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| dims | anyone here for oslo meeting? | 16:01 |
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| dims | #startmeeting oslo | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 4 16:01:24 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dims. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 16:01 |
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| dims | courtesy ping for jd__, dims, bnemec, flaper87, harlowja, viktors, rpodolyaka, zzzeek, sileht, kgiusti, dansmith | 16:01 |
| dims | courtesy ping for redrobot, jungleboyj, zhiyan, therve, amotoki, GheRivero, bknudson, ihrachyshka, jogo, dougwig, sreshetnyak, amrith | 16:01 |
| bknudson | hi | 16:01 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 16:01 |
| jd__ | o/ | 16:01 |
| zzzeek | o/ | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | sup dawgs | 16:01 |
| dansmith | o/ (kinda) | 16:01 |
| redrobot | o/ | 16:01 |
| sileht | o/ | 16:02 |
| jd__ | dims: I need to leave in 30 min so if you need me push my topics first ;) | 16:02 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 16:02 |
| dims | jd__: ack | 16:02 |
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| ozamiatin | o/ | 16:02 |
| flaper87 | o/ (kinda) | 16:02 |
| dims | let's get started. | 16:02 |
| dims | #topic Review action items from previous meeting | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review action items from previous meeting (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:03 | |
| dims | 1. dims send email to -dev list requesting volunteers for liaisons (DONE) | 16:03 |
| dims | 2. dims to research oslo mid-cycle possibilities (IN PROGRESS) | 16:03 |
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| dims | i've sent out a call for liaisons, if you know anyone who may be interested, please ping them | 16:03 |
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| dims | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:04 | |
| bnemec | o/ | 16:04 |
| dims | any fallout from the release or the uncapping of requirements? | 16:04 |
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| bknudson | None for keystone that I know of | 16:04 |
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| dims | hi bnemec | 16:04 |
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| dims | dhellmann: one question i had was not all python clients seem to have their requirements synced to global requirements for stable/kilo. | 16:05 |
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| * dhellmann is on the phone | 16:05 | |
| dims | dhellmann: ack. we can talk later | 16:05 |
| dims | hey stevemar | 16:05 |
| dims | switching topics | 16:06 |
| dims | #topic Releases for this week | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Releases for this week (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:06 | |
| dims | Anyone need releases? | 16:06 |
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| dims | zzzeek: or any other oslo.db folks - Do we need https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168942/ in stable/kilo? (and put out a release) | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | dims: we are going to discuss dealing with library requirements in stable branches at the summit, so we're holding off on making any other changes | 16:06 |
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| dims | dhellmann: ack. thanks | 16:07 |
| zzzeek | hey | 16:07 |
| zzzeek | sorry someone knocked on my door | 16:07 |
| zzzeek | i dont think this is critical for kilo | 16:07 |
| dims | zzzeek: so we should not merge it unless we want to release it. (i think!) | 16:07 |
| dims | right dhellmann? | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | dims: I had down on my todo list an oslo.middleware release for this morning, and ended up side-tracked with summit planning | 16:08 |
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| dims | dhellmann: i can take care of that | 16:08 |
| dims | #action dims to release oslo.middlware | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | dims: cool, thanks -- normally I wouldn't mind doing it, but today got away from me | 16:08 |
| dims | zzzeek: ok with holding up that review? | 16:08 |
| zzzeek | dims: yes | 16:08 |
| dims | thanks | 16:08 |
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| dims | anyone else have things that got merged in stable/ branch? | 16:09 |
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| dims | and needs a release, please ping me later | 16:09 |
| dims | #topic Ongoing work & Review priorities | 16:09 |
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| dhellmann | dims: we shouldn't need anything to test with alpha versions of sqla in stable branches because we won't use alpha versions there | 16:09 |
| dims | dhellmann: ack | 16:09 |
| dims | jd__: floor is yours, you had stuck reviews | 16:10 |
| jd__ | what, you want me to whine about all my reviews? awesome! | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:10 |
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| dims | yep. i think you had 2 that had conflicts :) | 16:10 |
| jd__ | I think the main issues is this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148500/ | 16:10 |
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| jd__ | it seems we agree that the patch is OK but how to propagate that in other projects is a problem | 16:11 |
| jd__ | as said on openstack-dev, I wrote a couple of patches already and getting the merged is… complicated | 16:11 |
| bknudson | I don't think keystone is using strtime | 16:11 |
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| jd__ | basically if we deprecated before removing usage, logs are flooded and people complain, and if we try to remove usage before deprecating, nobody cares | 16:11 |
| jd__ | anyone has a better plan? :) | 16:12 |
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| bknudson | ./keystone/token/providers/common.py: 'issued_at': timeutils.strtime(), | 16:12 |
| bknudson | actually, it is. | 16:12 |
| dims | jd__: so let's do #1 :) let them complain :) | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177848/ i guess is connected/related (if we really decide PendingDeprecationWarning is better than DeprecationWarning) | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | what I'm doing with the namespace patches is submitting them, and then I'll submit changes to our libraries with Depends-on set to the patches in the other projects | 16:12 |
| jd__ | dims: dhellmann thinks that this does not help Oslo reputation (and I understand that) | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | right, when we make it look like we're spamming the logs or breaking the gate, it makes projects think twice before using our libraries | 16:13 |
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| bnemec | Could we mark it deprecated in the docstring first so we have something to point at when we submit patches to other projects? | 16:13 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: well but nobody will care about your patches :( | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | bnemec: I like that | 16:13 |
| bnemec | Then once we think we've got it everywhere turn on the warning. | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | jd__: some of mine are already merged, actually | 16:13 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: lucky you :p | 16:13 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: I guess those are less controversial | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | although in my case it has been an ongoing project, so there's more awareness | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 16:13 |
| dims | bnemec: +1 | 16:13 |
| jd__ | bnemec: that might be a good plan | 16:13 |
| bknudson | if it's proposed to keystone I'll put it on my short list | 16:14 |
| dims | bknudson: thanks! | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | we can also ask for liaisons to help with patches, so jd__ doesn't have to write them all himself | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | mine are mostly mechanical, so I have a script that produces them so I don't mind doing it myself | 16:14 |
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| dims | jd__: which project did you have most trouble with? (cinder?) any help from liaison? | 16:14 |
| bknudson | my reviews in keystone take a long time to merge since I can't +2 them. | 16:14 |
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| dims | bknudson: throwing a hint at keystone cores? :) | 16:15 |
| jd__ | dims: CInder mainly, and nova a bit too | 16:15 |
| stevemar | bknudson, you have too many to review :P | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | jd__: I also suggest including in the commit messages in the other projects a deadline after which we're going to consider the deprecation in effect. In this case that would mean saying something like "we will add a deprecation warning to the logs after L-2" or whatever deadline you pick | 16:15 |
| bknudson | it's a hint to jd__ that it would be better if he submitted it | 16:15 |
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| jd__ | dims: I didn't try reaching liaison, my past experiences discouraged me | 16:15 |
| jd__ | but I'm clearly not going to write any more patches at this stage | 16:15 |
| dims | jd__: y, i'll pester^H^H^H^H^H^Hencourage them jd__ | 16:16 |
| jd__ | so yeah, liaison that's a work for you | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | jd__: see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178281/ for example | 16:16 |
| bknudson | is there a bug already? | 16:16 |
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| jd__ | bknudson: about strtime? no | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | dims: maybe we should write up a generalized version of this process for future reference | 16:17 |
| bknudson | part of the point of strftime is that we can override utcnow and get the same time all over | 16:18 |
| dims | dhellmann: spec or wiki? | 16:18 |
| jd__ | bknudson: that's still covered | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | dims: we moved all of our policies to the spec repo, didn't we? | 16:18 |
| dims | y | 16:18 |
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| dims | dhellmann: if you have some notes, i can turn it into a spec, since am sure you are busy with summit work | 16:19 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: dims: I think it's a good idea. It's a bit sad, but it seems we need to have policy and things that make some kind of authority to push things forward and remove technical debt in the project | 16:19 |
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| bknudson | python warnings also provides a pending deprecation warning | 16:19 |
| dhellmann | dims: I think just the discussion from this meeting, although I could give you more detail on justification for not just throwing deprecation warnings around | 16:20 |
| dims | dhellmann: cool, i'll get started and you can throw your notes in comments | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | bknudson, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177848/ ;) | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | jd__: the point of writing it down is to say to the next person, "this is what we figured out that works" | 16:20 |
| bknudson | harlowja_at_home: nice! | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | dims: sounds good | 16:21 |
| dims | #action dims to write up how to deprecate better to avoid adoption issues | 16:21 |
| bnemec | Wasn't this also going to be a summit topic? | 16:21 |
| dims | also, please touch up reviews (kilo->liberty) | 16:21 |
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| jd__ | harlowja_at_home: once you release that I'll rework my patch to use it :) | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | so, short term, if jd__ submits a patch to just document the deprecation I will +2 that so we can point to it as "fact" for anyone objecting to patches anywhere else | 16:21 |
| dims | y bnemec, trying to put together so we can talk more at summmit | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | jd__, sure thing boss | 16:21 |
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| jd__ | dhellmann: is doc + PendingDeprecationWarning ok? | 16:22 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: or does it spam too? | 16:22 |
| bknudson | so I just want to be clear on one thing -- you all agree that strtime is going away? | 16:22 |
| bknudson | because the review has a -2 on it. | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | jd__: I don't know if it generates multiple log messages or not :-/ | 16:22 |
| dims | bknudson: yes, i believe it was a procedural -2 | 16:22 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: ok! I'll give it a try | 16:22 |
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| jd__ | go ahead dims :) | 16:23 |
| dhellmann | bknudson, dims : right, I wanted us to work out the process first | 16:23 |
| dims | specs, please touch up from kilo -> liberty | 16:23 |
| dims | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack%2Foslo-specs+is:open,n,z | 16:23 |
| dims | anyone wants to bring up any spec for a quick discussion? | 16:24 |
| dims | k | 16:24 |
| dims | #topic liberty planning | 16:24 |
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| dims | anyone have conflicts that i need to address? | 16:24 |
| dims | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-oslo-summit-planning | 16:25 |
| dims | #link https://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/design+summit/Oslo | 16:25 |
| dims | if someone can't make it to a session and wants me to present their POV, let me know please | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | or man those titles are super-awesome, haha | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | *oh mn | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | *oh man | 16:25 |
| dims | harlowja_at_home: ++++ | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:25 |
| dims | i will populate descriptions today | 16:25 |
| dims | #topic Open discussion | 16:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:26 | |
| dims | so nova has a tool for abandoing reviews - i was trying to see if it will be useful for us - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179780/ | 16:26 |
| dims | old stale reviews basically | 16:26 |
| dims | 12 weeks with a core reviewer blocking with -2 | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | so another library that oslo could adopt, tardis (unless people have a better name); bascially the code from https://github.com/openstack/taskflow/blob/master/taskflow/types/futures.py | 16:27 |
| dims | 12 weeks without comment and failed Jenkins test | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | dims: how many reviews does that apply to? | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | just wanted to fyi people on that | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | http://sourceforge.net/p/pypi/support-requests/494/ (me trying to get name of that pypi package back from dead? owner) | 16:27 |
| dims | dhellmann: this morning yielded about a dozen or so | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | oslo.messaging i think wants to use/share that (so hopefully can have that for liberty) | 16:28 |
| dims | so far only the following projects | 16:28 |
| bknudson | oslo doesn't have friday meetup? | 16:28 |
| dims | PROJECTS="(project:^.*openstack/oslo.*)" | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | ok. I'm not generally in favor of auto-abandoning reviews. I used to be, but the case has been made by different folks on the mailing list that it's somewhat socially hostile, and so I've changed my mind. | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home: sounds good! do we need a spec or just a blueprint? | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, oh, i should do that | 16:28 |
| sileht | dhellmann, just BP should be sufficient | 16:29 |
| dims | dhellmann: how do we raise awareness to old reviews? is there a better way? | 16:29 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: no, I don't think we asked for one because usually people need to work in their other projects then | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | or that to, i'm ok with whatever :-P | 16:29 |
| sileht | dhellmann, I have already a PoC for oslo.messaging that replace the executor code with the taskflow lib | 16:29 |
| dims | dhellmann: should it just add a message and not abandon? | 16:29 |
| dhellmann | dims: we could work on a dashboard query, and maybe get someone to volunteer to pick a few to highlight each week at the meeting? | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | i can throw a quick-spec together though if people want, no biggie | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | dims: adding a message is good, sure | 16:30 |
| bnemec | This is only to abandon things that _cannot_ merge though, right? | 16:30 |
| bnemec | Not things that need review. | 16:30 |
| dims | harlowja_at_home: +1 | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home: it's sort of nice to have a vote recorded to show the support for taking on the maintenance work | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | ok dokie | 16:30 |
| dims | bnemec: right, either -2 from core or -1 from jenkins | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | but it's also pretty obvious that we'll do it :-) | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | #action harlowja_at_home do spec for tardis (or whatever it will eventually be called) | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | bnemec: right, and we could set up the dashboard query to ignore those so we just don't see them if that's the issue. | 16:31 |
| dims | harlowja_at_home: under oslo namespace? | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | eck, doesn't seem needed | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | I think this is intended to be standalone | 16:31 |
| dims | do we need a spec then dhellmann? | 16:32 |
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| bnemec | dhellmann: Yeah, I just think we're talking about two completely separate sets of reviews - unmergeable ones that would be auto-abandoned by the tool, and old reviews that just need reviewer love. | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | dims: well, on the one hand we're asking the team to sign up for additional maintenance work so it's nice to make that explicit. OTOH, we could just vote in the meeting or something. | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | make as standalone as we can, and if can't then oslo namespace (but i forsee future where not needed to do that, hopefully) | 16:32 |
| dims | harlowja_at_home: ack | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | dims: we don't *need* a spec in this case, since we're just moving code from one place to another | 16:33 |
| dims | dhellmann: +1 | 16:33 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims, imho its similar to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141961/ (which is yet another standlone library like thing) | 16:33 |
| bnemec | Is there any api work needed though? | 16:33 |
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| bnemec | This is kind of like a graduation. | 16:33 |
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| dims | right | 16:34 |
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| dhellmann | right, the other point of the spec would be to document any additional work that needs to be done | 16:34 |
| harlowja_at_home | no api work needed afaik, i write perfect code obviously, lol | 16:34 |
| dhellmann | heh | 16:34 |
| bnemec | :-) | 16:34 |
| dims | haha | 16:34 |
| dhellmann | so if we don't think we need a spec, that's fine -- it's a tool for the team to decide how to use :-) | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | i write one anyway | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | not especially tough :-P | 16:35 |
| dims | ok switching topics then | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | people can -2 it if they want (and tell me to put it in garbage bin), either way | 16:35 |
| dims | #topic Open discussion | 16:35 |
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| dims | oops, we are already in open discussion :) | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | more discussion! | 16:36 |
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| dhellmann | more open! | 16:36 |
| dims | yay! | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | ha | 16:36 |
| bnemec | +open | 16:36 |
| dims | who is excited about Go stuff in swift? :) | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | :-/ | 16:37 |
| dims | do we want to experiment with something? | 16:37 |
| bknudson | we'll need to redevelop all of oslo in go | 16:37 |
| harlowja_at_home | i'm more on the meh side of it honestly | 16:37 |
| bknudson | and a lot of python libraries | 16:37 |
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| bnemec | Nah, swift doesn't use Oslo anyway. :-) | 16:37 |
| harlowja_at_home | swift has always been special, i guess they want to be more special, idk | 16:37 |
| dims | haha | 16:38 |
| notmyname | wow | 16:38 |
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| bnemec | dims: opened a can of worms here ;-) | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | to each there own though, just brings back memories of zookeeper and java ( http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-October/017916.html ) | 16:39 |
| dims | notmyname fwiw, i am interested in the experiement and learning! | 16:40 |
| dims | where can i pay attention? | 16:40 |
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| notmyname | dims: we've got a feature/hummingbird branch in the swift repo. and code will be in gerrit. and we'll talk in vancouver. of course in #openstack-swift. normal "talk about code" places. | 16:40 |
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| dims | notmyname: thanks just wanted to be sure | 16:41 |
| dims | flaper87: i saw a thread on pecan/falcon etc. any oslo implications there? | 16:42 |
| flaper87 | dims: none | 16:42 |
| dims | #link http://markmail.org/message/zqw4fijc4tmhhwup | 16:42 |
| dims | thanks flaper87 | 16:42 |
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| dims | that's all i had in terms of general news | 16:42 |
| dims | let's wrap it up then | 16:43 |
| flaper87 | np :) | 16:43 |
| harlowja_at_home | woot | 16:43 |
| dims | thanks everyone | 16:43 |
| dims | #endmeeting | 16:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 4 16:43:30 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-05-04-16.01.html | 16:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-05-04-16.01.txt | 16:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-05-04-16.01.log.html | 16:43 |
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| reed | dizquierdo, lets use the meeting channel | 17:10 |
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| reed | #startmeeting community | 17:10 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 4 17:10:06 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is reed. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:10 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: community)" | 17:10 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'community' | 17:10 |
| reed | #topic activity board | 17:10 |
| dizquierdo | here I am | 17:10 |
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| reed | what's the issue with the grimoirelib you mentioned about the affiliations and dates? | 17:11 |
| reed | It's not clear to me | 17:11 |
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| dizquierdo | reed, there are two dataes available when analyzing git repositories | 17:12 |
| dizquierdo | the author date | 17:12 |
| dizquierdo | and the committer date | 17:12 |
| dizquierdo | we initially provided the committer date, that is also the moment when the code is merged into master | 17:12 |
| dizquierdo | at some point, in grimoirelib, that date was changed to the author date | 17:12 |
| reed | why does that affect the affiliation? | 17:13 |
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| reed | dizquierdo, yt? | 17:15 |
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| dizquierdo | so, if we take the author date, the number of companies and authors is different because we filter the release by dates | 17:17 |
| dizquierdo | and not by branch | 17:17 |
| dizquierdo | so, for instance, | 17:17 |
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| reed | I understand that the total number of people can be different | 17:17 |
| reed | and total companies | 17:17 |
| dizquierdo | ooops | 17:17 |
| dizquierdo | here again, sorry | 17:17 |
| reed | probably there is a misunderstanding | 17:17 |
| reed | I have the feeling the question from Lauren is about the affiliations of yahoo people | 17:18 |
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| dizquierdo | reed, I disconnected before, sorry | 17:18 |
| dizquierdo | I missed you when you said "yt" | 17:18 |
| reed | like the list of 9 affiliated is wrong | 17:18 |
| dizquierdo | that I guess you meant your turn | 17:19 |
| reed | ahaha | 17:19 |
| dizquierdo | and yep, the Lauren question is still to be checked | 17:19 |
| reed | oh | 17:19 |
| reed | I just logged an issue on gh for this | 17:19 |
| dizquierdo | I wanted to work on this now basically :) | 17:19 |
| reed | https://github.com/VizGrimoire/VizGrimoireJS/issues/61 | 17:19 |
| dizquierdo | ah perfec | 17:19 |
| dizquierdo | t | 17:19 |
| dizquierdo | thanks reed | 17:20 |
| reed | ok, I'll let you work on that | 17:20 |
| dizquierdo | ok | 17:20 |
| reed | I'd like to go through the list of open reqeusts on GH at some point soon :) | 17:20 |
| dizquierdo | yesss, we have to, sorry u_u | 17:20 |
| dizquierdo | reed, extra questions? :) | 17:21 |
| reed | i know that we want to have first the spec proposed to infra | 17:21 |
| reed | no, we're good | 17:21 |
| reed | let's use the time to get the list of yahoo people | 17:21 |
| dizquierdo | ok | 17:21 |
| reed | #action dizquierdo to investigate the list of people affiliated with yahoo on the persons db | 17:21 |
| reed | #topic askbot upgrade | 17:22 |
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| reed | #info mrmartin, reed and evgeny doing work on #openstack-community channel | 17:22 |
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| mrmartin | o/ | 17:22 |
| reed | mrmartin, we're good | 17:22 |
| reed | let's keep working on the community channel | 17:22 |
| reed | closing the meeting | 17:23 |
| reed | #endmeeting | 17:23 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 4 17:23:06 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/community/2015/community.2015-05-04-17.10.html | 17:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/community/2015/community.2015-05-04-17.10.txt | 17:23 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/community/2015/community.2015-05-04-17.10.log.html | 17:23 |
| dizquierdo | ook | 17:23 |
| dizquierdo | thanks! | 17:23 |
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| davidlenwell | #startmeeting refstack | 18:57 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 4 18:57:35 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is davidlenwell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:57 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 18:57 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 18:57 |
| davidlenwell | Today's agenda: 1) Refstack PTL election 2) Recap last week action item 3) Plan for Refstack to demo to DefCore on May 6 | 18:57 |
| davidlenwell | 4) pending reviews 5)open discussion | 18:57 |
| davidlenwell | #topic roll call | 18:58 |
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| catherine_d|1 | o/ | 19:00 |
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| hogepodge | o/ | 19:02 |
| slypushenko__ | o/ | 19:02 |
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| pvaneck | o/ | 19:02 |
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| rockyg | O/ | 19:03 |
| davidlenwell | #topic 1) Refstack PTL election | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "1) Refstack PTL election (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 19:03 | |
| davidlenwell | nobody has reached out to put their name in the ring.. So unless I missed something catherine_d|1 is running unapposed.. which simplifies things.. | 19:03 |
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| davidlenwell | fi there are no objections I'd like to fomalize it now by saying hail to our new overlord ;) catherine_d|1 I know your are best fit for the job! | 19:07 |
| slypushenko__ | Fully agreed! | 19:07 |
| hogepodge | +1 | 19:08 |
| catherine_d|1 | davidlenwell: thank you ! I need to learn a lot from you | 19:08 |
| davidlenwell | congratulations catherine_d|1 | 19:08 |
| hogepodge | (+2, +1 workflow) | 19:08 |
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| rockyg | Yay! | 19:08 |
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| catherine_d|1 | Thank you every one! As a team, we will make our proejct flies high!!! | 19:09 |
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| davidlenwell | #topic 2) Recap last week action item | 19:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "2) Recap last week action item (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 19:10 | |
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| davidlenwell | 1) Q/A summit session: Chris (UUID) and Catherine (password issue) had added 2 sessions. Status: done | 19:10 |
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| davidlenwell | hogepodge and catherine_d|1 both added something to the etherpad right? | 19:11 |
| catherine_d|1 | yes | 19:11 |
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| davidlenwell | good.. thanks for following though on that .. | 19:11 |
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| davidlenwell | 2) need to decide on Refstack team face-2-face meeting at the summit. Pick a day for breakfast early in the week. Status: Open | 19:11 |
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| davidlenwell | I'd like to do this early in the week.. but I'll be flaxible.. | 19:12 |
| davidlenwell | flexible even | 19:13 |
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| catherine_d|1 | do we know where we should meet? | 19:13 |
| davidlenwell | I have no idea.. someones hotel resturant | 19:14 |
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| davidlenwell | okay .. next up 3) davidlenwell to provide login access for catherine to refstack.net server. Status: (should be done) | 19:15 |
| davidlenwell | is done | 19:16 |
| rockyg | Kewl | 19:16 |
| davidlenwell | http://refstack.net/#/ | 19:16 |
| davidlenwell | has stuff on it .. sould be good to demo | 19:16 |
| davidlenwell | catherine_d|1: is supposed to be uploading more results to it this week | 19:17 |
| catherine_d|1 | I just uploaded 2 sets of data ... | 19:17 |
| davidlenwell | 4) Commit the wsgi file asap. Sergey's patch was merged (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178712/). Status: Done | 19:17 |
| catherine_d|1 | thx slypushenko__: | 19:17 |
| slypushenko__ | catherine_d|1 welcome) | 19:18 |
| slypushenko__ | davidlenwell Demo looks really good! | 19:18 |
| davidlenwell | #topic 3) Plan for Refstack to demo to DefCore on May 6 | 19:19 |
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| davidlenwell | catherine_d|1: would you like to talk here ? | 19:19 |
| catherine_d|1 | should we meet sometime tomorrow to work on the slides and flow for the demo ... | 19:19 |
| davidlenwell | we can meet remotely | 19:20 |
| davidlenwell | I'm free in the afternoon | 19:20 |
| catherine_d|1 | davidlenwell: as our PTL you will leading the demo to show all our hardwork for the last year ... we will all be there to charm in ... this is our showtime | 19:20 |
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| catherine_d|1 | what time? I can send out call in umber and web meeting link // | 19:21 |
| davidlenwell | 2pm? | 19:21 |
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| catherine_d|1 | 2 mp is good for me ... how about other people? especcially slypushenko__: hope it is not too late for you ... | 19:22 |
| rockyg | Works for me | 19:22 |
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| catherine_d|1 | rockyg: great ... | 19:22 |
| catherine_d|1 | hogepodge: how about you? | 19:23 |
| hogepodge | I'll be at the defcore meeting | 19:23 |
| slypushenko__ | 2pm is very late for me, but it is not a bid deal. I think every thing will be fine without me | 19:24 |
| catherine_d|1 | davidlenwell: just want to confirm it is 2:00 pm PDT on Tuesday .. | 19:24 |
| davidlenwell | yes | 19:24 |
| davidlenwell | confirmed | 19:24 |
| catherine_d|1 | pvaneck: how about you? | 19:24 |
| pvaneck | whenever | 19:25 |
| catherine_d|1 | ok I will send out invitation and web link | 19:25 |
| catherine_d|1 | the demo to DefCore will be at 9:00 pdt on Wednesday ... can everyone make it? | 19:25 |
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| catherine_d|1 | 9:00 am pdt | 19:27 |
| davidlenwell | by the way .. catherine_d|1.. You're the ptl ;) but I can still run the demo | 19:27 |
| slypushenko__ | catherine_d|1 +1 | 19:27 |
| catherine_d|1 | davidlenwell: this is all the hard work for the last year .. | 19:27 |
| catherine_d|1 | I will be there .. | 19:28 |
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| davidlenwell | okay .. we'll hit the details then.. | 19:30 |
| davidlenwell | #topic 4) pending reviews | 19:30 |
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| davidlenwell | anyone have anything pending that needs the groups attention? | 19:31 |
| catherine_d|1 | not from the refstack and refstack-client .... but we have some issues with Tempest reviews ... | 19:32 |
| davidlenwell | call em out catherine_d|1 | 19:33 |
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| catherine_d|1 | Ok right now Refstack (tempest) will not pass a lot of tests in the environment that have stringent password rules ... Thjis will affect most of the public clouds | 19:34 |
| catherine_d|1 | bugs --> https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1448217 | 19:34 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1448217 in tempest "Password is not strong enough failures" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to yuxingw (yuxingw) | 19:34 |
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| catherine_d|1 | there are 2 patches attempt to fix this problem https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178546/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178561/ | 19:36 |
| catherine_d|1 | thx slypushenko__: for reviewed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178546/ | 19:36 |
| catherine_d|1 | we know it will take time for QA to merge them ... what is our possition? I know some public cloud will face this problem | 19:37 |
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| catherine_d|1 | in short, Refstack/Tempest will not being able to test public cloud ... | 19:38 |
| davidlenwell | patience with other teams should always be a high priority | 19:38 |
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| catherine_d|1 | hogepodge: but deadline to submit data is May 11 .... I am thinking you may get some email from public cloud vendors this week ... | 19:39 |
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| hogepodge | catherine_d|1: I have four groups verified passing, one that needs to fix a few tests, and many others in progress. | 19:40 |
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| slypushenko__ | 2_all: I think we have discussed most of important topics... I'm sorry, but I need to go. | 19:40 |
| catherine_d|1 | hogepodge: anyone of them failed because of password issues? | 19:40 |
| davidlenwell | thanks slypushenko__! | 19:41 |
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| catherine_d|1 | slypushenko__: thx | 19:41 |
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| hogepodge | catherine_d|1: no | 19:42 |
| davidlenwell | lets move on to open discusison | 19:42 |
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| davidlenwell | #topic 5) open discussion | 19:42 |
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| catherine_d|1 | davidlenwell: I think we are in open discussion | 19:42 |
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| davidlenwell | that was still pending reviews | 19:42 |
| catherine_d|1 | hogepodge: anyone of them are true public clouds? That means that they do not just build a cloud for the test ... | 19:43 |
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| catherine_d|1 | like HP cloud | 19:43 |
| catherine_d|1 | I think may have problem with password .... | 19:43 |
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| hogepodge | catherine_d|1: not submitted, but a few are in progress. | 19:44 |
| catherine_d|1 | davidlenwell: could we count this disussion as open discussion .. | 19:44 |
| davidlenwell | yes catherine_d|1 | 19:44 |
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| davidlenwell | talk about anything.. those are the rules :) | 19:45 |
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| hogepodge | I'd like to see more public clouds. I think it's going to take time, though. | 19:45 |
| catherine_d|1 | hogepodge: ic ... I am interesting to see whether they will hit this problem ... if they don't it just mean that their password rule in their public cloud are not swith trong rules | 19:45 |
| catherine_d|1 | with strong rules | 19:46 |
| catherine_d|1 | hogepodge: will we accept testing with the SHA that we define plus pulling code from pending review patches? | 19:47 |
| catherine_d|1 | hogepodge: I mean will OpenStack Foundation accepts ... | 19:47 |
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| hogepodge | catherine_d|1: what do you mean? | 19:48 |
| catherine_d|1 | say they build the test env with refstack-client ... setup_env (that with default SHA build on April 10) then pull https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178546/ and t https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178561/ on top of it .. | 19:49 |
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| hogepodge | It should be from a merged branch of Tempest | 19:52 |
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| catherine_d|1 | hogepodge: OK | 19:53 |
| hogepodge | If it's a bug-fixing patch, then there's no reason for it not to make it. But I'd hesitate to allow non-approved patches, since there's no guarantee that a patch will make it and would set a precedent to just send changes to get around what could be real interop problems | 19:53 |
| catherine_d|1 | hogepodge: In that case, I think the Refstack/DefCore need to help to set priority for QA to merge t https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178561/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178546/ | 19:54 |
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| hogepodge | catherine_d|1: ok | 19:55 |
| davidlenwell | okay .. we are reaching the end of our time together here today.. I'd like to offer my ongoing support and congratuations to our new PTL catherine_d|1 .. as always I'm in #refstack and available for reviews or any discussion you'd like.. | 19:55 |
| catherine_d|1 | because sooner or later public vendors will hit it | 19:55 |
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| catherine_d|1 | davidlenwell: thank you! | 19:56 |
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| davidlenwell | #endmeeting | 19:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 4 19:57:41 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-05-04-18.57.html | 19:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-05-04-18.57.txt | 19:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-05-04-18.57.log.html | 19:57 |
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| rockyg | Thanks all | 19:58 |
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| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 4 20:01:01 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:01 |
| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:01 |
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| elmiko | yo/ | 20:01 |
| dave-mccowan | o/ | 20:01 |
| hockeynut | o/ | 20:01 |
| arunkant | o/ | 20:01 |
| rellerreller | o/ (for 30 minutes) | 20:01 |
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| redrobot | as usual the agenda can be found here: | 20:02 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican | 20:02 |
| redrobot | #topic Action Items | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-04-27-20.00.html | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | x3k doesn't seem to be around | 20:03 |
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| woodster_ | o/ | 20:03 |
| redrobot | #action x3k to submit CR to barbican-specs for Versioned Objects | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | #action redrobot to talk to Greg Swift about DB being used in Fedora | 20:04 |
| * redrobot hasn't had a chance to work on action items | 20:04 | |
| redrobot | #action redrobot to clean up the barbican-specs repo | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | so I'll kick the can down the road | 20:04 |
| alee | o/ | 20:04 |
| redrobot | #topic Let's discuss and fine-tune the 'read-only' ACL user | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | woodster_ do you want to talk about this topic? | 20:05 |
| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-acl-read-only-user-discussion | 20:05 |
| woodster_ | I created a etherpad to help discuss this one | 20:05 |
| woodster_ | The long and the short is that there is a use case for retriving secrets by 'name' rather than UUID | 20:06 |
| woodster_ | ...for ACL-listed users | 20:06 |
| woodster_ | The current ACL approach only allows whitelisted users to get/decrypt secrets by UUID | 20:06 |
| redrobot | woodster_ we currently only allow secret retrieval by uuid | 20:07 |
| redrobot | woodster_ since names are not guaranteed to be unique | 20:07 |
| arunkant | woodster_, so do we need a secret/container lookup by name? | 20:07 |
| woodster_ | For automation use cases, wherby a system like Chef will retrieve a secret later, it would be nice to retreive by name instead | 20:07 |
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| woodster_ | well, a starting point would be allowing the ACL user to retrieve a list of secrets | 20:07 |
| woodster_ | ...or else allow them to have the audit role, and let the audit role get a list of secrets by name | 20:08 |
| redrobot | woodster_ just to be clear here, we're not talking about the current feature of being able to filter by name | 20:08 |
| woodster_ | the audit role currently doesn't support getting lists of secrets/containers | 20:08 |
| woodster_ | redrobot: well the current get list of secrets call gets teh list of secrets for a project | 20:08 |
| woodster_ | redrobot: you can then add a query parameter to filter by a name for examp;le | 20:09 |
| woodster_ | redrobot: the ACL user can't use this call currently though | 20:09 |
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| woodster_ | redrobot: so it seems a way for an ACL user to see all the secrets they are on the whitelist for, by name (or any other secret metadata) would be useful | 20:10 |
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| redrobot | woodster_ It seems that maybe list needs to be able to also include secrets that are accessible through the ACL? | 20:10 |
| rellerreller | woodster_ Would it be fair to say that you want to have access control for a key that does not yet exist? I'm trying to fully understand the issue. | 20:10 |
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| woodster_ | rellerreller: the detailed sequence is on the etherpad, but the idea is that the key is put up first (by an admin let's say), and then processes thereafter consume it. Similar to the LBaaS use case actually | 20:11 |
| redrobot | woodster_ so if the key is stored first, why isn't the UUID available for retrieving it later? | 20:11 |
| woodster_ | redrobot: my concern with modifying the current get call is that I think get by whitelist would be a more compute intensive query | 20:12 |
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| woodster_ | redrobot: that's why I'm suggesting adding something like a 'acl_only' flag as a query parameter to only support ACL queries | 20:13 |
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| woodster_ | redrobot: it might also be confusing if both ACL and project-based secrets are in the same result set that is returned | 20:13 |
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| arunkant | woodster_, so this "acl_only" list is going to be same regardless of which project secrets you are requesting ..right? | 20:14 |
| woodster_ | redrobot: if a script like a Chef cookbook is retrieving that key later, it a full URI to the secret would have to put into the ocnfigs. If that secret is later rotated, the URI would chagne, and so would the need to update the chef script. | 20:14 |
| woodster_ | redrobot: if by name, then the chef script woldn't have to change | 20:14 |
| redrobot | woodster_ I would argue that the URI could be added as a databag value. If the secret is rotated, the value should be updated. | 20:15 |
| woodster_ | arunkant: that's correct, it would search across projects, giving you all the secets you are on the ACL for | 20:15 |
| hockeynut | woodster_ that does sound like a lot of DB query work | 20:16 |
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| woodster_ | redrobot: that would be an additional step you'd have to put into your deployment after rotation that otherwise would not be required | 20:16 |
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| woodster_ | hockeynut: yeah, that's why I'd prefer separating the result sets returned. Combining the result sets, esp. for a paged list request, would be more painful I think | 20:17 |
| hockeynut | so the issue is that acl cuts across projects | 20:18 |
| woodster_ | redrobot: we've talked about adding more ACL support to our resources, beyond the simple get by UUID one we have now. Adding support for ACL lists I think is the next logical one and has benefits on the automation front I believe | 20:18 |
| woodster_ | hockeynut: indeed it does | 20:18 |
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| woodster_ | (are folks gathering their torches and pitchforks?) | 20:20 |
| redrobot | woodster_ I think it's a big enough change to warrant a blueprint. I'm on board with adding a new flag to GET /secrets so that it only returns ACLed secrets. | 20:20 |
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| redrobot | woodster_ I'm still not sold on the get-by-name feature though | 20:20 |
| redrobot | woodster_ for starters we would have to start enforcing name uniqueness | 20:21 |
| woodster_ | redrobot: this definitely requires a blueprint, but I wanted to make sure the general approach was ok with folks | 20:21 |
| arunkant | woodster_, so there would be two step..one get UUID(s) by using "acl_only" and "name" query parameters..and then using that UUID to get actual key data...is that the flow? | 20:21 |
| redrobot | arunkant that's what I'm trying to get to also. | 20:21 |
| woodster_ | redrobot: I'm suggesting not enforcing uniqueness...so two 'foo' named secrets would show up in the get by secrets...the admin of the project would need to ensure only one secret exists. Or better still use named containers to hold secrets | 20:22 |
| woodster_ | arunkant: that is correct...so still a two step process since uniqueness is not assured. | 20:22 |
| redrobot | woodster_ I see, but the fetching of the secret would still use UUID? | 20:22 |
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| woodster_ | containers do enforce secret-key-name uniqueness though, so they would be the better choice | 20:23 |
| elmiko | woodster_: requiring admins to ensure name uniqueness seems a little fragile, imo | 20:23 |
| woodster_ | redrobot: yes, the actual decrypt would be by UUID | 20:23 |
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| redrobot | woodster_ ok, that was the part that wasn't clear for me. I'm on board now. :) | 20:23 |
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| woodster_ | elmiko: I think folks would use containers, like 'staging-dfw' to represent an environment let's say. And then have 'database-n01' as a secret key inside that container | 20:24 |
| elmiko | woodster_: yea, that makes much more sense. | 20:24 |
| rellerreller | Are container names unique? | 20:24 |
| woodster_ | of course the other thing that's needed if containers are use is.... | 20:24 |
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| woodster_ | ...the abilty to modify the secret put into a generic container type :) | 20:24 |
| redrobot | rellerreller container names themselves are not unique. but within a container, you assign names to the secrets it contains, and those names are unique per container. | 20:25 |
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| rellerreller | So how does adding them to a container help? | 20:25 |
| woodster_ | rellerreller: container names are not unique either but are easier to keep static...once you create your 'staging-dfw' environment container, you are done. Never have to mess with it again (errr...unless we aren't cool with mutable generic containers :) | 20:26 |
| rellerreller | If the container name is not unique then it seems like you still have the same problem where two things could be named the same thing. | 20:26 |
| redrobot | woodster_ sounds like the filter-by-name feature is needed in the containers, not the secrets | 20:26 |
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| woodster_ | rellerreller: the nice thing about a mutable generic container is that the key-name uniqueness is enforced...you could only have one 'database-n01' secret stuck in there at a time | 20:27 |
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| redrobot | woodster_ the chef script would filter-by-name on container, then just use the container references to fetch the secrets it needs | 20:27 |
| rellerreller | woodster_ But I still have the problem that two containers could be named the same thing. I feel like we just pushed that problem up a level. | 20:28 |
| woodster_ | redrobot: that is probably true. Simple projects with one or two secrets probably would just go the secret route I'd think | 20:28 |
| rellerreller | I thought the problem was that two keys could have the same name and you need to know which one to choose. | 20:28 |
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| woodster_ | rellerreller: I think the issue is a referencing one...having a common name to refer to a secret in automation/down-stream scripting that doesn't have to change if I change/rotate the upstream secret. Also having a human readable name. | 20:29 |
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| woodster_ | rellerreller: I don't think uniqness by name is a requirement though. | 20:30 |
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| redrobot | rellerreller sounds like woodster_ can push the responsibility to keep the name unique to his user | 20:30 |
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| woodster_ | rellerreller: if we did want that as a requirement, I think we'd need a new tagging field for that purpose | 20:30 |
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| rellerreller | redrobot I agree. That's why I think it could be on secret. Not sure why containers are being involved. | 20:31 |
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| woodster_ | redrobot: well in the automation use case, the admin would be responsible for managing secrets properly for the system | 20:31 |
| woodster_ | rellerreller: if on the container, then if I change that databse password, I just replace it within the container...the container UUID/name would not change | 20:32 |
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| redrobot | so I think the changes boil down to: Add flag to list secrets by ACL-secrets only, and ensure it can filter by name. And also add filter-by-name to containers. That hsould about cover it, right woodster_ ? | 20:32 |
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| woodster_ | rellerreller: if we don't want mutable generic containers though, then I agree the benefit is not as great | 20:32 |
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| redrobot | woodster_ I think Generic Containers are currently mutable, so no change needed there. | 20:33 |
| woodster_ | redrobot: I think the ACL-based query is needed | 20:33 |
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| woodster_ | redrobot: well we don't have a PUT for containers, so they aren't 'officially' mutable :) | 20:33 |
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| redrobot | woodster_ I think a POST will re-write a generic container? | 20:34 |
| woodster_ | redrobot: I was hopeful everyone was on board with makign them mutable for real (by adding PUT support) | 20:34 |
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| woodster_ | redrobot: oh wow, not sure I like that | 20:34 |
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| woodster_ | redrobot: I'll research that one. I'd really prefer a PUT call to modify a container though. | 20:35 |
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| redrobot | woodster_ I'm making a note to look into that. | 20:35 |
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| redrobot | #action woodster_ to research mutability of generic containers. | 20:35 |
| woodster_ | redrobot: I can 'put' (pun intended) up a blueprint to add PUT containers support | 20:36 |
| elmiko | lol... | 20:36 |
| joesavak | fyi - keystone- uses post to update users - http://docs.openstack.org/developer/keystone/api_curl_examples.html#post-v3-users - | 20:36 |
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| joesavak | probably just need to see what other os services do too in that research | 20:36 |
| woodster_ | rellerreller: are you ok with all of this though, esp. the ACL query part? | 20:36 |
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| woodster_ | joesavak: good point, I'll take a look | 20:36 |
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| rellerreller | woodster_ I don't really have a strong opinion at the moment. | 20:37 |
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| elmiko | +1 for PUT to update | 20:37 |
| redrobot | joesavak woodster_ the way I'm used to seeing these is that POST will overwrite the entity, and PUT adds to it. | 20:37 |
| dstanek | HTTP semantics say that PUT will replace the resource | 20:37 |
| joesavak | +1 redrobot. In the case of keystone PUT is more used for assignments. "Add" role to group of users for example | 20:38 |
| woodster_ | I've always thought POSTs were creational, and PUTs replaced the entity (without changing its UUID) | 20:38 |
| rellerreller | woodster_ I'm mostly trying to figure out if this is necessary and what problem is being solved. Mostly curious. Will there be a bp? | 20:38 |
| woodster_ | rellerreller: yes, I'll put up a bp for this | 20:38 |
| rellerreller | Cool. | 20:38 |
| elmiko | woodster_: that's what i thought too | 20:38 |
| dstanek | woodster_: you are mostly correct (POST is more general) | 20:38 |
| rellerreller | I have to run now. Later :) | 20:38 |
| redrobot | bye rellerreller ! | 20:38 |
| elmiko | later! | 20:38 |
| hockeynut | L8R | 20:39 |
| woodster_ | rellerreller: take care | 20:39 |
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| woodster_ | I can see what other projects do here though | 20:40 |
| elmiko | might be worth checking the api-wg guidelines too, not sure if this issue has been covered yet though. | 20:40 |
| arunkant | woodster_, not sure how name uniqueness issue is resolved..looking forward to this bp as referring keys by name can be useful in some cases. | 20:41 |
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| woodster_ | briancurtin: are you available? | 20:41 |
| briancurtin | woodster_: yeah, what's up | 20:41 |
| woodster_ | arunkant: this wouldn't resolve multiple keys with the same name...those are still optional metadata about a secret. | 20:42 |
| woodster_ | briancurtin: do you know if the api-wg has tackled PUT vs POST semantics | 20:42 |
| redrobot | arunkant yeah, it doesn't seem name uniqueness is a requirement for woodster_ 's use case | 20:42 |
| woodster_ | briancurtin: ...in terms of standardizing access across resources, across projects | 20:43 |
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| briancurtin | woodster_: i'm not a part of that so i don't know, everett toews (etoews in at least #openstack-sdks and #openstack-api) would know better | 20:43 |
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| woodster_ | arunkant: a fail safe for clients that care that there is more than one secret would be for them to fail and notify of the issue perhaps | 20:43 |
| woodster_ | briancurtin: thanks, I can follow up with him then as part of my action time...does that make sense redrobot ? | 20:44 |
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| redrobot | woodster_ yep, sounds good | 20:44 |
| elmiko | woodster_: looks like there is no official guideline yet | 20:44 |
| redrobot | #action woodster_ to check with API-WG about POST vs PUT semantics. | 20:44 |
| woodster_ | wow, that all hogged up 3/4 of our meeting time :) | 20:45 |
| woodster_ | nothing else on the agenda though? | 20:45 |
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| redrobot | woodster_ good thing it was the only item on the agenda | 20:45 |
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| woodster_ | redrobot: ha! | 20:46 |
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| elmiko | might we talk about castellan planning? | 20:46 |
| redrobot | #topic Castellan | 20:46 |
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| redrobot | what's up elmiko ? | 20:46 |
| elmiko | i know there are some nice changes planned for liberyt, | 20:46 |
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| elmiko | i'm curious about how best to sync up with those efforts | 20:46 |
| redrobot | elmiko so the folks at John's Hopkins are driving the Castellan effort | 20:47 |
| redrobot | elmiko so that'll be rellerreller (who just left) or kfarr | 20:48 |
| redrobot | elmiko and a couple others whose nicks escape me. | 20:48 |
| kfarr | elmiko rellerreller and I are working on an etherpad page, I can ping you when it's up :) | 20:48 |
| elmiko | kfarr: that would be excellent! | 20:48 |
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| redrobot | elmiko if you'll be in Vancouver, then kfarr and I will be leading a Castellan fishbowl | 20:49 |
| elmiko | kfarr, redrobot, the sahara team would like to integrate with castellan. so i just want to make sure that we can help if possible to get things in order =) | 20:49 |
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| kfarr | elmiko, that sounds great! Do you have a date you'd want to integrate by? | 20:50 |
| elmiko | kfarr: i have this spec up now, #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179393/ | 20:50 |
| elmiko | and i'm working on a prototype now. switching from our old barbican approach. | 20:50 |
| kfarr | elmiko, I'll take a look | 20:51 |
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| elmiko | rellerreller cautioned me that big changes were coming, so i'd like to help get the changes in if possible. | 20:51 |
| elmiko | ultimately sahara would like to have this feature for the Liberty release | 20:51 |
| elmiko | (but i was pusing for L-1 in our internal planning) | 20:51 |
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| elmiko | i realize this might not happen with the changes proposed for castellan | 20:53 |
| kfarr | elmiko, ah, ok, will you be at the summit? | 20:53 |
| elmiko | yes | 20:53 |
| kfarr | elmiko it'll be much easier once we get that etherpad page up I think. We were looking at changes all the way through Liberty | 20:54 |
| kfarr | so I'm not sure at the moment which changes will be affecting Sahara | 20:55 |
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| elmiko | kfarr, i think some of the abc changes, at least that's what rellerreller lead on about. i'll just keep poking =) | 20:56 |
| kfarr | Sounds good elmiko, thanks! | 20:56 |
| redrobot | alrighty y'all we're just about out of time | 20:57 |
| redrobot | thanks for coming! | 20:57 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 4 20:57:41 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-05-04-20.01.html | 20:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-05-04-20.01.txt | 20:57 |
| elmiko | redrobot: thanks! | 20:57 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-05-04-20.01.log.html | 20:57 |
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