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| baoli | Hello there | 13:00 |
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| moshele | hi | 13:01 |
| baoli | moshele: Hi | 13:02 |
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| baoli | we haven't had the SR-IOV meeting for a while. Anything that people would like to bring up for discussion? | 13:05 |
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| moshele | I think we should talk about liberty | 13:07 |
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| moshele | I guess we need to push all the bp that were reject in kilo | 13:08 |
| baoli | moshele: yes. start a new etherpad, maybe | 13:08 |
| moshele | agree | 13:09 |
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| baoli | good amount information in the old etherpad should be useful | 13:09 |
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| baoli | I have seen that John Garbutt has reopened a couple of the blueprints for Liberty. | 13:10 |
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| moshele | yes I also hope the mellanox nova CI will be ready next month | 13:12 |
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| baoli | moshele: that would be great. what is the coverage going to be? | 13:14 |
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| moshele | we plan to run all scenarios tests with port direct and mellanox spacial vm | 13:17 |
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| moshele | scenarios tests in tempest | 13:17 |
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| baoli | moshele, that sounds great. It would make it easy to have BPs approved. | 13:22 |
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| moshele | baoli: It seems it just you and me today, I think we just need to meet on the summit and prepare the etherpad, most of it will be the rejected kilo features. | 13:40 |
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| baoli | moshele: agreed | 13:46 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting containers | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 14 16:01:03 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2015-04-14_1600_UTC Our Agenda | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:01 |
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| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:01 |
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| jay-lau-513_ | jay-lau-513 | 16:01 |
| rpothier | Rob Pothier | 16:01 |
| Tango | Ton Ngo | 16:01 |
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| juggler | Perry | 16:02 |
| apmelton | Andrew Melton | 16:02 |
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| adrian_otto | hello jay-lau-513_, rpothier, Tango, juggler, and apmelton | 16:02 |
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| hongbin | o/ | 16:03 |
| adrian_otto | hi hongbin | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | we will begin in just a moment | 16:04 |
| jjlehr | Janek Lehr | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | hi jjlehr | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | OpenStack Design Summit, Vancouver | 16:05 |
| Fang_fenghua_ | o/ | 16:05 |
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| adrian_otto | Magnum has been allocated a number of slots for design sessions, in different formats | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | we have the "fishbowl" sessions that are set up for large audience participation (stadium seating) | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | and we have a workroom format that is a boardroom seating format | 16:06 |
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| adrian_otto | that is intended for smaller audiences, and for active contributors to work through current issues. | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | I will be working with you to match our topics with those session slots | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | note that the "fishbowl" sessions will appear on the ODS program schedule | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | and the others don't | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | any questions so far? | 16:07 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, great. | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | we are approaching the end of the Kilo cycle now | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | so we should converge on a time to cut another Kilo release | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | I'd like to do that soon. I'd like to get your input on any "must have" features that still need to land prior to cutting the release. | 16:09 |
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| adrian_otto | thoughts on any work-in-progress that we feel is important enough to hold up a release in order to fit it in? | 16:09 |
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| apmelton | I'd say the docker conductor actually using swarm bays is pretty important | 16:10 |
| hongbin | +1 | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | thanks apmelton. What's our outlook on the timing of code completion for that feature? | 16:10 |
| jay-lau-513_ | apmelton can you show the bp link? | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | I can add it later in the agenda if that's an involved update | 16:11 |
| apmelton | jay-lau-513_: let me grab that | 16:11 |
| Fang_fenghua_ | +1 | 16:11 |
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| apmelton | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-docker-backend-selection | 16:11 |
| apmelton | adrian_otto: yes, it'll be a more involved update | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | hi sdake and Fang_fenghua_ | 16:12 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, I will re-raise it in BP/Task discussion. | 16:12 |
| jay-lau-513_ | apmelton, yes, I was asking a question in ML, hope can get some comments from you | 16:12 |
| apmelton | jay-lau-513_: I'll check it out | 16:12 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, that concludes prepared announcements. Any announcements from team members? | 16:13 |
| hongbin | I have one | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | proceed hongbin | 16:13 |
| hongbin | I am on vacation this friday | 16:13 |
| jay-lau-513_ | apmelton just search How to use docker-swarm bay in magnum | 16:13 |
| hongbin | in two weeks | 16:13 |
| hongbin | period :) | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | so you will be away for two weeks starting on 2015-05-17? | 16:13 |
| hongbin | yes | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | I mean 2014-04-17 | 16:14 |
| jjlehr | Is this what you are looking for apmelton? | 16:14 |
| jjlehr | https://github.com/openstack/magnum/tree/master/magnum/templates/docker-swarm | 16:14 |
| sdake_ | o/ | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | ok, thanks for the heads-up on that | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | we will do our best to help you close out any open reviews prior to 4/17 | 16:14 |
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| adrian_otto | so team: | 16:14 |
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| adrian_otto | If you plan on being away | 16:14 |
| hongbin | andrian_otto: thx | 16:14 |
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| adrian_otto | and you have code under review that does not merge prior to your departure... | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | please consider using the "Abandoned" state for such a review | 16:15 |
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| sdake_ | sorry was late, just read through scrollback - questionabout sessions, how many do we have to feel? | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | you can being it back again when you return | 16:15 |
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| adrian_otto | sdake: I will revisit that in Open Dicsussion | 16:15 |
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| sdake_ | hongbin is horiontal scale going to finishby friday? | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | we have 8+4 I think | 16:16 |
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| hongbin | sdake_: I will try to achieve that | 16:16 |
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| adrian_otto | if you don't want to use abandoned and revisit the code when you return, there is another option | 16:16 |
| sdake_ | hongbin if it does not please send me an emai | 16:16 |
| sdake_ | and i will take over the work | 16:16 |
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| adrian_otto | you can ask another contributor to take over the patch and continue making revisions while you are away | 16:17 |
| hongbin | sdake_: sure | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | there we go. | 16:17 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, any other Announcements before we advance topics? | 16:17 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 16:18 |
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| adrian_otto | sdake_: did we have action items from last meeting to follow-up on? | 16:18 |
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| sdake_ | no | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | thanks! | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Blueprint/Task Review | 16:19 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/simplify-api-model Simplify API Model | 16:19 |
| thomasem | Pardon my being late. | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | Maybe we should table this completely. Let's discuss. | 16:19 |
| thomasem | o/ | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | welcome thomasem | 16:19 |
| sdake_ | ok, so first some background | 16:19 |
| sdake_ | Ispent about 3-4 days implementing this | 16:19 |
| sdake_ | and there are two outcomes to the implementation | 16:19 |
| sdake_ | option #! we end up with a /kobject/pod|service|rc | 16:19 |
| sdake_ | i.e. nested rest controller | 16:20 |
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| sdake_ | this buys us nothing | 16:20 |
| sdake_ | option #2 we end up with one object with *all* properties in it | 16:20 |
| sdake_ | we can filter the properties in and out | 16:20 |
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| sdake_ | and store in the database by object | 16:20 |
| sdake_ | but it seems untidy to me | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | that would make the source harder to follow | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | can't just look at a class to see what's in there | 16:20 |
| sdake_ | the actual rest api that is exposed by kubernetes does not use files | 16:20 |
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| sdake_ | it uses a bunch of keyvalue pairs | 16:21 |
| sdake_ | take for example a get operation | 16:21 |
| sdake_ | you have to specify a type to get | 16:21 |
| sdake_ | that will call one of the 3 backend handlers | 16:21 |
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| sdake_ | so we end up with if elif all over the kobject code | 16:21 |
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| sdake_ | the code i wrote is really hard to follow with this model | 16:22 |
| apmelton | it sounds like either case adds lots of complexity without buying us anything | 16:22 |
| sdake_ | the second model gets us one api to work with all kubernetes objects | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | pursuant to our IRC discussion yesterday, my preference is to KISS, and chalk this one up to lessons learned. | 16:23 |
| sdake_ | agree with adrian | 16:23 |
| jay-lau-513_ | sdake_ I think k8s itself also using a specified type to get object | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | sdake_: you indicated you are comfortable taking no further action on this BP, is that right? | 16:23 |
| sdake_ | i'm not hung up on it, maybe there is a simpler way that I just dont see | 16:23 |
| sdake_ | I really like the idea but the code in the api will be hard to follow | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | good. the reason I wanted to bring this up in our team meeting is to see if others have ideas on an approach that might be better | 16:24 |
| sdake_ | perhaps what should happen is we should remove it from essentia lblueprints | 16:25 |
| sdake_ | make it low | 16:25 |
| sdake_ | take it out ofk3 | 16:25 |
| sdake_ | i'll finish the implementation and folks can ee what htey think | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | ok, and anyone who has an epiphany about this one is welcome to chime in later | 16:25 |
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| sdake_ | I have big big concerns with introducing a change of this magnitude this late in the cycle | 16:25 |
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| adrian_otto | thanks sdake_ | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | I updated the BP accordingly | 16:27 |
| sdake_ | thx | 16:27 |
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| adrian_otto | next one | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/multiple-bay-templates Multiple Bay Templates (for the purpose of introducing Swarm Bay) | 16:28 |
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| adrian_otto | apmelton: you have the floor | 16:28 |
| apmelton | so, there's a good amount of work left on this | 16:28 |
| apmelton | TemplateDefinitions have laid the ground work to allow bays other than k8s | 16:28 |
| sdake_ | iirc our deadline is the 25th | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | sdake_: correct | 16:29 |
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| sdake_ | will it land by then? | 16:29 |
| apmelton | I think that may be cutting it very close | 16:29 |
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| adrian_otto | so we have some choices here | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | 1) We can coordinate for more Stackers to help out with this BP | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | in efforts to make it advance a bit more quickly | 16:30 |
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| adrian_otto | 2) We can delay our release until it finishes | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | 3) We can re-scope it to a subsequent release | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | or combinations of these options | 16:31 |
| sdake_ | with #3 we get more capacity to work on other blueprints which may be higher priority as well ;-) | 16:31 |
| dims | apmelton: is there a bite-sized chunks of work for this that someone can help with? | 16:31 |
| apmelton | so, I do know diga was planning to help out | 16:31 |
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| apmelton | and I've got the time again to dedicate to finishing this up | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | yes, diga does intend to assist | 16:32 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, so it sounds like today is too early to make the call on #3 unless we have other "must have" features for the final kilo release | 16:32 |
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| sdake_ | we have 2 must have features | 16:33 |
| jjlehr | Is the deadline the 25th of this month? | 16:33 |
| sdake_ | jjehr ack | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | jjlehr: yes | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | we want to merge in all Kilo features by then | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | unfinished features will be re-scoped to a liberty release | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | external-lb | 16:34 |
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| adrian_otto | secure-kubernetes | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/python-k8sclient | 16:35 |
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| sdake_ | i don't think secure-kubernetes is going to happen | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | those are our three Essential BPs in LP right now | 16:35 |
| sdake_ | it requires adding tls to the pythonk8scleint madhuri sorted out | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | Vilobh Meshram is not present today, correct? | 16:36 |
| sdake_ | i finally got documentation on *how* to setup tls | 16:36 |
| apmelton | dims: at a high level, these are the pieces: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/ramielrowe/d1a7d15d37f65905be5e/raw/a9bb442042193c3b304a3dae1d15e1186bd7d324/gistfile1.txt | 16:36 |
| apmelton | diga was planning to assist on 4/5 | 16:37 |
| dims | thanks apmelton | 16:37 |
| apmelton | if someone would like to pick up 1/2 that would help out | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so FTR the work items apmelton is asing for assistance with are: 1) Add coe attribute to BayModel models, 2) Use coe attribute in heat handler's get_template_definition(...) calls | 16:38 |
| sdake_ | I don't expect anyone will deploy kilo of magnum because it lacks tls security | 16:38 |
| sdake_ | and functional tests | 16:38 |
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| adrian_otto | sdake_: at this stage, there will be lots of folks who want to start playing around with Magnum | 16:39 |
| sdake_ | play diferent then deploy | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | yes, indeed | 16:39 |
| sdake_ | i wouldn't recommend deploying magnum without tls security of kube/docker | 16:40 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, so any volunteers to join in with apmelton on the #1/#2 work items mentioned above? | 16:40 |
| apmelton | so, I do actually have a question, do we plan to move to consuming stackforge/heat-coe-template for kilo? | 16:41 |
| dims | production ready as a criteria would be next cycle? adrian_otto sdake_ | 16:41 |
| sdake_ | liberty | 16:41 |
| apmelton | alright cool | 16:41 |
| sdake_ | dims ack | 16:41 |
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| adrian_otto | apmelton: we should probably just use a bug ticket for that | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | that's a refactor, not a new feature | 16:42 |
| sdake_ | seems more like a blueprint to me ;-) | 16:42 |
| sdake_ | sorting that out is going to be painful | 16:42 |
| apmelton | yes it is | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | dims: production ready is a good PB topic for liberty | 16:42 |
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| dims | ++ | 16:42 |
| apmelton | and if I can drop that from my todo, it'll actually free up a good amount of time I'd plan to spend on it | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | fair enough | 16:42 |
| apmelton | spend on it for kilo* | 16:43 |
| sdake_ | tango around? | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | yes, Tango is | 16:43 |
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| Tango | sdake_: yep | 16:43 |
| sdake_ | 2 weeks to go until lb is one | 16:43 |
| sdake_ | maybe apmelton can help on that | 16:43 |
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| apmelton | what's that? | 16:43 |
| sdake_ | I think madhuri has python-k8sclient under hand | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | pause for just a moment | 16:43 |
| sdake_ | external-lb | 16:43 |
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| Tango | sdake_: I am doing some prototyping now, | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | let's wrap discussion of this BP | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | and then we can dive into external-lb | 16:44 |
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| jjlehr | joffter and I will look at #1/#2 and see if we can contribute to any. | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | so on the swarm related BP's we are going to leave them at the current priorities | 16:44 |
| sdake_ | i have a question re this bp then, with it we get swarm bays? | 16:44 |
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| adrian_otto | this is one of a tree of PB's for that purpose | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | s/PB/BP/ | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so let's take a quick look at the other top BPs now | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | as we are nearing the ned of our scheduled meeting time | 16:46 |
| apmelton | thanks jjlehr, let me know if you have any questions | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/external-lb External LB | 16:46 |
| jjlehr | apmelton: I definitely will :) | 16:46 |
| sdake_ | without this, k8s in magnum is not really usable | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | thanks jjlehr and joffter | 16:46 |
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| sdake_ | its not a deployment issue, its a play issue | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | agreed | 16:47 |
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| adrian_otto | landing this feature will result in a better outcome for Magnum when folks learn about Magnum in Vancouver and start to try it out | 16:47 |
| Tango | Does it make sense to break this into smaller chunks? | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | it's currently scoped as a Large | 16:48 |
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| adrian_otto | so we should work on splitting it up | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | in Announcements I forgot to mention something | 16:49 |
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| adrian_otto | sorry! here it is: | 16:49 |
| diga_ | sorry got late for meeting | 16:49 |
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| adrian_otto | sdake_ and I are in contact with the leaders of the Kubernetes project. We have agreed to work together to make a good Kubernetes+OpenStack outcome. | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | they agreed to collaborate openly with us on the subject of external-lb | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | which was our first ask | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | hi diga_ | 16:50 |
| Tango | awesome! | 16:50 |
| hongbin | cool | 16:50 |
| diga_ | Hi adrian, | 16:50 |
| sdake_ | one thing to keep in mind is the kubernetes core team is overloaded - 850 PRs a month | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | so we plan to have some topic-specific discussions about that impelementation | 16:50 |
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| sdake_ | so i'm not sure how much they can help in the next 2 weeks :) | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | and I intend to get that rolling soon, in efforts to get implementation in by 4/25 | 16:51 |
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| adrian_otto | at the very least we can get clarity on what may be changing upstream in relation to this feature | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | and act accordingly | 16:51 |
| sdake_ | agree | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | I will take an action on that | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to poll participants for a discussion with k8s devs about external-lb feature | 16:52 |
| sdake_ | tango do you need help? | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | so I will circulate a Doodle to help schedule IRC meeting(s) for that | 16:52 |
| Tango | I am getting some help from a colleague on the networking aspect | 16:52 |
| Tango | but I can use some help on clarifying the Kubernetes side | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so let's do our best to land that soon | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | and then finally, we have this one: | 16:53 |
| sdake_ | tango lets chat in openstck-containers after the meeting | 16:53 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/secure-kubernetes Secure Kubernetes | 16:53 |
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| sdake_ | to finish the job on that one we need two things | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | this is about adding TLS support | 16:53 |
| sdake_ | #1) documentation on how to secure kubernetes | 16:53 |
| sdake_ | I obtained that the last week | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | and this one is important to land but not as critical as the external-lb | 16:54 |
| sdake_ | #2) TLS support is not built into swagger, so we have to add it manually | 16:54 |
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| sdake_ | #3 heat templates need to be changed to generate tls keys and output certificates | 16:54 |
| sdake_ | #4 kubernetes has to read certificates from heat outputs and configure python-k8sclient appropriately | 16:55 |
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| apmelton | sdake_: does heat have x509/openssl resources? | 16:55 |
| sdake_ | pretty sure not | 16:56 |
| sdake_ | we may have to generate them in the client and pass them in | 16:56 |
| adrian_otto | sdake_: we can ping randallburt about that one | 16:56 |
| diga_ | we need to add TLS support to container api also | 16:56 |
| sdake_ | ya more fuel for the fire! :) | 16:57 |
| apmelton | which'll mean updating the docker-swarm templates for tls | 16:57 |
| diga_ | yep | 16:57 |
| sdake_ | that should be a separte blueprint secure-docker | 16:57 |
| diga_ | yes | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 16:57 |
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| adrian_otto | we have a little time left | 16:57 |
| sdake_ | bandit gating | 16:57 |
| sdake_ | i'm going to change the experimental bandit gate to a nonvoting check gate | 16:57 |
| sdake_ | any objections? | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | +1 | 16:58 |
| diga_ | +1 | 16:58 |
| sdake_ | after we release i'm going to change it to a voting check+gate ;) | 16:58 |
| hongbin | +1 | 16:58 |
| juggler | +1 | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | there is rally no downside to it | 16:58 |
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| adrian_otto | *really | 16:58 |
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| sdake_ | the voting part could be a downside, but bandit is pinned and seems reliable | 16:58 |
| dims | +1 | 16:58 |
| apmelton | +1 | 16:59 |
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| adrian_otto | #agreed to make bandit a nonvoting gate, upgraded from experimental | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | Our next meting is 2015-04-21 at 2200 UTC | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | I look forward to seeing you all there. Please join us in #openstack-containers for follow-up discussion | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | thanks everyone | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| apmelton | o/ | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 14 17:00:26 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| sergmelikyan | #startmeeting murano | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-04-14-16.01.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-04-14-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-04-14-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 14 17:00:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sergmelikyan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:00 | |
| thomasem | o/ | 17:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:00 |
| sergmelikyan | o/ | 17:00 |
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| katyafervent | o/ | 17:01 |
| slagun | o/ | 17:01 |
| Fang_fenghua_ | o/ | 17:01 |
| ddovbii | Hi | 17:01 |
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| FilipBlaha | hi | 17:01 |
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| aderyugin | hi^^ | 17:02 |
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| sergmelikyan | Meeting Minutes from previous meeting: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-04-07-17.00.html | 17:02 |
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| sergmelikyan | #topic Action Items Review | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action Items Review (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:02 | |
| sergmelikyan | We have two not assigned action items from previous meeting :( | 17:03 |
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| sergmelikyan | #1 schedule discussion for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/abstract-env-template | 17:03 |
| sergmelikyan | I didn't schedule a meeting due to high load related to RC :( | 17:03 |
| sergmelikyan | We still have open critical issues that we are working on fixing :( | 17:03 |
| sergmelikyan | We are going to return to this topic a little bit later | 17:03 |
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| henar | ok | 17:04 |
| kzaitsev | Let's schedule it after RC than? | 17:04 |
| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev, agree | 17:04 |
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| sergmelikyan | #action sergmelikyan, schedule discussion for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/abstract-env-template after Kilo RC1 | 17:04 |
| sergmelikyan | #2 propose new structure for murano-apps | 17:05 |
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| sergmelikyan | ddovbii, thank you for updating our murano-apps: https://github.com/stackforge/murano-apps | 17:05 |
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| ddovbii | :) | 17:06 |
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| sergmelikyan | this is all for action items review :) | 17:07 |
| sergmelikyan | #topic Release Status | 17:07 |
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| sergmelikyan | https://launchpad.net/murano/+milestone/kilo-rc1 | 17:07 |
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| sergmelikyan | We have pretty good number of fixed issue, but we also have 7 Critical issues either in Confirmed or In Progress state | 17:08 |
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| sergmelikyan | I would like to walk through Confirmed and Assigned issues | 17:09 |
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| katyafervent | 7 :( | 17:09 |
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| sergmelikyan | Issues that are in progress have fixes on review, and we should focus on reviewing them ASAP as well as addressing comments | 17:09 |
| sergmelikyan | slagun, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1443725 | 17:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1443725 in murano "[murano-apps] Deployment of multiple apps fails if apps have the same ports" [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to Stan Lagun (slagun) | 17:10 |
| sergmelikyan | any update on this one? | 17:10 |
| slagun | not yet | 17:10 |
| slagun | Hopefully will fix later today | 17:10 |
| sergmelikyan | do we have understanding on how you are going to address this issue? | 17:11 |
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| slagun | everything looks right in simulation mode. Need to try deploy it. It is either I mixed up container port and host port somewhere or somebody is already listening on that port for real (in stock image) | 17:12 |
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| sergmelikyan | Do I understand correctly, that in both Kubernetes and Docker we should be able to have same application twice? | 17:14 |
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| sergmelikyan | btw, we don't have reflected in the bug that it relates to particular apps | 17:14 |
| slagun | sergmelikyan: we do have: 1. Upload applications which have some the same ports (Glassfish, Jenkins) to Murano | 17:15 |
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| sergmelikyan | slagun, thx for update, let's hope to have a fix today | 17:18 |
| slagun | In Docker you can have 2 instances of the same app. Not on Pod | 17:18 |
| sergmelikyan | katyafervent, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1441569 | 17:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1441569 in murano "Same app is listed twice in the catalog" [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to Ekaterina Chernova (efedorova) | 17:18 |
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| slagun | (sorry, missed first question) | 17:19 |
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| katyafervent | We agreed to mark public apps with corresponding label | 17:21 |
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| katyafervent | such as 'shared' and add to known issues, that if shared app has the same fqn with one of own packages - shared will not be deploy | 17:22 |
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| sergmelikyan | katyafervent, thank you | 17:23 |
| sergmelikyan | #topic Open Discussion | 17:23 |
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| sergmelikyan | FilipBlaha, sorry I blocked patch with lint until Liberty will be open, it will be once we will release RC1 | 17:24 |
| FilipBlaha | serg: ok, I understand | 17:24 |
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| kzaitsev | we have a nice idea for app repository, yet I'm not sure if we'll manage to squeeze it in the release =/ igor suggested that we could store a json/yaml file somewhere on the server with a list of packages on that server | 17:28 |
| kzaitsev | The file would be non-authoritative | 17:28 |
| kzaitsev | And it would allow to build an autocompletion for dashboard package import field | 17:29 |
| kzaitsev | yet I guess it would count as improvement, and with RC behind the corner — we'll have to postpone the idea | 17:30 |
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| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev, but it is an awesome improvement, should really improve package-import feature | 17:30 |
| sergmelikyan | would it be also supported in CLI? | 17:31 |
| kzaitsev | sergmelikyan — what would you say about that? | 17:31 |
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| sergmelikyan | I mean would be it is possible to support in CLI? | 17:31 |
| kzaitsev | well. CLI is a different beast | 17:31 |
| kzaitsev | I see how we could implement a package-server-list or smth to get a list of packages on murano-repo-url | 17:32 |
| kzaitsev | and later use it for bash-completion script | 17:32 |
| kzaitsev | but that wouldn't be possible before we have a really nice bash-completion =) | 17:32 |
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| sergmelikyan | heh :) we already have some changes in master regarding this :) | 17:33 |
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| kzaitsev | I'm planning to play with it during liberty, to allow say mutano package-delete <tab> list id's of packages. But as of now — bash completion script is rather dump for that kind of thing | 17:34 |
| kzaitsev | What I'm asking is — shall we delay the idea until liberty? | 17:34 |
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| sergmelikyan | I really like bash-completion feature, when you develop Murano you are usually use python-muranoclient pretty rarely, so I was not really missing this so much. But lately I was playing with client and got tired of typing all the staff manually | 17:35 |
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| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev, I think so, anyway once RC will be out of the doors, master will be open for Liberty | 17:35 |
| FilipBlaha | awesome idea, current importing of packages is not very comfortable it will be improvement | 17:36 |
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| sergmelikyan | Any other questions that we want to discuss today or let's finish early and get back to working on RC? | 17:38 |
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| sergmelikyan | Thank you, folks! | 17:39 |
| sergmelikyan | #endmeeting | 17:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 14 17:40:04 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-04-14-17.00.html | 17:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-04-14-17.00.txt | 17:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-04-14-17.00.log.html | 17:40 |
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| sputnik13 | #startmeeting | 18:03 |
| openstack | sputnik13: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 18:03 |
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| sputnik13 | #startmeeting Cue weekly meeting | 18:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 14 18:03:17 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sputnik13. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cue weekly meeting)" | 18:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cue_weekly_meeting' | 18:03 |
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| sputnik13 | hmm, I guess that works :) | 18:03 |
| davideagnello | looks like it :) | 18:04 |
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| sputnik13 | yeah, I wasn't sure whether it requires someone to be registered or anything of the sort | 18:04 |
| esmute | looks like there is nothing in the agenda | 18:05 |
| esmute | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Cue | 18:05 |
| esmute | Open discussion? | 18:05 |
| davideagnello | yeah | 18:05 |
| sputnik13 | looking for the logs from last time | 18:05 |
| sputnik13 | we had actions | 18:05 |
| sputnik13 | hmm, I think I should not have used such a long name for the meeting | 18:06 |
| esmute | sputnik13: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cue/2015/cue.2015-04-07-18.02.html | 18:06 |
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| esmute | that was from last meeting | 18:06 |
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| sputnik13 | yeah and I just created something called cue_weekly_meeting | 18:06 |
| sputnik13 | <-- meetbot noob | 18:07 |
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| sputnik13 | #endmeeting | 18:07 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 14 18:07:07 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:07 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cue_weekly_meeting/2015/cue_weekly_meeting.2015-04-14-18.03.html | 18:07 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cue_weekly_meeting/2015/cue_weekly_meeting.2015-04-14-18.03.txt | 18:07 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cue_weekly_meeting/2015/cue_weekly_meeting.2015-04-14-18.03.log.html | 18:07 |
| sputnik13 | #startmeeting cue | 18:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 14 18:07:16 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sputnik13. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:07 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cue' | 18:07 |
| davideagnello | :) | 18:07 |
| sputnik13 | there, now it's going all under cue | 18:07 |
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| sputnik13 | ok, our second meeting | 18:08 |
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| esmute | Here the logs from last meeting which contains some action items: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cue/2015/cue.2015-04-07-18.02.html | 18:08 |
| davideagnello | my action item from previous meeting was: davideagnello to discuss cue's integration testing approach | 18:08 |
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| sputnik13 | yes, davideagnello please talk about what happened and where we are with your action | 18:09 |
| davideagnello | I am currently writing some sample tests with the Rally framework as 'plugins' | 18:09 |
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| sputnik13 | #topic integration testing approach | 18:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "integration testing approach (Meeting topic: cue)" | 18:09 | |
| davideagnello | since the scenario or integration tests would be located in Cue | 18:09 |
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| davideagnello | the second action item is to write a sample scenario test in Tempest, after which a decision would be made | 18:10 |
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| sputnik13 | does tempest allow you to have tests located outside the tempest repository as well? I think you mentioned but it slips my feeble | 18:11 |
| sputnik13 | memory | 18:11 |
| sputnik13 | :) | 18:11 |
| davideagnello | scenario testing approach would be simulating use-cases, including negative | 18:11 |
| esmute | davideagnello: it would be leveraging the cue client for this right? | 18:11 |
| davideagnello | esmute: yes | 18:12 |
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| davideagnello | integration tests would ideally hit the API directly | 18:12 |
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| davideagnello | sputnik13: they can, it requires some configuration to get them running which is in our action items to get running. | 18:13 |
| sputnik13 | ok | 18:13 |
| esmute | davideagnello: I am about to submit a patch to refactor and separate the unittests from functional. Once Im done this, i'll help you with your investigation with tempest | 18:13 |
| davideagnello | with rally, in order to get tests running outside the repo they have to be copied to the appropriate location, namely: ./rally/plugins/ | 18:14 |
| sputnik13 | would that be cue/rally/plugins? | 18:14 |
| davideagnello | rally looks in this location for your plugin scenarios, contexts, runners, etc. | 18:14 |
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| davideagnello | esmute: thank you, what is remaining with tempest is to write some sample tests | 18:15 |
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| davideagnello | sputnik13: the test code and yaml/json files would live in our repo. when running the tests, they would have to be moved to ~./rally/... for rally to actually execute them | 18:16 |
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| sputnik13 | symlink would work just as well I assume, like how we have the devstack plugin symlinked from our repo to devstack | 18:17 |
| davideagnello | sputnik13: it should, will try running my sample tests like this as well | 18:18 |
| sputnik13 | so davideagnello you're going to do the rally tests, esmute is going to do the tempest tests, and we'll have more information on which to go with by next week, right? | 18:18 |
| davideagnello | sputnik13: yes, targeting by the end of this week | 18:19 |
| sputnik13 | #action davideagnello to implement simple rally tests and provide findings on suitability for use in writing integration and scenario tests | 18:19 |
| sputnik13 | #action esmute to implement simple tempest tests and provide findings on suitability for use in writing integration and scenario tests | 18:19 |
| sputnik13 | did I do that right? :) | 18:20 |
| sputnik13 | hmm, no feedback from the bot, let's just say that's correct and move on | 18:20 |
| sputnik13 | #topic end-to-end conductor functional test | 18:21 |
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| sputnik13 | I think everyone knows, but for the sake of posterity... from looking at the test "coverage" as far as an end-to-end test, it was agreed that we already have a test that provides sufficient coverage from the API to the jobboard | 18:22 |
| sputnik13 | so, there is already a functional test that directly exercises the API's POST method to initiate a create cluster flow | 18:23 |
| sputnik13 | which results in a create cluster job being posted to the taskflow jobboard | 18:23 |
| sputnik13 | what we're missing is a test to ensure when we spin up a conductor that the conductor is started properly and starts pulling jobs off the jobboard | 18:24 |
| sputnik13 | so the latter is the functional test that I am currently working on | 18:24 |
| sputnik13 | for a single unified test that does both I believe we need to treat it more like an integration or scenario test, which will be done once we decide on which framework to use | 18:25 |
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| sputnik13 | oh, shoot, I should have asked whether there are any questions before changing topics... sorry :) | 18:25 |
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| esmute | sputnik13: would it be possible to use all the necessary fixtures to do an end-2-end test? | 18:26 |
| sputnik13 | esmute what do you mean? | 18:26 |
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| sputnik13 | you mean use fixtures to do a single complete end to end test? | 18:27 |
| davideagnello | esmute: the issue is that an end-to-end test will require a separate process for the worker/conductor to take jobs and run them | 18:27 |
| esmute | i was wondering if we could levarage the fixtures (or create more) in order to have tests that will start from the api, post a job to the jobboard and get it consumed | 18:27 |
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| esmute | could the same process do both? I remember us talking about it but it is also slipping my feeble :P | 18:28 |
| sputnik13 | esmute: yes we can do that, but I think these things should be tested separately at least as far as unit/functional tests are concerned... the thing with test cases is the more they cover the less information you generally have as far as exactly what failed when failures happen | 18:29 |
| davideagnello | if we are going to have integration tests that will do that, there won't be much value added | 18:29 |
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| esmute | so the idea is to have functional tests that does the posting to the jobboard and other tests that test the consumption | 18:29 |
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| sputnik13 | technically speaking, we could do all of our integration and scenario tests with fixtures, it really depends on what we want to accomplish | 18:29 |
| sputnik13 | esmute: right, since those are in fact two separate "functions" in cue, one is by the API and the other is by the worker | 18:30 |
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| sputnik13 | at least that's what I'm telling the voices in my head to justify my thought process :D | 18:30 |
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| esmute | ok.. thats fine.. we will need integration tests anyways and it is makes more sense to do them with int-tests then it is fine | 18:31 |
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| sputnik13 | right, as you said we would need to do tests like that in integration/scenario tests anyway | 18:32 |
| vipul | wassup folks | 18:32 |
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| sputnik13 | so, rather than do it in both functional and integration, I think it makes sense to have the smaller tests in functional that verify each leg of that particular "flow" and have the integration test verify the whole flow together | 18:33 |
| esmute | ok.. sounds good | 18:33 |
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| sputnik13 | vipul welcome fearless leader | 18:34 |
| vipul | Wozniak just got off stage.. he like to talk | 18:34 |
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| sputnik13 | how are things at openstack live :) | 18:34 |
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| sputnik13 | the woz | 18:34 |
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| esmute | lol | 18:35 |
| vipul | we're presenting in a couple of hours.. the Cue logo will be prominently displayed | 18:35 |
| sputnik13 | niiice | 18:35 |
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| sputnik13 | if there are no more questions/issues, this segways nicely in to the next topic :) | 18:36 |
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| sputnik13 | no more questions or issues? | 18:37 |
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| sputnik13 | for this or the previous topic (sorry)? | 18:37 |
| esmute | nop.. next topic | 18:37 |
| sputnik13 | ok | 18:37 |
| sputnik13 | #topic cue stickers | 18:38 |
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| vipul | so just to give some quick feedback.. | 18:38 |
| vipul | from the folks that notice these things.. | 18:38 |
| sputnik13 | ok | 18:38 |
| vipul | the shadows are kinda off in the design you sent last | 18:39 |
| sputnik13 | ah right | 18:39 |
| sputnik13 | the top of the lower bar should be lighter | 18:39 |
| sputnik13 | not darker | 18:39 |
| sputnik13 | :) | 18:39 |
| sputnik13 | i just realized | 18:39 |
| vipul | so if the light source is at to top which is where it seems to be | 18:39 |
| vipul | right | 18:39 |
| sputnik13 | I will let him know | 18:39 |
| abitha | do we have a final color selected? | 18:39 |
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| sputnik13 | I don't think so... vipul mentioned he would like it a darker red, pink is offensive to his sensibilites :) | 18:40 |
| vipul | :P | 18:40 |
| vipul | a richer red would be nice.. just my opinion.. | 18:40 |
| abitha | :D | 18:40 |
| sputnik13 | http://snag.gy/nEquR.jpg | 18:40 |
| sputnik13 | that is how the logo currently stands | 18:40 |
| esmute | vipul: im impressed you saw that level of detail | 18:40 |
| vipul | esmute: i didn't.. others did | 18:41 |
| sputnik13 | vipul: any other feedback? | 18:41 |
| esmute | others? | 18:41 |
| esmute | from OS live? | 18:41 |
| vipul | Yes.. while i was creating slides | 18:41 |
| vipul | sputnik13: that's the only feedback.. otherwise people like it | 18:42 |
| sputnik13 | cool | 18:42 |
| sputnik13 | I passed on the feedback | 18:42 |
| vipul | ok we only have about a month.. so need to get these printed out soon | 18:43 |
| sputnik13 | and a new version with the tweaks we asked for should be coming our way today or tomorrow | 18:43 |
| esmute | sputnik13: who is making these adjusting to the logo? | 18:43 |
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| esmute | s/adjusting/adjustment | 18:43 |
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| sputnik13 | esmute: a guy I worked with at my previous company is a graphic designer by training (although he does web ui/ux now), we asked him to do the logo | 18:44 |
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| sputnik13 | so once we OK the tweaks, he's going to get a printed proof done to double check the cutouts, and then have the final printed and sent to us | 18:45 |
| esmute | ok | 18:45 |
| vipul | cool beans | 18:45 |
| sputnik13 | we talked briefly about t-shirts, do you want to get something done there? | 18:46 |
| vipul | I think we just get the logo from him and have Angela take care of those | 18:46 |
| sputnik13 | ok | 18:46 |
| sputnik13 | yeah I wasn't thinking of asking him to do the t-shirts, I was more asking are we going to make t-shirts for the team :) | 18:47 |
| vipul | oh yea i think we should.. and make esmute wear it | 18:47 |
| sputnik13 | as you said we have 1 month now, so we should probably get it going soon | 18:47 |
| esmute | i would wear a shirt with that logo... just that logo though... no other odd additions | 18:48 |
| esmute | :p | 18:48 |
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| sputnik13 | hah, I have some thoughts on what the t-shirt should look like | 18:48 |
| sputnik13 | I'll get the t-shirt stuff moving | 18:48 |
| sputnik13 | it would be really good to get more visibility at the conference | 18:49 |
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| esmute | #action sputnik13 getting the cue t-shirt finalized | 18:49 |
| sputnik13 | :) | 18:49 |
| sputnik13 | #action esmute wear t-shirt for entire conference | 18:49 |
| esmute | oops.. i forgot to add no weird toons/geeky stuff | 18:50 |
| sputnik13 | hah, too late | 18:50 |
| sputnik13 | ok that's it for previous actions | 18:50 |
| sputnik13 | open discussion | 18:50 |
| esmute | ok i got one | 18:50 |
| sputnik13 | oh wait, any questions/issues? | 18:50 |
| sputnik13 | with previous topic | 18:50 |
| sputnik13 | if not, lets go to open discussion | 18:51 |
| esmute | PEPE8 import grouping checkers. Do we need them? | 18:51 |
| esmute | they are so annoying. | 18:51 |
| sputnik13 | #topic open discussion | 18:51 |
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| esmute | PEPE8 import grouping checkers. Do we need them? | 18:51 |
| abitha | is it the import grouping? | 18:51 |
| esmute | i dont understand that order pep8 wants it | 18:51 |
| sputnik13 | I don't think we have any pep8 defined ourselves | 18:51 |
| esmute | so i keep swiching things around until i get it right | 18:52 |
| sputnik13 | meaning we get it from the openstack common requirements... or something like that | 18:52 |
| sputnik13 | afaik | 18:52 |
| sputnik13 | so, yes we need to keep it... vipul any thoughts? | 18:52 |
| esmute | we can omit some pep8 validations if we want | 18:52 |
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| esmute | these are annoying.. or am i the only one that thinks that? | 18:53 |
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| sputnik13 | import grouping isn't that bad | 18:53 |
| sputnik13 | it's system libs, 3rd party libs, then project libs | 18:53 |
| sputnik13 | s/libs/modules | 18:53 |
| sputnik13 | so anything that's standard python module, you put at top in alphabetical order | 18:54 |
| esmute | ok | 18:54 |
| sputnik13 | then anything that's a 3rd party module (likely installed via pip or requirements.txt) | 18:54 |
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| sputnik13 | then any cue modules | 18:54 |
| esmute | so 3rd party ares things like oslos and other openstack commons libs | 18:54 |
| sputnik13 | yeah | 18:54 |
| sputnik13 | I sometimes get confused whether it's stdlib, 3rd party, project | 18:55 |
| sputnik13 | or stdlib, project, 3rd party | 18:55 |
| esmute | haha | 18:55 |
| esmute | ok | 18:55 |
| sputnik13 | but that's the general grouping | 18:55 |
| sputnik13 | and they need to be in alphabetical order | 18:55 |
| esmute | if its just me, ill learn the grouping order.. its fine | 18:55 |
| sputnik13 | yeah it's annoying but once you figure out the ordering it's not that bad | 18:55 |
| sputnik13 | and there's some merit to it | 18:56 |
| sputnik13 | when you want to see what modules are used, it's easier to find things in a sorted list | 18:56 |
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| sputnik13 | ok, other topics? | 18:57 |
| sputnik13 | it's lunch time :D | 18:57 |
| sputnik13 | alright, should we adjourn the meeting? | 18:58 |
| esmute | cool.. we took the whole hour as well | 18:58 |
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| sputnik13 | alright, thanks everyone | 18:59 |
| sputnik13 | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 14 18:59:20 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cue/2015/cue.2015-04-14-18.07.html | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cue/2015/cue.2015-04-14-18.07.txt | 18:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cue/2015/cue.2015-04-14-18.07.log.html | 18:59 |
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| sputnik13 | vipul have fun at the conference | 18:59 |
| sputnik13 | bring back any interesting swag ;) | 19:00 |
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| vipul | sputnik13: thx.. i filled up a bag | 19:00 |
| vipul | :D | 19:00 |
| vipul | i got you a penguin hat | 19:01 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 14 21:00:47 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 21:00 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2015-04-14_2100_UTC Our Agenda | 21:00 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 21:01 |
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| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 21:01 |
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| datsun180b | Ed Cranford | 21:01 |
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| mkam | Melissa Kam | 21:01 |
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| adrian_otto | hello datsun180b and mkam | 21:02 |
| james_li | james li | 21:02 |
| devkulkarni | devdatta kulkarni | 21:02 |
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| muralia | murali allada | 21:02 |
| adrian_otto | hello james_li, devkulkarni, and muralia | 21:02 |
| muralia | o/ | 21:03 |
| james_li | Hi Adrian | 21:03 |
| kebray | \o | 21:03 |
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| adrian_otto | hello kebray | 21:03 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 21:04 |
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| adrian_otto | (no prepared announcements) Any announcements from team members? | 21:04 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: thanks for chairing last week when I was away | 21:05 |
| adrian_otto | is there anything you'd like to cover from last week before we proceed? | 21:05 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: sure thing. hope you had a good trip | 21:05 |
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| devkulkarni | we ended up discussing mostly what we all have been up to | 21:06 |
| kebray | adrian_otto, is it time for session proposal submissions? e.g. I want to propose glance session discussion on container registry | 21:06 |
| adrian_otto | indeed, I saw some extremely large redwood (Sequoia) trees | 21:06 |
| devkulkarni | nice! | 21:06 |
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| adrian_otto | kebray, I will address that as the first item in open discussion if that's okay | 21:06 |
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| kebray | sure thing | 21:07 |
| adrian_otto | let's touch on the topic we tabled two weeks back | 21:07 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Joining OpenStack | 21:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Joining OpenStack (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 21:07 | |
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| adrian_otto | in the past, openstack contributors expressed an interest in becoming an OpenStack project. | 21:07 |
| adrian_otto | another project that I work on, Magnum has recently joined, so I am very familiar with the current procedure to enter | 21:08 |
| adrian_otto | I asked how we all view this question today, and we decided to regroup after further cosideration | 21:08 |
| adrian_otto | Do our contributors want to join OpenStack? | 21:08 |
| adrian_otto | how do you all view this? | 21:08 |
| datsun180b | I'm for it | 21:09 |
| adrian_otto | Solum contributors (correction for above) | 21:09 |
| muralia | I think it would be great. I'm all for it. A community of contributors is always great. | 21:09 |
| devkulkarni | Yes — it will be agood thing | 21:09 |
| james_li | I vote yes too | 21:09 |
| mkam | I'm voting yes as well | 21:10 |
| adrian_otto | thanks datsun180b, muralia, devkulkarni, james_li, and mkam | 21:10 |
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| adrian_otto | gpilz is not here today | 21:10 |
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| adrian_otto | I wanted his input as well | 21:11 |
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| kebray | +1 from me.. I vote yes. | 21:12 |
| adrian_otto | thanks kebray. | 21:12 |
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| adrian_otto | okay, so that's consistent with the sentiment that was set a while back | 21:12 |
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| adrian_otto | so the natural follow-up question is if we should proceed with that effort now, or later? | 21:13 |
| devkulkarni | later, as in after the summit? | 21:13 |
| adrian_otto | an advantage of proceeding now is that the rules are a known quantity | 21:13 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: good question, I'll explain how this works | 21:13 |
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| adrian_otto | adding a project to the openstack projects.yaml file is done with a governance review | 21:14 |
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| adrian_otto | this is a patch to a git repo that is voted on using Gerrit by the OpenStack TC | 21:14 |
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| adrian_otto | if that "application" is successful, the merge results in the new project being added to the project list | 21:14 |
| adrian_otto | after that, we submit different patches to move the source tree from stackforge to openstack | 21:15 |
| adrian_otto | that goes into the project config repo | 21:15 |
| adrian_otto | so step 1 needs to be approved by the TC at one of their regular meetings | 21:15 |
| adrian_otto | that normally happens on a weekly cadence | 21:15 |
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| adrian_otto | so we could join the project list before the summit as long as the TC meeting proceed, and that governance item is added to the agenda for voting | 21:16 |
| adrian_otto | make sense? | 21:16 |
| devkulkarni | got it.. how does the TC evaluate a project? | 21:16 |
| devkulkarni | if that happens before the summit that would be awesome! | 21:16 |
| adrian_otto | there is a set of criteria… let me show that to you (getting the link) | 21:16 |
| adrian_otto | it is too late for us to be part of the Design Summit | 21:17 |
| adrian_otto | but we would have a place at subsequent design summits | 21:17 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/governance/tree/reference/new-projects-requirements.rst New Project Requirements | 21:17 |
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| devkulkarni | makes sense.. the reason I asked if before or after summit is — I don't know how busy TC is from now till the summit.. | 21:17 |
| adrian_otto | this is the criteria the TC currently uses to evaluate new projects | 21:18 |
| devkulkarni | but if the meetings are happening on a regular weekly cadence then it does not matter | 21:18 |
| muralia | also, once approved, do we have a deadline for moving it from stackforge to openstack? I'm not sure what that involves, it might be a considerable amount of effort? | 21:18 |
| adrian_otto | most of the TC members are also developers, and we are in a code freeze for Kilo currently | 21:18 |
| adrian_otto | so this may actually be a good time | 21:18 |
| devkulkarni | oh I see | 21:18 |
| devkulkarni | that is a good | 21:18 |
| devkulkarni | point | 21:18 |
| adrian_otto | with the exception of those scrampling to assemble the integrated release | 21:18 |
| adrian_otto | those Stackers are very busy right now | 21:19 |
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| devkulkarni | muralia: I was about to ask that.. we should take input from mkam dimitry to see how that change might affect our downstream processes | 21:19 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: makes sense | 21:19 |
| adrian_otto | April 21 at UTC 20:00 is the next TC meeting | 21:19 |
| adrian_otto | so we could have feedback as early as our next team meeting | 21:20 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: that sounds great. I think we should do that. | 21:20 |
| devkulkarni | I am just little worried about this point "The project aligns with the OpenStack Mission:" | 21:20 |
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| adrian_otto | The OpenStack Mission: to produce the ubiquitous Open Source Cloud Computing platform that will meet the needs of public and private clouds regardless of size, by being simple to implement and massively scalable. | 21:21 |
| devkulkarni | I know that previously there were some line of thought that the mission should only be limited to core infra level services | 21:21 |
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| adrian_otto | that perspective has evolved | 21:21 |
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| adrian_otto | 2 cases in point: Magnum and Murano are now in the project list. | 21:21 |
| devkulkarni | okay.. after re-reading it..I think we satisfy "or directly building on an existing OpenStack infrastructure service" part | 21:22 |
| devkulkarni | oh that's right | 21:22 |
| adrian_otto | the prevailing philosophy is "big tent" | 21:22 |
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| adrian_otto | meaning inclusive rather than exclusive | 21:22 |
| devkulkarni | Magnum still falls squarely into the infra domain, so the issue would not have come up for it | 21:22 |
| devkulkarni | right | 21:22 |
| adrian_otto | we should expect questions about any similarity between Solum and Murano | 21:23 |
| adrian_otto | and that question can be addressed by clearly outlining the difference in the governance proposal commit message | 21:23 |
| adrian_otto | ok, sounds like we are in agreement to proceed in the short term | 21:23 |
| kebray | Murano is just a catalog, right? ;-) | 21:23 |
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| kebray | I think we are differentiated is better way to state my point. | 21:24 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/governance/tree/reference/projects.yaml#n806 Murano Mission | 21:24 |
| adrian_otto | any opposing viewpoints to consider? | 21:25 |
| kebray | some small overlap in the application lifecycle mangaement... where, I can argue that they aren't application lifecycle management, they are application _environment_ lifecycle mangement, per the first part of the murano mission statement. | 21:26 |
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| adrian_otto | I suggest that we use language that accurately describes what Solum now does, which is automation of the SDLC | 21:27 |
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| kebray | solum manages the app, murano manages the application componentry environment (if desired), or can just leverage Heat template. | 21:27 |
| adrian_otto | Murano is concerned with the deployment lifecycle | 21:27 |
| kebray | adrian_otto, that makes sense. | 21:27 |
| devkulkarni | right.. I may be wrong but Murano probably does not build an application | 21:28 |
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| devkulkarni | it deploys already built applications.. | 21:28 |
| adrian_otto | so we can work together to revise the mission statement to take into consideration Solum's gradual evolution | 21:28 |
| adrian_otto | would you like to spend any time collaborating on that today? | 21:28 |
| devkulkarni | long time back we had created this: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/solum-mission | 21:29 |
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| kebray | adrian_otto, there are also notes from previous summits where the Murano team helped write clear distinction between Heat, Murano, and Solum. We should probably dig that up before reworking it here today. | 21:30 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/solum-mission Solum Mission Statement Work Product | 21:30 |
| adrian_otto | great link devkulkarni | 21:30 |
| adrian_otto | good point kebray | 21:30 |
| devkulkarni | kebray: yes — I remember reading an email sometime back on the difference | 21:30 |
| adrian_otto | ok, let's advance through our prepared agenda for today, and we can revisit the mission statement subject as a team discussion in #solum | 21:31 |
| muralia | Can we collaborate over email, theres a lot to read and think about here? | 21:31 |
| adrian_otto | yes, absolutely. | 21:31 |
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| devkulkarni | instead of email, may be a gerrit review? | 21:31 |
| kebray | adrian_otto I found the etherpad link in my bookmarks, but it's no longer a valid URL :-( | 21:31 |
| muralia | even better | 21:32 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: that would be a great way of collaborating on it | 21:32 |
| datsun180b | i don't know about that, i think an email thread is fine | 21:32 |
| kebray | i.e. https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Juno/Etherpads#Cross-Project | 21:32 |
| muralia | ys, or a google doc for comments and versioning | 21:32 |
| adrian_otto | we can use an etherpad as a drafting tool | 21:32 |
| datsun180b | if it's a review, the wall is too high for anyone that's not a CLA-signed contributor | 21:32 |
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| devkulkarni | any tool that will allow in-line comments and tracking of revisions should be good | 21:33 |
| adrian_otto | using a review would be a good way to vote on a final draft though | 21:33 |
| adrian_otto | when we set the mission statement for Heat, we just used an etherpad | 21:33 |
| datsun180b | that sounds fine then | 21:34 |
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| adrian_otto | and based on the remarks in that, and a related email thread, that was enough | 21:34 |
| adrian_otto | ok | 21:34 |
| adrian_otto | next topic | 21:34 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Tagging or next release | 21:34 |
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| adrian_otto | Are we ready to tag our next release? | 21:35 |
| adrian_otto | if not, what work items should we be sure to merge first? | 21:35 |
| devkulkarni | There are couple of patches outstanding | 21:35 |
| datsun180b | presently i'm going after bugs and qol | 21:35 |
| devkulkarni | and one or two more coming in | 21:35 |
| adrian_otto | might we be ready later this week? | 21:36 |
| devkulkarni | I think so, yes | 21:36 |
| muralia | yes | 21:36 |
| muralia | lets target friday | 21:36 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I'll check in with you friday on IRC | 21:37 |
| muralia | sure | 21:37 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 21:37 |
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| adrian_otto | were there any from last week devkulkarni? | 21:37 |
| devkulkarni | no, there were none. | 21:38 |
| adrian_otto | thanks | 21:38 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Blueprint/Task Review | 21:38 |
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| adrian_otto | any work items requiring team discussion today? | 21:38 |
| devkulkarni | oh yes.. there was one points | 21:38 |
| devkulkarni | while discussing the BP/Task review topic | 21:38 |
| devkulkarni | we felt that we have kind of gone away from using BPs in a consistent manner | 21:39 |
| devkulkarni | we are more using bugs than BPs | 21:39 |
| devkulkarni | so one thought/suggestion was for us to clean up the BPs and then start using them again, or | 21:39 |
| devkulkarni | change the topic name to 'Task Review' | 21:39 |
| adrian_otto | that's easy | 21:40 |
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| datsun180b | considering i created one today and am staring at the half-written spec, i'm going to agree with option cleanup-and-keep-using | 21:40 |
| adrian_otto | ok | 21:40 |
| devkulkarni | datsun180b: you created a BP or a spec? | 21:40 |
| datsun180b | yes | 21:40 |
| devkulkarni | which one did you create? | 21:40 |
| datsun180b | both, that is | 21:40 |
| devkulkarni | oh okay | 21:41 |
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| devkulkarni | I can take an action item to clear up the BPs | 21:41 |
| muralia | We should clean up older ones. But we should use BP's only if we are adding new features. | 21:41 |
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| adrian_otto | it's also handy to use a bp if you want to track a gerrit topic | 21:42 |
| adrian_otto | so it's useful for big refactors too | 21:42 |
| datsun180b | i only disagree with "only" in that statment muralia | 21:42 |
| muralia | :) | 21:42 |
| devkulkarni | we need this cleanup also considering that we might get more eyes once we start interfacing with the TC | 21:43 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, so I can comb through what's there, and we can purge out things that are not in our current scope of work | 21:43 |
| devkulkarni | sounds good | 21:43 |
| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to spring clean our blueprints | 21:44 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, so do any work items require team dicussion? | 21:44 |
| devkulkarni | we should probably do something similar for bugs as well. | 21:44 |
| datsun180b | agreed | 21:44 |
| devkulkarni | either triage them or close them | 21:44 |
| datsun180b | some of them are old enough that they've been taken care of | 21:45 |
| datsun180b | just not marked | 21:45 |
| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to spring clean our bug list | 21:45 |
| devkulkarni | +1 | 21:45 |
| adrian_otto | ok, before we advance to Open Discussion, kebray had a topic "I want to propose glance session discussion on container registry" | 21:46 |
| adrian_otto | so lets discuss that | 21:46 |
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| adrian_otto | in the past, the Design Summit used a CFP format to decide on session topics | 21:47 |
| adrian_otto | that methodology was changed starting at the Paris summit | 21:47 |
| adrian_otto | and instead, each project uses etherpads, and IRC collaboration to set the topic list | 21:47 |
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| adrian_otto | so there is no formal process to put a glance session discussion together | 21:48 |
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| adrian_otto | instead, we approach the glance team, and arrange to collaborate on that topic at the summit in the most appropriate venue | 21:48 |
| devkulkarni | kebray can probably check with glance folks | 21:48 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, LMK if that needs further disucsison | 21:49 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 21:49 |
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| adrian_otto | maybe we don't have any more topics to cover today? | 21:51 |
| muralia | yup. | 21:51 |
| datsun180b | guess not | 21:51 |
| devkulkarni | from my side — nothing more for today | 21:51 |
| adrian_otto | ok, thanks everyone for attending. Our next team meeting will be 2015-04-21 at 2100 UTC. See you then! | 21:52 |
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| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 21:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 14 21:52:49 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-04-14-21.00.html | 21:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-04-14-21.00.txt | 21:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-04-14-21.00.log.html | 21:52 |
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