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bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
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openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 23 15:00:15 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
cknight | Hi | 15:00 |
toabctl | hi | 15:00 |
rraja | hi | 15:00 |
garysmith_ | hi | 15:00 |
xyang2 | hi | 15:00 |
vponomaryov | Hello | 15:00 |
ganso_ | hello | 15:00 |
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u_glide | hello | 15:00 |
csaba1 | hi | 15:00 |
bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:00 |
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bswartz | toabctl: since you asked, we now have stable/kilo of python-manilaclient | 15:01 |
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bswartz | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/python-manilaclient/ | 15:01 |
toabctl | bswartz: cool. thx | 15:01 |
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bswartz | stable branches of clients is a new thing | 15:02 |
Zhongjun | Hi | 15:02 |
markstur | hi | 15:02 |
bswartz | we will see how it goes | 15:02 |
rushil | hi | 15:02 |
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bswartz | also, there are 2 core team nominations on the ML | 15:02 |
toabctl | bswartz: but I learned in #openstack-oslo that I should track the tagged versions | 15:02 |
bswartz | toabctl: okay -- at least we have a way to backport stuff to the kilo branch if we should need to | 15:03 |
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toabctl | yes. | 15:03 |
tbarron | hi | 15:03 |
bswartz | #topic doc reviews | 15:03 |
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bswartz | so there was a question a while back about what the procedure should be if you're reviewing a doc and you have a lot of comments | 15:04 |
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bswartz | using gerrit to provide that kind of feedback is not ideal | 15:04 |
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bswartz | it was proposed that reviewer should simply push their own edit patch back to gerrit with the changes made | 15:05 |
bswartz | reviewers* | 15:05 |
cknight | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docs-fixed-it-for-you | 15:05 |
bswartz | however if you do that while the original author is working on another revision, pushing a patch can do more harm than good | 15:06 |
xyang2 | agreed, coordination with the original author is important | 15:06 |
bswartz | so my suggestion would be to talk to the original author first, and with permission, go ahead and push an edit patch | 15:06 |
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bswartz | does that seem like a good process to follow for doc reviews? | 15:06 |
xyang2 | doc team does that because non-doc author doesn't understand the syntax | 15:07 |
u_glide | + | 15:07 |
bswartz | for comments that might require debate we can still use gerrit reviews | 15:07 |
markstur | bswartz replied with a list of things to do. Seemed like if you follow the process it would cover the communication part | 15:07 |
bswartz | but for simple non-controversial edits this should hopefully save time | 15:07 |
xyang2 | but if it has to do with the content, that is different | 15:07 |
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markstur | "simple" can be done in gerrit to avoid conflict, though | 15:08 |
xyang2 | +1 | 15:08 |
bswartz | does anyone dislike the idea of pushing edits to other people's doc changes? | 15:08 |
cknight | xyang2: +1 The proposed mechanism is best for large numbers of simple grammatical or stylistic edits. | 15:08 |
bswartz | markstur: yeah if it's 2 or 3 small things then gerrit also works | 15:08 |
xyang2 | I don't like it | 15:08 |
bswartz | when it's 200 small things gerrit doesn't work so well | 15:08 |
markstur | I dislike only if the author is suprised/annoyed by the "help" | 15:08 |
markstur | bswartz, _1 | 15:08 |
markstur | bswartz, +1 i meant | 15:08 |
xyang2 | I think the reviewer should get the author's permission | 15:09 |
bswartz | xyang2: yes that was the proposal | 15:09 |
vponomaryov | +1 xyang2, ok with "agreed" help | 15:09 |
bswartz | get permission, then push an edit patch | 15:09 |
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toabctl | +1 | 15:09 |
bswartz | xyang2: are you okay with that? | 15:09 |
xyang2 | bswartz: yes | 15:10 |
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bswartz | okay | 15:10 |
xyang2 | if reviewer pushes up something that the original author doesn't like, then the original author can push back the original change. that will become a battle | 15:10 |
vponomaryov | probability is 99% =) | 15:11 |
bswartz | #agreed for multiple small doc comments that are non controversial, reviewers should push an edit patch rather than doing a gerrit review after obtaining permission from the original author | 15:11 |
bswartz | #topic liberty design summit | 15:11 |
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bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-liberty-proposed-sessions | 15:11 |
bswartz | I still haven't added anything here | 15:12 |
bswartz | but this is the last week to make proposals, so I definitely will | 15:12 |
bswartz | and I encourage all of you to do so as well | 15:12 |
vponomaryov | Zhongjun asked about implementation of QoS | 15:12 |
bswartz | we have 7 slots in Vancouver | 15:12 |
toabctl | people should ad their names to the etherpad in the top-right corner | 15:13 |
bswartz | some of which conflict with cinder (I'm trying to fix that) | 15:13 |
markstur | I think the sched is alread "fixed" somewhat | 15:13 |
bswartz | markstur: that may be | 15:13 |
markstur | sched https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VsFdRYGbX5eCde81XDV7TrPBfEC7cgtOFikruYmqbPY/edit#gid=569963128 | 15:14 |
bswartz | in any case, some conflicts with cinder slots are unavoidable, so for anyone involved in both projects, I'm sorry | 15:14 |
markstur | still some overlap, but cinder is changing rooms, they will just think you got lost | 15:14 |
bswartz | okay | 15:15 |
bswartz | looks like 2 of our sessions got de-conflicted | 15:15 |
bswartz | the other 2 were unavoidable | 15:15 |
bswartz | thanks markstur | 15:15 |
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bswartz | okay | 15:16 |
bswartz | vponomaryov: tell him to add it to the etherpad | 15:16 |
bswartz | all ideas should go on the etherpad | 15:16 |
bswartz | we can always prune and combine ideas | 15:17 |
bswartz | but if it's not on the etherpad it won't be considered | 15:17 |
bswartz | that's really all I have on the design summit | 15:17 |
bswartz | we'll spend most of next meeting on that topic | 15:17 |
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bswartz | #topic Mount automation | 15:18 |
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xyang2 | bswartz: how long is each working session? | 15:18 |
bswartz | xyang: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VsFdRYGbX5eCde81XDV7TrPBfEC7cgtOFikruYmqbPY/edit?pli=1#gid=569963128 | 15:18 |
cknight | In Paris, we started discussing mount automation. | 15:18 |
bswartz | times are on the left | 15:18 |
cknight | There were several suggestions from the community. | 15:18 |
bswartz | 40 minutes + 10 minute breaks | 15:18 |
cknight | One of them was zeroconf. Does anyone recollect who suggested that? | 15:19 |
vponomaryov | cknight: marcusvrn? | 15:19 |
bswartz | yes never got around to working on mount automation during kilo, so it's high on the list for Liberty | 15:19 |
bswartz | we* never | 15:19 |
cknight | Thanks, vponomaryov, I'll reach out to him. We've been researching zeroconf, but it doesn't seem like a panacea. | 15:20 |
bswartz | zeroconf sounded really attractive when we discussed it in Paris | 15:20 |
cknight | In fact, all options have limitations, so it will probably require a multi-faceted solution. | 15:20 |
bswartz | but after looking at it more closely it has drawbacks like all the other proposals | 15:20 |
cknight | Does anyone here have a suggestion we should be researching? | 15:20 |
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bswartz | we're still looking for a silver bullet for mount automation | 15:21 |
cknight | Next on my list to look into is automounter + LDAP, but that isn't a self-contained solution. | 15:21 |
bswartz | I'm sure mount automation will be one of the topics in vancouver, and cknight will be driving it | 15:22 |
cknight | Hearing nothing, does anyone here *care* about mount automation? | 15:22 |
* bswartz wonders if people don't understand what we're talking about | 15:22 | |
u_glide | :) | 15:23 |
toabctl | who added the nova API suggestion to the etherpad? | 15:23 |
markstur | cknight, we *care* | 15:23 |
bswartz | oh yes this is important | 15:23 |
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bswartz | if you add something to the etherpad, include your name in parentheses (bswartz) | 15:24 |
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bswartz | so we know who is proposing what, so we can get more information when something isn't clear | 15:24 |
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newbism | etcd stuff with autofs? | 15:25 |
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toabctl | what are the requirements we want to focus? is windows support important? baremetal or only virtual? | 15:25 |
bswartz | okay, so by next week we'll have the proposal for the topic posted, included some background on what the problem is and our general idea for solving it | 15:25 |
u_glide | bswartz: Could you please share investigation results? | 15:25 |
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bswartz | u_glide: we'll share what we know, but I expect research will be ongoing until the design summit | 15:25 |
bswartz | the design summit will be where the decision will happen | 15:26 |
newbism | serf with autofs | 15:26 |
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bswartz | newbism: that's one proposal we | 15:26 |
bswartz | we've looked at | 15:26 |
bswartz | toabctl: we're looking at all of that, it's hard to decide where to draw the line | 15:27 |
bswartz | toabctl: thanks for the note on the etherpad | 15:27 |
newbism | looks like a good design to me. | 15:27 |
cknight | newbism: I'm not familiar with serf. If you have an idea how that could work, please follow up on the DL. | 15:27 |
newbism | im newb so you know | 15:27 |
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cknight | bswartz: sounds like this topic is done for now… | 15:28 |
bswartz | yeah | 15:28 |
bswartz | okay | 15:28 |
bswartz | #topic fix for glusterfs_native breaking multibackend setups | 15:28 |
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newbism | or consul.io | 15:28 |
bswartz | csaba, u_glide: what's up | 15:29 |
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bswartz | I don't see a LP bug with kilo-rc-potential tag | 15:29 |
u_glide | we have patch in master https://review.openstack.org/#/c/174418/ | 15:29 |
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bswartz | this is a partial fix patch | 15:30 |
vponomaryov | bswartz: it is standalone | 15:30 |
u_glide | yes, but this patch also fix another bug not opened on lp | 15:30 |
csaba1 | bswartz: the bug is about policy violation, scoped to liberty | 15:30 |
bswartz | ttx: hold off on tagging RC2 please | 15:31 |
bswartz | ttx: for manila | 15:31 |
csaba1 | but this patch fixes an actual behaviroal issue | 15:31 |
bswartz | okay so do we need a different bug for Kilo? | 15:32 |
u_glide | yes | 15:32 |
u_glide | csaba1: could you please create bug on lp? | 15:32 |
csaba1 | yes the issue is that multibackend will be broken with glusterfs_native included | 15:33 |
csaba1 | u_glide: sure | 15:33 |
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bswartz | so if we backport 174418 only, that's enough to fix the issue in kilo? | 15:33 |
u_glide | yes | 15:33 |
bswartz | btw, it's really a bad idea to attach multiple commits to a bug when you're considering proposing a backport on one of the commits | 15:33 |
bswartz | it's going to make launchpad a nightmare | 15:34 |
bswartz | I supposed it's too late to untangle the existing commits and LP bug because they've merged already | 15:34 |
csaba1 | u_glide: sorry, but no | 15:34 |
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csaba1 | u_glide: rraja just found an issue with your patch | 15:35 |
rraja | bswartz: no. i'm facing an issue where I can create 2 shares with same glusterfs volume as the backend if I use the current glusterfs_native driver in the master branch i.e. after igor's fix. | 15:35 |
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bswartz | rraja: I don't understand how that affects kilo... | 15:36 |
bswartz | didn't the DB patches go in after the branch? | 15:36 |
csaba1 | bswartz: it means we are still broken after the proposed inclusion of u_glide's patch | 15:37 |
csaba1 | bswartz: the problem is the bug u_glide found -- after the branch... | 15:37 |
csaba1 | ie. glusterfs_native breaks multibackend setups | 15:37 |
bswartz | a problem where? | 15:37 |
bswartz | that problem exists in kilo too? | 15:37 |
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csaba1 | in kilo, if you set up multibackend so that glusterfs_native is one of the backends, and you create a non-glusterfs-naiitve share, then m-shr will crash | 15:38 |
csaba1 | yes in kilo | 15:38 |
bswartz | if there's a bug in kilo, we need to fix it in master first and propose a backport to kilo | 15:38 |
csaba1 | bswartz: u_glide's patch is supposed to fix it | 15:39 |
bswartz | and you should be very careful to no mix the bug or the fix with other unrelated changes, because that makes backporting that much harder | 15:39 |
csaba1 | this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/174418/ | 15:39 |
bswartz | csaba1: I just heard that this change is insufficient to fix the bug | 15:39 |
bswartz | rraja: do we need more than the above change to correct the issue? | 15:40 |
csaba1 | sorry dropped off ,now back) | 15:40 |
bswartz | csaba1: I just heard that this change is insufficient to fix the bug | 15:40 |
rraja | bswartz: yes. | 15:40 |
csaba1 | bswartz: so yes, now it turned out thaqt with u_glide's fix, something else becomes broken | 15:41 |
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csaba1 | so *one more* fix is needed to get the whole thing right | 15:41 |
bswartz | ugh | 15:41 |
bswartz | okay so is that one more patchset ready yet? | 15:41 |
bswartz | or if not, when will it? | 15:41 |
csaba1 | rraja just diagnosed the issue, so not ATM | 15:42 |
bswartz | okay | 15:42 |
csaba1 | rraja: can you fix it? | 15:42 |
rraja | csaba1: yes! | 15:42 |
csaba1 | approximately when? | 15:42 |
rraja | in a day or two | 15:43 |
rraja | hopefully by tmw. | 15:43 |
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bswartz | this is going to be a hard call | 15:43 |
bswartz | two days to fix + time to test and review | 15:43 |
bswartz | this puts us extremely close to the release | 15:44 |
bswartz | our alternative is to cut RC2 now (it's ready aside from this issue) and to wait until after the release to handle this backport | 15:44 |
rraja | bswartz: so if the fix gets in by today/early tmw. does it work? | 15:44 |
bswartz | also I'm not sure what the best way is to backport a bugfix that involves 2 commits | 15:45 |
bswartz | that's something I'll have to look into | 15:45 |
bswartz | we could do 2 backports or we could squash them into 1 backport | 15:45 |
vponomaryov | rraja: please, describe problem in LP bug | 15:46 |
bswartz | is it really the case that there are 2 different bugs that both need fixing? | 15:46 |
rraja | vponomaryov: sure! | 15:46 |
bswartz | or did the original change just someone fail to accomplish the fix? | 15:46 |
csaba1 | bswartz: if we amend u_glide's patch and backport like that, then that's just one commit to backport | 15:46 |
bswartz | somehow* | 15:46 |
csaba1 | bswartz: and on master we can merge the amendment as separarte commit | 15:47 |
bswartz | csaba1: I know we can squash them for the backport -- the question is whether that creates a mess in the history or not | 15:47 |
csaba1 | but I don't think we should replicate the issue with u_glide's commit in kilo | 15:47 |
bswartz | if there are 2 different bugs here, then it's an easy decision to make 2 backports | 15:47 |
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bswartz | my request is: please clearly describe both issues in LP bugs, and tag them appropriately with kilo-rc-potential | 15:48 |
csaba1 | csaba1: OK so you just made th eargument why to replicate the issue with u_glide's commit in kilo -- history unambiguousness | 15:48 |
bswartz | and also please push fix second fix as soon as it's ready | 15:48 |
bswartz | I'll have to decide tomorrow whether to proceed with RC2 or to hold off | 15:49 |
csaba1 | bswartz: sure | 15:49 |
bswartz | I'm willing to hold off on it today | 15:49 |
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csaba1 | bswartz: thanks | 15:49 |
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bswartz | if we go into the weekend then I think it will be too late | 15:49 |
bswartz | and getting it into kilo means getting it merged in master first, then doing the cherry picks and re-reviewing the fixes in kilo | 15:50 |
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bswartz | okay anything else on this topic? | 15:50 |
bswartz | I don't know if anyone is waiting for open discussion to raise another topic | 15:51 |
ganso_ | i am | 15:51 |
bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:51 |
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bswartz | ganso_: ? | 15:52 |
ganso_ | I am prototyping share migration, and I stumbled across some problems, not sure how to handle them | 15:52 |
bswartz | anyone have anything else? | 15:52 |
bswartz | ganso_: cool | 15:52 |
ganso_ | I would like to ask your opinion | 15:52 |
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ganso_ | 1 - are share IDs allowed to change or must remain the same? in Cinder they remain the same | 15:53 |
bswartz | ganso_: actually in cinder they do some ID gymnastics | 15:53 |
bswartz | from the API client's point of view, I think it's clear that the share ID should not change | 15:54 |
bswartz | and cinder does achieve that | 15:54 |
ganso_ | ok | 15:54 |
ganso_ | I can achieve that too | 15:54 |
bswartz | from the DB point of view, cinder does something awkward which creates a bunch of problems for them | 15:54 |
ganso_ | but for each driver it is different | 15:54 |
ganso_ | for example, for generic driver, we have volume IDs which are linked to shares | 15:54 |
bswartz | I suppose we could entertain a proposal for a migration API that changes the share's ID -- but that would require careful consideration | 15:55 |
ganso_ | Share ID is used as a name for the volume | 15:55 |
ganso_ | I suppose some driver vendors would also have the same link in the background | 15:55 |
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bswartz | ganso_: the DB changes that u_glide is working on are supposed to help solve that issue (among others) | 15:55 |
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u_glide | ganso_: not anymore with https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/private-data-storage-api-for-drivers | 15:55 |
ganso_ | yes, I read about them, and I anxious for it, because I would be able to store some additional metadata for shares | 15:56 |
vponomaryov | ganso_: it will be cahnged with implementation of BP #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/private-data-storage-api-for-drivers | 15:56 |
bswartz | forcing backends to embed manila's UUIDs in their volume/snapshot/share names ends up causing a bunch of problems, and driver private data is supposed to solve those | 15:56 |
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ganso_ | that would solve my problem | 15:56 |
ganso_ | great :) | 15:57 |
ganso_ | one other thing, is that I found out that access rules are also linked to Share ID | 15:57 |
vponomaryov | ganso_: how do you plan to handle migration w/o share servers? | 15:57 |
u_glide | ganso_: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176877/1/manila/share/drivers/generic.py | 15:57 |
bswartz | ganso_: if you think that changing the share ID is a better idea, I'd like to see a proposal -- my instinct says it's the wrong thing but honestly I've never thought about it too much | 15:57 |
ganso_ | vponomaryov: Still have not thought about "driver_handles_share_servers = false" | 15:58 |
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cknight | bswartz: +1 I'm skeptical about changing share IDs | 15:58 |
vponomaryov | ganso_: + mixed one | 15:58 |
bswartz | ganso_: will you be in vancouver? | 15:58 |
ganso_ | yes | 15:58 |
bswartz | this seems like a perfect topic for the summit | 15:58 |
ganso_ | great :) | 15:58 |
ganso_ | I look forward to meeting you guys | 15:59 |
bswartz | you'll get a lot of feedback at the summit | 15:59 |
bswartz | if you can prototype something before then, and have a WIP in gerrit, it will help the discussion even more | 15:59 |
cknight | ganso_: If you have a working prototype to demo, that would be great. | 15:59 |
ganso_ | yes, that will be my final step, submitting to gerrit | 15:59 |
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ganso_ | I already got something working | 15:59 |
bswartz | a demo is best of all | 15:59 |
bswartz | something people can see so they don't have to imagine it | 16:00 |
bswartz | okay we're at time | 16:00 |
ganso_ | but there are holes to fill in | 16:00 |
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bswartz | thanks all | 16:00 |
ganso_ | thanks | 16:00 |
bswartz | see you next week | 16:00 |
bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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toabctl | thanks. | 16:00 |
openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 23 16:00:31 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-04-23-15.00.html | 16:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-04-23-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-04-23-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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kozhukalov | #startmeeting Fuel | 16:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 23 16:00:59 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kozhukalov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:01 |
kozhukalov | #chair kozhukalov | 16:01 |
openstack | Current chairs: kozhukalov | 16:01 |
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kozhukalov | hey guys | 16:01 |
docaedo | hello | 16:01 |
mattymo | hi! | 16:01 |
kozhukalov | agenda as usual | 16:01 |
kozhukalov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:01 |
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kozhukalov | who else is here? | 16:01 |
mwhahaha | hi | 16:01 |
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sambork | hi | 16:02 |
mihgen | hi | 16:02 |
xarses | o/ | 16:02 |
kozhukalov | great, 7 people | 16:02 |
kozhukalov | let's start | 16:02 |
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salmon_ | hi | 16:02 |
kozhukalov | #topic Fuel CI migrated to new Jenkins instance ci.fuel-infra.org | 16:02 |
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kozhukalov | who added this topic? | 16:03 |
mihgen | I think devops? bookwar is not here | 16:03 |
angdraug | I think it was bookwar | 16:03 |
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mihgen | this is excellent actually, I'm very glad that this happened finally | 16:04 |
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bookwar | hi all | 16:04 |
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kozhukalov | bookwar: hi | 16:04 |
Tatyanka_Leontov | hi :) | 16:04 |
mkwiek | hello | 16:04 |
mihgen | I'd add just redirect from old fuel-jenkins. | 16:04 |
angdraug | bookwar: we're talking about ci.fuel-infra.org | 16:04 |
alex_bh | hello everyone | 16:04 |
alex_didenko | +1 for redirect from old CI | 16:04 |
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mihgen | oh wait a sec, "This server is switched to read-only mode to provide logs for older builds. It will be switched off in July 2015" | 16:05 |
bookwar | we don't want to do redirect because we need to keep the history of builds and logs, so all links from gerrit reviews should work | 16:05 |
mihgen | do we need logs folks? | 16:05 |
alex_didenko | ok, what about link to new jobs in old jobs description? | 16:05 |
alex_didenko | like "New job is here" | 16:05 |
bookwar | openstack infra says that CI should store logs for about three months, we can come up with smaller limit, but still we need direct links to job results to work for some time | 16:06 |
mihgen | alex_didenko: why would we need it? | 16:06 |
bookwar | in gerrit reviews you have direct link to job with build number | 16:06 |
alex_didenko | last week I gave links to our CI jobs in slides, so now they are not accurate | 16:06 |
mihgen | ok let's keep it as bookwar suggests | 16:06 |
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mihgen | alex_didenko: people should be able to find it still… | 16:07 |
mihgen | I just don't think we should over-engineer and spend 2h of bookwar going over old builds and providing links to new builds | 16:07 |
bookwar | if we have old review, for example https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175388/ links to test results should be available | 16:07 |
angdraug | can we do a banner at the top of every jenkins page with a link to ci.fuel-infra.org? | 16:07 |
angdraug | where can == much less than 2 hours of work :) | 16:08 |
bookwar | i can replace the topbar (the blue one) with a huge banner | 16:08 |
angdraug | alex_didenko: would that solve your problem? | 16:08 |
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alex_didenko | yep | 16:08 |
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bookwar | i almost did that, if you not scared by my crazy design skills i can do it this evening :) | 16:08 |
bookwar | ok, let's do it then | 16:09 |
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docaedo | I like crazy design skills | 16:09 |
kozhukalov | #action bookwar adds banner at the top of every jenkins page with a link to ci.fuel-infra.org | 16:10 |
kozhukalov | ok, looks like we are done on this topic | 16:10 |
kozhukalov | moving on | 16:10 |
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kozhukalov | #topic Failed community builds on ci.fuel-infra.org (mihgen) | 16:10 |
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mihgen | I just noticied red builds over there. | 16:10 |
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mihgen | may be the reason is in configuration after moving to new ci | 16:11 |
mihgen | but I saw many fails before, on old instance too. The question is why those are failing more often, than on jenkins-product ci | 16:11 |
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bookwar | the reason is the recent merge | 16:11 |
bookwar | which switched iso builds to use internal mirrors by default | 16:12 |
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mihgen | whoo what internal mirrors? | 16:12 |
mihgen | why do we have those? | 16:12 |
kozhukalov | bookwar: how are we going to solve this? | 16:12 |
bookwar | centos stuff | 16:12 |
mihgen | why those are not public? | 16:12 |
bookwar | i've just got aglarendil's confirmation here that fix for that is already merged | 16:12 |
mihgen | ok sounds better | 16:13 |
kozhukalov | bookwar: great | 16:13 |
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bookwar | mihgen: these are centos upstream mirror which were used internally in our infra | 16:13 |
bookwar | just a snapshot of upstream | 16:13 |
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mihgen | we need to keep looking at those community builds - ideally those should be just of same color as those on jenkins-product | 16:14 |
bookwar | so the fix has landed and we will check if it is ok | 16:14 |
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kozhukalov | btw, i am working on introducing priorities for centos mirrors https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176438/ | 16:14 |
kozhukalov | still in progress | 16:14 |
bookwar | mihgen: they were the same, internal staging builds were broken too :) | 16:14 |
mihgen | ohh | 16:15 |
mihgen | ok kozhukalov let's move on | 16:15 |
kozhukalov | #topic Voting fuel library unit tests https://review.fuel-infra.org/#/c/6150 | 16:15 |
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bookwar | that's just a small notification, that we are going to switch the job to voting | 16:15 |
bookwar | if there are no objections | 16:15 |
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mihgen | rspec tests? | 16:16 |
alex_didenko | 3.. 2 | 16:16 |
bookwar | #link https://review.fuel-infra.org/#/c/6150 | 16:16 |
alex_didenko | yep, per-module puppet-rspec tests | 16:16 |
mihgen | let's do it finally ) | 16:16 |
alex_didenko | we're running them in non-voting mode for a very long time | 16:16 |
bookwar | CR+1 are welcome | 16:17 |
kozhukalov | bookwar: thanx for this info | 16:17 |
kozhukalov | moving on ? | 16:17 |
bookwar | yep | 16:17 |
kozhukalov | #topic New proposals (alex_bh) | 16:17 |
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alex_bh | thanks. I will be very fast | 16:17 |
alex_bh | In Create-Net (http://www.create-net.org) we are working on Fuel from the 3.2.1 version and we developed some new modules. Now, we would like to contribute to Fuel with new features. | 16:17 |
alex_bh | I wrote 2 draft blueprints (we have also other ideas ;) ). The first one is on the installation of Calamari UI I order to provide a monitoring and management UI for Ceph. | 16:18 |
alex_bh | The second proposal is about the multiple regions deployment. | 16:18 |
alex_bh | I would like to submit to you these two ideas and start a discussion, in order to address our development. | 16:18 |
mihgen | alex_bh: that's interesting actually | 16:18 |
kozhukalov | alex_bh: could you please so kind to prepare specs in rst format? https://github.com/stackforge/fuel-specs | 16:18 |
angdraug | I like the calamari proposal | 16:19 |
angdraug | on both accounts, +1 to what kozhukalov just said :) | 16:19 |
mihgen | are you guys extensively using ceph deployment via Fuel? | 16:19 |
angdraug | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Fuel/How_to_contribute#Propose_enhancements | 16:19 |
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alex_bh | well, now we are deploying ceph in a few production env | 16:19 |
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alex_bh | and yes, I have deployed by Fuel | 16:20 |
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angdraug | alex_bh: please keep xarses in the loop on your progress, he will help you get fuel developers attention for reviews | 16:21 |
kozhukalov | alex_bh: great to hear that | 16:21 |
mihgen | let's take a look at proposals, and see if work can be done as plugins to Fuel | 16:21 |
xarses | alex_bh: sounds great. For both we would likely want to weigh the implementation directly in fuel, vs creating a fuel plugi-n. Both sound good in the core and I'd almost think that multi-region would have to have some parts in the core | 16:21 |
alex_bh | about Calamari the idea is to write a plugin | 16:22 |
kozhukalov | alex_bh: yes, and depending on your time zone please ping me or xarses if you have questions about spec preparations or any other questions (for me email is preferable) | 16:22 |
alex_bh | ok...thanks a lot for your cooperation | 16:22 |
xarses | alex_bh: please feel free to poke me if you need anything | 16:22 |
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alex_bh | will update the doc according to your suggestions | 16:23 |
alex_bh | thanks a lot | 16:23 |
mihgen | good. should we move on? | 16:23 |
kozhukalov | alex_bh: great, thank you, moving on | 16:23 |
alex_bh | thanks | 16:23 |
kozhukalov | #topic recent provisioning improvements | 16:23 |
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kozhukalov | there are some sub-topics here | 16:24 |
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kozhukalov | they are written down in agenda | 16:24 |
mihgen | yeah thanks for summarizing those | 16:24 |
mihgen | question is how far we from being not that busy with bugs here ) | 16:24 |
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kozhukalov | mihgen: pretty close ) | 16:25 |
mihgen | so you could start looking at volume-manager refactoring, at least from the design perspective | 16:25 |
mihgen | did you hear any issues from scale lab? | 16:25 |
mihgen | were folks able to do 200 nodes after rmoe's fix? | 16:25 |
kozhukalov | mihgen: actually i did look in december 2014 and i have some ideas about that | 16:26 |
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kozhukalov | no, i didn't, last time when i heard about issues was that but which was fixed by rmoe | 16:27 |
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mihgen | kozhukalov: we'd need to do cross validation of use cases with some of other folks who are close to users | 16:27 |
kozhukalov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/174662/ this one | 16:27 |
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kozhukalov | mihgen: yes, i see | 16:27 |
kozhukalov | will try to summarize feedback | 16:27 |
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kozhukalov | from guys in the field | 16:28 |
mihgen | ok cool, thanks | 16:28 |
kozhukalov | another point here is that we can workaround some volume manager bugs in 6.1 | 16:28 |
kozhukalov | in progress here | 16:29 |
kozhukalov | any other questions? | 16:29 |
kozhukalov | in not, let's move on | 16:29 |
kozhukalov | #topic Fuel design sessions during the Vancouver summit https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-7.0-roadmap (zigo) | 16:30 |
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kozhukalov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-7.0-roadmap | 16:30 |
kozhukalov | zigo: around? | 16:31 |
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kozhukalov | looks like he is not here | 16:31 |
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angdraug | zigo has created the linked etherpad to kick off the discussion of what we can cover in an open design session (or two) at the Vancouver summit | 16:32 |
mihgen | we won | 16:32 |
angdraug | his priority is supporting Fuel on Debian, as you can see from the ideas he's thrown in | 16:32 |
xarses | ya, so we want to have public sessions in Vancouver | 16:32 |
mihgen | we won't have many ppl going there, but still | 16:32 |
angdraug | but it doesn't mean that we can't add more things to the list | 16:33 |
mihgen | aglarendil, mattymo, bookwar should be there | 16:33 |
xarses | and we'd like to see some of you propose topics to discuss, and we will also pass it around on the ML | 16:33 |
angdraug | for example bookwar will be there, so worth including ci related topics | 16:33 |
mihgen | from the CI stuff, I'd love to see more reusage of what upstream infra does, and contributing our improvements back there | 16:34 |
bookwar | i agree with mihgen, we can and will discuss things but for full-scale design session there are not enough people there | 16:34 |
angdraug | there only need to be enough fuel people there to host it, and enough interesting topics for community people to show up with their ideas | 16:35 |
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angdraug | you won't walk out of there with semi-ready blueprint specs | 16:35 |
bookwar | so it would be more like brainstorming session | 16:35 |
angdraug | yes, brainstorming and feedback gathering | 16:35 |
mattymo | basically you can brainstorm and you can propose ideas and see if it is generally acceptable | 16:36 |
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mattymo | same as what angdraug said, basically:) | 16:36 |
mihgen | ok cool, moving on?) | 16:36 |
mihgen | I'm inpatient today ) | 16:36 |
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angdraug | yup | 16:36 |
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kozhukalov | yep, moving on | 16:37 |
bookwar | mattymo: we don't have the 'generally' part, minoringly acceptable :) | 16:37 |
kozhukalov | #topic Help to fuel-library team in squashing high/criticals, even assigned bugs (mihgen) | 16:37 |
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mihgen | so you folks might be aware, majority of most complicated / time consuming bugs we have in fuel-library | 16:37 |
mihgen | basically everything related to puppet modules and linux configuration | 16:38 |
kozhukalov | looks like python team gonna be in time with bugs by HCF, but library needs help | 16:38 |
mihgen | yes. So, if you guys / your team members who are not at the meeting now can go over those bugs and help in any form, that would be awesome | 16:39 |
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kozhukalov | mihgen: should we contact aglarendil and ask where and how we can help? | 16:39 |
mihgen | of course if you are not over subscribed with your own area | 16:39 |
mattymo | I can comment on that. I'm just getting lots of -1 with "fix this", followed with another -1 "fix that".. slowing down bug squashing velocity | 16:39 |
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mattymo | if you have multiple concerns with a patch, please just put it all out there, rather than clogging CI workflow with drip-coffee-action negative feedback | 16:39 |
angdraug | +1 | 16:39 |
mihgen | yep, aglarendil should be able to help identify those bugs | 16:39 |
kozhukalov | mattymo: +1 | 16:40 |
angdraug | I've also seen this pattern: please go through whole commit when reviewing, don't stop after you've found one problem | 16:40 |
mattymo | I'm not going to name names, but I had a wonderful case where 1 person managed to -1 my patch 9 times | 16:40 |
kozhukalov | please be as constructive as possible while reviewing | 16:40 |
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mihgen | mattymo: +1. Folks just get into communication with those who are keep doing this, and try to fix it | 16:40 |
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xarses | also, if it's a minor/cosmetic issue, lets consider creating a bug to follow it up and allow it to stand | 16:41 |
mihgen | if it doesn't fly - let me know and I'll do something ) | 16:41 |
mihgen | xarses: +1 | 16:41 |
mattymo | xarses, +1 especially for gartantuan multi-project commits that take 2-3 hrs to test each iteration | 16:41 |
mihgen | critical things should be fixed fast. remaining polishing can be considered as separate bugs | 16:41 |
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kozhukalov | mihgen: sounds frightening | 16:42 |
angdraug | no, just common sense | 16:42 |
mihgen | no worries, you won't feel pain =) | 16:43 |
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mihgen | closing meeting? | 16:43 |
kozhukalov | mihgen: yes, it is gonna be rather pleasant (couldn't resist to say this) | 16:43 |
alex_didenko | 1 more thing | 16:43 |
mihgen | I'm not that way ) | 16:44 |
alex_didenko | just wanted to mention that we've started running noop tests (puppet-rspec) for puppet tasks in non-voting mode https://ci.fuel-infra.org/job/fuellib_noop_tests/ | 16:44 |
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mihgen | alex_didenko: great! how fast those pass? | 16:44 |
alex_didenko | Took 3 min 10 sec | 16:44 |
kozhukalov | alex_didenko: thanx for this info | 16:45 |
bookwar | #link https://ci.fuel-infra.org/job/fuellib_noop_tests/buildTimeTrend | 16:45 |
mihgen | that's excellent. Will we be running remaining long -running tests only after this "smoke" passes? | 16:45 |
mihgen | noop -> rspec -> heavy system | 16:45 |
mihgen | I think we run in parallel now, don't we? | 16:46 |
alex_didenko | eventually yes | 16:46 |
alex_didenko | I hope :) | 16:46 |
kozhukalov | mihgen: +1 sounds like "must do" | 16:46 |
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alex_didenko | we had a meeting with devops on it some time ago | 16:46 |
mihgen | yeah let's try to make it sooner, that's how we can free up some hardware and people's time :) | 16:46 |
alex_didenko | so it should be doable | 16:46 |
bookwar | it is not simple from jenkins configuration side, but it is doable | 16:47 |
bookwar | so we are not getting it today or next week, but eventually, yes :) | 16:47 |
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kozhukalov | bookwar: cool | 16:47 |
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kozhukalov | folks, any other questions? | 16:48 |
kozhukalov | suggestions? | 16:48 |
kozhukalov | announcements? | 16:48 |
mihgen | bookwar: I thought it's just child job.. ok I hope you'll find easy and best solution | 16:48 |
kozhukalov | looks like we are done | 16:48 |
kozhukalov | great meeting, thanks everyone for attending | 16:48 |
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kozhukalov | closing | 16:49 |
mihgen | yep, thanks, let's move on | 16:49 |
mihgen | =) | 16:49 |
kozhukalov | #endmeeting | 16:49 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 23 16:49:22 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:49 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-04-23-16.00.html | 16:49 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-04-23-16.00.txt | 16:49 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-04-23-16.00.log.html | 16:49 |
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mkwiek | bye | 16:50 |
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tmcpeak | yo! | 17:00 |
jian5397 | hi | 17:00 |
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tmcpeak | hey michaelxin | 17:01 |
elmiko | sup | 17:01 |
dg_ | hello | 17:01 |
singlethink | hi | 17:01 |
fletcher | hola | 17:01 |
tristanC | howdee! | 17:01 |
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hyakuhei | #startmeeting Security | 17:02 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 23 17:02:08 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
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openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
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hyakuhei | o/ | 17:02 |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:02 |
tmcpeak | o/ | 17:02 |
hyakuhei | Agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/OpenStackSecurity | 17:02 |
hyakuhei | anything to add to that? | 17:03 |
tmcpeak | Bandit | 17:03 |
hyakuhei | Cool | 17:03 |
hyakuhei | So as I’ve found time I’ve been going through the wiki and updating links etc | 17:04 |
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hyakuhei | I’m hoping for a concerted rebranding effort at the summit | 17:04 |
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tkelsey | o/ | 17:05 |
tmcpeak | cool, what do you need to make that happen? | 17:05 |
hyakuhei | People in the same place at the same time more than anything I thin | 17:05 |
hyakuhei | just a sprint of sorts | 17:05 |
dg_ | Figure out what needs rebranding, get everyone together in the security space, hack? | 17:05 |
hyakuhei | Yeah | 17:06 |
hyakuhei | We’ve got a few 1 hour boardrooms | 17:06 |
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hyakuhei | hey tkelsey | 17:06 |
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hyakuhei | Any questions or concerns re: our transition? | 17:06 |
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tkelsey | hey hyakuhei, yeah rebranding sounds like something that could be done in a sprint :) | 17:07 |
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hyakuhei | Cool | 17:07 |
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hyakuhei | ok, lets move swiftly along then :) | 17:07 |
elmiko | i didn't see it on the planning, but ossg is getting a sprint on friday? | 17:08 |
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hyakuhei | I’m not putting anything in stone for Friday Afternoon | 17:08 |
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hyakuhei | The summit is pretty much a ghost town on the final day | 17:08 |
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elmiko | ack, thanks | 17:09 |
hyakuhei | Though I’m happy to use that time if people are around I don’t want to tell the organisers we want that space and then not fill it | 17:10 |
hyakuhei | I’m happy we got anything, being so late to the party :) | 17:10 |
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tkelsey | heh yeah | 17:10 |
hyakuhei | Ok, next up | 17:11 |
hyakuhei | #topic security.openstack.org | 17:11 |
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hyakuhei | It would be nice to have some more content there before the summit | 17:11 |
hyakuhei | Suggestions? | 17:11 |
hyakuhei | I’d like to see developer guidance, sec guide links and OSSN on there perhaps? | 17:12 |
tmcpeak | ++ for developer guidance :D | 17:12 |
tkelsey | the dev guide stuff we did could go up there | 17:12 |
elmiko | i think those all sound good | 17:12 |
elmiko | maybe we could just go with a landing page style content to start with, provide a nice central place for links to the other content? | 17:13 |
tkelsey | maybe list security specific projects (Barbican, Anchor etc) and a general sort of resources area | 17:13 |
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tkelsey | just throwing out ideas | 17:13 |
hyakuhei | All good ideas | 17:13 |
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hyakuhei | Cool, anything else? | 17:14 |
hyakuhei | oh hai gmurphy ! | 17:14 |
tkelsey | maybe even have a "completeness" section, covering the state of the guide for the current release | 17:14 |
hyakuhei | We were just talking about uses for security.openstack.org | 17:14 |
gmurphy | o/ | 17:14 |
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gmurphy | right. | 17:14 |
hyakuhei | As it might be nice to have more there before the summit | 17:14 |
hyakuhei | which isn’t so far away | 17:14 |
hyakuhei | but I don’t understand how/where to add content | 17:15 |
gmurphy | yeah. i can probably help out with this next week. port the security guidelines etc | 17:15 |
hyakuhei | There’s a repo somewhere I think. | 17:15 |
hyakuhei | That would be great :) | 17:15 |
gmurphy | so everything lives git.openstack.org/openstack/ossa | 17:15 |
tkelsey | gmurphy: awesome :) | 17:15 |
gmurphy | can submit reviews etc like anyt other project | 17:15 |
elmiko | nice | 17:16 |
bknudson | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/ossa,n,z | 17:16 |
hyakuhei | Thanks bknudson | 17:16 |
bknudson | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/ossa,n,z -- there wasn't anything open | 17:16 |
dg_ | if we can figure out how to post content, I dont mind trying to get the developer guidance on there before the summit | 17:16 |
bknudson | the reviews of ossas happen in the bug reports | 17:17 |
hyakuhei | I think tmcpeak should take a look at porting the developer guidelines over, as he has the bit between his teeth over that | 17:17 |
hyakuhei | Yeah, OSSA are special cases | 17:17 |
tmcpeak | ok.. I'll take a stab | 17:17 |
gmurphy | i can help out with this. on a call atm ping me later ok? | 17:17 |
tmcpeak | cool, sounds good | 17:18 |
hyakuhei | will do, thanks gmurphy | 17:18 |
dg_ | hyakuhei ok I'll teflon that one off to travis | 17:18 |
tmcpeak | lol | 17:18 |
hyakuhei | thanks tmcpeak, dg_ can help :P | 17:18 |
tmcpeak | sweet! | 17:18 |
dg_ | tmcpeak I'll take the figurehead role, wave and stuff ;) | 17:18 |
tmcpeak | I expected nothing less :) | 17:19 |
hyakuhei | #action tmcpeak and dg_ to move developer guidance to the OSSA repo | 17:19 |
hyakuhei | There - it’s official now | 17:19 |
tkelsey | lol | 17:19 |
bknudson | who's got +2 on the OSSA repo? | 17:19 |
hyakuhei | VMT I’m guessing | 17:19 |
bknudson | do they want to review all these? | 17:19 |
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hyakuhei | Possibly not, fungi, gmurphy, ttx , tristanC ^ thoughts? | 17:20 |
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hyakuhei | We want to move some more content, links into security.openstack.org but this might generate a bit more review traffic on the OSSA repo for a while... | 17:21 |
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elmiko | side question, could we get gerrit output from the ossa repo to broadcast in openstack-security if it isn't alread? | 17:21 |
tristanC | good question... shouldn't this be links to already hosted document ? | 17:21 |
hyakuhei | Some of the documents have been waiting for a good home | 17:21 |
bknudson | I don't have a problem with them being in the same repo... maybe +2 for a larger group | 17:21 |
hyakuhei | Also, OSSN really should have some more prominence. | 17:21 |
tristanC | because well, the project is actually called ossa | 17:22 |
hyakuhei | Yeah it is | 17:22 |
hyakuhei | Though security.openstack.org should be more inclusive than just OSSA I think ? | 17:22 |
bknudson | yes! | 17:22 |
bknudson | I hope we can have more than just our dirty laundry there. | 17:22 |
tmcpeak | :) | 17:23 |
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hyakuhei | I very much want it to be a good place for us to demonstrate all the good security stuff in OpenStack, including our robust OSSA process | 17:23 |
elmiko | +1 | 17:24 |
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dave-mccowan | o/ | 17:24 |
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hyakuhei | ok cool, no need to labor that, I’ll chat with the VMT folks about if security.openstack.org should stay under ossa in git (which I don’t personally have anything against) and if it does stay there, the impact of adding some +2’s for the additional content. | 17:25 |
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bknudson | maybe just rename it someday | 17:26 |
hyakuhei | Doesn’t look like Mr Security Guide will be joining us | 17:26 |
hyakuhei | sicarie is absent! | 17:26 |
hyakuhei | tmcpeak: want to talk about bandit? | 17:26 |
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elmiko | i think the doc update is similar to last meeting, we are still reviewing the chapters and sicarie has a list of things he'd like done before we go to publish. | 17:27 |
tmcpeak | hyakuhei: yep | 17:27 |
tmcpeak | fletcher: you around? | 17:27 |
hyakuhei | #topic Bandit | 17:27 |
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fletcher | i am | 17:27 |
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tmcpeak | fletcher: want to overview your new plugin really quick? | 17:27 |
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fletcher | sure thing | 17:27 |
bknudson | bandit's been running quietly on keystone for a while now. | 17:27 |
hyakuhei | woot! | 17:27 |
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fletcher | i basically hijacked all of Christian Heimes' work from defusedxml | 17:28 |
tkelsey | I added the bandit gate to Anchor last week btw | 17:28 |
dave-mccowan | bandit is also running quietly on the gate for barbican | 17:28 |
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elmiko | sahara is working towards putting a bandit gate job in as well | 17:28 |
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michaelxin | +1 | 17:28 |
hyakuhei | Wonderful! | 17:28 |
tkelsey | awesome :D its spreading | 17:28 |
fletcher | So it flags all dangerous XML functions and recommends defusedxml library | 17:28 |
elmiko | although, we might have some feedback about the setup process ;) | 17:28 |
dg_ | thats awesome work! | 17:28 |
tkelsey | fletcher: :) awesome | 17:28 |
bknudson | fletcher: have an example of a dangerous XML function? | 17:29 |
tmcpeak | yeah, so this is a really cool new test fletcher has added | 17:29 |
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tkelsey | elmiko: feedback is good :D | 17:29 |
hyakuhei | elmiko: feedback is good! | 17:29 |
hyakuhei | heh | 17:29 |
bknudson | there have been vulnerabilities for expansion and derefrencing before. | 17:29 |
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fletcher | sure! | 17:29 |
elmiko | hehe, i figured you guys would be up for it | 17:29 |
tmcpeak | and he also added a supporting doc along with it, so IMO this is an excellent example for somebody to follow when adding a new plugin | 17:29 |
fletcher | xml.etree.ElementTree.parse() | 17:29 |
tmcpeak | #link https://review.openstack.org/176404 | 17:29 |
tmcpeak | ^ fletcher's change | 17:29 |
bknudson | I can't parse an XML document? | 17:30 |
tmcpeak | bknudson: you can, you just might have a bad time :D | 17:30 |
fletcher | an untrusted XML document, no | 17:30 |
bknudson | that seems like a pretty basic thing to do. | 17:30 |
fletcher | things like the billion laughs attack | 17:30 |
fletcher | and expontential entity expantion | 17:30 |
fungi | sorry, had stepped away | 17:30 |
bknudson | what's the fix? | 17:31 |
fletcher | (gawd I suck at typing/spelling) | 17:31 |
bknudson | (other than don't use XML) | 17:31 |
tmcpeak | there is a library which mitigates known attacks | 17:31 |
fletcher | used defusedxml.ElementTree.parse() | 17:31 |
michaelxin | external entity injection | 17:31 |
bknudson | ahh | 17:31 |
fungi | skimming briefly, i think we could move the non-ossa tooling and content out of the ossa repo and then just use the ossa repo for actual ossa yaml files | 17:31 |
bknudson | is it in global-requirements? | 17:31 |
tmcpeak | bknudson: good q | 17:31 |
fletcher | there is external entity injection and exponential entity injection | 17:32 |
fletcher | but yah, the defusedxml page has nice summaries | 17:32 |
tmcpeak | I did notice that Thierry Carrez is in the "thanked" section | 17:32 |
fletcher | i'm not sure about global-requirements | 17:32 |
tmcpeak | so this must be a known issue | 17:32 |
tmcpeak | it is not on global requirements | 17:32 |
tmcpeak | probably should look at getting it added | 17:33 |
bknudson | y, if any code does xml parsing | 17:33 |
tmcpeak | well xml parsing itself is ok, as long as it isn't from an untrusted srouce | 17:33 |
bknudson | we've been trying to get rid of xml support | 17:33 |
tmcpeak | still, it's hard to know | 17:33 |
fletcher | sorry had to reconnect so I dont' have scrollback. What's hard to know? | 17:34 |
bknudson | that's pretty much anywhere but a local config file... and some people don't even trust their config files. | 17:34 |
tmcpeak | yeah… good point | 17:34 |
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tmcpeak | if people want to explicitly mark XML usage as trusted that's what #nosec is for | 17:34 |
chair6 | this is where the pinned bandit version is useful, as well as config / profiles functionality | 17:34 |
tmcpeak | and this ^ | 17:35 |
chair6 | we can push the test into master, run it across openstack repos, figure out what the overall landscape looks like.. | 17:35 |
hyakuhei | +1 | 17:35 |
fletcher | there's always the argument of "why leave potentially vulnerable code around when the fix is known and simple" :) | 17:35 |
chair6 | .. then retain it / keep it / tweak it, and individual projects can still include or exclude the test in their gates based on their config | 17:35 |
tkelsey | chair6: +1 | 17:35 |
tmcpeak | fletcher: yeah agree, in OpenStack it might not be as simple because of global requirements and such, but this can at least be a nudge in the right direction | 17:35 |
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fletcher | ah ok, that makes sense | 17:36 |
chair6 | also on bandit, there is a relatively significant change at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175612/ .. close to landing it, but feedback still requested | 17:36 |
tmcpeak | also fletcher: I think I'm going to add a reference to this commit as a best practice when committing plugins | 17:36 |
tkelsey | :) | 17:36 |
chair6 | completes work that was discussed at the OSSG mid-cycle, moving to having tests report both a severity and a confidence level | 17:36 |
chair6 | among a few other things.. | 17:36 |
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fletcher | awwwww, snap. i'll take it :) | 17:36 |
tmcpeak | yeah chair6 disappeared for a day and dropped a monster improvement :) | 17:37 |
fletcher | yah, i heart that diff | 17:37 |
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bknudson | it might be interesting to have a config option to error if confidence level > whatever | 17:37 |
tmcpeak | in other Bandit news, Barbican has switched from experimental Bandit gate to non-voting | 17:37 |
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tkelsey | :) nice | 17:38 |
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tmcpeak | bknudson: yeah, definitely planned | 17:38 |
chair6 | yeah, i haven't added it yet but we'll do filtering on confidence level | 17:38 |
tmcpeak | bknudson: you have any feel to when/if you guys (Keystone) will want to move to a voting gate? | 17:39 |
bknudson | I was hoping that we'd at least see a release of bandit | 17:39 |
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tmcpeak | release? | 17:39 |
bknudson | so that we knew you guys weren't going to break us with each release. | 17:39 |
elmiko | hehe | 17:39 |
tmcpeak | we're done releasing for now :) | 17:39 |
tmcpeak | shouldn't matter anyway, you guys are pinned | 17:40 |
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bknudson | I also want to see it in global-requirements. | 17:40 |
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tmcpeak | fletcher: cool, thanks! | 17:40 |
dave-mccowan | tmcpeak, when will projects start receiving automatic pushes for bandit-test-requirements.txt ? | 17:40 |
bknudson | and our own files updated. | 17:40 |
gmurphy | back | 17:40 |
dstanek | i think we should do it as soon as we can; since it hasn't been an issue | 17:40 |
bknudson | I wouldn't be too worried about whether it's gating or not. | 17:40 |
tmcpeak | dave-mccowan: as soon as it gets in global-requirements… | 17:40 |
tmcpeak | bknudson: well if it isn't gating, it probably isn't actually accomplishing much | 17:41 |
tmcpeak | how often do people actually check all that stuff on the right side? ;) | 17:41 |
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bknudson | I hope that core reviewers are always checking it. | 17:41 |
bknudson | I sure do. | 17:41 |
tkelsey | bknudson: +1 | 17:41 |
chair6 | yeah, i'd argue that non-voting is still quite useful | 17:41 |
tmcpeak | ok cool, apparently I'm the only one that developed a blind spot for gate jobs that don't reject my change :D | 17:42 |
bknudson | keystone isn't like other projects where they have failing CI all the time. | 17:42 |
bknudson | I'd be fine with making it voting. I can bring it up at the keystone meeting. | 17:42 |
bknudson | although I'd still like to see it in global-requirements first. | 17:43 |
tmcpeak | bknudson: yeah, makes sense :) — also I don't want to push you guys to have it voting if you aren't comfortable yet | 17:43 |
stevemar | bknudson, how is it installed now? | 17:43 |
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bknudson | stevemar: it's in tox.ini deps for the bandit env | 17:43 |
bknudson | tmcpeak: Do a point release that doesn't break us and I'll be more comfortable. | 17:44 |
tmcpeak | bknudson: ok cool | 17:44 |
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tkelsey | bknudson: cautious is good :) | 17:45 |
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bknudson | releasing often makes it easier on users. | 17:45 |
tmcpeak | we'll do a point release with fletcher's new plugin and chair6's change | 17:45 |
tmcpeak | that will be 0.10.2, and keystone should still use 0.10.1 because it's pinned that way | 17:45 |
tmcpeak | when all that works we can discuss again :) | 17:45 |
bknudson | then we can upgrade to 0.10.2 and make sure that process works. | 17:45 |
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tkelsey | bknudson: tmcpeak +1 good plan | 17:46 |
bknudson | which requires global-requirements. | 17:46 |
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tmcpeak | bknudson: ok I'm a little confused.. why do you want to upgrade to 0.10.2? | 17:46 |
tmcpeak | I was envisioning just using 0.10.1 since it's stable | 17:47 |
bknudson | to pick up the new features. | 17:47 |
tmcpeak | isn't the point of pinning so you don't necessarily get them? :D | 17:47 |
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bknudson | the point of pinning is that we get to choose when. | 17:47 |
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tmcpeak | ok cool, I think I get it | 17:48 |
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bknudson | if there's new features it should be 0.11.0 | 17:48 |
tmcpeak | good point... | 17:48 |
tmcpeak | especially for a change as big as Jamie's | 17:48 |
tmcpeak | err chair6's | 17:48 |
tkelsey | so I think bknudson is right with that approach, Bandit needs to do a second release to test the process, then if its looking good people can pull 0.10.2 or whatever | 17:48 |
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tmcpeak | cool, works for me | 17:49 |
tkelsey | that way Bandit can test out the process and consumers can get confidence that we know what we are doing :) | 17:49 |
tmcpeak | I wouldn't go that far :P | 17:49 |
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hyakuhei | Can we wrap Bandit discussion or take it over to #openstack-security after this meeting (10 minutes left) ? | 17:49 |
tmcpeak | yep, think we're good | 17:49 |
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hyakuhei | Sweet | 17:50 |
hyakuhei | #topic Elections | 17:50 |
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hyakuhei | So I discussed the process of elections etc with ttx | 17:50 |
hyakuhei | Bascially by the letter of the law we don’t have to do an election until the fall elections | 17:50 |
hyakuhei | Which would mean putting up with me for another 6 months. | 17:51 |
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elmiko | lol | 17:51 |
hyakuhei | _but_ I don’t want to get in the way of people who want to get rid of me :P | 17:51 |
tmcpeak | if we really want to get rid of you we'll do it the old fashioned way | 17:51 |
hyakuhei | lol | 17:51 |
dg_ | we have people for that | 17:52 |
tmcpeak | err.. I mean — sounds good :D | 17:52 |
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elmiko | haha! | 17:52 |
tkelsey | :P | 17:52 |
hyakuhei | I’m happy to stay as PTL for the next 6 months but if anyone has a concern around this please either approach me or nkinder and we’ll arrange some post-summit elections | 17:53 |
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hyakuhei | Is that fair? | 17:53 |
dg_ | so I think you've done ok so far and you should possibly stick around until the dust settles from the change to Security | 17:53 |
hyakuhei | You’re too kind. | 17:53 |
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bknudson | #vote hyakuhei | 17:53 |
dg_ | I actually had to re-write that 3 times to be less sarcastic :P | 17:53 |
hyakuhei | haha | 17:53 |
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tkelsey | hyakuhei: you get my vote, nothing has exploded or imploded yet, so good job! | 17:53 |
hyakuhei | gee thanks | 17:54 |
hyakuhei | heh | 17:54 |
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shelleea007 | key word, "yet" | 17:54 |
elmiko | agreed, #vote hyakuhei | 17:54 |
tkelsey | yup :P | 17:54 |
tkelsey | :D | 17:54 |
shelleea007 | lol | 17:54 |
elmiko | lol | 17:54 |
bknudson | #vote for hillary | 17:54 |
shelleea007 | ... | 17:54 |
hyakuhei | I’m feeling the love right now guys :) | 17:54 |
hyakuhei | Lets move it along then | 17:55 |
hyakuhei | #topic any other business | 17:55 |
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hyakuhei | Anything else to quickly discuss? | 17:55 |
bknudson | oh, one thing I have to do for keystone is get the rest of our repos running bandit | 17:55 |
elmiko | i wrote an ossn, still waiting for a core reviwer nudge.nudge... | 17:55 |
bknudson | I also wanted to wait on the g-r change for that. | 17:55 |
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tmcpeak | bknudson: sounds good | 17:55 |
tmcpeak | elmiko: link? | 17:55 |
elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175065/ | 17:56 |
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elmiko | it's for the issue hyakuhei suggested as low hanging fruit last time | 17:56 |
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hyakuhei | Excellent, thank you elmiko ! I’ll review it after this meeting, thank you and congrats on what I think is your first OSSN :) | 17:57 |
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tmcpeak | cool, will take a look | 17:57 |
elmiko | thanks =) | 17:57 |
dg_ | hyakuhei do we have enough core reviewers now we've lost bdpayne? | 17:57 |
tkelsey | dg_: thats a good point | 17:58 |
hyakuhei | good point | 17:58 |
hyakuhei | Yes, because he’s not done many reviews for a long time | 17:58 |
hyakuhei | However, I’m happy to add some more too | 17:58 |
hyakuhei | just not an emergency. | 17:58 |
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hyakuhei | Any last minute stuff to discuss? | 17:59 |
tkelsey | nothing from me | 17:59 |
shelleea007 | no | 17:59 |
hyakuhei | Thanks all! | 17:59 |
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hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
tmcpeak | later! | 17:59 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 23 17:59:45 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-04-23-17.02.html | 17:59 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-04-23-17.02.txt | 17:59 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-04-23-17.02.log.html | 17:59 |
gmurphy | cheers | 17:59 |
elmiko | thanks hyakuhei | 17:59 |
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