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| kzaitsev_mb | #startmeeting murano | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 14 17:00:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kzaitsev_mb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:00 |
| sergmelikyan | o/ | 17:00 |
| ativelkov | o/ | 17:00 |
| slagun | o/ | 17:00 |
| kzaitsev_mb | hi all. | 17:00 |
| freerunner | o/ | 17:00 |
| Nikolay_St | o/ | 17:00 |
| ativelkov | hi folks | 17:00 |
| DmytroDovbii | o/ | 17:01 |
| mgershen | hi all | 17:01 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Serg asked me to have the chair from now on. I hope that's ok with everyone. =) | 17:01 |
| kzaitsev_mb | todays agenda #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda/Archive/2015-07-14/ | 17:01 |
| aderyugin | gi! | 17:01 |
| FilipBlaha | hi | 17:01 |
| aderyugin | *hi! | 17:02 |
| katyafervent2 | o/ | 17:02 |
| kzaitsev_mb | let's review action items from prev meeting | 17:02 |
| kzaitsev_mb | kzaitsev start spec-freeze discussion in ML: I've done that and only got a responce from dims | 17:03 |
| kzaitsev_mb | shame on you guys! =) | 17:03 |
| kzaitsev_mb | pls take a look at the letter and speak of your concerns =) | 17:03 |
| Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: ok | 17:03 |
| sergmelikyan | Sure, I completely agree with this proposal | 17:04 |
| kzaitsev_mb | kzaitsev look for a way to run periodic nightly builds of stable branches — done https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201233/ here is the commit to infra | 17:04 |
| sergmelikyan | We even should start writing specs for the next cycle in U2 of previous | 17:04 |
| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: great! | 17:05 |
| kzaitsev_mb | These jobs should test stable/kilo stable/juno branches daily and report errors to a separate ML. | 17:05 |
| sergmelikyan | Can you elaborate a little bit how we would be notified? | 17:05 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | pls chip in with +1s or even better review the commit, cause I might have missed somethig there. =) | 17:06 |
| sergmelikyan | To which e-mail list we should subscribe to receive notifications? | 17:06 |
| kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: can't find it right now, will find it in a few moments =) | 17:07 |
| kzaitsev_mb | meanwhile — let's strart discussing our 1st topic for toady — migrating to yaql 1.0 | 17:08 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #topic yaql1.0 | 17:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "yaql1.0 (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:08 | |
| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: I think this staff worse a e-mail annoucement | 17:08 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: will do, as soon as the commit will be merged. or maybe even before that. | 17:09 |
| kzaitsev_mb | so yaql1.0 | 17:09 |
| kzaitsev_mb | slagun: can you pls share the difficulties we have with it and how we can migrate to it? | 17:09 |
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| slagun | the main dificulty is that by design doesn't have the integration mechanism we used before | 17:10 |
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| slagun | previously there were like 2 different words - MuranoPL and yaql bridged with a hack | 17:11 |
| slagun | now I'm trying to bring them to a common denominator | 17:11 |
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| slagun | by offloading all method resolution and registration logic to yaql | 17:11 |
| slagun | so now everything including Python and MuranoPL classes/methods will be yaql methods | 17:11 |
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| slagun | and they can talk to each other like normal functions do | 17:12 |
| slagun | this involves major refactoring of how dsl works with contextes | 17:12 |
| slagun | and fixes bugs in MuranoPL | 17:12 |
| sergmelikyan | slagun: but will it affect language? | 17:12 |
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| sergmelikyan | I mean will be previously written applications compatible? | 17:13 |
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| slagun | 95% compatibility. Apps can break but most apps won't break | 17:13 |
| kzaitsev_mb | slagun: sounds awesome | 17:14 |
| slagun | This is with yaql1.0 compatibility mode | 17:14 |
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| slagun | with introduction of versioning newer classes will run without that additional layer | 17:14 |
| kzaitsev_mb | but one of the main concerns I have with this process is the fact, that mos tests would break, right? | 17:14 |
| slagun | why? | 17:14 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Since we use yaql in every project | 17:14 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I mean — integration tests and murano-ci | 17:15 |
| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: why? | 17:15 |
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| sergmelikyan | I mean I still don't get why they would break | 17:15 |
| slagun | yes, we will need to update yaql in all of them. Likely for us dashboard and client use yaql very lightly and trivial to migrate | 17:15 |
| slagun | But we will need to find out how to merge this | 17:15 |
| sergmelikyan | they all working based on requirements.txt | 17:15 |
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| slagun | also my fixes include several improvements to yaql itself which also need to be released | 17:16 |
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| katyafervent2 | what's the status of dashboard migration to yaql? | 17:16 |
| kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: well, earlier this week we had a discussion about the integration tests and the fact, that releasing new yaql and using it in murano would most likely break integration tests. I might be wrong here though. | 17:16 |
| kzaitsev_mb | it's awesome, if everything would go as smooth as you guys say! | 17:17 |
| slagun | katyafervent2, I haven't started it yet but I expect it to be really easy and fast to do. I'd be happy if you help me with that | 17:17 |
| kzaitsev_mb | slagun: katyafervent2: do we track this activity somewhere? like in a BP? | 17:18 |
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| slagun | there is a BP to migrate to yaql 1.0 but it lacks details. I'm gonna write spec as soon as implementation be ready just to make sure everything work as I expect it. You may not merge until spec is ready though :) | 17:19 |
| katyafervent2 | stan shoud create a bp and a spec for this activity | 17:20 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | nice. so we can update the BP with specific work items for client and dashboard and offload that work from slagun then | 17:20 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I'll do that, then | 17:21 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I suggest we would track progress on yaql weekly, since it's the core of murano =) | 17:21 |
| slagun | I really hope it will be done by the next community meeting | 17:22 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #action kzaitsev update yaql1.0 BP with client and dashboard tasks to offload them from slagun | 17:22 |
| katyafervent2 | will we update the dynamic ui version since yaql is used in form definitions? | 17:22 |
| slagun | and will open a door for a long list of new futures | 17:22 |
| slagun | katyafervent2, no since the syntax is the same | 17:23 |
| kzaitsev_mb | slagun: would be sweet. Also we'll try to help you with the task. ) | 17:23 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ok. let's move to the next topic then. | 17:23 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #topic Returning import order checks | 17:23 |
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| Nikolay_St | oh nice | 17:23 |
| Nikolay_St | IMHO we should until migration to py3 will be ended | 17:24 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Nikolay_St suggested the idea, I initially supported it, but as I dived deeper into the reasons they were removed — I decided we should discuss it | 17:24 |
| Nikolay_St | and then write a new checks related to py3 libs | 17:24 |
| Nikolay_St | *we should wait | 17:25 |
| slagun | I though it will take years for OpenStack to switch to py3 if they will ever do so. Am I was wring? | 17:25 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | 1 of the main reasons they were removed is because the check could give 2 different results on py2 and py3 due to different stdlibs | 17:25 |
| Nikolay_St | slagun: in reality they do they're best for it | 17:25 |
| slagun | what OS release is going to run on py3? | 17:26 |
| sergmelikyan | U | 17:26 |
| slagun | :) | 17:26 |
| kzaitsev_mb | slagun: well, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Python3#Python_3 OS aims at py3 | 17:26 |
| sergmelikyan | I expect another 2 years at least, but who knows | 17:26 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Nikolay_St: so you basically suggest we abandon the idea, right? | 17:27 |
| Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: for sure | 17:27 |
| Nikolay_St | I'll need to check logs of #murano for some links | 17:28 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I'm ok with that, since adding a bunch of foreign code doesn't feel right to me. any objections? | 17:28 |
| slagun | +1 | 17:28 |
| katyafervent2 | ok | 17:29 |
| sergmelikyan | But I all for py3 compatibilitie | 17:29 |
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| sergmelikyan | *I am | 17:29 |
| FilipBlaha | no objections | 17:29 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ok. so Nikolay_St would you abandon the commit then, pls =) | 17:30 |
| Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: ok | 17:30 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #agreed to not resore import order checks | 17:30 |
| slagun | yaql1 is already py3 compatible. Small step for a man... :) | 17:30 |
| kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: well we have a BP for that. Sometime someone would take the job and make everything run on py3 =) | 17:31 |
| kzaitsev_mb | just not today. =) | 17:31 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #topic JS linting jobs | 17:32 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ok this is a small one | 17:32 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I've added a BP for shellcheck and everyone on ML agreed with it | 17:32 |
| kzaitsev_mb | later I added a note about JS linting | 17:32 |
| kzaitsev_mb | but I feel, that it was not properly discussed | 17:32 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | So I split the BP in 2 (would be awkward to target bp 'shelcheck' in a commit, that alters js code) | 17:33 |
| kzaitsev_mb | And copied js linting code from horizon (with a couple of simplifications) to dashboard | 17:34 |
| sergmelikyan | sounds nice :) | 17:34 |
| kzaitsev_mb | here is the commit https://review.openstack.org/#/c/200780/ | 17:34 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | it currently fails with 200 something errors =) | 17:35 |
| kzaitsev_mb | as soon as we merge this — I'll add a non-voting jslint job to infra | 17:35 |
| kzaitsev_mb | that's all I wanted to say, hope everyone's ok with this side activity of mine =) | 17:35 |
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| FilipBlaha | how does it work? does it report only new errors added in given patchset? | 17:36 |
| kzaitsev_mb | FilipBlaha: ok, it uses eslint, which reports both style checks and errors. it runs eslint against a directory, so it's more like pep8, checks the whole codebase | 17:37 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | It also has plugins, that can be installed from npm, so as soon as we switch to angular — we would be able to check that too | 17:38 |
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| FilipBlaha | kzaitsev_mb: thanks | 17:39 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | we actually have some weird js code. (= hope to fix it someday, cause our dashboard is pretty complicated. | 17:40 |
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| FilipBlaha | I added pylint job a few weeks/moths ago but I am not sure whether it improved anything | 17:40 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | FilipBlaha: well I'm intending to actually fix most of the errors as part of this side-activity and turn the job voting as soon as we're ready. =) | 17:41 |
| FilipBlaha | problem of this tools is that they report many false positives | 17:42 |
| kzaitsev_mb | FilipBlaha: the errors reported by eslint are a lot easier to fix, than those of pylint ;) | 17:42 |
| sergmelikyan | FilipBlaha: +1 | 17:42 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: FilipBlaha: you can take a look at the list of errors and we can disable those, that seem not worthy of noting | 17:43 |
| sergmelikyan | though usually you can skip false-positive from report by adding specific comment in code | 17:43 |
| kzaitsev_mb | like " against ' — it's disabled in commit. | 17:43 |
| sergmelikyan | I prefer to mark false-positive in the code, instead of disabling rules | 17:43 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: correct, eslint supports disabling specific rules for a block of code | 17:43 |
| sergmelikyan | https://github.com/openstack/murano/blob/master/murano/engine/system/net_explorer.py#L41 | 17:44 |
| FilipBlaha | ok, +1 for eslint job | 17:44 |
| sergmelikyan | example ^ | 17:44 |
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| katyafervent2 | will we keep pylint job then? | 17:45 |
| Nikolay_St | katyafervent2: yeap | 17:45 |
| kzaitsev_mb | katyafervent2: I think pylint doesn't hurt =) | 17:45 |
| Nikolay_St | katyafervent2: pylint is for python isn't it? | 17:45 |
| slagun | sergmelikyan, btw after we migrate to yaql1 there won't be functions with non-pythonic names | 17:45 |
| kzaitsev_mb | my commit aims at js code, not python code =) | 17:46 |
| katyafervent2 | ok, got it | 17:46 |
| kzaitsev_mb | ok, let's move to the final topic then, won't we? | 17:47 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #topic Murano CLI versioning | 17:47 |
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| freerunner | ;) | 17:47 |
| kzaitsev_mb | freerunner: had a suggestion about versioning of our client | 17:47 |
| sergmelikyan | Yeah :) I was waiting for that | 17:47 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-cli-ver | 17:47 |
| sergmelikyan | So let me explain how it works now | 17:47 |
| kzaitsev_mb | freerunner: can you elaborate pls? | 17:48 |
| kzaitsev_mb | oh right | 17:48 |
| kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: pls do | 17:48 |
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| sergmelikyan | https://launchpad.net/python-muranoclient/+series <- please take a look here | 17:48 |
| sergmelikyan | starting from Kilo we have new versioning scheme for libraries | 17:48 |
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| sergmelikyan | we have stable/kilo with latest release 0.5.9, and 0.6.0 as starting for Liberty | 17:49 |
| sergmelikyan | since stable kilo is already release - we expect there only security and critical bug-fixes | 17:49 |
| sergmelikyan | therefore only minor version incrementals | 17:50 |
| kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: new versioning of OpenStack projects doesn't affect client, does it? | 17:50 |
| sergmelikyan | 0.5.xxxxxxx < 0.6 | 17:50 |
| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: affects | 17:50 |
| kzaitsev_mb | so liberty would be 1.0.0 ? | 17:50 |
| sergmelikyan | nope | 17:50 |
| sergmelikyan | this is not change that I am talking about | 17:50 |
| sergmelikyan | Liberty is in development and we can have any number of version for client as we like | 17:51 |
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| sergmelikyan | let's imagine that we have 2.3.19 version of client at the end of Liberty, then for M we will start with 2.4, and in stable/liberty will have >=2.3.19, <2.3 | 17:52 |
| sergmelikyan | *<2.4 | 17:52 |
| katyafervent2 | liberty should be < 0.7 | 17:52 |
| sergmelikyan | katyafervent2: nope | 17:52 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: is this a standard for OS-clients? | 17:52 |
| sergmelikyan | we can have 0.7 and 0.8 released for Liberty | 17:52 |
| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: yep | 17:52 |
| sergmelikyan | as well as oother libraries | 17:52 |
| kzaitsev_mb | is there a write-up somewhere, that we can refer to? | 17:53 |
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| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: trying to find | 17:53 |
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| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-specs/specs/library-stable-branches.html | 17:53 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-specs/specs/library-stable-branches.html | 17:54 |
| kzaitsev_mb | ok so, unfortunately freerunner's suggestion would not be implemented =) | 17:54 |
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| sergmelikyan | nope ;) | 17:55 |
| sergmelikyan | I think this one is working perfectly fun | 17:55 |
| sergmelikyan | *fine | 17:55 |
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| freerunner | Okay =) | 17:56 |
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| sergmelikyan | Open Discussion? | 17:56 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #topic Open Discussion | 17:56 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ok we have a couple of minutes | 17:56 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I'd like to remind, that there will would be a stable point release this Thursday | 17:57 |
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| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: do you have a link? | 17:57 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: I think we should join other OS projects | 17:58 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-July/069110.html | 17:58 |
| sergmelikyan | freerunner: ^ | 17:58 |
| sergmelikyan | we need to check out gates :) | 17:58 |
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| freerunner | sergmelikyan: Our gates is well, excluding congress-gate =( | 18:00 |
| kzaitsev_mb | ok. this felt like a productive meeting =) | 18:00 |
| kzaitsev_mb | lets move to #murano if you have any ore concerns | 18:00 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 14 18:00:36 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-07-14-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-07-14-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-07-14-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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| jdob | o/ | 19:00 |
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| dprince | Meeting time! | 19:03 |
| dprince | Anyone here? | 19:04 |
| dprince | jdob: oh hi | 19:04 |
| jdob | dprince: :D | 19:04 |
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| dprince | jdob: if it is just you and me today (many people are on travel) then perhaps best to postpone this week | 19:05 |
| jdob | +1 | 19:05 |
| dprince | travel or vacation... | 19:05 |
| jistr | +1 | 19:05 |
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| dprince | okay. Any pressing matters or new issues can be discussed on the email list I think. | 19:05 |
| dprince | So no meeting this week... | 19:05 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 14 21:00:42 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 21:00 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2015-07-14_2100_UTC Our Agenda | 21:00 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 21:00 |
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| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 21:00 |
| randallburt | o/ | 21:00 |
| devkulkarni | devdatta kulkarni | 21:01 |
| adrian_otto | hello randallburt and devkulkarni | 21:01 |
| mkam | Melissa Kam | 21:01 |
| gpilz | Gilbert Pilz | 21:01 |
| devkulkarni | hi adrian_otto | 21:01 |
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| adrian_otto | hello mkam, and gpilz | 21:01 |
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| james_li | james li | 21:01 |
| randallburt | Randall Burt (who did it wrong already) | 21:01 |
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| adrian_otto | you can wave if you prefer | 21:02 |
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| randallburt | force of habit :) | 21:02 |
| adrian_otto | hello james_li | 21:02 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 21:03 | |
| adrian_otto | (none prepared). Any announcements form team members? | 21:03 |
| adrian_otto | s/form/from/ | 21:03 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 21:04 | |
| adrian_otto | 1) devkulkarni to check how to make solum's heat deployer pluggable to support different kinds of resources in different operational environments | 21:04 |
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| randallburt | uh, I didn't do what I was supposed to | 21:04 |
| adrian_otto | Status: randallburt to propose a spec | 21:04 |
| randallburt | sorry. will sort it before the weeks out | 21:04 |
| adrian_otto | do we have a link to the spec review? | 21:04 |
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| randallburt | adrian_otto: ^^ | 21:04 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, then I will just carry this one | 21:05 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 21:05 |
| adrian_otto | #action randallburt to propose a spec for how to make solum's heat deployer pluggable to support different kinds of resources in different operational environments | 21:05 |
| randallburt | oh, devkulkarni can you send me those photos from our brainstorm session? | 21:05 |
| adrian_otto | hello hogepodge | 21:05 |
| devkulkarni | randallburt: sure, will do | 21:05 |
| randallburt | thanks! | 21:05 |
| adrian_otto | 2) adrian_otto to follow up with devdatta-kulkarni about filing a heat plugability blueprint | 21:05 |
| adrian_otto | Status: COMPLETE | 21:05 |
| adrian_otto | resolved as above. | 21:06 |
| devkulkarni | yep | 21:06 |
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| adrian_otto | 3) dimtruck to check with devdatta-kulkarni aboutthe stauts of the namespace migration to the openstack git namespace, and file openstack-config reviews as needed if they have not already been created. | 21:06 |
| randallburt | adrian_otto: can we get a link? would like to know more about "heat pluggabiliy" | 21:06 |
| adrian_otto | randallburt: this is exactly the same topic | 21:06 |
| randallburt | ah, k. thanks adrian_otto | 21:06 |
| devkulkarni | randallburt: same topic as you are going to propose spec for | 21:06 |
| adrian_otto | last week we did not have a resource to reference | 21:06 |
| randallburt | gotcha | 21:06 |
| adrian_otto | your spec will be that | 21:06 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1472409 Rename stackforge/solum to openstack/solum | 21:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1472409 in Solum "Task: Rename stackforge/solum to openstack/solum" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Devdatta (devdatta-kulkarni) | 21:07 |
| adrian_otto | Status: COMPLETE | 21:07 |
| adrian_otto | any questions on this one? | 21:07 |
| devkulkarni | I have submitted a patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201287/ | 21:07 |
| devkulkarni | I am working with Andreas on it. | 21:07 |
| adrian_otto | ok, anything more to convey to the team on this one? | 21:08 |
| devkulkarni | you can check the comments by Andreas on the patch | 21:08 |
| devkulkarni | no, that is all | 21:08 |
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| adrian_otto | no action from me is needed on that topic, correct? | 21:09 |
| dimtruck | \o sorry i'm late | 21:09 |
| devkulkarni | as far as I understand | 21:09 |
| devkulkarni | had to make a change to governance to add other solum projects, which I have submitted | 21:09 |
| adrian_otto | sometimes the project-config reviewers ask for the PTL to vote on those, so if you need that just let me know. | 21:09 |
| devkulkarni | yes, will do | 21:09 |
| adrian_otto | ok, cool | 21:09 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Blueprint/Task Review | 21:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprint/Task Review (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 21:09 | |
| adrian_otto | Any work items that we'd like to discuss as a team today? | 21:10 |
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| devkulkarni | I would like to check up with randallburt and james_li on where we are with their respective patches | 21:10 |
| randallburt | eyes on #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/200451/ and its dependent would be appreciated. I'm working on Ed's original patch to fix test bugs and will rebase, but the code for those patches shouldn't change. (Bug | 21:10 |
| randallburt | Bug #1473256 | 21:10 |
| openstack | bug 1473256 in Solum "Error message leaking SQL queries" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1473256 - Assigned to Randall Burt (randall-burt) | 21:10 |
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| adrian_otto | randallburt: is it clear what's jamming the gate for that? | 21:11 |
| devkulkarni | randallburt: this is different than the mock patch right? | 21:11 |
| randallburt | adrian_otto: yes. I've sorted the dependency issue with mock and am fixing other tests that the update broke | 21:11 |
| randallburt | devkulkarni: ^^ yep | 21:12 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: gates are currently blocked due to the mock issue | 21:12 |
| devkulkarni | randallburt: so we need to get the mock patch in first I guess, right? | 21:12 |
| adrian_otto | Are you sure it's Mock and not the Devstack Keysone v2->v3 change? | 21:12 |
| randallburt | devkulkarni: yep | 21:12 |
| devkulkarni | oh! | 21:12 |
| randallburt | adrian_otto: yes | 21:12 |
| devkulkarni | that happened too? | 21:12 |
| randallburt | well, the thing I'm fixing isn't related to keystone changes anyway | 21:13 |
| adrian_otto | yes, Devstack currently breaks all projects using Keystone v2 APIs | 21:13 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: out devstack gate is passing | 21:13 |
| adrian_otto | I can't remember if we are using v3 or not | 21:13 |
| devkulkarni | s/out/our | 21:13 |
| mkam | we're using v3 | 21:13 |
| devkulkarni | solum is using v3 | 21:13 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so that's a nonissue then | 21:13 |
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| devkulkarni | randallburt: so going back to the mock patch.. lets get that one merged if it is ready | 21:14 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so let's merge that patch | 21:14 |
| james_li | my patches https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:james-li-3+status:open,n,z are blocked by the mock issue, and also by an oslo_config migration patch I am working on currently | 21:14 |
| randallburt | devkulkarni: I will submit it as soon as tests pass locally | 21:14 |
| devkulkarni | randallburt: sounds good. will keep an eye out for that | 21:14 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/200697 Replace mock.assert_called_once with mock.called | 21:14 |
| adrian_otto | randallburt: is that the one you meant? | 21:15 |
| devkulkarni | james_li: ok | 21:15 |
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| randallburt | adrian_otto: yes. I'm fixing that one | 21:15 |
| adrian_otto | ok | 21:15 |
| randallburt | james_li: you'll need to rebase on that one when I can get it sorted | 21:15 |
| james_li | sure | 21:15 |
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| randallburt | may take a little while longer since it broke more than just the asserts | 21:16 |
| adrian_otto | randallburt: did you want to spend a little time now on that? | 21:17 |
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| adrian_otto | hello kebray | 21:19 |
| randallburt | adrian_otto: I am :D | 21:19 |
| adrian_otto | tx randallburt | 21:19 |
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| randallburt | oh, you mean explanation? Basically we were mocking things like mock.someattribute.somemethod.return_value = something for class level things. Appearently that worked at one time, but doesn't any more for instances created from the mock class. | 21:20 |
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| randallburt | either that or our tests were broken before the update to mock | 21:20 |
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| randallburt | either way, tests don't pass until its fixed everywhere | 21:21 |
| devkulkarni | randallburt: could be the latter | 21:21 |
| adrian_otto | actually, I just meant that we are not in a hurry today, so you were welcome to split attention to revise that patchset | 21:21 |
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| randallburt | adrian_otto: k, am/will do | 21:21 |
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| adrian_otto | cool, thanks | 21:21 |
| adrian_otto | ok, other work items to discuss in the interim? | 21:21 |
| devkulkarni | I think those were the main ones | 21:22 |
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| randallburt | devkulkarni: I don't think so, because I'm having to fix tests that were in merged patches only a few days before the mock breakage | 21:22 |
| adrian_otto | hello dimtruck | 21:22 |
| adrian_otto | I marked your action item as complete | 21:22 |
| dimtruck | hello :) | 21:22 |
| adrian_otto | ok, | 21:22 |
| dimtruck | yes sir. i saw that | 21:22 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discusssion | 21:22 |
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| devkulkarni | randallburt: I see. makes sense then it must be the former | 21:23 |
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| devkulkarni | for the open discussion I want to provide updates on the openstack submissions for tokyo.. we had discussed it in one of the earlier meetings.. there are at least 4 presentations being submitted on solum and related topics | 21:24 |
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| devkulkarni | 1) on overall solum which I have registered; 2) on languagepacks which muralia has registered; 3) on performance reliability security which james_li has registered; 4) on continuous integration which dimtruck and mkam has registered | 21:25 |
| dimtruck | #4 is with our friends from prod sec | 21:26 |
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| dimtruck | so that includes openstack's bandit, for example | 21:26 |
| devkulkarni | fyi, tomorrow is the deadline. | 21:26 |
| devkulkarni | dimtruck: right | 21:26 |
| devkulkarni | what is openstack bandit? | 21:26 |
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| mkam | devkulkarni: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security/Projects/Bandit | 21:27 |
| mkam | static code analysis for security issues | 21:27 |
| devkulkarni | cool | 21:27 |
| devkulkarni | did not know we are using bandit in our CI setup | 21:27 |
| dimtruck | for a few months now :) | 21:27 |
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| devkulkarni | nice | 21:27 |
| adrian_otto | keep in mind that Rackspace's travel budget for Tokyo is relatively restrictive, so not everyone who attended the last summit will be able to go. | 21:28 |
| dimtruck | we've been growing with them | 21:28 |
| adrian_otto | gpilz: will you be attending in Tokyo? | 21:28 |
| devkulkarni | dimtruck: cool.. is the rackspace security team working on bandit? | 21:28 |
| gpilz | adrian - that is my intention | 21:29 |
| dimtruck | devkulkarni: correct | 21:29 |
| adrian_otto | gpilz: ok | 21:29 |
| dimtruck | one of many | 21:29 |
| devkulkarni | nice | 21:29 |
| devkulkarni | dimtruck: ops guide :)? | 21:30 |
| devkulkarni | let me know if you need any help on that.. | 21:30 |
| dimtruck | yes - let's take that post meeting | 21:30 |
| randallburt | 1) install devstack …. | 21:31 |
| dimtruck | maybe tomorrow morning? | 21:31 |
| dimtruck | hahahaha | 21:31 |
| dimtruck | randallburt: yes | 21:31 |
| devkulkarni | randallburt: ha ha | 21:31 |
| dimtruck | how did you know? | 21:31 |
| randallburt | :D | 21:31 |
| devkulkarni | randallburt: we had some folks for asking for an operations guide for solum | 21:31 |
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| randallburt | I imagine so. Good news, that | 21:31 |
| devkulkarni | dimtruck: sounds good.. we can discuss in #solum sometime tomorrow | 21:32 |
| dimtruck | coolness | 21:32 |
| devkulkarni | dimtruck, mkam: heads up on our repo changes | 21:32 |
| dimtruck | i have a doc i want to run by you | 21:32 |
| dimtruck | oh yes...we'll have to update internal flows | 21:33 |
| devkulkarni | when that happens we will have to fix our CI systems | 21:33 |
| devkulkarni | will keep everyone in the loop on that in #solum | 21:33 |
| dimtruck | ok | 21:33 |
| devkulkarni | mkam, james_li: | 21:34 |
| devkulkarni | do we expect performance to get affected by the python patches? | 21:34 |
| devkulkarni | any thoughts? | 21:34 |
| devkulkarni | looks like james_li is not at his desk | 21:35 |
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| devkulkarni | dimtruck: when we change CI, please remind me of changing vagrant-solum-dev too | 21:36 |
| mkam | there's nothing I can think of that would be a potential performance issue, but I can't say for sure until after we run tests | 21:37 |
| dimtruck | devkulkarni: ok | 21:37 |
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| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: what do you think about pulling that into the main solum tree now? | 21:37 |
| devkulkarni | mkam: ok, .. and the tests are currently blocked because the patches are not passing upstream gates, right? | 21:37 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: you mean vagrant-solum-dev? I think that would be nice | 21:38 |
| adrian_otto | yes | 21:38 |
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| devkulkarni | I can take an action item for that (or you can assign that to me).. may not get around to doing that immediately (so will have to carry it forward in a few meetings, but that should be fine) | 21:38 |
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| mkam | devkulkarni: it's actually due to that permissions issue we're having with docker-py | 21:39 |
| adrian_otto | I'll just make a bug ticket for that one | 21:39 |
| devkulkarni | mkam: oh, is it? | 21:39 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: sounds good. and assign that to me | 21:39 |
| devkulkarni | dimtruck, mkam: I thought we had some clue on the docker-py issue. no? | 21:39 |
| dimtruck | not yet | 21:40 |
| dimtruck | still debugging | 21:40 |
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| dimtruck | james_li: is it reproduceable on devstack? | 21:40 |
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| dimtruck | i guess maybe that's a question for #solum | 21:41 |
| james_li | dimtruck: it is about virtualenv I think | 21:41 |
| dimtruck | so you don't see it on devstack | 21:41 |
| james_li | I did not | 21:41 |
| dimtruck | ok | 21:41 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1474568 Task: Move vagrant-solum-dev from github to main source tree | 21:41 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1474568 in Solum "Task: Move vagrant-solum-dev from github to main source tree" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Devdatta (devdatta-kulkarni) | 21:41 |
| dimtruck | devkulkarni: we'll need to debug more | 21:42 |
| devkulkarni | dimtruck: sounds like it.. | 21:42 |
| dimtruck | i can create a launchpad bug for it | 21:42 |
| devkulkarni | dimtruck: yes, that will be good | 21:42 |
| dimtruck | because it might affect anyone trying to run solum in virtualenv | 21:42 |
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| devkulkarni | james_li, dimtruck: is the issue only related to the way we run performance tests, or it is more general? | 21:43 |
| dimtruck | more general | 21:43 |
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| dimtruck | it's a functional issue, not load | 21:43 |
| devkulkarni | as in, will it affect staging/prod environments as well? | 21:43 |
| dimtruck | yes | 21:43 |
| dimtruck | definitely | 21:43 |
| dimtruck | it'll affect anyone running docker py in higher envs | 21:43 |
| devkulkarni | hmm.. so then we need to get it resolved asap. will pinging folks on docker-py channel help? | 21:43 |
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| devkulkarni | (may be one of you have already done that) | 21:44 |
| james_li | devkulkarni: it only affects when we switch to the new code | 21:44 |
| james_li | bash code still runs fine | 21:44 |
| dimtruck | right | 21:44 |
| devkulkarni | james_li: right | 21:44 |
| james_li | all because docker-py cannot talk to daemon | 21:44 |
| devkulkarni | james_li: but looks like we won't be able to get your python conversion merged if this issue is not resolved. | 21:44 |
| devkulkarni | right? | 21:44 |
| randallburt | devkulkarni: why not if it passes on devstack? | 21:45 |
| james_li | devkulkarni: I don't think it is a problem in code | 21:45 |
| james_li | it is a problem of how we packaging and running solum artifact | 21:45 |
| devkulkarni | randallburt: good point.. if it passes devstack and other gates then we can surely get it merged | 21:45 |
| randallburt | james_li: that was my impression as well. limited to virtual env and permissions, correct? | 21:45 |
| devkulkarni | but may affect our staging and prod environments at rax | 21:46 |
| james_li | randallburt: yes | 21:46 |
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| randallburt | devkulkarni: different issue altogether then. patches can merge even if we have to fix our internal packaging to make it work :) | 21:46 |
| james_li | devkulkarni: no if we don't switch to the new worker handler | 21:46 |
| devkulkarni | randallburt: yes, fair enought | 21:46 |
| devkulkarni | james_li: that's right, you have made it configurable | 21:47 |
| * randallburt just pokes in between test runs | 21:47 | |
| devkulkarni | nice | 21:47 |
| devkulkarni | dimtruck: going back to how to debug docker-py | 21:47 |
| james_li | devkulkarni: yes we have control in solum.conf | 21:47 |
| devkulkarni | have you or james_li reached out to someone on their channel? | 21:47 |
| dimtruck | i have not | 21:48 |
| dimtruck | i can | 21:48 |
| james_li | dimtruck: we could ask Nick first | 21:48 |
| dimtruck | james_li: good idea | 21:48 |
| dimtruck | we will run it by our internal operations | 21:49 |
| devkulkarni | dimtruck: I think we should once you have done your due diligence and debugging | 21:49 |
| dimtruck | ok | 21:49 |
| devkulkarni | dimtruck, james_li: sounds like a plan then | 21:49 |
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| devkulkarni | I don't have any other topics | 21:49 |
| dimtruck | me neither | 21:50 |
| james_li | nothing from me | 21:50 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: probably you can call it.. | 21:50 |
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| adrian_otto | thanks everyone for attending. Out next meting is 2015-07-21 at 2100 UTC | 21:55 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 21:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 14 21:55:55 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-07-14-21.00.html | 21:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-07-14-21.00.txt | 21:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-07-14-21.00.log.html | 21:56 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting containers | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 14 22:00:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 22:00 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2015-07-14_2200_UTC Our Agenda | 22:00 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 22:00 |
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| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 22:01 |
| madhuri_ | o/ | 22:01 |
| sdake_ | o/ | 22:01 |
| yuanying-alt | o/ | 22:01 |
| dane_leblanc | o/ | 22:01 |
| mfalatic | o/ | 22:01 |
| suro-patz | o/ | 22:01 |
| juggler | Perry Rivera | 22:01 |
| Tango | Ton Ngo | 22:01 |
| tcammann1 | o/ | 22:01 |
| daneyon | o/ | 22:01 |
| rods | o/ | 22:01 |
| hongbin | o/ | 22:01 |
| adrian_otto | hello madhuri_, sdake_, yuanying-alt, dane_leblanc, mfalatic, suro-patz, juggler, Tango, tcammann1, daneyon, rods, and hongbin | 22:02 |
| juggler | hello! | 22:02 |
| mfalatic | Howdy! | 22:02 |
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| eghobo | 0/ | 22:03 |
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| adrian_otto | hello eghobo | 22:03 |
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| adrian_otto | we have a full agenda today, so let's start | 22:04 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 22:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: containers)" | 22:04 | |
| adrian_otto | 1) We have made a directional design decision to implement TLS and certificate generation initially using Barbican. | 22:04 |
| adrian_otto | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-July/069130.html Summary of our TLS Design Meeting | 22:04 |
| adrian_otto | this has the exact text of the #agreed for your reference ^ | 22:04 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/194905 Spec Review for TLS Support in Magnum | 22:05 |
| adrian_otto | ^ this is the work it relates to | 22:05 |
| adrian_otto | there has been some initial delays in response from the Barbican team. Has madhuri_ heard back from redrobot or another Barbican team member? | 22:05 |
| madhuri_ | Not yet adrian_otto | 22:06 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I will take an action item to escalate | 22:06 |
| sdake_ | I found us another expert | 22:06 |
| tcammann1 | Are we going to use dogtag as a backend? | 22:06 |
| sdake_ | Dave McCowan said he could provide guidance on the barbican front | 22:06 |
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| madhuri_ | Yet to be decided tcammann1 with Barbican guys | 22:06 |
| sdake_ | madhuri you have his email | 22:06 |
| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to follow up with Barbican team to arrange assistance for integration with Magnum | 22:06 |
| adrian_otto | thanks sdake_ | 22:07 |
| madhuri_ | Yes sdake_ | 22:07 |
| adrian_otto | let's table the Barbican matter until Open Discussion | 22:07 |
| sdake_ | madhuri_ make sure to cc the mailing list plz | 22:07 |
| madhuri_ | Sure | 22:07 |
| adrian_otto | we're going to get what we need there. | 22:07 |
| adrian_otto | next.. | 22:07 |
| adrian_otto | 2) Welcome Tom Cammann to the magnum-core team. | 22:07 |
| tcammann1 | :D | 22:08 |
| sdake_ | o/ welcome aboard dude | 22:08 |
| adrian_otto | I will be adding him at the end of our meeting | 22:08 |
| madhuri_ | Welcome | 22:08 |
| juggler | excellent! | 22:08 |
| yuanying-alt | welcome! | 22:08 |
| tcammann1 | thanks guys | 22:08 |
| hongbin | welcome | 22:08 |
| * juggler high fives tcammann | 22:08 | |
| sdake_ | now you can help me on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/objects-from-bay ;-) | 22:08 |
| tcammann1 | yep, sure can | 22:08 |
| sdake_ | although you could before ;-) | 22:08 |
| juggler | heh | 22:09 |
| adrian_otto | actually tcammann has been added to https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/473,members | 22:09 |
| tcammann1 | woop | 22:09 |
| adrian_otto | we look froward to your +2 power | 22:09 |
| adrian_otto | next announcement... | 22:10 |
| adrian_otto | 3) Magnum Midcycle Meetup is 2015-08-05 and 2015-08-06 at IBM | 22:10 |
| adrian_otto | in San Jose | 22:10 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Magnum/Midcycle Magnum Midcycle Details | 22:10 |
| adrian_otto | NOTICE: Seating is limited, so Eventbrite RSVP is required for all in-person attendees. Remote attendees please do not RSVP. | 22:10 |
| adrian_otto | this is really important. If you are going to attend in person, be sure to RSVP on eventbrite | 22:10 |
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| sdake_ | seating = 28 seats correct? | 22:11 |
| adrian_otto | there are 28 remaining of the 30 I posted | 22:11 |
| sdake_ | that should be plenty judging by the regular ODS | 22:11 |
| Tango | we can manage | 22:11 |
| daneyon | adrian_otto lets rent an RV and drive up together... lol!!!! | 22:11 |
| adrian_otto | I'm planning of email all of the ticketed participants prior to the event to confirm your attendance, and free up room for anyone waiting | 22:11 |
| adrian_otto | daneyon, I own one of those | 22:12 |
| adrian_otto | but sorry I can't afford the time to drive. | 22:12 |
| daneyon | skip the rent part then | 22:12 |
| adrian_otto | we;ll make a good team dinner on that Wed night together | 22:12 |
| adrian_otto | questions about the Midcycle? | 22:12 |
| sdake_ | is there soda on site | 22:13 |
| sdake_ | or should I pack a cooler ;) | 22:13 |
| juggler | is there a call-in number for remotes? | 22:13 |
| * sdake_ can't live without soda | 22:13 | |
| juggler | or IRC only? | 22:13 |
| Tango | Soda provided :) | 22:13 |
| * adrian_otto will be sure sdake remains caffeinated at all times | 22:13 | |
| sdake_ | cool thansk tang o: ) | 22:13 |
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| daneyon | juggler i setup a webex | 22:13 |
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| sdake_ | juggler we will roll with webex | 22:13 |
| adrian_otto | ok, let's hand off to daneyon for a moment | 22:14 |
| juggler | cool beans | 22:14 |
| daneyon | the dets should be in the midcycle url above | 22:14 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Container Networking Subteam Update | 22:14 |
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| daneyon | I was in training last week, but I have been adding to the etherpad this week. My focus has been to develop content to the spec draft. | 22:14 |
| daneyon | link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-native-docker-network | 22:14 |
| daneyon | A lot more to come over the next week. | 22:14 |
| daneyon | Those interested, please review the content that I’m adding to the spec draft sections and provide your feedback in the etherpad. | 22:14 |
| adrian_otto | ok, cool. Thanks. | 22:14 |
| daneyon | The networking subgroup will meet this Thursday to continue to collab on t he networking spec | 22:14 |
| daneyon | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Container_Networking_Subteam_Meeting | 22:14 |
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| daneyon | ^ for details | 22:14 |
| adrian_otto | that's Thursdays at 1800 UTC, correct? | 22:15 |
| daneyon | meeting details that is | 22:15 |
| adrian_otto | thanks for the link daneyon | 22:15 |
| daneyon | i believe so | 22:15 |
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| daneyon | let me double check | 22:15 |
| daneyon | yes, 1800 utc | 22:15 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 22:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: containers)" | 22:15 | |
| daneyon | Docker is having an online metope this Thursday. | 22:15 |
| adrian_otto | 1) madhuri to kick off thread about cert provided by stackforge project anchor | 22:15 |
| daneyon | one more sec adrian_otto | 22:15 |
| daneyon | Docker is having an online metope this Thursday. | 22:16 |
| daneyon | #link http://www.meetup.com/Docker-Online-Meetup/events/223796871/ | 22:16 |
| * adrian_otto pausing | 22:16 | |
| daneyon | I highly suggest attending the meetup if you plan to contribute to magnum networking. | 22:16 |
| adrian_otto | +1 | 22:16 |
| daneyon | otherwise, i look forward to getting together with the net subteam this thurs. feel free to pingme with any questions | 22:16 |
| daneyon | thx | 22:16 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so in reference to madhuri's action item | 22:17 |
| adrian_otto | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-July/068993.html Magnum as a CA | 22:17 |
| adrian_otto | Status: COMPLETE | 22:17 |
| adrian_otto | 2) All core reviewers to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194905/ | 22:17 |
| adrian_otto | Status: Ongoing | 22:17 |
| adrian_otto | I can carry that forward if you'd like to keep bird dogging it. | 22:17 |
| madhuri_ | sure adrian_otto | 22:18 |
| adrian_otto | #action All core reviewers to review https://review.openstack.org/194905 | 22:18 |
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| adrian_otto | 3) adrian_otto to begin an ML thread for https://review.openstack.org/194905 | 22:18 |
| adrian_otto | Status: COMPLETE | 22:18 |
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| adrian_otto | 4) adrian_otto to assist xu_ with starting an ML thread about the Hyper blueprint for Magnum | 22:19 |
| adrian_otto | Status: COMPLETE | 22:19 |
| adrian_otto | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-July/069402.html ML Thread for Hyper/Magnum Integration | 22:19 |
| adrian_otto | 5) adrian_otto to select a date for the Midcycle and announce to the team members | 22:19 |
| adrian_otto | Status: COMPLETE | 22:19 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Magnum/Midcycle Magnum Midcycle Details | 22:19 |
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| adrian_otto | that concludes all action item follow-ups | 22:19 |
| adrian_otto | next topic | 22:19 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Discuss Future of heat-coe-templates | 22:20 |
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| adrian_otto | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/068237.html ML Discussion (June) | 22:20 |
| adrian_otto | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-July/068381.html ML Discussion (July) | 22:20 |
| adrian_otto | proposal is to delete heat-coe-temlates, and maintain the code we have separately from the upstream, which will remain in github, not stackforge | 22:20 |
| adrian_otto | thoughts on this? | 22:20 |
| tcammann1 | I don't see this repo working with larsks' repo and he seems to have different aims for the templates | 22:21 |
| daneyon | has larsks provided any feedback on this? | 22:21 |
| adrian_otto | no, daneyon he has not responded on this topic | 22:21 |
| tcammann1 | And we aren't getting the required attention on the h-c-t repo to make it useful | 22:22 |
| daneyon | tcammann1 can u elaborate on larsks' diff aims? | 22:22 |
| sdake_ | i asked larsks atlaest 3 times to respond on that thread | 22:22 |
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| sdake_ | he said he would, but has not ;) | 22:22 |
| sdake_ | so I don't know what else can be done | 22:22 |
| tcammann1 | He isn't targeting Magnum, he has added several features that aren't compatible with Magnum | 22:22 |
| hongbin | +1 | 22:23 |
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| sdake_ | if we do delete the heat-coe-template repo, (actually put in attic) we should cut trying to keep the two in sync | 22:23 |
| tcammann1 | autoscaling and load generators to name a couple | 22:23 |
| sdake_ | one should be a fork of another | 22:23 |
| daneyon | tcammann1 can you give us an example of one of the unsupported features that were added? | 22:23 |
| sdake_ | a permanent fork | 22:23 |
| daneyon | nm | 22:23 |
| adrian_otto | so we should express our appreciation for the kickstart this gave us, and acknowledge we are heading different enough directions to warrant a split | 22:23 |
| tcammann1 | agree | 22:24 |
| sdake_ | ya we tried to fix the fork problem with heat-coe-tempaltes but it seems like thats more trobule then its worth to everyoene involved | 22:24 |
| adrian_otto | but daneyon's questions are valid… so I'll address it this way... | 22:24 |
| daneyon | would autoscaling and load generators be features that magnum will eventually want? | 22:24 |
| tcammann1 | We are doing autoscaling significantly differently, and no we don't want a load geneartor | 22:25 |
| sdake_ | I find it highly unlikely his autoscaling actually works properly ;-) | 22:25 |
| adrian_otto | tcammann volunteered to help consolidate our downstream changes with the stackforge upstream, and that has become a high friction effort for relatively low value | 22:25 |
| adrian_otto | if nobody is consuming heat-coe-templated besides magnum, then it might as well be in our source tree | 22:25 |
| daneyon | good point | 22:25 |
| sdake_ | it would make sense if larsks had intent to delete larsks/heat-kubernetes, but he does not | 22:25 |
| sdake_ | so we will always have 3 repos to deal with rather then one | 22:25 |
| sdake_ | we aren't actually consuming the library atm | 22:26 |
| sdake_ | so its dead code for the most part | 22:26 |
| sdake_ | straight to the attic with no code changes in magnum | 22:26 |
| adrian_otto | so, we can delete the stackforge one, and keep an eye on the github one for enhancements that may help us | 22:26 |
| tcammann1 | +1 | 22:26 |
| adrian_otto | and selectively cherry pick things that make sense | 22:26 |
| hongbin | agree | 22:26 |
| eghobo | +1 | 22:27 |
| yuanying-alt | +1 | 22:27 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so that's a point of view that tcammann1 and hongbin, and sdake, eghobo, and yuanying-alt, and I agree on. Are there opposing points of view to hear before a decision? | 22:27 |
| sdake_ | its too bad larsks changed his mind but oh well +1 | 22:27 |
| daneyon | so, any heat template updates should be made here instead of h-c-t stackforge | 22:27 |
| daneyon | #link https://github.com/openstack/magnum/tree/master/magnum/templates | 22:27 |
| sdake_ | daneyon ack | 22:27 |
| daneyon | thx | 22:28 |
| sdake_ | and someone should move heat-coe-templates to attic | 22:28 |
| juggler | not opposing here. is there any value to an archival copy of that stackforge one? [in other words, is the delete absolute and final?] | 22:28 |
| adrian_otto | dane_leblanc: yes, or also to the upstream if they are not Magnum specific and you want to be a good open source citizen | 22:28 |
| sdake_ | juggler you can't delete stackforge projects, they go to an attic | 22:28 |
| adrian_otto | sorry dane_leblanc, that was for daneyon | 22:28 |
| sdake_ | where they are permanent | 22:28 |
| juggler | ah, cool | 22:28 |
| juggler | +1 then | 22:28 |
| adrian_otto | tcammann1: are you willing to own the task of putting it into attic? | 22:29 |
| juggler | thx sdake | 22:29 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I'm not hearing any opposition, so I'm going to record this as an #agreed | 22:29 |
| tcammann1 | adrian_otto: yep | 22:29 |
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| adrian_otto | #agreed tcammann will move heat-coe-templates to the attic, and we will maintain the existing fork in the magnum tree for Magnum heat templates at https://github.com/openstack/magnum/tree/master/magnum/templates | 22:30 |
| adrian_otto | if there are objections, I can still undo. | 22:30 |
| sdake_ | i think itw ould be helpful to annoucne on ml the retirement of that repo | 22:31 |
| sdake_ | and the reason behind it | 22:31 |
| sdake_ | and the reason it was created in teh first place ;) | 22:31 |
| adrian_otto | #action tcammann to move heat-coe-templates repo to project attic, and to relay our resolution on the ML thread: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-July/068381.html | 22:31 |
| sdake_ | (bhind the retirement) | 22:31 |
| tcammann1 | ok! | 22:32 |
| sdake_ | wfm - such a shame but oh well :) | 22:32 |
| adrian_otto | also, it would be helpful, tcammann1 if you would find the original thread, and follow up to that one too with a link to the relevant archived message | 22:32 |
| adrian_otto | does that make sense? | 22:32 |
| adrian_otto | the one where we discussed the creation of that repo | 22:33 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Keystone Support and Devstack Broken Gate | 22:33 |
| sdake_ | ya thread necromancy generally bad idea but i guess it couldn't hurt here | 22:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Keystone Support and Devstack Broken Gate (Meeting topic: containers)" | 22:33 | |
| adrian_otto | Magnum's gates broke on 7/10 because of a change in Devstack. | 22:33 |
| tcammann1 | :) sdake_ adrian_otto can do also | 22:33 |
| adrian_otto | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-July/069398.html Problem Overview | 22:33 |
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| adrian_otto | long term this gets obviated by: | 22:34 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-keystone-v3 Keystone v3 API Support Blueprint | 22:34 |
| adrian_otto | The actual issue was solved by merging workaround from Hongbin: | 22:34 |
| tcammann1 | thanks for that hongbin | 22:34 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/200835 Workaround for Devstack bug | 22:34 |
| juggler | yeah hongbin! | 22:34 |
| adrian_otto | Once Devstack is fixed, we can back this back out in accordance with: | 22:34 |
| hongbin | NP | 22:34 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/magnum/+bug/1474152 Tech Debt: Reverse temporary gate fix | 22:34 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1474152 in Magnum "Tech Debt: Reverse temporary gate fix" [Low,Triaged] | 22:34 |
| adrian_otto | any questions on this? | 22:35 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Blueprint/Bug Review | 22:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprint/Bug Review (Meeting topic: containers)" | 22:36 | |
| adrian_otto | New Blueprints for Discussion | 22:36 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/hyperstack Power Magnum to run on metal with Hyper | 22:36 |
| * adrian_otto looks for the ML thread link | 22:36 | |
| adrian_otto | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-July/068574.html Hyper Magnum Integration Discussion | 22:37 |
| adrian_otto | there are open questions with active discussion | 22:37 |
| adrian_otto | please keep an eye on that one | 22:37 |
| adrian_otto | it could potentially be a compelling feature for us | 22:37 |
| adrian_otto | any concerns? If not I will revisit it next week | 22:38 |
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| sdake | i like the idea, would be nice if it ran a coe on top | 22:38 |
| sdake | such as kubernetes/etc | 22:38 |
| sdake | rather then just raw docker | 22:38 |
| adrian_otto | sdake: it might actually work under another coe | 22:38 |
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| hongbin | So the integration point is k8s or magnum? | 22:38 |
| sdake | i get that, I htink that is what I just said ;0 | 22:38 |
| adrian_otto | so you might use it in combination with our existing Bay types | 22:38 |
| eghobo | I am still not sure why integration need to be done at Magnum level | 22:38 |
| adrian_otto | eghobo: that's one of the questions in the thread | 22:39 |
| adrian_otto | I suggested that it might make more sense as a nova virt driver | 22:39 |
| eghobo | I have the same opnion | 22:39 |
| hongbin | That nova team accept the proposal, then it makes sence | 22:39 |
| adrian_otto | ok, we'll come back to this again next week | 22:39 |
| adrian_otto | Essential Blueprint Updates | 22:40 |
| eghobo | or they need to integrate with Kub or Messos | 22:40 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/objects-from-bay Obtain the objects from the bay endpoint (sdake) | 22:40 |
| sdake | so i've spent some more time on this | 22:40 |
| sdake | it needs to be broken into two peices at minimum | 22:40 |
| sdake | peice one is read operations | 22:40 |
| sdake | piece two is write operations | 22:40 |
| sdake | read easier then write | 22:40 |
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| sdake | i have not written much code at all | 22:41 |
| sdake | mainly because devstack is busted on f21 atm | 22:41 |
| sdake | so i am unable to do dev | 22:41 |
| adrian_otto | is this at risk, or should we remain calm? | 22:41 |
| daneyon | or magnum will need to support different container runtimes per bay or within a bay | 22:41 |
| sdake | remain calm for l3 | 22:41 |
| sdake | at risk for l2 | 22:41 |
| adrian_otto | ok | 22:41 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/secure-kubernetes Secure the client/server communication between ReST client and ReST server (madhuri) | 22:41 |
| adrian_otto | madhuri_: ^^ | 22:41 |
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| adrian_otto | this one is at risk | 22:42 |
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| madhuri_ | Agree | 22:42 |
| adrian_otto | I'm escalating with the Barbican team on the CA portion | 22:42 |
| sdake | is the client all set madhuri? | 22:42 |
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| madhuri_ | I just saw reply mail | 22:42 |
| sdake | or do you need hep there | 22:42 |
| madhuri_ | Yes | 22:42 |
| adrian_otto | if that effort fails, we'll need a plan-B | 22:42 |
| madhuri_ | Client all set | 22:42 |
| sdake | lets try to bring in Dave McCowan | 22:42 |
| sdake | he is keen to work in this area | 22:42 |
| madhuri_ | Yes we need a B-plan for sure | 22:42 |
| sdake | although he said he may nto be available for antoher week or more | 22:42 |
| sdake | he is definately a security expert | 22:43 |
| sdake | he is the cat who wrote the doc for us that got us kicked off | 22:43 |
| madhuri_ | That would be a great help sdake | 22:43 |
| adrian_otto | ok, madhuri_ if we don't eel comfortable by your end of day thursday | 22:43 |
| adrian_otto | let's get on the ML and arrange a Plan-B | 22:43 |
| madhuri_ | +1 adrian_otto | 22:43 |
| adrian_otto | thanks sdake | 22:43 |
| juggler | thx madhuri/sdake | 22:44 |
| adrian_otto | feel free to ping me at that time | 22:44 |
| madhuri_ | Sure | 22:44 |
| adrian_otto | next BP | 22:44 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/external-lb Support the kubernetes service external-load-balancer feature (sdake) | 22:44 |
| sdake | i dont know why that is assigned to me | 22:44 |
| adrian_otto | Tango: ^ | 22:44 |
| sdake | isn't thtat tango's blueprint? | 22:44 |
| adrian_otto | I will fix that for next week, sorry | 22:44 |
| Tango | Yep :) | 22:44 |
| adrian_otto | it's just wrong in the agenda | 22:44 |
| sdake | ok | 22:44 |
| sdake | ya i'm at capacity | 22:45 |
| Tango | I made some progress, got version 0.19 to run on Magnum | 22:45 |
| adrian_otto | oh, good! | 22:45 |
| Tango | It was configuration, as sdake said | 22:45 |
| sdake | tango note we will want ot get the kube dudes to fix problems soon as they release in a week I think :) | 22:46 |
| Tango | It was just not documented anywhere so it was painful to discover | 22:46 |
| adrian_otto | Tango: do you have enough help to succeed with this? | 22:46 |
| madhuri_ | bad documentation, agree Tango | 22:46 |
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| juggler | is it documented somewhere now? | 22:47 |
| sdake | tango any bugs for the template to be corrected then? | 22:47 |
| sdake | we will want magnum to run on kube master soon because middle of july is release of kube 1.0 | 22:48 |
| Tango | Yes, I will update the template when we decide to move on to the newer version | 22:48 |
| adrian_otto | what is gating that decision? | 22:48 |
| sdake | lets move now | 22:48 |
| eghobo | actually next Tue ;) | 22:48 |
| sdake | as soon as the tempaltes are working | 22:48 |
| sdake | typically it taes u 3-5 days to fix the templates after a major revision | 22:49 |
| Tango | I do have an issue with the image building for atomic. | 22:49 |
| sdake | so lets suffer the pain now | 22:49 |
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| adrian_otto | Agreed, let's get on that version. We are going to have to do it before the Liberty release anyway | 22:49 |
| Tango | One of the binary is broken and I am not sure why: kube-apiserver | 22:49 |
| adrian_otto | ok, that's a good reason not to | 22:50 |
| Tango | I have to work around, so that's why the templates are not in perfect shape yet | 22:50 |
| Tango | I mean the binary is OK, just that when we create the Atomic image, Atomic broke it somehow | 22:50 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so as soon as that's resolved, let's proceed to moving to 0.19 | 22:50 |
| Tango | Yes, I will line up the patches to move on | 22:51 |
| sdake | it must be the nulecule | 22:51 |
| juggler | nulecule? | 22:51 |
| adrian_otto | ok, thanks | 22:51 |
| sdake | tango make sure to put in a request people actually test it rather then eyeball it | 22:51 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I have a couple more BP's to get stauts on | 22:52 |
| sdake | and i can ad dyou to the magnum group so you can upload the image | 22:52 |
| sdake | contact me offline | 22:52 |
| Tango | ok | 22:52 |
| adrian_otto | thanks for your help with this sdake | 22:52 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-swarm-scheduling Provide container anti-affinity through swarm constraint filtering (diga) | 22:52 |
| adrian_otto | I'm not sure why we marked this one as Essential | 22:52 |
| sdake | me either | 22:53 |
| adrian_otto | I think it's important, but I think we could live without it | 22:53 |
| sdake | doesn't look essential | 22:53 |
| adrian_otto | I'm planning to downgrade it to a Medium | 22:53 |
| adrian_otto | unless there is a good reason to keep it as-is | 22:53 |
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| adrian_otto | it is now a medium. I am willing to revisit it if there is/are (a) compelling argument(s) to consider | 22:54 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/secure-docker Secure client/server communication using TLS (apmelton) | 22:54 |
| juggler | +1 | 22:54 |
| adrian_otto | apmelton is not present today | 22:54 |
| mfalatic | +1 | 22:55 |
| adrian_otto | this one is a liberty-2 deliverable | 22:55 |
| adrian_otto | still marked as Not Started | 22:55 |
| tcammann1 | Think its heavily linked to the other TLS blueprint, and waiting on the outcome of it | 22:56 |
| adrian_otto | tha's what the dependency tree shows | 22:56 |
| adrian_otto | basically to implement this we take the same pattern we use in k8s bays, and apply it to Swarm bays | 22:57 |
| adrian_otto | so that should be a modest effort | 22:57 |
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| sdake | probably not going to hit l2 | 22:57 |
| adrian_otto | madhuri_: is this something you might be willing to tackle once we get the others solved? | 22:57 |
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| madhuri_ | If done with Kubernetes, I will take it | 22:57 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I'll add you as a subscriber | 22:58 |
| madhuri_ | Thanks | 22:58 |
| adrian_otto | done | 22:58 |
| adrian_otto | ok, that brings us to open discussion | 22:58 |
| adrian_otto | with only a moment remaining | 22:58 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 22:58 |
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| mfalatic | Thanks to all who helped me update the docs! | 22:58 |
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| adrian_otto | mfalatic: thanks for staying on-task for that | 22:59 |
| mfalatic | Also, be advised that tox is broken | 22:59 |
| sdake | sounds like needs fixing ;-) | 22:59 |
| dane_leblanc | I had a question on the redis example in the quick-start guide, I think it's just a redis issue, if anyone's familiar. Brought it up on the ml: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-July/069357.html | 22:59 |
| mfalatic | the mock requirements update means that if you have an old virtualenv it won't work | 22:59 |
| mfalatic | e.g., ubuntu 14.04 | 22:59 |
| madhuri_ | Magnum gate was faling yesterday due to new taskflow release | 22:59 |
| mfalatic | you have to upgrade virtualenv | 22:59 |
| mfalatic | https://rbtcollins.wordpress.com/2015/07/12/bootstrapping-developer-environments-for-openstack/ | 22:59 |
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| adrian_otto | Our next meeting is on 2015-07-21 at 1600 UTC. I look forward to seeing you then! | 23:00 |
| mfalatic | or just hammer it with sudo pip install -U virtualenv | 23:00 |
| adrian_otto | (sorry I have to end now) | 23:00 |
| mfalatic | ok | 23:00 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 23:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 14 23:00:17 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-07-14-22.00.html | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-07-14-22.00.txt | 23:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-07-14-22.00.log.html | 23:00 |
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