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bswartz#startmeeting manila15:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jun  4 15:00:37 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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cknightHi15:00
bswartzhello all15:00
zhongjun2hi15:00
ganso_hello15:00
rrajahi15:00
xyanghi15:00
lpabonhi all15:00
vponomaryovhello15:00
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bswartz#agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings15:01
bswartzokay I'm pretty behind this week15:01
bswartzas some of you know my daughter was born on Monday15:01
bswartzthere's a few urgent topics though and then I'll turn the meeting over to open discussion15:02
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xyang1Congrats!15:02
bswartzxyang1: thank you15:02
bswartz#topic Manila Midcycle Meetup15:02
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bswartzso as promised I started an ML thread about the midcycle date options15:03
bswartzI've only heard back from a few people, but so far neither week is ideal for everyone15:03
vponomaryovI am ok with either of proposed15:04
ganso_either for me is fine15:04
u_glide2+115:04
cFoutso/15:05
bswartzis there anyone who wants to travel, who can only make one of those weeks (other than xyang)?15:05
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bswartzor anyone who can participate but only on one of those weeks?15:05
marksturI could only travel one of the weeks.15:05
bswartzmarkstur I know about your vacation dates -- any chance you would travel the other week>15:06
marksturBut I can't verify that I'll get approval until after the date is set15:06
bswartzyeah I know about travel budget issues, believe me15:06
lpabonbswartz: i am not sure if I will be going, but if I do, most likely it will be on July 20th15:06
marksturI was told "likely" for August.  I haven't heard if we spent all our July money in Vancouver.  I still think travel is "likely".15:06
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lpaboni'm checking with csaba and rraja to see if they are going.  We will let you know15:07
bswartzokay cool15:07
bswartzI will wait a few more days for responses to the ML thread15:07
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bswartzyou can mail me directly instead of responding to the thread if you like15:07
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bswartzbut I will set a date before the next meeting, so let me know today or tomorrow about your preferences15:08
bswartzokay next topic15:09
bswartz#topic 3rd party vendor CI15:09
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bswartz#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-driver-maintainers15:09
bswartzthanks to those who filled this out15:09
bswartzsome are still missing info15:09
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bswartzI'm guessing they just didn't come to the weekly meeting15:10
bswartzI'll go ping people starting tomorrow for the missing entries15:10
bswartzdriver maintainers should be paying attention to these meetings though...15:11
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bswartz#topic open discussion15:11
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bswartzokay those were the 2 most pressing issues15:12
marksturwas migration on the topic list today?15:12
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ganso_we can discuss it15:12
bswartzwe have some technical discussions going on in the background15:12
bswartzyeah migration is one15:12
bswartzI'll offer my thoughts15:12
bswartzthere are a few ways forward on the migration-changing-the-share-ID issue15:13
bswartzread ganso's ML thread if you're not familair with them15:13
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bswartzone thing I think will help decide that issue is if we can figure out how the various options will affect share replication15:13
bswartzthe current proposal for share replication is to use a single row and a single share ID for all copies of a given share15:14
bswartzmigration basically requires 2 IDs (at least temporarily) so if we can update the replication proposal with new options it might help us decide15:15
bswartzthat will help me decide at least -- I haven't been thinking about replication these last few days...15:15
bswartzthe other related issue is availability zones15:16
bswartzwhich I brought up last week15:17
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ganso_bswartz: by what you mentioned about replication approach, is it including a list of all other replicated share IDs in a field in the single row entry?15:17
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bswartzI'm now pretty confident that AZs are the right abstraction to allow end users to request data locality between their shares and their nova instances15:17
bswartzbut if we support AZs than that will affect both replication and migration15:18
bswartzbecause there is a use case to "change AZ" on a share which would be a migration by default15:18
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bswartzso these 3 feature proposals are all tangled up now15:18
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cknightganso_: No, the original replication proposal had only a single ID for a share, regardless of its number of replicas.15:19
bswartzganso_: yes what cknight said15:19
bswartzwe could update the proposal -- no code has been written for that feature yet15:19
ganso_cknight: how are you tracking the replicas?15:19
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cknightganso_: That's up to the driver based on its conf file input.15:20
cknightganso_: We wanted to be minimally prescriptive to allow more flexibility for drivers.15:20
ganso_cknight: so I can assume the driver may make use of Private Driver Storage for that, right?15:20
cknightganso_: Yes, definitely.15:20
bswartzyes -- the apparent advantage to the single ID proposal is that it's maximally flexible for backends, and should minimize the set of implementations that can't meet the replication API's contract15:21
bswartzhowever flexibility has its own drawbacks too, which I why I'm willing to reconsider15:21
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bswartzI just haven't made any progress with my thinking15:22
bswartzhopefully next week will be better15:22
bswartzanyone else have thoughts on that stuff?15:22
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bswartzor any other topics for today?15:23
ganso_I see two categories here. We have been discussing about trying to do all we can in the Core code to minimize driver code effort, but as far as I understood, replication is taking a different approach15:23
u_glide2bswartz: I need your approve on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187953/ (manila-image-elements project)15:23
bswartzganso_: that's true15:23
ganso_so if the driver does not implement how to track the IDs, and how to manage its own replication, then replication is not working for that backend at all15:23
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ganso_That's a bit similar to Proposal 1 from my email.15:24
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marksturu_glide2, Won't you need a pypi project for manila-image-elements?15:24
bswartzganso_: replication is intended to be completely optional -- driver can support it or not15:24
bswartzmigration is supported for all backends whether they implement it or not (at least that's what you've proposed) which means we need to have a universal fallback15:25
u_glide2markstur: I need to, but its not required on current step15:25
vponomaryovmarkstur: yes, we need it15:25
ganso_bswartz: you are right15:25
ganso_bswartz: I understand now the direction we should follow15:26
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ganso_bswartz: may we scratch Proposal 1 off the list then?15:26
bswartzthe question is whether it's advantageous to the backends that do wish to implement replication if we let them store multiple share "instances" in the DB15:26
ganso_bswartz: it can be a guideline for them15:27
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bswartzganso_: I think proposal 1 is still attractive for some reasons15:27
bswartzcknight likes it best (I think) because it's the smallest possible change15:27
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vponomaryov))15:28
cknightbswartz: +115:28
xyangganso_: have you looked at cinder's internal tenant proposal?15:28
bswartzxyang: I believe we will end up needing something similar regardless of what proposal we go with15:28
ganso_xyang: not yet15:28
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bswartzwe will need to use some mechanism to prevent end users from seeing 2 shares while a migration is in progress, yet the admin does need to see both shares in case the migration fails and needs fixing15:30
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vponomaryovbswartz: in case of "proposal 3" admin will be able to track all instances15:31
ganso_bswartz: if it needs fixing from admin side then the error state cleanup is not properly implemented15:31
vponomaryovbswartz: but he can not track it using proposal 115:31
ganso_vponomaryov: +115:31
bswartzI disagree15:31
bswartzwell perhaps my idea of proposal 1 is slightly different15:32
bswartzmy idea of proposal 1 is:15:32
bswartzwe create a new share with a new ID as the migration destination15:32
bswartzthat share is owned by an "internal" tenant to hide it while the migration is in progress15:32
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ganso_vponomaryov: good point, but there are other mechanisms for that still. Proposal 1 is the one that complements the current prototype with the smallest changes, we would need only to filter out the temporary share in a way that only the admin sees, but not the user15:33
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bswartzwhen the migration completes, the old share is deleted, and the new share15:33
bswartzthe new share's ID is changed to match the old one15:33
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bswartzbackends may have to use driver private share data to perform the ID-change operation because many drivers are unable to actually rename their underlying share object15:34
vponomaryovbswartz: ok, but 1 still does not satisfy future "replication". replication requires separation of "representation" of a share and its "instances"15:34
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vponomaryovbswartz: proposal 3 does satisfy it15:34
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ganso_bswartz: there is more than one way to achieve that last step, in my prototype, I never delete the original DB row. In your idea, you delete it, and change the ID, I did not it was possible to change a UUID in sql alchemy15:34
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vponomaryovbswartz: and satisfies "migration" too15:35
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bswartzI believe it's possible to do 1 and make replication work, since the driver is free to store whatever it needs in driver private share data15:35
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bswartzhowever I'm not certain it's preferrable15:35
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ganso_the way I see it, if we implement proposal 3, then drivers can use it, but they also can use proposal 1 if they want15:36
ganso_because Private Driver Storage is there15:36
vponomaryovganso_: +115:36
ganso_not sure if this is redundant15:37
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ganso_like, wasted effort15:37
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bswartzganso_: what you say is true, but I would want to do a design and see if it actually helps or not15:37
vponomaryovhelps what? only migration? or also AZs and replication?15:38
bswartzbecause the downside to 3 is that it's a major change which introduces complexity to the project for possibly very little gain15:38
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bswartzvponomaryov: helps with implementing migration for one or more backends15:38
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ganso_is proposal 2 helpful for replication or AZ at all?15:39
bswartzAZs are not affected by the instances/multiple IDs15:39
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bswartzI'll see if I can compose a response on the ML which summarizes my thoughts15:40
bswartzcknight: I know you have a point of view on this, perhaps you can respond on the ML too15:41
cknightbswartz: ok15:41
bswartzI'm really happy that we're thinking about all of these issues now during the first milestone15:42
bswartzI'm optimistic we will find a good solution and have time to implement all of the proposed features during liberty15:42
vponomaryovbswartz: in interface, but implementation in drivers?15:43
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bswartzvponomaryov: in some drivers15:43
bswartzfor replication I'm still looking for a volunteer to implement it in the generic driver15:43
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bswartzbut we may need to get the design farther along before someone can actually start that15:44
u_glide2we also should schedule API migration to micro-versions framework15:44
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cknightu_glide2: +115:44
vponomaryovu_glide2: +115:44
cknightu_glide2: I've been waiting for the API WG guidelines on microversions.  I'll ping them about that.15:45
cknightu_glide2: They promised to do that at the summit.15:45
u_glide2it's big chunk of work, which will affect all user-facing features15:45
bswartzmigration doesn't NEED any implementations15:45
u_glide2cknight: sounds good15:45
bswartzalthough having 1 is implrtant for tesiing the optimized case15:45
ganso_bswartz: in fact, if you take a look at the prototype and the proposal, some method implementation is currently required from drivers, like the network path and mount command. Maybe we can improve on that, I do not know how yet15:46
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bswartzganso_: I haven't looked yet15:47
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bswartzganso_: what about the data copy servive?15:48
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ganso_bswartz: it will help15:48
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ganso_bswartz: I need to give it more thought15:49
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ganso_bswartz: I am not sure if drivers will still have to provide the network path and mount command to the data copy service or we can include it in it somehow15:50
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bswartzI'll want to know more about that15:52
bswartzI just haven't had time to look15:52
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bswartzhopefully I'll be doing more code reviews when I get home from the hospital15:53
bswartzokay if that's all I think we're done for today15:53
rrajabswartz: a related question of sorts. is there already a list available of APIs a driver must support to be included in Liberty?  this question was raised in the openstack-manila channel as well.15:53
ganso_bswartz: what was the other pressing issue?15:54
ganso_rraja: I am compiling this list15:54
rrajaganso_: thanks!15:54
bswartzrraja: it's smething we need15:54
bswartzthe developer docs should make this clear15:54
vponomaryovalso, we need to decide what to do with drivers that already exist but do not satisfy all required features criteria?15:54
ganso_rraja: on monday I will post a preliminary list based on etherpad and everyone will be able to collaborate before we move it to the wiki15:54
rrajabswartz: it would help us prioritize our BPs for liberty.15:55
bswartzand the functional test suite should validate whether driver actually implement the APis15:55
bswartzganso_ I covered them both -- midcycle meetup date and driver maintainers for CI15:55
bswartzokay I think we're done15:56
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bswartzthanks everyone and sorry I've been mostly AFK15:56
bswartz#endmeeting15:56
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xarses#startmeeting Fuel16:02
openstackMeeting started Thu Jun  4 16:02:07 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is xarses. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:02
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xarses#chair xarses16:02
openstackCurrent chairs: xarses16:02
mattymoxarses, guest host?16:02
xarsesmorning folks16:02
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mwhahahahola16:02
agordeevo/16:02
xarsesmattymo: surprise16:02
mattymoI'm shocked. Also, hi16:02
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alex_didenkohi16:02
maximovhi Andrew16:02
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xarsesso lets get started then16:03
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xarses#topic HCF status: outstanding issue with fuel-agent (https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1461532) dpyzhov16:03
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1461532 in Fuel for OpenStack "MCollective has not answered after provisioning and starting of granular_deploy" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Vladimir Sharshov (vsharshov)16:03
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xarsesdpyzhov isn't here16:04
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angdraugwarpc__: ^ ?16:04
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xarsesok, lets come back to it.16:04
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warpc__Guys, i am still discovering it https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1461532)16:04
openstackLaunchpad bug 1461532 in Fuel for OpenStack "MCollective has not answered after provisioning and starting of granular_deploy" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Vladimir Sharshov (vsharshov)16:04
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sboghi all16:05
ashtokolovhi16:05
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dpyzhovhi16:05
aglarendilhi16:05
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xarsesok, nvmind.16:05
xarsesdpyzhov: we are talking about https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/146153216:05
xarsesand HCF16:05
angdraugis that the only remaining HCF blocker?16:06
maximovI belive this bug should be fixed before HCF16:06
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maximovas it can break deployment16:06
maximovin some cases16:06
dpyzhovIn python team we have few more open bugs16:06
maximovdo we know the reason ? any ideas16:06
dpyzhovbut I think we can announce HCF without fixes for them16:07
maximovdpyzhov: I agree, looks like this one is the only bug that we should fix before HCF16:07
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warpc__Guys, i need 1 more hour for it. At now moment i have only week idea about id which nailgun-aget got after we ask it node16:09
xarsesOk, so we want to address this prior to HCF, are their any others we have to get to before HCF?16:10
maximovwarpc__: ok, please ask our colleagues from US for help if you feel that you cannot fix it today16:10
warpc__maximov: ok, i will16:10
maximovI don't think we have in fuel16:10
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xarsesangdraug: what about the UCS IBP issue?16:11
xarsesshould we wait for more analysis on that also?16:11
angdraugnot sure it should be HCF blocker16:12
angdrauglink?16:12
xarsesI don't have one =(16:12
rmoethere is a webex scheduled for tomorrow to troubleshoot it16:12
angdraugpretty sure there was an LP bug about it, unless I'm confusing it with something else16:12
rmoeoh, maybe we're talking about 2 different things16:13
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dpyzhovxarses: they are working with old env and we don’t have logs, afaik16:13
rmoethere is some UCS IBP issue that is going to be looked at tomorrow morning16:13
angdraug#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/146112616:13
openstackLaunchpad bug 1461126 in Fuel for OpenStack "IBP: GBUB failed to recognize very large disk 10+TB" [High,Triaged] - Assigned to Aleksandr Gordeev (a-gordeev)16:13
angdraugthat?16:13
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agordeevnope16:13
agordeevthat one was reproduced on our side16:14
angdraugok, rmoe: please make sure there's a bug reported about it16:14
rmoewill do16:14
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angdraugmoving on?16:14
xarses#topic Package-based updates delivery (aglarendil)16:14
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aglarendilso far folks we have set up all the infrastructure and jobs for package-based updates delivery16:15
aglarendilwe are going to switch to stable/6.1 branches after HCF is called and glue everything16:15
aglarendiltogether by the release date16:15
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mihgenaglarendil: sounds cool. How can we double sure that patching flows work and application of patches is ok?16:16
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xarsesso will we also deliver fuel-master (and container) updates this way also?16:16
mihgenI was thinking about the following: why don't we take ISO which is 2 weeks old, and use current repos as updates16:16
mihgenupdate package by package16:16
bookwaraglarendil: do you mean these jobs https://review.fuel-infra.org/#/c/6827/ ?16:16
aglarendilmihgen: we gonna re-review all the code once again16:17
mihgenand see what actions have to be done16:17
aglarendiland do patching acceptance testing during the last week of the release cycle16:17
mihgenjust to see how it is gonna look like, and ensure we don't miss anything important16:17
aglarendilbookwar: yep, these ones16:17
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aglarendilMike, obviously we will do code review for jobs and tests several additional times16:18
aglarendildo not worry16:18
mihgendid we package everything?16:18
mihgenincluding docker containers?16:18
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aglarendilmihgen: yes, and it was discussed two or three weeks ago already16:19
mattymomihgen, ^ yes. fuel-docker-images package16:19
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mihgenJust making sure.16:19
ikalnitskyhonestly, i don't like idea to package docker containers :(16:19
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ikalnitskyit should be done via docker registry16:20
mihgenquestion - how did you verify that all is packaged?16:20
mihgenikalnitsky: we might consider this for later, there were holywars about this…16:20
mattymoikalnitsky, I wanted registry, but to pack and use registry on ISO, it's much slower and consumes more disk space. I really gave it a full effort16:20
mattymoalmost 2x as slow16:21
angdraugjust this morning in osci+linux discussion we recalled the discussion we had about splitting fuel-web packages16:21
ikalnitskymattymo, if we're retrieving packages from some online source, why we can't retrieve docker images from some online source too?16:21
ikalnitskybut ok, let's discuss it later16:21
xarsesmattymo: can we provide public registry along with the packages?16:21
mattymoregistry doesn't transfer data compressed. it'll be 1.2gb download, just fyi16:21
mattymoxarses, yes, but custom isos will be more interesting. final releases are not a big problem16:22
angdraugand now we've combined all our containers into a single package, exact opposite...16:22
xarsesmattymo: hmm, make the startup process get the specific container hash...16:22
mattymoit was a tarball. now it's a tarball in a package16:22
* xarses sighs16:23
mattymoxarses, even more metadata to bundle into iso outside of an RPM. that adds even greater complexity16:23
xarsesyep16:23
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aglarendilfolks, it was a part of discussion several months ago - you should have raised your voices then, not now16:23
mihgenaglarendil: nurla: so how did we verufy that everything is packaged?16:24
angdraugtarball in a package doesn't sound like a full effort16:24
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aglarendilmihgen: Mike, there is a noop test for this16:24
mattymoangdraug, I was referring to implementation of registry local on Fuel Master instead of exported and compressed images16:24
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aglarendilalso, if we miss anything, we will be able to ship this stuff in a package later - there is no risk16:25
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mihgenok thanks16:25
angdraugalso no mention of fuel-docker-images in the patching spec16:26
xarsesmoving on?16:26
angdraugok16:26
xarseslets follow up on the ML about it16:26
xarses#action follow up on the ML about possible improvements to fuel-docker-image packaging16:27
xarses#topic role-as-a-plugin (ikalnitsky)16:27
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maximovQA implemented a few test jobs for fuel-* repos first of all for library, and they run tests for master node packages and other part of library16:27
ikalnitskyok, guys, honestly i don't have much info to share. all i can say that we have started thinking about scope16:27
maximovsorry it was previous topic16:27
ikalnitskyand Andrii Popovich have started writing a spec16:27
ikalnitskyhere's the link16:27
ikalnitsky#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185267/16:28
ikalnitskyunfortunately, i didn't review it yet.. and i ask you guys to review it when you got free time.16:28
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ikalnitskyin brief, i can highlight some statements.16:28
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ikalnitskyfirst, plugin-as-a-role is about exporting some role with disk partitioning and deployment tasks16:29
ikalnitskysecond, this blueprint is not about changing deployment tasks of other roles. i.e. the plugin won't able to remove some tasks from compute (if we have node with both role)16:30
ikalnitskythat's it.16:30
ikalnitskyquestions?16:30
mihgenikalnitsky: what about network roles?16:30
xarsesso will the plugin role's tasks be included in the normal deployment graph or still be limited to pre / and post deployment?16:30
ikalnitskyxarses, it will be included in normal deployment graph16:30
alex_didenkocool16:31
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mihgenif you can insert it in deployment graph (which is cool), why can't we override/remove some tasks then?16:31
ikalnitskymihgen, we don't consider network-role-as-plugin. i thinks it's another story and it should be implemented after advanced networking16:31
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ikalnitskywe can't remove task because it requires to inject some python code16:32
ikalnitskycurrently, plugins unable to do it16:32
xarsesikalnitsky: we need to implement them together16:32
ikalnitskybecause of many reasons16:32
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xarsesikalnitsky: we will need to think of DSL to replace / and remove other tasks if this role provides it16:32
ikalnitskyi think it should be done in separate blueprint..  i mean python code in plugins16:32
mihgenxarses: you'd need core to have functionality before you can write plugin using it16:32
mattymomaybe you can do it such that a plugin can override a specific task?16:32
xarsesfor example the a role as a plugin would provide rabbitmq16:33
mattymojust like a hierarchy where plugin tasks have higher priority16:33
xarsesit must be able to remove rabbitmq task from controller role16:33
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ikalnitskyhm.. you propose to override it by name?16:33
ikalnitskyor remove it by name?16:33
xarsesmaybe provide the same name16:33
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xarsesand that it's in the graph somewhere may be OK.16:34
ikalnitskyi didn't thought about it.. but at first glance the idea about overriding tasks by name looks ok16:34
ikalnitskybut i don't know our current limitations.16:35
mihgenikalnitsky: take a look please.. it can help our partners a lot16:35
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xarsesI think we might have to change the tasks slightly so that all tasks are evaluated at the same time regardless of role so that many roles may be orchestrated at once16:35
ikalnitskymihgen, yep, i'll16:35
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mihgenmoving on?16:36
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xarses#topic flexible(advanced) networking feature status (akasatkin)16:37
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akasatkinHi16:37
akasatkinDesign is in progress. It is mostly clear what tasks are to be done within this feature.16:37
akasatkinIt was proposed recently to change some relations (network role is connected to task instead of node role, network roles definitions are stored in manifests instead of nailgun). There were discussions on that. I hope most questions will be finally solved on Monday (we have a meeting arranged).16:37
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akasatkinIt was a discussion on Admin-PXE network limitations also (Admin-PXE role is always mapped to it, it cannot be deleted or moved, it cannot be included to lacp bond). It is not a design limitation though. It will be described in metadata and can be adjusted. It can be removed completely after appropriate testing of the final implementation. Library team is not sure we can just drop these limitations right now.16:37
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akasatkinWe are going to start (hopefully tomorrow) implementation of the first part: move existing (and planned) vanila network cases into one (with Neutron ML2 agent). So, there will be an ability to have several VLAN/VxLAN/GRE backends in one env. It will not cover UI for the first time.16:37
akasatkinSpec is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115340/ . Basic considerations on DB scheme and new API are in spec already. Tasks are defined, some of them can be solved in parallel (in nailgun part). Welcome to review. It is not yet addressed there that network role is connected to task (ETA - Tuesday).16:38
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akasatkinQuestions?16:38
xarsesthanks16:38
mihgenthanks akasatkin.16:39
mihgenI was thinking about what network roles to create and where to reuse16:39
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mihgenso I think that if your deployment task provides any service, like rabbitmq, then you must create a new network role for it16:40
mihgenif your deployment task just consumes the services (like olso client to rabbit) - you just refer to the existing network role16:40
xenologYes, by design each,  plugin should have ability add amount of new network roles.16:40
mihgenso corresponding network would be created at the place where you need to consume the services16:40
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mihgenanother thing which just came up, and we will have meeting tomorrow on this16:41
mihgenis that deployment task may require different sets of network roles16:41
mihgendepends on some other metadata, for instance checkbox on settings tab16:41
mihgenset*, not sets16:42
akasatkinactually, networks will be set up once for he entire node, xenolog ?16:42
mihgenso we need to think how to better handle this16:42
akasatkinyes, there are choises here16:42
xenologeach task should has list of NetworkRoles, that will be used.16:42
ikalnitskymaybe if the task require various amount of sets then it should be decompose into few tasks ?16:43
ikalnitskys/sets/netroles/g16:43
mihgenso it's gonna be same for plugin too: if you provide new service, then you'd need to create new network role and associate it with the task16:43
mihgenif your plugin just consumes some service, you'd need to refer to existing network role which is gonna be created by the provider-task16:44
ikalnitskythat's why folks want to expose a requires network roles in tasks. that means, we can get it from plugins with the same mechanism.16:44
mihgenikalnitsky: we thought about it. decomposition is unlikely to happen16:44
mihgenyou may have large puppet module16:44
mihgenand it will be duplication of code16:44
ikalnitskywe can decompose in on "tasks.yaml" level16:45
mihgenit's gonna be quite hard to separate in many cases16:45
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ikalnitskyjust two different declaration with different conditions16:45
mihgenlet's talk tomorrow more about it. are you invited to the call?16:45
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ikalnitskynope16:45
mihgenok, I'll send invite16:45
ikalnitskythanks16:45
akasatkinconditions are in release, far from tasks definition though..16:45
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akasatkini mean it is additional work to sync them16:46
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mihgenyeah we need to figure this out. I kinda have general concept in my mind, but not sure how it will lay down on what we have and what I'm not aware of16:47
mihgenmoving on folks? 13min left..16:47
mattymo+1 moving on16:47
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xarses#topic Granular deployment enhancements feature status (mattymo) - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/detach-components-from-controllers16:47
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mattymothanks xarses16:47
mattymoSo, expanding granular deployment is meant to meet the needs of users with massively scaled deployments. This means creating custom roles for deployment where controller services are split across 2 or more distinct node roles.16:48
mattymoFor example, keystone and horizon on one role, but nova/cinder/glance/neutron/ceilometer/heat on another.16:48
mattymoadidenko started work on this for a little while already. I'm coming on board starting on this week, so now it's just a matter of scoping and understanding all the tasks. Right now, he's working on unmarrying all the services to the "controller" role, so that they can be deployed independently as a granular task.16:48
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mattymoSo far, we've found 2 issues that slow implementation here. One is the role-as-plugin, which I found out just now is underway16:48
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mihgenwhy it's related?16:49
mihgenrole-as-plugin?16:49
mattymothe other is the constraint for "at least one controller" - which is a problem if you now have these new foo1 and foo2 roles that split controller role16:49
mattymoit's related because we can't define custom roles as a plugin. it must be done with a yaml and fuel cli command16:49
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mattymoit's not stopping development, just making it a little less accessible to users16:50
mattymobut now there's this other feature, so that covers it16:50
xarsesmattymo: afaict the restriction is simply in the release yaml, we could prepare / modify the release yaml to remove it16:50
mihgenmattymo: understand. But we can provide set of yamls / set of commands to the user, right?16:50
alex_didenkoin the scope of our BP we only add possibility to detach compontents, but real detachment should be done in plugins16:50
alex_didenkoso they're kind of connected16:50
xarsesthe bigger issue i had when removing the 'controller' role is that there is some bad lookups done for it16:50
mattymoxarses, we're going to address that piece by piece16:51
xarsesin other manifests, like compute16:51
mihgenmattymo: second issue you referred, at least one controller - are we in sync with nailgun folks to remove this restriction?16:51
mattymomihgen, nope16:51
mihgenfor such granular cases16:51
mattymoI am still gathering all requirements to present to python team16:51
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alex_didenkowe have a workaround for it to patch a live Fuel master node :)16:51
xarsesmihgen: in this case, i think this is a plugin is allowed to update data in the release16:52
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xarsesmaybe strange16:52
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mihgenalex_didenko: let's get someone from python team to merge it into master..16:52
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xarsesmoving on?16:53
sbog+116:53
alex_didenkowe'll take care of that, Matt witll gather a list of reqs16:53
alex_didenkoone sec16:53
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alex_didenkoUsing patches from detach-components-from-controllers blueprint and Hiera overrides we were able to deploy rabbitmq+mysql separately in its own corosync cluster. Also we were able to deploy and run the following controller services separately from rabbitmq/mysql/keystone: nova, cinder, heat, ceilometer, neutron. Currently we're working on: keystone, horizon, glance and swift. Some of them are on review already with WIP tag.16:53
alex_didenkonow we can move on :)16:53
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xarses#topic SSL feature status16:53
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sbogHello again folks16:54
sbogAs long as we decide mostly all about the scope, I write some code.16:54
sbogssl for master node - PoC done (need a rewrite to generate cert with some domain name in CN)16:54
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mihgenthanks alex_didenko, excellent progress!16:54
sbogssl for openstack endpoints - keys generation PoC done (need rewrite astute part a little to push public VIP key hostname in CN, in plans to done it on this week)16:54
sbogkeys distribution done, nodes haproxy new module that support SSL done and adapting it done16:54
sbogpatches to create https public endpoints in keystone for most of services (all w/o sahara, ceilometer, murano) done16:54
sbogcode that apply ssl to haproxy public VIP done16:54
sbogUI part mostly done (need to add one field to point public VIP hostname - easy task, I work on it now, need to add field to upload user certs - I asked Vitaly K., he said that it will cost about one and half week to be done)16:54
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sbogAlso some tweaks for haproxy and nginx that will exclude not-safe ssl mechs need to be done16:54
mihgensbog: so do we allow a user to upload his certs?16:55
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sbogYes, I spoke with UI team about it - they will do patch to UI, I'll write logic to check user cert16:55
alex_didenkowhere exactly do we terminate SSL for endpoints? in haproxy?16:55
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sbogYes, in HAProxy16:56
sbogIt is only one scalable solution, actually16:56
alex_didenkook, thanks16:56
mihgensbog: sounds great. and there is gonna be an option to use self-generated certs, and do I understand right that you already have a code for it ((need rewrite astute part a little to push public VIP … )16:56
sbogTerminate SSL on OpenStack services is bad idea now - it is not scalable16:56
sbogYes, I already have code for generate selg-signed certs16:57
mihgensbog: in 7.0 we would get keystone behind of apache, would it make any impact on your work?16:57
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sbogI need some from astute part for done it - and I work on it right now.16:57
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sbogI don't think so16:57
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xarsesmoving on?16:57
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sbogcouple sec16:57
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sbogWe can push ssl certs on apache for keystone - it should work ok too, so there is no problem, I think16:58
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alex_didenkokeystone is behind haproxy so moving it under apache won't affect SSL16:58
dstaneksbog: can't use of the terminators like stud?16:58
sbogWe can, yes. Tests said that stud work well, actually16:58
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sbogBut we already have HAproxy, so I decide to not add complexity16:59
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mihgendstanek: any specif benefit of using it?16:59
angdraugtime16:59
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angdrauglets move to #fuel-dev16:59
dstanekmihgen: simplicity17:00
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xarses#endmeeting17:00
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mihgenthanks folks17:00
xarsesthanks guys17:00
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hyakuhei#startmeeting Security17:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Jun  4 17:01:18 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:01
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michaelxinmvaldes: welcome17:02
timkennedyo/17:02
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dstanekhiya17:02
tkelseylots of people today :)17:02
hyakuheiPopular place to be :)17:02
warpc__hi17:02
michaelxincool17:02
elmikohyakuhei: yea, seriously!17:03
hyakuheiOk so agenda wise, lets run through the projects and then see what time we’ve got left for other business17:03
hyakuheisicarie: Can you update on docs?17:03
sicarieSure17:03
hyakuhei#topic Security Guide17:03
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sicarieCurrent bug list: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack/+bugs?field.tag=sec-guide17:03
mvaldesmichaelxin: thanks17:03
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hyakuheiAnything stand out as being either a) low hanging fruit or b) really hard where you’d like a SME to help?17:04
sicarieWe've skipped a few secguide meetings due to the summit, but overall we're doing good work on getting the guide back in shape17:04
sicarieYes - a) should have a tag, I'll pull that in a minue17:04
sicariefor b) any reviews on content for the Compute, Networking, and Dashboard chapters would be awesome17:05
michaelxinsicarie: do you need help with reviews?17:05
sicariemichaelxin: always :)17:05
elmiko+117:05
sicarieWe did just bring on a new core to the secguide17:06
sicarieCongrats to elmiko17:06
elmiko\o/17:06
sicarieAnd thanks for the great review work - please keep it up!17:06
michaelxincong17:06
tkelseyawesome17:06
tmcpeakcongrats elmiko! well deserved17:06
bknudsoncongrats to elmiko17:06
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elmikothanks everyone =)17:06
elmikoi do have a question about some firewall stuff we talked about17:07
elmikowe had mentioned creating some sample firewalld xmls and Ubuntu based helper files17:07
elmikofor openstack services17:07
elmikobut we hadn't figured out a good place for those to live, any thoughts?17:07
timkennedyopenstack wiki?17:07
hyakuheiSeems we might want them to live in gerrit somewhere17:08
hyakuheiso they can be easily vetted/updated17:08
tkelsey+1 for versioning17:08
elmikothat's a good start, i think we were talking about trying to fit them in the docs somewhere, if it makes sense.17:08
singlethinkIn some project's contrib directory?17:08
elmikothe installers manual has a list of all ports, i wonder if we could have an appendix in the sec-guide with this content?17:09
timkennedyare the samples going to be maintained code, or just samples?17:09
sicarieYeah, I think those may version interestingly, we might want to link to a repo from the secguide?17:09
elmikoi think maintained would be cool17:09
tkelseyelmiko: yeah, feels like good appendix material17:09
timkennedythen version control and a link in the sec-guide17:09
michaelxin+1 for gerrit17:09
elmikoawesome, thanks. sicarie we can talk more about it in the next meeting maybe?17:10
sicarieelmiko: sounds good17:10
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sicariehyakuhei: I think that's about all I had for docs17:10
hyakuheiThanks sicarie17:10
hyakuhei#topic OSSN17:10
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hyakuheiThere’s 7 OSSN outstanding atm17:10
hyakuhei#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn17:10
tkelseyhyakuhei: in review, or needing to be written ?17:11
hyakuheiVarious states17:11
tkelseykk17:11
hyakuheiFour new17:11
hyakuheiHmmm, five17:11
hyakuheiSome easy ones, some harder17:11
elmikoi could take a swag at one of the easier ones =D17:12
hyakuheiIf anyone’s looking for a way in to the Security project, these are a great start17:12
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hyakuheihttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/+bug/1451931 looks fairly boilerplate.17:12
openstackLaunchpad bug 1451931 in OpenStack Security Notes "ironic password config not marked as secret" [Undecided,New]17:12
michaelxinI will help one for sure.17:12
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timkennedynoted17:13
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elmikocool17:13
hyakuheiok, next up we’ve got the developer guidance17:13
hyakuhei#topic Developer Guidance17:14
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tmcpeakcontent wise these are fairly stead state17:14
hyakuheiNot much has happened here but I just wanted to thank gmurphy for the work he did to get this ready for the summit17:14
hyakuhei#link https://security.openstack.org17:14
tmcpeakgmurphy: ++17:14
tkelseyso I have started adding some docs to bandit tests, there was some discussion of overlap between that and the dev guidance17:14
tmcpeakhave we announced these on the ML?17:14
hyakuheiNot formally no, good idea tmcpeak17:15
tmcpeakcool17:15
tmcpeakgmurphy: is there any way we can access page views on them?17:15
tmcpeakto see how used or not they are?17:15
tkelseyI intent to keep bandit docs very short and link to all relevant guidance. If any stuff comes out of that that is missing in the guidance stuff I'll start adding it17:15
hyakuheitkelsey: interesting17:15
tmcpeakyeah, tkelsey - that's great work17:16
gmurphytmpeak: not currently afaik17:16
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tkelseythanks tmcpeak im working up some general docs as well17:16
hyakuhei#topic Bandit17:16
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hyakuheitkelsey: tmcpeak et al - update?17:16
tkelseyi can take that17:17
tkelseywe have had a lot of very awesome stuff landing this week :)17:17
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tkelseythanks to all who have contributed, we now have python 3 support and a python 3 voting gate test17:17
hyakuheiwoot17:17
tmcpeaksigmavirus24 has been throwing up patches like a madman :)17:17
tkelseythe py3 work is from sigmavirus24 :) so shout outs for that17:18
michaelxin+117:18
bknudsonwe need a release of bandit then I can change keystone tox.ini to use py34 instead17:18
gmurphyhave to say the xml / jenkins stuff is pretty neat. so good stuff whoever wrote that.17:18
tkelseybknudson: noted17:18
tkelseygmurphy: +1 yes it is17:18
tmcpeakfor those that haven't seen it: http://vdwaa.nl/bandit/python/security/jenkins/openstack-bandit-jenkins-integration/17:18
tmcpeakwritten by Jelle - who recently contributed Jenkins output support17:19
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tkelseyoh tmcpeak interesting I hadn't seen that :)17:19
michaelxingreat17:19
hyakuheiexcellent. make sure you tell that guy when this gets pinned in a release so he can update his writeup17:19
tmcpeakhyakuhei: +117:20
tkelseyso yeah, I think thats the highlights from this week in bandit land, thanks again everyone, we will update people with release plans and so forth as we have the,17:20
tkelsey*them17:20
hyakuhei#topic Anchor17:20
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hyakuheiNot much to report here17:20
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hyakuheiThough I’d like CatHead to be considered for inclusion as a Security project17:21
tkelseyAnchor continues to improve, we have had some quality improving patches and a new blacklist validator it in the works17:21
hyakuhei#link https://github.com/takac/cathead17:21
tkelseyhyakuhei: +117:21
hyakuheiIt’s like Certmonger but not horrible.17:21
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hyakuheiAny objections?17:22
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hyakuheiCool17:23
tkelseyno objections +lots from me :) I would like to se that happen17:23
hyakuheiMe too17:23
hyakuheiOk so that covers everything I was hoping to today17:23
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hyakuhei#topic Any other business17:23
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elmikoa followup from last weeks action item,17:24
tmcpeakI'm going to be working with Donald Stufft to make some short term improvements to PyPI17:24
tmcpeakwe're going to get brute force prevention and email notification for package uploads17:24
tkelseytmcpeak: cool :)17:24
tmcpeakstay tyned17:24
tmcpeak*tuned17:24
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tkelseywhe aye man, i'll stay tyned :P17:24
hyakuheiExcellent17:24
elmikoi've been digging into gabbi (https://github.com/cdent/gabbi) as a possible tool to use for fuzzing like servers17:25
tmcpeaklol17:25
michaelxini did check https://github.com/cdent/gabbi by grabbing the source code and play with it too.17:25
hyakuheiOh that’s interesting17:25
michaelxinelmiko: +117:25
tmcpeakelmiko: awesome17:25
elmikoi think it might need some changes to the way it handles tests, as they are all in yaml files now17:25
tmcpeaklooking forward to messing around with this17:25
elmikobut i've been talking with cdent about possible generator types for the test creation17:25
elmikoi am curious about the different types of fuzzing we will want, is it going to be mainly url type stuff, or json payloads as well?17:26
tmcpeakI'd think both would be awesome17:26
michaelxinthe check of responses will be interesting and challenging17:26
hyakuheiRaw fuzzing won’t get us too far I don’t think17:27
elmikomichaelxin: agreed17:27
michaelxinit depends on what do we want to make this tool work17:27
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michaelxinwe can make it fuzz randomly like chaos monkey17:27
elmikook, so i've been looking at how we could create small pieces of python to define the fuzz test we want. i agree with michaelxin, figuring out what type of response we want may be challenging.17:27
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michaelxinor do we want it to become a smart monkey by telling us what defects it detects.17:28
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elmikoimo, for each test, if we know the output, then we could start to generate a fuzzed set of inputs and just check them all as it does the testing.17:28
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elmikothat's how i've been approaching it17:29
tkelseyits an interesting area of investigation, maybe we should get something mocked up to kick the tires a bit17:29
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michaelxintkelsey: +117:29
elmikotmcpeak: that sounds good17:29
tmcpeaktkelsey: +1, would make it easier to know when we've got what we want17:29
michaelxinneed spend sometime working on some POC17:29
elmikoer, tkelsey sorry17:29
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hyakuheiAs we’re dealing with a predominantely python environment I think we’ll get much more mileage out of something that looks at odd combinations of API requests, oddness in JSON etc17:30
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hyakuheiFuzzing logic as apposed to trying to break parsers ala binary fuzzing17:30
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elmikowhen you say "odd combinations...", is that to say like thrashing the server?17:30
tkelseyI would imagine things like send responses before requests, that sort of thing17:31
hyakuheiThings that are logically incosistent17:31
michaelxinThat's why it is better to do fuzzy with QA knowledge about the product.17:31
elmikoah, cool17:31
elmikomichaelxin: yea, if i do a poc it will most likely be against sahara17:31
michaelxina generic fuzzier does not know much about the project17:31
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michaelxinelmiko: +117:31
tkelseythat sounds sensible17:31
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elmikocool, sounds good to me =)17:32
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hyakuheiJolly good.17:32
hyakuheiAnything else to discuss today folks ?17:33
michaelxinI am good17:33
hyakuheiGreat!17:33
tkelseynothing from me, other than to say thanks for all the patches this week again :)17:33
timkennedynew guy here.17:33
timkennedy Tim Kennedy, ops guy with some dev experience. I'm particularly interested in secure multi-tenancy in openstack, and regulatory compliance (FISMA, DIACAP, etc).  Hoping to contribute to Openstack security in that direction.17:33
gmurphykind of related to fuzzing - it might be worth looking at which projects aren't using json schema validation e.g https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/v3-api-schema and trying to help them define one?17:33
timkennedyhi.  nice to meet you all.17:33
gmurphy(that spec is complete)17:33
elmikohi timkennedy17:33
hyakuheiSo one thing to note, I’ll be travelling this time next week so I’ll need someone else to run the meeting please?17:33
hyakuheiHi timkennedy welcome!17:34
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tkelseytimkennedy: welcome :) I spotted a few reviews coming in from you, thanks!17:34
hyakuhei+117:34
timkennedyhi.  thanks!17:34
hyakuheiok I think that’s a wrap people. Thank you for joining!17:34
hyakuhei#endmeeting17:34
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bknudsonthanks17:34
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elmikothanks hyakuhei17:35
tkelseythanks all17:35
tmcpeakthanks17:35
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amitgandhinz#startmeeting Poppy Weekly Meeting19:04
openstackMeeting started Thu Jun  4 19:04:42 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is amitgandhinz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:04
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:04
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amitgandhinz#topic rollcall19:04
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malinio/19:04
sriramo/ \o19:04
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amitgandhinz#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Poppy19:06
amitgandhinzNo items from last week19:07
amitgandhinz#topic Blueprints and Bugs19:07
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* amitgandhinz must create an L series!19:07
sriramwe are in Liberty cycle right now, correct?19:08
amitgandhinzya19:08
amitgandhinzi need to release the K3 package and groom L19:08
amitgandhinzbeen way too busy19:08
malini& I cant even say wht quarter we are in:/19:08
sriramlol19:08
amitgandhinzQ2 malini19:08
malinithx :)19:09
amitgandhinzok any one have updates on any of these blueprints?19:09
amitgandhinzi have a suspicion its no different to last week19:09
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maliniamitgandhinz: u mean we are slacking?19:10
amitgandhinz#link https://launchpad.net/poppy/+milestone/kilo-319:10
amitgandhinzyes19:10
amitgandhinzok i need to clean all this up with relevant priorities so we can have meaningful meetings19:11
sriramI still need to add the pig files for log delivery.19:11
sriramcan we make that an action item.19:11
sriramI'll get that done soon.19:11
amitgandhinz#action sriram to add pig files to repo for log delivery19:11
sriramthanks19:11
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amitgandhinz#action amitgandhinz to release K package19:12
amitgandhinz@action amitgandhinz to groom L1 series19:12
amitgandhinz#action amitgandhinz to groom L1 series19:12
amitgandhinz#topic Open Discussion19:13
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amitgandhinzany thing to discuss ... else im going to use the rest of this time to groom L19:13
malinigroom amitgandhinz19:13
slackoramahey, i'm from edgecast and wanted to just say hello.19:13
malinihello slackorama!19:13
sriramslackorama: hey there19:13
amitgandhinzslackorama: hi ya! welcome!19:13
slackoramaand that i'm starting work on our poppy integration.19:13
maliniI love ur nick ;)19:13
amitgandhinzoh that is awesome19:13
tonytan4everwelcome19:13
maliniwoot19:13
amitgandhinzhow can we help slackorama?19:14
slackoramatake all this other crap off my plate that i have to do? trying to squeeze it in between other projects.19:14
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amitgandhinzslackorama: haha i have the same issue19:15
slackoramaI'm just starting to read the docs and get things up and running so I'll probably need help later. now I'm good.19:15
amitgandhinzok, let us know if you need help getting poppy up and running19:15
amitgandhinzwe are here to help19:15
slackoramaawesome. thanks.19:15
amitgandhinzalso, the docs may need some work, so will appreciate any feedback to make them better19:15
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sriramhang out in the #openstack-poppy channel, we are always around.19:15
slackoramaroger. so just drop any issues I find in there?19:16
amitgandhinzsometimes we make too many assumptions since we are in the thick of it and its always great to have new contributors find improvements =)19:16
slackoramaConsider me your guinea pig. :)19:16
amitgandhinzthanks =D19:16
malinitht is a dangerous stmt slackorama ;)19:16
sriramhahha19:16
amitgandhinzmalini: now you really do need to build out these conformance tests ;-)19:17
maliniok19:17
maliniI'll start seriously thinking abt it19:18
malini& do some stuff shortly after the thinking :)19:18
amitgandhinzya, this will really help slackorama once the edgecast provider is building19:18
amitgandhinzslackorama: fyi we are wanting to build abstract tests that work across provider drivers to ensure they meet the requirements19:19
maliniI will work with slackorama  to figure out wht will help a new provider the most19:19
slackoramathanks!19:19
amitgandhinzbasically making sure ttl's are actually set, purges actually work, etc19:19
amitgandhinzfrom an end user perspective19:19
maliniwe probably need to clean up the end to end tests to be provider agnostic19:19
amitgandhinzya19:20
sriram+119:20
tonytan4ever+119:20
amitgandhinzok any thing else anyone wants to talk about?19:20
tonytan4everNothing from me.19:21
sriramI'm done.19:21
malinime too19:21
slackoramaNothing here. Thanks for the welcome and offer of help.19:21
sriramslackorama: see you in the poppy channel :)19:21
malinislackorama: we are excited to get an edgecast driver :)19:21
amitgandhinzok thanks everyone.  i promise to tidy up the blueprints etc to provide better focus for these meetings19:21
slackoramamalini: You aren't the only one.19:22
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amitgandhinzlater.19:22
amitgandhinz#endmeeting19:22
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