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| sgordon | #startmeeting telcowg | 14:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 1 14:02:06 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sgordon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'telcowg' | 14:02 |
| sgordon | #chair mkoderer | 14:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: mkoderer sgordon | 14:02 |
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| mkoderer | hi folks | 14:02 |
| sgordon | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda | 14:02 |
| mkoderer | sorry I was late | 14:02 |
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| sgordon | np | 14:02 |
| cloudon | hi | 14:02 |
| aveiga_ | hello | 14:02 |
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| sgordon | for the benefit of others - it's actually the canada day holiday at my end, so mkoderer has kindly agreed to run the meeting | 14:03 |
| mkoderer | #topic roll call | 14:03 |
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| aveiga | o/ | 14:03 |
| mkoderer | so whos around? | 14:03 |
| smazziotta | Hu | 14:03 |
| smazziotta | Hi | 14:03 |
| cloudon | hi | 14:03 |
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| mkoderer | ok cool | 14:04 |
| mkoderer | #topic Reviews | 14:04 |
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| mkoderer | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:stackforge/telcowg-usecases+status:open,n,z | 14:04 |
| mkoderer | are there any special reviews that we should discuss today? | 14:04 |
| mkoderer | I guess the most important one is: | 14:05 |
| mkoderer | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178347/ | 14:05 |
| mkoderer | e2e workfolow for this group | 14:05 |
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| mkoderer | can we get some more reviews on that document | 14:05 |
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| mkoderer | any other review that somebody wants to bring up? | 14:07 |
| cloudon | if yuri's around, would be good to know if I've addressed his feedback on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179142/ | 14:07 |
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| mkoderer | cloudon: he's not online.. I could give him a call that he should ping you later | 14:09 |
| cloudon | ta. shouldn't be anythign controversial. would be good to get it to merge state. | 14:09 |
| mkoderer | cloudon: yep I will have a look to it too | 14:10 |
| cloudon | thx | 14:10 |
| mkoderer | I think we need to get some more use-cases to the merged state | 14:10 |
| mkoderer | #action mkoderer review on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179142/ | 14:10 |
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| mkoderer | ok cool | 14:11 |
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| cloudon | ditto on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176301/ - think I've addressed all outstanding comments | 14:11 |
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| mkoderer | cloudon: ok cool | 14:12 |
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| mkoderer | I will also ask Ralf to push a new version of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169201/ | 14:12 |
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| mkoderer | #topic Operators mid-cycle | 14:14 |
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| mkoderer | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2015-June/007491.html | 14:14 |
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| mkoderer | ok so we have a ops mid cycle happening | 14:15 |
| mkoderer | we need to have some idea's about topics that we want to contribute | 14:16 |
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| mkoderer | so make sure that you put your ideas to the etherpad | 14:17 |
| mkoderer | #topic Open discussion | 14:17 |
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| mkoderer | it's quite silent today :) | 14:18 |
| aveiga | mkoderer: it's a big holiday week this side of the pond ;) | 14:18 |
| mkoderer | aveiga: ok I see :) | 14:18 |
| smazziotta | I was still lokking at the previous topic.. is the ops mid cycle date and location decided ? | 14:18 |
| aveiga | smazziotta: no, as they're still working it out | 14:19 |
| aveiga | I think Tom mentioned logistics are still under consideration | 14:19 |
| smazziotta | ok thanks | 14:20 |
| mkoderer | ok folks, unless we have other topics I would close this meeting | 14:21 |
| smazziotta | In the open topic discussion. It is a long time I have not attended this team. have we discussed if NFV Orchestration is a valid use case ? or how do we want ti handle it ? | 14:21 |
| mkoderer | smazziotta: NFV orchestartion is a valid use case | 14:22 |
| mkoderer | smazziotta: but the current state is still an etherpad and not use-case review | 14:22 |
| mkoderer | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/telco_orchestration | 14:22 |
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| mkoderer | smazziotta: but anyway I think we need to build a group of intressted parties here | 14:24 |
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| adityav | I have a question about the VNF bring up use case | 14:24 |
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| adityav | Are there any thoughts about how we could handle images which are not cloud init enabled? | 14:25 |
| mkoderer | adityav: sgollub is not around | 14:25 |
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| adityav | ahh - okay. apologies. | 14:26 |
| mkoderer | adityav: but that's a valid questions | 14:26 |
| smazziotta | mkoderer: regarding NFV orchestration...you know that we are interested. my main interest is to standardise the VNF descriptor and the onboarding on VNF. we need to define open API so that we can have opensource and closedsource implementation of an NFVO | 14:26 |
| mkoderer | adityav: I remeber that he has some ideas about it | 14:26 |
| adityav | If we have virtual routers as VNFs, then most likely these images will not be cloud init enabled. | 14:26 |
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| mkoderer | smazziotta: yep, and I am trying to form a team to work excatly on this topic :) | 14:27 |
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| mkoderer | smazziotta: I am currently have a look to Murano to see what we could use there | 14:27 |
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| smazziotta | please bring me to the party :-) | 14:27 |
| aveiga | adityav: there are ways around this, but are dependant on the VNF image | 14:27 |
| jaypipes | gah, sorry guys, late again... | 14:28 |
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| aveiga | in general, the stance has been if it uses cloud-init it's supported. If it doesn't, it should work but you're on your own | 14:28 |
| cloudon | smazziotta: +1 | 14:28 |
| mkoderer | smazziotta: sure, currently I am trying to get interal resources :) | 14:28 |
| mkoderer | but sure, everybody is invited to join | 14:29 |
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| mkoderer | aveiga: not sure how it works with netconf/yang | 14:29 |
| aveiga | mkoderer: pass data at boot time in user scripts | 14:30 |
| aveiga | or bake it into the image, then have something in the image request config | 14:30 |
| aveiga | there are ways :) | 14:30 |
| adityav | aviega: Although the networking aspect (DHCP and such) would be very valid, non- cloud init use cases are a reality and there might be vendors who have VNFs which are not cloud init compatible at all. I was hoping we could have another mechanism of configuration port bring up which we can document | 14:30 |
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| aveiga | adityav: they'd have to use dhcp or metadata or config-drive. That's all OpenStack currently supports | 14:31 |
| adityav | In our deployments, we used netconf over cli to good effect. :) | 14:31 |
| aveiga | if you have an alternative, propose it | 14:31 |
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| mkoderer | adityav: netconf over cli.. how does it work? manually? | 14:32 |
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| adityav | mkoderer: cli over netconf. typo there. We have an ssh connection established and then use xmls in which cli commands are sent in for configuration | 14:33 |
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| cloudon | but that requires SSH up and running - so network, key exchange etc. - how does that happen? | 14:34 |
| adityav | but yes, manually | 14:34 |
| adityav | cloudon: we built pre built images with ssh enabled and assigned floating ips. | 14:35 |
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| mkoderer | adityav: uh... this is something our security team won't allow at all ;) | 14:35 |
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| mkoderer | adityav: you need at least a mechanism to bake a ssh key into your image | 14:36 |
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| adityav | mkoderer: agreed | 14:37 |
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| mkoderer | adityav: but anyway put your comment to the review if you like | 14:38 |
| adityav | mkoderer: will do | 14:39 |
| mkoderer | ok nice :) | 14:39 |
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| mkoderer | smazziotta: regarding NFV orchestration - I hope I can focus on that topic during the next weeks | 14:40 |
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| mkoderer | all right | 14:40 |
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| mkoderer | anything else? | 14:41 |
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| smazziotta | mkoderer: no from my side | 14:42 |
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| mkoderer | thanks to all :) | 14:42 |
| adityav | thank you :) | 14:42 |
| mkoderer | happy holiday sgordon and all others :) | 14:42 |
| mkoderer | #endmeeting | 14:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 1 14:42:42 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:42 |
| smazziotta | thanks to you. it is a hard task to replace sgordon :-) | 14:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-07-01-14.02.html | 14:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-07-01-14.02.txt | 14:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-07-01-14.02.log.html | 14:42 |
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| rkukura | hi ML2’ers | 16:00 |
| yamamoto | hi | 16:00 |
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| yamahata | hello | 16:01 |
| Sukhdev | hello | 16:01 |
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| manishg | hi | 16:02 |
| rkukura | we’ll start in a moment | 16:03 |
| rkukura | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 1 16:04:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rkukura. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:04 |
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| rkukura | #topic Agenda | 16:04 |
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| rkukura | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_July_1.2C_2015 | 16:04 |
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| rkukura | Would anyone like to add anything to today’s agenda? | 16:05 |
| rkukura | #topic Announcements | 16:05 |
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| * rkukura doesn’t have any announcements - does anyone else? | 16:06 | |
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| rkukura | #topic Action Items | 16:07 |
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| rkukura | I started an eitherpad on the ML2 coding sprint, which we’ll get to in the later in the agenda | 16:07 |
| rkukura | banix: Any update on the modular agent proposal? | 16:07 |
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| banix | i sent the email out | 16:08 |
| banix | the response was overall positive | 16:08 |
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| banix | with Kyle saying its probably late for this cycle but there were support for the work | 16:08 |
| banix | sean opened an rfe | 16:09 |
| banix | sean collins | 16:09 |
| banix | but there hasnt been much discussion there last i checked | 16:09 |
| rkukura | banix: Thanks! Is an incremental approach possible? | 16:10 |
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| banix | rkukura: that’s what is being suggested. have to take a fresh look again | 16:10 |
| yamamoto | banix: did you looked at agent extension manager stuff? | 16:10 |
| banix | yamamoto: no i haven’t | 16:11 |
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| yamamoto | it seems like a step to similar direction | 16:12 |
| Sukhdev | yamamoto: any link? | 16:12 |
| yamamoto | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195439/ | 16:12 |
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| yamamoto | and its parent/child patches | 16:12 |
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| rkukura | silly MacOS just killed all my apps trying to install updates :( | 16:14 |
| rkukura | #chairs Sukhdev | 16:14 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: Opps - | 16:14 |
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| Sukhdev | yamamoto: Thanks for the link | 16:15 |
| rkukura | Was able to cancel colloquy from shutting down, so I think I’m OK | 16:15 |
| Sukhdev | yamamoto: did a quick browsing - looks interesting | 16:15 |
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| Sukhdev | #chairs rkukura | 16:16 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: back to you | 16:16 |
| rkukura | OK | 16:16 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: Just wanted to make sure you could take over if I dropped out | 16:16 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: sure I will | 16:16 |
| Sukhdev | no worries | 16:16 |
| rkukura | Should we continue to track/discuss modular agent on the ML2 meeting agendas going forward? | 16:17 |
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| Sukhdev | I think so - banix ? | 16:17 |
| banix | Sukhdev: sure; i hope to catch up this weekend | 16:18 |
| rkukura | OK | 16:18 |
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| rkukura | I don’t see asomya or shivharis | 16:19 |
| rkukura | They have an action regarding physical topology | 16:19 |
| rkukura | We’ll get back to that next week | 16:20 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: in the last meeting asoumya mentioned they will be ready for phisical topology work in ML2 sprint | 16:20 |
| Sukhdev | I wonder if that is still the case | 16:20 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: good question - lets get back to that later in the agenda | 16:20 |
| rkukura | #topic Neutron Mid-cycle sprint recap | 16:20 |
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| rkukura | I tried but couldn’t make this, but I know Sukhdev did | 16:21 |
| Sukhdev | Yes - I attended for two days | 16:21 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Can you summarize what happened there regarding ML2? | 16:21 |
| Sukhdev | I went there for the ML2 plugin decomposition effort | 16:22 |
| Sukhdev | We discussed about it - and I asked my favorite question - i.e. ROI for the effort | 16:22 |
| Sukhdev | i.e. why do we want to do it and what do gain out of it, etc. | 16:22 |
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| Sukhdev | and I also raised concern that we may end up breaking lots of things | 16:23 |
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| Sukhdev | folks agreed that there was a possibility of lots of breakages - so, we decided to take two phase approach | 16:23 |
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| Sukhdev | Phase 1 - is to keep everything in the tree, but, move everything into separate directories | 16:24 |
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| Sukhdev | we decided to call Phase 1 as pre-decomposition phase | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | we wanted to make sure nothing smokes with code restructure | 16:24 |
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| Sukhdev | if all works well with phase 1, then we will decide with phase - 2 - i.e. actually move all the restructured code out | 16:25 |
| Sukhdev | or we may decide not to do phase 2 | 16:25 |
| Sukhdev | so, all the effort was on phase 1 | 16:25 |
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| Sukhdev | Kyle was working on the spec for phase 1 | 16:25 |
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| Sukhdev | BTW, this means all the L2 agents as well as core plugin | 16:26 |
| Sukhdev | That is all about this | 16:26 |
| rkukura | Would phase 1 have any impact on patches under development or in review, other than needing to rebase? It seems phase 2 would be an issue for these, but not phase 1. | 16:26 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: correct | 16:27 |
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| rkukura | anything else from the neutron mid-cycle? Were any others there? | 16:28 |
| Sukhdev | there were bunch of people - | 16:29 |
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| Sukhdev | see here - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-liberty-mid-cycle | 16:29 |
| rkukura | Do you see ML2 impact from any of the other efforts? | 16:30 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: How about “get me a network” and “routed networks”? | 16:31 |
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| Sukhdev | not really - there are two specs | 16:32 |
| rkukura | Sounds like this sprint involved more planning than coding | 16:32 |
| Sukhdev | yes - those two may have some impact - but, I do not believe there will be anything significant - | 16:32 |
| Sukhdev | most likely, they will use Core plugin as opposed to making too many changes to it | 16:32 |
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| rkukura | Is there still concensus that mid-cycle coding sprints are productive? | 16:33 |
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| Sukhdev | I believe they are :-) | 16:33 |
| rkukura | Thanks Sukhdev! Anything else on the neutron mid-cycle before we move on to the ML2 mid-cycle? | 16:34 |
| Sukhdev | at the end of second day mestery did a round table about the achievements - everybody seem to believe it was very productve | 16:34 |
| Sukhdev | lets move on | 16:35 |
| rkukura | #topic ML2 Mid-cycle Sprint | 16:35 |
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| rkukura | I started an etherpad for this at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Neutron_ML2_Mid-Cycle_Sprint | 16:36 |
| rkukura | It looks like July 13 and 14 is possible, or else early September | 16:36 |
| rkukura | If we are going to do July, we need to finallize this right away so people can arrange travel | 16:36 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: july 13 is week after next | 16:37 |
| rkukura | I still don’t see asomya, and he was one of the people planning to travel for it | 16:37 |
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| Sukhdev | I can do it - but. for travelers it may be a short notice | 16:38 |
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| rkukura | Week after next is getting kind of tight. I have the OK to do it, but would want to book it today before heading out for a bit of PTO. | 16:38 |
| Sukhdev | I have not seen anything on physical topology | 16:38 |
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| Sukhdev | asoumya wanted to add it to the sprint | 16:39 |
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| Sukhdev | I lined up a guy at Arista who could help as well - but. we need a firm plan | 16:40 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: if we did it in sept, it gives everybody more time to regroup | 16:41 |
| Sukhdev | considering this is a short week, most people are on PTO - hence, asoumya and shivharis missing as well :-) | 16:41 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: Agreed, but it also makes it less likely to get significant patches into liberty. | 16:41 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: correct - we risk pushing it to M-cycle | 16:42 |
| rkukura | Maybe we can make significant progress between now and September, and finish up then? | 16:42 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: I think we can push the RFE now and get the approval for it | 16:43 |
| Sukhdev | manishg: are you here? | 16:43 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: It sounds like your preference would be to do the mid-cycle in September. | 16:43 |
| mestery | Just a note that doign it in September is really late-cycle, and we'll be in feature freeze then. | 16:43 |
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| mestery | FYI in case that affects what you're planning on working on | 16:44 |
| rkukura | mestery: Agreed | 16:44 |
| Sukhdev | mestery: thanks - good point | 16:44 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: I am OK with july 13 as well - but, folks are not here to finalize - | 16:45 |
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| manishg | sorry got disconnected for a couple of minutes... | 16:46 |
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| Sukhdev | manishg: ah ha - was looking for you :-) | 16:46 |
| rkukura | manishg: We are debating 7/13 vs September for the sprint | 16:46 |
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| manishg | yeah, I saw that discussion. anything is fine with me. | 16:47 |
| rkukura | Ignoring the topology effort for the moment, is there anyone who would really want to participate on the synchronization efforts, but can’t be in San Jose 7/13 and 7/14? | 16:47 |
| Sukhdev | manishg: will you be able make arrangements to host on july 13th? | 16:47 |
| manishg | looks like asoumya hasn't responded and he wanted to be part of it (based on your previous comment). right? | 16:47 |
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| manishg | Sukhdev: yes I can make the arrangements. if it's not too tight for folks. looks like it might be tight for rkukura ... | 16:48 |
| rkukura | kevinbenton: From your mail, looks like you’d attend but 6/13 could be problematic. Are you here? | 16:49 |
| rkukura | I mean 7/13 of course | 16:49 |
| rkukura | OK, looks like 7/13 and 7/14 are a possibility. Anyone who is interested in participating, please update the etherpad. | 16:51 |
| rkukura | We can continue via email among those planning to attend. | 16:51 |
| manishg | rkukura: sounds good. | 16:51 |
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| rkukura | #topic Discussion on binding_profile_type to facilitate filtering of Ironic ports or using device_owner | 16:52 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: go ahead | 16:52 |
| Sukhdev | thanks | 16:52 |
| kevinbenton | rkukura: hey | 16:52 |
| kevinbenton | rkukura: 7/13? | 16:52 |
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| Sukhdev | So, as you know we are working on Ironic/neutron integration | 16:52 |
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| Sukhdev | kevinbenton rkukura : I will let you finish that conversation | 16:53 |
| rkukura | kevinbenton: Are you in the San Jose area and available 7/13 and 7/14? | 16:53 |
| manishg | kevinbenton: rkukura was asking if you can make it on 7/13, 7/14 for ml2 sprint (at yahoo office in sunnyvale) | 16:53 |
| kevinbenton | rkukura: sorry, i can't make 7/13 because i'm flying to montana for two weeks on 7/10 | 16:53 |
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| rkukura | Lets continue trying to schedule that via email, and let Sukhdev discuss his topic | 16:54 |
| manishg | kevinbenton: would sept. be preferable to you (and would like to push this out => you want to attent)? | 16:54 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: thanks | 16:54 |
| kevinbenton | rkukura: sounds good, sorry for interupting Sukhdev! | 16:54 |
| manishg | rkukura: ok, let's proceed via email. | 16:54 |
| Sukhdev | so, continuing - there is a requirement from the neutron/ML2 side to be able to filter on Ironic ports | 16:54 |
| Sukhdev | we had considered few possibilities - | 16:55 |
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| Sukhdev | using "host" field in the ml2-biniding | 16:55 |
| Sukhdev | we also considered using device_owner: | 16:55 |
| rkukura | Using device_owner kind of makes sense to me | 16:56 |
| Sukhdev | currently nova sets it to "compute:<zone>" - we considered using it to say "compute:ironic" | 16:56 |
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| kevinbenton | Sukhdev: the issue is that binding:profile is a json blob in the db so it can't be filtered? | 16:56 |
| Sukhdev | but, that sound problematic | 16:56 |
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| Sukhdev | kevinbenton:correct - hence, we are looking for possible solutions | 16:56 |
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| kevinbenton | Sukhdev: ack, what is the issue with using a different device owner? | 16:57 |
| Sukhdev | kevinbenton rkukura : so, one possibility is to create a new field under ml2_port_binding | 16:57 |
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| Sukhdev | and call it something like binding_profile_type and set it to "ironic" | 16:57 |
| Sukhdev | kevinbenton: the way Nova uses the zones - there may be a conflict | 16:58 |
| rkukura | Would setting device_owner to something like “compute/ironic:<zone>” be any less problematic? | 16:58 |
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| Sukhdev | nova has no notion of ironic or virt stuff | 16:58 |
| Sukhdev | it is all compute to nova | 16:58 |
| Sukhdev | there is absolutely no distinction in mova - it is all compute (BM or VM) | 16:59 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: I wouldn’t rule out the binding_profile_type idea, but I kind of think of the binding:profile as being open-ended, able to hold different kinds of info, so a single type might be constraining | 16:59 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: the idea is to use binding-profile for the blob of info, but, have a separate field to say that this binding-profile is of type Ironic | 17:00 |
| kevinbenton | we could also manually filter in ML2 as a temporary workaround | 17:00 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: There is also a binding:vnic_type attirubute that might make some sense to flag ironic | 17:01 |
| Sukhdev | kevinbenton: yes, but, it will be better to have cleaner solution if possibel | 17:01 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: I looked at that field - it is used by vmware only | 17:01 |
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| rkukura | In a sense, ironic is a special VNIC type in that its not a virtual NIC, but a physical NIC | 17:02 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: but, was not sure who else might be using - so, thought if we added a new field, there will be no conflicts - | 17:02 |
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| rkukura | The ML2 plugin implements binding:vnic_type and triggers rebinding if its changed. I think SR-IOV uses it. | 17:02 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: so, you think that will be a good idea? | 17:02 |
| rkukura | We are overtime | 17:02 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura kevinbenton : can you switch to the neutron channel to finish this discussion | 17:03 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: I think you should consider binding:vnic_type for this. But we need to finish up for the next meeting. | 17:03 |
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| rkukura | Anything else before we wrap up? | 17:03 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: yes, lets move over to neutron channel, please | 17:04 |
| Sukhdev | free up this channel | 17:04 |
| rkukura | Thanks everyone! | 17:04 |
| rkukura | #endmeeting | 17:04 |
| yamamoto | bye | 17:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 1 17:04:17 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-07-01-16.04.html | 17:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-07-01-16.04.txt | 17:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-07-01-16.04.log.html | 17:04 |
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| Kiall | FYI - skipping the Designate meet this week. | 17:05 |
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| SlickNik | #startmeeting trove | 17:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 1 17:59:57 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:59 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:00 |
| cp16net | what up yall | 18:00 |
| sushilkm | hello everyone | 18:00 |
| vkmc | hi hi o/ | 18:00 |
| SlickNik | hey Trove team! | 18:00 |
| dougshelley66 | o/ | 18:00 |
| SlickNik | Agenda for today's meeting is at: | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 18:01 |
| shayneburgess_ | Hey all | 18:01 |
| ashleighfarnham | heyo | 18:01 |
| edmondk | o/ | 18:01 |
| abramley | o/ | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | Alright, let's get started. | 18:02 |
| SlickNik | #topic Trove pulse update | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Trove pulse update (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:02 | |
| SlickNik | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-pulse-update | 18:02 |
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| cp16net | looks like this past week we did quite a few more reviews | 18:03 |
| SlickNik | yup ~182 overall reviews — thanks to everyone for putting in the time to do reviews. | 18:04 |
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| cp16net | not as many merged | 18:04 |
| dougshelley66 | right - that's what i noticed | 18:04 |
| annashen | o/ | 18:04 |
| dougshelley66 | the queue seems to be lengthening | 18:04 |
| cp16net | yeah | 18:04 |
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| sushilkm | almost 2 per day | 18:04 |
| sushilkm | queue growth | 18:04 |
| SlickNik | There were 3 some that merged late last night after I pulled the numbers. | 18:05 |
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| SlickNik | But yes, overall we do have fewer merges this week. | 18:05 |
| cp16net | on the other hand it looks like there are less waiting on reviewer tho | 18:06 |
| SlickNik | (which in and of itself might not be a problem for one given week). | 18:06 |
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| SlickNik | But something to watch out for as a trend. | 18:06 |
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| cp16net | i'd expect this coming week to possibly be less being a holiday weekend for the states | 18:07 |
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| dougshelley66 | cp16net it's a holiday today in Canada | 18:07 |
| dougshelley66 | which is why most of the Tesora gang isn't here | 18:07 |
| cp16net | say what? | 18:07 |
| cp16net | you workin? | 18:07 |
| cp16net | :-P | 18:07 |
| cp16net | ahh... | 18:07 |
| SlickNik | dougshelley66: ah that explains the attendance :) | 18:07 |
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| SlickNik | Let's keep an eye out for that merge rate over the next few weeks. | 18:08 |
| SlickNik | Any other questions/comments? | 18:08 |
| SlickNik | Let's move on, quite a bit to cover for today's meeting. | 18:09 |
| cp16net | looks like good progress great work | 18:09 |
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| SlickNik | cp16net: ++ | 18:09 |
| sushilkm | +1 | 18:09 |
| SlickNik | keep those reviews flowing | 18:09 |
| vkmc | cp16net++ :) | 18:09 |
| SlickNik | #topic Liberty Mid-cycle sprint | 18:09 |
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| SlickNik | So I've added a lot more details for the Trove Liberty Mid cycle sprint at: | 18:10 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/TroveLibertySprint | 18:10 |
| sushilkm | schedule looks older one :P | 18:10 |
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| dougshelley66 | i'm having this deja vu on the agenda :) | 18:10 |
| pmackinn | lol | 18:11 |
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| SlickNik | dougshelley66: I'm still working on the agenda :) | 18:11 |
| SlickNik | Actually, I have an updated one — I missed updating the wiki page. | 18:11 |
| dougshelley66 | SlickNik np - it actually took me a while to realize that :) | 18:11 |
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| cp16net | lol i just realized its linked to the kilo stuff ;-P | 18:12 |
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| SlickNik | refresh that page, and you should have a tentative agenda for the Liberty (not Kilo) sprint linked to the new etherpad pages. | 18:13 |
| sushilkm | awesome | 18:13 |
| vkmc | sweet | 18:14 |
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| sushilkm | so quick :D | 18:14 |
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| SlickNik | sushilkm: I'm quick like that :) | 18:14 |
| pmackinn | thank god breakfast still made it in there | 18:14 |
| sushilkm | (y) | 18:14 |
| cp16net | make sure to register :) | 18:15 |
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| cp16net | or no food for you ... :-D | 18:15 |
| SlickNik | We still have a couple of slots open — so if there's a topic that you'd like to cover, let me know and we can get it on the schedule. | 18:15 |
| SlickNik | Oh, yeah thanks for the reminder cp16net | 18:15 |
| SlickNik | There's a link to the evite page on the wiki as well. | 18:15 |
| SlickNik | For folks to register. | 18:16 |
| SlickNik | So I can get a headcount, and more importantly dietary restrictions and tshirt sizes | 18:16 |
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| SlickNik | #link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/trove-mid-cycle-sprint-liberty-tickets-17600134476 | 18:16 |
| cp16net | is there a design for the shirts? | 18:16 |
| SlickNik | cp16net: Not as yet | 18:17 |
| SlickNik | If you have ideas for the design, please send them to me! | 18:17 |
| SlickNik | #info Folks who will be attending the Trove Liberty mid-cycle sprint please register at https://www.eventbrite.com/e/trove-mid-cycle-sprint-liberty-tickets-17600134476 | 18:18 |
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| dougshelley66 | also anyone coming out for mid-cycle is invited to Trove Day - it is the day before | 18:19 |
| dougshelley66 | http://www.tesora.com/troveday/2015-openstack-trove-day/ | 18:19 |
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| dougshelley66 | I believe there is free drinks... | 18:19 |
| SlickNik | ah yes, thanks for the reminder dougshelley66! | 18:19 |
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| sushilkm | thats gud one "The trove day" | 18:20 |
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| shayneburgess_ | Doug, do you want everyone to sign-up for Trove Day on that EventBrite site as well? | 18:20 |
| dougshelley66 | yes - i believe so | 18:20 |
| ashleighfarnham | link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/trove-day-2015-tickets-16502193505 | 18:21 |
| SlickNik | Thanks ashleighfarnham! | 18:21 |
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| SlickNik | #link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/trove-day-2015-tickets-16502193505 | 18:21 |
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| SlickNik | ashleighfarnham: works better with a # (The meeting bot will know what to do when it generates meeting minutes for us in that way) | 18:22 |
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| SlickNik | any other questions / comments related to the mid-cycle or trove-day? | 18:23 |
| SlickNik | . | 18:23 |
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| SlickNik | #topic Lightweight monitoring framework | 18:23 |
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| SlickNik | vkmc: around? | 18:23 |
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| vkmc | here :) | 18:23 |
| vkmc | thanks SlickNik | 18:23 |
| vkmc | so, during the design session we discussed about adding a monitoring framework | 18:24 |
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| vkmc | and I said I wanted to work on that | 18:24 |
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| vkmc | I have been a little slow on get some implementation options and such | 18:24 |
| vkmc | but I did that in this etherpad | 18:24 |
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| vkmc | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-monitoring | 18:25 |
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| vkmc | amrith worked on the spec, so I assumed maybe Tesora folks have some feedback on the ways we can implement that | 18:26 |
| vkmc | so we can have a useful feature without adding too much complexity | 18:26 |
| SlickNik | Thanks for compiling that info about the monitoring options, and pros and cons of each approach. | 18:26 |
| * SlickNik is reading through the etherpad page. | 18:26 | |
| vkmc | and of course, apart from Tesora folks, our community feedback and thoughts :) | 18:26 |
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| vkmc | maybe we can discuss more about this in the channel, after you have some time to check the etherpad, but I wanted to bring it up now so everybody is aware of that feature | 18:27 |
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| dougshelley66 | vkmc, we are definitely interested in this | 18:28 |
| vkmc | dougshelley66, awesome! | 18:28 |
| dougshelley66 | vkmc but as i mentioned earlier most of the crew is off - i don't see amrith here atm | 18:28 |
| sushilkm | this wud surely help managing the guest instances | 18:28 |
| vkmc | yeah | 18:28 |
| SlickNik | So I think maybe something like what you propose in your third bullet point (Monitoring strategies) works well with what is being proposed in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186040 (monitoring framework). | 18:28 |
| cp16net | i think this is an important feature thanks for pulling the info together | 18:29 |
| SlickNik | dougshelley66 / vkmc: Yes, perhaps we can have a bit more of a detailed discussion when other folks are around as well. | 18:29 |
| vkmc | SlickNik, yeah I think that too... I think its the sanest approach | 18:29 |
| shayneburgess_ | +1 to Slicks point. It's going to be a problem if we pick a particular monitoring solution and hard code to that | 18:29 |
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| vkmc | but still, I got some feedback from operators, and they use monitoring solutions like Nagios/Zabbix/Cacti | 18:30 |
| shayneburgess_ | I think we have to make it possible to plug in something like Nagios but supporting only Nagios seems heavy handed. Especially considering Monasca is the "OpenStack" monitoring solution | 18:31 |
| cp16net | yeah i know of people using other monitoring solutions like in house solutions | 18:31 |
| vkmc | yeah, agree shayneburgess_++ | 18:31 |
| SlickNik | vkmc: Yes, but I think if we go with the third approach, there's nothing preventing someone from extending the guest with a ZabbixMySQL strategy, for example. | 18:31 |
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| vkmc | Percona provides a set of plugins that would allow us to write strategies for monitoring | 18:31 |
| vkmc | with Nagios/Zabbix/Cacti | 18:32 |
| vkmc | at least for mysql | 18:32 |
| vkmc | SlickNik, true that | 18:32 |
| shayneburgess_ | I think whatever we come up with, we should maybe include a section at the end of the design that explains how you would plug both Nagios and Monasca into it | 18:32 |
| shayneburgess_ | then we can feel reasonably confident we have a solution that solves the problem for the majority of operators | 18:33 |
| vkmc | sounds good | 18:33 |
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| SlickNik | Okay, vkmc do you want to take point and drive this design discussion with amrith, me and other interested folks? | 18:33 |
| shayneburgess_ | Ashleigh might be able to help there. She has been looking at Monasca a lot lately | 18:33 |
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| vkmc | SlickNik, sure thing | 18:33 |
| dougshelley66 | and vgnbkr | 18:34 |
| vkmc | oh that would be awesome shayneburgess_ | 18:34 |
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| vkmc | great! :) | 18:34 |
| SlickNik | ++ to input from ashleighfarnham on monasca. | 18:34 |
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| ashleighfarnham | will do | 18:35 |
| vkmc | cool, we can sync up tomorrow in #openstack-trove | 18:35 |
| SlickNik | #action vkmc to take point on having further conversations with interested parties on the design of how to proceed with the trove monitoring framework | 18:35 |
| SlickNik | vkmc: Sounds like a good plan | 18:35 |
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| SlickNik | Thanks! | 18:36 |
| vkmc | thanks! | 18:36 |
| SlickNik | #topic Trove-compatible images creation automation | 18:36 |
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| vkmc | that's me again | 18:36 |
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| vkmc | I know that you probably have heard about this several times | 18:37 |
| vkmc | we always have people in #openstack-trove having problems with the images they manually create | 18:37 |
| vkmc | and we redirect them to use trove-integration script to create their images | 18:37 |
| vkmc | while this is a good solution, I noticed two things | 18:38 |
| vkmc | - its packed in a bigger script | 18:38 |
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| vkmc | so users need to get a lots of bits that they don't need to build their images | 18:38 |
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| vkmc | - the images that they can create with that script are for testing purposes only | 18:38 |
| vkmc | - there are elements for ubuntu and fedora only | 18:39 |
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| vkmc | (that makes... three things hehe) | 18:39 |
| vkmc | so, I was wondering if it would make sense to take an approach similar to Sahara | 18:39 |
| vkmc | and create a trove-image-elements script | 18:39 |
| vkmc | s/script/project | 18:40 |
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| pmackinn | vkmc, +1 (says the guy from red hat) | 18:40 |
| vkmc | what are your thoughts about this? | 18:41 |
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| SlickNik | Just thinking about this. | 18:41 |
| abramley | are you proposing to move the trove-image-elements into a separate repo similar to sahara ? | 18:41 |
| pmackinn | would be nice to have a common location for DIB elements too outside of redstack | 18:42 |
| vkmc | no need to rush though | 18:42 |
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| SlickNik | Moving it out to a separate project would help 1., but doesn't address 2. and 3. though. | 18:42 |
| cp16net | my first thought is will this cause problems trying to test them with a separate project? | 18:42 |
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| cp16net | i think it probably would | 18:42 |
| cp16net | but i dont think thats a strong reason to keep them together | 18:42 |
| tosky | 2. can be addressed as part of the process (cleaning them up) | 18:42 |
| abramley | there are also elements already in tripleo-image-elements | 18:42 |
| vkmc | SlickNik, 2. can be addressed if we create the proper elements and 3. will come with contributors creating their elements for their distros | 18:43 |
| sushilkm | there is one more problem related to image-creation, that trove-integration is not branched based, so many number of times it makes problematic to create image for older releases | 18:43 |
| abramley | i don't think have another repo for trove ones makes sense - it will complicate testing and reviews more | 18:43 |
| tosky | 3. having them in a central place would help merging back the elements which vkmc worked on for Fedora, CentOS and RHEL | 18:43 |
| tosky | sushilkm: having a properly branches trove-image-generation or trove-image-elements project would help, as people could rely on a specific branch | 18:44 |
| SlickNik | the main hurdle I see with trying to address 2. is that in order to build a production-like image, we'd have to know how exactly is Trove deployed in their production environment. | 18:44 |
| tosky | abramley: it didn't complicate testing for sahara at all | 18:44 |
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| pmackinn | SlickNik, but people would customize the elements accorcdingly | 18:44 |
| vkmc | IMO trove-integration as is makes sense for development environments | 18:45 |
| tosky | SlickNik: but detaching from the big integration script would help define which are the specific parts needed by testing (define clear interfaces) | 18:45 |
| vkmc | but right now we don't have anything, apart from documentation, that helps our uses to create their images | 18:45 |
| vkmc | and having a well-built image is an important part of having Trove working | 18:45 |
| tosky | well, and even documentation could get some extra love... | 18:45 |
| vkmc | s/uses/users | 18:45 |
| SlickNik | tosky: ++ on better docs | 18:46 |
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| vkmc | tosky ++ | 18:46 |
| SlickNik | cp16net: I don't think that we'll run into many issues in trove-integration if we separate the image-elements out - using the ELEMENTS_PATH for diskimage-builder works fairly well. | 18:47 |
| cp16net | ok | 18:47 |
| pmackinn | SlickNik, +1 | 18:47 |
| vkmc | I have worked on a script, similar (very very small in comparison) to the sahara-image-elements | 18:48 |
| cp16net | it sounds like there are more benifits if we did move them to its owe repo | 18:48 |
| vkmc | that uses the ELEMENT_PATH for diskimage-builder | 18:48 |
| vkmc | and its working as expected | 18:48 |
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| SlickNik | Yeah, I'm not averse to this idea — I do think it will simplify life for folks who are _just_ trying to build images. | 18:48 |
| pmackinn | in fact, redstack could invoke the separate project for "kick-start mysql" | 18:48 |
| pmackinn | e.g. | 18:48 |
| cp16net | yeah i think the bigger issue is docs to create a good image | 18:49 |
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| vkmc | we can discuss about this further in the upcoming days, and if the community agrees, create an stackforge project | 18:50 |
| SlickNik | vkmc: Okay, let's do this. Can we simultaneously get a project up and running with the trove-image-elements and build script. | 18:50 |
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| pmackinn | i like the idea of automation for baseline images, then docs etc. for production considerations | 18:50 |
| SlickNik | Once that project is able to build images successfully we can look at pulling out the functionality from trove-integration and replacing it with images from this new project. | 18:51 |
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| vkmc | SlickNik, sounds good! | 18:51 |
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| SlickNik | (it sounds like you've already started looking into some of this) | 18:51 |
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| vkmc | I did yes | 18:52 |
| vkmc | :) | 18:52 |
| cp16net | sounds good | 18:52 |
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| SlickNik | Okay — sounds like we have a plan. Thanks! | 18:52 |
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| vkmc | cool! | 18:52 |
| vkmc | thanks | 18:53 |
| SlickNik | We've still got another item to cover on the agenda, so let's keep going. | 18:53 |
| SlickNik | #topic MariaDB guestagent implementation | 18:53 |
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| vkmc | ... and that's me again | 18:53 |
| dougshelley66 | vkmc i presume this would be dependent on the spec that atomic was working on | 18:54 |
| vkmc | yes, exactly | 18:54 |
| vkmc | I dunno what is the status on that | 18:54 |
| vkmc | but certainly this will depend on atomic's refactor | 18:54 |
| dougshelley66 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168083/ | 18:54 |
| SlickNik | So if I understand correctly, once atomic is done with the refactoring this is the work item to ensure that MariaDB works on top of that? | 18:54 |
| dougshelley66 | the spec has merged | 18:54 |
| vkmc | thanks | 18:54 |
| vkmc | yeah! | 18:55 |
| dougshelley66 | he is starting to work on that | 18:55 |
| vkmc | I have been testing how well MariaDB behaves with the MySQL guestagent implementation | 18:55 |
| vkmc | and unfortunately, while they are similar, the results weren't very good | 18:55 |
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| pmackinn | dougshelley66, will that sub-divide the mysql family and refactor common code? | 18:56 |
| dougshelley66 | pmackinn yes i believe so | 18:56 |
| vkmc | and that is a problem because both RHEL and SUSE distributions use MariaDB as their default MySQL implementation | 18:56 |
| SlickNik | pmackinn: That's the idea | 18:56 |
| SlickNik | vkmc: Yes, this sounds really good to me. | 18:56 |
| dougshelley66 | we have done some work to get maria 5.5 and 10 working on ubuntu/centos and rhel | 18:56 |
| dougshelley66 | but those changes are really mergeable because the right way to fix maria is that mysql guest refactor | 18:56 |
| pmackinn | ack | 18:57 |
| SlickNik | vkmc: I'm really curious to know what results you found, and what the differences were. | 18:57 |
| cp16net | i am as well | 18:57 |
| vkmc | sure thing | 18:57 |
| vkmc | I should write them down | 18:57 |
| cp16net | might be os differences | 18:57 |
| vkmc | but making it briefly | 18:57 |
| vkmc | most trivial operations work as expected | 18:57 |
| pmackinn | mariadb 5.5 doesn't fully support repl v2 | 18:58 |
| vkmc | CRUD for users and databases I mean | 18:58 |
| dougshelley66 | pmackinn it can't | 18:58 |
| cp16net | i recall using the mysql agent to work with mariadb on debain | 18:58 |
| dougshelley66 | that was in the spec | 18:58 |
| cp16net | but might have made some minor changes | 18:58 |
| cp16net | i dont recall | 18:58 |
| vkmc | but in mariadb10, the GTID implementation is completely different to the mysql 5.6 implementation | 18:58 |
| dougshelley66 | vkmc that is correct | 18:58 |
| dougshelley66 | and it hasn't been implremented yet | 18:58 |
| vkmc | yeah, in mariadb 5.5 we have binlog replication and, with some extra configurations, it works as expected | 18:59 |
| cp16net | oh so replication stuffs | 18:59 |
| SlickNik | vkmc: Yes — that would have to be solved using a new MariaGTIDReplication strategy, I believe. | 18:59 |
| vkmc | SlickNik, indeed | 18:59 |
| dougshelley66 | SlickNik, vkmc, | 18:59 |
| dougshelley66 | but that strategy can't be implemented until the manager is refactored | 18:59 |
| vkmc | dougshelley66, agree | 18:59 |
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| dougshelley66 | i can't remember the exact reason why, but i recall vgnbkr talking about it | 18:59 |
| SlickNik | vkmc / dougshelley66: yup, with you on that. | 18:59 |
| vkmc | dougshelley66, I'll follow up with atomic tomorrow, he probably can give me some details on that | 19:00 |
| dougshelley66 | vkmc, certianly - i'm sure i will be talking to him as well :) | 19:00 |
| vkmc | and, if we can get that refactor and the community is ok on getting a MariaDB strategy for Liberty, I'm willing to work on that | 19:00 |
| vkmc | (that's reason why I submitted the topic in this meeting :) | 19:01 |
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| dougshelley66 | vkmc, sounds like you are going to be busy :) | 19:01 |
| vkmc | yes :o | 19:01 |
| vkmc | certainly | 19:01 |
| SlickNik | vkmc: Sounds good to me. | 19:02 |
| vkmc | cool! | 19:02 |
| SlickNik | I'm glad to see that we're working to get a better MariaDB story given that it's now the default on RedHat and SUSE. :) | 19:02 |
| vkmc | yeah :D | 19:03 |
| SlickNik | Okay and with that, we're officially over time. | 19:03 |
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| SlickNik | If you have open items for discussion, let's take it to #openstack-trove. | 19:03 |
| SlickNik | #endmeeting | 19:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 1 19:03:46 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-07-01-17.59.html | 19:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-07-01-17.59.txt | 19:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-07-01-17.59.log.html | 19:03 |
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| SlickNik | Thanks all! | 19:03 |
| cp16net | thx! | 19:04 |
| vkmc | thanks all, sorry for the items overflow | 19:04 |
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| SlickNik | vkmc: No apologies needed - that's what the meeting is for. It's good to get clarification on them. | 19:06 |
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| vkmc | SlickNik, thanks :) | 19:06 |
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| madhu_ak | #openstack-meeting-alt.. I see you are already there :) | 19:58 |
| xgerman | yep | 19:58 |
| madhu_ak | oops, sorry, I posted wrong channel | 19:59 |
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| xgerman | #startmeeting Octavia | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 1 20:00:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xgerman. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:00 |
| rm_work | o/ | 20:00 |
| ajmiller_ | o/ | 20:00 |
| madhu_ak | hi | 20:00 |
| Aish | o/ | 20:00 |
| xgerman | #topic Announcements | 20:00 |
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| xgerman | CfP Tokyo Summit | 20:00 |
| xgerman | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/call-for-speakers/manage/3647/summary | 20:00 |
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| xgerman | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Octavia-Tokyo-Talks | 20:01 |
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| xgerman | Ok, I think only two weeks left so if you have a talk make sure to submit :-) | 20:01 |
| madhu_ak | yes, fnaval and myself proposed for a talk and it is added in the etherpad..so checking whether the community is okay with it | 20:01 |
| fnaval | o/ | 20:02 |
| xgerman | yep, "Hands on Lab: Learn how to exercise and create tempest tests for OpenStack Neutron LBaaS V2" | 20:02 |
| xgerman | even if we like it doesn’t mean it gets accepted + you can submit talks we don’t like, too | 20:02 |
| xgerman | #chair blogan | 20:03 |
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| openstack | Current chairs: blogan xgerman | 20:03 |
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| madhu_ak | okay, sounds good. will submit them maybe on monday | 20:03 |
| blogan | hello! | 20:03 |
| mwang2 | hi | 20:03 |
| xgerman | hi | 20:03 |
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| xgerman | blogan + dougwig what’s your take on talk proposals | 20:03 |
| xgerman | ? | 20:03 |
| xgerman | just submit and see if it sticks? | 20:04 |
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| TrevorV | o/ | 20:04 |
| TrevorV | late hiya | 20:04 |
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| blogan | xgerman: works for me, i'd like to get at least one lbaas talk accepted and thats usually the and beyond talk | 20:04 |
| dougwig | i wouldn't oversubmit, or the voters won't know what's up. and to some degree, the TC and PTLs will make sure the projects have good coverage. | 20:04 |
| blogan | or just name it buzzword bingo | 20:05 |
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| xgerman | that’s close to promising everybody who shows up $100 | 20:05 |
| dougwig | or call it "docker NFV chaining" | 20:05 |
| xgerman | lol | 20:06 |
| xgerman | also Midcycle is close: | 20:06 |
| xgerman | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/LBaaS-FWaaS-VPNaaS_Summer_Midcycle_meetup | 20:06 |
| xgerman | we have a good crowed | 20:07 |
| xgerman | crowd | 20:07 |
| xgerman | also get your hotels rather sooner then later :-) | 20:07 |
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| blogan | holy crap that exploded since i last looked at it | 20:07 |
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| xgerman | yep… I asked for a bigger room :-) | 20:08 |
| blogan | we're gonna need a bigger boat | 20:08 |
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| xgerman | #topic Brief progress reports | 20:09 |
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| sballe | I am happy about all the participation | 20:09 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:09 |
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| TrevorV | I have a WIP review up, so nothing needed there | 20:09 |
| dougwig | neutron driver, i'm thinking we merge that, and let folks iterate? it's been sitting in WIP for awhile now. alternately, we can move it to octavia and put a shim in neutron-lbaas, so the driver can be modified in lockstep with octavia features? | 20:09 |
| TrevorV | But the last delete fix thing needs reviews: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192359/ | 20:10 |
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| TrevorV | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192359/ | 20:10 |
| blogan | dougwig: you mean octavia driver? | 20:10 |
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| dougwig | blogan: yes | 20:10 |
| xgerman | since we are destined to become the reference implementation we *should* have all the features in Octavia | 20:11 |
| blogan | well i'd like it to delete correctly | 20:11 |
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| xgerman | so I think it can stay in neutron-lbaas | 20:11 |
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| xgerman | blogan +1 | 20:11 |
| dougwig | ok | 20:11 |
| dougwig | it needs a unit test, too, but i was hating on requests-mock last week. | 20:12 |
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| xgerman | you go ask them for responses :-) | 20:12 |
| xgerman | \me hides | 20:12 |
| blogan | \me /mes | 20:12 |
| TrevorV | Really dougwig ? That's the easy stuff. Just make response say "I WORKED!" and done | 20:13 |
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| xgerman | TrevorV don’t ask for responses | 20:13 |
| rm_work | TrevorV: can you rebase that just for funsies? lots of stuff has merged in the past two weeks | 20:13 |
| TrevorV | The health monitor review? Yeah | 20:13 |
| rm_work | thanks | 20:13 |
| rm_work | would just like to make sure i'm reading all the changes in the new context | 20:13 |
| TrevorV | Yep | 20:13 |
| xgerman | also #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171172/ — I have a +2 demo rm_work... | 20:13 |
| TrevorV | Done | 20:14 |
| xgerman | probably needs rebasing, too | 20:14 |
| dougwig | TrevorV: eh, it's mostly me hating on how verbose and crappy unittest and mock make tests look. why have a few dozen lines of logic when you can mix 1000 lines of boilerplate into it? | 20:14 |
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| TrevorV | Hah, yeah, well... wut? | 20:14 |
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| xgerman | ok, moving on... | 20:16 |
| xgerman | #topic Should Octavia install the Neutron LBaaS Octavia plugin? | 20:16 |
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| xgerman | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196265/ | 20:16 |
| xgerman | there is some history in the comments | 20:17 |
| rm_work | that's a weird one | 20:17 |
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| xgerman | yeah, I felt we should discuss it with a wider audience | 20:17 |
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| dougwig | hmm, interesting. | 20:17 |
| blogan | i wouldnt say its installing, octavia would just be modifying the neutron_lbaas.conf's service_provider, but there's already a way to have devstack override that value | 20:17 |
| dougwig | how does it work when you install, say, ODL via devstack? | 20:18 |
| xgerman | ok, what blogan said... | 20:18 |
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| blogan | dougwig: you tell me neutron core | 20:18 |
| dougwig | standby | 20:18 |
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| xgerman | you want to screen share while you try it out? | 20:19 |
| dougwig | from networking-odl's devstack plugin: | 20:19 |
| dougwig | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/QlA8s66x/ | 20:19 |
| dougwig | so i'd say it's ok to configure the portion of the config files to enable yourself. | 20:20 |
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| xgerman | yeah, I think with flavors that should become even less controversial | 20:20 |
| blogan | sounds fine to me then | 20:21 |
| xgerman | since you are not disabling anyone else | 20:21 |
| rm_work | alright, if there's precedent, then whatevs | 20:21 |
| xgerman | ok, that was quick | 20:21 |
| rm_work | also -- it's devstack | 20:21 |
| rm_work | lol | 20:21 |
| TrevorV | rm_work, stop it. | 20:21 |
| TrevorV | rm_work, if this change breaks my devstack like everything else that updates in it does, then I'll be upset. | 20:21 |
| xgerman | #decision Octavia can enable itself in neutron_lbaas.conf in devstack | 20:21 |
| TrevorV | I am the guinea pig for rando crap goin wrong. | 20:22 |
| dougwig | breaking TrevorV is just icing on the cake. | 20:22 |
| xgerman | just get a teflon suit... | 20:22 |
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| xgerman | #topic Open Discussion | 20:22 |
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| * TrevorV sent weeping into a corner | 20:22 | |
| blogan | breaking TrevorV is like breaking egg shells to scramble eggs, its going to happen | 20:23 |
| rm_work | giving ajmiller a second to change his review to +1 before we workflow :P | 20:23 |
| ajmiller | rm_work just a sec | 20:23 |
| rm_work | i'll let xgerman workflow it | 20:24 |
| xgerman | neat | 20:24 |
| ajmiller | done | 20:24 |
| xgerman | done = done | 20:25 |
| TrevorV | Is it done or done done? | 20:25 |
| xgerman | done + done | 20:25 |
| xgerman | hit +A | 20:25 |
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| madhu_ak | do we need to setup a new jenkins job for running scenario tests? | 20:25 |
| xgerman | to run LBaaS tests or Octavia as part of LBaas | 20:26 |
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| xgerman | I assume you are asking LBaaS? | 20:26 |
| madhu_ak | yep | 20:26 |
| madhu_ak | its for neutrl lbaas | 20:27 |
| madhu_ak | neutron* | 20:27 |
| xgerman | yes, we should but dougwig has a better idea what the CI system can ebar | 20:27 |
| xgerman | bear | 20:27 |
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| dougwig | we should setup a new job, because the api job is already too long. | 20:28 |
| dougwig | and yet another for octavia, when its ready for an end-to-end CI job. is it? | 20:28 |
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| rm_work | dougwig: can we add py34 as a gate-test for octavia? | 20:28 |
| xgerman | mmh, I haven’t tested that yet | 20:28 |
| rm_work | the tox job and most of the corrections merged | 20:29 |
| madhu_ak | sure, I have marked WIP for this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196238/ until we set cenario test job for lbaas | 20:29 |
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| rm_work | now it's a keep-up game, because there's no gate-check for py34 so people are starting to commit more stuff that violates it | 20:29 |
| TrevorV | You violate it. | 20:29 |
| rm_work | TrevorV: I most certainly do not | 20:29 |
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| rm_work | unless that's because I'm not a python interpreter | 20:30 |
| TrevorV | I just pictured you doing something like "egads" | 20:30 |
| madhu_ak | on the other hand, for this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158904/, its currently in zuul, how the jenkins is testing them? | 20:30 |
| xgerman | so we want to do a lot of stuff so do we have names of people doing it? | 20:32 |
| xgerman | who is adding the py34 job? | 20:32 |
| xgerman | blogan do you have the power to violin-tell? | 20:32 |
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| xgerman | volun-tell? | 20:32 |
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| rm_work | technically we should make the decision as a project that we WANT py34 to be a gate check | 20:33 |
| rm_work | I certainly am for it | 20:33 |
| rm_work | but I don't know how many openstack projects do py3 compat yet | 20:34 |
| rm_work | some of them, but it isn't yet a requirement | 20:34 |
| xgerman | I am in favor | 20:34 |
| rm_work | I just like being ahead of the curve | 20:34 |
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| TrevorV | By that he means he like to lose weight | 20:34 |
| rm_work | blogan / dougwig? | 20:34 |
| xgerman | #vote Should we do y34? Yes, No | 20:35 |
| rm_work | TrevorV: i do like to lose weight as well ;P | 20:35 |
| rm_work | votebot off? | 20:35 |
| rm_work | anyway no one is responding | 20:35 |
| xgerman | yeah | 20:35 |
| dougwig | neutron is doing py3 now | 20:35 |
| xgerman | votebot didn’t do it since I did the syntax wrong | 20:35 |
| rm_work | dougwig: ah ok | 20:35 |
| dougwig | so i don't see why we couldn't | 20:35 |
| rm_work | so that seems like a good plan then | 20:35 |
| TrevorV | Alrighty rm_work get on that my man. | 20:36 |
| TrevorV | o_0 | 20:36 |
| xgerman | #action rmwork enable py34 gate for Octavia | 20:36 |
| rm_work | there's only one or two violations that have made it in since i did the major overhaul | 20:36 |
| rm_work | kk | 20:36 |
| rm_work | err, where do i do that? :P | 20:36 |
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| rm_work | which project is it | 20:36 |
| xgerman | probably an infra path? | 20:36 |
| xgerman | infra patch | 20:36 |
| rm_work | project-config ? | 20:36 |
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| xgerman | I think so — but dougwig basically lives there | 20:37 |
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| xgerman | ok, next action: scenario job | 20:37 |
| rm_work | there's no octavia for project-config/jenkins/jobs :/ | 20:37 |
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| xgerman | mmh | 20:38 |
| xgerman | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182439/ | 20:39 |
| rm_work | thx | 20:40 |
| xgerman | well, thank Google :-) | 20:40 |
| xgerman | anyhow, next action the scenario job | 20:40 |
| xgerman | madhu_ak you want to tackle that? | 20:40 |
| madhu_ak | yeah, I can volunteer for that | 20:40 |
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| xgerman | #action madhu_ak add scenario job to Neutron LBaaS | 20:41 |
| madhu_ak | sure | 20:41 |
| xgerman | lastly, we wanted to run LBaaS tempest tests against Octavia and report back | 20:42 |
| xgerman | volunteers for that? | 20:42 |
| * xgerman thinks tough crowd today | 20:43 | |
| dougwig | actually, we should set that up as a job. | 20:43 |
| mwang2 | i can try that | 20:43 |
| xgerman | ok, non-voting | 20:43 |
| madhu_ak | I can pick that unless there is no takers | 20:43 |
| dougwig | experimental, actually. | 20:43 |
| xgerman | yep | 20:43 |
| xgerman | #action mwang2 set up experimental job to run LBaaS V2 tempest tests against Octavia | 20:44 |
| mwang2 | ok | 20:44 |
| xgerman | mwang2 you can probably get ajmiller to help you ;-) | 20:44 |
| mwang2 | sure! | 20:44 |
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| ajmiller | Yes, I would be happy to help | 20:44 |
| mwang2 | thank you ! | 20:44 |
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| xgerman | he had some collaboration with the jenkins people in his devstack adventures | 20:45 |
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| xgerman | so other things we should discuss? | 20:45 |
| xgerman | I am still hoping BlueBox/IBM is sponsoring an evening at the mid cycle... | 20:46 |
| madhu_ak | yeah, dougwig was telling we need to trim some tests..so checking whether there was debate about that | 20:46 |
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| dougwig | maybe a smoke tag | 20:46 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:46 |
| madhu_ak | I guess so | 20:47 |
| madhu_ak | wondering if that is already being implemented or yet to start them | 20:47 |
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| TrevorV | Alright, so the WIP review I mentioned earlier is review-able | 20:48 |
| xgerman | link? | 20:48 |
| TrevorV | Just tested successfully with blogan's approval and everything | 20:48 |
| TrevorV | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197717/ | 20:48 |
| TrevorV | There yar | 20:48 |
| dougwig | madhu_ak: not yet, feel free | 20:48 |
| madhu_ak | sure, will take a look on that after setting up experimental job for scenario in lbaas | 20:49 |
| xgerman | cool | 20:49 |
| rm_work | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197732/ | 20:49 |
| rm_work | from what I can tell, that job name is somehow automagic | 20:50 |
| rm_work | don't see them defined anywhere | 20:50 |
| TrevorV | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197732/ | 20:50 |
| xgerman | well, the neutron review has python3-jobs | 20:51 |
| dougwig | they are defined in macros.yml | 20:51 |
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| dougwig | i think that's where python*-jobs live. | 20:51 |
| xgerman | yeah, so I think we need python3-jobs? | 20:52 |
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| xgerman | frm_work | 20:52 |
| xgerman | rm_work | 20:52 |
| xgerman | also 8 minutes - but it seems we can also take what we are doing to the labs channel | 20:52 |
| xgerman | #endmeeting | 20:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 1 20:53:43 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-07-01-20.00.html | 20:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-07-01-20.00.txt | 20:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-07-01-20.00.log.html | 20:53 |
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