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-openstackstatus- NOTICE: zuul is undergoing an emergency restart. Jobs will be re-queued but some events may be lost.07:23
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-openstackstatus- NOTICE: zuul jobs are currently stuck while problems with gearman are debugged08:14
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rkukurahi ML2’ers!15:59
SukhdevHello15:59
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Sukhdevshall we get started or wait for others to show up16:01
Sukhdev#startmeeting networking_ml216:02
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul 22 16:02:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:02
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Sukhdev#topic: Agenda16:02
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Sukhdev#link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML216:02
SukhdevWelcome to this week's ML2 meeting16:02
Sukhdev#topic: Announcements16:03
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SukhdevLiberty-2 is due next week16:03
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SukhdevDo we have anything that we need to worry about?16:03
Sukhdev#link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Liberty_Release_Schedule16:03
SukhdevAnybody has any other announcement?16:04
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Sukhdev#topic: Action from previous weeks16:04
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SukhdevML2 mid-cycle plan16:05
Sukhdev#link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Neutron_ML2_Mid-Cycle_Sprint16:05
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Sukhdevmanishg is not here16:05
rkukuramanishg did update with his availability16:06
Sukhdevrkukura: have you had a chance to follow up with others on this?16:06
rkukuraI sent an email this morning to those who have expressed interest16:06
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rkukuramyself, Sukhdev, and manishg are all available several of the possible weeks16:06
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Sukhdevkevinbenton: did you have a chance to look at the etherpad?16:07
Sukhdevshivharris is not here either16:07
rkukuraI’d prefer the week of 9/28 - 10/2 since I can be in San Jose that entire week16:07
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Sukhdevrkukura: looks like that may be a good one -16:08
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Sukhdevlets see if others can sign up for that week as well16:08
rkukuraI’ll keep after Shiv and Josh, and post to openstack-dev as soon as we know what weeks are possible for those who have expressed interest so far.16:08
Sukhdevsounds good16:09
Sukhdevkevinbenton: are you here?16:09
rkukuraI’ll keep after kevinbenton as well16:09
SukhdevOK - lets move on16:09
Sukhdevrkukura: cool - thanks - lets get this closed off - so that folks can get approvals and booking for travel16:10
rkukuraSukhdev: +200016:10
Sukhdev#topic: L2 Modular Agent Discussion16:10
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Sukhdevbanix does not seem to be here16:11
Sukhdevanybody has any update on this topic?16:11
Sukhdevotherwise, we will keep it on the agenda16:11
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Sukhdev#topic: Physical Topology Discussion16:12
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Sukhdevasoumya or shivharris are not here16:13
Sukhdevwe'll skip this over as well16:13
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Sukhdevlooks like we have lots of people on summer vacation16:13
Sukhdev#topic: Ironic-ML2 discussion16:14
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Sukhdev#link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-neutron16:14
SukhdevLet me provide an update on this16:14
SukhdevWe have both of specs for Ironic-neutron integration approved16:15
SukhdevThis means we are in the implementation phase16:15
SukhdevWe have Ironic mid-cycle sprint in August (12-14), which I will be attending16:15
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SukhdevI tested the end-to-end POC with fake data last week - just to make sure there is nothing missing from ML2 point of view16:17
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SukhdevI was very impressed - all the plumbing works great16:17
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Sukhdevrkukura: congratulations on the ML2 framework -16:17
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SukhdevThis makes the implementation of this integration very smooth16:18
rkukuraSukhdev: You are refering to the binding:profile and portbinding stuff that was done for SR-IOV, right?16:18
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rkukuraAnd binding:vnic_type16:18
Sukhdevrkukura: correct16:18
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SukhdevI had thought that I will run into some holes and may have to submit additional patches - but, was impressed that everything is in place16:19
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Sukhdevanything else I can answer on this integration effort?16:20
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rkukuraSukhdev: Sounds great!16:20
Sukhdevcool -16:21
SukhdevWe are at the end of our agenda -16:21
Sukhdevsince most of the folks are on vacation - I do not have anything additional to share16:21
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SukhdevShall we call it a day?16:21
rkukuraOne item I’d like to mention16:22
Sukhdevunless anybody who is in this meeting wants to bring up anything16:22
Sukhdevrkukura: please do16:22
rkukuraI haven’t had a chance to dig into it yet, but the “routed network” effort seems to be moving forward, and could impact ML216:22
rkukuraSome discussion is at https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/145889016:23
openstackLaunchpad bug 1458890 in neutron "Add segment support to Neutron" [Undecided,Triaged]16:23
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1458890 in neutron "Add segment support to Neutron" [Undecided,Triaged]16:23
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1458890 in neutron "Add segment support to Neutron" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145889016:23
Sukhdevrkukura: This was raised in the mid-cycle at Ft. Collins16:24
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rkukuraAnd an email thread is at http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-July/070028.html16:24
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Sukhdevthere may be some impact - but, it is not very obvious on the surface16:24
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rkukuraThere was some discussion on whether these “segments” are related to ML2’s current notion of segments, but these seem to imply L2 bridging where ML2’s do.16:25
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Sukhdevrkukura: I had brought this up during mid-cycle16:26
rkukuraAnyway, just wanted to bring this to people’s attention again, and plan to try to undestand it myself16:26
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rkukuraThat’s all from me16:26
Sukhdevso, ML2 segments could be used at the edge and in the middle will be L3 segments16:26
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Sukhdevrkukura: from the surface, it is like HPB - but, the middle is all L3 network16:27
rkukuraI’m not clear on this, but I think the idea is that tenant networks would not really be L2 domains16:27
Sukhdevcorrect - that is the idea16:27
rkukuraSo I’m not clear on how this fits the neutron model16:28
Sukhdevthere is an ehtherpad with some good use cases for this16:28
rkukuraOr can be made to fit16:28
Sukhdevinitially, we all had issue with how will it fit - but. then after lots of going back-and-forth and understanding use cases, this spec came about16:29
SukhdevI have not read it - I am going by what was discussed in the meeting16:29
SukhdevI will spend some timer to review this.16:29
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rkukuraSukhdev: I also am not clear on whether these new non-L2 segments are for users, or only for admins. If only for admins, there might be some overlap with the topology service being designed16:30
Sukhdevrkukura: it is my understanding that this was all intended for admins - but, things may have changed from then to now :-)16:31
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rkukuraWe seem to be moving from neutron being focused on the user API, with plugins free to do whatever they want, to neutron exposing a consistent model to admins. I’m not sure if this is really a good thing or not.16:31
Sukhdevrkukura: Please review the spec and comment on it -16:32
rkukuraSukhdev: I will16:32
rkukuraAnything else?16:32
Sukhdevnothing from me16:33
SukhdevLets call it a day.16:33
SukhdevThanks16:33
Sukhdevbye16:33
Sukhdev#endmeeting16:33
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Kiall#startmeeting Designate17:02
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul 22 17:02:22 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Kiall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:02
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KiallHeya - Sorry for delay! Stuck on a conf call going over :)17:02
KiallWho's about?17:02
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mlavallehi17:02
timsimo?17:02
pglasso/17:02
Kiallmugsie: ?17:03
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timsimmugsie jmcbride elarson Mimi ekarlso federico317:03
mugsieo/17:03
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jmcbrideo/17:04
KiallOkay - Let's get going - Apologies for doing 2 things at once ;)17:05
timsimUnacceptable17:05
Kiall#topic Bug Triage (timsim - recurring)17:05
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Mimio/17:05
timsimhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/147321017:05
openstackLaunchpad bug 1473210 in Designate "Seconday zones with incorrect masters raises TypeError" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Graham Hayes (grahamhayes)17:05
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1473210 in designate "Seconday zones with incorrect masters raises TypeError" [Undecided,New]17:05
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1473210 in designate "Seconday zones with incorrect masters raises TypeError" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/147321017:05
timsimLooks like mugsie already looked at this. Seems high, l2 to me17:05
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mugsie++17:06
Kiall++17:06
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timsimThat's it :)17:06
KiallReally? Quite bug week17:06
Kiall#topic Stable Backport Triage (kiall - recurring)17:06
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Kiall#link http://paste.openstack.org/show/400677/17:06
Kiall3b70b72 Allow multiple reader/writers to UDP DNS Sockets17:07
Kiall^ only one I see that we should backport?17:07
KiallAnyone else see any others?17:07
timsimNope17:08
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mugsieNope, I dont think so17:09
Kiallmugsie etc, any other canidatess?17:09
Kiall(Note to self: bug triage call's conflicting with IRC meets is not fun)17:09
Kialljmcbride: Leftover topic from last week? "Liberty Mid-Cycle (jmcbride)"17:09
federico3timsim: ekarlso is on holidays17:10
KiallGuessing so :)17:10
timsimYeah that's all set17:10
jmcbridejust sign up!17:11
Kiall#topic Open Discussion17:11
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mugsiejmcbride: done already17:11
jmcbridehttps://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/openstack-designate-2015-summer-mid-cycle-meetup-tickets-17833181526 tell your friends17:11
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KiallYep, done. will be booking hotel/flights after this17:11
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Kiallmlavalle: heya! So, How's life in Neutron land?17:12
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mlavalleKiall: it's going well.17:12
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mlavalleI got a round of reviews last week with the internal dns integration patchset. Conclucison was to make the implementation more "db light"17:13
mlavalleso I reworked that over the weekend and right now I am debugging this last review17:13
Kiallcool, link to the review handy?17:14
mlavallefound some alembic issues in neutron that i'm dealing with. nothing major17:14
mlavallehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/200952/17:14
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Kiall#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/200952/17:14
mlavallei am also working already the external integaryion. expect to push code soon17:15
Kiall(so it get's highlighted in the notes for easy finding later :))17:15
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KiallCool :) What's the Neutron deadline for landing in L?17:15
mlavallei am looking to fix the alembic issues today. i should get a functional version tomorrow17:15
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mlavalleseptembver 3rd17:16
elarsono/17:16
KiallRight, plenty of time left so :)17:16
mlavallei am charging ahead to make it in liberty17:17
mlavallethat's my progress report this week17:17
mlavalle:-)17:17
KiallPerfect :)17:17
KiallOkay, any other off-agenda topics from others?17:17
Kiall(Apologies, again for myself / mugsie being so distracted today.. Unavoidable :()17:18
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KiallNobody?17:19
timsimNot me17:19
mugsieNope17:19
* elarson hasn't had much time for emacs designate-mode17:19
elarson;)17:19
Kiallelarson: lol, on your own ;)17:20
timsimCan't wait for that one :P17:20
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KiallOkay, let's call it so. Silence means "Have nothing" in this context!17:21
KiallThanks, hopefully a less busy week for everyone coming up ;)17:21
mlavalletalk to you next week here :-)17:21
Kiall#endmeeting17:21
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SlickNik#startmeeting trove18:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul 22 18:00:09 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:00
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vgnbkro/18:00
SlickNikHey there.18:00
SlickNikGiving folks a couple of minutes to trickle in.18:01
SlickNikmeeting agenda at:18:01
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SlickNik#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting18:01
dougshelley66o/18:01
atomic77~\o/~18:01
pmalik☻/18:01
sushilkmo/18:01
edmondko/18:02
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SlickNik#topic Trove pulse update18:02
dloi_o/18:02
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SlickNik#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-pulse-update18:02
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SlickNikReview velocity seems back up again — which is good to see. :)18:03
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georgelorcho/18:05
SlickNikOther questions on this?18:06
schango/18:06
SlickNikIf not, let's move on.18:06
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SlickNik#topic mysql manager refactor18:07
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SlickNik#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/204279/18:07
SlickNikatomic77: around?18:07
atomic77hi everybody18:07
atomic77I wanted to do a quick checkpoint with the community on the mysql manager refactor18:07
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atomic77because i know there are a few things in dev right now like percona cluster that might be affected, and there were some important details that were neglected in the spec18:07
atomic77The link above is a WIP patchset i put up last night which still needs work, but is passing most unit and int tests18:08
ashleighfarnhamo/18:08
atomic77the important part that wasn't really specified is that the service classes like MySqlAppStatus which were pulled in as import statements are now class properties that are injected18:09
* SlickNik gives the review a quick look over18:09
cp16neto/18:09
atomic77you can see how this works in the 'new' manager_base.py file in the patchset and the new 'stub' manager.py for any of the datastores provided (eg percona, mysql and mariadb)18:09
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cp16netatomic77: side question about this... did you ever try and boot a percona instance?18:10
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atomic77with this refactored code, not yet18:11
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cp16netok could you try and do that sometime and let me know if it fails for weird reasons...18:12
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cp16neti've found that percona has been not creating the os_admin user and causing issues18:12
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atomic77but the refactor was intended to lay the ground work for fixes specific to the datastores, not optimize for them18:12
cp16nethave not been able to figure out why its happening yet tho18:13
SlickNikatomic77: Looks great at a first glance!18:13
cp16netyeah just curious if there is a chance it works18:13
pmalik^atomic77: Just wondering. Could not those utility classes be possibly passed to the init by the concrete class?18:13
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atomic77cp16net, it's somethign worth trying though18:13
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SlickNikatomic77: Will review it a bit more in depth over the next couple of days.18:14
cp16netyeah i'd appreciate some feedback on that case since its what i've been working through18:14
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atomic77pmalik, you mean as part of the constructor?18:15
pmalikyes18:15
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pmalik^atomic7718:15
atomic77i tried as much as possible to leave the original logic and code intact18:15
atomic77but if there are some improvements and optimizations we can all agree make sense, then why not do them18:15
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pmalikI don't know. Would it be a problem? Because the concrete class should know what it needs and that way we would not require any new config options.18:16
pmalik^atomic7718:16
pmalikjust an opinion...18:17
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atomic77pmalik, it makes sense. maybe a separate patchset to follow up the refactor to optimize some of this stuff?18:18
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atomic77since so much code is going to be moving, wanted to get this on people's radar for when the merging fun begins :)18:19
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pmalik^atomic77 Possibly. I don't know what others think. :-)18:19
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cp16netatomic77: i think you are on a good path forward there18:20
SlickNikpmalik / atomic77: I think either approach is okay (overriding __init__ or passing the values in to the base class).18:20
atomic77ok, just wanted to make sure there were no serious concerns since this was not really discussed in the bp18:21
SlickNikatomic77: not a problem, would be nice if you could go update the spec with this new info when you have a moment.18:22
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atomic77SlickNik, i.e. submit a new patchset for the spec itself?18:23
SlickNikatomic77: very often something comes up during implementation that hasn't been called out explicitly in the spec — shouldn't be an issue as long as we think it's the right path forward.18:23
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dougshelley66atomic77 yes, i believe he is asking you to update the spec18:23
SlickNikatomic77: yes that way the spec is in sync as well.18:23
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atomic77(y)18:24
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cp16neti had thought it might make sense to do a metaclass to import the datastore manager18:24
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atomic77ok, sounds good.18:25
cp16netit might make things a little cleaner but could also make things a bit more confusing if you dont understand how it works18:25
atomic77cp16net, right, i didn't want to introduce complexity for the sake of complexity, but in this case we really do need some way to decouple these classes18:26
SlickNikcp16net: did you just volunteer for a spike / poc?18:26
cp16netdid i?18:26
cp16net:-P18:26
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SlickNikThat's what it sounded like from here :P18:26
cp16neti could but i dunno when i will have time for that right now18:27
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cp16netunless i find its a nessescity for clustering18:27
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SlickNikcp16net: yup — understood.18:28
SlickNikAnything else for atomic77?18:28
cp16neti dont think it is but it's not outside of the posibilities right now...18:28
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SlickNikOkay. Moving on...18:29
SlickNik#topic Open discussion18:29
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SlickNikAnything for open discussion?18:30
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SlickNikI have a reminder that the Trove Liberty mid-cycle meetup is in just over a month's time.18:31
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SlickNik(and also Trove day.)18:31
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cp16netnext week is liberty 2 already...18:32
SlickNikPlease register for the mid-cycle sprint here (if you haven't done so already): https://www.eventbrite.com/e/trove-mid-cycle-sprint-liberty-tickets-1760013447618:33
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SlickNikcp16net: Yup, liberty-2 cut is next week.18:33
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cp16netreminder link18:33
cp16net#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Liberty_Release_Schedule18:34
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SlickNikcp16net: thanks!18:34
SlickNikAnything else for open discussion?18:35
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SlickNikOkay, we can end early and folks can have some of their time back.18:35
SlickNik#endmeeting18:35
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atomic77thanks everyone18:36
cp16netthx18:36
SlickNikThanks all!18:36
sushilkmThanks folks18:36
johnmathanks18:36
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sgordon#startmeeting telcowg19:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul 22 19:00:07 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sgordon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:00
sgordon#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda19:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:00
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sgordon#topic roll call19:00
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sgordon\o/19:00
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cloudonhi19:00
ralfThi19:00
sgordonwho is around for the telco working group meeting?19:00
ralfTme19:00
cloudon+119:00
AndroUser+119:00
sgordonok19:01
sgordonsome quick house keeping updates19:01
sgordon#topic openstack operator's mid-cycle19:01
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sgordonthe operator's mid-cycle has been announced and is fast approaching for those interested19:01
sgordon#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2015-July/007634.html19:01
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sgordonthere is not currently any plan to propose a telco-specific session for this specific one19:02
sgordon#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PAO-ops-meetup19:02
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sgordonin my case that is because i wont actually be there due to a set of conflicting events in seattle19:02
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sgordonif somebody else wants to pick that up though feel free19:02
ralfTi won't be there19:03
sgordonstick with me a second, grabbing link for next topic19:03
sgordon#topic product working group update19:04
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sgordon#link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XpQ1PjyCqbtTIKUbPESp3AbdjUSuIP7GVjda6Cy0EY8/edit19:04
sgordonjust as an fyi the product working group continues to attempt to define itself and exactly how it will work with existing efforts like this group, large deployments group etc19:05
sgordonthe google doc linked is their template review, it is originally based on ours but is changing a bit as the feedback rolls in19:05
sgordonso noting that, who added proposed new template format to the agenda :)19:05
cloudonthat would be me...19:06
cloudonhad a stab at changing my vIMS one to new format19:06
cloudonreasonably painless - only one issue really19:06
cloudoninterested in feedback on how it reads19:06
cloudonissue is the general vs. the specific19:07
sgordonok, i saw the push message in #openstack-nfv earlier :)19:07
sgordon#info cloudon has updated vIMS submission to match updated format, needs feedback on how it reads19:07
cloudonIIUC new template is encouraging use cases to be general, with specific implementations given as examples19:07
sgordonyes19:08
ralfTI'll forward the link to the user story template to my colleagues19:08
sgordonlooking at the feedback on the productwg version some may think even that is too specific !19:08
sgordonbut i think it's appropriate for this group19:08
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ralfTshould we rewrite the use cases, which we are working on?19:09
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cloudonmy $0.02: makes for tighter, more real-world & focussed use cases if based on specific19:09
cloudonotherwise get lots of "but it could do X, Y or Z" comments19:10
sgordonralfT, for those that havent been merged yet i think it would be helpful to try re-work them19:10
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sgordonbutttt let's talk about the next topic this clashes into19:10
sgordon#topic repository management questions19:10
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sgordon#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2015-July/007611.html19:10
sgordoni sent the above out asking for feedback on two items regarding repository management for telcowg-usecases19:10
sgordon#info Adding Daniel Schabarum and Yuriy Babenko as cores19:10
sgordon#info Future location of repository?19:11
sgordonthe second part is perhaps more controversial than i first thought19:11
sgordoni got several off list responses19:11
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cloudonquick aside on the mail; did you mean to send to operators ML?19:11
sgordonthe suggestion i had made was moving the repository from the stackforge/ namespace to the openstack/ one19:11
sgordoni actually did as the use case management does not have much to do with dev, though i guess i now know not everybody filters both for NFV19:12
sgordon(or telco)19:12
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sgordonanyhoo, the responses i got were quite varied:19:14
sgordon* use product working group repo for telco use cases instead?19:15
sgordon* move under user committee governance instead of technical committee?19:15
sgordon* abandon and use neutron/nova rfe and backlog processes instead19:15
sgordonby way of background the only reason that led me to suggest moving it at all is that there is a proposal up to deprecate and ultimately remove stackforge19:15
tariqkSo is the intent to leave it as is for now or do we have any viable options?19:17
sgordonwe have a plethora of viable options, see above ;)19:17
sgordon* move to openstack/ under TC governance19:17
sgordon* move to openstack/ under UC governance19:17
sgordon* move into productwg19:18
sgordon* radically change process/approach19:18
tariqkI vote for openstack under UC governance19:18
cloudonwhat practical differences are there in first 2 from what we have now?19:18
sgordonlimited19:19
sgordonthey are just different paths to the openstack/ namespace19:19
sgordonuser committee probably is a better fit/lower bar just based on what this group produces19:19
tariqkAgree19:19
sgordonTC would be more appropriate if we expected to produce code directly in our repo19:19
sgordonbut we dont19:20
cloudonsounds like UC to me then19:20
ralfTas we are writing user stories it's UC for me19:20
sgordonok sounds like it is unanimous from those here19:20
sgordon#action sgordon to write list proposing to move under UC and openstack/ namespace19:20
sgordonok19:21
sgordon#topic reviews19:21
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sgordoncloudon, already mentioned vIMS is ready for more reviews19:21
sgordon#link https://review.openstack.org/17914219:21
sgordoni see the SBC has some new updates as well19:21
sgordon#link https://review.openstack.org/17630119:21
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cloudonyes - some links to BP which have been completed - just need to check status of them all and update19:22
sgordon#info cloudon updated vIMS and SBC use case proposals19:22
sgordon#info sgordon updated template and workflow proposals19:22
sgordon#link https://review.openstack.org/17834719:22
sgordon#link https://review.openstack.org/19965419:22
sgordoni should note the template update is just to mark two sections as optional19:22
sgordonas there was some confusion expressed in the product wg review of it19:23
sgordonwill not require further reframing/rewriting of existing proposals19:23
sgordonok19:27
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sgordonwithout further ado i will call this closed then19:27
sgordon#info Yuriy and Daniel added to core19:28
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sgordon#endmeeting19:28
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sgordoncloudon, btw just looking at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179142/ we still seem to have a hanging dependency on an old abandoned change of mine19:29
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xgerman#startmeeting octavia20:00
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xgerman#topic Announcements20:01
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xgerman#chair blogan20:01
openstackCurrent chairs: blogan xgerman20:01
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sbalukoffHowdy, howdy!20:01
TrevorVI don't think blogan will be online for this.  He's off today20:01
xgermanok20:01
xgermanGSLB - http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gslb_discussion/2015/gslb_discussion.2015-07-21-16.04.html20:01
xgermandougwig asked me to mention that we need to review the spec https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nw5jVn0hjmhlhkZJAohx-gqRkkbVhMMJ79Pogd0ysEk/edit#heading=h.lcnfr8uk78d and provide an LBaaS perspective20:02
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sbalukoffYep, we do.20:02
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xgerman:-)20:02
xgermanwe also had a chat about V2 Horizon Panels - http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon_lbaas_v2_ui_discussion/2015/horizon_lbaas_v2_ui_discussion.2015-07-16-16.00.html20:03
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TrevorV#link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nw5jVn0hjmhlhkZJAohx-gqRkkbVhMMJ79Pogd0ysEk/edit#heading=h.lcnfr8uk78d20:03
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TrevorV#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon_lbaas_v2_ui_discussion/2015/horizon_lbaas_v2_ui_discussion.2015-07-16-16.00.html20:03
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xgermanVivek volunteered to lead that effort and I think we are close to have a repo for it20:04
sbalukoffYay!20:04
xgermanvivek-ebay20:04
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TrevorVVery cool.20:04
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xgermanOf course we had a great mid cycle :-)20:05
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johnsomYeah, great to see everyone!20:05
sbalukoff+120:05
madhu_ak+120:05
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TrevorVAgreed.20:06
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xgerman#topic Brief progress reports20:07
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sballeo/20:07
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TrevorVI have yet to fully test my review, but if anyone wants to do a review based on concepts or code layout please do:20:07
johnsomI have mostly been catching up on reviews and having conversations about Active/Standby, Health Manager, and Housekeeping.20:07
TrevorV#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202336/20:07
sballe@TrevorV I can do that. Thanks for the link20:08
TrevorVNo problem sbadia20:08
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TrevorVsballe, ****20:08
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minwang2i will take a look at after the meeting20:08
johnsomI plan on putting some time into the REST driver20:08
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sbalukoffI'm making good progress on the L7 functionality addition to the Neutron LBaaS reference driver (will tackle Octavia after this). Should have something semi-functional up for review later tonight. Have plans to go over this with TrevorV on Friday.20:08
sballeCool!20:09
xgerman+120:09
johnsom+120:09
minwang2i am working on the heath check, still work in progress, and need to add 2 child thread later20:09
madhu_akLikewise, if anyone wants to do a review, please do:20:09
madhu_ak#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196238/20:09
sbalukoffAlso, I hope to finally update roadmap documents either later this week or early next week. I have IBM engineers looking to get involved in the project, and I figure this is a good way to get them up to speed on where we're going. I'll be looking for a lot of feedback on this to make sure I'm still aware of where we're going .xD20:09
bharath__I am writing unit tests for housekeeping to spin up spare amphora.20:10
sbalukoff(You know, those reviews that have been in gerrit for... about a year now.)20:10
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madhu_akAlso, I am working on session persistence scenario tests for lbaasv220:10
sbalukoffNice!20:10
TrevorVAwesome madhu_ak20:11
johnsomYeah, those are really out of date now.  blogan and I took a pass on the 1.0 for review, but it still needs some work20:11
xgermanyep20:11
sbalukoffjohnsom: Sounds good! I am a documentation fiend after all. XD20:11
xgermanjust got asked today for an architecture diagram :-)20:11
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sbalukoffTime to break out those graphviz skills for me again, I guess. XD20:11
johnsomUgh, graphviz, all yours!20:12
sballexgerman: We'll need to create a diagram tht fir our Security/arch reviews20:12
xgermanyep20:12
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sbalukoffAlso:  Um...  http://octavia.io/ appears to be down?20:12
sbalukoff(I was going to see whether graphviz was rendering there...)20:13
johnsomYeah, we saw that oo20:13
sballesbalukoff: I would be happy to review or work with you on this if you are ok with that20:13
johnsomI think it did render ok20:13
sballeThis being hte architecture diagram20:13
sbalukoffsballe: Sure! Let me get a couple other things off my plate, and I'd be happy to do that, eh!20:13
sballesbalukoff: cool! thx20:13
TrevorVsballe, sbalukoff I'm no slouch when it comes to docs either, so if you guys want any assistance there, hit me up as well :D20:14
sballe:)20:14
* TrevorV did make some of our diagrams and stuff :D20:14
sbalukoffTrevorV: Bwahahaha! I'm so sending some of this your direction.20:14
xgerman#action sballe, TrevorV, sbalukoff create architetcure diagram20:14
sbalukoffWho is in charge of octavia.io? Can we get them to fix it, please? ;)20:15
dougwigwe're full-on openstack now, we could use the dev docs official site.20:15
johnsomrm_work Run ocatvia.io I think20:16
sballe+120:16
johnsomThat would be nice20:16
sbalukoffdougwig: That's also a good idea!20:16
xgermandougwig +120:16
ajmiller+120:16
sbalukoffI would still like to see octavia.io fixed...  as I mentioned it in my "Statement of Use" justification for the USPTO "Octavia" trademark...20:16
rm_workjohnsom: ptoohill and I run it20:17
rm_workwhat is the issue?20:17
rm_worksorry, distracted by internal stuff20:17
rm_workoh it's down20:17
rm_workyeah i'll look20:17
johnsomYep20:17
xgermancool20:17
xgermanI guess we slid into20:17
sbalukoffAnd the status of that is that it's gone through the hands of their paralegal assigned to review, and has been forwarded on to the official attorney who makes a decision on the validity of the trademark claim. It would be unfortunate to miss out on the trademark because one of the sites that shows Octavia in use is down.20:17
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sbalukoffThanks, rm_work!20:18
rm_workyeah20:18
xgerman#topic Open Discussion20:18
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xgermanyeah, it feels we have been there for a while :-)20:18
ajmillerThere are some neutron-lbaas reviews that could use some love:20:18
sbalukoffHaha20:18
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TrevorVSo minwang2 and I were just having a discussion concerning health manager and housekeeping (yes, again).20:18
xgermanenlighten us20:18
ajmiller#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179818/20:19
ajmillerNeeds core reviewer love20:19
minwang2https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160061/1020:19
ajmiller#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/180436/20:19
ajmillerLikewise20:19
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ajmiller#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160460/20:19
ajmillerxgerman & blogan gave -1, have those questions been answered?20:19
rm_workah I just submitted https://review.openstack.org/204744 so we can stop rechecking the py34 false-positives20:19
TrevorVIn min's review there is a line that sets the "busy" field back to "False" to insinuate that the amphora could be "failed-over again" after one failover has occurred20:19
sbalukoffCool!20:19
rm_work#link https://review.openstack.org/20474420:19
johnsomTrevorV Last time I looked it was pretty close to done20:19
ajmiller#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193887/20:19
ajmillerblogan gave -1, rebased, and fixed the CI problem.  Give him a chance to change his review?20:19
sbalukoffI'll see what  I can do to spend some time on that.20:19
TrevorVHowever, in the failover process, we delete the stale amphora and then create the new amphora.20:19
sbalukoff(It's great to be working on this project again, BTW.)20:19
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TrevorVThe problem here, the health table, if updated to "False" for busy would mean you could fail-over an amphora that now doesn't exists.20:20
TrevorVexist***20:20
TrevorVSo, I don't particularly think that update needs to happen.20:20
TrevorVThat's one.20:20
johnsomAh, yes, the ID doesn't move.  Good point20:20
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TrevorVThe other, the entry for the stale amphora in the amphora health table should be cleaned up by another thread/process/whatever in the housekeeping agent, not the amphora health agent.  Thoughts?20:21
xgerman+120:21
minwang2+120:21
crc32We also need to dscuss moving to reddis instead of MySQL since it looks like udps start getting dropped after around 500 UDP packets per secnd20:21
sbalukoff+120:21
johnsomYes, we removed all of the database cleanup code from health manager20:21
xgermanyou did memory tables in mysql?20:21
crc32I was doing some testing last night.20:21
crc32yes I tried the engin=Memory and it still sucked20:22
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xgermanok, I was afraid of something like that20:22
TrevorVJust clearing that up johnsom.  So bharath__ did you want to add that in your review, or should someone make a dependent review on top of your housekeeping agent to add the bits for cleanup?20:22
sbalukoffcrc32: Not a bad idea for extremely active state storage in any case.20:22
johnsomYeah, we had planned on Reddis.  Didn't know we had to move to it so quickly20:22
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xgermanlet’s get some more numbers20:23
crc32I figured as well. I'm guessing we can turn persist off on reddis so it doesn't have to be burdened with flushing to disk20:23
sballexgerman: +120:23
johnsomI think minwang2 was going to give him the code20:23
sbalukoffcrc32: Are you looking on adding that functionality yourself?20:23
sbalukoffOr just putting it out there as something that needs to be prioritized?20:23
xgermanreddis is a big change for deployment20:23
xgermanso I would rather do some tests on our side20:24
sbalukoffxgerman: Action item that?20:24
minwang2i talked to bharath_, he can put those dbcleanup code in housekeeping, likewise the unit test20:24
TrevorVawesome johnsom minwang2 sounds good.20:24
xgerman#action HP do performance tests with health manager and mysql in memory DB20:24
johnsomcrc32 Thanks for doing the testing!20:24
sballexgerman: +120:24
crc32I really wanted to write our distrubuted data structure but all the ACME wheel advocates here are claiming reinvention of their patent.20:24
xgermanjohnsom +!20:24
sbalukoffminwang2: Great!20:24
sballeAlso I am assuming we could support both?20:24
sbalukoffEr... was the suggestion to drop mysql entirely, or to just use redis for things like the very active amphora state information?20:25
johnsom#action minwang2 to make sure the database cleanup code gets moved to housekeeping20:25
sbalukoffBecause I figure that configuration in mysql probably still makes the most sense.20:25
bharath__TrevorV: minwang2 showed me the code from her previous patch. I could add include it in my review20:25
sballesbalukoff: +120:26
xgermansbalukoff just use reds for high performance pieces20:26
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johnsomI only wanted the health table to move to Reddis.  The rest would stay with mysql20:26
sbalukoffOk, cool! That's what I would push for as well.20:26
xgermanyep20:26
crc32https://review.openstack.org/201882 <-- how do I reoncile this with mins code?20:26
sballexgerman: the problem is if we have to share infra and the rest of openstack is using a sahred mysql DB. We need to be able to plugin into that20:26
xgermanyep20:27
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xgermanhence getting more numbers20:27
sballeso to me reddis is an optimization20:27
johnsomcrc32 minwang2 is going to add the required fork code to health manager.  There will be a stub to plug in your code20:27
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sbalukoffsballe: It surely is. But it sounds like that optimization would not be premature.20:27
rm_worksballe: not an optimization if it literally *won't work* with basic mysql, which seems to be the case from our testing20:28
rm_workand Redis is already used other places in openstack20:28
sbalukoffBut we'll know more when we get a second opinion on the numbers.20:28
rm_workso not really a concern IMO20:28
sbalukoffrm_work: +120:28
sballesbalukoff: xgerman +1 on getting the numbers to make a decision20:28
sbalukoffIn any case, crc32: Thanks for helping us not to shoot ourselves in the foot.20:29
xgerman+120:29
sballe+120:29
crc32we knew it was comming.20:29
crc32we just needed code to show it.20:29
johnsomcrc32 is there any test framework stuff you can share for the performance testing?20:29
rm_workyes, have been saying for a long time that mysql will likely not work for this frequency20:29
rm_workand scale20:29
crc32no frame work. Just a loop that sends X udp packets per second.20:30
sbalukoffrm_work: Well, I wasn't there, now was I? So it doesn't count. ;)20:30
johnsomOk20:30
sballecrc32: Can you share your script or tests?20:31
crc32sure I'll check it in on my review.20:31
rm_worksbalukoff: heh20:31
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sballecrc32: great thanks20:31
xgermanok, more open questions?20:33
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sbalukoffMove to adjourn?20:33
dougwig2nd20:34
crc32no keep talking20:34
xgerman#endmeeting20:34
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sballebye20:34
xgermanbye20:34
sbalukoffcrc32: Er... were you serious?20:34
TrevorVsbalukoff, no he wasn't.20:34
TrevorVlulz20:34
sbalukoffHAha20:34
sbalukoffOk.20:34
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crc32nah.20:36
crc32I'm good.20:36
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