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| tmorin | #startmeeting bgpvpn | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 2 15:01:21 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmorin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: bgpvpn)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'bgpvpn' | 15:01 |
| vikram | hi | 15:01 |
| * pc_m in another meeting...lurking here | 15:01 | |
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| svinota | hi guys | 15:01 |
| tmorin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/BGPVPN | 15:01 |
| tmorin | hi paul, hi petr | 15:01 |
| tmorin | hi vikram | 15:01 |
| timirnich | hi folks | 15:02 |
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| tmorin | hi tim | 15:02 |
| tmorin | the link is a proposed agenda | 15:02 |
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| matrohon | hi | 15:04 |
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| matrohon | sorry fot the delay :) | 15:04 |
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| tmorin | not sure who else will come, we can wait 1/2 minute and start I guess | 15:04 |
| tmorin | many of those present to discuss this in Vancouver are here already | 15:04 |
| tmorin | hi mat, hi ildiko | 15:05 |
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| pcarver | hi | 15:06 |
| tmorin | hi paul | 15:07 |
| pc_m | hi | 15:07 |
| matrohon | hi pc_m | 15:07 |
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| pc_m | hi folks. I'm in a conf call, so will try to keep one eye on this too :) | 15:07 |
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| tmorin | ok, I guess we can start | 15:08 |
| tmorin | thanks everyone for being present | 15:08 |
| tmorin | there is a propsed agenda at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/BGPVPN | 15:08 |
| tmorin | don't hesitate to suggest additional points | 15:08 |
| tmorin | first a status | 15:08 |
| tmorin | there is an ongoing discussion on the proposed API | 15:09 |
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| tmorin | this is at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177740 | 15:09 |
| tmorin | there are a few pending things to discuss later today | 15:09 |
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| tmorin | and there is a discussed to progress on how/when to converge with other proposal in VPNaaS | 15:09 |
| tmorin | we'll have this discussion later today during the VPNaaS meeting | 15:10 |
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| tmorin | (16:00 UTC #openstakc-meeting-3) | 15:10 |
| pc_m | tmorin: how, when, and if it makes sense | 15:10 |
| tmorin | pc_m: yes | 15:10 |
| tmorin | the other thing on which we can update the statusis the networking-bgpvpn project | 15:11 |
| tmorin | it currently is a stackforge project | 15:11 |
| tmorin | and we made, last week, a request for making it an openstakc project under the neutron big tent | 15:11 |
| tmorin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186041 | 15:11 |
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| matrohon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186041 | 15:11 |
| tmorin | this request is being progressed, and as we understand, simply pending the ultimate validation | 15:12 |
| vikram | Great Work:) | 15:13 |
| tmorin | if this is validated, as we hope, we will also move the API spec there and abandon the change for Liberty specs discussed in 177740 | 15:13 |
| pc_m | nice | 15:13 |
| tmorin | yes :) | 15:14 |
| svinota | tmorin, any relation and/or comments regarding Mohammad's https://review.openstack.org/#/c/152377/ ? | 15:14 |
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| vikram | I feel it's on the agenda :"discussion to follow on possible convergence with other related proposal: during VPNaaS meeting (16:00 UTC #openstack-meeting-3" | 15:14 |
| tmorin | yes, this is the idea | 15:15 |
| matrohon | vikram : +1 | 15:15 |
| tmorin | for now we haven't see a clear convergence in the targets | 15:15 |
| john_a_joyce | we shoudl try hard ton converge | 15:15 |
| vikram | tmorin: +1 | 15:15 |
| john_a_joyce | the use cases are very similar | 15:15 |
| tmorin | john_a_joyce: well, that does not seem obvious, but as we say --> up for discussion later today | 15:16 |
| pc_m | would be good to understand the use cases for each of the two. | 15:16 |
| john_a_joyce | tmorin: at a high level I don't see much a difference | 15:16 |
| tmorin | pc_me: we hope to have properly documented the usecase in the spec in 177740, but comments are welcome | 15:16 |
| john_a_joyce | sure in the details there are differences | 15:16 |
| pc_m | tmorin: I'll check it out more | 15:17 |
| tmorin | I think the discussion on this should involve Mohamad and others | 15:17 |
| * pc_m trying to wrap my head around both of these :) | 15:17 | |
| tmorin | let's discuss this later today | 15:17 |
| john_a_joyce | tmorin: makes sense - lets leave it for now | 15:17 |
| tmorin | you tell us how we can help | 15:17 |
| tmorin | ok | 15:17 |
| vikram | actually, i also want to see both the API together :) | 15:17 |
| tmorin | #topic discuss on BGP VPN API, pending items | 15:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "discuss on BGP VPN API, pending items (Meeting topic: bgpvpn)" | 15:18 | |
| tmorin | (apart from question related to difference/convergence with other proposals) | 15:18 |
| tmorin | the spec has been updated to address comments made | 15:18 |
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| tmorin | there aren't much pending points | 15:18 |
| tmorin | we steel need to describe in more detail how we want to use the "type" field | 15:19 |
| tmorin | how much in detail we want this field to indicate a particular technology | 15:19 |
| tmorin | the example being IP VPN with RFC4364, and IP VPN with E-VPN Prefix routes | 15:19 |
| svinota | tmorin, maybe just write in the type field the rfc number? | 15:20 |
| svinota | like type = 'rfc4364' | 15:20 |
| tmorin | yes, with some adaptation for specs which aren't rfcs yet | 15:21 |
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| svinota | 'rfcXXXX+extension' | 15:21 |
| tmorin | we had talked about "l2:", "l3:" suffixed by some text indicating the technique | 15:21 |
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| tmorin | anyhow the API spec will have to list the values and document what they correspond too | 15:21 |
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| tmorin | the format itself is not that important | 15:22 |
| svinota | yep | 15:22 |
| svinota | then can we just make an initial list of types to submit, and later expand it, if needed? | 15:23 |
| svinota | (leaving current types intact, sure) | 15:23 |
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| tmorin | i think the inital list could be "l3:rfc4364", "l2:evpn", "l3:evpn-type5" | 15:23 |
| svinota | ack | 15:23 |
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| tmorin | and we also need to document the API for listing the types, but this one is quite trivial | 15:24 |
| tmorin | we'll return a json list of the type strings e.g. [ "l3:rfc4364", "l2:evpn", "l3:evpn-type5" ] | 15:24 |
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| vikram | do we really want to name as "l3:rfc4364" | 15:25 |
| tmorin | #action tmorin to update spec for type field | 15:25 |
| tmorin | maybe not | 15:26 |
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| svinota | tmorin, just to be clear: list of types, really supported by the running implementation | 15:26 |
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| vikram | ok .. | 15:26 |
| tmorin | ipvpn could be good enough, and the API documentation would say 'this means RFC4364' | 15:26 |
| tmorin | "ipvpn" is more use friendly | 15:26 |
| tmorin | petr: yes, list of supported types | 15:27 |
| * svinota thinks that an rfc reference is friendly enough | 15:27 | |
| tmorin | ;) | 15:27 |
| vikram | :) | 15:27 |
| tmorin | ok we can keep this open for now | 15:27 |
| matrohon | so the API should ask the driver to get supported types | 15:28 |
| vikram | can we have separate section for l2 and l3 and then stating sub-types? | 15:28 |
| tmorin | matrohon: yes | 15:28 |
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| tmorin | what do you mean by section ? | 15:28 |
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| svinota | vikram, section == ? | 15:28 |
| tmorin | hi carl | 15:28 |
| vikram | i mean one string stating both types and sub-types or two diff arguments for types and su-types separately | 15:29 |
| vikram | am I clear? | 15:30 |
| tmorin | yes | 15:30 |
| tmorin | this is not a bad idea | 15:30 |
| svinota | there is a reason to state explicitly arguments, agree | 15:30 |
| svinota | not to require any implicit string parsing | 15:30 |
| tmorin | one (l2/l3) can be exposed to the tenant, and the other hidden | 15:30 |
| vikram | ok | 15:30 |
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| tmorin | and we can indicate that the second one can be ommitted, up to the driver to use its default | 15:31 |
| svinota | not sure, if we should hide anything from tenants, but explicit things are better sometimes. | 15:31 |
| svinota | tmorin, just notice, that the list call will take an argument then | 15:31 |
| tmorin | yes indeed | 15:32 |
| svinota | tmorin, like list('l2') -> ['evpn'] | 15:32 |
| tmorin | yes | 15:32 |
| vikram | svinota: +1 | 15:32 |
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| tmorin | ok lets agree on that and move to the next topic | 15:32 |
| svinota | ack | 15:32 |
| vikram | ok | 15:33 |
| tmorin | there is another pending point on whether we should let the API user specify a VXLAN id when VXLAN is used as an encap | 15:33 |
| tmorin | diego was the one suggesting that, I suggest we wait for a meeting where he is present to address this | 15:33 |
| tmorin | #topic networking-bgpvpn, work items | 15:34 |
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| tmorin | so we have a few pieces of work on which we'll need to work | 15:34 |
| tmorin | moving the API on the new networking-bgpvpn project is one | 15:34 |
| tmorin | an easy one | 15:34 |
| tmorin | it goes with the creation of the new repo etc | 15:35 |
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| vikram | is the neutronclient part done? | 15:35 |
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| matrohon | vikram : it's included in the bgpvpn upstream code | 15:35 |
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| vikram | ok | 15:35 |
| tmorin | matrohon, ok for handling the new repo creation etc. ? | 15:36 |
| matrohon | #action : matrohon to create the new openstack repo | 15:36 |
| vikram | matrohon: thanks | 15:36 |
| matrohon | neutronclient is extendable now :) | 15:36 |
| vikram | :) | 15:37 |
| tmorin | yes, installing the networking-bgpvpn package is enough to extend the python-neutronclient so that the new commands can be used | 15:37 |
| tmorin | next stuff to do is adapting the code to what we changed in the API since the early proposal | 15:37 |
| tmorin | API calls | 15:37 |
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| tmorin | DB mapping | 15:37 |
| tmorin | neutron client | 15:37 |
| tmorin | getting supported technique info from the driver | 15:38 |
| tmorin | I think these are the four pieces | 15:38 |
| vikram | i can help with few of these | 15:38 |
| tmorin | for the API, DB and neutron client, the work specificaly relates to: RDs field, supporting multiple networks | 15:39 |
| matrohon | vikram : thanks :) | 15:39 |
| tmorin | vikram: kewl :) | 15:39 |
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| vikram | I can take up this:) | 15:39 |
| vikram | if unassigned | 15:40 |
| tmorin | which piece in partcular ? | 15:40 |
| tmorin | anyone else ? | 15:40 |
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| svinota | I can help, sure | 15:40 |
| vikram | neutron client to start with | 15:40 |
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| matrohon | vikram, svinota : I'll create the corresponding blueprint | 15:40 |
| svinota | matrohon, thanks | 15:41 |
| vikram | ok | 15:41 |
| vikram | do we have any deadlines? | 15:41 |
| svinota | tmorin, is it ok if I will take a look onto RD and DB mappings? | 15:41 |
| matrohon | svinota : great ! | 15:42 |
| tmorin | vikram: "strike while the iron is hot" is our deadline ;) | 15:42 |
| vikram | hehehehe ;) | 15:42 |
| tmorin | svinota: +1, excellent | 15:42 |
| svinota | ok | 15:42 |
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| vikram | actually, i will on a vacation from 10th - 21st June | 15:42 |
| vikram | so .. just want to confirm | 15:43 |
| matrohon | vikram : ok, np | 15:43 |
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| vikram | thanks Mathieu | 15:43 |
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| svinota | tmorin, matrohon, I'm not familiar with the meeting's black magic, could you write down somewhere on the meeting minutes these assignments? | 15:44 |
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| tmorin | ok, don't hesitate to ping ourselves on #neutron | 15:44 |
| tmorin | yes, the bot will track this based on #action stuff we type | 15:44 |
| matrohon | #action matrohon to create blueprint and assign them | 15:45 |
| tmorin | #action vikram update python-neutronclient code | 15:45 |
| svinota | #action : svinota to work on DB mappings and RD | 15:45 |
| tmorin | perfect :) | 15:45 |
| svinota | huh | 15:45 |
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| tmorin | (maybe the meetbot likes it better without the colon) | 15:45 |
| tmorin | i'm not familiar yet either ;) | 15:46 |
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| tmorin | next item: unit tests | 15:46 |
| pc_m | Question, will there be an issue, if the cli client comes out, and then later a decision is made to blend it into the VPN APIs? | 15:46 |
| tmorin | we already have a basic coverage, but I guess it will need to be adapted to the API changes too | 15:46 |
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| tmorin | pc_m: no magic | 15:47 |
| vikram | pc_m: I feel yes | 15:47 |
| matrohon | pc_m : it'll depend on the degree of integration we might have with the VPN project | 15:47 |
| tmorin | pc_m: if the API are close enough, we should be able to make that compatible, but we aren't there yet | 15:48 |
| tmorin | hard to tell now | 15:48 |
| pc_m | concern about an API getting published, and then trying to change it. | 15:48 |
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| vikram | pc_m: Make sense. +1 | 15:49 |
| tmorin | of course, but the starting point is do not delay progress waiting for (a still hypothetical) convergence | 15:49 |
| matrohon | it really depends on the VPNaaS V2 API | 15:50 |
| tmorin | only 10 mins left, I'd rather use time to cover other items | 15:51 |
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| tmorin | unit test: API calls are covered but will need an update | 15:51 |
| svinota | pc_m, tmorin , iirc we have API versioning, and I believe that's exactly why it is needed — not to wait for a perfect solution indefinitely | 15:51 |
| tmorin | svinota: +1 | 15:51 |
| tmorin | unit test will also need to cover DB persistency, which they don't do yet | 15:51 |
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| svinota | tmorin, unit, not functional? | 15:52 |
| john_a_joyce | but versioning is for extending the APIs not to try to converge two into one down the road | 15:52 |
| pc_m | makes sense, just worried about introducing more pain down the road. Maybe unneccessarily? | 15:52 |
| tmorin | I'm ok to take on this part (persistency unit test for db) | 15:52 |
| tmorin | svinota: func tests, next item :) | 15:52 |
| svinota | ok :) | 15:52 |
| tmorin | #action tmorin investigate unit test coverage to db persistency | 15:53 |
| tmorin | ok, let's talk about func tests now | 15:53 |
| tmorin | i know svinota and mat where interested | 15:53 |
| matrohon | Neutron has made significant improvment in this area in kilo | 15:53 |
| matrohon | the use of nethelpers and the Fixture lib helps on creating what's neede for func test | 15:54 |
| matrohon | I start to investigate on how to use the existing work to perform bagpipe func tests | 15:55 |
| tmorin | maybe we can plan an IRC discuss later this week on this, with at leat you petr ? | 15:55 |
| tmorin | you and matrohon I mean | 15:55 |
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| matrohon | i make sens for other drivers too | 15:55 |
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| matrohon | since it helps to create the corresponding neutron conf file etc.... | 15:56 |
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| svinota | I agree, lets plan a meeting — this time is almost over | 15:57 |
| tmorin | yes | 15:57 |
| matrohon | ok | 15:57 |
| tmorin | let keep other items for a future meeting | 15:57 |
| vikram | ok | 15:57 |
| tmorin | #topic driver status | 15:57 |
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| tmorin | any update here ? | 15:57 |
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| vikram | just we need to work on API convergance fastly to avoid rework | 15:59 |
| tmorin | let's discuss dirvers next time | 15:59 |
| tmorin | #topic next meetings | 15:59 |
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| john_a_joyce | vikram: yes - that is probably most important | 15:59 |
| tmorin | any opinion on this slot ? | 15:59 |
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| tmorin | good for everyone ? | 15:59 |
| matrohon | everybody's ok with this timeslot? | 15:59 |
| vikram | i am fine | 15:59 |
| timirnich | works fine for me | 15:59 |
| john_a_joyce | fine for me | 16:00 |
| tmorin | ok, then I'll register this slot for bgpvpn weekly meeting | 16:00 |
| svinota | great. | 16:00 |
| tmorin | we'll see down the road if we keep the periodicity | 16:00 |
| john_a_joyce | thanks for driving us forward tmorin | 16:00 |
| pc_m | I think OK for me. | 16:00 |
| vikram | Good job Thomos | 16:01 |
| tmorin | not alone though, but thanks | 16:01 |
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| tmorin | thank you all for your involvment | 16:01 |
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| tmorin | see you next week | 16:01 |
| vikram | byey | 16:01 |
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| vikram | bye | 16:01 |
| tmorin | and in a minute on vpnaas :) | 16:01 |
| timirnich | thanks and bye | 16:01 |
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| vikram | :) | 16:02 |
| tmorin | bye | 16:02 |
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| tmorin | #endmeeting | 16:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 2 16:02:20 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2015/bgpvpn.2015-06-02-15.01.html | 16:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2015/bgpvpn.2015-06-02-15.01.txt | 16:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2015/bgpvpn.2015-06-02-15.01.log.html | 16:02 |
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| serg_melikyan | #startmeeting murano | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 2 17:01:21 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is serg_melikyan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:01 |
| serg_melikyan | o/ | 17:01 |
| serg_melikyan | Hi folks, today is awesome day :) | 17:01 |
| serg_melikyan | We have 2 new core reviewers in our team :) | 17:01 |
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| kzaitsev | gday =) | 17:01 |
| serg_melikyan | kzaitsev - congrats! | 17:02 |
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| DmytroDovbii | o/ | 17:02 |
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| katyafervent2 | 0/ | 17:02 |
| kzaitsev | yay! | 17:02 |
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| ativelkov | o/ | 17:03 |
| ativelkov | sorry for being l8 guys | 17:03 |
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| henar | hi | 17:04 |
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| kzaitsev | I'm going to quote Uncle Ben: With great power comes great responsibility =) | 17:05 |
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| aderyugin | hi! | 17:06 |
| FilipBlaha | hi | 17:06 |
| serg_melikyan | FilipBlaha: My congrats!! | 17:06 |
| FilipBlaha | Thanks:) | 17:06 |
| serg_melikyan | Let's get started :) and proceed with my minute of shame :) | 17:07 |
| serg_melikyan | #topic Action Items Review | 17:07 |
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| serg_melikyan | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-05-26-17.02.html - meeting minutes from previous meeting | 17:08 |
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| serg_melikyan | #1 sergmelikyan create a doodle to select date for overview meeting | 17:08 |
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| serg_melikyan | Was not able to do that :( | 17:08 |
| serg_melikyan | I promise tomorrow we will be voting :) | 17:09 |
| serg_melikyan | #action sergmelikyan create a doodle to select date for overview meeting | 17:09 |
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| serg_melikyan | #topic Roadmap for Liberty | 17:10 |
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| serg_melikyan | Folks, we still don't have a clear roadmap on our wiki | 17:10 |
| serg_melikyan | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Murano/Roadmap | 17:10 |
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| serg_melikyan | We already have several BPs that we agreed (at least initially) to work on during the liberty cycle, let's gather them in one etherpad and assign to the milestone | 17:11 |
| serg_melikyan | any thoughts? | 17:11 |
| katyafervent2 | and do we have clear roadmap in general? | 17:11 |
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| serg_melikyan | katyafervent2: it OpenStack :) Starting from liberty was decided that we don't need to assign BPs to milestone, but I still think that it is usefull | 17:12 |
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| serg_melikyan | http://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg53892.html | 17:14 |
| serg_melikyan | ^ Liberty release management and tracking | 17:14 |
| katyafervent2 | so huge :) | 17:15 |
| serg_melikyan | Read only TL;DR: section ) | 17:15 |
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| serg_melikyan | So what about creating etherpad and putting there BPs? No objections? | 17:17 |
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| katyafervent2 | No | 17:17 |
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| henar | no | 17:18 |
| ativelkov | To discuss - may be. Then we need to move them to wiki | 17:18 |
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| serg_melikyan | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-liberty-etherpads | 17:18 |
| serg_melikyan | #info we will gather BPs in etherpad and move them to Wiki | 17:19 |
| serg_melikyan | ativelkov: sure, that is idea | 17:19 |
| serg_melikyan | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-liberty-bps | 17:19 |
| serg_melikyan | Correct link ^ | 17:19 |
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| kzaitsev | Does it mean, that any BP, that we want to implement in liberty should go to the etherpad? | 17:20 |
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| serg_melikyan | kzaitsev: may be not all of them, but we need to start with biggest ones to form our Roadmap | 17:21 |
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| kzaitsev | got it. Actually... The fact that we have to add BP's for Liberty in an etherpad kind of means, that launchpads ui fails =(( | 17:22 |
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| serg_melikyan | kzaitsev: not exactly - only drivers may add them to launchpad, but not only drivers propose bps | 17:23 |
| kzaitsev | nevertheless will do. =) I've got a couple of smaller ideas, that are yet to be filed as BPs. | 17:23 |
| ativelkov | launchpad ui has been failing for a long time | 17:23 |
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| ativelkov | but the etherpad is just a quick starting point | 17:24 |
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| ativelkov | we will not rely on it for the whole cycle: it's just a document for the next meeting | 17:24 |
| serg_melikyan | ativelkov: you read my mind :) Scary :P | 17:25 |
| kzaitsev | serg_melikyan: that's exactly my point. There's no convinient way to filter BPs. =) Not ranting anymore =) | 17:25 |
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| ativelkov | kzaitsev: there are a bunch of scripts which may be used for various kinds of batch operations in LP | 17:28 |
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| serg_melikyan | #topic Open Discussion | 17:28 |
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| serg_melikyan | Any topics to discuss for today? | 17:28 |
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| serg_melikyan | FilipBlaha: We discussed number of topics on the summit - do you plan to convert them to BPs on launchpad? | 17:29 |
| ativelkov | wanted to gather some requirest on what do people want from the next generation of package repo | 17:29 |
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| serg_melikyan | FilipBlaha: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-liberty-contributors-meetup <- I mean these | 17:30 |
| kzaitsev | oh! I have a question. How about we drop py26 and start supporting py34? I've written a letter today to murano, but since everyone's here.. | 17:30 |
| serg_melikyan | ativelkov: I think it's better to start mailing thread about that | 17:30 |
| FilipBlaha | serg: Radek is working on that but I am no sure right know. I will discuss it with him tomorrow | 17:30 |
| serg_melikyan | kzaitsev: nope :) We should not drop py26, and I am all for py3 job | 17:30 |
| kzaitsev | Why not drop py26? only python-muranoclient uses it right now, not even agent is guaranteed to be py26 compatitable. | 17:32 |
| serg_melikyan | kzaitsev: did you read e-mails from me and Alex? | 17:32 |
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| kzaitsev | oh. sry. will do. | 17:32 |
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| kzaitsev | Ok. Got it. Client is going to be py26 compatitable, and i'll look into py34 some time soon | 17:34 |
| ativelkov | kzaitsev: the general idea is that "normal" openstack services are supposed to live in "normal" environments, which are usually up-to-date etc | 17:34 |
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| ativelkov | Agent is supposed to run in VM, which means that we have even better control over its env | 17:35 |
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| ativelkov | but clients are going to be used in ANY envs, including the legacy ones | 17:36 |
| kzaitsev | ativelkov, yeah, now I see the difference, thanx! | 17:36 |
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| ativelkov | BTW, there is an issue in yaql1.0 under py26 | 17:37 |
| ativelkov | it fails couple of tests on its built-in functions | 17:38 |
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| kzaitsev | and I had some issues with yaql 0.2 when launching murano under py34 today. =) This is going to be a rather fun feature to implement I guess =) | 17:40 |
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| serg_melikyan | kzaitsev: we need to upgrade python-muranoclient to newer versoion of YAQL | 17:40 |
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| katyafervent2 | and release client again?) | 17:43 |
| serg_melikyan | why not? | 17:43 |
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| katyafervent2 | just asking | 17:44 |
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| kzaitsev | "release early, release often" =) | 17:45 |
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| serg_melikyan | Looks like we exhausted topics for today :) | 17:50 |
| serg_melikyan | #endmeeting | 17:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 2 17:50:19 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-06-02-17.01.html | 17:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-06-02-17.01.txt | 17:50 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-06-02-17.01.log.html | 17:50 |
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| jdob | o/ | 19:00 |
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| bnemec | o/ | 19:01 |
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| slagle | hi! | 19:01 |
| slagle | #startmeeting tripleo | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 2 19:01:38 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is slagle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 19:01 |
| slagle | #topic agenda | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:02 | |
| slagle | * bugs | 19:02 |
| slagle | * reviews | 19:02 |
| slagle | * Projects needing releases | 19:02 |
| slagle | * CI | 19:02 |
| slagle | * Specs | 19:02 |
| slagle | * open discussion | 19:02 |
| slagle | there were no new one off agenda items | 19:02 |
| slagle | #topic bugs | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:02 | |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 19:02 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/ | 19:02 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-refresh-config | 19:02 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config | 19:02 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config | 19:02 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-cloud-config | 19:02 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-net-config | 19:02 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar | 19:03 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tuskarclient | 19:03 |
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| slagle | closed out https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1453076 | 19:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1453076 in tripleo "Error: Cannot validate PXE bootloader. Some parameters were missing in node's driver_info. Missing are: ['deploy_ramdisk', 'deploy_kernel']" [Critical,Fix committed] - Assigned to Derek Higgins (derekh) | 19:04 |
| slagle | we released os-cloud-config the week of summit to address that | 19:04 |
| slagle | i dont see any other bugs to discuss or anything untriaged | 19:06 |
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| slagle | any other bug business? | 19:06 |
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| slagle | #topic reviews | 19:07 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "reviews (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:07 | |
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| slagle | was just perusing the review stats | 19:08 |
| slagle | #action slagle submit update to review-stats to reflect new cores | 19:08 |
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| jdob | is the russelbryant link still the one we're looking at? | 19:08 |
| slagle | are there any reviews people would like to ask for attention on? | 19:08 |
| slagle | jdob: it is! | 19:09 |
| jdob | kk | 19:09 |
| slagle | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-openreviews.html | 19:09 |
| slagle | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-30.txt | 19:09 |
| slagle | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-90.txt | 19:09 |
| slagle | #topic CI | 19:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:10 | |
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| slagle | hmm, i'm seeing a lot of red | 19:12 |
| bnemec | I broke one of the big patch series with a typo. :-/ | 19:12 |
| bnemec | Oh, that was not all me though. :-) | 19:13 |
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| bnemec | Connecting to 192.168.1.100:3128... failed: Connection refused. | 19:14 |
| jdob | this page hurts my eyes :) | 19:14 |
| bnemec | Squid is down? | 19:14 |
| jistr | there's probably some genuine problem in non-puppet jobs | 19:14 |
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| slagle | yea we probably need someone to look into what is up | 19:14 |
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| slagle | i see a lot of various failures | 19:14 |
| bnemec | Oh, I managed to click on the one change that failed that early. | 19:15 |
| bnemec | Ah, I might know what's causing it. | 19:15 |
| slagle | 2015-06-02 17:00:25.918 | InternalServerError: Timed out waiting for a reply to message ID e03f7fc0b97e4b53a96422fd4e2611c5 (HTTP 500) | 19:15 |
| slagle | when registering nodes | 19:15 |
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| bnemec | Someone reported that the new oslo.messaging broke Ironic. | 19:15 |
| jdob | ya, I see that in a bunch of differen ones | 19:15 |
| slagle | i see that in a few | 19:15 |
| slagle | bnemec: yea, that sounds like the culprit | 19:15 |
| slagle | is there a bug? | 19:16 |
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| slagle | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1461182 | 19:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1461182 in oslo.messaging "After oslo.messaging release Ironic gate is broken" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Doug Hellmann (doug-hellmann) | 19:17 |
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| bnemec | Heh, was just going to link that. | 19:17 |
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| slagle | we should link to that in #tripleo | 19:17 |
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| bnemec | I added it as a crit too. | 19:18 |
| slagle | thanks | 19:18 |
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| bnemec | Also added to topic in #tripleo | 19:19 |
| slagle | thanks again | 19:19 |
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| slagle | any other CI business? | 19:20 |
| slagle | #topic Specs | 19:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:20 | |
| slagle | i have nothing to say about specs other than we stopped doing them, and I'm not sure that was such a good idea | 19:21 |
| jdob | not sure it was a good idea to stop or have started in the first place? | 19:21 |
| slagle | to have stopped | 19:21 |
| bnemec | +1 | 19:21 |
| jdob | agreed, i'd prefer them to etherpads and what not | 19:21 |
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| slagle | given a large chunk of folks have no idea what others are working on, or have much context about their work | 19:22 |
| slagle | and general feedback at the summit was that no one really knew what tripleo was working on | 19:22 |
| jdob | would anyone be opposed to me proposing a simpler format? | 19:22 |
| jdob | the current template always felt a bit cumbersome to me | 19:22 |
| shardy | +1 on specs but we should keep it fairly lightweight IMO | 19:22 |
| jdob | or is there some sort of larger openstack thing we're trying to adhere to? | 19:22 |
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| slagle | there may be some basic format expected | 19:23 |
| bnemec | Not sure about simplifying it. "Not applicable" is a valid answer to any of the sections, but it's nice to know someone had to at least think about it. | 19:23 |
| jdob | fair enough | 19:23 |
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| bnemec | But if we can streamline the process without losing that then I'm +1. | 19:23 |
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| slagle | as long as they're rst, we're probably OK | 19:24 |
| slagle | but they do end up doc'd here: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/tripleo-specs/ | 19:24 |
| jdob | i'm not hell bent on changing them | 19:24 |
| jdob | i think the bigger issue in the past has been on what constitutes a -1, but I dont want to dredge that up again | 19:24 |
| jdob | we have discussed it in the past | 19:24 |
| slagle | i'd be game to either see something simpler/lightweight or just be less nitpicky in specs | 19:25 |
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| slagle | anyway, something to think about | 19:26 |
| slagle | i think it could help bring some awareness to tripleo related work | 19:26 |
| slagle | not everyone clicks around etherpads randomly | 19:26 |
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| bnemec | Wut!? | 19:27 |
| slagle | ok, bnemec does | 19:27 |
| bnemec | :-) | 19:27 |
| slagle | #topic open discussion | 19:27 |
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| slagle | oh, i forgot releases | 19:28 |
| slagle | #topic releases | 19:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "releases (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:28 | |
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| bnemec | os-collect-config was released yesterday. | 19:28 |
| slagle | i saw that | 19:29 |
| bnemec | We need to work with dhellmann to get our projects configured so the standard release management tools can do their thing. | 19:29 |
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| slagle | configured how? in launchpad? | 19:29 |
| bnemec | That should simplify the release process too. They've essentially scripted the steps we have on the wiki. | 19:30 |
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| bnemec | Yeah, I think we just need to give some permissions to the relman group or something. | 19:30 |
| bnemec | I meant to follow up on it after the Oslo meeting yesterday, but I forgot. | 19:30 |
| slagle | ok | 19:30 |
| bnemec | #action bnemec to figure out release management setup for our launchpad projects | 19:31 |
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| slagle | cool | 19:31 |
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| slagle | #topic open discussion | 19:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:31 | |
| slagle | ok, anything else to discuss before wrapping up? | 19:31 |
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| slagle | alright, that times it out | 19:33 |
| slagle | thanks everyone! | 19:33 |
| slagle | #endmeeting | 19:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Vancouver Design Summit (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 19:33 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 2 19:33:11 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-06-02-19.01.html | 19:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-06-02-19.01.txt | 19:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-06-02-19.01.log.html | 19:33 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 21:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 2 21:03:48 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 21:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 21:03 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2015-06-02_2100_UTC Our Agenda | 21:05 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 21:05 |
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| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 21:05 |
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| mkam | Melissa Kam | 21:05 |
| datsun180b | ed cranford | 21:05 |
| devkulkarni | devdatta kulkarni | 21:05 |
| gpilz | Gil Pilz | 21:05 |
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| james_li | james li | 21:06 |
| adrian_otto | hello mkam datsun180b gpilz devkulkarni | 21:06 |
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| adrian_otto | hello james_li | 21:06 |
| devkulkarni | hi adrian_otto | 21:06 |
| datsun180b | back atcha | 21:06 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 21:07 |
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| adrian_otto | none prepared. Any announcements from team members? | 21:08 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 21:09 |
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| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to spring clean our blueprints | 21:10 |
| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to spring clean our bug list | 21:10 |
| adrian_otto | I am back up to speed again after drowning in email collected during Vancouver! | 21:10 |
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| adrian_otto | I'm planning to submit the OpenStack governace change to include Solum in the projects.yaml | 21:11 |
| adrian_otto | are we still aligned on that pursuit? | 21:11 |
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| datsun180b | fun | 21:11 |
| devkulkarni | nice !! | 21:11 |
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| gpilz | yes | 21:11 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic BP/Task Review | 21:12 |
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| muralia | murali allada | 21:12 |
| adrian_otto | hi muralia | 21:12 |
| muralia | hey adrian. | 21:12 |
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| adrian_otto | any owrk items needing team discussion today? | 21:13 |
| adrian_otto | s/owrk/work/ | 21:13 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+solum,n,z Solum Review Queue | 21:13 |
| adrian_otto | looks nice and short | 21:14 |
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| muralia | :) | 21:14 |
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| adrian_otto | looks like https://review.openstack.org/182039 has been there a while | 21:14 |
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| adrian_otto | that one is "Refactor plan creation out of app-create | 21:15 |
| datsun180b | oh it's no big deal | 21:15 |
| datsun180b | truth be told i'm working to make that patch obselete with some CLI changes pertinent to the app resource even now | 21:15 |
| datsun180b | merge it, abandon it, either way my toes are tapping | 21:15 |
| muralia | should we abandon it then? | 21:16 |
| datsun180b | why not? hasn't had any eyeballs on it in a few weeks | 21:16 |
| datsun180b | i'll take care of it | 21:16 |
| muralia | cool | 21:16 |
| datsun180b | done | 21:16 |
| adrian_otto | I voted to merge it | 21:16 |
| datsun180b | i know, and so did the robots | 21:16 |
| adrian_otto | but if that's overtaken by events, ok. | 21:17 |
| adrian_otto | so did I forget to do a release | 21:17 |
| datsun180b | i don't want it chewing on my brain any longer. it had plenty of time to be reviewed | 21:17 |
| devkulkarni | all the main outstanding patches are now merged | 21:18 |
| devkulkarni | so we are good to cut a release imo | 21:18 |
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| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to cut 2015.1.0 release of Solum | 21:19 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 21:19 |
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| adrian_otto | any topics to cover here? | 21:20 |
| adrian_otto | nice. Easy meeting today | 21:21 |
| datsun180b | guess we can call it | 21:21 |
| adrian_otto | everyone agree to wrap up for today? | 21:21 |
| devkulkarni | sounds good to me | 21:21 |
| muralia | yup | 21:21 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, I will be away next week | 21:22 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: would you be willing to chair while I'm out? | 21:22 |
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| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: sure | 21:23 |
| adrian_otto | I'll be back to work again on Wed. | 21:23 |
| adrian_otto | #agreed devkulkarni will chair on 2015-06-09 | 21:23 |
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| adrian_otto | Thanks everyone for attending today. Our next meeting will be on Tuesday 2015-06-09 at 2100 UTC. | 21:23 |
| adrian_otto | take care | 21:23 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 21:23 |
| devkulkarni | thanks adrian_otto | 21:23 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 2 21:23:50 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-06-02-21.03.html | 21:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-06-02-21.03.txt | 21:23 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-06-02-21.03.log.html | 21:23 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting containers | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 2 22:00:42 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: containers)" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 22:00 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2015-06-02_2200_UTC Our Agenda | 22:00 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 22:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: containers)" | 22:01 | |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 22:01 |
| apmelton | Andrew Melton | 22:01 |
| rpothier | Rob Pothier | 22:01 |
| juggler | Perry Rivera | 22:01 |
| yuanying-alt | OTSUKA, Motohiro | 22:01 |
| Tango|2 | Ton Ngo | 22:01 |
| fawadkhaliq | Fawad Khaliq | 22:01 |
| bich_le_ | Bich Le | 22:01 |
| hongbin | o/ | 22:01 |
| eghobo | Egor Guz | 22:01 |
| tcammann_ | Tom Cammann | 22:01 |
| mfalatic | o/ | 22:01 |
| dane_leblanc | Dane LeBlanc | 22:01 |
| thomasem | Thomas MAddox | 22:01 |
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| madhuri_ | Madhuri Kumari | 22:01 |
| apuimedo | Antoni Segura | 22:01 |
| mfalatic | Martin Falatic | 22:01 |
| adrian_otto | hello apmelton rpothier juggler yuanying-alt Tango|2 fawadkhaliq bich_le_ hongbin eghobo tcammann mfalatic dane_leblanc thomasem madhuri_ apuimedo mfalatic | 22:02 |
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| adrian_otto | I think that sets the record for the longest hello reply | 22:02 |
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| fawadkhaliq | adrian_otto: :) | 22:02 |
| juggler | ! | 22:02 |
| jay-lau-513 | o/ | 22:02 |
| bich_le_ | Hello | 22:02 |
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| adrian_otto | hello jay-lau-513 | 22:03 |
| brendenblanco | Brenden Blanco | 22:03 |
| jay-lau-513 | adrian_otto hi | 22:03 |
| tobe | Hi all | 22:03 |
| adrian_otto | hi brendenblanco | 22:03 |
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| adrian_otto | hi tobe | 22:04 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 22:04 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: containers)" | 22:04 | |
| adrian_otto | 1) I will be on a vacation day next week (camping, limited email probably) | 22:04 |
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| adrian_otto | so I will be seeking an alternate chair for next week at 1600 UTC | 22:05 |
| adrian_otto | please PRIVMSG me for that, and we'll mark the agenda with the name of the pro-tem chair | 22:05 |
| adrian_otto | 2) We now have a log-hanging-fruit tag referenced on our contributing page | 22:06 |
| adrian_otto | #topic https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Magnum/Contributing Contributing to Magnum | 22:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Magnum/Contributing Contributing to Magnum (Meeting topic: containers)" | 22:06 | |
| apuimedo | cool | 22:06 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/magnum/+bugs?field.tag=low-hanging-fruit Low Hanging Fruit | 22:06 |
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| adrian_otto | so if you are a new contributor, check that | 22:06 |
| tobe | Have a great time adrian_otto :) | 22:06 |
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| adrian_otto | I'll do my best to try to keep that fed | 22:06 |
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| adrian_otto | thanks tobe | 22:06 |
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| adrian_otto | also, I linked the "7 Habits" talk form the summit on the Contributing page | 22:07 |
| adrian_otto | so if you missed that, I suggest you check that out. | 22:07 |
| juggler | ^^very informative | 22:07 |
| rbradfor | o/ | 22:07 |
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| suro-patz | o/ | 22:07 |
| adrian_otto | that concludes our prepared announcement. Other announcements from team members today? | 22:08 |
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| adrian_otto | remember that milestone 11 is set for June 25 | 22:08 |
| juggler | survey announcement returns were low...abt 3 respondents. would you like to hear feedback so far? | 22:08 |
| adrian_otto | juggler: let's revisit that in Open Discussion | 22:08 |
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| adrian_otto | you will be first up | 22:08 |
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| tobe | Thanks adrian_otto | 22:09 |
| juggler | np! | 22:09 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 22:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: containers)" | 22:09 | |
| adrian_otto | (none) | 22:09 |
| hongbin | I have one | 22:09 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/mesos-bay-type | 22:09 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Blueprint/Task Review | 22:09 |
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| adrian_otto | hongbin, proceed. | 22:09 |
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| hongbin | There are two questions | 22:10 |
| hongbin | 1. Which OS for hosting mesos | 22:10 |
| hongbin | 2. Which Marathon object to manage | 22:10 |
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| adrian_otto | what is normally used, or does it express any preference at all? | 22:10 |
| hongbin | For #1, there are several choice Ubuntu, CentOS, CoreOS | 22:11 |
| eghobo | hogepodge: we use Ubuntu and Centos | 22:11 |
| eghobo | I don't hink build for CoreOS exists | 22:11 |
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| adrian_otto | I don't think CoreOS makes sense, unless it's actually a container image that gets run | 22:12 |
| jay-lau-513 | hongbin Ubuntu and CentOS mighe be better | 22:12 |
| tobe | We prefer CentOS for production, and Ubuntu for development | 22:12 |
| eghobo | it was discussion in mail list but I don't remember any actions from it | 22:12 |
| jay-lau-513 | the mesosphere also have some examples about that | 22:12 |
| hongbin | CoreOS works by using container image for mesos | 22:12 |
| adrian_otto | that approach should work for all three then | 22:12 |
| eghobo | really, we would like run Mesos in container? | 22:13 |
| adrian_otto | and would be consistent with how we deploy Swarm bays | 22:13 |
| adrian_otto | the Mesos container would have access to the Docker daemon on the host | 22:13 |
| adrian_otto | so containers would not necessarily need to be nested | 22:13 |
| hongbin | That is true | 22:14 |
| eghobo | i think mesos need to be installed the same way as kub | 22:14 |
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| jay-lau-513 | adrian_otto The problem is that we need to hardcode the docker server host to heat template | 22:14 |
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| adrian_otto | may I please see by raise of hands (o/) who is running Mesos today? | 22:14 |
| apuimedo | so we'd pass the docker socket to the mesos container? | 22:14 |
| jay-lau-513 | +1 | 22:14 |
| adrian_otto | let's at least get all the input from those users and make something initially that works for them | 22:15 |
| jay-lau-513 | o/ | 22:15 |
| adrian_otto | and we can iterate on that | 22:15 |
| eghobo | o/ | 22:15 |
| hongbin | o/ | 22:15 |
| amit213 | o/ (not in production. only in lab) | 22:15 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so jay-lau-513 eghobo and hongbin and amit213 can the three of you discuss this in #openstack-containers when we adjourn and decide on what our bay templates should do to begin with | 22:16 |
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| adrian_otto | we can have alternate templates in our contrib directory | 22:16 |
| adrian_otto | so maybe you pick a CentOS or Ubuntu one first, and then add others in contrib | 22:16 |
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| adrian_otto | and allow operators to give us feedback on which should be the default | 22:16 |
| adrian_otto | fair? | 22:17 |
| madhuri_ | +1 | 22:17 |
| jay-lau-513 | +1 | 22:17 |
| hongbin | sure | 22:17 |
| eghobo | yep, we don't use atomic for example because luck of tools | 22:17 |
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| amit213 | +1 | 22:17 |
| adrian_otto | ok, cool, so hungbin, on to question #2 | 22:17 |
| tobe | +1 | 22:18 |
| hongbin | There are two options for #2 | 22:18 |
| adrian_otto | "Which marathon object to manage" | 22:18 |
| hongbin | 1. Import Marathon App to Magnum | 22:18 |
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| jay-lau-513 | hongbin I see your option in ML, sorry that I forget to reply | 22:18 |
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| hongbin | 2. Implement Magnum container by using Marathon app | 22:18 |
| hongbin | jay-lau-513: NP | 22:19 |
| eghobo | hungbin: could you elaborate what do you mean Marathon object? | 22:19 |
| hongbin | Marathon app is like a container | 22:19 |
| hongbin | but with more features | 22:19 |
| hongbin | such as scheduing contratnt, the number of replicas | 22:19 |
| hongbin | scheduling contraint | 22:19 |
| eghobo | not sure I understand Marathon is framework with web ui | 22:19 |
| adrian_otto | eghobo: kubernetes has pods. Mesos has other objects that we may or may not want to model in Magnum | 22:20 |
| apmelton | hongbin: could it be implemented as a container like the swarm conductor uses | 22:20 |
| apmelton | just with extra, mesos only, params? | 22:20 |
| hongbin | eghobo: yes, it has Rest API and UI | 22:20 |
| eghobo | adrian_otto: mesos has only application | 22:20 |
| jay-lau-513 | hongbin the pre-condition is that you may want to install Marathon first if want to use its ap | 22:20 |
| jay-lau-513 | hongbin ap/api | 22:21 |
| adrian_otto | eghobo: ok, got it. (I do not pretent to be a Mesos expert) | 22:21 |
| hongbin | apmelton: That would be possible. | 22:21 |
| apmelton | I know we're trying to expose scheduling for swarm as well | 22:21 |
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| apmelton | perhaps you can work with diga to abstract it enough that it works for both | 22:21 |
| eghobo | I think we can start app through Marathon the same way as Kub | 22:22 |
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| hongbin | jay-lau-513: Yes, we install Marathon first | 22:22 |
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| adrian_otto | maybe the right approach here is to have a bay template for Mesos+Marathon, and alternate templates in contrib, and don't add any new resource types in Magnum at all for Mesos | 22:23 |
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| tobe | I'm sorry. Have we decided to just support Marathon? | 22:23 |
| adrian_otto | tobe: no, there are just multiple choices | 22:23 |
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| adrian_otto | we will have docs that show how to specify an alternate template | 22:23 |
| eghobo | adrian_otto: +1 for Marathon | 22:23 |
| tobe | Yes, that's what I mean | 22:24 |
| hongbin | tobe: We decide let magnum talk to marathon | 22:24 |
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| adrian_otto | so you can get different arrangements of Mesos | 22:24 |
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| hongbin | adrian_otto: OK | 22:24 |
| jay-lau-513 | adrian_otto Come to my origianl questions: how to enable end user use this bay via magnum API? | 22:24 |
| apmelton | jay-lau-513: I think we'd prefer users to use native clients | 22:25 |
| adrian_otto | jay-lau-513: I'm suggesting that to begin with, as a first iteration we only support magnum baymodel-create and magnum bay-create for mesos bay types | 22:25 |
| adrian_otto | and then use native clients past that point | 22:25 |
| jay-lau-513 | adrian_otto aplelton fair enough | 22:25 |
| apuimedo | sounds good | 22:25 |
| tobe | Marathon is most used to schedule container upon mesos. It's reasonable to support it. | 22:25 |
| jay-lau-513 | ok, i see. thanks | 22:25 |
| adrian_otto | and as the use cases become clear to us, then follow up on that to add additional Mesos resources as needed (application, whatever) | 22:26 |
| hongbin | ok | 22:26 |
| tobe | But there're some others framework can scheduler containers upon mesos. We should be extensible for them | 22:26 |
| adrian_otto | and base that on input we get from those using the Mesos bays | 22:26 |
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| adrian_otto | tobe, yes that it our intent | 22:26 |
| adrian_otto | s/it/is/ | 22:26 |
| adrian_otto | hongbin, was that the input you were hoping for? | 22:27 |
| hongbin | yes | 22:27 |
| yuanying-alt | Currently we don't have usecase for mesos bay type. right? | 22:27 |
| adrian_otto | we have not documented that in the Magnum spec yet | 22:27 |
| adrian_otto | yuanying-alt: we should discuss adding that in a way we can all agree on | 22:28 |
| apmelton | we have people running mesos and they want to have magnum magnum the clusters, that sounds like a use case | 22:28 |
| apmelton | to me at least | 22:28 |
| apmelton | magnu manage the clusters* | 22:28 |
| adrian_otto | yes, magnum would be handy for scaling out the bays that run the mesos clusters | 22:28 |
| eghobo | apmelton: we have similar use case - playground for dev teams | 22:29 |
| apmelton | this might be getting a bit off topic, but have we discussed mechanisms to actually gather metrics on the hosts to use for scaling? | 22:29 |
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| adrian_otto | apmelton: no, that's not something we have spent much time exploring yet | 22:30 |
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| apmelton | alright, I was just wondering | 22:31 |
| adrian_otto | we did talk about using a scaling group so a bay scale up/down would have a webhook for each | 22:31 |
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| adrian_otto | so we could have any external control system call those webhooks | 22:31 |
| adrian_otto | but the metrics will be unique to each type of bay | 22:31 |
| apmelton | would they though? | 22:32 |
| adrian_otto | total sum of -m values is one obvious one | 22:32 |
| apmelton | at this point, the underlying thing spawning the containers is docker | 22:32 |
| adrian_otto | well, with k8s and swarm, yes | 22:32 |
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| adrian_otto | It might make sense to contribute a spec for that | 22:33 |
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| eghobo | with mesos you can go with just cgroups | 22:33 |
| adrian_otto | so we could collaborate on the plan a bit | 22:33 |
| apmelton | adrian_otto: agreed there, there's going to be lots of options | 22:33 |
| adrian_otto | ideally to break down the approach into achievable steps toward the autoscaling bay we want | 22:34 |
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| adrian_otto | it would be awesome if I could demo an autoscaling bay (by sum of -m values) in Tokyo | 22:34 |
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| adrian_otto | so that once I fall below a threshold of available memory in the bay, that the scale up webhook is called | 22:35 |
| juggler | how far off is Tokyo? | 22:35 |
| apmelton | late october | 22:35 |
| adrian_otto | 6 months. Last week of October. | 22:35 |
| tobe | K8s doesn't support autoscalling, right? | 22:36 |
| juggler | ah | 22:36 |
| apmelton | tobe: I'm not sure anything support auto scaling of the underlying infrastructure at this point | 22:36 |
| apmelton | that's kinda one of the big adds for magnum | 22:37 |
| eghobo | you can add/remove resources to kub cluster and it should handle it | 22:37 |
| adrian_otto | right, apmelton | 22:37 |
| hongbin | k8s plan to support autoscaling pod | 22:37 |
| hongbin | #link https://github.com/GoogleCloudPlatform/kubernetes/blob/master/docs/proposals/autoscaling.md | 22:37 |
| tobe | If the underlying has implemented, we can re-use its api | 22:38 |
| tobe | Thanks hongbin | 22:38 |
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| adrian_otto | lets take that for homework, and get our autoscaling bay blueprint updated | 22:38 |
| adrian_otto | I wanted to touch on one of our ML threads: | 22:38 |
| adrian_otto | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/065261.html | 22:39 |
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| tobe | And magnum has the unified interfaces for all these frameworks | 22:39 |
| adrian_otto | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/065261.html Does Bay/Baymodel name should be a required option when creating a Bay/Baymodel | 22:39 |
| madhuri_ | I feel name should not be a required parameter | 22:40 |
| adrian_otto | perhaps we can explore that question a bit here | 22:40 |
| jay-lau-513 | Thaknks adrian_otto | 22:40 |
| eghobo | +1 for required | 22:40 |
| adrian_otto | both madhuri_ and I were opposed to requiring names | 22:40 |
| adrian_otto | the argument for names is so human usability goes up | 22:40 |
| apmelton | adrian_otto: what's the alternative? | 22:40 |
| jay-lau-513 | name is more readable than UUID | 22:40 |
| madhuri_ | It makes bay-create for hard | 22:40 |
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| adrian_otto | implementation of this would essentially require magnum to raise an exception if you attempt a magnum baymodel-create or magnum bay-create with no name assigned | 22:41 |
| madhuri_ | So it depends on user if he doesn't pass name | 22:41 |
| madhuri_ | He will have to use uuid | 22:41 |
| adrian_otto | a required name with a unique requirement is just a user supplied uuid | 22:41 |
| jay-lau-513 | but then when he want to operate a bay, he need first retrive the uuid first | 22:42 |
| eghobo | bay create need to be hard ;) because you are building cluster which potentially will stay for long time | 22:42 |
| jay-lau-513 | this will bring trouble and time consuming | 22:42 |
| apmelton | I think we should go with the nova model, where names aren't unique, and if there are more than one, we require the use of a uuid | 22:42 |
| jay-lau-513 | take nova as example, I prefer to use name to delete VM but not uuid as I do not want to retrieve UUID every time | 22:43 |
| adrian_otto | jay-lau-513: you get the uuid in the response to the bay-create | 22:43 |
| juggler | would having uuid being a default be troublesome? that is, it's used explicitly unless a uuid is specified? | 22:43 |
| jay-lau-513 | and I cannot remenmber it | 22:43 |
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| juggler | explicitly/implicitly uh :) | 22:43 |
| madhuri_ | apmelton: In case of multiple bays with same name, user will have to use uuid | 22:43 |
| adrian_otto | if you create a docker container and do not specify a name, one is generated for you | 22:43 |
| eghobo | apmelton: I think we should consider unique name per tenant | 22:43 |
| adrian_otto | but names are not required | 22:43 |
| jay-lau-513 | adrian_otto yes, but I may not able to remember it ;-( | 22:43 |
| adrian_otto | however names are enforced to be unique by docker | 22:43 |
| eghobo | but docker will generate them ;) | 22:44 |
| madhuri_ | That will also be the similar case as not passing name while creating bay | 22:44 |
| jay-lau-513 | madhuri_ right, need uuid for such case | 22:44 |
| adrian_otto | so maybe we should have Magnum follow that same pattern | 22:44 |
| adrian_otto | auto-generated names if the client does not supply one | 22:44 |
| Tango|2 | I think fewer mandatory things is more user friendly. | 22:44 |
| adrian_otto | for BayModel and Bay resources | 22:44 |
| Tango|2 | User can always provide name | 22:44 |
| madhuri_ | + Tango|2 | 22:44 |
| adrian_otto | but error on Name duplicates | 22:44 |
| tobe | +1 for Tango|2 | 22:45 |
| jay-lau-513 | adrian_otto the auto generated names is similar with UUID, difficult to remember | 22:45 |
| juggler | or maybe a prefixed name, e.g. start with something the user can then patternsearch for? | 22:45 |
| eghobo | adrian_otto: do you mean docker or nova pattern? | 22:45 |
| juggler | e.g. foo_38bc | 22:45 |
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| madhuri_ | adrian_otto: I am not sure whether this would be a good idea or not. Can we allow users to update name in magnum? | 22:46 |
| suro-patz | things that are often created/destroyed should not mandate name, e.g. docker - but for things which are supposed to live longer, we should better have name mandatory - viz.bay/baymodel | 22:46 |
| madhuri_ | So that user can update name at later time also | 22:46 |
| adrian_otto | eghobo: docker pattern, but similar to nova | 22:47 |
| jay-lau-513 | madhuri_ imho, the name should not be updated | 22:47 |
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| adrian_otto | madhuri_: sure, they can do a bay update replace name=whatever | 22:47 |
| adrian_otto | what? | 22:47 |
| adrian_otto | jay-lau-513: why? | 22:47 |
| madhuri_ | So we have the option then | 22:47 |
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| madhuri_ | If user doesn't pas name, later he can update it | 22:47 |
| madhuri_ | if he doesn't want to use uuid | 22:47 |
| jay-lau-513 | adrian_otto Does there are any use cases that the name need to be updated? | 22:48 |
| madhuri_ | I found one now jay-lau-513 | 22:48 |
| adrian_otto | what if I name it something stupid by mistake | 22:48 |
| adrian_otto | and I have production stuff in that bay that I don't want to kill | 22:48 |
| madhuri_ | Add a name later when not given at bay-create | 22:48 |
| jay-lau-513 | adrian_otto I see | 22:48 |
| adrian_otto | I might use bay update to fix that | 22:48 |
| tobe | Now I'm confused about using uuid and name or just unrepeatable name? | 22:49 |
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| suro-patz | this sounds more like a use-case for "description" than name | 22:49 |
| Tango|2 | We should go back and understand the intended use of the name. Is it for display purpose, or id purpose? | 22:49 |
| madhuri_ | tobe: Name need not to be unique | 22:49 |
| adrian_otto | tobe: I'm suggesting that if the user does not supply a name, we generate a human readable name, and that we enforce names to be unique | 22:49 |
| hongbin | +1 | 22:50 |
| adrian_otto | the rationale there is if you have the same name for multiple bays, you still have to fall back to using uuids to address them anyway | 22:50 |
| apmelton | adrian_otto: I don't think that's a good idea | 22:50 |
| apmelton | the uniqueness on name | 22:50 |
| adrian_otto | apmelton: ok, why? | 22:50 |
| adrian_otto | if you assign a name to a bay SUPER_BAY | 22:50 |
| tobe | adrian_otto: Just like how docker works, right? +1 for this | 22:50 |
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| brendenblanco | IMHO, if a name is a unique property, then it should not also be mutable...use an optional description field instead | 22:51 |
| adrian_otto | and then you go to act on SUPER_BAY and you get an exception because there are two named that | 22:51 |
| adrian_otto | that's worse than just using UUID to act on them to begin with | 22:51 |
| eghobo | adrian_otto: +1 | 22:51 |
| adrian_otto | tobe: yes, that it how donker works. | 22:51 |
| apmelton | lets say at some point we implement sharing of a bay between tenants | 22:51 |
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| madhuri_ | I don't agree on this | 22:51 |
| apmelton | so you go to share your TEST_BAY with a tenant, and they already have one named that | 22:51 |
| adrian_otto | apmelton: I need to think on that | 22:52 |
| madhuri_ | When we already have uuid as unique property, then why do we want to make name also a unique property? | 22:52 |
| adrian_otto | we are approaching our end time, and I want to get to Open Discussion | 22:52 |
| juggler | adrian_otto: +1 uniqueness. I think people who use docker will find it intuitive to use | 22:52 |
| adrian_otto | let's keep the discussion open on the ML | 22:52 |
| apmelton | so before we're done with blueprints | 22:52 |
| apmelton | I need to push this out to l-2 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/async-container-operations | 22:52 |
| jay-lau-513 | apmelton +1, different tenant can have same name bays | 22:52 |
| adrian_otto | and seek consensus there after we have thought through these other use cases | 22:53 |
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| apmelton | I'm hoping that I can finish up whats blocking me from magnum stuff by the end of next week so I can pick this up ASAP https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/secure-docker | 22:53 |
| adrian_otto | we will defer other work item discussion to our next meeting, or in #openstack-containers | 22:53 |
| adrian_otto | apmelton: anything magnum team members can do to help you? | 22:54 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 22:54 |
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| adrian_otto | juggler: tell us about the survey | 22:54 |
| apmelton | adrian_otto: when I get some time, I'll break async-container-ops into some pieces people can pick up | 22:54 |
| juggler | initial survey results here: http://paste.openstack.org/show/257490/ | 22:54 |
| adrian_otto | apmelton: sounds great, tx! | 22:54 |
| juggler | rolled-up | 22:55 |
| adrian_otto | juggler: maybe we should feature the survey on our project wiki page? | 22:55 |
| adrian_otto | too few respondents to put weight on the results. | 22:56 |
| juggler | +1 | 22:56 |
| juggler | I'll try to figure placement on the page | 22:56 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, good discussion. Let's keep advancing on each of these tough issues. | 22:57 |
| adrian_otto | we have 3 minutes remaining. | 22:57 |
| adrian_otto | any other topics that might fit? | 22:57 |
| adrian_otto | Our next team meeting will be on 2015-06-09 at 1600 UTC, chair TBD. | 22:58 |
| adrian_otto | thanks everyone for attending today!! | 22:58 |
| thomasem | Cheers! | 22:58 |
| jay-lau-513 | thx | 22:58 |
| apmelton | have a good evening/morning/day everyone! | 22:58 |
| juggler | bug 1451678..running into a snag during git review. let me know if you have a few mins to help. thanks! | 22:58 |
| openstack | bug 1451678 in Magnum trunk "Add link to dev-manual-devstack.rst into document dev-quickstart.rst" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1451678 - Assigned to P Rivera (juggler) | 22:58 |
| juggler | thanks all | 22:59 |
| bich_le_ | Thanks, see you next time. | 22:59 |
| madhuri_ | Thanks all | 22:59 |
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| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 22:59 |
| apuimedo | tahnks ;-) | 22:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 2 22:59:25 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-06-02-22.00.html | 22:59 |
| brendenblanco | bye all | 22:59 |
| fawadkhaliq | bye! | 22:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-06-02-22.00.txt | 22:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-06-02-22.00.log.html | 22:59 |
| eghobo | bye all | 22:59 |
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| tobe | Thanks adrian_otto and all :) | 23:00 |
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| eghobo | hongbin: what's you email I can forward you discussion about Mesos in container at CoreOS | 23:01 |
| adrian_otto | eghobo: you'll want to catch him in #openstack-containers | 23:02 |
| hongbin | eghobo: yes | 23:02 |
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| eghobo | adrian_otto: sorry, I thought I already switched channel ;) | 23:02 |
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