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| dims_ | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 1 16:00:18 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dims_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| zzzeek | o/ | 16:00 |
| rpodolyaka1 | o/ | 16:00 |
| dims_ | courtesy ping for jd__, dims, bnemec, flaper87, harlowja, viktors, rpodolyaka, zzzeek, sileht, kgiusti, dansmith | 16:00 |
| dims_ | courtesy ping for redrobot, jungleboyj, zhiyan, therve, amotoki, GheRivero, bknudson, ihrachyshka, jogo, dougwig, sreshetnyak, amrith | 16:00 |
| johnsom | o/ | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | sup | 16:00 |
| jecarey | o/ | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 16:00 |
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| nkrinner | o/ | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:00 |
| bnemec | o/ | 16:00 |
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| ihrachyshka | \o | 16:00 |
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| bknudson | aloha | 16:00 |
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| bnemec | dims_: You might want to replace yourself in the courtesy ping list with dhellmann. :-) | 16:01 |
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| dims_ | welcome back everyone, it was nice seeing y'all at vancouver | 16:01 |
| dims_ | bnemec: still using his cheat sheet :) | 16:01 |
| bnemec | Yeah, I figured | 16:01 |
| dims_ | #topic Review action items from previous meeting | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review action items from previous meeting (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:02 | |
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| dims_ | 1. dims to research oslo mid-cycle possibilities (IN PROGRESS) | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | hawaii? | 16:02 |
| dims_ | so, anyone fancy a mid-cycle meetup? | 16:02 |
| redrobot | o/ | 16:02 |
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| dims_ | harlowja_at_home: other than lounging on the beach what else would we do? | 16:03 |
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| harlowja_at_home | collaborate and all that | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | ha | 16:03 |
| dims_ | :) | 16:03 |
| zzzeek_ | the oslo.db build made my entire machine hang up. fully rebooted. machine restored its state, the whole test suite ran completely while the whole machine was frozen! | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | it would be best if we were able to identify a couple of specific things to focus on for that time | 16:03 |
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| dims_ | looking for something to bind us all together or we'd end up doing something by ourselves there | 16:04 |
| dims_ | y | 16:04 |
| dims_ | i'll ask this again next week if anyone has any ideas | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | hmmmm | 16:04 |
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| dims_ | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:04 |
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| bknudson | No red flags for keystone. | 16:05 |
| bknudson | anything graduating that I need to worry about? | 16:05 |
| stevemar | o/ | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | Nothing from Cinder right now. Just trying to find time to work on the issues I have open. :-) | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | heads up, we'll be cutting a bunch of releases tomorrow | 16:05 |
| ihrachyshka | neutron is here to wave some flags! | 16:05 |
| bknudson | I think I need to switch versionutils | 16:05 |
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| ihrachyshka | first, we want oslo.policy release to be able to switch to it | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/245057/ | 16:05 |
| dims_ | ihrachyshka: that's next item on agenda | 16:05 |
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| johnsom | Nothing from Octavia | 16:06 |
| ihrachyshka | second, we had that discussion on the summit about neutron playing bad with ServiceLauncher and friends. we have some patches in review, but I'm not completely sure whether we consume everything correctly from our side, so if someone from oslo.service guys is able to check those, it would be great | 16:06 |
| ihrachyshka | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161732/ | 16:06 |
| ihrachyshka | and dependents | 16:06 |
| harlowja_at_home | hmmm, oslo.service is one of those things graduating i think this time around (last time i checked) | 16:07 |
| ihrachyshka | harlowja, yeah, but there is already service.py that we consume from incubator | 16:07 |
| ihrachyshka | should be the same code | 16:07 |
| zzzeek_ | hi where’s the agenda? link at http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Oslo_Team_Meeting goes to a blank page | 16:07 |
| dims_ | #action dims to ping eezhova about ihar's https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161732/ review | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | right, or better ihrachyshka | 16:07 |
| ihrachyshka | the neutron issue was mostly that we spawned multiple Launchers in single process | 16:07 |
| ihrachyshka | there is one thing I want to note in this context: there is nothing that documents that current neutron usage of the module is incorrect | 16:08 |
| dims_ | zzzeek_: it's here - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo - but i have to bring it up to date | 16:08 |
| ihrachyshka | so oslo.service needs better docs | 16:08 |
| * harlowja_at_home wonders if https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164836/ should/would help | 16:08 | |
| ihrachyshka | or better, it needs docs :) | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | +1 to better docs | 16:08 |
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| dims_ | ihrachyshka: true. will make sure we do as part of oslo.service | 16:08 |
| zzzeek_ | dims_: OK so the agenda for today is not published | 16:08 |
| ozamiatin | o/ | 16:08 |
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| dims_ | zzzeek_: yes, it's dated | 16:09 |
| ihrachyshka | dims_, meh... if eezhova is behind oslo.service, then it's worthless for her to check the patch since it's her patch :) | 16:09 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:09 |
| dims_ | ihrachyshka: there's a couple of more people i think, don't remember off the top of my head have to go find the old reviews | 16:09 |
| dims_ | especially the reverts | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142659/ (sachi?) | 16:10 |
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| harlowja_at_home | but elena uploading stuff, so i'm guessing both | 16:10 |
| dims_ | harlowja_at_home: at least those 2 | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya | 16:11 |
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| dims_ | ihrachyshka: will make sure there is eyes on that review. anything else from anyone? | 16:11 |
| dims_ | if not... | 16:12 |
| dims_ | #topic Releases for this week | 16:12 |
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| dims_ | dhellmann: what are we releasing today? | 16:12 |
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| bknudson | a shorter list would be what's not being released today | 16:12 |
| dims_ | haypo needs a oslo.db release for some python34/nova work according to my notes | 16:12 |
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| dhellmann | dims_: I wasn't planning to release anything other than the middleware library today, but I can do more if you'd like | 16:13 |
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| harlowja_at_home | oslo.utils yet (or are we still waiting on that one for nova fixes?) | 16:13 |
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| gordc | stevemar: side topic but we want to release pycadf 1.0.0? | 16:13 |
| ihrachyshka | dhellmann, oslo.policy? :) | 16:14 |
| dims_ | harlowja_at_home: i spoke wrong, it was not oslo.utils that was going to break nova, it was oslo.serialization | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | ah | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | dims_: I had a long list for tomorrow: http://paste.openstack.org/show/253257/ | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | release all the things!!!! lol | 16:14 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, basically, all of it | 16:14 |
| dims_ | dhellmann: if we don't break gate today, we can try to get all of them out tomorrow | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | gordc: I can do pycadf as well, if you want | 16:15 |
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| dims_ | :) | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | dims_: ++ | 16:15 |
| dims_ | #action dims to poke nova folks for possible oslo.serialization impact on nova unit tests | 16:15 |
| gordc | dhellmann: sure -- just checking to see if there's no last minute patches | 16:15 |
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| gordc | dhellmann: yeah, i think we can do a 1.0.0 release for pycadf | 16:16 |
| dims_ | dhellmann: expect pbr, right? | 16:16 |
| dims_ | gordc: ++ to 1.0.0 | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | gordc: http://paste.openstack.org/show/253258/ shows what it will include | 16:17 |
| dims_ | except pbr i mean | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | dims_: right, not pbr, I leave that for lifeless | 16:17 |
| dims_ | sounds good dhellmann | 16:17 |
| gordc | dhellmann: looks fine to me. the big thing was just removing all the middleware and dependencies | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | k | 16:18 |
| dims_ | dhellmann: at some point we have to figure out if the library versions need to be bumped up to 1.x (of those that are 0.x) do we do that in milestone 3 like last time? | 16:18 |
| bknudson | pycadf 1.0 ! | 16:18 |
| stevemar | gordc, i think we're good for pycadf 1.0.0... we dropped the middleware bits right? | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | we can do that whenever we're ready. It would be good to have them all at 1.0 by the end of the cycle | 16:18 |
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| dims_ | gordc: just give me and dhellmann a heads up when you push it, so we can watch for fallout | 16:19 |
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| gordc | stevemar: yeah. | 16:19 |
| dims_ | next topic... | 16:19 |
| dims_ | #topic Documentation | 16:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Documentation (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:19 | |
| dims_ | Anyone have time to write user facing documentation for different oslo libraries? | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | i can write a little, but not all of it :-P | 16:20 |
| dims_ | ack. is this something that we can do in a mid-cycle meetup? | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | i'd be nice to have at least each library have something minimial like @ http://docs.openstack.org/developer/debtcollector/ (overview, + some examples + some api doc) | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | I'll be working on the oslo.log docs this cycle | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims_, could be | 16:21 |
| dims_ | please ping me if you are interested in specific ones so we can divide up work | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | dims_: nice idea to work on the docs at the midcycle | 16:21 |
| dims_ | ++ harlowja_at_home | 16:21 |
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| dims_ | ok. switching topics | 16:22 |
| dims_ | #topic Feedback from Vancouver summit | 16:22 |
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| harlowja_at_home | maybe we should see what people think as the ones that need the most docs and go from there? | 16:22 |
| dims_ | what was good? bad? keep? change? | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | change, more airplane rides | 16:23 |
| dims_ | apart from some travel issues (visa/flight).. :) | 16:23 |
| amrith | dims_, ./ | 16:23 |
| zzzeek_ | it was very difficult to get flights to vancouver | 16:23 |
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| dims_ | zzzeek_: ack. thanks for google hangout at least | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | *airplane rides (== the ones taking off from the bay); not the other ones, lol | 16:24 |
| zzzeek_ | dims_: sure | 16:24 |
| amrith | dims_, ./ | 16:24 |
| dims_ | hi amrith | 16:24 |
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| amrith | dims_, didn't want to interrupt | 16:24 |
| amrith | because I tuned in late | 16:24 |
| dims_ | np | 16:24 |
| amrith | but your q: re: feedback from vancouver | 16:24 |
| amrith | I have two | 16:24 |
| dims_ | yes | 16:24 |
| amrith | relate specifically to trove | 16:24 |
| bnemec | I thought we had a few Oslo sessions where there wasn't a lot of discussion needed. | 16:24 |
| bnemec | Maybe those should have been resolved as plain old specs instead. | 16:25 |
| dims_ | bnemec: the config ones? | 16:25 |
| amrith | the first is whether there is any way in which a oslo.messaging client can manage users/authentication of the underlying AMQP (like Rabbit) through o.m. | 16:25 |
| amrith | the second is about the feasibility of having an o.m driver for zaqar | 16:25 |
| amrith | to projects like Trove, the benefit of o.m is that it is a layer of abstraction | 16:25 |
| dims_ | sileht: around? ^^^ | 16:25 |
| bnemec | dims_: Yeah, maybe one or two others too. | 16:25 |
| amrith | and a user can choose what they want under the covers | 16:25 |
| dims_ | bnemec: ack i agree | 16:26 |
| * harlowja_at_home would also somehow like more PTL(s) from other projects knowing whats happening in oslo, maybe there should be a designated session/talk/other each summit just for that, so they can know whats 'happening/coming up'? | 16:26 | |
| bnemec | dims_: In the past we had pushed back on topics like that, but because we got basically all the sessions we wanted this time we didn't bother. | 16:26 |
| dims_ | harlowja_at_home: hard to get PTL(s) into one meeting as every has a track | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | as the big tent gets bigger, it'd be nice to have something like that (IMHO); a oslo-recap | 16:26 |
| dims_ | bnemec: right | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims_, maybe recorded presentation then? | 16:26 |
| dims_ | "State of Oslo" | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya | 16:26 |
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| harlowja_at_home | something like that | 16:26 |
| bknudson | https://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/?s=oslo#.VWyHu0RL1Ls -- oslo schedule | 16:26 |
| bnemec | I think it would have reduced the conflicts with other relevant sessions if we limited ours a little more. | 16:27 |
| bknudson | I'd like to see fewer keystone sessions, too. | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | we're not likely to have as many sessions for tokyo, so we'll need to be more careful with topic selection | 16:27 |
| dims_ | amrith: we have never talked about managing users/auth of underlying infra so far. | 16:27 |
| bknudson | Do they really need to schedule the work room sessions? seems like we should just have free time to get together | 16:27 |
| dims_ | amrith: if we get someone interested its a possibility i guess | 16:28 |
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| bnemec | Well, we had pods in the past for ad hoc work sessions, but without a scheduled time I never actually went to any. :-/ | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | it'd be cool if there was a technical (not just a presentation) for state of [oslo, nova, glance, keystone, all of them...] for all the projects, some kind of talk that is recorded so that everyone can know whats been and will be happening for each project | 16:28 |
| amrith | dims_, the issue is that in case of projects like trove, the o.m channel is used to talk with guests | 16:28 |
| * bnemec is a slave to the schedule | 16:28 | |
| dims_ | amrith: zaqar - flaper87 indicated that zaqar may not be a good fit for where oslo.messaging is used right now | 16:28 |
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| amrith | and having per-tenant authentication would be a good thing. | 16:29 |
| dims_ | bnemec: ack, we can trim our sessions | 16:29 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 16:29 |
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| flaper87 | so, we're very hesitant to have that driver inside o.m | 16:29 |
| sileht | amrith, oslo.messaging is not aware of what is a tenant/user/project/domain/... | 16:29 |
| amrith | dims_, I don't understand the issue there; I believe his feeling was that people would think zaqar was a replacement for rabbit and that would be bad. | 16:29 |
| amrith | but he's here | 16:29 |
| stevemar | harlowja_at_home, they used to do that | 16:29 |
| amrith | he can explain it better. | 16:29 |
| flaper87 | TBH, the suggestion was to give it a try and have it as an external driver | 16:29 |
| dims_ | amrith: may i request adding a few blueprints on the topics you mentioned in oslo.messaging and see if anyone is interested? (after this meeting) | 16:30 |
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| harlowja_at_home | stevemar, oh, hmmm, wonder why that stopped | 16:30 |
| sileht | amrith, oslo.messaging is rcp abstraction layer zaqar is messaging as service | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home: in the past we've done those as video presentations recorded by the foundation and published online, I just didn't do one for kilo | 16:30 |
| sileht | rcp/rpc | 16:30 |
| flaper87 | but generally, yeah, I'd like to avoid people thinking Zaqar is a replacement for rabbitmq | 16:30 |
| bnemec | Also, ++ to state of oslo fishbowl session | 16:30 |
| amrith | My request comes from the place that there are people who see value in running trove over zaqar but having trove get tied to zaqar seems like a bad idea. | 16:30 |
| bnemec | Although I think we need liaisons to attend more than ptls, necessarily. | 16:30 |
| dims_ | bnemec: agree | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | bnemec, sure, either or | 16:31 |
| flaper87 | TBH, to some extent we could say that as long as we document it, we should be fine. But that's kinda never the case | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | amrith, dims_, sileht : could we maybe discuss that separately from the summit feedback? | 16:31 |
| * amrith tries to demultiplex conversations | 16:31 | |
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| amrith | dhellmann, ++ | 16:31 |
| * flaper87 should have read the topic | 16:31 | |
| dhellmann | amrith: thanks :-) | 16:31 |
| flaper87 | I'm sorry for that | 16:31 |
| bnemec | flaper87: Well, we did ping you. :-) | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | what else, hmmm, the food was good :-P | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | so +1 to that | 16:31 |
| dims_ | :) | 16:32 |
| bnemec | I request more sessions on terraces with gorgeous views. | 16:32 |
| bnemec | And float planes. :-) | 16:32 |
| amrith | re: feedback ... the parties didn't run out of beer and wine which is an improvement over Paris. | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | def, more sessions on sea/flow planes | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | it's good to hear that we noticed the lack of focus/usefulness in some sessions, since this was the first time we've had so many time slots available to us. I think that means we'll be able to be constructive with less time, even if we have to cut some topics. | 16:32 |
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| harlowja_at_home | *float planes (not flow, ha) | 16:32 |
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| * dhellmann thinks harlowja_at_home has taskflow on his mind | 16:33 | |
| harlowja_at_home | haha | 16:33 |
| dims_ | dhellmann: right and gives us time to attend other project sessions to get to know what they need from us | 16:33 |
| bnemec | :-) | 16:33 |
| bknudson | I would have liked to attend more oslo sessions but there were other ones keeping me busy | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | dims_: ++ | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | we learn more about how to have good summits every time we do them | 16:33 |
| bnemec | Yeah, between oslo and tripleo I could hardly attend any other sessions. | 16:33 |
| bnemec | dhellmann: +1 | 16:34 |
| dims_ | duly noted :) | 16:34 |
| dims_ | k. switching | 16:34 |
| dims_ | #topic New libraries and drivers - how is it going? | 16:34 |
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| dims_ | anyone here got started on any of the new ones? | 16:34 |
| dims_ | #link specs - http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/oslo-specs/ | 16:34 |
| dims_ | ozamiatin: ? | 16:34 |
| ozamiatin | hi, I'm in progress with a spec | 16:34 |
| dims_ | ozamiatin: link? | 16:35 |
| ozamiatin | not yet uploaded | 16:35 |
| dims_ | ok | 16:35 |
| ozamiatin | I will finish today | 16:35 |
| dims_ | sounds good, did you get enough feedback from folks at the summit ozamiatin? | 16:35 |
| ozamiatin | yes | 16:36 |
| ozamiatin | I think we will also discuss in comments to the spec | 16:36 |
| dims_ | dhellmann: so i have trouble reaching solly | 16:36 |
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| dims_ | dhellmann: for oslo.reports - (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185715/) | 16:37 |
| dims_ | anyone work with solly? | 16:37 |
| dhellmann | dims_: we should see if some of our other red hat contacts can help us reach him | 16:37 |
| dims_ | bnemec: ? | 16:37 |
| kgiusti | dims_: I do | 16:37 |
| bnemec | Yeah, we should be able to get ahold of him. | 16:38 |
| dims_ | kgiusti: please ping him about oslo.reports. review url above | 16:38 |
| dims_ | thanks | 16:38 |
| bnemec | I know he was keen to get it graduated for Kilo, but ran out of time. | 16:38 |
| kgiusti | dims_: will do | 16:38 |
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| dims_ | k switching | 16:38 |
| dims_ | #topic What do we ask other projects to adopt for liberty on a higher priority? | 16:38 |
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| harlowja_at_home | oh me me | 16:38 |
| harlowja_at_home | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182808/ (waiting) and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185077/ (waiting) | 16:38 |
| harlowja_at_home | so mainly just waiting, lol | 16:38 |
| * harlowja_at_home may poke infra to just get those going... | 16:38 | |
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| dims_ | so i can find ptls and liaisons and talk to them about it | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | dims_: oslo.context and oslo.log standardization should be a priority; I'll be helping with that. | 16:39 |
| dims_ | oslo-config-generator? oslo.policy? oslo.versionedobjects? | 16:39 |
| dims_ | dhellmann: nice | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | dims_: the config generator is another good one | 16:40 |
| bnemec | Yes, especially after what happened in cinder this cycle. | 16:40 |
| dhellmann | all of those are good, but policy and vo are newer so maybe we give more time for those | 16:40 |
| bnemec | There be dragons in mixing the old config generator with the new libs. | 16:40 |
| dims_ | dhellmann: bnemec: ack | 16:40 |
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| jungleboyj | bnemec: Yeah, there are dragons there. | 16:41 |
| dims_ | k switching | 16:41 |
| dims_ | #topic Ongoing work & Review priorities | 16:41 |
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| dims_ | any requests for reviews? | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | bnemec: I need to find time to actually code up things for the new config generator. Don't like that we are mixing old and new. | 16:41 |
| dhellmann | jungleboyj: did we resolve the plan, or do we need to make changes to the config generator first? | 16:41 |
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| jungleboyj | dhellmann: I think I need to come up with a way of using the new config generator that everyone can agree upon. | 16:42 |
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| dhellmann | jungleboyj: ok, if that means changes to make it more palatable we can discuss those when the time comes | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. I hope to get time to poke at that again in the next couple of weeks. | 16:43 |
| * jungleboyj crosses fingers. | 16:43 | |
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| dims_ | kgiusti: we need to work towards proton running dsvm+tempest CI jobs? | 16:43 |
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| dims_ | harlowja_at_home: all your reviews for governance etc made it through? | 16:44 |
| harlowja_at_home | also do we need to get the rabbitmq folks in the #oslo channel? be nice to have them there | 16:44 |
| kgiusti | dims_: yes - flaper87 and I are working on making the required proton libraries better available via pypi | 16:44 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims_, seems so | 16:44 |
| harlowja_at_home | *or whoever the rabbitmq (corp) said they would get involved,be nice to get that person ramping up | 16:45 |
| kgiusti | dims_: trying to land those changes in proton upstream shortly | 16:45 |
| dims_ | harlowja_at_home: we have them on twitter at the moment, let's see if we get any actual reviews from them then we can request them to show up on irc | 16:45 |
| harlowja_at_home | k | 16:45 |
| harlowja_at_home | fair enough | 16:45 |
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| dims_ | harlowja_at_home: we have them on twitter at the moment, so we need you on twitter now :) | 16:46 |
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| dims_ | anyone have really old reviews that needs attention? | 16:46 |
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| dims_ | #topic Open discussion | 16:47 |
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| dhellmann | the review dashboard link produces a query with patches older than 5 days without reviews | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo#Review_Links | 16:48 |
| dims_ | zzzeek_: how did that nova session with oslo.db go? (you had mentioned that you can try to switch migrations to alembic etc and there was some concerns about the online migration they were proposing) | 16:48 |
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| zzzeek_ | dims_: OK so, i had the session, and got their rationales, and basically they’re just going to do it that way and I’d anticipate that other projects will start doing similar things | 16:49 |
| harlowja_still_a | is that good/bad/meh? | 16:49 |
| zzzeek_ | dims_: that is, they’re abandoning the concept of fixed schema migration files | 16:49 |
| dhellmann | only for data migrations, right? | 16:49 |
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| zzzeek_ | dhellmann: no, full schema migrations | 16:49 |
| zzzeek_ | dhellmann: everything | 16:49 |
| dhellmann | where will column additions happen? | 16:49 |
| zzzeek_ | dhellmann: that is, a tool runs which inspects the current DB, compares it to the model in Python, and applies “expansions” dynmically | 16:50 |
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| zzzeek_ | dhellmann: in the “expand” phase | 16:50 |
| dhellmann | ok, I guess I need to find that spec | 16:50 |
| zzzeek_ | dhellmann: yeah | 16:50 |
| * harlowja_still_a wonders why we are using things with schema(s) at all, lol | 16:50 | |
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| dims_ | thanks zzzeek_ | 16:50 |
| dims_ | so anyone have an opinion on this one? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185504/ | 16:51 |
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| dims_ | removing oslo.utils dependency from debtcollector | 16:51 |
| harlowja_still_a | ah, yes, that one | 16:51 |
| dhellmann | we shouldn't have a circular dependency there, how did we let that happen? | 16:51 |
| harlowja_still_a | snuck in i think | 16:52 |
| bknudson | oslo.utils needs to have fewer dependencies. | 16:52 |
| * harlowja_still_a is fine with a new-tiny-library, but i'll let others decide | 16:52 | |
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| bnemec | debtcollector probably needs to be one of those things that doesn't depend on much though. | 16:53 |
| bnemec | Since it could be pulled in to any lib at any time | 16:53 |
| harlowja_still_a | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/silvering (for example, the process of making mirrors, aka reflection...) | 16:53 |
| harlowja_still_a | could just take that and make it the refelction stuff | 16:53 |
| dhellmann | yeah, debtcollector should be at the bottom -- why does it need these functions? | 16:53 |
| harlowja_still_a | making nice messages about what is deprecated | 16:54 |
| harlowja_still_a | thats all | 16:54 |
| dhellmann | can we not just ask the developer to provide the details? | 16:54 |
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| zzzeek_ | dhellmann: original online schema cahnges spec at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102545/ | 16:54 |
| dhellmann | for example, if we deprecate a public class in an oslo lib that's in a private module but exposed through a public module, we would want to specify the public name for the class rather than have this code give the actual name | 16:55 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek_: thanks | 16:55 |
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| zzzeek_ | dhellmann / dims_ : also a wrapup of my thoughts of the discussion are at http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-May/064602.html | 16:55 |
| harlowja_still_a | dhellmann, possible to do that, although the current api tries to be nice and helpful and figure out the names | 16:56 |
| dims_ | zzzeek_: thanks | 16:56 |
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| dhellmann | harlowja_still_a: yeah, but it seems like the case I describe, which we have in our code, is going to break that anyway, right? | 16:56 |
| bknudson | it's just reflection that it uses, so maybe have an oslo_reflection rather than oslo_utils.reflection. | 16:57 |
| harlowja_still_a | sounds like a new feature to make it possible to turn off the auto-figuring stuff out | 16:57 |
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| harlowja_still_a | bknudson, or i can go claim https://pypi.python.org/pypi/silvering and make that the reflection stuff | 16:57 |
| dims_ | 3 mins left, let's move discussion to the review please? | 16:57 |
| dhellmann | yeah, and I would say we want debtcollector not depend on anything else, if we can help it, as bnemec pointed out | 16:57 |
| dhellmann | dims_: ++ | 16:57 |
| harlowja_still_a | dhellmann, ok, the review is fine then i think, chops stuff thats used out | 16:57 |
| dims_ | thanks everyone, let's continue on our irc channel | 16:58 |
| dims_ | #endmeeting | 16:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 1 16:58:48 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-06-01-16.00.html | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-06-01-16.00.txt | 16:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-06-01-16.00.log.html | 16:58 |
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| mrmartin | re | 17:02 |
| mrmartin | anyone for community infra meeting here? | 17:02 |
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| lifeless | dhellmann: dims_: nothing pending release in pbr when I looked on friday | 17:54 |
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| vipul | #startmeeting cue | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 1 18:01:27 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vipul. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cue)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cue' | 18:01 |
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| vipul | roll call.. | 18:01 |
| sputnik13 | here | 18:01 |
| vipul | just you and i eh? | 18:02 |
| sputnik13 | the others must be trolling us :) | 18:02 |
| vipul | abitha, esmute ... davideagnello | 18:02 |
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| abitha | here | 18:03 |
| esmute | Hello! | 18:03 |
| ekarlso | ello :p | 18:03 |
| dkalleg | hello hello | 18:03 |
| sputnik13 | ekarlso hola | 18:03 |
| vipul | welcome ekarlso ! | 18:03 |
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| vipul | dkalleg: you changed your nick | 18:03 |
| dkalleg | i did | 18:03 |
| vipul | i like it.. a lot more cryptic | 18:04 |
| dkalleg | had to set up everything over again after the ramen heist | 18:04 |
| vipul | Agenda.. https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Cue | 18:04 |
| vipul | needs to be updated.. | 18:04 |
| sputnik13 | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cue/2015/cue.2015-04-28-18.02.html | 18:04 |
| sputnik13 | we have actions from the last meeting, which was a while ago | 18:04 |
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| vipul | ok.. let's go through that | 18:05 |
| vipul | #topic Action Items | 18:05 |
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| vipul | davideagnello investigate how to run rally tests in CI gate | 18:05 |
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| vipul | davideagnello: .. ? there? | 18:06 |
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| davideagnello | vipul: I haven't investigated that portion yet | 18:08 |
| vipul | do you still plan on doing this? | 18:08 |
| davideagnello | I understand Boris from Rally will be helping us | 18:08 |
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| vipul | yep.. but we probably need to work with him at some point | 18:08 |
| sputnik13 | also we don't know where it is on his priority list | 18:08 |
| davideagnello | vipul: will be following up with him this week on how we can get it incorporated for Cue | 18:08 |
| vipul | ok cool thx | 18:08 |
| esmute | davideagnello: Designate has rally test running in CI... They are non-voting | 18:08 |
| esmute | that is one place to look into | 18:08 |
| vipul | any project have voting turned on esmute ? | 18:09 |
| davideagnello | esmute: ok, thanks | 18:09 |
| vipul | ekarlso: did you do that work for designate? | 18:09 |
| esmute | vipul: What did you mean? | 18:09 |
| vipul | esmute: Is anyone gating on Rally yet? | 18:09 |
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| ekarlso | what work vipul ? | 18:10 |
| vipul | rally gate | 18:10 |
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| esmute | vipul: I dont think so.. i looked at neutron and they also have it non-voting | 18:10 |
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| vipul | esmute: ok | 18:11 |
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| vipul | #action davideagnello to look into getting Rally gate job added | 18:11 |
| vipul | next item.. | 18:12 |
| vipul | esmute enable automatic tempest testing for all cue project repos | 18:12 |
| davideagnello | vipul: note taken | 18:12 |
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| esmute | So cue has now a gate that installs devstack from nodepool, install cue service and run the cue int tests | 18:12 |
| esmute | the int tests consist of a happy path (create, list, get and delete) and some negative path | 18:13 |
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| esmute | The gate is non-voting.. The plan is to leave it running a bit until we make sure it is stable enough to promote it to voting | 18:13 |
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| vipul | awesome! nice work | 18:14 |
| esmute | the gate test normally takes aprox 40mins... 30mins in which is devstack and cue install | 18:14 |
| sputnik13 | should we set a time bound on "a bit"? | 18:14 |
| vipul | esmute: how many runs do you want to see before we promote it | 18:14 |
| esmute | sputnik13: i guess it depends how many patches are committed. | 18:15 |
| sputnik13 | is the gate only on merge or on checkin? | 18:15 |
| dkalleg | maybe better to say x number of successful gating outputs rather than a time frame? | 18:15 |
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| esmute | i would like to have it running around 10 more times...... so perhaps one week? | 18:15 |
| sputnik13 | if it's a number of iterations, then couldn't we force it by running a recheck on a patch 10 times? | 18:16 |
| esmute | sputnik13: just on checking.... Once it is promoted to voting, it will also be set to run on merge | 18:16 |
| dkalleg | confidence in the tool is a product of how much work goes into it, not necessarily x days after it come to beta | 18:16 |
| esmute | +1 dkalleg | 18:16 |
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| sputnik13 | dkalleg: while generally true there are external factors that play in to this as well, like the CI infrastructure | 18:17 |
| esmute | when i said 10, i meant 10 successful run :P | 18:17 |
| dkalleg | so maybe say promote to voting after 10-20 successful runs of the gate? | 18:17 |
| vipul | do we want to force those runs? or just let them occur naturally over time | 18:17 |
| dkalleg | ah, k ) | 18:17 |
| dkalleg | :) | 18:17 |
| sputnik13 | why don't we force those runs | 18:17 |
| davideagnello | I agree | 18:18 |
| esmute | sputnik13: when there is a failure, we can look at the logs and see the cause... if its CI infra, we wont consider it as a faulire on cue | 18:18 |
| vipul | esmute: so pick a couple of existing patchsets.. run recheck until we get to the target ? | 18:18 |
| sputnik13 | esmute: I would agree but if CI infra has a hard time with it 9 out of 10 times, then gating our merge on the test would be counterproductive | 18:18 |
| esmute | vipul: I think we can just leave it naturally.... whoever is working/review patches, make sure to look at the result of the int-test gate | 18:19 |
| sputnik13 | esmute I think that only works if we have a consistent rate patches being submitted | 18:19 |
| vipul | esmute: the issue i have with that is are we going to get 10 runs in a week's time | 18:19 |
| esmute | we can start treating them as 'voting' for now... so if there is a failure, we can look into it | 18:19 |
| sputnik13 | given the things we're currently working on that won't guarantee we have any number of runs in the near future | 18:20 |
| vipul | sputnik13: +1 | 18:20 |
| sputnik13 | let's have a dummy patch that we use to exercise the tempest check and run recheck on it a few times a day | 18:20 |
| esmute | ok. We can create a dummy patch (one that modifies the README) and run it many times | 18:21 |
| vipul | esmute: why dont' we try to making voting by the end of the week.. which may mean rechecks | 18:21 |
| sputnik13 | are the results from each recheck saved in the patch's logs? | 18:21 |
| sputnik13 | or are the logs purged after some amount of time? | 18:21 |
| esmute | sputnik13: Yes. All the logs are stored... even the config files under /etc and devstack log | 18:21 |
| esmute | the only logs that we wont get it is the rabbitmq node logs | 18:22 |
| vipul | they do get purged.. not sure what the time frame is | 18:22 |
| sputnik13 | as long as the time frame is less than say 2 weeks I think it would be good enough | 18:22 |
| esmute | ahh right.. yes they do get deleted | 18:22 |
| sputnik13 | it'll be a single place we can look at to see how many times it succeeded vs failed | 18:22 |
| esmute | but we can watch it.. if there is a failure, we look into it | 18:22 |
| esmute | ok, ill start a dummy patch and have it run many times | 18:23 |
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| vipul | ok.. esmute feel free to holler in the cue room if you want others to look at a failure | 18:23 |
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| sputnik13 | let's set a timeframe of 1 week to see how things look, and if we get 90% or more success rate I think it would be good enough | 18:23 |
| esmute | vipul: ok no prob | 18:23 |
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| sputnik13 | 90% is something just pulled out of my rear end | 18:24 |
| esmute | eww | 18:24 |
| esmute | :p | 18:24 |
| sputnik13 | so your'e free to pick another number if you don't like the source of that number :) | 18:24 |
| vipul | #action esmute to making tempest rabbit gate job voting | 18:24 |
| vipul | the source is definitely the issue he has with that number ;) | 18:25 |
| sputnik13 | ok, this conversation will devolve quickly, let's move on :) | 18:25 |
| vipul | ok, moving on.. :D | 18:25 |
| dkalleg | +1 | 18:25 |
| vipul | #topic open discussion | 18:26 |
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| sputnik13 | we should start looking at open bugs and decide what to do with them | 18:26 |
| davideagnello | +1 | 18:26 |
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| sputnik13 | I'll take an action to update the cue meeting agenda each week | 18:26 |
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| vipul | sputnik13: thx -- any bugs we want to discuss today? | 18:27 |
| sputnik13 | I'm thinking we should do action items, discussion topics, bugs, then open discussion | 18:27 |
| sputnik13 | is that a good format? | 18:27 |
| vipul | yep works for me | 18:27 |
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| sputnik13 | well, I'm wondering whether we should use the meeting to discuss certain bugs or triage them | 18:27 |
| esmute | sputnik13: Do we have an agenda for next week for people to start adding topic to discuss? | 18:27 |
| esmute | this can be a bug, BP, idea, questions, concern, etc | 18:28 |
| vipul | i think prior to the meeting.. folks should spend a few minutes going through the bug list.. | 18:28 |
| vipul | put the ones they want discussed in the agenda | 18:28 |
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| vipul | agenda is currently here esmute https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Cue | 18:28 |
| sputnik13 | ok, then since we didn't do that for this meeting let's spend a couple minutes to look through the bug list | 18:28 |
| vipul | needs to be updated | 18:28 |
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| sputnik13 | starting this week I will send out reminders to review the bug list | 18:29 |
| sputnik13 | on friday | 18:29 |
| vipul | sounds good | 18:29 |
| vipul | https://bugs.launchpad.net/cue | 18:29 |
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| vipul | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-cueclient | 18:30 |
| esmute | Is there a link with bugs that we are targetting? | 18:30 |
| davideagnello | I think that is up to us to review first | 18:30 |
| davideagnello | how was Cue received in OpenStack summit? | 18:30 |
| vipul | if we decide something is important to get fix, it will get the appropriate priority | 18:30 |
| vipul | so when we are picking bugs to fix, should look at open bugs with higher priority | 18:31 |
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| sputnik13 | we have quite a few bugs in the New state and Undecided priority | 18:32 |
| davideagnello | part of the bug Triage would be to review bug priorities as well? | 18:32 |
| sputnik13 | there are 2 bugs that are marked CRITICAL but haven't been resolved | 18:32 |
| sputnik13 | I think one of these has alreadyb | 18:32 |
| sputnik13 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/cue/+bug/1425206 | 18:33 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1425206 in Cue "Setting debug mode also causes Pecan to run in debug mode" [Critical,New] - Assigned to Vipul Sabhaya (vipuls) | 18:33 |
| sputnik13 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/cue/+bug/1453351 | 18:33 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1453351 in Cue "rabbitmq cluster goes ACTIVE but is unusable after initial boot" [Critical,New] | 18:33 |
| vipul | i believe the first one is fixed.. | 18:33 |
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| sputnik13 | The latter is actually resolved | 18:33 |
| vipul | let me find the patch | 18:33 |
| sputnik13 | ok, good, then they're both closed we just haven't done well with due diligence in closing them | 18:33 |
| sputnik13 | I'll update the latter, vipul will update the former | 18:33 |
| sputnik13 | do we have an agreed on definition of what each level means? | 18:34 |
| sputnik13 | as for as priority? | 18:34 |
| sputnik13 | err importance | 18:34 |
| davideagnello | lets review that | 18:34 |
| sputnik13 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Bug%20importances | 18:34 |
| sputnik13 | there's the official definitions from canonical | 18:35 |
| sputnik13 | https://dev.launchpad.net/BugTriage | 18:35 |
| sputnik13 | that might be more appropriate | 18:35 |
| sputnik13 | actually there's a list for openstack | 18:35 |
| sputnik13 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Bugs#Importance | 18:35 |
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| sputnik13 | that list looks good to me, and since it's openstack we should abide by what's common for openstack | 18:36 |
| davideagnello | that's a good reference | 18:36 |
| esmute | +1 sputnik13 | 18:36 |
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| esmute | sputnik13: You and vipul can triage it and then we can discuss next meeting as to how is doing what | 18:37 |
| sputnik13 | if we all follow those definitions, any one of us should be able to triage it | 18:37 |
| sputnik13 | sure that works too | 18:37 |
| esmute | s/how/who | 18:37 |
| sputnik13 | but we should do that only for bugs that are externally reported | 18:37 |
| sputnik13 | any that are reported by someone on the team I think we should add the importance when the bug is filed | 18:38 |
| esmute | sputnik13: You mean there are other bugs that are 'internal' :P | 18:38 |
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| sputnik13 | esmute no, I mean any one of the team members could come across a bug and file it for later resolution rather than fixing it right away | 18:38 |
| sputnik13 | in such cases, the person probably already has a good idea of how critical the bug is, so just add it | 18:39 |
| esmute | ok.. that sounds reasonable | 18:39 |
| sputnik13 | if you have any questions, then talk to one of us... otherwise vipul or I may have to find you and talk to you about the bug in order to triage it | 18:39 |
| sputnik13 | which I think is a bit of overhead we could do without | 18:40 |
| sputnik13 | vipul what do you think? | 18:40 |
| vipul | sorry multiple convos | 18:40 |
| sputnik13 | tl;dr, if a team member adds a bug add the importance field along with enough detail to reproduce | 18:41 |
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| sputnik13 | for bugs filed by external parties vipul or I will be responsible for making sure they're triaged in a timely manner | 18:41 |
| vipul | yep.. agreed, we should have repro steps wherever we can | 18:41 |
| sputnik13 | vipul: sorry the thing being discussed is more who should add the importance field (critical, high, medium, low, etc) | 18:43 |
| sputnik13 | bug reported by cue team, just add it when the bug is reported, bug reported by someone else you or I will triage | 18:43 |
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| vipul | ah ok.. | 18:44 |
| vipul | the person filing the bug indicates importance | 18:44 |
| sputnik13 | definition of what each importance level means, we're going with the openstack definition https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Bugs#Importance | 18:44 |
| esmute | sputnik13: And then we can discuss about the bug and its importance during the meeting | 18:45 |
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| esmute | I just stood up and vipul is talking to someone | 18:46 |
| sputnik13 | well we can discuss the bug and maybe reclassifying the importance, but what I'm proposing we agree to is to have the importance filled out prior to the meeting if at all possible | 18:46 |
| esmute | we can start doing this and see | 18:46 |
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| esmute | so tl;dr: Each bug filer will indicate the importance as he/her perceives it. We can discuss during meeting its importance and who is fixing it.. | 18:47 |
| esmute | any bugs that are file externally, vipul and sputnik13 will triage it | 18:47 |
| esmute | sputnik13: is that accurate? | 18:47 |
| sputnik13 | yes | 18:47 |
| vipul | Ok i'm good with that | 18:48 |
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| vipul | sorry guys i got pulled into another discussion.. | 18:48 |
| vipul | fully back now | 18:48 |
| sputnik13 | also it seems like launchpad bugs aren't "closed" when the patch is merged | 18:49 |
| vipul | yes.. that happens only when we cut a release | 18:49 |
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| sputnik13 | "fix committed" still shows when you filter by open bugs | 18:49 |
| sputnik13 | ok | 18:49 |
| vipul | typically the oepnstack release management team goes through and closes those on each miilestone / relelase | 18:49 |
| vipul | so what bugs are we bringing up to the irc meetings? assuming things are properly classified | 18:50 |
| sputnik13 | is that still the process given the changes the milestone/release process? | 18:50 |
| vipul | sputnik13: good question :)... we'll see how ironic fares with their decoupled releases | 18:50 |
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| sputnik13 | vipul: good question... hopefully we have so few bugs that we can discuss them all :) | 18:51 |
| sputnik13 | I think maybe we start with the critical and high classified bugs and any bugs that people want to specifically discuss | 18:51 |
| davideagnello | 24 active bugs | 18:51 |
| vipul | ok so for the next couple we just walk down | 18:51 |
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| vipul | davideagnello: that number seems too low :P we surely have more bugs than that | 18:52 |
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| davideagnello | before the next meeting we should be classifying all undecided bugs | 18:52 |
| sputnik13 | davideagnello +1 | 18:52 |
| davideagnello | vipul: haha at least reported bugs | 18:52 |
| vipul | #action sputnik13 vipul davideagnello esmute start classifying undecided bugs | 18:53 |
| sputnik13 | I think all the bugs currently on launchpad were reported by the team | 18:53 |
| vipul | yep, and we fixed some without reporting | 18:53 |
| sputnik13 | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cue/+bugs | 18:54 |
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| sputnik13 | on the right hand side there's a filter for "bugs reported by me" | 18:54 |
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| sputnik13 | everyone please add "importance" to any bugs you filed that are still "undecided" | 18:55 |
| * sputnik13 has 6 of 7 bugs "Undecided" | 18:55 | |
| davideagnello | in advanced search you can filter by various fields, which is handy | 18:55 |
| sputnik13 | doh | 18:55 |
| davideagnello | haha | 18:55 |
| vipul | Ok cool.. we have a plan | 18:56 |
| sputnik13 | we're almost at time | 18:56 |
| vipul | let's touch base next monday | 18:56 |
| vipul | anyone have anything else? | 18:56 |
| sputnik13 | cool, nope I'm good | 18:56 |
| davideagnello | that's all for me | 18:57 |
| vipul | going once.. | 18:57 |
| esmute | lets eat lunch.. im hungry | 18:57 |
| vipul | +2 +approved | 18:57 |
| vipul | #endmeeting | 18:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 1 18:57:59 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cue/2015/cue.2015-06-01-18.01.html | 18:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cue/2015/cue.2015-06-01-18.01.txt | 18:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cue/2015/cue.2015-06-01-18.01.log.html | 18:58 |
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| hogepodge | #startmeeting refstack | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 1 19:01:06 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hogepodge. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 19:01 |
| krotscheck | o/ | 19:01 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 19:01 |
| pvaneck | o/ | 19:01 |
| sslypushenko__ | o/ | 19:01 |
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| hogepodge | Hello everybody! Hope you're all doing well after the summit. | 19:01 |
| davidlenwell | o/ | 19:01 |
| davidlenwell | tired | 19:01 |
| hogepodge | #link meeting agenda and notes, please feel free to add items https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-15-06-01 | 19:02 |
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| hogepodge | #topic OpenStack ID Integration | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack ID Integration (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 19:02 | |
| hogepodge | sslypushenko__: do you want to give us an update on that? | 19:02 |
| davidlenwell | last I spoke with catherine last week she wanted to move to using launchpads openid in the short term. | 19:03 |
| sslypushenko__ | I am working on tests for that patch | 19:03 |
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| hogepodge | davidlenwell: what was the reason? | 19:04 |
| sslypushenko__ | I think it is almost ready to merge | 19:04 |
| sslypushenko__ | We can use openstackid right now | 19:04 |
| davidlenwell | she was under the impression we needed approval to use openstack id .. I don't know that she was right | 19:04 |
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| davidlenwell | well then lets use it | 19:04 |
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| hogepodge | I think that infra is ready to give us access to it. | 19:04 |
| pvaneck | yea, worked from what I can tell | 19:05 |
| sslypushenko__ | As far as I understand no approve is needed | 19:05 |
| davidlenwell | it sounded odd to me that we'd need approval.. but I was sick when she talked to me about it so I didn't do much research | 19:05 |
| hogepodge | sslypushenko__: so which are you working on merging now? | 19:06 |
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| sslypushenko__ | Actually I am on vacation now. When I return, we can start merging process | 19:07 |
| hogepodge | sslypushenko__: ok, but for which auth provider? Mostly just for info. | 19:08 |
| sslypushenko__ | openstackid of course) | 19:08 |
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| hogepodge | #info sslypushenko__ working on openstackid auth merging upon return from vacation | 19:08 |
| hogepodge | thanks sslypushenko__ | 19:08 |
| hogepodge | Any other items related to this topic? | 19:09 |
| pvaneck | all good | 19:09 |
| hogepodge | #topic Infra deployment | 19:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Infra deployment (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 19:09 | |
| davidlenwell | I'm good on this .. the patch looks good .. so when they get it to pass tests im happy | 19:10 |
| krotscheck | There's a comment on the puppet project patch asking for a spec : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182437/ | 19:10 |
| hogepodge | krotscheck: you've been working on this, can you give us an update on this? | 19:10 |
| krotscheck | Not certain who's responsible for that one. | 19:10 |
| hogepodge | krotscheck: I can volunteer to work on the spec | 19:10 |
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| krotscheck | The github project, as it currently stands, is out of sync with the refstack tree, so the puppet module as it exists is broken. | 19:11 |
| krotscheck | The relevant patches in refstack seem to be failing on python tests though, I'm not entirely certain why. | 19:11 |
| * krotscheck didn't change any python thigns. | 19:11 | |
| hogepodge | krotscheck: what would it take to bring them back into sync? | 19:11 |
| pvaneck | regarding that, i just submitted a patch to fix the failing tests | 19:11 |
| krotscheck | Oh good | 19:11 |
| pvaneck | had to do with the new pecan release | 19:11 |
| hogepodge | As a team, do we want to start hosting the puppet deployment code as part of the refstack server project? | 19:11 |
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| krotscheck | Synching them I believe will require this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185723/ | 19:12 |
| hogepodge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185723/ | 19:12 |
| krotscheck | pvaneck: What's the patch on that? I can rebase. | 19:13 |
| pvaneck | krotscheck: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187282/ | 19:13 |
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| krotscheck | pvaneck: Thanks. | 19:13 |
| davidlenwell | hogepodge: that does seem like the logical place to host the puppet code | 19:13 |
| hogepodge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187282/ | 19:13 |
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| hogepodge | krotscheck: how do you feel about that? It's your work. | 19:14 |
| davidlenwell | I like the idea of having standard ways of deploying the server. | 19:15 |
| krotscheck | hogepodge: Pondering. | 19:15 |
| davidlenwell | built into the repo | 19:15 |
| krotscheck | hogepodge: It's odd, right? Because the module's there to support infra's efforts. | 19:15 |
| hogepodge | krotscheck: we can defer to next week if you want more time to think | 19:15 |
| hogepodge | krotscheck: I was thinking about that too. I like the deployment code being hosted as part of the project, though. | 19:16 |
| krotscheck | I don't think I'm going to be the forcing function. I believe that's going to be infra's requirements. | 19:16 |
| krotscheck | Where to host that code is definitely an #openstack-infra question. | 19:16 |
| hogepodge | We can chat with infra about their preferences. | 19:16 |
| krotscheck | I'm not a fan of mixing my languages. | 19:16 |
| hogepodge | fungi: ? ^^ | 19:16 |
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| fungi | can you tl;dr? | 19:17 |
| davidlenwell | ruby and python in the same repo.. oh my! | 19:17 |
| hogepodge | puppet code for deploying refstack hosted in the refstack project | 19:17 |
| krotscheck | fungi: There's a puppet-refstack module. We're discussing whether it should live in its own repository or as a part of the refstack project. | 19:17 |
| fungi | got it | 19:17 |
| fungi | well, we've been trying to publish the infra puppet modules to the puppetforge | 19:17 |
| fungi | so if the refstack puppet module is comingled with refstack's source code, then we'd end up publishing all of refstack to the forge i think? | 19:18 |
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| davidlenwell | oh that sounds better | 19:18 |
| fungi | seems like that could get messy | 19:18 |
| * davidlenwell doesn't know how puppet people do it | 19:18 | |
| fungi | i'm not sure what the immediate problems with that might be | 19:18 |
| davidlenwell | puppetiers? | 19:19 |
| hogepodge | fungi: that's what would happen. afaik git doesn't really support deploying from subdirectories very well. | 19:19 |
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| fungi | so from an infra perspective, we've generally separated puppet modules out into their own git repos | 19:19 |
| hogepodge | Like say, pointing to the repo as a subdirectory of a parent. | 19:19 |
| hogepodge | fungi: are they hosted on refstack or elsewhere? | 19:20 |
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| fungi | hence an openstack-infra/puppet-refstack git repo for the puppet module that deploys the openstack-infra/refstack software | 19:20 |
| fungi | for example, we have openstack-infra/puppet-zuul that deploys the openstack-infra/zuul software | 19:21 |
| hogepodge | #info openstack-infra/puppet-refstack git repo for the puppet module that deploys the openstack-infra/refstack software | 19:21 |
| hogepodge | That brings up the question about refstack hosting. Right now it's a stackforge project, but I think longer term it should be graduated to another repo. I always assumed to openstack as part of big tent, but would openstack-infra make more sense? | 19:22 |
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| hogepodge | Probably not the time to discuss it in depth, but we can add to a future meeting agenda. | 19:23 |
| davidlenwell | wouldn't want to dive too deep into that with out catherine here | 19:23 |
| hogepodge | davidlenwell: sslypushenko__: thoughts on that as core members | 19:23 |
| hogepodge | davidlenwell: agree | 19:23 |
| davidlenwell | I think .. punt to next week.. | 19:23 |
| davidlenwell | I've never personally cared which name space it was in | 19:23 |
| davidlenwell | stackforge was just the right place for it at the time. | 19:24 |
| davidlenwell | but technically we do fall under infras perview | 19:24 |
| fungi | being an openstack or openstack-infra repo isn't a prerequisite for the infra team deploying and maintaining a service (we run a bunch of non-openstack-originated services), but it still sounds like a good idea | 19:24 |
| sslypushenko__ | I do not have no thoughts about it right now. | 19:24 |
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| hogepodge | #action namespace location for refstack in 1-2 weeks (after catherine has returned from leave) | 19:24 |
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| davidlenwell | +1 | 19:24 |
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| sslypushenko__ | +1 | 19:24 |
| hogepodge | krotscheck: are there other issues regarding the deployment that you'd like to address during this topic? | 19:25 |
| hogepodge | Or anyone else? | 19:25 |
| davidlenwell | I do | 19:25 |
| krotscheck | Not that I can think of. | 19:25 |
| davidlenwell | what is the time table for getting it online? | 19:25 |
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| davidlenwell | I was thinking of asking dreemhost to donate some instances in the interum .. that way im not still paying for hosting out of pocket.. | 19:25 |
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| hogepodge | davidlenwell: that would be fantastic | 19:26 |
| davidlenwell | so its not really worth the effort if they'll have it online in the next say 3 weeks | 19:26 |
| davidlenwell | but if it will be a few months .. then I'll go ahead and do that | 19:26 |
| hogepodge | I think that krotscheck and fungi might be able to give us the best estimates on how long it will take from a development and deployment side. | 19:27 |
| hogepodge | I'll commit to writing the spec by Wednesday cob for infra | 19:27 |
| krotscheck | hogepodge: What you need is someone who's sole job it is to drive this forward and pester the appropriate people. Else it'll just get buried under other priorities. | 19:27 |
| hogepodge | #action hogepodge write spec for infra cloud deployment | 19:27 |
| davidlenwell | krotscheck: who is the appropriate person to poke | 19:27 |
| fungi | pretty much. i mean we're probably going to go from zero to infra on the apps.openstack.org site in a week or two time but it really depends on what else is going on and the relative priorities | 19:28 |
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| davidlenwell | since its on my private hosting account .. I can be the one to follow up | 19:28 |
| krotscheck | davidlenwell: Everyone involved? If the puppet module's broken, it's me. If it's provisioning the instance, it'd be any of the infra-root people. If it's writing a spec, it's hogepodge | 19:28 |
| hogepodge | Starting with the spec I can move this forward, and commit to having it ready for review as early as possible. | 19:28 |
| fungi | and especially on whether someone is already writing the spec and puppet module for it | 19:29 |
| davidlenwell | okay .. so lets fix everythign on our end and I'll follow up next week | 19:29 |
| hogepodge | davidlenwell: So, I would expect if we move fast, three weeks fastest. | 19:29 |
| hogepodge | Just throwing this out there, we need to think about TLS, database backups, and updates. | 19:30 |
| hogepodge | Ok. I'll leave the topic open for a minute or so more, then we can move on. | 19:31 |
| davidlenwell | hogepodge: okay .. I'll talk to some folks and then we can make a final decision about what to do about hosting while we wait next week | 19:31 |
| hogepodge | #action davidlenwell to look at dreamhost hosting | 19:32 |
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| hogepodge | #topic reviews | 19:32 |
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| hogepodge | Almost all of the reviews are on refstack server. | 19:33 |
| hogepodge | most from krotscheck. Are there any in particular you'd like us to call out during the meeting? | 19:34 |
| krotscheck | hogepodge: Maybe? | 19:34 |
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| krotscheck | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185723/ | 19:34 |
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| krotscheck | So, this one moves the various js-based configuration files into the root directory, because that's where the infra jobs expect them to be. | 19:35 |
| krotscheck | We could discuss whether that's clutter. | 19:35 |
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| hogepodge | I don't think so if it's the convention for infra. | 19:36 |
| sslypushenko__ | +1 | 19:36 |
| krotscheck | Well, in that case, the only thing the other patches do is add linting and increase the browsers used in testing. | 19:36 |
| davidlenwell | I think its fine | 19:36 |
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| krotscheck | A random question: Should test be split apart by browser, or by test type? | 19:37 |
| davidlenwell | type I'd assume | 19:37 |
| sslypushenko__ | +1 | 19:37 |
| hogepodge | I'd also guess type. Browser feels too brittle. | 19:37 |
| krotscheck | davidlenwell: What if microsoft comes along and wants to run only IE tests? | 19:37 |
| davidlenwell | do you really want me to answer that? | 19:37 |
| krotscheck | :D | 19:37 |
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| krotscheck | I'm thinking usability. If someone puts up a UI change and it runs into an x-browser compatibility problem, it'd be easier to see from gerrit which one broke. | 19:38 |
| krotscheck | But then again, someone can always click into the test output and see what broke there. | 19:38 |
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| krotscheck | It's really just semantics. | 19:38 |
| davidlenwell | harder to orginize while writing tests though | 19:39 |
| krotscheck | Oh, I'm not even going that far. | 19:39 |
| davidlenwell | since I personally won't write any of these tests I withdraw my objection | 19:39 |
| krotscheck | I'm proposing "npm-run-test-phantom", where it just runs all tests against phantom. | 19:39 |
| davidlenwell | hm | 19:39 |
| davidlenwell | okay | 19:40 |
| krotscheck | Or maybe npm-run-test-unit-phantom | 19:40 |
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| krotscheck | Ehn | 19:40 |
| davidlenwell | no objection there | 19:40 |
| krotscheck | Now that I think about it, that's really going to clutter up the package.json file. | 19:40 |
| krotscheck | I withdraw my topic | 19:40 |
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| davidlenwell | :) | 19:40 |
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| hogepodge | pvaneck: has a couple of review up. Gate fixing patch | 19:41 |
| hogepodge | updated by davidlenwell | 19:41 |
| hogepodge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187282/ | 19:41 |
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| davidlenwell | I gave it a plus 2 | 19:41 |
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| hogepodge | yes, me not reading properly. :-P | 19:42 |
| pvaneck | would be good to get that one in asap | 19:42 |
| davidlenwell | +2 | 19:42 |
| hogepodge | +1 | 19:42 |
| davidlenwell | sslypushenko__: can you review | 19:42 |
| davidlenwell | ? | 19:42 |
| davidlenwell | I know you are on vacation | 19:42 |
| hogepodge | sslypushenko__: you would be the vote, but you're here. :-D | 19:42 |
| davidlenwell | we need to add a 4th core this cycle | 19:43 |
| davidlenwell | we should put that on the agenda for discussion next time we have catherine again | 19:43 |
| sslypushenko__ | I can not check this patch) | 19:43 |
| davidlenwell | sslypushenko__: do you object to my merging it? | 19:43 |
| sslypushenko__ | But at first look it is ok | 19:43 |
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| sslypushenko__ | No objections | 19:44 |
| davidlenwell | with two cores on vacation that has been acceptable.. | 19:44 |
| davidlenwell | thanks.. I'll merge it | 19:44 |
| hogepodge | thanks davidlenwell | 19:44 |
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| davidlenwell | done | 19:44 |
| hogepodge | pvaneck has another patch which updates ui on capabilities files for releases covered | 19:44 |
| hogepodge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/183397/ | 19:44 |
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| pvaneck | that is minor | 19:45 |
| davidlenwell | I'll review toady | 19:46 |
| pvaneck | would like to have the js linting patch in (#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185711/) first | 19:46 |
| pvaneck | since that does a lot of style fixes | 19:46 |
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| hogepodge | pvaneck: don't want to create more work, but I think there's a way to make them a set of linked patches if you work them on the same branch. | 19:47 |
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| krotscheck | git review -d ### will pull down one patch, you can rebase on that | 19:47 |
| pvaneck | yea, i can do that | 19:47 |
| davidlenwell | ^^ krotscheck types faster than me ;) | 19:47 |
| hogepodge | But can you add a review that you'd like the linting patch to land first so the other doesn't go in accidentaly? | 19:48 |
| pvaneck | sure | 19:48 |
| hogepodge | sslypushenko__: has one for dockerizing refstack. It's not passing gate. I'm assuming we'll defer on that until you're back from vacation? | 19:49 |
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| hogepodge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182266/ | 19:49 |
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| sslypushenko__ | sure | 19:50 |
| hogepodge | Any other reviews we should be looking at? I'm skipping over ones that haven't verified of whose submitter isn't around. | 19:50 |
| hogepodge | s/of/or | 19:51 |
| davidlenwell | seems logical | 19:51 |
| hogepodge | #topic open discussion | 19:51 |
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| davidlenwell | I'd like to introduce you guys to a possible new contributer.. bethelwell .. I'm trying to encourage her to help us out with some of our front end code.. | 19:52 |
| hogepodge | bethelwell: welcome! | 19:52 |
| bethelwell | thank you | 19:52 |
| pvaneck | hello! | 19:52 |
| bethelwell | hope you don't mind me viewing from the sidelines! Really interesting to see how the meetings work | 19:53 |
| davidlenwell | she is still lurking and learning how we do things.. I think refstack would be a good place to do some low hanging front end commits.. | 19:53 |
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| pvaneck | we are now using launchpad right? | 19:54 |
| davidlenwell | are we? | 19:54 |
| hogepodge | bethelwell: I'm all for you jumping right in too. New contributors are always welcome. We're happy to answer any questions about refstack or openstack dev in general. | 19:55 |
| davidlenwell | krotscheck: did they decide on a replacement | 19:55 |
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| hogepodge | I'm not 100% certain. | 19:55 |
| krotscheck | davidlenwell: I'm not partial to taht discussion | 19:55 |
| krotscheck | Sorry | 19:55 |
| krotscheck | Part of that discussion | 19:55 |
| davidlenwell | no worreis | 19:55 |
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| bethelwell | thanks hodgepodge. | 19:56 |
| hogepodge | With four minutes left I also want to call out Vlad's contributions. He's moved on to another project within Mirantis. | 19:56 |
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| davidlenwell | +2 thanks Vlad! | 19:56 |
| sslypushenko__ | +100500) | 19:56 |
| pvaneck | yep. thankful for vlad's contributions | 19:57 |
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| hogepodge | Hope everyone is recovering from the summit, and are excited for the upcoming cycle. We have some really great work backing us up. | 19:58 |
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| hogepodge | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 1 19:59:09 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-06-01-19.01.html | 19:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-06-01-19.01.txt | 19:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-06-01-19.01.log.html | 19:59 |
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| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 1 20:00:14 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:00 |
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| igueths | o/ | 20:00 |
| elmiko | heyo/ | 20:00 |
| dave-m___ | \o | 20:00 |
| chellygel | ＼| ￣ヘ￣|／ | 20:01 |
| jvrbanac | o/ | 20:01 |
| elmiko | chellygel, always something creative ;) | 20:01 |
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| silos | o/ | 20:01 |
| redrobot | Not a whole lot of core peeps today. :-\ ... oh well, we'll still have an awesome meeting anyway :D | 20:02 |
| redrobot | as usual the agenda can be found here: | 20:02 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican#Agenda | 20:02 |
| chellygel | elmiko, life is too short for boring arm raises ;) | 20:02 |
| elmiko | chellygel, hells yea! | 20:02 |
| redrobot | #topic Vancouver Summit Recap | 20:02 |
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| rellerreller | o/ | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | The summit was a great success, I think. Thanks to everyone who was able to make it! | 20:03 |
| arunkant | o/ | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | I've collected all the etherpads that were used during the summit at this wiki page: | 20:03 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Barbican/Liberty | 20:03 |
| elmiko | no more liquorice though... ;) | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | I sent out some emails last Friday to contributors who signed up for action items for LIberty, so hopefully y'all received those. | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | Also, I've started an etherpad for the next Cycle (M), it currently has all the things we punted at the summit | 20:05 |
| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-m-design-sessions | 20:05 |
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| redrobot | Feel free to add any topics for the next summit... ( I know, we're thinking way ahead... ) | 20:05 |
| redrobot | any questions/comments about the summit? | 20:06 |
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| elmiko | big thumbs up to the barbican team =) | 20:06 |
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| redrobot | thanks elmiko! | 20:07 |
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| alee | o/ | 20:07 |
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| redrobot | Yeah, I feel we got a lot more done than at the Paris summit. | 20:07 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on... | 20:07 |
| elmiko | the work sessions were great | 20:07 |
| redrobot | #topic New Core Reviewers | 20:07 |
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| redrobot | In case you missed it on the mailing ilst, we have two new core reviewers: Kaitlin Farr (kfarr) from JHAPL, and Chelsea Winfree (chellygel) from Rackspace | 20:08 |
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| elmiko | congrats! | 20:08 |
| redrobot | well deserved imho | 20:08 |
| jvrbanac | w00t | 20:08 |
| rellerreller | Congrats! | 20:09 |
| chellygel | \o/ :) | 20:09 |
| kfarr | thanks! :D | 20:09 |
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| redrobot | now you know who to bug for +2s and +Workflows | 20:09 |
| redrobot | :0 | 20:09 |
| elmiko | hehe | 20:09 |
| chellygel | *＼( *ω*)┓ (for you elmiko ) | 20:09 |
| elmiko | excellent lol | 20:10 |
| redrobot | which brings me to the next topic ... | 20:10 |
| redrobot | #topic Is Barbican too Slow? | 20:10 |
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| redrobot | I had a couple of people at different time express dissatisfaction with the turnaround speed on Gerrit reviews | 20:10 |
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| redrobot | alee, jaosorior and I were talking about possible solutions to this at the summit | 20:11 |
| elmiko | i think that's a fair criticism | 20:11 |
| redrobot | elmiko +1 | 20:11 |
| kfarr | Barbican is not nearly as bad some other projects | 20:11 |
| redrobot | kfarr agreed. | 20:11 |
| woodster_ | o/ | 20:12 |
| redrobot | I think that with the new cores, we should hopefully see more reviews. | 20:12 |
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| alee | kfarr, true - but now that we have a number of core reviewers, we can probably do better. | 20:12 |
| redrobot | one suggestion that alee jaosorior and I had was around the need for 3 reviewers for a CR | 20:12 |
| elmiko | from my perspective, i'm hesitant to review barbican stuff because i'm a little worried about not knowing enough in the domain | 20:12 |
| chellygel | ^ i think this is everyone's concern elmiko | 20:12 |
| elmiko | haha | 20:12 |
| elmiko | at least i'm not alone then ;) | 20:13 |
| redrobot | the suggestion was to ask the +Workflow 3rd reviewer to just do a high-level review, not an in-depth one, and trust that the other two core reviewers did their due dilligence. | 20:13 |
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| jvrbanac | redrobot, I think 3 reviewers is appropriate for a project like Barbican. | 20:13 |
| woodster_ | that's why doc reviews are so important...that helps with making sure we have the requirements correct at least. No code knowledge needed | 20:13 |
| rellerreller | redrobot How does that compare to other projects? | 20:14 |
| woodster_ | 2.5 reviewers | 20:14 |
| chellygel | redrobot, what would we define "due diligence" as and "high level" as | 20:14 |
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| rellerreller | chellygel +1 | 20:14 |
| jkf | Greetings | 20:14 |
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| redrobot | due dilligence = line-by-line review, also possibly pulling down the patch and running it locally | 20:15 |
| arunkant | woodster_, +1, I could not agree more. We need better and upto date API docs. | 20:15 |
| redrobot | high level = not line-by-line, more of a general "does this change make sense for barbican?" | 20:15 |
| chellygel | i'm afraid code reviews would take significantly longer if people were pulling down patches though. I think its a good idea, but if the concern is time, that may not solve that issue | 20:15 |
| alee | jvrbanac, we're the only project which requires 3 reviewers. the compromise here is that we would get the benefit of having several cores being familiar with whats going on, but not a slowdown of the process. | 20:15 |
| redrobot | rellerreller almost all other projects only recquire 2 core reviewers. | 20:16 |
| chellygel | I'm not sure how many of us have actually pulled changes ? | 20:16 |
| elmiko | chellygel: i did for some of the testing patches, but those were easy | 20:16 |
| chellygel | My concern is some / most of these won't be easy | 20:17 |
| rellerreller | I think a 2.5 review sounds good to me. I remember when I first started that I thought it was only 2 core reviews and a workflow. | 20:17 |
| elmiko | chellygel: +1 | 20:17 |
| chellygel | example: my HSM change -- that requires an HSM to actually test | 20:17 |
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| redrobot | chellygel agreed. thus the "possibly" qualifier. :) | 20:17 |
| alee | chellygel, sometimes it makes sense to pull a change down and test locally. soemtimes not. | 20:17 |
| rellerreller | I have not been running changes locally. I thought Gerrit would take of that. | 20:17 |
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| jvrbanac | Personally, I expect more reviewers on code that goes into something like a key manager | 20:18 |
| chellygel | i understand, but I'd have to say I don't think many people do pull the changes down... easy or hard redrobot / alee | 20:18 |
| jvrbanac | Considering the implications | 20:18 |
| redrobot | rellerreller I like to when it's an APIImpact review to actually see the request/response | 20:18 |
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| rellerreller | redrobot Good to know. That's cool. | 20:19 |
| alee | rellerreller, redrobot - so some of the changes in process we suggested for api changes will help in that regard too. | 20:19 |
| woodster_ | one approach would be for folks to list the areas they are 'domain experts' or really interested in, and if a CR is reviewed for one of these areas, then at least one of those people should be a +2 or workflow for it. | 20:19 |
| redrobot | woodster_ I would think that would increase the bus factor | 20:20 |
| redrobot | woodster_ ie. so-and-so isn't here so nobody wants to review the patch. | 20:20 |
| chellygel | Well, aside from just changing the number of reviewers -- what are other solutions to this problem? | 20:20 |
| rellerreller | What is the exact problem? Which part of the process takes the longest? | 20:20 |
| chellygel | rellerreller, i think we are on the same wavelength today :P | 20:20 |
| rellerreller | First review? All reviews? | 20:20 |
| redrobot | rellerreller I think the concern was around submitting the patch to finally having it merged. | 20:20 |
| chellygel | I have noticed on reviews when one receives a -1 it takes time for the code submitter to address them and submit a new patch. | 20:20 |
| woodster_ | redrobot: well, I'd hope more than one person signed up for a given area, but no guarantee | 20:20 |
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| elmiko | from my perspective, the few small patches i submitted had early +1's but then it took awhile to push them over the top. | 20:21 |
| chellygel | So, we will receive a -1 and it may take 1 week for them to address the issues and push back | 20:21 |
| igueths | woodster_: Which would leave one having to define an /area/ | 20:21 |
| chellygel | but also, when a review has a -1 -- i find that other reviewers do not touch it | 20:21 |
| rellerreller | chellygel I have seen that too | 20:21 |
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| elmiko | chellygel: that seems pretty common across projects to me | 20:21 |
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| chellygel | So, in my mind -- the best solution is to submit a comment to address the -1, or a new patch... that seems to kick things off again. | 20:22 |
| chellygel | or asking all reviewers (not just cores) to pick through -1'd reviews as well | 20:22 |
| redrobot | chellygel I admit I'm guilty of not clicking through -1s on my dashboard when there's other things to review. | 20:22 |
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| woodster_ | we've also talked about mentioning CRs that need reviews during out weekly IRC...maybe just the top 3 oldest ones perhaps, and celebrating the ones that were merged since last week | 20:23 |
| rellerreller | I do not review something that has -1. | 20:23 |
| elmiko | maybe devote a small portion of this meeting to pointing out reviews that are stagnating? | 20:23 |
| chellygel | i have seen patches get up to 10+ because one person was nit picked and then later someone has discovered a logical flaw | 20:23 |
| chellygel | +1 elmiko | 20:23 |
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| woodster_ | rellerreller: but you might disagree with the -1, therefore missing out on bike shed opportunities :) | 20:23 |
| redrobot | woodster_ elmiko +1 to mentioning high-priority CRs in this meeting. Usually when a contributor is interested they'll throw a link in the agenda | 20:23 |
| rellerreller | woodster_ That is true, and I love bike shedding :) | 20:24 |
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| woodster_ | rellerreller: you and me both! | 20:24 |
| chellygel | redrobot, alee before changing the number -- i'd like to see us try other solutions (as we are discussing here) | 20:24 |
| jvrbanac | +1 chellygel | 20:24 |
| redrobot | chellygel k | 20:24 |
| chellygel | perhaps 2 weeks to see if things get better? | 20:24 |
| rellerreller | I would like to see someone set a date where they are available for fixing. | 20:24 |
| redrobot | I just wanted to relay the concerns I heard at the summit. We can table this for a couple of weeks. | 20:25 |
| chellygel | rellerreller, for fixing -1's? | 20:25 |
| rellerreller | I like when person is available for quick turnarounds to make me happy | 20:25 |
| rellerreller | chellygel yes | 20:25 |
| elmiko | redrobot: i was thinking in addition to high-prio stuff, just an agenda item that links to the search url for all open barbican reviews. something that could be brought up quickly and maybe a few could be cherry picked. | 20:25 |
| alee | chellygel, redrobot - actually I was more concerned about the velocity of the project and not individual reviews per -se | 20:25 |
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| rellerreller | My memory is terrible. If a -1 is not resolved in a day or two then I forget what I reviewed and I get frustrated. | 20:25 |
| alee | if I look at the last cycle, it seemed like there was a long period of relative inactivity after the summit | 20:26 |
| redrobot | alee yeah, I think that's a different agenda item... one that I can probably cover next :) | 20:26 |
| alee | followed by frantic activity after the mid-cycle | 20:26 |
| elmiko | redrobot: i think that's fair too, i mean the folks putting patches up should be on top of posting new patchsets or responding to comments. | 20:26 |
| woodster_ | #segue | 20:26 |
| alee | redrobot, its related, because if we fix the turnaround time , maybe the velocity problem will be fixed too. | 20:27 |
| elmiko | er, i meant to reply to rellerreller. sorry | 20:27 |
| redrobot | I'm ready to move on to the next topic. We'll revisit this topic again in a couple of weeks to see how we're feeling about it. | 20:28 |
| redrobot | #topic Mid-Cycle Sprint | 20:28 |
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| alee | redrobot, either way - I think we need to devote part of this meeting to calling out reviews | 20:28 |
| alee | that have languished | 20:28 |
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| redrobot | alee agreed, I'll make it a point to talk about those during the meeting. Maybe the last 10 minutes or so. | 20:28 |
| redrobot | the mid-cycle sprint has been scheduled | 20:29 |
| redrobot | It will be August 5-7 in Laurel, Maryland | 20:29 |
| rellerreller | I have to run o/ | 20:29 |
| redrobot | many thanks to the JHAPL folks for hosting it | 20:29 |
| redrobot | one goal that we want for the mid cycle is to land all specs before it happens | 20:30 |
| redrobot | one concern that alee mentioned is that last cycle we put off a lot of things because we could "talk about it at the mid-cycle" | 20:30 |
| woodster_ | that was our goal last cycle :) | 20:30 |
| redrobot | because of that, a lot of specs lingered for a while | 20:30 |
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| woodster_ | we wanted the last mid cycle to just be a hackathon as I recall | 20:30 |
| redrobot | and we were in a crunch to land code for the last release | 20:30 |
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| woodster_ | so this needs to complete before M3 for any feature?: BP (with API doc verbiage as needed), then doc CR, then server code CR, then client CR? | 20:32 |
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| alee | redrobot, when are the liberty-1, 2 , 3 deadlines? | 20:32 |
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| alee | woodster_, dont forget functional tests | 20:32 |
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| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Liberty_Release_Schedule | 20:33 |
| redrobot | ^^ alee | 20:33 |
| woodster_ | alee: I lumped that in the server CR but better to break it out for sure | 20:33 |
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| redrobot | I would like to see all BPs landed by liberty-1. It would be ok for some BPs to slip to liberty-2. However, after liberty-2 all pending specs should be punted. | 20:34 |
| woodster_ | so it seems that the BP and doc CRs should be merged before before the mid cycle to have a hope of meeting M3? | 20:34 |
| woodster_ | redrobot: got it | 20:34 |
| alee | redrobot, may I suggest we aim for blueprints/specs to be in by L-1, doc and functional tests by L-2? | 20:34 |
| redrobot | alee +1 I like that | 20:34 |
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| alee | (and ideally code too) | 20:35 |
| woodster_ | so two months | 20:35 |
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| alee | that way we can actually be reviewing code in the midcycle | 20:35 |
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| redrobot | woodster_ one month to iterate on spec, and one month to iterate on docs/functional tests seems like plenty of time. | 20:35 |
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| woodster_ | I figure it depends on the feature for sure | 20:36 |
| redrobot | then hopefully review and/or write code CRs at the mid-cycle. | 20:36 |
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| alee | woodster_, well - non-api related changes dont need functional tests or even docs sometimes .. | 20:37 |
| woodster_ | alee: that's true | 20:38 |
| alee | but the advantage of writing the functional tests first for api changes is that you have an agreed upon goal to code to | 20:38 |
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| alee | woodster_, rather than having to scramble at the last minute because what was coded did not match what we were thinking for content types | 20:39 |
| alee | for inatnce | 20:39 |
| alee | or that certain scenarios were not actually covered in functional tests | 20:39 |
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| woodster_ | alee: I still think api docs are the very best way to review things...even non-coders can participate in the reviews. Functional/unit tests are nice after that though | 20:40 |
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| alee | woodster_, I'm not saying not to code during the first two months -- just to try to get specs, fucntional tests, api docs done by L-2 | 20:40 |
| alee | woodster_, agreed - you cant write the functional tests without the api docs | 20:41 |
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| woodster_ | alee: that sounds good | 20:41 |
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| alee | otherwise how would someone review them? | 20:41 |
| chellygel | (afk -- 2 secs!) | 20:42 |
| redrobot | ok, so to summarize: | 20:42 |
| redrobot | #agreed We'll aim to land Blueprint Specs by liberty-1 | 20:42 |
| redrobot | #agreed We'll aim to land Documentation CRs for APIImpact specs by liberty-2 | 20:42 |
| redrobot | #agreed We will not be landing specs at the mid-cycle | 20:43 |
| alee | redrobot, doc crs + functional tests please :) | 20:43 |
| redrobot | #agreed Functional tests should be submitted with or shortly after the Docs CR | 20:44 |
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| chellygel | (back) | 20:45 |
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| redrobot | any comments/questions about the mid-cycle or the milestone goals? | 20:45 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on... | 20:46 |
| redrobot | #topic CR Reviews | 20:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CR Reviews (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:46 | |
| redrobot | since we're out of topics, let's start the habit of mentioning high priority or long running CRs | 20:47 |
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| redrobot | I'll start. We really need to land the ACL fixes so we can backport them to Kilo and cut a new release | 20:47 |
| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:%22Arun+Kant%22+status:open,n,z | 20:47 |
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| redrobot | thanks to arunkant for all the work he's put into these. | 20:47 |
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| alee | redrobot, as you're going to cur a new release with arunkant changes, can you also backport the fix I put in for dogtag? | 20:48 |
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| elmiko | do we have time for a quick chat about barbican.sh ? | 20:49 |
| redrobot | #action redrobot to backport dogtag fix to Kilo branch | 20:49 |
| alee | redrobot, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181786/ | 20:49 |
| alee | redrobot, and agreed - we need to get arunkant changes in -- they've been pending awhile | 20:50 |
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| redrobot | elmiko sure thing... we have 10 min before the end of meeting | 20:50 |
| alee | redrobot, which CRs ? there are many? | 20:50 |
| arunkant | Will appreciate if folks can review ACl changes there are 3 CRs related ( 1 doc, 2 code CR) | 20:50 |
| elmiko | so, i'm helping alee with some packaging issues and i'm curious about the deprecation of barbican-all, and if it would acceptable to create a cli.py module that we could generate some wrapper scripts from? | 20:51 |
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| elmiko | also, if uwsgi is the "default" deployment option for a single instance/stand alone barbican? | 20:52 |
| redrobot | #topic barbican.sh | 20:52 |
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| elmiko | basically, it makes life very easy for an openstack-barbican package if we can have a script to start the service from, systemd for example. | 20:52 |
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| elmiko | and i thought barbican-all would be nice, but i'm curious about it's deprecation | 20:53 |
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| redrobot | elmiko yeah... I think xaeth had some similar concerns for Fedora packaging | 20:53 |
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| redrobot | uwsgi is not a requirement. just happens to be what Rackspace will be using. I've heard of HP folks successfully running Barbican in Apache | 20:53 |
| elmiko | also, i've seen other projects use the setup.cfg to create the script files from python code so that we don't need to carry a bunch of extra scripts. i'm just curious how people feel about this. | 20:54 |
| elmiko | i'm fine with uwsgi as it provides a nice stand alone option, apache seems better for integrated options | 20:54 |
| redrobot | elmiko I'm on board for moving some scripts into the code tree where it makes sense. | 20:54 |
| elmiko | ok, should i create a blueprint/spec or just bug and CR ? | 20:54 |
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| alee | elmiko, I'm ok with bug and cr .. | 20:55 |
| elmiko | cool | 20:55 |
| redrobot | I think that the RDO and Debian packaging folks would prefer that we support Apache, since I think all of openstack runs on apache out of the box | 20:55 |
| elmiko | i'm still experimenting, but i have a feeling i can come up with some clean and straight forward. | 20:55 |
| elmiko | redrobot: agreed, and i don't want to change that. | 20:55 |
| alee | redrobot, interesting -- even barbican -- I may talk to you abiout that - because I'm looking at apache for rdo. | 20:55 |
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| elmiko | but we do have cases where users might install just the barbican package, and i think a script would be helpful for that. | 20:56 |
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| redrobot | elmiko agreed. another request that the packagers had was to drop the .py suffix from our scripts | 20:56 |
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| elmiko | right, using the setup.cfg tools could make it really clean that way | 20:57 |
| redrobot | I know xaeth had to do a couple of custom patches for the Fedora package. | 20:57 |
| elmiko | (i'm blanking on the package name right now) | 20:57 |
| elmiko | setuptools | 20:57 |
| redrobot | elmiko yeah, with entry_points that point to a module in the code tree... definitely a nice setup. | 20:58 |
| elmiko | right | 20:58 |
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| elmiko | ok, i'll keep hacking and hopefully throw up a bug/cr sometime in the next 2 weeks | 20:58 |
| redrobot | #action elmiko to file bug to move some management scripts from bin/ to entry_points | 20:58 |
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| redrobot | ok, just about out of time y'all | 20:58 |
| elmiko | thanks | 20:58 |
| redrobot | thanks for coming! | 20:58 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Vancouver Design Summit (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 1 20:59:10 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-06-01-20.00.html | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-06-01-20.00.txt | 20:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-06-01-20.00.log.html | 20:59 |
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