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| tmorin | #startmeeting bgpvpn | 15:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 30 15:03:38 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmorin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'bgpvpn' | 15:03 |
| tmorin | hi everyone | 15:03 |
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| tmorin | hi pcarver | 15:04 |
| tmorin | hi vikram_ | 15:04 |
| pcarver | hi | 15:04 |
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| vikram_ | hi tmorin | 15:04 |
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| tmorin | hi pc_m | 15:05 |
| pc_m | hi | 15:05 |
| tmorin | I think that matrohon can't come, so we won't wait for him | 15:06 |
| tmorin | I guess we can start | 15:06 |
| tmorin | #topic API | 15:07 |
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| tmorin | the discussion on the API seems to come to a conclusion | 15:07 |
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| tmorin | which I'm very happy about | 15:07 |
| tmorin | the only point that stands out is missing diagrams (relevantly asked by pc_m and others) | 15:07 |
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| tmorin | let's go through work items | 15:08 |
| tmorin | unless anyone has any comment | 15:09 |
| tmorin | #topic work items | 15:09 |
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| tmorin | changes on unit tests for db have been merged | 15:09 |
| tmorin | along with minor updates related to the uuidtools package moving from neutron to oslo_utils | 15:09 |
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| tmorin | this is a starting point, they will need to be updated once we incorporate changes to match the current state of API specs | 15:10 |
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| tmorin | we also had a change submitted to add RD specification to the neutronclient extension | 15:11 |
| tmorin | thanks Ramanjaneya | 15:11 |
| tmorin | one of your coleagues vikram_ I'm guessing | 15:11 |
| vikram_ | +1 | 15:11 |
| vikram_ | https://review.openstack.org/195505 | 15:11 |
| tmorin | #link https://review.openstack.org/195505 | 15:11 |
| tmorin | yes | 15:11 |
| tmorin | we expect to merge this as soon as the minor improvements are made | 15:11 |
| vikram_ | thanks tmorin | 15:12 |
| tmorin | I've had some discussion with petr, who was hoping to submit his server work on RD before taking some time offline | 15:12 |
| tmorin | did not happen, maybe next week | 15:12 |
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| tmorin | Mathieu is planning to work on adapting the API to the change we made on how to associate with networks and routers | 15:13 |
| tmorin | maybe this week | 15:14 |
| tmorin | that's it for what i'm aware of | 15:14 |
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| tmorin | as far as I know there aren't any other things to discuss today | 15:15 |
| tmorin | short meeting :) | 15:16 |
| vikram_ | :) | 15:16 |
| tmorin | ok | 15:16 |
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| tmorin | then let's close | 15:17 |
| tmorin | #endmeeting | 15:17 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 30 15:17:31 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:17 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2015/bgpvpn.2015-06-30-15.03.html | 15:17 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2015/bgpvpn.2015-06-30-15.03.txt | 15:17 |
| tmorin | bye everyone ! | 15:17 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2015/bgpvpn.2015-06-30-15.03.log.html | 15:17 |
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| sergmelikyan | #startmeeting murano | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 30 17:00:07 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sergmelikyan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:00 |
| sergmelikyan | Hi folks! | 17:00 |
| aderyugin | Hi! | 17:00 |
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| sergmelikyan | I expect that today many people are not going to attend due to various reasons, and our agenda is empty for today | 17:00 |
| sergmelikyan | o/ | 17:01 |
| freerunner | o/ | 17:01 |
| ruhe | \o/ | 17:01 |
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| akuznetsova | hi | 17:01 |
| ativelkov | o/ | 17:02 |
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| sergmelikyan | Folks, any topics that you would like to discuss for today? | 17:02 |
| Nikolay_St | \o/ | 17:03 |
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| sergmelikyan | Then I propose to skip todays meeting, any objections? | 17:04 |
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| ruhe | no objections from my side | 17:06 |
| Nikolay_St | nope | 17:06 |
| ativelkov | agree | 17:06 |
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| sergmelikyan | #endmeeting | 17:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:07 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 30 17:07:18 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:07 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-06-30-17.00.html | 17:07 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-06-30-17.00.txt | 17:07 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-06-30-17.00.log.html | 17:07 |
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| kzaitsev_ip | Have I typed everything right or is the meeting canceled? :) | 17:18 |
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| kzaitsev_ws | oh now I get it =) everyone skipped =) | 17:41 |
| ativelkov | kzaitsev_ws: yet, no attendence, no agenda => no meeting | 17:41 |
| ativelkov | yes* | 17:41 |
| kzaitsev_ws | ativelkov: =) ok then =) | 17:41 |
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| kzaitsev_ws | I was afraid my timezone settings were off =) and well iphone clients suck, to say the least =) | 17:42 |
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| jdob | o/ | 18:59 |
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| slagle | #startmeeting tripleo | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 30 19:02:13 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is slagle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 19:02 |
| slagle | hello everyone | 19:02 |
| slagle | or maybe hello jdob i should say :) | 19:02 |
| jdob | :) | 19:02 |
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| jdob | shit, my chances of getting stuck with releases are super high then, aren't they | 19:03 |
| slagle | heh | 19:03 |
| slagle | #topic agenda | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:03 | |
| slagle | * bugs | 19:03 |
| slagle | * reviews | 19:03 |
| slagle | * Projects needing releases | 19:03 |
| slagle | * CI | 19:03 |
| slagle | * Specs | 19:03 |
| slagle | * open discussion | 19:03 |
| slagle | #topic bugs | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:03 | |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 19:04 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/ | 19:04 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-refresh-config | 19:04 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config | 19:04 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config | 19:04 |
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| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-cloud-config | 19:04 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-net-config | 19:04 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar | 19:04 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tuskarclient | 19:04 |
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| slagle | dprince: is there any update on this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1464239 | 19:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1464239 in tripleo "mount: special device /dev/sdb does not exist" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Dan Prince (dan-prince) | 19:06 |
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| slagle | do we still have that nova change reverted in tripleo-ci? | 19:06 |
| slagle | dprince: ditto for https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1463107 | 19:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1463107 in tripleo "Fedora seed fails to build due to python-ipaddress package requirement" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Dan Prince (dan-prince) | 19:07 |
| d0ugal | o/ | 19:08 |
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| slagle | alright i don't see anymore untriaged bugs | 19:10 |
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| slagle | #topic reviews | 19:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reviews (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:10 | |
| slagle | are there any reviews anyone would like to ask for attention on? | 19:10 |
| jdob | not from me | 19:11 |
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| slagle | #topic releases | 19:11 |
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| slagle | i think we can probably release on demand this week if anyone asks for it | 19:12 |
| slagle | greghaynes posted to the ML about releasing a dib 1.0 | 19:12 |
| greghaynes | :) | 19:12 |
| jdob | what was the verdict on-- ya, that | 19:12 |
| slagle | fine by me | 19:13 |
| jdob | do we want to bump everything up to 1.x following the RHOS release? | 19:13 |
| jdob | it'll be on the tail end of a pretty big ass QE cycle from our end | 19:13 |
| d0ugal | I'd like to request reviews for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195592/ | 19:13 |
| d0ugal | bit I see I missed the segmet, sorry | 19:13 |
| jdob | d0ugal: jeez, you're late showing up and you're late to the reviews section | 19:13 |
| greghaynes | slagle: You made some good points, I want to dig in the code a bit to see where the get-kernel is being used and map-packages | 19:13 |
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| jdob | d0ugal: /me looks | 19:13 |
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| d0ugal | jdob: thanks | 19:14 |
| slagle | jdob: possibly we could bump everything to 1.0.0. but we set ourselves up to maintain the interfaces at that point | 19:14 |
| slagle | which i guess is probably the right thing to do | 19:14 |
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| jdob | not if we're looking to swap in the instack stuff | 19:15 |
| jdob | or we call that 2.x | 19:15 |
| slagle | that uses the same libraries/repos | 19:15 |
| slagle | unless you're talking about something else? | 19:16 |
| slagle | maybe i'm not following what you're saying | 19:16 |
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| jdob | i suppose it depends on what you mean by "interfaces" | 19:16 |
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| jdob | i was thinking that also included the devtest* scripts | 19:17 |
| slagle | just whatever we consider to be the public api's of these repos | 19:17 |
| jdob | evne if the underlying commands were the actual product | 19:17 |
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| slagle | ah, so we wouldn't release anything from tripleo-incubator which is where devtest lives | 19:17 |
| jdob | gotcha | 19:17 |
| jdob | and i'd say skip tuskar API for now too given that i'm trying to jam most of that into Heat anyway :) | 19:17 |
| jdob | regardless, we can table this for now, its a few weeks away | 19:18 |
| slagle | ok | 19:18 |
| jdob | and we can take it to the ML and finish there | 19:18 |
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| slagle | #topic CI | 19:19 |
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| slagle | hmm, looks like all the precise jobs are failing | 19:20 |
| slagle | oh, that's for the revert that derek was testing yesterday | 19:21 |
| slagle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196659/ | 19:21 |
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| slagle | #topic open discussion | 19:22 |
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| jdob | just a quick nudge to check out the thread crossposted with heat about tuskar's future | 19:23 |
| slagle | d0ugal: i looked at that review, but i tend to agree with jdob | 19:23 |
| jdob | especially those of you who have worked with the THT templates in the past few months | 19:23 |
| jdob | and on top of that, especially the UI peoples | 19:24 |
| slagle | i need to check out that heat spec | 19:24 |
| slagle | from shardy | 19:24 |
| jdob | its going to end up being a few closely related ones | 19:24 |
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| jdob | and IMO you'll need that big picture to make sure its going to fully answer what we need | 19:24 |
| jdob | there will also likely be tuskar/tripleo specs spinning up as a result | 19:24 |
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| d0ugal | jdob: "What I don't understand is why it's not saved in the plan prior to deploying" not sure I follow this | 19:25 |
| jdob | and some discussion on if we think we need a service to manage the storage of in progress overcloud configs or if thats just a user detail | 19:25 |
| jdob | d0ugal: so tuskar workflow | 19:25 |
| jdob | - create plan | 19:25 |
| jdob | - add roles | 19:25 |
| d0ugal | jdob: is that comment related to the patch or generally? | 19:25 |
| jdob | - save config to tuskar | 19:25 |
| jdob | - get templates from tuskar | 19:25 |
| jdob | - send templates to heat | 19:25 |
| jdob | IMO, none of the "save config" part should be done at image time | 19:25 |
| jdob | that control plane should be saved in tuskar prior to the first deployment | 19:26 |
| jdob | and should be there for the subsquent delete/updates | 19:26 |
| d0ugal | jdob: So you want users to manually add all that? | 19:26 |
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| d0ugal | jdob: This is just a way of setting the defaults that instack has led everyone to expect | 19:27 |
| jdob | we can provide a script to initialize the plan, which feels a bit better than hard coding it into install | 19:27 |
| jdob | ya, but you even said it right there | 19:27 |
| jdob | instack expects that, not necessarily TIE | 19:27 |
| jdob | all that said, I'm not -1ing it | 19:27 |
| d0ugal | jdob: well, users expect that because instack did it | 19:28 |
| d0ugal | is what I mean | 19:28 |
| d0ugal | instack doesn't know what we are doing | 19:28 |
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| jdob | its where things are now, so adding one more config value isn't going to crush us | 19:28 |
| d0ugal | jdob: sure | 19:28 |
| slagle | wait, instack doesn't expect anything | 19:28 |
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| slagle | it doesn't do anything with tuskar | 19:29 |
| jdob | i think its just his phrasing | 19:29 |
| jdob | he means it set expectations | 19:29 |
| slagle | and has no expectations on it working | 19:29 |
| jdob | with how instack-deploy-overcloud used to work | 19:29 |
| d0ugal | slagle: I think jdob just miss-understood me | 19:29 |
| slagle | ok, so...then that makes the argument that this should be in the cli then | 19:29 |
| d0ugal | or I badly worded it :) | 19:29 |
| slagle | b/c the cli replaces instack-deploy-overcloud | 19:29 |
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| d0ugal | slagle: We originally went to put it in openstack undercloud install. I think bnemec objected | 19:30 |
| slagle | the cli should save the tuskar plan parameters the first time it deploys the cloud | 19:30 |
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| dprince | slagle: the update for https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1464239 is actually that someone needs to update Ironic to adopt Nova's change | 19:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1464239 in tripleo "mount: special device /dev/sdb does not exist" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Dan Prince (dan-prince) | 19:30 |
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| bnemec | I objected to the fact that the code was going into the cli and not instack-undercloud, where the rest of the undercloud install code goes. | 19:30 |
| bnemec | Which I tried to explain about 3 different times. | 19:30 |
| d0ugal | slagle: The problem with doing it on the first CLI deploy is that the UI is missing the defaults the CLI has | 19:30 |
| d0ugal | bnemec: ah, sorry - I wasn't fully following that. | 19:31 |
| slagle | d0ugal: but the neutron network id might change, if someone were to recreate it, etc | 19:31 |
| d0ugal | slagle: sure | 19:31 |
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| slagle | d0ugal: so just doing it once at install time doesn't seem right | 19:31 |
| d0ugal | FWIW, I am not an advocate of doing it in t-i-e | 19:31 |
| bnemec | It's just setting the default though, right? | 19:31 |
| bnemec | You can always change it later if you recreate the neutron network. | 19:32 |
| d0ugal | Yeah, it could be changed | 19:32 |
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| slagle | this feels different to me | 19:32 |
| slagle | than setting a default | 19:32 |
| slagle | whats' there now, sure those are defaults | 19:32 |
| slagle | but asking neutron for the uuid of the ctlplane network? that's not a defult | 19:32 |
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| d0ugal | hmm, true | 19:33 |
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| d0ugal | Should we move all of this to instack-undercloud then? | 19:33 |
| d0ugal | actually, ignore that | 19:33 |
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| d0ugal | Maybe the NeutronControlPlaneID should still be set in the CLI | 19:34 |
| slagle | i actually think that this should be initial data for tuskar | 19:34 |
| d0ugal | and then we need to make sure the UI does it too? | 19:34 |
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| slagle | why does some other installer have to configure tuskar with initial data so that it's actually usable? | 19:34 |
| slagle | (the network id aside) | 19:34 |
| d0ugal | +1 | 19:34 |
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| slagle | as for setting the network id...i think the CLI should do it, and thus the UI needs to do it itself as well | 19:35 |
| slagle | it's part of "deployment logic" | 19:35 |
| d0ugal | I don't understand the templates enough, but why can't these defaults go there? or are they very specific to our workflow? | 19:35 |
| slagle | "i need to tell heat what network i want to use for my deployment" | 19:35 |
| slagle | that shouldn't happen at install time | 19:35 |
| * bnemec notes that this is why this code shouldn't live in the cli | 19:35 | |
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| bnemec | It should have been a separate library that both the cli and ui call. | 19:36 |
| d0ugal | bnemec: we know we know, it will be sorted | 19:36 |
| d0ugal | :) | 19:36 |
| bnemec | Then we could fix it there and everyone benefits. | 19:36 |
| slagle | bnemec: them's fighting words! | 19:36 |
| bnemec | d0ugal: Yeah, I know it's because of time constraints. | 19:36 |
| bnemec | Which is why I haven't been pitching a fit about it up to now. :-) | 19:36 |
| d0ugal | bnemec: Let me know when the patch is ready, I'll happily review ;) | 19:36 |
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| d0ugal | bnemec: it is the first thing I am going to do when I get the chance | 19:36 |
| bnemec | d0ugal: It's on my list for when the "OMG drop everything and fix this blocker bug" phase ends. If it ever does. ;-) | 19:37 |
| d0ugal | Anyway, I'll comment on the review and speak with Lennart about moving that back to the deploy command | 19:37 |
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| d0ugal | bnemec: If it never ends, I probably will ;) | 19:37 |
| d0ugal | or :( | 19:38 |
| slagle | ok, i don't want to stall too long bickering on where the "right" place is | 19:38 |
| bnemec | I think we're all in agreement though? | 19:38 |
| slagle | but if it's an easy cli/ui fix, that's where i think it belongs | 19:38 |
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| d0ugal | Yeah - leave them where they are, add this new one to the deploy command. Seems easy enough | 19:38 |
| slagle | if that proves too difficult for now, we shall accept hacks as appropriate :) | 19:38 |
| jdob | +1 to what d0ugal said | 19:38 |
| d0ugal | slagle: Thanks | 19:38 |
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| slagle | alright, cool | 19:39 |
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| slagle | anything else before we end it? | 19:39 |
| * d0ugal has nothing | 19:39 | |
| slagle | thx folks! | 19:39 |
| dprince | slagle: about the bugs you asked about. | 19:39 |
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| dprince | slagle: I think the ability to boot Ironic instances w/ ephemeral drives is still broken | 19:40 |
| * bnemec scratches a record | 19:40 | |
| dprince | slagle: that doesn't effect the package/puppet deployments... but it is concerning to me that Nova broke Ironic's interface in this regard | 19:40 |
| slagle | shall we file an ironic bug as well? | 19:41 |
| dprince | I sort of think baremetal got treated as a second class citizen in this regard | 19:41 |
| dprince | slagle: yeah, that would probably help | 19:41 |
| dprince | I did mention to them on IRC though (in #openstack-ironic) | 19:42 |
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| dprince | I was actually abit disappointed the revert wasn't accepted for this issue in Nova. The decision was like.... break the Ironic interface... or fix obscure Nova feature for VMs... VMs won | 19:43 |
| dprince | Anyway. I could rant on about things but that is all for now. | 19:44 |
| bnemec | We have not historically had good luck getting reverts in when they break us. :-/ | 19:44 |
| slagle | dprince: yea, agreed there | 19:44 |
| slagle | i guess they stand by the "if it's not tested, it's not working (or broken)" | 19:45 |
| slagle | dprince: thx for the update | 19:46 |
| slagle | that's all folks! | 19:46 |
| slagle | #endmeeting | 19:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 30 19:46:39 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-06-30-19.02.html | 19:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-06-30-19.02.txt | 19:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-06-30-19.02.log.html | 19:46 |
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| devkulkarni | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 30 21:00:15 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devkulkarni. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 21:00 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Roll Call | 21:00 |
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| gpilz | Gil Pilz | 21:00 |
| devkulkarni | Devdatta Kulkarni | 21:00 |
| muralia | murali allada | 21:00 |
| datsun180b | ed cranford | 21:00 |
| devkulkarni | here is our agenda for today: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2015-06-30_2100_UTC | 21:00 |
| devkulkarni | hi gpilz, muralia, datsun180b | 21:01 |
| muralia | hey all | 21:01 |
| dimtruck | Dimitry Ushakov | 21:01 |
| devkulkarni | hi dimtruck | 21:01 |
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| mkam | Melissa Kam | 21:02 |
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| devkulkarni | hi mkam | 21:02 |
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| devkulkarni | hi james_li | 21:02 |
| james_li | james li | 21:02 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Announcements | 21:03 |
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| devkulkarni | this was from last week: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190949/ | 21:03 |
| devkulkarni | Solum is now in the big tent | 21:04 |
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| devkulkarni | we have follow up actions to change our repository locations etc. | 21:04 |
| muralia | woohoo | 21:04 |
| mkam | hooray! | 21:04 |
| muralia | congrats everyone | 21:04 |
| devkulkarni | yes, congratulations to everyone | 21:04 |
| gpilz | wow! what a nice tent! | 21:04 |
| datsun180b | so roomy | 21:05 |
| devkulkarni | gpilz, datsun180b :) | 21:05 |
| devkulkarni | once adrian_otto gets back we can sync up with him to figure out the next steps | 21:05 |
| devkulkarni | till then we continue with our repositories being in stackforge | 21:05 |
| datsun180b | i imagine the first step will be to create the repos in openstack | 21:05 |
| devkulkarni | yes | 21:06 |
| devkulkarni | I hope there is a checklist of things to do | 21:06 |
| devkulkarni | but, should be fine I guess without it too.. there are other experienced folks who can help us with this transition | 21:07 |
| devkulkarni | ok, any other announcements? | 21:07 |
| devkulkarni | for those who are just joining or joined a bit late, here is the agenda for today: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2015-06-30_2100_UTC | 21:07 |
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| devkulkarni | ok, I am going to proceed to status updates | 21:08 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Status Updates | 21:08 |
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| devkulkarni | (datsun180b): Update on the recent issues with our gates (and the fixes) | 21:08 |
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| devkulkarni | floor is yours datsun180b | 21:09 |
| datsun180b | 1. oslo.* migration. thanks to doug, we're oslo.* free | 21:09 |
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| datsun180b | 2. a little bit of mistral's own growing pains, but those appear to be taken care of | 21:09 |
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| devkulkarni | cool. so the gates are green now, right? | 21:10 |
| datsun180b | 3. a change to requirements.txt syntax to help push for better nailing-down of dependencies in the future | 21:10 |
| datsun180b | the gates are so green, my app-resource review was merged just before this meeting | 21:10 |
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| devkulkarni | datsun180b: regarding point #3, would we need to change anything on our end to start using the new requirements.txt syntax? | 21:11 |
| datsun180b | so double thanks to dhellmann for his help in the last week, and to renat for diving into mistral | 21:11 |
| datsun180b | devkulkarni: we already have, since we're using a newer pbr | 21:11 |
| devkulkarni | and lifeless for helping us with the requirements stuff | 21:11 |
| devkulkarni | oh okay | 21:11 |
| datsun180b | right yes all of that | 21:12 |
| devkulkarni | cool.. thanks datsun180b for being our gate watcher | 21:12 |
| datsun180b | gate is green, app resource is merged, santa is real, and tomorrow is christmas | 21:12 |
| datsun180b | i yield the floor | 21:12 |
| devkulkarni | thanks datsun180b | 21:12 |
| devkulkarni | next up is muralia | 21:12 |
| devkulkarni | (muralia): Updates on delete bug fix | 21:12 |
| muralia | Yes, I had twp patches out there this week | 21:13 |
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| muralia | 1) fix for a bug that was leaving behind log files in a users swift account once an app was deleted. | 21:13 |
| muralia | this was leaving behind orphaned files in the users account and they were getting charged for storage. | 21:14 |
| muralia | the patch got merged this morning. | 21:14 |
| muralia | 2) I implemented support for using the swiftclinet to download operator LPs. | 21:14 |
| muralia | there were reliability issues when downloading a large docker image using wget. | 21:15 |
| devkulkarni | I remember discussing about second point on the ML | 21:15 |
| muralia | Yes, I've made swiftclient the default option for downloading LPs | 21:15 |
| muralia | This patch got merged this morning too | 21:15 |
| muralia | Thats it for me | 21:15 |
| devkulkarni | and the wget option also still exists, right? | 21:15 |
| muralia | yes it does. Its an option in the config file | 21:16 |
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| devkulkarni | cool, thanks for the updates muralia | 21:16 |
| devkulkarni | next I can go | 21:16 |
| devkulkarni | (devkulkarni): Update on solum app update feature | 21:16 |
| devkulkarni | I have been working on app update feature | 21:16 |
| devkulkarni | I have a review up: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194297/ | 21:16 |
| devkulkarni | and also a spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189929/ | 21:17 |
| devkulkarni | the spec outlines an update protocol which is implemented in the patch | 21:17 |
| devkulkarni | currently I am working through the tests | 21:17 |
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| devkulkarni | also need to rebase with master | 21:17 |
| devkulkarni | should have an updated patch set later today or tomorrow | 21:18 |
| devkulkarni | please take a look at the code patch whenever you get a chance | 21:18 |
| devkulkarni | thats it for me | 21:18 |
| devkulkarni | james_li: you are next | 21:18 |
| devkulkarni | (james_li): Update on bash to python conversion work | 21:18 |
| james_li | i am working on converting the bash scripts of build-lp, build-app, unittest-app to python code | 21:19 |
| james_li | by leveraging docker-py | 21:19 |
| james_li | a few additional tasks are also addressed in this work, including: | 21:20 |
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| james_li | 1. security: adding timeout for running user's scirpts for unittesting and building | 21:22 |
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| james_li | resource constraint on memory, disk and cpu usage on docker containers by leveraging some new features in recent docker releases. | 21:23 |
| devkulkarni | nice | 21:23 |
| devkulkarni | james_li: does this stuff work on our vagrant setup? | 21:23 |
| james_li | devkulkarni: yes | 21:24 |
| devkulkarni | do we need to update the Vagrantfile to install latest version of docker | 21:24 |
| devkulkarni | oh, cool | 21:24 |
| james_li | nova-docker always try to install the latest docker release | 21:24 |
| datsun180b | https://github.com/rackerlabs/vagrant-solum-dev/pull/50 merge that and we'll have what james is using | 21:24 |
| james_li | datsun180b: thanks | 21:24 |
| james_li | 2. managing docker containers during unittesting and building | 21:25 |
| devkulkarni | done | 21:25 |
| james_li | which means user can use CLI to interrupt an ongoing unittest or building process | 21:25 |
| james_li | thats all for me | 21:25 |
| devkulkarni | oh, is that already part of your current set of patches? | 21:26 |
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| devkulkarni | I did not realize that the CLI stop switch is also being tackled in your patches | 21:26 |
| james_li | will be a new patch | 21:26 |
| devkulkarni | james_li: ok, makes sense | 21:26 |
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| devkulkarni | cool, good stuff james_li | 21:26 |
| james_li | but current patch paves road for that | 21:26 |
| devkulkarni | yep, have seen the current patches | 21:27 |
| devkulkarni | they look good | 21:27 |
| devkulkarni | thanks james_li | 21:27 |
| james_li | sure | 21:27 |
| devkulkarni | mkam: you want to go next? | 21:27 |
| devkulkarni | dimtruck: how about you? | 21:27 |
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| dimtruck | we can go | 21:28 |
| devkulkarni | ok | 21:28 |
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| dimtruck | since the last time we spoke, created a set of language packs | 21:28 |
| dimtruck | including nodejs and wordpress | 21:28 |
| devkulkarni | do you have links to their git repos? | 21:28 |
| dimtruck | working through a ci/cd workflow with a side application and using solum to deploy | 21:28 |
| dimtruck | yup! | 21:28 |
| dimtruck | one sec | 21:28 |
| mkam | https://github.com/rackspace-solum-samples/solum-languagepack-wordpress | 21:29 |
| mkam | https://github.com/rackspace-solum-samples/solum-languagepack-nodejs | 21:29 |
| dimtruck | bam! | 21:29 |
| dimtruck | https://github.com/rackspace-solum-samples/solum-ui << this is the ui | 21:29 |
| dimtruck | err, sample application | 21:29 |
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| devkulkarni | what lp are you using for the solum-ui? | 21:30 |
| dimtruck | nodejs | 21:30 |
| devkulkarni | *looking at the nodjs lp* | 21:30 |
| dimtruck | the language pack installs node 0.10.38, npm 1.2, grunt, and karma | 21:30 |
| dimtruck | https://github.com/rackspace-solum-samples/solum-languagepack-nodejs/blob/master/bin/build.sh | 21:30 |
| dimtruck | npm 2.10* | 21:30 |
| devkulkarni | dimtruck: what is the base image (FROM buildpack-deps:jessie) | 21:31 |
| dimtruck | validating that the workflow is clean | 21:31 |
| devkulkarni | ? | 21:31 |
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| dimtruck | that's jessie - debian 8 | 21:31 |
| dimtruck | the latest and greatest! | 21:31 |
| devkulkarni | ok, but why buildpack-deps? | 21:31 |
| devkulkarni | is it coming from one of the heroku style buildpacks? | 21:31 |
| dimtruck | nope | 21:31 |
| dimtruck | docker hub | 21:32 |
| devkulkarni | I see | 21:32 |
| dimtruck | it's another version of https://registry.hub.docker.com/u/nodesource/jessie/ | 21:32 |
| dimtruck | i could have used this one just as well :) | 21:32 |
| dimtruck | here's the buildpack-deps repo: https://registry.hub.docker.com/u/library/buildpack-deps/ | 21:33 |
| devkulkarni | cool, thanks for the links | 21:33 |
| devkulkarni | dimtruck: would these lps work in vagrant setup? | 21:34 |
| dimtruck | i don't see why not | 21:34 |
| datsun180b | why shouldn't they | 21:34 |
| devkulkarni | *need to try these out* | 21:34 |
| dimtruck | i have not tested them in vagrant | 21:34 |
| dimtruck | right | 21:34 |
| devkulkarni | ok | 21:34 |
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| devkulkarni | cool, awesome stuff dimtruck | 21:34 |
| devkulkarni | ok, any more updates from the team? | 21:35 |
| dimtruck | before next week, we'll work to send out an operations guide | 21:35 |
| dimtruck | for solum deployments | 21:35 |
| devkulkarni | dimtruck: oh, that will be awesome!! | 21:35 |
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| dimtruck | i can update the team of its status next meeting | 21:35 |
| devkulkarni | there was a request for that on the irc | 21:35 |
| devkulkarni | dimtruck: sounds good | 21:35 |
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| devkulkarni | #topic Review action items | 21:36 |
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| devkulkarni | There were no action items from last meeting | 21:36 |
| devkulkarni | moving on to the next topic | 21:37 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Discussion topics | 21:37 |
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| devkulkarni | (devkulkarni): Plugin architecture for deployer | 21:37 |
| devkulkarni | so first item that I want to discuss is building a plugin architecture for Solum | 21:37 |
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| devkulkarni | this stems from the need to be able to use different kinds of heat resources in different operational environments. | 21:38 |
| devkulkarni | for instance, in rackspace environment we want to use the rackspace cloud load balancer resource, whereas on vagrant we want to use neutron | 21:39 |
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| devkulkarni | with the plugin architecture, we should be able to choose such different heat resources based on the operational environment of solum | 21:39 |
| james_li | jinja for HOT templating? | 21:39 |
| devkulkarni | any thoughts on how we might start moving in that direction? | 21:40 |
| devkulkarni | james_li: good point | 21:40 |
| devkulkarni | but the problem is more than just choosing the right resource in the HOT | 21:40 |
| devkulkarni | we may also need to selectively choose the code itself | 21:40 |
| james_li | yeah like flavor ... | 21:40 |
| devkulkarni | for instance, in the app update protocol, I modify the HOT in the code | 21:41 |
| devkulkarni | that code will be different based on whether the environment is rax or something else | 21:41 |
| james_li | solum should keeps a set of base HOT templates, and we can plugin stuff to it on the fly | 21:41 |
| devkulkarni | regarding flavor (and other such attributes) — we should be able to control them via CLI | 21:41 |
| devkulkarni | james_li: yep | 21:42 |
| devkulkarni | I know that heat has a plugin architecture | 21:42 |
| muralia | devkulkarni: are we going to add these new options to the CLI as flags? | 21:42 |
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| devkulkarni | muralia: good question | 21:42 |
| james_li | the pluggable stuff could also be something from user's input | 21:42 |
| muralia | I'm concerned that the CLI will have way too many options and flags. | 21:43 |
| devkulkarni | probably not as flag | 21:43 |
| devkulkarni | yep | 21:43 |
| devkulkarni | I am thinking that we will need to enhance the app structure | 21:43 |
| muralia | ok. this seems like an advanced option, so we can put it in the planfile | 21:43 |
| devkulkarni | that datsun180b is defining | 21:43 |
| muralia | ok | 21:43 |
| devkulkarni | appfile | 21:43 |
| datsun180b | more like "has defined" | 21:43 |
| datsun180b | i'm excited it merged today | 21:43 |
| devkulkarni | james_li: yes, some of the parts of the pluggable code could come from user input, such as the flavor | 21:44 |
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| devkulkarni | datsun180b: yeah, it finally merged | 21:44 |
| devkulkarni | congrats :) | 21:44 |
| datsun180b | the format should be clearer than the planfile format | 21:45 |
| datsun180b | and i don't think there's much translation between what's in the sample and what the api expects | 21:45 |
| devkulkarni | so about pluggable architecture.. any thoughts on how to actually go about breaking our code? james_li? | 21:45 |
| james_li | devkulkarni: we don't need to worry too much about supporting user input now, we need to build some fundamental things. how to support user experience is another issue | 21:45 |
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| devkulkarni | james_li: agree | 21:45 |
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| james_li | devkulkarni: as far as I can think now, it probably just a deployer change | 21:46 |
| devkulkarni | based on your recent work on lp_handlers, are there any insights for us on the pluggability front stemming from your experience there? | 21:46 |
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| devkulkarni | yes, it will be only limited to deployer for now | 21:46 |
| devkulkarni | I was going to look into how heat has designed their plugin architecture | 21:47 |
| james_li | yeah, I think we can target for it after your current work is done. | 21:47 |
| devkulkarni | randallburt might be a good person to reach out to in this regard | 21:47 |
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| james_li | it makes sense to me | 21:47 |
| devkulkarni | james_li: yep, it will be a follow up work | 21:48 |
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| devkulkarni | ok, let me take an action item to pursue this with randallbut | 21:48 |
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| devkulkarni | #action devkulkarni to check how to make solum's heat deployer pluggable to support different kinds of resources in different operational environments | 21:49 |
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| devkulkarni | the next item on discussion topics that I had was: (devkulkarni): Coordination between multiple deployers | 21:49 |
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| devkulkarni | so here is some background on this | 21:50 |
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| devkulkarni | in an operational setting with multiple deployers, it is possible that consecutive app actions are taken up by different deployers to work on | 21:50 |
| devkulkarni | we have faced race conditions when there is no coordination between the deployers | 21:51 |
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| devkulkarni | example of a race condition is when two instances of apps remain even when an app is deleted | 21:51 |
| devkulkarni | currently, we deal with such issues by using the Solum database as the point of coordination | 21:52 |
| devkulkarni | what I wanted to discuss is — is using db for this purpose enough? | 21:52 |
| devkulkarni | or do we want to investigate going the route of distributed coordination protocols? | 21:53 |
| devkulkarni | the latter will increase complexity of our code a whole lot | 21:53 |
| muralia | does the db option implemented now give us what we need? | 21:53 |
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| devkulkarni | it does, as long as we don't have install of solum that uses different dbs | 21:54 |
| gpilz | this seems like an area that is only going to become a problem if solum becomes popular | 21:54 |
| gpilz | i would suggest focussing on more near-term issues | 21:54 |
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| datsun180b | one of those good problems to have | 21:55 |
| gpilz | DB coordination will hold up for a while | 21:55 |
| devkulkarni | gpilz: from operational pov this may become an issue sooner, if an operator decided so have a single solum API with data distributed across DCs | 21:55 |
| devkulkarni | agree on DB coordination should hold up for now | 21:55 |
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| devkulkarni | ok, we can revisit this later | 21:56 |
| james_li | devkulkarni: what do we need to figure out between two app updates to ensure there is NO race condition? | 21:56 |
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| devkulkarni | james_li: basically the actions of the deployers need to be ordered | 21:56 |
| james_li | timestamps? | 21:56 |
| devkulkarni | yeah, they could help. | 21:57 |
| devkulkarni | in fact, we are utilizing timestamps right now | 21:57 |
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| devkulkarni | but our granularity is only seconds | 21:57 |
| james_li | the classic Lamport protocol uses timestamps to ensure the cause-effect relationships between events. | 21:57 |
| devkulkarni | so if there are updates within a second then we are still going to run into a race | 21:57 |
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| muralia | should we just change the granularity then? | 21:58 |
| devkulkarni | james_li: yes, that is correct. but the pratical implementation may have limitations like above | 21:58 |
| devkulkarni | in which case, we would need to use something else to order the requests | 21:58 |
| devkulkarni | muralia: yes, we should do that.. I think there is bug for that | 21:58 |
| muralia | ok | 21:59 |
| james_li | datsun180b suggested to use incremental | 21:59 |
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| james_li | auto-increase | 21:59 |
| devkulkarni | ok, we are at the almost at the end of our meeting time | 21:59 |
| devkulkarni | lets continue in solum | 21:59 |
| devkulkarni | james_li: what is auto-increase? | 21:59 |
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| james_li | #solum | 21:59 |
| devkulkarni | james_li: ok | 21:59 |
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| devkulkarni | ok, thanks all for joining today | 22:00 |
| devkulkarni | have a happy long weekend | 22:00 |
| devkulkarni | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 30 22:00:12 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-06-30-21.00.html | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-06-30-21.00.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-06-30-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
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| mfalatic | Howdy! | 22:00 |
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| sdake | #startmeeting containers | 22:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 30 22:01:41 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: containers)" | 22:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 22:01 |
| sdake | #topic rollcall | 22:01 |
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| hongbin | o/ | 22:01 |
| mfalatic | o/ | 22:01 |
| madhuri | o/ | 22:01 |
| diga | o/ | 22:02 |
| brendenblanco | o/ | 22:02 |
| sdake | \o/ containers pay the bills! | 22:02 |
| tango|2 | Ton Ngo | 22:02 |
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| daneyon | o/ | 22:02 |
| yuanying-alt | yuanying otsuka | 22:02 |
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| sdake | lets wait couple more minutes for stragglers ;) | 22:03 |
| wznoinsk | o/ | 22:03 |
| sdake | #topic announcements | 22:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: containers)" | 22:03 | |
| sdake | our deadline for release was June 25th, 2015 | 22:03 |
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| sdake | I noticed that nothing has been tagged, probably because adrian is on pto iirc | 22:04 |
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| sdake | i can't tag the release, i don't have appropriate permissions | 22:04 |
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| sdake | but I did move all the l1 blueprints that were unfinished and moved all the l1 bugs that were unfixed to l2 | 22:04 |
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| tcammann_ | hello | 22:05 |
| sdake | and released l1 here: #link https://launchpad.net/magnum/liberty/liberty-1 | 22:05 |
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| sdake | #link https://launchpad.net/magnum/liberty/liberty-1 | 22:05 |
| sdake | the result is a whole lot of things slipped into l2 | 22:06 |
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| sdake | we are on time based releases here, I think adrian wants to go to feature based, we can discuss when he gets back off the road | 22:06 |
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| sdake | so nice job onthe work folks :) | 22:06 |
| madhuri | +1 | 22:06 |
| sdake | any questions? | 22:06 |
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| sdake | #topic liberty 2 milestone review | 22:08 |
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| sdake | Liberty 2 = July 31, 2015 | 22:08 |
| sdake | 4 weeks | 22:08 |
| sdake | #link https://launchpad.net/magnum/+milestone/liberty-2 | 22:09 |
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| sdake | the goal of this page is green, not blue ;) | 22:10 |
| sdake | grey here is definately a bad color | 22:10 |
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| sdake | anyone that has a blueprint for liberty2 that doesn't think that blueprint will make liberty2, please use the next 5 minutes to say | 22:11 |
| sdake | we will stop this exercise at :15 ;) | 22:11 |
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| tcammann_ | still thing https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/objects-from-bay is gonna make it? | 22:12 |
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| tcammann_ | s/thing/think | 22:13 |
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| sdake | yes | 22:13 |
| sdake | 1 more minute to push out blueprints ;) | 22:14 |
| sdake | keep in mind, I moved *14* blueprints from liberty 1 to liberty 2 | 22:14 |
| tcammann_ | I have my doubts about a few, but we shall see :) | 22:15 |
| sdake | #topic new blueprint review | 22:15 |
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| sdake | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-as-a-ca | 22:15 |
| madhuri | Have anyone read the spec? | 22:16 |
| sdake | what is anchor | 22:16 |
| madhuri | I and yuanying-alt are working on it | 22:16 |
| sdake | woring on which blueprint or anchor? | 22:16 |
| madhuri | And for the certs generation we decided to have Magnum as a CA using anchor would be more secure | 22:16 |
| tcammann_ | I've been fairly involved with the anchor team | 22:16 |
| sdake | is anchor a stackforge project? | 22:17 |
| madhuri | On seccure Kubernetes bleuprint | 22:17 |
| madhuri | It has lots of things to do | 22:17 |
| yuanying-alt | https://github.com/stackforge/anchor | 22:17 |
| madhuri | Yes stackforge project | 22:17 |
| yuanying-alt | this one | 22:17 |
| sdake | i am pretty certain we don't want a dependency on a stackforge project in a openstack namespaced project | 22:17 |
| sdake | perhaps this is a blueprint for further down the road - like m1 when anchor is in the openstack namespace? | 22:18 |
| madhuri | Ok I see | 22:18 |
| madhuri | It means we are left with the second implementation | 22:19 |
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| sdake | which is what | 22:19 |
| madhuri | Where user will generate the certs | 22:19 |
| sdake | can't bay creation generate the certs? | 22:19 |
| tcammann_ | They have to be signed by something | 22:19 |
| madhuri | Yes that is also a option | 22:19 |
| sdake | self-signed | 22:19 |
| sdake | madhuri can you start a thread on the ml and see if we are willing to accept a stackforge project as a depeendency in magnum | 22:20 |
| madhuri | I think for this release we can go with this implementation | 22:20 |
| sdake | my guess is no, but i am not the entire team | 22:20 |
| sdake | use [magnum][anchor] tags | 22:20 |
| madhuri | Ok Sure | 22:20 |
| sdake | so the anchor cats know that not being in the openstack namespace is blocking adoption | 22:21 |
| madhuri | You can make it an action item | 22:21 |
| madhuri | Ok, I will | 22:21 |
| sdake | #action madhuri to kick off thread about cert provided by stacforge project anchor | 22:21 |
| sdake | then are we agreed on the alternative which is self signed bay creation creates teh certs? | 22:22 |
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| sdake | i guess it depends on outcome of email thread | 22:22 |
| madhuri | I think after we decide on the email | 22:22 |
| madhuri | And then later we can decide | 22:22 |
| sdake | madhuri can you get a blueprint up with that model as well | 22:22 |
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| sdake | so we are quick to act when we mae a deicision on the ml | 22:22 |
| madhuri | Yes | 22:22 |
| sdake | #action madhuri to create blueprint on self-signed ca certs via magnum bay-creation | 22:23 |
| sdake | 1 minute household problem brb | 22:23 |
| madhuri | Ok | 22:23 |
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| sdake | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194905/ | 22:24 |
| madhuri | Don't have enough time now to think. Will discuss all pros and cons and then register a bp for it | 22:24 |
| madhuri | I added this just to draw attention | 22:25 |
| sdake | one q, why is there a spec up for this | 22:25 |
| madhuri | I don't wanted to work on something folks wouldn't like | 22:25 |
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| sdake | did we have a change in process somewhere ? | 22:25 |
| madhuri | There were so many options to implement this | 22:25 |
| tcammann_ | I think it deserves a spec | 22:25 |
| madhuri | So I thought writing on it is better | 22:25 |
| madhuri | I agree tcammann_ | 22:26 |
| sdake | specs are very problematic for young projects, i'd reserve them as an option of last resort | 22:26 |
| tcammann_ | There are a lot of design decisions need to be made on this work | 22:26 |
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| madhuri | Just to have clear picture | 22:26 |
| sdake | i'd highly recommend in the future folks just write the code | 22:26 |
| sdake | and forget about writing specs ;) | 22:26 |
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| tcammann_ | Its very hard to grow this piece organically without it going wrong IMHO | 22:26 |
| sdake | well maybe its a last resort option | 22:27 |
| madhuri | But as far as I have realised it is not useful | 22:27 |
| madhuri | I haven't got much response | 22:27 |
| sdake | madhuri to have a specs process, we need to prioritize specs reviews above all other work we do | 22:27 |
| madhuri | Agree | 22:27 |
| sdake | and every core reviewer has to review EVERY PART OF EVERY SPEC | 22:27 |
| sdake | this is very heavy handed | 22:27 |
| madhuri | Better to discuss in meetingd | 22:28 |
| sdake | this is why I am not in favor of a specs process, because it requires alot of work on the part of the ptl to drive the spec to delivery | 22:28 |
| madhuri | But time is very less to discuss sch big features | 22:28 |
| madhuri | An overhead | 22:28 |
| sdake | ok, well everyone sees madhuri has a spec up, I think its important we feel the pain of what a real spec review is | 22:29 |
| tcammann_ | Maybe an ehterpad is more appropriate | 22:29 |
| sdake | #action all core reviewers to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194905/ | 22:29 |
| madhuri | Thanks sdake | 22:29 |
| sdake | ok enough lecturing - sorry for that, specs are dangerious, please don't use them unless asked by the ptl | 22:30 |
| madhuri | May be tcammann_ | 22:30 |
| sdake | #topic ui development | 22:30 |
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| sdake | bradjones around? | 22:30 |
| madhuri | But we will have to held meetings other thanIRC meetings to do so. RIght tcammann_ ? | 22:30 |
| sdake | just write the code madhuri | 22:30 |
| madhuri | Sure | 22:30 |
| sdake | it will be rewritetn several times over the next 1-2 years | 22:31 |
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| sdake | all the ode I originally wrote in magnum - gone almost 100% | 22:31 |
| sdake | but if we get bogged down in specs review, no work gets done | 22:31 |
| sdake | nova has specs because it is a *mature* project | 22:31 |
| sdake | we are a *young* project | 22:31 |
| madhuri | Agree | 22:31 |
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| diga | +1 | 22:31 |
| sdake | the nova core team is threatening to rage quit unless they nuke the specs process entirely | 22:32 |
| sdake | so I expct over time the specs process will be less used ;) | 22:32 |
| sdake | but time will tell | 22:32 |
| sdake | #topic open discussion | 22:32 |
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| tcammann_ | Was there any progress on the midcycle tango|2? | 22:32 |
| tango|2 | I have everything lined up, just need a date | 22:33 |
| daneyon | I think a doodle poll was going to be released to vote on midcycle times | 22:33 |
| tango|2 | We can host 30 people for 2 days, lunch + plenty of soda provided | 22:33 |
| sdake | I am pretty sure no doodle poll hit the mailing list | 22:34 |
| daneyon | has a date been locked in? | 22:34 |
| sdake | tango how much lead time do you need | 22:34 |
| tango|2 | Just one day for the food, beverage :) | 22:34 |
| tango|2 | Our group owns the meeting venue, so it's flexible | 22:35 |
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| sdake | where is location | 22:35 |
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| daneyon | I think Adrian was going to handle the doodle poll. We should see it when he returns. | 22:35 |
| tango|2 | South San Jose, address is 555 Bailey Ave, San Jose | 22:35 |
| sdake | he is gone for a couple weeks iir danyeon | 22:35 |
| sdake | tango|2 mail me all logistic information stdake@cisco.com, I'll get a doodle poll up today | 22:35 |
| tango|2 | ok, will do | 22:36 |
| daneyon | thx sdake | 22:36 |
| tcammann_ | thanks sdake | 22:36 |
| sdake | i need the logistics info for the poll | 22:36 |
| sdake | i'll leave the poll open for 1 week | 22:36 |
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| daneyon | Just an FYI... the network subteam had a productive first meeting last Thurs. Most of the work is within this EP #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-native-docker-network | 22:37 |
| sdake | any other open discussion? | 22:37 |
| sdake | thanks for bringing up the midcycle daneyon ;) | 22:37 |
| daneyon | We took several votes on key areas of networking | 22:38 |
| sdake | daneyon pro tip put #link on fresh line :) | 22:38 |
| daneyon | sdake thx | 22:38 |
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| daneyon | First, we agreed to generalize the language of the upcoming networking spec. | 22:38 |
| daneyon | To focus on an extensible networking model instead of just implementing similar network fuc in Swarm bay types as k8s bay types | 22:39 |
| daneyon | We agreed to have the spec released on 7/25, so we have a week to get it into the L2 release | 22:40 |
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| daneyon | We spent a lot of time addressing the use cases within the EP | 22:40 |
| daneyon | Our next meeting is reflected on the Container Meetings wiki for those interested in joining next time | 22:41 |
| daneyon | In case you would like to check out the meeting logs: | 22:42 |
| daneyon | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/container_networking/2015/container_networking.2015-06-25-18.00.html | 22:42 |
| daneyon | That's about it. | 22:42 |
| tcammann_ | Is there a plan to "deal" with the pythonk8sclient, i.e. modernise it and pull it out of Magnum? | 22:42 |
| madhuri | Yes | 22:43 |
| sdake | what is the plan? | 22:43 |
| madhuri | sdake: has to say about it | 22:43 |
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| sdake | I wasn't aware there was one yet | 22:43 |
| sdake | the plan is we are waiting on 1.0 of kubernetes | 22:43 |
| sdake | to figure out what t o do at that point :) | 22:43 |
| tcammann_ | ok :) | 22:43 |
| sdake | I think we have enough stuff on our plate not to have to worry about gold plating | 22:43 |
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| sdake | speaking of that, how is the heat kube thing going tcammann_ | 22:44 |
| tcammann_ | whats that? | 22:44 |
| sdake | the work you have been doing | 22:45 |
| sdake | is it wrapped up? | 22:45 |
| tcammann_ | backporting from larsks repo, yes the patches are all up for review | 22:45 |
| tcammann_ | did you see my mail on the ML about the heat-coe-templates repo? | 22:45 |
| sdake | no I have been in kolla release mode for last 2 weeks | 22:46 |
| sdake | can you summarize for me plz | 22:46 |
| hongbin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/068237.html | 22:46 |
| tcammann_ | I don't think we should pull out the templates as a dependency into another repo | 22:47 |
| tcammann_ | I'm not sure we gain anything as a project or a community with another repo to maintain | 22:47 |
| tcammann_ | thanks hongbin | 22:47 |
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| sdake | you need to have a conversation with larsks about that idea ;) | 22:48 |
| sdake | enjoy :) | 22:48 |
| sdake | any other topics | 22:48 |
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| hongbin | sdake: I think the discussion should be within Magnum team | 22:48 |
| hongbin | The decision is whether to pull templates out of magnum tree | 22:48 |
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| sdake | you mean permanently fork larks repo | 22:49 |
| sdake | feels dirty like zebra to me | 22:49 |
| sdake | i guess i'll go catch up on the ml now that we released kolla last night at 10pm | 22:49 |
| daneyon | is their also an issue with having a dep on a stackforge project? | 22:49 |
| sdake | daneyon not really | 22:49 |
| sdake | daneyon that is our repo we can bring into our namespace whenever we want | 22:50 |
| sdake | but we just haven't done that yet because we are - overworked ;) | 22:50 |
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| daneyon | ahh... I thought it was a separate maintainer. thx | 22:50 |
| sdake | any other topics | 22:50 |
| sdake | thansk for coming folks :) | 22:51 |
| sdake | #endmeeting | 22:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 30 22:51:47 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-06-30-22.01.html | 22:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-06-30-22.01.txt | 22:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-06-30-22.01.log.html | 22:51 |
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