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baoli | #startmeeting PCI Passthrough | 13:00 |
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openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'pci_passthrough' | 13:00 |
moshele | hi | 13:00 |
baoli | Hi there | 13:00 |
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pczesno | hi | 13:04 |
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baoli | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Passthrough#Agenda_on_Mar._2nd.2C_2015 | 13:05 |
baoli | moshele, sorry that your range support has to wait until L | 13:06 |
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moshele | that fine | 13:06 |
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baoli | I updated the page with what's outstanding now WRT SR-IOV | 13:07 |
baoli | I haven't had much time reviewing the latest patches related to SR-IOV. | 13:07 |
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baoli | I encourage you guys to review the patches for PCI Resize and cold migration. It really needs to be fixed. | 13:09 |
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baoli | I also add a bullet for the Task List for Upcomming Vancouver Summit, But I guss that I need to create an etherpad and link to it. | 13:10 |
baoli | Anything that you guys want to talk about? | 13:10 |
moshele | baoli: regarding the pci resize | 13:11 |
moshele | does youngli need help in coding ? | 13:12 |
baoli | moshele: he hasn't come to the meeting for a while. So I'm not sure. I will need to take a look at his patches to know if that's a complete set. | 13:13 |
moshele | ok I will also try the patches myself | 13:14 |
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baoli | pczesno: any thing new? | 13:16 |
pczesno | baoli, no nothing new | 13:16 |
pczesno | baoli, i haevn't heard anything from yongli as well | 13:17 |
pczesno | baoli, i'll ask him to show up in the meeting | 13:17 |
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baoli | pczesno: cool. | 13:18 |
baoli | I will try to update the meeting page biweekly. But please update it if you found anything new or missing. | 13:18 |
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* pczesno is in another meeting and might be even less talkative than normal | 13:22 | |
baoli | That's all I had for today. So I think we can get back to work now. | 13:22 |
moshele | bye | 13:22 |
baoli | Thanks for coming to the meeting | 13:22 |
pczesno | bye | 13:22 |
sadasu | thanks | 13:22 |
baoli | #endmeeting | 13:22 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 3 13:22:54 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:22 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2015/pci_passthrough.2015-03-03-13.00.html | 13:22 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2015/pci_passthrough.2015-03-03-13.00.txt | 13:22 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2015/pci_passthrough.2015-03-03-13.00.log.html | 13:23 |
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sc68cal | hello all | 15:00 |
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HenryG | o/ | 15:00 |
dboik | \o | 15:00 |
aveiga | hello | 15:00 |
sc68cal | #startmeeting neutron_ipv6 | 15:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 3 15:00:51 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ipv6' | 15:00 |
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dane_leblanc | o/ | 15:01 |
sc68cal | Since we're getting close to the K-3 deadline ( ttps://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/kilo-3 ) I'm going to leave the meeting pretty free-form and let people discuss patches and reviews | 15:01 |
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sc68cal | HenryG: btw thanks for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/159994/ | 15:03 |
sc68cal | (sharing for those who haven't seen it yet) | 15:03 |
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HenryG | I had help from dane_leblanc dboik baoli to troubleshoot | 15:04 |
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sc68cal | I know it's a big patch, but dane_leblanc 's review for the L3 agent fixes needs attention - I am guilty of not having a chance to review it yet. ( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149068/ ) | 15:05 |
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dane_leblanc | sc68cal: Thanks, looking forward to getting some eyes on that to confirm this is the right direction. | 15:06 |
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sc68cal | dane_leblanc: agreed - I just rebased my devstack-gate patch that sets IP_VERSION to 4+6 to depend on it | 15:06 |
sc68cal | so we'll see if a) zuul manages cross repo deps correctly and b) fixes the issue | 15:07 |
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sc68cal | ( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140128/ ) | 15:07 |
dane_leblanc | sc68cal: Cool! | 15:07 |
baoli | for PD, Tomek has incorporated our proposed change (with rewritten by him) in the dibbler master, and he'd create an official dibbler release 1.0.1RC1 | 15:08 |
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dane_leblanc | There are also other multi-prefix patches, one which I owe a review change for baoli: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113339/ | 15:08 |
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dane_leblanc | Also dboik's patch #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156360/ | 15:09 |
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baoli | The PD patch is here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158697/, and we're working on the unit test code to make it complete | 15:10 |
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dane_leblanc | baoli: That's awesome news on the dibbler front. | 15:11 |
sc68cal | Indeed, congrats! | 15:11 |
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baoli | dane_leblanc, yes indeed. It's really nice of Tomek giving us full support on that. | 15:12 |
john-davidge | Yeah, Tomek has been great incorporating the changes so fast | 15:12 |
dane_leblanc | baoli: Congrats to you and john-davidge! | 15:12 |
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baoli | and thanks for everyone who also helped on that | 15:12 |
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dboik | baoli: john-davidge: yes, congrats! | 15:13 |
john-davidge | dboik: thanks :) | 15:13 |
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HenryG | Great progress! But remember we need dibbler 1.01 included in the package libs used by the distros. | 15:15 |
sc68cal | Do we need to put a sanity check in, similar to what we do for dnsmasq version? | 15:16 |
john-davidge | sc68cal: Yes, definitely | 15:16 |
HenryG | sc68cal: A sanity check, yes. Checking the version number, though, is frowned upon. | 15:16 |
HenryG | We should check for the functionality we need. | 15:16 |
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baoli | We can add the check to see if it supports the workdir switch, I suppose | 15:17 |
HenryG | Something like that, yes. | 15:17 |
sc68cal | that sounds good to me | 15:17 |
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baoli | cool. | 15:18 |
sc68cal | BTW i'm seeing greens across the board in Zuul after setting the devstack-gate patch to depend on dane_leblanc 's | 15:18 |
sc68cal | super excited | 15:18 |
HenryG | nice! | 15:19 |
sc68cal | we'll have dual stack testing at the gate by kilo-3. This is fantastic | 15:19 |
baoli | sc68cal: a quick question about the dual stack. Does that mean the gate will always run as dual stack? | 15:20 |
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sc68cal | my patch sets IP_VERSION="4+6" when neutron is enabled in devstack | 15:20 |
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sc68cal | so yes | 15:20 |
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sc68cal | it's not the default in devstack, it's just when devstack is run by devstack-gate | 15:21 |
baoli | sc68cal, ok, thanks. | 15:21 |
HenryG | Step 1: make neutron the default in devstack | 15:21 |
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sc68cal | which I have worked on :) | 15:21 |
HenryG | Step 2: make 4+6 the default in devstack | 15:22 |
HenryG | Step 3: ???? | 15:22 |
dane_leblanc | Maybe a dumb question, but could the gate tests be changed to ping an external router? AFAIK the tempest tests only ping as far as the neutron gateway port? | 15:22 |
HenryG | step 4: ... profit! | 15:22 |
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haleyb | world domination ? | 15:22 |
sc68cal | dane_leblanc: that's a good suggestion, I know at least one cloud has v6 enabled, so we can do just that | 15:22 |
sc68cal | and routers advertising routes, so we can test end to end | 15:22 |
baoli | sc68cal, so this is the devstack gate, does other gate jobs (for example neutron) depends on it? I'm not familiar with the gate jobs. That's why my question. | 15:23 |
sc68cal | baoli: yes, devstack-gate is a piece of code that configures devstack for all the jobs that the gate runs. So in this case, whenever Neuron is set up by devstack - for example, neutron's runs, tempest, etcc.. this will have IP_VERSION="4+6+ | 15:24 |
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absubram | sc68cal: An update on another v6 BP ipv6-router.. It is out for review - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156283/ .. thank xuhanp for the initial review last week! | 15:25 |
absubram | It is no longer WIP but I have -1’d it for now.. I have just a couple more minor tweaks to put in place and some final testing to be completed.. including a 4+6 dual stack test and a final ping test.. | 15:26 |
baoli | sc68cal: thanks. If that's the case, I wonder should the gate also run as v4, v6, v4+v6 separately at some point. | 15:26 |
sc68cal | baoli: probably v4+v6 and v6 only at some point. Not sure about v4 only since your settings in devstack are additive, they don't change v4 if I'm not mistaken | 15:27 |
dane_leblanc | HenryG: Do the gating tests use the cirros image that does SSH v6 but not ping6? (I think that's what came up yesterday) | 15:27 |
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HenryG | dane_leblanc: I started looking into it and didn't really confirm, but it seems no SSH v6 support in the gate's cirros. | 15:28 |
sc68cal | yeah HenryG and I were just talking about that in openstack-neutron - we need to track https://bugs.launchpad.net/cirros/+bug/1366326 | 15:28 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1366326 in CirrOS "ipv6 support" [Medium,Confirmed] | 15:28 |
haleyb | i know there is no ping6 in the cirros image | 15:29 |
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dane_leblanc | Whoever "Unassigned" is, they have their work cut out for them for that Cirros bug. | 15:30 |
sc68cal | :) | 15:30 |
dboik | lol | 15:31 |
baoli | sc68cal, you can set it as 4, 6, or 4+6. I guess that tempest tests were not depending on the IP_VERSION setting. | 15:31 |
sc68cal | baoli: correct | 15:32 |
sc68cal | not directly | 15:32 |
sc68cal | but the devstack build that is run, in order to do the tempest tests depended. | 15:32 |
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baoli | HenryG: a question, so the v6 test you fixed depends on v4 connectivity? | 15:33 |
SridharG | In tempest, the tests would be run if CONF.network_feature_enabled.ipv6 is set. | 15:33 |
HenryG | baoli: it does | 15:34 |
baoli | HenryG, if at some point, we'd test v6-only setup, the test would have to be rewritten (or revised) | 15:34 |
HenryG | baoli: Yes, currently that test also sets up v4 addresses, so for now that's how it works. | 15:35 |
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sc68cal | Yes, this is tracked by this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1401726 | 15:35 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1401726 in tempest "Tempest IPv6 scenario tests use IPv4 and floating IPs to connect and test" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Sean M. Collins (scollins) | 15:35 |
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baoli | SridharG, in that case, it may make sense to set CONF.network_feature_neabled.ipv6 based on the devstack setting. | 15:35 |
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SridharG | baoli: yes, I agree. | 15:37 |
sc68cal | it might be the reverse | 15:37 |
sc68cal | have devstack set the tempest variable | 15:37 |
sc68cal | if IP_VERSION has 6 in it, do an iniset in tempest's conf | 15:38 |
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SridharG | yes sc68cal. We probably need a patch in devstack to set the tempest conf (CONF.network_feature_enabled.ipv6) if IP_VERSION has 6 in it. | 15:40 |
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baoli | sc68cal, ScridharG, and the devtest setting should be based on the Testbed that the gate jobs are runnning on, I suppose | 15:41 |
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sc68cal | possibly. I'll probably run a re-check or two, see if I can get scheduled on the non-ipv6 cloud (I forget which is the one that isn't, HP or RAX) and see if it fails | 15:42 |
sc68cal | when there is no external ipv6 | 15:42 |
haleyb | the non-ipv6 cloud would be hp :( | 15:43 |
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HenryG | But you are fixing that, right haleyb? :) | 15:43 |
haleyb | It's a long story.... | 15:44 |
dane_leblanc | haleyb: Non-ipv6 means there is no external IPv6 router... or there is no IPv6 on the host platform? | 15:44 |
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haleyb | there is no external router | 15:44 |
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SridharG | If we are only going to test neutron API for IPv6 features (i.e., IPv6 subnet creation, ssh connectivity) for "tenant" networks, I guess we can run on any Testbed right? We need support from platform/test-bed only if we are looking at an external IPv6 connectivity use-case isnt it? | 15:45 |
sc68cal | SridharG: correct | 15:45 |
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haleyb | right, i can create a devstack testbed inside any cloud that supports ipv6, it just can't always get to the v6 internet | 15:46 |
baoli | SridharG, correct. | 15:46 |
SridharG | True. So probably we need a new flag in tempest for external_ipv6 use-cases. The current flag can validate all the tenant IPv6 features. | 15:47 |
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SridharG | by doing this we can validate the IPv6 tenant use-cases in the gate (by default). | 15:50 |
dane_leblanc | The tests can still go as far as pinging the router gateway interface, just won't be able to do end-to-end pings to external V6 on the non-V6 platform. | 15:51 |
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SridharG | dane_leblanc: +1 | 15:52 |
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baoli | with more v6 related code added, the system behave differently with 4, 6, 4+6 even just on the api level. So it may make sense to run the gate jobs separately. | 15:52 |
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haleyb | So i'll just plug my latest review for fixing address family usage in ip_lib, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157555/ | 15:57 |
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haleyb | not sure if some of those changes are needed by the cisco team's code | 15:57 |
sc68cal | cool, I'll check out the latest | 15:57 |
HenryG | haleyb: It's a good change, but touches a lot of methods. Needs plenty of reviewers. | 15:58 |
dane_leblanc | haleyb: Looks similar to what I was doing in my patch for multi-prefix | 15:58 |
baoli | haleyb: will take a look | 15:58 |
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haleyb | yes, part of it was stolen from Sridhar's patchset, and it does touch more than i planned | 16:00 |
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SridharG | haleyb: no issues at all :-) I had a look at your patchset, it looks good. | 16:01 |
dane_leblanc | haleyb: Looks good, will have to undo some stuff in my patch, but this was definitely needed. | 16:02 |
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sc68cal | ok all, we're out of time | 16:02 |
sc68cal | #endmeeting | 16:02 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 3 16:02:39 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:02 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2015/neutron_ipv6.2015-03-03-15.00.html | 16:02 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2015/neutron_ipv6.2015-03-03-15.00.txt | 16:02 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2015/neutron_ipv6.2015-03-03-15.00.log.html | 16:02 |
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serg_melikyan | #startmeeting murano | 17:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 3 17:00:06 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is serg_melikyan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:00 |
serg_melikyan | Hi folks! | 17:00 |
kzaitsev_ | evening | 17:00 |
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serg_melikyan | I hope we are not going to be only ones who attended :) | 17:02 |
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katyafervent | Hi! | 17:04 |
ruhe | o/ | 17:04 |
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serg_melikyan | o/ | 17:04 |
henar | hi | 17:04 |
slagun | hi | 17:04 |
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freerunner | hi folks | 17:05 |
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pashkin | Hello! | 17:06 |
serg_melikyan | Let's get started :) | 17:06 |
serg_melikyan | #topic Action Items | 17:06 |
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serg_melikyan | #1 kzaitsev, ask oslo.i18n team if they have an easy way to test that and file a bp to actually test translations | 17:07 |
serg_melikyan | kzaitsev_: had a chance to talk with people from oslo? | 17:07 |
kzaitsev_ | Sorry, I hadn't =( I'm intending to do that asap, though. | 17:08 |
serg_melikyan | Let's finish with this i18n story :) | 17:08 |
serg_melikyan | Unfortunately agenda for todays meeting is pretty short, do we have some question that we should add to the agenda? | 17:09 |
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serg_melikyan | #topic Open Discussion | 17:10 |
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serg_melikyan | henar: how work on Environment Templates is going? I saw that we already merged part of the functionality :) | 17:10 |
henar | yes, and hte creation of an environment from a template is comming.. | 17:12 |
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henar | so it should be everything completed in some days | 17:12 |
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kzaitsev_ | I guess everyone is pretty busy preparing for the FF | 17:12 |
serg_melikyan | Excellent, we definitely need to prepare some demo for this feature to publish before the summit | 17:13 |
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serg_melikyan | kzaitsev_: yeah, K3 is a last code drop before the release | 17:13 |
serg_melikyan | henar: had a chance to take a look on feature that gives ability to attach application to the existing network? | 17:14 |
serg_melikyan | That I had shared sometimes ago? | 17:14 |
henar | no really... | 17:14 |
henar | I will try to do this week | 17:14 |
serg_melikyan | henar: we tested this feature with OS deployments that have 1 shared network for all tenants, but it should be also helpfull for platform that you guys working on | 17:15 |
henar | ok | 17:16 |
henar | ok | 17:17 |
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serg_melikyan | freerunner: Do you have news about CI/CD for Congress & Mistral integration? | 17:17 |
serg_melikyan | I saw most of the patches are merged, but what about CI job? | 17:17 |
serg_melikyan | When we will have that third-party job? | 17:18 |
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serg_melikyan | freerunner: ? you are with us? | 17:20 |
freerunner | serg_melikyan: As i know, the job was configured and initial scripts in murano-repo was already prepaired. | 17:20 |
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serg_melikyan | Any chance do you know status of the job? Maybe we need to review it? | 17:21 |
freerunner | serg_melikyan: But i haven't any information about status. =( I'll inspect in soon. | 17:21 |
freerunner | *it | 17:22 |
serg_melikyan | I think we need to finish with this third-party CI ASAP, feature freeze is in a weeks away and we need to make sure that merged tests are running and everything is working | 17:23 |
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serg_melikyan | freerunner: if you will need my help with that I would be happy to help :) | 17:26 |
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freerunner | serg_melikyan: ofc, i'll start working on it tomorrow. =) | 17:27 |
serg_melikyan | ofc? :) | 17:27 |
freerunner | serg_melikyan: 'ofc' is about make sure that merged tests are working =) | 17:28 |
* serg_melikyan googled | 17:28 | |
serg_melikyan | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ofc | 17:28 |
serg_melikyan | I love urbandictionary :) | 17:29 |
serg_melikyan | I love second description of this term ) | 17:30 |
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serg_melikyan | slagun: how do you think will we have much troubles with YAQL 1.0? | 17:30 |
serg_melikyan | I hope compatibility layer can help us, but will it be sufficient? Will we be able to use new features? | 17:31 |
serg_melikyan | What is your plan about it? | 17:31 |
slagun | serg_melikyan: troubles - no. But quite some work to migrate (much more than for Mistral for example) | 17:31 |
slagun | compatibility layer is not helping with migration. It is intended to help end user so that it will be possible to have smooth transition | 17:32 |
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slagun | going to finish with migration this week. At lease if I won't spend it with k8s | 17:33 |
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serg_melikyan | But will it limit features available to the user? | 17:33 |
serg_melikyan | slagun: I hope so :) But I think k8s is not so easy task :( | 17:33 |
serg_melikyan | I didn't expect so much troubles with networking | 17:34 |
serg_melikyan | slagun: what do you think about wrapping all details about networking to some short document that we may share with k8s developers? | 17:35 |
slagun | no :) in fact the immediate visible difference will be hundred on new functions methods and operators become available in MuranoPL. The next hop will be static functions and later extension methods based on new YAQL | 17:35 |
serg_melikyan | I think we should reach out to them - maybe they have some ideas and will help to solve our issues much more easily | 17:36 |
serg_melikyan | slagun: excellent :) | 17:36 |
slagun | serg_melikyan: that is a good idea. Unfortunately the document alone will not help to deliver it in time | 17:36 |
serg_melikyan | Yeah, I get that. But it will help to not repeat to each new person involved our issues and what we are doing. | 17:37 |
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serg_melikyan | And we can have some chat with them and discuss our issue - I think they are interested in proper support in OpenStack for k8s and probably there are some solution that maybe done on they side | 17:38 |
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serg_melikyan | So what do you think about putting some short document describing how it works (on networking side) with emphasis on issues related on networking in OpenStack? | 17:39 |
serg_melikyan | Really short one | 17:39 |
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serg_melikyan | slagun: ping | 17:43 |
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serg_melikyan | #action kzaitsev, ask oslo.i18n team if they have an easy way to test that and file a bp to actually test translations | 17:43 |
slagun | serg_melikyan: I'll write a summary of all approaches I see, pros and cons and brief description on how k8s network works | 17:44 |
* serg_melikyan just recording AIs | 17:44 | |
kzaitsev_ | Oh! seems like i18n meeting is being held this week on thursday | 17:44 |
kzaitsev_ | I think I'll atend it | 17:44 |
kzaitsev_ | seems like a good place to get help =) | 17:44 |
serg_melikyan | slagun: I would start with description how it works - it will already help to spot issues and probable solutions. And they we will work on possible solutions. I think it's better approach | 17:45 |
serg_melikyan | kzaitsev_: sure :) though it may be faster to reach them in they IRC channel | 17:45 |
serg_melikyan | *then will | 17:45 |
serg_melikyan | slagun: Let's start with short description how it works and incompatibilities with OpenStack? | 17:46 |
slagun | I'm going to write an email that explains all of this | 17:47 |
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serg_melikyan | slagun: thank you! though I think to have it in etherpad is better - easier to share | 17:47 |
serg_melikyan | #action slagun, write short description how k8s works and incompatibilities with OpenStack | 17:48 |
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kzaitsev_ | They have "Introduction of translation test project" in their agenda for Thursday. | 17:52 |
kzaitsev_ | wonder what that means... =) | 17:52 |
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serg_melikyan | kzaitsev_: looks very promising :) | 17:54 |
serg_melikyan | or sounds :) | 17:54 |
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serg_melikyan | Thank you for attending todays meeting! | 17:58 |
serg_melikyan | #endmeeting | 17:58 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 3 17:58:48 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:58 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-03-03-17.00.html | 17:58 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-03-03-17.00.txt | 17:58 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-03-03-17.00.log.html | 17:58 |
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devkulkarni | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 21:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 3 21:00:15 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devkulkarni. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 21:00 |
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devkulkarni | #topic Roll Call | 21:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 21:00 | |
devkulkarni | Devdatta Kulkarni | 21:00 |
akshayc | Akshay Chhajed | 21:00 |
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james_li | james li | 21:00 |
ravips | Ravi Sankar Penta | 21:00 |
mkam | Melissa Kam | 21:00 |
datsun180b | Ed Cranford | 21:01 |
devkulkarni | hi akshayc, ravips, james_li, mkam, datsun180b | 21:01 |
devkulkarni | thanks for joining | 21:01 |
akshayc | hi devkulkarni | 21:01 |
ravips | hi dev | 21:01 |
devkulkarni | here is our agenda for today: | 21:01 |
devkulkarni | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum | 21:01 |
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devkulkarni | there is only one item under 3-3 | 21:02 |
devkulkarni | but we have not completed items from 2-24 | 21:02 |
devkulkarni | so we can continue where we left of last time | 21:02 |
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datsun180b | makes sense to start from where we left off | 21:02 |
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devkulkarni | so last week I think james_li informed us about the features of custom port support and robustness improvements | 21:03 |
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devkulkarni | today I would like to start with giving some updates about changes to the deployment | 21:03 |
devkulkarni | (devkulkarni): Supporting different backends for deployment | 21:04 |
devkulkarni | So till now, we were only supporting deployment of docker containers via heat+nova-docker driver | 21:04 |
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akshayc | ok | 21:05 |
devkulkarni | we thought what if we don't have the nova-docker driver available in a our deployment? what could we do? | 21:05 |
devkulkarni | the solution was to consider alternative deployment strategies. | 21:05 |
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devkulkarni | the one that became immediately apparent was to consider something like CoreOS and deploy DUs on it | 21:05 |
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devkulkarni | PaulCzar had started on that effort sometime back | 21:05 |
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devkulkarni | We continued that patch forward and took it to completion | 21:06 |
devkulkarni | basic idea is that | 21:06 |
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devkulkarni | Heat will deploy a CoreOS VM and pass the location of the DU via user-data section of the template | 21:06 |
devkulkarni | the location | 21:07 |
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devkulkarni | could be either docker registry based, or swift based | 21:07 |
devkulkarni | for swift, we are generating a tempURL with configurable expiry time | 21:07 |
devkulkarni | so we construct the template in our deployer, set the image-id to use as the CoreOS VM image id, and then create the heat stack | 21:08 |
devkulkarni | Heat spins up the VM, and then executes the user-data section | 21:08 |
devkulkarni | which consists of: downloading the DU, importing it in the local docker registry, and then executing 'docker run | 21:09 |
devkulkarni | currently you may not be able to try this feature in our vagrant setup | 21:09 |
devkulkarni | I am still working on it | 21:09 |
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devkulkarni | we need to register the coreos vm in glance as part of spinning up the Vagrant devstack environment | 21:10 |
devkulkarni | I have that patch submitted | 21:10 |
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devkulkarni | but currently our vagrant deployments have not been working for some reason | 21:10 |
devkulkarni | I am getting 'No valid host found' error (even after increasing memory to 10 G) | 21:11 |
devkulkarni | any questions/comments so far? I would be happy to walk you through the relevant code changes if anyone is interested | 21:12 |
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ravips | no valid host error from heat? | 21:12 |
devkulkarni | yeah.. | 21:12 |
james_li | after you upload a coreos image to glance, can you do nova boot? | 21:12 |
devkulkarni | yes, I can do a nova boot | 21:13 |
james_li | ok, can you boot a coreos Vm via heat? | 21:13 |
devkulkarni | a related problem is that injecting keys via nova boot does not seem to work for the coreos image that I am using | 21:13 |
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devkulkarni | james_li: good question. | 21:14 |
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james_li | the only reason we use coreos is that it already has docker | 21:14 |
james_li | people can use any ubuntu image and install docker on it | 21:14 |
james_li | so we are not limited to coreOS | 21:14 |
devkulkarni | On vagrant I think I am not able to boot Coreos vm via heat. It gives the 'no valid host' found error, which is thrown by nova | 21:15 |
devkulkarni | james_li: you are right | 21:15 |
gpilz | gilbert pilz is here | 21:15 |
ravips | devkulkarni: did we check heat event list | 21:15 |
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devkulkarni | james_li: also the fact that we are not using the 'units' as defined in the coreos terminology, makes it more the reason for us to not get constrained to coreos | 21:16 |
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devkulkarni | ravips: yes, I did. I looked at heat's service screens | 21:16 |
devkulkarni | I was able to correlate the 'no valid host' found error from heat to nova | 21:16 |
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devkulkarni | james_li: however, for our Vagrant setup, I think the coreos image is good as it already has docker on it. We don't need to build or maintain it. | 21:17 |
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devkulkarni | I mean an image that has docker on it | 21:17 |
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devkulkarni | james_li: here is the image that we are using: http://alpha.release.core-os.net/amd64-usr/current/coreos_production_openstack_image.img.bz2 | 21:18 |
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devkulkarni | https://github.com/stackforge/solum/blob/master/contrib/devstack/lib/solum | 21:18 |
devkulkarni | check solum_install_core_os function from there | 21:18 |
devkulkarni | anyways. ping me on solum if you want to discuss/find out more about deployments | 21:19 |
ravips | devkulkarni: not the heat service screen, heat event-list shows all stages for the given stack and event-show can give you more insights | 21:19 |
devkulkarni | ravips: oh okay. | 21:20 |
devkulkarni | did not know about that. | 21:20 |
devkulkarni | I will try heat even-list and see what events are being emitted by heat | 21:20 |
ravips | ravips: learned that from angus when i ran into some issue | 21:20 |
devkulkarni | heat event-list | 21:20 |
james_li | probably we need to implement a similar thing for solum :) | 21:20 |
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james_li | solum event-list | 21:20 |
devkulkarni | james_li: +10 | 21:20 |
ravips | +1 | 21:21 |
devkulkarni | ravips: thanks for suggesting those two commands. will definitely try them next time I am debugging the Vagrant setup | 21:21 |
devkulkarni | Ok. lets move on to the next topic. It is from datsun180b | 21:22 |
devkulkarni | (datsun180b): CLI changes (introduction of the new 'app' namespace) | 21:22 |
devkulkarni | datsun180b: floor is yours | 21:22 |
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datsun180b | You may have noticed these 'app' commands in the CLI. They're the forerunners of a number of changes I'm looking to make to Solum | 21:22 |
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datsun180b | Namely, streamlining the user experience of dealing with apps via assemblies and plans. The end goal is to expose just 'apps' in the CLI and API, and leave the fate of plans and assemblies and such as internal details | 21:23 |
devkulkarni | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/FeatureBlueprints/NewCLI | 21:24 |
devkulkarni | we had discussed this in one of our recent meetings | 21:24 |
devkulkarni | datsun180b: so, how far have you progressed on this change? | 21:25 |
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datsun180b | At present, the CLI presents apps as gloms of apps and plans | 21:25 |
datsun180b | I'd like to, eventually, make app _the_ resource of interaction for Solum | 21:26 |
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devkulkarni | You mean on the API side? Makes sense to have one-to-one mapping from CLI to API | 21:26 |
james_li | +1 | 21:27 |
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datsun180b | but this recent change does somethign drastic by, instead of 409ing on 'plan delete <occupied plan>', going ahead and taking care of the assemblies (and stacks/components and logs and such) and deleting the plan | 21:27 |
devkulkarni | which recent change? | 21:27 |
datsun180b | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160501/ | 21:28 |
gpilz | I think that stopping a deleting a running application because you've deleted the blueprint for that application (the plan) seems a little drastic | 21:28 |
ravips | datsun180b: new cli is awesome, don't we still want to keep plan cli (at least for admins)? I'm thinking the case where vendor wants to distribute some app templates that users can readily use instead of writing custom plan files | 21:28 |
gpilz | it would be like burning my house to ground because I shredded the blueprint | 21:28 |
gpilz | I don't know why you would do that | 21:29 |
datsun180b | gpilz: we won't always destroy them, current thinking is instead to stop them and maintain the assembly rows as a history of actions upon an app | 21:29 |
datsun180b | we just don't have an "assembly stop" mechanism | 21:29 |
devkulkarni | gpilz: also, there will be 'app stop' command coming soon | 21:29 |
gpilz | ed: that seems the be the real issue | 21:30 |
datsun180b | further, there's the matter of associating an app with up to one deployed-and-running instance of your code | 21:30 |
devkulkarni | ravips: in the use case that you described, how will having the plan cli help? | 21:31 |
datsun180b | ravips: i imagine the plan and assembly commands will be removed in the future | 21:31 |
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datsun180b | registering an app will be a matter of "app create", not "plan create", and building & deploying an app will be a matter of "app build" or "app deploy", not "assembly create" | 21:32 |
ravips | devkulkarni: admins can register plans using plan cli and user can use plan id in the app cli to reference existing plans (need some auth checks) | 21:32 |
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datsun180b | that a plan or assembly is created or destroyed is not a concerning matter for a user, ideally | 21:32 |
gpilz | +1 | 21:32 |
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datsun180b | ravips: there's also the matter of separating registered plans from provided templates | 21:33 |
devkulkarni | ravips: that could be done by introducing 'app register' | 21:33 |
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ravips | devkulkarni: register app will create an assembly? | 21:35 |
datsun180b | no, an app | 21:35 |
devkulkarni | ravips: no | 21:35 |
datsun180b | assemblies are instances of building/built/deployed user code | 21:35 |
ravips | what's the difference between assembly and an app? | 21:35 |
devkulkarni | I am saying that the use case that you described — that someone registers a app template/plan file and others use it — can be achieved by something like 'app register'. we don't specifically need plan cli for that | 21:36 |
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datsun180b | an app includes the registration, overhead like heat components, logfiles, user secrets, and activity history | 21:36 |
devkulkarni | ravips: what datsun180b mentioned above | 21:36 |
datsun180b | by "includes" i mean "will ideally include" | 21:36 |
ravips | okay, app deploy will create a running instance | 21:36 |
devkulkarni | ravips: yep | 21:36 |
datsun180b | (building it if need be) | 21:36 |
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devkulkarni | ravips: you might want to take a look at my comment on this: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160501/ | 21:37 |
ravips | ah, perfect | 21:37 |
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datsun180b | so this all to say, lacking an app resource, a user deleting an app means to destroy every aspect of it, no questions asked | 21:38 |
devkulkarni | datsun180b: even when we have app resource, | 21:39 |
datsun180b | if that means stopping and possibly removing assemblies, that's what it means | 21:39 |
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devkulkarni | wouldn't deleting the app amount to deleting all aspects of it. no? | 21:39 |
gpilz | ummm | 21:39 |
devkulkarni | may be we can take query params at that point | 21:39 |
datsun180b | what i mean is, since we have no app but a plan, deleting a plan should mean the same thing | 21:39 |
devkulkarni | and selectively delete some or other things | 21:39 |
devkulkarni | datsun180b: ok, makes sense. | 21:40 |
gpilz | the reason CAMP doesn't say you must delete the plan when you delete the app | 21:40 |
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gpilz | is that the user may have spent some considerable time and effort uploading various artifacts to the platform (datasets, etc.) | 21:40 |
datsun180b | of course, the registration information is important | 21:41 |
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gpilz | and, if they wanted to start *another* app (that was very much like the app they just deleted but maybe slightly different) | 21:41 |
datsun180b | so there's another matter of our db's foreign-key reference from assemblies to plans | 21:41 |
devkulkarni | I remember that the CLI makes that distinction between 'delete' and 'destroy' | 21:41 |
gpilz | we didn't want to force the user to have to re-upload all that information | 21:41 |
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devkulkarni | sure | 21:41 |
datsun180b | that's the underlying reason--when an assembly is updated, it has to make reference to plan data | 21:41 |
gpilz | however, it doesn't seem like Solum is that worried about this case | 21:41 |
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gpilz | all of the stuff I've seen just uses reference to git | 21:42 |
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devkulkarni | from user point of view though, there is no 'plan'. there is just an 'app' | 21:42 |
datsun180b | but with the future app model, assemblies won't be updated--each new app deploy would create a new app from the current registered plan | 21:42 |
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devkulkarni | datsun180b: minor correction | 21:42 |
datsun180b | go ahead | 21:43 |
gpilz | ed: that makes sense | 21:43 |
devkulkarni | each new app deploy would create a new assembly | 21:43 |
datsun180b | thanks yes | 21:43 |
datsun180b | that's what i mean, promise | 21:43 |
devkulkarni | gpilz: point about not deleting the registration information is valid | 21:43 |
datsun180b | it's the same app, it may be a different plan, but it's a new assembly | 21:43 |
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devkulkarni | I think in the cli that distinction is made by specifying 'app delete' and 'app destroy' | 21:44 |
gpilz | that makes sense | 21:44 |
devkulkarni | at least at one point that was the case. | 21:44 |
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gpilz | i'm not sure about conflating "apps" and "plans" | 21:44 |
ravips | devkulkarni: can you elaborate distinction between app delete/destroy | 21:44 |
datsun180b | i never signed off on destroy | 21:44 |
gpilz | a plan is not an app - it is information about how to create an app | 21:45 |
devkulkarni | ravips: sure | 21:45 |
datsun180b | gpilz: completely correct about plans and apps | 21:45 |
datsun180b | an app will own one or more plans for versioning | 21:45 |
gpilz | can two apps reference the same plan? | 21:45 |
datsun180b | and that app will own one or more assemblies, up to one of which is deployed unless i'm wrong | 21:45 |
devkulkarni | datsun180b: that is correct | 21:46 |
datsun180b | gpilz: i wouldn't think so | 21:46 |
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gpilz | i hear you saying that, to support versioning, you need a higher level resource, "app", which references one or more assemblies | 21:47 |
devkulkarni | gpilz: what do you mean? an 'app' includes the following: a template describing the relevant thinngs like git url + some workflow defn + various instantiations of the associated workflows | 21:47 |
gpilz | each assembly is a different version of the app? | 21:47 |
devkulkarni | gpilz: an assembly is instantiation of different workflows associated with an app | 21:47 |
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gpilz | why don't you model those workflows as components? | 21:48 |
devkulkarni | how will that help? | 21:48 |
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gpilz | it seems to me like you are inventing a higher-level collection resource | 21:48 |
gpilz | because you've ignored the fact that the resource you've been working with, "assembly", is actually a collection of components | 21:49 |
gpilz | maybe i'm wrong | 21:49 |
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datsun180b | i've been working on removing some of those things from an assembly, like the triggers | 21:49 |
devkulkarni | gpilz: we are starting from the point of view of what did currently an assembly represent in Solum's current architecture | 21:50 |
devkulkarni | datsun180b: +1 | 21:50 |
datsun180b | and shortly, heat components for example | 21:50 |
datsun180b | so if an app owns an LB, we can swap out the assembly and point the LB to a new web head without the IP of the app changing | 21:50 |
devkulkarni | gpilz: this #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160501/ has more explanation of the rationale | 21:50 |
datsun180b | for example | 21:51 |
datsun180b | oh we are nearly out of time | 21:51 |
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datsun180b | So I propose we get a solid write-up of what all this app resource entails so far as changes to Solum | 21:52 |
devkulkarni | datsun180b: +1 | 21:53 |
akshayc | +1 | 21:53 |
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datsun180b | We have the NewCLI doc in the wiki that we can use to drive some design | 21:53 |
gpilz | +1 | 21:53 |
ravips | +1 | 21:53 |
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devkulkarni | cool. | 21:53 |
devkulkarni | we are almost out of time. | 21:53 |
devkulkarni | lets just jump to open discussion | 21:53 |
devkulkarni | #topic Open discussion | 21:54 |
datsun180b | devkulkarni, you're the chair, can you task me with that? | 21:54 |
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devkulkarni | #agreed datsun180b will document the changes to Solum due to the introduction of the app resource | 21:54 |
datsun180b | that ought to show up on the record | 21:55 |
devkulkarni | #action datsun180b will document the changes to Solum due to the introduction of the app resource | 21:55 |
devkulkarni | akshayc: did you see james_li's patch? | 21:55 |
akshayc | yep | 21:56 |
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devkulkarni | james_li: mind updating folks about your patch | 21:56 |
james_li | converting bash to python requires installing docker-py | 21:56 |
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james_li | which is not in the global requirements of openstack | 21:57 |
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james_li | so in the light of akshayc's infra patch I submitted another patch so that we can enable docker-py just by making a local change | 21:58 |
james_li | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160041/ | 21:58 |
devkulkarni | datsun180b had a comment on it | 21:58 |
akshayc | cool…. any picks for python git library? | 21:58 |
datsun180b | akshayc: no clue, pick one and go nuts | 21:59 |
james_li | akshayc: did a quick looking on that, but it seems there is not yet a stable py-git that we can use | 21:59 |
akshayc | ok…. so use shell? | 21:59 |
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devkulkarni | its about time. | 21:59 |
akshayc | ok | 21:59 |
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datsun180b | back to #solum, thanks everyone | 22:00 |
devkulkarni | I mean't we are at the end of our meeting | 22:00 |
devkulkarni | thanks | 22:00 |
devkulkarni | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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