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| sc68cal | helloooooooooo | 15:00 |
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| sc68cal | #startmeeting neutron_ipv6 | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 31 15:01:51 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_ipv6)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ipv6' | 15:01 |
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| HenryG | o/ | 15:02 |
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| SridharG | o/ | 15:03 |
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| dboik | \o | 15:03 |
| dane_leblanc | o/ | 15:03 |
| sc68cal | Was happy to see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149068/ get merged, along with the other patchsets in that series | 15:03 |
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| sc68cal | nice work everyone | 15:04 |
| sc68cal | hmm looks like I'm a bit ahead of myself, looking at the deps | 15:04 |
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| sc68cal | patches from andrew boik are still inflight | 15:05 |
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| sc68cal | I don't have much to discuss today since we're in the RC phase and I've been doing a lot of doc stuff, so I'll let folks drive the agenda for the meeting, if they have things they want to discuss | 15:06 |
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| sc68cal | before I do that, I do want to see if people want to do a straw poll about wrapping up the subteam - if this working group is still useful or if we should look to try and merge with another subteam, like carl_baldwin 's l3 group | 15:09 |
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| * haleyb hears crickets | 15:11 | |
| dane_leblanc | That might depend on how many IPv6 blueprints will be accepted for Liberty, I suppose. | 15:11 |
| carl_baldwin | dane_leblanc: +1 | 15:12 |
| dboik | +1 | 15:12 |
| SridharG | +1 | 15:12 |
| sc68cal | dane_leblanc: good point | 15:12 |
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| sc68cal | Do we have any business to discuss today? That's all I had | 15:16 |
| SridharG | sc68cal: I want to discuss about keepalived version | 15:17 |
| SridharG | I'm looking into IPv6 support for L3 HA and noticed that we need keepalived version 1.2.10 | 15:17 |
| SridharG | Assaf had a look at the keepalived version in various distros and commented his observations at the following patch - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168781/4//COMMIT_MSG | 15:17 |
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| SridharG | Ubuntu 14.04 seems to be using an old version of keepalived and needs to be updated to version 1.2.10 | 15:18 |
| SridharG | I wanted to use this as a medium to share to the team about the Keepalived version that is required for IPv6 support | 15:19 |
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| SridharG | and also to know if someone in the team can package an updated version of keepalived for Ubuntu 14.04? | 15:20 |
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| sc68cal | SridharG: thanks for looking into it - nice work | 15:20 |
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| sc68cal | We might just be able to ping whoever the maintainer of the package is and ask them to bump | 15:20 |
| sc68cal | either that or the ubuntu server team that manages the cloud archive - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/CloudArchive | 15:21 |
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| SridharG | so sc68cal, any idea to whom to send an email about this requirement? | 15:22 |
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| sc68cal | SridharG: sadly, no. I'm kinda spoiled by having ihrachyshka around, where we can just yell at him about rhel packages | 15:24 |
| sc68cal | we need a ubuntu person we can yell at :) | 15:24 |
| SridharG | sc68cal: hahaha... :-) | 15:24 |
| sc68cal | SridharG: let me try and look up who the maintainer is for keepalived in ubuntu | 15:24 |
| ihrachyshka | WAT | 15:24 |
| ihrachyshka | I mean... what's up? | 15:24 |
| zigo | I'm here. | 15:25 |
| sc68cal | zigo: I thought you were debian though - I try and avoid pinging you about ubuntu so I don't look stupider than I am | 15:25 |
| SridharG | hey zigo... good to see that you package keepalived for Ubuntu. | 15:25 |
| HenryG | I have asked zigo to stop by. Not sure he can help with ubuntu, but he may know who to talk to. | 15:25 |
| zigo | SridharG: s/ubuntu/debian/ | 15:26 |
| zigo | I do everything in Debian, and then Ubuntu guys just pick it up and "sync" from Debian. | 15:26 |
| zigo | For Juno, I did absolutely *all* the Python module dependencies. | 15:26 |
| ihrachyshka | zigo, so briefly, a version bump for keepalived is needed for ipv6 in l3_ha | 15:26 |
| ihrachyshka | zigo, that sounds 'kind' of ubuntu people :| | 15:27 |
| HenryG | keepalived is not python, is it? | 15:27 |
| * sc68cal takes note to buy zigo drinks at summit | 15:27 | |
| ihrachyshka | HenryG, of course not | 15:27 |
| zigo | keepalived is maintained by Alexander Wirt | 15:27 |
| zigo | Not by me. | 15:27 |
| zigo | He's a very active DD, and also taking care of Debian backports. | 15:28 |
| HenryG | A name! Thanks zigo. | 15:28 |
| SridharG | ok cool. thanks zigo | 15:28 |
| sc68cal | I see a LP group too - https://launchpad.net/~keepalived | 15:28 |
| zigo | I'd suggest you open a bug against the keepalived package (severity: wishlist) and ask him to push a new version in Debian Experimental. | 15:28 |
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| zigo | Otherwise, just shoot a mail to formorer@debian.org | 15:29 |
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| zigo | He's also often on IRC (on OFTC, in one of the #debian-* channels, like -devel, and others). | 15:30 |
| SridharG | ok zigo. Thanks for the info, very much appreciated. | 15:30 |
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| sc68cal | +1 thanks zigo | 15:31 |
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| zigo | My pleasure. | 15:32 |
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| HenryG | I would also like to bring up ipv6 testing and documentation | 15:34 |
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| sc68cal | HenryG: floor is yours :) | 15:35 |
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| HenryG | We'll soon have an experimental job that tests with IP_VERSION=4+6 | 15:35 |
| zigo | Answer from foromer on #debian-devel right now: | 15:35 |
| zigo | <formorer> zigo: lets hope 1.2.16 (released today) is better than 1.2.14 and 1.2.15 :) | 15:35 |
| zigo | So I guess he'll do it "soon". | 15:36 |
| sc68cal | HenryG: oh? What about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160856/ ? | 15:36 |
| sc68cal | russellb has been on my case that it should be the default | 15:36 |
| SridharG | Wow!! thanks zigo :-) | 15:37 |
| HenryG | sc68cal: I know, but how long until that gets approved? | 15:37 |
| russellb | what i'd do? | 15:37 |
| sc68cal | russellb: dual stack ipv6 testing - default in devstack | 15:37 |
| russellb | not sure i've been on your case, but i definitely agree :) | 15:38 |
| HenryG | And the folks in this meeting are the choir | 15:38 |
| sc68cal | HenryG: I think it's just a case of actually fixing bugs in Neutron so that it can be merged | 15:39 |
| HenryG | sc68cal: right, and that's where the experimental job can help | 15:39 |
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| HenryG | When dual-stack (a term which some find confusing) is the default, we won't need the experimental job any more | 15:40 |
| sc68cal | HenryG: true - I just recall that I got down the rat hole of making changes to DevStack and DevStack gate due to conversations at the SLC sprint that having an experimental job was not preferred | 15:40 |
| sc68cal | but feel free to propose, maybe since it's not been "easy" we have a datapoint to justify a exp. job | 15:41 |
| HenryG | https://review.openstack.org/167847 | 15:42 |
| HenryG | I would much prefer the devstack default though | 15:42 |
| HenryG | So everyone work on fixing the bugs to make it happen | 15:42 |
| sc68cal | :) | 15:42 |
| haleyb | HenryG: do you have a list of bugs remaining? my latest devstack clone was pretty happy in dual-stack mode | 15:43 |
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| haleyb | i have some cycles to track something down | 15:43 |
| HenryG | I would also like to see functional, api and scenario tests added for the new stuff if there are any gaps | 15:44 |
| sc68cal | I updated the devstack default patch earlier today, but I got bit by the bug at the gate today over a horizon dep | 15:44 |
| sc68cal | that had the gate all messed up | 15:44 |
| HenryG | I did a recheck for ya | 15:44 |
| sc68cal | lol | 15:44 |
| sc68cal | we both just did :) | 15:45 |
| dane_leblanc | Aren't the only remaining bugs listed in this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168063/ | 15:45 |
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| dane_leblanc | One of which is in the process of getting merged? | 15:45 |
| HenryG | dane_leblanc: that's what I am hoping | 15:46 |
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| dboik | HenryG, sc68cal: so https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160856/ should also be updated with those dependencies right? | 15:46 |
| HenryG | sc68cal: can you try that? | 15:47 |
| sc68cal | dboik: HenryG yes that looks correct | 15:47 |
| HenryG | One of the deps is a devstack change | 15:47 |
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| HenryG | https://review.openstack.org/161877 | 15:47 |
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| HenryG | So sc68cal you could rebase on that | 15:48 |
| HenryG | And then add the other three deps in the commit msg | 15:48 |
| sc68cal | sounds good - I'll respin based on this info and add co-authors to share credit | 15:48 |
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| HenryG | excellent | 15:49 |
| HenryG | Finally, docs | 15:49 |
| sc68cal | since you guys did better than I did tracking all the pieces that it needed :) | 15:49 |
| HenryG | We need to get multiple prefix and ipv6 router documented | 15:50 |
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| HenryG | Who has some material, and who/where do we give it to? | 15:50 |
| HenryG | We can check with emagana where it should go | 15:51 |
| sc68cal | It probably could land in the new networking guide | 15:52 |
| sc68cal | there is going to be an ipv6 section | 15:52 |
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| emagana | HenryG & sc68cal: +1 on networking guide! | 15:52 |
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| HenryG | Some small explanations may be needed in the release notes and in the upgrade notes (if there is such a thing) | 15:53 |
| HenryG | That's all from me | 15:53 |
| sc68cal | HenryG: thanks :) | 15:56 |
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| sc68cal | OK everyone, until next week! | 15:58 |
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| sc68cal | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 31 16:00:06 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2015/neutron_ipv6.2015-03-31-15.01.html | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2015/neutron_ipv6.2015-03-31-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2015/neutron_ipv6.2015-03-31-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
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| adrian_otto | we will begin the containers meeting in one moment | 16:02 |
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| thomasem | okey doke | 16:02 |
| adrian_otto | #startmeeting containers | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 31 16:02:22 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 16:02 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2015-03-31_1600_UTC Our Agenda | 16:02 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:02 |
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| diga_ | Digambar Patil | 16:02 |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:02 |
| apmelton | o/ | 16:02 |
| sdake | o/ | 16:02 |
| hongbin | o/ | 16:02 |
| sew1 | o/ | 16:03 |
| sew1 | Steven Wilson | 16:03 |
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| thomasem | Thomas Maddox | 16:03 |
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| adrian_otto | sdake: before I get to the announcements section, are you willing to chair on 4/7 at 2200 UTC? I will be out on that day. | 16:03 |
| juggler | Perry | 16:03 |
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| sdake | adrian_otto ack wfm | 16:03 |
| adrian_otto | tx | 16:04 |
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| Tango|2 | hi | 16:04 |
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| sdake | hey tango | 16:04 |
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| sdake | just the cat I wanted to talk to :) | 16:04 |
| sdake | can you hit me up after the meeting | 16:05 |
| Tango|2 | Hi Steve | 16:05 |
| Tango|2 | sure | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | hello diga, apmelton, hongbin, sew1, thomasem, juggler, sdake, Tango|2 | 16:05 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:05 |
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| adrian_otto | 1) I will be away on 2015-04-07, so sdake has agreed to char for us for our team meeting on that day. | 16:05 |
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| adrian_otto | 2) Elections | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | we will be part of the OpenStack elections for PTL, so we will not be conducting our own election. | 16:06 |
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| adrian_otto | 3) Design Summit | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | Magnum will have it's own "track?" at the Vancouver Design Summit | 16:06 |
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| adrian_otto | soon there will be a call for topics, so keep an eye out for that. I am open to proposals from all of you. I know that container networking would be a good one to put high on the priority list | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | any questions about the announcements above? | 16:07 |
| sdake | agree on container networking | 16:07 |
| sdake | election dates | 16:08 |
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| sdake | when are they ? | 16:08 |
| suro-patz | adrian_otto: I want to volunteer for the container networking | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTL_Elections_April_2015 Election Details | 16:08 |
| sdake | suro-patz y ou have to know what your volunteering for first :) | 16:08 |
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| adrian_otto | sdake: the above link has the specifics about that | 16:08 |
| juggler | sdake lol | 16:08 |
| suro-patz | if you guys can put more description of the problem it will be better | 16:08 |
| sdake | adrian_otto I know the dates was for benefit of others ;) thanks | 16:09 |
| sdake | suro-patz we dont have a better description :) | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | suro-patz: yes, that will be a big deal to get right | 16:09 |
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| adrian_otto | we will need to do a focusing exercise to put a label on our long term vision, and an incremental plan to advance us toward it in small steps | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | but at a very high level, we want it to be easy to link containers across a network in a way that is consistent with other tools | 16:10 |
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| diga_ | yes, that is required now onwards | 16:11 |
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| adrian_otto | any other announcements from team members? | 16:11 |
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| sdake | I got one | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | I will mention for those of you who missed the last meeting... | 16:11 |
| sdake | sorry to cross-spam :) | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | sdake: just one sec | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | Magnum has joined the OpenStack projects list, and has moved from the stackforge git namespace to the openstack git namespace. | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | if you have any questions about that, please see me, and I'd be happy to help. | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | sdake: all yours. | 16:12 |
| sdake | The kolla effort (containerize openstack) has created a new irc channel #kolla - please join if you have interest in containerizing openstack | 16:12 |
| sdake | also python-magnumclient has moved as well :) | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | yes! I should not treat it as a stepchild | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 16:13 |
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| adrian_otto | 1) ACTION: adrian_otto to check to see if Magnum may participate in the April 4 - April 11: PTL elections. (http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-03-24-22.00.log.html#l-261, 22:51:25) | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | Status: Completed. See above. | 16:14 |
| diga_ | sure sdake | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Blueprint/Task Review | 16:14 |
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| adrian_otto | this is the section where we can discuss any blueprint or bug/task ticket | 16:14 |
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| adrian_otto | we have a new blueprint worth mentioning. diga, do you want to present it? | 16:15 |
| diga_ | adrian_otto: you know that work, I think you can initiate | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | ok, getting the link. one sec | 16:16 |
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| diga_ | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/add-glance-image-properties-supporthttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/add-glance-image-properties-support | 16:17 |
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| diga_ | type mstake - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/add-glance-image-properties-support | 16:17 |
| diga_ | see this | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/add-glance-image-properties-support Add Glance Image Properties support for Magnum | 16:17 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, so this is a follow-on from last weeks conversation about BayModel, and expansions on that concept to support multiple bay types | 16:18 |
| sdake | diga_ looks good to me +2 :) | 16:18 |
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| adrian_otto | apmelton has a WIP review up for some work he is doing in this area | 16:18 |
| sdake | defintiion need to go to approved | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | diga agreed to check in with apmelton | 16:19 |
| diga_ | thanks sdake | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | I'm not worried about duplicate work, but if you both know what each is doing, maybe we can avoid nonproductive overlap | 16:19 |
| diga_ | yes adrian_otto | 16:19 |
| apmelton | agreed | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | diga_ and apmelton do you need anything from the team? | 16:20 |
| apmelton | I think the integration point for these pieces is around the cluster_type option, and I haven't really touched that | 16:20 |
| diga_ | I think both of us know our area of work | 16:20 |
| sdake | question diga | 16:20 |
| diga_ | not for now | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | ok, feel free to raise this up if you need further input | 16:20 |
| sdake | once this patch is in, coreos will support what exactly? | 16:20 |
| sdake | the container api or the pod api? | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | sdake: it will allow you to run kubernetes pods (bays) on coreos nodes | 16:21 |
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| diga_ | yes | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | I don't think this reaches the container api | 16:21 |
| sdake | sweet! | 16:22 |
| diga_ | my internet is bit slow :) | 16:22 |
| sdake | i'm super excited to try it out | 16:22 |
| sdake | didn't know coreos integretaed k8s directly | 16:22 |
| sdake | or the template configured it - which is a pita typically :) | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | there is support for coreos in there now, but we want to improve it further before pushing it | 16:22 |
| sdake | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/simplify-api-model | 16:23 |
| sdake | this blueprint will require moving things that are in the api handlers into the rpc handlers | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | aha, yes. | 16:23 |
| sdake | things like "which data to print out" | 16:23 |
| sdake | etc | 16:23 |
| sdake | so ai'm good with it, but it breaks abstraction a bit | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | explain more about the breakage? | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | we'll still have the same abstractions, we are just consolidating the parts they have in common, right? | 16:24 |
| sdake | sec let me find example | 16:24 |
| sdake | same abstractions, storing in their same places in the db, but with one api | 16:25 |
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| sdake | for example this needs to come from the rpc server | 16:25 |
| sdake | https://github.com/openstack/magnum/blob/master/magnum/api/controllers/v1/pod.py#L72 | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | that's fine with me. Does anyone else have concerns about that? | 16:26 |
| sdake | there are *many* more exmples | 16:26 |
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| sdake | but it means our rpc api will become a bit more complex | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | are there other approaches we should consider? | 16:26 |
| sdake | not sure - might be able to walk the object list - not certain how the versioned jobjects interacts with the rest api | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | having a complex RPC API really only means that it's more difficult to extend Magnum as a Magnum developer | 16:27 |
| sdake | they are meant to be a 1:1 mapping | 16:27 |
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| sdake | well we are talking 2-3 more extra calls | 16:27 |
| sdake | so its not deadly | 16:27 |
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| sdake | for example I need a "get_fields_unset" api call | 16:27 |
| sdake | (I think?) | 16:28 |
| sdake | another option is to store those fields in the db | 16:28 |
| apmelton | so the point of this is to unset fields for non-detail calls? | 16:28 |
| hongbin | sdake: maybe store them under 'extra' field | 16:28 |
| sdake | I"m not sure, I'll have to sort it out | 16:29 |
| apmelton | like list calls? | 16:29 |
| sdake | apmelton right | 16:29 |
| sdake | but there are other parts of the api which are model specific | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | so wait a sec | 16:29 |
| sdake | and only the parser (in the rpc handler) knows about | 16:29 |
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| adrian_otto | the reason we are contemplating this to begin with is to simplify the object model, right? | 16:29 |
| sdake | the api model | 16:30 |
| sdake | the object model as is rocks | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | and to get that simplification, we need to add complexity to the RPC API | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | are we actually reducing the overall complexity, or just moving it around? | 16:30 |
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| adrian_otto | api, model, thanks. | 16:30 |
| sdake | moving it around away from where the user sees it to where they dont see it (abstraction) | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so net benefit to API users | 16:31 |
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| sdake | I just want to be cleear upfront | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I'm happy with that. Any further discussion on this sub-topic? | 16:32 |
| sdake | after digging into this problem for awhile | 16:32 |
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| sdake | I am not sure if it is even possible to do - and maintain versioned objectss support | 16:32 |
| sdake | imo versioned objects is more important then simplifiying the pai | 16:32 |
| sdake | api | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | agreed | 16:33 |
| apmelton | +1 | 16:33 |
| sdake | so if Iget to the point when I know it wont work | 16:33 |
| sdake | we may have to abandon the spec | 16:33 |
| sdake | I'm just not sure yet | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | ok, cool | 16:33 |
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| juggler | re | 16:34 |
| sdake | I wanted to talk about tango|2's blueprint | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | ok | 16:34 |
| sdake | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/external-lb | 16:35 |
| Tango|2 | yep | 16:35 |
| sdake | can you give us a progress update - at the summit it sounded like k8s changed how all this works | 16:35 |
| sdake | sorry midcycle | 16:35 |
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| sdake | and I've heard that from others as well | 16:35 |
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| Tango|2 | I am just starting on this, had to clear a number of things on my plate before diving into Magnum | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | oh, I failed to mention that Mark Collier (re) introduced me to the project manager for Kubernetes, Greg Mcluckie. We are having a concall on Friday morning on the topic of Kubernetes and OpenStack working together better. | 16:37 |
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| adrian_otto | if there is anything I can bring to the agenda to help us, please let me know. | 16:37 |
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| Tango|2 | but you did mention that it changes, so I am going through the new details | 16:37 |
| Tango|2 | My plate is clear now, so I will be focusing on the blueprint | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | ok, Tango|2 is there any chance you will have a look at it before friday morning? | 16:39 |
| Tango|2 | yes, I am working on it now | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | I can probably connect you directly with the person(s) working on that in k8s | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | in case you have any questions | 16:39 |
| Tango|2 | that would be very helpful | 16:39 |
| diga_ | adrian_otto: good to know | 16:39 |
| sdake | #google-containers irc channel is best way to reach the devs | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I'll be sure to ask about that | 16:39 |
| sdake | i recommend everyone add it to their irc clients ;) | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | thanks sdake. Good suggestion. | 16:40 |
| juggler | +1 sdake | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | We have a bunch of blueprints in New status | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | I plan to start looking through all those this week | 16:41 |
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| adrian_otto | so if there are ones you take an interest in, please subscribe and we can start fleshing them out a bit | 16:41 |
| sdake | adrian_otto I added the secure kubernetes blueprint to the cycle | 16:41 |
| sdake | but it looks like it got unadded | 16:41 |
| sdake | a yahoo cat was going to work on it | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | hummm | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I will put that one at the top of my list | 16:42 |
| sdake | has to do with adding tls support to client/server | 16:42 |
| sdake | seems essential to me | 16:42 |
| sdake | if we have the bandwidth to do the job | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | yeah, that's a good one | 16:42 |
| sdake | he was looking for a 40-80 hr blueprint to work on | 16:43 |
| sdake | and that seemed to fit the bill :) | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | does it also include some solution the key management? | 16:43 |
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| sdake | we have to add the client keys to the db in some way | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | generating the client cert, and putting the corresponding parts on the remote? | 16:43 |
| sdake | and automate the key transfer is python-k8sclient | 16:43 |
| sdake | not sure if madhuri knows if tl supported in the work she is doing or not | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | madhuri should be at our next meeting, I think. | 16:44 |
| sdake | adrian_otto yup that is my thinking of how it shoud work | 16:44 |
| sdake | ya middle of night for her - but like her work so far! | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | yes, that would be a solid feature | 16:44 |
| sdake | if tl/if tls | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | sdake: +1 she has been doing very good work | 16:45 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, I'm planning to enter OpenDiscussion in a moment, but before we do, are there any other work items that need team discussion today? | 16:45 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 16:46 |
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| sdake | so lets just congratulate ourselves one more time for incubation 2.0 :) | 16:46 |
| * adrian_otto applause | 16:47 | |
| sdake | its so huge, its not even funny :) | 16:47 |
| apmelton | \o/ | 16:47 |
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| juggler | yea! | 16:47 |
| sdake | next step is tagging | 16:47 |
| thomasem | winning! | 16:47 |
| apmelton | http://i.imgur.com/YqhPmjQ.gif | 16:47 |
| thomasem | ^^ +1 | 16:47 |
| sdake | apmelton epic movie :) | 16:47 |
| sdake | anchorman ftw | 16:48 |
| apmelton | :D | 16:48 |
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| adrian_otto | I am happy to see new contributors streaming in… we now have 35 engineers who have merged code in our repo… representing 19+ affiliations | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | that's reviewers… let me revise for committers | 16:49 |
| diga_ | its a party time for magnum team :) | 16:49 |
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| adrian_otto | 32 engineers from 17+ affiliations | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | and the trend I am seing is that these are not just OpenStack contributors migrating over from other projects… these are new contributors joining the OpenStack ecosystem | 16:50 |
| sdake | growing openstack atc = winning :) | 16:50 |
| diga_ | :) | 16:50 |
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| adrian_otto | so for all of you who have joined us recently, we are happy to have you! | 16:51 |
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| adrian_otto | how do you all feel we are doing with review throughput | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | do you feel like you are getting helpful feedback on your work in a timely fashion? | 16:52 |
| apmelton | definitely | 16:52 |
| juggler | yes | 16:52 |
| sdake | review throughput is very fast in this project | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | and are we efficiently merging code that you think is ready? (not putting you through revision patchset hell) | 16:53 |
| sdake | fastest I have ever seen in any project | 16:53 |
| diga_ | agreed | 16:53 |
| sdake | I have something a bit controversial | 16:54 |
| sdake | to discuss | 16:54 |
| sdake | I'm finding it harder and harder to keep track of development | 16:54 |
| sdake | the way projects solve these problems is through the specs process | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | yes, I think it's healthy, but we can still check for areas to improve | 16:54 |
| sdake | I think its too early in magnum's lifecycle to do spec | 16:54 |
| sdake | but we might want to think about it towards the end of liberty | 16:54 |
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| adrian_otto | sdake, so one idea might be to have a weekly review of merged code in the team meeting, or on the ML | 16:55 |
| sdake | so around l3 - possibly introduce specs | 16:55 |
| sdake | with the idea we will do specs in M | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | so you could get some picture of what's happening week by week if you're not doing reviews every day | 16:55 |
| sdake | just a thought :) | 16:55 |
| sdake | I do reviews every day | 16:56 |
| adrian_otto | so what's the visibility you feel is missing? | 16:56 |
| sdake | and can't keep up with development - this causes the core reviewers to lose context | 16:56 |
| adrian_otto | is it that we merge it before you see it? | 16:56 |
| sdake | the reviews happen so fast I miss ones that hit the repo | 16:56 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I understand | 16:56 |
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| adrian_otto | so what about a summary? | 16:57 |
| sdake | sounds like a pita to maintain :) | 16:57 |
| sdake | I can live with it for now | 16:57 |
| sdake | but I expect by end of liberty we will have 100atcs | 16:57 |
| sdake | one hundred that is | 16:57 |
| sdake | and that was hard to handle for heat | 16:57 |
| sdake | (the context maintenance) | 16:57 |
| sdake | in retrospect I wish for heat we had a specs process when our atcs hit the 100 mark | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | and that slows down velocity | 16:58 |
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| sdake | specs does slow down veloicty | 16:58 |
| sdake | so not proposing for liberty | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | I will think on that further | 16:58 |
| sdake | but possiby end of liberty | 16:58 |
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| sdake | ya everyone giveit some thought | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | ok, we can talka bout that at the summit too maybe | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | we have a few minutes left | 16:59 |
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| adrian_otto | our next meeting is 2015-04-07 at 2200 UTC. sdake will chair. Enjoy! | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 31 17:00:30 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-03-31-16.02.html | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-03-31-16.02.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-03-31-16.02.log.html | 17:00 |
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| serg_melikyan | #startmeeting murani | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 31 17:00:49 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is serg_melikyan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| serg_melikyan | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murani' | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 31 17:00:53 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murani/2015/murani.2015-03-31-17.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murani/2015/murani.2015-03-31-17.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murani/2015/murani.2015-03-31-17.00.log.html | 17:01 |
| serg_melikyan | #startmeeting murano | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 31 17:01:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is serg_melikyan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:01 |
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| * serg_melikyan is quite inaccurate | 17:01 | |
| serg_melikyan | Hi o/ | 17:01 |
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| henar | hi | 17:02 |
| ativelkov | o/ | 17:02 |
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| StanLagun | hi | 17:02 |
| aderyugin | Hi ^^ | 17:02 |
| freerunner | o/ | 17:03 |
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| serg_melikyan | #topic Action Items Review | 17:04 |
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| katyafervent | hi | 17:05 |
| serg_melikyan | #1, sergmelikyan, send e-mail describing roadmap planning procedure | 17:05 |
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| serg_melikyan | We have only one item for this AI Review on me :) | 17:05 |
| serg_melikyan | It's done :) | 17:05 |
| serg_melikyan | Folks, any questions regarding process? | 17:05 |
| serg_melikyan | henar: I believe you had some questions? I was no able to responds earlier | 17:06 |
| henar | yes, it is not clear for me how to add new features.. | 17:06 |
| henar | in lanchpad, by mail..? | 17:06 |
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| serg_melikyan | henar: Step #1 - file blueprint with core of your idea in launchpad | 17:07 |
| henar | yes | 17:08 |
| serg_melikyan | Step #2 - validate idea on nearest community meeting | 17:08 |
| henar | ok, perfect I will do it so that we can discuss in next community meeting | 17:08 |
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| serg_melikyan | Step #3 - Initiate discussions in IRC/E-mail if idea is valid, but people had number of questions regarding this feature | 17:08 |
| ativelkov | serg_melikyan: I would say that the spec review is the best place for such discussions | 17:09 |
| serg_melikyan | Step #4 - Start writing specification for this feature and discuss this feature in Review | 17:09 |
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| henar | ok | 17:10 |
| serg_melikyan | ativelkov, henar, agree - maybe it's better to have discussion in Spec itself | 17:10 |
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| serg_melikyan | leaving out e-mail for technical discussions | 17:11 |
| ativelkov | And I'd say that you don't need to wait for the whole week for the community meeting just to validate the idea: ping any of us in IRC at any moment, and if the idea seems valid, just start drafting the spec. All the discussions may (and should) happen in the review of the spec. It's better to keep them in one place | 17:12 |
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| serg_melikyan | Once more time - agree :) | 17:12 |
| henar | thanks | 17:12 |
| katyafervent | What about bug scrub day? Did we get some result? | 17:13 |
| katyafervent | It's time to assign bugs and fix them! | 17:13 |
| kzaitsev | katyafervent I think I fixed one bug =) | 17:14 |
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| serg_melikyan | katyafervent: I would say it went pretty quite unfortunately - as bug liaison - do you feel that we had great bug-scrub day? | 17:15 |
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| serg_melikyan | We definitely need to cover all High and Critical bugs in RC1 (April 9). | 17:16 |
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| serg_melikyan | henar: I think at least merging Configuration Language implementation is going well, except CI issues :( | 17:18 |
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| serg_melikyan | #topic CI Issues | 17:19 |
| henar | CI job doesn't work, does it? | 17:19 |
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| serg_melikyan | henar: today Horizon broke all DSVM jobs in whole OpenStack including ours | 17:19 |
| katyafervent | serg_melikyan, no, but we should have concrete aim before bug-scrub bug :) | 17:19 |
| StanLagun | henar, there is one more thing that need to be done for configuration languages: increment version in execution plans | 17:19 |
| henar | ok | 17:19 |
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| katyafervent | so now since it's feature freeze, we have time on bug fixing | 17:20 |
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| serg_melikyan | katyafervent: like? | 17:20 |
| serg_melikyan | https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1438543 | 17:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1438543 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "wrong package name 'XStatic-Angular-Irdragndrop' in horizon/requirements.txt" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Rob Cresswell (robcresswell) | 17:20 |
| serg_melikyan | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169132/ | 17:20 |
| serg_melikyan | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169133/ | 17:20 |
| serg_melikyan | This is bug and two proposed fixes for issue with DSVM jobs | 17:21 |
| serg_melikyan | henar: ^ | 17:21 |
| serg_melikyan | We also have issue with Horizon and Django 1.7 | 17:21 |
| katyafervent | like find first 10 bugs that should be fixed and investigating one or another areas for bugs | 17:21 |
| serg_melikyan | In few days before release - Horizon decided to switch to Django 1.7 :( | 17:21 |
| serg_melikyan | And this is also causing CI issues | 17:21 |
| kzaitsev | dsvm jobs have been unlocked for a couple of hours already. | 17:22 |
| serg_melikyan | katyafervent: we have more than 70 bugs to be fixed in launchpad - you think we should create another list with bugs? | 17:22 |
| serg_melikyan | kzaitsev: awesome! | 17:22 |
| kzaitsev | The wrongly-named package have been restored, and we reverified all the packages, that failed because of it I think | 17:22 |
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| kzaitsev | or almost all. | 17:23 |
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| kzaitsev | But we still have some wierd CI issues with ci jobs not being run. We have a commit, that supposedly should fix django 1.7 (it ended up being a very small change) but it is not checked by the ci =/ | 17:25 |
| kzaitsev | hope we'll be able to fix the issues soon | 17:25 |
| katyafervent | serg_melikyan, no, but we need to pick and prioritize them | 17:25 |
| katyafervent | it's can be done on real-time in irc | 17:25 |
| serg_melikyan | I think we should do this regularly without specific date for that | 17:25 |
| katyafervent | we should pick couple of hours, go online and concentrate all our attention | 17:26 |
| serg_melikyan | kzaitsev: you are talking about integration jobs on Murano CI? | 17:26 |
| kzaitsev | serg_melikyan: exactly them. | 17:26 |
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| serg_melikyan | freerunner: ^ | 17:27 |
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| freerunner | serg_melikyan: ageryugin is working on this | 17:28 |
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| kzaitsev | katyafervent lets do it on a random day throughout the week than! =) like let's do it tomorrow for example =) I've commented on a couple of bugs during bug scrub day, that seem unreproducable. | 17:29 |
| freerunner | serg_melikyan: As I know, the CI should already working. | 17:29 |
| kzaitsev | freerunner yay! =) | 17:29 |
| kzaitsev | That means we'll most likely fix all our issues soon enough. =) | 17:29 |
| freerunner | kzaitsev: Sure! =) | 17:30 |
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| serg_melikyan | #topic Open Discussion | 17:32 |
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| serg_melikyan | What other questions we have to discuss today? | 17:33 |
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| serg_melikyan | Thank you for todays meeting! | 17:36 |
| serg_melikyan | #endmeeting | 17:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 31 17:36:51 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-03-31-17.01.html | 17:36 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 21:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 31 21:03:54 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 21:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 21:03 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2015-03-31_2100_UTC Our Agenda | 21:04 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 21:04 | |
| james_li | james li | 21:04 |
| datsun180b | ed cranford | 21:04 |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 21:04 |
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| kebray | Ketih Bray | 21:04 |
| muralia | murali allada | 21:04 |
| devkulkarni | devdatta kulkarni | 21:04 |
| gpilz | Gilbert Pilz | 21:04 |
| adrian_otto | hello james_li, datsun180b, kebray, muralia, devkulkarni, gpilz | 21:05 |
| mkam | Melissa Kam | 21:05 |
| adrian_otto | hello mkam | 21:05 |
| muralia | o/ | 21:05 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 21:05 |
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| adrian_otto | 1) adrian_otto will be away on 2015-04-07. Devdatta has graciously agreed to char for us on that day. | 21:05 |
| adrian_otto | any other announcements from team members? (we will touch on PTL election further down in the agenda) | 21:06 |
| datsun180b | nothing here | 21:07 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Joining OpenStack | 21:07 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, Solum was started in October of 2013 | 21:07 |
| devkulkarni | I know that we had started out with that intention | 21:07 |
| adrian_otto | soon after we polled the contributors and asked if we would like to pursue incubation | 21:07 |
| adrian_otto | and that question was answered with a resounding YES | 21:08 |
| adrian_otto | since then, the governance process for OpenStack has evolved | 21:08 |
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| adrian_otto | and we are at a point now where we are in perfect qualification for inclusion into the OpenStack project list | 21:08 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: do you have a list of things that the TC look at somewhere handy? | 21:09 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/governance/tree/reference/new-projects-requirements.rst Requirements for new OpenStack Projects applications | 21:09 |
| devkulkarni | thank you | 21:09 |
| adrian_otto | if we applied, there is a very good chance of acceptance. | 21:09 |
| devkulkarni | what are current views on application-layer projects like solum? | 21:10 |
| devkulkarni | I know that there was some push back sometime back | 21:10 |
| adrian_otto | the question is if the current contributors are still interested in this. I have recently advanced the Magnum project through this process, and I'm willing to repeat it for Solum | 21:10 |
| adrian_otto | that attitude has changed | 21:10 |
| adrian_otto | we (as OpenStack) now believe in a "Big Tent" approach | 21:11 |
| adrian_otto | which strives to be more inclusive and encourage the community to grow and thrive | 21:11 |
| devkulkarni | I see.. | 21:11 |
| adrian_otto | it would commit us to remaining true to the four opens described in the link I posted above | 21:11 |
| gpilz | adrian: are you looking to resolve this issue today? | 21:12 |
| muralia | Are there any other projects, other than Solum, that fall into the application layer/Top layer | 21:12 |
| adrian_otto | it would also allow us to be part of the OpenStack elections rather than potentially holding our own | 21:12 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: what about dependencies on projects that may not be yet in the big tent? | 21:12 |
| adrian_otto | Murano was recently included. It's a bit different, but that may be a point of discussion. | 21:12 |
| muralia | ok | 21:12 |
| devkulkarni | I know that Solum does not have such dependency right now | 21:13 |
| adrian_otto | all of our libraries must have open source licenses that allow for redistribution | 21:13 |
| devkulkarni | but by being in the big tent would it restrict us in the future? | 21:13 |
| adrian_otto | maturity of the softwaere is not indicated by inclusion into the Big Tent, It is handled by a TAG. | 21:13 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/governance/tree/reference/tags OpenStack Project Tags | 21:14 |
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| adrian_otto | so upon initial inclusion, Solum would have no tags | 21:14 |
| kebray | devkulkarni, the choicei to fork and run will always be there. So, there's always an unrestrivite (albeit unopen) way to go. | 21:14 |
| devkulkarni | so, to just take an example, we could depend on mistral even though it may not yet be in the big tent | 21:14 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: yes, that dependency is a question | 21:15 |
| adrian_otto | we don't know yet whether that will be an issue | 21:15 |
| devkulkarni | ok | 21:15 |
| adrian_otto | Mistral may be applying as well, in which case that may tie acceptance together. | 21:15 |
| adrian_otto | or we might need to carve it our of Solum. | 21:15 |
| adrian_otto | *out | 21:15 |
| devkulkarni | sure. what about diversity? | 21:16 |
| adrian_otto | again, diversity is a tag | 21:16 |
| devkulkarni | I don't see any specific point regarding that in the new-projects-requirements.txt | 21:16 |
| adrian_otto | so it is not required for inclusion, whereas it was required for incubation | 21:16 |
| adrian_otto | incubation no longer exists. | 21:16 |
| devkulkarni | oh okay. | 21:16 |
| devkulkarni | and once in the big tent we will have to follow the release cycle, right? | 21:17 |
| adrian_otto | no, actually we don;t | 21:17 |
| adrian_otto | we only need to follow the release cycle if we seek the integrated-release tag | 21:17 |
| adrian_otto | and in all honesty the chance of that for any new project is very slim | 21:17 |
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| devkulkarni | okay.. | 21:18 |
| adrian_otto | so, I'll pose the question to the present contributors | 21:18 |
| adrian_otto | would you like to join OpenStack? | 21:18 |
| devkulkarni | on the face of it I don't see any issues not to go that route .. do we need to make the decision today or can come back to it when you are back the week after? | 21:19 |
| gpilz | I would appreciate some time to discuss this with my colleagues | 21:19 |
| adrian_otto | or would you like to table the question and revisit it after you have more time to consider it? | 21:19 |
| gpilz | one week? | 21:19 |
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| adrian_otto | I'm happy to revisit it later | 21:19 |
| devkulkarni | table it for two weeks.. pick it up after you are back | 21:19 |
| adrian_otto | that will be the summit | 21:20 |
| gpilz | +1 | 21:20 |
| datsun180b | sounds good | 21:20 |
| adrian_otto | wait, let me check this calendar | 21:20 |
| gpilz | summit is in may | 21:20 |
| gpilz | we're still in march | 21:20 |
| datsun180b | barely | 21:20 |
| adrian_otto | yes, that will work, 2 weeks. | 21:20 |
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| gpilz | i know calendar arithmetic is tricky but … | 21:20 |
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| adrian_otto | I will record an action item to put it on the (not next but following) agenda | 21:21 |
| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to add Joining OpenStack as an agenda item for 2015-04-14 team meeting | 21:21 |
| adrian_otto | ok | 21:22 |
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| adrian_otto | next up is | 21:22 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Solum PTL Election | 21:22 |
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| adrian_otto | last week I had proposed using a private email to contributors to indicate candidacy announcement during this meeting | 21:22 |
| adrian_otto | after further consideration, I decided not to act on that agreement because it did not feel right to me | 21:23 |
| adrian_otto | I dod not think it was transparent enough, and I wanted to revisit it with you to find something that we can agree on as an open and transparent call for candidacy | 21:23 |
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| adrian_otto | and I think I have a good idea of how to do that. | 21:23 |
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| adrian_otto | in the past, Solum's calls for candidacy have followed the close of the OpenStack elections | 21:24 |
| adrian_otto | one such election is coming up: | 21:24 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTL_Elections_April_2015 OpenStack Election | 21:24 |
| adrian_otto | now.. | 21:24 |
| adrian_otto | there is a problem with Stackforge projects from the perspective of OpenStack | 21:25 |
| adrian_otto | they all need to coordinate and hold their own elections | 21:25 |
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| adrian_otto | and if they all announce elections *before* the OpenStack election, that can lead to fatigue and possible confusion within the electorate | 21:25 |
| devkulkarni | makes sense | 21:26 |
| adrian_otto | voters may think elections have passed when they have not | 21:26 |
| adrian_otto | and that results in a depressed voter turnout for the official election | 21:26 |
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| adrian_otto | and that's a serious problem because if we have < 10% turnout (we are very close) the election may not count | 21:26 |
| adrian_otto | and that's a real PITA to deal with | 21:26 |
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| adrian_otto | so my suggestion is that we repeat exactly what we did last time | 21:27 |
| adrian_otto | Proposed candidacy April 16-22, and Election (if needed) April 23-29. | 21:27 |
| adrian_otto | that opens candidacy after the OpenStack election closes | 21:27 |
| kebray | adrian_otto, when voting for PTL, is it only contributors to that project that can vote, or can any OpenStack contributor vote? | 21:27 |
| adrian_otto | for us the electorate is contributors over the past two releases | 21:28 |
| kebray | contributors to just Solum, or any OpenStack project? | 21:28 |
| adrian_otto | Solum only | 21:28 |
| adrian_otto | there are 19 of you | 21:28 |
| adrian_otto | including me | 21:28 |
| kebray | ok... and, we need 10% of contributors for past two cycles to turn out, correct? | 21:28 |
| adrian_otto | no | 21:28 |
| adrian_otto | so in our case | 21:28 |
| adrian_otto | if we hold a candidacy, and there are no new candidates, the incumbent remains in service | 21:29 |
| adrian_otto | if there is at least one new candidate, there is an election | 21:29 |
| adrian_otto | in the case of an election, the candidate with the most votes wins, unless there is a tie | 21:29 |
| adrian_otto | in that case there is a tie breaking formula used | 21:29 |
| adrian_otto | only OpenStack has the 10% threshold | 21:30 |
| adrian_otto | in our case 2 voters would meet that anyway, so it's a nonissue | 21:30 |
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| kebray | Ok, got it. thanks! | 21:30 |
| adrian_otto | further… | 21:30 |
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| adrian_otto | I suggest that we use the openstack-dev mailing list to announce calls for candidacy | 21:31 |
| adrian_otto | and that we post it on our Wiki page | 21:31 |
| adrian_otto | that way there is a clear indication that Solum selects it's own leadership | 21:31 |
| devkulkarni | this approach makes sense.. especially if we are planning to approach the big tent | 21:32 |
| adrian_otto | the procedure we agreed on in our last meeting would fail to meet that objective, as the public would not be able to see what is happening | 21:32 |
| adrian_otto | ok, any thoughts about this? | 21:33 |
| adrian_otto | opposing viewpoint | 21:33 |
| adrian_otto | I owe you an apology for not following through with my agreed action, but I feel it was the right thing to do. | 21:34 |
| devkulkarni | I think this is a good plan | 21:34 |
| muralia | +1 | 21:34 |
| kebray | +1.. .good plan. | 21:34 |
| james_li | +1 | 21:34 |
| gpilz | +1 | 21:34 |
| datsun180b | sounds fine | 21:34 |
| adrian_otto | ok, let me record this with an #agreed | 21:35 |
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| adrian_otto | #agreed Solum will hold its own PTL election if needed. Lack of any new candidates will result in continued service by the current PTL. Call for candidates to be sent out on openstack-dev ML with [Solum] topic tag. Candidacy Window April 16-22, and Election (if needed) April 23-29. | 21:36 |
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| adrian_otto | Anita Kuno will be the election official, as she has no stake in this election | 21:37 |
| adrian_otto | ok? | 21:37 |
| devkulkarni | +1 | 21:37 |
| adrian_otto | I can still undo the above agreed if I did not get it just right | 21:37 |
| muralia | sure | 21:37 |
| kebray | looks good. | 21:37 |
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| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to announce candidacy window to openstack-dev on April 15th before 12:00 AM April 16th US/Pacific. | 21:38 |
| adrian_otto | #undo | 21:39 |
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| adrian_otto | that should be UTC | 21:39 |
| adrian_otto | adrian_otto to announce candidacy window to openstack-dev on April 15th before 12:00 AM April 16th UTC | 21:39 |
| adrian_otto | thanks everyone, I know all this governance business can be exhausting | 21:39 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Tagging or next release | 21:40 |
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| adrian_otto | so I think soon we will be ready to bundle up a release… possibly later this week. | 21:40 |
| adrian_otto | that will come in handy to aid in any potential OpenStack governance proposal | 21:40 |
| adrian_otto | thought about that? I think the CLI changes are the bits worth waiting for, right? | 21:41 |
| devkulkarni | yes | 21:41 |
| datsun180b | there shouldn't be much more but onesie fixes there | 21:41 |
| adrian_otto | ok, if you let me know when you think it's ready, I'm happy to go ahead with it | 21:42 |
| datsun180b | for the api i think i've got a little more validation to add, but not a lot of heavy lifting | 21:42 |
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| adrian_otto | that's great! | 21:42 |
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| adrian_otto | any more on this topic? | 21:43 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 21:43 |
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| adrian_otto | (none) | 21:43 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 21:43 |
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| adrian_otto | I skipped task review | 21:44 |
| adrian_otto | sorry about that… creature of habit. | 21:44 |
| adrian_otto | do we have work items to discuss as a team today? | 21:44 |
| adrian_otto | If not, you are welcome to raise other topics. | 21:44 |
| datsun180b | nothing on fire | 21:44 |
| devkulkarni | that's right. | 21:45 |
| adrian_otto | how are we doing with core reviewers | 21:45 |
| devkulkarni | oh on that topic.. | 21:45 |
| adrian_otto | should we be seeking any more? | 21:45 |
| devkulkarni | did you get a chance to reach out to the inactive cores? | 21:45 |
| adrian_otto | no, I did not | 21:46 |
| adrian_otto | that might make sense just after the upcoming release | 21:46 |
| datsun180b | we have about 8 tasks open now, and they're all started by core, and the oldest update is the 11th of this month | 21:46 |
| adrian_otto | so they can have something to refresh with | 21:46 |
| datsun180b | i think we've got a pretty good balance at present | 21:46 |
| devkulkarni | sure. | 21:46 |
| datsun180b | ah, there's one by dimtruck, overlooked that with tired eyes | 21:47 |
| dimtruck | :) | 21:47 |
| datsun180b | and we know why that's delayed | 21:47 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, I do have one other topic for open discussion… | 21:49 |
| adrian_otto | Open Cloud Ecosystem replaces the "other project track" at the OpenStack Design Summit. | 21:50 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2015/open-cloud-ecosystem Open Cloud Ecosystem | 21:50 |
| adrian_otto | I am planning to apply on behalf of Solum, if you all agree that makes sense. Thoughts? | 21:50 |
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| muralia | +1 | 21:51 |
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| kebray | Yes. Please do. | 21:51 |
| devkulkarni | sure | 21:51 |
| muralia | i guessing nothing else other than the name of the program has changed. | 21:51 |
| adrian_otto | it's putting other projects at an arms length | 21:52 |
| adrian_otto | the Open Cloud Ecosystem Lounge is different | 21:52 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: I am confused about one thing.. there seem to be already some talks scheduled #link https://openstacksummitmay2015vancouver.sched.org/overview/type/related+oss+projects#.VRsXCjvF-Hl | 21:53 |
| adrian_otto | BoF sessions are slightly different | 21:53 |
| adrian_otto | that's the #1 item in the list. Those are general session tracts. Call for participation closed in February. I submitted Solum, but it was not selected. | 21:53 |
| devkulkarni | oh! you will be submitting to the lounge or BoF | 21:54 |
| adrian_otto | Lounge and BoF I think. | 21:55 |
| adrian_otto | in the past we did what is now called Collaboration Days with a half day session | 21:55 |
| adrian_otto | I don't think enough of us are attending to justify that. | 21:56 |
| adrian_otto | but I could be persuaded otherwise. | 21:56 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, should we wrap up for today? | 21:57 |
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| datsun180b | think so | 21:57 |
| devkulkarni | its almost time | 21:58 |
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| adrian_otto | our next meeting will be 2015-04-07 at 2100 UTC, chair will be devkulkarni. Take care! | 21:58 |
| datsun180b | thanks as always for running the show | 21:58 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 21:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 31 21:58:22 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-03-31-21.03.html | 21:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-03-31-21.03.txt | 21:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-03-31-21.03.log.html | 21:58 |
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