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| dims | courtesy ping for jd__, dhellmann, bnemec, flaper87, harlowja, viktors, rpodolyaka, zzzeek, sileht, kgiusti, dansmith, kragniz, amotoki, lintan, toabctl,jecarey, rpodolyaka1 | 16:00 |
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| dims | courtesy ping for redrobot, jungleboyj, zhiyan, therve, amotoki, GheRivero, bknudson, ihrachyshka, jogo, dougwig, sreshetnyak, amrith,haypo, johnsom, ozamiatin | 16:00 |
| zzzeek | o/ | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 16:00 |
| harlowja_still_a | sup | 16:00 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 16:00 |
| dims | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 29 16:00:41 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dims. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| jecarey | o/ | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| bknudson | hi | 16:00 |
| ozamiatin | o/ | 16:00 |
| jd__ | o/ | 16:00 |
| kragniz | o/ | 16:00 |
| bknudson | hi | 16:01 |
| harlowja_still_a | sup sup | 16:01 |
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| federico3 | o/ | 16:01 |
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| dims | let's get started | 16:01 |
| dims | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:01 | |
| dims | #info initial (unstable-API) releases for oslo.cache, oslo.reports, oslo.service, automaton, futurist are in pypi | 16:01 |
| bknudson | no red flags from keystone. | 16:01 |
| dims | bknudson: yay thx | 16:02 |
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| jungleboyj | No red flags for Cinder. Have a number of updates we have been making to get to the latest oslo libraries. So, just working through those. | 16:02 |
| stevemar | (though the keystone team would like a stable release of oslo.cache, get on that stevemar!) | 16:02 |
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| stevemar | bknudson: what about that change to oslo.service? | 16:03 |
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| bknudson | stevemar: seems to be going ok | 16:03 |
| bknudson | wouldn't call it a red flag yet. | 16:03 |
| dims | stevemar: let's use bugs for tracking items left to do for oslo.cache so we know when we will get to stable API? | 16:03 |
| ihrachyshka | I only wonder whether there is a chance to get any resolution for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176333/ | 16:03 |
| ihrachyshka | not a really red flag though | 16:03 |
| bknudson | oslo.service is changing the API on us | 16:04 |
| bknudson | but I guess they feel they can do that at this stage. | 16:04 |
| dims | bknudson: 0.1.x are all really early - forklift then adjust API mode | 16:04 |
| bknudson | if there's another release of oslo.service keystone will be broken since we're using the old interface | 16:04 |
| ihrachyshka | speaking of oslo.cache, seems like we switched API very seriously, and it's not clear how to adopt it. so docs would help. | 16:04 |
| bknudson | same thing will happen if we change keystone to use oslo.cache and then have to fix the api. | 16:05 |
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| dims | ihrachyshka: oslo.cache, you should see the spec. it's not the memorycache.py or cache.py from old oslo-incubator | 16:05 |
| stevemar | ihrachyshka: there were no APIs, it was in keystone before | 16:05 |
| ihrachyshka | stevemar, oh I thought it's the incubator code, but ok, I'll check the spec then | 16:06 |
| dims | ihrachyshka: dogpile is the interface | 16:06 |
| bknudson | keystone is going to break and since the changes aren't backwards-compat there's no way to not break | 16:06 |
| ihrachyshka | dims, meaning, we should use it directly? no oslo.cache? | 16:06 |
| bknudson | I pity the fool that does continuous delivery. | 16:06 |
| dims | ihrachyshka: encourage you to see the spec :) | 16:07 |
| ihrachyshka | ack | 16:07 |
| bknudson | maybe we should do this in a feature branch or something | 16:07 |
| * bnemec pictures bknudson wearing dozens of gold chains | 16:07 | |
| dims | lol | 16:07 |
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| dims | on that topic | 16:08 |
| dims | #topic Releases for this week | 16:08 |
| dims | Releases for this week. Here are the unreleased changes | 16:08 |
| dims | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/324570/ | 16:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Releases for this week (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:08 | |
| dims | please take a look at the link | 16:08 |
| dims | i'll roll these out this afternoon my time (it's mid-day now for me) | 16:09 |
| harlowja_still_a | seems ok to me :) | 16:09 |
| harlowja_still_a | thx dims | 16:09 |
| dims | if anyone has concerns that we will break someone, please ping me on #openstack-oslo | 16:10 |
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| dims | haypo and i pinged some nova folks for a possible oslo.db issue | 16:10 |
| bknudson | oslo.service will break keystone | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: what changed in the API? | 16:11 |
| bknudson | the service needs to be derived from a class... | 16:11 |
| dims | and there's an enforcement check that it is indeed derived from a class | 16:11 |
| bknudson | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196183/ | 16:11 |
| bknudson | this was the change: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194143/ | 16:11 |
| bknudson | Move service abstract base class check to launch_service methods | 16:12 |
| stevemar | this is the fix: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196175/ | 16:12 |
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| bknudson | y, we have a fix it's just not merged yet. | 16:12 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, we should make that transition smoother | 16:12 |
| bknudson | it's actually not bad at all since we can put in the current change now | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | why are we enforcing the type there in the first place? | 16:12 |
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| dims | bknudson: looks like just one more keystone core is needed | 16:13 |
| bknudson | dims: it is right on the brink of merging! | 16:13 |
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| bknudson | only a few more months and another core will look at it. | 16:14 |
| dims | haha | 16:14 |
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| dstanek | ok, so if we going to live with the backward incompatibility i can +2 the keystone fix | 16:14 |
| bknudson | some people are scared of dynamic languages and their crazy duck typing, so need to check interfaces with ABC. | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | dims: it sounds like things will be fine for keystone if we wait a bit, but do we know about anyone else? | 16:15 |
| dims | dhellmann: will check on nova before i release | 16:15 |
| dstanek | bknudson: ++, it's very unfortunate | 16:15 |
| dims | #topic New libraries and drivers - how is it going? | 16:15 |
| dims | #link specs - http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/oslo-specs/ | 16:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "New libraries and drivers - how is it going? (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:15 | |
| harlowja_still_a | i fixed a case of it in cinder (for the service isinstance check); so they should be fine | 16:16 |
| dims | docs, docs, docs is what i hear | 16:16 |
| ozamiatin | dims: spec is ready for review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187338/ | 16:16 |
| bknudson | dstanek: I abandoned the revert of the change to check the interface since it was getting lots of -1. | 16:16 |
| * harlowja_still_a docs have been made, its like brushing your teeth, do a little everynow and then and it pays off :-P | 16:16 | |
| ozamiatin | dims: need to merge this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193502/ to proceed with driver | 16:17 |
| kgiusti | devstack plugin has flushed what appears to be a bug in the proton packaging - I'm currently trying to work around/fix that | 16:17 |
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| dims | ozamiatin: ack, starred both for review later today | 16:17 |
| ozamiatin | dims: thanks | 16:18 |
| dims | kgiusti: thanks, is there a bug somewhere? | 16:18 |
| stevemar | thanks dstanek and morganfainberg | 16:18 |
| kgiusti | dims: I think it's in the upstream proton packaging | 16:18 |
| kgiusti | dims: the packaged .so files are being put in the 'pure' library, not the platform path | 16:18 |
| dims | kgiusti: ack, usually we just create one for our gate break so folks know there's a known failure | 16:19 |
| kgiusti | dims: ok that makes sense - I'll do that. | 16:19 |
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| dims | #topic Ongoing work & Review priorities | 16:20 |
| dims | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-oslo-priorities-tracking | 16:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ongoing work & Review priorities (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:20 | |
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| dims | found a bunch of missing requirements in a few projects, added a tox target to find these, please look at | 16:21 |
| dims | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:pip-missing-reqs,n,z | 16:21 |
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| dims | i'll do the same exercise for adding tox target for bandit this week | 16:21 |
| dims | if anyone wants to help, please let me know | 16:21 |
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| harlowja_still_a | i know the octavia folks want https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164922/ (once i rebase it) | 16:22 |
| harlowja_still_a | if anyone wants to look over that, or ask questions... | 16:22 |
| dims | dhellmann: how can we move this forward? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176333/ (per ihrachyshka) | 16:22 |
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| * dhellmann looks | 16:24 | |
| dhellmann | dims, ihrachyshka: my plan was to get all of the projects to adopt oslo.context, and then remove logging customization from devstack and make the default format in oslo.log useful | 16:24 |
| harlowja_still_a | oh i guess i don't need to rebase https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164922/ (so ya, people look it over, ha) | 16:25 |
| ihrachyshka | dhellmann, what are 'all the projects' and how do we detect those not there yet? | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | dims, ihrachyshka : that particular change though is likely to break existing operators who are relying on the uuid | 16:25 |
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| dhellmann | ihrachyshka: that's a good question -- certainly anything participating in the coordinated release | 16:26 |
| dims | dhellmann: added a line to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-oslo-priorities-tracking - not sure which reviews we have for "get all of the projects to adopt oslo.context" | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | dims: i haven't started with that, yet | 16:26 |
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| dims | dhellmann: ack will leave question marks there for now | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | I'm hoping to get to it soon, when this namespace package work is closer to done | 16:26 |
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| dims | right, so do you need eyes on namespace reviews? which ones are left? | 16:27 |
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| dhellmann | we're getting oslo.db today? | 16:27 |
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| dims | dhellmann: still on the table, will check with haypo before cutting one | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | that leaves config, messaging, serialization, and utils | 16:28 |
| ihrachyshka | dhellmann, well, honestly, I could leave with devstack just not doing overwrite. if it's uuid that we end up with, fine. the main point is that all services should be consistent. I suppose that operators do not rely on devstack, so we can clean it up there maybe? | 16:28 |
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| ihrachyshka | the original problem was about devstack not putting some valuable info in logs (pids of workers), which is included in default format string | 16:28 |
| * harlowja_still_a hopes operators don't rely on devstack :-/ | 16:29 | |
| dhellmann | ihrachyshka: I'm ok with adding variables, I guess, I just want to make sure we can actually get those values. Do we always know the project name, user name, etc? | 16:29 |
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| ihrachyshka | dhellmann, we should. keystone provides it. projects can obviously avoid using them... | 16:29 |
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| dhellmann | ihrachyshka: I think the commit message on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176333/1 confused me into thinking you wanted these to be the default in the logs, but I think you just mean they should always be available and devstack might make them the default | 16:30 |
| bknudson | keystone doesn't always have project name. | 16:30 |
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| ihrachyshka | dhellmann, yeah, but if a project does not override the default format string, then its log format is changed in terms of uuid -> name | 16:31 |
| bknudson | you can do stuff with domain-scoped tokens | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | ihrachyshka: we might want project_name, etc. to default to the uuid if they aren't provided | 16:31 |
| ihrachyshka | there is still an easy way to fall back though | 16:31 |
| bknudson | project names aren't unique, they're only unique within the domain | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | ihrachyshka: devstack should eventually set one format string for all projects using oslo.log and oslo.context, but it can't do that right now because the contexts aren't all the same | 16:31 |
| ihrachyshka | dhellmann, and that's what the patch does. if user_name is not specified, it uses 'user' (which is uuid) | 16:31 |
| bknudson | user names are also only unique within the user's domain | 16:32 |
| ihrachyshka | bknudson, what do you mean - domain? I probably miss things. | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | ihrachyshka: ok, as I said, I think I was confused by the commit message talking about changing default behaviors | 16:32 |
| bknudson | ihrachyshka: domain is a namespace for users, groups, and projects. | 16:32 |
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| dhellmann | bknudson: yeah, I think the goal here is to make devstack log names instead of uuids, so we should be ok as far as uniqueness | 16:32 |
| bknudson | uuids are unique, names aren't | 16:33 |
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| dhellmann | ihrachyshka: you're changing the default for user to be name or uuid. I don't think that's what you should do. Instead, I think you should keep user the uuid and just make it possible to refer to user_name in the log format string. Then devstack and use user_name and the defaults can use uuid. | 16:34 |
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| dhellmann | ihrachyshka: I pointed out the backwards incompatible change in my comment on line 79 | 16:34 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: right, I think names are only going to be useful to devstack users | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | or maybe private cloud users | 16:35 |
| ihrachyshka | dhellmann, ack | 16:36 |
| ihrachyshka | as I said, I'm fine with uuid as long as we get that devstack rewrite of the option killed | 16:36 |
| dhellmann | ihrachyshka: do you have that link handy? | 16:37 |
| ihrachyshka | dhellmann, which one? to devstack rewrite? | 16:38 |
| dims | in the meantime, let me open up the topic | 16:38 |
| dhellmann | ihrachyshka: yes | 16:38 |
| dims | #topic Open discussion | 16:38 |
| dims | Any stuck reviews? or specs? | 16:38 |
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| harlowja_still_a | hmmmm | 16:38 |
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| harlowja_still_a | when is sileht back? | 16:38 |
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| ihrachyshka | dhellmann, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/172508/ | 16:38 |
| harlowja_still_a | be nice to see if https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194880/ is ok with him and all that | 16:38 |
| dims | harlowja_still_a: no, sileht is still on vacay | 16:39 |
| harlowja_still_a | k | 16:39 |
| harlowja_still_a | i think https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194880/ could merge, but really want to double check with him | 16:40 |
| harlowja_still_a | it seems like someone could kick https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194880/ and it would go, (since the dependent merged) | 16:40 |
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| harlowja_still_a | ok it has been kicked :-P | 16:41 |
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| dhellmann | ihrachyshka: maybe we want a new option to oslo.log/oslo.context to replace user_idt_format in the context, and let devstack set that? | 16:41 |
| dhellmann | ihrachyshka: probably in oslo.context | 16:42 |
| dhellmann | well, except that doesn't know about oslo.config at all :-/ | 16:42 |
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| ihrachyshka | dhellmann, meh. sounds like too much of a hassle. I was under impression that those names are unique, but if keystone devs say it's not the case, then I tend to rethink whether we should even try to apply such a change. | 16:43 |
| dhellmann | ok | 16:43 |
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| bknudson | if you put the name in addition to the id that would be fine | 16:43 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: does a devstack user need both? | 16:44 |
| bknudson | I assume this is for usability | 16:44 |
| dhellmann | yes, that's my understanding | 16:44 |
| bknudson | I don't have every user's uuid memorized | 16:44 |
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| dhellmann | oh, I guess we have to pass uuids to some commands, don't we | 16:44 |
| harlowja_still_a | u better get studying bknudson | 16:44 |
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| dims | looks like we are done for today. thanks everyone | 16:46 |
| dims | #endmeeting | 16:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 29 16:46:38 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:46 |
| bknudson | thanks | 16:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-06-29-16.00.html | 16:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-06-29-16.00.txt | 16:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-06-29-16.00.log.html | 16:46 |
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| vipul | sputnik13: ping | 18:00 |
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| sputnik13 | pong | 18:02 |
| sputnik13 | #startmeeting cue | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 29 18:02:27 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sputnik13. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cue)" | 18:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cue' | 18:02 |
| sputnik13 | roll call | 18:02 |
| sputnik13 | 1 o/ | 18:02 |
| dkalleg | 2 o/ | 18:03 |
| abitha | 2 | 18:03 |
| davideagnello | 3 | 18:03 |
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| esmute__ | o/ | 18:03 |
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| sputnik13 | ok we have quorum, I assume vipul is otherwise occupied :) | 18:04 |
| sputnik13 | let's start with action items | 18:04 |
| vipul | o/ | 18:04 |
| vipul | i'll be in an hout | 18:04 |
| vipul | out | 18:04 |
| sputnik13 | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cue/2015/cue.2015-06-22-18.00.html | 18:04 |
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| sputnik13 | #note AI #1 esmute__ and davideagnello to fix the rally gate job and get rally tests running | 18:05 |
| sputnik13 | esmute__ and davideagnello can you give us an update | 18:05 |
| davideagnello | I have made a necessary rally directory and file structure change needed for Rally to run in CI gate | 18:06 |
| esmute__ | davideagnello had a good handle on it so he did the work on this | 18:06 |
| davideagnello | this was checked in | 18:06 |
| sputnik13 | is the rally test running now? | 18:06 |
| davideagnello | there are currently two patches outstanding following up on getting those merged. Sergey created them to resolve getting Devstack installed in prehook before rally tests start running | 18:07 |
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| esmute__ | davideagnello: can you link these patches? | 18:07 |
| davideagnello | I saw the rally test running in CI once with my patch but it was because of a race condition which these patches will resolve: | 18:08 |
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| davideagnello | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195991/ | 18:08 |
| davideagnello | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195992/ | 18:08 |
| sputnik13 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195991/ | 18:08 |
| sputnik13 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195992/ | 18:08 |
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| davideagnello | once these are in, will be testing our rally gate job | 18:09 |
| sputnik13 | ok | 18:09 |
| sputnik13 | can you follow up on this for next week's meeting? | 18:10 |
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| sputnik13 | #action davideagnello to follow up on merge of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195991/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195992/ | 18:10 |
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| sputnik13 | next item... | 18:11 |
| sputnik13 | #note AI #2 vipuls to link Josh's patch with correct bug number | 18:11 |
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| sputnik13 | doh | 18:11 |
| vipul | sputnik13: I may have merged it :P | 18:11 |
| sputnik13 | #info AI #2 vipuls to link Josh's patch with correct bug number | 18:11 |
| vipul | i'll update the bug | 18:11 |
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| sputnik13 | ok | 18:13 |
| sputnik13 | next item... | 18:13 |
| sputnik13 | #info AI #3 sputnik13 to fill in details for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cue/+spec/kafka | 18:13 |
| sputnik13 | right, not done, will work on this week :) | 18:13 |
| sputnik13 | #action sputnik13 to fill in details for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cue/+spec/kafka | 18:13 |
| sputnik13 | kicking the can down the road :) | 18:13 |
| sputnik13 | that's it for actions from last week | 18:14 |
| sputnik13 | I think there's something that's not on the action item list, the tempest gate is not voting yet | 18:14 |
| sputnik13 | esmute__ do you have the patch that makes this voting? | 18:14 |
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| esmute__ | I have put a patch last week to make it votin | 18:14 |
| esmute__ | and run on gate | 18:14 |
| sputnik13 | can you link the patch | 18:14 |
| esmute__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194324/ | 18:14 |
| esmute__ | you need one more +2 | 18:15 |
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| sputnik13 | I guess this should be a new #topic | 18:15 |
| sputnik13 | #topic make tempest gate voting | 18:15 |
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| esmute__ | If i dont get a +2 in the next day or two, ill go and pester them | 18:15 |
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| sputnik13 | #info patch submitted to make tempest gate voting | 18:15 |
| sputnik13 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194324/ | 18:15 |
| sputnik13 | #action esmute__ to follow up with patch and ensure it gets merged | 18:16 |
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| sputnik13 | just so we remember to follow up next week :) | 18:16 |
| sputnik13 | any other topics to discuss before we go on to bugs? | 18:17 |
| sputnik13 | oh, we're official official now | 18:17 |
| sputnik13 | #topic Cue is Openstack!! | 18:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cue is Openstack!! (Meeting topic: cue)" | 18:18 | |
| esmute__ | Woo!. Celebration | 18:18 |
| dkalleg | woo | 18:18 |
| davideagnello | awesome! | 18:19 |
| sputnik13 | #info Cue was accepted by TC as an Openstack project 2015/06/23 and merged 2015/06/25 | 18:19 |
| sputnik13 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191173/ | 18:19 |
| sputnik13 | #celebrate | 18:19 |
| sputnik13 | :-D | 18:19 |
| vipul | w00t | 18:20 |
| sputnik13 | hopefully we see more contributors going forward :) | 18:20 |
| sputnik13 | would be great for the team to be bigger by the next summit | 18:20 |
| vipul | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196268/ | 18:20 |
| sputnik13 | so we can do mid-cycles and whatever else | 18:20 |
| sputnik13 | :) | 18:20 |
| vipul | patch to move our stuff to openstack | 18:20 |
| sputnik13 | yay | 18:20 |
| sputnik13 | what does that mean for outstanding patches? | 18:21 |
| vipul | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Upcoming_Project_Renames | 18:21 |
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| sputnik13 | do patches get moved to the new namespaces? | 18:21 |
| sputnik13 | or do we have to make sure there's no outstanding patches? | 18:22 |
| vipul | I doubt it, we may need to rebase and resubmit | 18:22 |
| sputnik13 | ic | 18:22 |
| vipul | outstanding patches are fine.. there just might be some manual labor needed to move over | 18:22 |
| sputnik13 | ok | 18:22 |
| sputnik13 | good news is we don't have a lot of outstanding patches :) | 18:22 |
| vipul | is that good news :P | 18:22 |
| sputnik13 | yes that means cores are doing their jobs and getting patches merged! | 18:22 |
| vipul | fair enough ;) | 18:23 |
| sputnik13 | that's my story and I'm sticking to it ;) | 18:23 |
| sputnik13 | is the 2x +2 to +wf a general openstack thing or is that at project discretion? | 18:23 |
| vipul | it's followed by most openstack projects.. but no hard rule | 18:24 |
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| vipul | We need to transition to that | 18:24 |
| sputnik13 | ok, in due time | 18:25 |
| sputnik13 | other topics? or are we ready for some bug squashing? :) | 18:25 |
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| sputnik13 | we need to get better at positive confirmation to move on meetings | 18:26 |
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| sputnik13 | hello~ | 18:27 |
| dkalleg | No other topics from me | 18:27 |
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| davideagnello | nope | 18:27 |
| abitha | yes will do that | 18:27 |
| sputnik13 | ok moving on | 18:28 |
| sputnik13 | #topic Bug Squash | 18:28 |
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| davideagnello | new bug: #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cue/+bug/1469823 | 18:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1469823 in Cue "Delete Cluster fails when Cluster contains VM's which have already been deleted" [High,New] | 18:28 |
| sputnik13 | #link http://bit.ly/1MChDwJ | 18:28 |
| sputnik13 | I should just put that in the topic from now on rather than as separate links | 18:29 |
| sputnik13 | meh | 18:29 |
| esmute__ | davideagnello: how is this reproduce? | 18:29 |
| esmute__ | Does it happens everything a cluster is deleted? | 18:29 |
| davideagnello | create a cluster of n nodes with VM capacity of n-1 | 18:29 |
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| davideagnello | or create a cluster, then delete one of the clustered VMs when rabbit check is taking place, this will trigger a rollback | 18:30 |
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| davideagnello | then issue a cluster delete | 18:31 |
| sputnik13 | do we have a node status field? | 18:31 |
| davideagnello | node status or cluster status? | 18:31 |
| sputnik13 | node status | 18:31 |
| esmute__ | so this issue only happen when a rollback is performed | 18:31 |
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| davideagnello | yes | 18:31 |
| sputnik13 | I'm pretty sure there was a node status | 18:31 |
| davideagnello | there is, in the db | 18:31 |
| davideagnello | we are not exposing it though | 18:31 |
| sputnik13 | so the rollback probably should update the status | 18:32 |
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| sputnik13 | it doesn't need to be exposed | 18:32 |
| sputnik13 | if we've previously deleted a VM and its associated resources, and we have a record that mirrors nova status, it should be updated | 18:32 |
| davideagnello | yes, the change of moving the node update ahead now we require to update this | 18:32 |
| sputnik13 | I think it could be argued we shouldn't be caching status at all | 18:33 |
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| sputnik13 | because that's yet another thing that could become out of sync | 18:33 |
| sputnik13 | but as long as we have it it should be kept as updated as possible | 18:33 |
| davideagnello | agreed | 18:33 |
| davideagnello | I think there is two issues here | 18:33 |
| davideagnello | one the node status is not being updated as required | 18:34 |
| davideagnello | two when we are listing interfaces on a specific VM during deletion we are not catching the not found exception which will then fail our delete flow | 18:34 |
| davideagnello | we should be resolving the second one as a higher priority since this breaks cue | 18:35 |
| sputnik13 | if we have node status that says the node is already deleted should we be deleting? | 18:35 |
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| sputnik13 | if we're not doing a delete because the delete already happened the second becomes a non-issue | 18:35 |
| davideagnello | we delete a vm after we get it's intefaces, we would have to re-structure our delete flow | 18:35 |
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| sputnik13 | I don't think this is a High bug, it's Medium at best | 18:37 |
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| sputnik13 | it doesn't result in leaked resources, it doesn't impede any other functionality | 18:37 |
| sputnik13 | not to say it's not something we need to resolve | 18:37 |
| sputnik13 | but it's a matter of does it need to be done immediately | 18:37 |
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| davideagnello | we have bugs that are piling up, I think we should start putting some portion of time to get these resolved | 18:39 |
| sputnik13 | yes, and that needs to be done for critical and high importance bugs | 18:39 |
| sputnik13 | and to some extent medium bugs | 18:39 |
| davideagnello | I would argue this is more of a high importance bug | 18:40 |
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| sputnik13 | anyone else want to weigh in? | 18:40 |
| vipul | reading scrollback | 18:40 |
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| davideagnello | this is directly at the user's interface, as far as the user is concerned one of our basic CRD functions is broken | 18:40 |
| esmute__ | reading.. | 18:40 |
| davideagnello | * the delete | 18:41 |
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| sputnik13 | well, we need to be consistent in application of the definition | 18:41 |
| sputnik13 | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Bugs | 18:41 |
| sputnik13 | High is "Data corruption / complete failure affecting most users, with workaround" | 18:41 |
| sputnik13 | and "Failure of a significant feature, no workaround" | 18:41 |
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| sputnik13 | that's probably more an "or" | 18:41 |
| sputnik13 | the delete doesn't work, but the cluster does not take up any resources | 18:42 |
| sputnik13 | all underlying resources are cleaned | 18:42 |
| esmute__ | the bug should be high if there is no workaround | 18:42 |
| sputnik13 | there is no data corruption | 18:42 |
| davideagnello | yes but the user wouldn't be aware of that give our api alone | 18:42 |
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| davideagnello | there is some corruption in the DB records | 18:43 |
| esmute__ | why not fixing this by catching the exception? | 18:43 |
| sputnik13 | that's not a corruption | 18:43 |
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| davideagnello | already have that fixed, but we are looking at a more inclusive solution | 18:43 |
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| sputnik13 | and I don't think it constitutes "data" | 18:43 |
| sputnik13 | the state is out of sync | 18:43 |
| davideagnello | ok | 18:44 |
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| sputnik13 | it's a bit of an academic debate :) | 18:44 |
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| sputnik13 | currently we have no quota enforcement for clusters, so this doesn't prevent a user from creating and using brokers | 18:45 |
| esmute__ | davideagnello: do you have a patch so we can see the fix you are proposing? | 18:46 |
| davideagnello | esmute__: this resolved the underlying issue: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196332/ | 18:46 |
| davideagnello | but we don't want the list interface task to always cover the exception | 18:46 |
| vipul | sorry i've been in and out.. | 18:49 |
| sputnik13 | :) | 18:49 |
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| vipul | why don't we discuss this offline in #openstack-cue | 18:49 |
| sputnik13 | ok, let's table this one | 18:49 |
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| davideagnello | ok | 18:50 |
| sputnik13 | there's a critical bug | 18:50 |
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| sputnik13 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/cue/+bug/1466609 | 18:50 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1466609 in Cue "user supplied network is not validated before attaching" [Critical,New] | 18:50 |
| sputnik13 | does this look critical or should it be reclassified? | 18:50 |
| davideagnello | is this critical because of the security implication? | 18:51 |
| vipul | So if a user were to supply a network-id that they do not own.. would they have a way to get to the broker | 18:51 |
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| sputnik13 | yes, the reason it's critical is because of the security implication | 18:51 |
| davideagnello | ok | 18:51 |
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| sputnik13 | but it's currently not a security issue because a user who attaches to someone else's network also can't access it themselves | 18:51 |
| sputnik13 | possibly | 18:51 |
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| vipul | this wouldn't be an issue until we allow multiple networks to be supplied | 18:52 |
| sputnik13 | vipul: no currently they wouldn't be able to get to the broker | 18:52 |
| vipul | which we do not do today | 18:52 |
| sputnik13 | correct | 18:52 |
| sputnik13 | reclassify? | 18:52 |
| vipul | i would say that's the reason to deprioritze | 18:52 |
| esmute__ | so if i pass in a network that doesnt belong to me, cue will still attach it no? | 18:52 |
| sputnik13 | ok, I think medium is fine in that light | 18:52 |
| vipul | maybe put a note saying this becomes high pri when we implmeent multi nic | 18:52 |
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| vipul | esmute__: yes. that's the bug | 18:53 |
| esmute__ | that also should apply for single network | 18:53 |
| esmute__ | not just multiple | 18:53 |
| sputnik13 | esmute__: right, and they woudln't be able to access the broker | 18:53 |
| sputnik13 | so given they won't be able to access it does break their ability to use the broker | 18:53 |
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| vipul | they should know better :P | 18:53 |
| sputnik13 | maybe that justifies prioritizing it as high? | 18:54 |
| sputnik13 | high or medium | 18:54 |
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| sputnik13 | ? | 18:54 |
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| esmute__ | i think sputnik13 got a point.. it shouldnt be high since we dont support multiple networks | 18:54 |
| vipul | I don't think it's as simple as saying does the user own the network.. what if it's a shared network, what if the user is the admin of multiple tenants | 18:55 |
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| sputnik13 | that gets messy fast | 18:55 |
| davideagnello | is this even something we should verify more than saying the id is a network id? isn't it up to the user to provide the correct network id? | 18:56 |
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| sputnik13 | davideagnello that's fine if the only ones they can harm is themselves | 18:56 |
| vipul | I think we do want to make sure the user can't shoot themselves in the foot.. that's a better UX.. but there are some open questions on how we would verify | 18:56 |
| vipul | this could be used as a DOS to some poor tenant | 18:56 |
| esmute__ | vipul: if the user is an admin of multiple tenants, then he should be able to use these networks | 18:57 |
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| vipul | whose network id can be misused, and cue ends up eating up all his avaialble ports | 18:57 |
| sputnik13 | vipul: well it would use neutron port quota on the cue tenant I think, not on the tenant that owns the network | 18:57 |
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| sputnik13 | oh wait | 18:57 |
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| sputnik13 | it takes up an IP | 18:57 |
| vipul | sputnik13: that would be good to verify | 18:57 |
| vipul | right that's another issue.. | 18:58 |
| sputnik13 | so it could become a DOS | 18:58 |
| sputnik13 | regardless of quotas | 18:58 |
| vipul | i think High is probably right | 18:58 |
| vipul | need to think about the impl | 18:58 |
| sputnik13 | so one of the purposes of discussing these bugs during the meeting is to verify classification then change status on anything that's "New" | 18:58 |
| sputnik13 | we're agreeing this is something we will fix yes? | 18:59 |
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| vipul | the DOS possibility makes it a high | 18:59 |
| sputnik13 | does that mean it should be "Confirmed" or "Triaged"? | 18:59 |
| vipul | we should fix this | 18:59 |
| sputnik13 | vipul: I agree | 18:59 |
| sputnik13 | any dissent? | 19:00 |
| sputnik13 | we have 1 minute | 19:00 |
| esmute__ | +1 | 19:00 |
| vipul | your clock is slow | 19:00 |
| sputnik13 | blah | 19:00 |
| sputnik13 | your clock is fast | 19:00 |
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| sputnik13 | :-P | 19:00 |
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| sputnik13 | ok will reclassify to High | 19:00 |
| sputnik13 | and it's Triaged | 19:00 |
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| sputnik13 | any last things before we end the meeting? | 19:01 |
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| sputnik13 | going once | 19:01 |
| sputnik13 | going twice | 19:01 |
| sputnik13 | #endmeeting | 19:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 29 19:01:33 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cue/2015/cue.2015-06-29-18.02.html | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cue/2015/cue.2015-06-29-18.02.txt | 19:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cue/2015/cue.2015-06-29-18.02.log.html | 19:01 |
| vipul | thx | 19:01 |
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| catherineD | #startmeeting refstack | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 29 19:02:00 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is catherineD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 19:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 19:02 |
| sslypushenko__ | o/ | 19:02 |
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| Rockyg | o/ | 19:02 |
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| catherineD | Roll call | 19:02 |
| davidlenwell | o/ | 19:02 |
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| catherineD | hello every one .. Chris won't be able to make today's meeting .. | 19:03 |
| pvaneck | o/ | 19:03 |
| catherineD | please see agenda #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-15-06-29 | 19:03 |
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| catherineD | #topic Relocate RefStack Project | 19:03 |
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| sslypushenko__ | With Rob's vote, I think Infra wins) | 19:04 |
| catherineD | We were tied during last week's vote ... but I think zehecle: broke the tie | 19:04 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko__: yes | 19:04 |
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| davidlenwell | did rob vote? | 19:05 |
| catherineD | davidlenwell: do you know what is the next step | 19:05 |
| sslypushenko__ | Actually, I think there is no big real difference. So let it be "Infra" | 19:05 |
| catherineD | not officially by he sent me a note and I forward to everyine ... | 19:06 |
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| catherineD | davidlenwell: I sent to your gmail ... could you check? | 19:06 |
| davidlenwell | making the move is easy .. | 19:06 |
| zehicle | o/ | 19:06 |
| davidlenwell | I have no email from you catherineD | 19:07 |
| catherineD | sorry my typo is really bad today .. | 19:07 |
| davidlenwell | The issue is that I have a full plate until tuesday when I go on vacation until monday | 19:07 |
| * zehicle confirms +1 on Infra | 19:07 | |
| davidlenwell | So I can take care of getting us moved into infra.. but It will have to be next week | 19:07 |
| catherineD | zehicle: thx for your vote ... | 19:08 |
| Rockyg | That should be fine. I might be able to start the ball rolling. I'm doing a couple of other repos right now. | 19:08 |
| catherineD | #agreed Moving Refstack under Infra's namespace | 19:08 |
| krotscheck | o/ | 19:09 |
| catherineD | #action davidlenwell: to take care of the next steps to move Refstack into Infra | 19:09 |
| davidlenwell | cool .. like I said .. when I get back next week I'll handle it | 19:10 |
| catherineD | davidlenwell: thx | 19:10 |
| catherineD | #topic Infra Hosting | 19:10 |
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| davidlenwell | our spec was merged.. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188207/ | 19:10 |
| davidlenwell | from what I understand we are waiting on a review from jeblair on this .. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182437/ | 19:11 |
| catherineD | davidlenwell: hogepodge: Good job! Thank you! | 19:11 |
| catherineD | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188207/ merged !!! | 19:12 |
| catherineD | Wating for jeblair's +2 on #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188207/ | 19:12 |
| catherineD | anything else to discuss on this topic? | 19:13 |
| Rockyg | catherineD: got the last review number wrong... | 19:13 |
| davidlenwell | yeah .. those last two links are the same | 19:13 |
| catherineD | Rockyg: thx | 19:13 |
| catherineD | Wating for jeblair's +2 on #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182437/ | 19:14 |
| catherineD | #topic Set up eavesdrop for refstack channel | 19:15 |
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| catherineD | This is Chris' action item ... will check with him next week ... | 19:15 |
| catherineD | #action Check with hogepodge: on status next week | 19:16 |
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| catherineD | #topic OpenStackID integration | 19:17 |
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| catherineD | sslypushenko__: I guess https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176335/ need bebase | 19:18 |
| sslypushenko__ | catherineD I got email from you and I tried to reproduce that error but failed ( | 19:18 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko__: thx ... we can discuss more on #refstack .. | 19:19 |
| sslypushenko__ | I will send you email with details | 19:19 |
| sslypushenko__ | agreed | 19:19 |
| sslypushenko__ | Patch rebased | 19:20 |
| catherineD | We just need to resolve some of the issues ... but I have no doubt that we will merge it .... let's disucss some of the topics related to it ... | 19:21 |
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| sslypushenko__ | pvaneck Did you try this patch? | 19:21 |
| davidlenwell | its just a matter of gettings the silly tests to pass .. | 19:21 |
| pvaneck | i tried it with the run-in-docker script, but had to modify the osid_endpoint in the refstack.conf.tmpl | 19:22 |
| pvaneck | it worked okay with my local openstackid | 19:22 |
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| sslypushenko__ | Good news) | 19:22 |
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| sslypushenko__ | I will think how to provide osid_endpoint little bit accurate | 19:23 |
| catherineD | good news indeed .... let me compare my env with pvaneck:'s | 19:23 |
| sslypushenko__ | oh! This might help | 19:24 |
| catherineD | Currently, we identify a cloud by using Keystone UUID as its cpid (cloud provider id) ... | 19:24 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko__: pvaneck: let me know if you are ready to discuss next topic cpid ... | 19:25 |
| sslypushenko__ | I'm ready) | 19:25 |
| catherineD | thx | 19:25 |
| catherineD | we need to have admin credential to fecth keystone UUID ... | 19:26 |
| sslypushenko__ | But don't have solution) | 19:26 |
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| sslypushenko__ | Without admin creds keystone api is really small | 19:27 |
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| catherineD | zehicle: davidlenwell: Rockyg: that means that Refstack will always require admin credential .. not for test ... but for fetching cloud id | 19:27 |
| davidlenwell | to clarify refstack-client will need admin creds | 19:28 |
| davidlenwell | which we decided early on was fine | 19:28 |
| zehicle | yy, that's a reality we have to accept | 19:28 |
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| davidlenwell | the refstack api / database does not store any creds to clouds | 19:28 |
| zehicle | would be nice for it to be addressed over time so that end users could submit | 19:28 |
| sslypushenko__ | It is fine for now. But in future it will be not fine, I think | 19:29 |
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| davidlenwell | we have a lot of work to do with q/a before that can be a reality | 19:29 |
| catherineD | This means that Refstack will always need to be tested on-premise .. we will not be able to graduate to have a centralized test | 19:29 |
| davidlenwell | I'm not saying we shouldn't do it .. im just saying that this is not new information | 19:29 |
| Rockyg | +1 | 19:29 |
| davidlenwell | centralized testing would be nice .. but I don't think its realistic | 19:30 |
| davidlenwell | how can you test admin api's from outside the admin network.. you just can't .. there are more problems here than just creds | 19:30 |
| davidlenwell | logistically the test needs to be ran inside an enviornment | 19:31 |
| Rockyg | amen to that | 19:31 |
| davidlenwell | we can revist tcup as a solution | 19:31 |
| catherineD | So I take that we all agree that we will consider this topic but will defer it to later | 19:31 |
| davidlenwell | but I don't think trust is really a problem here | 19:31 |
| sslypushenko__ | I don't think that getting cpid with refstack-client is really necessary | 19:31 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko__: how would we identify a cloud? | 19:32 |
| davidlenwell | with signed results it isn't as nescesary depending on what you plan on doing with the data | 19:32 |
| sslypushenko__ | User can specify it | 19:32 |
| davidlenwell | yeah | 19:32 |
| davidlenwell | that works too | 19:32 |
| davidlenwell | good thinking sslypushenko__ | 19:32 |
| catherineD | so user will pass in keystone uuid? | 19:32 |
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| davidlenwell | use "can" | 19:33 |
| sslypushenko__ | Some thing like name, will be good enought | 19:33 |
| davidlenwell | but the refstack client needs admin creds anyways .. so I don't understand the point of this discussion | 19:33 |
| sslypushenko__ | or something more unique | 19:33 |
| davidlenwell | okay.. I have to run now.. sorry gang.. hit me up in #refstack if anyone wants to chat about this further | 19:33 |
| sslypushenko__ | davidlenwell q/a are moving fast) | 19:34 |
| catherineD | davidlenwell: with the latest change using yaml file ... I believe a lot of the test results that Chris received were collected without admin credential .. we can confirm with Chris on that ... | 19:35 |
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| catherineD | so do we agree to use cpid for now or we decide that all data upload will be signed and user needs to pass in cloud ID (name or UUID) | 19:36 |
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| sslypushenko__ | cpid for now is ok | 19:37 |
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| catherineD | sslypushenko__: +1 | 19:37 |
| sslypushenko__ | if something will change we will adjust to changes easly | 19:37 |
| pvaneck | yea, that's fine for now | 19:38 |
| catherineD | Rockyg: zehicle: your thoughts? | 19:38 |
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| Rockyg | agreed. We can "enhance" later | 19:39 |
| zehicle | sorry - have to catch up | 19:39 |
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| zehicle | my understanding is catherineD is right - if you know the CPID then you have rights for that CPID | 19:41 |
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| zehicle | at some point, we'll have to be able to cluster them into user accounts | 19:41 |
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| catherineD | #agreed Using Keystone UUID as cpid for now. Thus refstack-client still require admin credential. | 19:41 |
| catherineD | #agreed Revisit the CPID tonpic in the next cycle | 19:42 |
| zehicle | is there a refstack mid-cycle planned? | 19:42 |
| catherineD | not yet .. but that is one of today's topic ... | 19:43 |
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| catherineD | let's continue on the user authentication topic ... | 19:44 |
| zehicle | kk, thanks | 19:44 |
| catherineD | Currently, on refstack.net, the results are displayed anonymously .. once user can log in with their own ID .. we need to add a page that displayed their own data ... | 19:45 |
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| sslypushenko__ | sure, I'm working on that | 19:45 |
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| catherineD | great ... thx sslypushenko__: | 19:46 |
| sslypushenko__ | I'm working on endpoint for updating user profile. It will allow to upload user pubkey | 19:47 |
| sslypushenko__ | So after that we can add filter to UI for user's own tests | 19:47 |
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| catherineD | #action sslypushenko__: working on user;s own Refstack test result pages | 19:49 |
| pvaneck | so to associate data with accounts, all youd have to do is use the --sign arg in refstack-client? | 19:50 |
| sslypushenko__ | yeap | 19:50 |
| catherineD | we have 10 mins ... let's just discuss the 2 items in the Open Discussion ... that means we skip topic 5, 6, 7 for now? | 19:50 |
| catherineD | #topic Open discussion | 19:51 |
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| catherineD | Do we need a Refstack mid-cycle f2f? | 19:51 |
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| sslypushenko__ | I think, uit would be helpful | 19:52 |
| pvaneck | weren't you at least planning on meeting with Rocky and David in the bay? | 19:52 |
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| Rockyg | yep. but I can't remember for what | 19:53 |
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| catherineD | Rockyg: I think we were to meet for deciding where to relocate Refstack ... but we have made our decision today .. | 19:54 |
| catherineD | I am thinking of a f2f to discuss action items #5 in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack_f2f_may_2015 | 19:54 |
| Rockyg | Hmm. I thought it was to write something??? | 19:54 |
| pvaneck | lol would have to go back and check logs | 19:55 |
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| catherineD | I will check the log but I think it is for relocation of Refstack ... | 19:56 |
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| pvaneck | it's okay. We can still schedule another f2f if need be for other items | 19:56 |
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| catherineD | let discuss f2f next week ... | 19:56 |
| catherineD | #action Discuss midcycle f2f meeting next week | 19:57 |
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| catherineD | 3 mins for next dicussion : Do we want to submit a speaker session for Tokyo summit? | 19:57 |
| pvaneck | do you have any topics youd wish to talk about? | 19:58 |
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| pvaneck | deadline i think is the 15th of July | 19:59 |
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| catherineD | I am thinking of we should have a session to discuss the new features added to refstack and refstack-client since Kilo cycle | 19:59 |
| Rockyg | ++ | 20:00 |
| catherineD | we need to end meeting | 20:00 |
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| catherineD | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 29 20:00:25 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-06-29-19.02.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-06-29-19.02.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-06-29-19.02.log.html | 20:00 |
| catherineD | let's continue at #refstack | 20:00 |
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| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 29 20:00:49 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:01 |
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| rellerreller_ | o/ | 20:01 |
| jaosorior | o/ | 20:01 |
| kfarr | o/ | 20:01 |
| hockeynut | o/ | 20:01 |
| silos | o/ | 20:01 |
| elmiko | hi | 20:01 |
| arunkant | o/ | 20:01 |
| redrobot | As usual the meeting agenda can be found here: | 20:01 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican | 20:01 |
| dave-mccowan | o/ | 20:01 |
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| redrobot | alright, let's get the meeting started | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | #topic Action Items from last meeting | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-06-22-19.59.html | 20:03 |
| redrobot | The only action item was for me to add a liberty series to Castellan | 20:03 |
| redrobot | which can be found here: | 20:04 |
| redrobot | #link https://launchpad.net/castellan/liberty | 20:04 |
| elmiko | nice | 20:04 |
| redrobot | I just renamed the previous series, so a lot of stuff should look the same | 20:04 |
| redrobot | This should help with adoption in Liberty by other services | 20:04 |
| redrobot | as we will guarantee this as a stable branch with security fixes | 20:05 |
| elmiko | i'm very curious on the state of ManagedObjects in castellan, | 20:05 |
| kfarr | Thanks redrobot! | 20:05 |
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| elmiko | as this is really holding up the adoption of the spec in sahara. i'm going to be talking with rellerreller tomorrow about it | 20:06 |
| redrobot | elmiko I can add it as an agenda item | 20:06 |
| kfarr | elmiko, There's an initial patch for ManagedObjects up, but first we need to get the Barbican wrapper into Castellan | 20:06 |
| redrobot | or we can talk about it now ;) | 20:06 |
| elmiko | kfarr: ah, cool. i had not seen that yet | 20:06 |
| redrobot | #topic Castellan | 20:07 |
| elmiko | redrobot: i'm ok to wait, i should probably read the review and talk with reller | 20:07 |
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| kfarr | Sorry, redrobot, I don't mean to derail the topcs | 20:07 |
| rellerreller_ | elmiko yes, our plan was to integrate barbican first and then move to MOs | 20:07 |
| elmiko | or now =) | 20:07 |
| redrobot | #info ManagedObjects are being blocked by the Barbican patch to Castellan. More reviewers needed. | 20:07 |
| rellerreller_ | I'm ok with talking now if people want to do that. | 20:07 |
| elmiko | rellerreller_: ok cool. you know i'm just way eager to get going with it ;) | 20:07 |
| rellerreller_ | elmiko you and me both. | 20:08 |
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| rellerreller_ | We are always looking for helpers! | 20:08 |
| elmiko | i'm working on the config bp =) | 20:08 |
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| rellerreller_ | That is one thing that has concerned us with the adoption of castellan is that we are the bottle neck. By the time we finish the changes to MOs and such there is not much time left. | 20:09 |
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| elmiko | cool, i appreciate all the hard work. i'll add the reviews to my queue. | 20:09 |
| rellerreller_ | I do not foresee a lot of adoption with Castellan in this release because of that :( | 20:09 |
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| redrobot | #help more contributions to Castellan would be appreciated | 20:10 |
| redrobot | any other questions/comments for Castellan? | 20:11 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:12 |
| redrobot | #topic py26 testing for python-barbicanclient | 20:12 |
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| rellerreller_ | I'll be around at 10 ET tomorrow in case more questions come up | 20:12 |
| redrobot | jaosorior I believe you added this topic? | 20:12 |
| jaosorior | yup | 20:12 |
| jaosorior | quickie, but still wandering that | 20:12 |
| jaosorior | thought at some point there was a decision to stop supporting py26# | 20:12 |
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| redrobot | IIRC, py26 was deprecated for Services only | 20:13 |
| jaosorior | did I imagine that or is that the case? | 20:13 |
| jaosorior | aah | 20:13 |
| jaosorior | I see | 20:13 |
| hockeynut | was that server side only? | 20:13 |
| redrobot | yep I think so | 20:13 |
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| jaosorior | who can we ask about that? | 20:13 |
| redrobot | usually, when there's a deprecation, the infra team sends patches to the projects to remove the gates | 20:13 |
| jaosorior | I see | 20:13 |
| * redrobot does a quick mailing list search to find info | 20:14 | |
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| redrobot | looks like there was a thread earlier this month | 20:15 |
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| redrobot | where Murano was asking about 2.6 support in their client | 20:15 |
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| redrobot | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/065443.html | 20:15 |
| redrobot | the rest of the thread is people chiming in that client libs should keep python 2.6 support | 20:15 |
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| jaosorior | at least keystoneclient still has a py26 gate | 20:16 |
| jaosorior | though ceilometerclient doesn't | 20:16 |
| jaosorior | but anyway, just wanted to make sure | 20:16 |
| redrobot | I think Castellan also has a py26 gate | 20:16 |
| jaosorior | py26 annoys me, that's all :P | 20:16 |
| redrobot | #info we'll continue testing client libs against 2.6 to annoy jaosorior | 20:16 |
| jaosorior | yay | 20:16 |
| hockeynut | <snicker> | 20:17 |
| redrobot | hehe | 20:17 |
| redrobot | moving on | 20:17 |
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| redrobot | #topic Promoting DogTag gate to voting | 20:18 |
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| jaosorior | that topic is also by me | 20:18 |
| jaosorior | So, the dogtag gates seems to be working, and actually doing it's job :D | 20:18 |
| redrobot | \o/ | 20:19 |
| elmiko | nice | 20:19 |
| jaosorior | so I thought about asking if you guys think it's time to set it as voting | 20:19 |
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| chellygel | will we be setting all plugin gate jobs to voting in the future? | 20:19 |
| hockeynut | a slightly related variation on this - should we fire up a kmip gate as well (which eventually would be voting too?) | 20:19 |
| chellygel | should the be created? | 20:19 |
| chellygel | hockeynut, knows whats up :P | 20:19 |
| hockeynut | :-D | 20:20 |
| hockeynut | no worries, I speak fluent Chelsea | 20:20 |
| jaosorior | hockeunut: is there such a thing as a kmip gate yet? that would be really awesome! | 20:20 |
| hockeynut | jaosorior not yet, but there is a CR showing issues with tests that fail because of differences w/kmip | 20:20 |
| rellerreller_ | So good news is that I was able to get functional tests working with KMIP, except for four of them | 20:20 |
| hockeynut | ^ that | 20:20 |
| redrobot | I had to think about this for a bit. | 20:20 |
| rellerreller_ | I have an issue with finding a KMIP device that supports PKCS#8 and opaque data objects. | 20:21 |
| jaosorior | rellerreller: You could submit a CR checking if kmip is being used and skipping those tests meanwhile | 20:21 |
| rellerreller_ | jaosorior I was thinking the same thing | 20:21 |
| hockeynut | rellerreller_ is there a "simulator" or does it require a real piece of HW? | 20:21 |
| jaosorior | I think that's the way to go | 20:21 |
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| redrobot | +1 to KMIP gate | 20:21 |
| jaosorior | it's better to test something, even if some are missing | 20:21 |
| redrobot | -1 to DogTag voting for now | 20:21 |
| rellerreller_ | The downside of the KMIP tests is that it requires having username and password to access device, or possibly other sensitive data like private key | 20:22 |
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| jaosorior | redrobot: Alright, I'll bring the topic in a couple of weeks then | 20:22 |
| rellerreller_ | hockeynut right now it requires hw | 20:22 |
| redrobot | jaosorior the only reason I'm -1 right now is because the gate fails in stable/kilo | 20:22 |
| hockeynut | dang | 20:22 |
| redrobot | as seen in | 20:22 |
| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192339/ | 20:22 |
| jaosorior | redrobot: It will fail in stable/kilo cause there needs to be some backported patches | 20:22 |
| rellerreller_ | I do not know of a software KMIP server. We are working to write one, but it will be a long time from now. | 20:22 |
| jaosorior | aaaand I was supposed to file a bug report | 20:22 |
| jaosorior | can you set an action point for me to file a bug report for us to be able to backport those patches? | 20:23 |
| hockeynut | rellerreller_ "long time" = before midcycle, right ;-) | 20:23 |
| redrobot | jaosorior as soon as we backport the fixes into stable/kilo I will be +2 to make the gate voting. | 20:23 |
| redrobot | #action jaosorior to backport the DogTag gate fixes into stable/kilo | 20:23 |
| rellerreller_ | hockeynut long time means at least a year from now | 20:23 |
| hockeynut | thats what I figured | 20:23 |
| hockeynut | optimism-- | 20:24 |
| rellerreller_ | Now instead of an official gate check we could add a voting service | 20:24 |
| jaosorior | could a third party CI gate help in this case? | 20:24 |
| rellerreller_ | Like with Cinder and Nova that have plugins from different vendors. You can listen for patches and then vote on the patch. | 20:25 |
| redrobot | we had started going down that path with HP folks | 20:25 |
| redrobot | they have a pair of Attallah HSMs for that purpose | 20:25 |
| jaosorior | rellerreller_: I think this is what you're talking about http://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/third_party.html | 20:25 |
| rellerreller_ | That way we can setup this on our site and keep all of passwords and private keys private | 20:25 |
| redrobot | but it seems to have stalled... last I heard the HSMs were in the process of being racked in the HP cloud. | 20:25 |
| rellerreller_ | jaosorior yes | 20:26 |
| jaosorior | rellerreller_ I think that's the way to go | 20:26 |
| rellerreller_ | I would love to learn how to do this if anyone has some spare time. | 20:26 |
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| redrobot | rellerreller_ jaosorior +1 | 20:26 |
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| kfarr | I've gotta run to a class, but I really wish I could stay for the rest of this discussion | 20:27 |
| rellerreller_ | I tried learning this before and spent a few hours. At that point it was more complicated than a simple 8 hour job and had to abort. | 20:27 |
| redrobot | rellerreller_ it involves setting up a few systems in your own cloud... like zuul and and others | 20:27 |
| redrobot | kfarr have fun in class! | 20:27 |
| redrobot | rellerreller_ yeah, definitely not a simple task. | 20:27 |
| jaosorior | sounds like a task for the mid-cycle | 20:27 |
| rellerreller_ | redrobot Ya, it was not as easy as I was hoping for. | 20:27 |
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| rellerreller_ | Our other issue is performance. Having a real device in place can make the tests last 10-20 minutes. | 20:28 |
| redrobot | cool, let's aim for hashing this out more for the mid-cycle. In the mean time I'll ping Rob Clark about the HP HSMs that we were going to use for this. | 20:28 |
| rellerreller_ | I'm not sure what kind of punishment we can put on these devices. | 20:28 |
| redrobot | rellerreller_ a lot less than advertised, we've found :( | 20:28 |
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| rellerreller_ | redrobot no bueno :( | 20:29 |
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| redrobot | anything else on DogTag/KMIP gates? | 20:30 |
| jaosorior | redrobot: Nothing else on my side | 20:30 |
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| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:30 |
| redrobot | #topic Mid-Cycle Sprint topics | 20:30 |
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| redrobot | the last discussion reminded me that we started an etherpad to start tracking mid-cycle sprint topics | 20:31 |
| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-liberty-midcycle | 20:31 |
| redrobot | Feel free to add topics to it | 20:31 |
| hockeynut | and that first item is basically what we just talked about (kmip) | 20:31 |
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| redrobot | also for reference, we have a M-cycle etherpad with topics we punted at the last summit: | 20:32 |
| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-m-design-sessions | 20:32 |
| rellerreller_ | I was not expecting much resistance on that one :) | 20:32 |
| redrobot | That's all I had on this topic. | 20:33 |
| redrobot | any questions/comments? | 20:34 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:35 |
| redrobot | #topic Barbican Liberty-1 | 20:35 |
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| redrobot | In case you missed it, the liberty-1 milestone release went out last week | 20:35 |
| redrobot | #link https://launchpad.net/barbican/liberty/liberty-1 | 20:35 |
| redrobot | also we got to be included in the general announcement alongside all the cool kids :D | 20:35 |
| redrobot | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-announce/2015-June/000391.html | 20:36 |
| redrobot | almost makes me feel like we're part of openstack for reals | 20:36 |
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| elmiko | awesome! | 20:37 |
| hockeynut | w00t w00t | 20:37 |
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| redrobot | something to note is that our versioning scheme was changed | 20:37 |
| redrobot | liberty-1 was versioned 1.0.0.0b1 | 20:38 |
| rellerreller_ | * has to leave now | 20:38 |
| redrobot | which means that the final liberty release will be versioned 1.0.0.0 | 20:38 |
| redrobot | shouldn't affect anyone except packagers | 20:39 |
| redrobot | any questions/comments about the release? | 20:40 |
| chellygel | will there be a party? | 20:41 |
| chellygel | :P | 20:41 |
| redrobot | chellygel sure... we can set aside the last 5 minutes of this meeting to party.... you bring the desk whiskey! :D | 20:41 |
| elmiko | mmm desk whiskey... | 20:41 |
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| hockeynut | have some leftovers for tomorrow pls | 20:42 |
| chellygel | i miss my desk whiskey ;~; stupid corporate jobs haha | 20:42 |
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| redrobot | chellygel they've never said we can't drink... we just can't keep working after we drink :-P | 20:42 |
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| redrobot | alrighty guys, that's all I have for now. | 20:43 |
| elmiko | lol | 20:43 |
| redrobot | #topic Open Discussion and/or Review Requests | 20:43 |
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| dave-mccowan | I have two open: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171023/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181291/ | 20:43 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan added to queue | 20:44 |
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| redrobot | Also we need spec reviews | 20:45 |
| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/barbican-specs,n,z | 20:45 |
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| redrobot | it would be cool to land these before liberty-2 | 20:45 |
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| redrobot | alrighty guys, looks like there's nothing else to talk about today. | 20:49 |
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| redrobot | thanks for coming, and happy reviewing! :D | 20:49 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 29 20:49:40 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-06-29-20.00.html | 20:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-06-29-20.00.txt | 20:49 |
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