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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 5 15:00:11 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
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| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
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| vponomaryov | hello | 15:00 |
| markstur_ | hi | 15:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:00 |
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| u_glide | hi | 15:00 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:00 |
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| xyang_ | hi | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | ok | 15:01 |
| bswartz | some of you may have seen my ML post | 15:01 |
| bswartz | K-2 was completed last night | 15:01 |
| geguileo | hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | thanks again to those who helped out with reviews | 15:02 |
| rushil | \o | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | #topic kilo-3 | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "kilo-3 (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:02 | |
| bswartz | so now stuff targeted for K-3 can start merging | 15:02 |
| mkoderer | hi | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | you can read my ML post for reminders about the deadlines | 15:02 |
| bswartz | #link https://launchpad.net/manila/+milestone/kilo-3 | 15:03 |
| bswartz | there's a lot of stuff here | 15:03 |
| bswartz | this list needs to get cleaned up | 15:03 |
| bswartz | really there's only 4 weeks left to wrap up features so I'm sure some of the things there simply won't make it | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | do yourself a favor and submit early so your feature isn't one that doesn't make it | 15:04 |
| bswartz | after Kilo-3, there will be no new features until L | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | okay enough on that | 15:05 |
| bswartz | #topic dev status | 15:05 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "dev status (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:05 | |
| vponomaryov | dev status: | 15:05 |
| vponomaryov | 1) New standalone network plugin | 15:05 |
| vponomaryov | BP: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/standalone-network-plugin | 15:05 |
| vponomaryov | gerrit: #link https://review.openstack.org/151640 | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | status: ready for review | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | 2) Generic driver now has two driver modes - with and without share servers handling. | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | 3) Manila has functionality "level of access for shares". Some new drivers have it, but all existing should start using it where possible. | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | 4) Types improvements: | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | BP: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/share-type-require-driver-mode | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | BP: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/default-volume-type | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | status: work in progress | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | 5) Manage/unmanage shares | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | BP: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/manage-shares | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | gerrit: #link https://review.openstack.org/147495 | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | status: finished, ready for review | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | 6) level of visibility for shares | 15:07 |
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| vponomaryov | BP: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/level-of-visibility-for-shares | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | gerrit: #link https://review.openstack.org/148853 | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | status: ready for review | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | that's the main | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | so there's a lot there that's ready for review | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | I've been prioritizing K2 stuff over reviewing these so hopefully now I can get to all of those | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | I don't think any of the above is new, but now's your chance to ask if you want to know about something | 15:09 |
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| jasonsb | i was curious about access level | 15:09 |
| jasonsb | is it going to stay the way it is for a while | 15:09 |
| bswartz | that's just the read-only/read-write discussion we had a few weeks back | 15:09 |
| jasonsb | or were you thinking about adding more attributes | 15:10 |
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| jasonsb | (or still digesting) | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | anything we add would need need support from backends | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | if some backends can't support a certain level then we can't really standardize it | 15:11 |
| jasonsb | i was thinking about the root-squash conversation | 15:11 |
| jasonsb | okdokey | 15:11 |
| bswartz | read-only and read-write seem like the only universally understood access levels | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | root-squash needs a closer look -- it's a very common concept in the NFS world -- but I don't know if anyone can't support it | 15:11 |
| bswartz | is anyone aware of a backend that can do NFS but can't do root squashing? | 15:12 |
| ganso_ | I do not know, need to investigate that | 15:12 |
| bswartz | well this silence sounds promising | 15:13 |
| markstur_ | would not be able to do it on CIFS. Only on NFS. | 15:13 |
| bswartz | yeah CIFS is totally different | 15:13 |
| bswartz | CIFS actually has security in the protocol unlike NFS | 15:14 |
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| * bswartz is joking.... | 15:14 | |
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| bswartz | okay on to everyone's favorite topic | 15:15 |
| bswartz | #topic manila midcycle meetup | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | So the dates are set | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | Feb 11 and Feb 12 | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | so far nobody took me up on my offer to host people locally in RTP, which is what I expected | 15:16 |
| dalgaaf | is there alreay an agenda? | 15:16 |
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| mkoderer | I guess it would be useful to assign some times to the agenda | 15:16 |
| bswartz | Since the meetup will be purely virtual, it should be better for those who can't join locally | 15:16 |
| bswartz | oh yeah | 15:17 |
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| bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-kilo-midcycle-meetup | 15:17 |
| bswartz | so the agenda is just a random list at the moment | 15:17 |
| bswartz | we need to prioritize the items and do some scheduling | 15:17 |
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| dalgaaf | sounds good | 15:17 |
| mkoderer | will it be a web conference? or just irc? | 15:18 |
| bswartz | honestly I've only ever done face-to-face meetups so I'm not experienced with the challenges we're going to face | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | I'm going to use a Google Hangout, with a telephone bridge | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | need mute-hammer =) | 15:18 |
| ganso_ | vponomaryov: lol +1 | 15:18 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: ok let's try that... ;) | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | google hangouts is unfortunately limited in the number of people that can join, but a teleconference system can scale pretty well | 15:19 |
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| bswartz | and we've bridged the 2 before with relatively good success | 15:19 |
| jasonsb | voice qualality on google is really good though | 15:19 |
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| bswartz | so the main challenge for the meetup will be that, because nobody is traveling, we're all in different timezones | 15:19 |
| mkoderer | yep I won't be available all the time for instance | 15:20 |
| bswartz | and the times I selected will be very difficult for some people (USA west coast and pacific ocean in particular) | 15:20 |
| mkoderer | so having timeslots for topics would be nice | 15:20 |
| dalgaaf | which time zones are the developers mostly from? | 15:20 |
| dalgaaf | USA and Europe? | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | dalgaaf: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-kilo-midcycle-meetup | 15:20 |
| mkoderer | dalgaaf: it all in here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-kilo-midcycle-meetup | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | the plan is to duplicate some content in the "morning" and "afternoon" sessions so that people who can't join one can still participate | 15:21 |
| bswartz | however I have no idea how well that will work | 15:21 |
| bswartz | If there's stuff you'd like to talk about or hear about, please add it to the agenda | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | Personally I want to spend time on things that will matter during the rest of Kilo | 15:22 |
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| mkoderer | bswartz: will you do the prioritization or should we do a voting? | 15:23 |
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| bswartz | please add your +1 to topics you want on the etherpad and I'll do my best | 15:23 |
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| bswartz | we can also discuss here if there's anything someone would really like to see/hear | 15:24 |
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| marcusvrn1 | the meetings that will be on wednesday can be duplicated, but what about thursday meeting? | 15:25 |
| bswartz | My plan is to prepare a presentation on manila architecture (aimed at future developers and deployers) and to try it out on you guys | 15:25 |
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| bswartz | marcusvrn1: the "afternoon" session on Wednesday will have to cover anything from the "morning" sessions that people are interested in | 15:26 |
| bswartz | I thought 12 hours would be the max we could all stand being on the phone | 15:26 |
| dalgaaf | does it make even sense to duplicate ? | 15:27 |
| bswartz | and I weighted the time towards the timezones that most people will be available | 15:27 |
| marcusvrn1 | bswartz: ok! | 15:27 |
| bswartz | maybe this format won't work out well | 15:27 |
| ganso_ | maybe we should add +1 and our names as well? | 15:27 |
| dalgaaf | e.g. at the ceph developer Summit, which was completely virtual, we didn't duplicate | 15:28 |
| bswartz | but I don't have a better idea given the international nature of the team | 15:28 |
| dalgaaf | check e.g.: https://wiki.ceph.com/Planning/CDS/CDS_Giant_and_Hammer_%28Jun_2014%29 | 15:28 |
| bswartz | dalgaaf: I like that idea, but I'm wondering how spread out the ceph team is, timezone-wise | 15:28 |
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| dalgaaf | US, EMEA, Asia | 15:28 |
| dalgaaf | the first day was US and EMEA mainly and the second day US and Asia | 15:29 |
| dalgaaf | but you still can attend to both tracks if you are interested ;) | 15:29 |
| bswartz | we won't have as much prepared presentation content for this summit | 15:30 |
| bswartz | I want a lot of discussion to happen -- I think that's the main value of these meetups | 15:30 |
| bswartz | and duplicating discussion is really hard to do | 15:30 |
| dalgaaf | I'm simply not sure how it will work if you discuss a topic twice | 15:30 |
| bswartz | yeah I don't think we'll duplicate discussions, but we can duplicate presentations and we can do a recap of earlier discussion for those that missed them | 15:31 |
| bswartz | I expect we'll learn a lot by trying this out | 15:31 |
| bswartz | and for L we can either plan it much further in advance and hope more people can travel, or try to shift to a format more like ceph's | 15:32 |
| dalgaaf | is there a plan to record the sessions and put it e.g. on youtube? | 15:32 |
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| bswartz | I think we can get audio recorded fairly easily | 15:32 |
| mkoderer | dalgaaf: do you know who that works for the ceph summit.. is it just an option in google hangout? | 15:33 |
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| dalgaaf | I assume ... both google products | 15:33 |
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| dalgaaf | I can ask the ceph guys how it works | 15:34 |
| bswartz | I hope to get my architecture presentation polished enough for a youtube video, but it won't be by next week | 15:34 |
| mkoderer | but writing imporant things down on etherpad works too IMHO | 15:34 |
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| bswartz | yeah we will absolutely take notes on etherpad | 15:34 |
| dalgaaf | https://support.google.com/plus/answer/2553119?hl=en | 15:34 |
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| bswartz | I've been to a few Cinder meetups and I like very much how their format works, but they have the advantage of being mostly USA based, and people are able to travel | 15:35 |
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| bswartz | anything else about the meetup? | 15:37 |
| dalgaaf | if the meetup is prepared 2 or 3 months in front it's may also possible to travel | 15:37 |
| bswartz | and questions or things you'd like to see/hear? | 15:37 |
| bswartz | yeah I hear you dalgaaf | 15:37 |
| bswartz | for L we will schedule it before vancouver | 15:37 |
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| bswartz | and for those of you who don't know, I won't be attending Vancouver in person, due to the birth of my second child | 15:38 |
| markstur_ | congrats | 15:38 |
| bswartz | so that will be an interesting challenge as well | 15:38 |
| jasonsb | oh congrats | 15:39 |
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| ganso_ | congrats :) | 15:39 |
| bswartz | at least vancouver isn't very far off from my home, timezone-wise | 15:39 |
| bswartz | thank you :) | 15:39 |
| marcusvrn1 | congrats | 15:39 |
| markstur_ | newborns don't care about time zones | 15:39 |
| jasonsb | heh | 15:39 |
| mkoderer | :) | 15:39 |
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| bswartz | well hopefully the baby will do me a favor and not be born until the Saturday after the conference | 15:40 |
| u_glide | :) | 15:40 |
| bswartz | but since these things are unpredictable, I plan to join remotely for as much as I can | 15:40 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | so anything else for today? | 15:41 |
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| mkoderer | tempest scenario testing | 15:41 |
| markstur_ | there is a survey to pick L name (and maybe name Ben's child?) | 15:41 |
| bswartz | if not, we can all get started on reviews for K-3 and preparing any presentations for next week | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | markstur_: lol | 15:41 |
| mkoderer | I really hope we can start with them next week | 15:42 |
| bswartz | mkoderer: yes! | 15:42 |
| bswartz | mkoderer: I'm very interested in that topic | 15:42 |
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| bswartz | the first thing I'd like to see if a test plan that all interested parties can review | 15:42 |
| mkoderer | should we put them into contrib/ before we move them into tempest directly? | 15:42 |
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| mkoderer | bswartz: ok. that should be possible :) | 15:43 |
| bswartz | I don't really care where the code lives as long as it gets written and we can use it to do better end-to-end testing | 15:43 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: I remeber that I acutually created a wiki page about it.. let me search | 15:43 |
| bswartz | tempest seems to be in flux at the moment anyways and it's not clear to me how it will shake out (or when) | 15:43 |
| bswartz | yeah a link to the wiki would be good | 15:43 |
| vponomaryov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/specs/scenario-tests | 15:44 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: ty! | 15:44 |
| mkoderer | vponomaryov: thx :) | 15:44 |
| bswartz | so this tables needs to get filled in with test plans | 15:44 |
| mkoderer | yeah it's empty but we need to fill it up | 15:44 |
| bswartz | so we can make sure that we're covering everything we need to | 15:44 |
| bswartz | once we can agree on the plan, we can create tasks and split them up amoung whoever's willing to work on them | 15:45 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: yep.. will do :) | 15:45 |
| bswartz | thank you for leading on this mkoderer | 15:45 |
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| bswartz | for anyone not familiar with the issue -- the existing tempest tests don't yet exercise the data path for shares created by manila | 15:45 |
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| bswartz | so it's possible for serious bugs to creep into the network code and the driver share-access code and for tempest not to catch them | 15:46 |
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| bswartz | thus manual tests are still needed to make sure everything works | 15:46 |
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| bswartz | once we have these "scenario tests" merged and running in the gate, we can have much higher confidence that individual changes aren't breaking things | 15:47 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: it is not related to driver not covered by CI | 15:48 |
| vponomaryov | any drivers | 15:48 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: that's another topic | 15:48 |
| bswartz | obviously the gate will only run these tests using the generic driver -- which is significantly better than what we have now | 15:49 |
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| bswartz | Vendor CI will be required to properly test the drivers | 15:49 |
| bswartz | and that's something I'd like to see for L | 15:49 |
| bswartz | the experience of the Cinder team with CI has been very interesting | 15:49 |
| bswartz | it's been painful for many, but ultimately it's been very positive | 15:49 |
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| bswartz | forcing vendors to test their drivers in an automated way really improves quality and increases community participation | 15:50 |
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| bswartz | some might argue that vendors should be testing their code anyways, but that's been proven to be untrue | 15:51 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: 95% of developers do not test their code =) | 15:52 |
| jasonsb | heh | 15:52 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: +1 | 15:52 |
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| bswartz | alright I think that's it for today | 15:53 |
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| bswartz | oh I'll put scenarios tests on the meetup agenda | 15:53 |
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| jasonsb | time to start socializing the cap ex | 15:53 |
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| bswartz | I want to talk about that some more | 15:53 |
| jasonsb | to run CI | 15:53 |
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| bswartz | okay I can put CI on the agenda to, so it's not a big surprise to anyone when we propose it for L | 15:53 |
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| bswartz | thanks everyone and see you next week | 15:54 |
| jasonsb | there will be some lead time i would expect | 15:54 |
| jasonsb | so sounds good | 15:54 |
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| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 5 15:54:54 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-02-05-15.00.html | 15:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-02-05-15.00.txt | 15:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-02-05-15.00.log.html | 15:55 |
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| xarses | hi folks | 16:02 |
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| dshulyak | hello | 16:02 |
| rvyalov | hi | 16:02 |
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| mihgen | hi guys | 16:02 |
| mkwiek | hello | 16:02 |
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| seeg | hi | 16:02 |
| prmtl | o/ | 16:02 |
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| mihgen | I don't see vkozhukalov here, not sure if he is gonna run meeting today | 16:03 |
| mihgen | he is on Ironic meetup | 16:03 |
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| agordeev | hi | 16:03 |
| akasatkin__ | hi | 16:03 |
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| tzn | Hi | 16:03 |
| mihgen | #startmeeting #fuel | 16:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 5 16:04:00 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihgen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: #fuel)" | 16:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to '_fuel' | 16:04 |
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| mihgen | let's start folks | 16:04 |
| mihgen | #topic New upstream approach to Ubuntu and impact on other features | 16:04 |
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| mihgen | tzn: is holser around? | 16:04 |
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| tzn | checking | 16:05 |
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| tzn | let’s go with second point | 16:06 |
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| tzn | Ok, he is here :) | 16:06 |
| holser | Hey | 16:06 |
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| evgeniyl___ | hi | 16:07 |
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| holser | Finally, we finalized our approach how we consume packages | 16:07 |
| holser | Fuel will stay very close to community and upstream packages | 16:08 |
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| holser | Basically, we’ll consume packages from Ubuntu upstream (main, universe, security …) and we’ll have own repository with own packages | 16:09 |
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| holser | It’s a big challange as we don’t control Ubuntu packages, so we are going to test our product everytime Ubuntu changes repository | 16:10 |
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| xarses | We should keep in mind that it would help with CentOS if we did something similar. We should keep an eye out for any low cost things we can also get in place for it. | 16:11 |
| holser | If some packages introduce regression or breaks the product completely we’ll put the package to our repository. Meanwhile we start working on most permanent resolution | 16:11 |
| holser | xarses, CentOS is on the way also | 16:11 |
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| mihgen | holser: what is the delta time we are going to have in order to fix broken package in our repo? | 16:11 |
| tzn | But not in 6.1 | 16:12 |
| xarses | holser: ok, just hoping we leave constructs open so centos is easy to plum into the fixtures for ubuntu | 16:12 |
| holser | We’ll have 24 hours SLA | 16:12 |
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| tzn | We will think about it, but intermediate solution should be in repo in 24h | 16:12 |
| holser | and we are going to test even before mirror updates | 16:12 |
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| tzn | We will inspect pending updates queue | 16:13 |
| holser | barthalion is doing some research on CLI and UI level | 16:13 |
| tzn | So we should be able to catch any problems before they are published | 16:13 |
| holser | to inform user … | 16:13 |
| mihgen | tzn: yeah, and my question is how much time do we have? | 16:13 |
| tzn | We will use hook for apt-get update | 16:13 |
| holser | tzn, yeah, that’s what we are going to do | 16:13 |
| mihgen | after we see a package in queue | 16:13 |
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| holser | we’ll catch problems, so we’ll have 24h to fix | 16:14 |
| mihgen | ok | 16:14 |
| tzn | Will investigate | 16:14 |
| holser | after 24h packages will appear in mirrors officially | 16:14 |
| holser | our repo should be updated before that | 16:14 |
| tzn | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/PerformingSRUVerification | 16:15 |
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| mattymo | there is a testing repo of ubuntu as well we could get a further advance notice on | 16:15 |
| holser | yeah | 16:15 |
| mihgen | thx guys | 16:15 |
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| tzn | minimum 7 days | 16:16 |
| mattymo | but clearly there may be hot packages that race right through testing and get to live updates in <24hrs | 16:16 |
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| holser | I’ve started a draft of spec today | 16:16 |
| tzn | No | 16:16 |
| tzn | Minimum time is 7 days | 16:16 |
| angdraug | what about embargoed security updates? | 16:16 |
| mattymo | think of heartbleed 2.0 | 16:16 |
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| holser | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates | 16:16 |
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| holser | move the package into -updates after it has passed a minimum aging period of 7 days. | 16:17 |
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| mihgen | so for most of the packages we gonna have about a week, not 24h | 16:17 |
| xarses | angdraug: we should hopefully be able to get on the security group for embargoed updates | 16:17 |
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| mihgen | moving on? | 16:18 |
| mihgen | #topic image based provisioning (agordeev) | 16:18 |
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| agordeev | hi | 16:18 |
| agordeev | my update is a quite short for today. We're still being almost concentrated on bug fixing. | 16:18 |
| agordeev | We were working hard and being busy till the late evening every day of that week. | 16:18 |
| agordeev | 2 high bugs fresh fixes is not reviewed and merged yet. Kindly asking python-team to help with reviewing them | 16:19 |
| agordeev | https://review.openstack.org/152568 | 16:19 |
| agordeev | https://review.openstack.org/152609 | 16:19 |
| agordeev | https://review.openstack.org/152610 | 16:19 |
| agordeev | https://review.openstack.org/152560 | 16:19 |
| agordeev | Meanwhile, IBP Specs are still untouched. Hope to address all coments and update them ASAP | 16:19 |
| agordeev | Implementing isn't started too. Hope to start on next week. | 16:19 |
| mihgen | agordeev: thx. I hope you nailed down all critical issues? | 16:19 |
| mihgen | agordeev: including those found on scale lab | 16:19 |
| agordeev | mihgen: yes, indeed. | 16:19 |
| tzn | cool | 16:20 |
| mihgen | agordeev: thx. about implementation - do you plan it in python? | 16:20 |
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| agordeev | mihgen: wait. i'm not informed about issues on scale lab | 16:20 |
| mihgen | hmm tzn: do you know if scale lab runs on ibp? | 16:21 |
| agordeev | mihgen: IBP specs - are all about improving fuel-agent, which's written in python | 16:21 |
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| tzn | No, they still test 6.1 | 16:21 |
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| tzn | sorry, 6.0 | 16:21 |
| mihgen | agordeev: I'm talking about building an image on master node | 16:21 |
| agordeev | mihgen: ah, that one. Nope. It will be bash script. | 16:21 |
| mihgen | tzn: that's bad. IlyaE - when do you guys plan to start on 6.1? | 16:21 |
| mihgen | IlyaE: scale testing on 6.1 I mean | 16:21 |
| mihgen | agordeev: I have some worries about bash here. Let's catch up on this topic later | 16:22 |
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| agordeev | mihgen: on previous meeting, afair V Kozhukalov said, that 100 nodes scale test was passed without flaws | 16:23 |
| barthalion | it doesn't sound like a good task for bash | 16:23 |
| mihgen | yeah I like bash but it's quite terrible for all error handling procedures ) | 16:23 |
| agordeev | barthalion: ok, let's disscuss that on #fuel-dev later | 16:23 |
| mihgen | all right, let's move on | 16:24 |
| barthalion | k | 16:24 |
| xarses | agordeev: you noted specs are un-touched, can you link? | 16:24 |
| mihgen | if no other questions | 16:24 |
| mihgen | #topic granular deployment status (dshulyak) | 16:24 |
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| agordeev | xarses: sure. https://review.openstack.org/149314 https://review.openstack.org/149568 https://review.openstack.org/148962 | 16:24 |
| dshulyak | hi guys one more time | 16:24 |
| dshulyak | we are almost finished with items that was in scope of granular deployment for 6.1 | 16:25 |
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| dshulyak | almost all pre/post tasks that was in astute - already defined by configuration and on review | 16:25 |
| dshulyak | after this is merged - our deployment will be completely data-driven | 16:25 |
| dshulyak | also prmtl is working on visualization of deployment graph, and in my opinion it is very helpfull | 16:26 |
| dshulyak | if will be embedded right into fuel client | 16:26 |
| dshulyak | s/if/it | 16:26 |
| mihgen | dshulyak: sounds cool | 16:26 |
| mihgen | almost finished - what exactly is left and ETA? | 16:27 |
| dshulyak | and i am going to push letter with detailed explanation of granular api | 16:27 |
| mihgen | dshulyak: and one more question about UX of fuel client to run particular tasks, where I can look for examples of use? | 16:27 |
| dshulyak | mihgen: i can show the patch, or wait for my letter | 16:28 |
| dshulyak | it is actually merged | 16:28 |
| dshulyak | i just need to inform everyone :) | 16:28 |
| mihgen | dshulyak: I can wait for email, if you plan to send it to openstack-dev :) | 16:28 |
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| mihgen | so I'd like to know how I can run certain task, remove one from whole role run | 16:29 |
| dshulyak | left: review/merge pre/post tasks | 16:29 |
| mihgen | and other possible manipulations | 16:29 |
| dshulyak | visualization | 16:29 |
| mihgen | dshulyak: ok, thanks. | 16:29 |
| dshulyak | and couple of fixes and improvements | 16:29 |
| xarses | Guys, we need documentation about how to develop / troubleshoot the granular tasks | 16:29 |
| xarses | probably including a KT demo so we can discuss | 16:29 |
| mihgen | dshulyak: and currently we still use MCollective ssh - to run remote task, right? | 16:29 |
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| dshulyak | mihgen: not ssh, communication is done with rabbitmq queus | 16:30 |
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| mihgen | dshulyak: wait, who dispatches what has to be done on slave node? | 16:30 |
| mihgen | sorry I meant remote shell call | 16:31 |
| mihgen | not ssh | 16:31 |
| mihgen | remote shell call by MCollective agent | 16:31 |
| dshulyak | than everything like you said) | 16:31 |
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| dshulyak | i hope to start promotion of mistral after we are done with 6.1 scope | 16:31 |
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| xarses | dshulyak: mike ^ | 16:32 |
| mihgen | ok, understood. thanks. | 16:32 |
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| mihgen | +1 on xarses's Guys, we need documentation about how to develop / troubleshoot the granular tasks | 16:32 |
| mihgen | any more questions on granular tasks? | 16:33 |
| xarses | soon, otherwise we cant help very well to troubleshoot issues | 16:33 |
| xarses | We have code being merged before the spec | 16:33 |
| xarses | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113491/ | 16:33 |
| xarses | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147591/ | 16:33 |
| xarses | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147249/ | 16:33 |
| xarses | furthermore we have confusion about the purpose of the spec, is it approval, documentation, a living document to iterate constantly. | 16:33 |
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| dshulyak | xarses: first one is about orchestration of granular api | 16:34 |
| evgeniyl___ | we have a mailing thread in openstack-dev about that | 16:34 |
| mihgen | xarses: let's discuss actually this thing once we are here and have time - added to agenda | 16:34 |
| mihgen | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:34 |
| mihgen | let's move on and discuss procedure as separate topic | 16:35 |
| mihgen | if there are no more concrete things on granular | 16:35 |
| mihgen | moving.. | 16:35 |
| dshulyak | i am done | 16:35 |
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| mihgen | #topic upload ubuntu ISO? (mihgen/tzn/holser) | 16:35 |
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| mihgen | I'd like to clarify if we drop this initiative, tzn, holser? | 16:35 |
| tzn | So according to proposal, we should drop it | 16:35 |
| tzn | It doesn.t make any sense now | 16:36 |
| mihgen | tzn: ok. | 16:36 |
| tzn | igor could help with rewriting current iso creation scipts (make) | 16:36 |
| tzn | to use upstream | 16:36 |
| tzn | Also, as a note, It would be good if any feature lead take a look at new approach and check if it impacts feature | 16:36 |
| mihgen | tzn: we will need resources to handle some things related to new approach | 16:36 |
| tzn | yes | 16:37 |
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| xarses | ?? please explain the context of the 'upload ubuntu iso' here and what's deprecating it? | 16:37 |
| mihgen | for instance, if you run env, and then add node - and your proxy with packages is not available | 16:37 |
| tzn | we have notes on many challanges and will publish them | 16:37 |
| tzn | xarxes: we go for online installation | 16:38 |
| mihgen | also, whether slave nodes should have direct connection to pkgs proxy or via fuel master | 16:38 |
| tzn | xarses: ^ | 16:38 |
| xarses | so we are dropping copying the ISO into the fuel node for online install? | 16:38 |
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| tzn | yes | 16:38 |
| xarses | guys, we know that the proxy sucks from before 3.1 | 16:38 |
| tzn | Yes, we know | 16:38 |
| xarses | its not reliable for everyone. What happens when someone wants to use fuel isolated? | 16:38 |
| mihgen | xarses: let's get more info on this one. | 16:38 |
| tzn | We haven’t decided yet on the full approach | 16:39 |
| mihgen | xarses: we can ask users to do mirror first locally | 16:39 |
| mihgen | and then fuel would use it | 16:39 |
| xarses | mihgen: we cant ask them to, we can give them a button to do that | 16:39 |
| barthalion | how much space does a mirror take? | 16:39 |
| tzn | this is enterprise appraoch | 16:40 |
| mihgen | xarses: yes. | 16:40 |
| tzn | aroung 7 gigs per ubuntu | 16:40 |
| tzn | full mirror | 16:40 |
| mihgen | barthalion: but we don't do mirroring to master node, right? | 16:40 |
| tzn | no | 16:40 |
| mihgen | so it's on user's shoulders | 16:40 |
| angdraug | 7gigs is just main, not universe, right? | 16:40 |
| barthalion | yes, was just wondering | 16:40 |
| xarses | the user experience would be terrible if we don't validate that we have all the packages we need first | 16:40 |
| barthalion | 7GB is not much | 16:40 |
| barthalion | angdraug: yes | 16:40 |
| mihgen | +1 to xarses | 16:40 |
| tzn | sorry, wron paste | 16:41 |
| tzn | full mirror is 642GB | 16:41 |
| tzn | but we don;t want full, we need only one release | 16:41 |
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| xarses | barthalion: 7GB it is to our test environment | 16:41 |
| angdraug | creating mirror on master doesn't have to be mandatory | 16:41 |
| angdraug | providing a link to pre-cooked local mirror (that most large ubuntu users already have) has to be an option | 16:42 |
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| tzn | +1 angdraug | 16:42 |
| barthalion | not mandatory, but sane default I guess? | 16:43 |
| tzn | user will have a choice to select mirror | 16:43 |
| angdraug | barthalion: can't have a default here | 16:43 |
| tzn | we wil not have default | 16:43 |
| angdraug | user has to perform an action one way or the other | 16:43 |
| barthalion | ah | 16:43 |
| angdraug | either setup a mirror or provide a link to one they've already got | 16:43 |
| tzn | to run Fuel it;s much less than even trusty mirror | 16:43 |
| tzn | we don;t want installation to take ages | 16:43 |
| barthalion | I see | 16:43 |
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| mihgen | ok. let's move on | 16:44 |
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| mihgen | #topic merge code before spec is merged? (mihgen) | 16:44 |
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| mihgen | guys pls find corresponding discussion in openstack-dev and link here for ref | 16:45 |
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| xarses | +1 to point to local mirror | 16:45 |
| evgeniyl___ | #link http://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg45085.html | 16:45 |
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| mihgen | my opinion here is the following. For this exact particular case, if don't like patch merged for real reason, we can always revert and fix what is needed | 16:45 |
| mihgen | I don't want here to be too religios and restrictive | 16:46 |
| mihgen | then, in general - | 16:46 |
| angdraug | wrong link, thread starts here: | 16:46 |
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| angdraug | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-January/054752.html | 16:46 |
| mihgen | I think core reviewers / mandatory design reviewers should see that spec is around 90% ready, and only minor things are needed to finish, then we just agree and merge | 16:47 |
| dshulyak | but where people will comment after spec if merged? | 16:47 |
| mihgen | and all remaining low priority questions / comments are collected separately, and then addressed as new patchset | 16:47 |
| angdraug | 90% is a bad criteria | 16:47 |
| evgeniyl___ | mihgen: if spec is merged, you cannot track the completeness of spec | 16:47 |
| mihgen | dshulyak: true as well… | 16:48 |
| izinovik | and if spec was merged, but developer found major problem while implementing merged and approved spec? | 16:48 |
| izinovik | how this situation is resolved? | 16:48 |
| xarses | evgeniyl___: you aren't supposed to track spec progress on the review card | 16:48 |
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| xarses | thats what launchpad is for | 16:48 |
| angdraug | izinovik: as mihgen just said, with a new patchset | 16:48 |
| evgeniyl___ | xarses: I'm supposed to know if my comments were fixed in the next patches, without keeping all of this in my head | 16:48 |
| mihgen | angdraug: good question from dshulyak, how he can comment if it was merged? | 16:48 |
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| xarses | review is not the place for a living document | 16:49 |
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| dshulyak | xarses: than we need google doc? | 16:49 |
| xarses | if we need a living document for our spec, it needs to not be in review | 16:49 |
| evgeniyl___ | xarses: why not? | 16:49 |
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| izinovik | or maybe it should be merged after all work is done (code, tests) ? | 16:49 |
| xarses | review is for approvals, review workflow | 16:49 |
| mihgen | evgeniyl___: not addressed questions can be incorporated in patch and addressed later as separate patch | 16:49 |
| angdraug | instead of 90%, I think a better criteria would be that there is consensus among mandatory reviewers about the direction of the implementation, and remaining concerns are limited to informative parts | 16:49 |
| xarses | izinovik: that points to iterating on the spec, with multiple patch sets | 16:50 |
| xarses | one should be merged (approved) | 16:50 |
| evgeniyl___ | mihgen: in this case you have to remember about all of the comments which you left | 16:50 |
| mihgen | angdraug: that's what my 90% mean actually, main direction | 16:50 |
| evgeniyl___ | mihgen: and ping leads to fix them | 16:50 |
| xarses | and then iterations of what was final in the following review sets | 16:50 |
| mihgen | evgeniyl___: no need to remember, they will be in your spec | 16:50 |
| angdraug | can't be 90%, has to be 100% consensus | 16:50 |
| mihgen | you would put them there before merging | 16:50 |
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| dshulyak | angdraug: +1 i was typing almost same thing :) | 16:51 |
| mihgen | consensus 100%, but not all minor things addressed | 16:51 |
| angdraug | actually you can add comments to review after it's merged | 16:51 |
| evgeniyl___ | angdraug: +1 it should be 100% ready | 16:51 |
| xarses | angdraug: +1 | 16:51 |
| evgeniyl___ | angdraug: nobody looks at merged patches | 16:51 |
| angdraug | if your comments are substantial enough, just start a new patchset | 16:51 |
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| mihgen | guys are +1 angdraug for absolute and full spec? | 16:51 |
| mihgen | then it's not gonna happen | 16:51 |
| angdraug | evgeniyl___: I do all the time | 16:52 |
| xarses | mihgen: the details need to be 100% consensus | 16:52 |
| angdraug | besides, as I said, if it's substantial start a new patchset | 16:52 |
| dshulyak | i am saying that it is responsibility of reviewers to ask questions on spec before merging code | 16:52 |
| evgeniyl___ | mihgen: yes we are, typos are ok, but detailed design should be ready | 16:52 |
| xarses | the spec might not be | 16:52 |
| xarses | we are also reviewing/ working on specs too late | 16:52 |
| angdraug | what's the point of appointing mandatory reviewers if in the end some of them still have non-cosmetic concerns? | 16:52 |
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| xarses | we should right now (and more so in code freeze) be spending ~1-2hr a week for specs for 7.0 so that they are ready to work on | 16:53 |
| angdraug | dshulyak: it's responsibility of reviewers to -1 the code change until spec is merged | 16:53 |
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| angdraug | xarses: +1 | 16:54 |
| dshulyak | angdraug: not blindly -1 | 16:54 |
| angdraug | not blindly, but inevitably ) | 16:54 |
| mihgen | so guys what are agree on? that spec should be fully ready, absolutely clean and perfect, then it gets merged? | 16:54 |
| angdraug | mihgen: no | 16:55 |
| dshulyak | mandatory reviewers should understand where it goes and start or prevent merge of code | 16:55 |
| angdraug | you're pulling a strawman argument | 16:55 |
| dshulyak | otherwise we will end up with +2k changes | 16:55 |
| dshulyak | which nobody will ever review properly | 16:55 |
| evgeniyl___ | dshulyak: +1 | 16:55 |
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| mihgen | angdraug: so explain the approach then | 16:56 |
| mihgen | I don't get what we've agreed upon | 16:56 |
| angdraug | mandatory reviewers should all agree with the design, it's ok to have cosmetic comments and explanations that are not required for general understanding of the design to be left for a follow-up patchset | 16:56 |
| mihgen | angdraug: ok, and then merge? | 16:56 |
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| angdraug | yes | 16:56 |
| xarses | mihgen: the spec details, the meat of it should be 100% conensus from the mandatory reviewers, and therefore merged prior to the code | 16:56 |
| mihgen | and address minor things as separate patch? | 16:56 |
| angdraug | yes | 16:56 |
| xarses | yes | 16:56 |
| evgeniyl___ | dshulyak: had a lot of small patches, I'm sure that he wouldn't be able to deliver the feature if we were waiting for spec to be merged | 16:56 |
| evgeniyl___ | xarses: -1 | 16:56 |
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| mihgen | we are going circles I think | 16:57 |
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| dshulyak | angdraug: what the goal of merging spec? | 16:57 |
| evgeniyl___ | mihgen: agree | 16:57 |
| mihgen | let's move to openstack-dev then guys | 16:57 |
| xarses | 3 min guys | 16:57 |
| mihgen | let's think about it thotoughly | 16:57 |
| evgeniyl___ | probably we should start a new thread there | 16:57 |
| xarses | evgeniyl___: +1 | 16:57 |
| mihgen | evgeniyl___: +1 | 16:57 |
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| mihgen | cool let's do it. | 16:58 |
| mihgen | finishing meeting | 16:58 |
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| mihgen | if no more questions - closing | 16:58 |
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| mihgen | thanks guys | 16:58 |
| agordeev | thanks! | 16:58 |
| mihgen | see you next week! | 16:58 |
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| dshulyak | buy | 16:58 |
| evgeniyl___ | thanks | 16:58 |
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| mihgen | #endmeeting #fuel | 16:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 5 16:58:53 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/_fuel/2015/_fuel.2015-02-05-16.04.html | 16:58 |
| xarses | dshulyak: bye | 16:58 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/_fuel/2015/_fuel.2015-02-05-16.04.txt | 16:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/_fuel/2015/_fuel.2015-02-05-16.04.log.html | 16:58 |
| dshulyak | )) | 16:58 |
| mkwiek | bye | 16:59 |
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| dshulyak | wrong word ) | 16:59 |
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| tmcpeak | what's up peoples? | 17:00 |
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| elmiko | not mucho | 17:00 |
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| tmcpeak | O/ | 17:01 |
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| dg_ | hello world | 17:01 |
| sarnold007 | hi everyone | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | good morning/evening dg_ | 17:02 |
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| tmcpeak | it's an HP party today, huh? | 17:02 |
| bknudson | hi | 17:02 |
| bknudson | hp throws the best parties. | 17:02 |
| singlethink | howdy | 17:02 |
| elmiko | hey! RH in the house =) | 17:02 |
| tkelsey | :D | 17:02 |
| bpb_ | hey | 17:02 |
| dg_ | tmcpeak everyday is a party at hp | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | ahh sweet | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | ok | 17:02 |
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| tmcpeak | #startmeeting | 17:02 |
| openstack | tmcpeak: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | #startmeeting OSSG-Weekly | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 5 17:02:59 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmcpeak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ossg_weekly' | 17:03 |
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| tmcpeak | roll call? | 17:03 |
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| elmiko | yo/ | 17:03 |
| tkelsey | o/ | 17:03 |
| singlethink | hi! | 17:03 |
| sicarie | o/ | 17:03 |
| ljfisher | o/ | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | o/ | 17:03 |
| bknudson | hi | 17:03 |
| bpb_ | o/ | 17:03 |
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| tmcpeak | cool | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | agenda? | 17:03 |
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| tmcpeak | meetup | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | Bandit | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | anchor | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | book | 17:03 |
| singlethink | Collaborative security evaluations | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | ^ that | 17:03 |
| singlethink | (nkinder once mentioned the idea of penetration testing OpenStack projects "in the open" rather than behind closed doors) | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | any others? | 17:04 |
| bknudson | there's a discussion on the mailing list about rootwrap | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: oh yeah, saw that | 17:04 |
| bknudson | there was a complaint at the cross-project meeting that they asked a "security" group to audit it... | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | cool, looks like a full schedule | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | let's get to it | 17:04 |
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| bknudson | but then they looked at it and they didn't need any help seeing what a disaster it is. | 17:04 |
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| tmcpeak | #topic meetup | 17:04 |
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| tmcpeak | everybody on/aware of the etherpad? | 17:05 |
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| tmcpeak | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ossg-kilo-meetup | 17:05 |
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| singlethink | yep | 17:05 |
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| tmcpeak | my bot-fu skills need work | 17:05 |
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| tmcpeak | ok | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | we've got a good group, lots of stuff to talk about | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | if you haven't expressed interest in one of the topics, or proposed another - please do so | 17:06 |
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| tmcpeak | HP is working on some good eats | 17:06 |
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| ljfisher | I see the beer is already there | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | we should probably try to synch up on a social day too | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | ljfisher: fosho. Prerequisite | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | let's do this | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | I'll put the four days, everybody please mark which days *after* the meetup you works best for you for a gathering | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | cool | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | also, any natives that want to propose something | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | I lived in SF for a while so I have some ideas, but open to others also | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | anything else? | 17:09 |
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| bdpayne | go team? | 17:09 |
| bdpayne | :-) | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | bdpayne: perfect | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Bandit | 17:10 |
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| tmcpeak | we still don't have a name :'( | 17:10 |
| tkelsey | :( | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | well we do, but it's in collision | 17:10 |
| ljfisher | any response from the current owners? | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | I've applied to the PyPI folks to evict the other Bandit | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | ljfisher: no, and no response from PyPI lords either | 17:10 |
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| tmcpeak | that's here: https://sourceforge.net/p/pypi/support-requests/466/ | 17:11 |
| bknudson | how long is it expected to take for pypi to get back to us? | 17:11 |
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| tmcpeak | bknudson: unclear. There are a ton of open tickets stretching far back | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | I'm not holding my breath | 17:11 |
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| bknudson | seems easier to pick a different name. | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | I'd say we can give it another week, I'll probably write the owner one more time (bc why not) and then we can just move ahead with a new name | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: yeah, easier for sure. Hesitancy is giving up whatever brand name we've built | 17:12 |
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| tmcpeak | anything else for Bandit? | 17:13 |
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| sigmavirus24 | tmcpeak: so there's a process | 17:13 |
| sigmavirus24 | And the main thing to do is wait because Richard will contact the owners too | 17:13 |
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| sigmavirus24 | I think it may take up to a month | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | sigmavirus24: yikes | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | if it's a month I'm not sure it's worth it to wait | 17:14 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Fair enough | 17:14 |
| sigmavirus24 | The guidelines are also published but I can't remember where at the moment | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | sigmavirus24: if Richard comments on the ticket though, we can revisit | 17:14 |
| sigmavirus24 | (There's also one person who handles all of those) | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | ahh ok cool | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | at least this isn't unprecedented :) | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Anchor | 17:16 |
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| tmcpeak | tkelsey dg_ | 17:16 |
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| tkelsey | yup | 17:16 |
| tkelsey | tests progressing, some outside interest :) | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | cool, what's the outside interest? | 17:16 |
| tkelsey | we got our first patch thats not from a core (as far as i know) | 17:16 |
| tkelsey | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/153050/ | 17:17 |
| bdpayne | Re Bandit name: I contacted someone who may be able to help move this along. Stay tuned. | 17:17 |
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| tmcpeak | bdpayne: awesome, thank you! | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | tkelsey: good stuff | 17:17 |
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| tkelsey | so yeah, its moving in the right direction | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | tkelsey dg_ you guys want to do a little preso at the meetup to get people up to speed? | 17:18 |
| tkelsey | yeah sure :) | 17:18 |
| tkelsey | good idea | 17:18 |
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| tmcpeak | awesome | 17:18 |
| tkelsey | i'll put in the etherpad if its not already | 17:18 |
| tkelsey | I actually hope to drum up some more interest at the mid cycle | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | cool, yeah I keep meaning to be more informed about Anchor | 17:19 |
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| tkelsey | I think that everything to say on it for now :) | 17:19 |
| tkelsey | thanks tmcpeak | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | cool | 17:19 |
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| tmcpeak | #topic Book | 17:19 |
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| bdpayne | book? | 17:19 |
| bdpayne | that's me? | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | bdpayne elmiko sicarie : want to provide updates about what you guys have been doing? | 17:20 |
| elmiko | sure | 17:20 |
| bdpayne | yeah | 17:20 |
| bdpayne | so we've been working on traiging the open bugs against the book | 17:20 |
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| elmiko | i'm also getting dangerously close to having a review up for the data processing chapter | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | cool, yeah seems like it's been picking up speed again | 17:20 |
| bdpayne | which has had the side effect of getting people to start fixing bugs again | 17:20 |
| bdpayne | which is great | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | I'm seeing a lot of activity in the channel | 17:21 |
| bdpayne | goal is to work through the existing tickets, and then to start working on identifying where we need to improve going forward | 17:21 |
| elmiko | i do have a general question about diagrams in the book | 17:21 |
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| bdpayne | ideally, putting some process in place around book updates for OS releases | 17:21 |
| elmiko | the object store section has a nice diagram, were those graphics provided by the swift team or is there a group of gfx we can use to create more? | 17:21 |
| bdpayne | elmiko go for it | 17:21 |
| bdpayne | those were done by the doc team | 17:22 |
| tkelsey | ok, etherpad updated re Anchor | 17:22 |
| bdpayne | we drew pictures on a whiteboard | 17:22 |
| bdpayne | took a picture | 17:22 |
| elmiko | ok, i'll hunt around those parts to ask about the sources | 17:22 |
| bdpayne | and someone made them pretty for us | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | tkelsey: great | 17:22 |
| elmiko | ahh cool | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | you guys have a link to the book backlog? | 17:22 |
| bdpayne | elmiko I can help you track down the right person, if needed | 17:22 |
| bdpayne | yeah, one sec | 17:22 |
| elmiko | i've been working on this, https://mimccune.fedorapeople.org/data_processing.png , as a starting point for sahara deployment | 17:22 |
| notmyname | elmiko: what swift diagram? I can probably answer that question | 17:23 |
| bdpayne | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bugs?field.tag=sec-guide | 17:23 |
| elmiko | i'm curious if that will be sufficient to demonstrate a basic deployment | 17:23 |
| elmiko | notmyname: the one right at the beginning, let me find the page | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | looks like a pretty well groomed backlog | 17:23 |
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| elmiko | notmyname: figure 9.1 at the beginning of the chapter | 17:23 |
| bdpayne | that's b/c we rock | 17:23 |
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| tmcpeak | bdpayne: +1 | 17:23 |
| elmiko | =) | 17:24 |
| bdpayne | suggestion: let's discuss figures on the security channel after this meeting | 17:24 |
| bdpayne | may be too "in the weeds" for the general meeting | 17:24 |
| notmyname | elmiko: I just saw the swift reference in here. I'm not sure what book you're referring to. do you have a link? | 17:24 |
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| elmiko | notmyname: sure, i'll ping you in a /msg | 17:24 |
| elmiko | bdpayne: definitely | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | awesome | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | great work | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | if anybody wants to pick up some work, see bdpayne's backlog link | 17:24 |
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| bdpayne | indeed | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Collaborative Security Evaluations | 17:25 |
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| tmcpeak | what's this? | 17:25 |
| singlethink | Ok... so, nkinder once mentioned to me the idea of | 17:25 |
| singlethink | instead of different companies evaluating OS projects behind closed doors, collaborating on it | 17:25 |
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| tmcpeak | like coordinating? | 17:26 |
| singlethink | I've talked to some people withing Cisco about it, and it'd be a new area for us, but there's some interest and possibly some HC | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | you mean evaluating like code reviews? | 17:26 |
| singlethink | exactly... as in, instead of everyone repeating the same stuff because nobody knows what other people have covered, have a collaborative process and document the results | 17:26 |
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| singlethink | I mean like "vulnerability discovery" | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | singlethink: yeah, makes sense | 17:27 |
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| tmcpeak | problem is how do you ensure that the hax0rs don't use that work too :) | 17:27 |
| bknudson | it would require some work on my part to get the company to agree to un-confidential the info. | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, hyakuhei would know more than me how HP feels about it, but I assume we'd be in favor | 17:27 |
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| tmcpeak | anything that makes upstream better is good for all of us | 17:28 |
| bknudson | also, some of what we do is not useful to the community since it depends on our product. | 17:28 |
| singlethink | Understood... there are hurdles here too but there is some executive interest. | 17:28 |
| bknudson | we open bugs in the community for things that we need help with from community. | 17:28 |
| bdpayne | so this is kind of like a more applied version of the existing threat modeling work? | 17:29 |
| singlethink | re h4X0rs... it may need to be more tightly controlled, like the VMT. | 17:29 |
| singlethink | bdpayne: Yes. | 17:29 |
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| tmcpeak | how technical? | 17:30 |
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| singlethink | bknudson: That's Cisco's current working model as well. But, I had heard that there might be *some* interest in pooling resources. | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | more like specific weaknesses or architectural deficiencies? | 17:30 |
| singlethink | specific weaknesses... | 17:30 |
| singlethink | at any level, but the kind of stuff that would result in a CVE. | 17:30 |
| dg_ | hyakuhei and I have discussed this for HP in the past, we're in favour in principal. This is particuarly something we've talked about with threat analysis, but it makes sense to do so in general | 17:30 |
| bdpayne | yeah, I'm +1 on the idea | 17:31 |
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| bdpayne | I think it could be executed pretty easily | 17:31 |
| bdpayne | would just need to setup a controlled way of handling it | 17:31 |
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| shohel02 | singlethink: yah it makes sense if we all can collaborate | 17:31 |
| bknudson | so one thing that I think would help us if the community was running bandit... if the scans are good enough then we would only need to scan any new code. | 17:31 |
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| singlethink | bknudson: agreed on bandit | 17:31 |
| bdpayne | or rather, the discussions could focus on what bandit can't do | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, seems worthy pushing forward | 17:32 |
| singlethink | but I'm also thinking of issues that require more than syntactic analysis. Like, authorization bypasses, etc. | 17:32 |
| bdpayne | human will always find more than bandit | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | since all of us would require executive sign-off from the overlords we'll probably need some sort of formal statement | 17:32 |
| ukbelch | Agreed. A tool is only useful in the hands of a skilled artisan | 17:32 |
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| singlethink | So, is this something that we could socialize with our respective management chains and come back to the table with some ideas of what it would take to make them okay with it? | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | singlethink: yeah, that seems like a good way to kick it off | 17:33 |
| * bdpayne has approval already (from self) | 17:33 | |
| * bknudson needs bdpayne-like powers. | 17:33 | |
| tmcpeak | Nebula's unencumbered by bureaucracy :D | 17:34 |
| bdpayne | :-) | 17:34 |
| singlethink | Apparently bdpayne is living the dream. | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | dg_ you want to work with Rob to kick that around for HP? | 17:34 |
| dg_ | probably best if you ping Rob, I'm out for most of next week | 17:35 |
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| tmcpeak | ok will do | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | and bknudson you in? | 17:35 |
| singlethink | (I should say that, right off the bat, we should make responsible disclosure a non-negotiable and mention that when first socializing the idea.) | 17:35 |
| dg_ | tbh, between rob and chair6, I'd say we have approval to pursue this | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | dg_: good point | 17:36 |
| bdpayne | singlethink, yes, I agree on the responsible disclosure piece | 17:36 |
| bdpayne | we should also have a brief writeup with the charter and rules of engagement | 17:36 |
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| bknudson | tmcpeak: doesn't have bdpayne-like powers, and can't guess what it'll take. | 17:36 |
| dg_ | singlethink are you coming to the meetup? this seems like soemthign we should be able to pin down pretty quickly | 17:36 |
| bknudson | ... if you come up with something scary enough to our execs that we'll feel left out then that would help. | 17:37 |
| singlethink | I wish, I have important internal meetings all through that week | 17:37 |
| singlethink | I might be able to make Hangouts though | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, meetup seems like a great place to tackle this | 17:37 |
| bknudson | but I'm still not sure what we're talking about here. | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | I think we're talking about coordinating upstream pentesting basically | 17:37 |
| bknudson | For example, say we do a dynamic scan of Horizon using our scan product -- do you want to see it? | 17:38 |
| singlethink | Some people refer to it as "vulnerability analysis", "penetration testing", etc. But, take our idea of a threat model, and try to realize each threat we can imagine. | 17:38 |
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| tmcpeak | bknudson: if it finds vulnerabilities, then definitely :) | 17:38 |
| singlethink | bknudson: That would be good, but I'm more interested in the logic errors or issues multiple levels deep that the scan might be missing. | 17:39 |
| bknudson | if it finds vulnerabilities then we open bugs already. | 17:39 |
| ukbelch | Results of course. I think the key thing to share is what is happening to what, so we know what coverage we are getting | 17:39 |
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| ukbelch | and so we aren't just doing the exact same thing that someone has just done | 17:39 |
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| dg_ | bknudson you may run into licensing issues releasing raw scan output | 17:39 |
| singlethink | Take XSS for example, maybe the scan turns up none because the product is using an incomplete, but not terrible sanitization mechanism | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | ukbelch: +1 | 17:39 |
| dg_ | shoel (?) was leading a threat analysis piece for keystone | 17:40 |
| singlethink | I'm talking about looking at the sanitization mechanisms and seeing if there are ways around them. | 17:40 |
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| tmcpeak | shohel02 | 17:40 |
| dg_ | this feels like it sits ata lower level than threat analysis | 17:40 |
| shohel02 | so i think we need to be clear what we want | 17:40 |
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| shohel02 | is it threat modelling or penetration testing using some scan tool | 17:40 |
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| tmcpeak | or penetration testing the good old fashioned way | 17:41 |
| singlethink | I wouldn't rule out the use of tools, but I think it'd be more interesting if it involved a human investigator | 17:41 |
| bdpayne | I'd call this vulnerability assessment via code review | 17:41 |
| ukbelch | things always need mulitple eyes, as no one guy finds 100% of issues even with in-depth manual analysis, we just don't need 50 eyes as that's quite a bit of reduncancy | 17:41 |
| singlethink | (the old fashioned way) | 17:41 |
| bdpayne | also, it would be useful for people to think of if there's a partuclar project / projects that they'd want to start wtih | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | so as bknudson pointed out, when we find bugs, we file them | 17:42 |
| bdpayne | I'd propose barbican and/or anchor to get our feet wet | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | most use would come from coordinating in some way | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | so we don't all put our effort on Keystone and skip everything else | 17:42 |
| ukbelch | but if we have some idea of how many people have done different kinds of analysis on which products, and how recently, we can at least spot places that haven't had as much attention | 17:42 |
| singlethink | bdpayne: I think those would be good candidates | 17:42 |
| shohel02 | bdpayne: that would be good idea. The only thing is it is a time/resource intensive work if we do in the code level | 17:42 |
| bdpayne | right, think about this was a way to find bugs through collaboration that would otherwise be harder to find | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | like a deep dive? | 17:43 |
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| dg_ | bdpayne anchor would be a willing target for this | 17:43 |
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| tmcpeak | we've seen stuff like this before - people get busy and lose interest. If we formalize some clear goals it might help | 17:43 |
| shohel02 | tmcpeak +1 | 17:44 |
| tkelsey | dg_: +1 | 17:44 |
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| singlethink | I think it might also be useful to time bound any given investigation... | 17:44 |
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| singlethink | there will always be more stuff to look at than time to do it in. | 17:44 |
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| tmcpeak | well it definitely seems like there is some good interest | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | I'd say next step would be to come up with a proposal so we know specifically what we're agreeing to :) | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | singlethink: you cool to take the lead on this? | 17:45 |
| singlethink | sounds good... I'll take that | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | perfect | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | I'm anticipating a rathole on this next one… | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Rootwrap | 17:45 |
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| singlethink | that will give people something more concrete to speak with their benevolent overlords about | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | singlethink: +1 | 17:46 |
| tmcpeak | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-February/055971.html | 17:46 |
| shohel02 | singlethink: i can also help you based on our previous year experience | 17:46 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: was it you that brought this to our attention? | 17:46 |
| singlethink | shohel02: Noted, thanks! | 17:46 |
| bknudson | y, just wanted to bring this up since at the cross-project meeting it was mentioned that they had asked a "security" group to audit it or something. | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak | so for anybody that hasn't read the above link, it's interesting | 17:47 |
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| bknudson | and, wanted to bring the mailing list discussion to your attention since I'd expect security group to have some insights here. | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak | seems like a really tough problem to solve if you have no way to enforce discipline | 17:48 |
| bknudson | i.e., what we'd like to see. | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | my opinion was #1 the preferred option | 17:48 |
| bknudson | is it selinux / apparmor, a separate daemon, etc. | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | we really need some good automation around it though | 17:48 |
| bknudson | and maybe someone here has experience with a similar system that's worked for them. | 17:49 |
| tmcpeak | I don't necessarily agree with the author that it isn't automatable | 17:49 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: what was your take? | 17:51 |
| bknudson | I've got to admit I don't have a good solution... haven't been working on it. | 17:51 |
| bknudson | luckily keystone doesn't need rootwrap | 17:51 |
| bdpayne | reading through this, I think that (1) is the only viable option | 17:51 |
| bdpayne | (2) and (3) are just... bad | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | bdpayne: +1 | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | it's really important to get this right | 17:52 |
| bknudson | I doubt that a string-based config file filter is ever going to be adequate. | 17:52 |
| bknudson | just like the existing sudo config isn't | 17:52 |
| bknudson | so that makes me think that a separate daemon that accepts specific commands is a better choice. | 17:52 |
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| bknudson | I think this was mentioned in a reply. | 17:53 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: again though, somebody needs chmod and that it's open season on chmod calls? | 17:53 |
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| tmcpeak | all it takes is a couple required usages of the big few commands and then the system is wide open anyway | 17:53 |
| singlethink | bknudson: That would be my initial conclusion too. | 17:53 |
| bknudson | y, but hopefully it's not chmod <filename>, hopefully the command sent to the daemon is "give authority to me on the file for <instance>" | 17:54 |
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| bdpayne | so here's the thing... the openstack community has been noting this as an open problem for ages | 17:54 |
| bknudson | so you can't chmod whatever you want. | 17:54 |
| bdpayne | no one has stepped up to offer solutions | 17:54 |
| tmcpeak | right | 17:54 |
| tmcpeak | it's a tough problem | 17:54 |
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| bdpayne | I see this going in a direction that we don't like UNLESS perhaps if OSSG can step in with a solution | 17:54 |
| tmcpeak | especially in light of a lack of consistent security review for checkins | 17:54 |
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| bknudson | maybe if there's a separate daemon it's in a project where ossg has +2. | 17:55 |
| bdpayne | perhaps | 17:55 |
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| bdpayne | I think it could be good to put together a team of OSSG people to research the issue and come back with a suggestion | 17:55 |
| bdpayne | and let Thierry know that we are doing that | 17:56 |
| tmcpeak | bdpayne: +1 | 17:56 |
| bdpayne | to potentially delay a bad decision | 17:56 |
| bdpayne | perhaps kick it off at the meetup | 17:56 |
| bdpayne | ? | 17:56 |
| tmcpeak | does that seem like something we want to try to tackle at meetup? | 17:56 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, that ^ | 17:56 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: would you be interested in leading this at the meetup? | 17:57 |
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| bknudson | sure, that would give me something to do. | 17:57 |
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| tmcpeak | I don't want to volunteer you for work, but it seems like a good fit for you | 17:57 |
| tmcpeak | awesome, throw something on etherpad? | 17:57 |
| bknudson | will do. | 17:57 |
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| tmcpeak | bknudson: cool! | 17:57 |
| tmcpeak | allright, time check - we've got 3 mins | 17:57 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Other Business | 17:58 |
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| tmcpeak | anything else? | 17:58 |
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| tmcpeak | I'll take that as no | 17:58 |
| tmcpeak | have a good week everybody :) | 17:58 |
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| tkelsey | thank tmcpeak | 17:59 |
| tmcpeak | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
| elmiko | likewise =) | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 5 17:59:02 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ossg_weekly/2015/ossg_weekly.2015-02-05-17.02.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ossg_weekly/2015/ossg_weekly.2015-02-05-17.02.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ossg_weekly/2015/ossg_weekly.2015-02-05-17.02.log.html | 17:59 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting sahara | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 5 18:00:46 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | sahara folks, hey! | 18:00 |
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| aignatov | o/ | 18:00 |
| elmiko | yo/ | 18:00 |
| crobertsrh | hello/ | 18:00 |
| egafford | Hi! | 18:01 |
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| tellesnobrega | hi | 18:01 |
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| tmckay | hello | 18:01 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | okay, let's start | 18:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 18:01 |
| ylobankov | hi | 18:01 |
| huichun | hi | 18:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic sahara@horizon status (crobertsrh, NikitaKonovalov) | 18:01 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-reviews-in-horizon | 18:01 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I've updated the etherpad a few days ago | 18:02 |
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| crobertsrh | I had a couple bug fixes merge, but mostly the same status | 18:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, looks like we have a bunch of patches merged and that's awesome | 18:02 |
| crobertsrh | Yes, we will take any sort of progress :) | 18:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, do we have something urgent? | 18:02 |
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| crobertsrh | Nothing that I would call "urgent" at the moment that I know of | 18:03 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | okay | 18:03 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, anything else on this topic? | 18:03 |
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| crobertsrh | Just be sure to take a look at: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147677/ | 18:03 |
| crobertsrh | That is the "guided cluster creation" | 18:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ack, it's on my todo list | 18:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 18:04 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | folks, please | 18:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info kilo-2 is mostly here, /me will release rest of the components today | 18:05 |
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| tmckay | spark-swift integration is merged, but there is still a question of the jackson version compat issue. We can talk about it in open discussion. Essentially, wait for spark community to fix it (ongoing) or carry our own spark assembly for a while | 18:05 |
| elmiko | security doc chapter is coming along, i'm hoping to have a review up soon. i also have some ideas about how we can integrate barbican for some of our credentials storage. | 18:06 |
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| tmckay | also, the group working on cdh plugin has identified maybe a shortfall in Java EDP support for hbase, where an extra classpath value needs to be set. I am trying to repro on a CDH cluster so I can verify and spec a change if we need one | 18:06 |
| elmiko | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1415218 | 18:06 |
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| elmiko | for anyone who wants to keep track | 18:06 |
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| sreshetnyak | patch for quota checks, new integration tests | 18:06 |
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| egafford | Working to integrate Sahara with TripleO. There's a puppet review ongoing here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145509. Thanks to those who have already reviewed; any more reviews are useful. A tripleo-image-elements commit is likely soon, and a tripleo-heat-templates commit afterward. | 18:07 |
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| weiting | Working on Sahara integration test for service - key store value | 18:08 |
| tmckay | in https://review.openstack.org/146659 we noticed that launch_command.py (for spark jobs) was not in the MANIFEST.in. Do we need to backport that to Juno? | 18:08 |
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| Nikolay_St | egafford: I'll take a look tomorrow, I suppose | 18:08 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | egafford, yay! | 18:08 |
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| egafford | Nikolay_St: Thanks. SergeyLukjanov: :) | 18:09 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | any other updates? | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | let's move on | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic How to improve Horizon changes | 18:09 |
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| egafford | Interested in answer to tmckay's question re: launch_command.py. | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, we've discussed a bit this topic on the last cross-project meeting | 18:10 |
| tmckay | we can take it up in open discussion | 18:10 |
| egafford | tmckay: Sane and just. | 18:10 |
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| crobertsrh | +1: we should improve horizon changes | 18:10 |
| tmckay | :) | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and agreed that we need to at least be sure that all our changes we need to merged into horizon | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | has own blueprints and bugs in horizon targeted to the milestone | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it should increase review rate a lot | 18:11 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | to do it I think we should make some process of inter-command prioritization | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and ping horizon team to accept high-prio things to the milestones | 18:12 |
| crobertsrh | What do you mean by "process of inter-command prioritization" | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I mean to discuss the urgency of things inside the sahara team | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and then push the list to the horizon team | 18:12 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | and always ensure that milestones assigned | 18:12 |
| crobertsrh | Ok, so maybe take our etherpad of outstanding changes, order them by priority and ping #horizon-people | 18:12 |
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| crobertsrh | Is there a go-to person on the horizon side? Is an in-channel request all we need, or should we send an email? | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and ensure that all of them has own issues and blueprints | 18:14 |
| david-lyle | crobertsrh: ping me | 18:14 |
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| crobertsrh | I know they were talking about this issue, but I missed this week's meeting. | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I think that we could initially ask david-lyle to go through the etherpad | 18:14 |
| crobertsrh | thanks david-lyle :) | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | david-lyle, oh, hey :) | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | david-lyle, thanks | 18:14 |
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| david-lyle | saw horizon, came running | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 18:14 |
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| david-lyle | I just need to be made aware of items you are needing, then I can prioritize them in horizon | 18:15 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, could you please update the etherpad with bugs/blueprints and links to reviews? | 18:15 |
| crobertsrh | Sounds fine, david-lyle. | 18:15 |
| crobertsrh | I can do that | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, cool, thx | 18:16 |
| crobertsrh | links to reviews should contain the bp/bugs links in them already | 18:16 |
| crobertsrh | I can add them to the etherpad though if that somehow speeds things up | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | david-lyle, you're not using specs process in horizon? | 18:16 |
| david-lyle | not yet, will be moving to that in lemming | 18:16 |
| tmckay | lemming, that's the next release? | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | david-lyle, nice, so, it'll be easier for us before Lemming | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, nope | 18:17 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | http://surveymonkey.com/r/openstack-l-naming voting for the next release name | 18:17 |
| tmckay | I hope not | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | closing next week, hurry up to vote | 18:17 |
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| elmiko | there was some talk about lemming being a poor choice on the ml | 18:17 |
| david-lyle | could be Love, so weigh your options carefully | 18:18 |
| tmckay | +1 London | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | -4 to Love, I don't want to say this word while talking with customers ;) | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | okay, let's move on | 18:18 |
| elmiko | lol | 18:18 |
| tmckay | there is a town here called Lizard Lick | 18:18 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Open discussion | 18:19 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | david-lyle, thx for participating | 18:19 |
| elmiko | i'd like to talk about deployments | 18:19 |
| elmiko | as they pertain to advice we will be giving in the security doc | 18:19 |
| tmckay | okay, spark assembly issue for me. and backport manifest tweak necessary for Juno? | 18:19 |
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| elmiko | are there any objections to us recommending that sahara controllers be deployed into cloud instances? | 18:20 |
| tmckay | elmiko, as opposed to running on the openstack controller? | 18:21 |
| tmckay | is that bad for some reason? ^^ | 18:21 |
| tosky | maybe after that the daemon splitting is in place... | 18:21 |
| elmiko | yea sorta, as opposed to being deployed directly on a host connected to the cloud | 18:21 |
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| elmiko | i'm being asked to create a recommended deployment strategy | 18:22 |
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| elmiko | and security-wise it sounds like it's easier to recommend deploying to cloud instances as the security issues will be elevated past the host related issues. | 18:22 |
| elmiko | does that make sense? | 18:22 |
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| elmiko | does anyone have opinions about sahara deployment in production? | 18:23 |
| alazarev | elmiko, what do you mean by 'cloud instances'? | 18:23 |
| elmiko | alazarev: a server spawned by openstack as opposed to a host connected directly to the cloud | 18:23 |
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| elmiko | for example | 18:24 |
| elmiko | https://mimccune.fedorapeople.org/data_processing.png | 18:24 |
| elmiko | i shared that diagram as a basic example of a deployment | 18:24 |
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| elmiko | the pushback i got was if i was implying that sahara needs to be a separate host connected to the cloud, or could it be an instance within the cloud. | 18:25 |
| alazarev | elmiko, do you want to recommend dedicated node for sahara controller? | 18:25 |
| elmiko | i don't think it _needs_ to be a separate host, so i don't have a problem recommending installing to a cloud server(was instance) | 18:25 |
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| tmckay | elmiko, tiny issue that I've seen in a case with Sahara running inside the stack -- the credentials for the admin tenant for the stack are inside of the sahara.conf on the VM. Maybe not a big deal, but the creds are there in addition to only being on the openstack controller node (if you run Sahara as an openstack service) | 18:26 |
| elmiko | alazarev: well, i think that _we_ need to recommend something as a team. | 18:26 |
| elmiko | i don't see any difference in deploying sahara in single or distributed mode into cloud servers. | 18:27 |
| alazarev | elmiko, as I see sahara controller is usually run on all openstack controller nodes, never saw other deployment | 18:27 |
| mattf | alazarev, +1 | 18:27 |
| elmiko | alazarev: so, on the same machines as say a nova controller? | 18:27 |
| alazarev | elmiko, yeap | 18:27 |
| elmiko | ok, but here's the question. _why_ does it need to be deployed on controller nodes? | 18:28 |
| mattf | alazarev, at worst it's a vm on the controller node. | 18:28 |
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| mattf | we have a dep on the neutron l3-agent somewhere, right? | 18:28 |
| elmiko | afaik it just needs access to the control plane | 18:28 |
| alazarev | elmiko, why not? | 18:28 |
| mattf | for netns exec | 18:28 |
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| tmckay | elmiko, doesn't have to be. but if you run it somewhere else, not deployed by openstack, you have to add it to the service catalog. (it may be that I'm not up on my commercial deployments, mostly dev env) | 18:29 |
| alazarev | it needs access to control place and to VMs ssh | 18:29 |
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| elmiko | alazarev: from the brief conversation i had with bdpayne in openstack-security i think he prefers recommending it installed as an instance because it make security auditing easier. (that's my impression, he had to go before we could finish) | 18:29 |
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| elmiko | mattf: couldn't it still access neutron if it was inside a vm? | 18:30 |
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| mattf | elmiko, i don't have details cached in anymore. to handle namespaces you need to be able to netns exec, which means living in the same kernel instance | 18:31 |
| alazarev | elmiko, which part of neutron? it would be hard to use netns for example | 18:31 |
| egafford | tmckay: +1; I've had success running Sahara from a separate node. elmiko: I believe it is certainly TripleO's strategy to allow "optional" services like Sahara to run in or outside of controller nodes whenever possible, so if we are strictly dependent in prod on being a process on the controller node itself, this'll be important to know. | 18:31 |
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| elmiko | ok, so netns access is one solid check in favor of needing to be deployed on a controller instead of a cloud server. does that sound accurate? and can anyone point me towards documentation? | 18:32 |
| alazarev | elmiko, also we need admin access to keystone, it can be restricted to private network | 18:33 |
| tmckay | so the next question becomes, is there a way to allow netns access from a cloud server, and if there is does that create a competing sec issue | 18:33 |
| tmckay | that makes the whole thing not worth doing | 18:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | sorry folks, need to disconnect right now | 18:34 |
| elmiko | i think part of this stems from the impression that sahara is an application that runs on top of the cloud | 18:34 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #chair alazarev | 18:34 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SergeyLukjanov alazarev | 18:34 |
| tmckay | alazarev, +1, that touches on the "admin cred" issue I mentioned earlier | 18:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #chair tmckay | 18:34 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SergeyLukjanov alazarev tmckay | 18:34 |
| mattf | elmiko, i don't think we have a doc that talks about the deployment considerations when using namespaces. we just mention there's a config you need to set. | 18:34 |
| elmiko | alazarev, tmckay, as long as the vm had a route to the identity service it shouldn't matter where it runs | 18:34 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, ciao | 18:35 |
| alazarev | elmiko, yes, but this will require additional efforts to make such route | 18:35 |
| tmckay | elmiko, I think his point is that if you put it on the controller, you *could* restrict keystone to private net | 18:35 |
| elmiko | alazarev: agreed | 18:36 |
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| mattf | heh - https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/56906/saharacant-login-to-nodes/ | 18:36 |
| elmiko | but it could be done | 18:36 |
| elmiko | mattf: nice | 18:36 |
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| alazarev | netns is not a silver bullet since it can't be used for HA mode | 18:37 |
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| elmiko | netns seems like a corner case to me, but it's a configuration that might not work well within an instance | 18:38 |
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| alazarev | this is why I've started indirect access feature | 18:38 |
| elmiko | when would you _need_ to use netns? | 18:38 |
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| elmiko | indirect access seems like a security win to me | 18:38 |
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| alazarev | elmiko, the only thing I don't like in current implementation is "ssh over ssh' which is too slow, port forwarding would be much faster | 18:40 |
| elmiko | yea | 18:40 |
| mattf | indirect access is just awesome | 18:40 |
| mattf | <3 it from the beginning | 18:40 |
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| elmiko | so, is our recommendation that operators install sahara on a controller node as opposed to a cloud instance? | 18:41 |
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| elmiko | bdpayne: are you available? | 18:41 |
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| alazarev | elmiko, I believe so, all installations I saw were in such way | 18:42 |
| tmckay | I think we would have to try the cloud instance as a reference architecture and see how it works | 18:42 |
| elmiko | ok, i can try it out | 18:42 |
| tmckay | but to date, I agree with alazarev. I always thought Sahara was meant to be on the controller nodes | 18:42 |
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| elmiko | right, we've always installed it on controller nodes. but for a security recommendation is it _required_ to be on controller nodes, that's the real question. | 18:43 |
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| egafford | elmiko: If the admin creds weren't on each Sahara node, I'd say it'd be an easy win to suggest Sahara be run in cloud nodes (assuming your config doesn't require netns). Given that the admin creds are on each Sahara node, though, it does seem a lot dodgier of a proposition. | 18:43 |
| elmiko | i think the argument is that running things on cloud instances provides an easier way to manage the controllers. | 18:43 |
| alazarev | elmiko, I don't think it is _required_ | 18:43 |
| tmckay | elmiko, if the cloud instance model is viable and it has demonstrable security benefits, maybe we recommend it. Or maybe we present it as an option with pros and conds | 18:43 |
| elmiko | i think this is a recommendation we will need to have in the sec.doc. | 18:44 |
| elmiko | egafford: i guess i don't see much difference between the creds being on a vm in the cloud or on a controller attached to the cloud. exploiting either machine would be bad. | 18:44 |
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| elmiko | keep in mind, i'm not suggesting creating images with the creds preloaded. | 18:45 |
| bdpayne | elmiko, I'm here now | 18:45 |
| egafford | elmiko: Right, that would be absurd. Don't think anyone's suggesting that. | 18:45 |
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| elmiko | bdpayne: awesome, we are having some difficulty with the concept of running sahara on a controller as opposed to a cloud instance. would you be able to talk about the pros/cons of those deployments from a sec perspective? | 18:46 |
| elmiko | bdpayne: by default we have always run on controllers | 18:46 |
| bdpayne | hey, I was just reading the backlogs | 18:47 |
| bdpayne | why are admin creds needed? | 18:47 |
| bdpayne | I would argue that you don't want the admin creds in an instance | 18:47 |
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| tmckay | I forget just what errors you get without them. I think it's for auth checks | 18:47 |
| bdpayne | so that may be what pushes it back onto the control plane | 18:47 |
| tmckay | alazarev, ^^ do you know? | 18:47 |
| elmiko | at the least we need admin creds for creating trusts | 18:47 |
| bdpayne | but if you don't need them, all the better and I'd certainly argue for putting this in an instance | 18:48 |
| tmckay | that is true | 18:48 |
| bdpayne | could the trusts be setup once at install time and then just used? | 18:48 |
| bdpayne | or is this an ongoing need? | 18:48 |
| elmiko | ongoing, we create them dynamically under some configs | 18:48 |
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| * tmckay should document the errors that arise when admin creds are missing | 18:49 | |
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| bdpayne | interesting | 18:49 |
| bdpayne | ok, so more generally, of course running a service on the control plane has much greater security impact | 18:49 |
| bdpayne | if that service is compromised, then it could potentially be a stepping stone to more sensitive parts of the cloud | 18:50 |
| bdpayne | this is why I tend to prefer things in instances | 18:50 |
| bdpayne | but, it sounds like that may not be viable with the current design | 18:50 |
| bdpayne | it may be useful to lay out some of these considerations in the security guide | 18:50 |
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| alazarev | what do we mean by 'admin' here? sahara admin or openstack admin? | 18:50 |
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| bdpayne | and explain under which situations someone may be able to deploy as an instance | 18:50 |
| bdpayne | in case people want to do that | 18:50 |
| bdpayne | I'm talking about openstack admin | 18:51 |
| elmiko | i think we'll need to do more testing on the instance model | 18:51 |
| alazarev | admin is used to update sahara objects in background, to create trusts, etc. | 18:51 |
| elmiko | there is also a config option that uses net namespaces and we're not sure if those will work in a cloud instance | 18:51 |
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| bdpayne | so yeah, I think laying out the security concerns and showing how to best mitigate them is the right path for the security guide | 18:53 |
| bdpayne | even if the end result is something on the control plane | 18:53 |
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| elmiko | ok, i'll have to do more digging around the sec doc to see if i can leverage the advice there for control plane installations | 18:53 |
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| elmiko | bdpayne: thanks for the advice, it gives me some food for thought | 18:54 |
| bdpayne | np! | 18:55 |
| elmiko | only 5 min left, should we talk about tmckay's questions? | 18:55 |
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| tmckay | alright, opinions on spark assembly class conflicts for swift access. Short answer, people in spark are working on it, but I don't know when it will be in a release. Looks like maybe 1.3 | 18:56 |
| tmckay | so, are we okay with the current fix, to patch the classpath and hope it works? Or do we carry our own spark assembly for DIB for a little while? | 18:56 |
| elmiko | tough question | 18:56 |
| tmckay | my gut is to wait for 1.3, and fix on fail if someone comes up with a use case that shows we need a new assembly | 18:57 |
| elmiko | i'm ok with that | 18:57 |
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| mattf | me too | 18:57 |
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| crobertsrh | +1 for wait | 18:57 |
| alazarev | I'm ok with that too | 18:57 |
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| tmckay | okay. it works, but we know it could break, but we haven't seen that. Works for me. | 18:57 |
| tmckay | thanks. | 18:57 |
| tmckay | Other question | 18:57 |
| huichun | tmckay: Hi tmckay, i have replied your email about the masternotfound error | 18:58 |
| tmckay | we left launch_command.py out of MANIFEST.in | 18:58 |
| tmckay | huichun, thanks | 18:58 |
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| tmckay | launch_command.py lives in edp/resources, so I'm guessing it's not in a distro in Juno | 18:58 |
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| tmckay | do we need to backport that fix? | 18:58 |
| alazarev | 1 min left | 18:59 |
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| elmiko | i think so | 18:59 |
| tmckay | what is the best way to check, with setuptools on a juno branch and bdist? | 18:59 |
| tmckay | or sdist? | 18:59 |
| egafford | tmckay: Yes, we should. | 18:59 |
| tmckay | makes me think that spark edp in Juno can't be working | 18:59 |
| elmiko | just install to a clean virtualenv and look in the site-packages | 18:59 |
| tmckay | but we haven't heard that | 18:59 |
| egafford | On the RH side: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1184522 | 18:59 |
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| alazarev | let's switch to #openstack-sahara | 18:59 |
| alazarev | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 5 19:00:01 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-02-05-18.00.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-02-05-18.00.txt | 19:00 |
| tmckay | k. thanks | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-02-05-18.00.log.html | 19:00 |
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| amitgandhinz | #startmeeting Poppy Weekly Meeting | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 5 19:00:44 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amitgandhinz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'poppy_weekly_meeting' | 19:00 |
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| amitgandhinz | #topic RollCall | 19:00 |
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| tonytan4ever | o/ | 19:00 |
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| mpanetta | o/ | 19:01 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Poppy | 19:01 |
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| obulpathi | o/ | 19:01 |
| megan_w_ | hi all o/ | 19:02 |
| sriram | _/\_ | 19:02 |
| sriram | o/ | 19:02 |
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| catherineR | o/ | 19:02 |
| mpanetta | /\o/\ | 19:02 |
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| amitgandhinz | #topic last Week Review | 19:04 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-01-29-18.59.html | 19:04 |
| amitgandhinz | ok only one action item from last week - and that was to review teh provider getting started guide | 19:04 |
| amitgandhinz | anyone do that? | 19:04 |
| amitgandhinz | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Poppy/Provider_-_Getting_Started#Building_a_Provider_Driver | 19:04 |
| sriram | I saw parts of it, need to go through them in detail. | 19:05 |
| amitgandhinz | cool | 19:05 |
| amitgandhinz | i havent received any feedback, so please send it my way (or make the modifications if needed) | 19:05 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok nothing else from last week | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Updates on K3 | 19:06 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link https://launchpad.net/poppy/+milestone/kilo-3 | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | ok, only looks like one bug is assigned to miqui | 19:07 |
| amitgandhinz | miqui has a meeting conflict so isnt here today | 19:08 |
| amitgandhinz | anybody else working on any bugs currently? | 19:08 |
| amitgandhinz | ok, moving on to Blueprints | 19:08 |
| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: Message Queue Driver (should rename this to Taskflow Driver) | 19:09 |
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| tonytan4ever | TaskFlow driver itself is done, so it's under review. | 19:09 |
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| tonytan4ever | Now I am trying to work on breaking functions into TF tasks to apply retry/revert features to them. | 19:10 |
| sriram | There's also a dependent patch on it, which breaks up the tasks into simpler units. | 19:10 |
| sriram | tonytan4ever beat me to it. :P | 19:10 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok cool | 19:10 |
| tonytan4ever | See:　　　https://review.openstack.org/#/c/151004/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/152987/ | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | ok will review it soon | 19:11 |
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| amitgandhinz | malini: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/conformance-tests | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | any progress on this? | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | and welcome back =) | 19:12 |
| malini | havent started on tht yet :/ | 19:12 |
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| amitgandhinz | do you think you will be able to soon? we need this to enable providers to build their own drivers | 19:13 |
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| amitgandhinz | else i can remove your name from it | 19:13 |
| malini | can you remove my name for now? I will grab it later if I can | 19:14 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok | 19:14 |
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| amitgandhinz | amitgandhinz: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/cookie-rules | 19:14 |
| amitgandhinz | ok i havent done anything around this either | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | im going to remove my name from it for now | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | miqui: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/home-doc | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | miqui sent an update on the normal channel | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | he is working on this and will have a first pass to review shortly | 19:16 |
| amitgandhinz | obulpathi: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/mimic-racksapce-dns | 19:16 |
| obulpathi | I did not make any progress on thsi | 19:16 |
| obulpathi | but, I would like to keep my name | 19:16 |
| amitgandhinz | ok | 19:16 |
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| amitgandhinz | i'll keep it as is | 19:17 |
| obulpathi | thanks :) | 19:17 |
| amitgandhinz | any other stories above being worked on? | 19:17 |
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| sriram | I'm just working on familiarity with the project, and taskflow stuff with tonytan4ever. | 19:18 |
| malini | & fixing all our READMEs :) | 19:18 |
| sriram | pretty soon, can actually start getting some work done ;) | 19:18 |
| sriram | malini: lol | 19:18 |
| amitgandhinz | haha, awesome sriram | 19:18 |
| obulpathi | welcome to Poppy sriram :) | 19:18 |
| sriram | :) | 19:19 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic New Items | 19:19 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok i just added a new item to discuss | 19:19 |
| amitgandhinz | Openstack Vancouver! | 19:19 |
| amitgandhinz | https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2015/call-for-speakers/ | 19:19 |
| amitgandhinz | so a submission has to be made by Feb 9 | 19:19 |
| amitgandhinz | which is Monday!!!! | 19:20 |
| amitgandhinz | eeek | 19:20 |
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| sriram | whoa, thats really close. | 19:20 |
| megan_w_ | eeek indeed! | 19:20 |
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| megan_w_ | do you want to talk about options now? | 19:20 |
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| amitgandhinz | I created this etherpad - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Poppy_Vancouver | 19:21 |
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| amitgandhinz | yeh we should talk about what we want to talk about | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | i need to submit this by Monday, so nows probably a good chance to talk about it | 19:22 |
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| megan_w_ | i think it should be something that would interest people who weren't necessarily CDN people | 19:22 |
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| megan_w_ | is there something different or interesting about the way we're doing poppy? | 19:22 |
| amitgandhinz | not really | 19:23 |
| megan_w_ | (i'm proposing this as an additonal topic, not to replace the one you've suggested) | 19:23 |
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| amitgandhinz | its a driver model (which is fairly common across openstack) | 19:23 |
| malini | you just crushed our ego amitgandhinz! | 19:23 |
| sriram | heh | 19:23 |
| amitgandhinz | except we integrate with partner api's | 19:23 |
| amitgandhinz | others integrate with hardware api's (or vitual software api's) | 19:23 |
| amitgandhinz | we are similar to designate in that regard | 19:23 |
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| sriram | we also need to focus on getting more providers to support and build drivers? | 19:24 |
| megan_w_ | might be cool to talk about working with providers (who are competitors ) on a common framework | 19:24 |
| sriram | megan_w_: +1 | 19:24 |
| malini | +1 | 19:24 |
| obulpathi | +1 | 19:24 |
| tonytan4ever | +1 | 19:24 |
| amitgandhinz | i think the goal of the talk should be on exposing Poppy | 19:24 |
| amitgandhinz | the partnerships | 19:24 |
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| amitgandhinz | do we want to talk about the deployment of Poppy on Rackspace? | 19:24 |
| megan_w_ | maybe a panel of us, come of our vendors, and perhaps the desegnate guys | 19:25 |
| megan_w_ | amitgandhinz: i worry it might come off too marketing-ish | 19:25 |
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| malini | megan_w_: you make a lot of sense | 19:25 |
| megan_w_ | it would be more compelling to the poppy story if we were using multiple providers | 19:25 |
| malini | the whole intent of Openstack is vendor neutral cloud, rt? | 19:25 |
| amitgandhinz | ya | 19:25 |
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| sriram | that means we need more providers, to be viewed as vendor neutral. | 19:26 |
| sriram | idk just thinking out loud. | 19:26 |
| megan_w_ | the session i'm proposing wouldn't be technical, perhaps more conversational | 19:26 |
| amitgandhinz | poppy has drivers for fastly, akamai, maxcdn | 19:26 |
| megan_w_ | drivers, but not participants :) | 19:26 |
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| amitgandhinz | ya | 19:26 |
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| megan_w_ | that should be a :( | 19:26 |
| amitgandhinz | and we dont have that to a level we can talk about yet | 19:27 |
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| megan_w_ | but we have 5 months to work on it! | 19:27 |
| obulpathi | can we add a little bit on how we do anync stuff? | 19:27 |
| amitgandhinz | taskflow? | 19:27 |
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| obulpathi | btw .. this will be completely technical right? | 19:27 |
| malini | tht is an openstack thing -rt. | 19:27 |
| malini | so nothing new there :( | 19:28 |
| amitgandhinz | it can be technical details, or it can be marketing-ish | 19:28 |
| obulpathi | ok | 19:28 |
| amitgandhinz | one part of the audience is design summit attendees (tech stackers) | 19:28 |
| amitgandhinz | the other half is sales, operators, etc | 19:28 |
| obulpathi | ok | 19:28 |
| megan_w_ | let me write up the "multiple vendors on a common platform" proposal. we'll see if it looks good enough to submit | 19:28 |
| obulpathi | so may be an evolution of how we went from long latencies to async API | 19:29 |
| amitgandhinz | lets figure out what the aim of our talk is | 19:29 |
| obulpathi | backend as cassandra with no downtime and schema updates | 19:29 |
| obulpathi | ok | 19:29 |
| megan_w_ | amitgandhinz: my biggest goal would be to get another operator using poppy | 19:29 |
| amitgandhinz | i feel talking about cassandra is opening up a hornets nest lol | 19:29 |
| obulpathi | hahha | 19:29 |
| amitgandhinz | not every operator is willing to deploy cassandra | 19:29 |
| mpanetta | Really? | 19:30 |
| amitgandhinz | its more over head | 19:30 |
| amitgandhinz | they already manage a mysql cluster | 19:30 |
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| amitgandhinz | why deploy mongo or cassandra | 19:30 |
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| mpanetta | Ah | 19:30 |
| amitgandhinz | requires expertise | 19:30 |
| megan_w_ | amitgandhinz: you saw my goal. what's your goal for the talks? | 19:30 |
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| sriram | I think thats where the sqlalchemy blueprint comes in. | 19:30 |
| amitgandhinz | my goal is to bring awareness to Poppy and increase community participation | 19:30 |
| amitgandhinz | sriram: ya | 19:30 |
| amitgandhinz | so i think megan_w_ our goals are aligned | 19:31 |
| megan_w_ | the awarness piece can come from anything then...technical or non technical | 19:31 |
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| amitgandhinz | i think operators need to know poppy exists and what it can do for them | 19:31 |
| amitgandhinz | but that turns into marketing speak | 19:31 |
| megan_w_ | just people knowing what we're doing creates awareness. the participation part is different | 19:31 |
| megan_w_ | but there is place for it in the conference | 19:32 |
| megan_w_ | by the way, might be interesting to talk about logging/reporting in openstack | 19:32 |
| megan_w_ | getting services "billing ready" | 19:32 |
| amitgandhinz | big data / sahara | 19:32 |
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| amitgandhinz | that opens another can of worms around ceilometer when discussing reporting for billing | 19:32 |
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| malini | is there anything we can talk abt without opening a can of worms :/ | 19:33 |
| amitgandhinz | so ideas so far are ... | 19:33 |
| amitgandhinz | 1. marketing speech on poppy | 19:33 |
| amitgandhinz | 2. architecture of poppy and challenges faced | 19:34 |
| amitgandhinz | 3. supporting multiple vendor api's on a common platform | 19:34 |
| obulpathi | lets write the ideas to the etherpad | 19:34 |
| megan_w_ | bam :) | 19:34 |
| obulpathi | you beat me :( | 19:34 |
| amitgandhinz | =P | 19:34 |
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| obulpathi | is HP or any other provider deploying or planning to deploy Poppy? | 19:36 |
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| megan_w_ | obulpathi: not that we know of | 19:37 |
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| obulpathi | megan_w_: oh ok | 19:38 |
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| mpanetta | Did everyone just drop off the face of the earth? | 19:42 |
| tonytan4ever | We are all here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Poppy_Vancouver | 19:43 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Poppy_Vancouver | 19:43 |
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| mpanetta | sriram: The colors in 4 make it look like you are talking to yourself (and you are in the user list twice heh) | 19:46 |
| sriram | oh, really. | 19:46 |
| sriram | didnt realise it. | 19:46 |
| sriram | must have joined it twice :P | 19:46 |
| mpanetta | sriram: Or someone stole your name :P | 19:46 |
| sriram | heh | 19:46 |
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| megan_w_ | amitgandhinz: time warning, 13 minutes left in meeting | 19:47 |
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| amitgandhinz | there is no other agenda items | 19:47 |
| megan_w_ | ah, ok | 19:47 |
| sriram | mpanetta: that should be fixed now, cant change the other name. :/ | 19:47 |
| amitgandhinz | so lets do this for the remainder of time | 19:47 |
| obulpathi | ok | 19:48 |
| mpanetta | sriram: haha now you are real :P | 19:48 |
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| amitgandhinz | how do i differentiate between TheSriram and "the real sriram" | 19:48 |
| amitgandhinz | as there can only be one | 19:48 |
| sriram | amitgandhinz: not another sriram… nooooooo | 19:48 |
| mpanetta | amitgandhinz: You don't you just need to cut one of their heads off | 19:48 |
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| malini | which one? | 19:49 |
| obulpathi | ahahhaa | 19:49 |
| amitgandhinz | mpanetta needs to watch ramayan | 19:49 |
| malini | :D | 19:49 |
| sriram | that is the question. | 19:49 |
| obulpathi | ramramyaan | 19:49 |
| mpanetta | Ooo what's that? | 19:49 |
| obulpathi | two rams :P | 19:49 |
| malini | https://yogyom.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/ravan.jpg | 19:49 |
| amitgandhinz | this meeting is gone downhill | 19:50 |
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| sriram | haha | 19:50 |
| malini | amitgandhinz: u hurt my religous feelings | 19:50 |
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| obulpathi | is he using stevedore? | 19:50 |
| obulpathi | he got so many heads? | 19:50 |
| malini | back to Vancouver | 19:50 |
| amitgandhinz | yes please | 19:51 |
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| amitgandhinz | so my thoughts are around (1) which covers topics suggested ine 2 and 3 | 19:51 |
| amitgandhinz | keeps it a bit high level | 19:52 |
| amitgandhinz | talks about poppy | 19:52 |
| amitgandhinz | talks about architecture | 19:52 |
| amitgandhinz | talks about challenges | 19:52 |
| amitgandhinz | and talks about partners | 19:52 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok 6 min left | 19:54 |
| amitgandhinz | lets wrap it up | 19:54 |
| megan_w_ | i worry something too generic won't attract people | 19:54 |
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| amitgandhinz | if we do "using docker and mimic with Poppy CDN" | 19:55 |
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| amitgandhinz | and then talk about poppy, arch, and partners | 19:55 |
| amitgandhinz | and then cover where docker helps in local deployment and testing | 19:55 |
| megan_w_ | love it | 19:55 |
| amitgandhinz | and mimic helps with provider conformance | 19:55 |
| megan_w_ | now we're talking | 19:55 |
| amitgandhinz | and docker and mimic are buzzwords to get ppl in | 19:55 |
| malini | we really need to talk abt partners to explain why mimic fits in | 19:55 |
| amitgandhinz | ya | 19:55 |
| megan_w_ | i was just going to say buzz works | 19:55 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok, i'll tidy things up, and get feedback before i submit it on monday | 19:57 |
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| amitgandhinz | #topic Open Discussion | 19:57 |
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| amitgandhinz | 3 min to talk about anything else (important) | 19:57 |
| malini | we can add our ideas to the etherpad in the next couple of days, rt? | 19:57 |
| amitgandhinz | ya | 19:57 |
| sriram | cool, lets keep this in the back of our heads, and keep adding things that come to mind. | 19:57 |
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| amitgandhinz | sounds good | 19:58 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok anythign else to discuss? | 19:58 |
| amitgandhinz | 1 min left | 19:59 |
| malini | nothing from me | 19:59 |
| amitgandhinz | nows your chance | 19:59 |
| amitgandhinz | going once | 19:59 |
| sriram | im good. | 19:59 |
| obulpathi | nothing from me | 19:59 |
| amitgandhinz | thanks everyone | 19:59 |
| amitgandhinz | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
| malini | thanks | 19:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:59 | |
| sriram | see ya o/ | 19:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 5 19:59:21 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-02-05-19.00.html | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-02-05-19.00.txt | 19:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-02-05-19.00.log.html | 19:59 |
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