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| tmorin | #startmeeting bgpvpn | 15:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 9 15:03:36 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmorin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: bgpvpn)" | 15:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'bgpvpn' | 15:03 |
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| tmorin | hi matrohon, hi svinota | 15:04 |
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| matrohon | hi | 15:04 |
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| tmorin | hi pc_m | 15:04 |
| tmorin | hi pcarver | 15:04 |
| pc_m | tmorin: hi | 15:05 |
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| matrohon | anybody around for the bgpvpn meeting? | 15:05 |
| pc_m | matrohon: yup | 15:05 |
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| ni694458 | matrohon: yes for bgp vpn | 15:06 |
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| tmorin | hi ni694458, nice nick ;-P | 15:06 |
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| tmorin | ok, let's start | 15:08 |
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| tmorin | we did not update the agenda since we had ran out of time last week | 15:08 |
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| tmorin | the points we did not cover were: work on Horizon, work on Heat, and a status on drivers | 15:09 |
| tmorin | we can also cover additional points as relevant | 15:09 |
| matrohon | #link : https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/BGPVPN | 15:09 |
| tmorin | #topic work item Horizon | 15:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "work item Horizon (Meeting topic: bgpvpn)" | 15:10 | |
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| tmorin | pc_m (I think) had mentioned there would be two distinct parts, one for admin, one for tenant | 15:10 |
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| pc_m | not me :) | 15:11 |
| tmorin | ok, well, this is still true ;) | 15:11 |
| tmorin | #undo | 15:11 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x9566c50> | 15:11 |
| tmorin | we need to make a better introduction first ;) | 15:11 |
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| tmorin | one big piece of news since last week is that networking-bgpvpn was formally approved as an official project under the neutron big tent | 15:12 |
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| matrohon | #link : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186041/ | 15:12 |
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| matrohon | the process to move the code to the neutron big test is on its way : | 15:13 |
| matrohon | #link : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188822/ | 15:13 |
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| matrohon | ^ s/test/tent | 15:14 |
| tmorin | as soon as the new repo is created, we'll move the spec and the associated discussion there | 15:14 |
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| matrohon | can we have a status on last meeting action points? | 15:15 |
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| tmorin | matrohon: well, yes, we should have started with that | 15:15 |
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| tmorin | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2015/bgpvpn.2015-06-02-15.01.html | 15:16 |
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| tmorin | "tmorin to update spec for type field" : I've done it, but not pushed the update yet | 15:16 |
| tmorin | "matrohon to create the new openstack repo" -> see above, in progress | 15:16 |
| tmorin | "matrohon to create blueprint and assign them"...? | 15:17 |
| matrohon | I've created 2 bps | 15:17 |
| matrohon | one for adding a list of RDs | 15:17 |
| matrohon | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+spec/api-optional-rd-list | 15:17 |
| matrohon | another one to be able to add several networks to a bgpvpn connection | 15:18 |
| matrohon | #link : https://blueprints.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+spec/multiple-net-attachment | 15:18 |
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| matrohon | I din't assigned them | 15:18 |
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| matrohon | I let people interested in it assign them to theirself | 15:19 |
| matrohon | or having an auto assigment asa they'll upstream some ccode | 15:19 |
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| tmorin | looks good | 15:19 |
| dhruvdhody | Regd "vikram update python-neutronclient code "; he is working on it | 15:19 |
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| tmorin | dhruvdhody: ok, good | 15:20 |
| matrohon | dhruvdhody : good! he agreed on waiting for the API to be upstream before pushing the code for the client | 15:20 |
| tmorin | but I guess a few things can be updated even before the API change on RDs and multiple networks are implemented | 15:21 |
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| matrohon | dhruvdhody : but it is worth looking at it to be responsive when the API will be available | 15:21 |
| tmorin | yes, starting before the API side is ready will be useful | 15:22 |
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| tmorin | svinota: we were just arriving at your action item :) | 15:22 |
| tmorin | "svinota to work on DB mappings and RD" | 15:23 |
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| dhruvdhody | matrohon: definitely, either he or someone from my team would take care if it | 15:23 |
| matrohon | dhruvdhody : great | 15:23 |
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| pc_m | so I take it that the team is past the point of considering whether or not the API should be integrated in with the VPNaaS API? | 15:24 |
| tmorin | I guess we're still ready to converge when/if a relevant convergence emerges | 15:25 |
| tmorin | but not waiting for that to progress on a solution | 15:25 |
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| tmorin | svinota: can you give us a view on your progress on "svinota to work on DB mappings and RD" ? | 15:26 |
| matrohon | pc_m : does it make sense to you? | 15:26 |
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| svinota | tmorin, takes a bit more time than I expected, but will be submitted these days — hopefully tonight. | 15:26 |
| john_a_joyce | in order to converge we would have to compromise a bit and make some changes to this API | 15:26 |
| tmorin | svinota: excellent | 15:27 |
| pc_m | matrohon: sure. Hopefully we can look at it and see if there is any commonality, so that the users' experience is consistent. | 15:27 |
| john_a_joyce | there seems no appetite to to that | 15:27 |
| tmorin | john_a_joyce: "this API" being which API ? current BGP VPN API ? | 15:27 |
| john_a_joyce | yes | 15:27 |
| tmorin | john_a_joyce: well, I'm not even clear what the changes would be | 15:28 |
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| john_a_joyce | I don't want to derail - but we did have some concrete proposal last week and also in the specific convergence meeting | 15:29 |
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| tmorin | pc_m: the discussion on the benefit on finding commonality are still worth debating | 15:29 |
| pc_m | tmorin: agree. | 15:29 |
| john_a_joyce | but it would need a bit of compromise on the part of this team - I feel | 15:29 |
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| matrohon | john_a_joyce : what compromises? | 15:30 |
| john_a_joyce | we should probably not get bogged down on it here since not all the parties maybe on | 15:30 |
| tmorin | john_a_joyce: to me, there was not a satisfying conclusion on a specific proposal that would make a user experience really consistent | 15:31 |
| tmorin | john_a_joyce: agreed | 15:31 |
| pc_m | Do we want to discuss that at the VPNaaS IRC in 30 mins? | 15:31 |
| john_a_joyce | tmorin: I don't agree with your user experience comment - but lets take it up in the proper forum | 15:32 |
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| tmorin | pc_m: ok, let's see if we can make better progress this week | 15:32 |
| matrohon | pc_m : If there is a clear conclusion, I'd love to ear it! | 15:32 |
| tmorin | let's pursue on action items | 15:32 |
| tmorin | next one is "tmorin investigate unit test coverage to db persistency" | 15:32 |
| pc_m | #action explore API convergence in VPNaaS meeting | 15:33 |
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| matrohon | pc_m : If not, I can help to underline the overlaps between the two API | 15:33 |
| * tmorin did not progress on this action item | 15:33 | |
| tmorin | I did progress on making the bagpipe driver easier to intergrate in functional tests though | 15:34 |
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| tmorin | making it able to use a vxlan encap (which is not standard, but will allow to exercise the whole chain without having to deploy in the test VM a specific not-yet-released version of OVS supporting MPLS) | 15:35 |
| svinota | oh, that's great | 15:36 |
| svinota | really | 15:36 |
| tmorin | yes, and not hard to do by the way | 15:36 |
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| tmorin | was pushed to day on bagpipe-bgp github | 15:37 |
| tmorin | we're done with action items | 15:37 |
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| tmorin | #topic work items | 15:37 |
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| tmorin | the work items we did not discussed were: Horizon and Heat | 15:37 |
| tmorin | clearly lower priority than the rest, but relevant nevertheless | 15:38 |
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| tmorin | someone (can't remember who) said we should have two separate (admin and tenant) for Horizon | 15:38 |
| tmorin | this is true and the spec now keeps track of that | 15:38 |
| tmorin | I don't know if someone would volunteer on working on either of these | 15:38 |
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| tmorin | can be looked at later | 15:39 |
| pc_m | Carl did | 15:39 |
| pc_m | recommended admin/tenant | 15:39 |
| * svinota has to leave, will reach tmorin this evening | 15:39 | |
| tmorin | you mean the comment was by Carl | 15:39 |
| tmorin | ok | 15:39 |
| tmorin | yes | 15:39 |
| tmorin | ok, bye petr | 15:40 |
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| svinota | bye | 15:40 |
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| tmorin | Heat: not urgent either, but if anyone is interested, than will be relevant to cover | 15:40 |
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| tmorin | ok, that will be for later too | 15:42 |
| tmorin | another topic raised (by pc_m) was on how we specify RTs | 15:42 |
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| tmorin | currently, we have route_targets plus import_targets and export_targets | 15:42 |
| tmorin | the spec explains why | 15:42 |
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| tmorin | pc_m you suggest only keeping import_targets and export_targets in the datamodel, but possibly keeping the three in the API | 15:43 |
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| pc_m | tmorin: Yeah, didn't think we needed to duplicate info in the dbase | 15:43 |
| pc_m | The api could accept a route_targets parm and store in both lists. | 15:44 |
| pc_m | just a thought. | 15:44 |
| tmorin | the issue I would see is that it becomes impossible on a "show" request, to reply the same thing that the user gave when it created the object | 15:44 |
| tmorin | since we loose information if we merge before storing in the db | 15:45 |
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| tmorin | pc_m: I don't understand : the API really needs to offer the ability to provide distinct lists for import and exports | 15:45 |
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| tmorin | pc_m: and what kind of duplication are you wanting to avoid ? | 15:46 |
| pc_m | tmorin: Maybe I misunderstand the fields? | 15:46 |
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| tmorin | what is critical is preserving the ability to specify two lists | 15:47 |
| tmorin | through the API | 15:47 |
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| pc_m | tmorin: I thought that the user could specify import or export, or could specify route_targets, meaning they are both import and export. | 15:47 |
| tmorin | while we could live with two lists exposed via the API, it is useful to have a third one for RTs common to both lists | 15:47 |
| tmorin | this is useful in the simpler and most common use case where only one RT is used for both import and export | 15:48 |
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| tmorin | pc_m: this is correct | 15:48 |
| pc_m | tmorin: So, if I add a RT as import, and later add it as export, how will that be handled? Add it to the route_target list and remove from other? or have show that has some in route_target list and some is both import and output list. | 15:48 |
| pc_m | some in | 15:49 |
| tmorin | ok, maybe I got your point | 15:49 |
| tmorin | on a "show" request we would recreate "route_targets" based on RTs common to export and imports | 15:50 |
| pc_m | thinking the database can be normalized. The user API could allow for the easier input (whcih makes sense). | 15:50 |
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| pc_m | right. | 15:50 |
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| tmorin | ok | 15:51 |
| tmorin | seems to make sense | 15:51 |
| pc_m | if they later add the other direction, then it could be included in the route_targets output of show. | 15:51 |
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| tmorin | let's then add to the spec that the datamodel will store only two lists and translate back to the API to show in "route_targets" the RTs that are common | 15:51 |
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| tmorin | #action tmorin to update specs to indicate that DB will store only import_rts and export_rts | 15:52 |
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| tmorin | we're close to the end of the meeting | 15:52 |
| tmorin | anyone sees anything else ? | 15:52 |
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| tmorin | yes, one point: there is an ongoing discussion (on the API spec gerrit change) on whether or not we should attach a BGPVPN connection to the router | 15:53 |
| tmorin | we will plan this topic for next week, hoping that interested people can be present | 15:53 |
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| tmorin | I will readd the unclosed action items, so that the last IRC logs will show them too | 15:54 |
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| tmorin | #action tmorin to investigate unit test coverage to db persistency | 15:55 |
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| tmorin | #action vikram to update python-neutronclient code | 15:55 |
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| tmorin | #action svinota to work on DB mappings and RD (mostly done) | 15:55 |
| tmorin | #action matrohon to create the new openstack repo | 15:55 |
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| tmorin | ok, I think we are done | 15:56 |
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| tmorin | discuss to follow up in VPNaaS | 15:56 |
| tmorin | thanks everyone! | 15:56 |
| matrohon | tmorin : thanks | 15:56 |
| pc_m | tmorin: bye | 15:56 |
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| dhruvdhody | tmorin: bye | 15:56 |
| tmorin | #endmeeting | 15:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 9 15:57:14 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2015/bgpvpn.2015-06-09-15.03.html | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2015/bgpvpn.2015-06-09-15.03.txt | 15:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2015/bgpvpn.2015-06-09-15.03.log.html | 15:57 |
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| ewindisch | hello | 16:01 |
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| adrian_otto | we will begin in just a moment. Please stand by. | 16:02 |
| thomasem | mmkay | 16:03 |
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| adrian_otto | ewindisch will be our chair today | 16:03 |
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| ewindisch | #startmeeting #openstack-containers | 16:03 |
| adrian_otto | I will check back in a bit later, as I am in transit today. | 16:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 9 16:03:53 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ewindisch. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to '_openstack_containers' | 16:03 |
| adrian_otto | wait | 16:04 |
| ewindisch | ugh | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | "#startmeeting containers" | 16:04 |
| ewindisch | yeah... | 16:04 |
| ewindisch | #startmeeting containers | 16:04 |
| openstack | ewindisch: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 16:04 |
| ewindisch | #endmeeting | 16:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 9 16:04:23 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:04 |
| ewindisch | #startmeeting containers | 16:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/_openstack_containers/2015/_openstack_containers.2015-06-09-16.03.html | 16:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/_openstack_containers/2015/_openstack_containers.2015-06-09-16.03.txt | 16:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/_openstack_containers/2015/_openstack_containers.2015-06-09-16.03.log.html | 16:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 9 16:04:26 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ewindisch. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 16:04 |
| ewindisch | been a while! | 16:04 |
| ewindisch | #topic roll call | 16:04 |
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| bich_le | Good morning from California. | 16:05 |
| diga__ | Digambar Patil | 16:05 |
| hongbin | o/ | 16:05 |
| rpothier | Rob Pothier | 16:05 |
| ewindisch | o/ | 16:05 |
| Tango | Ton Ngo | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | thanks ewindisch | 16:05 |
| juggler | o/ | 16:05 |
| bradjones | o/ | 16:05 |
| eghobo | o/ | 16:05 |
| joffter | o/ | 16:05 |
| dane_leblanc | o/ | 16:05 |
| ewindisch | #topic Announcements | 16:05 |
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| ewindisch | feel free to 'o/' if you missed rollcall | 16:05 |
| ewindisch | 1) adrian_otto and sdake are out today due to travel | 16:06 |
| ewindisch | 2) Reminder that OpenStack milestone 11 comes on June 25 | 16:06 |
| ewindisch | any other announcements from the community? | 16:06 |
| ewindisch | going once.. | 16:07 |
| jjlehr | o/ | 16:07 |
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| ewindisch | twice | 16:07 |
| thomasem | o/ | 16:07 |
| ewindisch | and... done | 16:07 |
| muralia1 | o/ | 16:07 |
| ewindisch | #topic Blueprint / Task review | 16:08 |
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| diga__ | I need some inputs on this one https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/mesos-bay-type | 16:08 |
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| diga__ | mesos bay with coreos | 16:08 |
| diga__ | hongbin: you there | 16:08 |
| hongbin | yes | 16:08 |
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| diga__ | Here I need to run coreos instance with mesos installed | 16:09 |
| ewindisch | any others anyone wishes to review? the agenda has auto-generate-name and magnum-horizon-plugin | 16:09 |
| diga__ | right ? | 16:09 |
| diga__ | I am starting work on this today | 16:09 |
| hongbin | diga__: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/mesos-bay-with-coreos | 16:10 |
| diga__ | oops | 16:10 |
| ewindisch | diga__: I can look at getting you feedback for Swarm+Mesos if you'd like | 16:10 |
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| eghobo | diga__: are you going to build mesos for CoreOS? | 16:10 |
| diga__ | ewindisch: sure | 16:10 |
| diga__ | yes | 16:10 |
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| eghobo | any specific reasons why do you need CoreOS? | 16:11 |
| ewindisch | diga__: send me an email and I can get you an introduction to the right folks to answer questions; ewindisch -at- docker com | 16:11 |
| diga__ | ewindisch: Thanks | 16:11 |
| mfalatic | o/ | 16:11 |
| hongbin | eghobo: That is decided on the last meeting I think. | 16:11 |
| hongbin | eghobo: We will have mesos on ubuntu and coreos | 16:12 |
| hongbin | Then, operators can choose their preferred os | 16:12 |
| diga__ | yes | 16:12 |
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| hongbin | any other inputs from the mesos BP? | 16:13 |
| ewindisch | any objections to it? | 16:13 |
| diga__ | ewindisch: will send you all the question which I need to clarify | 16:13 |
| diga__ | nops | 16:14 |
| eghobo | hongbin: I will review deeply, sorry was busy last week | 16:14 |
| ewindisch | #action diga__ to contact ewindsich regarding Swarm+Mesos questions | 16:14 |
| hongbin | eghobo: NP | 16:14 |
| ewindisch | diga__: I would say this blueprint needs to decide on a framework before proceeding | 16:14 |
| diga__ | ewindisch: yes | 16:14 |
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| diga__ | ewindisch: currently we have decided to go with mesos+marathon for this BP | 16:15 |
| ewindisch | diga__: want that as an AI as well, to decide on the framework? | 16:15 |
| ewindisch | ah | 16:15 |
| diga__ | AI ?? | 16:15 |
| ewindisch | diga__: then perhaps reflect that in the BP ;-) | 16:16 |
| ewindisch | diga__: action item | 16:16 |
| diga__ | okay | 16:16 |
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| hongbin | ewindisch: Marathon is the first framework | 16:16 |
| hongbin | Other frameworks will be supported on demand | 16:16 |
| hongbin | Sure. That needs further discussion | 16:16 |
| ewindisch | I see now, that the bottom indicates that Marathon would be the first supported | 16:17 |
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| hongbin | Yes, it is | 16:17 |
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| ewindisch | okay. Ready for the next BP? | 16:17 |
| rbradfor | o/ | 16:17 |
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| ewindisch | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/auto-generate-name | 16:18 |
| ewindisch | Any objections to approving this? Any takers to own this? | 16:18 |
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| jay-lau-513 | this might need more discussion, but I think that we can first make the auto generate name in | 16:19 |
| jay-lau-513 | make sense? | 16:19 |
| hongbin | How about the uniqueness of the name? | 16:20 |
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| ewindisch | the mailing list discussion seems to have gone in a good, forward direction. I don't see any significant questions as to what needs to be done. | 16:20 |
| eghobo | jay-lau-513: what's your concerns? | 16:20 |
| eghobo | lets discuss them before approving bp | 16:20 |
| jay-lau-513 | ok, so we need to make the allow_duplicate_baymodel_name configurable for this bp | 16:21 |
| diga__ | dont we really need auto-generated name ?? | 16:21 |
| ewindisch | hongbin: do you wish the BP notes a specific number of autogenerated name permutations? | 16:21 |
| hongbin | ewindisch: Haven't thought about it yet | 16:22 |
| jay-lau-513 | hongbin a configuration parameter will decide if the name is unique or not | 16:22 |
| ewindisch | personally, I'm an advocate of always having unique names, but that's because I'm also an advocate of using the name to generate the UUID. | 16:22 |
| ewindisch | but unique names means the auto-generator needs to have a very large number of permutations | 16:22 |
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| jay-lau-513 | ewindisch I think that we can have same names under different tenant | 16:23 |
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| ewindisch | jay-lau-513: that's fine. | 16:23 |
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| ewindisch | jay-lau-513: I mean the same name should be unique within a tenant | 16:23 |
| eghobo | ewindisch: +1, let add this to bp | 16:24 |
| ewindisch | is there a legitimate, strong desire for allowing duplciate bay/model names? | 16:24 |
| juggler | would it be beneficial for the BP to describe a few example cases maybe? | 16:24 |
| jay-lau-513 | I recalled that Adrian do want to introduce a global baymodel | 16:25 |
| jay-lau-513 | but this can be another bp | 16:25 |
| jay-lau-513 | ewindisch duplicate name might be only for multi tenant, thoughts? | 16:25 |
| Tango | So for a tenant, name is always unique? | 16:26 |
| hongbin | I think autogenerated name + config for allow duplicate will be the starting point | 16:26 |
| ewindisch | jay-lau-513: yes, I never meant to suggest that names could not be duplicated *across* tenants. That's okay | 16:26 |
| ewindisch | so I can call a vote on this. | 16:26 |
| hongbin | We can worry about tenant and glance name later | 16:26 |
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| jay-lau-513 | so we all agree on making this configurable now? | 16:27 |
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| ewindisch | jay-lau-513: why make it configurable? | 16:27 |
| juggler | hang on...how about my feedback above? | 16:28 |
| ewindisch | juggler: example cases? | 16:28 |
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| ewindisch | juggler: I think it would be useful to see how this proposes to generate the names, in the format and complexity of those names. | 16:29 |
| juggler | yes, like for example, what example output is expected from the function | 16:29 |
| jay-lau-513 | ewindisch 2) Add a configuration directives (default=FALSE) for allow_duplicate_bay_name | 16:29 |
| jay-lau-513 | and allow_duplicate_baymodel_name. If TRUE, duplicate named Bay and BayModel | 16:29 |
| jay-lau-513 | resources will be allowed, as they are today. | 16:29 |
| jay-lau-513 | This way, by default Magnum requires a unique name, and if none is specified, it | 16:29 |
| jay-lau-513 | will automatically generate a name. This way no additional burden is put on | 16:29 |
| jay-lau-513 | users who want to act on containers exclusively using UUIDs, and cloud operators | 16:29 |
| jay-lau-513 | can decide if they want to enforce name uniqueness or not. | 16:29 |
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| jay-lau-513 | weindisch get from Adrian's comments | 16:29 |
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| juggler | ewindisch yeah, I think having an example clarifies the bp well | 16:31 |
| juggler | ewindisch esp with a clear format idea | 16:31 |
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| ewindisch | jay-lau-513: I read the BP. I just don't see the use-case for allowing duplicates (within a tenant) | 16:32 |
| ewindisch | jay-lau-513: perhaps we defer to the mailing list and make sure this gets fleshed out? | 16:33 |
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| jay-lau-513 | ewindisch i think so | 16:33 |
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| hongbin | Yes, sure | 16:33 |
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| ewindisch | jay-lau-513: I like juggler's suggestion of clarifying the uniqueness algorithm. Okay with adding that to the BP? | 16:34 |
| jay-lau-513 | ewindisch yes, i will try to get some idea from docker for how to generate names | 16:34 |
| ewindisch | jay-lau-513: feel free to read that code, but I will suggest it's not the best algorithm in the world | 16:35 |
| diga__ | +1 | 16:35 |
| jay-lau-513 | ewindisch ok | 16:35 |
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| jay-lau-513 | ewindisch just want to see if I can get some idea from it | 16:36 |
| juggler | jay-lau-513 thx for the clarifying | 16:36 |
| ewindisch | jay-lau-513: personally, I'd advise a combination of 4 words constructed from 3-4 letter words from a dictionary of several thousand words. That will give you a trillion unique names. The Docker method gives you a few thousand unique names | 16:36 |
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| diga__ | jay-lau-513: you may want to take a look at this - https://github.com/docker/docker/blob/master/pkg/namesgenerator/names-generator.go | 16:37 |
| jay-lau-513 | juggler ewindisch diga__ thanks all | 16:37 |
| jay-lau-513 | will have a try | 16:38 |
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| diga__ | yep | 16:38 |
| ewindisch | #action jay-lau-513 Clarify human name generation algorithm plans in BP | 16:38 |
| eghobo | ewindisch: thousand running containers at the same host, sounds good enough ;) | 16:38 |
| ewindisch | #action jay-lau-513 Seek consensus on duplicate names on ML | 16:38 |
| eghobo | I doubt we will have thousand of bay models | 16:39 |
| ewindisch | eghobo: right, but if this algorithm is used in Magnum for container names eventually, it would be good if it handled more than a few thousand for a datacenter | 16:39 |
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| ewindisch | eghobo: I agree the docker model will be enough for BayModels | 16:39 |
| jay-lau-513 | exactly | 16:39 |
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| ewindisch | okay, next BP? | 16:40 |
| ewindisch | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-horizon-plugin | 16:41 |
| juggler | sounds good | 16:41 |
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| eghobo | jay-lau-513: also make sense to take a look at Elastic Search algorithm, just for ideas | 16:41 |
| juggler | (reviewing it that is.. :) ) | 16:41 |
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| jay-lau-513 | eghobo i c | 16:41 |
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| bradjones | I can talk about magnum-horizon-plugin | 16:42 |
| bradjones | spec is out for review here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188958/ | 16:42 |
| ewindisch | I'm not sure where discussion on this left off. The agenda mentions that there was a consensus on identifying interested contributors and adding them to magnum core | 16:43 |
| ewindisch | I see the BP now lists several interested contributors | 16:43 |
| eghobo | my concern is "Pod, Container, Service, ReplicationController" it's very kub specific | 16:43 |
| hongbin | ewindisch: The discussion is whether to create a new team for magnum-ui, or not | 16:44 |
| ewindisch | eghobo: I don't think that's in the scope of this BP anyway | 16:44 |
| ewindisch | sounds like, "post BP work" | 16:44 |
| eghobo | ewindisch: if it's not lets remove it from bp | 16:44 |
| jay-lau-513 | yes, the current bp want to focus on bay and baymodel | 16:44 |
| rbradfor | eghobo, these name scope issues matches the problems with the openstackclient problems, e.g. "container" is already used for image management. | 16:44 |
| bradjones | the spec talks about magnum-ui as a complete entity which will eventually include Pod, Container ... but the initial effort is centered around Bay and BayModel | 16:45 |
| eghobo | ok, I agree that Bay and BayModel is good to start | 16:46 |
| ewindisch | bradjones: Perhaps clarify that such will be carried out in future blueprints, and are only examples of future direction | 16:46 |
| bradjones | ewindisch: sure I can make that clearer in the spec | 16:46 |
| ewindisch | bradjones: thanks | 16:46 |
| eghobo | after that we will add sub plugins for Kub, Mesos, Swarm (sounds like Neutron ;)) | 16:47 |
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| ewindisch | bradjones: how about I propose to Adrian that he add you as Magnum core and then as this moves forward, future -ui folks may join in as well? | 16:48 |
| ewindisch | or at least until a meeting that he chairs and can make such decisions | 16:48 |
| ewindisch | ;-) | 16:48 |
| bradjones | ewindisch: sure however works best | 16:48 |
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| ewindisch | anyone outright disagree with spec/magnum-horizon-plugin ? | 16:49 |
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| eghobo | bradjones: I have question about separate git repo | 16:50 |
| bradjones | eghobo: fire away | 16:50 |
| eghobo | I thought all Horizon plugins in Horizon repo | 16:50 |
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| hongbin | ewindisch: For the ui, sdake proposed a separated ui team in this ML http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/066296.html | 16:51 |
| bradjones | eghobo: it has been that way until recently however, they are trying to move away from that model | 16:51 |
| ewindisch | hongbin: thanks | 16:51 |
| hongbin | The idea is to start a new ui team | 16:51 |
| eghobo | I see, I didn't know that thx for clarification | 16:52 |
| bradjones | Horizon will just become the building blocks for other OpenStack projects to build their UIs with and pull them all together | 16:52 |
| ewindisch | so how about we just agree to defer to Adrian? :) | 16:52 |
| hongbin | sure | 16:52 |
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| bradjones | It makes sense especially with Big Tent otherwise Horizon would have to manage all the things! | 16:52 |
| juggler | ewindisch lol! | 16:52 |
| bradjones | ewindisch: sounds good, will just be good to get a decision made soon so I can move forward with creating the repo | 16:53 |
| ewindisch | shucks, lets vote. | 16:53 |
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| ewindisch | #startvote Create separate magnum-ui-core team (and repo) | 16:53 |
| openstack | Unable to parse vote topic and options. | 16:53 |
| ewindisch | #help | 16:54 |
| ewindisch | #startvote | 16:54 |
| openstack | Unable to parse vote topic and options. | 16:54 |
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| diga__ | ewindisch: "startvote" wont work, you can directly ask for vote | 16:54 |
| ewindisch | #startvote Create separate magnum-ui-core team (and repo)? Yes, No | 16:54 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Create separate magnum-ui-core team (and repo)? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 16:54 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 16:54 |
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| ewindisch | #vote Yes | 16:55 |
| hongbin | #vote Yes | 16:55 |
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| jay-lau-513 | #vote Yes | 16:55 |
| Tango | Yes | 16:55 |
| diga__ | #vote Yes | 16:55 |
| juggler | #vote Yes | 16:55 |
| rbradfor | #vote Yes | 16:55 |
| bich_le | #vote yes | 16:55 |
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| bich_le | #vote Yes | 16:55 |
| rpothier | #vote Yes | 16:55 |
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| eghobo | #vote No, I prefer to have one core team for magnum | 16:56 |
| openstack | eghobo: No, I prefer to have one core team for magnum is not a valid option. Valid options are Yes, No. | 16:56 |
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| eghobo | #vote No | 16:56 |
| ewindisch | all in? | 16:56 |
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| joffter | #vote Yes | 16:57 |
| ewindisch | mfalatic: thomasem: muralia1 ? | 16:57 |
| jay-lau-513 | Perhaps we can ask Sahara Team for some experience | 16:57 |
| jay-lau-513 | I see Sahara has only one core team | 16:57 |
| muralia1 | #vote: yes | 16:57 |
| openstack | muralia1: : yes is not a valid option. Valid options are Yes, No. | 16:57 |
| jay-lau-513 | Just curious how they run different projects with one core tem | 16:57 |
| ewindisch | 3... | 16:57 |
| muralia1 | #vote: Yes | 16:57 |
| openstack | muralia1: : Yes is not a valid option. Valid options are Yes, No. | 16:58 |
| rbradfor | Infra has now created a council, more a management over smaller core teams. | 16:58 |
| ewindisch | 2... | 16:58 |
| juggler | muralia1 maybe lose the colon | 16:58 |
| muralia1 | #vote Yes | 16:58 |
| muralia1 | :) | 16:58 |
| ewindisch | 1... | 16:58 |
| thomasem | #vote yes | 16:58 |
| mfalatic | #vote:yes | 16:58 |
| juggler | yea! | 16:58 |
| openstack | mfalatic: :yes is not a valid option. Valid options are Yes, No. | 16:58 |
| mfalatic | #vote: yes | 16:58 |
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| openstack | mfalatic: : yes is not a valid option. Valid options are Yes, No. | 16:58 |
| mfalatic | #vote: Yes | 16:58 |
| openstack | mfalatic: : Yes is not a valid option. Valid options are Yes, No. | 16:58 |
| thomasem | sorry, ewindisch, was still reading through | 16:58 |
| ewindisch | hah | 16:58 |
| mfalatic | #vote Yes | 16:58 |
| mfalatic | lol | 16:58 |
| mfalatic | ok then | 16:58 |
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| diga__ | guys we are running out of time | 16:58 |
| ewindisch | #endvote | 16:59 |
| openstack | Voted on "Create separate magnum-ui-core team (and repo)?" Results are | 16:59 |
| openstack | Yes (12): juggler, hongbin, diga__, rbradfor, rpothier, jay-lau-513, ewindisch, muralia1, bich_le, mfalatic, joffter, thomasem | 16:59 |
| openstack | No (1): eghobo | 16:59 |
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| ewindisch | #agreed Recommend to adrian_otto to create separate ui team | 16:59 |
| ewindisch | with eghobo's concerns considered! | 16:59 |
| juggler | good time for meeting closure stuff | 16:59 |
| ewindisch | yep | 16:59 |
| juggler | or relocation housekeeping :) | 16:59 |
| ewindisch | #topic Open Discussion | 17:00 |
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| ewindisch | seconds ... anything? | 17:00 |
| juggler | feel free to review: https://bugs.launchpad.net/magnum/+bug/1451678 | 17:00 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1451678 in Magnum "Add link to dev-manual-devstack.rst into document dev-quickstart.rst" [High,In progress] - Assigned to P Rivera (juggler) | 17:00 |
| juggler | not now, but later ;) | 17:00 |
| ewindisch | okay, giving it 30 seconds and then closing. | 17:00 |
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| ewindisch | continuing in #openstack-containers | 17:00 |
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| rbradfor | Infra is requesting a +1 from Magnum core team to add coverage to review process -- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187753/ | 17:00 |
| ewindisch | thanks everyone! | 17:01 |
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| ewindisch | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 9 17:01:08 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-06-09-16.04.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-06-09-16.04.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-06-09-16.04.log.html | 17:01 |
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| serg_melikyan | #startmeeting murano | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 9 17:01:26 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is serg_melikyan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:01 |
| serg_melikyan | Hi folks :) | 17:01 |
| serg_melikyan | o/ | 17:01 |
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| katyafervent | 0/ | 17:01 |
| kztsv_mpb | all. | 17:01 |
| StanLagun | o/ | 17:01 |
| FilipBlaha | Hi! | 17:01 |
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| freerunner | Yo! | 17:02 |
| kztsv_mpb | btw. is it ok to change names? (kzaitsev here) =) | 17:02 |
| aderyugin | Hi! | 17:02 |
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| Nikolay_St | o/ | 17:02 |
| ruhe | o/ | 17:02 |
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| kztsv_mpb | ate there any stats or smth for meetings? | 17:02 |
| serg_melikyan | Yeah, better to stick with one that you are using always though :) | 17:02 |
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| serg_melikyan | kztsv_mpb: about which stats you are talking about? | 17:03 |
| kztsv_mpb | I intend on using several with different _smth postfix | 17:03 |
| serg_melikyan | There is following staff: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/ | 17:03 |
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| kztsv_mpb | I think I saw a talk, that mentioned some stats about irc meetings | 17:04 |
| serg_melikyan | Agenda for today's meeting: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda | 17:04 |
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| kztsv_mpb | maybe I'm imagining things =) | 17:04 |
| serg_melikyan | We have pretty packed agenda for today :) | 17:04 |
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| serg_melikyan | #topic Action Items Review | 17:05 |
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| serg_melikyan | #1 sergmelikyan create a doodle to select date for overview meeting | 17:05 |
| serg_melikyan | I've sent e-mail regarding Murano Mid-Cycle Summit, please take a look and participate in choosing date and time | 17:06 |
| serg_melikyan | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/066326.html | 17:06 |
| serg_melikyan | I encourage you to open this doodle right now and participate ;) | 17:06 |
| serg_melikyan | Participated? :) | 17:08 |
| serg_melikyan | Let's move on? :) | 17:08 |
| kztsv_mpb | are dates in UTC? | 17:08 |
| serg_melikyan | Yep | 17:08 |
| katyafervent | I've already set my dates :) | 17:09 |
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| serg_melikyan | Ok :) | 17:09 |
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| katyafervent | so 10 will be 13:00 Moscow time and we have a meeting at that time | 17:10 |
| serg_melikyan | #topic Use launchpad.net/murano-apps | 17:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Use launchpad.net/murano-apps (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:10 | |
| serg_melikyan | I've sent e-mail regarding using separate launchpad project for our openstack/murano-apps repository and didn't get any feedback on that | 17:10 |
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| serg_melikyan | that's why I've added this item to our agenda | 17:10 |
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| katyafervent | Yeah, we should move all bugs related to the murano-apps to the new project | 17:10 |
| katyafervent | You can add AI for me or some other person who is willing to do that :) | 17:11 |
| katyafervent | Anybody? | 17:11 |
| serg_melikyan | I would start asking about if there any objections to that or not :) | 17:12 |
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| kztsv_mpb | I see no objections to using launchpad.net/murano-apps | 17:12 |
| katyafervent | Well, I don't know what would be in blueprints | 17:12 |
| katyafervent | and is it ok to support 3 different preojects? | 17:13 |
| serg_melikyan | new apps? | 17:13 |
| katyafervent | Yeah, ok | 17:13 |
| katyafervent | +1 from me | 17:13 |
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| Nikolay_St | +1 | 17:14 |
| katyafervent | I can go through bugs, select related to murano-apps and put the correct tag (as the result of the next topic discussion) | 17:14 |
| serg_melikyan | Ok, decided :) | 17:15 |
| katyafervent | And next topic is | 17:15 |
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| serg_melikyan | #agreed we are going to use launchpad.net/murano-apps for tracking bugs & bp related to apps | 17:16 |
| serg_melikyan | #action katyafervent will re-assign open bugs for apps to newly created project | 17:16 |
| ruhe | should it be reflected in documentation, primary LP project, README files? | 17:16 |
| serg_melikyan | #action sergmelikyan will populate project with appropriate release milestones | 17:16 |
| serg_melikyan | ruhe: for sure, | 17:17 |
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| serg_melikyan | #info documentation, readme needs to be updated to include information about lp/murano-apps | 17:18 |
| kztsv_mpb | This probably deserves a small 'documentation' bug then. Will add. | 17:18 |
| serg_melikyan | kztsv_mpb: thank you :) I expect that in Liberty you will hold a flag of "ultimate bug-fixer" :) | 17:18 |
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| serg_melikyan | #topic Use tags in launchpad (see Propose Tags section below) | 17:19 |
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| serg_melikyan | katyafervent: finally we are switched to your topic :) | 17:19 |
| katyafervent | Ok. So we have a need in better bug filtering | 17:20 |
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| katyafervent | to do that tags can help, since it's not so many tools that LP provides | 17:20 |
| katyafervent | I wanted to make a list, that will be used in murano project | 17:20 |
| katyafervent | I found similar list of tags, that are used in other OpenStack projects | 17:21 |
| katyafervent | So we can use project-wide tags | 17:21 |
| katyafervent | and approve tags for murano and update wiki after that | 17:22 |
| katyafervent | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-tags | 17:22 |
| katyafervent | Here is the list of proposed tags | 17:22 |
| katyafervent | there are 10 bugs | 17:23 |
| katyafervent | please, provide your opinion | 17:23 |
| serg_melikyan | I've took a look at the proposed list of the tags and found them pretty use-able, but we can't rely on the fact that users will assign appropriate tags to the bugs | 17:23 |
| kztsv_mpb | I strongly agree with the whole idea of tags. (I've already started using general OS tags for bugs that I file.) | 17:23 |
| serg_melikyan | tags assigning should be part of the triaging process | 17:23 |
| katyafervent | That's why bug-supervisors exist | 17:24 |
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| serg_melikyan | katyafervent: sure :) | 17:24 |
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| kztsv_mpb | serg_melikyan: I guess the bug still has to be confirmed and/or triaged by someone. that person should also put tags if appropriate | 17:24 |
| katyafervent | I have a question regarding tag " issues related to python-muranoclient use as a library" | 17:24 |
| katyafervent | is there only 2 types of bugs in murano-client: library-related and cli-related | 17:25 |
| katyafervent | is it tru& | 17:25 |
| serg_melikyan | I have concern regarding how useful this practice will be in reality - I didn't have issues with filtering before, and we don't have contributors that are working specifically on one of the code-base parts like engine or api | 17:25 |
| serg_melikyan | I am not sure that these tags will be used at all (I mean used for filtering, not assigning) | 17:26 |
| kztsv_mpb | well there can't be engine-related bugs in python-muranoclient, right? =) | 17:26 |
| katyafervent | Yes, and we don't have low-hanging-fruite for a long time and this is not good | 17:26 |
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| serg_melikyan | katyafervent: agree with that | 17:26 |
| serg_melikyan | I was mostly talking about db/engine/api and so on | 17:26 |
| kztsv_mpb | I've added several low-hanging-friuts recently ;) | 17:26 |
| serg_melikyan | So +1 for the idea from me, let's how it will work for us | 17:27 |
| katyafervent | so, if bug is not marked with cli tag it belongs to client library and do we need separate tag for that? | 17:27 |
| StanLagun | what tag to use for hot-packages bugs? for plugins? TOSCA etc? | 17:27 |
| kztsv_mpb | StanLagun: I do not think, that we should tag every bug | 17:27 |
| katyafervent | we can update list of tags | 17:28 |
| Nikolay_St | I know that in Sahara they use plugin-name tags for plugins | 17:28 |
| katyafervent | look to the Glance list, they have artefacts tag, it's kind of a new | 17:28 |
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| katyafervent | +1 for hot | 17:28 |
| serg_melikyan | StanLagun: you want so detailed tags?! | 17:28 |
| katyafervent | or heat | 17:28 |
| serg_melikyan | -1 for hot | 17:28 |
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| katyafervent | but plugins are not supposed to managed by murano | 17:29 |
| serg_melikyan | We will end-up with tag per each feature in that way | 17:29 |
| ruhe | my experience shows that it is time to introduce new tag once there is a sufficient amount of bugs under this group | 17:29 |
| serg_melikyan | and it will be a mess | 17:29 |
| StanLagun | serg_melikyan, no, I don't. Just tying to figure out how to use the tags in the list. Have bugs without tags looks good to me | 17:29 |
| serg_melikyan | Nikolay_St: in our case we don't have yet some set of core plugins | 17:29 |
| Nikolay_St | serg_melikyan: ok, it was just a suggestion | 17:30 |
| StanLagun | db tag looks strange | 17:30 |
| katyafervent | Please, answer: so, if bug is not marked with cli tag it belongs to client library and do we need separate tag for that? | 17:30 |
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| serg_melikyan | I generally think that list of tags should be as small as possible - we should not increase they number. | 17:30 |
| StanLagun | serg_melikyan, +1 | 17:31 |
| serg_melikyan | katyafervent: sorry did't get you question | 17:31 |
| katyafervent | so what about library tag and hot tag. | 17:31 |
| StanLagun | do we really need them at all? | 17:31 |
| katyafervent | StanLagun, how often are you looking for a bug to fix? | 17:32 |
| serg_melikyan | -100000 for hot tag, let's not extend number of tags from ones that are already proposed | 17:32 |
| katyafervent | new contributors will do it all the time | 17:32 |
| serg_melikyan | let's start with current proposal and see which tags will be used in reality | 17:32 |
| kztsv_mpb | StanLagun: Sure we do. Say we have a great front-end developer, ready to work on our dashboard bugs. How would you filter them for him? | 17:32 |
| ativelkov | folks, tags are intended to be added by anyone, aren't they? | 17:32 |
| serg_melikyan | katyafervent: as new contributor you have no idea what hot and engine is | 17:32 |
| serg_melikyan | ativelkov: yeah | 17:32 |
| katyafervent | The problem is that we know about almost all bugs we have, so we don't have to filter them | 17:33 |
| ativelkov | so, if we limit the list of tags, they stop being tags | 17:33 |
| kztsv_mpb | katyafervent: do we? =) I don't =) | 17:33 |
| katyafervent | what if I used to contribute to other openstack project | 17:33 |
| ativelkov | so, if someone wants to have a tag called "hot", why shouldn't he add one? | 17:33 |
| ativelkov | we just need a list of tags which have meaning for us as maintainers | 17:33 |
| katyafervent | and to heat also, the best start would be to look how murano interacts with heat | 17:33 |
| ativelkov | i.e. proposed-%releasename%, low-hanging-fruit etc | 17:34 |
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| katyafervent | ativelkov, +1 it's not 100% mandatory | 17:34 |
| StanLagun | katyafervent, I prefer readable bug titles. Also I I was frontend developer it would still be a good idea for me to walk through whole bug list so that I don't miss something | 17:34 |
| Nikolay_St | I agree with katyafervent | 17:34 |
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| ativelkov | all other tags may have meaning for other developers | 17:34 |
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| serg_melikyan | ativelkov: +1 for using this list of tags as ones that we use as maintainers but anyone can add any tags he/she wants to his bug | 17:35 |
| katyafervent | so let's add heat or hot ( I actually prefer heat) May be it would be useful for contributors from Alcatel | 17:35 |
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| ativelkov | may be we let contributor from Alcatel to decide what they need? :) | 17:36 |
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| serg_melikyan | #startvote Accept proposed list of tags as list used during bug-triaging, do not extend this list with new tags unless we see that people use them everyday? Yes, No | 17:36 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Accept proposed list of tags as list used during bug-triaging, do not extend this list with new tags unless we see that people use them everyday? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 17:36 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 17:36 |
| kztsv_mpb | #vote Yes | 17:37 |
| katyafervent | I just want to help, ok let's move on | 17:37 |
| serg_melikyan | #vote Yes | 17:37 |
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| katyafervent | #vote Yes | 17:37 |
| Nikolay_St | №vote yes | 17:37 |
| ativelkov | #vote Yes | 17:37 |
| StanLagun | #vote yes | 17:38 |
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| StanLagun | though I don't like db tag | 17:38 |
| freerunner | #vote yes | 17:38 |
| serg_melikyan | StanLagun: yeah :) I would also prefer database - so if katyafervent doesn't mind I would prefer database | 17:38 |
| StanLagun | serg_melikyan, I'd like not to have it at all. This is too specific | 17:39 |
| StanLagun | db is part of api | 17:39 |
| serg_melikyan | StanLagun: it's details, let's not discuss this here | 17:39 |
| serg_melikyan | We can argure forever on list of tags and spelling | 17:40 |
| FilipBlaha | #vote Yes | 17:40 |
| Nikolay_St | StanLagun: many projects uses db tag. | 17:41 |
| kztsv_mpb | any more votes? | 17:41 |
| serg_melikyan | #endvote | 17:41 |
| openstack | Voted on "Accept proposed list of tags as list used during bug-triaging, do not extend this list with new tags unless we see that people use them everyday?" Results are | 17:41 |
| openstack | Yes (7): StanLagun, ativelkov, katyafervent, serg_melikyan, kztsv_mpb, freerunner, FilipBlaha | 17:41 |
| serg_melikyan | Flawless victory :) | 17:42 |
| katyafervent | db is used in all other projects, so let's make it universal | 17:42 |
| serg_melikyan | #agreed accept proposed list of tags as list used during bug-triaging, do not extend this list with new tags unless we see that people use them everyday | 17:42 |
| katyafervent | AI to update wiki on me | 17:42 |
| serg_melikyan | #link list of proposed tagshttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-tags | 17:43 |
| katyafervent | #action Ekaterin Chernova update OpenStack wiki with approved tag list | 17:43 |
| serg_melikyan | #link list of proposed tags https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-tags | 17:43 |
| serg_melikyan | #topic Set proxy for instance automatically | 17:43 |
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| serg_melikyan | ativelkov: can you elaborate a little bit on this topic | 17:43 |
| serg_melikyan | ? | 17:43 |
| ativelkov | right | 17:43 |
| ativelkov | So, I had a cnverstation with one of our customers using Murano | 17:44 |
| ativelkov | One of the most significant issues they have is the fact that their VMs do not have internet connectivity due to their enterprise security policies | 17:44 |
| ativelkov | so, our execution plans cannot run successfully, as software repositories are not accessible from the VMs | 17:45 |
| FilipBlaha | the same in our office :-) | 17:45 |
| ativelkov | FilipBlaha: yeah, this should be a regular case | 17:46 |
| ativelkov | the workaround is obvious: to add an execution plan which configures VMs to use a proxy server | 17:46 |
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| ativelkov | (at least if such proxy exists in this particular enterprise) | 17:46 |
| serg_melikyan | FilipBlaha: which workaround you are using to overcome that issue? | 17:47 |
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| FilipBlaha | we are using images with already set proxy (workaround) | 17:47 |
| serg_melikyan | ativelkov: you propose to write a small library that would be able to do that or extend Murano to support that by default for LinuxMuranoInstance? | 17:47 |
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| ativelkov | Yes, I propose to add extra property to Instance class and appropriate method implementation in its inheritors to set-up proxies | 17:49 |
| ativelkov | So, the Instance page of the wizards will need to get extra optional fields to setup the proxy | 17:49 |
| ativelkov | right now it will be painful, as it will require us to change the UI definition of each application | 17:50 |
| ativelkov | so, +1 reason to implement the "per-component ui" feature | 17:50 |
| ativelkov | another thing to do is to add murano-wide default for this value, and read it from config file instead of asking the user | 17:50 |
| ativelkov | which is probably a better approach, as this is actually a cloud's environment setting, which should not be part of users' input | 17:51 |
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| slagun | ativelkov, proxy is a policy because if need needed it is needed for all instances and there is no need to configure it per-object. Also apps doesn't know about proxy and it would be wrong to expect every app to ask for it. This should be implemented as an aspect | 17:51 |
| ativelkov | slagun: yeah, sure. But I don't believe in aspects appearing before the U release | 17:52 |
| slagun | it may be implemented via config option till then | 17:52 |
| ativelkov | (where U stands for "Unicorns" if you know what I mean) | 17:52 |
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| ativelkov | slagun: yes, config option is exactly what I speak about :) | 17:53 |
| slagun | ativelkov, I'm a little bit more optimistic on this as there are too many use cases for them. I'd like them to be a part of M release roadmap. But this is off-topic | 17:54 |
| serg_melikyan | ativelkov: Let's start with blueprint and bring this topic to mailing list? | 17:54 |
| serg_melikyan | we have not so much time left for today | 17:54 |
| ativelkov | (still, a per-object override may be needed: in the same way we use to specify images and flavors per-instance. Proxy configuration are no difference from them) | 17:54 |
| ativelkov | serg_melikyan: agree | 17:54 |
| ativelkov | #action ativelkov to file a BP on proxies | 17:54 |
| slagun | we can make use of per-class configs for this feature | 17:54 |
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| serg_melikyan | #topic Backports to stable/kilo & stable/juno (see Backport links) | 17:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Backports to stable/kilo & stable/juno (see Backport links) (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:55 | |
| serg_melikyan | I propose to move this topic to ml as well | 17:55 |
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| serg_melikyan | kztsv_mpb: ok? | 17:55 |
| kztsv_mpb | sure | 17:56 |
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| kztsv_mpb | in short — I'm working on a list of backports and will write a letter about that shortly. | 17:56 |
| serg_melikyan | #topic Open Discussion | 17:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:56 | |
| serg_melikyan | Few minutes but still :) | 17:57 |
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| ativelkov | none asked | 17:59 |
| serg_melikyan | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 9 17:59:23 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-06-09-17.01.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-06-09-17.01.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-06-09-17.01.log.html | 17:59 |
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| devkulkarni | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 9 21:00:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devkulkarni. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 21:00 |
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| devkulkarni | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2015-06-09_2100_UTC Agenda for today | 21:00 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Roll Call | 21:00 |
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| devkulkarni | Devdatta Kulkarni | 21:00 |
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| devkulkarni | hi adrian_otto | 21:00 |
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| devkulkarni | I just started the meeting.. | 21:01 |
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| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: good. I was going to ask you to chair | 21:01 |
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| adrian_otto | I am still in transit today. | 21:01 |
| james_li | james li | 21:01 |
| devkulkarni | ok.. we had discussed it last time that you might be out | 21:01 |
| devkulkarni | hope you have safe travel | 21:01 |
| devkulkarni | hi james_li | 21:02 |
| adrian_otto | thanks! | 21:02 |
| mkam | Melissa Kam | 21:02 |
| devkulkarni | hi mkam | 21:02 |
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| pritic | Hello, this is Priti Changlani, new to the team. | 21:03 |
| devkulkarni | hi pritic | 21:03 |
| devkulkarni | glad to have you on the team | 21:03 |
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| devkulkarni | I am going to continue with next phase of meeting. | 21:04 |
| james_li | Hi pritic | 21:04 |
| devkulkarni | If anyone wants to chime in to mark their presence please feel free to do so anytime during the meeting | 21:05 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Announcements | 21:05 |
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| datsun180b | ed cranford | 21:05 |
| kebray | kebray here. | 21:05 |
| datsun180b | i promise i'm here | 21:05 |
| devkulkarni | any announcements from anyone | 21:05 |
| devkulkarni | hi kebray datsun180b | 21:05 |
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| devkulkarni | moving on to review action items topic | 21:06 |
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| devkulkarni | #topic Review Action Items | 21:06 |
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| james_li | devkulkarni: just saw you new spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189929/3 | 21:07 |
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| devkulkarni | we had two action items for adrian_otto.. but we can continue them to next week I guess since adrian_otto you are out.. let me know | 21:07 |
| devkulkarni | james_li: yeah.. i just submitted it, it is not completely ready yet. | 21:07 |
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| devkulkarni | to jog our memory, the action items were: 1) adrian_otto to spring clean our blueprints 2) adrian_otto to spring clean our bug list | 21:08 |
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| james_li | devkulkarni: do we want to send it to mail list once you finish writing it? | 21:08 |
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| devkulkarni | james_li: we could | 21:08 |
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| james_li | ok | 21:08 |
| devkulkarni | I definitely want to get randallburt's opinions on it | 21:08 |
| devkulkarni | I am going to carry forward the two action items mentioned above for next time | 21:09 |
| devkulkarni | #action adrian_otto to spring clean our blueprints | 21:09 |
| devkulkarni | #action adrian_otto to spring clean our bug list | 21:09 |
| adrian_otto | tx! | 21:09 |
| devkulkarni | thanks adrian_otto | 21:10 |
| devkulkarni | #topic BP/Task Review | 21:10 |
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| devkulkarni | I can talk about the spec that james_li was referring to above. | 21:10 |
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| devkulkarni | hi gpilz | 21:10 |
| gpilz | hi | 21:11 |
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| devkulkarni | we are in the Task Review topic | 21:11 |
| devkulkarni | ok, about the spec -- | 21:11 |
| devkulkarni | it is about how to support app update without changing the app's URL | 21:11 |
| devkulkarni | the basic idea is to use a heat template with load balancer and a server | 21:12 |
| james_li | app's endpoint URL | 21:12 |
| devkulkarni | yes, that is correct james_li | 21:12 |
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| devkulkarni | in the spec I have outlined a two step process that is supposed to achieve the end goal | 21:12 |
| devkulkarni | the main constraint to keep in mind is we may have multiple deployers | 21:13 |
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| devkulkarni | and so need to ensure that race conditions don't lead to incorrect system state | 21:13 |
| devkulkarni | (such as, more than two servers being created within the heat stack) | 21:14 |
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| devkulkarni | please take a look at the spec whenever you get a chance | 21:14 |
| james_li | so the spec is just focused on a *single* server? will it apply to the case that apps with multiple servers? | 21:14 |
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| devkulkarni | james_li: I have not considered apps with multiple servers. we will have to add support for multiple servers from the ground up (API layer, worker, etc.) | 21:15 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: Magnum has a solution for that | 21:15 |
| devkulkarni | we are not there yet in other areas of the code | 21:15 |
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| devkulkarni | oh nice! | 21:15 |
| adrian_otto | so if you deploy into a Magnum pod that might be one less thing to deal with | 21:15 |
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| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: mind elaborating on it? | 21:15 |
| adrian_otto | the actual solution is in Heat | 21:15 |
| adrian_otto | it has a new feature that allows for concurrent updates to the same stack | 21:16 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: I see.. | 21:16 |
| devkulkarni | is there any spec/docs that you can share with us on this? I would like to take a look | 21:16 |
| adrian_otto | it automatically serializes them so the last one is complete before you get an UPDATE_COMPLETE status back from the heat API. | 21:16 |
| adrian_otto | randallburt has details on this one | 21:17 |
| adrian_otto | I don't know about docs on it | 21:17 |
| devkulkarni | ok cool. | 21:17 |
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| devkulkarni | I will follow up with randallburt on this | 21:17 |
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| devkulkarni | thanks for the the pointer adrian_otto | 21:17 |
| adrian_otto | np | 21:17 |
| devkulkarni | thanks james_li and adrian_otto for the comments | 21:18 |
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| adrian_otto | I do remember more about it | 21:18 |
| adrian_otto | if you use a ScalingGroup resource | 21:18 |
| adrian_otto | you can define a webhook for scaling up the count, and back down | 21:19 |
| adrian_otto | you can pass in a desired value of elements to those webhooks | 21:19 |
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| devkulkarni | and this webhook will be triggered on Solum app update…? | 21:19 |
| adrian_otto | so if you have two callers asking for the new count to be "3" that's fine | 21:20 |
| adrian_otto | if the goal is to scale it to 0 and then back to a nonzero value | 21:20 |
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| adrian_otto | then you scale to 0, wait for the count to reach 0, and then adjust it again to the nonzero value. | 21:20 |
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| devkulkarni | heat takes care of serializing the calls then? | 21:21 |
| adrian_otto | yes | 21:21 |
| devkulkarni | nice | 21:21 |
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| adrian_otto | I think you can also indicate which node to kill off in the scale down call | 21:21 |
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| adrian_otto | so if you wanted you could set the value to n+1 | 21:21 |
| adrian_otto | then do an n-1 indicating the uuid of the server resource or container resource you want to eliminate. | 21:22 |
| adrian_otto | having a scaling group of Magnum containers could make that go really fast. | 21:22 |
| adrian_otto | it will soon have support for auto-scaling the bay | 21:22 |
| devkulkarni | cool.. how far along is python-magnumclient? could it be used to do these things from within Solum? | 21:23 |
| adrian_otto | it's stable enough for that in my view | 21:24 |
| adrian_otto | there could be some new API functions coming to support he upcoming Mesos bay type. | 21:24 |
| devkulkarni | ok.. may be we can add a bug/story to our backlog to investigate its usage and possible integration | 21:24 |
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| devkulkarni | sure.. I guess the current bay types should be fine for solum, right? | 21:25 |
| adrian_otto | but the existing API should be enough for what Solum needs. It has support for concurrent multi-version API support. So you can even get new versions of it, and keep old ones around without the need to tweak things integrated with older API versions. | 21:25 |
| devkulkarni | nice | 21:26 |
| adrian_otto | yes, I think the Swarm Bay type is probably enough for the Solum use case. That would give you more control than the Kubernetes bay would | 21:26 |
| adrian_otto | so you could have Solum control the LB pool membership | 21:26 |
| adrian_otto | we already hit a Docker API on the node we bring up through Heat | 21:27 |
| adrian_otto | instead we just bring up a Magnum (swarm) bay, and bring up containers using the Bay's docker API | 21:28 |
| adrian_otto | super small change to Solum | 21:28 |
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| adrian_otto | and would allow us to fall back to using Heat directly (no Magnum) in clouds that have Heat but not Magnum | 21:28 |
| devkulkarni | so you are saying that the LB pool is actually a pool of container instances which can be controlled via the swarm bay api | 21:29 |
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| adrian_otto | yes, that would be preferred, right? | 21:29 |
| devkulkarni | but what about situations when the LB pool is actually made up of VM instances | 21:29 |
| adrian_otto | that way we could create and destroy them really fast. | 21:29 |
| adrian_otto | either way you use Heat. | 21:30 |
| adrian_otto | you just decide whether to use the Heat Docker resource or the Heat Magnum resource. | 21:30 |
| devkulkarni | sure | 21:30 |
| adrian_otto | using an alternate template in each case | 21:30 |
| devkulkarni | ok.. at a high-level I think I get what you are suggesting.. will need to dig little deeper to understand how it will all fit together in solum | 21:31 |
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| adrian_otto | some contributors from Cisco are working on the Heat Magnum resource(s) | 21:31 |
| devkulkarni | let me take an action item to file a bug to investigate solum-magnum integration | 21:31 |
| adrian_otto | so sdake should be able to name them if you want to know more than what you find up for review on in tree now. | 21:31 |
| devkulkarni | sure.. I can reach out to sdake to find out the current state of that resource | 21:32 |
| adrian_otto | he's traveling today as well, but I expect him back later this week. | 21:32 |
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| devkulkarni | #action devkulkarni to file a bug to investigate solum-magnum integration outlining the various options, relevant documentation, etc. | 21:33 |
| devkulkarni | sure.. | 21:33 |
| devkulkarni | you guys hang out on #magnum? | 21:33 |
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| adrian_otto | #openstack-containers | 21:33 |
| devkulkarni | ok | 21:33 |
| devkulkarni | thanks adrian_otto for all the pointers on this | 21:34 |
| adrian_otto | my pleasure | 21:34 |
| devkulkarni | are there other tasks/blueprints that we want to discuss today? | 21:35 |
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| devkulkarni | ok, I will continue to open discussion then.. | 21:36 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Open Discussion | 21:36 |
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| adrian_otto | pritic you still here? | 21:37 |
| pritic | I am, hi! | 21:38 |
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| adrian_otto | thanks for joining us today. Would you feel comfortable taking a moment to introduce yourself to the rest of our team? | 21:38 |
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| pritic | Sure, I am working with the Rackspace Solum QE Team as a summer intern. Orginally I am from India, but I have been in the US since last fall for my masters in Computer Science at University of Florida. | 21:40 |
| adrian_otto | excellent. I'm looking forward to working with you. | 21:40 |
| pritic | It is my first day today and I am really looking forward to a great summer experience. | 21:41 |
| mkam | :D | 21:41 |
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| adrian_otto | you're lucky to be on such a great team | 21:41 |
| adrian_otto | it should indeed be a fun and challenging summer for you | 21:41 |
| devkulkarni | +1 | 21:41 |
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| pritic | That's the plan! | 21:42 |
| * adrian_otto needs do disambark. Catch you later | 21:42 | |
| devkulkarni | thanks adrian_otto | 21:42 |
| adrian_otto | disembark | 21:42 |
| devkulkarni | others — anything else for today or should we call it? | 21:43 |
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| datsun180b | nothing from me | 21:43 |
| devkulkarni | ok.. mkam, james_li, gpilz, pritic? | 21:43 |
| mkam | I'm good | 21:44 |
| james_li | yes | 21:44 |
| pritic | I am good. Thanks. | 21:44 |
| devkulkarni | ok then.. ending the meeting | 21:44 |
| devkulkarni | #endmeeting | 21:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 9 21:44:37 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-06-09-21.00.html | 21:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-06-09-21.00.txt | 21:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-06-09-21.00.log.html | 21:44 |
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