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| bswartz | anyone here for manila meeting? | 15:00 |
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| ganso_ | yes | 15:00 |
| ganso_ | bswartz: hi | 15:00 |
| zhongjun2 | yes | 15:00 |
| bswartz | I know for certain that several people are out | 15:01 |
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| xyang1 | hi | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | I don't have an agenda | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | does anyone have a topic worthy of covering today? | 15:01 |
| ganso_ | bswartz: yes | 15:02 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 2 15:02:13 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:02 |
| ganso_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193664/ | 15:02 |
| ganso_ | I just got back from vacation | 15:02 |
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| ganso_ | I do not know if anyone has taken a look at this patch I submitted 10 days ago | 15:02 |
| bswartz | welcome back! | 15:02 |
| ganso_ | bswartz: thanks! | 15:02 |
| bswartz | ganso_: half the manila core team is still on vacation until next week | 15:03 |
| ganso_ | bswartz: o_O | 15:03 |
| ganso_ | bswartz: what's the occasion? I did not know there was a planned vacation | 15:03 |
| bswartz | this week there are holidays in the USA | 15:03 |
| ganso_ | bswartz: oh, 4th of July | 15:03 |
| ganso_ | bswartz: nice | 15:04 |
| ganso_ | so, my patch is mostly an example implementation | 15:04 |
| bswartz | it looks like it has no reviews so far | 15:04 |
| ganso_ | so we can take a look of what effort is needed to implement something that can work for Share Migration | 15:04 |
| bswartz | it's small though so I can take a quick look | 15:04 |
| ganso_ | Also, there is this patch for generic driver, based on that one I just posted | 15:05 |
| ganso_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193667/ | 15:05 |
| xyang1 | ganso_: is this a POC, or something that you are planning to be merged | 15:05 |
| ganso_ | I did not have time to fix the unit tests for time before leaving for vacation though | 15:05 |
| bswartz | I believe that u_glide started working on a proposal for share instances (2 IDs) last week | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | looks like POC | 15:05 |
| ganso_ | xyang1: this is initally a PoC, if we end up agreeing that it looks good, and the proposal solves our problems for Share Migration, we may improve and merge it | 15:05 |
| xyang1 | ok, thanks | 15:05 |
| ganso_ | I also just stumbled across another scenario where this patch may be useful | 15:06 |
| ganso_ | my mate over here is working on a driver | 15:06 |
| bswartz | I believe that u_glide's share instance work will be how we will ultimately implement 2 IDs per share | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | ganso_: what is the other scenario | 15:06 |
| ganso_ | bswartz: has u_glide started working on it? | 15:07 |
| markstur | hi. sorry late | 15:07 |
| bswartz | ganso_: yes but he and vponomaryov are both on vacation this week too | 15:07 |
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| ganso_ | while implementing Manage feature, today he has either to rename to rename share, or use private driver storage | 15:07 |
| ganso_ | rename the share on the backend | 15:07 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:08 |
| bswartz | both of those approaches work today | 15:08 |
| ganso_ | with this patch I created, he may store the original share name (from the backend) in the driver_id column | 15:08 |
| bswartz | gah! | 15:08 |
| bswartz | no I don't think that would work | 15:08 |
| bswartz | because even if we have another ID collumn it shouldn't be modifiable by the driver | 15:08 |
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| ganso_ | in fact it would return a model update for the manager, who would edit that field when Manage method is finished | 15:09 |
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| xyang1 | bswartz: so we will be comparing u_glide's approach with ganso_'s and decide which one to use finally? | 15:09 |
| ganso_ | xyang1: possibly | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | xyang1: yes | 15:10 |
| ganso_ | share instance approach is probably the best, but will require more effort | 15:10 |
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| ganso_ | my approach required small effort on core code, and small effort on driver code | 15:10 |
| bswartz | however u_glide's approach will be a more general version of this | 15:11 |
| bswartz | it's good that ganso_ has this proposal to start working from | 15:11 |
| xyang1 | to avoid confusion, I think both of you should reference each other's patches then. Or in the commit message, state that there's another approach being worked on | 15:12 |
| bswartz | I really want to see migration happen so anything that can unblock ganso's work is something I'll support | 15:12 |
| ganso_ | xyang1: +1, I can update my commit message | 15:12 |
| bswartz | I marked ganso's patch WIP | 15:12 |
| xyang1 | that is better. thanks | 15:13 |
| ganso_ | I can continue work on share migration with my patch | 15:13 |
| ganso_ | like, experiment more on the copy command | 15:13 |
| ganso_ | etc | 15:13 |
| bswartz | I hope that u_glide's patch will arrive soon and ganso_ will be able to rebase on top of that | 15:13 |
| bswartz | but it if takes another week or 2 then ganso can continue working based on this | 15:14 |
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| bswartz | I'll review it but most likely -1 with a recommendation that we hold off | 15:14 |
| bswartz | sound good? | 15:14 |
| ganso_ | bswartz: that would be great | 15:14 |
| ganso_ | bswartz: but I am not really about this right now, if eventually we are going to accept either one or the other | 15:15 |
| bswartz | markstur: the meeting today is short as most people are on vacation | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | markstur: (and there is no agenda) | 15:15 |
| ganso_ | bswartz: I am worried about polishing Share Migration, I wish more people get involved with the implementation before merging the ID patch | 15:15 |
| markstur | bswartz, Yes. It's been quiet this week | 15:15 |
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| ganso_ | such as this #link https://review.openstack.org/179790 | 15:16 |
| bswartz | ganso_: let me know what I can do to help | 15:16 |
| bswartz | okay I'll review this too | 15:16 |
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| ganso_ | bswartz: I remember the last topic we discussed regarding Share Migration (not related to IDs), is about the methods the drivers would need to implement to provide the network path | 15:16 |
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| ganso_ | if that approach is ok, then it is up for review | 15:17 |
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| ganso_ | the copy command is a bit unstable, but I am focusing on that now | 15:17 |
| bswartz | unstable how | 15:17 |
| ganso_ | rsync -vza sometimes fails to copy some files | 15:17 |
| bswartz | did you decide that cp -a doesn't work? | 15:18 |
| ganso_ | I/O error or something like that | 15:18 |
| bswartz | oh hmm | 15:18 |
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| ganso_ | I am thinking about using a python library that copies all the files | 15:18 |
| bswartz | just some files not all of them? | 15:18 |
| ganso_ | yea, just some files, randomly | 15:18 |
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| ganso_ | I performed several tests, it fails randomly | 15:18 |
| bswartz | that's really weird -- which backends did you try? | 15:18 |
| ganso_ | only generic for now | 15:18 |
| ganso_ | like, 10 files, sometimes it copies all of them, sometimes copies 8, etc | 15:19 |
| bswartz | how are you generating the initial set of files? | 15:19 |
| ganso_ | the most dangerous thing is that, after migration, the original share is deleted, so files not copied are lost forever | 15:19 |
| markstur | yikes | 15:19 |
| ganso_ | rsync -vza on share root is recursive | 15:19 |
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| bswartz | yeah I think it's important that the copy command returns failure if it detects any error so the migration can be stopped | 15:20 |
| ganso_ | so currently I do not generate a list of files. When using the python library I will be able to list all files, exploring the directory tree, and also know the copy progress | 15:20 |
| bswartz | that would at least prevent the original from getting deleted | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | rsync doesn't return an error status? | 15:20 |
| ganso_ | yea but there are some scenarios that cannot be copied | 15:20 |
| ganso_ | such as the lost+found folder | 15:20 |
| ganso_ | I mean, not sure if cannot be copied | 15:21 |
| ganso_ | but seems like it, I haven't looked much into this particular case | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | okay well please make sure you check for errors and fail the migration if everything doesn't go perfectly | 15:21 |
| bswartz | if manila sometimes deletes people's data during migration we won't be very popular | 15:22 |
| bswartz | we'll have to triple check all that logic in the code review too | 15:22 |
| ganso_ | rsync does return error code if anything failes, although it continues to copy everything, but for instance, the lost+found folder is always failing. There is a way to pass a list of folders/files to ignore as parameters also... but the copy must be stable, currently it is not | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | I think I can understand lost+found | 15:23 |
| ganso_ | so, using this python library I expect to have a much finer-grained control | 15:23 |
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| ganso_ | I don't remember the name now, I have to look it up, but openstack already uses it | 15:24 |
| bswartz | that's created by the filesystem -- it shouldn't be user-modifiable | 15:24 |
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| ganso_ | yes but we need to acknowledge the user that his files in his lost+found folder are going to be lost on migration | 15:24 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:24 |
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| bswartz | or we need to move them to a differently-named folder during the migration | 15:25 |
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| bswartz | or ask the user to delete them before migrating | 15:25 |
| ganso_ | yes | 15:25 |
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| bswartz | I can see some strange user experiences coming out of this | 15:25 |
| bswartz | various limitations around data copying | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | we'll need to make sure they get documented | 15:26 |
| ganso_ | that's why I think we need to have Share Migration unblocked for review, test, and general use asap, it takes a lot of time to get it ready for primetime | 15:26 |
| bswartz | yeah | 15:27 |
| bswartz | okay thanks for this update | 15:27 |
| bswartz | anything else from you ganso_? | 15:27 |
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| markstur | ganso_, So you'd really like driver vendors to start using it now? | 15:27 |
| ganso_ | bswartz: not really, I haven't had progress in the minimum requirements documentation task, it is still in etherpad | 15:28 |
| bswartz | markstur: I think he means people should test it out and provide code reviews | 15:28 |
| ganso_ | markstur: if driver vendor maintainers can start testing it, it would be great | 15:28 |
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| ganso_ | markstur: if they expect to have it supported on Liberty | 15:28 |
| markstur | OK. I was thinking if he's ready for early adopters for POC. He should be recruiting a little. | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | the best code review is: I downloaded and ran your code and it blows up in this corner case you missed | 15:29 |
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| ganso_ | markstur: from what has been decided so far, they would have to implement a few functions here and there, the network path. | 15:29 |
| ganso_ | bswartz: +1 | 15:29 |
| ganso_ | yea | 15:29 |
| ganso_ | since this ID patch came after it, I should edit the commit message and add more description, like, for testing the PoC, it is advisable to download the ID patch | 15:30 |
| bswartz | hopefully everyone knows about git review -d for downloading patches | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | did anyone have another topic for today? | 15:31 |
| ganso_ | bswartz: pardon my ignorance, I am not familiar with it | 15:31 |
| markstur | 2 things... | 15:31 |
| ganso_ | bswartz: what is -d for? | 15:31 |
| bswartz | ganso_: try it out | 15:31 |
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| ganso_ | bswartz: ok | 15:31 |
| bswartz | git review -d <change number> | 15:31 |
| bswartz | it pulls a change out of gerrit into your local workspace | 15:31 |
| ganso_ | oh, I always do git fetch and rebase | 15:31 |
| ganso_ | it will make my life easier | 15:32 |
| bswartz | markstur: go ahead | 15:32 |
| markstur | 1. notice the manila-coverage (non-voting) job on patch sets | 15:32 |
| markstur | very handly coverage report | 15:32 |
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| markstur | you should run your own anyway, but I like this for reviews | 15:32 |
| markstur | Boris suggested a way to make it voting if coverage gets worse! But I don't know if we want that yet | 15:32 |
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| markstur | I'd leave that up to reviewers for now | 15:33 |
| markstur | 2. Some of our schedule stats tests don't consistently pass. I should have a fix for that soon. | 15:33 |
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| bswartz | cool | 15:33 |
| markstur | was seeing a lot of false negatives | 15:33 |
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| markstur | bswartz, cool that tests are random or cool coverage report? | 15:34 |
| markstur | :) | 15:34 |
| bswartz | markstur: this seems to be measuring coverage of the test files too though... | 15:34 |
| bswartz | what is the point of code coverage in the test files? | 15:34 |
| markstur | bswartz, Yeah. That's odd, but I just look at the other pieces | 15:34 |
| bswartz | the aggregate number at the top (89%) might be too high because of that though | 15:35 |
| markstur | Actually, I don't think it is intended, but it can show you if you managed to create tests that are not being ran | 15:35 |
| markstur | Yep. I wouldn't want tests to be included in aggregate. | 15:35 |
| bswartz | its interesing that some unit test files have very low coverage though | 15:35 |
| bswartz | I guess those would be worth looking into | 15:35 |
| bswartz | and I'm not opposed to a gate test that fails if it detects a decrease in coverage -- although it strikes me that that could be dangerous | 15:36 |
| bswartz | we'd want to keep it nonvoting for a while | 15:36 |
| markstur | bswartz, Sure. So I think one step at a time. | 15:36 |
| bswartz | the mechanism for detecting a decrease could be similar to what pylint does | 15:36 |
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| bswartz | so the other thing, about the scheduler stats tests | 15:37 |
| bswartz | can you provide a link? | 15:37 |
| markstur | I'll look not sure how quickly. | 15:38 |
| markstur | But there is a stats dict compare that fails on timestamp of stat changes. | 15:38 |
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| bswartz | we've had unstable tests in the past but I'm not aware of the problem you mentioned | 15:38 |
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| markstur | And in my tests I also see set() used with non-hashables | 15:38 |
| bswartz | did you file a LP bug? | 15:39 |
| markstur | did not yet | 15:39 |
| bswartz | maybe file a bug and assign it to yourself (assuming you plan to fix it) and capture the problem there | 15:39 |
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| markstur | http://logs.openstack.org/56/197256/3/check/gate-manila-tempest-dsvm-neutron/55771f1/console.html | 15:40 |
| markstur | Yes. I'll do the LP bug. Should've done that right away. Then I'd find the link faster. | 15:40 |
| bswartz | oh wait is this using the assert_dict_match function? | 15:40 |
| markstur | I don't know why the set() not hashable was only found locally. So I'll make that separate. | 15:40 |
| bswartz | that function has some weird logic in it to do "fuzzy" matches which I really don't like | 15:41 |
| markstur | assertDictEqual | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | that's the one | 15:42 |
| markstur | but the stats timestamp changes. so our tests tend to fail as things get slower | 15:42 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:42 |
| bswartz | yeah that's bugworthy | 15:42 |
| bswartz | if you don't plan to fix it then we need to find an assignee with bandwidth | 15:42 |
| markstur | I'll fix it right after the meeting | 15:43 |
| bswartz | I think everyone will be back in their respective offices on Monday, except toabctl | 15:43 |
| bswartz | thanks markstur | 15:43 |
| bswartz | okay if nobody has other topics I think we're done | 15:43 |
| bswartz | thanks for pointing out the coverage reports, those are cool | 15:44 |
| bswartz | next week we'll have a regular meeting with an agenda | 15:44 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 2 15:44:40 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-07-02-15.02.html | 15:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-07-02-15.02.txt | 15:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-07-02-15.02.log.html | 15:44 |
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| xarses | #startmeeting fuel | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 2 16:01:21 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xarses. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:01 |
| xarses | hi all | 16:01 |
| kozhukalov_ | hi | 16:01 |
| ikalnitsky | o/ | 16:01 |
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| bookwar | hi | 16:01 |
| federico3 | o/ | 16:01 |
| mattymo | good day | 16:01 |
| mihgen | hi | 16:01 |
| kozhukalov_ | #chair xarses | 16:01 |
| vkramskikh | hi | 16:02 |
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| xenolog | hi! | 16:02 |
| rmoe | hi | 16:02 |
| xarses | #topic Node role as a plugin (ikalnitsky) | 16:02 |
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| kozhukalov_ | xarses: give chair command | 16:02 |
| ikalnitsky | hi guys! | 16:02 |
| ikalnitsky | we have a bunch of patches on review: | 16:02 |
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| ikalnitsky | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195678/ | 16:03 |
| ikalnitsky | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197151/ | 16:03 |
| ikalnitsky | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195731/ | 16:03 |
| dpyzhov | hi | 16:03 |
| ikalnitsky | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198029/ | 16:03 |
| ikalnitsky | so please feel free to review, especially the first patch - it's huge but very important for further feature development. | 16:03 |
| mattymo | \o/ | 16:03 |
| xarses | #chair xarses | 16:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: xarses | 16:03 |
| ikalnitsky | next week we're planning to start mixing plugin things with core ones. | 16:03 |
| ikalnitsky | it should be easy for node roles.. | 16:03 |
| ikalnitsky | it shouldn't be a challenge for deployment task.. | 16:03 |
| ikalnitsky | but I'm worry about volumes.. | 16:03 |
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| ikalnitsky | you know, we have this volume manager refactoring in 7.0 and it might affect this feature. | 16:03 |
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| ikalnitsky | that's it :) | 16:03 |
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| ikalnitsky | and yeah, we are on schedule. all looks good. | 16:04 |
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| xarses | ikalnitsky: does it work with the patches in a custom ISO yet? When can you demo it? | 16:04 |
| ikalnitsky | xarses, i asked QA to test it with some of them | 16:05 |
| kozhukalov_ | ikalnitsky: what do you mean volume manager is gonna affect your feature? | 16:05 |
| ikalnitsky | there were no issue | 16:05 |
| kozhukalov_ | ikalnitsky: plugin conflicts? | 16:05 |
| ikalnitsky | kozhukalov_, i mean that we will be able to export custom volumes <-> node roles mapping, and new volumes just like we do in openstack.yaml, but in plugins | 16:05 |
| ikalnitsky | if you gonna change the format | 16:06 |
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| ikalnitsky | of the way it works | 16:06 |
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| ikalnitsky | it may affect me | 16:06 |
| ikalnitsky | so please add me to review | 16:06 |
| ikalnitsky | so i'll track your changes | 16:06 |
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| kozhukalov_ | ahh, ok, i'll ask sebastian to keep you feature in mind | 16:07 |
| mihgen | ikalnitsky: I'm worried to see so large patchsets which have not been reviewed yet.. when did you plan to land those? | 16:07 |
| mihgen | can't we break those into pieces to simplify review / landing ? | 16:07 |
| ikalnitsky | mihgen, you mean the first one? it was reviewed by evgeniy li. | 16:07 |
| ikalnitsky | no, we can't. | 16:07 |
| ikalnitsky | the most code in there is tests and migrations | 16:07 |
| mihgen | ok. when we do we plan to land it? | 16:08 |
| mihgen | is there anything demo-able? | 16:08 |
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| ikalnitsky | i will try to do it tomorrow, but i don't think it's possible. say, it will be landed at the beginning of next week. | 16:09 |
| mihgen | ikalnitsky: ok.. what about demo? | 16:09 |
| ikalnitsky | as for demo, we can mix roles. i mean core ones and plugins ones. it should be easy after this refactoring | 16:09 |
| ikalnitsky | so we can show demo | 16:09 |
| xarses | its seems like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195678/ is the most important and needs more reviewers | 16:09 |
| ikalnitsky | yeah, i think by the end of next week i'll try to show demo | 16:10 |
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| mihgen | ikalnitsky: ok. the sooner is the better.. we need to cross check that we are moving in the right direction | 16:11 |
| ikalnitsky | yeah, but it's hard to show something now.. | 16:11 |
| ikalnitsky | before we mix things from plugins | 16:11 |
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| ikalnitsky | more questions? | 16:13 |
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| mattymo | ikalnitsky, is skipping a task via plugin still in scope for your feature? | 16:13 |
| ikalnitsky | yes, it's in scope | 16:14 |
| mattymo | great | 16:14 |
| mihgen | folks we have many items in agenda, let's keep focused | 16:14 |
| mihgen | can we move on? | 16:14 |
| xarses | moving on | 16:14 |
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| xarses | #topic SSL status (sbog) | 16:14 |
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| mihgen | sbog: around? | 16:15 |
| xarses | lets come back | 16:15 |
| kozhukalov_ | the same as last time, let's skip this, looks like he is not here | 16:15 |
| mihgen | xarses: let's move on, we can't wait long today. | 16:15 |
| xarses | #topic Granular deployment (mattymo) | 16:15 |
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| mattymo | yay my turn | 16:15 |
| mattymo | on the plus side, the Python side issues are all more or less taken care of. We have public IP assignment for custom roles merged. Plugin format v3 is ready and we are ready to merge the patch for custom plugin scripts on install/uninstall | 16:16 |
| mattymo | Unrestricted VIP names patch is ready for merge as well. | 16:16 |
| mattymo | OSTF adaptation for endpoints separate from management_vip is now being developed | 16:16 |
| mattymo | VIP definition from a plugin is also underway, which is a huge feature for our project | 16:16 |
| mattymo | consumer-driven DB creation (such as from nova or glance task) is on review and should get through today. Client driven keystone endpoint creation was put up for review today. | 16:16 |
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| mattymo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194226/ <- db changes | 16:17 |
| mattymo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197981/ <- keystone changes | 16:17 |
| mattymo | We still need some effort for enabling separation of neutron task, but it's a stretch goal for the spec. | 16:18 |
| mihgen | who is doing OSTF & VIP? | 16:18 |
| mattymo | the project was in warning status because of python side dependencies, but once those are more or less making progress, we should go to "on track" | 16:18 |
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| mattymo | OSTF - apparently dshulyak. VIP alexander saprykin | 16:18 |
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| mihgen | VIP via API? | 16:19 |
| mihgen | or thru a plugin meta? | 16:19 |
| ikalnitsky | no, vip via plugins | 16:19 |
| sbog_ | Hi all. Sorry for being late | 16:19 |
| ikalnitsky | via network roles | 16:19 |
| mattymo | now it's going to be through plugin, not API | 16:19 |
| mihgen | oh that sounds wonderful | 16:19 |
| akasatkin | yep | 16:19 |
| mattymo | and that is a lot more convenient for a plugin dev | 16:19 |
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| mihgen | the only thing I'm then worried is that if you guys are all gonna be on track with main features, like new role as a plugin / flexible net | 16:19 |
| xarses | so are we getting help to fix OSFT? | 16:20 |
| mihgen | since we seem to take more work, but no resources really added | 16:20 |
| mihgen | if we are about to find python engineers to help, where those could help? | 16:20 |
| mattymo | xarses, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197945/ | 16:20 |
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| xarses | sweet | 16:20 |
| mattymo | we'll verify core openstack services functionality if we have these custom roles added, which is effectively a compromise given the level of effort needed to analyze status of corosync or mysql or rabbitmq if we don't know where the hosts are | 16:21 |
| mattymo | so mihgen you probably want to know about demoability | 16:21 |
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| xarses | moving on | 16:22 |
| mihgen | mattymo: yep | 16:22 |
| mihgen | I hope we can do it next week? | 16:22 |
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| mattymo | first demo will be a plugin that defines a new role for databgase only. It will set a database_vip field in hiera, but needs 2 hacks that are from expected features: disable database task on controller (waiting on role-as-plugin) and hacking env metadata to add a "database" VIP | 16:23 |
| mattymo | yes next week will be 100% good | 16:23 |
| mihgen | ok cool, thanks | 16:23 |
| mattymo | and if progress is good, I should also be able to demo separate keystone | 16:23 |
| mihgen | excellent | 16:23 |
| mattymo | ok xarses please continue | 16:24 |
| xarses | #topic SSL status (sbog) | 16:24 |
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| sbog_ | UI part done, rebased onto new control, tests written today, ready to merge | 16:24 |
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| sbog_ | Python part mostly done, some tests needed | 16:24 |
| sbog_ | Library part done, need to write tests also | 16:24 |
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| mihgen | autogenerated certs? | 16:25 |
| sbog_ | done | 16:25 |
| mihgen | or you'd have to upload from UI? | 16:25 |
| sbog_ | also done | 16:25 |
| mihgen | very good | 16:25 |
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| mihgen | will you be able to do demo early next week? | 16:26 |
| sbog_ | I think so | 16:26 |
| mihgen | this is the feature where most of holleywar happens | 16:26 |
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| mihgen | about how it should and should not be done | 16:26 |
| mihgen | so we certainly need demo very soon to sort it out | 16:26 |
| mihgen | thanks sbog_ | 16:26 |
| sbog_ | Ok, I will prepare the demo | 16:26 |
| mihgen | moving on? | 16:27 |
| sbog_ | next thuesday or so | 16:27 |
| mihgen | sbog_: what about earlier?) | 16:27 |
| sbog_ | *tuesday | 16:27 |
| mihgen | oh it's better :) | 16:27 |
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| mihgen | xarses: move on! | 16:27 |
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| xarses | #topic kilo… and sync of upstream manifests | 16:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "kilo� and sync of upstream manifests (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:28 | |
| xarses | mihigen you asked for this but we didn't get any topic leaders do you want to ping some one? | 16:28 |
| mihgen | we didn't, but I hope Marek is here | 16:28 |
| mihgen | and could provide latest update | 16:28 |
| mihgen | or someone else from the team | 16:28 |
| xarses | ok, lets revisit it if we have time | 16:29 |
| xarses | #topic templates for networking (akasatkin) | 16:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "templates for networking (akasatkin) (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:29 | |
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| mihgen | adidenko, holser not here too :( | 16:29 |
| akasatkin | Hi | 16:29 |
| akasatkin | Spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195109/ is merged recently | 16:29 |
| akasatkin | Development is in good progress. | 16:29 |
| akasatkin | Template engine and API in Nailgun are ~80% ready and should be tested with deployment today-tomorrow. | 16:29 |
| akasatkin | Will hopefully be merged on Mon. | 16:29 |
| akasatkin | Cinder and Swift services separation in library is going to be ready in one-two days. | 16:29 |
| akasatkin | Network manager for 7.0 is separated. Network roles are introduced with some hardcode. | 16:29 |
| akasatkin | We hope we can show first working template version on Demo (on Mon), | 16:29 |
| akasatkin | and Cinder / Swift separated may be too. | 16:29 |
| akasatkin | There are several tasks left, like: VIPs rework, API for networks creation, | 16:29 |
| akasatkin | IP allocation for hosts according to template, CLI, | 16:29 |
| akasatkin | templates validation, net-checker. | 16:29 |
| akasatkin | Overall status is good. Some tasks from original scope could be postponed though. | 16:30 |
| akasatkin | It depends on nova-network support requirements inter alia. | 16:30 |
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| mihgen | thanks akasatkin | 16:31 |
| xarses | are we coordinating the vip rework with the guys working on vip's for plugin so we don't create too many conflicts on each other? | 16:31 |
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| akasatkin | yes, we are | 16:32 |
| mihgen | can you please clearify on nova-network? | 16:32 |
| mzawadzki_mirant | (sorry for interrupting: regarding kilo and sync of upstream manifests I can update when it's time) | 16:32 |
| akasatkin | we'll need additional time to support nova-network if it is required | 16:32 |
| mihgen | xarses: I think we would need to combine CI for Kilo & general Kilo support in agenda | 16:32 |
| xarses | ok | 16:33 |
| mihgen | akasatkin: but we don't break standard support of nova-net, right? | 16:33 |
| mihgen | so you are talking about getting templates for nova-net now | 16:33 |
| mihgen | ? | 16:33 |
| akasatkin | to support it in 7.0 we need some work anyway | 16:33 |
| akasatkin | it's because of network roles which are added regardless of templates | 16:34 |
| mihgen | hmm… let's keep it second priority for now, and I expect from you guys estimated costs for nova-network, I really want to get rid of it.. | 16:34 |
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| mihgen | question about IP ranges, UX - where user suppose to set it with templated nets? | 16:34 |
| mihgen | and whether we could have range, not subnet, for management, storage, etc. nets | 16:35 |
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| mihgen | is it in scope? | 16:35 |
| akasatkin | it will be possible to add/remove networks via API | 16:35 |
| xarses | mihgen: rmoe is planning to fix the apicode so it can be updated in the network yaml | 16:35 |
| akasatkin | but not with UI | 16:35 |
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| mihgen | network yaml ? | 16:35 |
| mihgen | do we have a sample of how it's gonna look like? | 16:35 |
| xarses | the move from old keys, to the new network roles will also remove the last blocker that prevents the UI from using ranges for every network if we want | 16:36 |
| akasatkin | we have one in spec | 16:36 |
| mihgen | ok thanks I'll take a look | 16:36 |
| akasatkin | ranges will be possible via API | 16:36 |
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| mihgen | thanks akasatkin & team - excellent work, it's great that we are introducing flexibility finally, and moving fast | 16:37 |
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| akasatkin | ranges' modification | 16:37 |
| xarses | moving on? | 16:37 |
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| xarses | #topic slow image build on qemu (what are the recommendations?) (kozhukalov) | 16:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "slow image build on qemu (what are the recommendations?) (kozhukalov) (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:37 | |
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| kozhukalov_ | not very pleasant topic | 16:37 |
| kozhukalov_ | qemu uses cache=writethrough by default (in new versions writeback, but drivers can change it to writethrough) | 16:37 |
| kozhukalov_ | it slows down the process and sometimes 3600 secs is not enough to finish build process | 16:37 |
| kozhukalov_ | not sure it is enough to mention this in docs | 16:37 |
| kozhukalov_ | users tend to try 6.1 before they read docs | 16:37 |
| kozhukalov_ | another thing is what could we recommend as a best option to avoid this issue | 16:37 |
| kozhukalov_ | 1) cache=unsafe (too risky for production) | 16:38 |
| kozhukalov_ | 2) cache=writeback (could be helpful, but depends) | 16:38 |
| kozhukalov_ | 3) use vbox instead (which is almost the same as cache=writeback) | 16:38 |
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| kozhukalov_ | 4) use hardware instead | 16:38 |
| kozhukalov_ | 5) use classic provisioning instead | 16:38 |
| kozhukalov_ | of course we need to improve this, as far as we want fuel to work on qemu out of the box | 16:38 |
| mihgen | is there a way to understand this by code, from fuel master node? | 16:38 |
| mihgen | like measure something and understand it's so slow? | 16:38 |
| mihgen | we need some check like this, and just fail early with the message to the user about this | 16:39 |
| kozhukalov_ | debootstrap and apt-get | 16:39 |
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| mihgen | we could push this as updated package even | 16:39 |
| kozhukalov_ | they produce loads of syncs | 16:39 |
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| kozhukalov_ | ok, your suggestion is before starting to build make sure that the performance is high enough | 16:40 |
| mihgen | kozhukalov_: do we have this info mentioned in release notes? | 16:40 |
| kozhukalov_ | right? | 16:40 |
| mihgen | yes | 16:40 |
| xarses | would it help if we zero some of the image before starting? | 16:40 |
| mihgen | if we don't have it in release notes, then we should add it there | 16:40 |
| kozhukalov_ | any ideas how to do this? | 16:40 |
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| xarses | my guess is the high sync is due to it attempting to allocate more space | 16:40 |
| xarses | its also possible that the underlaying filesystem may have some impact so maybe we want to test options | 16:41 |
| kozhukalov_ | there is doc bug | 16:41 |
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| kozhukalov_ | but it wasn't added into docs before yesterday | 16:41 |
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| mihgen | kozhukalov_: it has to be in release notes. Let's see if we can run what I suggested as well… | 16:42 |
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| kozhukalov_ | xarses: it is not true about allocating | 16:42 |
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| kozhukalov_ | mihgen: yes, good idea, let's try to find out how to implement this | 16:43 |
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| mihgen | guys we are pressed for time, can we move on? | 16:43 |
| xarses | yep | 16:43 |
| kozhukalov_ | moving | 16:43 |
| mihgen | kozhukalov_: thanks for bringing this up, this is important, I'll follow up on this .. | 16:43 |
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| xarses | lets add this to the ML | 16:43 |
| xarses | #topic removing classic provisioning (agordeev) | 16:43 |
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| agordeev | hi | 16:43 |
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| agordeev | finally, the scope has been confirmed and spec was merged. | 16:44 |
| agordeev | It was decided just to disallow to use classic provisioning for environments created in 7.0. | 16:44 |
| agordeev | Will be implemented as a small change in nailgun. | 16:44 |
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| agordeev | It was also decided to keep classic provisioning for older environments. | 16:44 |
| agordeev | In other words, after upgrade to 7.0, older environments provisioned with 5.x/6.x will be able to continue to use classic provisioning if they were provisioned with classic. | 16:44 |
| mihgen | agordeev: when do we plan to remove the code completely? | 16:44 |
| xarses | #action mihgen will follow up about proposing a package to push update for qemu | 16:45 |
| mihgen | or it's ok as we don't need to support it anyway? | 16:45 |
| agordeev | mihgen: nor earlier than in 8.0 | 16:45 |
| mihgen | do you need to hack kickstart now to make it work? | 16:45 |
| mihgen | for 7.0 I mean? | 16:45 |
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| agordeev | mihgen: no hack | 16:45 |
| mihgen | I remember we had some if else clauses there just to check version, so then to use right kernel version.. | 16:45 |
| mihgen | agordeev: ok. did QA agreed on the approach? | 16:46 |
| agordeev | mihgen: check will be implemented in API handler in nailgun | 16:46 |
| agordeev | mihgen: yeah, qa agreed on it | 16:46 |
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| mihgen | agordeev: excellent, let's do it quick, it should be tiny change | 16:46 |
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| mihgen | xarses: ? | 16:48 |
| mihgen | let's move on guys | 16:48 |
| xarses | #topic Kilo and Juno packages on master node (rvyalov) Ci for Kilo (afedorova) | 16:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kilo and Juno packages on master node (rvyalov) Ci for Kilo (afedorova) (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:48 | |
| rvyalov | For 7.0 on master node we need openstack keystone from juno and openstack-clients (for OSTF) from kilo. | 16:48 |
| rvyalov | But they have crossed python dependency. | 16:48 |
| rvyalov | So the mos-packaging team will build a one keystone packages with dependencies and will upgrade openstack-clients to Kilo version. | 16:48 |
| rvyalov | related bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mos/+bug/1469552 | 16:48 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1469552 in Mirantis OpenStack "update python-clients pacakges for master node Fuel 7.0" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to MOS Packaging Team (mos-packaging) | 16:48 |
| xarses | sorry mihgen | 16:48 |
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| angdraug | is this the same bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1470844 | 16:49 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1470844 in Fuel for OpenStack "MOS 7.0 can't be deployed on CentOS because of python-openstackclient" [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to Ivan Berezovskiy (iberezovskiy) | 16:49 |
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| xarses | rvyalov: do we have the horizon package fixed yet? | 16:49 |
| mzawadzki_mirant | no | 16:49 |
| mzawadzki_mirant | fix in development | 16:49 |
| rvyalov | no | 16:49 |
| mihgen | guys do we actually update keystone on master or not? | 16:49 |
| xarses | CI status | 16:49 |
| rvyalov | no, we dont update keystone | 16:49 |
| mzawadzki_mirant | Horizon/JS fix in progress: https://review.fuel-infra.org/#/c/8945/ | 16:50 |
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| mihgen | so what's the CI readiness now? | 16:50 |
| bookwar | mihgen: keystone will be old and it will be installed into virtual environment, while all clients will be updated | 16:50 |
| mihgen | do we want to run both Juno & Kilo, right? | 16:50 |
| mihgen | bookwar: why virtual env??? | 16:50 |
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| xarses | lets add manifests status so we can discuss them all after hearing it | 16:50 |
| angdraug | bookwar: in a meeting with a linux team, we discussed an imho better option | 16:51 |
| mihgen | why can't we update all clients without keeping old keystone? | 16:51 |
| bookwar | mihgen: because of dependencies | 16:51 |
| angdraug | put Kilo clients in a docker container, we only need them for ostf right? | 16:51 |
| mihgen | what dependencies? | 16:51 |
| rvyalov | it is will be 1 package include all dependencies | 16:51 |
| rvyalov | python dependencies | 16:51 |
| mihgen | clients requre newer keystone? | 16:51 |
| mihgen | or 3rd party python deps | 16:51 |
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| rvyalov | no, client require new dependencies | 16:51 |
| angdraug | 3rd party python | 16:52 |
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| mihgen | and there is no backward compatibilty? what exact pkgs? | 16:52 |
| mihgen | why keystone won't work with some newer 3rd party libs? | 16:52 |
| mihgen | I just don't want to build complexity with venv | 16:53 |
| bookwar | question goes to igor yozhikov and his team | 16:53 |
| mihgen | more over, we already have docker | 16:53 |
| mihgen | why the hell one more virt layer is needed? | 16:53 |
| angdraug | zigo: around? can you comment on python-openstackclient dependencies? | 16:53 |
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| mihgen | ok let's keep it as open question, we need to follow up in ML | 16:54 |
| angdraug | and once again, can anyone confirm if we need the kilo client for anythong other than ostf??? | 16:54 |
| mihgen | let's move to CI question then | 16:54 |
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| bookwar | about CI, there is no point in creating Kilo jobs to test kilo patches on Fuel CI, because to test patches we'd need Kilo ISO and the only good Kilo iso we have is exactly the ISO which contains all those Kilo patches already | 16:54 |
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| IvanBerezovskiy | angdraug, Kilo python-openstackclient is needed for Kilo puppet modules | 16:55 |
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| angdraug | bookwar: yet holser is saying we did that for juno and before that for icehouse | 16:55 |
| mihgen | wow there is a point in CI | 16:55 |
| mihgen | as you'll at least start landing changes on top immediately | 16:55 |
| mihgen | angdraug: also, I don't quite get it: we can have ISO with Kilo packages | 16:55 |
| mihgen | fuel-lib is actually replaced each time, right? | 16:56 |
| angdraug | IvanBerezovskiy: do we run Kilo puppet modules *on Fuel node*? | 16:56 |
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| mihgen | so it's in fact having CI which uses kilo pkgs instead of juno, and just have manifests under testing | 16:56 |
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| mihgen | angdraug: we do for keystone | 16:56 |
| bookwar | mihgen: iso with kilo packages but without fuel-library patches doesn't pass CI | 16:56 |
| mihgen | but question is still open, what exactly is ran there from openstack clients perspective | 16:56 |
| mihgen | and whether it could be replaced to smth else | 16:57 |
| bookwar | ..so it can not be used as a base for tests | 16:57 |
| mihgen | bookwar: that's the idea! | 16:57 |
| mihgen | it doesn't pass now | 16:57 |
| angdraug | we also need to answer the question of why and where kilo branch of puppet-keystone breaks compatibility with juno | 16:57 |
| xarses | so I was thinking that we should take custom ISO with packages and make it so the fuel library commits for kilo manifests so that we can ensure that the kilo manifests are well tested before merging them. I think it's a mess that if we merge may take a week to unwind if we are not careful | 16:57 |
| mihgen | but once all fuel-lib changes are there, it will start passing | 16:57 |
| mihgen | angdraug: +1 | 16:58 |
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| angdraug | mihgen: do we have this transition process documented anywhere? | 16:59 |
| mihgen | so bookwar again - I understand with old puppet modules and kilo pkgs it's gonna be -1 | 16:59 |
| angdraug | if we've already done it twice, surely we've got a transition plan somewhere that we could reuse? | 16:59 |
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| mihgen | but if you chain patches needed to make it green, I expect it to become +1 | 16:59 |
| angdraug | mihgen: I am very worried about merging a long chain of patches where only the tip of the branch has +1 from CI | 17:00 |
| xarses | ok guys, we are out of time | 17:00 |
| mihgen | let's move to #fuel-dev to discuss it for a bit more | 17:00 |
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| xarses | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 2 17:00:25 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-07-02-16.01.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-07-02-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-07-02-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
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| hyakuhei | #startmeeting Security | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 2 17:00:40 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| tkelsey | o/ | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Security)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | o/ | 17:00 |
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| browne | hi | 17:00 |
| jian5397 | hello | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | yo yo | 17:00 |
| hyakuhei | Hey ! | 17:01 |
| timkennedy | o/ | 17:01 |
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| Daviey | \o | 17:01 |
| michaelxin | hi | 17:01 |
| gmurphy | o/ | 17:01 |
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| elmiko | yo/ | 17:01 |
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| hyakuhei | Quiet room today... | 17:01 |
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| nkinder | hi all | 17:01 |
| deepika | Hi this is Deepika a new member | 17:01 |
| nkinder | deepika: welcome! | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | hi Deepika, welcome | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | Hi deepika :) | 17:02 |
| browne | welcome | 17:02 |
| tkelsey | hello deepika and welcome :) | 17:02 |
| timkennedy | hi Deepika | 17:02 |
| michaelxin | hi Deepika | 17:02 |
| deepika | I met a few of you in Vancouver meeting | 17:02 |
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| deepika | Thanks all | 17:02 |
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| dave-mccowan | o/ | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | nkinder: Great to see you :) | 17:02 |
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| deepika | I am new to open stack but not security. | 17:02 |
| elmiko | hi deepika | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | deepika - want to give a brief intro? | 17:03 |
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| Daviey | Hi deepika o/ | 17:03 |
| deepika | sure. So I am from Cisco and new in their Open stack group | 17:03 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: sorry I missed last week. I was at the Red Hat Summit. | 17:03 |
| michaelxin | please welcome mvaldes too. | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | cool! | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | No problem, glad you're here | 17:03 |
| deepika | but have been in Cisco for about 9 years and have been part of their security group | 17:03 |
| michaelxin | he is a coworker with me in Rackspace security engineering. | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | Hey michaelxin, welcome mvaldes! | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | hi mvaldes | 17:04 |
| nkinder | deepika: do you work with dave-mccowan? | 17:04 |
| elmiko | hi mvaldes | 17:04 |
| tkelsey | welcome mvaldes :) | 17:04 |
| mvaldes | Hi all! | 17:04 |
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| deepika | Yes I will work with him | 17:04 |
| nkinder | Cool. | 17:04 |
| elmiko | deepika: thanks for the intro =) | 17:04 |
| dave-mccowan | hi deepika :-) | 17:04 |
| michaelxin | Thanks all | 17:04 |
| nkinder | welcome mvaldes | 17:04 |
| timkennedy | welcome, mvaldes | 17:04 |
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| tkelsey | new members, exciting times :) | 17:04 |
| deepika | yes for sure | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | Agenda: MidCycle, Crypto, Bandit, $stuff | 17:04 |
| mvaldes | thanks for the warm welcome | 17:05 |
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| michaelxin | hyakuhei: please add API security testing | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | and OSSNs :) | 17:05 |
| nkinder | There's an OSSN topic we shoudl discuss as well | 17:05 |
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| hyakuhei | ^^ :) | 17:05 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: you beat me to it :) | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | Lets roll on then. | 17:05 |
| elmiko | nkinder: +1 | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | #topic midcycle | 17:05 |
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| hyakuhei | Reminder for everyone: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-liberty-midcycle | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | looking forward to it! | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | Location is seattle and the winning date is 1st September. | 17:06 |
| deepika | for this mid cycle meeting | 17:06 |
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| deepika | can we join remtely | 17:06 |
| deepika | remotely | 17:06 |
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| tmcpeak | deepika: it's very difficult to get value from that, I think it's been tried before | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | In theory yes, in practice it can be hard depending on what's happening | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | They tend to be mini-sprints so it can work, especially when doing things like reviewing changes. | 17:07 |
| nkinder | I *think* I can make that week | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | nkinder: You'd better (Shakes fist) :P | 17:07 |
| deepika | I see | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | :P | 17:07 |
| michaelxin | it should work for me but need to check with boss first. | 17:07 |
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| elmiko | i'm hoping to attend, still addressing travel issues though | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | nkinder: Expecting you to bring the beer | 17:07 |
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| nkinder | hyakuhei: I'm supposed to be in Bangkok around then for work, but it's the following week as of now (tentative) | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | Anyway, please take a look at the etherpad and take a look at the topics too, bullet points are fine for now but we'll flesh that out significantly later | 17:08 |
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| michaelxin | so no need to worry about backup location anymore? | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | cool | 17:08 |
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| hyakuhei | HP are happy to host it | 17:08 |
| michaelxin | +1 | 17:09 |
| mvaldes | i can stay home and cover for michaelxin while he is there | 17:09 |
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| hyakuhei | Sounds good | 17:09 |
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| hyakuhei | ok, lets chat Crypto for a minute | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Crypto stuff | 17:10 |
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| Daviey | Lets write our own? | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | OpenStack in general has crypto stuff going all over the place | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | Daviey: +1! | 17:10 |
| tkelsey | Daviey: what could go wrong :) | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | only if it's a brand new algo | 17:10 |
| michaelxin | haha | 17:10 |
| dg_ | +1 | 17:10 |
| nkinder | well, Amazon is doing that right now... | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | At the last summit I proposed that the Security project start tracking this more formally | 17:11 |
| tkelsey | s2n? | 17:11 |
| nkinder | yah | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | I can imagine maintaining a crypto-status page | 17:11 |
| tkelsey | hyakuhei: +1 sounds like a good idea | 17:11 |
| michaelxin | hyakuhei: +1 | 17:11 |
| michaelxin | It is a great start | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | +1 | 17:11 |
| Daviey | (nkinder, they are still using crypto primitives from libcrypto (openssl)) | 17:11 |
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| hyakuhei | should help us to connect some dots and provide outsiders with a better view of where OpenStack is at regarding what I've come to refer to as OpenStack-Native encryption features | 17:11 |
| michaelxin | so we can know what the devs are doing | 17:11 |
| browne | i think that would be good. also should try to get rid of old ssl libs | 17:11 |
| nkinder | Daviey: yes, just doing the TLS part themselves | 17:12 |
| browne | and use python cryptography where possible | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | Yes, in the first phase it will be bringing that info together | 17:12 |
| elmiko | hyakuhei: are we talking about tracking which projects are using what crypto packages? | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | In the second phase we can introduce more formal review, audit and advice. | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | I think last time we talked about this we decided Bandit could help drive this | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | elmiko: More high level to start with | 17:12 |
| michaelxin | hyakuhei: +1 | 17:12 |
| elmiko | ok, cool | 17:12 |
| tkelsey | tmcpeak: yes i think there is good scope for bandit here | 17:12 |
| timkennedy | intent to centralize info, then make a coordinated push for cross-project best practices? | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | More tracking and influencing the _features_ rather than the implementation | 17:12 |
| Daviey | hyakuhei: Are you talking about tracking which crypto libraries are used or which cipher suites etc? | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | timkennedy: yes | 17:13 |
| nkinder | Daviey: both I think | 17:13 |
| timkennedy | great. +1 | 17:13 |
| michaelxin | we can do both | 17:13 |
| browne | Daviey: i'd say both | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | So Bandit can do a lot of implementation checking | 17:13 |
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| michaelxin | hyakuhei: +1 | 17:13 |
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| browne | there's also a lot of use of exec of openssl command line which i don't like | 17:14 |
| nkinder | bandit will help a lot. When I started doing this for keystone a few releases back, it was tedious and manual | 17:14 |
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| tkelsey | browne: thats interesting | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | though it doesn't know where you should use CTR vs XTS etc | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | At a higher level though, tracking features and helping deliver better crypto is good | 17:14 |
| nkinder | even if bandit points out where in the code manual research is needed, it will be useful | 17:14 |
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| tkelsey | nkinder: +1 | 17:15 |
| michaelxin | nkinder: +1 | 17:15 |
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| mvaldes | this is a worthy effort. | 17:15 |
| browne | agreed | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | +1 | 17:15 |
| tkelsey | yup | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | so I guess the wiki is the best place to create and to attempt to maintain some sort of high level overview. It should provide points to start drill-downs. Auditing / Bandit scanning will follow. I'll also try to reboot some of the TA work just around crypto | 17:15 |
| Daviey | Hmm, I am guessing that many projects are using distro defaults for some things - rather than implemented in code we control? Ie, we don't decalare that we want to use SSLv3 or RC4 on any endpoints.. Considering many endpoints are going behind a real webserver this cycle, that leaves us in a pickle... no? | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | As the projects are just too big for the current TA efforts to take off without dedicated headcount. | 17:16 |
| tkelsey | hyakuhei: +1 | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | I'll pitch in with any Bandit tweaks to support this | 17:16 |
| nkinder | Daviey: soem stuff is clearly otu of scope. There is advice for how to deploy (for deployers), but that's separate from advice for how to use crypto for developers | 17:16 |
| tkelsey | Daviey: humm yes, but there is still plenty of stuff we can cover | 17:16 |
| michaelxin | hyakuhei: +1 | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | Daviey: Not really, almost all crypto parameters are application configured. Sure if you want to configure Apache as a front end and use crappy crypto I can't stop you | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | but I can damned sure make sure requests is doing cert validation etc. | 17:17 |
| nkinder | both are important, but I think we're talking about the latter here | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | The goal isn't to make it perfect, the goals to make it the least weak part of the system. | 17:17 |
| Daviey | ok, makes sense. | 17:17 |
| michaelxin | it is more about application | 17:17 |
| michaelxin | server configuration is depending on the users | 17:17 |
| timkennedy | as they say, "Knowing is half the battle." | 17:17 |
| tkelsey | also, having more docs out there will help educate people when setting up there apache or whatever as well | 17:17 |
| browne | bandit does check for requests use of cert validation | 17:17 |
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| nkinder | tkelsey: yep, that's security guide territory | 17:17 |
| timkennedy | even just having awareness of what is being done, and where, even if we can't change it in the short term, is invaluable. | 17:18 |
| elmiko | tkelsey: +1 | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | So yes, keep an eye out on -dev for emails regarding this. I'll also be including keymanagement, namely but not entirely, Bandit and Castellan | 17:18 |
| michaelxin | timkennedy: +1 | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | I'll do my best to bootstrap that then hopefully we can get help from some more people | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | Anything else on this? | 17:18 |
| Daviey | hyakuhei: How will the weak points be tracked? | 17:19 |
| Daviey | wiki or bugs? | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | Bugs | 17:19 |
| Daviey | ok | 17:19 |
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| hyakuhei | As little on wiki as possible. Wiki will be more about telling potential adopters where the overall state of crypto _features_ is in OpenStack today and where it's headed | 17:19 |
| mvaldes | hyakuhei: which -dev list? | 17:19 |
| michaelxin | hyakuhei: is there a -dev list for this? | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | Top-down as it were | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | All Security Project work should be conducted on openstack-dev using the [Security] tag | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | ^ please :) | 17:20 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: +1 | 17:20 |
| browne | also, i've heard from some cores that they want general advertising of Bandit on the mailing list anyway. | 17:20 |
| michaelxin | hyakuhei: Thanks. | 17:20 |
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| hyakuhei | Good. | 17:20 |
| tkelsey | browne: nice | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: chair6: tkelsey etc - you hear that? Have your bandit chats over on -dev ! | 17:21 |
| tkelsey | lol ok ok :) | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | haha ok cool :) | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | Speaking of... | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Bandit | 17:21 |
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| tkelsey | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197180/ | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | tkelsey, browne, bknudson: can you guys take this? | 17:21 |
| tkelsey | new check for partial executable paths when running subprocesses | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | it deserves full attention, sadly I'm in another meeting | 17:21 |
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| tmcpeak | bknudson has great news :) | 17:21 |
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| tmcpeak | oh, lol, good times, he's not here today :\ | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | Keystone went to a voting Bandit gate :D | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | first project! | 17:22 |
| browne | tmcpeak: sure | 17:22 |
| tkelsey | thats a shame, but yeah awesome :) | 17:22 |
| browne | yay | 17:22 |
| nkinder | awesome! | 17:23 |
| michaelxin | great | 17:23 |
| tkelsey | first one to take the plunge, we own him a beer | 17:23 |
| Daviey | Oh dammit.. I currently depend on not using full path for binaries.. I can manipulate PATH before executioI guess i'll have to stop be slack. | 17:23 |
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| hyakuhei | Glad it was one of those small side projects that no-one uses.... | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | :P | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | That's excellent work though, congrats | 17:24 |
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| tmcpeak | :) bknudson is hustling! | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | Any more on Bandit? | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | also there's some work going on for some gate, I want to say swift? | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | at some point we should take inventory and see how many projects are/aren't using Bandit | 17:25 |
| tkelsey | yes I think I did hear about that | 17:25 |
| tkelsey | tmcpeak: +1 | 17:25 |
| chair6 | tmcpeak rolled a new release on pypi earlier this week.. | 17:25 |
| michaelxin | tmcpeak: +1 | 17:25 |
| elmiko | sahara has non-voting bandit gate | 17:25 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196395/ | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | oh yeah, lol, was that this week? :) | 17:25 |
| browne | nova, cinder are in the works. i have patches for them. oslo.vmware already uses bandit (non-voting) | 17:25 |
| tkelsey | we should get a discussion going on -dev | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | 0.12.0 is live :) | 17:25 |
| tkelsey | see who is using it and drum up some exposure | 17:25 |
| tkelsey | thanks notmyname :) | 17:25 |
| elmiko | tkelsey: +1 for ml discussion | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | This is excellent work guys, really useful for projects and raises the visibility of the Security Project overall. | 17:26 |
| mvaldes | this progress is exciting | 17:26 |
| tkelsey | :) | 17:26 |
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| dave-mccowan | we're still running 0.10.0 on barbican gate. should i manually bump the version to 0.12.0, or will infra proposed updates be coming soon? | 17:27 |
| tkelsey | tmcpeak: ? | 17:27 |
| browne | dave-mccowan: global requirements has 0.10.1 | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | dave-mccowan: yeah, for sure | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | I think 0.10.0 is pretty broken :) | 17:27 |
| Daviey | libvirt uses iptables and qemu-* from PATH, and that was added as a _feature_ about 3 years ago. | 17:27 |
| browne | you can set your test-requirements to match for openstack bot | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | new versions don't break things (at least in theory) | 17:27 |
| tkelsey | tmcpeak: are you going to patch infra? | 17:28 |
| tkelsey | I can otherwaise | 17:28 |
| tkelsey | *other waise | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | no, we have >= 0.10.1, patching isn't required | 17:28 |
| tkelsey | ah ok | 17:28 |
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| tmcpeak | https://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/master/global-requirements.txt#L225 | 17:29 |
| Daviey | As more projects start to use Bandit, how are we measuring what bandit modules each openstack project has enabled? | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | Daviey: great question, we aren't but it would be nice to | 17:30 |
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| dave-mccowan | tmcpeak does this mean test-requirements-bandit.txt is no longer needed? | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | I'd at least to have an updated list of projects, their usage status, and a link to their profiles | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah, it'd be interesting to monitor that. | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | dae-mccowan: some projects use that to make it so you can run Bandit without installing all test requirements | 17:30 |
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| browne | dave-mccowan: yes, better to remove from -bandit.txt and just put in test-requirements.txt. openstack bot can't deal with -bandit.txt | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | but it doesn't need to if you're >=, right? | 17:31 |
| tkelsey | I always think of the -bandit.txt as a little messy | 17:32 |
| tkelsey | but thats just me | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | it can be useful to cut down Bandit tox time, but I'm ambivalent | 17:32 |
| Daviey | -bandit.txt is nasty, in that it is further pollution of the project root.. But i do think it is crazy to run what is basically a linting tool, having to install all of test-requirements.txt | 17:32 |
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| tmcpeak | yeah :\ no great answers either way | 17:33 |
| michaelxin | Daviey: +1 | 17:33 |
| tkelsey | we can suggest both in the instructions and people can pick whatever seems right to them i guess | 17:33 |
| michaelxin | tkelsey: good idea | 17:33 |
| browne | Daviey: yeah if there's a better way we're open to it | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | honestly, we only have three requirements, couldn't we just list them in tox.ini instead of putting them in a file? | 17:33 |
| tkelsey | well the openstack way is to use the file, I would follow convention | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei | ok, maybe we should move on from bandit for a few minutes, we can come back if there's time | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei | or use -dev | 17:34 |
| tkelsey | hyakuhei: yeah sorry :) lets move on | 17:34 |
| browne | the advantage of putting in test-requirements.txt is that the openstack proposal bot will operate on it so if the global requirements.txt is every bumped to a newer version | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei | tkelsey: Is there much to discuss re: Anchor? | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Anchor | 17:34 |
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| tkelsey | well we have a new API setup in the works | 17:35 |
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| tkelsey | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190473/ | 17:35 |
| tkelsey | ^^ is the change for people who are interested | 17:35 |
| tkelsey | and we are/close to Py3 compatibility now | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei | So there are some pretty big changes in flight for Anchor, some discussion of how you could do multi-root signing, this lets you have nice compartmentalized crypto with a single CA endpoint at the cost of slightly more complexity in Anchor itself. | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei | Yay for Py3! | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei | Anything else on Anchor today? | 17:36 |
| tkelsey | thats all I got | 17:36 |
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| hyakuhei | Oh I forgot to mention. Andreas saw that we were still using Stackforge for stuff and put in a request to move Bandit and Anchor over to the openstack namespace | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | #topic OSSN | 17:37 |
| tkelsey | :D nice! | 17:37 |
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| hyakuhei | nkinder: you around ? | 17:37 |
| browne | nice | 17:37 |
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| nkinder | yep | 17:37 |
| nkinder | OSSN-0049 has brought some interesting discussions | 17:37 |
| nkinder | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194416/ | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | I see there's quite a few OSSN in the queue | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | yeah, especially re: the patch | 17:37 |
| elmiko | and most recently, should this be general advice for all debug mode services | 17:38 |
| nkinder | This was specific to Ironic and the use of debug=true leaking sensitive config values | 17:38 |
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| hyakuhei | Yeah, we've had other project specific ones in the past | 17:38 |
| nkinder | Yes, I can see writing this one over and over and over for different services | 17:38 |
| michaelxin | should debug mode be disabled for any production environment? | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | well, most services tag things correctly in oslo now | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | michaelxin: it _should_ but it tends to break when you do that | 17:38 |
| nkinder | The value of specific cases is we can say "here is a known violator", then say when it was fixed | 17:38 |
| elmiko | if there are no objections, i'll just rewrite it to be more general for all debug=true | 17:38 |
| Daviey | We see leakage like this every year.. I was thinking about seeing if a Tempest test could automate the search for creds leaked in logs. | 17:38 |
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| tkelsey | nkinder: +1 | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | nkinder: I agree | 17:39 |
| elmiko | hmm, ok | 17:39 |
| tkelsey | Daviey: nice idea | 17:39 |
| nkinder | If we have a single generic OSSN, how are we goign to communicate when someone makes an "oops" and doesn't mark somethign as secret? | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | and have no problem with two OSSNs looking very similar | 17:39 |
| michaelxin | hyakuhei: ic | 17:39 |
| elmiko | nkinder: that is a good point | 17:39 |
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| nkinder | Daviey: we did something like that for keystone a while back | 17:39 |
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| hyakuhei | Daviey: there was a discussion of doing some staining tests with Tempest | 17:39 |
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| Daviey | hyakuhei: Have a thread handy? I thought it was an original idea :) | 17:40 |
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| hyakuhei | Verbal | 17:40 |
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| nkinder | so back to OSSSN-0049, what is the consensus? | 17:40 |
| elmiko | so, what about #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-swiftclient/+bug/1470740 | 17:40 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1470740 in python-swiftclient "swiftclient disclose token in debug logs" [Undecided,New] | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | Never had the time to put much into it though I think it may have been discussed on-thread at some point | 17:40 |
| elmiko | as it pertains to 0049 | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | but staining != new, tempest != new :P | 17:41 |
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| nkinder | While I like the idea (and intent) of a generic article, I think we lose the value of calling out specific fixes | 17:41 |
| michaelxin | staining+tempest=new | 17:41 |
| elmiko | nkinder: that makes sense | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | Speaking of. michaelxin wants to talk about similar stuff in a minute | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | my only concern is that it might becoe stale in light of fixes and new issues | 17:41 |
| tkelsey | nkinder: I agree on balance | 17:41 |
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| nkinder | so let's leave it specific to Ironic, but word as much as possible in a generic way so we can plagiarize OSSN-0049 next time this comes up? :) | 17:42 |
| hyakuhei | Jeeze my IRC is way behind, I just got like 10 messages in one lump. | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | haha | 17:42 |
| hyakuhei | nkinder: +1 for plagiarism. | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | poor elmiko | 17:42 |
| elmiko | lol | 17:42 |
| Daviey | We need a notion of Common Weaknesses :/ | 17:42 |
| hyakuhei | elmiko fwiw it's a very good OSSN. | 17:42 |
| nkinder | elmiko: don't worry, we'll tell you something different tomorrow! ;) | 17:42 |
| elmiko | nkinder: so, should i hack it again, or just remove WIP? | 17:42 |
| elmiko | LOL | 17:42 |
| nkinder | +1 on it being very good! | 17:42 |
| elmiko | hyakuhei, nkinder, thanks | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | tomorrow for a new direction sounds above industry average :P | 17:43 |
| nkinder | I think your last revision is good enough IMHO | 17:43 |
| elmiko | k | 17:43 |
| michaelxin | +1 | 17:43 |
| nkinder | and as hyakuhei points out, we have a backlog of OSSNs that need authors | 17:43 |
| elmiko | ok, removed wip, just need a few more reviews | 17:43 |
| tkelsey | I'll try and find some spare cycles to pick one up | 17:43 |
| nkinder | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/ | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | nkinder: I'll pick one up | 17:44 |
| elmiko | nkinder: i'll pick up another, but i'm only working on one at a time! | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | OSSNs are a great way of getting involved in Security projects, and getting an ATC badge :) | 17:44 |
| tkelsey | elmiko: very wise :) | 17:44 |
| elmiko | ;) | 17:44 |
| nkinder | I've been travelling for conferences, and moving houses, but am ready to pick some up myself too | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | Any new members ^^^ | 17:44 |
| mvaldes | i'm interested in helping, but not sure how this works | 17:44 |
| nkinder | We have the process pretty well documented for any newbs :) | 17:44 |
| michaelxin | mvaldes: +1 | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | I took this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/+bug/1464750 | 17:45 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1464750 in OpenStack Security Notes "Service accounts can be used to login horizon" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 17:45 |
| Daviey | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security/Security_Note_Process <-- how to | 17:45 |
| michaelxin | nkinder: +1 | 17:45 |
| elmiko | mvaldes: it's very easy to get in on, the templates and wiki describe almost everything | 17:45 |
| nkinder | elmiko: I think you're the most recent author. Was the process well defined, or do we need to make things more helpful to the first time author? | 17:45 |
| michaelxin | I will try to contribute too. | 17:45 |
| tkelsey | awesome :) | 17:45 |
| elmiko | i think the process is very well defined at this point | 17:45 |
| elmiko | kudos to all who have worked on the templates and wiki instructions | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | well at least I'm attempting to assign it to me | 17:45 |
| nkinder | ok, good. If something isn't clear, I want to know about it :) | 17:45 |
| michaelxin | nkinder: Thanks for your hard work | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | What happened with the parsing / revised format work? | 17:46 |
| nkinder | ...and if anyone needs some hand-holding, just let me know | 17:46 |
| elmiko | nkinder: i'll read them again with a different perspective and see if anything stands out for me | 17:46 |
| tkelsey | nkinder: +1 and likewise I can help out | 17:46 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: writing them in yaml actualyl makes things harder | 17:46 |
| nkinder | ...though converting and parsing for tools to check if an OSSN applies to their cloud is very possible | 17:46 |
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| nkinder | and I have a WIP for that | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | It would be nice to be able to (in a simple stacklytics type way) identify all the OSSN for each OpenStack release/project | 17:47 |
| nkinder | add this as a topic for next week, and I'll share what I have | 17:47 |
| tkelsey | grep for keywords? | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | ----cool, sorry for delayed comments, I think this freenode machine is on the verge of a split | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | thanks nkinder | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | Ok next topic | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | #topic API Security Testing | 17:47 |
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| hyakuhei | michaelxin: ^^ | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak | is launchpad broken in some weird and wonderful way? | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | I can't assign myself an OSSN | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | :\ | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei | More than usual ? | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei | Are you signed in? | 17:48 |
| nkinder | tmcpeak: really? | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | lol, yeah | 17:48 |
| nkinder | which one do you want? | 17:48 |
| michaelxin | last time, we talked about gabbi | 17:48 |
| nkinder | tmcpeak: or shoudl I pick ones to assign to you :P | 17:48 |
| michaelxin | And whether it is possible to use it for the framework | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/+bug/1464750 | 17:48 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1464750 in OpenStack Security Notes "Service accounts can be used to login horizon" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | as long as it isn't that Neutron one :P | 17:48 |
| elmiko | michaelxin: +1, i've been experimenting with gabbi on sahara | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei | got a link for Gabbi? | 17:48 |
| michaelxin | We did more digging around and talked this with some developers | 17:48 |
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| elmiko | #link https://github.com/cdent/gabbi | 17:49 |
| tkelsey | ty | 17:49 |
| michaelxin | So far, we do not think that it is a good framework for automatic api testing. | 17:49 |
| michaelxin | it is good for sending predefined http request testing | 17:49 |
| michaelxin | In order to do fuzzing, security testing, too much additional work. | 17:50 |
| tkelsey | interesting, any other candidates to look at/try ? | 17:50 |
| michaelxin | I just got a team to work on this. We code named Syntribos. | 17:50 |
| nkinder | tmcpeak: you are now the proud owner of that OSSN bug | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | nkinder: awesome, thank you :) | 17:51 |
| nkinder | tmcpeak: thank YOU | 17:51 |
| elmiko | michaelxin: in general i agree, it's not a perfect fit for security testing | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | :P | 17:51 |
| michaelxin | We will use some codes from a rackspace open source project OpenCafe | 17:51 |
| michaelxin | The basic idea is same | 17:51 |
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| tkelsey | michaelxin: so will this be a new project? | 17:51 |
| michaelxin | Yes | 17:51 |
| michaelxin | This project aims to become a API automatic scanner | 17:52 |
| hyakuhei | A community one ? | 17:52 |
| tkelsey | stackforge ? presumably under the security team umbrella | 17:52 |
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| michaelxin | like API testing of Appscan | 17:52 |
| michaelxin | but with better performance | 17:52 |
| hyakuhei | Cool | 17:52 |
| michaelxin | hyakuhei: Yes. That will be great. | 17:52 |
| michaelxin | Hope you can help with kicking it off. | 17:53 |
| hyakuhei | Superb, we can make that a thing | 17:53 |
| tmcpeak | cool, so michaelxin will this be a OpenStack Security labeled project? | 17:53 |
| tkelsey | michaelxin awesome :) | 17:53 |
| michaelxin | tmcpeak: We are fine with it. | 17:53 |
| tmcpeak | great! | 17:53 |
| elmiko | very cool | 17:53 |
| tkelsey | :) | 17:53 |
| michaelxin | The basic idea is similar | 17:53 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah I'd love to semi-formally partner with you guys on this, I'll get our pentesters to take a look too, they're too cool for the IRC meetings but I imagine they'll have good input for a project like this | 17:53 |
| tkelsey | first new members, now new projects :) | 17:53 |
| michaelxin | The user needs to provide valid HTTP requests. | 17:53 |
| hyakuhei | Have you looked at malybuzz at all ? | 17:53 |
| michaelxin | hyakuhei: no. | 17:54 |
| michaelxin | will take a look for sure. | 17:54 |
| hyakuhei | cool | 17:54 |
| hyakuhei | I also wonder if you could do something with tempest test cases | 17:54 |
| Daviey | Is it expected to be some sort of Periodic jenkins job? | 17:54 |
| hyakuhei | i.e teams have already written tests telling Tempest how their API _should_ work | 17:54 |
| hyakuhei | branching the various nodes in that model, creating loops etc could be very interesting. | 17:55 |
| michaelxin | Tempest is a different issues. | 17:55 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah | 17:55 |
| hyakuhei | I'm not saying use it | 17:55 |
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| hyakuhei | but the test cases capture some useful knowledge | 17:55 |
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| michaelxin | For Tempest test cases, we assume that people know about the products. | 17:55 |
| Daviey | I guessed that hyakuhei was suggesting temptest be input for fuzzing etc? | 17:55 |
| hyakuhei | Sure | 17:55 |
| michaelxin | They have the luxury to create all security testing cases | 17:56 |
| hyakuhei | So blind fuzzing only gets you so far | 17:56 |
| hyakuhei | Knowing some things about the system can help with the depth of the test | 17:56 |
| michaelxin | But this project is give a tool for people to point and shoot | 17:56 |
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| hyakuhei | It's an interesting project, really looking forward to learning more | 17:56 |
| Daviey | unbound fuzzing can run for years :) | 17:56 |
| michaelxin | Since lots of open stack projects have lots of common grounds | 17:56 |
| michaelxin | we might be able to make it perform better. | 17:57 |
| hyakuhei | Completely blind fuzzing would never Auth, but yeah lets talk more next week or on -dev :) | 17:57 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Any Other Business | 17:57 |
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| hyakuhei | 2 minutes left guys | 17:57 |
| tmcpeak | good stuff! | 17:57 |
| hyakuhei | michaelxin: Very excited about that but wanted to open up AOB in case there's anything urgent to discuss | 17:57 |
| tkelsey | hyakuhei: michaelxin +1 \ | 17:57 |
| michaelxin | Thanks | 17:58 |
| michaelxin | sure. | 17:58 |
| michaelxin | what's AOB? | 17:58 |
| tmcpeak | any other business :) | 17:58 |
| michaelxin | sure | 17:58 |
| hyakuhei | Ok, lets wrap then. Thanks everyone! Great meeting. | 17:58 |
| hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 17:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 2 17:58:51 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:58 |
| tmcpeak | thanks all! | 17:58 |
| nkinder | Thanks all! | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-07-02-17.00.html | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-07-02-17.00.txt | 17:58 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-07-02-17.00.log.html | 17:58 |
| Daviey | thanks o/ | 17:58 |
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| elmiko | thanks hyakuhei | 17:59 |
| tkelsey | thanks all | 17:59 |
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| sriram | o/ | 19:01 |
| amitgandhinz | #startmeeting Poppy Weekly Meeting | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 2 19:01:38 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amitgandhinz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:01 | |
| sriram | o/ | 19:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'poppy_weekly_meeting' | 19:01 |
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| malini | o/ | 19:01 |
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| amitgandhinz | #topic roll call | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:01 | |
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| mpanetta | o/ | 19:02 |
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| tonytan4ever | o/ | 19:02 |
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| miqui | 0/ | 19:02 |
| amitgandhinz | #link Agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Poppy | 19:02 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Review Last Weeks Items | 19:03 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-06-25-19.00.html | 19:03 |
| amitgandhinz | amitgandhinz and malini to groom the bugs | 19:03 |
| amitgandhinz | this is done | 19:03 |
| malini | thx amitgandhinz | 19:03 |
| amitgandhinz | i also made the liberty-1 release | 19:03 |
| sriram | woot | 19:04 |
| sriram | that is great | 19:04 |
| amitgandhinz | groomed the liberty-2 backlog items that we should aim to accomplish | 19:04 |
| amitgandhinz | liberty-2 ends July 30 | 19:04 |
| amitgandhinz | malini to work with michaelxin to get the outstanding patches merged | 19:04 |
| amitgandhinz | malini: any update on that? | 19:04 |
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| malini | they have been busy :/ | 19:04 |
| malini | maybe I can pick up the outstanding ones & fix them | 19:05 |
| malini | its mainly pep8 & addressing review comments | 19:05 |
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| amitgandhinz | yeh i think anyone should be able to fix the issues with the patches that are out there | 19:05 |
| malini | I will pick those up | 19:05 |
| amitgandhinz | there are also a whole bunch of test related patches that either need to be fixed or abandoned | 19:05 |
| sriram | yeah | 19:06 |
| malini | I will clean up those as well | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | #action malini to get the outstanding security patches fixed and merged | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | #action malini to clean up/fix the many test related patches that have been out there for a while | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Liberty-2 Updates | 19:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Liberty-2 Updates (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:07 | |
| amitgandhinz | #link https://launchpad.net/poppy/+milestone/liberty-2 | 19:07 |
| amitgandhinz | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/security-testing | 19:07 |
| amitgandhinz | malini: can i reassign this to you? | 19:07 |
| malini | hmm..no | 19:07 |
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| malini | I will just fix the outstanding | 19:07 |
| amitgandhinz | isnt this just getting those patches merged? | 19:07 |
| amitgandhinz | or are there more that we havent even seen yet? | 19:07 |
| malini | but the new ones should come from michael | 19:07 |
| malini | there are more to come | 19:08 |
| amitgandhinz | ok | 19:08 |
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| amitgandhinz | im thinking then to move this out of liberty-2 and make it ongoing | 19:08 |
| malini | +1 | 19:08 |
| amitgandhinz | changed | 19:08 |
| amitgandhinz | miqui: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/devstack | 19:09 |
| miqui | hi amitgandhinz, am about to give up on this one.... | 19:09 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok i will take your name off it then | 19:09 |
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| miqui | might switch to fixing defects...etc..etc.. | 19:10 |
| malini | do we even need devstack? | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | ok. there are a bunch of low hanging bugs that can be picked up. that might be a good place to start | 19:10 |
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| miqui | k, amitgandhinz | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | malini: if we want to be part of big tent i think it would be a good idea | 19:10 |
| malini | maybe containerize the whole thing & use tht to run tests at the gate? | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | malini: for the gate, docker +1 | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | but for openstack, we should have devstack as that is what they are used to | 19:11 |
| miqui | dont we have poppy already containerized? | 19:11 |
| malini | miqui: we need the mimic stuff etc. added | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | miqui: yes, but its been broken for the poppy api service part ever since we moved to using taskfow and workers | 19:12 |
| miqui | ah...i see.. | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | ive been working on fixing that the past couple of days | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | i think im almost done getting it fixed | 19:12 |
| miqui | ah k. | 19:12 |
| malini | it'll be great to have the api tests running at the gate | 19:12 |
| sriram | +1 | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | malini: i agree. for that we need to be able to mimic the providers | 19:12 |
| malini | I am spending quite some time fixing the broken stuff | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | and then run docker with the mimic stuff | 19:12 |
| malini | we can start with one provider? | 19:13 |
| amitgandhinz | ya | 19:13 |
| malini | fastly is already mimic -ked | 19:13 |
| amitgandhinz | might be a good place to start then | 19:13 |
| malini | akamai is almost there | 19:13 |
| amitgandhinz | cool | 19:13 |
| amitgandhinz | ok...moving back on topic | 19:14 |
| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/geo-restrictions | 19:14 |
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| tonytan4ever | This one I would say it's under review | 19:14 |
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| amitgandhinz | updated/ | 19:14 |
| amitgandhinz | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/ip-restrictions | 19:14 |
| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: are you planning on picking this one up> | 19:15 |
| tonytan4ever | I am still waiting for Akamai's feedback on how to implement their policy, but PR is ready for review | 19:15 |
| tonytan4ever | I am getting it started today. | 19:15 |
| tonytan4ever | the IP restriction one. | 19:15 |
| tonytan4ever | So I would say it is in Started status. | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | updated | 19:15 |
| tonytan4ever | k | 19:16 |
| amitgandhinz | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/akamai-ssl-driver | 19:16 |
| amitgandhinz | this one needs some discussion before we can pick it up | 19:16 |
| tonytan4ever | Yeah, next Tuesday we have a design session on it. | 19:16 |
| amitgandhinz | ya | 19:16 |
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| amitgandhinz | bugs | 19:17 |
| amitgandhinz | malini: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1468877 | 19:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1468877 in Poppy "Get the end to end tests running" [Critical,New] - Assigned to Malini Kamalambal (malini-pk) | 19:17 |
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| malini | I am working on tht | 19:17 |
| malini | it isn't as bad | 19:17 |
| amitgandhinz | cool | 19:17 |
| amitgandhinz | ok, anything else in progress we need to talk about? | 19:18 |
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| amitgandhinz | #topic New Items | 19:18 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/poppy_tokyo | 19:18 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Poppy Submission for Tokyo | 19:18 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/poppy_tokyo | 19:18 |
| sriram | I just want to address that https://bugs.launchpad.net/poppy/+bug/1425556 also needs to be worked on | 19:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1425556 in Poppy "dns-exception-handling" [Low,New] | 19:18 |
| sriram | and I'll take it up. | 19:18 |
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| amitgandhinz | assigned | 19:19 |
| amitgandhinz | ok, lets talk about Tokyo | 19:19 |
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| amitgandhinz | the deadline for submissions is July 15 | 19:19 |
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| amitgandhinz | i want to brainstorm our submission(s) | 19:19 |
| amitgandhinz | we can do more than one submission | 19:19 |
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| sriram | the content is going to be more or less the same right? | 19:21 |
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| sriram | do we want showcase something in particular? | 19:22 |
| amitgandhinz | i think we still have a tough job getting mindshare | 19:23 |
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| amitgandhinz | can everyone put their name against their color in the dropdown window | 19:24 |
| * amitgandhinz thinks malini see's me typing before i hit enter | 19:24 | |
| malini | I think thts how it is -rt? | 19:25 |
| tonytan4ever | Where is the etherpad ? | 19:25 |
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| amitgandhinz | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/poppy_tokyo | 19:25 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok i think these are two good submissions | 19:34 |
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| amitgandhinz | i'll tweak these a bit next week and then submit then | 19:34 |
| sriram | ok cool | 19:34 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Open Discussion | 19:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:34 | |
| amitgandhinz | any thing anyone wants to discuss/ | 19:35 |
| sriram | I'm good | 19:35 |
| amitgandhinz | ok if nothing else, then everyone have a great 4th of July weekend! | 19:36 |
| sriram | woot | 19:36 |
| amitgandhinz | #endmeeting | 19:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:37 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 2 19:37:02 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-07-02-19.01.html | 19:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-07-02-19.01.txt | 19:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-07-02-19.01.log.html | 19:37 |
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