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| dhellmann | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
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| dhellmann | our agenda: | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 23 16:00:30 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| bknudson | lol | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | courtesy ping for jd__, dims, bnemec, flaper87, harlowja, viktors, rpodolyaka, zzzeek, sileht, kgiusti, dansmith | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | courtesy ping for redrobot, jungleboyj, zhiyan, therve, amotoki, GheRivero, bknudson, ihrachyshka, jogo, dougwig, sreshetnyak, amrith | 16:00 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 16:00 |
| redrobot | o/ | 16:00 |
| amrith | o/ | 16:00 |
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| dims | o/ | 16:00 |
| ihrachyshka | o/ | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | yo yo | 16:01 |
| viktors | o/ | 16:01 |
| rpodolyaka | o/ | 16:01 |
| dansmith | \oj | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | #topic Review action items from previous meeting | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review action items from previous meeting (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:01 | |
| dhellmann | just one item from last week | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | #info dims set up backport of oslo.db fix for after-fork handling of connections DONE oslo.db 1.7.1 | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | more on backports later... | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:01 | |
| dhellmann | how are things looking going into the release candidate period? | 16:02 |
| bknudson | none from keystone | 16:02 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: are you around? | 16:02 |
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| jecarey | o/ | 16:02 |
| bnemec | \o | 16:02 |
| e0ne | i'm with jungleboyj would like to ask about adding hacking checks to projects for logging guidelines | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | did all the requirements tweaks get merged into the various projects? | 16:03 |
| ihrachyshka | oslo.messaging kilo release? neutron would like to have one with multitarget patch | 16:03 |
| ihrachyshka | patch: https://review.openstack.org/166349 | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | I am here now. | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | ihrachyshka: we'll be discussing that in a bit | 16:03 |
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| bknudson | some of these hacking checks could just as well be unit tests. | 16:03 |
| ihrachyshka | in that way we'll be able to deprecate old namespaces earlier | 16:03 |
| * stevemar sneaks in and continues to lurk | 16:03 | |
| ihrachyshka | ack | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Yeah, we should chat about that. | 16:03 |
| dims | harlowja_at_home: i tried to +A over the weekend, there may be some stragglers | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims, cools | 16:04 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ^ also i guess for integrating projects; seems like thats underway | 16:04 |
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| harlowja_at_home | seems like glance had a brokeness @ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166796/ | 16:04 |
| e0ne | imo, it would be graet to have such checks in oslo.log or openstack/hacking to run it for all projects | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | e0ne: I know some projects have written checks like that. It's worth discussing adding them to hacking or oslo.log or something to make them easy to share | 16:04 |
| e0ne | dhellmann: +1 | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | e0ne: but they need to be optional, in case not all projects want to use them | 16:05 |
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| jungleboyj | e0ne: We just pulled a number in from Nova. | 16:05 |
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| e0ne | dhellmann: sure. but makint it only for cinder or nova is not a best way. | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | e0ne: so maybe a mailing list thread is the next step? jogo and mtreinish manage the hacking project under QA now | 16:05 |
| ihrachyshka | hacking project seems to be quite slow to receive changes though | 16:05 |
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| dhellmann | ihrachyshka: that is by design | 16:06 |
| ihrachyshka | :) | 16:06 |
| e0ne | dhellmann: ok. lets start disccussion aboit logging hacking checks in openstack-dev ML | 16:06 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | e0ne: sounds good, I'll watch for the thread | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: +2 | 16:06 |
| bknudson | what logging check do you want to do? | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | are there any other issues we need to discuss? | 16:06 |
| * dhellmann notices harlowja_at_home's comment about glance | 16:06 | |
| e0ne | bknudson: to make logging correspond guidelines | 16:06 |
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| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, glance comment @ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166796/ :-P | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | dhellmann: General issues? | 16:07 |
| dims | dhellmann: Andreas spotted it, should be under control | 16:07 |
| e0ne | dhellmann, jungleboyj: are you ok if i'ls start thread? | 16:07 |
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| jungleboyj | e0ne: Go for it. | 16:07 |
| e0ne | ok. i'll do | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | jungleboyj: anything that might be blocking your progress | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | jungleboyj: but I guess really anything :-) | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | dhellmann: Ok, I just wanted to bring up here: https://review.openstack.org/165431 | 16:08 |
| dstanek | e0ne: i'd love to know more about the logging checks. i've implemented a bunch of stuff about logging for Keystone | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | That is the review for trying to move to using the new oslo-config-generator. | 16:08 |
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| jungleboyj | Cinder cores were not super excited by that approach so I have proposed an alternate approach to the mailing list. | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | Appreciate feedback, especially from Nova and Neutron on that note. | 16:09 |
| e0ne | dstanek: i want to get it aotomatic for all patches. | 16:09 |
| bknudson | mock the log call and make it fail if you don't like the args. | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-March/thread.html#59557 | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | jungleboyj's ML thread on the config generator ^^ | 16:10 |
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| ihrachyshka | jungleboyj, ack, I'll check and respond | 16:11 |
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| bknudson | would be nice if you didn't have to import the world to generate the config file. | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | dhellmann: Thank you. At this point I am guessing this is going to go out into Liberty. We shall see though. I am out the next week but will try to code up whatever is agreed upon as soon as I get back. | 16:11 |
| bknudson | but I guess it's easy enough with tox venv. | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | bknudson: Yeah, the new proposal would reduce that a lot. | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | yeah, it may be late to make the change for kilo, but that's up to the cinder team | 16:11 |
| bknudson | doesn't have to be perfect to begin with, as long as it works. | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | bknudson: Agreed. Want to move in the direction of something that everyone is ok with though. | 16:12 |
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| dhellmann | it would be good to put together some advice for projects going through a similar discussion | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | dhellmann: +2 | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | there hasn't been much input on that thread, yet, but maybe this week | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home: it looks like that glance patch is failing so it won't merge? | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home: something to do with a database migration test | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | dhellmann: Yeah, hoping maybe while I am out this week people will give more input. | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, maybe some other glance issue then | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | If I don't hear much more I will just try to go forward with what we discussed next week. | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | jungleboyj: ++ | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home: yeah :-/ | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | ok, is there anything else we need to raise as an issue? | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | I am done. :-) | 16:16 |
| dims | dhellmann: heartbeat patch, whether or not to ship with kilo | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | dims: I have that listed under ongoing work | 16:16 |
| dims | code is in oslo.messaging/trunk | 16:16 |
| * dhellmann failed to update the agenda in the wiki | 16:17 | |
| dims | cool thx | 16:17 |
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| dhellmann | #topic Feature freeze | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | #info we should be focusing on bug fixes leading up to the release candidate period | 16:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Feature freeze (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:17 | |
| dhellmann | #info remember the incubator is still frozen because we haven't created a stable branch there, yet | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | we will do that around the time of the other release candidates | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | the fix to the service module for reloading the config is a good example of something we want to let in | 16:17 |
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| dims | +1 dhellmann | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | while harlowja_at_home's patch to add a deprecation warning to a method of the same class is an example of something that needs to wait | 16:18 |
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| harlowja_at_home | fine with me :) | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home's patch has 2 +2 so it can land right after the branch is created | 16:18 |
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| bnemec | ack | 16:18 |
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| dhellmann | #topic Ongoing work & Review priorities | 16:19 |
| dhellmann | #info we released a fix for the db connection after fork issue as oslo.db 1.7.1 | 16:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ongoing work & Review priorities (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:19 | |
| dhellmann | do we have any other fixes we need to backport to the stable/kilo branches of any libraries? | 16:19 |
| dhellmann | maybe the rabbit heartbeat fix for oslo.messaging? | 16:19 |
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| dhellmann | ihrachyshka proposed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166349/ but I don't know if that's a good candidate -- it looks like a feature? | 16:20 |
| dims | dhellmann: oslo.db probably has a couple (there's a LOG for retry) | 16:21 |
| ihrachyshka | dhellmann, yeah, for incremental upgrade. otherwise we're left with RPC namespaces in bad shape for another cycle. | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | dims: good point; rpodolyaka & viktors : can you put together a list of patches that need to be backported for a new release of oslo.db from the stable/kilo branch? | 16:21 |
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| dhellmann | ihrachyshka: ok, I probably need to read more about the background of that | 16:22 |
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| ihrachyshka | dhellmann, the bug should give you insight | 16:22 |
| rpodolyaka | dhellmann: ok. viktors will put a list of patches | 16:22 |
| rpodolyaka | *and I | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | rpodolyaka, viktors : if you go ahead and submit them for review, we won't need to track a separate list somewhere :-) | 16:22 |
| rpodolyaka | dhellmann: true :) | 16:23 |
| dhellmann | ihrachyshka: ok, I'll take a look | 16:23 |
| dims | ++ to reviews | 16:23 |
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| dhellmann | #action rpodolyaka and viktors to identify oslo.db patches that need to be backported to stable/kilo | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | sileht: can you do the same for oslo.messaging? | 16:24 |
| sileht | dhellmann, sure | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | sileht: thanks | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | #action sileht to identify oslo.messaging patches that need to be backported to stable/kilo | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | do we need to look at any of the other libs? | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | We also have a bunch of specs up for review, and we should start the discussion on those before the summit | 16:25 |
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| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack%2Foslo-specs+is:open,n,z | 16:25 |
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| dims | don't see anything else dhellmann | 16:26 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, I think we've already found all of the big items | 16:27 |
| viktors | rpodolyaka, dhellmann: sorry, was afk. Agree with Roman | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | viktors: np, thanks | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | ok, that's it for the formal agenda this week | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | #topic open discussion | 16:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:27 | |
| bknudson | stevedore: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166543/ | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | I am going to be on vacation 26-31 March. I don't expect to be checking email during that time. | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | dims volunteered to chair the meeting next week | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: nice, I'll put that on my review list | 16:28 |
| dims | have a good vacation dhellmann! | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | dims: thanks! | 16:29 |
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| jungleboyj | I am also out 3/24 to 3/31 if anyone is looking for me. I will occasionally check e-mail. | 16:29 |
| dhellmann | jungleboyj: thanks for the heads-up | 16:29 |
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| bknudson | spring breakers. | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | Welcome. | 16:29 |
| * jungleboyj needs vacation! Warm beach, here I come! | 16:30 | |
| jungleboyj | bknudson: Indeed. | 16:30 |
| * dhellmann is headed to dublin, so doesn't expect "warm" to be part of the agenda | 16:30 | |
| dims | jungleboyj: have fun! | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | dims: Thanks! | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | dublin, nice, sounds like fubn | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | ought to be slightly different weather than georgia ;) | 16:31 |
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| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home: actually, it's cool and wet here right now, too :-) | 16:31 |
| bknudson | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craic | 16:31 |
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| harlowja_at_home | nm, then i guess its the same weather, ha | 16:31 |
| bnemec | It's cool and white here today. | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | please do not use crack | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | * refering to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craic | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | dhellmann: Nice! I would like to visit there some time. | 16:32 |
| bknudson | don't tell the border agents you're going for the craic | 16:32 |
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| dhellmann | jungleboyj: we've been looking forward to it | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | bknudson, +2 i second that, lol | 16:32 |
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| amrith | I've been working with neutron, I need a vacation. | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | heh | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | I think that probably covers it for this week, so let's call the meeting done and spend a few minutes on spec reviews | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | thanks, everyone! | 16:33 |
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| jungleboyj | dhellmann: Thanks. Have a great vacation! | 16:34 |
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| dhellmann | jungleboyj: you, too! | 16:34 |
| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 16:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ": ML2 Sync and error handling (Task Flow) - revisited (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 16:34 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 23 16:34:46 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-03-23-16.00.html | 16:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-03-23-16.00.txt | 16:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-03-23-16.00.log.html | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 16:34 |
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| e0ne | thanks! see you next week | 16:35 |
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| reed | anybody here for the Community Software Services meeting? | 17:00 |
| mrmartin | o/ | 17:00 |
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| reed | #startmeeting community | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 23 17:01:43 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is reed. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: community)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'community' | 17:01 |
| dizquierdo | here | 17:02 |
| mrmartin | hi | 17:02 |
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| reed | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Community/MeetingAgenda#Agenda_for_March_23.2C_2015 | 17:02 |
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| mrmartin | sorry for the last week's meeting, I was on a plane, and forget to tell | 17:02 |
| reed | #topic Infratization of Activity Board | 17:02 |
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| reed | no problem mrmartin, we moved forward via mailing list and in person anyway :) | 17:02 |
| mrmartin | yeah, was awesome | 17:03 |
| reed | dizquierdo, what's the status of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/activity-infratization-spec? | 17:03 |
| mrmartin | let's see the activity spec | 17:03 |
| dizquierdo | mrmartin, reed I finished a version of the architecture file at https://raw.githubusercontent.com/MetricsGrimoire/puppet-metricsgrimoire/master/architecture.rst | 17:03 |
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| mrmartin | ok, nice, can you move it to the spec file? | 17:04 |
| mrmartin | or just add a reference link there. | 17:04 |
| dizquierdo | ok, if that's good enough, I'll do it | 17:04 |
| reed | dizquierdo, does ircanalysis store data in mysql? | 17:04 |
| reed | and mlstats, too | 17:04 |
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| dizquierdo | reed, yes it does | 17:04 |
| reed | right? | 17:04 |
| dizquierdo | all of the tools indeed | 17:04 |
| reed | ok, in the architecture rst file some tools explicitly say "This is later stored in a MySQL database." | 17:05 |
| reed | and mlstats, ircanalysis don't state that | 17:05 |
| dizquierdo | ok, I'll update that | 17:05 |
| reed | it's a minor bug :) | 17:05 |
| dizquierdo | all of the tools have as output a mysql database | 17:05 |
| reed | because the schema later is explicit | 17:05 |
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| reed | ok | 17:06 |
| reed | that file is a bit hard to read but it's good enough | 17:06 |
| reed | i'll try to make an image | 17:06 |
| dizquierdo | sorry about that, I can try to improve the reading | 17:06 |
| reed | now, the specification | 17:06 |
| reed | dizquierdo, don't worry, the image is the only thing that will make it clearer | 17:07 |
| reed | :) | 17:07 |
| dizquierdo | ah ok | 17:07 |
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| dizquierdo | I started to produce that, but well u_u | 17:07 |
| reed | so, is the draft spec ready to be proposed? | 17:07 |
| dizquierdo | I'd say so | 17:07 |
| mrmartin | so we can move a short one-two lines of description to the components | 17:08 |
| mrmartin | I guess this spec is around 10% ready, the infra would kill us if try to commit that in this form | 17:08 |
| reed | :) | 17:08 |
| dizquierdo | oops, ok :) | 17:08 |
| mrmartin | so if the architecture part is ready, need to move forward on, what puppet components we need, what is the proper way of migration | 17:09 |
| mrmartin | like we did with askbot | 17:09 |
| mrmartin | how to backup / restore databases, etc. | 17:09 |
| reed | we don't need any of that, I thin | 17:09 |
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| reed | we can start from scratch | 17:10 |
| reed | actually, we have to start from scratch | 17:10 |
| dizquierdo | we should take care with all of the work regarding affiliation matching | 17:10 |
| mrmartin | but we don't need to move-in the existing data? | 17:10 |
| reed | so, problem description: is that enough? | 17:10 |
| reed | mrmartin, no, we can recreate all of that | 17:10 |
| mrmartin | or the plugin collects that froms scratch? | 17:10 |
| mrmartin | ok | 17:10 |
| mrmartin | I got it | 17:10 |
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| mrmartin | $ | 17:11 |
| mrmartin | sry | 17:11 |
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| mrmartin | #info move architecture reference to spec | 17:12 |
| reed | #action reed to prepare a visual diagram based on dizquierdo's rst file | 17:12 |
| reed | is Problem description clear enough? | 17:12 |
| dizquierdo | oh, with this respect | 17:13 |
| reed | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/activity-infratization-spec ? | 17:13 |
| dizquierdo | mrmartin, did you have the cance to have a look at the vagrant machine? | 17:13 |
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| dizquierdo | https://github.com/VizGrimoire/VizGrimoireUtils/tree/master/vagrant | 17:13 |
| reed | #link https://raw.githubusercontent.com/MetricsGrimoire/puppet-metricsgrimoire/master/architecture.rst | 17:13 |
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| dizquierdo | just to make sure that you understand how that works | 17:13 |
| mrmartin | dizquierdo, not yet, but I'll | 17:13 |
| dizquierdo | ah ok ok | 17:13 |
| dizquierdo | let me know if you have any issue with this | 17:13 |
| reed | dizquierdo, wait, let's make sure we make progress on the spec first | 17:13 |
| dizquierdo | ok | 17:13 |
| dizquierdo | sorry | 17:14 |
| mrmartin | ok, so this vagrant sets up everything using shell scripts? | 17:14 |
| mrmartin | nice work! | 17:14 |
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| dizquierdo | yes, that should work in that way :) | 17:14 |
| mrmartin | looks promising, and definitely can help in puppetization | 17:15 |
| dizquierdo | perfect | 17:15 |
| dizquierdo | you need to update some config files, but that should be all | 17:15 |
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| mrmartin | great, I'll allocate some time tomorrow to test it | 17:15 |
| dizquierdo | I'll be around just in case you need some help | 17:16 |
| reed | ok, I assume that Problem description is good enough. Let's move on the spec draft :) | 17:16 |
| reed | check the Proposed change: | 17:16 |
| reed | dizquierdo, is anything missing from the list of tools? | 17:16 |
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| dizquierdo | reed, I don't think so, we're nowadays migrating OpenStack to SortingHat, a new tool to manage identities, but that's all | 17:17 |
| reed | so let's add SortingHat | 17:17 |
| dizquierdo | this is the unique identitites database | 17:17 |
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| dizquierdo | ok | 17:17 |
| dizquierdo | I'll add that to the rst file | 17:17 |
| reed | oh, wait... | 17:17 |
| reed | right, it'll be needed there too | 17:18 |
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| reed | so this part of the draft spec requires more work | 17:18 |
| reed | the template says: Here is where you cover the change you propose to make in detail. How do you propose to solve this problem? | 17:18 |
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| reed | for example, we need to write here that we need mysql databases | 17:19 |
| dizquierdo | mmm having a look at the spec file | 17:19 |
| reed | the puppet scripts for the various tools is one step, then we need databases (are they on the same machine? would a trove instance be enough?) | 17:20 |
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| reed | are they all different databases? etc | 17:20 |
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| mrmartin | yeap, I suggest to enlist all databases we required, if need more | 17:21 |
| dizquierdo | in the case of grimoire, they are all different databases, but it's enough to have all of them in the same machine | 17:21 |
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| mrmartin | ok, if we are going to use trove, we need to pass of required db-s to infra because they need to create it | 17:21 |
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| reed | and as for scope, I would limit this spec to the collecction of data only | 17:22 |
| reed | I'd avoid going into the data analysis yet | 17:22 |
| dizquierdo | I agree with you | 17:22 |
| mrmartin | ok let's move on to Mailing Lists Stats puppet recipes | 17:23 |
| reed | #action reed to describe the phased approach, first the data collection and then the data analysis | 17:23 |
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| reed | mrmartin, I would suggest to do that offline, unless you already have questions | 17:24 |
| mrmartin | ok, I just like to notice here, that I did a quick review, and it requires refactoring to match the patterns and modules structure of other openstack puppet modules. | 17:25 |
| dizquierdo | ok, we should probably work on creating them more similar to openstack's | 17:26 |
| dizquierdo | mrmartin, a link to some documentation would be good, or some examples at least :) | 17:26 |
| mrmartin | dizquierdo: all of the puppet- repositories at github.com/openstack-infra/ | 17:26 |
| dizquierdo | great, thanks! | 17:27 |
| mrmartin | dizquierdo: I can help with that refactoring, because some basic fundamentals is missing here | 17:27 |
| dizquierdo | that would be appreciated | 17:27 |
| mrmartin | like file resource handling, dependencies, etc. | 17:27 |
| reed | #action dizquierdo to look at other openstack-infra/puppet-* modules and refactor mlstats puppet | 17:27 |
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| reed | ok,we can postpone this task until we have the spec done | 17:27 |
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| mrmartin | it's not a problem, that's a normal learning path required for puppet. the basic thing that puppet is handling states instead of processes | 17:28 |
| reed | #info postpone working on the puppet scripts until the spec is done | 17:28 |
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| reed | we have a long way to go before... so let's move to the next topic | 17:28 |
| reed | dizquierdo, what are the issues that you see in database upgrades and stuff? | 17:28 |
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| dizquierdo | reed, basically issues related to updates of the database schema | 17:29 |
| reed | those concerns are useful to clarify the spec | 17:29 |
| dizquierdo | and addition or removals of repositories | 17:29 |
| reed | how do you do them now? sql scripts and configuration changes, right? | 17:29 |
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| dizquierdo | updates of projects to get integrated, incubated, etc | 17:29 |
| dizquierdo | that's it reed | 17:29 |
| dizquierdo | sql basically | 17:29 |
| dizquierdo | if it's possible to apply sql scripts | 17:30 |
| dizquierdo | that would be a solution for us | 17:30 |
| mrmartin | you could check how Drupal or Laravel solving those problems | 17:30 |
| reed | those can be managed by the puppet recipes | 17:30 |
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| mrmartin | usually there is a tool that can apply the change | 17:30 |
| reed | like bash is such a tool, right? :) | 17:30 |
| dizquierdo | :) | 17:30 |
| mrmartin | or this tool for python's sqlalchemy: https://alembic.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ | 17:31 |
| mrmartin | the trick here, that those tools storing the schema version somewhere, so it is easy to do schema updates / downgrades | 17:31 |
| mrmartin | so if you like to revert a schema due a failed upgrade, than you can do it easily | 17:32 |
| dizquierdo | that sounds good for sure | 17:32 |
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| mrmartin | requires a bit more preparation from application side, but you win a lot at operation side. | 17:32 |
| reed | so dizquierdo this goes back into how cvsanaly is designed and treats upgrades in general | 17:32 |
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| reed | IIRC it has sql scripts to create the db and upgrades, and python setup takes care of running thos | 17:33 |
| reed | e | 17:33 |
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| dizquierdo | let's say that cvsanaly does not care about updates | 17:33 |
| dizquierdo | if there's a new database schema, cvsanaly will start populating the database with such new schema | 17:33 |
| dizquierdo | internal upgrades are typically done through sql scripts | 17:34 |
| reed | using mysql client? | 17:34 |
| dizquierdo | yes | 17:34 |
| reed | ok, so we'll need to add to the spec how those need to be managed | 17:35 |
| mrmartin | with other projects we used to package those updates next to the app, so the update tool automatically can pick up the new schemas and apply | 17:35 |
| reed | either by developing a tool, a bash script or something | 17:36 |
| mrmartin | exactly | 17:36 |
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| dizquierdo | sounds good, yep | 17:36 |
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| reed | #action dizquierdo to add to the spec the description of database management | 17:36 |
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| reed | I added a NOTE to the spec draft | 17:37 |
| reed | next topic? | 17:37 |
| dizquierdo | seems to be the activity board issues in github | 17:37 |
| dizquierdo | btw, no advances with this respect | 17:37 |
| dizquierdo | we have planned them for this week | 17:37 |
| reed | #topic review pending issues | 17:37 |
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| reed | dizquierdo, ok | 17:38 |
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| reed | #info no progress on github issues about grimoire set, reconvene next week | 17:38 |
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| mrmartin | ok, then let's go on with askbot | 17:39 |
| reed | #topic askbot infratization | 17:39 |
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| mrmartin | I've added the missing cron jobs: https://review.openstack.org/166882 | 17:39 |
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| mrmartin | they are not doing too much, and seems to be that the Chinese issue is a separated one | 17:39 |
| reed | #info reed tested the new system, found it lacking Chinese search indexes | 17:40 |
| reed | #info mrmartin added the missing cron jobs: https://review.openstack.org/166882 | 17:40 |
| mrmartin | so I'm looking it, and will work with fungi to find the root of the issue | 17:40 |
| reed | #info the issue with Chinese language search is still being investigated | 17:40 |
| reed | #action mrmartin to keep investigating the root cause of missing Chinese language search | 17:40 |
| mrmartin | actually I'm testing that in Vagrant, as I remember it was working before, but needs a little time to review solr, askbot integration | 17:40 |
| reed | ok, so we're blocked until this is solved | 17:41 |
| mrmartin | anyway, if it is done, we can move forward with testing | 17:41 |
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| reed | #info the migration is on hold until the integration solr/askbot is cleared and Chinese search works | 17:41 |
| reed | so we can skip the following next steps in the migration, we have no date to announce downtime | 17:42 |
| reed | mrmartin, please make askbot your priority this week | 17:42 |
| mrmartin | ok, I'm sure we can solve it in this week, there was some magic around the chinese solr analyzers | 17:42 |
| reed | cool | 17:42 |
| reed | I know we're close :) | 17:43 |
| reed | so next topic? | 17:43 |
| mrmartin | groups | 17:43 |
| reed | #topic User Groups portal: review of pending issues | 17:43 |
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| reed | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project_group/58 | 17:43 |
| mrmartin | ok, I'm was working with the meetup.com event data exchange issue | 17:44 |
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| mrmartin | it is working on dev, except I found an issue with event location format, and there is a new patch for that: https://review.openstack.org/166917 | 17:44 |
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| mrmartin | the root of the problem, that we don't know the exact format how to meetup.com is passing the location, and I already meet with at least 4-5 different internal format | 17:45 |
| reed | #info mrmartin working to add location details to events imported from meetup.com | 17:45 |
| reed | ouch | 17:45 |
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| mrmartin | this is the test for different formats: https://github.com/openstack-infra/groups/blob/master/modules/groups/groups_feeds/groups_feeds.test | 17:46 |
| reed | is there a way to simply get the city and the state? | 17:46 |
| mrmartin | so the event list looks better now on dev: https://groups-dev.openstack.org/ | 17:46 |
| mrmartin | I need to talk with Jimmy what they are using finally, the xml or the html for parsign | 17:47 |
| mrmartin | parsing | 17:47 |
| mrmartin | because the RSS feed not exports the location by default, but I checked what we have there, and Commons provides an iCal exporter too | 17:47 |
| reed | we may want to export the ical for individual groups | 17:48 |
| reed | but we can discuss this on the mailing list | 17:48 |
| mrmartin | that's a good question, because we have ical's actually for groups who are using meetup.com | 17:49 |
| reed | mrmartin, I find it surprising that meetup.com API don't give you simply the city and the state/nation of the event | 17:49 |
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| mrmartin | I think it was agile | 17:49 |
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| reed | what is agile? | 17:50 |
| mrmartin | meetup.com development :D | 17:50 |
| mrmartin | check this: http://paste.openstack.org/show/195485/ | 17:50 |
| reed | ah | 17:50 |
| mrmartin | so they are providing a different format for US events | 17:50 |
| mrmartin | and a different one for other countries | 17:50 |
| mrmartin | and event for US events they have at least 3 different representation | 17:50 |
| reed | crap | 17:51 |
| mrmartin | including ADDRESS, CITY, STATE | 17:51 |
| reed | let's have a look, probably it's not worth pursuing this | 17:51 |
| mrmartin | or ADDRESS, CITY, STATE POCODE | 17:51 |
| reed | wait a second... maybe we can solve this issue in a much simpler way | 17:51 |
| mrmartin | ok, I guess the parser is quite nice I wrote, so it is handling that well, just need to watch for missing addresses it cannot parse well, I found only one. | 17:52 |
| reed | the problem we're trying to solve is that on http://openstack.org/community/events there is no information about the 'place' of the event | 17:52 |
| reed | if the place is the name of the user group, that may be enough | 17:52 |
| mrmartin | exactly, and we had the field that for the Commons by default, but the meetup.com importer was not imported that value well | 17:52 |
| mrmartin | ok, this location parser is ready now, I need to accept the patch waiting in the queue, and do a release | 17:53 |
| reed | well... if the parser is almost done then let's try it | 17:53 |
| reed | ok | 17:53 |
| mrmartin | don't throw that out, I spent last week with polishing that :) | 17:54 |
| reed | #info this location parser is ready and only waiting for a release | 17:54 |
| reed | if I knew how hard this was, I would have stopped you :) | 17:54 |
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| mrmartin | it was exciting, not hard :D | 17:54 |
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| mrmartin | anyway | 17:54 |
| reed | exactly, I would have taken the toy off your plate :) | 17:55 |
| mrmartin | it is ready, so I can roll it out, and move forward with other open things | 17:55 |
| reed | ok | 17:55 |
| mrmartin | we have a priority here anyway | 17:55 |
| reed | #action mrmartin to merge the new parser for location and release new groups portal | 17:55 |
| mrmartin | https://www.drupal.org/node/2455135 | 17:55 |
| mrmartin | this one, is a major security upgrade for Commons modules | 17:56 |
| reed | #info let's watch the exported events feed for broken locations | 17:56 |
| mrmartin | so I need to backport this or upgrade all commons modules to this new version, which is a major jump | 17:56 |
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| reed | #info major security upgrade required for Commons modules, mrmartin to investigate whether backport it or upgrade all modules | 17:57 |
| reed | what's the cost of upgrading? | 17:57 |
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| mrmartin | we had some patches that fixed bugs of Commons, I need to check whether those were applied in the newer release | 17:58 |
| mrmartin | or need to refactor them to match the new modules | 17:58 |
| mrmartin | we have 4-5 patches for commons | 17:58 |
| reed | no more patches :) | 17:58 |
| mrmartin | it is a good opportunity to contrib back if we have some leftovers | 17:59 |
| reed | indeed | 17:59 |
| mrmartin | yeap, commons is patch the core drupal too | 17:59 |
| mrmartin | but it is trackable well with the drush make file | 17:59 |
| mrmartin | so not a huge deal | 17:59 |
| reed | can you work on this security fix *and* on askbot too? | 17:59 |
| mrmartin | yes | 17:59 |
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| reed | can they go in parallel or do you need to set one priority higher? | 18:00 |
| mrmartin | so if the security fix is a not huge deal, I can release it together with the event location patch | 18:00 |
| mrmartin | so I can save some release time here | 18:00 |
| * reed writes in English sometimes in uber-convoluted ways :) | 18:00 | |
| reed | what I mean is to understand whether the security issues need to go higher in priority than the askbot | 18:01 |
| mrmartin | we need a more prior priority | 18:01 |
| mrmartin | I hope both of them can roll-out tomorrow | 18:01 |
| reed | both which ones? | 18:01 |
| mrmartin | the askbot and the sec fix | 18:01 |
| mrmartin | but I guess is sec fix is very important | 18:01 |
| reed | do the sec fix first | 18:02 |
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| reed | #info reshuffle priorities: apply drupal security fix first and then investigate the askbot solr integration issue | 18:02 |
| reed | ok, we need to close the meeting | 18:02 |
| mrmartin | we are ready anyway | 18:02 |
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| reed | yep, indeed | 18:02 |
| reed | #endmeeting | 18:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 23 18:03:09 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/community/2015/community.2015-03-23-17.01.html | 18:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/community/2015/community.2015-03-23-17.01.txt | 18:03 |
| reed | thanks everyone | 18:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/community/2015/community.2015-03-23-17.01.log.html | 18:03 |
| dizquierdo | thanks! | 18:03 |
| reed | thank you dizquierdo, mrmartin | 18:03 |
| mrmartin | thank you guys! | 18:03 |
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| catherineD | Rockyg: Hello | 19:00 |
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| Rockyg | o/ | 19:02 |
| vladiskuz_ | 0/ | 19:02 |
| zehicle | o/ | 19:02 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 19:02 |
| catherineD | o/ | 19:02 |
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| catherineD | I guess I will star t the meeting ... | 19:02 |
| catherineD | #startmeeting refstack | 19:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 23 19:03:00 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is catherineD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:03 |
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| pvaneck | o/ | 19:03 |
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| sslypushenko_ | o/ | 19:03 |
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| catherineD | Today's agenda: 1) recap items agreed last week from f2f, 2) continue discuss the remaining items of the Feb f2f action list. | 19:04 |
| catherineD | (including OpenID integration item 1.0.1) https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack_f2f_feb_2015 3) pending reviews | 19:04 |
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| catherineD | any other topics? | 19:05 |
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| sslypushenko_ | Lets start with these topics | 19:05 |
| catherineD | Last week we agreed on the following: | 19:05 |
| catherineD | #agreed Using [refstack] tag for mailing list | 19:05 |
| zehicle | I can give a DefCore update since we are moving docs out of refstack | 19:06 |
| Rockyg | ++ | 19:06 |
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| catherineD | #agreed For the "uuid issue and refstrack test results json schema" topic, we agree to operate business-as-usual until we get a new results JSON schema from DefCore | 19:06 |
| catherineD | zehicle: ++ | 19:06 |
| catherineD | #agreed Delay vendor implementation (vendor registration, vendor related UI) until after Vancouver (section 1.0.3 of f2f) | 19:06 |
| catherineD | #agreed Only need page 1 and 4, skip page 2 and 3 of the mockup for Vancouver https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxvL0emVRKoUVW13TW5BWXg0MXM/view?usp=sharing | 19:07 |
| zehicle | I'd be interested in hearing more from hogepodge about UUID thoughts | 19:07 |
| catherineD | that is all ... | 19:07 |
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| Rockyg | do we have mockups for 1&4? | 19:08 |
| catherineD | For UUID I opened this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1433700 | 19:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1433700 in tempest "Multiple test cases associated with same test UUID" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Sergey Slipushenko (sslypushenko) | 19:09 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko_: is woking on the review ... | 19:09 |
| sslypushenko_ | catherineD Great thx for that) | 19:09 |
| catherineD | Rockyg: same mock up link | 19:10 |
| catherineD | #link https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxvL0emVRKoUVW13TW5BWXg0MXM/view?usp=sharing | 19:10 |
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| catherineD | hogepodge: your thoughts on UUID .. | 19:11 |
| Rockyg | catherineD: thanks | 19:11 |
| hogepodge | #link longer thoughts here http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/defcore-committee/2015-March/000660.html | 19:12 |
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| hogepodge | Based on conversations with the openstack-qa team and some others, I think we can work with the idempotent_id and test names to identify functionality testing (the idempotent_id) and the test (the test name) | 19:13 |
| hogepodge | sslypushenko_ has a patch in place to generate unique ids for every function, but I'm not sure qa is going to bite on it. | 19:13 |
| hogepodge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/165921/ | 19:14 |
| sslypushenko_ | hogepodge Please specify what do you mean on test name? | 19:14 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: by test name you means FQN? | 19:14 |
| hogepodge | fully qualified test name | 19:14 |
| sslypushenko_ | full path? or TestCaseName.test_method_name? | 19:14 |
| hogepodge | We accomplish the goal of tracking functionality through refactoring with idempoent_id as they stand. | 19:14 |
| hogepodge | full path | 19:15 |
| hogepodge | which is what we're using right now | 19:15 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: using FQN we need to fix to a certain tag or hash ... | 19:15 |
| catherineD | and that is what we try to fix with UUID .. | 19:15 |
| hogepodge | i.e. tempest.api.compute.images.test_list_image_filters.ListImageFiltersTestJSON.test_list_images_filter_by_server_id | 19:15 |
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| hogepodge | catherineD: I think that's ok from a defcore standpoint, which is going to be on 6 month cycles. | 19:16 |
| hogepodge | Two questions are: can we work with the current state? Will openstack-qa allow us to modify the current state? | 19:16 |
| Rockyg | Actually, no need for UUID if you have hash and FQN | 19:16 |
| sslypushenko_ | FQN + idempotent_id sounds really strange... | 19:16 |
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| catherineD | Rockyg: correct That is our business-as-usual | 19:17 |
| hogepodge | Rockyg: it's still useful for tracking refactoring | 19:17 |
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| zehicle | I recall that we had an issue when people refactored tests and it was very hard to update the lists | 19:18 |
| hogepodge | My feeling from the qa team is that they're happy with the way things are now, so change would be hard (but not impossible) | 19:18 |
| zehicle | QA team use case if different than ours | 19:18 |
| Rockyg | Yeah. But it becomes part of the defcore process and can be ignore in the testing process itself | 19:19 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: so we are not sovling what we set out with UUID... but I agree that it might help tracking ... | 19:19 |
| hogepodge | zehicle: idempotent_id means you can track where a group of tests went. hash search vs linear search | 19:19 |
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| hogepodge | I think there's a strong case to be made that even changing the name of a test makes it a different test. It's a pedantic argument though. | 19:20 |
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| zehicle | and when the tests move to the projects, there will be MUCH pain | 19:20 |
| Rockyg | but at least with UUID, you can *find* where the test moved to. | 19:20 |
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| Rockyg | zehicle: that's why getting the uuids in before the moves start has been so important. | 19:21 |
| hogepodge | Rockyg it's not that simple, really, because how do you do it? id on parent class and method? Two things to keep track of. generate from id on parent and method, then you can't search the code directly | 19:21 |
| zehicle | test names are human friendly - we just have a habit of wanting them to retain meaning | 19:21 |
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| zehicle | so, people want to tweak them | 19:21 |
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| zehicle | ultimately, we'll have to maintain a master test inventory file | 19:22 |
| hogepodge | Does tweaking change the meaning? I've been changing a test name in a working tree because I keep finding that without admin I can't to certain things. | 19:22 |
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| zehicle | tweaking may or may not change the meaning BUT it does make it a new ID | 19:23 |
| hogepodge | right now the fallout is we track back to an idempotent_id and you may have to choose from a small subset of tests. i.e. ipv4 vs ipv6 | 19:23 |
| zehicle | so that will create work for RefStack & DefCore (at least for the tests that we are tracking) | 19:23 |
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| sslypushenko_ | zehicle Test inventory file can easily solve problem with readibility | 19:23 |
| zehicle | sslypushenko_, yes, I' | 19:23 |
| zehicle | ve been expecting that to be needed - there's a patch for it | 19:23 |
| hogepodge | the work is so greatly reduced with what we have. It's not a total failure, we already get a lot. | 19:23 |
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| catherineD | so where do we stand here ... last week we agreed that o operate business-as-usual until we get a new results JSON schema from DefCore | 19:24 |
| hogepodge | My suggestion for fixing this would be to tag classes also. Then the tuple capture all of the information about the class and the function, and is searchable directly in source. | 19:24 |
| sslypushenko_ | I guess better what we can do - It is to find a usecase where current implementation is not enough. | 19:25 |
| sslypushenko_ | I may help as to force idea about improvement in qa team | 19:26 |
| Rockyg | sslypushenko_ ++ ;-) | 19:26 |
| hogepodge | Let's say that in 2015.3 and 2015.[45] we work with what we have and plan for 2015.9 when there's time available. | 19:27 |
| hogepodge | (that's just my suggestion) | 19:27 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: ++ | 19:27 |
| Rockyg | So, if the class can change without the test being rev'ed then we aren't tracking the tests properly | 19:27 |
| zehicle | it could be that we have to wait to resolve until f2f at the summit | 19:28 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: what does work with what we have? | 19:28 |
| hogepodge | That's not too far away. I want to restate that what we have is really good, and I think is going to make life easier for everyone as revs start up. | 19:28 |
| Rockyg | hogpodge: ok | 19:29 |
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| Rockyg | zehicle: at the summit, we have to have concrete examples to get our points across | 19:29 |
| hogepodge | I also understand the shortcoming, and that it's not what we originally wanted. That was in part due to my lack of complete understanding on how tempest works. | 19:29 |
| zehicle | ok, so we use test names for that | 19:30 |
| hogepodge | I think that test names will always have to be part of the capabilities list anyway. There has to be a human readable component. | 19:30 |
| hogepodge | You'll always be able to find where a test went to if it moves from what we have, and we didn't have that before. | 19:31 |
| zehicle | hogepodge, yes. I was assuming that inventory file would be the item that handled that | 19:31 |
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| hogepodge | zehicle: it may be a thing to talk about in the defcore meeting. My feeling is that not having a human readable component in the capabilities.json file would be a crippling mistake | 19:32 |
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| zehicle | hogepodge, I agree | 19:32 |
| zehicle | that's why I was against the long UUIDs | 19:33 |
| hogepodge | zehicle: I don't see any conflict between storing tests as tuples. Or using the fully expanded test names (that include tags and ids now) | 19:33 |
| catherineD | so from refstack point of view we are still agree as we did last week ...we agree to operate business-as-usual until DefCore decide on schema for test ... | 19:34 |
| zehicle | hogepodge, in an inventory file, yes | 19:34 |
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| zehicle | IMHO it's risky to make the capabilites file too complex | 19:34 |
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| zehicle | you run the risk of someone missing something and it breaking the file | 19:34 |
| zehicle | maybe that's over blown and I'm just a DB admin at heart | 19:35 |
| zehicle | and want to normalize everything | 19:35 |
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| hogepodge | zehicle: I trust your experience. | 19:36 |
| hogepodge | zehicle: Maybe I need to make another trip to Austin next month and we can chat about these files f2f. ;-) | 19:36 |
| zehicle | always happy to have you in town! | 19:36 |
| Rockyg | Jeez, if you were going to do it, you should have done it during SXSW | 19:37 |
| zehicle | lol, except I was not here | 19:37 |
| catherineD | Time to move to the next topic? | 19:38 |
| Rockyg | ++ | 19:38 |
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| catherineD | #topic 2) continue discuss the remaining items of the Feb f2f action list. (including OpenID integration item 1.0.1) | 19:39 |
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| catherineD | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack_f2f_feb_2015 | 19:39 |
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| catherineD | section 1.0.1 sslypushenko_: was doing some investigation | 19:40 |
| sslypushenko_ | Yep... I have disscussion with Vlad and Chris | 19:40 |
| catherineD | section 1.0.1 in the "action items for vancouver" at the bottom of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack_f2f_feb_2015 | 19:41 |
| sslypushenko_ | Final decisions is that in term of auth we should follow common way, which used in openstac gerrit for example | 19:41 |
| sslypushenko_ | Vlad already have started development | 19:42 |
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| sslypushenko_ | I will post in refstack channel link on workflow diagram | 19:42 |
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| catherineD | sslypushenko_: thx | 19:43 |
| sslypushenko_ | I hope it will make things clear | 19:43 |
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| vladiskuz_ | catherineD: It's first step https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166247/ | 19:43 |
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| sslypushenko_ | In short, We are going to use OpenstackId for web UI auth and RSA key pairs for CLI tool | 19:44 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko_: vladiskuz_: thx .. Let's move to section 3.2.1.1 | 19:45 |
| sslypushenko_ | Like gerrit or github | 19:45 |
| catherineD | we need additional API to support page 4 of the mockup | 19:45 |
| catherineD | I have submited a review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166357/ | 19:45 |
| catherineD | could you all review ...? | 19:46 |
| catherineD | we really need this API ... | 19:46 |
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| sslypushenko_ | Sure thing) | 19:46 |
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| sslypushenko_ | Vlad already pushed on revied basic version of retrival API | 19:47 |
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| sslypushenko_ | It is possible to add some filters to it | 19:47 |
| catherineD | currently, after user collects the test results from refstack-client ... they want to look at the results ... and it is very cumbersome now ... | 19:47 |
| catherineD | that is the paint that jlk experiences.... | 19:48 |
| sslypushenko_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166247/ | 19:48 |
| sslypushenko_ | It is our first step on that way | 19:49 |
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| catherineD | sslypushenko_: I need to discuss with vladiskuz_: in detail between https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166247/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166357/ in #refstack after this meeting .. | 19:50 |
| vladiskuz_ | catherineD: np ;) | 19:50 |
| catherineD | that is all the topic I have today ... | 19:50 |
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| catherineD | zehicle: could you give defcore update? | 19:51 |
| zehicle | yy | 19:51 |
| zehicle | DefCore's been moving REALLY fast latest | 19:51 |
| zehicle | we've got the 2015.03 spec landed with the template for the 2015.next in also | 19:52 |
| zehicle | process draft should hit soon too | 19:52 |
| zehicle | that means we're on track for the summit | 19:52 |
| zehicle | all of that in the openstack/defcore repo. so we'll start to pull down the refstack/defcore folder | 19:52 |
| zehicle | it should be gone by the summit | 19:52 |
| hogepodge | in my mind the biggest road block is fixing tests that rely on neutron. Going to nyc next week to try and tie a ribbon on that. | 19:53 |
| zehicle | the 2015.03.json file replaces the capabilities/sections files that we used in the past | 19:53 |
| zehicle | format is very similar | 19:53 |
| zehicle | hogepodge, any idea on that keystone test? | 19:53 |
| catherineD | zehicle: will refstack be used to present results to users? | 19:53 |
| zehicle | so we can include the capability | 19:53 |
| hogepodge | zehicle: in progress | 19:54 |
| zehicle | it's not in the requirements | 19:54 |
| * morganfainberg feels a disturbance in Freenode... | 19:54 | |
| zehicle | but that is my expectation | 19:54 |
| hogepodge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166327/ | 19:54 |
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| hogepodge | v2 is done, working on v3 | 19:54 |
| catherineD | what we found that with the capability file in defcore .. how can refstack ensure that refstack will always use the latest capability file? | 19:54 |
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| zehicle | the process is being written to not create a lot of implementation specifics unless we need to make it so | 19:55 |
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| hogepodge | catherineD: refstack is going to need versioned codecs I think, at least for this year | 19:55 |
| catherineD | do we need to fetch the capabilityf file each time refstack render result .. | 19:55 |
| zehicle | good question, would it help if we added an "active guidelines" file w/ the right pointers? | 19:56 |
| zehicle | a simple JSON list w/ all the specs and their status | 19:56 |
| zehicle | ? | 19:56 |
| zehicle | they are designed to sort nicely | 19:56 |
| catherineD | I am concern more on the rabpid changing in defcore capability and refstack may miss it ... | 19:56 |
| zehicle | so you could also just grab the alpha list max | 19:57 |
| zehicle | defcore and "rapid change" should not go together | 19:57 |
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| catherineD | I will log this for our next week discussion ..since we are about out of time now | 19:58 |
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| catherineD | sslypushenko_: vladiskuz_: Let's discuss the reviews in #refstack ... | 19:59 |
| vladiskuz_ | catherineD: Let's go | 19:59 |
| catherineD | need to end meeting now ... thank you all! | 19:59 |
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| catherineD | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ": ML2 Sync and error handling (Task Flow) - revisited (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 19:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 23 19:59:42 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-03-23-19.03.html | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-03-23-19.03.txt | 19:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-03-23-19.03.log.html | 19:59 |
| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 19:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 23 19:59:54 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 19:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 19:59 |
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| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| kfarr | o/ | 20:00 |
| jvrbanac | _o/ | 20:00 |
| rellerreller | o/ | 20:00 |
| dave-mccowan | o/ | 20:00 |
| igueths | o/ | 20:00 |
| elmiko | o/ | 20:00 |
| tkelsey | o/ | 20:00 |
| jaosorior | o/ | 20:00 |
| chellygel | ヽ(￣д￣)ノ | 20:00 |
| redrobot | lots of barbicaneers here today | 20:01 |
| redrobot | #topic Action Items | 20:01 |
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| redrobot | first, we had an update to oslo_log in Castellan by jaosorior | 20:01 |
| elmiko | yay | 20:02 |
| redrobot | which looks like it's already merged | 20:02 |
| arunkant | o/ | 20:02 |
| redrobot | thanks for that jaosorior | 20:02 |
| jaosorior | redrobot: no prob | 20:02 |
| redrobot | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-03-16-20.01.html | 20:02 |
| redrobot | ^^ link for action items, btw | 20:02 |
| redrobot | the second item was that I was going to reach out to tsv about quotas | 20:03 |
| redrobot | buuuuut I totally dropped the ball on that | 20:03 |
| redrobot | in any case | 20:03 |
| redrobot | I did bump the Blueprint to Liberty | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | since we haven't seen tsv in a few weeks. | 20:03 |
| redrobot | #action redrobot to reach out to tsv about quota BP | 20:03 |
| redrobot | I'll definitely reach out to him this week. | 20:04 |
| redrobot | moving on... | 20:04 |
| redrobot | #topic Kilo-3 | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | Kilo-3 was released last week | 20:04 |
| redrobot | #link https://launchpad.net/barbican/+milestone/kilo-3 | 20:04 |
| redrobot | thanks everyone for all the contributions to the project! | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | unfortunately CA stuff isn't quite fully baked, but we'll get it fixed soon | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | the next milestone is going to be Release Candidate 1 | 20:05 |
| redrobot | #link https://launchpad.net/barbican/+milestone/kilo-rc1 | 20:05 |
| redrobot | we're in feature freeze, so no blueprints will be added to the release, only the ones that have FFE status that are already listed there. | 20:06 |
| redrobot | FFE = Feature Freeze Exception | 20:06 |
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| redrobot | any questions about Kilo-3 or RC-1 ? | 20:07 |
| arunkant | For per secret policy change which is in RC1 list, I am waiting for code review comments. I have some comments on part 1. Will be helpful to have some comments on part 2/3/4 | 20:07 |
| redrobot | #info we need more reviews of the blueprints in FFE | 20:08 |
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| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:08 |
| redrobot | #topic ACL User storage, csv vs table | 20:08 |
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| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164334/ | 20:09 |
| arunkant | redrobot, added this as one of comment mentioned to get consensus around this. | 20:09 |
| redrobot | there were a few comments in the review regarding the data structure used to store the users that are added via the per-user ACL | 20:09 |
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| redrobot | I was a bit concerned that we're storing all users that were granted access in a comma separated list | 20:10 |
| redrobot | my concern was mainly at the limit it imposes by storing every user id in a single column. | 20:10 |
| redrobot | by arunkant's calcutaions it would be ~ 1000 user ids | 20:11 |
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| redrobot | the alternative would be to add a separate table to hold secret_id -> user_id mapping, and join on that table when doing the ACL check | 20:11 |
| arunkant | The field type is text field which is similar to mysql CLOB field which can store 64 kilobytes.. | 20:11 |
| redrobot | yeah, the goal is to try to reach consensus on the best approach for the ACL list storage | 20:12 |
| rellerreller | What is the resistance for not using a table? Or is there any? | 20:12 |
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| redrobot | rellerreller there is some concern by arunkant about the performance implication of having to join tables for every secret access. | 20:12 |
| arunkant | Having a separate table requires sql join. And all of the lookups are driven by secret id or container id. This lookup is done as policy enforcement logic so will impact most of barbican requests. | 20:13 |
| rellerreller | Will the user's access control be checked on every request? | 20:14 |
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| rellerreller | What is the cost of SQL join vs split and rebuild strings? | 20:15 |
| redrobot | I would think that we would only check the per-user ACL after failing the typical Project check ? | 20:15 |
| arunkant | Yes..eventually when ACL operation are checked for write, delete operations...Currently its only for read secret and container | 20:15 |
| rellerreller | My vote is for table | 20:16 |
| arunkant | Also there is no benefit of having user ids as separate columns..as there are no queries done specifically. | 20:16 |
| rellerreller | arunkant what do you mean exactly? | 20:17 |
| arunkant | Just to be clear..this will means two tables..one for secret and one for container users. | 20:17 |
| redrobot | I think it could be done with one table that maps ResourceID to UserID ? | 20:17 |
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| arunkant | I meant lookup is always done for secret id or container id and then related acl record is looked. There are no lookup done only by users. | 20:18 |
| rellerreller | Do you mean there is no query that asks does this user have permission to this secret? | 20:19 |
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| arunkant | Its always looked up by secret id first..not directly give me all acls for this users? | 20:20 |
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| arunkant | I means queries are always looked up by secret and container id and then narrowed down to what ACL operation and the users are there for that secret or container | 20:22 |
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| redrobot | I'm not sure I understand what the lookup argument against a separate table is? | 20:23 |
| redrobot | sure we can craft a query that will produce the data we need | 20:24 |
| redrobot | anyone else care to weigh in? | 20:24 |
| rellerreller | I think one of the arguments for the table is that you can do other queries easily, like find out which secrets a user has access to based upon the ACL. | 20:24 |
| redrobot | bueller? | 20:24 |
| jaosorior | I think arunkant's argument against the table-based solution is the performance | 20:25 |
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| rellerreller | I'm not sure that really matters to me. | 20:25 |
| alee | sorry -- got here late -- whats the issue? | 20:25 |
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| jaosorior | rellerreller: depends on the usage for barbican. If we are going to get a ton of requests, and have to do joins every single time, then it might get painful. But I'm not really sure how much it really affects | 20:25 |
| arunkant | Yes..you can but in this case, it may not be that useful as lookup criteria has secret id. Anyway..the downside is performance as it will impact all of barbican operations | 20:26 |
| redrobot | alee for per-user-acl, data storage, csv list of IDs, vs a join table where we map resource to users | 20:26 |
| rellerreller | I'm not convinced that join will have that much impact. If it does then we should examine other areas of DB. | 20:27 |
| alee | redrobot, arunkant and we think a join table will be more performant? | 20:27 |
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| redrobot | alee, rellerreller and I would prefer a table. It does not impose an arbitrary limit to the # of ids (the width of the column), and it can be useful in other operations | 20:28 |
| rellerreller | jcoffman has phd in DB. We can get him online today or tomorrow and ask him. | 20:28 |
| redrobot | alee, arunkant is concerned about the performance implications | 20:28 |
| jvrbanac | +1 about getting a db expert's opinion | 20:28 |
| arunkant | Its and additional call to get users from a separate table instead of reading it from one column within ACL table | 20:28 |
| arunkant | s/and additiona/an additional | 20:29 |
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| jaosorior | rellerreller: +1 | 20:29 |
| redrobot | arunkant yes, this is true, but it would only happen when the user's project fails to grant access | 20:29 |
| redrobot | #action rellerreller to check with jcoffman about per-user-acl performance concern | 20:30 |
| arunkant | No...it will happen as part of getting data ready for policy enforcement..so the needed queries will be done and then passed to policy logic | 20:30 |
| jaosorior | redrobot: I thought the ACL would have presedence over the project | 20:30 |
| alee | redrobot, arunkant - ok I dont really have a preference. when the spec was written, it was written from the point of view of getting something that made sense. I do worry about optimizing before we have any real knowledge that the performance implications | 20:30 |
| alee | and yeah - acl takes precedences over project. | 20:30 |
| rellerreller | I just called him. | 20:30 |
| rellerreller | He will online in a few seconds. | 20:31 |
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| redrobot | jaosorior it does from a functional pov, in the impl, I think we would want to check the project-level access first, since this is the normal workflow for all of openstack, and only if the project-level access fails, then we would query the user-level acl | 20:31 |
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| rellerreller | joel-coffman There is an outstanding question on database. It involves CSV in a column vs having a mapping table. | 20:32 |
| joel-coffman | okay | 20:32 |
| rellerreller | Basically we are mapping secrets to users for access control. Proposal 1) Have a column of CSV (i.e. "user1,user2,user3" | 20:32 |
| joel-coffman | sorry to be joining late | 20:32 |
| alee | redrobot, no - thats done through the policy enforcement. we read any acls if they exist and pass to the policy layer. the policy layer specifies access if project or acl. | 20:32 |
| arunkant | redrobot, data needed for policy enforcement is queried first and then passed to enforcement logic. So queries gathering that are going to execute first | 20:33 |
| rellerreller | Proposal 2) Create a new tables with map from secret ID to user ID | 20:33 |
| alee | redrobot, we're not trying to access policy layer twice. | 20:33 |
| rellerreller | joel-coffman Those are the two options. CSV vs Table. What do you think? | 20:34 |
| joel-coffman | A separate table is definitely the preferred approach from a database consistency and normalization perspective | 20:34 |
| redrobot | alee arunkant I stand corrected. | 20:35 |
| arunkant | There is no query which are just going to query users table...and this will only have two columns (secret id , userid) | 20:35 |
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| redrobot | arunkant but we could either modify the query, or add a new query? | 20:35 |
| arunkant | But it seems like case of too much normalization as it does not have any other data.. | 20:36 |
| redrobot | joel-coffman +1 thanks | 20:36 |
| joel-coffman | CSV would almost certainly entail more implementation effort and introduces the possibility of update anomalies, etc. that databases are designed to prevent | 20:36 |
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| jaosorior | joel-coffman: Do you think it will affect performance in a meaninful manner? | 20:36 |
| joel-coffman | The amount of data shouldn't be an issue... | 20:36 |
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| joel-coffman | A separate table is the typical means of expressing a many-to-many relationship | 20:37 |
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| jaosorior | joel-coffman: alright. +1 for the separate table on my side | 20:37 |
| joel-coffman | jaosorior: can you give me an example query or operation that requires the information | 20:37 |
| arunkant | So here its going to be one-to-many relationship. And we will need separate table for container as well | 20:38 |
| alee | joel-coffman, just to be clear - what we have here is a table of acls -- each entry contains secret_id/container_id, operation and a list of users. | 20:38 |
| alee | we're talking about replacing the list of users with references to another table | 20:39 |
| alee | so I'm guessing the other table will have something like "acl.id" and userid | 20:39 |
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| alee | and we'd do a query to get all the userids associated with an acl. | 20:39 |
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| alee | seems like there are more db queries / db work for an extra table | 20:40 |
| joel-coffman | alee: what will you do with the user ids? | 20:40 |
| redrobot | compare it to an incoming id | 20:40 |
| joel-coffman | will you also need any user information? | 20:40 |
| alee | they are passed to the policy enforcement layer | 20:41 |
| joel-coffman | okay | 20:41 |
| redrobot | so the query could be smarter with a table... | 20:41 |
| alee | no | 20:41 |
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| joel-coffman | so a separate table should be much faster | 20:41 |
| * redrobot is starting to think he needs to revisit all the policy stuff | 20:41 | |
| joel-coffman | index both the ACL id and the user id | 20:41 |
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| arunkant | joel-coffman, No. It will be queried by secret_id and then we get linked users id based on acl.id | 20:42 |
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| joel-coffman | sorry, my mistake | 20:42 |
| alee | arunkant, right - I think he meant that the second table will be linked by acl.id? | 20:43 |
| joel-coffman | index *secret id* and user id | 20:43 |
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| arunkant | joel-coffman, there are no other user attributes. just user ids. | 20:43 |
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| alee | either way - if its going to be much faster to have a separate table - then +1 for me | 20:43 |
| joel-coffman | database can optimize the lookup based on the indexes => zero implementation effort | 20:43 |
| joel-coffman | parsing the CSV for comparison is linear in the number of CSV entries :-( | 20:44 |
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| joel-coffman | plus you also get some other advantages like revoking all ACLs for a particular user | 20:45 |
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| arunkant | Its an additional lookup..so not sure if it can be faster. We just need to think that this is additional query done for barbican requests.. | 20:46 |
| rellerreller | I like that additional feature | 20:46 |
| joel-coffman | which only requires lookups based on the user id index instead of reading every ACL entry | 20:46 |
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| rellerreller | joel-coffman arunkant is talking about using ORM to get the secret object. | 20:47 |
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| rellerreller | We call get secret and that has eager fetch to retrieve all of its properties, including the acl. | 20:47 |
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| arunkant | joel-coffman: yes..that will be benefit if there is use case like that. | 20:48 |
| rellerreller | I think he is talking about that instead of issuing a DB query to say, "Does this user have access to this secret." | 20:48 |
| rellerreller | I think revocation is a plausible use case. I think being notified of a bad user and revoking everything sounds like a good use case. | 20:48 |
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| redrobot | rellerreller +1 I think in the long run a separate table will be much more useful | 20:49 |
| joel-coffman | arunkant: the overhead of a single query shouldn't be significant | 20:50 |
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| joel-coffman | (would be interested to know if that's *not* the case, particularly as the database scales) | 20:50 |
| joel-coffman | redrobot: +1 the risk of a few milliseconds for an additional query is usually well-worth the price given the advantages | 20:51 |
| redrobot | we're running out of time for the day | 20:52 |
| redrobot | but I think most of us are leaning towards having a separate table | 20:52 |
| arunkant | Okay. So if consensus is too have another table I will add that. So there will be 2 new tables. | 20:52 |
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| arunkant | s/too/to | 20:52 |
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| redrobot | #agreed we'll use a separate table to track individual user_ids for per-user-policy | 20:53 |
| redrobot | arunkant I don't think there's a benefit to combining into a single table? Two tables should be fine. | 20:54 |
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| * redrobot debates wether we can answer Castellan questions in 5 minutes | 20:54 | |
| redrobot | #topic Castellan Initial Release | 20:55 |
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| arunkant | redrobot, yes..so one table for container and second one for secret users per operation. | 20:55 |
| redrobot | I have two outstanding patches that I would like to see make it into the initial release | 20:55 |
| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/castellan,n,z | 20:55 |
| redrobot | kfarr | 20:55 |
| kfarr | Thanks redrobot | 20:56 |
| redrobot | to answer your question, the Castellan project has its own Launchpad | 20:56 |
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| redrobot | #link | 20:56 |
| redrobot | #link https://launchpad.net/castellan | 20:56 |
| kfarr | redrobot, what about the bug tracker? https://bugs.launchpad.net/castellan | 20:57 |
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| redrobot | kfarr sorry about that. seems it was not turned on | 20:57 |
| redrobot | kfarr should be there now. | 20:57 |
| kfarr | Oh, that was fast! | 20:57 |
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| redrobot | kfarr trying to squeeze the topic into 5 min ;) | 20:58 |
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| elmiko | is there a doc CR in the making for castellan? | 20:58 |
| redrobot | elmiko not that I'm aware of | 20:58 |
| redrobot | elmiko but keep your radar on, since I'll probably be writing a lot of it for the upcoming integration talk in Vancouver | 20:59 |
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| elmiko | awesome, thanks | 20:59 |
| elmiko | i'm really eager to start using it | 20:59 |
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| redrobot | ok, we're almost out of time. arunkant I'll get to the usage topic next week, or you can ping me in the main channel | 20:59 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ": ML2 Sync and error handling (Task Flow) - revisited (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 20:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 23 20:59:49 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-03-23-19.59.html | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-03-23-19.59.txt | 20:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-03-23-19.59.log.html | 20:59 |
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| elmiko | thanks redrobot ! | 21:00 |
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