 17:43 |
| rjrjr_ | we are going with regional databases to start, then galera after some testing. | 17:44 |
| timsim | Does Friday at the time of this meeting, or an hour before work for everyone to plan vancouver talks? | 17:44 |
| Kiall | timsim: yea, that works for me | 17:45 |
| vinod | +1 | 17:45 |
| rjrjr_ | which one are we agreeing to. :) | 17:46 |
| dvorak | No idea if it'll be accepted, but I optimistically proposed a talk about our deployment that I haven't started :) | 17:46 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: either for me ;) | 17:46 |
| timsim | Cool. I'll schedule it for 16:00 UTC | 17:46 |
| Kiall | dvorak: oh nice :) | 17:46 |
| timsim | 10 AM texas time. | 17:46 |
| rjrjr_ | sounds good. | 17:47 |
| timsim | For two hours, and if we want to go an hour later, we'll do that :P | 17:47 |
| timsim | Alright, I'm all good :) | 17:47 |
| Kiall | Okay - Works for me.. :) | 17:48 |
| Kiall | Anything else before we call it a day? | 17:48 |
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| Kiall | Reminder - Add docs bits to the docs sprint etherpad, and code review anything tagged k2 that you can.. tomorrow's the day | 17:48 |
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| Kiall | Okay - See you guys later, time for me to get on those code reviews :) | 17:50 |
| Kiall | #endmeeting | 17:50 |
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