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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 23 15:00:14 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
| ganso_ | hello | 15:00 |
| csaba | hi | 15:00 |
| markstur | hi | 15:00 |
| xyang1 | Hi | 15:00 |
| vponomaryov | hi | 15:00 |
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| zhongjun2 | hi | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:01 |
| toabctl | hi | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | #topic midcycle meetup | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "midcycle meetup (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:02 | |
| bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-liberty-midcycle-meetup | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | so it's just 1 week away! | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | right now the number of attendees on the etherpad looks small enough that a google hangout should accommodate everyone | 15:03 |
| bswartz | unless a bunch of people show up who didn't add their names | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | so I will setup the hangout and post the link | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | based on the proposed topics, I think we won't use the full 8 hours both days | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | we can probably end early, so those of you in europe don't have to stay up too late | 15:05 |
| bswartz | I still plan to put a schedule together with timeslots for the various topics | 15:06 |
| csaba | bswartz: it's early in Europe but we can think of compassionately to our Indian friends.. | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | csaba: with a remote meetup there's always a geography that gets screwed | 15:07 |
| bswartz | in our case it's california+pacific+asia | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | that's just due to where the core team is | 15:08 |
| csaba | bswartz: yes I know | 15:08 |
| vponomaryov | mkoderer: are you aware about meetup? | 15:08 |
| vponomaryov | mkoderer: want to pull up topic with tempest plugin? | 15:08 |
| bswartz | oh yeah that would be a great topic for the meetup | 15:09 |
| bswartz | if mkoderer can attend | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | anyways there's a reminder on the ML now and I'll be handling the video/audio | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | expect a schedule with timeslots for the topics (which we will adhere to loosely) | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | I'll make it clear when I post a schedule that we might run early or late | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | oh and, obviously there won't be an IRC meeting next week due to the meetup | 15:12 |
| bswartz | I'll update the wiki to reflect that | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | #topic CI deadline for L-2 | 15:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI deadline for L-2 (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:12 | |
| bswartz | L-2 is next week | 15:13 |
| kaisers_ | Hi | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | in fact the milestone overlaps with the midcycle, so if there is any code that needs discussion before merging in L-2 we could use the meetup to cover it | 15:14 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: do we have some desicion about versioned objects? | 15:14 |
| bswartz | if you haven't heard from me yet about CI, expect an email | 15:14 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: we have in gerrit some commits according to it | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: let's make that the next topic | 15:15 |
| bswartz | I want to finish CI | 15:15 |
| vponomaryov | ok | 15:15 |
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| ganso_ | CI has a deadline for L-2, and another deadline for L-3, correct? | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | just to remind everyone, by L-2 we expect all driver maintainers to have their CI account and they should be in the progress of getting the system working | 15:16 |
| kaisers_ | Ack | 15:16 |
| zhongjun2 | I want to discussion about huawei-driver-support-dedup-compression blueprint. | 15:16 |
| bswartz | those that aren't posting results yet must have tempest running on their backends and must be able to share log of a tempest on their backend | 15:17 |
| cFouts | ./ | 15:17 |
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| bswartz | if you have any tempest tests failing, you must have bugs filed in LP | 15:17 |
| bswartz | the L-3 deadline involves the CI system posting on changes, and if you haven't made progress on getting your system working, you probably won't meet the L-3 deadline | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz, csaba: in that case gluster driver just can not pass tempest apriori | 15:18 |
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| vponomaryov | because of unskipable 'snapshot' tests | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: gluster doesn't do snapshots? | 15:18 |
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| csaba | vponomaryov, bswartz : not at the moment, we are working towards that | 15:19 |
| vponomaryov | bswatz; no, #link https://github.com/openstack/manila/blob/4dbe4294/manila/share/drivers/glusterfs.py#L409 | 15:19 |
| bswartz | csaba: will it happen by L-3? | 15:19 |
| kaisers_ | That is a topic for Quobyte, too | 15:19 |
| csaba | bswartz: yes | 15:19 |
| vponomaryov | csaba: share craetion from snapshot too? | 15:20 |
| csaba | bswartz: we don't have a dedicated bp but this bp: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/modular-glusterfs-share-layouts will imply that | 15:20 |
| bswartz | we've discussed the snapshot requirement a few times -- my stance is that you don't need to have an efficient implementation, but it does need to meet the snapshot semantics for us to call it a manila driver | 15:20 |
| bswartz | snapshots are part of the manila API and if you can't implement them you can't provide manila users a reasonable experience | 15:21 |
| csaba | vponomaryov: yes, that will be added too soon | 15:21 |
| bswartz | does anyone disagree with that statement? are there any in favor of allowing snapshot-less drivers? | 15:21 |
| kaisers_ | I haven't gone far into that so far. But we'll check what we can do about that. | 15:21 |
| vponomaryov | huawei | 15:21 |
| vponomaryov | does not have snapshots too | 15:21 |
| bswartz | (just a note: we allowed some snapshotless driver in previous releases with the understand that snapshots were going to be implemented later) | 15:21 |
| cknight | bswartz: Snapshots seem like a reasonable minimum requirement. | 15:22 |
| lpabon | i think we need to be more specific, which glusterfs driver csaba do you need to work on to support snapshots? | 15:22 |
| bswartz | I won't hold it against anyone who disagrees but as a community we have to reach a common understanding | 15:22 |
| vponomaryov | correction: huawei driver does not have creation of a share from snapshot | 15:22 |
| lpabon | and which driver has it already | 15:22 |
| toabctl | vponomaryov: is huawei working on snapshot support? | 15:22 |
| rraja | lpabon: glusterfs_native driver supports snapshots and glusterfs (NFS) driver does not. | 15:22 |
| csaba | lpabon: vponomaryov was specific, the gluster driver does not have create_snapshot | 15:23 |
| vponomaryov | toabctl -> zhongjun2 | 15:23 |
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| csaba | lpabon: create_from_snapshot is not supported by either gluster* driver ATM | 15:23 |
| lpabon | ok, cool | 15:23 |
| bswartz | I suggest that all of the drivers that can't implement snapshots properly might want to get together and see if there's a common mechanism they can use to emulate snapshots well enough to support the API | 15:24 |
| kaisers_ | I do see the use of snapshot but I'm not sure about them being a req. for shared volumes in Manila. | 15:24 |
| kaisers_ | Ok | 15:24 |
| bswartz | data copying might be involved, but that's okay | 15:24 |
| zhongjun2 | Huawei is not support create_from_snapshot now. | 15:24 |
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| kaisers_ | Ideas about where to find previous discussions? I'll read that... | 15:25 |
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| vponomaryov | zhongjun2: what plans do you have about it? | 15:25 |
| lpabon | is there a time limit for create_from_snapshot api? | 15:25 |
| zhongjun2 | but I will support create_from_snapshot use another method. | 15:25 |
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| csaba | lpabon: L3 | 15:26 |
| lpabon | no, i mean, in the API itself, once the request is being process, is there a timeout | 15:26 |
| bswartz | lpabon: you can't pass the tempest tests without snapshots working | 15:26 |
| csaba | lpabon: ah OK | 15:26 |
| bswartz | oh, no | 15:27 |
| lpabon | ah, ok, that helps | 15:27 |
| bswartz | snapshots can take time proportional to the size of the share | 15:27 |
| cknight | lpabon: The semantics of the API must work, but inefficient copies are OK if that's all you can do. | 15:27 |
| bswartz | it's not ideal but at least it works | 15:27 |
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| zhongjun2 | not implement on array. Mount new share and snapshot to host, and then data copy from snapshot to new share. | 15:27 |
| lpabon | yeah, cool. baby steps :-) | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | we have a topic about minimum features at the midcycle | 15:28 |
| bswartz | I'm sure snapshots will be the center of discussion there | 15:29 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: maybe we need to create some map with features and its support in drivers? | 15:29 |
| bswartz | please come with helpful suggestions | 15:29 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: yes that would be great if we had that | 15:30 |
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| u_glide2 | vponomaryov: +1 in documentation | 15:30 |
| zhongjun2 | +1 | 15:30 |
| ganso_ | vponomaryov: +1 | 15:30 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: would you like to create an empty map and we can ask driver maintainers to fill it in before the meetup? | 15:30 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: sure | 15:31 |
| bswartz | thanks | 15:31 |
| vponomaryov | I will fill it with values for Generic driver | 15:31 |
| bswartz | okay anything else about CI? | 15:31 |
| bswartz | I'm hearing that snapshot support is a sticking point for the CI requirement, but aside from that, any issues? | 15:32 |
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| bswartz | anyone need help and not getting it? | 15:32 |
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| bswartz | okay | 15:33 |
| bswartz | #topic versioned objects | 15:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "versioned objects (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:33 | |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: what did you want to discuss about this? | 15:33 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: first get know, do we have any desicion about it? | 15:33 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: like implement but after some feature appears, or implement anytime | 15:34 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: we haven't discussed it recently | 15:34 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: no do not implement at all | 15:34 |
| bswartz | is there a gerrit change still in review? | 15:34 |
| cknight | bswartz: yes | 15:34 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: ьщку ерфт щту | 15:35 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: more than one | 15:35 |
| u_glide2 | we wait for appearance of indirection api https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176654/1/specs/liberty/indirection-api.rst | 15:35 |
| cknight | bswartz: This is something we may need, but IMO we have other things to focus on for Liberty. | 15:36 |
| u_glide2 | in oslo lib | 15:36 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: I added a topic for midcycle meetup because we should discuss it again | 15:36 |
| cknight | bswartz: Same goes for API microversions. | 15:36 |
| cknight | bswartz: (Which we can discuss next week if you like.) | 15:36 |
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| u_glide2 | +100 to API microversions in liberty | 15:37 |
| bswartz | well microversions has huge obvious advantages | 15:37 |
| bswartz | versioned objects has advantages but it seems there are alternatives | 15:38 |
| cknight | I had microversions ported to Manila before the last summit, but the working session rooms weren't conducive to a demo. | 15:38 |
| cknight | I can do that next week if y'all want. | 15:38 |
| bswartz | Let's talk about both | 15:39 |
| u_glide2 | cknight: +1 | 15:39 |
| cknight | bswartz: OK, I'll add microversions to the agenda. | 15:39 |
| vponomaryov | u_glide2: where is additional 99 ? =) | 15:39 |
| bswartz | cknight: already done | 15:39 |
| cknight | bswartz: I see that :-) | 15:39 |
| u_glide2 | vponomaryov: +99 to actual implementation in gerrit :) | 15:39 |
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| bswartz | okay | 15:40 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:40 |
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| bswartz | anything else? | 15:40 |
| zhongjun2 | I have a question about one blueprint. link:https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197413/ | 15:40 |
| bswartz | I wanted to ask about the instability in the gate | 15:40 |
| zhongjun2 | We all have the same capability, How about we consisitent the capabilities of dedup and compression, | 15:40 |
| zhongjun2 | use capabilities:dedup='<is> true'. The CapabilityFilter can choose backend in netapp, huawei, or the vendor of support this capabilities. | 15:40 |
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| u_glide2 | Share Instance is ready for review https://review.openstack.org/202486/ | 15:41 |
| u_glide2 | Folks, please go ahead! :) | 15:41 |
| bswartz | zhongjun2: yes | 15:41 |
| cknight | u_glide2: working on it… | 15:41 |
| bswartz | zhongjun2: this is an area where cinder has struggled | 15:41 |
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| markstur | Yes for common capabilities | 15:41 |
| bswartz | zhongjun2: ideally we should agree on capability names for things that really are the same | 15:41 |
| bswartz | and document those common capabilities | 15:41 |
| markstur | Do we need to distinguish backends that support dedup from backends that imply dedup is on? | 15:41 |
| markstur | Same with thin_support is it enabled or an option | 15:42 |
| bswartz | markstur: if a backend has dedup always-on then it should advertise the capability | 15:42 |
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| markstur | For vendor-scoped it is easy, but for common capabilities we might need taht clarified | 15:42 |
| markstur | bswartz, Good. But capabilities:dedup or capabilities:dedup_enabled | 15:43 |
| bswartz | it's up to the admin to decide if he care about making dedup something that is a value-added feature | 15:43 |
| bswartz | if none of the share_types have a dedup extra spec it won't matter | 15:43 |
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| bswartz | and I seriously doubt anyone would put dedup=False in a share_type extra spec | 15:43 |
| markstur | Yeah. So maybe just "dedup" is enough | 15:44 |
| bswartz | markstur: yeah that's what we need to agree on and document | 15:44 |
| markstur | So would netapp drop the scoped dedup and just do it whenever it is a capability? | 15:44 |
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| markstur | bswartz, was already there (kinda) | 15:45 |
| bswartz | markstur: we'd most likely to both, just to maintain backwads compatibility | 15:45 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: "Common capabilities" duplicated | 15:45 |
| bswartz | there's no harm in having multiple capabilities that mean the same thing | 15:45 |
| vponomaryov | it is already there | 15:45 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: already where | 15:45 |
| markstur | there is harm in duplicate agenda items | 15:45 |
| vponomaryov | in topic list | 15:45 |
| markstur | :) | 15:46 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: lines 31-33 | 15:46 |
| bswartz | oh doh | 15:46 |
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| bswartz | thanks | 15:46 |
| vponomaryov | )) | 15:46 |
| zhongjun2 | How about review this bp link:https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197413/ and Discussion in bp too? | 15:47 |
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| bswartz | zhongjun2: we don't really do discussion in BPs -- usually its in these meetings or in gerrit reviews | 15:47 |
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| bswartz | but we will get to that code review | 15:47 |
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| bswartz | u_glide2's is top of my list | 15:48 |
| bswartz | so my question was about gate instability | 15:48 |
| bswartz | aside from the mock issues that we've been hit with, do we have any randomly failing tests still? | 15:48 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: yes, there is some | 15:49 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: which tests? | 15:49 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: today I saw several times that "extend share" in tempest failed | 15:49 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: because of error in "device attach" in Nova | 15:50 |
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| bswartz | was there a nova change that causes it? | 15:50 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: looks like retry did not help | 15:50 |
| kaisers_ | 've got to go, bye | 15:50 |
| bswartz | or is it probably a test bug? | 15:50 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: it is unstable error - couple of times for a day | 15:50 |
| vponomaryov | also kaisers_'s suffer from instability greatly =) | 15:51 |
| bswartz | as we make CI requried we need to make sure that the tests themselves don't have weird race conditions that cause problems, and we need to prioritize fixing broken tests | 15:51 |
| vponomaryov | kaisers_'s commit | 15:51 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:51 |
| u_glide2 | bswartz: in extend share case we have race conditions in cinder/nova | 15:52 |
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| bswartz | why can't we work around those | 15:52 |
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| bswartz | if cinder extend is itself broken that's a whole other issue | 15:53 |
| bswartz | but the test should make it possible for well-written drivers to pass all the time | 15:53 |
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| bswartz | okay well that's all I had | 15:54 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz:well-written drivers can skip "extend" feature" and do not have such "great" dependency as "very" stable Nova + Cinder =) | 15:54 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: okay that's another discussion | 15:55 |
| bswartz | thanks everyone | 15:55 |
| bswartz | see you next week at the meetup | 15:55 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 23 15:55:26 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-07-23-15.00.html | 15:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-07-23-15.00.txt | 15:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-07-23-15.00.log.html | 15:55 |
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| xarses | #startmeeting fuel | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 23 16:00:55 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xarses. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| xarses | #chair xarses | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: xarses | 16:01 |
| mwhahaha | ahoy | 16:01 |
| xarses | Todays Agenda: | 16:01 |
| xarses | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:01 |
| xarses | Who's here? | 16:01 |
| bookwar | hi | 16:01 |
| vkramskikh | hi | 16:01 |
| ikalnitsky | \o/ | 16:01 |
| IvanKliuk | hi | 16:01 |
| jaranovich | hi | 16:01 |
| maximov | hi | 16:01 |
| kpimenova | hi | 16:01 |
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| MorAle | o/ | 16:01 |
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| xenolog13 | hi | 16:01 |
| akislitsky | hi | 16:01 |
| tatyana | hi | 16:01 |
| evgenyl | hi | 16:01 |
| xarses | #topic Auto-abandon and current status with code reviews (mihgen) | 16:01 |
| warpc__ | hi | 16:01 |
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| rvyalov | hi | 16:01 |
| agordeev | hi | 16:01 |
| igorbelikov | hi | 16:01 |
| mattymo_ | hi | 16:02 |
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| xarses | mike's not here, lets circle back | 16:02 |
| xarses | #topic The status of fuel-upgrade code and upgrading of the Fuel Master node to 7.0 (ogelbukh) | 16:02 |
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| rmoe | hi | 16:02 |
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| alex_didenko | 0/ | 16:03 |
| ikalnitsky | alex_didenko: o/ | 16:04 |
| mihgen | sorry folks I'm late. I wanted to say about upgrades & FFE request - we need to get Nailgun cores to reply on ogelbukh email in openstack-dev | 16:04 |
| mihgen | risks needs to be estimated | 16:04 |
| kozhukalov | ogelbukh, please let's call it fuel-octane to avoid confusing with fuel-upgrade which is master node upgrade | 16:04 |
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| salmon_ | hi | 16:04 |
| mihgen | and if we have any suggestions on how to mitigate risks - please propose those. | 16:04 |
| alexz | o/ | 16:05 |
| xarses | ok, lets star over here, ogelbukh is not responing | 16:05 |
| xarses | mike lets start with auto-abandon | 16:05 |
| mihgen | xarses: sure | 16:05 |
| xarses | #topic Auto-abandon and current status with code reviews (mihgen) | 16:05 |
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| mihgen | folks I looked at date, and for all reviews we have recently (in last weeks) - we are doing very, very good job with reviews, providing prompt feedback | 16:06 |
| ogelbukh | hi | 16:06 |
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| mihgen | though at the same time, most of reviews come from cores, which means they are getting over loaded | 16:06 |
| mihgen | so that means that we need to have other developers reviewing more | 16:06 |
| mihgen | I'll come up with more detailed data separately. | 16:07 |
| mihgen | Now, regardarding stackalytics stats. They are in terrible shape still | 16:07 |
| mihgen | as we still didn't clean up all stalled reviews which sit there for months | 16:07 |
| mihgen | (at least as per yesterday's investigations) | 16:07 |
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| mihgen | So do you guys agree that we looked into it, and now just need to enable auto-abandon? | 16:08 |
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| mihgen | for everything which hangs for over a month? | 16:08 |
| ogelbukh | I guess mostly all things that sit for months are outdated and irrelevant | 16:08 |
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| evgenyl | +1 for enabling auto-abandon | 16:08 |
| mattymo_ | +1 | 16:08 |
| warpc__ | +1 | 16:09 |
| ikalnitsky | +1 | 16:09 |
| xarses | mihgen: +1 to enable -1 for 1moth | 16:09 |
| akasatkin | agree. but there are exceptions like specs. | 16:09 |
| xarses | lets start with 2 mo for now | 16:09 |
| xenolog13 | +1 for auto-abandon for requests with at least one "-1" | 16:09 |
| ogelbukh | +1 fwiw | 16:09 |
| xarses | and asses what is still in 1-2 moth old and why | 16:09 |
| evgenyl | xarses: what is the reason for 2 month? | 16:09 |
| mihgen | akasatkin: we need to provide feedback there then? | 16:09 |
| evgenyl | xarses: I think 1 month should be just fine. | 16:09 |
| ogelbukh | I don't think the specs are exception | 16:09 |
| xarses | items with -1,-2 because of FF | 16:09 |
| akasatkin | mihgen: yep, right | 16:09 |
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| xarses | dev wont touch them untill release most likely | 16:10 |
| mihgen | So folks but simple comment in there would reset the time, right? | 16:10 |
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| xarses | Would it? | 16:10 |
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| ogelbukh | well, it's not that difficult to activate something abandoned | 16:11 |
| mihgen | #link http://stackalytics.com/report/reviews/fuel-group/open | 16:11 |
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| evgenyl | As far as I know commenting works fine. | 16:11 |
| mihgen | yep. So according to comment from Neutron team I think, you can always make it back | 16:11 |
| ogelbukh | when it's time to look into it again | 16:11 |
| mihgen | we talk more | 16:11 |
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| ogelbukh | loooks like we're all in agreement here :) | 16:12 |
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| mihgen | so guys I think we just need to move forward with this. I can't get real numbers without doing this, and I really want real numbers as I still hear complaints that Fuel team doesn't do good job on code review | 16:12 |
| mihgen | ok. bookwar - how can we enable it? | 16:13 |
| mihgen | auto-abandon? | 16:13 |
| mihgen | anyone from devops team ? | 16:13 |
| bookwar | i don't think we can enable it on gerrit, we should just write script which does it | 16:13 |
| mihgen | we need to figure out how other teams do it | 16:13 |
| maximov | https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/tools/abandon_old_reviews.sh | 16:13 |
| mihgen | I think there should be something in infra.. | 16:14 |
| maximov | for example | 16:14 |
| ogelbukh | or rather reuse one out of existing ones | 16:14 |
| mihgen | can we have it as an action item for devops team? | 16:14 |
| xarses | ok, can we move this along, the schedule is full | 16:14 |
| mihgen | to run it this week | 16:14 |
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| mihgen | and then enable it periodically? | 16:14 |
| xarses | bookwar: can I assign it to you? | 16:14 |
| bookwar | xarses: no, on teran | 16:15 |
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| xarses | ok | 16:15 |
| xarses | lets move on, and write the results to the ML | 16:15 |
| mihgen | thanks guys, sorry it took long | 16:15 |
| xarses | #topic Features requiring FF exception (mihgen) | 16:15 |
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| mihgen | it has two subtopics, let's go into them | 16:15 |
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| xarses | #topic Cluster Upgrade FF exception request (ogelbukh) | 16:16 |
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| ogelbukh | I formally requested FFE for cluster upgrade nailgun API extensions | 16:16 |
| mihgen | python team - we need to respond on it | 16:16 |
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| mihgen | major things we have to consider is how risky changes are | 16:16 |
| mihgen | can they introduce regressions | 16:16 |
| ogelbukh | the patches are being actively worked on | 16:16 |
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| mihgen | and how much effort would it take from cores to review / test / land | 16:16 |
| evgenyl | mihgen: ogelbukh I will provide my thoughts about it in ML | 16:16 |
| ogelbukh | they are mostly separated from core functionality | 16:17 |
| mihgen | so we'd understand if it will lead to slip of the release dates or not. | 16:17 |
| mihgen | As for essential features we pretty much need to give exception | 16:17 |
| mihgen | ogelbukh: ok thanks | 16:17 |
| mihgen | other exception? xarses ? | 16:18 |
| xarses | #topic (FFE) Separate services from controller status (matt) <- Discuss gray area of plugin development | 16:18 |
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| mihgen | mattymo: ? | 16:19 |
| xarses | mattymo^^ | 16:19 |
| mattymo_ | hi sorry | 16:19 |
| mattymo_ | nick is messed up | 16:19 |
| xarses | #action teran will enable script to abandon stale commits over 1 moth and run it every once and a while | 16:19 |
| xarses | happens | 16:19 |
| mattymo_ | so Andrew Maksimov asked me to bring this up in FFE section because it's a gray area | 16:20 |
| mattymo_ | All core features to fuel-library are merged. All dependent features (network templates, VIP as plugin, role as plugin) are also merged. | 16:20 |
| mattymo_ | There are 3 plugins that demonstrate this feature's capability: https://github.com/mattymo/detach-database https://github.com/mattymo/detach-keystone https://github.com/mattymo/detach-rabbitmq | 16:20 |
| mattymo_ | The plan is to publish these plugins, but they are not part of fuel. | 16:20 |
| xarses | The whole point of plugins is that they don't have to conform to our release schedule | 16:20 |
| xarses | so I think this is a no-brainer | 16:20 |
| mattymo_ | the catch is they're not 100% ready. database and rabbitmq seem okay so far, but haven't been very extensively tested yet. keystone is a couple days from ready | 16:21 |
| xarses | if its 100% a plugin, then you don't need FFE | 16:21 |
| xarses | if you need something in fuel's core still then we need to discuss that | 16:21 |
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| mattymo_ | the reason they're behind is because on Monday my dependent features became ready, and I just haven't finished refactoring the plugins and removing workarounds | 16:21 |
| mihgen | yeah, though you need to ensure they are good for release time, along with good documentation | 16:21 |
| mattymo_ | I just want a verbal okay that these plugins don't impact FFE for delivery of this feature, which is, in fact, done | 16:21 |
| xarses | mattymo: so, will we end up with something into fuel core as a result of not using the work arounds? | 16:22 |
| mattymo_ | xarses, I'm sorry, I don't understand you | 16:22 |
| mihgen | in my opinion they don't directly impact, however we have to understand that success of the feature is when it's documented and people can take these plugins and use | 16:22 |
| mihgen | xarses: nope mattymo just need to polish plugins | 16:22 |
| xarses | as part of un-winding the workarounds, do you see any issues that might cause you to need to make new changes to fuel? | 16:22 |
| ogelbukh | guys, did you think about moving integrated db/amqp/keystone into plugins instead? | 16:23 |
| mattymo_ | xarses, I found some neat bugs, but no show stoppers yet | 16:23 |
| ogelbukh | and have core working with some abstract external entities of them | 16:23 |
| xarses | ok, so then you are in the clear as your plugin is not a fuel feature any longer | 16:23 |
| alex_didenko | fuel core allows you to separate components already, but don't provide any UI for it - this is job for plugins | 16:23 |
| mattymo_ | so far it looks like our features are implemented correctly | 16:23 |
| ogelbukh | ok, not keystone | 16:23 |
| mattymo_ | ogelbukh, we've enabled the _capability_ of a plugin devel to do this. You can just view the plugins and see how it's done with hiera | 16:23 |
| ogelbukh | k good | 16:24 |
| mihgen | ok so it's clear I think - I'm worried that instead of working on bugs, you'll need to spend time on plugins polishing | 16:24 |
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| mihgen | When can you finish with it and switch to bugs? | 16:24 |
| mattymo_ | mihgen, it's just a couple more days for keystone. and the rest is bugs time for sure | 16:24 |
| mihgen | ok good thanks | 16:25 |
| mihgen | we need you on bugs asap.. | 16:25 |
| xarses | ok, so lets wrap this one, I'll write a ML about the feature state of plugins | 16:25 |
| mattymo_ | bugs need me to be on them | 16:25 |
| mihgen | you are the most active bug squasher ) | 16:25 |
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| mihgen | let's move on thanks mattymo_ | 16:25 |
| xarses | #topic (FFE) flexible networking (akasatkin) | 16:25 |
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| akasatkin | We have one CR which is on review still: | 16:26 |
| akasatkin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/204321/ | 16:26 |
| akasatkin | It is CLI support for API for creation/removal of networks. | 16:26 |
| akasatkin | Other stuff is merged. Including 2 patches were landed today. | 16:26 |
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| xarses | #action xarses will write ML about plugins not being features, and their exemption from FF | 16:26 |
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| mihgen | sounds like almost excellent | 16:26 |
| mihgen | if it's only CLI, then it should not be very big deal... I hope | 16:26 |
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| mihgen | akasatkin: right | 16:27 |
| mihgen | ? | 16:27 |
| akasatkin | I hope we can merge it tomorrow. | 16:27 |
| mihgen | rmoe: it's -1ed by CI..., are you on it? | 16:27 |
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| akasatkin | It requires unit tests and testing. | 16:27 |
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| rmoe | yeah, I'll fix it up today | 16:27 |
| xarses | should we grant FF on the 2 CR's or the whole feature? | 16:27 |
| mihgen | only for patch, why 2? | 16:27 |
| xarses | I thought there where 2 | 16:28 |
| xarses | oh, 2 where landed | 16:28 |
| xarses | ok | 16:28 |
| akasatkin | We've landed other stuff today.. | 16:28 |
| mihgen | Only for CLI for flexible networking, I'd expect everyone else to focus on bugs right away | 16:28 |
| xarses | been busy =) | 16:28 |
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| mihgen | we are in terrible situation with bugs, that's why I don't want us to derail on anything else now.. | 16:28 |
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| xarses | python-fuelclient cores? | 16:28 |
| akasatkin | Okey. | 16:28 |
| mihgen | same here - we need other python cores to reply in openstack-dev | 16:28 |
| mihgen | about risks, etc. It seems like it's not risky at all to me, as it doesn't touch any core pieces | 16:29 |
| mihgen | ikalnitsky: will you reply.. ? ^^ | 16:29 |
| mihgen | xarses: moving on..? | 16:30 |
| xarses | yep | 16:30 |
| xarses | #topic The status of fuel-upgrade code and upgrading of the Fuel Master node to 7.0 (ogelbukh) | 16:30 |
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| xarses | seems ogelbukh is missing | 16:31 |
| ogelbukh | just wanted to clarify the status of the upgrade tarball and scripts | 16:31 |
| xarses | nvm | 16:31 |
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| mihgen | I have related question about bootstrap on ubuntu & upgrades.. | 16:32 |
| kozhukalov | currently upgrade scripts are located in new repo | 16:32 |
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| kozhukalov | stackforge/fuel-upgrade | 16:32 |
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| kozhukalov | i am working on getting rid of tarball | 16:32 |
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| kozhukalov | i need to modify script itself to make sure it works | 16:33 |
| kozhukalov | without tarball | 16:33 |
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| mihgen | kozhukalov: you want to make a package instead? | 16:33 |
| kozhukalov | yes, | 16:33 |
| kozhukalov | rpm package | 16:33 |
| mihgen | kozhukalov: how much it will take? | 16:33 |
| kozhukalov | without venv and without rpm and deb mirrors inside | 16:34 |
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| kozhukalov | mihgen, hard to say, probably another week | 16:34 |
| mihgen | I'm asking as we are in a pretty shaky situation with bugs and we need to focus on stabilization and bugs at first | 16:34 |
| mihgen | so if there are anything related to your area of expertise I'd say I'd love to see some progress in bugs.. | 16:35 |
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| kozhukalov | we've been always in such situation | 16:35 |
| kozhukalov | so i hope to deal with tarball with minimum affection on our whole process | 16:36 |
| mihgen | ok I'll follow up on this separately let's move on | 16:36 |
| kozhukalov | mihgen, sure, i am trying to help with review | 16:36 |
| xarses | #topic Separate services from controller status (mattymo) | 16:37 |
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| mihgen | mattymo_: ^^ | 16:38 |
| mihgen | xarses: let's move on | 16:38 |
| xarses | #topic The status of node labels feature (jaranovich) | 16:39 |
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| jaranovich | the feature includes 3 requests, 2 of them are already merged (spec and ui part). The latest one is the CLI changes https://review.openstack.org/#/c/204524/ | 16:39 |
| jaranovich | This request is on review, its author is fixing comments and we are going to merge it asap. Today we showed a demo on this request. The base node labels flow in cli was approved, the gaps are discussed. So, the question is about fixing some comments and collecting +1s | 16:39 |
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| xarses | jaranovich: is there any risk for this not being merged today? | 16:40 |
| mihgen | guys this is +390, -35 | 16:40 |
| jaranovich | i think yes | 16:40 |
| mihgen | no reviews | 16:40 |
| mihgen | I don't see a way for it | 16:40 |
| jaranovich | there were +1s | 16:40 |
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| jaranovich | but the only one -1 and we are working on it | 16:41 |
| xarses | jaranovich: should we get FFE for this? | 16:41 |
| vkramskikh | there were decent review activity during today | 16:41 |
| mihgen | -1 from SMEs | 16:41 |
| mihgen | guys you'd need email in openstack-dev with FFE then | 16:41 |
| mihgen | I don't like it | 16:41 |
| xarses | its all fuelclient | 16:41 |
| xarses | so it might be ok for FFE | 16:41 |
| mihgen | it's not an essential feature, and we already requesting exception for flexible nets | 16:41 |
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| jaranovich | ok, i'll write to openstack-dev | 16:41 |
| xarses | but we should request it | 16:41 |
| mihgen | in same area | 16:41 |
| xarses | jaranovich: any other risks? | 16:42 |
| mihgen | so before we are done with flexible networking I won't even work on this one | 16:42 |
| vkramskikh | yep, UI and backend parts are merged, I don't think we should postpone thes feature because of fuelclient | 16:42 |
| vkramskikh | we'll request FFE | 16:42 |
| jaranovich | no, the base flow of cli commands was accepted on the demo. we need just +1s | 16:42 |
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| ikalnitsky | it's a patch to fuel2. i think there's a minimal risk that it breaks something | 16:42 |
| mihgen | there should be clear focus for everyone: essentials at first, and keep bugs in manageable state | 16:42 |
| xarses | ok, moving on then | 16:42 |
| mihgen | yep.. | 16:43 |
| xarses | #topic Bugs status & focus for the team (mihgen) | 16:43 |
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| mihgen | so folks I mined data | 16:43 |
| mihgen | and we still keep our bugs # growing | 16:43 |
| mihgen | we are above the guideline for sure to converge by HCF | 16:44 |
| mihgen | which is 3rd of September | 16:44 |
| mihgen | so guys I urge you to switch to bugs right after you are done with feature work | 16:44 |
| mihgen | we can't work on other features just yet if we want to hit release dates | 16:45 |
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| mihgen | I'll be tracking it and will present data next meeting | 16:45 |
| mihgen | any comments? | 16:45 |
| mihgen | xarses: let's move on.. | 16:46 |
| xarses | #topic fuel-devops 2.9.10 released (bookwar) | 16:46 |
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| bookwar | just an announcement | 16:47 |
| bookwar | so fuel-devops has been released today | 16:47 |
| bookwar | and we plan to switch to it | 16:47 |
| mihgen | any page with new features / bug fixes? | 16:47 |
| xarses | now with virtualbox? | 16:47 |
| mihgen | bookwar: when do we plan to switch? | 16:47 |
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| mihgen | I hope before SCF ;) | 16:47 |
| bookwar | fuel-qa requirements has not been updates yet, so fuel-qa is still working with 2.9.9 | 16:47 |
| mihgen | and not these few hot days | 16:48 |
| bookwar | but as soon as we switch everyone will need to update local copy | 16:48 |
| bookwar | because tests will become incompatible | 16:48 |
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| mihgen | looks like we'd need more details for dev teams? | 16:49 |
| bookwar | qa team requested to switch today, but it looks like we should wait for FF, so we delaying the switch for weekend or next week | 16:49 |
| mihgen | action item for QA? Who has been working on new fuel-devops..? | 16:49 |
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| mihgen | bookwar: +1 for not doing it in the next couple of days | 16:49 |
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| mihgen | anyone from QA? | 16:50 |
| bookwar | we should probably ask dtyzhnenko to send the announce to openstack-dev | 16:50 |
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| mihgen | #action maximov ask QA to email everyone about new fuel-devops | 16:50 |
| mihgen | I'll do it this way ) ^^ | 16:50 |
| mihgen | xarses: moving on? | 16:51 |
| bookwar | so that's it from me :) | 16:51 |
| xarses | #topic (?) update iso build process(rpm\deb\repositories\nailgun pinning\IBP) (azvyagintsev) | 16:51 |
| mihgen | thanks bookwar for raising this | 16:51 |
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| xarses | azvyagintsev is not here, moving on | 16:52 |
| xarses | #topic Enable deployment through Packer and Vagrant, and/or publish vagrant boxes and Vagrantfiles for "standard" deployments locally (crimi) | 16:52 |
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| mihgen | crimi seems to be not here too | 16:53 |
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| xarses | #topic is it ok to split fuel-web git repo after FF? (kozhukalov) | 16:53 |
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| kozhukalov | ok, guys, i am working on this | 16:54 |
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| kozhukalov | and i should know if it is ok | 16:54 |
| mihgen | I don't really like to work on this after FF. As I said, we are in bad situations with bugs | 16:54 |
| mihgen | we need this | 16:54 |
| kozhukalov | my opinion here is it is the most suitable time for this | 16:54 |
| mihgen | and we would ideally do it before FF | 16:54 |
| mihgen | now it would need not only your time, but also devops, and other developers to review / test | 16:55 |
| mihgen | QA | 16:55 |
| kozhukalov | mihgen, we are in bad with bugs because we never invest enough time to improve our development processes | 16:55 |
| salmon_ | splitting ans setting up CI may take even week | 16:55 |
| mihgen | and all of those have not planned for it | 16:55 |
| salmon_ | *and | 16:55 |
| mihgen | kozhukalov: then it means we have to do better planning | 16:55 |
| mihgen | but once we are committed, we are committed | 16:55 |
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| mihgen | we need to meet deadlines | 16:56 |
| mihgen | no slip this release | 16:56 |
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| kozhukalov | just question who managed to notice that fuel-upgrade in new repo since the beginning of this week? | 16:56 |
| kozhukalov | or fuel-agent? | 16:56 |
| kozhukalov | nothing broken | 16:57 |
| kozhukalov | developers are not blocked | 16:57 |
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| alex_didenko | the only problem is re-submitting patches, I've noticed few | 16:57 |
| mihgen | I provide my POV. You increase risk of delivery in time | 16:57 |
| mihgen | Goal is to deliever quality code in time | 16:58 |
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| mihgen | you are working on orthogonal now | 16:58 |
| mihgen | even though from best ideas, which we need | 16:58 |
| mihgen | but it's just not the right timing for it | 16:58 |
| kozhukalov | ok, when the right time for this? | 16:58 |
| mihgen | alex_didenko's team trying their best with bugs, dedicated team, and bugs ## still grows | 16:58 |
| kozhukalov | we will never have enough time and stable enough code to do this | 16:59 |
| mihgen | kozhukalov: after we get better with bugs situation, and in next release timeframe | 16:59 |
| mihgen | plan for it | 16:59 |
| mihgen | it has to be agreed way before FF | 16:59 |
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| mihgen | this simply was not in the scope | 16:59 |
| kozhukalov | let's discuss this p2p later, ok? | 16:59 |
| mihgen | small changes are ok to be done without planning, but before FF | 16:59 |
| mihgen | sure | 16:59 |
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| mihgen | looks like other topics should go to openstack-dev.. | 17:00 |
| mihgen | xarses: let's close .. | 17:00 |
| mihgen | thanks guys | 17:00 |
| xarses | yep | 17:00 |
| xarses | thanks | 17:00 |
| xarses | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 23 17:00:30 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-07-23-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-07-23-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-07-23-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | #startmeeting security | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 23 17:00:41 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmcpeak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | o/ | 17:00 |
| sicarie | o/ | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Roll Call | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:00 | |
| browne | hi | 17:00 |
| elmiko | yo/ | 17:00 |
| bpb_ | o/ | 17:00 |
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| sigmavirus24 | o/ | 17:01 |
| bknudson | hi | 17:01 |
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| Daviey | \o | 17:01 |
| sigmavirus24 | bknudson: you say hello, and I say hi | 17:01 |
| bknudson | I'm at the nova meetup since it's here in Rochester | 17:01 |
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| sigmavirus24 | bknudson: NY? | 17:01 |
| bknudson | MN | 17:01 |
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| sigmavirus24 | bknudson: Oh right! | 17:01 |
| sigmavirus24 | Glance wanted to co-locate and I would have driven over | 17:01 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: nice! | 17:01 |
| tkelsey | o/ | 17:01 |
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| tmcpeak | allright, I guess let's get rolling | 17:02 |
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| bknudson | I wonder why the glance colocation didn't happen | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Anchor | 17:02 |
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| tmcpeak | tkelsey, dg, Daviey | 17:02 |
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| sigmavirus24 | bknudson: we were told 'no' | 17:02 |
| tkelsey | some interesting work on alternative Anchor backends has been going on | 17:02 |
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| gmurphy | o/ | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | Mr. Murphy, sit down, you're late :P | 17:03 |
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| Daviey | I've not been active on Anchor this week :( | 17:03 |
| gmurphy | soz. nasa things. | 17:03 |
| elmiko | lol | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | tkelsey: describe said alternative backends plz? | 17:03 |
| tkelsey | I'm just trying to find the link | 17:03 |
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| tkelsey | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/204368/ | 17:04 |
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| timkennedy | o/ | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | hi timkennedy | 17:04 |
| timkennedy | hello. | 17:04 |
| timkennedy | happy thursday | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | tkelsey: interesting, have you guys been following whatever on ML? | 17:04 |
| tkelsey | so this is the patch, its a prototype to use pyasn1 and pycrypto to replace some of the stuff we built on top of pyca/crytography | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | Stan seems to have proposed this and then there was pushback, any update on that? | 17:05 |
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| tkelsey | tmcpeak: ah im not actually sure | 17:05 |
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| Daviey | Stan has also volunteered to write a Spec about how we should be interacting with openssl primatives | 17:05 |
| browne | tkelsey: why replace pyca/crytography | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | fair enough, I guess I could actually read ML once in a while:P | 17:05 |
| Daviey | Ah, i type too slow. | 17:05 |
| tkelsey | browne: the work we did was a stop gap untill pyca/cryptography got the features we need. But it seems that hasnt happened yet | 17:06 |
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| browne | tkelsey: you could contribute to pyca/cryptography, :) | 17:06 |
| tkelsey | so this is an exploration into another approach | 17:06 |
| tkelsey | browne: I did :) | 17:07 |
| tkelsey | but there is a lot needed and I only have so much bandwidth | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | ok, if Bandit experience is any guide I'd say hash it out with a doc first rather than code ;) | 17:07 |
| Daviey | tkelsey: Have we enumerated the gaps in pyca/cryptography, for our needs? | 17:07 |
| tkelsey | tmcpeak: there is an eatherpad going round with it in | 17:07 |
| tkelsey | but yeah | 17:07 |
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| Daviey | I saw a bug floating around, but no detail | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | ok, maybe if it hasn't been done already socialize the presence of the wiki on ML so the naysayers can jump in and say nay on the etherpad | 17:08 |
| tkelsey | its mostly around the handling of asn1 types and come of the low level CFFI hooks | 17:08 |
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| tkelsey | *some | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | err socialize the etherpad ;) | 17:08 |
| tkelsey | there is also a desire to break free of OpenSSL requirements.... Yeah I'll dig up a lionmk | 17:08 |
| tkelsey | *link | 17:08 |
| Daviey | ta | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | maybe also on the ML, I don't remember who was against it, but seems like they had fairly strong opinions regarding it | 17:09 |
| tkelsey | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Anchor_direct_asn1 | 17:09 |
| tkelsey | tmcpeak: OK, ill go dig into that | 17:10 |
| tkelsey | sorry im a bit behind this week :) | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | tkelsey: that's because you're busy writing whole bookcases worth of doc improvements for Bandit :P | 17:10 |
| tkelsey | lol, well yeah there is that :P | 17:10 |
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| tmcpeak | cool, so anything else for Anchor before we switch to Bandit? | 17:10 |
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| tkelsey | I dont think so, I will try to have more detaisl for us next week | 17:11 |
| tkelsey | *details | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | sweet, thanks tkelsey | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Bandit | 17:11 |
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| tmcpeak | browne: care to share the good news? | 17:11 |
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| browne | yep, nova patch to introduce bandit merged, yay | 17:12 |
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| tmcpeak | woot | 17:12 |
| browne | but still need to add the gate job | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | looks like Cinder is close behind | 17:12 |
| tkelsey | :D nice one browne | 17:12 |
| browne | yeah, cinder is close | 17:12 |
| Daviey | Bandit is now in Debian as of today, and in Ubuntu as of 2 mins ago. | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | are you planning to introduce as experimental or non-voting? | 17:12 |
| tkelsey | thats awesome | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | Daviey: hah, what? | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | 2 mins ago? sweet! | 17:12 |
| browne | non-voting is the plan | 17:12 |
| Daviey | tmcpeak: Yeah, i just sync'd it in | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | Daviey: legit! | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | browne: cool, I think that makes sense | 17:13 |
| browne | Daviey: very cool | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | I'm wrapping up something at the day job, but next week I'm planning to circle back and do some Bandit gate related stuff | 17:13 |
| gmurphy | Daviey: sick. i meant to ping you about that. | 17:13 |
| Daviey | tmcpeak: compiling now, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bandit/0.12.0-1/+build/7719180 | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | can start on some way to keep track of everything | 17:13 |
| gmurphy | any plans for the fedoras etc? | 17:13 |
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| tmcpeak | noice! | 17:13 |
| gmurphy | i can probably pick that up if | 17:13 |
| gmurphy | not | 17:13 |
| Daviey | gmurphy: I wouldn't know where to start with Fedora TBH.. I think there are better qualified people here than me for that :) | 17:14 |
| gmurphy | k. | 17:14 |
| elmiko | gmurphy: i think it has already been accepted into fedora | 17:14 |
| * elmiko digs for link | 17:14 | |
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| gmurphy | really? | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, I think Fedora had it first | 17:14 |
| elmiko | yea | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | we also have archlinux | 17:14 |
| gmurphy | god you've got to be quick. | 17:14 |
| elmiko | so folks on our team got excited about bandit =) | 17:15 |
| gmurphy | i did't even check the package repo before i raised that bug actaully | 17:15 |
| bknudson | people have been clamoring for a static security analyzer | 17:15 |
| gmurphy | https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/package/bandit/ | 17:15 |
| bknudson | we should be charging for it | 17:15 |
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| tmcpeak | bknudson: +1 :P | 17:15 |
| Daviey | elmiko: Is it hitting RDO or not? | 17:15 |
| mvaldes | this is awesome. | 17:15 |
| elmiko | Daviey: that is a good question, i'll ask around | 17:16 |
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| mvaldes | we have started adding bandit to CI/CD for internal projects | 17:16 |
| elmiko | #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1217857 | 17:16 |
| openstack | bugzilla.redhat.com bug 1217857 in Package Review "Review Request: bandit - A framework for performing security analysis of Python source code" [Medium,On_qa] - Assigned to zbyszek | 17:16 |
| elmiko | gmurphy: ^^ | 17:16 |
| uvirtbot | elmiko: Error: Could not parse XML returned by bugzilla.redhat.com: HTTP Error 404: Not Found | 17:16 |
| gmurphy | yeah cool. | 17:16 |
| gmurphy | ok. well i guess i can close that bug out. | 17:16 |
| Daviey | elmiko: The next release will have more sane global bandit.yaml config handling... Would be good to get that in rpm aswell | 17:16 |
| elmiko | awesome, i'll pass it along | 17:17 |
| Daviey | We could also poke AJaeger into trying to get it in opensuse | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | moar distros! | 17:17 |
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| elmiko | tmcpeak: +1 | 17:18 |
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| tmcpeak | awesome! really exciting Bandit updates this week guys | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | tkelsey: want to mention the doc work you're doing? | 17:18 |
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| tkelsey | yup :) so last week I was pushing for bug killing, this week its docs | 17:19 |
| tkelsey | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/204136/ | 17:19 |
| Daviey | Oh! This week, we also got sane plugin interface for bandit. | 17:19 |
| tkelsey | Daviey: yeah :D | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | all the improvements!! | 17:19 |
| Daviey | Which also means we have support for external plugins now | 17:19 |
| sigmavirus24 | Yep | 17:20 |
| sigmavirus24 | We advertised that support previously but now we actually have it | 17:20 |
| tkelsey | so that patch is a massive one, and I expect a lot of nits to pick etc | 17:20 |
| bknudson | seems like we'd want to pull the openstack-specific checks into a separate repo | 17:20 |
| tkelsey | so anyone with spare cycles please go look it over, or at least as much as you can manage :) | 17:20 |
| sigmavirus24 | tkelsey: would it be possible to split that up into a chain of dependent reviews? | 17:20 |
| browne | bknudson: not a bad idea | 17:20 |
| sigmavirus24 | 1868 lines of docs is going to be ... rought | 17:21 |
| Daviey | Oh crikey, that is huge tkelsey | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: yeah, I like that idea | 17:21 |
| tkelsey | sigmavirus24: thats only about 50% done :-/ I am writing it and pushing it as I go | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | would make it more appealing as a general tool | 17:21 |
| Daviey | tkelsey: Much of it is stub pages, that can stay in one commit OMO | 17:21 |
| Daviey | IMO* | 17:21 |
| elmiko | Daviey: ohhh now you're all for one commit... ;P | 17:22 |
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| bknudson | would be nice if the docs were in docstrings | 17:22 |
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| bknudson | so you don't have to find the doc file | 17:22 |
| Daviey | elmiko: Pah... no, one commit for stub's is OK :) | 17:22 |
| tkelsey | the stub pages are slowly being replaced by real content, I prefer to blast this stuff out and then iterate on it... but yeah its a monster | 17:22 |
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| tkelsey | any suggestions for a sensible way to chop it up ? | 17:23 |
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| Daviey | Thing is, with a monster stub commit.. it makes it easy to have many smaller commits replacing it which don't need to be linked / Depends | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | well you could do the infra part of it separate, then just maybe cut the docs into thirds? | 17:23 |
| tkelsey | Daviey: makes sense | 17:23 |
| tkelsey | tmcpeak: yeah | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | Daviey: I thought this was the one you were complaining about earlier :P | 17:23 |
| tkelsey | OK, I will look to add in stubs and the build new patches to replace them incrementally | 17:24 |
| Daviey | tkelsey: for i in $(git status) ; git branch -b $i ; $PROFIT ; done. etc | 17:24 |
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| tkelsey | lol, yeah splitting it up is easy enough, I just like to work on it atomically | 17:24 |
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| tkelsey | anyway, its going to be way too big as one for sure | 17:25 |
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| tkelsey | so yeah, I'll do an patch for tox etc, then a patch for the skeletal layout, then many patches to add content | 17:26 |
| tkelsey | hows that sound? | 17:26 |
| sigmavirus24 | SGTM | 17:26 |
| sigmavirus24 | Thanks tkelsey | 17:26 |
| tkelsey | awesome :) im looking forward to having comprehensive docs | 17:26 |
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| tmcpeak | awesome, so I'll just take a minute to do some high level back patting | 17:26 |
| sigmavirus24 | :D | 17:26 |
| Daviey | tkelsey: Yeah, that makes sense | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | Bandit has a great community with lots of people putting in great work | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | I'm really happy to see the progress, and keep it up! | 17:26 |
| tkelsey | :) | 17:27 |
| * sigmavirus24 takes that statement to mean the people are mediocre =P | 17:27 | |
| Daviey | tmcpeak: At some point, we do need to think of new plugins... We are mostly polishing atm | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | Daviey: for sure | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Sec Guide | 17:27 |
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| tmcpeak | sicarie, elmiko, Daviey | 17:27 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak, Daviey i've been experimenting with a few for sahara | 17:28 |
| Daviey | They said it couldn't be converted in a week... | 17:28 |
| elmiko | rst conversion is going well =) | 17:28 |
| tkelsey | sec guid looks to be getting some serious love :) | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: awesome, looking forward to seeing them | 17:28 |
| elmiko | indeedy | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, you guys are going nuts on that | 17:28 |
| Daviey | The sec guide rst has been Ninja'd | 17:28 |
| Daviey | #link http://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sec-guide-rst | 17:29 |
| sicarie | Yep, the conversion to RST format is going really well | 17:29 |
| sicarie | Thanks Daviey | 17:29 |
| sicarie | Just about to post that | 17:29 |
| elmiko | other than that, i think we might have found a few bugs to publish during this conversion too | 17:29 |
| Daviey | ^^ still spaces if people want to jump in the water. | 17:29 |
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| sicarie | +1 elmiko | 17:29 |
| sicarie | So we have dg_, pdesai, Daviey, elmiko, and AJaeger doing awesome work converting and reviewing | 17:29 |
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| Daviey | #link http://docs.openstack.org/draft/security-guide-rst/ | 17:30 |
| Daviey | ^^ this is what has landed so far. | 17:30 |
| dg_ | elmiko could do with you taking another look at this, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205099/ | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | nice! | 17:30 |
| sicarie | We're through most of the individual chapter files, and are now focused on the sections | 17:30 |
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| dg_ | elmiko Im happy to change it if I need to, just trying to do what he docs say... | 17:30 |
| elmiko | dg_: ack | 17:30 |
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| * Daviey glares at dg_ for large commits. | 17:31 | |
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| sicarie | Heh, and aside of some stylistic preferences, things are moving along | 17:31 |
| elmiko | dg_: hmm, i didn't realize we weren't supposed to use doc references | 17:31 |
| dg_ | Daviey should I do them as a series of smaller commits? | 17:31 |
| elmiko | dg_: i like the doc references for these because it automagically pulls the title in place | 17:31 |
| Daviey | dg_: There is disagreement... It is fine :) | 17:31 |
| dg_ | Daviey ok :) | 17:32 |
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| dg_ | I'll go with the majority on the doc vs ref, Im new to RST | 17:32 |
| elmiko | dg_: i'll ask in #-doc to see what they think | 17:32 |
| dg_ | elmiko thanks :) | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | cool, great work on the guide guys | 17:32 |
| elmiko | i've been using :doc: fwiw | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | anything else to mention this week? | 17:32 |
| dg_ | on the sec-guide | 17:33 |
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| Daviey | We are also now linting the document, where as previously we just pretended to... thankfully, it was caught early and there wasn't too many issues. | 17:33 |
| dg_ | navigating the new rst sec guide as its generated locally and shown here: http://docs.openstack.org/draft/security-guide-rst/# is a bit of pain because it no longer has the index on the left | 17:33 |
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| tmcpeak | oh that's cool, real linting beats pretend linting everytime | 17:33 |
| sicarie | dg_: please post that at the bottom of the etherpad where we're tracking issues | 17:34 |
| dg_ | is there the option to re-add the index? If not, we should consider having a link to 'top of this section' and 'index' on each page | 17:34 |
| Daviey | Is that a problem for US to sort out, or a general issue with the openstack rst theme? | 17:34 |
| sicarie | dg_: we'll have to ask the docs team | 17:34 |
| sicarie | +1 Daviey | 17:34 |
| Daviey | Does the other projects suffer the same issue? | 17:34 |
| sicarie | I'll take the action to figure that out | 17:34 |
| Daviey | cool | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | shweet | 17:35 |
| dg_ | +1 Daviey | 17:35 |
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| tmcpeak | #topic API Testing | 17:35 |
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| Daviey | Just a general note, I now recognize how much i hated docbook. I think i had Stockholm syndrome | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | lol | 17:35 |
| bknudson | he he | 17:35 |
| sicarie | +1 | 17:36 |
| mvaldes | i have no updates on API Testing today, i'm afraid | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | mvaldes: how's it going on the API fuzzing tool? | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | ahh ok | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Other Business | 17:36 |
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| Daviey | mvaldes: You were going to see if you could show a public demo of the PoC you had? | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | open floor | 17:36 |
| mvaldes | it's been slow going on the clean-up. expect more next week :) | 17:36 |
| tkelsey | mvaldes: :) | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | so I'd like to bring up the note I'm working on | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | since there are general keystone experts herre | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | specifically this: | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1464750 | 17:37 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1464750 in OpenStack Security Notes "Service accounts can be used to login horizon" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Travis McPeak (travis-mcpeak) | 17:37 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1464750 in ossn "Service accounts can be used to login horizon" [Undecided,In progress] | 17:37 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1464750 in ossn "Service accounts can be used to login horizon" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1464750 | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: I've spoken to nkinder a bit, I'm curious for your take | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | do you think mucking around with policy.json like this is something we should be comfortable recommending to end users? seems like a major overhaul and could have ramifications | 17:38 |
| bknudson | I think this is related to the default policy in openstack where if you have a role on a project then you can do a lot of things | 17:38 |
| bknudson | like boot an instance | 17:38 |
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| bknudson | the only way this could be fixed is by changing the policy | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, service accounts are admin, and therefore can do all the things | 17:39 |
| Daviey | tmcpeak: policy.json isn't an end user file, but a cloud admin config file | 17:39 |
| bknudson | so it's either the customer changing their policy or us changing the default policy | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | oh sorry, I meant cloud admin when I'm saying "end user" like not OpenStack developers | 17:39 |
| bknudson | I'd like to have a better default policy but that's not a security bug in itself. | 17:39 |
| Daviey | cloud admins should be entrusted to make config hardening choices based on OSSN guidance IMO. | 17:40 |
| bknudson | not all service acccounts are admin | 17:40 |
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| bknudson | in the default policy | 17:40 |
| bknudson | I mean in the default setup (devstack) | 17:40 |
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| bknudson | only nova and neutron service users are granted admin | 17:40 |
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| bknudson | other ones have "service" role | 17:40 |
| Daviey | changing policy.json is unlikely to be stable compatible. | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | oh ok, that does reduce the surface somewhat | 17:41 |
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| bknudson | but as I said, if you have any role on a project then you can boot an instance | 17:41 |
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| tmcpeak | that's not what we're worried about though is it? | 17:41 |
| Daviey | Some deployments might want that behaviour, which makes it probably incompatible with stable/* policy. | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | we're worried about deleting data, creating malicious users, etc | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | the nasty stuff cloud admins can do | 17:42 |
| bknudson | I think that's what the bug is describing | 17:42 |
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| bknudson | even if you take away nova's admin auth | 17:42 |
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| bknudson | nova will still be able to boot instances | 17:42 |
| bknudson | (same with neutron) | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | well the actual bug is talking about logging in to Horizon, which is a little silly | 17:42 |
| bknudson | and they'll be able to login to horizon | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | anything you can do with Horizon you can do with the APIs | 17:43 |
| bknudson | I don't know if there's a role required to login to horizon | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | I don't think so, I think Horizon is just a dumb-front end for the APIs | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | ok, well not to rathole this super far, but it seems like bknudson Daviey agree it's feasible to at least write guidance about this | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | so I'm going to go ahead and do so :) | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | I'm not a Keystone expert, I just play one when I'm writing notes | 17:44 |
| bknudson | problem is there's no docs on the policy.json s | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | keystone/nova/neutron | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | etc | 17:44 |
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| Daviey | bknudson: Empty string being permissive is a questionable choice IMO :) | 17:45 |
| bknudson | so I couldn't tell someone how to set up their policy to prevent this. | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: yeah, nkinder helped point me in the right direction | 17:45 |
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| tmcpeak | between that and screwing around with devstack for a bit I should be able to figure it out | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | cool, anything else to bring up? | 17:46 |
| Daviey | Does anything need to be mentioned about the middcycle? | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, saw it on the agenda, guess we could go into it really quick :) | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Midcycle | 17:47 |
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| tmcpeak | is anybody interested in coming that hasn't put their name on the etherpad? | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-liberty-midcycle | 17:47 |
| Daviey | Yes, but no funding. Poor me. | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | :\ | 17:48 |
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| tmcpeak | would be cool to have you there | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | maybe you can stay in that AirBnb tent? | 17:48 |
| dg_ | +1 | 17:49 |
| Daviey | hah, thanks | 17:49 |
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| tmcpeak | looks like a pretty decent list of folks | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | browne: you going to make it? | 17:50 |
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| browne | tmcpeak: i should, let me confirm with my manager today | 17:51 |
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| tmcpeak | ok cool | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: how about you? | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko? | 17:51 |
| elmiko | i've passed the numbers up the chain, still waiting for clearance :/ | 17:52 |
| elmiko | i would really like to be there =) | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool, fingers crossed then | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | cool, anybody else have anything they'd like to discuss before I close out? | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | allright then, everybody have a good week! | 17:53 |
| tmcpeak | #endmeeting | 17:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:53 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 23 17:53:40 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-07-23-17.00.html | 17:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-07-23-17.00.txt | 17:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-07-23-17.00.log.html | 17:53 |
| Daviey | thanks tmcpeak | 17:53 |
| dg_ | thanks tmcpeak | 17:53 |
| tmcpeak | thanks guys | 17:53 |
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| elmiko | thanks | 17:54 |
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| tkelsey | thanks all | 17:54 |
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| elmiko | dg_: still around? | 17:59 |
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| dg_ | yeah | 17:59 |
| elmiko | AJaeger added a comment about the :ref: v :doc: issue | 17:59 |
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| dg_ | thanks, shall we take this to the security room | 17:59 |
| elmiko | i'm good either way | 17:59 |
| dg_ | ok | 17:59 |
| elmiko | yea, i gotta stay here for next meeting though =) | 17:59 |
| dg_ | heh whats up next? | 18:00 |
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| dg_ | Ok so it looks like ref is ok, but I need to trim it a little | 18:00 |
| dg_ | I will go hack | 18:00 |
| elmiko | yea | 18:00 |
| elmiko | thanks! | 18:00 |
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| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: ping? | 18:01 |
| alazarev | #startmeeting Sahara | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 23 18:01:40 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alazarev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Sahara)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:01 |
| NikitaKonovalov | o/ | 18:01 |
| alazarev | o/ | 18:01 |
| vgridnev | hey | 18:01 |
| esikachev | hi! | 18:01 |
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| alazarev | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 18:02 |
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| sreshetnyak | o/ | 18:02 |
| elmiko | thanks alazarev =) | 18:02 |
| alazarev | #topic sahara@horizon status (crobertsrh, NikitaKonovalov) | 18:02 |
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| alazarev | elmiko, Sergey has concurrent meeting, I'll char this one | 18:02 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I havent got much for this section | 18:02 |
| crobertsrh | Not sure I have much to report there. I have been mostly working on a few other things (manila + sahara) lately. | 18:02 |
| crobertsrh | Reviews are sparse, as usual | 18:03 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | there are still chages to be rebase onto contrib directory | 18:03 |
| alazarev | I need to rebase my patch, everything changed after structure change | 18:03 |
| alazarev | #topic News / updates | 18:03 |
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| alazarev | I submitted patches about heat engine refactoring, review plz | 18:04 |
| elmiko | i'm working on keytone sessions coding, i could really use reviews on #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197743/ | 18:05 |
| elmiko | i'd like to start pushing code reviews | 18:05 |
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| elmiko | and i've been experimenting with a microversion api poc for sahara with v2 | 18:05 |
| vgridnev | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177280/ is finished, maybe someone will put approved? | 18:05 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I've been working on some Sahara benchmarks in Rally project. Now Rally can collect show the Hadoop Counters in its report after each Job Execution completes. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203324/ | 18:05 |
| vgridnev | anyway, I've researching spark with swift on cdh plugin | 18:05 |
| esikachev | i'm working on adding ability of creating flavor for scenario tests https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203567/ | 18:06 |
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| esikachev | and try fix mapr | 18:07 |
| alazarev | NikitaKonovalov, don't we want such functionality in Sahara itself? | 18:08 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I'm also working on completing this chain of changes https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177682/ | 18:08 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | @alazarev: well, that's a thing to think about | 18:08 |
| NikitaKonovalov | what I've done for rally is simply read the data from hadoop's history server | 18:09 |
| NikitaKonovalov | It works for java jobs | 18:09 |
| NikitaKonovalov | should fork for pig and hive | 18:09 |
| NikitaKonovalov | but I'm not sure if other Job types store anythig similar in History server | 18:10 |
| alazarev | NikitaKonovalov, I think about this in more general way, it would be nice to have at least some information about hadoop in horizon, cluster health is the first thing, but it can be extended | 18:10 |
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| alazarev | #topic Open discussion | 18:10 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | agree, I thought somoone is working on the spec an implementation for hadoop health checks | 18:11 |
| NikitaKonovalov | esikachev: ^^ | 18:12 |
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| elmiko | yea | 18:13 |
| esikachev | yes, i am working on this | 18:13 |
| NikitaKonovalov | ok | 18:13 |
| elmiko | so, vgridnev had asked on the spec about enumerating all the health checks. do we need to do this in the spec? | 18:13 |
| elmiko | i'm concerned the list might be long and we'll miss some that will come up during implementation | 18:14 |
| elmiko | but i do think it's a good question about how we will present all the checks in the ui | 18:14 |
| alazarev | do we want health check returning only red/yelow/green mark? some numbers in addition could be useful too | 18:14 |
| elmiko | nice idea | 18:14 |
| crobertsrh | colors are nice, maybe numbers or something more specific on a mouseover? | 18:15 |
| esikachev | i think be better show what process is failed | 18:15 |
| NikitaKonovalov | so that's as always a question of making a generic ui or some fixed layout for fixed metrics, but then we should be sure those are always available | 18:16 |
| NikitaKonovalov | btw HDP 2.2 plugin can actually repot provisioning progress in % | 18:16 |
| NikitaKonovalov | but that looks more like an exclusive ambari feature now | 18:17 |
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| elmiko | i think we need this to be more generic as the health might be different for each plugin/version | 18:17 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | elmiko: I also like that way more | 18:19 |
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| crobertsrh | +1 to that | 18:20 |
| esikachev | +1 | 18:20 |
| alazarev | I'm a little bit concerned by 3 +2 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187978/ after my -1. I think create/delete cluster without errors must not print WARNING in log. What do you think? | 18:20 |
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| elmiko | hmm, maybe it should be info? or you want to just drop it? | 18:22 |
| elmiko | i mean, isn't that catching an error? | 18:23 |
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| alazarev | elmiko, code assumes that there could be exception even in normal flow | 18:25 |
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| alazarev | elmiko, so I think exception is not an indicator of failure (this is bad practice, but it is common in python and openstack) | 18:26 |
| elmiko | alazarev: fair, that's a good point. so just let the exception continue to raise and if it's unhandled it will be logged there? | 18:27 |
| alazarev | elmiko, exactly, like it was before retries implementation | 18:27 |
| elmiko | i'd be ok with that | 18:27 |
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| elmiko | aignatov: ^^ | 18:28 |
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| alazarev | elmiko, it is up to catching code - log or not to log excaption, no intermediate layers needed | 18:29 |
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| tmckay | hi | 18:29 |
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| alazarev | tmckay, hi, we are nearly finished :) | 18:29 |
| elmiko | alazarev: yea, you are correct. we should let the error keep raising, and if it's caught by something else then good if not it will get logged | 18:29 |
| elmiko | tmckay: we're talking about alazarev -1 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187978 | 18:29 |
| elmiko | and if we should log or not on the re-raised error | 18:30 |
| tmckay | yeah, I saw that this morning | 18:30 |
| elmiko | i'm ok with dropping the log message | 18:30 |
| elmiko | well, alazarev convinced me ;) | 18:30 |
| tmckay | well, the CR is only changing the level, so I'm fine with it | 18:30 |
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| tmckay | however, a drop is fine too. The error is raised. | 18:30 |
| tmckay | it will either bubble up or get handled | 18:31 |
| alazarev | tmckay, it is changing buggy ERROR to buggy WARNING | 18:31 |
| elmiko | yea, the error might be caught and handled somewhere else, so log would be redundant | 18:31 |
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| tmckay | in the other case, it's just a notification that retries are happening | 18:31 |
| elmiko | if we keep the log message, it should be info | 18:31 |
| elmiko | or possibly debug | 18:31 |
| tmckay | +2 from me either way -- change the level or drop the message :) | 18:31 |
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| elmiko | alazarev: what do you think about making it debug? | 18:32 |
| alazarev | tmckay, it is not about retries, log is about unexpected return code | 18:32 |
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| alazarev | elmiko, I'm fine with DEBUG, debug is always helpfull to understand things | 18:32 |
| tmckay | akazarev, no, I mean in the first part of the else. My point is that the other log message in this code fragment serves a purpose, so that you know retries are happening | 18:33 |
| elmiko | ok. i'm adjusting my review then | 18:33 |
| tmckay | the log message in question arguably serves no purpose | 18:33 |
| tmckay | yeah, change to DEBUG sounds good to me | 18:33 |
| elmiko | right, it may serve no purpose, so better to make it debug | 18:33 |
| crobertsrh | Debug seems like the way to go | 18:34 |
| elmiko | updated my review | 18:34 |
| elmiko | thanks alazarev | 18:34 |
| tmckay | me too, so there are not 2 +2 :) | 18:35 |
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| tmckay | someone might merge ;-) | 18:35 |
| elmiko | hehe | 18:35 |
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| elmiko | cool, we reached an agreement! \o/ | 18:38 |
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| alazarev | anything more to discuss? | 18:41 |
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| elmiko | nothing here, except to beg for more reviews ;P | 18:41 |
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| alazarev | elmiko, you are welcome to beg ;) | 18:42 |
| alazarev | elmiko, always! | 18:43 |
| * elmiko shakes cup with change in it | 18:43 | |
| elmiko | "spare any reviews..." | 18:43 |
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| alazarev | ok, it looks we are done | 18:44 |
| alazarev | #endmeeting | 18:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 23 18:44:46 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-07-23-18.01.html | 18:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-07-23-18.01.txt | 18:44 |
| elmiko | thanks alazarev | 18:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-07-23-18.01.log.html | 18:44 |
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| amitgandhinz | #startmeeting Poppy Weekly Meeting | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 23 19:02:59 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amitgandhinz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'poppy_weekly_meeting' | 19:03 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic RollCall | 19:03 |
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| sriram | o/ | 19:03 |
| amitgandhinz | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Poppy | 19:03 |
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| cathR | o/ | 19:04 |
| malini | o/ | 19:04 |
| anantha | o/ | 19:04 |
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| obulpathi | o/ | 19:04 |
| tonytan4ever | o/ | 19:04 |
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| sriram | ║║╔║║╔╗ ║ | 19:05 |
| sriram | ╠╣╠║║║║ ║ | 19:05 |
| sriram | ║║╚╚╚╚╝ O | 19:05 |
| sriram | aargh | 19:06 |
| sriram | the ascii art got cut :/ | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Review Last Week | 19:06 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-07-16-19.03.html | 19:06 |
| malini | wow!! I am impressed sriram | 19:06 |
| sriram | malini: it was copy paste lol | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | malini to get the outstanding security patches fixed and merged | 19:06 |
| malini | blah…..the very first one :/ | 19:06 |
| malini | I am working with Henry on this - will be an ongoing effort | 19:07 |
| amitgandhinz | ok | 19:07 |
| amitgandhinz | #action malini to get the outstanding security patches fixed and merged | 19:07 |
| amitgandhinz | malini to clean up/fix the many test related patches that have been out there for a while | 19:07 |
| amitgandhinz | malini: ^^ | 19:09 |
| malini | didn't get to tht :( | 19:09 |
| amitgandhinz | #action malini to clean up/fix the many test related patches that have been out there for a while | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever to hound people to review his stuff | 19:10 |
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| tonytan4ever | I did hound people for serveral times | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | i dont think ip restrictions has merged yet, so more hounding is needed | 19:10 |
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| tonytan4ever | But I guess I still need to hound more | 19:10 |
| tonytan4ever | We will talk about it when we talk about bps. | 19:11 |
| sriram | I'll review it, didnt take a look after tonytan4ever addressed the comments. | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | #action tonytan4ever to hound people 4 ever to review his stuff | 19:11 |
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| amitgandhinz | hehe | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | amitgandhinz to make mimic fastly the default driver | 19:11 |
| hound4ever | no | 19:11 |
| hound4ever | That is not my name | 19:11 |
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| amitgandhinz | im making progress on this. i have the docker stuff working now, and got the fastly mimic patch out there also as of 13 minutes ago | 19:12 |
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| sriram | hound4ever lol | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | i am getting failing api tests against fastly mimic so am working through that | 19:12 |
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| amitgandhinz | i will roll this action item forward until it is done done | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | #action amitgandhinz to make mimic fastly the default driver | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | everyone to diligently check their commit messages and make sure they have enough detail | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | how have we done with this? | 19:13 |
| sriram | I think we are doing ok on this, I have been making comments with respect to this. | 19:13 |
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| tonytan4ever | Same here. | 19:13 |
| malini | I am feeling very sloppy abt all the actions today | 19:13 |
| sriram | and will do so going forward as well. | 19:13 |
| * amitgandhinz sriram will feel sloppy going forward? | 19:14 | |
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| sriram | eh? | 19:14 |
| amitgandhinz | ok moving on | 19:14 |
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| sriram | lol | 19:14 |
| sriram | that took some time. | 19:14 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Liberty 2 Updates | 19:14 |
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| amitgandhinz | must be the sloppiness | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | #link https://launchpad.net/poppy/+milestone/liberty-2 | 19:15 |
| sriram | aaargh | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: IP Restrictions update? | 19:15 |
| tonytan4ever | In review, needs more review. | 19:15 |
| tonytan4ever | I am gonna start hounding | 19:15 |
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| sriram | +1 | 19:15 |
| tonytan4ever | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198843/ | 19:16 |
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| tonytan4ever | Every body ^^ | 19:16 |
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| sriram | I'll review it today, tonytan4ever. | 19:16 |
| amitgandhinz | cool | 19:16 |
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| tonytan4ever | k | 19:16 |
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| amitgandhinz | I noticed there is a bunch of Geo stuff in that patch also | 19:19 |
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| sriram | I think it lays ground work for the geo-restrictions patch | 19:21 |
| sriram | that is next in the pipeline. | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | ok | 19:21 |
| tonytan4ever | amitgandhinz: Yes | 19:21 |
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| amitgandhinz | miqui: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/code-coverage | 19:22 |
| amitgandhinz | how is this coming along? | 19:22 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok any other bp we need to talk about? | 19:22 |
| tonytan4ever | I have one | 19:23 |
| tonytan4ever | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/notification-driver | 19:23 |
| tonytan4ever | I just added this one, can you approve it ? | 19:24 |
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| amitgandhinz | approved and added to L2 | 19:24 |
| tonytan4ever | K. Thanks | 19:24 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Open Discussion | 19:25 |
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| amitgandhinz | any open topics to talk about today? | 19:25 |
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| sriram | I'm done. | 19:26 |
| sriram | anyone else? | 19:26 |
| malini | me too | 19:26 |
| sriram | tonytan4ever, obulpathi: ^ | 19:26 |
| sriram | anantha: ^ | 19:26 |
| anantha | nothing from me | 19:26 |
| obulpathi | nothing from me too | 19:26 |
| tonytan4ever | I have nothing to add. some hounding here to do though, for another PR: | 19:26 |
| sriram | hound4evaaaaaaaa | 19:26 |
| tonytan4ever | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/204732/ | 19:26 |
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| sriram | read it like this is SPARTAAA | 19:27 |
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| tonytan4ever | This is the notification driver, and could be reviewed now. | 19:27 |
| amitgandhinz | awesome, will take a look | 19:27 |
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| sriram | anything else? | 19:28 |
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| tonytan4ever | I am good now. | 19:28 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok thanks everyone | 19:29 |
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| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: i commented on your notifications driver | 19:30 |
| tonytan4ever | K | 19:30 |
| amitgandhinz | just need to rename it from "mail" to "mailgun" | 19:30 |
| amitgandhinz | that way other email systems can be supported in the future if reuqired | 19:30 |
| obulpathi | +1 | 19:30 |
| amitgandhinz | #endmeeting | 19:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 23 19:31:09 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-07-23-19.02.html | 19:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-07-23-19.02.txt | 19:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-07-23-19.02.log.html | 19:31 |
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