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| rkukura | Hi ML2’ers! | 16:00 |
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| yamamoto | hi | 16:00 |
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| Sukhdev | hello | 16:01 |
| yamahata | hello | 16:01 |
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| rkukura | we’ll start in a moment | 16:02 |
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| amotoki | hello | 16:03 |
| rkukura | looks like we’ve got quorum | 16:03 |
| rkukura | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 10 16:03:32 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rkukura. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:03 |
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| rkukura | #topic agenda | 16:03 |
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| rkukura | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_June_10.2C_2015 | 16:04 |
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| rkukura | Does anyone have anything to add to the agenda? | 16:04 |
| rkukura | #topic Announcements | 16:05 |
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| rkukura | The neutron PTL has instituted a new RFE process for features | 16:05 |
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| rkukura | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/policies/blueprints.html#neutron-request-for-feature-enhancements | 16:06 |
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| rkukura | Feature requests are now made initially as launchpad bugs. The community votes by subscribing to the RFE bugs, and can comment on them. | 16:06 |
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| rkukura | The neutron drivers team reviews them, then a spec may be required. | 16:08 |
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| rkukura | Also, there is a proposal for further “plugin/driver decomposition” in review. | 16:08 |
| rkukura | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187267 | 16:08 |
| Sukhdev | This will impact some of the drivers who have their DB or config in the neutron tree | 16:09 |
| rkukura | My undestanding of this is that the in-tree shim layers will be eliminated, and a mechanism for external DB migrations will be added, so config and DB models can move out of tree. | 16:09 |
| rkukura | So basically, ML2 drivers will typically live in other git repos, such as the networking-* repos, and their entry points and all associated code and config will be in those repos. | 16:10 |
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| rkukura | Are people on-board with this general idea? | 16:11 |
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| sadasu | rkukura: we knew it was coming | 16:11 |
| sadasu | rkukura: ok with general idea | 16:12 |
| Sukhdev | I argued it be voluntry vs. mandatory | 16:12 |
| Sukhdev | core team feels it should be mandatory | 16:12 |
| rkukura | I had originally favored keeping the code that implemented/used the ML2 driver APIs in the neutron repo, but few drivers have taken that approach, so I think this is an improvement over the current very thin shim layers. | 16:13 |
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| rkukura | If you have comments, please followup on the review. | 16:13 |
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| rkukura | #topic Action Items | 16:14 |
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| sadasu | rkukura: I had followed the approach where the ML2 driver APIs are in tree | 16:14 |
| sadasu | I hope that the part 2 of decomposition allows drivers to keep them that that way | 16:15 |
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| rkukura | #undo | 16:15 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x9ac5ad0> | 16:15 |
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| Sukhdev | sadasu: it is my understanding that it will have to go out | 16:16 |
| rkukura | sadasu: If the new approach is manditory, I don’t think it will be possible to keep them that way, but that structure could be moved to the other repo. | 16:16 |
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| Sukhdev | sadasu: this impacts me as well - I had taken the same approach - hence, I argued :-) | 16:17 |
| sadasu | rkukura, Sukhdev: thanks for the info | 16:17 |
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| rkukura | Lets get comments on the gerrit review, particularly if we want to argue for this to be optional. But making it manditory does kind of address the level playing field concern some vendors have expressed. | 16:18 |
| rkukura | OK, lets move on… | 16:18 |
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| rkukura | #topic Action Items | 16:18 |
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| rkukura | I had an action to discuss QoS implications for ML2 with ajo. | 16:18 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev brought this up at the neutron IRC meeting and ajo did not think there were any. | 16:19 |
| rkukura | So I think that one is closed. | 16:19 |
| rkukura | banix had an action regarding agents, but is out this week, so we’ll keep it for next week | 16:19 |
| rkukura | #action banix to discuss Modular L2 agents topic in Neutron core team and drive the priority | 16:20 |
| rkukura | asomya: You and shivharis had an action regarding physical topology - any update? | 16:20 |
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| rkukura | I don’t see shivharis and asomya hasn’t replied, so we can keep that one for next week | 16:22 |
| yamahata | the item in the agent is to update chater only. Is any further thing(e.g. api design) the scope of liberty? | 16:22 |
| yamahata | I'm very interested in it. | 16:22 |
| rkukura | Is there a specific charter document to update? | 16:23 |
| yamahata | Ah, s/to update/to add/. | 16:23 |
| rkukura | I’m thinking we’d need to file RFEs (or just specs for liberty-1) for these | 16:24 |
| yamahata | I see. thanks | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | yamahata: banix has done some work on it in the past - he has patch out there, which needs to be revived | 16:24 |
| yamahata | Link please? | 16:25 |
| rkukura | Maybe we should include a section on “Liberty Charter” on the https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2 page where we can track significant featres as part of each weekly meeting. | 16:25 |
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| asomya | rkukura: sorry, got a call in the middle of this meeting.. Shiv and I are still working on the spec | 16:25 |
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| rkukura | asomya: thanks | 16:25 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura +1 about adding the charter to ML2 wiki | 16:26 |
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| rkukura | #action rkukura and Sukhdev to add charter section to ML2 wiki, listing major RFEs/specs/BPs being considered for liberty | 16:27 |
| rkukura | OK, last AI was manishg proposing dates for a TaskFlow/async/re-sync code sprint | 16:29 |
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| rkukura | This is the next agenda item, so we’ll move right to it | 16:29 |
| yamamoto | yamahata: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/modular-l2-agent-outline | 16:29 |
| rkukura | yamamoto: thanks | 16:30 |
| yamahata | yamamoto: thanks, in the context of modular l2 agent. got it. | 16:30 |
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| manishg | rkukura: I put the dates in the agenda item. I think due to mid-cycle and long weekend July/13+ is the earliest. | 16:31 |
| rkukura | We’ll include modular l2 agent in the charter section, and check status on it each week, at least until we’ve decided what’s happening in liberty | 16:31 |
| rkukura | #topic Neutron Mid-Cycle Sprint Discussion | 16:31 |
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| rkukura | manishg: That was my conclusion as well | 16:32 |
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| manishg | I'm traveling in late/July-Aug/20 so didn't put anything for Aug but if late Aug works I will add last week of Aug too. | 16:33 |
| rkukura | Assuming this sprint is to code using TaskFlow to replace postcommit methods with an async solution, are there others who would definitely want to participate? | 16:34 |
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| rkukura | Seems we should target July 13-15 if possible. | 16:35 |
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| manishg | ok then. I'll work with Sukhdev to figure out other details and update all those listed there. | 16:36 |
| rkukura | Please let me, Sukhdev, and manishg know if you’d like to participate. We’ll figure out who can host it. | 16:36 |
| Sukhdev | manishg: sorry - got interrupted - back here | 16:36 |
| Sukhdev | I looked at my calander - those dates are open | 16:37 |
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| rkukura | Assuming we do this sprint July 13-15, are there other items we’d want to include beyond the async stuff? | 16:37 |
| manishg | I think that would be the main item. | 16:38 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: I think we keep it focused to one or two topics - | 16:38 |
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| Sukhdev | if asomya and shivharis are up for physical topology part, we can include that as well | 16:38 |
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| Sukhdev | I will be there and can help with the physical topology part | 16:39 |
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| asomya | sukhdev: I can make it to that | 16:39 |
| Sukhdev | asomya: can you add your name to the list - I only added 4 names to the list (as I was not sure about others) | 16:40 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Does this physical topology work relate to ironic_neutron? | 16:40 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: no | 16:40 |
| asomya | rkukura: this is the generic topology storage and retrieval bit, the ironc stuff might tie into it in the future | 16:41 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: but, if it is available, we can try to see how it can be leveraged for it - in addition to neutron and nova | 16:41 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: OK, so not required, but possibly relatd. | 16:41 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: correct | 16:41 |
| Sukhdev | the biggest beneficiary of this will be neutron and nova | 16:42 |
| Sukhdev | BTW, want to check if any of you are going to Ft. Collins sprint? | 16:42 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: I haven’t been planning to, but it seems the agenda has expanded a bit, and it might be worth considering | 16:44 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: I am thinking about going for couple of day - I think it may be worthwhile | 16:44 |
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| rkukura | OK, anything else on any of the mid-cycles? | 16:45 |
| janonymous_ | o/ | 16:46 |
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| rkukura | #topic Open Discussion | 16:46 |
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| rkukura | Speak up, or we’ll end a bit early today! | 16:47 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: want to make an announcement | 16:47 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: OK | 16:47 |
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| Sukhdev | Folks, If anybody has any interest in L2 Gateway program, we meet alternate mondays at 10AM (PT) on #openstack-meeting-4 | 16:48 |
| Sukhdev | the next meeting is on 6/22 - please join us and learn about it | 16:48 |
| Sukhdev | This allows you to connect virtual networks with physical networks by creating L2 Gateways | 16:49 |
| Sukhdev | We need volunteers as well as consumers - | 16:49 |
| Sukhdev | We made a presentation in the Summit - | 16:49 |
| Sukhdev | If you have not had a chance to watch it, let me know and I can provide the link | 16:49 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: Thanks! I’ll try to at least lurk at that meeting if I can. | 16:50 |
| asomya | sukhdev: i'm interested | 16:50 |
| rkukura | Anything else before we adjurn? | 16:50 |
| Sukhdev | asomya rkukura: this is really cool stuff | 16:50 |
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| rkukura | Thanks everyone! | 16:52 |
| rkukura | #endmeeting | 16:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 10 16:52:34 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-06-10-16.03.html | 16:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-06-10-16.03.txt | 16:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-06-10-16.03.log.html | 16:52 |
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| Sukhdev | asomya: https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2015/summit-videos/presentation/bringing-provider-networks-into-openstack-using-l2-gateway | 16:52 |
| asomya | sukhdev: thanks, i missed that at the summit | 16:53 |
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| yamamoto | good night | 16:54 |
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| Kiall | #startmeeting Designate | 16:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 10 16:59:56 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Kiall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:00 |
| Kiall | Hey folks - Who's about? | 17:00 |
| timsim | o? | 17:00 |
| mugsie | o/ | 17:00 |
| pglass | o/ | 17:00 |
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| Kiall | Wow - Quiet day! | 17:00 |
| Kiall | Okay, let's get started.. | 17:01 |
| mlavalle | hi | 17:01 |
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| Kiall | #topic Action Items from last week | 17:01 |
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| Kiall | 3 actions, 2 on me: Kiall finish the write for DB Re-Work / kiall to update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88624 per summit discussion | 17:01 |
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| Kiall | Sadly, I didn't manage to get either done.. The end of the last week was the half-week from hell, and been travelling this week. | 17:02 |
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| Kiall | I'll be back in the office Thursday, and plan to complete them then :( Sorry! | 17:02 |
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| Kiall | Last one was "circle back to Non-AXFR Backends summit review" .. is JohnB is AFK again today though | 17:02 |
| Kiall | I'll drop him and email and see if he's still planning to write that one up :) | 17:03 |
| Kiall | #topic Bug triage (timsim - recurring) | 17:03 |
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| timsim | Just gonna go in order that they popped in the room a few minutes ago | 17:04 |
| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-designateclient/+bug/1457100 | 17:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1457100 in python-designateclient "pbr version conflict" [Undecided,New] | 17:04 |
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| Kiall | I have no idea what that one is! | 17:04 |
| Kiall | Anyone got a clue? | 17:04 |
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| timsim | Yeah, you try and run 'python setup.py develop' and you get a pbr dependency issue | 17:05 |
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| Kiall | Ah, right.. Is still happening? I thought that was a bad PBR release when I saw it first | 17:05 |
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| timsim | It happened to our intern this morning | 17:05 |
| timsim | Not sure if it's still a problem if you just clone master. | 17:05 |
| Kiall | timsim: Okay, we should fix that then ;) Wonder how it's working in the gate but not locally :/ | 17:06 |
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| elarson | o/ | 17:06 |
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| timsim | Yeah. I guess I'll just leave it like it is so we revisit it if no one takes action? | 17:07 |
| Kiall | Okay - Let's just tag is confirmed - I've seen it, your intern it it.. If nobody gets to it first I'll see if I can spot the issue on thu/fri | 17:07 |
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| timsim | k | 17:07 |
| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1462022 | 17:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1462022 in Designate "designate-dashboard should help users with FIP selection" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Eric Peterson (ericpeterson-l) | 17:07 |
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| Kiall | I think eric has a bunch of features filed as bugs, all of which he or his team are working on. | 17:08 |
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| timsim | Yeah, I guess technically they should be blueprints? | 17:09 |
| Kiall | I'd say just default em to Medium to get them off the untriaged list, since he/his guys are pretty good about submitting a change a few hours later. | 17:09 |
| mugsie | ++ | 17:09 |
| timsim | cool | 17:09 |
| Kiall | Honestly.. | 17:09 |
| Kiall | I don't think so | 17:09 |
| Kiall | Too heavy for a small thing like that | 17:09 |
| timsim | Fair enough | 17:09 |
| Kiall | but - discussion for another day ;) | 17:09 |
| timsim | Same for https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1461213 | 17:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1461213 in Designate "dashboard record creation should only prompt for left-most label" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Eric Peterson (ericpeterson-l) | 17:10 |
| Kiall | Same deal IMO | 17:10 |
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| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1462428 | 17:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1462428 in Designate "project _memeber_ type users cannot read their quotas" [Undecided,New] | 17:10 |
| mugsie | bug, High, l1 | 17:10 |
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| Kiall | Yea, that's a bit of a mess up. | 17:11 |
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| timsim | agreed | 17:11 |
| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-designateclient/+bug/1463488 | 17:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1463488 in python-designateclient "Exception when over-quota on domains is very confusing" [Undecided,New] | 17:11 |
| Kiall | High - It's always been an issue and someone is finally spending the time to sort it out :) We should help them get their change in shape + merge before the next client release | 17:12 |
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| timsim | Cool | 17:12 |
| mugsie | ++ | 17:13 |
| timsim | Is 1.2 the next client release? | 17:13 |
| Kiall | I tried to work that out the other day and got myself confused.. ;) | 17:13 |
| timsim | Looks like that's the current one | 17:13 |
| timsim | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/python-designateclient/ | 17:13 |
| Kiall | 1.2 is out, 1.2.1 or 1.3.0 is next | 17:14 |
| Kiall | Any other untriaged? | 17:14 |
| timsim | Nope, that's it | 17:14 |
| Kiall | Perfect. | 17:14 |
| Kiall | Next agenda item was "Summit Session Review" .. But, I failed on mine and JohnB isn't on again :( | 17:15 |
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| Kiall | So, not much point in that one. | 17:15 |
| Kiall | #action Open Discussion | 17:15 |
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| Kiall | grr | 17:15 |
| Kiall | #topic Open Discussion | 17:16 |
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| Kiall | timsim: is jmcbride about? He rasied some concerns with the ALIAS record spec.. I'm not sure it's fixable in a way that makes you guys happy! | 17:16 |
| jmcbride | yo | 17:16 |
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| jmcbride | kiall: we still need to evaluate this a bit more | 17:16 |
| Kiall | And - Does, anyone else have off-agenda items? I'm hoping mlavalle can give us a update on how the start of the Nova/Neutron stuff is going? | 17:17 |
| mlavalle | Kiall: I am still getting feedback on the specs | 17:18 |
| Kiall | jmcbride: cool - I'm pretty sure my response is "correct" , but it's not a great answer :( | 17:18 |
| mlavalle | Kiall: been responding to it. | 17:18 |
| mlavalle | Kiall: the good nes is that johnthetubaguy is reading the spec and giving us feedback | 17:18 |
| Kiall | mlavalle: Great, I've not looked in the last 4-5 days.. Anything contentious needing changing? | 17:19 |
| Kiall | Anything we can do to help? | 17:19 |
| mlavalle | Kiall: nothing major. johnthetubaguy mostly wants to be clear that the work hasn't been priritized on the nova side for Liberty. but he is willing to help | 17:20 |
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| Kiall | mlavalle: Makes sense | 17:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | its mostly minor things, from what I remember | 17:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am trying to get all the specs reviewed, and leading my example, by spending most of my time reviewing specs :) | 17:20 |
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| mugsie | :) | 17:21 |
| mlavalle | Kiall: and I am working already on the neutron side code. I have all the code path figured out and working on it | 17:21 |
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| mlavalle | johnthetubaguy: I appreciatte your feedback. Thank you! | 17:21 |
| Kiall | mlavalle: I'm looking forward to seeing that work :) | 17:21 |
| mugsie | I think most of us are :) | 17:22 |
| Kiall | Okay - Anyone else have off-agenda items or shall we call this our shortest meeting in months? | 17:22 |
| mlavalle | Kiall: that's all I have for today's update | 17:22 |
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| Kiall | mlavalle: I'll have the external spec updated on Thu, I'll fire it over to you once it's up for a quick review.. Hopefully my memory matches yours!:) | 17:22 |
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| mlavalle | Kiall: thanks! We'll look at it as soon as you let me know | 17:23 |
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| Kiall | Okay - No takers on off-agenda items? | 17:23 |
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| Kiall | Going once... Twice.. ; | 17:23 |
| Kiall | ;) | 17:23 |
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| timsim | I'm good :) | 17:24 |
| mugsie | o/ | 17:24 |
| Kiall | Okay, thanks all .. Cya next week! | 17:24 |
| Kiall | #endmeeting | 17:24 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 10 17:24:12 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:24 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-06-10-16.59.html | 17:24 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-06-10-16.59.txt | 17:24 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-06-10-16.59.log.html | 17:24 |
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| SlickNik | #startmeeting trove | 17:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 10 17:59:00 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: trove)" | 17:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 17:59 |
| cp16net | hello yall | 17:59 |
| SlickNik | hey cp16net! | 17:59 |
| sushilkm | hello SlickNik, cp16net | 17:59 |
| SlickNik | Giving folks a few minutes to trickle in. | 17:59 |
| vkmc | o/ | 17:59 |
| peterstac | hey everyone | 17:59 |
| vkmc | hi hi | 17:59 |
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| SlickNik | Meeting agenda is at: | 18:00 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 18:00 |
| danritchie | o/ | 18:00 |
| vgnbkr | o/ | 18:00 |
| mvandijk | o/ | 18:00 |
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| johnma | Hello | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | Okay, let's get started. | 18:01 |
| ashleighfarnham | o/ | 18:01 |
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| SlickNik | #topic Trove pulse update | 18:01 |
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| SlickNik | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-pulse-update | 18:01 |
| dougshelley66 | o/ | 18:01 |
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| cp16net | i was close to being up there... | 18:04 |
| cp16net | challenge accepted | 18:04 |
| SlickNik | cp16net: gotta try harder next time :P | 18:04 |
| pmalik | ?/ | 18:04 |
| SlickNik | Total velocity still around ~200 reviews this week | 18:04 |
| SlickNik | which is about what our average velocity has been like. | 18:05 |
| SlickNik | So nothing new here. | 18:05 |
| SlickNik | I did have an action item from last week to follow up on the auto-abandon job and what happened to it. | 18:05 |
| sushilkm | we added 4 more reviewers this week upto 25 from 21 last time | 18:05 |
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| SlickNik | sushilkm: That's because folks from other projects were reviewing the "Protected instance support" spec. | 18:06 |
| sushilkm | :) | 18:07 |
| cp16net | ah that makes sense | 18:07 |
| SlickNik | I wouldn't necessarily count on them to be Trove reviewers. | 18:07 |
| dougshelley66 | i assume the core team size should have shrunk to 8? | 18:07 |
| cp16net | might need to take an action item on that SlickNik | 18:08 |
| SlickNik | dougshelley66 / cp16net: did we lose someone else from core? | 18:08 |
| dougshelley66 | while i hate to have seen Vipul leave, he did resign from Trove Core, no? | 18:09 |
| SlickNik | Ah yes - of course. | 18:09 |
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| cp16net | what is the link to the trove core group in launchpad? | 18:09 |
| cp16net | maybe i'm overlooking it | 18:09 |
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| SlickNik | #action SlickNik to submit patch to revirewstats to remove vipul from core. | 18:09 |
| vipul | :P | 18:09 |
| SlickNik | cp16net: We're using gerrit groups now, so it's not associated with LaunchPad any longer. | 18:10 |
| cp16net | OH.... | 18:10 |
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| SlickNik | I've removed vipul from the gerrit group — haven't done it from reviewstats yet, so the numbers aren't reflected. | 18:11 |
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| SlickNik | Will do that. | 18:11 |
| SlickNik | Back to the auto-abandon job. | 18:11 |
| SlickNik | The OpenStack infra team explicitly stopped running that. | 18:12 |
| SlickNik | More context of the discussion at: | 18:13 |
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| SlickNik | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-March/058104.html | 18:13 |
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| SlickNik | Basically they found that the negative impact of the job outweighed the positive impact, and that folks had other tools to prioritize looking at reviews — so they killed the job. | 18:14 |
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| SlickNik | That explains why we haven't seen it running for a while. | 18:16 |
| SlickNik | Any questions regarding any of this? | 18:16 |
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| SlickNik | . | 18:16 |
| ashleighfarnham | Sounds though like we still wanted a solution to the view issue | 18:17 |
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| dougshelley66 | so that means that over time our backlog of reviews will just grow? | 18:17 |
| ashleighfarnham | we might want to look into some of the tools that were mentioned | 18:17 |
| dougshelley66 | i.e. if there are reviews that just get virtually abandoned? | 18:17 |
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| SlickNik | dougshelley66: yes. that's the case — you will have crufty reviews in the system. | 18:17 |
| ashleighfarnham | you also run across the issue of crufty reviews that don't make any sense based on where trove has moved since they became idle | 18:18 |
| SlickNik | ashleighfarnham: ++ I can talk to the infra folks to figure out how to get a view to the reviews that can filter out some of this cruft. | 18:18 |
| cp16net | might be able to run a crazy query to find some of them | 18:19 |
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| cp16net | i just saw something about gertty and seeing how it works | 18:19 |
| SlickNik | cp16net: We did have some crazy queries that I had set up before — but I think there is now support for native gerrit dashboards that you can set up, so we should probably look into that. | 18:19 |
| cp16net | oh yeah they were moving to the templates or something right? | 18:20 |
| dougshelley66 | I think more improved views are a good thing but if we are using those weekly reviewstats to monitor our progress... | 18:20 |
| dougshelley66 | views won't clean that up | 18:20 |
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| cp16net | yeah but if we can tell that a review is not been touched and not going to be touched again as core we can abandon it | 18:21 |
| SlickNik | dougshelley66: Some stats will probably not be useful to monitor (eg. wait times for open reviews) but it would still make sense to track review and merge velocity. | 18:22 |
| cp16net | if that was a mistake it can be reverted. | 18:22 |
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| dougshelley66 | SlickNik, cp16net sounds good | 18:22 |
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| cp16net | so if slick can find a view of that we can quickly go over which reviews are still valid and prune the list | 18:23 |
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| cp16net | i *assume* that other teams might do something similar | 18:24 |
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| SlickNik | cp16net: I think the idea (if you read that mail thread closely) is that we shouldn't be abandoning other folks' changes just because they're out of date since it's a pretty strong thing to do, and can have negative consequences. | 18:25 |
| SlickNik | I'll try to get us a good dashboard that will filter old changes out, so that it doesn't affect our workflow as reviewers. | 18:25 |
| cp16net | ahhh yeah true | 18:26 |
| vkmc | what if we contact them? it would be a lot of work... but still | 18:26 |
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| SlickNik | vkmc — it's okay to get them to abandon their own changes. | 18:26 |
| vkmc | cool | 18:26 |
| cp16net | or even take over the changeset if it still applies | 18:26 |
| vkmc | that would be a decent solution so we can have a more representative stats | 18:27 |
| sushilkm | +1 for take over of changeset which are overdue and waiting for long | 18:27 |
| dougshelley66 | presumably you should communicate with the owner to take over a changeset | 18:28 |
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| SlickNik | sushilkm: Of course, but please talk to the folks you're taking over from so that you don't end up duplicating work / stepping on each other's toes. | 18:28 |
| vkmc | SlickNik++ | 18:28 |
| cp16net | true | 18:29 |
| cp16net | #agree | 18:29 |
| SlickNik | Okay — Let's move on. | 18:29 |
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| pmalik | SlickNik: I dont agree. If somebody does not touch a patch set for a month or so we should abandon it. You cannot just take it. If they want to proceed working on it they can always restore it. | 18:29 |
| sushilkm | LGTM a requirement for take-over :) | 18:29 |
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| SlickNik | pmalik: Have you looked at http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-March/058104.html | 18:31 |
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| SlickNik | That lays out some very good reasons why one shouldn't simply just abandon someone else's review just because it's been sitting for a while. | 18:31 |
| pmalik | Well, it does not mean they are right... | 18:32 |
| SlickNik | Well, the only reasons I've seen for abandoning it so far is that it affects some of the stats we measure — and I have to admit the reasons in that thread seem far more compelling to me than that. | 18:33 |
| cp16net | yeah there are some good points in it | 18:34 |
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| SlickNik | We can have more of this discussion offline pmalik - let's move on with the meeting agenda. | 18:35 |
| SlickNik | #topic Open Horizon Reviews | 18:35 |
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| SlickNik | So dougshelley66, shayneburgess and a few others noted a couple of days ago that we have quite a few Trove related changes in horizon seem to be making slow progress with reviews. | 18:36 |
| SlickNik | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-reviews-in-horizon | 18:37 |
| cp16net | yeah i think some of these should have been in since the beginning like the database/user calls | 18:37 |
| SlickNik | One of the reasons for this — talking to horizon folks — is that many of them don't have context into whether some of these changes are correct from a trove perspective. | 18:38 |
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| johnma | I can pass this list to couple of horizon cores and see if they can help. I can also work with them to view these patches if it helps | 18:38 |
| SlickNik | So I'd like to start getting some more trove folks to start looking at these patchsets, and +1 them if they look good from a trove perspective. | 18:38 |
| dougshelley66 | johnma, thanks! | 18:38 |
| cp16net | so we should review them for validity at least it sounds like | 18:39 |
| SlickNik | johnma: that would be super helpful — thanks! | 18:39 |
| SlickNik | cp16net: yes ++ | 18:39 |
| peterstac | SlickNik: Sounds reasonable | 18:39 |
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| johnma | sure, that sounds like a plan. I can help with it | 18:39 |
| david-lyle | yes please review them from the trove standpoint | 18:39 |
| david-lyle | working on a model in horizon where trove reviews could go through with less review overhead from horizon | 18:40 |
| david-lyle | basically trove reviewers worth one +2 and horizon core the other +2 | 18:40 |
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| david-lyle | hopefully decreasing the bottleneck | 18:40 |
| cp16net | i think i can help as well but i dont have much exp with the horizon pieces | 18:40 |
| dougshelley66 | david-lyle would that be to have the trove dashboard external to the horizon repo as a plugin? | 18:41 |
| dougshelley66 | or some such | 18:41 |
| peterstac | david-lyle: The new model sounds interesting - you have an eta on that? | 18:41 |
| david-lyle | dougshelley66: that may be a long term solution, but testing becomes more difficult | 18:41 |
| johnma | do we know whether these patches involve ny angular changes as well or is it mostly django | 18:41 |
| SlickNik | david-lyle: ++ | 18:41 |
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| david-lyle | right now working on moving trove and sahara to a contrib directory as a first step | 18:42 |
| david-lyle | the review model can work that way now | 18:42 |
| SlickNik | I can follow up with you to figure out how to ease the bottleneck with reviews | 18:42 |
| SlickNik | johnma: it's mostly django — I haven't seen any angular based reviews yet. | 18:43 |
| david-lyle | so please just validate the correctness from the trove interaction standpoint and the horizon reviewer will tackle the horizon part | 18:43 |
| SlickNik | david-lyle: To me that sounds like a good, workable plan for the near term. | 18:44 |
| johnma | thats good. I think I can handle the Django part, havent been up-to-date with the angular changes happening. THanks SlickNIk | 18:44 |
| david-lyle | we just don't have enough trove expertise to properly validate that side | 18:44 |
| cp16net | makes sense to me | 18:44 |
| david-lyle | great, I'd really like things to get in a lot faster | 18:44 |
| SlickNik | Awesome, thanks david-lyle! | 18:44 |
| dougshelley66 | david-lyle thanks for the info and help | 18:45 |
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| SlickNik | #topic Open Discussion | 18:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:45 | |
| pmalik | Just a little suggestion for open discussion. I think the project description on Launchpad (https://launchpad.net/trove) should be updated to reflect the fact Trove now supports other datastores too. | 18:45 |
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| SlickNik | pmalik: ++ | 18:46 |
| dougshelley66 | maybe it should have the current mission statment? | 18:46 |
| dougshelley66 | who can update that | 18:46 |
| SlickNik | I can update that with the mission statement | 18:46 |
| dougshelley66 | slicknik ++ | 18:46 |
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| SlickNik | #action SlickNik to figure out how to update LaunchPad Trove messaging to be current and update it with Trove's mission statement | 18:47 |
| SlickNik | Other items for open discussion? | 18:47 |
| cp16net | i'd like to catch up on clustering that was chatted about at the summit but that doesnt have to be here. | 18:48 |
| SlickNik | cp16net: Let's catch up on that after the meeting. | 18:49 |
| cp16net | we can catch up in #trove after the meeting | 18:49 |
| cp16net | ok | 18:49 |
| SlickNik | Looks like we're all done for the meeting. | 18:49 |
| SlickNik | Thanks all! | 18:49 |
| SlickNik | #endmeeting | 18:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:49 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 10 18:49:27 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-06-10-17.59.html | 18:49 |
| sushilkm | Thank you | 18:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-06-10-17.59.txt | 18:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-06-10-17.59.log.html | 18:49 |
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| SlickNik | See you in #openstack-trove | 18:49 |
| cp16net | thx | 18:49 |
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| vkmc | thx | 18:52 |
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| sgordon | #startmeeting telcowg | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 10 19:01:52 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sgordon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'telcowg' | 19:01 |
| sgordon | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda | 19:02 |
| sgordon | #topic roll call | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 19:02 | |
| sgordon | hi all | 19:02 |
| cloudon | hi | 19:02 |
| sgordon | i am on the end of a fairly bad satellite internet connection this week so be warned that i am likely to be a little laggy and/or may drop (fingers crossed) | 19:02 |
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| sgordon | #topic open reviews | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open reviews (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 19:03 | |
| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:stackforge/telcowg-usecases+status:open,n,z | 19:03 |
| cloudon | i am on the end of a broadband fibre but still be warned i am likely to be laggy and/or may drop... | 19:03 |
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| sgordon | haha | 19:03 |
| sgordon | so there have been updates on most of the open items in the last day or so | 19:04 |
| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179142/2/usecases/Virtual_IMS_Core.rst | 19:04 |
| sgordon | #info new comments from yuriy on vIMS use case | 19:04 |
| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169201/6/usecases/service_chaining.rst | 19:05 |
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| sgordon | #info 60 comments on service chaining use case | 19:05 |
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| sgordon | not sure if ralf is here | 19:05 |
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| sgordon | but need some iteration to incorporate that feedback | 19:06 |
| sgordon | #action ralf to update service chaining use case to incorporate feedback | 19:06 |
| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190080/1/usecases/vnf_bringup.rst | 19:07 |
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| sgordon | #info dan golub proposed vnf bring up use case | 19:07 |
| sgordon | this is a new one which iirc is recording the output of one of the breakouts in the summit working session | 19:07 |
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| sgordon | #action all review vnf bringup proposal | 19:09 |
| sgordon | #info cloudon rev'd session border controller use case | 19:10 |
| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176301/3 | 19:10 |
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| sgordon | #all review updated session border controller use case | 19:10 |
| sgordon | ok | 19:10 |
| sgordon | so that is the open use case reviews, which brings me to workflow | 19:10 |
| sgordon | #topic workflow proposal | 19:10 |
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| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178347/ | 19:10 |
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| sgordon | jay and kyle added some feedback on this during the week that i need to integrate | 19:11 |
| sgordon | but generally seems like we're on the right track | 19:11 |
| sgordon | and cloudon's feedback needs to be pulled in there as well :) | 19:12 |
| sgordon | i will likely get to that by start of next week so should be able to discuss further during the better attended meeting slot | 19:12 |
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| sgordon | cloudon, did you have anything you wanted to raise today | 19:18 |
| sgordon | since you seem to be my only other participant in this time slot :) | 19:18 |
| cloudon | interested to get your feedback from Vancouver on OPNFV | 19:19 |
| cloudon | believe you met my colleague Colin Dancer - we're trying to contribute to multi-site in way that is OpenStack-friendly | 19:19 |
| cloudon | e.g. contributing use cases in the format we're using here | 19:19 |
| cloudon | any particular thoughts/steer? | 19:19 |
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| sgordon | we're still doing the dance working out exactly how we work together | 19:21 |
| sgordon | but certainly interacting with opnfv projects directly to help steer is a good way to do this | 19:22 |
| sgordon | and i did also during the discussion i facilitated during opnfv day highlight the template | 19:22 |
| sgordon | (have previously brought this up on the opnfv m/l as well) | 19:22 |
| sgordon | as this seems like the convergence point where if we're both funneling things in in the same format things will work out | 19:23 |
| cloudon | did you get the sense OPNFV folk were engaging with that? | 19:23 |
| cloudon | we're certainly seeing... mixed awareness | 19:23 |
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| sgordon | it's fair to say there is a wide spectrum of opinions on how that should / shouldnt work ;) | 19:24 |
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| cloudon | indeed | 19:25 |
| cloudon | well, we'll try and do our bit and hopefully encourage best practice | 19:25 |
| sgordon | i would say that there were a decent number of people in the room who werent aware of the telcowg | 19:26 |
| sgordon | those that spoke up, once i'd done the elevator pitch, were *eventually* positive | 19:26 |
| sgordon | but there were a *lot* of comments/criticisms before we got to that point | 19:26 |
| cloudon | any sense of productive alternatives being pitched, or just an expectation OPNFV could (choose words carefully) upstream what they wanted? | 19:27 |
| sgordon | the latter is still the expectation as i understand it | 19:28 |
| cloudon | hmm. reality awaits. | 19:28 |
| sgordon | the concern i and a few other telcowg participants raised at the opnfv day session was that at the moment it's not just use case discussions happening in opnfv | 19:28 |
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| sgordon | but that by the time it comes to openstack there is an anointed solution | 19:29 |
| sgordon | so to speak | 19:29 |
| cloudon | Yup - lot of code being written without necessarily much awareness of what it takes to get stuff upstreamed | 19:30 |
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| sgordon | yeah, so we discussed that and highlighted the concern that this might pose difficulties in getting the code eventually merged | 19:31 |
| cloudon | in the end, projects will learn the hard way I guess | 19:31 |
| sgordon | as there is a lot of re-explaining to do | 19:31 |
| sgordon | probably, all we can (and must) do from this end is try and proactively explain the concern | 19:31 |
| sgordon | and highlight where there is the most danger ;) | 19:31 |
| cloudon | any views that onus should be on OpenStack community to reach out other than other way round (*not* endorsing that personally you understand...) | 19:32 |
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| sgordon | i think ideally it's a bit of both | 19:33 |
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| sgordon | it also varies by project | 19:34 |
| sgordon | some are intrinsically openstack specific | 19:34 |
| sgordon | and (i would argue most but hey) | 19:35 |
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| sgordon | so the question is how much of that discussion really belongs outside the openstack community at all | 19:35 |
| sgordon | separate ml/, meetings, etc. post a communication challenge | 19:36 |
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| sgordon | (i try to keep up with the opnfv tech list, i know a few other stackers who do too, but it's tough to get to all of the meetings) | 19:36 |
| cloudon | full time job... | 19:37 |
| sgordon | indeed | 19:37 |
| sgordon | alright, i think i will give us 20 minutes back here ;) | 19:37 |
| cloudon | cheers | 19:37 |
| sgordon | #endmeeting | 19:39 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 10 19:39:58 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-06-10-19.01.html | 19:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-06-10-19.01.txt | 19:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-06-10-19.01.log.html | 19:40 |
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| wznoinsk | hi, while it's off record... to my the opnfv looks more of a telco/nfv centric technical community but maybe I don't see the full picture ;-) | 19:41 |
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| wznoinsk | openstack technical commitee* | 19:42 |
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| mwang2_ | o/ | 20:00 |
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| blogan | hi | 20:00 |
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| rm_work | heh | 20:01 |
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| Aish | o/ | 20:01 |
| rm_work | someone starting this thing? | 20:01 |
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| xgerman | #startmeeting Octavia | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 10 20:01:20 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xgerman. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:01 |
| rm_work | o/ | 20:01 |
| johnsom | o/ | 20:01 |
| fnaval | o/ | 20:01 |
| xgerman | #chair blogan, dougwig | 20:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: blogan dougwig xgerman | 20:01 |
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| xgerman | (I am in the lunch room not sure when they kick me out) | 20:01 |
| dougwig | o/ | 20:01 |
| TrevorV | o/ | 20:01 |
| blogan | hi again | 20:02 |
| xgerman | #topic Announcements | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:02 | |
| xgerman | Midcycle: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/LBaaS-FWaaS-VPNaaS_Summer_Midcycle_meetup | 20:02 |
| xgerman | Protected instances- https://openstack.nimeyo.com/47616/openstack-neutron-octavia-protected-openstack-resources | 20:03 |
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| sballe | o/ | 20:03 |
| xgerman | it seems the nova guys are very self assured of their abilities ;-) | 20:03 |
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| xgerman | Lastly, Global Load Balancing - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1016shVnPaK8l8HxMpjADiYtY2O94p4g7JxjuIA-qv7w/edit | 20:04 |
| xgerman | anyhting else? | 20:04 |
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| blogan | sounds like a resounding no | 20:05 |
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| xgerman | I have been under a rock the last three days) | 20:05 |
| xgerman | #topic Brief progress reports | 20:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Brief progress reports (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:05 | |
| blogan | have you? | 20:05 |
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| johnsom | I have been filling in for folks for the last few days and feel like I was under a rock | 20:06 |
| xgerman | well, internal conference — today is the first day I figured out how to use the Internet | 20:06 |
| rm_work | still working on internal stuff, but let me know if there are reviews that need eyes | 20:06 |
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| TrevorV | I need reviews on 3 reviews that I'll put in links in a second | 20:06 |
| rm_work | kk | 20:06 |
| xgerman | cool | 20:06 |
| TrevorV | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170989/ | 20:06 |
| johnsom | I have sonar and jenkins installed for our sonar gate pilot. I need to work on getting the plugins setup | 20:07 |
| TrevorV | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187237/ | 20:07 |
| TrevorV | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190269/ | 20:07 |
| xgerman | johnsom +1 | 20:07 |
| johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187658/ | 20:07 |
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| johnsom | Could use some eyes. The first fix solved the taskflow issue, but uncovered a model issue | 20:08 |
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| johnsom | If someone has spare cycles feel free to mess with it. | 20:08 |
| blogan | johnsom: if its a data model issue i might take a look | 20:09 |
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| johnsom | My quick test showed it was erroring while deleting the member from the model | 20:09 |
| xgerman | mmh | 20:10 |
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| blogan | ill take a look, ive got the data model changes for the networking and amphora drivers almost completed | 20:12 |
| blogan | seems like al ogical next step | 20:12 |
| xgerman | guess moving on... | 20:12 |
| xgerman | #topic Open Discussion | 20:12 |
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| blogan | ive got one | 20:12 |
| xgerman | shoot | 20:12 |
| blogan | so the flows we have right now assume that the amphora can be hot plugged | 20:13 |
| blogan | we, rax, are going to be using containers | 20:13 |
| xgerman | we might, too | 20:13 |
| blogan | and the current flows will not work in this case so we'll need to create some alternate flows | 20:13 |
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| blogan | what do yall think is the best way to do that | 20:13 |
| johnsom | Yeah, that is interesting | 20:13 |
| blogan | do if statements in the controller worker, implement a new controller worker based on containers, etc | 20:14 |
| xgerman | I was thinking in the beginning to make the flows configurable in the config file | 20:14 |
| johnsom | So, basically we have to define all of the plugging at creation time? | 20:14 |
| johnsom | xgerman +1 | 20:14 |
| blogan | johnsom: yep, so that might mean not creating the amphora until the first member is created | 20:14 |
| blogan | xgerman: explain that in more detail | 20:14 |
| TrevorV | xgerman, that sounded like "flow drivers" | 20:15 |
| blogan | like have a hot_pluggable config option? | 20:15 |
| blogan | and we just do if statements based on that value? | 20:15 |
| xgerman | well, you could say: Create_Amphora_flow: and then list the tasks | 20:15 |
| xgerman | and the system would read and build that flow that way | 20:15 |
| xgerman | at the startup time | 20:15 |
| xgerman | and you do that for all flows | 20:16 |
| xgerman | that allows you to have different tasks for different operators | 20:16 |
| johnsom | Yeah, that was a longer term goal | 20:16 |
| blogan | yeah that sounds very ambitious right now | 20:16 |
| blogan | good idea though | 20:17 |
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| johnsom | Is plugging on the roadmap for the container tech you are planning to use? LX*? | 20:17 |
| blogan | its on a very distant roadmap and im not sure if once we get around it if it will ever be done | 20:18 |
| blogan | but if magnum gets it in then we might | 20:18 |
| blogan | but magnum doesn't have any immediate plans eitehr | 20:18 |
| blogan | from a quick conversation with adrian | 20:18 |
| johnsom | Hmm, so limits members to a single network | 20:19 |
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| blogan | not necessarily but it does make it more complicated | 20:19 |
| xgerman | not necessarily, you might be able to plug multiple networks at creation | 20:19 |
| blogan | yeah you can do that | 20:19 |
| blogan | but then you have to worry about killing the machine and respinning it everytime | 20:19 |
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| blogan | a new member on a new network is added | 20:19 |
| xgerman | or task flow does ;-) | 20:19 |
| johnsom | I would prefer we get creative, for example configurable flows, than putting a bunch of 'if' statements in. | 20:20 |
| blogan | (also why a single create call is so valuable, we get the networking configuration up front) | 20:20 |
| xgerman | I don’t think configurable flows are that tough to do | 20:20 |
| xgerman | but I am also naive | 20:20 |
| blogan | yeah i dont like the if statements either, and the controller worker already adheres to interface, which is why implementing a container controller worker was an option | 20:20 |
| johnsom | I am warming to the configure it up front and kill/rebuild for plugs. If we have active/standby that could be transparent. | 20:21 |
| xgerman | that might be a way we can go ahead right now and then fill in the other stuff later as an optimization? | 20:22 |
| xgerman | (aka if you can hot plug use that flow) | 20:22 |
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| xgerman | but it feels we have three options and we dislike one (ifs) | 20:23 |
| xgerman | so do we need to do a “spike” - or can we make some decision right away? | 20:23 |
| blogan | unless ifs are super simple right now and not ugly :) | 20:23 |
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| johnsom | Let's think about and research loading flows. Do we have the flows defined in a way that we can swap those two use cases in and out, etc? | 20:24 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:24 |
| xgerman | we would need to figure out if we need additional tasks anyway | 20:25 |
| xgerman | or change tasks | 20:25 |
| blogan | yeah thats a good research task | 20:25 |
| blogan | ill probably research taht too bc i'd like to get something like that in asap bc we've got a lab all set up ready to go with what we need | 20:25 |
| blogan | just need to get the code in there to handle containers | 20:26 |
| xgerman | cool!! | 20:26 |
| xgerman | do you think you can share performance numbers? | 20:26 |
| blogan | i don't see why not, but id probably have to ask someone first | 20:27 |
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| blogan | it is getting very interesting rihgt now though and id love to share everything | 20:28 |
| TrevorV | Nope. Sharing isn't supported in the Openstack Community. RIP | 20:28 |
| TrevorV | lulz jp jp, we can check | 20:28 |
| xgerman | thanks — I am hoping we can do some work with vms to get some numbers, too | 20:29 |
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| blogan | it is nice to have a container immediately | 20:29 |
| johnsom | Yeah, and try out the various tech, lxd, docker, vms, etc. | 20:30 |
| blogan | nova boot, nova list, its already ACTIVE | 20:30 |
| xgerman | neat | 20:30 |
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| blogan | im sure the first pass at doing this for containers will change drastically over time | 20:32 |
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| blogan | same with VMs as well | 20:32 |
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| xgerman | yep | 20:32 |
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| blogan | alright anyone have anything else? | 20:33 |
| johnsom | Yeah, and whatever else comes around | 20:33 |
| TrevorV | When is the next mid-cycle again? | 20:33 |
| blogan | xgerman linked it above | 20:33 |
| blogan | and its on the agenda wiki | 20:33 |
| xgerman | yeah, scroll to the top | 20:33 |
| johnsom | 7/15 - 7/17 | 20:34 |
| xgerman | but make sure to book soon - hotels are real tight - otherwise you will live in Tukwila | 20:34 |
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| blogan | or a dog house | 20:34 |
| xgerman | yep, we can ask Hank | 20:34 |
| TrevorV | Its okay, we'll party-crash dougwig's room | 20:35 |
| xgerman | (Hank outs dog pictures in all his powerpoint) | 20:35 |
| blogan | hank the hound dog | 20:35 |
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| xgerman | barclac offered his yard | 20:36 |
| blogan | ill take his plane | 20:36 |
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| johnsom | blogan you haven't seen the size of his plane have you... | 20:36 |
| xgerman | but he doesn’t have a dog house | 20:37 |
| xgerman | sleep in the hangar | 20:37 |
| johnsom | You could sleep on the wing I guess | 20:37 |
| blogan | would it be like an elephant in a dog house? | 20:37 |
| blogan | okay i think we've digressed enough :) | 20:37 |
| johnsom | Only other topic to raise, dougwig mentioned the octavia rename is Friday. | 20:37 |
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| xgerman | yeah, I think I volunteered to watch and eat popcorn | 20:38 |
| johnsom | Me too | 20:38 |
| TrevorV | Who actually handles the renaming? | 20:38 |
| xgerman | infra | 20:38 |
| dougwig | i gave anteaya your names, xgerman and johnsom | 20:38 |
| TrevorV | So they'll update devstack with appropriate endpoints and such as well or no? | 20:38 |
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| xgerman | most importantly they will invite me and johnsom to the core party | 20:39 |
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| dougwig | TrevorV: no. they handle the git rename, gerrit patch updates and such. | 20:39 |
| dougwig | anywhere we've hardcoded a git url is on us to fix. | 20:39 |
| xgerman | ok, probably in our devstack config samples | 20:39 |
| xgerman | and on the wiki | 20:40 |
| johnsom | I don't think we have octavia in devstack proper yet, right? You still have to manually add the plugin into local* | 20:40 |
| xgerman | well, we have a sample config in tree | 20:40 |
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| johnsom | Yes | 20:40 |
| xgerman | our tree | 20:40 |
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| xgerman | that should be fixed but people are smart enough to not rely on samples :-) | 20:40 |
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| TrevorV | Oh yeah, I forgot about that. | 20:41 |
| TrevorV | Gotcha, thanks for clearing that up. | 20:41 |
| xgerman | cool | 20:41 |
| xgerman | they started to remove the table clothes | 20:41 |
| johnsom | Hahaha, ok, so time to wrap it up? | 20:42 |
| xgerman | yep | 20:42 |
| dougwig | bye | 20:42 |
| sballe | bye | 20:42 |
| xgerman | bye | 20:42 |
| blogan | octavia has the devstack plugin correct, just enable_plugin in localrc | 20:42 |
| TrevorV | bai bai | 20:42 |
| xgerman | #endmeeting | 20:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 10 20:42:21 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-06-10-20.01.html | 20:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-06-10-20.01.txt | 20:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-06-10-20.01.log.html | 20:42 |
| TrevorV | I'll update minutes | 20:42 |
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