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bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
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openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 4 15:00:37 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
cknight | Hi | 15:00 |
bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
zhongjun2 | hi | 15:00 |
ganso_ | hello | 15:00 |
rraja | hi | 15:00 |
xyang | hi | 15:00 |
lpabon | hi all | 15:00 |
vponomaryov | hello | 15:00 |
u_glide2 | hi | 15:00 |
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bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:01 |
bswartz | okay I'm pretty behind this week | 15:01 |
bswartz | as some of you know my daughter was born on Monday | 15:01 |
bswartz | there's a few urgent topics though and then I'll turn the meeting over to open discussion | 15:02 |
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xyang1 | Congrats! | 15:02 |
bswartz | xyang1: thank you | 15:02 |
bswartz | #topic Manila Midcycle Meetup | 15:02 |
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bswartz | so as promised I started an ML thread about the midcycle date options | 15:03 |
bswartz | I've only heard back from a few people, but so far neither week is ideal for everyone | 15:03 |
vponomaryov | I am ok with either of proposed | 15:04 |
ganso_ | either for me is fine | 15:04 |
u_glide2 | +1 | 15:04 |
cFouts | o/ | 15:05 |
bswartz | is there anyone who wants to travel, who can only make one of those weeks (other than xyang)? | 15:05 |
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markstur | hi | 15:05 |
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bswartz | or anyone who can participate but only on one of those weeks? | 15:05 |
markstur | I could only travel one of the weeks. | 15:05 |
bswartz | markstur I know about your vacation dates -- any chance you would travel the other week> | 15:06 |
markstur | But I can't verify that I'll get approval until after the date is set | 15:06 |
bswartz | yeah I know about travel budget issues, believe me | 15:06 |
lpabon | bswartz: i am not sure if I will be going, but if I do, most likely it will be on July 20th | 15:06 |
markstur | I was told "likely" for August. I haven't heard if we spent all our July money in Vancouver. I still think travel is "likely". | 15:06 |
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lpabon | i'm checking with csaba and rraja to see if they are going. We will let you know | 15:07 |
bswartz | okay cool | 15:07 |
bswartz | I will wait a few more days for responses to the ML thread | 15:07 |
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bswartz | you can mail me directly instead of responding to the thread if you like | 15:07 |
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bswartz | but I will set a date before the next meeting, so let me know today or tomorrow about your preferences | 15:08 |
bswartz | okay next topic | 15:09 |
bswartz | #topic 3rd party vendor CI | 15:09 |
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bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-driver-maintainers | 15:09 |
bswartz | thanks to those who filled this out | 15:09 |
bswartz | some are still missing info | 15:09 |
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bswartz | I'm guessing they just didn't come to the weekly meeting | 15:10 |
bswartz | I'll go ping people starting tomorrow for the missing entries | 15:10 |
bswartz | driver maintainers should be paying attention to these meetings though... | 15:11 |
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bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:11 |
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bswartz | okay those were the 2 most pressing issues | 15:12 |
markstur | was migration on the topic list today? | 15:12 |
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ganso_ | we can discuss it | 15:12 |
bswartz | we have some technical discussions going on in the background | 15:12 |
bswartz | yeah migration is one | 15:12 |
bswartz | I'll offer my thoughts | 15:12 |
bswartz | there are a few ways forward on the migration-changing-the-share-ID issue | 15:13 |
bswartz | read ganso's ML thread if you're not familair with them | 15:13 |
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bswartz | one thing I think will help decide that issue is if we can figure out how the various options will affect share replication | 15:13 |
bswartz | the current proposal for share replication is to use a single row and a single share ID for all copies of a given share | 15:14 |
bswartz | migration basically requires 2 IDs (at least temporarily) so if we can update the replication proposal with new options it might help us decide | 15:15 |
bswartz | that will help me decide at least -- I haven't been thinking about replication these last few days... | 15:15 |
bswartz | the other related issue is availability zones | 15:16 |
bswartz | which I brought up last week | 15:17 |
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ganso_ | bswartz: by what you mentioned about replication approach, is it including a list of all other replicated share IDs in a field in the single row entry? | 15:17 |
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bswartz | I'm now pretty confident that AZs are the right abstraction to allow end users to request data locality between their shares and their nova instances | 15:17 |
bswartz | but if we support AZs than that will affect both replication and migration | 15:18 |
bswartz | because there is a use case to "change AZ" on a share which would be a migration by default | 15:18 |
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bswartz | so these 3 feature proposals are all tangled up now | 15:18 |
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cknight | ganso_: No, the original replication proposal had only a single ID for a share, regardless of its number of replicas. | 15:19 |
bswartz | ganso_: yes what cknight said | 15:19 |
bswartz | we could update the proposal -- no code has been written for that feature yet | 15:19 |
ganso_ | cknight: how are you tracking the replicas? | 15:19 |
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cknight | ganso_: That's up to the driver based on its conf file input. | 15:20 |
cknight | ganso_: We wanted to be minimally prescriptive to allow more flexibility for drivers. | 15:20 |
ganso_ | cknight: so I can assume the driver may make use of Private Driver Storage for that, right? | 15:20 |
cknight | ganso_: Yes, definitely. | 15:20 |
bswartz | yes -- the apparent advantage to the single ID proposal is that it's maximally flexible for backends, and should minimize the set of implementations that can't meet the replication API's contract | 15:21 |
bswartz | however flexibility has its own drawbacks too, which I why I'm willing to reconsider | 15:21 |
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bswartz | I just haven't made any progress with my thinking | 15:22 |
bswartz | hopefully next week will be better | 15:22 |
bswartz | anyone else have thoughts on that stuff? | 15:22 |
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bswartz | or any other topics for today? | 15:23 |
ganso_ | I see two categories here. We have been discussing about trying to do all we can in the Core code to minimize driver code effort, but as far as I understood, replication is taking a different approach | 15:23 |
u_glide2 | bswartz: I need your approve on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187953/ (manila-image-elements project) | 15:23 |
bswartz | ganso_: that's true | 15:23 |
ganso_ | so if the driver does not implement how to track the IDs, and how to manage its own replication, then replication is not working for that backend at all | 15:23 |
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ganso_ | That's a bit similar to Proposal 1 from my email. | 15:24 |
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markstur | u_glide2, Won't you need a pypi project for manila-image-elements? | 15:24 |
bswartz | ganso_: replication is intended to be completely optional -- driver can support it or not | 15:24 |
bswartz | migration is supported for all backends whether they implement it or not (at least that's what you've proposed) which means we need to have a universal fallback | 15:25 |
u_glide2 | markstur: I need to, but its not required on current step | 15:25 |
vponomaryov | markstur: yes, we need it | 15:25 |
ganso_ | bswartz: you are right | 15:25 |
ganso_ | bswartz: I understand now the direction we should follow | 15:26 |
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ganso_ | bswartz: may we scratch Proposal 1 off the list then? | 15:26 |
bswartz | the question is whether it's advantageous to the backends that do wish to implement replication if we let them store multiple share "instances" in the DB | 15:26 |
ganso_ | bswartz: it can be a guideline for them | 15:27 |
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bswartz | ganso_: I think proposal 1 is still attractive for some reasons | 15:27 |
bswartz | cknight likes it best (I think) because it's the smallest possible change | 15:27 |
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vponomaryov | )) | 15:28 |
cknight | bswartz: +1 | 15:28 |
xyang | ganso_: have you looked at cinder's internal tenant proposal? | 15:28 |
bswartz | xyang: I believe we will end up needing something similar regardless of what proposal we go with | 15:28 |
ganso_ | xyang: not yet | 15:28 |
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bswartz | we will need to use some mechanism to prevent end users from seeing 2 shares while a migration is in progress, yet the admin does need to see both shares in case the migration fails and needs fixing | 15:30 |
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vponomaryov | bswartz: in case of "proposal 3" admin will be able to track all instances | 15:31 |
ganso_ | bswartz: if it needs fixing from admin side then the error state cleanup is not properly implemented | 15:31 |
vponomaryov | bswartz: but he can not track it using proposal 1 | 15:31 |
ganso_ | vponomaryov: +1 | 15:31 |
bswartz | I disagree | 15:31 |
bswartz | well perhaps my idea of proposal 1 is slightly different | 15:32 |
bswartz | my idea of proposal 1 is: | 15:32 |
bswartz | we create a new share with a new ID as the migration destination | 15:32 |
bswartz | that share is owned by an "internal" tenant to hide it while the migration is in progress | 15:32 |
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ganso_ | vponomaryov: good point, but there are other mechanisms for that still. Proposal 1 is the one that complements the current prototype with the smallest changes, we would need only to filter out the temporary share in a way that only the admin sees, but not the user | 15:33 |
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bswartz | when the migration completes, the old share is deleted, and the new share | 15:33 |
bswartz | the new share's ID is changed to match the old one | 15:33 |
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bswartz | backends may have to use driver private share data to perform the ID-change operation because many drivers are unable to actually rename their underlying share object | 15:34 |
vponomaryov | bswartz: ok, but 1 still does not satisfy future "replication". replication requires separation of "representation" of a share and its "instances" | 15:34 |
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vponomaryov | bswartz: proposal 3 does satisfy it | 15:34 |
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ganso_ | bswartz: there is more than one way to achieve that last step, in my prototype, I never delete the original DB row. In your idea, you delete it, and change the ID, I did not it was possible to change a UUID in sql alchemy | 15:34 |
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vponomaryov | bswartz: and satisfies "migration" too | 15:35 |
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bswartz | I believe it's possible to do 1 and make replication work, since the driver is free to store whatever it needs in driver private share data | 15:35 |
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bswartz | however I'm not certain it's preferrable | 15:35 |
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ganso_ | the way I see it, if we implement proposal 3, then drivers can use it, but they also can use proposal 1 if they want | 15:36 |
ganso_ | because Private Driver Storage is there | 15:36 |
vponomaryov | ganso_: +1 | 15:36 |
ganso_ | not sure if this is redundant | 15:37 |
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ganso_ | like, wasted effort | 15:37 |
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bswartz | ganso_: what you say is true, but I would want to do a design and see if it actually helps or not | 15:37 |
vponomaryov | helps what? only migration? or also AZs and replication? | 15:38 |
bswartz | because the downside to 3 is that it's a major change which introduces complexity to the project for possibly very little gain | 15:38 |
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bswartz | vponomaryov: helps with implementing migration for one or more backends | 15:38 |
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ganso_ | is proposal 2 helpful for replication or AZ at all? | 15:39 |
bswartz | AZs are not affected by the instances/multiple IDs | 15:39 |
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bswartz | I'll see if I can compose a response on the ML which summarizes my thoughts | 15:40 |
bswartz | cknight: I know you have a point of view on this, perhaps you can respond on the ML too | 15:41 |
cknight | bswartz: ok | 15:41 |
bswartz | I'm really happy that we're thinking about all of these issues now during the first milestone | 15:42 |
bswartz | I'm optimistic we will find a good solution and have time to implement all of the proposed features during liberty | 15:42 |
vponomaryov | bswartz: in interface, but implementation in drivers? | 15:43 |
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bswartz | vponomaryov: in some drivers | 15:43 |
bswartz | for replication I'm still looking for a volunteer to implement it in the generic driver | 15:43 |
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bswartz | but we may need to get the design farther along before someone can actually start that | 15:44 |
u_glide2 | we also should schedule API migration to micro-versions framework | 15:44 |
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cknight | u_glide2: +1 | 15:44 |
vponomaryov | u_glide2: +1 | 15:44 |
cknight | u_glide2: I've been waiting for the API WG guidelines on microversions. I'll ping them about that. | 15:45 |
cknight | u_glide2: They promised to do that at the summit. | 15:45 |
u_glide2 | it's big chunk of work, which will affect all user-facing features | 15:45 |
bswartz | migration doesn't NEED any implementations | 15:45 |
u_glide2 | cknight: sounds good | 15:45 |
bswartz | although having 1 is implrtant for tesiing the optimized case | 15:45 |
ganso_ | bswartz: in fact, if you take a look at the prototype and the proposal, some method implementation is currently required from drivers, like the network path and mount command. Maybe we can improve on that, I do not know how yet | 15:46 |
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bswartz | ganso_: I haven't looked yet | 15:47 |
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bswartz | ganso_: what about the data copy servive? | 15:48 |
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ganso_ | bswartz: it will help | 15:48 |
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ganso_ | bswartz: I need to give it more thought | 15:49 |
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ganso_ | bswartz: I am not sure if drivers will still have to provide the network path and mount command to the data copy service or we can include it in it somehow | 15:50 |
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bswartz | I'll want to know more about that | 15:52 |
bswartz | I just haven't had time to look | 15:52 |
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bswartz | hopefully I'll be doing more code reviews when I get home from the hospital | 15:53 |
bswartz | okay if that's all I think we're done for today | 15:53 |
rraja | bswartz: a related question of sorts. is there already a list available of APIs a driver must support to be included in Liberty? this question was raised in the openstack-manila channel as well. | 15:53 |
ganso_ | bswartz: what was the other pressing issue? | 15:54 |
ganso_ | rraja: I am compiling this list | 15:54 |
rraja | ganso_: thanks! | 15:54 |
bswartz | rraja: it's smething we need | 15:54 |
bswartz | the developer docs should make this clear | 15:54 |
vponomaryov | also, we need to decide what to do with drivers that already exist but do not satisfy all required features criteria? | 15:54 |
ganso_ | rraja: on monday I will post a preliminary list based on etherpad and everyone will be able to collaborate before we move it to the wiki | 15:54 |
rraja | bswartz: it would help us prioritize our BPs for liberty. | 15:55 |
bswartz | and the functional test suite should validate whether driver actually implement the APis | 15:55 |
bswartz | ganso_ I covered them both -- midcycle meetup date and driver maintainers for CI | 15:55 |
bswartz | okay I think we're done | 15:56 |
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bswartz | thanks everyone and sorry I've been mostly AFK | 15:56 |
bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:56 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 4 15:56:34 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:56 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-06-04-15.00.html | 15:56 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-06-04-15.00.txt | 15:56 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-06-04-15.00.log.html | 15:56 |
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xarses | #startmeeting Fuel | 16:02 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 4 16:02:07 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xarses. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:02 |
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xarses | #chair xarses | 16:02 |
openstack | Current chairs: xarses | 16:02 |
mattymo | xarses, guest host? | 16:02 |
xarses | morning folks | 16:02 |
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mwhahaha | hola | 16:02 |
agordeev | o/ | 16:02 |
xarses | mattymo: surprise | 16:02 |
mattymo | I'm shocked. Also, hi | 16:02 |
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alex_didenko | hi | 16:02 |
maximov | hi Andrew | 16:02 |
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xarses | so lets get started then | 16:03 |
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aglarendil | hi | 16:03 |
vkramskikh | hi | 16:03 |
akasatkin | h | 16:03 |
xarses | #topic HCF status: outstanding issue with fuel-agent (https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1461532) dpyzhov | 16:03 |
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openstack | Launchpad bug 1461532 in Fuel for OpenStack "MCollective has not answered after provisioning and starting of granular_deploy" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Vladimir Sharshov (vsharshov) | 16:03 |
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xarses | dpyzhov isn't here | 16:04 |
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angdraug | warpc__: ^ ? | 16:04 |
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xarses | ok, lets come back to it. | 16:04 |
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warpc__ | Guys, i am still discovering it https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1461532) | 16:04 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1461532 in Fuel for OpenStack "MCollective has not answered after provisioning and starting of granular_deploy" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Vladimir Sharshov (vsharshov) | 16:04 |
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sbog | hi all | 16:05 |
ashtokolov | hi | 16:05 |
ikalnitsky | o/ | 16:05 |
dpyzhov | hi | 16:05 |
aglarendil | hi | 16:05 |
IvanKliuk | hi | 16:05 |
xarses | ok, nvmind. | 16:05 |
xarses | dpyzhov: we are talking about https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1461532 | 16:05 |
xarses | and HCF | 16:05 |
angdraug | is that the only remaining HCF blocker? | 16:06 |
maximov | I belive this bug should be fixed before HCF | 16:06 |
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maximov | as it can break deployment | 16:06 |
maximov | in some cases | 16:06 |
dpyzhov | In python team we have few more open bugs | 16:06 |
maximov | do we know the reason ? any ideas | 16:06 |
dpyzhov | but I think we can announce HCF without fixes for them | 16:07 |
maximov | dpyzhov: I agree, looks like this one is the only bug that we should fix before HCF | 16:07 |
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warpc__ | Guys, i need 1 more hour for it. At now moment i have only week idea about id which nailgun-aget got after we ask it node | 16:09 |
xarses | Ok, so we want to address this prior to HCF, are their any others we have to get to before HCF? | 16:10 |
maximov | warpc__: ok, please ask our colleagues from US for help if you feel that you cannot fix it today | 16:10 |
warpc__ | maximov: ok, i will | 16:10 |
maximov | I don't think we have in fuel | 16:10 |
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xarses | angdraug: what about the UCS IBP issue? | 16:11 |
xarses | should we wait for more analysis on that also? | 16:11 |
angdraug | not sure it should be HCF blocker | 16:12 |
angdraug | link? | 16:12 |
xarses | I don't have one =( | 16:12 |
rmoe | there is a webex scheduled for tomorrow to troubleshoot it | 16:12 |
angdraug | pretty sure there was an LP bug about it, unless I'm confusing it with something else | 16:12 |
rmoe | oh, maybe we're talking about 2 different things | 16:13 |
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dpyzhov | xarses: they are working with old env and we don’t have logs, afaik | 16:13 |
rmoe | there is some UCS IBP issue that is going to be looked at tomorrow morning | 16:13 |
angdraug | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1461126 | 16:13 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1461126 in Fuel for OpenStack "IBP: GBUB failed to recognize very large disk 10+TB" [High,Triaged] - Assigned to Aleksandr Gordeev (a-gordeev) | 16:13 |
angdraug | that? | 16:13 |
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agordeev | nope | 16:13 |
agordeev | that one was reproduced on our side | 16:14 |
angdraug | ok, rmoe: please make sure there's a bug reported about it | 16:14 |
rmoe | will do | 16:14 |
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angdraug | moving on? | 16:14 |
xarses | #topic Package-based updates delivery (aglarendil) | 16:14 |
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aglarendil | so far folks we have set up all the infrastructure and jobs for package-based updates delivery | 16:15 |
aglarendil | we are going to switch to stable/6.1 branches after HCF is called and glue everything | 16:15 |
aglarendil | together by the release date | 16:15 |
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mihgen | aglarendil: sounds cool. How can we double sure that patching flows work and application of patches is ok? | 16:16 |
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xarses | so will we also deliver fuel-master (and container) updates this way also? | 16:16 |
mihgen | I was thinking about the following: why don't we take ISO which is 2 weeks old, and use current repos as updates | 16:16 |
mihgen | update package by package | 16:16 |
bookwar | aglarendil: do you mean these jobs https://review.fuel-infra.org/#/c/6827/ ? | 16:16 |
aglarendil | mihgen: we gonna re-review all the code once again | 16:17 |
mihgen | and see what actions have to be done | 16:17 |
aglarendil | and do patching acceptance testing during the last week of the release cycle | 16:17 |
mihgen | just to see how it is gonna look like, and ensure we don't miss anything important | 16:17 |
aglarendil | bookwar: yep, these ones | 16:17 |
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aglarendil | Mike, obviously we will do code review for jobs and tests several additional times | 16:18 |
aglarendil | do not worry | 16:18 |
mihgen | did we package everything? | 16:18 |
mihgen | including docker containers? | 16:18 |
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aglarendil | mihgen: yes, and it was discussed two or three weeks ago already | 16:19 |
mattymo | mihgen, ^ yes. fuel-docker-images package | 16:19 |
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mihgen | Just making sure. | 16:19 |
ikalnitsky | honestly, i don't like idea to package docker containers :( | 16:19 |
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ikalnitsky | it should be done via docker registry | 16:20 |
mihgen | question - how did you verify that all is packaged? | 16:20 |
mihgen | ikalnitsky: we might consider this for later, there were holywars about this… | 16:20 |
mattymo | ikalnitsky, I wanted registry, but to pack and use registry on ISO, it's much slower and consumes more disk space. I really gave it a full effort | 16:20 |
mattymo | almost 2x as slow | 16:21 |
angdraug | just this morning in osci+linux discussion we recalled the discussion we had about splitting fuel-web packages | 16:21 |
ikalnitsky | mattymo, if we're retrieving packages from some online source, why we can't retrieve docker images from some online source too? | 16:21 |
ikalnitsky | but ok, let's discuss it later | 16:21 |
xarses | mattymo: can we provide public registry along with the packages? | 16:21 |
mattymo | registry doesn't transfer data compressed. it'll be 1.2gb download, just fyi | 16:21 |
mattymo | xarses, yes, but custom isos will be more interesting. final releases are not a big problem | 16:22 |
angdraug | and now we've combined all our containers into a single package, exact opposite... | 16:22 |
xarses | mattymo: hmm, make the startup process get the specific container hash... | 16:22 |
mattymo | it was a tarball. now it's a tarball in a package | 16:22 |
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mattymo | xarses, even more metadata to bundle into iso outside of an RPM. that adds even greater complexity | 16:23 |
xarses | yep | 16:23 |
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aglarendil | folks, it was a part of discussion several months ago - you should have raised your voices then, not now | 16:23 |
mihgen | aglarendil: nurla: so how did we verufy that everything is packaged? | 16:24 |
angdraug | tarball in a package doesn't sound like a full effort | 16:24 |
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aglarendil | mihgen: Mike, there is a noop test for this | 16:24 |
mattymo | angdraug, I was referring to implementation of registry local on Fuel Master instead of exported and compressed images | 16:24 |
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aglarendil | also, if we miss anything, we will be able to ship this stuff in a package later - there is no risk | 16:25 |
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mihgen | ok thanks | 16:25 |
angdraug | also no mention of fuel-docker-images in the patching spec | 16:26 |
xarses | moving on? | 16:26 |
angdraug | ok | 16:26 |
xarses | lets follow up on the ML about it | 16:26 |
xarses | #action follow up on the ML about possible improvements to fuel-docker-image packaging | 16:27 |
xarses | #topic role-as-a-plugin (ikalnitsky) | 16:27 |
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maximov | QA implemented a few test jobs for fuel-* repos first of all for library, and they run tests for master node packages and other part of library | 16:27 |
ikalnitsky | ok, guys, honestly i don't have much info to share. all i can say that we have started thinking about scope | 16:27 |
maximov | sorry it was previous topic | 16:27 |
ikalnitsky | and Andrii Popovich have started writing a spec | 16:27 |
ikalnitsky | here's the link | 16:27 |
ikalnitsky | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185267/ | 16:28 |
ikalnitsky | unfortunately, i didn't review it yet.. and i ask you guys to review it when you got free time. | 16:28 |
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ikalnitsky | in brief, i can highlight some statements. | 16:28 |
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ikalnitsky | first, plugin-as-a-role is about exporting some role with disk partitioning and deployment tasks | 16:29 |
ikalnitsky | second, this blueprint is not about changing deployment tasks of other roles. i.e. the plugin won't able to remove some tasks from compute (if we have node with both role) | 16:30 |
ikalnitsky | that's it. | 16:30 |
ikalnitsky | questions? | 16:30 |
mihgen | ikalnitsky: what about network roles? | 16:30 |
xarses | so will the plugin role's tasks be included in the normal deployment graph or still be limited to pre / and post deployment? | 16:30 |
ikalnitsky | xarses, it will be included in normal deployment graph | 16:30 |
alex_didenko | cool | 16:31 |
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mihgen | if you can insert it in deployment graph (which is cool), why can't we override/remove some tasks then? | 16:31 |
ikalnitsky | mihgen, we don't consider network-role-as-plugin. i thinks it's another story and it should be implemented after advanced networking | 16:31 |
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ikalnitsky | we can't remove task because it requires to inject some python code | 16:32 |
ikalnitsky | currently, plugins unable to do it | 16:32 |
xarses | ikalnitsky: we need to implement them together | 16:32 |
ikalnitsky | because of many reasons | 16:32 |
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xarses | ikalnitsky: we will need to think of DSL to replace / and remove other tasks if this role provides it | 16:32 |
ikalnitsky | i think it should be done in separate blueprint.. i mean python code in plugins | 16:32 |
mihgen | xarses: you'd need core to have functionality before you can write plugin using it | 16:32 |
mattymo | maybe you can do it such that a plugin can override a specific task? | 16:32 |
xarses | for example the a role as a plugin would provide rabbitmq | 16:33 |
mattymo | just like a hierarchy where plugin tasks have higher priority | 16:33 |
xarses | it must be able to remove rabbitmq task from controller role | 16:33 |
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ikalnitsky | hm.. you propose to override it by name? | 16:33 |
ikalnitsky | or remove it by name? | 16:33 |
xarses | maybe provide the same name | 16:33 |
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xarses | and that it's in the graph somewhere may be OK. | 16:34 |
ikalnitsky | i didn't thought about it.. but at first glance the idea about overriding tasks by name looks ok | 16:34 |
ikalnitsky | but i don't know our current limitations. | 16:35 |
mihgen | ikalnitsky: take a look please.. it can help our partners a lot | 16:35 |
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xarses | I think we might have to change the tasks slightly so that all tasks are evaluated at the same time regardless of role so that many roles may be orchestrated at once | 16:35 |
ikalnitsky | mihgen, yep, i'll | 16:35 |
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mihgen | moving on? | 16:36 |
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xarses | #topic flexible(advanced) networking feature status (akasatkin) | 16:37 |
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akasatkin | Hi | 16:37 |
akasatkin | Design is in progress. It is mostly clear what tasks are to be done within this feature. | 16:37 |
akasatkin | It was proposed recently to change some relations (network role is connected to task instead of node role, network roles definitions are stored in manifests instead of nailgun). There were discussions on that. I hope most questions will be finally solved on Monday (we have a meeting arranged). | 16:37 |
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akasatkin | It was a discussion on Admin-PXE network limitations also (Admin-PXE role is always mapped to it, it cannot be deleted or moved, it cannot be included to lacp bond). It is not a design limitation though. It will be described in metadata and can be adjusted. It can be removed completely after appropriate testing of the final implementation. Library team is not sure we can just drop these limitations right now. | 16:37 |
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akasatkin | We are going to start (hopefully tomorrow) implementation of the first part: move existing (and planned) vanila network cases into one (with Neutron ML2 agent). So, there will be an ability to have several VLAN/VxLAN/GRE backends in one env. It will not cover UI for the first time. | 16:37 |
akasatkin | Spec is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115340/ . Basic considerations on DB scheme and new API are in spec already. Tasks are defined, some of them can be solved in parallel (in nailgun part). Welcome to review. It is not yet addressed there that network role is connected to task (ETA - Tuesday). | 16:38 |
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akasatkin | Questions? | 16:38 |
xarses | thanks | 16:38 |
mihgen | thanks akasatkin. | 16:39 |
mihgen | I was thinking about what network roles to create and where to reuse | 16:39 |
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mihgen | so I think that if your deployment task provides any service, like rabbitmq, then you must create a new network role for it | 16:40 |
mihgen | if your deployment task just consumes the services (like olso client to rabbit) - you just refer to the existing network role | 16:40 |
xenolog | Yes, by design each, plugin should have ability add amount of new network roles. | 16:40 |
mihgen | so corresponding network would be created at the place where you need to consume the services | 16:40 |
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mihgen | another thing which just came up, and we will have meeting tomorrow on this | 16:41 |
mihgen | is that deployment task may require different sets of network roles | 16:41 |
mihgen | depends on some other metadata, for instance checkbox on settings tab | 16:41 |
mihgen | set*, not sets | 16:42 |
akasatkin | actually, networks will be set up once for he entire node, xenolog ? | 16:42 |
mihgen | so we need to think how to better handle this | 16:42 |
akasatkin | yes, there are choises here | 16:42 |
xenolog | each task should has list of NetworkRoles, that will be used. | 16:42 |
ikalnitsky | maybe if the task require various amount of sets then it should be decompose into few tasks ? | 16:43 |
ikalnitsky | s/sets/netroles/g | 16:43 |
mihgen | so it's gonna be same for plugin too: if you provide new service, then you'd need to create new network role and associate it with the task | 16:43 |
mihgen | if your plugin just consumes some service, you'd need to refer to existing network role which is gonna be created by the provider-task | 16:44 |
ikalnitsky | that's why folks want to expose a requires network roles in tasks. that means, we can get it from plugins with the same mechanism. | 16:44 |
mihgen | ikalnitsky: we thought about it. decomposition is unlikely to happen | 16:44 |
mihgen | you may have large puppet module | 16:44 |
mihgen | and it will be duplication of code | 16:44 |
ikalnitsky | we can decompose in on "tasks.yaml" level | 16:45 |
mihgen | it's gonna be quite hard to separate in many cases | 16:45 |
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ikalnitsky | just two different declaration with different conditions | 16:45 |
mihgen | let's talk tomorrow more about it. are you invited to the call? | 16:45 |
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ikalnitsky | nope | 16:45 |
mihgen | ok, I'll send invite | 16:45 |
ikalnitsky | thanks | 16:45 |
akasatkin | conditions are in release, far from tasks definition though.. | 16:45 |
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akasatkin | i mean it is additional work to sync them | 16:46 |
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mihgen | yeah we need to figure this out. I kinda have general concept in my mind, but not sure how it will lay down on what we have and what I'm not aware of | 16:47 |
mihgen | moving on folks? 13min left.. | 16:47 |
mattymo | +1 moving on | 16:47 |
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xarses | #topic Granular deployment enhancements feature status (mattymo) - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/detach-components-from-controllers | 16:47 |
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mattymo | thanks xarses | 16:47 |
mattymo | So, expanding granular deployment is meant to meet the needs of users with massively scaled deployments. This means creating custom roles for deployment where controller services are split across 2 or more distinct node roles. | 16:48 |
mattymo | For example, keystone and horizon on one role, but nova/cinder/glance/neutron/ceilometer/heat on another. | 16:48 |
mattymo | adidenko started work on this for a little while already. I'm coming on board starting on this week, so now it's just a matter of scoping and understanding all the tasks. Right now, he's working on unmarrying all the services to the "controller" role, so that they can be deployed independently as a granular task. | 16:48 |
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mattymo | So far, we've found 2 issues that slow implementation here. One is the role-as-plugin, which I found out just now is underway | 16:48 |
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mihgen | why it's related? | 16:49 |
mihgen | role-as-plugin? | 16:49 |
mattymo | the other is the constraint for "at least one controller" - which is a problem if you now have these new foo1 and foo2 roles that split controller role | 16:49 |
mattymo | it's related because we can't define custom roles as a plugin. it must be done with a yaml and fuel cli command | 16:49 |
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mattymo | it's not stopping development, just making it a little less accessible to users | 16:50 |
mattymo | but now there's this other feature, so that covers it | 16:50 |
xarses | mattymo: afaict the restriction is simply in the release yaml, we could prepare / modify the release yaml to remove it | 16:50 |
mihgen | mattymo: understand. But we can provide set of yamls / set of commands to the user, right? | 16:50 |
alex_didenko | in the scope of our BP we only add possibility to detach compontents, but real detachment should be done in plugins | 16:50 |
alex_didenko | so they're kind of connected | 16:50 |
xarses | the bigger issue i had when removing the 'controller' role is that there is some bad lookups done for it | 16:50 |
mattymo | xarses, we're going to address that piece by piece | 16:51 |
xarses | in other manifests, like compute | 16:51 |
mihgen | mattymo: second issue you referred, at least one controller - are we in sync with nailgun folks to remove this restriction? | 16:51 |
mattymo | mihgen, nope | 16:51 |
mihgen | for such granular cases | 16:51 |
mattymo | I am still gathering all requirements to present to python team | 16:51 |
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alex_didenko | we have a workaround for it to patch a live Fuel master node :) | 16:51 |
xarses | mihgen: in this case, i think this is a plugin is allowed to update data in the release | 16:52 |
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xarses | maybe strange | 16:52 |
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mihgen | alex_didenko: let's get someone from python team to merge it into master.. | 16:52 |
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xarses | moving on? | 16:53 |
sbog | +1 | 16:53 |
alex_didenko | we'll take care of that, Matt witll gather a list of reqs | 16:53 |
alex_didenko | one sec | 16:53 |
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alex_didenko | Using patches from detach-components-from-controllers blueprint and Hiera overrides we were able to deploy rabbitmq+mysql separately in its own corosync cluster. Also we were able to deploy and run the following controller services separately from rabbitmq/mysql/keystone: nova, cinder, heat, ceilometer, neutron. Currently we're working on: keystone, horizon, glance and swift. Some of them are on review already with WIP tag. | 16:53 |
alex_didenko | now we can move on :) | 16:53 |
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xarses | #topic SSL feature status | 16:53 |
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sbog | Hello again folks | 16:54 |
sbog | As long as we decide mostly all about the scope, I write some code. | 16:54 |
sbog | ssl for master node - PoC done (need a rewrite to generate cert with some domain name in CN) | 16:54 |
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mihgen | thanks alex_didenko, excellent progress! | 16:54 |
sbog | ssl for openstack endpoints - keys generation PoC done (need rewrite astute part a little to push public VIP key hostname in CN, in plans to done it on this week) | 16:54 |
sbog | keys distribution done, nodes haproxy new module that support SSL done and adapting it done | 16:54 |
sbog | patches to create https public endpoints in keystone for most of services (all w/o sahara, ceilometer, murano) done | 16:54 |
sbog | code that apply ssl to haproxy public VIP done | 16:54 |
sbog | UI part mostly done (need to add one field to point public VIP hostname - easy task, I work on it now, need to add field to upload user certs - I asked Vitaly K., he said that it will cost about one and half week to be done) | 16:54 |
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sbog | Also some tweaks for haproxy and nginx that will exclude not-safe ssl mechs need to be done | 16:54 |
mihgen | sbog: so do we allow a user to upload his certs? | 16:55 |
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sbog | Yes, I spoke with UI team about it - they will do patch to UI, I'll write logic to check user cert | 16:55 |
alex_didenko | where exactly do we terminate SSL for endpoints? in haproxy? | 16:55 |
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sbog | Yes, in HAProxy | 16:56 |
sbog | It is only one scalable solution, actually | 16:56 |
alex_didenko | ok, thanks | 16:56 |
mihgen | sbog: sounds great. and there is gonna be an option to use self-generated certs, and do I understand right that you already have a code for it ((need rewrite astute part a little to push public VIP … ) | 16:56 |
sbog | Terminate SSL on OpenStack services is bad idea now - it is not scalable | 16:56 |
sbog | Yes, I already have code for generate selg-signed certs | 16:57 |
mihgen | sbog: in 7.0 we would get keystone behind of apache, would it make any impact on your work? | 16:57 |
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sbog | I need some from astute part for done it - and I work on it right now. | 16:57 |
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sbog | I don't think so | 16:57 |
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xarses | moving on? | 16:57 |
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sbog | couple sec | 16:57 |
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sbog | We can push ssl certs on apache for keystone - it should work ok too, so there is no problem, I think | 16:58 |
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alex_didenko | keystone is behind haproxy so moving it under apache won't affect SSL | 16:58 |
dstanek | sbog: can't use of the terminators like stud? | 16:58 |
sbog | We can, yes. Tests said that stud work well, actually | 16:58 |
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sbog | But we already have HAproxy, so I decide to not add complexity | 16:59 |
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mihgen | dstanek: any specif benefit of using it? | 16:59 |
angdraug | time | 16:59 |
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angdraug | lets move to #fuel-dev | 16:59 |
dstanek | mihgen: simplicity | 17:00 |
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xarses | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 4 17:00:10 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-06-04-16.02.html | 17:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-06-04-16.02.txt | 17:00 |
mihgen | thanks folks | 17:00 |
xarses | thanks guys | 17:00 |
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openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-06-04-16.02.log.html | 17:00 |
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hyakuhei | #startmeeting Security | 17:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 4 17:01:18 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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tmcpeak | o/ | 17:01 |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:01 |
tkelsey | o/ | 17:01 |
hyakuhei | o/ | 17:01 |
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bknudson | hi | 17:01 |
elmiko | yo/ | 17:01 |
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sicarie | o/ | 17:01 |
singlethink | o/ | 17:01 |
michaelxin | o/ | 17:01 |
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dwyde | o/ | 17:02 |
mvaldes | o/ | 17:02 |
gmurphy | \o/ | 17:02 |
michaelxin | mvaldes: welcome | 17:02 |
timkennedy | o/ | 17:02 |
chair6 | o/ | 17:02 |
dstanek | hiya | 17:02 |
tkelsey | lots of people today :) | 17:02 |
hyakuhei | Popular place to be :) | 17:02 |
warpc__ | hi | 17:02 |
michaelxin | cool | 17:02 |
elmiko | hyakuhei: yea, seriously! | 17:03 |
hyakuhei | Ok so agenda wise, lets run through the projects and then see what time we’ve got left for other business | 17:03 |
hyakuhei | sicarie: Can you update on docs? | 17:03 |
sicarie | Sure | 17:03 |
hyakuhei | #topic Security Guide | 17:03 |
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sicarie | Current bug list: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack/+bugs?field.tag=sec-guide | 17:03 |
mvaldes | michaelxin: thanks | 17:03 |
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hyakuhei | Anything stand out as being either a) low hanging fruit or b) really hard where you’d like a SME to help? | 17:04 |
sicarie | We've skipped a few secguide meetings due to the summit, but overall we're doing good work on getting the guide back in shape | 17:04 |
sicarie | Yes - a) should have a tag, I'll pull that in a minue | 17:04 |
sicarie | for b) any reviews on content for the Compute, Networking, and Dashboard chapters would be awesome | 17:05 |
michaelxin | sicarie: do you need help with reviews? | 17:05 |
sicarie | michaelxin: always :) | 17:05 |
elmiko | +1 | 17:05 |
sicarie | We did just bring on a new core to the secguide | 17:06 |
sicarie | Congrats to elmiko | 17:06 |
elmiko | \o/ | 17:06 |
sicarie | And thanks for the great review work - please keep it up! | 17:06 |
michaelxin | cong | 17:06 |
tkelsey | awesome | 17:06 |
tmcpeak | congrats elmiko! well deserved | 17:06 |
bknudson | congrats to elmiko | 17:06 |
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elmiko | thanks everyone =) | 17:06 |
elmiko | i do have a question about some firewall stuff we talked about | 17:07 |
elmiko | we had mentioned creating some sample firewalld xmls and Ubuntu based helper files | 17:07 |
elmiko | for openstack services | 17:07 |
elmiko | but we hadn't figured out a good place for those to live, any thoughts? | 17:07 |
timkennedy | openstack wiki? | 17:07 |
hyakuhei | Seems we might want them to live in gerrit somewhere | 17:08 |
hyakuhei | so they can be easily vetted/updated | 17:08 |
tkelsey | +1 for versioning | 17:08 |
elmiko | that's a good start, i think we were talking about trying to fit them in the docs somewhere, if it makes sense. | 17:08 |
singlethink | In some project's contrib directory? | 17:08 |
elmiko | the installers manual has a list of all ports, i wonder if we could have an appendix in the sec-guide with this content? | 17:09 |
timkennedy | are the samples going to be maintained code, or just samples? | 17:09 |
sicarie | Yeah, I think those may version interestingly, we might want to link to a repo from the secguide? | 17:09 |
elmiko | i think maintained would be cool | 17:09 |
tkelsey | elmiko: yeah, feels like good appendix material | 17:09 |
timkennedy | then version control and a link in the sec-guide | 17:09 |
michaelxin | +1 for gerrit | 17:09 |
elmiko | awesome, thanks. sicarie we can talk more about it in the next meeting maybe? | 17:10 |
sicarie | elmiko: sounds good | 17:10 |
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sicarie | hyakuhei: I think that's about all I had for docs | 17:10 |
hyakuhei | Thanks sicarie | 17:10 |
hyakuhei | #topic OSSN | 17:10 |
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hyakuhei | There’s 7 OSSN outstanding atm | 17:10 |
hyakuhei | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn | 17:10 |
tkelsey | hyakuhei: in review, or needing to be written ? | 17:11 |
hyakuhei | Various states | 17:11 |
tkelsey | kk | 17:11 |
hyakuhei | Four new | 17:11 |
hyakuhei | Hmmm, five | 17:11 |
hyakuhei | Some easy ones, some harder | 17:11 |
elmiko | i could take a swag at one of the easier ones =D | 17:12 |
hyakuhei | If anyone’s looking for a way in to the Security project, these are a great start | 17:12 |
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hyakuhei | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/+bug/1451931 looks fairly boilerplate. | 17:12 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1451931 in OpenStack Security Notes "ironic password config not marked as secret" [Undecided,New] | 17:12 |
michaelxin | I will help one for sure. | 17:12 |
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timkennedy | noted | 17:13 |
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elmiko | cool | 17:13 |
hyakuhei | ok, next up we’ve got the developer guidance | 17:13 |
hyakuhei | #topic Developer Guidance | 17:14 |
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tmcpeak | content wise these are fairly stead state | 17:14 |
hyakuhei | Not much has happened here but I just wanted to thank gmurphy for the work he did to get this ready for the summit | 17:14 |
hyakuhei | #link https://security.openstack.org | 17:14 |
tmcpeak | gmurphy: ++ | 17:14 |
tkelsey | so I have started adding some docs to bandit tests, there was some discussion of overlap between that and the dev guidance | 17:14 |
tmcpeak | have we announced these on the ML? | 17:14 |
hyakuhei | Not formally no, good idea tmcpeak | 17:15 |
tmcpeak | cool | 17:15 |
tmcpeak | gmurphy: is there any way we can access page views on them? | 17:15 |
tmcpeak | to see how used or not they are? | 17:15 |
tkelsey | I intent to keep bandit docs very short and link to all relevant guidance. If any stuff comes out of that that is missing in the guidance stuff I'll start adding it | 17:15 |
hyakuhei | tkelsey: interesting | 17:15 |
tmcpeak | yeah, tkelsey - that's great work | 17:16 |
gmurphy | tmpeak: not currently afaik | 17:16 |
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tkelsey | thanks tmcpeak im working up some general docs as well | 17:16 |
hyakuhei | #topic Bandit | 17:16 |
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hyakuhei | tkelsey: tmcpeak et al - update? | 17:16 |
tkelsey | i can take that | 17:17 |
tkelsey | we have had a lot of very awesome stuff landing this week :) | 17:17 |
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tkelsey | thanks to all who have contributed, we now have python 3 support and a python 3 voting gate test | 17:17 |
hyakuhei | woot | 17:17 |
tmcpeak | sigmavirus24 has been throwing up patches like a madman :) | 17:17 |
tkelsey | the py3 work is from sigmavirus24 :) so shout outs for that | 17:18 |
michaelxin | +1 | 17:18 |
bknudson | we need a release of bandit then I can change keystone tox.ini to use py34 instead | 17:18 |
gmurphy | have to say the xml / jenkins stuff is pretty neat. so good stuff whoever wrote that. | 17:18 |
tkelsey | bknudson: noted | 17:18 |
tkelsey | gmurphy: +1 yes it is | 17:18 |
tmcpeak | for those that haven't seen it: http://vdwaa.nl/bandit/python/security/jenkins/openstack-bandit-jenkins-integration/ | 17:18 |
tmcpeak | written by Jelle - who recently contributed Jenkins output support | 17:19 |
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tkelsey | oh tmcpeak interesting I hadn't seen that :) | 17:19 |
michaelxin | great | 17:19 |
hyakuhei | excellent. make sure you tell that guy when this gets pinned in a release so he can update his writeup | 17:19 |
tmcpeak | hyakuhei: +1 | 17:20 |
tkelsey | so yeah, I think thats the highlights from this week in bandit land, thanks again everyone, we will update people with release plans and so forth as we have the, | 17:20 |
tkelsey | *them | 17:20 |
hyakuhei | #topic Anchor | 17:20 |
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hyakuhei | Not much to report here | 17:20 |
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hyakuhei | Though I’d like CatHead to be considered for inclusion as a Security project | 17:21 |
tkelsey | Anchor continues to improve, we have had some quality improving patches and a new blacklist validator it in the works | 17:21 |
hyakuhei | #link https://github.com/takac/cathead | 17:21 |
tkelsey | hyakuhei: +1 | 17:21 |
hyakuhei | It’s like Certmonger but not horrible. | 17:21 |
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hyakuhei | Any objections? | 17:22 |
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hyakuhei | Cool | 17:23 |
tkelsey | no objections +lots from me :) I would like to se that happen | 17:23 |
hyakuhei | Me too | 17:23 |
hyakuhei | Ok so that covers everything I was hoping to today | 17:23 |
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hyakuhei | #topic Any other business | 17:23 |
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elmiko | a followup from last weeks action item, | 17:24 |
tmcpeak | I'm going to be working with Donald Stufft to make some short term improvements to PyPI | 17:24 |
tmcpeak | we're going to get brute force prevention and email notification for package uploads | 17:24 |
tkelsey | tmcpeak: cool :) | 17:24 |
tmcpeak | stay tyned | 17:24 |
tmcpeak | *tuned | 17:24 |
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tkelsey | whe aye man, i'll stay tyned :P | 17:24 |
hyakuhei | Excellent | 17:24 |
elmiko | i've been digging into gabbi (https://github.com/cdent/gabbi) as a possible tool to use for fuzzing like servers | 17:25 |
tmcpeak | lol | 17:25 |
michaelxin | i did check https://github.com/cdent/gabbi by grabbing the source code and play with it too. | 17:25 |
hyakuhei | Oh that’s interesting | 17:25 |
michaelxin | elmiko: +1 | 17:25 |
tmcpeak | elmiko: awesome | 17:25 |
elmiko | i think it might need some changes to the way it handles tests, as they are all in yaml files now | 17:25 |
tmcpeak | looking forward to messing around with this | 17:25 |
elmiko | but i've been talking with cdent about possible generator types for the test creation | 17:25 |
elmiko | i am curious about the different types of fuzzing we will want, is it going to be mainly url type stuff, or json payloads as well? | 17:26 |
tmcpeak | I'd think both would be awesome | 17:26 |
michaelxin | the check of responses will be interesting and challenging | 17:26 |
hyakuhei | Raw fuzzing won’t get us too far I don’t think | 17:27 |
elmiko | michaelxin: agreed | 17:27 |
michaelxin | it depends on what do we want to make this tool work | 17:27 |
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michaelxin | we can make it fuzz randomly like chaos monkey | 17:27 |
elmiko | ok, so i've been looking at how we could create small pieces of python to define the fuzz test we want. i agree with michaelxin, figuring out what type of response we want may be challenging. | 17:27 |
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michaelxin | or do we want it to become a smart monkey by telling us what defects it detects. | 17:28 |
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elmiko | imo, for each test, if we know the output, then we could start to generate a fuzzed set of inputs and just check them all as it does the testing. | 17:28 |
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elmiko | that's how i've been approaching it | 17:29 |
tkelsey | its an interesting area of investigation, maybe we should get something mocked up to kick the tires a bit | 17:29 |
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michaelxin | tkelsey: +1 | 17:29 |
elmiko | tmcpeak: that sounds good | 17:29 |
tmcpeak | tkelsey: +1, would make it easier to know when we've got what we want | 17:29 |
michaelxin | need spend sometime working on some POC | 17:29 |
elmiko | er, tkelsey sorry | 17:29 |
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hyakuhei | As we’re dealing with a predominantely python environment I think we’ll get much more mileage out of something that looks at odd combinations of API requests, oddness in JSON etc | 17:30 |
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hyakuhei | Fuzzing logic as apposed to trying to break parsers ala binary fuzzing | 17:30 |
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elmiko | when you say "odd combinations...", is that to say like thrashing the server? | 17:30 |
tkelsey | I would imagine things like send responses before requests, that sort of thing | 17:31 |
hyakuhei | Things that are logically incosistent | 17:31 |
michaelxin | That's why it is better to do fuzzy with QA knowledge about the product. | 17:31 |
elmiko | ah, cool | 17:31 |
elmiko | michaelxin: yea, if i do a poc it will most likely be against sahara | 17:31 |
michaelxin | a generic fuzzier does not know much about the project | 17:31 |
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michaelxin | elmiko: +1 | 17:31 |
tkelsey | that sounds sensible | 17:31 |
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elmiko | cool, sounds good to me =) | 17:32 |
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hyakuhei | Jolly good. | 17:32 |
hyakuhei | Anything else to discuss today folks ? | 17:33 |
michaelxin | I am good | 17:33 |
hyakuhei | Great! | 17:33 |
tkelsey | nothing from me, other than to say thanks for all the patches this week again :) | 17:33 |
timkennedy | new guy here. | 17:33 |
timkennedy | Tim Kennedy, ops guy with some dev experience. I'm particularly interested in secure multi-tenancy in openstack, and regulatory compliance (FISMA, DIACAP, etc). Hoping to contribute to Openstack security in that direction. | 17:33 |
gmurphy | kind of related to fuzzing - it might be worth looking at which projects aren't using json schema validation e.g https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/v3-api-schema and trying to help them define one? | 17:33 |
timkennedy | hi. nice to meet you all. | 17:33 |
gmurphy | (that spec is complete) | 17:33 |
elmiko | hi timkennedy | 17:33 |
hyakuhei | So one thing to note, I’ll be travelling this time next week so I’ll need someone else to run the meeting please? | 17:33 |
hyakuhei | Hi timkennedy welcome! | 17:34 |
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tkelsey | timkennedy: welcome :) I spotted a few reviews coming in from you, thanks! | 17:34 |
hyakuhei | +1 | 17:34 |
timkennedy | hi. thanks! | 17:34 |
hyakuhei | ok I think that’s a wrap people. Thank you for joining! | 17:34 |
hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 17:34 |
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bknudson | thanks | 17:34 |
openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 4 17:34:57 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:34 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-06-04-17.01.html | 17:35 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-06-04-17.01.txt | 17:35 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-06-04-17.01.log.html | 17:35 |
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amitgandhinz | #startmeeting Poppy Weekly Meeting | 19:04 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 4 19:04:42 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amitgandhinz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:04 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:04 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:04 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'poppy_weekly_meeting' | 19:04 |
amitgandhinz | #topic rollcall | 19:04 |
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malini | o/ | 19:04 |
sriram | o/ \o | 19:04 |
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tonytan4ever | o/ | 19:05 |
cathR | o/ | 19:05 |
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amitgandhinz | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Poppy | 19:06 |
amitgandhinz | No items from last week | 19:07 |
amitgandhinz | #topic Blueprints and Bugs | 19:07 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Blueprints and Bugs (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:07 | |
* amitgandhinz must create an L series! | 19:07 | |
sriram | we are in Liberty cycle right now, correct? | 19:08 |
amitgandhinz | ya | 19:08 |
amitgandhinz | i need to release the K3 package and groom L | 19:08 |
amitgandhinz | been way too busy | 19:08 |
malini | & I cant even say wht quarter we are in:/ | 19:08 |
sriram | lol | 19:08 |
amitgandhinz | Q2 malini | 19:08 |
malini | thx :) | 19:09 |
amitgandhinz | ok any one have updates on any of these blueprints? | 19:09 |
amitgandhinz | i have a suspicion its no different to last week | 19:09 |
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malini | amitgandhinz: u mean we are slacking? | 19:10 |
amitgandhinz | #link https://launchpad.net/poppy/+milestone/kilo-3 | 19:10 |
amitgandhinz | yes | 19:10 |
amitgandhinz | ok i need to clean all this up with relevant priorities so we can have meaningful meetings | 19:11 |
sriram | I still need to add the pig files for log delivery. | 19:11 |
sriram | can we make that an action item. | 19:11 |
sriram | I'll get that done soon. | 19:11 |
amitgandhinz | #action sriram to add pig files to repo for log delivery | 19:11 |
sriram | thanks | 19:11 |
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amitgandhinz | #action amitgandhinz to release K package | 19:12 |
amitgandhinz | @action amitgandhinz to groom L1 series | 19:12 |
amitgandhinz | #action amitgandhinz to groom L1 series | 19:12 |
amitgandhinz | #topic Open Discussion | 19:13 |
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amitgandhinz | any thing to discuss ... else im going to use the rest of this time to groom L | 19:13 |
malini | groom amitgandhinz | 19:13 |
slackorama | hey, i'm from edgecast and wanted to just say hello. | 19:13 |
malini | hello slackorama! | 19:13 |
sriram | slackorama: hey there | 19:13 |
amitgandhinz | slackorama: hi ya! welcome! | 19:13 |
slackorama | and that i'm starting work on our poppy integration. | 19:13 |
malini | I love ur nick ;) | 19:13 |
amitgandhinz | oh that is awesome | 19:13 |
tonytan4ever | welcome | 19:13 |
malini | woot | 19:13 |
amitgandhinz | how can we help slackorama? | 19:14 |
slackorama | take all this other crap off my plate that i have to do? trying to squeeze it in between other projects. | 19:14 |
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amitgandhinz | slackorama: haha i have the same issue | 19:15 |
slackorama | I'm just starting to read the docs and get things up and running so I'll probably need help later. now I'm good. | 19:15 |
amitgandhinz | ok, let us know if you need help getting poppy up and running | 19:15 |
amitgandhinz | we are here to help | 19:15 |
slackorama | awesome. thanks. | 19:15 |
amitgandhinz | also, the docs may need some work, so will appreciate any feedback to make them better | 19:15 |
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sriram | hang out in the #openstack-poppy channel, we are always around. | 19:15 |
slackorama | roger. so just drop any issues I find in there? | 19:16 |
amitgandhinz | sometimes we make too many assumptions since we are in the thick of it and its always great to have new contributors find improvements =) | 19:16 |
slackorama | Consider me your guinea pig. :) | 19:16 |
amitgandhinz | thanks =D | 19:16 |
malini | tht is a dangerous stmt slackorama ;) | 19:16 |
sriram | hahha | 19:16 |
amitgandhinz | malini: now you really do need to build out these conformance tests ;-) | 19:17 |
malini | ok | 19:17 |
malini | I'll start seriously thinking abt it | 19:18 |
malini | & do some stuff shortly after the thinking :) | 19:18 |
amitgandhinz | ya, this will really help slackorama once the edgecast provider is building | 19:18 |
amitgandhinz | slackorama: fyi we are wanting to build abstract tests that work across provider drivers to ensure they meet the requirements | 19:19 |
malini | I will work with slackorama to figure out wht will help a new provider the most | 19:19 |
slackorama | thanks! | 19:19 |
amitgandhinz | basically making sure ttl's are actually set, purges actually work, etc | 19:19 |
amitgandhinz | from an end user perspective | 19:19 |
malini | we probably need to clean up the end to end tests to be provider agnostic | 19:19 |
amitgandhinz | ya | 19:20 |
sriram | +1 | 19:20 |
tonytan4ever | +1 | 19:20 |
amitgandhinz | ok any thing else anyone wants to talk about? | 19:20 |
tonytan4ever | Nothing from me. | 19:21 |
sriram | I'm done. | 19:21 |
malini | me too | 19:21 |
slackorama | Nothing here. Thanks for the welcome and offer of help. | 19:21 |
sriram | slackorama: see you in the poppy channel :) | 19:21 |
malini | slackorama: we are excited to get an edgecast driver :) | 19:21 |
amitgandhinz | ok thanks everyone. i promise to tidy up the blueprints etc to provide better focus for these meetings | 19:21 |
slackorama | malini: You aren't the only one. | 19:22 |
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amitgandhinz | later. | 19:22 |
amitgandhinz | #endmeeting | 19:22 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 4 19:22:52 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:22 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-06-04-19.04.html | 19:22 |
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openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-06-04-19.04.txt | 19:22 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-06-04-19.04.log.html | 19:22 |
tonytan4ever | clear | 19:23 |
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