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| rkukura | Hi ML2ers! | 15:59 |
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| yamamoto | hi | 16:00 |
| shivharis | hi | 16:00 |
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| Sukhdev | Hello | 16:00 |
| yamahata | hello! | 16:00 |
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| * Sukhdev lets give 1 min for others to join in | 16:01 | |
| yalie | hi | 16:01 |
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| manishg | hi | 16:01 |
| Sukhdev | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 13 16:01:59 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 16:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Agenda | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ": Agenda (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 16:02 | |
| Sukhdev | #ilnk: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Agenda | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | Welcome folks to ML2 meeting | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Announcements: | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ": Announcements: (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 16:02 | |
| Sukhdev | I am proposing that we cancel next two meetings | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | we will be at summit next week and tired the following week recovering from travels | 16:03 |
| shivharis | duh..ok | 16:03 |
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| yamahata | +1 | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | Is everybody OK with this? | 16:03 |
| yamamoto | +1 | 16:03 |
| rkukura | +1 | 16:03 |
| yalie | +1 | 16:04 |
| Sukhdev | cool | 16:04 |
| Sukhdev | Lets dive into the Agenda then | 16:04 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Task Flow discussion | 16:04 |
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| Sukhdev | #link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aSgTVB7nW_v7lHH0Z0DUgfymEsx0O16k1Jgu7QFXkFA/edit?usp=sharing | 16:04 |
| Sukhdev | manishg: want to lead the discussion? | 16:04 |
| Sukhdev | Are folks reviewing the document? | 16:05 |
| manishg | sure. would like to first know if folks have the read document :) | 16:05 |
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| manishg | I updated the doc based on the discussion from last week. | 16:05 |
| shivharis | btw: i am ok with not going through all the state changes - as discussed last meeting | 16:05 |
| rkukura | I see there have been signficant updates since I last looked! | 16:05 |
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| manishg | rkukura: yeah, the updates are based on last meeting | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: you mean intermediate states, right? | 16:06 |
| shivharis | Sukhdev: yes | 16:06 |
| manishg | rkukura: one of the items was to update the document with the discussion. | 16:06 |
| rkukura | manishg: Much appreciated! | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | manishg: the doc is looking good - | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | But, I did not see any additional comments on it - I saw one and answered it | 16:07 |
| manishg | based on comments I've tried to put the conclusion in proposal #1 - which is also echoed you and Sukhdev also suggested. | 16:07 |
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| manishg | The idea is to let the updates continue to happen, and intermediate updates won't count (assuming the original operation is still in-progress). Once the operation on back-end is done, it moves on to the latest db state and tries to execute that. | 16:09 |
| manishg | I have noted the issues as well. | 16:09 |
| manishg | One thing not mentioned in the document is that we should move in lock-step with all the mechanism drivers registered for the resource. This way the backend state is consistent. | 16:10 |
| rkukura | manishg: What do you mean by “move in lock-step with all the MDs …”? | 16:10 |
| manishg | Let's say have operations O1, O2, O3, O4. O2-4 happenn while all mech-drivers are still on O1. | 16:10 |
| manishg | if some drivers finish O1, then we still wait for others to finish O1. | 16:11 |
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| manishg | before moving to realizing latest state O4. | 16:11 |
| manishg | This way if O4 , fails we can move back to known good state O1. If all drivers (registered for the resource) are in different states then the resource is not considered in consistent state. | 16:12 |
| manishg | rkukura: makes sense? | 16:12 |
| rkukura | manishg: Wouldn’t that mean one MD having problems would block all other MDs? Are we sure this is what we want? | 16:12 |
| rkukura | I’m thinking a more optimistic strategy might be better. | 16:12 |
| manishg | If an MD is having issues with a resource then do we actually want to move ahead with others? | 16:12 |
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| Sukhdev | manishg: I think so | 16:13 |
| rkukura | We basically would move forward assuming the MDs will eventually catch up. | 16:13 |
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| manishg | is the resource considered realized if one of the MDs that is registered doesn't complete the operation? | 16:13 |
| Sukhdev | manishg: let the sync process take care of dealing with the failures | 16:13 |
| rkukura | And make it visible to clients via the state whether MDs are caught up. | 16:13 |
| rkukura | But not try to roll-back operations that have appeared to complete from the client’s perspective. | 16:13 |
| manishg | rkukura: hmm... so really an operation is N independent operations (one per registered driver)? | 16:14 |
| rkukura | Here, complete means the REST operation returned, but MDs may not have synced yet. | 16:14 |
| manishg | if we do that, what would really a rollback mean? | 16:14 |
| rkukura | I’m thinking the operation is really the DB state change. The drivers are always chasing the DB state. | 16:14 |
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| Sukhdev | manishg: rollback becomes less interesting - I mentioned this in one of my comments | 16:15 |
| shivharis | rkukura: is this a security hole? | 16:15 |
| manishg | so then there is really no rollback. | 16:15 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: security hole - you lost me there | 16:15 |
| shivharis | let me explain: | 16:16 |
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| Sukhdev | manishg: I think so | 16:16 |
| manishg | rkukura, Sukhdev: so if an MD fails, then the state of that resource is really unknown and the operator must figure it out. | 16:16 |
| shivharis | a network get s deleted, some mds do not delete the network( i.e. vlan) | 16:16 |
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| manishg | is everyone else okay with no rollback? | 16:16 |
| shivharis | new network gets created for a new vm - but the vlan is not released by some backend | 16:17 |
| rkukura | I think I’m OK with no rollback of updates that have been committed to the DB. | 16:17 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: This case can not happen if the VLAN is still in the DB | 16:17 |
| manishg | rkukura: so in case of error, the resource is sort of abandoned/ error state for operator to interven? | 16:18 |
| rkukura | Maybe shivharis’s scenario could be avoided by not releasing a network’s resources (i.e. VLANs) until the delete has really completed for all MDs. | 16:18 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: correct - long time ago we discussed this in ML2 meeting | 16:18 |
| shivharis | so that is a hole that needs special attention - are there any other such? | 16:18 |
| manishg | shivharis: in this case, the db delete will be marked 'DELETING' | 16:18 |
| manishg | shivharis: so cannot use the resource until it's gone from db. | 16:19 |
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| shivharis | so this logic should also be taken care for in delete port | 16:19 |
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| Sukhdev | manishg: simply reverse the calls in ML2 plugin - i.e. post_commit_delete() ahead of pre_commig_delete() | 16:19 |
| shivharis | or in general all objects | 16:19 |
| manishg | Sukhdev: there is no concept of pre- post- anymore. why do you need it? | 16:20 |
| manishg | the idea is to update the state, then after it's realized set it to final state. | 16:20 |
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| Sukhdev | manishg: I know, I used it to elaborate the idea - that it should be in the reverse direction | 16:20 |
| manishg | shivharis: this applies to all resources. | 16:20 |
| rkukura | manishg: I think the client API should be designed such that normally, if the operation completes and the REST call returns, the expectation is that the things are working. If this isn’t the case, it should be visible to the client via the status of the resource, and the operator should be able to get more details (i.e. from admin ops and/or logs). | 16:20 |
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| manishg | Sukhdev: it doesn't need to be reversed. you mark it 'DELETING' in db. then call drivers async. when they are done, delete from db. | 16:21 |
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| Sukhdev | manishg: that means the same - we are on the same page | 16:21 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: +1 | 16:21 |
| shivharis | only if all backends say deleted - only then the resource gets deleted | 16:21 |
| manishg | Sukhdev: if we are doing async, it is not the same thing | 16:22 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: Nova API, I believe, work like that | 16:22 |
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| manishg | rkukura: are we saying , the calls are 'sync' (= blocking)? | 16:22 |
| manishg | because otherwise when the call returns , things aren't working (because they are being set in parallel) | 16:22 |
| rkukura | manishg: I think we are saying that clients use the API in a synchronous way - i.e. they continue with the next step when the call returns. But if they need to, they can look to see if the backends are in sync. | 16:23 |
| rkukura | The point where we really need to make sure the backends are in sync is when we notify nova that a port is plugged adn the VM can continue booting. | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | manishg: no sync - all is async, the burden is shifted to client side | 16:24 |
| manishg | rkukura: ok. then we are on same page. call returns and clients can proceed with next operation but the operation in the backend may be still going on. The clients would need to know that much. | 16:24 |
| manishg | Sukhdev: if all is sync, calling "post-" first will not change anything . By the time it's actually executed the pre- would have deleted from db. | 16:24 |
| manishg | so, the intermediate state is the way to go. | 16:25 |
| manishg | and that doesn't have any issues that shivharis mentioned. | 16:25 |
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| manishg | I think we are all on the same page more or less that in the end backend should sync with db (outside of rest call) | 16:26 |
| Sukhdev | manishg: I am not a huge fan of intermediate state | 16:26 |
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| Sukhdev | manishg: agree with your last statement | 16:26 |
| rkukura | By “intermediate state”, do you mean CREATING, UPDATING, and DELETING? | 16:26 |
| manishg | rkukura: yes | 16:26 |
| manishg | I think for async that will be sort of a basic requirement. agree? | 16:27 |
| Sukhdev | manishg: Oh I misunderstood - then I am OK as well with intermediate state | 16:27 |
| manishg | ok. there are two main questions I have. | 16:27 |
| manishg | One was about the lock-step issue (error in one driver). | 16:27 |
| rkukura | Are we agreeing that if you create a network and it returns in CREATING state (MDs not yet synced), its OK to immediately create a port on that network? | 16:27 |
| manishg | How do we deal with that. I think we didn't close that. | 16:27 |
| rkukura | Specifically, that the client doesn’t have to way for a READY state before creating the port? | 16:28 |
| manishg | rkukura: I think we are agreeing that we can perform other operations on that resource. But in this example, | 16:28 |
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| manishg | I think the resource would have to be realized, correct? | 16:29 |
| rkukura | s/way/wait/ | 16:29 |
| rkukura | The resource would be realized in the DB. | 16:29 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: the desired state and actual state are not same (based upon my model), hence, the resource is not available yet | 16:29 |
| manishg | if the backend can deal with this then it shouldn't be an issue. | 16:29 |
| rkukura | But the backend work would be async. | 16:29 |
| manishg | so in this case, the port-creation would need to wait for the network-creation. | 16:30 |
| rkukura | I’m arguing for an “optimistic” approach where the client proceeds creating and using resources without normally worrring about whether the backends are in sync. | 16:31 |
| manishg | inter-resource dependency. I need to think more about this. I was mainly focusing on operations on the same resource. any ideas? | 16:31 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: one should not be allowed to act on that resource until desired state == actual state - they could create port on different network, but, not on this one | 16:31 |
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| manishg | rkukura: yes, the client could move ahead. but the backend may not be able to. | 16:31 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: I think trying to reject API calls related to the resource would break exisitng clients badly. | 16:32 |
| manishg | Sukhdev: what does the client see? desired state? | 16:32 |
| Sukhdev | manishg: correct | 16:32 |
| manishg | I think rkukura is trying to preserve the existing model where client doesn't change. | 16:32 |
| manishg | Sukhdev: in that case, the client might as well as see if the state is READY or not (ACTIVE or not), etc. | 16:32 |
| rkukura | Why not just let the API proceed from transaction to transaction, and only really wait for the backend to catch up when absolutely necessary (like when notifying nova the port is up)? | 16:32 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: actually - more I think about it, I think, it would be OK to allow subsequent operations - that would be OK | 16:32 |
| manishg | but rkukura is saying the client shouldn't have to. | 16:32 |
| Sukhdev | I think I am agreeing with rkukura as I am thinking more about it - | 16:33 |
| manishg | rkukura: yes, that's what I understood from the last discussion. Let me address this case in the doc also. | 16:33 |
| rkukura | Sure, a client could create a network, wait to make sure the backends sync, then create the port, but they shouldn’t need to wait. | 16:34 |
| manishg | so the MDs may block on port-create until network is available to them. | 16:34 |
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| shivharis | here is what i think will work (i need to sit peacefully to account for all repercussions though) | 16:34 |
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| Sukhdev | the back-ends should be able to handle this - task flow engine has to make sure that it ensures that if desired state in not equal to actual state, it will keep re-trying the operation | 16:34 |
| manishg | rkukra: yes, the client doesn't need to. but the port won't be active until the netowrk + port is created in the backend. | 16:34 |
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| shivharis | operations on a specific object may be fast forwarded | 16:35 |
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| shivharis | but inter-object dependencies cannot | 16:35 |
| manishg | shivharis: that would be up to the implementation of the MD for that resource. It will know the dependency. | 16:35 |
| shivharis | manishg: i am looking from the client side | 16:36 |
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| manishg | so port-create for a yet-to-be-realized network will succeed at REST call level. port will be in CREATING state. and the MDs could block on port-create till network is actually available. | 16:36 |
| manishg | shivharis: rkukura doesn't want the client to change | 16:37 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis manishg : If you have access to Arista's sync implementation - we deal with these interdependencies based up the DB state only | 16:37 |
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| shivharis | manishg: i need time to think this through.. | 16:37 |
| manishg | Sukhdev: how do you create a port in your implementation if the network in the backend doesn't exist but exists in the db? | 16:37 |
| Sukhdev | manishg: We have precedence on the resources - | 16:38 |
| rkukura | It sounds like we are close to consensus on what this looks like from the client API perspective, but I think we all need to think about how the backend sync would work with that. | 16:38 |
| shivharis | rkukura: +1 | 16:38 |
| Sukhdev | manishg: Higher precedence resources are ensured to sync first and then lower - this works out OK | 16:38 |
| manishg | rkukura: +1 | 16:39 |
| Sukhdev | So, I see we have converged - manishg can you please capture this in your doc? | 16:39 |
| manishg | Sukhdev: yes, if there is some inter-resource dependency defined then this works fine I think. | 16:39 |
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| Sukhdev | Folks, Please review the document and post the comments there | 16:40 |
| manishg | I'll note this in the doc as well. But doesn't look like many people have read the doc. | 16:40 |
| Sukhdev | manishg: too many things on plates, perhaps :) | 16:41 |
| yamamoto | i'm not sure if ml2 meeting is an appropriate place for these rest api discussion | 16:41 |
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| yamamoto | it needs wider audience | 16:41 |
| Sukhdev | Summit will give us opportunity to sit down face-to-face and discuss this all | 16:41 |
| Sukhdev | Shall we move on? | 16:41 |
| yamamoto | i have a question | 16:42 |
| Sukhdev | yamamoto: please ask | 16:42 |
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| Sukhdev | In the mean time, lets keep marching forward | 16:43 |
| manishg | yamamoto: +1 (re discussion) | 16:43 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Design Summit Discussion | 16:43 |
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| Sukhdev | #link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-neutron-contributor-meetup | 16:43 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: added ML2 topics | 16:43 |
| yamamoto | please move on. i realized my question was invalid while typing. | 16:43 |
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| rkukura | yamahata: I’d agree that if we were changing the API or the way the client uses it, we’d need wider discussion. But I think if we solidify how ML2 MDs sync, but preserve the current client API and interactions, we can proceed. | 16:44 |
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| Sukhdev | yamamoto:-) it happens :-) | 16:44 |
| rkukura | shivharis: thanks for updating the etherpad! | 16:44 |
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| shivharis | I have added ml2 topics - we need to sort this however - now or at summit? | 16:44 |
| Sukhdev | Are we OK with what shivharis added? | 16:45 |
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| Sukhdev | Please review it and feel free to add/update | 16:45 |
| shivharis | have i missed anything dear to you? | 16:45 |
| rkukura | I think we should identify 3 or 4 top-level topics, and maybe move some things under these. | 16:45 |
| Sukhdev | Lets all review and update with your name next to any updates | 16:45 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura+1 | 16:46 |
| shivharis | i can do it offline before the summit | 16:46 |
| rkukura | This will also likely evolve during the summit based on the other sessions. | 16:46 |
| Sukhdev | I will be very actively driving Bare Metal integration | 16:46 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: There is a design session for bare metal, right? | 16:46 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: There are two - one on Neutron side, and other on Ironic side - I am going to request all ML2 folks to attend both | 16:47 |
| Sukhdev | neutron side is on Wednesday PM and Ironic side is on Thursday PM | 16:47 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Good - we can use some of Friday to followup if needed, but should identify other topics for Friday. | 16:48 |
| Sukhdev | There is a huge interest in this topic, hence, both sides gave me the sessions | 16:48 |
| rkukura | Is there much interest in more flexibility for security groups within ML2? I know ODL people are interested in this. | 16:48 |
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| shivharis | there is a topic in design session wrt SG and FW and the future of SG? | 16:48 |
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| * Sukhdev moving on - running out of time | 16:50 | |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Liberty BP | 16:50 |
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| Sukhdev | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169223/3/specs/liberty/ml2-extension-driver-convert.rst | 16:50 |
| yalie | Hi all, I submit a converting extension driver for addres-pairs and sec-group | 16:51 |
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| yalie | but don't know if this is the direction of the ML2 | 16:51 |
| Sukhdev | yalie: I saw this today - have not had time to digest | 16:51 |
| yalie | rkukura mentioned maybe we can do something for agentless MD | 16:52 |
| yalie | Sukhdev: right, maybe we can discuss it later | 16:52 |
| yalie | in the neutorn room | 16:52 |
| shivharis | rkukura: we should address security group, since we really do not know what the design session has to offer | 16:52 |
| rkukura | In principal, I like the idea of turning as many extensions as possible into oprional pluggable extension drivers, simpifying the “core” of ML2. | 16:52 |
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| rkukura | seems we’ve got plenty to discuss for ML2 Friday at the summit! | 16:53 |
| yalie | I don't quite get that "the server-side implementation of security groups in terms of RPCs to L2 agents on the compute nodes is hardwired into ML2." | 16:53 |
| Sukhdev | yalie: next week Summit may be a good place to discuss this - consider adding to etherpad | 16:53 |
| yalie | rkukura: thanks | 16:54 |
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| rkukura | yalie: yes, lets add this if its not already there | 16:54 |
| * Sukhdev moving on | 16:54 | |
| yalie | rkukura: OK | 16:54 |
| Sukhdev | #topic Open Discussion | 16:54 |
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| Sukhdev | I have few questions listed | 16:54 |
| Sukhdev | Do we support N:M relationship between ports and networks | 16:55 |
| Sukhdev | i.e. one port on multiple networks and vice-a-vera? | 16:55 |
| rkukura | I don’t think we do currently. | 16:55 |
| rkukura | I think this is the “trunk port” idea that has been kicked around. | 16:55 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: I tested on thing - Launch a VM from horizon and add to two networks - it works | 16:56 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Is this with two separate neutron ports, one for each network, as two separate vNICs on the VM? | 16:56 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: do not know what goes on under the covers - anybody knows? | 16:56 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: yes | 16:57 |
| yamamoto | doesn't the VM has 2 ports? | 16:57 |
| Sukhdev | yamamoto: I think yes | 16:57 |
| Sukhdev | So, this will imply one port to one network - | 16:57 |
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| Sukhdev | however a given instance can connect to multiple networks | 16:57 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Do you want to add “trunk ports” to the etherpad to look at extending this to multiple networks per port/vNIC? | 16:58 |
| yamahata | vlan-aware-vm session is allocated for this topic. | 16:58 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: good idea - let me add to the etherpad - I will bring it up in the main design session | 16:59 |
| rkukura | before we finish - we skipped bugs, but I’d appreciate if people would review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182134/, which is the 1st step on completing the DVR code clenaup. | 16:59 |
| rkukura | cleanup | 16:59 |
| Sukhdev | yamahata: can you elaborate? | 16:59 |
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| yamahata | I mean https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-neutron-vlan-trunk | 16:59 |
| rkukura | yamahata: right | 16:59 |
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| Sukhdev | yamahata: Thanks for the link | 16:59 |
| yalie | vlan-transparent seems has been implemented | 16:59 |
| yalie | vlan-aware-vm has not | 17:00 |
| yalie | I am not sure | 17:00 |
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| yamamoto | we run out time | 17:00 |
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| Sukhdev | any body wants to discuss anything? 1 min left | 17:00 |
| rkukura | I rhink vlan-transparent means one neutron network is a trunk of VLANs, where the newer idea is more flexible, composing a neutron port from multiple networks. | 17:01 |
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| yalie | rkukura: thanks for clarify! | 17:01 |
| rkukura | we need to wrap up | 17:02 |
| Sukhdev | Folks, this was a very good meeting - good discussion | 17:02 |
| rkukura | thanks Sukhdev! | 17:02 |
| Sukhdev | Thanks for attending | 17:02 |
| Sukhdev | will see you in Vancouver next week | 17:02 |
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| Sukhdev | #endmeeting | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Vancouver Design Summit (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 17:03 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 13 17:03:10 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:03 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-05-13-16.01.html | 17:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-05-13-16.01.txt | 17:03 |
| yamamoto | bye | 17:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-05-13-16.01.log.html | 17:03 |
| rkukura | bye | 17:03 |
| yamahata | see you | 17:03 |
| Kiall | #startmeeting Designate | 17:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 13 17:03:20 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Kiall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 17:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:03 |
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| Kiall | Hey Folks - Who's about? | 17:03 |
| timsim | o? | 17:03 |
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| rjrjr | o/ | 17:03 |
| Kiall | mugsie has walked away from his desk.. I'm sure he'll be back sometime soon ;) | 17:03 |
| ducttape_ | he | 17:03 |
| ducttape_ | hey | 17:03 |
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| pglass | o/ | 17:04 |
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| vinod | o/ | 17:04 |
| jmcbride1 | 0/ | 17:04 |
| Kiall | Okay - Let's get started.. No Actions logged last week, so skipping that section. | 17:04 |
| Kiall | #topic Bug triage (timsim - recurring) | 17:04 |
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| Kiall | timsim you're up ;) | 17:04 |
| timsim | There's no bugs! | 17:04 |
| timsim | (or untriaged ones anyway) | 17:05 |
| * ducttape_ thinks there are opportunities, however | 17:05 | |
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| Kiall | Agreed, "No untriaged bugs so far! \o/" feels like a lie to me ;) | 17:05 |
| Kiall | Anyone aware of any open issues not getting attention right now? | 17:05 |
| Kiall | Silence means no.. Okay.. Moving on so. | 17:06 |
| mugsie | they all look ok | 17:06 |
| Kiall | #topic Vancouver (kiall) | 17:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Vancouver (kiall) (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 17:06 | |
| Kiall | Okay, quick poll to start this one! Who's going to be there? | 17:07 |
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| mugsie | o/ | 17:07 |
| Kiall | I am.. | 17:07 |
| timsim | o/ | 17:07 |
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| ducttape_ | I am | 17:07 |
| bharath | I am | 17:07 |
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| Kiall | excellent :) I hear jmcbride1 is too.. seems he's gone AWOL .. Okay. | 17:08 |
| jmcbride1 | yep! | 17:08 |
| ducttape_ | mfisch will be there too | 17:08 |
| Kiall | Okay, now that that's out of the way.. | 17:08 |
| elarson | I plan to be there in spirit :) | 17:08 |
| Kiall | lol | 17:08 |
| Kiall | #link http://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/type/design+summit/Designate | 17:08 |
| Kiall | Summit sessions have been posted, please mark yourself as attending any which you do actually idend to be at.. And, come say Hi ;) | 17:09 |
| Kiall | Sadly, we can't change the titles (bar the fishbowl one) - so you have to click into them | 17:09 |
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| Kiall | Each "Work room" is maxes out @ ~25 people, which should be more than enough .. | 17:09 |
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| Kiall | I also exepct there will be plently of off-track discussions/meetups.. So let me know if you want an email whenever something like that happens to see if you're interested in joining.. kiall@hp.com | 17:10 |
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| Kiall | Okay - That's all I wanted to say about Vancouver... Anyone else? If not, we'll move on | 17:11 |
| bharath | any reason why all work sessions are on same day ? | 17:11 |
| Kiall | bharath: that's just how things landed :) There's basically 2 days of conference before the designate summit starts, 2 days of work sessions, 1 day of contributer meetups | 17:12 |
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| bharath | ok cool | 17:13 |
| bharath | np | 17:13 |
| Kiall | There's a giant google spreadsheet Thierry used to schedule, and there really wasn't any more spread out slots to ask for :) | 17:13 |
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| Kiall | Okay - Moving on so :) | 17:13 |
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| Kiall | #topic Nova/Neutron Integration | 17:13 |
| Kiall | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88624/ | 17:13 |
| Kiall | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88623/ | 17:13 |
| Kiall | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90150/ | 17:13 |
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| Kiall | carl_baldwin has got a bunch of specs up, which have recently been revived for getting true Nova/Neutron integration | 17:14 |
| Kiall | (Woo) | 17:14 |
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| mugsie | :) | 17:14 |
| Kiall | We've got a slot in Vancouver for them, we should have folks from Nova/Neutron attend | 17:14 |
| timsim | Sounds like fun | 17:15 |
| Kiall | but - It's important we know what we "want" going in.. Please, please, review and comment on the specs beforehand.. even if you're not attending | 17:15 |
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| Kiall | I don't think there's anything controversial in them, all my draft comments so far as nit's if anything.. But others may have different requirements (e.g. eBay/Paypal.. private cloud.. vs Rax/HP Public Cloud etc etc..).. Once they are agreed upon, it'll be hard to turn that ship ;) | 17:16 |
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| Kiall | Has anyone else read over them yet? | 17:17 |
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| mugsie | o/ | 17:17 |
| timsim | Nope | 17:17 |
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| mugsie | i have draft comments, need to re-read before hitting publish | 17:17 |
| bharath | Not yet | 17:17 |
| timsim | Will definitely look | 17:18 |
| Kiall | Okay, please do! These are the #1 most requested thing we get asked for, and it's likely the most painful thing to implement as it involves 3 projects. ("yay") | 17:18 |
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| bharath | yes, will definitely review | 17:19 |
| Kiall | Let's move on, next one is quick too.. | 17:19 |
| Kiall | #topic Post-Summit Housekeeping - Plans (kiall) | 17:19 |
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| Kiall | So - Previous summits, we've been AWFUL at documenting discussions/decisions/etc. We need to make sure we don't do that again :) | 17:19 |
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| Kiall | Each session will have an etherpad, everyone should feel free to add notes, not just the speaker. Ideally, we nominate 1 person from each session to write it up after the summit. Thoughts? | 17:20 |
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| timsim | +1 | 17:20 |
| bharath | +2 | 17:21 |
| Kiall | And - What else can we do to improve the outcome of summit discussions? | 17:21 |
| mugsie | ++ | 17:21 |
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| Kiall | I'm suprised I don't hear mugsie's keyboard going 100mph with ideas for this one ;) | 17:21 |
| mugsie | revisit the etherpad in the following weeks | 17:21 |
| timsim | Make sure the objective and content to be discussed is clear going in. Have a document that people should have read, and be ready to discuss. Clearly document the discussion/output. | 17:22 |
| mugsie | so 2 weeks after, have one of the IRC meets where we work through each etherpad and add any extra detail - also make sure BPs are filed etc | 17:22 |
| timsim | Sounds good | 17:22 |
| Kiall | mugsie: Yea, using the meet (or 2) after for housekeeping seems like a good idea | 17:22 |
| bharath | yeah, a followup two weeks after sounds good | 17:23 |
| jmcbride1 | we could try one of these for one of the meetings: http://agilecoffee.com/leancoffee/ | 17:23 |
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| Kiall | jmcbride1: I'm going to have to read that after the meet ;) Way too long! | 17:23 |
| jmcbride1 | Lean coffee basically forces a time limit on specific topics and gives everyone in the room a chance to vote on whether to proceed. | 17:24 |
| Kiall | Got a TLDR? | 17:24 |
| jmcbride1 | tldr | 17:24 |
| Kiall | Sounds reasonable to me.. Will read after the meet :) | 17:24 |
| Kiall | Any other suggestions for how to ensure we follow through post-summit? :) | 17:24 |
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| mugsie | make sure 5 mins befor the end the etherpad is acurate ;) | 17:25 |
| mugsie | (of the session) | 17:25 |
| mugsie | none of this "is the the right sample of JSON?? | 17:26 |
| mugsie | " | 17:26 |
| Kiall | mugsie: that's actually a really good idea. If we get to -5mins, and discussing is still ongoing, it's not going to be resolved. Let's use that time to ensure the pad is up to date. | 17:26 |
| Kiall | That way, we can at least continue post-summit or off-track | 17:26 |
| * mugsie always has good ideas, thank you very much | 17:26 | |
| * Kiall says nothing | 17:26 | |
| Kiall | Okay, If there's no more.. Let's move on... | 17:26 |
| Kiall | #topic Open Discussion | 17:27 |
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| Kiall | Any other off agenda items? | 17:27 |
| mugsie | one quick one | 17:27 |
| mugsie | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182414/ | 17:27 |
| mugsie | and the sample outpout http://docs-draft.openstack.org/14/182414/3/check/gate-designate-docs/cbf0c4b//doc/build/html/support-matrix.html | 17:27 |
| mugsie | for graded backend - comments / queries etc please. would like to get this in early this cycle | 17:27 |
| Kiall | ++ we discussed the general idea at the Seattle mid-cycle, and finally seeing it "happen" :) | 17:28 |
| timsim | Looks pretty good | 17:29 |
| vinod | Are the current statuses - Integrated etc being used in other openstack projects too? | 17:29 |
| * Kiall never knows how long to "wait" before moving on.. I can't hear anyone typing ;) | 17:29 | |
| Kiall | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/support-matrix.html is Nova's similar page | 17:29 |
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| mugsie | vinod: not fully | 17:30 |
| timsim | Psh. -1 mugsie no fancy green checkmarks | 17:30 |
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| mugsie | timsim: its en-route | 17:30 |
| Kiall | cinder has a similar idea AFAIK, but I don't believe they finished it out | 17:30 |
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| mugsie | formating needs to be cleaned :( | 17:30 |
| * mugsie can't remember CSS anymore | 17:30 | |
| ducttape_ | I think there will be some tagging, similar to that stuff, used by operators too | 17:31 |
| mugsie | yeah. I think this does give us a base level of "supported" to have though. We cna cnage the grades easily enough in the futre if we need to fit in to something else | 17:32 |
| Kiall | ducttape_: yea, the goal is to set expectations for those of us not intimitaly familar with Designate's code, and encourage "poor performers" to get better :) | 17:32 |
| mugsie | its all pretty much in the ini file | 17:32 |
| mugsie | and the backends themselves | 17:32 |
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| Kiall | Okay.. I have 1 off agenda - Can people start adding agenda items again? I feel like I keep adding them all ;) | 17:33 |
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| ducttape_ | link for that? etherpad? | 17:34 |
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| Kiall | 'link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Designate | 17:34 |
| Kiall | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Designate | 17:34 |
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| Kiall | Okay.. Any other off-agenda items? | 17:35 |
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| timsim | I'm good | 17:36 |
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| vinod | nope | 17:36 |
| rjrjr | i'm good. | 17:36 |
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| Kiall | Okay.. Silence = No in this case.. For the folks coming to Vancouver, see you next week! For everyone else, next week's meeting will be cencelled. | 17:37 |
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| mugsie | o/ | 17:37 |
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| timsim | o/ | 17:37 |
| Kiall | Email kiall@hp.com if your attending and want to be kept in the loop on off-track stuff | 17:37 |
| Kiall | (I'm going to get SOO much spam) | 17:37 |
| Kiall | Thanks all! | 17:37 |
| Kiall | #endmeeting | 17:37 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 13 17:37:47 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-05-13-17.03.html | 17:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-05-13-17.03.txt | 17:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-05-13-17.03.log.html | 17:37 |
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| SlickNik | #startmeeting trove | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 13 18:00:23 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:00 |
| SlickNik | Giving folks a couple of mins to trickle in. | 18:00 |
| sushilkm | hello everyone | 18:01 |
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| ashleighfarnham | o/ | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | Meeting agenda at: | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 18:01 |
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| mvandijk | \. | 18:02 |
| atomic77_ | ./ | 18:02 |
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| schang | o/ | 18:02 |
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| dougshelley66 | o/ | 18:03 |
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| edmondk | o/ | 18:03 |
| peterstac | o/ | 18:03 |
| SlickNik | Okay let's get started. | 18:03 |
| pmalik | [o.o]/ | 18:03 |
| SlickNik | #topic Trove pulse update | 18:03 |
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| SlickNik | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-pulse-update | 18:04 |
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| SlickNik | We've had a lot of activity last week — and a lot of reviews. | 18:05 |
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| edmondk | Dangling mocks, dangling mocks everywhere :) | 18:05 |
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| sushilkm | courtesy: dangling mock detector | 18:06 |
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| SlickNik | Makes sense with all the cleanup and dangling mocks patches and reviews going around. | 18:06 |
| SlickNik | On the positive side, the changes are moving quickly. | 18:06 |
| SlickNik | So thanks to everyone involved. | 18:06 |
| SlickNik | Any other questions wrt the pulse numbers? | 18:07 |
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| amrith | ./ | 18:07 |
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| * amrith says sorry I'm late | 18:08 | |
| peterstac | Ah, I thought you had a question ... ;) | 18:08 |
| SlickNik | no worries, I was wondering if you had a question, or were just trying to sneak in :) | 18:09 |
| SlickNik | Let's move on. | 18:09 |
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| SlickNik | #topic Summit sessions | 18:09 |
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| SlickNik | #link http://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/type/design+summit/Trove | 18:10 |
| SlickNik | I've filled out the summit session schedule for Trove which you can find ^ | 18:10 |
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| SlickNik | I've assigned proposed topics for the work sessions as well. | 18:11 |
| dougshelley66 | looks like a full agenda ;) | 18:12 |
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| SlickNik | For the work sessions — you'll have to click through to actually see the topic in the description. The reason teams are doing this is because they want the work sessions to be fairly small and involve mostly the contributors so we can get some real work done / decisions made. | 18:12 |
| dougshelley66 | sounds good - is there anymore info available ahead of those sessions? For example, are there any specifics on integration with other openstack components | 18:13 |
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| SlickNik | dougshelley66: Great question. For all the work sessions, I'm going to go through and pre-populate the etherpad page with my notes to guide the discussion. | 18:14 |
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| dougshelley66 | SlickNik, great thx | 18:14 |
| SlickNik | I highly recommend that other folks add their comments to the etherpad page before the discussion(s) as well. | 18:14 |
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| SlickNik | Note: For a couple of work sessions, I've included some hot topics like "Deploying Trove in Production", and "Monitoring Datastores in Trove" | 18:15 |
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| amrith | SlickNik, who will be leading some of these discussions? (I confess I have not looked at the etherpad) | 18:16 |
| SlickNik | The former has come up multiple times, on IRC and on the ML, and we need to solidify having better solution(s) / docs for deployers | 18:16 |
| SlickNik | amrith: For the fishbowls, it will be edmondk, myself and vgnbkr respectively | 18:17 |
| amrith | ok | 18:17 |
| SlickNik | amrith: For the work sessions I am taking volunteers — but if no one steps up — I'm happy to lead them. It should be more of a collaborative discussion anyhow. | 18:18 |
| amrith | ok, thanks! | 18:19 |
| amrith | I will look at etherpad and volunteer | 18:19 |
| amrith | if you don't hear from he, please feel free to volunteer me ;) | 18:19 |
| SlickNik | We will have a "parking lot" from the sessions that we can add to — and I will leave time to bring them up on Friday morning during the contributors' meetup. | 18:19 |
| SlickNik | amrith: You already volunteered for talking about some of the oslo integration we might want to do going forward. ;) | 18:20 |
| SlickNik | Any other questions regarding the sessions? | 18:21 |
| SlickNik | or anything else summit related? | 18:21 |
| SlickNik | . | 18:23 |
| SlickNik | #topic Open Discussion | 18:23 |
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| schang | I have a question for sushilkm | 18:23 |
| SlickNik | schang: go for it | 18:23 |
| schang | Hi sushilkm, have you had a chance to work on the datastore specific timeouts that we discussed last week? | 18:23 |
| schang | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164640/9 | 18:24 |
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| sushilkm | I would updated it soon in this week | 18:24 |
| schang | sudhilhm: thanks :) | 18:25 |
| SlickNik | Any other questions? | 18:25 |
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| SlickNik | I have one — who is going to be at the summit and when do they arrive? :) | 18:26 |
| peterstac | o/ - Sun afternoon | 18:27 |
| SlickNik | o/ - Sunday evening | 18:27 |
| edmondk | sunday afternoon ish | 18:27 |
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| ashleighfarnham | o/ - Sunday, not sure if afternoon or evening | 18:28 |
| dougshelley66 | sun early evening | 18:28 |
| SlickNik | (I want to make sure that I have your contact info and can message you in case we set up some impromptu Trove discussion somewhere) | 18:28 |
| dougshelley66 | "somewhere" | 18:28 |
| dougshelley66 | :) | 18:28 |
| SlickNik | dougshelley66: I think you already have ideas :) | 18:28 |
| dougshelley66 | SlickNik, I suspect you know where i will be | 18:28 |
| SlickNik | Okay, I'll reach out for your contact info if I don't have it already. Thanks! | 18:29 |
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| SlickNik | That's all I had. | 18:29 |
| SlickNik | Anything else? | 18:29 |
| SlickNik | going once | 18:30 |
| SlickNik | twice | 18:30 |
| SlickNik | #endmeeting | 18:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Vancouver Design Summit (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 18:30 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 13 18:30:21 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-05-13-18.00.html | 18:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-05-13-18.00.txt | 18:30 |
| SlickNik | Thanks all! | 18:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-05-13-18.00.log.html | 18:30 |
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| sgordon | #startmeeting telcowg | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 13 19:00:09 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sgordon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'telcowg' | 19:00 |
| sgordon | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda | 19:00 |
| sgordon | #topic roll call | 19:00 |
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| sgordon | 'o, | 19:00 |
| aveiga | o/ | 19:00 |
| sgordon | hoping for short and sharp today ;) | 19:00 |
| beagles | o/ | 19:00 |
| aveiga | no argument here; the scheduling won't fix itself | 19:01 |
| sgordon | #topic YVR summit agenda | 19:01 |
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| sgordon | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-ops-telco | 19:01 |
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| sgordon | i intend to email this out to the ops list late tonight | 19:01 |
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| sgordon | but i have roughly broken the session down as previously discussed | 19:01 |
| sgordon | 9am - 9:40 discuss process stuff - review what we're doing and how we plan to do it in future | 19:02 |
| aveiga | +1, looks good to me but someone else must approve | 19:02 |
| sgordon | 9:50 - 10:30 break into separate groups | 19:02 |
| sgordon | indeed, hence the email | 19:02 |
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| sgordon | to confuse folks there is also this item on the conf schedule: | 19:02 |
| sgordon | http://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/event/91f840a20957fe6dcc6d6281db6de7f7 | 19:02 |
| sgordon | this is not the actual working group session, it is a session where i was asked to tell OPNFV folk about the working group and how to work with it | 19:03 |
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| sgordon | anyone who wants to is more than welcome to attend and help me try drive that somewhere useful | 19:03 |
| sgordon | it's intended to be more of a discussion than anything | 19:03 |
| sgordon | (read: no slides) | 19:03 |
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| sgordon | cloudon, we were discussing https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-ops-telco for next week | 19:04 |
| cloudon | thanks, missed opening due to pidgin incompetence | 19:04 |
| sgordon | np | 19:05 |
| sgordon | i will send it out to the list for further comment | 19:06 |
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| sgordon | the only other thing i had on the agenda, recognizing that attendance would probably be light today | 19:06 |
| sgordon | is obviously no irc meeting next week | 19:06 |
| sgordon | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-ops-telco | 19:06 |
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| sgordon | #info no IRC meeting next week (20th May 2015) | 19:06 |
| cloudon | Steve, for the OPNFV meeting are you wanting to discuss the use cases? | 19:07 |
| sgordon | #action sgordon to email session plan to ops list | 19:07 |
| cloudon | I can't make Vancouver in person but colleague is going who's involved with OPNFV and can talk about the use cases I've submitted | 19:07 |
| sgordon | for opnfv my main point of discussion will be trying to ensure that we are using a common format/process | 19:07 |
| sgordon | and highlighting some of the reasons this group formed in the first place, which will also impact opnfv | 19:08 |
| cloudon | right, so stressing the importance of OPNFV submitting use cases to this group? | 19:08 |
| sgordon | yeah | 19:08 |
| sgordon | and how to interact with the dev community | 19:08 |
| cloudon | cool | 19:08 |
| sgordon | i will be suggesting design summit 101 that thierry runs is probably mandatory attendance for the technical people | 19:08 |
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| sgordon | we'll dive into specifics of use cases in the wednesday working session | 19:09 |
| sgordon | so if you have people coming then please do recommend they join us | 19:09 |
| cloudon | ok, makes sense & they are coming | 19:09 |
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| sgordon | looking now for the opnfv session i only have 30 mins and will be standing between them and the booth crawl | 19:09 |
| sgordon | so will probably not get much time to get specific there | 19:10 |
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| sgordon | alright | 19:10 |
| sgordon | that's all i have for today | 19:10 |
| sgordon | #topic other business | 19:10 |
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| cloudon | had a look at your end-to-end workflow - looks good | 19:11 |
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| cloudon | added some minor comments | 19:11 |
| sgordon | it's getting there, and thanks, hoping to get some time to update again in the next day or so | 19:11 |
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| sgordon | ok! | 19:14 |
| sgordon | thanks all | 19:14 |
| sgordon | #endmeeting | 19:14 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 13 19:14:28 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:14 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-05-13-19.00.html | 19:14 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-05-13-19.00.txt | 19:14 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-05-13-19.00.log.html | 19:14 |
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| xgerman | #startmeeting octavia | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 13 20:00:07 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xgerman. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: octavia)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:00 |
| xgerman | #chair blogan | 20:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: blogan xgerman | 20:00 |
| johnsom | o/ | 20:00 |
| ptoohill | o/ | 20:00 |
| ptoohill | It's possible blogan is running a bit late | 20:00 |
| xgerman | getting towed? | 20:00 |
| ptoohill | :) | 20:00 |
| xgerman | #topic Announcements | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: octavia)" | 20:01 | |
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| xgerman | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/LBaaS-FWaaS-VPNaaS_Summer_Midcycle_meetup | 20:01 |
| xgerman | Mid cycle has a date and a location | 20:02 |
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| blogan | i'm back | 20:02 |
| blogan | just got otu of meeting | 20:02 |
| ajmiller | o/ | 20:02 |
| jwarendt | o/ | 20:02 |
| xgerman | blogan hi | 20:02 |
| fnaval_ | o/ | 20:02 |
| dougwig | o/ | 20:02 |
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| xgerman | please add yourself to the attendee list if you can come otherwise we will try to broadcast | 20:03 |
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| * TrevorV|Home is late | 20:03 | |
| TrevorV|Home | o/ | 20:03 |
| xgerman | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lbaas-vancouver-planning | 20:03 |
| dougwig | xgerman and sballe, can you remove your parens at some point? | 20:03 |
| xgerman | next week is OpenStack but we still need to collect more topics for the Octavia session | 20:04 |
| blogan | dougwig: i just add my own set of parens | 20:04 |
| dougwig | the title of the session is "octavia as ref driver", fiy | 20:04 |
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| blogan | dougwig: is octavia the working group or the fishbowl? | 20:04 |
| dougwig | wg | 20:04 |
| blogan | and honestly what is the difference | 20:04 |
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| blogan | working group gets more done i assume? | 20:05 |
| rm_work | o/ | 20:05 |
| xgerman | we rock either way | 20:05 |
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| xgerman | the other two links I copied from last time so will just skip | 20:06 |
| xgerman | any other announcements? | 20:06 |
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| xgerman | #topic Joined neutron as an openstack project | 20:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Joined neutron as an openstack project (Meeting topic: octavia)" | 20:07 | |
| xgerman | so welcome our new overlord mestery | 20:07 |
| rm_work | all hail overlord mestery | 20:07 |
| * dougwig genuflects | 20:07 | |
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| TrevorV|Home | I shall hail NOTHING | 20:08 |
| johnsom | I feel like a minion all of a sudden | 20:08 |
| ptoohill | banished him | 20:08 |
| TrevorV|Home | Poof | 20:08 |
| blogan | we've all been pawns in his game of world domination | 20:09 |
| xgerman | anyhow, not sure if we are now in Advanced Services under Lt. dougwig or not | 20:09 |
| blogan | lt danwig | 20:09 |
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| dougwig | some details, btw: | 20:10 |
| dougwig | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182748/ | 20:10 |
| dougwig | our rename will likely happen after the summit. | 20:10 |
| xgerman | ok | 20:10 |
| dougwig | which means if you reference octavia by link, be sure to mention both, and the rename. | 20:11 |
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| blogan | happens durign the talk adn everying breaks | 20:11 |
| blogan | i mean during the demos | 20:11 |
| dougwig | haha, i already spoke to infra, it'll be after the summit. | 20:11 |
| TrevorV|Home | During both. Happens multiple times, including roll-backs | 20:11 |
| xgerman | yep, can’t we just have a redirect | 20:11 |
| xgerman | L7 rukes | 20:11 |
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| ajmiller | What happens to unmerged patches after the rename? Do they automatically get fixed? | 20:12 |
| dougwig | is anyone concerned about governance? the spec that russel merged said that new repos have oversight from the neutron ptl (and lt's, if passed), but day-to-day is completely unchanged. | 20:12 |
| dougwig | ajmiller: good question, i'll ask. | 20:12 |
| xgerman | not at all I just like clarity | 20:13 |
| blogan | yeah i have no problem with the governance | 20:13 |
| xgerman | in governance | 20:13 |
| dougwig | should be transparent, except now your commits get atc creds. :) | 20:13 |
| russellb | right, i think in practice it'll be no different, personally | 20:13 |
| xgerman | awesome! no more import reordering for me... | 20:13 |
| dougwig | any questions here, or should we move on? | 20:14 |
| russellb | dougwig: i was wondering how to propose the rename ... thanks for that link | 20:14 |
| xgerman | move on | 20:14 |
| xgerman | #topic Brief progress reports | 20:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Brief progress reports (Meeting topic: octavia)" | 20:14 | |
| johnsom | dougwig thanks for your help on making this happen | 20:14 |
| xgerman | +100 | 20:14 |
| dougwig | russellb: also add yourself to the infra meeting agenda. there's a rename section. | 20:14 |
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| russellb | dougwig: ack | 20:16 |
| johnsom | I have been working on slides in prep for the presentation, should have those done today. At the same time I have been stacking and building up a script for the demo. Thanks for all the help on testing/bug fixes | 20:16 |
| dougwig | octavia neutron driver is code complete, and has loaded successfully in neutron-server once. i'm expecting to test basic operations this evening, definitely before the weekend. | 20:16 |
| xgerman | awesome | 20:16 |
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| johnsom | It would be super cool to use the nuetron client in the demo | 20:17 |
| xgerman | REST driver/server get’s deployed; uses the SSL cert scheme we devised, and can boot a VM with it | 20:17 |
| blogan | dougwig: does it act asynchronously or synchronously? | 20:17 |
| dougwig | blogan: synchronously | 20:17 |
| blogan | dougwig: okay, so create load balancer call will be slow, but the rest will be relatively fast | 20:17 |
| johnsom | dougwig is the current patchset up on gerrit the code complete? | 20:17 |
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| dougwig | yes, but i don't recommend trying it yet. gimme today. | 20:18 |
| johnsom | Ok | 20:18 |
| dougwig | blogan: i can live with that for the demo. | 20:18 |
| xgerman | Ok | 20:18 |
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| xgerman | ptoohill? | 20:19 |
| xgerman | any progress? | 20:20 |
| ptoohill | I've been working on fixes, tweaks and tests in prep for summit/demo. | 20:20 |
| xgerman | awesome!! | 20:20 |
| ptoohill | I have patches up that are working i believe, and im hoping to have this scenario test working soon to verify things throughly | 20:20 |
| johnsom | I think blogan was going to add a section to ptoohill patchset. Any idea when we could consider merging that stuff? | 20:20 |
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| ptoohill | Yea, think he has update for the postPlug method | 20:21 |
| blogan | johnsom: we can merge ptoohill's stuff now, i ahvet added my stuff to it, i can add it in a nother reveiw as its not modifying what he's done | 20:21 |
| blogan | i just thought i coudl get it out quickly enough, but ran into some issues | 20:21 |
| xgerman | ok, sounds good | 20:21 |
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| johnsom | Ok, ptoohill good with merging after the meeting? | 20:21 |
| blogan | after that there's one bug i'd like to get fixed for the demo | 20:21 |
| ptoohill | Works for me | 20:22 |
| xgerman | demo 1 | 20:22 |
| blogan | https://bugs.launchpad.net/octavia/+bug/1453951 | 20:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1453951 in octavia "Cannot send traffic to VIP on global namespace, but can on the VIP network's dhcp namespace" [Undecided,New] | 20:22 |
| ptoohill | aliens | 20:22 |
| blogan | oh and another thing, the defautl config value for base_path under the amphora driver section requires sudo to write the files to, so i've been just changing it to the ubuntu user's home, TrevorV has a patch otu to fix this, its just prepending the commands with sudo | 20:23 |
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| xgerman | ok | 20:24 |
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| blogan | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/180336/ | 20:24 |
| johnsom | I thought that merged already | 20:24 |
| blogan | nope | 20:24 |
| ptoohill | some comments left on it I believe | 20:24 |
| xgerman | and a -1 isn’t addressed | 20:24 |
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| blogan | yeah address it TrevorV | 20:24 |
| johnsom | Oh, yeah, there is an ownership issue too | 20:24 |
| ptoohill | TrevorV|Home: | 20:25 |
| blogan | oh | 20:25 |
| TrevorV|Home | Sorry, I can update those. I was certain I had tested it, but may have had faulty logic when I tested :( | 20:25 |
| TrevorV|Home | My bad | 20:25 |
| TrevorV|Home | I make a new patch set after meeting | 20:26 |
| johnsom | Excellent, thanks! | 20:26 |
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| xgerman | well, I am still not thrilled we prepend things with sudo and not just have a method which does it programmatically (aka root wrap or so) but... | 20:26 |
| TrevorV|Home | I already commented addressing that concern, xgerman. | 20:27 |
| xgerman | yep, saw it... | 20:27 |
| blogan | well the method would still prepend it with sudo anyway because you can't just switch to root in one command and execute antoher command under root | 20:27 |
| blogan | but yeah wrapping it and cleaning it would be great | 20:27 |
| blogan | though i think most of these commands will run as root | 20:27 |
| xgerman | brogan that;s true but it might look cleaner then prepend manually | 20:27 |
| xgerman | yeah, what you said | 20:28 |
| ptoohill | brehgan | 20:28 |
| xgerman | lol | 20:28 |
| ptoohill | :) | 20:28 |
| TrevorV|Home | bruh bru | 20:28 |
| xgerman | next topic? | 20:29 |
| xgerman | #topic Release roadmap | 20:29 |
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| xgerman | johnsom wants to make a side with the release roadmap | 20:29 |
| xgerman | side=slide | 20:29 |
| johnsom | I would like to have an Octavia slide that talks about our plans for releases. | 20:29 |
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| xgerman | so basically 0.5 would be Liberty? or are we aiming for 1.0? | 20:30 |
| johnsom | xgerman and I are thinking the old plan with 0.5 match reference, 1.0 active/standby, 2.0 horiz scale might not match where we are | 20:30 |
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| johnsom | We could call our liberty release 0.5, to give it a "beta" feel, but include the active/standby you guys have started. | 20:31 |
| johnsom | Thoughts? | 20:31 |
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| blogan | 0.5 is still planned to have one controller, but it manages the containers by heartbeats and will act upon a stale heartbeat right? | 20:32 |
| dougwig | if it's stable enough to be the ref in liberty, i'd be tempted to call it the 1.0. | 20:32 |
| johnsom | Yeah, current plan, 0.5 has spares failover | 20:32 |
| xgerman | so we skip 0.5 and go straight to 1.0? | 20:32 |
| johnsom | dougwig Good point | 20:32 |
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| ptoohill | I'm liking the sound of 1.0 in Liberty | 20:34 |
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| xgerman | ok, then let’s scarp 0.5 | 20:35 |
| blogan | and 1.0 to you is? | 20:35 |
| xgerman | and make Liberty 1.0 | 20:35 |
| blogan | well whatever version we say it is, the roadmap should include what features are in that version | 20:35 |
| xgerman | yeah, after we decided naming we can say features | 20:35 |
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| xgerman | so Liberty = 1.0 | 20:35 |
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| blogan | sounds like we need an octavia session to decide this | 20:36 |
| blogan | oh wait! | 20:36 |
| xgerman | we have one! | 20:36 |
| ptoohill | :) | 20:36 |
| johnsom | Hahaha, the problem is the session is after the presentation.... | 20:36 |
| blogan | lol good point | 20:36 |
| rm_work | T_T | 20:36 |
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| dougwig | it's not an octavia meeting without a #startvote, that takes three tries to get the syntax right. | 20:36 |
| xgerman | lol | 20:36 |
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| blogan | #startvote should we all punch dougwig? | 20:37 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: should we all punch dougwig? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 20:37 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 20:37 |
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| blogan | #vote yes | 20:37 |
| xgerman | #voyte Yes | 20:37 |
| blogan | #endvote | 20:37 |
| openstack | Voted on "should we all punch dougwig?" Results are | 20:37 |
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| johnsom | I currently have: 0.5 = Feature parity with existing ref, service vms, spares failover; 1.0 active/standby amphora, HA control plane; 2.0 Act/Act and amp horizontal scale | 20:37 |
| TrevorV|Home | He stacked the votes in favor of his opinion. | 20:37 |
| * dougwig weeps | 20:37 | |
| blogan | existing ref will be more scalable than what we would have | 20:37 |
| * TrevorV|Home noticed blogan didn't actually cast a valid vote... RIP | 20:38 | |
| xgerman | let’s move HA control plane into 2.0 | 20:38 |
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| xgerman | scrpa 0.5 and we are good | 20:38 |
| xgerman | ? | 20:38 |
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| blogan | well it'd just be renaming 0.5 to 1.0 no? | 20:38 |
| blogan | and 1.0 to 2.0, etc | 20:38 |
| xgerman | that’s fine with me, too | 20:39 |
| rm_work | <_< | 20:39 |
| xgerman | I just had the feel active/standby amphora was pretty far head already | 20:39 |
| TrevorV|Home | rm_work, doesn't like renaming things, even if they make sense to rename | 20:39 |
| rm_work | no, i don't like moving all of the features we had planned back a version T_T | 20:39 |
| blogan | its not far enough, just need to try to get it in genericly if that makes sense | 20:39 |
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| blogan | i mean its not far off | 20:40 |
| xgerman | k | 20:40 |
| blogan | but we definitely should discuss it and what values we need to store | 20:40 |
| blogan | multicast vs unicaste | 20:40 |
| dougwig | we need codenames, clearly. and all roman things. vomitorium, crucifiction, ... | 20:40 |
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| xgerman | +1 | 20:40 |
| johnsom | dougwig +1 | 20:40 |
| rm_work | +1 | 20:40 |
| blogan | i hate you dougwig | 20:41 |
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| * dougwig basks in the love. | 20:41 | |
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| TrevorV|Home | Can we agree to greco roman at a minimum? | 20:41 |
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| johnsom | Ok, so if we shift the numbers that means the specs will need updating too | 20:41 |
| xgerman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Roman_emperors#Emperors_after_395 | 20:41 |
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| sballe | sorry for being late ;-( | 20:41 |
| blogan | johnsom just convinced me not to rename | 20:41 |
| ptoohill | Maybe renaming things is more difficult then it would be beneficial? | 20:42 |
| xgerman | maybe | 20:42 |
| ptoohill | ah, yea that :P | 20:42 |
| blogan | if someone wants to tackle that and get it working, i'm all for it | 20:42 |
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| dougwig | i'd rather get the code working, and this isn't an external package, so we don't have any strict release requirements yet. | 20:43 |
| sballe | dougwig: What parens? | 20:43 |
| xgerman | in the mid cycle meetup | 20:44 |
| sballe | oh yeah. I am coming ;-) | 20:44 |
| xgerman | in the attendance section | 20:44 |
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| xgerman | so let’s sum up | 20:44 |
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| xgerman | the feature list stays but we might rename to some Roman codename | 20:44 |
| johnsom | So, stick with what we have now for the presentation with caveats that this might change with the design session | 20:45 |
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| xgerman | +1 | 20:45 |
| blogan | +11 | 20:45 |
| johnsom | Done. Thank you | 20:45 |
| xgerman | #topic Open Discussion | 20:46 |
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| xgerman | so the stickers have been printed and will be delivered to barclay today | 20:47 |
| sballe | +1000 | 20:47 |
| xgerman | barclac | 20:47 |
| blogan | any issues anyone is having running the creates end to end? | 20:47 |
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| xgerman | tons | 20:47 |
| ptoohill | >< | 20:47 |
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| johnsom | I have tried to capture everything I have seen. I'm going to take another stack pass today. | 20:48 |
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| xgerman | https://s3.amazonaws.com/uploads.hipchat.com/8522%2F409386%2FLDXFN1XtBMau5R7%2FOctavia_sticker_die_cut_OS_09.png | 20:48 |
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| blogan | johnsom: have you been able to make requests to the vip? | 20:49 |
| blogan | and have it load balance? | 20:49 |
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| xgerman | johnsom got it to loadbalance | 20:49 |
| rm_work | woot | 20:49 |
| xgerman | I am working the REST driver angle | 20:50 |
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| johnsom | If I put it all on one network. I think I was doing it from the amphora node last time, but got a balance | 20:50 |
| johnsom | There is some wonky routing going on from devstack host | 20:50 |
| johnsom | At least that was my guess | 20:51 |
| xgerman | well, it would be great if we could give people a link after the demo they can download, stack.sh and are in business | 20:51 |
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| blogan | well i'd like to be able to just do a curl <vip> from the single node devstack machine | 20:51 |
| blogan | makes the demo easier to follow | 20:52 |
| johnsom | blogan Agreed | 20:52 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:52 |
| johnsom | Do you have thoughts on what might be wrong? | 20:52 |
| xgerman | also we have 2 demos | 20:52 |
| blogan | right now you have to do sudo ip netns exec qdhcp-<vip-network-uuid> curl <vip> | 20:52 |
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| blogan | johnsom: i think it might have to do with security groups, but not sure, it seems to happen after an interface is hot plugged | 20:53 |
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| johnsom | Yeah, that is a thought, those new secgroups that come in with the port | 20:54 |
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| blogan | yeah but those sec groups would also block the traffic from the netns | 20:54 |
| blogan | but it doesn't | 20:54 |
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| johnsom | Like I said, I plan to restack with the lateset merged code (including the two we are about to do) and keep looking into it. | 20:55 |
| xgerman | k - sounds good | 20:56 |
| xgerman | any advice what we should cover in the vBrownbag demo — or I should just redo it with the other driver? | 20:56 |
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| blogan | yeah this is soemthign we'llprobably have to consult some neutron experts with | 20:57 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:57 |
| xgerman | we are going g to place with a lot of them next week :-) | 20:58 |
| xgerman | 2 minutes left... | 20:58 |
| johnsom | Demo is monday though | 20:58 |
| xgerman | :-( | 20:58 |
| xgerman | ok | 20:59 |
| xgerman | guess we are done | 20:59 |
| blogan | yeah | 20:59 |
| xgerman | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 13 20:59:17 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-05-13-20.00.html | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-05-13-20.00.txt | 20:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-05-13-20.00.log.html | 20:59 |
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| blogan | bye! | 20:59 |
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