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| dims_ | #startmeeting oslo | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 8 15:59:59 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dims_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| sileht | o/ | 16:00 |
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| dims_ | our agenda: | 16:00 |
| dims_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo | 16:00 |
| ihrachyshka | o/ | 16:00 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 16:00 |
| dims_ | courtesy ping for jd__, dhellmann, bnemec, flaper87, harlowja, viktors, rpodolyaka, zzzeek, sileht, kgiusti, dansmith, kragniz, amotoki, lintan, toabctl | 16:00 |
| dims_ | courtesy ping for redrobot, jungleboyj, zhiyan, therve, amotoki, GheRivero, bknudson, ihrachyshka, jogo, dougwig, sreshetnyak, amrith,haypo, johnsom | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | yo yo | 16:00 |
| redrobot | o/ | 16:00 |
| bknudson | hi | 16:00 |
| ozamiatin | o/ | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:00 |
| kragniz | o/ | 16:00 |
| jecarey | o/ | 16:00 |
| bnemec | o/ | 16:00 |
| Alec | o/ | 16:00 |
| jd__ | o/ | 16:01 |
| johnsom | o/ | 16:01 |
| dims_ | giving another min for those who are still enjoying their weekend :) | 16:01 |
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| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:02 |
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| zzzeek | \o | 16:02 |
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| dims_ | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:02 |
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| bknudson | for keystone, I don't think we'll be able to switch from timeutils.isotime | 16:03 |
| dims_ | so we had a couple of hiccups with isotime (one in oslo.serialization with nova and another in keystone with oslo.utils). are there other issues? | 16:03 |
| bknudson | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189147/ | 16:03 |
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| dims_ | jd__: ^^ i am leaning towards bknudson's and ayoung's pov to undeprecate for those uses where they are sticking the timestamp into a token and that can't change | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | :( | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | should we deprecate the deprecation ? | 16:04 |
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| flaper87 | o/ | 16:04 |
| flaper87 | (as in, I'm here) | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | ^ was a joke (mostly) | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | not flaper87 stuff (my own), ha | 16:05 |
| dims_ | harlowja_at_home: 2 messages instead of one? :) | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | Do two deprecations make a new feature? | 16:05 |
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| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:05 |
| jd__ | dims_: I don't think it's a good idea to maintain code because that encourage spreading malpractice | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | why double, when we could triple it! | 16:05 |
| dims_ | jd__: right, but then we don't want folks to copy it as they will | 16:06 |
| dims_ | bknudson: the main issue with keystone is that the unit tests check for deprecation and fail fast right? | 16:06 |
| jd__ | I prefer that they copy it and have that in their corner rather than continuing spreading the evil | 16:07 |
| bknudson | we need a standard format for timestamps, but isoformat has issues. | 16:07 |
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| jd__ | we should not maintain that code | 16:07 |
| dims_ | bknudson: what are the issues? (instead of going back to the old impl) | 16:07 |
| bknudson | one issue is that if the microseconds happens to be 0 it will not render the .microseconds | 16:08 |
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| bknudson | so you'll usually get H:M:S.micro but sometimes only get H:M:S | 16:08 |
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| dims_ | gotcha. | 16:08 |
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| bknudson | there may be other differences in the output, too. I didn't look closely. | 16:08 |
| dims_ | jd__: can we add a toggle for that? | 16:09 |
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| bknudson | I don't think we should be using deprecated code and having warnings in the logs. | 16:09 |
| bknudson | If it's going to be removed, we need to figure out eventually how to deal with it. | 16:10 |
| jd__ | dims_: that sounds "useless" but acceptable | 16:10 |
| dims_ | bknudson: how about we work offline on adding the 0's and bring it back to everyone if keystone folks still have an issue with the suggested replacement | 16:10 |
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| dims_ | jd__: customer is always right :) | 16:10 |
| bknudson | I'm not sure what's being proposed -- un-deprecate? | 16:10 |
| dims_ | bknudson: add support for 0's in isoformat | 16:11 |
| bknudson | isoformat is python stdlib | 16:11 |
| bknudson | monkeypatching? | 16:11 |
| bknudson | https://docs.python.org/2/library/datetime.html#datetime.datetime.isoformat | 16:12 |
| jd__ | yeah that means maintaining yet again a function for no gain | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | un-un-un-deprecate it :-P | 16:12 |
| bknudson | Is the format of isotime documented? | 16:12 |
| jd__ | I guess keystone can do that with their own function if they think it's useful? | 16:12 |
| jd__ | bknudson: you mean ISO8601? | 16:13 |
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| bknudson | the way I was proposing to do that is to copy isotime... we can clean it up since we've got a copy. | 16:13 |
| bknudson | but as you can see the other cores are none too happy | 16:14 |
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| bknudson | jd__: iso8601 allows all sorts of formats. | 16:14 |
| bknudson | you can have T or use a space... | 16:14 |
| jd__ | bknudson: that's a format with choices :) | 16:14 |
| jd__ | and you can have zeros or not too | 16:14 |
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| bknudson | looks like you can leave off the : | 16:15 |
| jd__ | do we want people to add .0 everywhere? I don't think so | 16:15 |
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| bknudson | you can leave off the seconds and minutes, too | 16:15 |
| dims_ | k so let's take this offline please | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | hmmm, anyone able to get the iso8601 spec from the iso folks :) | 16:16 |
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| dims_ | (after this meeting) | 16:16 |
| dims_ | any other issues from other liaisons? | 16:16 |
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| dims_ | #topic Releases for this week | 16:16 |
| dims_ | Do we neeed any releases? Here are the unreleased changes | 16:16 |
| dims_ | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/274337/ | 16:16 |
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| jungleboyj | No issues from Cinder. | 16:16 |
| dims_ | please look at the paste and let me and doug know. he can cut releases tomorrow | 16:17 |
| * harlowja_at_home should get a taskflow release out this week | 16:17 | |
| dims_ | harlowja_at_home: +1 | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | tooz maybe to jd__ ? | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | automaton and futurist maybe (when they are ready) | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | that'd be sweet | 16:17 |
| jd__ | next week I guess | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | k | 16:17 |
| toabctl | pbr would be good to unblock sphinx >= 1.3 (but I don't know if there are other blockers) | 16:18 |
| dims_ | lifeless: ^^ | 16:18 |
| dims_ | not sure if lifeless is around toabctl, will ping him when i see him | 16:18 |
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| dims_ | switching topics | 16:19 |
| toabctl | dims_: ok | 16:19 |
| dims_ | #topic New libraries and drivers - how is it going? | 16:19 |
| dims_ | #link specs - http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/oslo-specs/ | 16:19 |
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| dims_ | anyone doing oslo.service, oslo.cache, oslo.reports here today? | 16:19 |
| ozamiatin | I am updating the https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187338 | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | its going good i think (for my stuff) | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189041/ i think ironic will use, although that does start to bring up more questions around periodics in other projects... | 16:20 |
| dims_ | ozamiatin: cool | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | oslo.service will have the periodic code? | 16:20 |
| dims_ | harlowja_at_home: Need cores there or just reviews? for futurist/automaton | 16:20 |
| dims_ | y oslo.service will have the periodic code from what i remember | 16:21 |
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| harlowja_at_home | either or, that brings up another question, i have volunteers that wouldn't mind being core reviewers there (at least a guy from taskflow said he'd be ok with being a automaton core), whats the policy there | 16:21 |
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| harlowja_at_home | dims_, hmmm, k, maybe should talk with oslo.service folks, perhaps they can use https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189041/ | 16:22 |
| dims_ | harlowja_at_home: ping me please and we can send an email to the -dev list | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | k | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | from my memory the oslo.service periodic is tied to eventlet, this should decouple that | 16:23 |
| dims_ | harlowja_at_home: +1 to ping oslo.service folks (eezhova is not here i think) | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | cools | 16:23 |
| dims_ | k next up | 16:23 |
| dims_ | #topic Functional testing | 16:23 |
| dims_ | Any drivers need additional testing CI jobs? or help setting one up? | 16:23 |
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| sileht | harlowja_at_home, +1 for decoupling | 16:23 |
| dims_ | zzzeek: i saw something from fungi about alternate mysql driver | 16:24 |
| dims_ | on friday | 16:24 |
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| zzzeek | dims_: yes … i remember speaking to someone named fungi.... | 16:24 |
| dims_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184392/ | 16:24 |
| zzzeek | dims_: we’re just doing pymysql | 16:24 |
| zzzeek | dims_: oh right | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | sileht, cool (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189041/ has it running in threads/processes/ and greenthreads to!, freakin amazin!, ha) | 16:24 |
| zzzeek | dims_: oslo.db test suite was fialing in some places | 16:24 |
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| zzzeek | dims_: and i said, “id look at it” :) | 16:24 |
| dims_ | ok i told fungi that i'll ping you :) | 16:25 |
| zzzeek | dims_: OK so is this patch ready for me to go in and make it work ? | 16:25 |
| dims_ | zzzeek: i believe so and he was willing to help as well | 16:26 |
| zzzeek | dims_: OK. I just need to get the tests to pass shouldnt be too big a deal | 16:26 |
| zzzeek | dims_: different error messages, names, etc | 16:26 |
| dims_ | ack zzzeek | 16:26 |
| dims_ | kgiusti: sileht: ozamiatin: any additional CI for oslo.messaging? | 16:26 |
| kgiusti | dims_: flaper87 and I are still working towards amqp1 integration testing | 16:26 |
| zzzeek | dims_: I dont understnad his last comment “I know for a fact this is going to require some heavy changes to a lot of the opportunistic tests, but not sure what the plan is for the existing mysql-connector and mysql-python tests (keep them? remove them?).” | 16:27 |
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| kgiusti | dims_: we've got a new release of pyngus staged that will address some of the required dependency problems on proton | 16:27 |
| fungi | zzzeek: dims_: yep, i mostly didn't know how many alternate drivers we wanted to leave tests in for | 16:27 |
| fungi | so was looking for suggestions (or takeover if you prefer) | 16:27 |
| zzzeek | fungi: OK if those tests just run using mocked messages, no reason to just leave them in | 16:27 |
| zzzeek | fungi: er, there’s no reason to remove them | 16:28 |
| dims_ | kgiusti: nice | 16:28 |
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| zzzeek | fungi: ideally oslo.db shoudl run the same with any DBAPI | 16:28 |
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| dims_ | zzzeek, i had one more for you, were you able to run enginefacade with nova? | 16:29 |
| zzzeek | dims_: well that’s a port of the code. originally mbooth was working on it and rpodolyaka i thought indicated he’d give it some attention | 16:30 |
| kgiusti | dims_: fyi: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186671 | 16:30 |
| zzzeek | dims_: unless oyu mean, does nova as is work with the new oslo.db changes. | 16:30 |
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| kgiusti | dims_: also needs https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189287/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186671/ | 16:31 |
| rpodolyaka1 | dims_: zzzeek: haven't tried it with nova yet. reviewed patch to oslo.db today. I hope we'll merge it this week | 16:31 |
| dims_ | zzzeek: i had pointed out how to run nova with oslo.db master + pending oslo.db review. | 16:31 |
| dims_ | rpodolyaka1: ack | 16:31 |
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| zzzeek | dims_: yes, i was curious about that for when we start actualyl triyng to port nova | 16:32 |
| dims_ | kgiusti: ack will look at them later | 16:32 |
| dims_ | zzzeek: gotcha | 16:32 |
| dims_ | #topic Ongoing work & Review priorities | 16:32 |
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| zzzeek | dims_: mdbooth did a bunch of work on that and he might want to still be doing it, not sure | 16:32 |
| dims_ | zzzeek: ack | 16:32 |
| dims_ | Starting an etherpad for tracking priorities and focusing effort, i need help organizing it… | 16:33 |
| dims_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-oslo-priorities-tracking | 16:33 |
| harlowja_at_home | ah, new etherpad, sweet | 16:33 |
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| dims_ | Example from Nova - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-priorities-tracking | 16:33 |
| harlowja_at_home | man nova has a lot of work to do | 16:34 |
| dims_ | harlowja_at_home: as an experiment, let's see if it is useful or not | 16:34 |
| dims_ | haha | 16:34 |
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| dims_ | any suggestions? or help welcome. just jump in and make changes works too | 16:34 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims_, soooo should we have more categories | 16:34 |
| dims_ | ++ | 16:34 |
| harlowja_at_home | guess let's see | 16:35 |
| dims_ | k switching topics | 16:35 |
| dims_ | #topic Open discussion | 16:35 |
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| dims_ | floor is open | 16:35 |
| dims_ | i filed several reviews to sync projects to latest oslo-incubator and fix up openstack-common.conf - if you see one please take a look or feel free to take over | 16:36 |
| * harlowja_at_home can rant on about the new libraries, if people wonder wtf they are | 16:36 | |
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| harlowja_at_home | *rant == explain, ha | 16:36 |
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| dims_ | harlowja_at_home: go for it | 16:36 |
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| Alec | ozamiatin: what is the exact status of the coding for the new zmq driver? did you start coding pieces or it is just the spec in gerrit right now? | 16:37 |
| harlowja_at_home | so people probably wonder if they haven't seen wtf are automaton and/or futurist | 16:37 |
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| harlowja_at_home | sooo automaton is a state-machine library (contains the structure to make a state-machine and run it) | 16:37 |
| harlowja_at_home | ironic is using a copy of it (to be removed someday) and taskflow also | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | dims_: I am meaning to check into the syncs for Cinder. Hope to have some time this week. | 16:37 |
| ozamiatin | Alec: I have started to implement the first spec with REQ/REP which is already approved | 16:37 |
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| harlowja_at_home | jungleboyj, cinder i think might have a use for automaton to (but not sure) | 16:38 |
| dims_ | jungleboyj: thanks | 16:38 |
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| harlowja_at_home | i'll put up some examples of using it, but basically it allows u to define transitions, states, and movement between them | 16:38 |
| dims_ | ozamiatin: cool, if u need a feature branch we can ping dhellmann | 16:38 |
| harlowja_at_home | in ironic it is the thing powering http://docs.openstack.org/developer/ironic/dev/states.html (the diagram is created from the machine itself) | 16:38 |
| Alec | ozamiatin: quite a lot to do to finish your spec, I see someone +2 it already | 16:38 |
| Alec | and I barely started putting comments in there ;( | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | in taskflow it is the thing powering http://docs.openstack.org/developer/taskflow/states.html#engine | 16:39 |
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| ozamiatin | Alec, it's WIP status so it wouldn't be accidentally merged | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | so thats what automaton is :-P | 16:39 |
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| ozamiatin | Alec, feel free to put -1 if you disagree | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | people may have various usages of it, or some usages that i can't even think about! | 16:39 |
| toabctl | harlowja_at_home: is there already a pypi release for automation?or at least a git repo? | 16:40 |
| Alec | ozamiatin :I don't want to slow you down, if the plan is to make small steps and adjust I'm fine | 16:40 |
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| rpodolyaka1 | harlowja_at_home: is current state persisted somehow? or it's in-memory only? | 16:40 |
| harlowja_at_home | toabctl, why of course @ https://github.com/openstack/automaton | 16:40 |
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| harlowja_at_home | rpodolyaka, only in memory | 16:40 |
| rpodolyaka1 | harlowja_at_home: ack, thanks | 16:40 |
| ozamiatin | dims_, feature branch sounds good | 16:40 |
| harlowja_at_home | rpodolyaka, could be persisted somewhere, but thats a bigger scope, not impossible to do | 16:40 |
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| dims_ | ozamiatin: let's ping dhellmann tomorrow | 16:41 |
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| ozamiatin | dims_, ok | 16:41 |
| Alec | ozamiatin: I think adding more known ports could be a better approach if you do not want to see a name server, the fanout is a cause of concern for scale for me | 16:41 |
| Alec | ozamiatin: also the management of new nodes | 16:41 |
| rpodolyaka1 | harlowja_at_home: yeah, I was just thinking this could help us to make code more declarative in other places as well (like state of floating IPs, etc) | 16:41 |
| harlowja_at_home | rpodolyaka, def | 16:42 |
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| Alec | ozamiatin: what are the real forces pushing for zmq now that rabbitmq is solidly entrenched? This is goimg to be a long road | 16:42 |
| ozamiatin | Alec, fanout is a big topic actually. I think we need to build some small prototypes and test them to make a final decision | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | harlowja_at_home: I will take a look at your link and get back to you from a Cinder perspective. | 16:42 |
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| Alec | ozamiatin: have you considered true multicast at all? | 16:43 |
| harlowja_at_home | futurist @ https://github.com/openstack/futurist is right now a layer ontop of https://docs.python.org/3.4/library/concurrent.futures.html that adds things like a synchrnous executor (and a eventlet powered one to); with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189041/ it can also gain periodic running functionality | 16:43 |
| ozamiatin | Alec, do you mean PGM? | 16:43 |
| harlowja_at_home | jungleboyj, cool, i believe hemana was thinking about it somehow for all the state validation stuffs there | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | harlowja_at_home: Ah, ok. Good to know. | 16:43 |
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| Alec | ozamiatin: yes - unicasting for fanout could work at small scale but when you get to thousands of nodes that can be a rpoblem | 16:44 |
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| Alec | ozamiatin: I've had some experience with pgm which I can share- it can be used but only if we're ok with the limitations | 16:44 |
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| harlowja_at_home | futurist is used (or may be used) by oslo.messaging (unifying the executors there), taskflow (already used for running things), and ironic (i think wants to use the peridoci parallel stuff) | 16:45 |
| harlowja_at_home | ^ u may have other ideas of using it also! | 16:45 |
| ozamiatin | Alec, as I know PGM needs some hardware support to use? | 16:45 |
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| Alec | ozamiatin: you need multicast on your control plane | 16:45 |
| Alec | ozamiatin: but I'd say if you really want to scale out, that could be an OK requirement | 16:46 |
| harlowja_at_home | sileht, correct me if i am wrong about the oslo.messaging usage :) | 16:46 |
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| Alec | ozamiatin: secondly you need to be realistic wrt to multicast throughput | 16:46 |
| dims_ | almost forgot to ask, does anyone have any stuck reviews? or specs? | 16:46 |
| sileht | harlowja_at_home, you right the code is here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140985/ | 16:46 |
| ozamiatin | Alec, can you please start some e-mail thread and describe your vision about multicast? | 16:46 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims_, oh right, i was also gonna ask about 2.6 support dropping | 16:47 |
| harlowja_at_home | nearly forgot | 16:47 |
| Alec | ozamiatin: ok will do | 16:47 |
| ozamiatin | Alec, thanks! | 16:47 |
| harlowja_at_home | for projects that have it, is there a timeline anywhere, (probably somewhere listed) | 16:47 |
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| dims_ | +1 to start thread ozamiatin Alec | 16:47 |
| dims_ | harlowja_at_home: will need to talk to dhellmann on that one about latest ideas | 16:48 |
| harlowja_at_home | k | 16:48 |
| Alec | dims: coudl you anwer the first more general question wrt zmq support | 16:48 |
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| dims_ | Alec: sorry, repeat it please? | 16:48 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims_, thx, don't want to be spreading around the 2.6 disease to new libraries if i can help it :-P | 16:48 |
| dims_ | new libraries, avoid it i'd say | 16:49 |
| Alec | dims: looks like there is some interest from certain groups to push for zmq, do we know exactly who and how badly, given rabbitMQ is solidly entrenched now | 16:49 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, except those libraries get pulled into things that use 2.6 still (taskflow, tooz, oslo.messaging?) :-/ | 16:49 |
| harlowja_at_home | so its like a little infectious disease, lol | 16:49 |
| Alec | dimsL reason I ask is we need something really solid and better than rabbitMQ to make it worth | 16:49 |
| harlowja_at_home | aka the 2.6plague | 16:49 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:49 |
| dims_ | Alec: so the main reason it's coming up is rabbitmq has issues when it comes to HA | 16:49 |
| dims_ | Alec: we are shackled to rabbitmq at the moment | 16:50 |
| Alec | dims: yes that is known but I want to make sure we have it analyzed correctly before pushing out a solution | 16:50 |
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| dims_ | Alec: sure, that's the reason for the spec process | 16:50 |
| dims_ | Alec: definitely it's a long road | 16:51 |
| sileht | Alec, also zmq will not become the default, just an alternative to experiment and see if we can do better with zmq than rabbit | 16:51 |
| dims_ | sileht: right | 16:51 |
| Alec | dims: from my experience with openstack scale, I can see that infra may not be the only issue | 16:51 |
| ozamiatin | sileht: ++ | 16:51 |
| sileht | Alec, it's same kind of experiment we do we amqp1 | 16:52 |
| dims_ | Alec: what other issues do you see? which may be missing in discussions or spec so far | 16:52 |
| Alec | meaning suppose we come up with a "perfect" zmq driver, we may not be out of the woods yet because the other issue I see is how apps are using oslo messaging | 16:52 |
| Alec | give you one example on a real deployment at scale | 16:52 |
| dims_ | Alec: absolutely | 16:52 |
| Alec | rabbit MQ HA | 16:52 |
| Alec | neutron server gets flooded by all the agents | 16:53 |
| * harlowja_at_home do i need to get some y! operators in here to talk about scale + rabbitmq, let me know if i need to | 16:53 | |
| Alec | and neutron server too slow to absorb the work load, and agents time out and resend more of the same requetss | 16:53 |
| sileht | Alec, neutron have a really bad design (/me is thinking of this very big all in one daemon) | 16:53 |
| dims_ | harlowja_at_home: we'll set one up may be a hangout | 16:54 |
| Alec | 1 problem is rabbitMQ keeps everything and too long, which causes lots of stale requests | 16:54 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims_, cool beans, let me know, and i can drag in some folks, ha | 16:54 |
| sileht | Alec, neutron guys should really split the code into many daemon like all other does | 16:54 |
| sileht | Alec, I don't think, this is not a oslo.messaging issue | 16:54 |
| dims_ | sileht: so we have to tell them there's a problem and follow up i think | 16:54 |
| dims_ | sc68cal around? | 16:54 |
| Alec | that's my point, I think we need to also fix how apps are using oslo messaging | 16:55 |
| dims_ | Alec: ack, that will help all drivers | 16:55 |
| ozamiatin | Alec, definitely yes | 16:55 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ^ sounds like a best practices guide/docs, fixing all the projects 'ourselves' is something i've learned isn't sustainable | 16:55 |
| dims_ | Alec: please bring this up on the email you promised as well, i'll ask folks to respond | 16:55 |
| Alec | ok I'll start an email thread on that because too much to say in IRC | 16:56 |
| harlowja_at_home | *imho projects need to fix themselves if they can | 16:56 |
| dims_ | harlowja_at_home: y, it takes a while for what we propose to percolate to all the projects | 16:56 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya | 16:56 |
| sileht | for neutron this is not only 'how apps are using oslo messaging', but how ANY rpc application should work | 16:56 |
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| sileht | for example nova prepare a big payload to send to nova-compute to create a vm with all needed information | 16:57 |
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| sileht | neutron does multiple rpc round-trip to get all the neutr-agent need to create the port | 16:58 |
| dims_ | k 2 mins left :) | 16:58 |
| dims_ | any other thoughts, please head to oslo channel | 16:58 |
| Alec | as a general comment the main problem I see is lack of visibility in oslo messaging (at the traffic level) | 16:58 |
| dims_ | thanks Alec | 16:59 |
| dims_ | thanks everyone, see you all next week | 16:59 |
| dims_ | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 8 16:59:36 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-06-08-15.59.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-06-08-15.59.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-06-08-15.59.log.html | 16:59 |
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| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 17:00 |
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| sputnik13 | alo alo | 18:02 |
| sputnik13 | #startmeeting cue | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 8 18:02:21 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sputnik13. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cue)" | 18:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cue' | 18:02 |
| sputnik13 | role call, sound off | 18:02 |
| sputnik13 | 1 | 18:02 |
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| vipul | o/ | 18:02 |
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| davideagnello | hello! | 18:02 |
| abitha | hello | 18:02 |
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| sputnik13 | you guys are horrible at this, sound off one two three four, etc | 18:03 |
| sputnik13 | :-P | 18:03 |
| sputnik13 | where's dkalleg ? | 18:04 |
| vipul | sputnik13: :p didn't know we were playign that game | 18:05 |
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| sputnik13 | dkalleg is indisposed I guess, let's start the meeting! | 18:05 |
| sputnik13 | we have... dun dun duuuuunnnnn | 18:06 |
| sputnik13 | agenda! | 18:06 |
| sputnik13 | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Cue | 18:06 |
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| sputnik13 | our next meeting is no longer in the past | 18:06 |
| sputnik13 | :) | 18:06 |
| davideagnello | nice | 18:06 |
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| vipul | thx for updating that | 18:07 |
| sputnik13 | #topic Open Action Items | 18:07 |
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| sputnik13 | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cue/2015/cue.2015-06-01-18.01.html | 18:07 |
| sputnik13 | vipul no problem, I might get it done sooner than 12 hours before the meeting for next week ;) | 18:07 |
| sputnik13 | davideagnello you first | 18:08 |
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| davideagnello | ok, so Rally job is currently in review | 18:08 |
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| davideagnello | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187620/ | 18:08 |
| sputnik13 | #info davideagnello to look into getting Rally gate job added | 18:09 |
| davideagnello | the CI job was created by Sergey Skripnick | 18:09 |
| sputnik13 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187620/ | 18:09 |
| sputnik13 | who's sergey? | 18:09 |
| sputnik13 | I thought Boris was the rally guy | 18:09 |
| davideagnello | looks like it passed jenkins tests and waiting to be merged in | 18:10 |
| davideagnello | I am not sure | 18:10 |
| sputnik13 | well, I'm not one to look the gift horse in the mouth | 18:10 |
| dkalleg | sorry, hi | 18:10 |
| davideagnello | haha yes | 18:11 |
| dkalleg | 2 | 18:11 |
| sputnik13 | see, dkalleg gets is | 18:11 |
| sputnik13 | s/is/it | 18:11 |
| sputnik13 | fashionably late though he may be | 18:11 |
| sputnik13 | ok, so we're just waiting for it to merge? | 18:12 |
| davideagnello | so at this point who would we talk to in order to get this added? | 18:12 |
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| davideagnello | sputnik13: yes | 18:12 |
| sputnik13 | added as in what | 18:12 |
| davideagnello | merged | 18:12 |
| vipul | talk to someone in #openstack-infra | 18:12 |
| sputnik13 | hmm, I don't know, maybe camp out at #openstack-infra | 18:12 |
| sputnik13 | yeah, what vipul said | 18:12 |
| davideagnello | ok | 18:12 |
| sputnik13 | you like the great outdoors, go camping :) | 18:13 |
| vipul | this should be straight forward, it's an experimental check -- should be merged if we ask | 18:13 |
| dkalleg | *crickets* | 18:13 |
| sputnik13 | davideagnello once that's merged do we need changes to our repo? | 18:14 |
| davideagnello | sputnik13: we shouldn't have to | 18:14 |
| sputnik13 | ok | 18:14 |
| sputnik13 | #action davideagnello to follow up on rally job merge | 18:14 |
| sputnik13 | next topic? | 18:15 |
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| sputnik13 | #topic esmute to making tempest rabbit gate job voting | 18:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "esmute to making tempest rabbit gate job voting (Meeting topic: cue)" | 18:15 | |
| davideagnello | it's not voting yet, but the test looks stable | 18:16 |
| sputnik13 | being that esmute is out and someone (me) neglected to follow up with him, let's get status on this next week | 18:16 |
| vipul | davideagnello: does it? i haven't seen it pass that often | 18:16 |
| sputnik13 | davideagnello: define "stable" | 18:16 |
| vipul | maybe i am looking at the wrong patches | 18:16 |
| davideagnello | in the last four outstanding patches, the test are passing | 18:17 |
| davideagnello | total runtime is around 40 min | 18:17 |
| sputnik13 | no no, what we're looking for are consistently passing | 18:17 |
| davideagnello | ok, over how many iterations? | 18:17 |
| sputnik13 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187273/6 | 18:18 |
| sputnik13 | that's where we're trying to track it right? | 18:18 |
| sputnik13 | of the last 4 attempts 2 failed | 18:18 |
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| sputnik13 | I'm not sure how that coincides with the rabbit stability patch being merged | 18:18 |
| ekarlso | o/ | 18:19 |
| ekarlso | just peeking in ) | 18:19 |
| sputnik13 | but it doesn't seem stable at this point | 18:19 |
| sputnik13 | ekarlso welcome | 18:19 |
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| davideagnello | when was your cloud config fix merged in? | 18:19 |
| davideagnello | seems to be since the port delete and oscloud config changes where made | 18:19 |
| sputnik13 | 6/3 | 18:20 |
| sputnik13 | so the 2 failures could have been before the merge and the 2 successes were definitely after the change | 18:20 |
| sputnik13 | but 1 day of tests following a fix doesn't seem to match the bar we agreed to | 18:20 |
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| sputnik13 | which was about 1 week of testing to ensure it's stable | 18:21 |
| davideagnello | I agree, we should give it more time, but it is looking better | 18:21 |
| sputnik13 | it's definitely looking better, agree 100% there :) | 18:21 |
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| sputnik13 | I think we should continue to run rechecks this week and check on this again next week | 18:22 |
| sputnik13 | I think that patch might need to be rebased as well | 18:22 |
| sputnik13 | not positive | 18:22 |
| davideagnello | ok, will get it updated | 18:23 |
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| sputnik13 | #startvote postpone decision on tempest gate until 6/15 | 18:23 |
| openstack | Unable to parse vote topic and options. | 18:23 |
| sputnik13 | bleh | 18:23 |
| davideagnello | lol | 18:23 |
| vipul | you need to provide options :P | 18:24 |
| sputnik13 | like how | 18:24 |
| vipul | #startvote Should we vote now? Yes, No, Maybe | 18:24 |
| openstack | Only the meeting chair may start a vote. | 18:24 |
| sputnik13 | ah I see it | 18:24 |
| vipul | #link http://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/irc.html#voting | 18:24 |
| sputnik13 | #startvote Postpone decision on tempest gate until 6/15? Yes, No | 18:24 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Postpone decision on tempest gate until 6/15? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 18:24 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 18:25 |
| sputnik13 | #vote Yes | 18:25 |
| vipul | #vote yes | 18:25 |
| davideagnello | #vote yes | 18:25 |
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| vipul | i wonder if it's case sensitive | 18:25 |
| sputnik13 | we'll find out in a bit | 18:25 |
| * sputnik13 prods abitha and dkalleg | 18:25 | |
| sputnik13 | vote | 18:25 |
| dkalleg | #vote Yes | 18:25 |
| abitha | #vote yes | 18:25 |
| sputnik13 | #endvote | 18:25 |
| openstack | Voted on "Postpone decision on tempest gate until 6/15?" Results are | 18:25 |
| openstack | Yes (5): dkalleg, vipul, sputnik13, davideagnello, abitha | 18:25 |
| vipul | w00t | 18:26 |
| vipul | landslide | 18:26 |
| sputnik13 | ok, cool, it's like all official like | 18:26 |
| sputnik13 | :-D | 18:26 |
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| sputnik13 | ok, should we go on to the next topic? | 18:26 |
| vipul | +1 | 18:26 |
| davideagnello | just got notice from openstack-infra that they would like a Cue core to review and +1 patch before they merge | 18:26 |
| sputnik13 | #agreed follow up on tempest gate status 6/15 and decide whether to make it voting | 18:27 |
| davideagnello | for rally ci job | 18:27 |
| sputnik13 | davideagnello: ok, action for vipul and me | 18:27 |
| sputnik13 | #action vipul and sputnik13 to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187620/ and +1 it | 18:27 |
| sputnik13 | #topic sputnik13 vipul davideagnello esmute start classifying undecided bugs | 18:28 |
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| sputnik13 | I checked undecided for bugs last night and at least as of last night there were no undecided bugs so that's good | 18:28 |
| vipul | so that means everything reported is an actual bug | 18:29 |
| davideagnello | I see three which don't seem to be classified | 18:29 |
| sputnik13 | hmm, wait there's 3 that are undecided still | 18:29 |
| davideagnello | https://bugs.launchpad.net/cue | 18:29 |
| sputnik13 | yeah | 18:29 |
| sputnik13 | there's something wrong with the filter I used I guess | 18:29 |
| sputnik13 | user error | 18:29 |
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| sputnik13 | #action esmute to classify https://bugs.launchpad.net/cue/+bug/1439329 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/cue/+bug/1439330 | 18:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1439329 in Cue "Cluster goes to ERROR when creating it with flavor passed by name" [Undecided,New] | 18:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1439330 in Cue "Cannot delete cluster by name" [Undecided,New] | 18:30 |
| sputnik13 | #action sputnik13 to harass josh barry to classify https://bugs.launchpad.net/cue/+bug/1450931 | 18:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1450931 in Cue "Readme doc link incorrect" [Undecided,New] | 18:30 |
| sputnik13 | actually that last one is probably just low | 18:30 |
| sputnik13 | I'll follow up | 18:31 |
| sputnik13 | next topic | 18:32 |
| sputnik13 | ? | 18:32 |
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| sputnik13 | #topic blueprints | 18:32 |
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| sputnik13 | we have an agreement to create more blueprints to better document the features that are being worked on | 18:33 |
| sputnik13 | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cue | 18:33 |
| sputnik13 | Thanks davideagnello for entering some of the blueprints | 18:33 |
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| davideagnello | np, they are a start. we might want to add more as we see fit to each | 18:34 |
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| sputnik13 | +1 | 18:34 |
| sputnik13 | we should add more detail to each as we find more detail | 18:34 |
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| davideagnello | agreed | 18:35 |
| sputnik13 | I will be looking in to kafka for an "intro to kafka" thing I'm going to be doing next week, so I will take that one on | 18:35 |
| sputnik13 | #action sputnik13 to fill in details for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cue/+spec/kafka | 18:35 |
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| sputnik13 | can someone add some detail to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cue/+spec/rally-scenario-tests | 18:36 |
| sputnik13 | based on what we have and what's in process? | 18:36 |
| davideagnello | I can do that one | 18:36 |
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| sputnik13 | davideagnello can you also add a linke to the API in the v1-api blueprint? | 18:36 |
| sputnik13 | #action davideagnello to add detail to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cue/+spec/rally-scenario-tests based on existing rally tests and gate testing things in process | 18:37 |
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| sputnik13 | #action davideagnello to add link and information to v1 API in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cue/+spec/v1-api | 18:37 |
| sputnik13 | the others we can fill in details as we start tackling them | 18:37 |
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| sputnik13 | next on the agenda is/are bugs, should we go on or are there other things related to blueprints we need to discuss? | 18:38 |
| davideagnello | sputnik13: ok | 18:38 |
| davideagnello | sputnik13: to the API read the docs? | 18:38 |
| sputnik13 | davideagnello yup, and as I recall there was a wiki page that was created a while back describing the API as well wasn't there? | 18:39 |
| sputnik13 | a link to that would be good too for posterity | 18:39 |
| davideagnello | yes, created that one a while back | 18:39 |
| davideagnello | ok | 18:39 |
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| sputnik13 | we have 20 minutes left and I would like to leave some time in the end for open discussion, so let's move on if there aren't other things to discuss regarding blueprint | 18:40 |
| sputnik13 | going once | 18:40 |
| sputnik13 | going twice | 18:40 |
| davideagnello | I think that's all regarding blueprints, we should discuss which bugs | 18:40 |
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| sputnik13 | cool | 18:40 |
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| davideagnello | should be resolved next | 18:40 |
| sputnik13 | #topic bugs | 18:41 |
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| sputnik13 | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cue/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.importance%3Alist=CRITICAL&field.importance%3Alist=HIGH&field.importance%3Alist=MEDIUM&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.structural_subscriber=&field.tag=&field.tags_comb | 18:41 |
| sputnik13 | inator=ANY&field.has_cve.used=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.affects_me.used=&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_branches.used=&field.has_branches=on&field.has_no_branches.used=&field.has_no_branches=on&field.has_blueprints.used=&field.has_blueprints=on&field.has_no_blueprints.used=&field.has_no_blueprints=on&search=Search | 18:41 |
| sputnik13 | woah that doesn't work | 18:41 |
| sputnik13 | #link http://bit.ly/1MChDwJ | 18:42 |
| sputnik13 | vipul and I have the ongoing action to triage/disposition bugs, but I feel like a bug should not stay in the New state for any longer than a week | 18:43 |
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| davideagnello | I think our current failure in reverting a flow on create is something that should be addressed | 18:43 |
| sputnik13 | especially if they're critical, high, or medium | 18:43 |
| sputnik13 | so I'd like to make sure we get the highest ones triaged and assigned | 18:43 |
| sputnik13 | some of these actually need to be recategorized as far as importance | 18:44 |
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| davideagnello | yes | 18:44 |
| sputnik13 | as they don't follow the definition we agreed to | 18:44 |
| abitha | nic argument should be a list is already fixed. why is it still showing new? | 18:44 |
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| sputnik13 | abitha: status is changed when someone goes and changes it | 18:45 |
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| sputnik13 | when you commit things in gerrit, gerrit goes and updates the status for you | 18:45 |
| sputnik13 | perhaps the bug wasn't properly referenced in the patch? | 18:45 |
| abitha | oh ok. | 18:45 |
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| abitha | it is listed as partial-bug as the other half is fixed by the client | 18:46 |
| sputnik13 | abitha: since you know where it was fixed, can you go update that? | 18:46 |
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| sputnik13 | ok | 18:46 |
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| sputnik13 | does the client say closes or partial-bug? | 18:46 |
| abitha | should I change the bug from partial to closes bug? | 18:46 |
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| sputnik13 | I think at least one change needs to say closes bug | 18:46 |
| sputnik13 | but if the change was already merged I'm not sure you can update the commit message | 18:46 |
| abitha | oh ok. I will change and close this one | 18:46 |
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| abitha | if thats the case can I close it manually? | 18:47 |
| sputnik13 | so if the changes were already merged, just go ahead and change the status to fix committed and reference the changes (if they're not in the history already) | 18:47 |
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| abitha | ok .will do | 18:47 |
| sputnik13 | I only see one message from gerrit in the history, so you might have to add a link to the other one | 18:47 |
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| abitha | sure | 18:48 |
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| sputnik13 | davideagnello: do you see the bug that states rollback isn't happening? | 18:48 |
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| abitha | actually client patch already has closes-bug. but don't know why it wasn't linked correctly? | 18:49 |
| davideagnello | sputnik13: I don't see that one | 18:49 |
| sputnik13 | davideagnello: I think I might have been conflating that bug with others like https://bugs.launchpad.net/cue/+bug/1452958 https://bugs.launchpad.net/cue/+bug/1452959 https://bugs.launchpad.net/cue/+bug/1452990 | 18:50 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1452958 in Cue "cluster does not change to ERROR state when VM does not go ACTIVE" [High,New] | 18:50 |
| sputnik13 | in my mind | 18:50 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1452959 in Cue "cluster does not ERROR on missing broker metadata" [High,New] | 18:50 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1452990 in Cue "resources not cleaned up when deleting a cluster in BUILDING state" [Medium,New] | 18:50 |
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| sputnik13 | so we might have to file it as a distinct bug | 18:51 |
| sputnik13 | we should look in to it further | 18:51 |
| sputnik13 | I agree it needs to be resolved soon | 18:51 |
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| davideagnello | yes, those look like the results of a rollback not working | 18:52 |
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| sputnik13 | we can't go through all of the bugs during the meeting, can everyone go through the bugs they filed and make sure they're currently classified correct? | 18:52 |
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| sputnik13 | davideagnello: I disagree a bit, some of those should trigger the rollback | 18:52 |
| sputnik13 | no wait, nevermind you're right | 18:53 |
| sputnik13 | they're probably all related to the rollback not happening | 18:53 |
| sputnik13 | we set ERROR status at the end of a rollback right? | 18:53 |
| davideagnello | yup, that's what I meant | 18:53 |
| davideagnello | yes we do | 18:53 |
| sputnik13 | yeah, you're right | 18:53 |
| davideagnello | if the rollback reaches the first task :) | 18:53 |
| sputnik13 | we need a way to reproduce the lack of rollback, I think I know how to do that | 18:53 |
| sputnik13 | I'll reproduce the error and file a new bug | 18:54 |
| davideagnello | ok, how do you trigger that behavior? | 18:54 |
| davideagnello | make a task implicitly fail? | 18:54 |
| sputnik13 | #action sputnik13 reproduce bug that fails to rollback a cluster create and file a bug with the details | 18:54 |
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| sputnik13 | davideagnello based on what I saw in the rally tests, running out of resources seems to trigger this | 18:55 |
| sputnik13 | so I'm going to just create clusters until it fails | 18:55 |
| sputnik13 | and make sure it does that reliably | 18:55 |
| davideagnello | ok, makes sense | 18:55 |
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| sputnik13 | #action vipul davideagnello esmute abitha dkalleg to check that existing bugs have the correct classification | 18:56 |
| sputnik13 | the action last week was to make sure there were no Undecided bugs but several bugs that were already classified had improper classifications | 18:56 |
| sputnik13 | we have 3 minutes left in the meeting :( | 18:57 |
| sputnik13 | so in future meetings I'm hoping we can discuss the critical/high/medium bugs, but I don't think we have a clear picture of what those are right now | 18:57 |
| sputnik13 | given there are some bugs that are mis-classified | 18:58 |
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| sputnik13 | questions? concerns? other topics? | 18:59 |
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| davideagnello | ok, agreed | 18:59 |
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| sputnik13 | #topic Open Discussion | 18:59 |
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| sputnik13 | who's sick of the sun? | 19:00 |
| sputnik13 | :) | 19:00 |
| sputnik13 | so hot this past weekend | 19:00 |
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| sputnik13 | it was actually cooler in San Diego than Seattle | 19:00 |
| sputnik13 | my wife actually started getting excited at the prospect of rain next week | 19:00 |
| sputnik13 | :) | 19:00 |
| dkalleg | That doesn't make it hot :-P You want hot go check out Virginia in the summer. | 19:00 |
| dkalleg | actually, I think Abitha might trump us all | 19:01 |
| hogepodge | can we wrap up for the next meeting? | 19:01 |
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| sputnik13 | alrighty, thanks everyone | 19:01 |
| sputnik13 | #endmeeting | 19:01 |
| sslypushenko | o/ | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 8 19:01:39 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cue/2015/cue.2015-06-08-18.02.html | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cue/2015/cue.2015-06-08-18.02.txt | 19:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cue/2015/cue.2015-06-08-18.02.log.html | 19:01 |
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| hogepodge | #startmeeting refstack | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 8 19:01:48 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hogepodge. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 19:01 |
| davidlenwell | o/ | 19:01 |
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| pvaneck | o/ | 19:02 |
| hogepodge | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-15-06-08 agenda | 19:02 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 19:02 |
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| bethelwell | o/ | 19:02 |
| davidlenwell | Hi Everyone! | 19:02 |
| hogepodge | Hello! | 19:02 |
| bethelwell | Hi all! | 19:03 |
| hogepodge | #topic Infra Deployment | 19:03 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Infra Deployment (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 19:03 | |
| hogepodge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188207/ | 19:03 |
| davidlenwell | sslypushenko: glad you are back.. it was kinda stressful being the only core not on vacation last week ;) | 19:03 |
| hogepodge | The first patch for the infra deployment went under review last week. Lots of good comments. | 19:03 |
| hogepodge | davidlenwell: is working on the next revision of it, since he has much more expertise in the deployment. | 19:04 |
| davidlenwell | I have a new patch almost ready.. will push it up and poke people to review it by it by the end of the day | 19:04 |
| hogepodge | Any comments or ideas regarding it? | 19:04 |
| davidlenwell | trying to go into as much detail as possible about what we expect for HA and database backups | 19:04 |
| Rockyg | o/ | 19:05 |
| davidlenwell | I'd suggest if anyone does to leave them as comments in the review.. because that is what I am using to shape the next patch | 19:05 |
| hogepodge | Based on interactions with infra, it's going to take a few weeks to land and be implemented. | 19:05 |
| davidlenwell | I think we decided over the week to leave the hosting as is until that happens. | 19:05 |
| hogepodge | Does infra automate back ups of their dbaas? | 19:05 |
| davidlenwell | fungi: ^^ ? | 19:06 |
| hogepodge | We can get more info on that in the reviews. | 19:07 |
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| davidlenwell | sure | 19:07 |
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| hogepodge | #action davidlenwell submit revision to refsstack infra deployment | 19:07 |
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| hogepodge | #topic Puppet Module | 19:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Puppet Module (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 19:08 | |
| hogepodge | Quick update on this, from krotsck_at_con work | 19:08 |
| davidlenwell | So hp has been doing a lot of maintance on its system in the last few weeks... however even with that refstack.net has only had minimal downtime.. So I think leaving it as is would be recomended. | 19:08 |
| fungi | hogepodge: davidlenwell: we do | 19:09 |
| davidlenwell | krotsck_at_con pinged me last week to review a chain of patches | 19:09 |
| davidlenwell | thanks fungi.. So we shouldn't have to call it out in the spec? | 19:09 |
| fungi | hogepodge: davidlenwell: it's a puppet manifest that adds a cron job to perform a mysqldump into /var/baskup | 19:09 |
| fungi | er, into /var/backup | 19:09 |
| fungi | it's helpful to call it out in the spec since it needs to be explicitly added to the puppet module | 19:09 |
| hogepodge | #topic Infra Deployment | 19:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Infra Deployment (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 19:09 | |
| fungi | it's easy to add, but it's a necessary step | 19:10 |
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| davidlenwell | okay.. I will call it out | 19:10 |
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| hogepodge | thanks fungi | 19:10 |
| fungi | yw | 19:10 |
| hogepodge | The puppet module is related to the deployment. | 19:10 |
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| hogepodge | It's going to follow the model of the rest of the infra-hosted projects and be its own project. | 19:11 |
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| hogepodge | krotsck_at_con: is away at a conference this week, so we should hear more next week. | 19:12 |
| hogepodge | Any other items related to this topic? | 19:12 |
| krotsck_at_con | eh? | 19:12 |
| krotsck_at_con | wha? | 19:12 |
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| krotsck_at_con | The puppet module is waiting on the spec to be approved. | 19:12 |
| hogepodge | krotsck_at_con: any other updates regarding it? | 19:12 |
| krotsck_at_con | We have a +2 from jeblair on the puppet module project. | 19:13 |
| krotsck_at_con | The patch currently depends-on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188207/ | 19:13 |
| davidlenwell | sslypushenko: should review the patches that krotsck_at_con has on the refstack ui | 19:13 |
| krotsck_at_con | And that one has a lot of comments and discussion | 19:13 |
| sslypushenko | davidlenwell: I have very unstabl iternet connection is very unstable, so I almost in readonly mode) | 19:13 |
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| krotsck_at_con | So, no updates on the puppet module until the spec lands. | 19:13 |
| jeblair | oh hi | 19:14 |
| davidlenwell | starting here .. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185723/5 | 19:14 |
| hogepodge | sslypushenko: good to know, we will use that knowledge to assign a lot of action items to you. ;-) | 19:14 |
| davidlenwell | :) | 19:14 |
| sslypushenko | I will back to worn only day after tomorow | 19:14 |
| davidlenwell | sslypushenko: good to know | 19:14 |
| jeblair | yeah, my feeling is that the spec is generally good and we have a few things to clarify/address in a new revision | 19:14 |
| davidlenwell | jeblair: I will address all the comments in the new revision later today | 19:14 |
| jeblair | woot | 19:15 |
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| hogepodge | Ok, sounds like we have really great progress and action planned. Thanks to everyone in both the refstack and infra team for working on this. Going to be really cool. | 19:15 |
| jeblair | ++ | 19:16 |
| davidlenwell | krotsck_at_con: are you cool with waiting for sslypushenko to get back to merge that patch chain or should we talk about merging it before he returns in a few days? | 19:16 |
| Rockyg | ++ | 19:16 |
| davidlenwell | ie starting here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185723/5 | 19:16 |
| hogepodge | davidlenwell: krotsck_at_con: sslypushenko: since Sergei is just a few days away from being back, I'd advocate for waiting for his review. | 19:18 |
| davidlenwell | okay.. I have no problem with that | 19:18 |
| krotsck_at_con | davidlenwell: I'm patient. Horizon is less so. | 19:18 |
| davidlenwell | sure | 19:18 |
| krotsck_at_con | But they can wait. | 19:18 |
| hogepodge | Look for final reviews on Wednesday. | 19:18 |
| krotsck_at_con | They have to go argue about other thigns. | 19:18 |
| sslypushenko | I will try to do that tomorow | 19:18 |
| krotsck_at_con | anyway, have to take notes. | 19:18 |
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| hogepodge | thanks krotsck_at_con | 19:18 |
| davidlenwell | when catherine is back we need to have a discussion about electing another core | 19:18 |
| hogepodge | and sslypushenko | 19:18 |
| Rockyg | ++ | 19:19 |
| davidlenwell | so we have decent vacation coverage | 19:19 |
| hogepodge | That has bearing on the next topic, which I think will be brief because of vacation coverage | 19:19 |
| hogepodge | #topic future location of Refstack | 19:19 |
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| hogepodge | With the project maturing, it's time to start thinking about graduating it out of refstack. | 19:20 |
| davidlenwell | ahh.. you mean should we move to the openstack namespace or to the infra namespace? | 19:20 |
| hogepodge | Options would be to look at making it a big tent project, or bring it under the umbrella if infra since it's providing a community service. | 19:20 |
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| hogepodge | Yes, I wanted to make it an agenda item, but it probably needs to be deferred until the full set of core members are here. | 19:20 |
| Rockyg | Yeah. Tough call. | 19:20 |
| davidlenwell | my perspective has always been that it belongs under infra.. however arguments could be had both ways | 19:20 |
| pvaneck | I think infra makes more sense | 19:21 |
| hogepodge | I'm in favor of it being an infra project too. | 19:21 |
| davidlenwell | I'd say lets put it on the agenda for two or three weeks from now and we can discuss and vote | 19:21 |
| Rockyg | But, it should be a separate repository in the OpenStack repository namespace. Just whether on its own or under infra.... | 19:21 |
| davidlenwell | but we shouldn't make the call without all the cores present | 19:21 |
| hogepodge | absolutely. Putting the seed there. | 19:21 |
| davidlenwell | Rockyg: the questions is stackforge, openstack or openstack-infra | 19:22 |
| Rockyg | I think we should also invite some infra and DefCore folks. | 19:22 |
| hogepodge | #agreed defer discussion and decision to when all refstack cores are present. | 19:22 |
| davidlenwell | I wouldn't mind some TC input either | 19:22 |
| sslypushenko | What argument do we have to be infra project? | 19:22 |
| Rockyg | How about a "spec" that sets out the alternatives, so infra, reftstack and defcore can review, then discuss in a couple of weeks here? | 19:22 |
| hogepodge | sslypushenko: refstack provides a service to the community | 19:23 |
| davidlenwell | interop and services that support it technically fall under infra's perview | 19:23 |
| sslypushenko | Rockyg: +1 | 19:23 |
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| hogepodge | who would want to grab that action item? | 19:24 |
| davidlenwell | since its largly a foundation and board supporting set of tools.. I'll defer to their judgment | 19:24 |
| Rockyg | Right. It's tecnically not an integrated project, so makes OpenStack a little iffy, but it's still part of what defines OpenStack | 19:24 |
| davidlenwell | Rockyg: +1 | 19:24 |
| davidlenwell | it better fits into infra | 19:24 |
| Rockyg | I'm willing to give it a shot, but I may need some poking to keep it on schedule :P | 19:25 |
| davidlenwell | I think we should let catherine drive this .. we shouldn't be in a hurry to move it | 19:25 |
| Rockyg | I just got back today and have too many projects, plus company politics on my plate. | 19:25 |
| davidlenwell | no reason the spec can't wait till she is back | 19:25 |
| hogepodge | Yes, let's defer any strong actions until catherine is back. | 19:26 |
| Rockyg | Maybe Catherine and I can put a spec together in a F2F when she's back. | 19:26 |
| davidlenwell | Rockyg: make sure you invite me to that ;) | 19:26 |
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| Rockyg | davidlenwell: will do! | 19:26 |
| hogepodge | Ok, lots to move through. Ready for the next topic? | 19:26 |
| Rockyg | ++ | 19:27 |
| davidlenwell | yes | 19:27 |
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| sslypushenko | + | 19:27 |
| hogepodge | #topic OpenStackID | 19:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStackID (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 19:27 | |
| hogepodge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176335/ | 19:27 |
| davidlenwell | last we heard sslypushenko was going to work on this when he returns.. sounds like that won't be for a few days | 19:27 |
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| davidlenwell | needs to be rebased and to have some tests reworked before it can land.. I believe he raised his hand last week and said he was planning to take that on as soon as he is back at work. | 19:28 |
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| sslypushenko | yep nothing new here) | 19:28 |
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| hogepodge | I've been speaking with the team working on OpenStack ID. They're looking in to expanding it to cover Open ID Connect (on top of the existing OAuth 2.0 functionality) | 19:28 |
| davidlenwell | okay.. | 19:28 |
| hogepodge | great | 19:29 |
| hogepodge | If there isn't aything else, moving on. | 19:29 |
| sslypushenko | + | 19:29 |
| davidlenwell | +1 | 19:29 |
| hogepodge | #topic DefCore Capabilities Schema Update | 19:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "DefCore Capabilities Schema Update (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 19:30 | |
| Rockyg | The openid stuff for infra would likely be a separate project that would then make it easy for them to use on other websites they might support | 19:30 |
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| hogepodge | DefCore has approved a new version of the capabilities schema (I'm being a bit loose with the word schema, since we have no official schema to validate against) | 19:30 |
| hogepodge | It's captured here: | 19:31 |
| hogepodge | #link https://github.com/openstack/defcore/blob/master/2015.next.json | 19:31 |
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| hogepodge | Most notably, tests are no longer a list, but now a dictionary | 19:31 |
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| hogepodge | Flags moved into the tests themselves. | 19:32 |
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| hogepodge | This will have an impact on the rendering of the refstack pages. We tried to mimimize the disruption, but it will be felt. | 19:32 |
| hogepodge | pvaneck: and anyone else working on the UI, wanted to make you aware of it. | 19:32 |
| davidlenwell | hogepodge: we won't be deleteing the old one right? | 19:32 |
| pvaneck | seems to be a missing quote on line 45 | 19:32 |
| davidlenwell | we'll have some overlap ? | 19:33 |
| hogepodge | No, but the 1.3 version will be what's going forward. | 19:33 |
| pvaneck | but yea, i'll see how this affects the UI | 19:33 |
| Rockyg | for at least another few month ;-) | 19:33 |
| hogepodge | pvaneck: I'll run it through the validator and make patches | 19:33 |
| hogepodge | davidlenwell: for the old approved lists, they'll keep the version. New approved files will use the 1.3, so we'll have overlap. | 19:34 |
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| davidlenwell | so we'll need to make the js able to parse either format | 19:34 |
| davidlenwell | so if someone selects the old version from the drop down it will still pull the old format | 19:34 |
| hogepodge | This review captures lots of information about the changes. | 19:35 |
| hogepodge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185158/ | 19:35 |
| hogepodge | davidlenwell: we embed version information into the file to help with that | 19:35 |
| davidlenwell | cool.. | 19:35 |
| Rockyg | davidlenwell: Yeah, we were forward thinkers on that one;-) | 19:35 |
| Rockyg | We being you, too, if you remember.... | 19:36 |
| davidlenwell | yes.. I did say that we needed to maintain versioning while we were on the hallway track at the summit | 19:36 |
| davidlenwell | but I wasn't in the next set of meetings .. so its good to know | 19:36 |
| hogepodge | Any other comments or questions about the change? | 19:38 |
| davidlenwell | pvaneck: feel free to ask bethelwell for js cycles when you are working on this | 19:38 |
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| pvaneck | davidlenwell: sure. just looking at what's different in this new version first | 19:39 |
| bethelwell | am more than happy to contribute. Following the conversation and have a long way to go to fully understand context but always up for contributing to the codebase and helping out. | 19:39 |
| pvaneck | seems to be mainly the test array to hash, and how tests are flagged | 19:39 |
| davidlenwell | pvaneck: how goes the adding of jsdoc comments to the javascirpt? | 19:39 |
| davidlenwell | (sorry off topic) | 19:39 |
| pvaneck | was doing it now, but i'll have it up today | 19:39 |
| hogepodge | davidlenwell: we can move to the next topic, which is JS related. | 19:40 |
| hogepodge | #topic JS Integration | 19:40 |
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| davidlenwell | sweet | 19:40 |
| davidlenwell | so the first step in my mind was better docs around our js code | 19:40 |
| hogepodge | prompted from this review, but general to JS dev in general | 19:40 |
| bethelwell | documentation is always good | 19:40 |
| hogepodge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187278/ | 19:40 |
| davidlenwell | I don't want new contributers to have to divine from context how things are supposed to work | 19:40 |
| davidlenwell | and I want to encourage new front end devs to get involved.. as you can see with my pushing bethelwell into helping us | 19:41 |
| bethelwell | that would be really useful. from a newcomers perspective it would help to then become productive faster | 19:41 |
| bethelwell | would it be useful for me to be involved in this to document from a newcomers persective? | 19:41 |
| davidlenwell | front end tests are useful .. I think what krotsck_at_con has added here are the stubs for future tests.. | 19:41 |
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| hogepodge | I think its always helpful. The perspective of the learning and integration process helps. Also having a test framework is nice, and a great place to start. | 19:42 |
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| davidlenwell | I am going to be a lot more strict about js that I review and if its got tests and comments/docs .. its a bad habbit of a lot of openstack projects to sorta not really test or read javascirpt and I don't want us to fall into that category | 19:42 |
| hogepodge | davidlenwell: I think that's a great idea. | 19:43 |
| pvaneck | well, soon we should have the js linting and testing gates added to the project | 19:43 |
| davidlenwell | refstack is 1/3 a front end website.. the other two parts being the api and the client.. success is going to pin on all three being well documented and designed | 19:44 |
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| hogepodge | pvaneck: what's the work that's needed for that? Is this in flight, or dependent on existing reviews? | 19:44 |
| davidlenwell | pvaneck: as soon as sslypushenko is back form vacay he will review those and we should be good to go | 19:44 |
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| davidlenwell | hogepodge: existing reviews I called out earlier | 19:44 |
| hogepodge | davidlenwell: ok, thanks | 19:45 |
| pvaneck | this patch which adds the jobs has been merged: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185731/ | 19:45 |
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| Rockyg | bethelwell: you can certainly add documentation that's missing when you figure out what the code is doing ;-) Or file a bug that the code isn't very readable without comments in specific places | 19:45 |
| hogepodge | pvaneck: nice, thank you | 19:45 |
| pvaneck | then there is this: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188133/ | 19:45 |
| davidlenwell | hogepodge: ^^ that and the patches that depend on it | 19:46 |
| hogepodge | yup | 19:46 |
| Rockyg | davidlenwell: would it make sense to do a *short* reviewer checklist for what RefStack reviewers will ding folks for? Like docs and tests? | 19:46 |
| bethelwell | Rockyg: thank you! I will do as I start to navigate it more. Appreciate it :) | 19:46 |
| hogepodge | dependent patch #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188834/ | 19:47 |
| davidlenwell | Rockyg: I think those things are common knowledge but folks get lazy .. the review process will fix that | 19:47 |
| davidlenwell | if the cores can agree to be more strict that all should fall in line fast enough | 19:47 |
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| bethelwell | davidlenwell: it is probably good timing for a newcomer to submit comments though rather than attempting to troll through tons of code yourself when we are doing it anyway and can raise issues as necessary. | 19:48 |
| bethelwell | as you say, moving forward easier to change by just being stricter in what gets through. | 19:49 |
| davidlenwell | Rockyg: I've been -2ing for lack of doc strings in python since the begining.. that has resulted in good documented python code.. we just need to follow the same practice in the front end code | 19:49 |
| davidlenwell | bethelwell: +1 | 19:49 |
| Rockyg | bethelwell: ++ and if it's a review, you can always -1 with the comment that the code alone is not clear enough and more commenting is needed | 19:49 |
| davidlenwell | awesome .. it sounds like we all agree.. pvaneck I look forward to your first jsdoc patch later | 19:49 |
| Rockyg | +1000 | 19:50 |
| pvaneck | yep, will have it up soon | 19:50 |
| davidlenwell | awesome! | 19:50 |
| hogepodge | Ok, on to the next topic? | 19:51 |
| davidlenwell | + | 19:51 |
| hogepodge | #topic Code reviews | 19:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Code reviews (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 19:51 | |
| davidlenwell | most of the pending reviews are related to the last topic | 19:51 |
| hogepodge | Please post links to any outstanding reviews you'd like additional attention to here. | 19:51 |
| * Rockyg thinks that last exchange was a perfect lead in to the current topic | 19:52 | |
| hogepodge | There's one Docker patch that sslypushenko has been working on. | 19:52 |
| hogepodge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182266/ | 19:52 |
| hogepodge | There's also a pip cleanup patch from Catherine | 19:53 |
| hogepodge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186886/ | 19:53 |
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| hogepodge | I'll also roll the patch review into the last open discussion topic and leave the meeting open until 12:59 | 19:54 |
| hogepodge | #topic Open Discussion | 19:55 |
| davidlenwell | +1 | 19:55 |
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| Rockyg | +1 | 19:56 |
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| davidlenwell | I for one am super happy about all the progress in the last few months and our continued official adoption by defocre! | 19:56 |
| hogepodge | +1 | 19:56 |
| sslypushenko | It will really helpfull to get dockerp get docker patch merged | 19:56 |
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| davidlenwell | thanks hogepodge for all your input and hard work in getting us here over the last cycle.. I know we had some rough patchs .but we are a stronger team for it in the end! | 19:57 |
| Rockyg | +1 to what davidlenwell said | 19:57 |
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| davidlenwell | its nice to bring validation to all our hard work over the last 18 months.. | 19:57 |
| hogepodge | davidlenwell: thank you. I'm really happy with how the project is advancing. The ui and demos were really strong. | 19:57 |
| hogepodge | davidlenwell: pvaneck: can you look at the docker patch and see what it needs to move forward for sslypushenko? | 19:58 |
| davidlenwell | yes.. I have it open.. | 19:58 |
| Rockyg | I'd also like to point out that the collaboration has gotten much stronger, the conversations more positive, and, we still need to recruit a few more to the team.... | 19:58 |
| davidlenwell | I was going to ping eric.. he's been our unofficial docker reviewer | 19:58 |
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| Rockyg | davidlenwell: good thought. Eric is the right person. | 19:58 |
| davidlenwell | trying to remember his irc handle at the moment | 19:59 |
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| Rockyg | ewindisch? | 19:59 |
| davidlenwell | yeah .. thats the one | 19:59 |
| hogepodge | I'm going to wrap this up, but more discussion welcome over in the #refstack channel. | 19:59 |
| davidlenwell | I'll ping him .. | 19:59 |
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| hogepodge | Thanks for another productive meeting everyone. | 19:59 |
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| hogepodge | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 8 19:59:45 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-06-08-19.01.html | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-06-08-19.01.txt | 19:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-06-08-19.01.log.html | 19:59 |
| Rockyg | Thanks everyone! This was actually a great way to get back to work! | 19:59 |
| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 8 20:00:03 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| dave-mcc_ | o/ | 20:00 |
| hockeynut | o/ | 20:00 |
| elmiko | o/ | 20:00 |
| jaosorior | o/ | 20:00 |
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| silos | o/ | 20:00 |
| woodster_ | o/ | 20:00 |
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| Asha | o/ | 20:00 |
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| jkf | Greetings | 20:00 |
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| alee | o/ | 20:01 |
| redrobot | woo! lots of barbicaneers here today! | 20:01 |
| igueths | o/ | 20:01 |
| redrobot | As usual, the agenda can be found here: | 20:01 |
| rellerreller | o/ | 20:01 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican | 20:01 |
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| redrobot | #topic Action Items from Previous Meeting | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action Items from Previous Meeting (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:01 | |
| jaosorior | :t face | 20:01 |
| arunkant | o/ | 20:01 |
| redrobot | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-06-01-20.00.html | 20:01 |
| jaosorior | sorry haha | 20:01 |
| redrobot | elmiko you had an action item to file a bug to move management scripts from bin/ to entry_points | 20:02 |
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| redrobot | elmiko any progress on that? | 20:02 |
| elmiko | yes | 20:02 |
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| elmiko | i've got a couple things going on that front | 20:03 |
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| elmiko | i think there are, minimum, two solutions; the hacky one, and the proper one. | 20:03 |
| redrobot | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/barbican/+bug/1454587 | 20:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1454587 in Barbican "Install scripts in /usr/bin with extensions" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 20:03 |
| elmiko | on the hacky front, i have a small poc script that will run the same uswgi flow we have now | 20:03 |
| redrobot | oops, I think that's the wrong bug | 20:03 |
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| elmiko | on the proper front, i think we might want to follow the lead of other projects and create a true wsgi app that runs from the script | 20:04 |
| elmiko | i've started to gather ideas about that here, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-barbican-all-ideas | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-barbican-all-ideas | 20:04 |
| elmiko | but i have some questions about if this is something that the project wants, and also a few details | 20:04 |
| elmiko | redrobot: thanks | 20:04 |
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| elmiko | so, basically, is it worth the effort to create an actual app that could run from barbican-all?? | 20:05 |
| elmiko | like, instantiate a wsgi server running the pecan stuff, and then hook into all the oslo.config goodness, etc... | 20:05 |
| redrobot | elmiko so currently we have a few scripts in bin/. There's one called barbican-api that just runs the WSGI app in paste.httpserver | 20:06 |
| redrobot | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/barbican/tree/bin/barbican-api | 20:06 |
| elmiko | yea | 20:06 |
| redrobot | I would prefer that we drop uwsgi from our management scripts | 20:06 |
| elmiko | i looked to those for inspiration | 20:06 |
| elmiko | ok, cool | 20:06 |
| redrobot | I think that ideally we'll want a WSGI setup that can run under apache | 20:06 |
| redrobot | similar to what Keystone is doing in the httpd/ directory in their repo | 20:07 |
| elmiko | do we want to keep the paste.deploy related configs in separate files still, or can we incorporate them into an app? | 20:07 |
| chellygel | (in channel doesn't raise hand .____./) | 20:07 |
| elmiko | redrobot: awesome, i was using keystone for some reference | 20:07 |
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| elmiko | i think a big piece of work will be creating a singular class to contain the wsgi app, then we could instantiate that either from an outside source (apache) or from a script through eventleft | 20:08 |
| elmiko | *eventlet | 20:08 |
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| redrobot | not sure about the paste.deploy pipeline stuff... I think I would prefer Barbican to be a stand-alone app, then allow people to stitch their pipeline however they want. | 20:08 |
| elmiko | i think this might be big enough that we would want a spec or something though. | 20:08 |
| elmiko | redrobot: ok, so that would be like rolling the stuff in *-paste.ini into the app config? | 20:09 |
| woodster_ | yeah, it seems big enough to justify a blueprint to me | 20:09 |
| alee | elmiko, I think a spec is a good idea - will allow us to see what needs to be done | 20:09 |
| woodster_ | maybe note how things are done now and how they would change? | 20:10 |
| elmiko | ok, i can create a bp/spec for it. i will be out of town from 6/11-18, so just a heads up. | 20:10 |
| elmiko | woodster_: yea, definitely | 20:10 |
| woodster_ | elmiko: so is paste getting phased out? | 20:10 |
| elmiko | woodster_: not at all, | 20:10 |
| elmiko | i was just concerned about if we should keep the external configurations for it, or roll those configs into the app structure. | 20:10 |
| arunkant | Looks like eventlet usage was deprecated in keystone in Kilo..https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157495 | 20:10 |
| dstanek | arunkant: yes! finally | 20:11 |
| elmiko | arunkant: ah, interesting... | 20:11 |
| elmiko | it looked like it was still in the code | 20:11 |
| jaosorior | elmiko: it still works, but it's marked as deprecated | 20:11 |
| dstanek | elmiko: we still support running keystone-all for now, but it will be removed | 20:11 |
| elmiko | dstanek: ok, | 20:12 |
| elmiko | i obviously need to read a little deeper | 20:12 |
| woodster_ | dstanek: thanks for the update | 20:12 |
| elmiko | dstanek: so, keystone-all will be removed entirely? | 20:12 |
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| redrobot | sounds like you still have a ton of work left, elmiko | 20:14 |
| elmiko | redrobot: agreed | 20:14 |
| dstanek | elmiko: i'm thinking that it will | 20:14 |
| redrobot | elmiko did you get a chance to file a launchpad bug? | 20:14 |
| elmiko | i did, 1sec | 20:14 |
| dstanek | elmiko: i'm working on implementing keystone on top of flask and i plan to have a devserver that's clearly marked as a devserver | 20:14 |
| elmiko | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/barbican/+bug/1462458 | 20:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1462458 in Barbican "Barbican should expose a runner script through setuptools entry_points" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Michael McCune (mimccune) | 20:14 |
| elmiko | dstanek: hehe, cool. i'm used to flask from the sahara side of things. | 20:14 |
| redrobot | elmiko awesome, thanks | 20:15 |
| elmiko | redrobot: i'll start gathering all the details for a spec | 20:15 |
| redrobot | elmiko sounds good | 20:15 |
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| redrobot | next action item was for me to backport the DogTag SecretStore fix into stable/kilo | 20:16 |
| redrobot | which has already merged | 20:16 |
| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187721/ | 20:16 |
| redrobot | and that's it for last week's action items. | 20:16 |
| redrobot | moving on... | 20:16 |
| redrobot | #topic Mid-Cycle RSVP | 20:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mid-Cycle RSVP (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:16 | |
| redrobot | I added a wiki page with the details for the Mid-Cycle Sprint | 20:17 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/BarbicanLibertySprint | 20:17 |
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| redrobot | It'll be happening at the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory | 20:17 |
| redrobot | in Laurel, Maryland | 20:17 |
| redrobot | August 5-7 | 20:17 |
| redrobot | I also added an Eventbrite event so interested folks can RSVP | 20:18 |
| redrobot | #link https://eventbrite.com/event/17310650622/ | 20:18 |
| redrobot | any questions/comments regarding the mid-cycle sprint? | 20:18 |
| jaosorior | Noup | 20:19 |
| dave-mcc_ | have we nailed down start time for first day, and end time for last day? (just thinking about booking air travel). | 20:19 |
| redrobot | I have it down for 9:00am Wednesday start and 5:00pm Friday end | 20:19 |
| alee | any suggestions/ preferred hotels etc.? | 20:20 |
| redrobot | rellerreller would probably be the best one to ask about hotels | 20:20 |
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| rellerreller | Leave an action item for me to look into that. | 20:21 |
| alee | redrobot, right - maybe add to the eventbrite | 20:21 |
| redrobot | #action rellerreller to look into preferred Hotels for Mid-Cycle | 20:21 |
| redrobot | alee will do. | 20:21 |
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| alee | rellerreller, is there a JPL rate ? :) | 20:21 |
| rellerreller | alee I'm not sure. I'll see how much influence I have :) | 20:22 |
| hockeynut | hot tubs included, pleez :-) | 20:22 |
| elmiko | lol | 20:22 |
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| alee | hockeynut, they have a tokamak there they can use to heat things up .. | 20:22 |
| hockeynut | I was assuming it would be the fires from rioters | 20:23 |
| redrobot | hockeynut lmao | 20:23 |
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| hockeynut | ps I had to google tokamak | 20:23 |
| kfarr_ | There's a list of hotels here: http://www.jhuapl.edu/aboutapl/visitor/lodging.asp | 20:23 |
| hockeynut | thanks kfarr_ ! | 20:24 |
| rellerreller | kfarr_ Thanks! | 20:24 |
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| kfarr_ | "make sure to advise the hotel front desk at check-in that your stay is related to your APL visit so that the hotel will honor the special rate." | 20:24 |
| redrobot | woot! gotta love those immediate-action-items :) | 20:24 |
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| redrobot | #link http://www.jhuapl.edu/aboutapl/visitor/lodging.asp | 20:25 |
| redrobot | anything else on this topic? | 20:25 |
| redrobot | okay, moving on... | 20:26 |
| redrobot | #topic High Priority Reviews | 20:26 |
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| redrobot | The last CR for the ACL API revamp just needs a workflow | 20:26 |
| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188208/ | 20:26 |
| alee | redrobot, ok - I'll take a look at that | 20:27 |
| redrobot | and also the barbican-specs reviews, so we can get them landed before liberty-1 | 20:27 |
| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/barbican-specs,n,z | 20:27 |
| redrobot | there's quite a few of them out there | 20:28 |
| redrobot | any other reviews I may have missed? | 20:28 |
| dave-mcc_ | here's mine for the Quota support blueprint: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186562/ | 20:28 |
| redrobot | thanks dave-mcc_ | 20:28 |
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| dave-mcc_ | i've made good progress on the code, but i'm off for vacation tomorrow for 10 days. i'll be back to finish the work, but i'll be offline for a while. | 20:28 |
| jaosorior | Well, this is not high prio. But would sure love some reviews here, it's been out there for a while https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178601/ | 20:28 |
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| jaosorior | would make life easier on the client side | 20:29 |
| rellerreller | I had a review, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182461/ . It was approved but then had merge conflict. | 20:29 |
| rellerreller | Only one line changed so all those +2's should be easy again :) | 20:29 |
| redrobot | jaosorior I think we also want to mention reviews that have been outstanding for a long time, so you're good | 20:29 |
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| woodster_ | I'm paid by the blueprint now, so please review any of them with my name :) jk | 20:30 |
| redrobot | alrighty... that's all I had on the agenda for today. | 20:30 |
| redrobot | #topic Open Discussion | 20:30 |
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| redrobot | anything else we want to talk about today? If not we all get 30 min back. :) | 20:31 |
| woodster_ | FYI, there is a Keystone thread going about adding group-ID to header info from keystone middleware... | 20:31 |
| woodster_ | This would support group-based ACLs | 20:31 |
| elmiko | could i ask a couple more questions about the barbican-all topic? | 20:31 |
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| Asha | yes ... | 20:31 |
| Asha | we will be Unable to retrieve the secret in text/plain format generated from Barbican order resource | 20:32 |
| redrobot | ok, one at a time, guys :) | 20:32 |
| alee | redrobot, lets please prioritize spec reviews -- only two weeks to liberty-1 | 20:32 |
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| woodster_ | Asha: that's the generated AES key correct? | 20:32 |
| redrobot | woodster_ do you have a link to the mailing list thread? | 20:32 |
| Asha | yes | 20:32 |
| redrobot | asha I was going to write back to that thread.... text/plain is probably not what you need | 20:32 |
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| Asha | ok ... | 20:33 |
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| woodster_ | redrobot: the subject has this text: [openstack-dev] [keystone][barbican] Regarding exposing X-Group-xxxx | 20:33 |
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| Asha | then how would I pass the 32 bytes key generated to the standard python libraries like pycrytp | 20:34 |
| redrobot | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/065757.html | 20:34 |
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| woodster_ | dstanek: FYI David regarding group-based ACLs | 20:34 |
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| redrobot | Asha so, in Python 2 bytes are represented by the type str, but in Python 3 bytes have their own type of bytes. | 20:35 |
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| redrobot | Asha if you're using Python 3, then bytes and strings are the same thing... (note that unicode strings in Python 2 are a different type) | 20:35 |
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| redrobot | errr Python2 bytes and strings are the same type (str) | 20:36 |
| Asha | @redrobot..Thanks I am using ython 2 | 20:36 |
| redrobot | Asha you should be using python-barbicanclient. It will take care of these low-level implementation details | 20:36 |
| redrobot | Asha such as the conversion from the barbican response into a usable string (or bytes) depending on which python version you're using. | 20:37 |
| Asha | oh k ..Thanks ..I was using the request object | 20:37 |
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| elmiko | my turn? | 20:38 |
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| redrobot | Asha I'll send a reply to the mailing list summarizing this, just in case other people are interested. | 20:38 |
| redrobot | elmiko go ahead | 20:38 |
| * redrobot feels like a juggler | 20:38 | |
| Asha | @ redrobot ..Thanks redrobot I would use python barbican client ..dlmiko ..u can go ahead | 20:38 |
| elmiko | hehe, np, i was trying to be respectful =) | 20:38 |
| Asha | elmiko * | 20:38 |
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| elmiko | just to be clear about any sort of upgrade wsgi/script stuff, one of the goals is to have a singular wsgi container that can be consumed by apache or another pipeline? | 20:39 |
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| Asha | thanks a lot redrobot ... | 20:39 |
| redrobot | elmiko yes, I would think so... there's nothing in Barbican that should prevent it from running in any web server | 20:39 |
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| redrobot | elmiko ideally we should be able to run in uwsgi, apache, gunicorn, nginx, or whatever people want to toss barbican into | 20:40 |
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| elmiko | redrobot: ok, cool. totally down with it =) | 20:40 |
| elmiko | and then, we can make a simple helper for dev work or convenience in a single install that can just run that container. | 20:41 |
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| elmiko | just want to make sure i've got the target in sight for the spec. thanks! | 20:41 |
| alee | anyone else having trouble running tox on master? | 20:42 |
| hockeynut | alee getting an error? | 20:43 |
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| alee | (sorry not sure if we're ready to transition to next topic yet) | 20:44 |
| redrobot | alee go ahead | 20:44 |
| redrobot | I think elmiko was done ? | 20:44 |
| elmiko | redrobot: yup, all done. | 20:44 |
| woodster_ | alee, yeah I was getting an error over the weekend | 20:45 |
| elmiko | i got the same error, but it was when i was running the server and db-migration scripts. not from tox. | 20:45 |
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| arunkant | redrobot: is there a plan/ need to add caching support in barbican? | 20:46 |
| woodster_ | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/i9EbcZnd/ | 20:46 |
| woodster_ | alee: look familiar? | 20:47 |
| alee | anyone else still out there? | 20:47 |
| woodster_ | sorry, probably better for the project channel... | 20:47 |
| elmiko | alee: yo/ | 20:48 |
| woodster_ | o/ | 20:48 |
| woodster_ | roll call again? :) | 20:48 |
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| elmiko | hehe | 20:48 |
| elmiko | i actually reran the tox tests after alee mentioned it, but they passed for me | 20:48 |
| elmiko | i used a fresh env though | 20:48 |
| redrobot | alee have you tried nuking your db file? | 20:48 |
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| woodster_ | yeah I tried to blow way .tox and start from scratch...no luck getting rid of my error | 20:48 |
| redrobot | heh... guess he was having connection issues?' | 20:49 |
| jaosorior | redrobot: Now I'm getting the same error, and deleting the file didn't help | 20:49 |
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| jaosorior | alee: ping | 20:49 |
| woodster_ | jaosorior: which error? | 20:49 |
| alee | pong | 20:49 |
| redrobot | jaosorior weird | 20:49 |
| alee | sorry - I think I dropped out | 20:49 |
| redrobot | seems like there's definitely something fishy going on | 20:49 |
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| alee | was seeing nothing for awhile | 20:50 |
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| jaosorior | Basically everything was working. I was using latest master and everything. Then since I was reading others were having errors, I thought I might be able to reproduce it by updating my box (since I was away I hadn't updated it in some weeks) | 20:50 |
| jaosorior | and yeah, I get a buuuunch of errors now | 20:50 |
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| jaosorior | possibly a tox update and... dunno what other problems | 20:51 |
| alee | jaosorior, are you getting "SecretStorePluginNotConfigured" ? | 20:51 |
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| woodster_ | I only see ''NoneType' object has no attribute 'conf'' but it is on every test :) | 20:51 |
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| alee | jaosorior, redrobot -interestingly when I try an older tree, it runs just fine. | 20:52 |
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| jaosorior | here's the tox output: http://pastebin.com/GERZNtNb | 20:52 |
| alee | jaosorior, redrobot so some combination of the latest code + updated packages seems to cause this | 20:52 |
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| redrobot | alee weird indeed... I don't think we'll figure out in the meeting though. Want to take the discussion back to our channel? | 20:54 |
| woodster_ | tox is like a box of chocolates...I'd like to put my error back half-eaten, but that would be uncool :) | 20:54 |
| elmiko | lol! | 20:54 |
| woodster_ | redrobot: that works for me | 20:54 |
| alee | redrobot, ok | 20:54 |
| redrobot | alrighty guys, thanks for coming! | 20:55 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 8 20:55:07 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-06-08-20.00.html | 20:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-06-08-20.00.txt | 20:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-06-08-20.00.log.html | 20:55 |
| elmiko | thanks redrobot | 20:55 |
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