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| dims | courtesy ping for jd__, dhellmann, bnemec, flaper87, harlowja, viktors, rpodolyaka, zzzeek, sileht, kgiusti, dansmith, kragniz, amotoki, lintan, toabctl,jecarey, rpodolyaka1 | 16:00 |
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| dims | courtesy ping for redrobot, jungleboyj, zhiyan, therve, amotoki, GheRivero, bknudson, ihrachyshka, jogo, dougwig, sreshetnyak, amrith,haypo, johnsom, ozamiatin | 16:00 |
| zzzeek | o/ | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:00 |
| rpodolyaka1 | o/ | 16:00 |
| dims | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 15 16:00:50 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dims. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| ozamiatin | o/ | 16:00 |
| kragniz | o/ | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| sileht | o/ | 16:00 |
| bnemec | o/ | 16:00 |
| jecarey | o/ | 16:01 |
| bknudson | hi | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | yo yo | 16:01 |
| toabctl | hi | 16:01 |
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| droyal | hi | 16:02 |
| dims | let's get started :) | 16:02 |
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| dims | hi droyal | 16:02 |
| dims | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:02 |
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| jungleboyj | None from Cinder. | 16:02 |
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| johnsom | Nothing on the Octavia front | 16:02 |
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| bknudson | I'd like to get a call on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189523/ -- Revert "timeutils: deprecate isotime()" | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 16:03 |
| zzzeek | im not a liason but neutron’s pymysql woes are probably significant | 16:03 |
| dims | liaisons, i had filed some oslo-incubator sync's please look out for them | 16:03 |
| ihrachyshka | afaik none for neutron. | 16:03 |
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| dims | bknudson: ack | 16:03 |
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| amrith | ./ | 16:03 |
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| bknudson | I don't care which way it goes myself, but if it's going to remain deprecated then we need to move away, and if it's un-deprecated then we'll go back to using it | 16:04 |
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| dims | bknudson: stevemar: did the python-dateutils get through global? | 16:04 |
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| ihrachyshka | zzzeek, yeah, it's under control | 16:05 |
| zzzeek | ihrachyshka: :) | 16:05 |
| dims | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190268/ | 16:05 |
| stevemar | dims, not yet, needs another +2 | 16:06 |
| bknudson | where's the docs? | 16:06 |
| bknudson | https://dateutil.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ | 16:06 |
| harlowja_at_home | jd__, yt | 16:07 |
| stevemar | dims, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190268/ | 16:07 |
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| dims | bknudson: so my take on this is...we are just marking it as deprecated, so keystone does not have to remove it immediately and can leave it for a cycle. but keystone really wants to get rid of it right away, so you should do what you want to do which is copy the code or use python-dateutils or something else | 16:07 |
| dims | in effect we want to be able to tell everyone else that it's a bad idea and find alternatives i feel | 16:08 |
| dims | bknudson: works? | 16:08 |
| * jd__ nods | 16:08 | |
| bknudson | dims: I'd like to see -2s on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189523/ | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | how many -2s u want, lol | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | -2 with extreme prejudice! | 16:09 |
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| stevemar | i can help there -_- | 16:09 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:09 |
| dims | i just did a -1 | 16:09 |
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| harlowja_at_home | real men put -4 on it | 16:09 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:09 |
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| ihrachyshka | they say Chuck Norris puts -8 | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | -4, when -2 just doesn't get the message across | 16:10 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ihrachyshka, i'm pretty sure the whole CI system blows up when chuck norris touches it | 16:10 |
| dims | bknudson: thanks for your patience and helping navigate all of us to a path | 16:10 |
| dims | forward | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | harlowja_at_home: ++ | 16:10 |
| ihrachyshka | harlowja_at_home, you should not be the one to blow it up sometimes | 16:10 |
| ihrachyshka | it takes a single new library release | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | (that may or may not explain how it blows up every now or then) | 16:10 |
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| dims | any other issues? | 16:11 |
| dims | k. moving on | 16:11 |
| dims | #topic Releases for this week | 16:11 |
| dims | Do we neeed any releases? Here are the unreleased changes | 16:11 |
| dims | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/294121/ | 16:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Releases for this week (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:11 | |
| * harlowja_at_home is going to pop out a taskflow release today | 16:11 | |
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| harlowja_at_home | or get dhellmann to (mr.release-man) | 16:12 |
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| dims | tooz? | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | yes, tooz we should to, jd__ what u think? | 16:12 |
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| * harlowja_at_home also needs to get kazoo out (another lib that people use) | 16:12 | |
| jd__ | yes! | 16:12 |
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| harlowja_at_home | * https://github.com/python-zk/kazoo/pull/336 (if people care, the PR for that kazoo releasE) | 16:13 |
| dims | tooz, taskflow from oslo space :) | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | the oslo galaxy | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:13 |
| dims | on oslo.vmware 1.x i got word from vipin, garyk etc about fixing up their exception hierarchy as a pre-req for 1.x designation | 16:14 |
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| dims | so that's probably another week | 16:14 |
| dims | k. next topic | 16:15 |
| dims | #topic New libraries and drivers - how is it going? | 16:15 |
| dims | #link specs - http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/oslo-specs/ | 16:15 |
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| ozamiatin | dims, dhellmann, we were going to create a feature branch for the new zmq driver | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | new libraries going good, hopefully a futurist release soon | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | *new librraries i'm helping get out there | 16:15 |
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| dims | ozamiatin: you need to provide dhellmann with a SHA which he can use to create a feature branch | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | i did create https://bugs.python.org/issue24451 (that would be nice for futurist) | 16:16 |
| dims | harlowja_at_home: thanks | 16:16 |
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| harlowja_at_home | and i'll probably try to get something upstream in python for that, haypo hopefully help ;) | 16:16 |
| ozamiatin | dims, k, got it | 16:16 |
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| dims | ozamiatin: sileht: the "new" support for dropping devstack in functional test is enough for zmq as well? | 16:16 |
| kgiusti | amqp 1.0 in CI - progress continues. If I can send more Red Bull to flaper87, we should be done soon | 16:16 |
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| dims | kgiusti: awesome | 16:17 |
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| dims | Anyone working on oslo.cache? i am concerned about that | 16:17 |
| sileht | dims, the gate jobs work, but the zmq functionnal tests still don't pass | 16:17 |
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| ozamiatin | silent, dims, they didn't pass with devstack too | 16:18 |
| dims | sileht: thx for the update | 16:18 |
| sileht | something is stuck inside the driver during the tests, I have not invetigated more | 16:18 |
| dims | ozamiatin: ack | 16:18 |
| dims | anyone working on oslo.service or oslo.reports here today? | 16:19 |
| ozamiatin | silent, I think it will be fixed in new driver now :) | 16:19 |
| dims | ozamiatin: haha ++ | 16:19 |
| dims | k switching | 16:20 |
| dims | #topic New Specs | 16:20 |
| dims | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189006/ (Kafka) | 16:20 |
| dims | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191168/ (Windows support in oslo.service) | 16:20 |
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| harlowja_at_home | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191168/ will be an interseting one to see how that goes | 16:21 |
| dims | sileht: how much work is needed to expose our base classes so someone can write a messaging and notification driver outside our tree? any ideas? | 16:21 |
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| dims | harlowja_at_home: y especially reloading configs etc | 16:22 |
| * harlowja_at_home needs to poke sputnix (min) to get him to update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186524/ | 16:22 | |
| sileht | dims, no idea | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims, ya, it might expose some stuff we need in upstream python (or it might not, unsure) | 16:22 |
| sileht | dims, but that shouldn't be hard | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | #action harlowja_at_home poke sputnix about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186524/ | 16:22 |
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| dims | sileht: so we can tell them to get their own repo and implement a kafka driver? | 16:23 |
| sileht | dims, for notifier it's very easy | 16:24 |
| dims | since most of the code they pointed to is a kafka client from what harlowja_at_home told me :) | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | zzzeek, is there any online migration spec or such for oslo.db (it'd be interseting to read at the least, although u said u might be doing the changes in alembic itself, so maybe not oslo releated) | 16:24 |
| zzzeek | harlowja_at_home: at the moment i’ve been tasked with doing one for neutron | 16:24 |
| zzzeek | harlowja_at_home: it can become an oslo thing | 16:24 |
| zzzeek | harlowja_at_home: i wrote the rambly version on friday today I hope to chop out all the ramble from it | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | zzzeek, or alemibc thing, i was more interested in just reading how it would work :) | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | zzzeek, haha, kk | 16:24 |
| zzzeek | harlowja_at_home: yeah tehre’s also some alembic stuff I want to do in support of it | 16:25 |
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| sileht | dims, I think we should document how to write a messaging that does only notification stuff | 16:25 |
| zzzeek | harlowja_at_home: but realy this issue of, “the model that speaks to both schema versions”, this is an unsolved, or not-very-well-solved problem | 16:25 |
| dims | sileht: ++ | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | zzzeek, cool, i know to get alembic to run migrations automatically i had to do something 'weird' in taskflow | 16:25 |
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| zzzeek | harlowja_at_home: wonder what you mean by “automatically" | 16:25 |
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| dims | sileht: i remember we also talked about more than one active notification driver with different messaging infra as well (is it possible now?) | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | well zzzeek by calling an upgrade() function | 16:26 |
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| zzzeek | harlowja_at_home: OK, that is pretty straightforward…. | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, https://github.com/openstack/taskflow/blob/master/taskflow/persistence/backends/sqlalchemy/migration.py#L31 | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | nothing to magical | 16:26 |
| zzzeek | harlowja_at_home: you did too much here | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | probably, lol | 16:26 |
| sileht | dims, that possible from oslo.messaging PoV, but nova/neutron/... need to be updated to setup multiple transport instead of one global object | 16:26 |
| zzzeek | harlowja_at_home: you just call command.upgrade() for a straight upgrade | 16:27 |
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| harlowja_at_home | zzzeek, k, can chat after meeting to tweak that | 16:27 |
| zzzeek | harlowja_at_home: k | 16:27 |
| dims | couple of new things, to help with release/requirements issues, we took over mox3 last week from mordred's repo | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | how much are people still using that? | 16:28 |
| dims | jamielennox pinged me about a jsonhome impl - https://github.com/jamielennox/jsonhome/ - to see if oslo folks are interested | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | because i've seen weirdo errors with mox3 like in http://logs.openstack.org/72/190372/6/check/gate-oslo.service-python34/0e83172/console.html.gz | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | 'AttributeError: No values given for arguments: self' | 16:29 |
| dims | harlowja_at_home: it's in our global requirements, at least nova is using it. there's active work to move to mock, so we'll get rid of it when we are able to | 16:29 |
| bknudson | we've got JSON-Home in keystone but it's just implemented with dicts | 16:29 |
| bknudson | so if there was a library we'd use it in keystone | 16:29 |
| dims | harlowja_at_home: y i logged a bug for that one | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | whats jsonhome? | 16:29 |
| bknudson | and also when we add support for JSON Home resolution in keystoneclient we'll need some invention | 16:29 |
| dims | harlowja_at_home: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nottingham-json-home-02 | 16:30 |
| bknudson | JSONHome describes your REST resources | 16:30 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ah, k | 16:30 |
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| bknudson | it's provides relationships for the URLs so there's a level of indirection | 16:30 |
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| bknudson | so rather than go to /v3/auth/tokens, you would look up the relationship for "get_a_token" or whatever we call it. | 16:31 |
| dims | it wont fit neatly into any existing oslo projects (like CORS did with oslo.middleware)... | 16:31 |
| dims | so would need a new repo | 16:32 |
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| dims | me / bknudson will talk more with jamie and let everyone know...ok? | 16:32 |
| dims | switching | 16:33 |
| dims | #topic Ongoing work & Review priorities | 16:33 |
| dims | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-oslo-priorities-tracking | 16:33 |
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| dims | any items folks would like to speed up? | 16:33 |
| harlowja_at_home | depends on how big of chunks of taskflow people want to know about :-P | 16:34 |
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| harlowja_at_home | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189526/ would be neat (and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189536/ ) | 16:34 |
| harlowja_at_home | the example is neat imho if u want to try it | 16:34 |
| harlowja_at_home | pretty awesome-sauce | 16:34 |
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| dims | some easy ones from harlowja_at_home - https://review.openstack.org/#/q/message:pypip.in,n,z :) | 16:34 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, i have up on that site | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | *gave up | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | been up/down to much | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | they even tried giving the owner some paypal money | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | didn't help | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | *see https://github.com/badges/pypipins/issues/37 | 16:36 |
| dims | here's an old one from jamie - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/143423/ | 16:36 |
| dims | this one is a security related one in nova (needs a change in our code) - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190472/ | 16:37 |
| dims | essentially provide a hook so nova can track the pid and know when to kill | 16:37 |
| harlowja_at_home | cool | 16:37 |
| bnemec | dims: I don't think we want to add anything new to CfgFilter. | 16:38 |
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| bnemec | Given that we pretty much decided we weren't going to support it going forward. | 16:38 |
| dims | bnemec: ack, please cast your vote on that review | 16:38 |
| dims | i'll change mine too | 16:39 |
| * bnemec needs to get busy on that deprecation patch | 16:39 | |
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| dims | another one i wanted to bring here - oslo.messaging does not use oslo.log...do we want to add oslo.log? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190683/ | 16:40 |
| harlowja_at_home | if people want some meaty taskflow review, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164922/ (cue and octavia projects want that) | 16:40 |
| harlowja_at_home | maybe to meaty for some people, idk | 16:40 |
| harlowja_at_home | *especially vegetarians | 16:40 |
| dims | bnemec: ++ on the deprecation patch | 16:40 |
| dims | #topic Open discussion | 16:41 |
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| bnemec | #action bnemec deprecate config filter | 16:41 |
| harlowja_at_home | if people are intersted: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-ideas/2015-May/033609.html | 16:41 |
| harlowja_at_home | 'Adding jsonschema to the standard library' | 16:41 |
| rpodolyaka1 | dims: what's the profit of using oslo.log in oslo.messaging? I thought, we tried to avoid inter-dependencies between oslo libs | 16:41 |
| harlowja_at_home | may or may not happen | 16:41 |
| bknudson | batteries included | 16:41 |
| dims | rpodolyaka1: right, that's why i brought it up here | 16:42 |
| dhellmann | rpodolyaka1: in this case, there's a deprecation helper in oslo.log that might be useful in oslo.messaging | 16:42 |
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| rpodolyaka1 | dhellmann: ahh, haven't seen it yet | 16:43 |
| dims | dhellmann: how's the sofa? :) | 16:43 |
| harlowja_at_home | also, https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-ideas/2015-May/033740.html | 16:43 |
| harlowja_at_home | 'Displaying DeprecationWarnings in the interactive interpreter, second try' | 16:43 |
| harlowja_at_home | *relevant a little to oslo | 16:43 |
| dhellmann | dims: the old one is gone now, still waiting for the new one :-) | 16:43 |
| dims | :) | 16:43 |
| dims | dhellmann: remember we talked about Oslo project group on Launchpad ? | 16:44 |
| dims | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo/ | 16:44 |
| dims | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo | 16:44 |
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| dims | folks, do we need that group? or should all projects just show up under openstack? | 16:44 |
| dims | openstack launchpad group | 16:44 |
| harlowja_at_home | oh, dims dhellmann almost forgot, 2.6 dropping support, how much longer does that still have to happen? | 16:44 |
| harlowja_at_home | *retaining 2.6 support that is | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | dims: the question is whether we ever need to look at all oslo projects in launchpad at once | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | we did for kilo, as we tried to predict what would land in certain milestones | 16:45 |
| * harlowja_at_home gets asked by infra sometimes, why 2.6 support for this new library X (since other library Y still maintains 2.6 and Y will use X) | 16:45 | |
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| dhellmann | but now that we're releasing on demand, that seems less useful | 16:45 |
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| harlowja_at_home | anddddddd oh, oslo.blog (??) | 16:46 |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home: we can use blog.openstack.org for blogging, we just need to give people the credentials they need | 16:46 |
| bknudson | a handy library for blogging. | 16:46 |
| * harlowja_at_home is gonna blog all over that thing, lol | 16:46 | |
| dims | on the pro side, if we get rid of the group, our links in commit messages for bp(s) would work | 16:46 |
| harlowja_at_home | bknudson, :) | 16:46 |
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| dhellmann | harlowja: for 2.6 support, we need to maintain it in libs that are used by clients that still support 2.6 | 16:47 |
| * dims has credentials, but has not worked up any posts yet | 16:47 | |
| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, k, guess i need to go examine all those clients | 16:47 |
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| harlowja_at_home | see what they are up to | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | I believe juno is still tested on 2.6, but we have stable branches for libs now so that shouldn't affect us -- just projects testing 2.6 against master | 16:48 |
| bknudson | keystonclient still has a 2.6 job | 16:48 |
| bknudson | we'll drop it for 2.0 | 16:48 |
| harlowja_at_home | kk, so hopefully don't have to wait much longer i think | 16:49 |
| dims | going to try something new, let's vote on the oslo group thing | 16:49 |
| dims | #startvote Drop oslo project group? Yes, No, Maybe | 16:49 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Drop oslo project group? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Maybe. | 16:49 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 16:49 |
| dims | #vote Yes | 16:49 |
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| dhellmann | #vote Yes | 16:50 |
| harlowja_at_home | #vote yes | 16:50 |
| harlowja_at_home | seems fine with me | 16:50 |
| harlowja_at_home | *not sure what it buys us really | 16:50 |
| * sileht never uses it | 16:50 | |
| sileht | #vote yes | 16:50 |
| dims | harlowja_at_home: did you prepare the list of names for our mascot? :) | 16:51 |
| dims | anyone else wants to vote? | 16:51 |
| harlowja_at_home | oh crap | 16:51 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:51 |
| harlowja_at_home | maybe next time :-P | 16:51 |
| * jungleboyj doesn't have a strong feeling either way | 16:52 | |
| dims | #endvote | 16:52 |
| dims | folks probably moved on :) | 16:52 |
| openstack | Voted on "Drop oslo project group?" Results are | 16:52 |
| openstack | Yes (4): harlowja_at_home, dims, dhellmann, sileht | 16:52 |
| dims | anything else from anyone? | 16:52 |
| dims | if not...give you back 8 mins | 16:52 |
| dims | thanks everyone | 16:52 |
| dims | #endmeeting | 16:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 15 16:52:48 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-06-15-16.00.html | 16:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-06-15-16.00.txt | 16:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-06-15-16.00.log.html | 16:52 |
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| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 16:53 |
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| sputnik13 | #startmeeting cue | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 15 18:02:36 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sputnik13. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cue)" | 18:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cue' | 18:02 |
| sputnik13 | role call~ | 18:02 |
| abitha | here | 18:03 |
| dkalleg | 1 | 18:03 |
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| sputnik13 | we're missing a couple people | 18:03 |
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| vipul | o/ | 18:04 |
| sputnik13 | someone go kick esmute | 18:04 |
| sputnik13 | :) | 18:04 |
| sputnik13 | #topic Open Action Items | 18:05 |
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| sputnik13 | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cue/2015/cue.2015-06-08-18.02.html | 18:05 |
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| davideagnello | 2 | 18:06 |
| sputnik13 | o/ | 18:06 |
| esmute | Hello! | 18:06 |
| sputnik13 | ok we have quorum, let's get to the agenda | 18:06 |
| sputnik13 | #info AI #1, davideagnello to follow up on rally job merge | 18:06 |
| sputnik13 | davideagnello? | 18:06 |
| davideagnello | yes, the job is merged | 18:07 |
| sputnik13 | cool, does it look to be working? | 18:07 |
| sputnik13 | working as in executing the rally job? | 18:07 |
| davideagnello | I don't see it in our patches yet | 18:07 |
| sputnik13 | that sounds like a no | 18:07 |
| vipul | it's an experimental job | 18:07 |
| sputnik13 | do we need a new patch before it shows up? | 18:07 |
| sputnik13 | experimental is fine, but shouldn't it show up somewhere? | 18:08 |
| esmute | you can run it with 'check experimental' | 18:08 |
| vipul | you have to comment 'check experimental' | 18:08 |
| sputnik13 | ic | 18:08 |
| davideagnello | ok | 18:08 |
| vipul | i saw Sergey tried to run it on one of my patches | 18:08 |
| vipul | but it failed immediately | 18:08 |
| davideagnello | I noticed that too but it failed | 18:08 |
| sputnik13 | that doesn't sound good | 18:08 |
| vipul | so it's definitely not set up correctly | 18:08 |
| sputnik13 | ok, sounds like we need more followup then | 18:09 |
| vipul | yea follow up with Sergey or fix the job | 18:09 |
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| davideagnello | what is Sergey's handle or irc? | 18:09 |
| sputnik13 | #action davideagnello to follow up on rally job merge, work with Sergey to fix job and ensure it runs on some patches | 18:09 |
| sputnik13 | #info rally job merged but is failing right away | 18:10 |
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| sputnik13 | ok, next? | 18:11 |
| sputnik13 | #info vipul and sputnik13 to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187620/ and +1 it | 18:11 |
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| vipul | davideagnello: just ask someone in the rally room | 18:11 |
| davideagnello | vipul: ok | 18:12 |
| sputnik13 | oh this is directly related | 18:12 |
| sputnik13 | AI#2 | 18:12 |
| vipul | #done | 18:12 |
| sputnik13 | yup | 18:12 |
| esmute | who is doing this work? | 18:12 |
| sputnik13 | #info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187620/ has merged, directly related to AI#1 | 18:12 |
| esmute | Serget? | 18:12 |
| * sputnik13 elects esmute | 18:12 | |
| sputnik13 | :) | 18:12 |
| davideagnello | sputnik13: merged on June 10th | 18:13 |
| esmute | if the rally test is failing during the devstack install, you can look at the integration tests setup | 18:13 |
| esmute | i had to do some things to get devstack up and running | 18:13 |
| esmute | https://github.com/stackforge/cue/tree/master/tests | 18:14 |
| esmute | look at the gate_hook.sh, pre_test_hook.sh | 18:14 |
| esmute | these will setup devstack | 18:14 |
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| sputnik13 | davideagnello can you take a look at these and follow up with esmute if you have issues/questions? | 18:15 |
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| vipul | Yea if there are certain things that we need to do that are unique then Sergey will not know those | 18:15 |
| davideagnello | sputnik13: this is related to get the rally job running, correct? | 18:15 |
| vipul | we're probably better off fixing the job | 18:15 |
| sputnik13 | yes | 18:15 |
| davideagnello | sputnik13: already noted :) | 18:15 |
| sputnik13 | ok, good | 18:16 |
| sputnik13 | vipul the action is to "work with Sergey" so I think we're covered ;) | 18:16 |
| sputnik13 | next AI? | 18:16 |
| sputnik13 | #info AI #3 esmute to classify https://bugs.launchpad.net/cue/+bug/1439329 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/cue/+bug/1439330 | 18:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1439329 in Cue "Cluster goes to ERROR when creating it with flavor passed by name" [Undecided,New] | 18:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1439330 in Cue "Cannot delete cluster by name" [Undecided,New] | 18:16 |
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| esmute | sputnik13: i tried to do it but it was grey out for me | 18:17 |
| sputnik13 | these two issues are still in "Undecided" | 18:17 |
| sputnik13 | esmute: do you not get the edit button? | 18:17 |
| vipul | esmute: you are in cue-drivers | 18:17 |
| esmute | ok it is working now | 18:17 |
| vipul | should work for you | 18:17 |
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| esmute | it didnt work last week when i tried.. hmm | 18:17 |
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| sputnik13 | right, when you mentioned that vipul added you to cue-drivers | 18:18 |
| vipul | Yep | 18:18 |
| esmute | ok.. i just classified them as medium since we can still reference them by their id | 18:18 |
| sputnik13 | it needs to meet the agreed definition | 18:18 |
| vipul | so esmute does nova actually support booting vms by flavor name? | 18:18 |
| esmute | it does vipul | 18:18 |
| vipul | are you sure it's not a nova-client thing? | 18:19 |
| esmute | you can pass in m1-small or something like that as teh flavor | 18:19 |
| esmute | ohh hmm | 18:19 |
| esmute | could be a nova client thing :p | 18:19 |
| sputnik13 | esmute: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Bugs | 18:19 |
| esmute | i can try the rest API and see | 18:19 |
| sputnik13 | it's not a bug if it's not a supported feature | 18:20 |
| vipul | afaict, the nova api accepts a flavorRef | 18:20 |
| vipul | which is.. "The flavor reference for the desired flavor for your server instance. | 18:20 |
| vipul | Specify as an ID or full URL." | 18:20 |
| esmute | ok.. ill check whether it is a bug or not... ill check the nova api and see if it does support referencing flavor by name | 18:20 |
| sputnik13 | to me this is more a feature, a minor one but a feature | 18:20 |
| vipul | #link http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-compute-v2.html | 18:20 |
| esmute | if its not a bug in cue, then it is a bug in cue-client | 18:21 |
| vipul | it's a nice-to-have | 18:21 |
| sputnik13 | so it's more a wishilist item I think | 18:21 |
| esmute | it is.. but dont we want to have nova as our role model for the client? | 18:21 |
| vipul | does the openstackclient do this | 18:22 |
| esmute | meaning, if nova references flavor by name or delete resources by name, cue client should too | 18:22 |
| sputnik13 | I think we should definitely have these but a lack of a feature is not a bug, a bug is a failure of a feature | 18:22 |
| esmute | So should this be a BP then? | 18:23 |
| davideagnello | that makes sense | 18:23 |
| sputnik13 | no, it doesn't need to be a BP, it's small enough i don't think we need that much formality | 18:23 |
| sputnik13 | but whether something's a defect vs a feature, we should be consistent | 18:24 |
| davideagnello | do we just track it as a "wish list" item? | 18:24 |
| esmute | so what do these ticket need to be made correct? | 18:24 |
| sputnik13 | defect = bug, minor feature = wishlist, major feature => bp | 18:24 |
| sputnik13 | something like that? | 18:24 |
| sputnik13 | esmute there's a "wishlist" category | 18:24 |
| esmute | yeah i just saw that | 18:24 |
| sputnik13 | you can classify it as thus | 18:24 |
| esmute | ok.. | 18:24 |
| sputnik13 | just don't leave it "undefined" | 18:24 |
| sputnik13 | are we good with this AI? | 18:25 |
| davideagnello | +1 | 18:26 |
| esmute | ok.. i just classified it as wishlist | 18:26 |
| sputnik13 | ok, thanks | 18:26 |
| sputnik13 | #info AI #4 sputnik13 to harass josh barry to classify https://bugs.launchpad.net/cue/+bug/1450931 | 18:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1450931 in Cue "Readme doc link incorrect" [Undecided,New] | 18:26 |
| sputnik13 | I dropped the ball on that, I will get it reclassified and close the loop with Josh | 18:26 |
| sputnik13 | #action sputnik13 to classify https://bugs.launchpad.net/cue/+bug/1450931 and talk with Josh about classifying submitted bugs | 18:27 |
| sputnik13 | #info AI #4 sputnik13 to fill in details for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cue/+spec/kafka | 18:27 |
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| sputnik13 | this one has not started yet, I will be working on it this week and should have more information next week | 18:27 |
| sputnik13 | #action sputnik13 to fill in details for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cue/+spec/kafka | 18:28 |
| sputnik13 | ugh I'm messing up the numbers :( | 18:28 |
| sputnik13 | that was AI #5 not 4 | 18:28 |
| sputnik13 | wish there was a meetbot feature for referring to AIs for closure | 18:28 |
| sputnik13 | #info AI #6 davideagnello to add detail to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cue/+spec/rally-scenario-tests based on existing rally tests and gate testing things in process | 18:28 |
| sputnik13 | davideagnello did you have a chance to close this out? | 18:29 |
| sputnik13 | I don't see any updates to it from last week, does it still make sense to do this? | 18:29 |
| davideagnello | I added some, at what level do we need? | 18:29 |
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| sputnik13 | not sure, vipul do you have thoughts on how much detail we should have in BP? | 18:30 |
| davideagnello | sputnik13: I referenced the two patches that where submitted for this blueprint | 18:30 |
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| vipul | for things that are already done.. i don't know if it makes sense to go back and add a lot of detail | 18:30 |
| sputnik13 | ok, we'll call that done then? | 18:31 |
| vipul | davideagnello: did you add those or did that happen via gerrit | 18:31 |
| vipul | i hope it happened automatically | 18:31 |
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| vipul | yea i think so | 18:31 |
| davideagnello | I added it | 18:31 |
| davideagnello | blueprints don't seem to link automatically because gerrit looks in openstack vs. stackforge | 18:31 |
| vipul | davideagnello: ok.. then something might be broken with how we refernced the bp in the commit message | 18:31 |
| sputnik13 | right... | 18:32 |
| davideagnello | vipul: ok | 18:32 |
| vipul | davideagnello: ok that might be it | 18:32 |
| sputnik13 | yeah blueprint links are all kinds of broke for stackforge projects | 18:32 |
| sputnik13 | when I click a link even in gerrit it doesn't take you to the correct bp page | 18:32 |
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| sputnik13 | because it assumes openstack not stackforge | 18:32 |
| davideagnello | I think for now we should update blueprints with patches as we commit them for now.. | 18:33 |
| sputnik13 | #info davideagnello added links to implementation patches to BP | 18:33 |
| sputnik13 | ok, let's go on we're halfway through the meeting with just AIs :( | 18:33 |
| sputnik13 | #info AI #7 davideagnello to add link and information to v1 API in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cue/+spec/v1-api | 18:34 |
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| sputnik13 | davideagnello that doesn't look done, can you add the link and any necessary information? | 18:34 |
| davideagnello | sputnik13: didn't do that one.. | 18:34 |
| davideagnello | yes, I will dig back and get those references in | 18:34 |
| sputnik13 | #action davideagnello to add link and information to v1 API in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cue/+spec/v1-api | 18:34 |
| sputnik13 | #info AI #8 sputnik13 reproduce bug that fails to rollback a cluster create and file a bug with the details | 18:35 |
| sputnik13 | so, the cluster rollback wasn't happening because of a taskflow feature we were using improperly | 18:35 |
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| sputnik13 | retry controllers that come with taskflow "out of the box" don't support "REVERT_ALL" on failure which is what we need in order for a complete rollback to happen | 18:36 |
| sputnik13 | so actually, rather than we were using it improperly, it's more accurate to say we didn't understand the ramifications fully | 18:37 |
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| sputnik13 | a patch was submitted to taskflow to add a flag to retry controllers to choose REVERT_ALL vs REVERT on failure | 18:37 |
| sputnik13 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190078/ | 18:38 |
| davideagnello | sputnik13: makes sense | 18:38 |
| sputnik13 | that has merged, so as soon as a release with that patch is made we will move the following patch in to the code base | 18:38 |
| sputnik13 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190081/ | 18:38 |
| sputnik13 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190081/ | 18:38 |
| sputnik13 | #action sputnik13 to track release of new taskflow version and ensure https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190081/ is merged | 18:39 |
| sputnik13 | ok last AI from last meeting | 18:39 |
| sputnik13 | #info AI #9 vipul davideagnello esmute abitha dkalleg to check that existing bugs have the correct classification | 18:39 |
| sputnik13 | not going to go over those individually, please all make sure you go through your bugs if you haven't already and make sure they're correctly classified | 18:39 |
| davideagnello | sputnik13: went over my set | 18:40 |
| sputnik13 | cool | 18:40 |
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| sputnik13 | I'm not going to mention that one again, we'll just let it all fall out from this point forward while reviewing bugs | 18:40 |
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| sputnik13 | questions or anything anyone wants to raise about the Action Items? | 18:41 |
| sputnik13 | no? next topic | 18:41 |
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| vipul | i'm good.. | 18:41 |
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| sputnik13 | #topic Tempest gate | 18:41 |
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| sputnik13 | that's not on our agenda but I'm adding it because there was a vote on it last week to postpone a decision until today | 18:42 |
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| sputnik13 | esmute davideagnello can you update us on the tempest gate? | 18:42 |
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| esmute | we have been adding more fixes to stabilize the test | 18:42 |
| sputnik13 | what's the failure/success rate, is it ready to mege, etc | 18:42 |
| sputnik13 | s/mege/merge | 18:42 |
| sputnik13 | esmute: when was the last fix? | 18:43 |
| esmute | since last friday, it has failed around 5 times out of 18 runs | 18:43 |
| sputnik13 | do we know what is causing the failures? Is it anything under our control? | 18:43 |
| esmute | but i feel that it is more stables than that since we have added some fixes last week | 18:43 |
| sputnik13 | but if it's 5/18 since friday, are you saying there were changes merged over the weekend? | 18:44 |
| esmute | not really.. the test was failing becasue the cue cluster didnt come active in 30 mins... so i added a function to grab the logs from the rabbitmq as well as console-log from nova | 18:44 |
| esmute | this was merged last week. | 18:44 |
| esmute | there hasnt been that many patches in stackforge/cue recently to see how stable it has become | 18:45 |
| davideagnello | do the logs have hints on what is wrong? | 18:45 |
| esmute | 5/18 was the run done by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187273/ | 18:45 |
| sputnik13 | well, I think the question is does the tempest job do what it's supposed to | 18:45 |
| sputnik13 | not is cue stable | 18:45 |
| sputnik13 | cue stability is something that the tempest job is supposed to tell us about | 18:46 |
| vipul | i think we want to get the job passing consistently before i'd make it a gate to merge | 18:46 |
| vipul | if it's because cue isn't stable.. then we should address those issues | 18:46 |
| sputnik13 | so the decision on whether to make the tempest gate voting or not should be based on our confidence in the job doing what it's supposed to | 18:46 |
| vipul | if we make it voting and it's not stable.. it will be very counter productive | 18:46 |
| esmute | since we havent had that many patches in, i will continue to manually do recheck | 18:46 |
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| sputnik13 | vipul but wouldn't that make it a forcing function... and that's the point of the gate isn't it? | 18:47 |
| esmute | now that we have added the logs to the tests, we should get more information about why the cluster fails to become active | 18:47 |
| vipul | yes it is but we'll essentially block all non-related work as well that's teh concern | 18:48 |
| esmute | what is your impressions in your patches? | 18:48 |
| sputnik13 | vipul I agree, but I'm also not 100% confident in the gate yet either | 18:48 |
| esmute | has it been failing a lot? | 18:48 |
| vipul | you think the gate itself is the issue? | 18:49 |
| esmute | keep in mind that we have added some fixes recently | 18:49 |
| vipul | i'd like to find out why it's failing 5/18 times | 18:49 |
| sputnik13 | vipul I think we don't know is the thing | 18:49 |
| esmute | we have ways to get the logs now | 18:49 |
| sputnik13 | I'm wondering whether the default resource limits are affecting the tests | 18:49 |
| esmute | and ill keep running the test manually | 18:49 |
| vipul | ok as it's failing please try to dig into why.. otherwise this will lead us nowhere | 18:50 |
| esmute | guys, that 5/18 was from june 1 | 18:50 |
| vipul | ok can you rebase to now, and let's run it 20 times and see what the current state is | 18:50 |
| esmute | and i havent been manually triggering the test that much recently | 18:50 |
| sputnik13 | ok, you said since last friday... | 18:50 |
| esmute | and we dont have enough patches. | 18:50 |
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| vipul | we don't need patches to exercise this | 18:51 |
| sputnik13 | let's rebase as vipul said and recheck 20 times | 18:51 |
| esmute | sputnik13: sorry.. that was a mistype | 18:51 |
| esmute | since friday i have run it twice and they both passed | 18:51 |
| sputnik13 | esmute we've said before that we're going to use the check job to just run recheck manually | 18:51 |
| sputnik13 | not relying on new patches | 18:51 |
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| esmute | 5/18 is from the begining until friday | 18:51 |
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| sputnik13 | because the number of patches we have are so low that wouldn't be a good indicator of whether the tempest job runs in a reliable manner | 18:52 |
| esmute | sputnik13: correct.. i've been doing that but i havent done it since recently due to vacation and other stuff | 18:52 |
| vipul | esmute: i think we need new data, let's rebase and recollect data | 18:52 |
| esmute | and recently, we have just added a bunch of fixes | 18:52 |
| vipul | esmute: good? | 18:53 |
| sputnik13 | ok, just so we're all on the same page... | 18:53 |
| sputnik13 | we're talking about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187273/ | 18:53 |
| esmute | yes . that is what im proposing too | 18:53 |
| sputnik13 | let's not talk about new patches | 18:53 |
| esmute | sputnik13: yes... | 18:53 |
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| sputnik13 | the action now is to rebase https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187273/ | 18:53 |
| sputnik13 | then run recheck on it at least 20 times this week | 18:54 |
| sputnik13 | and for any failed runs assess what is causing the failure | 18:54 |
| sputnik13 | is this accurate? | 18:54 |
| vipul | #agree | 18:55 |
| esmute | yeah | 18:55 |
| esmute | #agree | 18:55 |
| sputnik13 | #action esmute to rebase https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187273/ then run a minimum of 20 rechecks on it by 6/22 | 18:55 |
| sputnik13 | #action esmute to present success/failure rates on tempest checks for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187273/ and root cause analysis for failures | 18:56 |
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| sputnik13 | we should have closure on this, it's been on the list for a while now | 18:56 |
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| sputnik13 | we have 3 minutes left | 18:57 |
| esmute | yes.. i started it in at the beginning of the month | 18:57 |
| sputnik13 | so we can't really talk about bugs or have open discussion today :( | 18:57 |
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| sputnik13 | starting next meeting we need to try and blast through AIs more quickly | 18:58 |
| esmute | ill try to be on top of this but if you see that a run finished and there is no 'recheck no bug', feel free to add it to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187273/ | 18:58 |
| sputnik13 | esmute: ok | 18:58 |
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| sputnik13 | abitha dkalleg you're both too quiet | 18:59 |
| sputnik13 | :P | 18:59 |
| dkalleg | Just reading along :) | 18:59 |
| abitha | me too | 18:59 |
| dkalleg | Havn't been part of any AIs | 18:59 |
| sputnik13 | you can at least agree or disagree to things :P | 18:59 |
| vipul | time's up | 19:00 |
| sputnik13 | I don't want this to be meetings about AIs, so starting next meeting I will try and just push through them as quickly as possible | 19:00 |
| vipul | +1 | 19:00 |
| dkalleg | #agree | 19:00 |
| esmute | lunch time!! | 19:00 |
| sputnik13 | anyone who has AIs should come having reviewed their list beforehand | 19:00 |
| sputnik13 | so we can blast through | 19:00 |
| sputnik13 | good? | 19:01 |
| sputnik13 | yeah #lunchtime | 19:01 |
| sputnik13 | :) | 19:01 |
| sputnik13 | thanks everyone | 19:01 |
| sputnik13 | #endmeeting | 19:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 15 19:01:19 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cue/2015/cue.2015-06-15-18.02.html | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cue/2015/cue.2015-06-15-18.02.txt | 19:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cue/2015/cue.2015-06-15-18.02.log.html | 19:01 |
| hogepodge | #startmeeting refstack | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 15 19:01:32 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hogepodge. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| davidlenwell | o/ | 19:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 19:01 |
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| pvaneck | o/ | 19:01 |
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| hogepodge | Agenda #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-15-06-15 | 19:02 |
| hogepodge | Please take a look and add any items. Most are based off of existing code reviews. | 19:02 |
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| sslypushenko__ | o/ | 19:02 |
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| hogepodge | #topic Infra Hosting | 19:03 |
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| hogepodge | Afaik, what's left if +1 reviews from the team then working with infra to get the +2s so we can start the process. | 19:03 |
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| hogepodge | s/if/is | 19:03 |
| davidlenwell | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188207/8 | 19:03 |
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| davidlenwell | we need to manually rebase .. | 19:04 |
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| hogepodge | because of the index? | 19:04 |
| davidlenwell | don't know if we should wait for more upvotes.. it will wipe the vote history | 19:04 |
| davidlenwell | yes | 19:04 |
| hogepodge | Rebasing faster stils leaves the comments, and needs to be done anyway | 19:05 |
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| davidlenwell | it will come in as a new patchset | 19:05 |
| davidlenwell | which will put the comments on the previous patchset .. | 19:06 |
| hogepodge | Can we rebase today and get the team to upvote, then ask for review from infra? Plus integrate any changes from previous comments. Feels like we're close to being done. | 19:07 |
| sslypushenko__ | +1 | 19:07 |
| davidlenwell | yes.. I can do that.. | 19:07 |
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| hogepodge | The puppet deployment script will need to be modified to deploy to two servers rather than the one (which I think is what it does right now) | 19:08 |
| krotscheck | o/ | 19:09 |
| hogepodge | Any further items on this topic? | 19:09 |
| krotscheck | does it need to live on two servers? | 19:09 |
| davidlenwell | krotscheck: did you catch hogepodge's last message | 19:09 |
| davidlenwell | yes | 19:09 |
| krotscheck | Because.... | 19:10 |
| davidlenwell | if you read scroll back in #refstack you can see the reasoning | 19:10 |
| davidlenwell | or i can go into it again here if you like | 19:10 |
| krotscheck | My scrollback is transient, I don't have what you're referring to. | 19:10 |
| davidlenwell | ahh .. well long story short .. we want to be able to scale the api seperately from the web front end.. | 19:11 |
| davidlenwell | the web front end can be scaled with a cdn.. but the api needs an lb and multiple servers to scale | 19:11 |
| sslypushenko__ | davidlenwell: I still can't get why we really need this) | 19:12 |
| krotscheck | That feels like premature optimization. Do you have any kind of usage metrics that indicates that you need that? | 19:12 |
| davidlenwell | its not an optimization | 19:12 |
| davidlenwell | they can be on the same server now | 19:12 |
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| davidlenwell | just want seperate urls .. so they are easier to decouple later | 19:12 |
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| krotscheck | davidlenwell: That requires two different SSL certs. Infra's going to ask some questions about that. | 19:13 |
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| krotscheck | Unless they're on different domains. | 19:13 |
| krotscheck | Sorr | 19:13 |
| krotscheck | Only if they're on different domains. | 19:13 |
| sslypushenko__ | davidlenwell We can decouple Refstack without hosting it on 2 uls | 19:13 |
| krotscheck | if they're on the same domain, then you can selectively LB the /api/ path | 19:13 |
| davidlenwell | api.refstack.org and www.refstack.org | 19:13 |
| davidlenwell | see that sounds more complex to me.. | 19:14 |
| sslypushenko__ | +1 for refstack/api | 19:14 |
| davidlenwell | it doesn't require two certs .. a single cert can work on both domains.. I do it with lenwell.org and home.lenwell.org | 19:14 |
| krotscheck | Ok, so I think we all agree that separation of concerns - API vs. Client - is a good thing. | 19:15 |
| krotscheck | The question is: Should we host on different domains or on the same one? | 19:15 |
| krotscheck | With an easy-to-use CORS middleware accessible, there's no technical concern about the browser sandbox. | 19:15 |
| davidlenwell | I think seperate domains are easier to decouple later .. | 19:15 |
| krotscheck | Load balancing is very doable by either domain or by uri | 19:16 |
| krotscheck | So those aren't concerns either. | 19:16 |
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| pvaneck | wasn't there talk about perhaps moving to refstack.openstack.org at some point? | 19:16 |
| krotscheck | So the only real question is: One or two SSL certs? (Infra doesn't do wildcard, best of my knowledge) | 19:16 |
| krotscheck | That too. | 19:16 |
| krotscheck | On the server side, it's really just a question of vhost configuration. | 19:17 |
| hogepodge | If I understand the history correctly refstack.org was conceived of at a board meeting specifically to host this service, so it has board backing. | 19:18 |
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| hogepodge | I don't have a strong opinion of one domain vs two. | 19:18 |
| davidlenwell | I don't think it will be a problem to get a wild card cert.. but we can defer to next week when we have catherine here to make a call | 19:18 |
| krotscheck | So, if we're ok with two SSL certs, then I would say we go with two domains, because I really don't want to write conditionals into the puppet module to detect whether it needs to munge everything into one vhost or provide two. | 19:18 |
| hogepodge | Is this something that we would like to vote or, or further code review including infra input? | 19:19 |
| krotscheck | Well, isn't this discussion what the spec is for? | 19:19 |
| davidlenwell | I think we need input from infra.. right now they have not commented on this issue at all | 19:19 |
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| sslypushenko__ | +1 for discussion with infra | 19:20 |
| hogepodge | Ok, leave for discussion in the cert. Can everyone state their case in the review and we can solicit infra feedback? If they have a strong stance I would tend to defer to their judgment. I'd also like Catherine to have a say too. She should be back next week. | 19:20 |
| davidlenwell | +1 | 19:20 |
| krotscheck | +1 | 19:21 |
| hogepodge | Ok, moving on to the next topic. | 19:21 |
| hogepodge | #topic OpenStack ID Integration | 19:21 |
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| hogepodge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176335/ | 19:21 |
| hogepodge | sslypushenko__: can you update us? | 19:21 |
| sslypushenko__ | I finished unittests for this path | 19:22 |
| sslypushenko__ | I need Docker patch to be merged for some addtitional testing | 19:22 |
| * krotscheck has a call, will be partially available | 19:23 | |
| hogepodge | Let's merge the next topic into this one then, the docker patch | 19:24 |
| hogepodge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182266/ | 19:24 |
| sslypushenko__ | +1) | 19:25 |
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| pvaneck | sslypushenko__: I commented on some things. But once that is complete, I think it is good to go | 19:26 |
| davidlenwell | we had upvoted it but you patche dit again | 19:26 |
| hogepodge | sslypushenko__: is it still a wip? | 19:26 |
| sslypushenko__ | I resolved that issue, pvaneck | 19:26 |
| pvaneck | the issue in start.sh? | 19:26 |
| pvaneck | one line needs to be updated to fit with master | 19:26 |
| sslypushenko__ | I think it is ready | 19:26 |
| davidlenwell | I will review it again | 19:27 |
| sslypushenko__ | pvaneck I meant issue with Refstack url | 19:27 |
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| sslypushenko__ | oh! I see new review | 19:28 |
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| sslypushenko__ | I will update code ASAP | 19:29 |
| pvaneck | yea, I tested this morning, and it works well once that cd line is fixed | 19:29 |
| hogepodge | Great. Glad to see this moving forward. Anything else on these two topics? | 19:30 |
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| sslypushenko__ | Nothing ftom my side | 19:30 |
| hogepodge | #topic Schema Version Handling | 19:31 |
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| hogepodge | pvaneck: you've mostly been working on this. | 19:31 |
| hogepodge | Any items or issues? | 19:31 |
| pvaneck | tested with 2015.next.json | 19:31 |
| pvaneck | works from what I can tell | 19:31 |
| hogepodge | pvaneck: I wanted to point out these reviews: | 19:32 |
| hogepodge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/defcore,n,z | 19:32 |
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| hogepodge | These are the open defcore reviews, a bunch of them reintroduce flags using the new format. | 19:32 |
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| hogepodge | pvaneck: If you want to see how flagging is being handled. Basically if the flag key appears in a test it will have a value which is a dictionary of date, reason, and action | 19:33 |
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| hogepodge | So this, for example: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189927/ | 19:33 |
| hogepodge | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189927/1/2015.next.json,cm | 19:33 |
| pvaneck | hogepodge: yep, I made sure v1.3 schema handling handled that format | 19:34 |
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| hogepodge | pvaneck: ok, great. Just wanted to make you aware of it. | 19:34 |
| pvaneck | are any flags merged yet, so i can test to see if it works as intended? | 19:34 |
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| pvaneck | I'm pretty sure it does, but just in case | 19:35 |
| hogepodge | pvaneck: not yet, flag merging is going to take a bit of time while we sort out what can be fixed and what can't | 19:35 |
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| pvaneck | alright | 19:35 |
| hogepodge | (by fixed I mean fixed quickly) | 19:35 |
| hogepodge | Anything else on this topic? | 19:35 |
| pvaneck | all good here | 19:35 |
| hogepodge | #topic Auto-Watch Configuration Changes | 19:36 |
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| hogepodge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188835/ | 19:36 |
| hogepodge | krotscheck: this one is from you. Looks like a straight forward feature addition. | 19:36 |
| pvaneck | that should be an easy merge | 19:36 |
| krotscheck | Yep | 19:37 |
| hogepodge | Ok, so just needs reviews. | 19:37 |
| hogepodge | Figured that would be a quick one. | 19:37 |
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| hogepodge | moving on | 19:37 |
| hogepodge | #topic Client: current and future work | 19:38 |
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| hogepodge | The client hasn't seen a bunch of development lately. One main patch outstanding to add https support | 19:38 |
| hogepodge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191129/ | 19:38 |
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| hogepodge | I was wondering if anyone had a vision of the direction the client would move in. New features or fixes? | 19:38 |
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| sslypushenko__ | In terms of future plans, I can say that we need a mechanism for preventing multiple uploads of same test results | 19:40 |
| hogepodge | sslypushenko__: I would imagine that would be a server-side api update with client support | 19:40 |
| sslypushenko__ | I think it will be part of work on migration to subunit2sql | 19:41 |
| sslypushenko__ | hogepodge Not really | 19:41 |
| pvaneck | I think catherine had some ideas as well | 19:41 |
| sslypushenko__ | I thought about it and I didn't find way how to do this without client | 19:42 |
| sslypushenko__ | Actually, It this issue can be easily resolved with test result ids generated by client | 19:42 |
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| pvaneck | I think eventually we may need a new way to identify clouds as well | 19:43 |
| pvaneck | we use the keystone service id now | 19:43 |
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| pvaneck | but you need admin rights to view that I believe | 19:44 |
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| sslypushenko__ | I think it is sounds reasonble | 19:44 |
| hogepodge | pvaneck: that's problematic | 19:44 |
| pvaneck | if we want non-admin users to test a cloud, then I dont think the client would be able to get the keystone Id | 19:44 |
| pvaneck | if the tempest.conf doesnt have the admin credentials listed | 19:45 |
| hogepodge | pvaneck: having non-admin users test clouds is essential. | 19:45 |
| hogepodge | pvaneck: can you work up a spec for how that could be worked around? | 19:45 |
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| pvaneck | catherine comes back i think thursday. I'll brainstorm with her | 19:46 |
| hogepodge | pvaneck: thanks | 19:46 |
| sslypushenko__ | I think that we will have to work keystone team in terms of this issue | 19:47 |
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| hogepodge | sslypushenko__: that would be a much longer term effort that can't help us with existing deployments | 19:47 |
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| sslypushenko__ | okay. Let's try to think about it | 19:48 |
| hogepodge | Anything else? | 19:49 |
| sslypushenko__ | About client? | 19:49 |
| hogepodge | yeah | 19:49 |
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| sslypushenko__ | Nothing from me | 19:50 |
| hogepodge | #topic Open Discussion | 19:50 |
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| hogepodge | One that hit me from earlier in the meeting, should we add openstack eavesdrop and other bots to the #refstack channel? | 19:50 |
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| Rockyg | ++ | 19:51 |
| hogepodge | This was just based on davidlenwell and krotscheck chatting about room history | 19:51 |
| davidlenwell | I thought it already was | 19:51 |
| Rockyg | And OpenStack standards... | 19:51 |
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| davidlenwell | at least it used to be | 19:51 |
| hogepodge | I see gerrit is plugged in | 19:52 |
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| sslypushenko__ | About Docker patch - I rebased it on current master, fixed it and do some testing. I think its ready to be merged | 19:53 |
| hogepodge | Room isn't logged. | 19:53 |
| hogepodge | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/ | 19:53 |
| sslypushenko__ | +1 for room logs) | 19:53 |
| hogepodge | I can poke infra to see if they can plug it in for us | 19:54 |
| hogepodge | assuming no objections otherwise | 19:54 |
| pvaneck | +1 for logging | 19:54 |
| hogepodge | This is my last week running the weekly meetings. Catherine should be back next week. | 19:54 |
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| sslypushenko__ | davidlenwell Please, look at Docker patch and press the button if is ok) | 19:54 |
| davidlenwell | no objection here | 19:54 |
| davidlenwell | yep .. | 19:55 |
| davidlenwell | on it | 19:55 |
| pvaneck | sslypushenko_: did you push your latest patch? | 19:55 |
| hogepodge | Thanks for everyone's patience with the unusual situation. | 19:55 |
| pvaneck | sslypushenko__ ^^ | 19:56 |
| sslypushenko__ | done) | 19:56 |
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| hogepodge | I'll leave the meeting open for a couple more minutes. Thanks everyone. Hope you had a fun weekend, and have a fantastic week. | 19:58 |
| Rockyg | Hey, vacations happen. You can't always predict them | 19:58 |
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| hogepodge | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 15 19:59:10 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-06-15-19.01.html | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-06-15-19.01.txt | 19:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-06-15-19.01.log.html | 19:59 |
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| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 19:59 |
| igueths | o/ | 19:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 15 19:59:46 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 19:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 19:59 |
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| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:00 |
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| igueths | o/ | 20:00 |
| chellygel | ╭ (o^‿ ^#)ᕗ | 20:00 |
| jkf | Greetings | 20:00 |
| jvrbanac | o/ | 20:00 |
| kfox1111 | o/ | 20:00 |
| Daviey | \o | 20:00 |
| rellerreller | o/ | 20:00 |
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| elmiko | yo/ | 20:01 |
| redrobot | as usual the meeting agenda can be found here: | 20:01 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican | 20:01 |
| redrobot | ok, let's get started | 20:02 |
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| redrobot | #topic Blueprint Review Google Hangouts | 20:02 |
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| redrobot | chellygel was asking about this earlier today | 20:02 |
| jaosorior | o/ | 20:02 |
| redrobot | and I just wanted to give a heads up that we can schedule google hangouts to talk about Blueprints whenever | 20:02 |
| woodster_ | o/ | 20:02 |
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| redrobot | Our goal is to try and land all blueprints for Kilo by kilo-1 | 20:03 |
| redrobot | derr s/kilo/liberty | 20:03 |
| jvrbanac | liberty? | 20:03 |
| jvrbanac | lol | 20:03 |
| * redrobot is living in the past | 20:03 | |
| elmiko | hehe | 20:03 |
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| arunkant | o/ | 20:03 |
| redrobot | so, if there's any blueprints that may benefit from real time (google hangout or similar) discussion, please bring those up during this meeting, and we can get some time scheduled to talk about it | 20:04 |
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| chellygel | :) sounds great to me! | 20:04 |
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| jvrbanac | +1 | 20:04 |
| rellerreller | +1 | 20:05 |
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| redrobot | Also, a reminder that anyone can add agenda items to the agenda | 20:05 |
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| redrobot | otherwise, y'all will be stuck with the topics I make up as I go along ;) | 20:06 |
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| redrobot | any questions/comments about scheduling Google Hangouts for BP reviews? | 20:07 |
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| kfox1111 | redrobot: how about the container acl blueprint? | 20:07 |
| rellerreller | redrobot will there be an etherpad page or anything with the schedule? | 20:07 |
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| kfox1111 | is it well defined enough not to need a google hangout? | 20:07 |
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| redrobot | kfox1111 I haven't had a chance to look at it. | 20:08 |
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| kfox1111 | ok. want to punt a week? (link here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/barbican/+spec/container-acl) | 20:09 |
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| redrobot | kfox1111 sure thing... we'll try to get some reviews on this, and see if a google hangout is needed next week? | 20:09 |
| kfox1111 | ok. sounds good. thanks. | 20:09 |
| redrobot | #action redrobot to review container-acl spec for possible hangout | 20:09 |
| redrobot | rellerreller usually I advertise upcoming hangouts in the #openstack-barbican channel topic | 20:10 |
| rellerreller | redrobot sounds good | 20:10 |
| redrobot | rellerreller but I could add a wiki page in openstack wiki if you think that would be better? | 20:10 |
| redrobot | maybe ML announcement + Channel Topic ? | 20:11 |
| rellerreller | redrobot I was curious. | 20:11 |
| elmiko | would it be worth it to have a hangout to talk about the wsgi wrapper stuff, or can that be hashed out in a review? (i'm not sure if there are any big questions that need to get resolved) | 20:11 |
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| rellerreller | I did not know how to know when they would happen. Chat channel is ok. | 20:12 |
| redrobot | elmiko I think in-review first would be good... if the review seems to be taking too long, then we can schedule something | 20:12 |
| elmiko | redrobot: awesome, thanks | 20:13 |
| redrobot | alrighty, seems like we're all in agreement then | 20:13 |
| redrobot | moving on | 20:13 |
| redrobot | #topic Mid-Cycle Lodging | 20:13 |
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| redrobot | #link http://www.jhuapl.edu/aboutapl/visitor/lodging.asp | 20:13 |
| redrobot | rellerreller I had an action item for you for this | 20:14 |
| redrobot | rellerreller is the above link correct? Or is there other info we need? | 20:14 |
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| rellerreller | redrobot I thought that action item was closed. kfarr posted a link. | 20:14 |
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| redrobot | rellerreller awesome, just making sure... | 20:14 |
| rellerreller | redrobot that is a good link. | 20:14 |
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| kfarr | When you make your reservations, make sure you mention you're staying for APL business, and they should have a special rate | 20:15 |
| redrobot | kfarr awesome! | 20:15 |
| kfarr | at the ones listed on that page, at least :D | 20:15 |
| redrobot | #info call the hotels and mention you're visiting for APL business | 20:15 |
| redrobot | and if anyone needs more details for the mid-cycle sprint, you can find them here: | 20:15 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/BarbicanLibertySprint | 20:15 |
| redrobot | That's all I have on the agenda for today. Are there any topics y'all want to discuss? | 20:16 |
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| rellerreller | Anyone figure out why the unit tests were failing? | 20:17 |
| redrobot | #topic Failing Tox on HEAD | 20:17 |
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| rellerreller | We had that issue where you had to run devstack to get the unit tests to run. | 20:17 |
| redrobot | thanks for the reminder rellerreller. there was a lot of discussion on the channel last week about this. | 20:18 |
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| rellerreller | I was also wondering why they are taking so long. | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | someone else was also seeing these? maybe jaosorior | 20:20 |
| redrobot | ? | 20:20 |
| redrobot | Bueller? | 20:20 |
| rellerreller | alee was seeing it as well. | 20:20 |
| jaosorior | Still have this issue | 20:20 |
| jvrbanac | redrobot, I couldn't replicate the issue | 20:20 |
| rellerreller | It's strange. It's like you go back to an older version, run devstack, and tests. Then go to latest version and run test and it fails. | 20:21 |
| elmiko | is there a restack in there, or same devstack? | 20:22 |
| rellerreller | I have not had a good way to replicate, but I feel like it usually happens in that order. | 20:22 |
| rellerreller | After devstack is run then unstack and test. | 20:22 |
| elmiko | ah, ok | 20:23 |
| elmiko | i had some weird issues running db migrations depending on the backend, seemed like i was getting similar errors. but i couldn't replicate it with the unit tests. | 20:23 |
| rellerreller | It's bizarre because the output makes it look like it is trying to connect to some local service. I did not understand that. That's why I started to run devstack. | 20:23 |
| elmiko | weird | 20:23 |
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| redrobot | very weird... doesn't seem like we have any answers though :( | 20:26 |
| redrobot | more digging I suppose | 20:26 |
| rellerreller | Ya, if it happens again to me then I will probably start investigating. | 20:26 |
| redrobot | any other topics we want to talk about? If not we can all go back to work early... | 20:26 |
| arunkant | Can folks review Audit spec as it has been carried over from Kilo and has been pending for inputs for quite a while. | 20:26 |
| redrobot | #topic Reviews | 20:26 |
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| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/159938/ | 20:27 |
| redrobot | ^^ Auditing Spec | 20:27 |
| arunkant | I see jaosorior has provided some inputs and I can incorporate the details. Will be helpful to see if there are any further comments/ inputs | 20:28 |
| redrobot | arunkant agreed. | 20:28 |
| redrobot | Also please review kfox1111 's spec | 20:28 |
| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190404/ | 20:28 |
| rellerreller | arunkant I can take a look. It looks interesting. | 20:28 |
| arunkant | thanks rellerreller | 20:29 |
| redrobot | oh one last topic I just remembered | 20:29 |
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| redrobot | #topic Library Releases | 20:29 |
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| redrobot | so the Release Management team is taking ownership of the libraries | 20:30 |
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| redrobot | so instead of releasing directly, we'll be asking the relmgt team to release for us | 20:31 |
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| elmiko | interesting | 20:31 |
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| redrobot | they'll be making sure SemVer is correct... apparently some libraries don't follow SemVer correctly | 20:31 |
| redrobot | also they want to have the ability to release libs around cycle release time, to fix dependency issues like the ones at the end of Kilo | 20:32 |
| redrobot | for us that means they'll be releasing python-barbicanclient, castellan, and python-kiteclient | 20:32 |
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| elmiko | cool | 20:32 |
| woodster_ | hmmm...is Kite still a thing? | 20:33 |
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| redrobot | woodster_ good question... actually someone was asking about it on the ML last month | 20:33 |
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| redrobot | maybe we should reach out to Jamie Lennox to inquire? | 20:34 |
| redrobot | #action redrobot to figure out if Kite is still alive or if we should deprecate it | 20:35 |
| redrobot | any other questions/comments/topics? | 20:35 |
| arunkant | redrobot: is there a interest or need to add caching support in barbican ? I am not sure how is the barbican performance in production to worry about this aspect. | 20:35 |
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| redrobot | #topic Caching in Barbican | 20:36 |
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| redrobot | I recall having talked about it briefly a long time ago, but my impression is that we do not want to cache keys | 20:37 |
| arunkant | we will be using barbican in our environments soon so will know whether its needed or not by then. Wondering if folks have encountered related issue around that. | 20:37 |
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| redrobot | arunkant it's definitely a tradeoff between security and performance | 20:38 |
| arunkant | yes..it will be more on read calls and we can exclude secret payload read calls. Caching support will be selectively added. | 20:38 |
| arunkant | I have seen keystone uses dogpile which provides support for various type of backends like memcache, redis etc. | 20:39 |
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| morganfainberg | arunkant: please use dogpile over rolling some of the others. | 20:40 |
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| redrobot | morganfainberg hehe | 20:40 |
| redrobot | arunkant we (Rackspace) still have not gotten to the point where we need caching, but it could possibly be useful. | 20:41 |
| redrobot | arunkant I think it would depend on backend choices and such | 20:42 |
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| redrobot | we'll hopefully have more performance metrics soon | 20:42 |
| redrobot | maybe we can revisit this topic at a later time? | 20:42 |
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| arunkant | redrobot, okay. So will look into more details around this in case we may need this in near future. | 20:43 |
| redrobot | arunkant sounds good | 20:44 |
| redrobot | Any other topics? I think we may have time for one or two more. | 20:44 |
| arunkant | redrobot: one more thing, are ACL changes backported to Kilo? | 20:44 |
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| redrobot | arunkant not yet... I really need to do that. | 20:45 |
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| redrobot | arunkant there's a huge discussion on stable point releases going on in the ML, so I'm not sure when/if the release will happpen. | 20:45 |
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| arunkant | redrobot, okay. Thanks for the update. | 20:46 |
| redrobot | arunkant I'll get the fixes backported today though | 20:46 |
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| redrobot | anything else? | 20:46 |
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| redrobot | going once... | 20:47 |
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| redrobot | ok, looks like that's all for today. Thanks for coming guys! | 20:48 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 15 20:48:38 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-06-15-19.59.html | 20:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-06-15-19.59.txt | 20:48 |
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| elmiko | thanks redrobot | 20:49 |
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| pmalik | Hi! For interested reviewers, I pushed up patch sets with the guestagent configuration manager and configuration groups for Redis. | 22:00 |
| pmalik | Guestagent Configuration Manager: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191859/ | 22:00 |
| pmalik | Configuration Groups for Redis: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191860/ | 22:00 |
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