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reed | hello folks, anybody here for the community service meeting? | 15:02 |
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dims | #startmeeting oslo | 16:03 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 30 16:03:29 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dims. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:03 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:03 |
stevemar | o/ | 16:03 |
jecarey | o/ | 16:03 |
harlowja_at_home | yo yo | 16:03 |
rpodolyaka1 | o/ | 16:03 |
dims | sorry for the delay | 16:03 |
kgiusti | o/ | 16:03 |
harlowja_at_home | np | 16:03 |
bknudson | 'zup | 16:03 |
harlowja_at_home | sup dawgs | 16:04 |
amotoki | hi | 16:04 |
dims | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo | 16:04 |
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dims | courtesy ping for jd__, dims, bnemec, flaper87, harlowja, viktors, rpodolyaka, zzzeek, sileht, kgiusti, dansmith | 16:04 |
zzzeek | o/ | 16:04 |
dims | courtesy ping for redrobot, jungleboyj, zhiyan, therve, amotoki, GheRivero, bknudson, ihrachyshka, jogo, dougwig, sreshetnyak, amrith | 16:04 |
ihrachyshka | 0/ | 16:04 |
bnemec | o/ | 16:04 |
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redrobot | o/ | 16:04 |
therve | o/ | 16:04 |
dims | #topic Review action items from previous meeting | 16:05 |
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dims | there was one item, oslo.db fix backporting...that's done | 16:05 |
dims | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:05 |
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bknudson | none for keystone | 16:06 |
harlowja_at_home | taskflow got a release in also; i haven't heard anything so i'm assuming its all going ok | 16:06 |
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dims | bknudson: harlowja_at_home: thanks | 16:06 |
harlowja_at_home | np | 16:06 |
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sputnik13 | alo | 16:06 |
dims | #topic Feature freeze | 16:06 |
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dims | any one needs exceptions? | 16:07 |
harlowja_at_home | not me | 16:07 |
dims | i think i saw something about backing out a change in oslo-inc | 16:07 |
sileht | o/ | 16:07 |
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harlowja_at_home | dims, hmmm, whichone? | 16:08 |
harlowja_at_home | ah https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168924/ i guess? | 16:08 |
dims | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168924/ | 16:08 |
dims | anyone wants to chime in on that please take a look Revert "Optimization of waiting subprocesses in ProcessLauncher" | 16:08 |
harlowja_at_home | damn launcher and eventlet, :( | 16:08 |
rpodolyaka1 | indeed :( | 16:08 |
sileht | still the same story... | 16:09 |
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dims | k moving on | 16:09 |
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dims | #topic Ongoing work & Review priorities | 16:09 |
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bknudson | "eventlet goes crazy" he he | 16:10 |
dims | any more backports to stable/kilo from anyone? | 16:10 |
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harlowja_at_home | the big one was the heartbeat stuff right? | 16:10 |
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harlowja_at_home | *the big backport that is | 16:10 |
dims | harlowja_at_home: y, we released that | 16:10 |
sileht | harlowja_at_home, that done | 16:10 |
harlowja_at_home | cools | 16:10 |
bnemec | \o/ | 16:10 |
harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:10 |
dims | sileht: any update on https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.messaging/+bug/1436788 ? | 16:11 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1436788 in oslo.messaging "rabbitmq heartbeat failures don't reset connections" [Undecided,New] | 16:11 |
jd__ | there are patches waiting for stable in tooz that will need a release once merged | 16:11 |
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dims | jd__: ack | 16:11 |
sileht | dims, no news | 16:11 |
jd__ | and I've patches i'd like to see merged and release in oslo.serialization :) | 16:11 |
harlowja_at_home | sileht, it'd be interesting to hear about how u feel the heartbeat stuff went, maybe upstream kombu can be made better; giving some feedback to upstream projects might be useful? | 16:11 |
dims | jd__: the timestamp ones? | 16:11 |
jd__ | dims: that and 2 more IIRC | 16:11 |
flaper87 | o/ | 16:11 |
sileht | harlowja_at_home, I have opened that recently: https://github.com/celery/kombu/issues/463 | 16:12 |
dims | jd__: paste them here please with #link | 16:12 |
harlowja_at_home | sileht, cool | 16:12 |
jd__ | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/oslo.serialization+branch:master+topic:jd/remove-strtime,n,z | 16:12 |
harlowja_at_home | sileht, it'd be a neat blog post once it 'calms down' a little | 16:12 |
dims | zzzeek: any oslo.db things needed? | 16:12 |
zzzeek | dims: not really | 16:12 |
dims | zzzeek: that's good news :) | 16:12 |
zzzeek | dims: my stuff is on hold until evertyhing isnt frozen | 16:12 |
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dims | zzzeek: we have stable/kilo cut already, so we can move things on | 16:13 |
zzzeek | dims: do we want to talk about enginefacde? because that’s the big one | 16:13 |
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dims | zzzeek: hang on, till we open discussion | 16:13 |
harlowja_at_home | zzzeek, that needs to mergeee; been to long :-P | 16:13 |
zzzeek | harlowja_at_home: sure | 16:14 |
harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:14 |
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* zzzeek hasn’t done anything oslo in like a month | 16:14 | |
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dims | got specs anyone? | 16:14 |
dims | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack%2Foslo-specs+is:open,n,z | 16:14 |
harlowja_at_home | hmmm, i'll write some i think; got some idears | 16:14 |
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dims | harlowja_at_home: ++++ | 16:14 |
harlowja_at_home | maybe do that this week | 16:14 |
harlowja_at_home | although i guess my idea is connected to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/151300/ | 16:15 |
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dims | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-oslo-summit-planning | 16:15 |
harlowja_at_home | i'd like to have msgpack be used more; it at least isn't as lossless... | 16:15 |
dims | please flesh out etherpad everyone | 16:15 |
dims | hmm, got link wrong | 16:15 |
harlowja_at_home | ya, seems blank | 16:16 |
bnemec | Try https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-oslo-summit-planning | 16:16 |
dims | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-oslo-summit-planning | 16:16 |
dims | thanks bnemec | 16:16 |
harlowja_at_home | ya, much better | 16:16 |
dims | giving everyone a minute to peek | 16:17 |
harlowja_at_home | when does that session schedule planning start? | 16:17 |
harlowja_at_home | probably soon i guess | 16:17 |
harlowja_at_home | *aka the actual schedule | 16:17 |
dims | harlowja_at_home: don't know yet | 16:17 |
harlowja_at_home | k | 16:17 |
dims | #action : dims to find schedule for session planning | 16:17 |
dims | anyone see things we can add? | 16:17 |
dims | one thing for liaisions, we need to add a bunch at the very bottom of the page | 16:18 |
dims | "Adopt oslo-config-generator and get rid of existing generator.py" | 16:18 |
dims | things to do for next cycle | 16:18 |
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harlowja_at_home | dims, no big hurry on the schedule finding; more of just curious since it always seems sorta arbitrary, lol | 16:19 |
* bknudson is hoping things will generally settle down with oslo work in keystone. | 16:19 | |
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bknudson | not that there's been a lot this release. | 16:19 |
dims | harlowja_at_home: y mostly needed for bargaining upwards on how may slots we need i think | 16:19 |
dims | bknudson: haha :) | 16:19 |
dims | k. moving | 16:19 |
dims | #topic open discussion | 16:19 |
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dims | zzzeek: you are on :) | 16:20 |
zzzeek | dims: oh hey :) | 16:20 |
zzzeek | so enginefacade is this big refactoring of how everyone will connect to sesssions and engines | 16:20 |
zzzeek | and me and mbooth have tried to get it into nova and hit a lot of complications | 16:20 |
zzzeek | so I’ve refacotred it like four times and now it really can do like, anything. so we can merge it, its backwards-compatible, but nobody is using it yet | 16:20 |
harlowja_at_home | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138215/ | 16:20 |
zzzeek | yeah | 16:21 |
zzzeek | so the issue is, we stil ldont know if any projects can use the API as is, b.c. when we hit nova, we hit all kinds of edge cases | 16:21 |
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harlowja_at_home | can u use the new 'depends-on' feature to push it into other projects as a WIP somehow? | 16:21 |
zzzeek | turns out, the best way to migrate is that we *dont* change transaction boundaries to start with, nova has cases where they may be relying on a transacvtion nested in another transaction | 16:21 |
bknudson | what issues did nova have? | 16:21 |
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zzzeek | bknudson: a lot with “this method needs to be able to retry itself”, inside of the context of a bigger transaction | 16:22 |
zzzeek | bknudson: which you can do by using a savepoint | 16:22 |
bknudson | keystone barely uses isolation. | 16:22 |
bknudson | mostly ignored and hope for the best. | 16:22 |
zzzeek | bknudson: but, nova isn’t doing that now :) so, its dramatic changes in how transactions work. so enginefacade right now, can be rolled out onto nova in such a way that its all the new code, but the way transactions demarcarte is completely maintained | 16:22 |
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zzzeek | bknudson: mbooth really dug into it and kept finding more and more weird edges where maybe things would no longer work, if we used one big transaction | 16:23 |
bknudson | might need to clean up the nova code first... wouldn't be the first time. | 16:23 |
dims | right bknudson | 16:24 |
bknudson | although it seems to be difficult to get code reorgs into nova. | 16:24 |
harlowja_at_home | it would seem uesful to have a vancouver session about how to make this get into projects (with the various folks/cores from the projects there to provide some insight) | 16:24 |
zzzeek | bknudson: also, if we were using “master” for read/write and “slave” for reads, w galera, what if an API call bounced from a “read/write” into a “read”, woudl the “read” have the data available immediately | 16:24 |
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dims | zzzeek: do we need a nova session, we can ask for one | 16:24 |
zzzeek | dims: yes | 16:24 |
harlowja_at_home | *just what i am thinking; making sure that they are there and involved... | 16:24 |
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dims | zzzeek: please add here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-summit-ideas | 16:24 |
zzzeek | but i would note - that right now, the legacy EngineFacade can be replaced with the new system in nova, all throughout, with no change in semantics, and I think we should go for that, then when on the new API, begin improving the nesting of transactions | 16:24 |
harlowja_at_home | ya, that does seem like a good plan | 16:25 |
harlowja_at_home | break nothing, then start breaking/adjusting as we go | 16:25 |
dims | #action zzzeek to add oslo.db enginefacade to nova agenda - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-summit-ideas | 16:25 |
harlowja_at_home | *where breaking == making better | 16:25 |
zzzeek | harlowja_at_home: but! when i first asked about this, nova devs were very nervous about a single patch that changes all “get_session()” globally. | 16:25 |
harlowja_at_home | arg | 16:25 |
harlowja_at_home | that to me seems like we just need the nova folks more actively involved | 16:25 |
dims | rpodolyaka1: could use some help on this? | 16:26 |
harlowja_at_home | someone needs to hug them, and stuff so that they don't feel nervous... | 16:26 |
harlowja_at_home | ^ maybe not for real, lol | 16:26 |
bknudson | hug session at the summit. | 16:26 |
harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:26 |
dims | harlowja_at_home: jaypipes and rpodolyaka1 can help i think | 16:26 |
dims | harlowja_at_home: ++ | 16:26 |
zzzeek | harlowja_at_home: also, nobody in nova seems to have too much enthusiasm for the whole thing :) | 16:26 |
sputnik13 | everyone needs a hug now and again | 16:26 |
harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:26 |
harlowja_at_home | zzzeek, ya, i'm not sure whats up with that | 16:26 |
zzzeek | there’s the possibility that we go for enginefacade in a project with simpler database logic, as nova is probably one of the worst | 16:27 |
dims | zzzeek: harlowja_at_home: that's beer worthy discussion :) | 16:27 |
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harlowja_at_home | dims, ;) | 16:27 |
dims | zzzeek: so which others can start earlier then? | 16:27 |
rpodolyaka1 | dims: sure! | 16:27 |
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zzzeek | dims: ummm there was another project someone mentioned… | 16:28 |
zzzeek | dims: maybe zaqar ? | 16:28 |
harlowja_at_home | cinder might be possible also? | 16:28 |
zzzeek | harlowja_at_home: yes | 16:28 |
harlowja_at_home | although the objects stuff is probably one of the other factors thats diverting peoples attention | 16:29 |
dims | we can ping liaisons again | 16:29 |
harlowja_at_home | ^ which makes them more nervous... | 16:29 |
zzzeek | dims harlowja_at_home : i think zaqar was mentioned b.c. im a redhatter and other redhatters are working on it | 16:29 |
harlowja_at_home | ya, might be a good way to go | 16:29 |
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harlowja_at_home | makes the hugging easier to do when they are all nearby | 16:30 |
harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:30 |
zzzeek | harlowja_at_home: um right this IRC server vs. the other IRC server :) | 16:30 |
dims | zzzeek: +1 if you can get someone from there to help | 16:30 |
harlowja_at_home | :-p | 16:30 |
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zzzeek | dims: im waiting for a big track of time where I can just do a POC for nova. mbooth did a lot of good work but I want to just get the old code ripped out first, and replaced with a 100% compatible but new API | 16:30 |
dims | zzzeek: do we have anything written down other than this? http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/oslo-specs/specs/kilo/make-enginefacade-a-facade.html | 16:31 |
zzzeek | dims: there’s a nova spec also hold on | 16:31 |
zzzeek | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150434/ | 16:31 |
dims | zzzeek: we can get things into oslo.db trunk and then use this trick (Depends-On and LIBS_FROM_GIT) to stabilize a nova patch | 16:32 |
dims | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160149/ | 16:32 |
zzzeek | dims: OK im not yet familiar with that | 16:32 |
harlowja_at_home | dims, nice; good idea | 16:32 |
zzzeek | dims: but sure | 16:32 |
dims | zzzeek: i'll work with you on that | 16:32 |
zzzeek | dims: ok | 16:32 |
dims | k. let's switch... | 16:32 |
harlowja_at_home | sounds like a common pattern we might want to shove on a twiki somewhere zzzeek dims | 16:32 |
zzzeek | dims: can you start by reviewing enginefacade and getting your head around it a bit ? | 16:33 |
dims | zzzeek: ack will do | 16:33 |
zzzeek | dims: it’s changed a bunch since the blueprint | 16:33 |
dims | right | 16:33 |
dims | anyone else have something to talk about? | 16:33 |
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dims | anyone *not* making it to vancouver? | 16:34 |
* harlowja_at_home will be there | 16:34 | |
zzzeek | do you fokls all go to the asia summits too, that’s a longer trip | 16:34 |
harlowja_at_home | summit #7 or something for me, lol | 16:34 |
harlowja_at_home | zzzeek, i'm not sure i want to go to the tokyo one | 16:34 |
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harlowja_at_home | we'll see | 16:34 |
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dims | zzzeek: y i attended a couple | 16:35 |
bknudson | tokyo is one of the safest cities. | 16:35 |
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harlowja_at_home | ya, just so far, pita.... | 16:35 |
zzzeek | harlowja_at_home: same….im super curious to see tokyo but got a 1-year olds 1st birthday at the same time here…. also not a huge airplane/jetlag fan… | 16:35 |
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harlowja_at_home | zzzeek, ya; i know what u mean, i did hong kong, paris, think i might let someone else go to the international one or something | 16:35 |
harlowja_at_home | we'll see | 16:35 |
dims | zzzeek: yay! grow up too fast :) | 16:35 |
sputnik13 | 2nd birthday comes quick after the 1st | 16:36 |
bknudson | I don't remember my 1st birthday | 16:36 |
harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:36 |
dims | haha | 16:36 |
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harlowja_at_home | i'm only 2 so i remeber it | 16:36 |
sputnik13 | and before you know it they're in day care | 16:36 |
dims | harlowja_at_home: one of my friends was born on Feb 29 | 16:36 |
dims | so, let's wrap up | 16:37 |
harlowja_at_home | dims, guess he's/shes pretty young then :-P | 16:37 |
dims | haha y | 16:37 |
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dims | more on our regular channel. ttyl folks | 16:37 |
dims | #endmeeting | 16:37 |
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harlowja_at_home | lata | 16:37 |
openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 30 16:37:48 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:37 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-03-30-16.03.html | 16:37 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-03-30-16.03.txt | 16:37 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-03-30-16.03.log.html | 16:37 |
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mrmartin | o/ | 17:00 |
dizquierdo_ | o/ | 17:01 |
mrmartin | have you seen reed? | 17:01 |
reed | who? | 17:01 |
dizquierdo_ | mrmartin, he should be around, I talked to him | 17:01 |
dizquierdo_ | :) | 17:01 |
reed | #startmeeting community | 17:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 30 17:01:43 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is reed. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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mrmartin | hi | 17:01 |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'community' | 17:01 |
reed | hi guys | 17:01 |
dizquierdo_ | hi | 17:01 |
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mrmartin | so let's review the action items of last meeting | 17:02 |
reed | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Community/MeetingAgenda#Agenda_for_March_30.2C_2015 | 17:03 |
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reed | mrmartin, let's start from askbot | 17:03 |
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reed | but first | 17:03 |
reed | #topic check previous action items http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/community/2015/community.2015-03-23-17.01.html | 17:04 |
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reed | reed to prepare a visual diagram based on dizquierdo's rst file: done | 17:04 |
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reed | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/File:Grimoire-arch.png | 17:04 |
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reed | dizquierdo to look at other openstack-infra/puppet-* modules and refactor mlstats puppet | 17:05 |
reed | how is that going, dizquierdo_? | 17:05 |
dizquierdo_ | reed, we decided to delay this, till we get a proper view of the architecture | 17:05 |
dizquierdo_ | although dpose is working on that | 17:05 |
reed | ok | 17:05 |
dizquierdo_ | or at least he's aware of that | 17:05 |
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reed | #info dizquierdo_ delayed the refactoring mlstats puppet module until architecture is more clear | 17:06 |
reed | how about the next action item? dizquierdo to add to the spec the description of database management | 17:06 |
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dizquierdo_ | reed, I added to the spec file info about the databases | 17:06 |
dizquierdo_ | and also information related to Automator, the tool in charge of automating the whole process | 17:06 |
reed | automator? | 17:06 |
reed | ok | 17:07 |
dizquierdo_ | retrieval + running all of the tools | 17:07 |
dizquierdo_ | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/activity-infratization-spec | 17:07 |
dizquierdo_ | lines 54-65 and 75-136 are the new ones | 17:07 |
reed | ok, if we have time, we'll discuss those later | 17:07 |
dizquierdo_ | ok | 17:07 |
reed | and the following topics are for mrmartin, part of the already scheduled topics | 17:08 |
dizquierdo_ | well reed | 17:08 |
dizquierdo_ | just a comment | 17:08 |
dizquierdo_ | there were pending issues in GitHub | 17:08 |
dizquierdo_ | we advanced in some of them | 17:08 |
dizquierdo_ | at least closed one, and there are comments in the others | 17:08 |
reed | right, dizquierdo_, we have those as later topics | 17:08 |
dizquierdo_ | ah ok, sorry | 17:08 |
reed | #topic Infratization of Askbot | 17:08 |
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reed | #info reed has done more testing reported results to the community list... | 17:09 |
mrmartin | so askbot | 17:09 |
reed | #info Chinese search on the new server works as in the production server, only with roman characters | 17:09 |
mrmartin | the Chinese patch was accepted, and we have this roman char issue | 17:10 |
reed | so the two servers are similarly broken, right? | 17:10 |
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mrmartin | yeah, but I can debug that | 17:10 |
reed | ok, we need to decide today if we move as it is and fix it later | 17:10 |
mrmartin | solr communicates through a REST like api, so it is possible to identify whether solr config is bad, or askbot sending wrong indexes or search queries | 17:10 |
reed | or fix it now before moving | 17:11 |
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mrmartin | I can allocate time for that tomorrow, let's check it, if it means a quick fix, apply that | 17:11 |
reed | did you find out about the pip package? | 17:11 |
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reed | is it a good source to install? | 17:11 |
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mrmartin | when I deployed the pip first, it was a very recent release | 17:12 |
reed | ok | 17:12 |
reed | i say let's go for pip then | 17:12 |
mrmartin | but basically I support the pip or some packaged form | 17:12 |
reed | yes, we can work with Evgeny on that I guess | 17:13 |
mrmartin | because it won't broke a system | 17:13 |
mrmartin | if a new github patch arrives | 17:13 |
reed | so we should wait until tomorrow to set a deadline for the switch? | 17:13 |
mrmartin | yes I suggest that | 17:13 |
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reed | #info check back with mrmartin on March 31st to decide a deadline for switching the server | 17:14 |
reed | mrmartin, how about the backup scripts? what was the decision there? | 17:14 |
mrmartin | so there was a little confusion, and we needed to backup pgsql what was a non-existent puppet module for infra | 17:15 |
mrmartin | https://review.openstack.org/167631 | 17:15 |
mrmartin | https://review.openstack.org/168117 | 17:15 |
mrmartin | this two patch just waiting for final approval | 17:15 |
reed | ok | 17:16 |
mrmartin | and if it is there, we I just need to add a bup resource, a third patch to manage the backup app at instance side. | 17:16 |
reed | do those need to merge before we can cut-off the old server? | 17:16 |
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mrmartin | anyway this third patch will require a little time to pass infra, because it is requires manual intervention at backup server side (create credentials, keys, etc.) | 17:16 |
mrmartin | anyway | 17:17 |
mrmartin | I found something :D | 17:17 |
mrmartin | I just realized that we have an ask-staging.o.o instance, and actual ask.o.o is creating daily backups there | 17:17 |
reed | #info the backup of the new askbot server is depending on https://review.openstack.org/167631 and https://review.openstack.org/168117, and possibly a third patch | 17:17 |
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reed | good :) | 17:18 |
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mrmartin | we need something like that for bup resource entry: https://github.com/openstack-infra/system-config/blob/master/modules/openstack_project/manifests/groups.pp#L86 | 17:18 |
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mrmartin | so that's the askbot status | 17:19 |
mrmartin | ok, let's go on with groups | 17:20 |
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reed | cool | 17:20 |
mrmartin | #topic groups status | 17:21 |
reed | #info post-pone the decision to move askbot to the new server until March 31st, pending sync-up with reed and mrmartin after infra meeting | 17:21 |
reed | #topic groups status | 17:21 |
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mrmartin | so this event location integration with o.o is done | 17:21 |
mrmartin | looks nice finally. | 17:21 |
mrmartin | The security fix and Commons 3.15 -> 3.23 upgrade done | 17:22 |
mrmartin | and a little notice here | 17:22 |
reed | #info integration of events with openstack.org is done | 17:22 |
mrmartin | :) | 17:22 |
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reed | #info The security fix and Commons 3.15 -> 3.23 upgrade done | 17:22 |
mrmartin | this upgrade broke only one thing, new users who had an o.o profile and don't have an account at groups.o.o cannot login | 17:23 |
reed | i saw a patch for that: is that issue fixed? | 17:23 |
mrmartin | because some code in token handling eat up all of the php process memory and either segfaulted or timed out. | 17:24 |
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reed | lovely | 17:24 |
mrmartin | I realized that on Friday, was a bit hard to find what the heck happend | 17:24 |
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mrmartin | because independently everything was working, and integration of three modules commons_activity_streams, tokens and groups_ouath2 caused this bug | 17:25 |
mrmartin | so the patch is out now | 17:25 |
mrmartin | both on dev, and production | 17:25 |
reed | is the site working correctly? | 17:25 |
mrmartin | needs to work now | 17:25 |
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reed | what do you mean? | 17:25 |
mrmartin | I can test it quickly | 17:26 |
reed | ok, thansk | 17:26 |
mrmartin | ok, it works well now | 17:26 |
reed | anything else on the groups portal? | 17:27 |
mrmartin | ok, so originally after the sec upgrade, I started to work on this notification | 17:27 |
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mrmartin | when somebody register a new group, we are getting an email about that (or sends an email to ambassador@ ML) | 17:28 |
reed | cool | 17:28 |
reed | tom wants the email to go to ambassadors list | 17:28 |
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mrmartin | it is in progress, because I run into that upgrade issue | 17:28 |
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reed | no problem | 17:28 |
reed | ok | 17:28 |
mrmartin | the portal have a very nice Messaging system concept | 17:28 |
reed | next topic | 17:28 |
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mrmartin | so that's to status, I'll go with that after the ask solr task. | 17:29 |
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reed | #topic activity board progress on github issues | 17:29 |
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reed | #link https://github.com/VizGrimoire/VizGrimoireJS/issues | 17:29 |
reed | mrmartin, yep, askbot is priority | 17:29 |
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dizquierdo_ | reed, Luis was in charge of filtering that list of issues | 17:30 |
dizquierdo_ | and one of them was closed | 17:30 |
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dizquierdo_ | and I'd say that in the rest of them, he's waiting for some extra info | 17:30 |
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reed | ok, I'll go through them | 17:30 |
dizquierdo_ | the one closed was this one: https://github.com/VizGrimoire/VizGrimoireJS/issues/55 | 17:30 |
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dizquierdo_ | and this should be deployed to the activity board in the following days | 17:30 |
reed | cook | 17:31 |
reed | cool | 17:31 |
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reed | if there is nothing special to discuss, let's continue on the tracker | 17:31 |
dizquierdo_ | this is all the progress related to the GH issues | 17:31 |
dizquierdo_ | sure | 17:32 |
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reed | sounds good... | 17:32 |
reed | anything else to discuss? | 17:32 |
dizquierdo_ | reed, not sure if mrmartin had the chance to have a look at the vagrant machine | 17:32 |
dizquierdo_ | although this is related to the first topic | 17:32 |
mrmartin | I'll check it on this week, this sec fix was priority. | 17:33 |
reed | I think it's better to save time to focus on the items with shorter deadlines, like the Report | 17:33 |
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reed | yeah, agreed with that priority, mrmartin | 17:33 |
dizquierdo_ | oh reed, is this the place to talk about the quarterly report progress? | 17:33 |
reed | I have a bunch of reading to do and things to discuss with dizquierdo_, so we should probably close the joined meeting and move to ad-hoc channel | 17:34 |
dizquierdo_ | sure | 17:34 |
reed | dizquierdo_, we can close the meeting, send mrmartin to work and you and I can focus on the quarterly report | 17:34 |
mrmartin | ok. | 17:34 |
dizquierdo_ | ok | 17:34 |
mrmartin | send mrmartin to sleep :D | 17:34 |
dizquierdo_ | :) | 17:34 |
reed | indeed :) | 17:34 |
reed | that's what I meant :) | 17:34 |
reed | #endmeeting | 17:34 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 30 17:34:53 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:34 |
reed | thanks everyone | 17:34 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/community/2015/community.2015-03-30-17.01.html | 17:34 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/community/2015/community.2015-03-30-17.01.txt | 17:34 |
mrmartin | thanks | 17:34 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/community/2015/community.2015-03-30-17.01.log.html | 17:34 |
dizquierdo_ | thanks! | 17:35 |
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koteswar | hi Manju :) | 17:52 |
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Manjunath | Hi Koteswar | 17:55 |
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Sukhdev | Hello folks | 17:59 |
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koteswar | hi sukhdev | 18:00 |
vikas | hi all | 18:00 |
koteswar | maruti may not be able to attend this meeting | 18:01 |
Sukhdev | armax is going to join us as well - lets give him a minute or so to join | 18:01 |
armax | I am here | 18:01 |
Sukhdev | koteswar: yes, he sent me an email | 18:01 |
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Sukhdev | Cool - we have all the folks | 18:01 |
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Sukhdev | #startmeeting networking_l2gw | 18:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 30 18:01:47 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_l2gw' | 18:01 |
Sukhdev | #topic: Agenda | 18:02 |
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Sukhdev | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/L2Gateway | 18:02 |
Sukhdev | #topic: Announcements | 18:02 |
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Sukhdev | I have an announcement | 18:02 |
Sukhdev | I updated our L2 GW wiki to include the documentation - | 18:03 |
Sukhdev | Do not know if you guys had any chance to look at it yet | 18:03 |
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Sukhdev | http://docs-draft.openstack.org/39/164639/3/check/gate-networking-l2gw-docs/b111c4c//doc/build/html/ | 18:03 |
koteswar | yea. i have seen it. u linked l2gateway documentation in the wikipage | 18:04 |
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Sukhdev | Also, in last week's Neutron core meeting I announced about the availability of our API | 18:04 |
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Sukhdev | I wanted to make sure wider audience is aware of this and start to use it | 18:05 |
Sukhdev | koteswar: good | 18:05 |
koteswar | ok. | 18:05 |
Sukhdev | Any body has any announcement that you want to share with the team? | 18:05 |
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Sukhdev | #topic: Project Status | 18:06 |
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koteswar | @sukhdev: as you know l2gw packaging is under review. vikas is waiting for +2 from armando\ | 18:06 |
Manjunath | @Vikas can you go ahead and talk about packaging stuff | 18:07 |
vikas | yes.. | 18:07 |
armax | vikas: I’ll be picking up on l2gw related reviews this week | 18:07 |
armax | I was swamped with Neutron’s RC reviews last week | 18:07 |
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armax | that said, I am not the only one with +2 rights | 18:07 |
vikas | ok fine | 18:08 |
vikas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/163827/ | 18:08 |
Sukhdev | Now armax is making me feel guilty:-) | 18:08 |
armax | Sukhdev: I wasn’t blaming anyone :) | 18:08 |
Sukhdev | I looked at the reviews over the weekend | 18:08 |
Sukhdev | vikas: I reviewed this earlier and posted comment - I will look at it today | 18:09 |
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vikas | ok fine | 18:10 |
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Manjunath | Myself and Phani reported some bugs and we are working on it. | 18:10 |
koteswar | all the major code is merged in stackforge. only some defect fixes are pending | 18:10 |
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Sukhdev | This has been amazing progress - hats off to you guys | 18:11 |
koteswar | we started testing end to end with HP switch | 18:11 |
Sukhdev | koteswar: how is it coming? | 18:11 |
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Sukhdev | koteswar: VM to BM ping back-n-forth? | 18:12 |
koteswar | sukhdev: you guys can start testing with arista switches and let us know the status | 18:12 |
Sukhdev | koteswar: I have two people looking at it | 18:12 |
koteswar | yes sukhdev. VM to BM ping is working fine. | 18:13 |
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Sukhdev | koteswar: that is great | 18:14 |
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koteswar | ok. please let us know if you guys face any issues | 18:14 |
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Sukhdev | koteswar: I will - I am trying to get the testing scheduled - | 18:15 |
koteswar | sukhdev: ok. thanks. | 18:16 |
Sukhdev | I have commitment from two people to jump on it soon - they have already pulled the code and reviewed it. It is looking all good | 18:16 |
Sukhdev | I have a bit of update as well - will provide in a bit - want to have you guys cover first | 18:16 |
koteswar | ok | 18:17 |
Sukhdev | #topic: Patches under review: | 18:17 |
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Sukhdev | We discussed about one patch - anything else on any of other patches? | 18:18 |
koteswar | from now onwards armando asked to raise defects and then raise code review against it | 18:18 |
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Sukhdev | koteswar: that is the right way.... | 18:18 |
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Sukhdev | I saw few bugs - which is a good thing - that means things are working | 18:19 |
vikas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167556/ | 18:19 |
koteswar | sukhdev: what ever the issues found, please raise defects in launchpad | 18:19 |
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Sukhdev | koteswar: will do | 18:19 |
Sukhdev | armax: when ever you become overwhelmed, feel free to ping me, I would be happy to step in | 18:20 |
armax | Sukhdev: ok, | 18:21 |
koteswar | few patch sets are waiting for +2 from armando https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/networking-l2gw,n,z | 18:21 |
armax | I am always overwhelmed | 18:21 |
armax | :) | 18:21 |
Sukhdev | OK - I will review these patches later this evening | 18:22 |
Sukhdev | koteswar: feel free to ping me - I am mostly on the neutron channel | 18:22 |
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Sukhdev | Anything else on the patches? | 18:23 |
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Sukhdev | #topic: Discussion about missing pieces | 18:23 |
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koteswar | sukhdev: ok | 18:23 |
Sukhdev | armax: for Kilo, is there anything additional that is missing? | 18:24 |
armax | we’d need to pusblish this stuff to pypi, but other than that we should be good | 18:25 |
armax | Sukhdev: I am thinking of adding an AFFILIATED file to Neutron that captures all the neutron-related project, just for reference | 18:25 |
armax | but that would be it | 18:25 |
Sukhdev | armax: I can help with pypi stuff | 18:26 |
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armax | Sukhdev: you got yourself an #action | 18:26 |
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Sukhdev | #action: Sukhdev to look at adding L2-GW to pypi | 18:26 |
Sukhdev | armax: for versioning - 2015.1.1 is good, right? | 18:27 |
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armax | Sukhdev: not sure if going with the 0.x.y scheme is better | 18:28 |
armax | Sukhdev: this is a sort of library after all | 18:28 |
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Sukhdev | armax: I was thinking we can align it with neutron release by using similar numbering - i.e. 2015.1.X with kilo/stable and 2015.2..x with Liberty/stable, etc.. | 18:29 |
Sukhdev | this way we can add bug fixes, etc on different versions to keep it aligned with Neutron releases | 18:30 |
armax | Sukhdev: that works too, but the nice thing about the different versioning scheme is that we don’t have to align | 18:30 |
armax | and go at our pace | 18:30 |
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Sukhdev | armax: I guess you have a point - I was thinking down the road, when many people are using this with different releases of Neutron (fast forward 2 years) and want to submit fixes to only sub branches | 18:32 |
armax | 2 years from now, I dunno if I am alive | 18:32 |
armax | :) | 18:33 |
Sukhdev | armax: Well, when thinking versioning, etc.. it is good to think that way | 18:33 |
armax | jokes aside, yes | 18:33 |
Sukhdev | armax: I can place a bet that I will be bugging you two years down the road as well (God willing :-)) | 18:33 |
armax | do we see ourselves iterate faster than Neutron? | 18:34 |
armax | I would think so | 18:34 |
Sukhdev | armax: Yes, | 18:34 |
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Sukhdev | armax: actually may be - | 18:34 |
armax | how do other projects’ versioning scheme is like? I see that most choose x.y.z where x,y,z=0,1,2,3,… | 18:34 |
armax | so I figured that it’s prolly more appropriate | 18:34 |
Sukhdev | considering we are in early stage - I have a feeling many will jump in and would want to make changes, enhancements, etc | 18:35 |
Sukhdev | armax: I just went through the discussion about networking_arista, and decided it that way | 18:35 |
Sukhdev | this gives tremendous flexibility to vendors, users, developers - | 18:36 |
armax | Sukhdev: sure, overall they are pretty much the same, it’s a matter of perception | 18:36 |
armax | Sukhdev: I leave the choice to you | 18:36 |
armax | or the larger consensus | 18:37 |
armax | of the folks sitting in this room | 18:37 |
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Sukhdev | what do others think? | 18:37 |
Sukhdev | Here is how I was thinking: | 18:37 |
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Manjunath | we can align it with neutron release | 18:38 |
Sukhdev | When kilo is close, we will create a branch on this project called kilo/stable, create a tag, version it, and publish it to pypi | 18:38 |
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armax | Sukhdev: ok | 18:39 |
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Manjunath | ok | 18:39 |
Sukhdev | And, going forward, the version for the master branch for this project will become 2015.2.0 | 18:40 |
Sukhdev | this way now one can fix bug against only Kilo, if they want or against both master and kilo | 18:40 |
Sukhdev | the users who do not care about the release (e.g. if they pick neutron master branch) they will simply use "pip install networking_l2gw" and get the latest code | 18:41 |
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Manjunath | Agreed | 18:42 |
Sukhdev | for those who worry about using a specific code branch they can use "sudo pip install networking_l2gw>=2015.1.0, <2015.2.0" - this gives them latest on the kilo/stable | 18:42 |
koteswar | if nuetron changes its version amd l2gw has no changes, do we still change l2gw version to align with neutron? | 18:42 |
Sukhdev | koteswar: we do not have to - but, if we make any fix which will go into liberty, then we do | 18:43 |
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Sukhdev | For instance (as an example) - kilo/stable will support vxlan<->VLAN mapping. If we add VLAN<->VLAN mapping in liberty - we can change the version | 18:44 |
Sukhdev | Hope this is making sense | 18:44 |
koteswar | sukhdev: ok | 18:45 |
Sukhdev | We can discuss further in our next meeting - once you have had a chance to digest it and think about it | 18:45 |
Sukhdev | armax: does this make sense? | 18:45 |
koteswar | sukhdev:sure | 18:46 |
Sukhdev | We still have some time to do this - Kilo does not go our until 4/29 | 18:46 |
armax | Sukhdev: sure | 18:46 |
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Sukhdev | Sounds good | 18:46 |
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Sukhdev | Anything else on this? | 18:46 |
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Sukhdev | #topic: Open Discussion | 18:47 |
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Sukhdev | I want to give you guys an update | 18:47 |
Sukhdev | I have been socializing this project with wider audiaence | 18:47 |
Sukhdev | many people are not aware of this project | 18:47 |
Sukhdev | When I give them high level overview - everybody likes it | 18:48 |
Sukhdev | I have been sending the link to our wiki to many vendors/customers | 18:48 |
Sukhdev | We need to make sure that we make larger population aware of this | 18:49 |
Sukhdev | that is it from me | 18:50 |
Sukhdev | anybody wants to add anything? | 18:50 |
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Sukhdev | armax: any final departing thoughts? | 18:51 |
armax | Sukhdev: nope | 18:51 |
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Sukhdev | OK - folks, in that case we are done - thanks for joining and providing update | 18:51 |
Sukhdev | #endmeeting | 18:51 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 30 18:51:58 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:52 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_l2gw/2015/networking_l2gw.2015-03-30-18.01.html | 18:52 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_l2gw/2015/networking_l2gw.2015-03-30-18.01.txt | 18:52 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_l2gw/2015/networking_l2gw.2015-03-30-18.01.log.html | 18:52 |
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davidlenwell | #startmeeting refstack | 18:56 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 30 18:56:41 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is davidlenwell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:56 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:56 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 18:56 |
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vladiskuz|3 | o/ | 18:58 |
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clee | o/ | 18:59 |
Rockyg | o/ | 18:59 |
davidlenwell | for the record I am going to repeat this.. officially .. I hate day light savings time.. | 18:59 |
catherineD | o/ | 19:00 |
Rockyg | davidlenwell: ++ | 19:00 |
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pvaneck | o/ | 19:00 |
davidlenwell | well lets get started.. | 19:00 |
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davidlenwell | Today's agenda: 1) Status of implementation of agreed action items of Feb f2f meeting. 2) refstack.net / ui / access to servers.. 3) Any design session for refstack for Vacouver summit 4) Pending review | 19:01 |
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hogepodge | o/ | 19:01 |
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davidlenwell | #topic Status of implementation of agreed action items of Feb f2f meeting. | 19:02 |
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davidlenwell | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack_f2f_feb_2015 | 19:02 |
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sslypushenko__ | o/ | 19:03 |
davidlenwell | I don't think we need to rehash anything in this list by typing it into chat.. but I'd like everyone to take a minute today and review our status and make sure anything waiting on you is up to date. | 19:03 |
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davidlenwell | any comments or questions? | 19:04 |
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davidlenwell | okay .. lets move on.. save anything about work items for the end durring open discussion | 19:05 |
davidlenwell | #topic refstack.net / ui / access to servers.. | 19:05 |
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davidlenwell | Catherine and I have been planning what to do with the ui end of our story.. | 19:06 |
davidlenwell | at the moment.. the short plan is to create a simple web ui.. starting with a home page that is rendered from the readme.md file in the root of refstacks repository. | 19:06 |
davidlenwell | pvaneck: is prototying the code for that currently.. | 19:07 |
davidlenwell | pvaneck: do you have any updates on that? I know we just talked about on friday. | 19:07 |
pvaneck | right, I've been looking at storyboard-webclient for an idea on structure and angularjs usage | 19:08 |
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pvaneck | but nothing concrete just yet | 19:08 |
hogepodge | fyi, it looks like storyboard is being mothballed (since pvaneck mentioned it) | 19:08 |
davidlenwell | I think that is a good place to start.. however feel free to use the angular beginer manual and make some of your own choices | 19:08 |
davidlenwell | yes.. hogepodge .. I had an in depth conversation with mordred about that over the weekend.. | 19:09 |
pvaneck | yes, haha, going through some tutorials | 19:09 |
sslypushenko__ | pvaneck: Do you have any experience with angularjs? | 19:09 |
pvaneck | sslypushenko__: only started lookning at it recently | 19:09 |
davidlenwell | they havn't fully pulled the trigger on that yet .. but they don't have the development staff to being it to the level we need it to be.. so they are exploring options. | 19:09 |
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sslypushenko__ | pvaneck: :( | 19:09 |
davidlenwell | sslypushenko__: are you expieranced with angular? | 19:10 |
sslypushenko__ | No | 19:10 |
davidlenwell | I was hoping to broaden pvaneck's skills a little | 19:10 |
davidlenwell | its pretty easy to pick up | 19:10 |
pvaneck | interesting enough to learn | 19:10 |
davidlenwell | angular + bootstrap is a pretty powerful mix when making front end | 19:10 |
sslypushenko__ | I wiil see soon) | 19:11 |
davidlenwell | okay .. lets move on and talk about hosting | 19:11 |
davidlenwell | previously we planned to create a script that keeps refstack.net up to date with trunk code | 19:11 |
davidlenwell | it would be my preference for no user to ever log into the refstack.net web server.. in fact I'd like the entire hosting exp to be as automated as possible.. | 19:12 |
catherineD | davidlenwell: I think we have story writeen for that ... | 19:12 |
sslypushenko__ | We need some automatical deployment system | 19:12 |
davidlenwell | we do | 19:12 |
davidlenwell | yes .. which as I remember I volunteered to take on before I ran into employment issues.. | 19:12 |
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hogepodge | Maybe cores can have access in case of automation failures or needed updates? | 19:13 |
davidlenwell | I will pick that back up this week.. plan to have it working on monday | 19:13 |
davidlenwell | hogepodge: indeed .. however .. I like to get it off my personal hp cloud account as soon as we can | 19:13 |
davidlenwell | the plan has always been for infra to host this for us.. | 19:13 |
catherineD | +1 on getting off personal hosting ... | 19:14 |
davidlenwell | they keep things up todate differently than I woulld .. again storyboard is a good example of this .. they merge stuff and it goes live | 19:14 |
catherineD | we need a plan to move refstack.net to an official place ... | 19:14 |
davidlenwell | the question is still is Defcore going to use us as the official testing channel or not? | 19:14 |
davidlenwell | if they are then I can see an argument for having infra host us.. if they are not then we should explore other options and plan for a way to fund or get donated hosting | 19:15 |
clee | I'm sure we could donate an instance for this | 19:15 |
davidlenwell | thanks clee | 19:15 |
clee | (DreamHost, I mean) | 19:15 |
catherineD | clee: thanks | 19:15 |
davidlenwell | yes .. I gathered that | 19:15 |
clee | in case infra doesn't want to host it, and nobody from Rackspace volunteers :) | 19:16 |
hogepodge | Before the Vancouver summit, no. Our plan is to have vendors submit test results manually as there are still outstanding account and usability needs refstack needs to address. Plus there are a small set of flagged tests that need to either be explicitly excluded or manually checked. | 19:16 |
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davidlenwell | is there a list of those someplace? | 19:17 |
davidlenwell | sorry I've been checked out of the defcore meetings lately | 19:17 |
Rockyg | The flagged tests are just now being proposed. | 19:17 |
catherineD | hogepodge: where do they submit result to? | 19:17 |
davidlenwell | #topic surprise addition Defcore update | 19:17 |
hogepodge | Me. | 19:17 |
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catherineD | hogepodge: so you will submit refstack? so you can view? | 19:18 |
davidlenwell | hogepodge: can you give us a general update from the foundation and defcore please.. | 19:18 |
hogepodge | The board approved the latest Defcore capabilities, 2015.03. Capabilities are now identified by date of approval rather than release to better track versionless Tempest and reduce confusion about what tests can be run against. | 19:19 |
hogepodge | The new testing standards go into effect today for new products. | 19:19 |
hogepodge | Last week I was in NYC with the openstack-qa team working on patching problematic tests and finding other workarounds. | 19:19 |
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catherineD | hogepodge: what is the new testing standards? | 19:20 |
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hogepodge | catherineD: To qualify for the mark new products need to pass defcore 2015.03 or later tests (2015.05 expected to be approved in Vancouver) | 19:20 |
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davidlenwell | good to know | 19:21 |
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Rockyg | Question: is 2015.03 a proposed or final? | 19:21 |
hogepodge | Test failures from network attachments have been fixed. Some outstanding work on accounts needs to be done. | 19:21 |
catherineD | hogepodge: got it thx ... later we can talk about this ... Paul just update refstack to use 2015.03 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168512/ | 19:21 |
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hogepodge | Rockyg: 2015.03 is final, with flagged tests under review based on recent work. | 19:22 |
davidlenwell | Thank hogepodge.. its important we stay informed.. | 19:22 |
hogepodge | Out of the 127 required defcore tests I can pass over 110 of them on a non-devstack cloud, and around 10 tests are known false negatives. | 19:22 |
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hogepodge | (don't have exact numbers in front of me) | 19:23 |
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Rockyg | hogepodge: Thanks | 19:23 |
davidlenwell | okay.. lets move on for now.. . | 19:23 |
davidlenwell | #topic hosting | 19:23 |
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davidlenwell | lets revisit a perminate hosting solution next week.. I'll talk to some folks and see what our real options are and we can make an imformed decision | 19:24 |
davidlenwell | #topic design session | 19:24 |
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catherineD | hogepodge: are there any DefCore session that you are aware of? | 19:24 |
hogepodge | Not that I'm aware of. We can find out in the next DefCore meeting. | 19:25 |
catherineD | davidlenwell: sorry should wait until open discussion for the question ... | 19:25 |
hogepodge | kk | 19:25 |
catherineD | hogepodge: thx | 19:26 |
davidlenwell | actually I think that was on topic | 19:26 |
davidlenwell | usually I get an email with a call for design session submission .. however I have not seen it yet.. Does anyone know the submission deadline? | 19:26 |
davidlenwell | or the window.. | 19:26 |
Rockyg | No email so far. A bunch of projects have announced their sessions etherpads, though. | 19:27 |
davidlenwell | well lets get ours started.. I think we need another session with q/a | 19:28 |
davidlenwell | I want to talk about cleaning up after tempest with them directly | 19:28 |
hogepodge | I have an idea for that. | 19:28 |
davidlenwell | oh? | 19:28 |
davidlenwell | and idea for a solution or on the submission copy? | 19:29 |
davidlenwell | s/and/an | 19:29 |
hogepodge | I think that test resources should be postfixed with the test idempotent_id, that way anything not cleaned up can be paired to a test immediately. | 19:29 |
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hogepodge | (or n bytes of the idempotent id for brevity, where n helps guarantee againt collision) | 19:29 |
catherineD | we have a story for that https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000117 | 19:29 |
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catherineD | hogepodge: should we plan for a design session? | 19:30 |
davidlenwell | okay . | 19:30 |
davidlenwell | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-qa-vancouver-design-session | 19:30 |
davidlenwell | lets put it here | 19:30 |
Rockyg | davidlenwell, hogpodge: ++ | 19:31 |
davidlenwell | lets try to get most of our copy in this etherpad this week | 19:31 |
davidlenwell | so when submission open we can get it in without rushing it | 19:31 |
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catherineD | ++ we can also review next week | 19:32 |
hogepodge | checking on that | 19:32 |
davidlenwell | awesome | 19:32 |
davidlenwell | thanks hogepodge | 19:32 |
davidlenwell | okay for the sake of time lets move forward.. | 19:32 |
davidlenwell | #topic Pending review | 19:32 |
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catherineD | let discuss https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168512/ first | 19:32 |
catherineD | this one updates refstack to use 2015.03 .... | 19:33 |
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davidlenwell | catherineD: let me get this on my dev box and see it with my own eyes before I vote on it in review | 19:33 |
catherineD | I have one discuss item for this one ... | 19:33 |
davidlenwell | okay | 19:33 |
davidlenwell | lets hear it | 19:34 |
catherineD | previously, the capability file reside in refstack ... now 2015.03 is in defcore ... | 19:34 |
catherineD | do we mirror the file? if so how do we know it is update to dae? | 19:34 |
catherineD | date | 19:34 |
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davidlenwell | there are a number of ways around this.. I'll leave some comments with some examples for paul | 19:35 |
catherineD | +1 ... or also hogepodge: how do we want to display the flagged test? | 19:35 |
davidlenwell | sill the flagged tests be listed in the json file? | 19:36 |
catherineD | the flagged tested are listed in both "flaggeg-test" and "test" | 19:36 |
hogepodge | The decision by the committee was that flagged tests are a subset of approved tests | 19:36 |
davidlenwell | okay | 19:36 |
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catherineD | hogepodge: how do we want to flagged the test in the UI is my question? Currently UI only display test .. | 19:37 |
davidlenwell | I'd like to discuss in channel in greater detail on what that means exactly .. lots of questions.. perheps I just need to call rob and brain dump | 19:37 |
catherineD | ok... next IRC meeting? | 19:37 |
hogepodge | It's kind of a funny spot. Some tests are flagged because of bugs in tests, others are flagged because they don't belong. There's no way distinguish between them. I think they should be highlighted in some way in the UI. | 19:38 |
catherineD | or shoudl we have a separte meeting .. | 19:38 |
davidlenwell | lets have an entire longer discussion about this topic .. dont' want to rush to a decision here | 19:38 |
davidlenwell | any other pending reviews? | 19:38 |
catherineD | separated | 19:38 |
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davidlenwell | I'll catch up on the review queue this afternoon.. | 19:39 |
catherineD | Vladiskuz --> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166247/ | 19:39 |
catherineD | I am reviewing it .. | 19:39 |
vladiskuz|3 | I'll make some refactoring, but in general it's work | 19:40 |
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davidlenwell | great .. | 19:41 |
davidlenwell | lets move into open discussion | 19:41 |
catherineD | practically we have about 4-5 weeks to Vancouver ... we should plan to have all Fef f2f items implemented by mid April? | 19:41 |
davidlenwell | as many as we can .. we might need to do some reprioritizaton | 19:41 |
davidlenwell | catherineD: lets have a phone call later in the week and go over the items one by one | 19:41 |
catherineD | ok | 19:42 |
davidlenwell | So many of you might have noticed my absense the last couple of weeks.. | 19:42 |
davidlenwell | I've been on so many interviews and phone interviews in the last couple of weeks.. that many of them are a blur.. | 19:42 |
davidlenwell | I spent a lot of time searching for a new employer who would genuinly support my efforts on refstack and upstream in general.. | 19:43 |
davidlenwell | That search has come to and end.. in the middle of the month I'll officially be starting with Akanda.. | 19:43 |
clee | oh, sweet! | 19:44 |
clee | davidlenwell: congrats :) | 19:44 |
davidlenwell | thanks .. | 19:44 |
catherineD | davidlenwell: congrats .. | 19:44 |
davidlenwell | for those who don't know akanda is a spin off company from dreamhost | 19:44 |
Rockyg | Congratulations! Never heard of them. What do they do? | 19:44 |
sslypushenko__ | Good news! | 19:44 |
davidlenwell | they are productizing some stuff dreamhost has been doing.. | 19:44 |
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davidlenwell | networking related.. | 19:44 |
davidlenwell | my new boss insures me that they thing refstack is important and want to support my efforts here.. | 19:45 |
hogepodge | Congrats! | 19:45 |
davidlenwell | thanks all.. I'm very happy with the decision .. | 19:45 |
davidlenwell | being able to continue my work here was a large part of that entire change.. | 19:46 |
davidlenwell | I don't offically start for two weeks.. but I will be active on refstack related things.. feel free to reach out to me with anything.. | 19:46 |
davidlenwell | anyone have anything else to discuss? final thoughts .. questions? | 19:47 |
clee | davidlenwell: what're you gonna do for two weeks? Europe trip? :) | 19:47 |
catherineD | davidlenwell: refstack :-) | 19:47 |
davidlenwell | My son is turning 12.. we're going to be building a robot with my 3d printer and some arduino stuff | 19:47 |
davidlenwell | he's also on spring break | 19:48 |
clee | nice! | 19:48 |
Rockyg | I think we really need to put together a prioritized list of where/how we need to interact with QA design/code efforts | 19:48 |
davidlenwell | which is why I'm delaying my start | 19:48 |
clee | sounds like a pretty good reason. | 19:48 |
davidlenwell | Rockyg: thats why we started etherpad.. lets dump our initial thougths on that . we'll get them more concise over the comming weeks. | 19:48 |
catherineD | Rockyg: +1 | 19:48 |
catherineD | do we want to vote on a date and time for the phone call this weeks? | 19:49 |
davidlenwell | catherineD: sure .. when is good for you? | 19:50 |
hogepodge | phone call? | 19:50 |
davidlenwell | we could do it today if you want | 19:50 |
davidlenwell | hogepodge: not a big one.. I just to verbally review the action items from our face to face and re-priorities | 19:50 |
catherineD | hogepodge: earlier we talk about UI ....and davidlenwell: suggest a phone call will be better | 19:50 |
davidlenwell | so we have realistic goals for the summit | 19:50 |
clee | who else is gonna be at the summit? | 19:50 |
davidlenwell | I will be | 19:50 |
* clee has already booked his flight and airbnb | 19:50 | |
hogepodge | Is this open topic? | 19:51 |
davidlenwell | yes | 19:51 |
davidlenwell | we have 9 more minutes.. bring up anything | 19:51 |
hogepodge | Catherine and I had our talk for testing accepted. We'll be speaking on Tuesday at 11:15 at the summit. | 19:51 |
Rockyg | Yay! | 19:52 |
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davidlenwell | awesome! lets make sure we keep promoting that here and on other channels | 19:52 |
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davidlenwell | I'm sure you'll pack the house | 19:52 |
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davidlenwell | okay folks.. lets move any further discussion in #refstack.. catherineD I'll pm you about times we can chat | 19:54 |
catherineD | for the phone call let's do it on Wednesday ... let every one has a chance to look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168512/ | 19:54 |
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davidlenwell | sure .. | 19:54 |
davidlenwell | lets do that | 19:54 |
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davidlenwell | wednesday works for me | 19:54 |
davidlenwell | #endmeeting | 19:54 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 30 19:54:56 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:54 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-03-30-18.56.html | 19:54 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-03-30-18.56.txt | 19:55 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-03-30-18.56.log.html | 19:55 |
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redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 19:59 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 30 19:59:56 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:59 |
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openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:59 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:00 |
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jvrbanac | o/ | 20:00 |
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hockeynut | o/ | 20:00 |
igueths | o/ | 20:00 |
arunkant | o/ | 20:00 |
jaosorior | o/ | 20:00 |
dave-mccowan | o/ | 20:00 |
elmiko | o/ | 20:00 |
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chellygel | \(・`(ェ)・)/ | 20:00 |
kfarr | o/ | 20:00 |
redrobot | awesome, lots of barbicaneers here! | 20:00 |
redrobot | #topic Action Items | 20:01 |
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redrobot | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-03-23-19.59.html | 20:01 |
redrobot | There was only one action item last week | 20:01 |
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redrobot | and it was for me to reach out to tsv regarding the status of the Quota BP | 20:01 |
redrobot | I did send him an email this morning, but haven't heard back from him yet. | 20:01 |
woodster_ | o. | 20:01 |
redrobot | so I'll kick the can to next time | 20:01 |
woodster_ | o/ | 20:01 |
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redrobot | #action redrobot to update on tsv status for Quota BP | 20:02 |
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reaperhulk | o/ | 20:02 |
redrobot | ok, moving on to the topics for this week | 20:02 |
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redrobot | #topic Kilo Deprecation | 20:02 |
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redrobot | jvrbanac would you mind elaborating on this | 20:02 |
jvrbanac | redrobot, sure. | 20:03 |
jvrbanac | redrobot, so this is more of a heads up that we need to make we have everything flagged that we want to start deprecating. | 20:03 |
redrobot | I think the only things we've deprecated so far are | 20:03 |
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redrobot | 1) use /payload for decryption instead of different content-types in the server | 20:04 |
redrobot | 2) don't set payload_content_type or payload_content_encoding in the client | 20:04 |
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hockeynut | redrobot do we have a list anywhere of our deprecated stuff? | 20:05 |
redrobot | hockeynut other than in the chat log above, no | 20:05 |
jvrbanac | I thought we had mentioned other things during the mid-cycle | 20:06 |
hockeynut | I will suggest that we start something either in wiki or official docs to track all the deprecated things | 20:06 |
woodster_ | I vote for official docs | 20:07 |
redrobot | hockeynut agreed. I think wiki would work. | 20:07 |
jaosorior | probably the docs would be more appropriate | 20:07 |
woodster_ | that should be highlighted in our API docs too | 20:07 |
redrobot | I think we certainly want to deprecate things in the docs, which we have already done. | 20:08 |
redrobot | but for a list of deprecation items, I think a wiki makes sense | 20:08 |
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redrobot | tbh I don't care much either way.... anyone want to tackle compiling the list? | 20:09 |
hockeynut | usually that kind of thing goes into a change activity/history section in docs but I don't think we have such a beast | 20:09 |
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hockeynut | (raises hand meekly) :-) | 20:10 |
redrobot | bueller? | 20:10 |
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hockeynut | (waves hand frantically) | 20:10 |
redrobot | #action hockeynut to compile list of deprecated features in docs (or wiki) | 20:10 |
redrobot | jvrbanac were you able to dig up any other items on this topic? | 20:11 |
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jvrbanac | redrobot, not of the top of my head | 20:11 |
redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:12 |
redrobot | #topic Logging in Barbican | 20:12 |
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redrobot | jvrbanac this is another one of yours | 20:12 |
jvrbanac | Yep | 20:12 |
jvrbanac | Soo, as most people have realized, we need to start improving our logging | 20:12 |
jvrbanac | to start the discussion I added a simple CR here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168774/ | 20:13 |
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jvrbanac | Also, for everyone's information here is the link to the logging guidelines for openstack: | 20:14 |
jvrbanac | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-specs/specs/log-guidelines.html | 20:14 |
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woodster_ | jvrbanac, please add localization (the u._LI(...)) stuff to info messages | 20:15 |
woodster_ | are you thinking paper cuts to scrub out the prose of our logging messages? | 20:16 |
redrobot | woodster_ jvrbanac I think there's specific guidelines on what log items get localization and which dont... not sure if this CR qualifies | 20:17 |
elmiko | i thought only debug doesn't get translated? | 20:17 |
woodster_ | I think any info level needs _LI treatment so such messages can be localized | 20:17 |
elmiko | that was my impression too, aside from like variable names | 20:18 |
jvrbanac | In general, I believe we need to go through each part of Barbican, figure out what we should be logging, and figuring out how we go about closing that gap | 20:18 |
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jvrbanac | Part of this is that I don't believe we're really aware of the openstack standards are for this as well. | 20:19 |
woodster_ | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.i18n/guidelines.html#log-translation | 20:19 |
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elmiko | might also want a barbican liaison to the log-wg | 20:19 |
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redrobot | elmiko heh... how many liaisons are there now? | 20:20 |
elmiko | only 4 listed | 20:20 |
elmiko | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#Logging_Working_Group | 20:20 |
elmiko | i only suggest as i've found it useful to hangout in some of the cross project meetings, doesn't have to be some big official type thing | 20:21 |
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redrobot | #help we need someone to volunteer to be our Logging Liaison | 20:23 |
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redrobot | ok, any other questions/comments on this topic? | 20:24 |
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jvrbanac | Just for people to toss comments on that CR | 20:24 |
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jvrbanac | :D | 20:24 |
redrobot | cool | 20:25 |
redrobot | moving on | 20:25 |
redrobot | #topic Castellan Initial Release | 20:25 |
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redrobot | so, all CRs that were pending last week have landed | 20:25 |
redrobot | I've also registered "castellan" in PyPI | 20:25 |
elmiko | woot | 20:26 |
redrobot | so unless there are any objections, I'll be making the initial (0.1.0) release of Castellan after this meeting. | 20:26 |
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hockeynut | redrobot are functional tests required for such a release? | 20:27 |
redrobot | hockeynut I don't think so. It's mainly just an interface now. I wouldn't expect functional tests until kfarr gets a barbican implementation working. | 20:28 |
hockeynut | redrobot ok - just wanted to be sure they weren't required for the process. thx! | 20:28 |
redrobot | #action redrobot to release Castellan 0.1.0 | 20:30 |
redrobot | #topic Open Discussion | 20:30 |
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redrobot | that's all I have on the agenda today | 20:30 |
redrobot | any other topics we would like to discuss? | 20:30 |
elmiko | quick castellan q | 20:31 |
redrobot | elmiko shoot | 20:31 |
elmiko | is the repo on github in the state it will be pushed to pypi? | 20:31 |
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redrobot | elmiko I was planning to tag 5fea4ffb806fbc75c829492e5e91065a72719ebc | 20:32 |
alee | redrobot, sorry I;m late. did you mention that acl review session on wed? | 20:32 |
elmiko | redrobot: ack, thanks! | 20:32 |
redrobot | alee I did not | 20:32 |
alee | glad I asked :) | 20:32 |
redrobot | FYI we had a Google Hangout meeting today to review woodster_ 's work on the Retry BP | 20:32 |
redrobot | it was very productive, and we were able to land the outstanding CRs | 20:33 |
redrobot | We've got another Google Hangout scheduled for this Wednesday at 11:00am PDT | 20:33 |
redrobot | I've sent an invite to all the core reviewers | 20:33 |
redrobot | ping me if you're not a core reviewer but would like an invite as well | 20:33 |
woodster_ | don't wait until 30 mins before to start reviewing those CRs btw...that's a meaty feature | 20:34 |
redrobot | also invited kfarr since rellerreller is on vacation | 20:34 |
kfarr | thanks redrobot! | 20:34 |
kfarr | I was there today, just lurking | 20:34 |
redrobot | kfarr I saw! Thanks for joining :) | 20:34 |
alee | redrobot, I believe rm_work was interested too | 20:34 |
redrobot | alee good point, I'll add him to the list | 20:35 |
rm_work | yes | 20:35 |
rm_work | yeah I was planning to re-read the spec BP and then try to make my way through all of those CRs tonight/tomorrow | 20:35 |
woodster_ | Please consider adding Charles as well redrobot | 20:35 |
rm_work | it looks like basically a whole day's worth of code review T_T | 20:35 |
arunkant | redrobot, thanks for organizing acl review session. Can people add review comments on acl changes (later patches 3/4/5)..will be more useful when coming to session. | 20:36 |
alee | hopefully we'll be able to knock off most of the reviews/ issues in that section. as folks have said though, it is meaty - so come prepared. | 20:36 |
hockeynut | those hangouts seem like a good way to get these meaty CRs thru the process | 20:36 |
hockeynut | for me the interactive review is a big plus | 20:36 |
redrobot | hockeynut I agree. Definitely a good way to give big CRs a kick in the rear to get them moving | 20:37 |
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redrobot | well, if there are no more questions/comments we can end the meeting early. | 20:38 |
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redrobot | alrighty, thanks for coming guys! See (some of) y'all in the Google Hangout on Wednesday. | 20:40 |
redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:40 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 30 20:40:05 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:40 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-03-30-19.59.html | 20:40 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-03-30-19.59.txt | 20:40 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-03-30-19.59.log.html | 20:40 |
elmiko | thanks redrobot! | 20:40 |
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sarob | Anyone here for the ambassador meeting? | 20:59 |
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sarob | #startmeeting ambassadors | 21:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 30 21:00:57 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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sarob | Who's here? | 21:01 |
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sarob | #endmeeting | 21:07 |
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openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ambassadors/2015/ambassadors.2015-03-30-21.00.html | 21:07 |
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