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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 6 15:00:12 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
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| cknight | Hi | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
| dustins | o/ | 15:00 |
| chen12 | hi | 15:00 |
| ganso_ | hello | 15:00 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:00 |
| vponomaryov | hi | 15:00 |
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| u_glide | hi | 15:00 |
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| bswartz | hey guys I'm chairing this meeting from the HP office in ft collins | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | I'm at cinder midcycle meetup and it hasn't started up yet today | 15:01 |
| bswartz | hopefully I won't get pulled into anything else during this meeting | 15:02 |
| markstur | Welcome to HP, Ben! | 15:02 |
| bswartz | lol | 15:02 |
| cknight | markstur: You can't have him. | 15:02 |
| bswartz | #topic Common capabilities, next steps | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Common capabilities, next steps (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:02 | |
| markstur | cknight, :) | 15:02 |
| bswartz | so we agreed during the midcycle to implement some common capabilities | 15:03 |
| bswartz | the first ones will be dedupe, and thin/thick provisioning | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209781 | 15:03 |
| bswartz | markstur: is this your topic? | 15:04 |
| markstur | Yeah | 15:04 |
| bswartz | go ahead then | 15:04 |
| markstur | I ran out of time and only did a very rough draft in the patch | 15:04 |
| markstur | but I think we move forward | 15:04 |
| markstur | The main question is do we agree on these common ones | 15:04 |
| bswartz | okay so you're looking for reviews of the doc | 15:05 |
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| toabctl | hi | 15:05 |
| markstur | oversubscription already has thin_provisioning_support and thick... | 15:05 |
| lpabon | o/ | 15:05 |
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| markstur | In the mid-cycle we saw some cinder proposals | 15:05 |
| bswartz | this is an important doc because it's where we will point driver developers to the official list of "manila approved" extra specs | 15:05 |
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| markstur | Yes. And it'll definitely need to be improved. | 15:05 |
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| markstur | We'll also have an Admin version of it for the people that actually use the extra-specs | 15:06 |
| bswartz | so aside from the doc review | 15:06 |
| markstur | Since I did it last night, I started with just a dev draft | 15:06 |
| markstur | yes | 15:06 |
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| markstur | So with dedup... | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | does anyone disagree with these 2 features for common extra specs? | 15:06 |
| markstur | I think we agree that several vendors will do it | 15:06 |
| bswartz | s/dedup/dedupe/ | 15:07 |
| markstur | No disagrees? | 15:07 |
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| cknight | bswartz: +1. 'dedup' always bothered me. | 15:07 |
| bswartz | yeah I'll put that in the code review too | 15:07 |
| markstur | There is kind of a 3rd with "thick" a.k.a. "full" | 15:07 |
| bswartz | dedupe is the correct spelling | 15:08 |
| bswartz | markstur: what? | 15:08 |
| markstur | I can agree with "dedup" | 15:08 |
| markstur | xyang added thick_provisioning_support | 15:08 |
| bswartz | thick means thick | 15:08 |
| markstur | which is just a boolean so you could specifically ask for fully provisioned shares (not thin) | 15:08 |
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| Zhongjun | i agree with dedup | 15:09 |
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| markstur | And I'm find with "thick" I think HP prefers "full", but we often say "thick" as opposite of "thin" | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | oh I see, you just want a different term not a different meaning | 15:09 |
| markstur | Oops. I meant to say I can agree with "dedupe" I just can't type it. | 15:09 |
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| ekarlso | o/ | 15:09 |
| ekarlso | lol, wrong meeting :D | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | okay looks like no dissent | 15:10 |
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| markstur | We also should decide if we want to prefix the common ones with something like "manila_" | 15:10 |
| bswartz | #agreed thick/thin and dedupe will be first common capabilities | 15:10 |
| lpabon | just to reiterate: bswartz you are asking for the extra specs flag for the scheduler: think and dedupe being two of them? | 15:10 |
| bswartz | markstur: yeah the manila_ prefix is worth disucssing | 15:11 |
| markstur | generally extra-specs are scoped with vendorprefix and colon | 15:11 |
| bswartz | lpabon: we're talking about defining some standards for things that should mean the same thing across all drivers | 15:11 |
| markstur | The scheduler doesn't see those. | 15:11 |
| vponomaryov | why do we use two extra specs 'thick' and 'thin' when it they are sides of one coin? | 15:11 |
| markstur | The convention is to change the : to _ for capabilities | 15:11 |
| lpabon | bswartz: great | 15:11 |
| bswartz | vponomarayov: the issue is that there are really 3 possibilities | 15:12 |
| lpabon | vponomaryov: good point.. it's either thin or not-thin, right? | 15:12 |
| markstur | But a prefix is not necessary for un-scoped it is a matter of us deciding. | 15:12 |
| bswartz | backends can support "either" and you need a way to communicate that | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: which is third? | 15:12 |
| bswartz | and admins can request "don't care" and you need a way to specify that | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: 'who'and 'when' decides what to choose? | 15:13 |
| markstur | 3rd is that the backend will do either and some extra-spec (or default) tells it what to do | 15:13 |
| bswartz | we can hash out the details in the doc review | 15:13 |
| lpabon | can admins set a default? | 15:13 |
| markstur | Like netapp:thin=True | 15:13 |
| bswartz | the defaults will be hardcoded | 15:13 |
| bswartz | the admin can set what he wants in his share type if he doesn't like the default | 15:13 |
| vponomaryov | anyway, it is still two values to provide if set extra spec, and absense of one extra spec- is third value | 15:13 |
| markstur | we also discussed that we could reject both being true if we decide | 15:13 |
| bswartz | yeah there's some subtleties | 15:14 |
| bswartz | I have a specific recommendation but I haven't written it down yet | 15:14 |
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| Zhongjun | how about compress？ | 15:14 |
| bswartz | so I will do that in the doc review | 15:14 |
| bswartz | Zhongjun: yes but later | 15:14 |
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| markstur | Should we decide about prefix standards today? Or try to? | 15:15 |
| bswartz | yes I'd like to talk about prefixing with manila_ | 15:15 |
| bswartz | it's pointed out that we already have a de-facto common capability: driver_handles_share_servers | 15:15 |
| bswartz | which doesn't have the prefix | 15:16 |
| vponomaryov | why do we need it for Manila extra specs? | 15:16 |
| vponomaryov | it should define "type" of extra spec | 15:16 |
| vponomaryov | capability_foo | 15:16 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: the idea is to communicate to admin which ones are defined by the core team vs defined by vendors | 15:16 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: then use prefixes for vendor-specific things | 15:17 |
| bswartz | okay so the other choice is: no prefix means it's defined by the core team | 15:17 |
| u_glide | vponomaryov: +1 | 15:17 |
| markstur | For example, zhongjun could add "compression" today without a concensus -- just at review. But if we made it "common" and agreed upon we'd either use manila_compression or just add it to an official list as-is | 15:17 |
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| bswartz | that means that any capability/extra spec without a vendor specific prefix needs to be vetted with the community and agreed to | 15:17 |
| bswartz | how does that sound? | 15:18 |
| chen12 | no prefix +1 | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | agreement +1 | 15:18 |
| lpabon | either way is fine, as long as we are all in agreement one way or the other and it is documented, I think it will be working fine | 15:18 |
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| markstur | I'm ok with no prefix | 15:19 |
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| Zhongjun | i agree with no prefix | 15:19 |
| bswartz | I'm leaning towards no prefix due to existing capability with no prefix | 15:20 |
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| cknight | bswartz: +1 | 15:20 |
| dustins | bswartz: +1 | 15:20 |
| ganso_ | no prefix +1 | 15:20 |
| bswartz | I'd rather not have that confusion or have to rename them | 15:20 |
| markstur | I would suggest that we might consider rejecting un-sanctioned capabilities without vendor prefix then | 15:20 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:20 |
| bswartz | #agreed manila-defined capabilities have NO prefix | 15:20 |
| markstur | Initially we can do that by review | 15:20 |
| bswartz | anything else on this topic markstur? | 15:20 |
| markstur | The other thing would be | 15:21 |
| bswartz | I'll explain my thinking for the 3 options on thick/thin in the code review | 15:21 |
| markstur | thin_provisioning_support | 15:21 |
| markstur | I think it is fine, but | 15:21 |
| bswartz | markstur: I think we can manage with 2 booleans | 15:21 |
| markstur | Do we want to use something like _support | 15:21 |
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| markstur | e.g. dedupe_support | 15:21 |
| bswartz | no I think that makes it more complex | 15:21 |
| markstur | agreed for dedup | 15:22 |
| markstur | dedupe! | 15:22 |
| markstur | but will we change the existing 2 (they are pretty new) | 15:22 |
| bswartz | yeah any extra spec that haven't shipped can simply be changed to match the standard | 15:22 |
| vponomaryov | markstur: we are at the moment when it is not late to change | 15:22 |
| bswartz | vendors with legacy capabilities can support both | 15:22 |
| bswartz | if there are any | 15:23 |
| markstur | that reminds me | 15:23 |
| markstur | provisioned_capacity_gb | 15:23 |
| markstur | is not exactly a "capability" but | 15:23 |
| bswartz | yeah it's a share stat... | 15:23 |
| markstur | also an agreed upon think that goes with thin and oversubscription | 15:23 |
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| markstur | and also it is merged | 15:23 |
| bswartz | the dev doc should explain how to implemen that | 15:24 |
| markstur | OK so to summarize: | 15:24 |
| markstur | 1. dedupe | 15:24 |
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| markstur | 2. thin_provisioning (the _support will be dropped) | 15:24 |
| markstur | 3. provisioned_capacity_gb (stat goes with 2) | 15:25 |
| xyang | Provisioned_capability_gb is similar to total_capacity_gb | 15:25 |
| xyang | Any concern with that | 15:25 |
| markstur | 4. ? not sure we agreed on thick_provisioning | 15:25 |
| bswartz | yes but detail should be hashed out in code review | 15:26 |
| bswartz | we need thick/thin/both capabilities and thick/thin/don't care extra specs | 15:26 |
| bswartz | I'll write something | 15:26 |
| bswartz | let's move on to enxt topic | 15:26 |
| bswartz | #topic New repository devstack-plugin-hdfs for HDFS CI | 15:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "New repository devstack-plugin-hdfs for HDFS CI (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:27 | |
| bswartz | chen12: you're up | 15:27 |
| chen12 | I'm working on HDFS CI recently | 15:27 |
| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207050/ | 15:27 |
| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209728/ | 15:27 |
| chen12 | I'm asking 1. need review for patches in infra | 15:28 |
| chen12 | 2. do I doing all this correct ? | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | chen12: did you follow the model that software-based cinder drivers followed for CI? | 15:28 |
| vponomaryov | chen12: why do you need separate repo? | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | I haven't actually looked at the details behind the ceph/gluster cinder CI systems | 15:29 |
| vponomaryov | chen12: why update of https://github.com/openstack/manila/tree/master/contrib/ci is not enough? | 15:29 |
| chen12 | yes, I follwed cinder-drbd | 15:29 |
| bswartz | I can check though and make code reviews based on that | 15:29 |
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| chen12 | vponomaryov, I need a place to hold devstack-plugin-hdfs => followed https://review.openstack.org/171754 | 15:30 |
| bswartz | chen12: this seems reasonable to me | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | you might want to check if gluster/ceph have a better way though | 15:30 |
| bswartz | cinder has several software-only drivers with CI | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | you should look at several and pick the easiest one to follow | 15:31 |
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| chen12 | gluster/sheepdog has devstack-plugin too | 15:31 |
| vponomaryov | chen12: installation of deps and configuration are different, and the latter can be stored in Manila repo | 15:31 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: does it really matter? | 15:31 |
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| chen12 | vponomaryov, ? sorry, can you explain more ? I need to build a running hdfs cluster => devstack-plugin | 15:32 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: if it's in a separate repo then Intel can have exclusive access to merge changes to it and we don't have to review | 15:32 |
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| bswartz | if it's in manila then we have to review changes | 15:32 |
| vponomaryov | chen12: current devstack plugin allows to set up any configuration | 15:33 |
| vponomaryov | chen12: of any driver | 15:33 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: I am asking for clarification | 15:33 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: the issue is that the driver needs to install more packages | 15:33 |
| bswartz | not only does the HDFS driver need to be setup in manila, but you have to do a bunch of HDFS configuration too (presumably) | 15:33 |
| chen12 | vponomaryov, o... still confusing... I just did as examples I get. any other examples I can check | 15:34 |
| bswartz | chen12: I think you're on the right track | 15:34 |
| bswartz | chen12: keep asking for help if you need it and lmk if you're not getting any | 15:35 |
| bswartz | I'll be more helpful when I'm not travelling | 15:35 |
| bswartz | I'll review those 2 changes too | 15:35 |
| chen12 | bswartz, o. I think next thing I need to do is, write my devstack-plugin and make all test pass, right ? Then I can ask to add my job into manila ci ? | 15:35 |
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| chen12 | bswartz, sure. | 15:36 |
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| bswartz | chen12: once you have the job working you can add it even if all tests are not passing | 15:36 |
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| bswartz | the deadline to have CI working (with failures) is L-3 | 15:36 |
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| bswartz | the deadline to have them all passing is RC1 | 15:36 |
| chen12 | bswartz, understand. I will do it ASAP. | 15:36 |
| bswartz | so focus on getting the jobs to run and worry about failures later | 15:37 |
| bswartz | chen12: thanks! | 15:37 |
| markstur | chen12, great to see progress on an upstream CI for HDFS! | 15:37 |
| bswartz | #topic Share Migration Dev Status Update | 15:37 |
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| bswartz | ganso_: you're up | 15:37 |
| ganso_ | Share Migration main patch it out of WIP | 15:37 |
| ganso_ | /s/it/is | 15:38 |
| ganso_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/179790/ https://review.openstack.org/179791/ https://review.openstack.org/179803/ | 15:38 |
| ganso_ | I also rebased generic driver patch | 15:38 |
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| ganso_ | it can easily be tested now | 15:38 |
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| bswartz | awesome | 15:38 |
| lpabon | ganso_: i will help review | 15:39 |
| ganso_ | Generic driver is still WIP as I need CIFS, prepare_share (read only) and remaining unit tests implementation | 15:39 |
| lpabon | ganso_: quick question, does the code have 'cancel' capability? or will it be added later? | 15:39 |
| ganso_ | I also did some very small changes to manila client patch as suggested by bswartz | 15:39 |
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| ganso_ | lpabon: it will be added later | 15:40 |
| ganso_ | lpabon: I'm not sure if added in Liberty | 15:40 |
| bswartz | ganso_: on the server side I think we'll want to use microversioning for the API | 15:40 |
| lpabon | ganso_: no problem, thanks. | 15:40 |
| ganso_ | lpabon: depends on remaning changes until deadlines | 15:40 |
| bswartz | what order those changes merge in shouldn't matter as long as one is based on the other | 15:40 |
| ganso_ | ganso_: is the microversioning patch merged? | 15:40 |
| cknight | bswartz: extension API or microversioned core API? | 15:40 |
| ganso_ | bswartz: is the microversioning patch merged? | 15:41 |
| cknight | ganso_: No, but it's progressing well. | 15:41 |
| cknight | ganso_: Should have a patch up this week. | 15:41 |
| bswartz | I'd like to get @experimental or something like that working alongside microversions | 15:41 |
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| ganso_ | cknight: ok, then I can make this change as soon as it is up, this would be a minor change, I am worried about more significant changes | 15:41 |
| bswartz | then we could use that to communicate that the migration feature is still evolving | 15:41 |
| ganso_ | that's all | 15:42 |
| bswartz | we know that migration needs more effort to work universally | 15:42 |
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| bswartz | so tagging it experimental is a great way to allow it to move forward and get it in users hands without locking us into a design | 15:43 |
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| bswartz | okay | 15:44 |
| ganso_ | also, it is very important to have u_glide 's share instances patch reviewed and merged | 15:44 |
| bswartz | #topic Tempest Idempotent UUID Integrations | 15:44 |
| ganso_ | it directly impacts Share Migration | 15:44 |
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| ganso_ | and it is not getting that many reviews | 15:44 |
| bswartz | ganso_: yes I'm aware | 15:44 |
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| bswartz | dustins: you're up | 15:44 |
| dustins | bswartz: Thanks! | 15:44 |
| dustins | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/tempest/HACKING.html#test-identification-with-idempotent-id | 15:45 |
| dustins | So, upstream Tempest has added UUIDs to each of the tests through an Idempotent ID decorator | 15:45 |
| bswartz | dustins: is this a new tempest feature? | 15:45 |
| bswartz | I haven't heard of this | 15:45 |
| dustins | bswartz: It is indeed | 15:45 |
| dustins | I hadn't either until this morning :) | 15:45 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov, mkoderer: have you seen it? | 15:46 |
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| vponomaryov | dustins: does it allow to "inherit" test suites? | 15:46 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: heard about such plans in paris | 15:46 |
| dustins | vponomaryov: I don't think it's so much "inheriting" test suites as it is tracking test functionality through refactoring | 15:47 |
| bswartz | so do all tests need this or just some? | 15:47 |
| vponomaryov | dustins: no, I asking about capability | 15:47 |
| bswartz | uuids in the code seems ugly to me | 15:47 |
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| dustins | So that the what the test is testing is tracked even as the implementation thereof might change | 15:47 |
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| dustins | bswartz: There's a tool in upstream tempest that will add UUIDs to tests that don't have it | 15:47 |
| vponomaryov | dustins: but can it change it with inheritance? | 15:48 |
| dustins | vponomaryov: Good question, I'd have to investigate | 15:48 |
| * dustins makes a note to explore that today | 15:48 | |
| bswartz | dustins: what's the downside to not implementing this change? | 15:49 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: change of test names and problems of tracking history | 15:49 |
| dustins | You won't be able to get through OpenStack's gate when Manila is promoted, since it checks to see if the tests have UUIDs | 15:49 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: does anyone actually look at that? | 15:49 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: I do not =) | 15:49 |
| vponomaryov | dustins: what do you mean? | 15:50 |
| bswartz | dustins: promoted? | 15:50 |
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| bswartz | we control our own check/gate jobs -- we don't require this today | 15:50 |
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| bswartz | I'm trying to figure out what is lost if we make the choice to ignore this feature | 15:50 |
| vponomaryov | dustins: we are not going to merge our tempest tests to tempest repo | 15:50 |
| dustins | vponomaryov: that I didn't know | 15:51 |
| vponomaryov | dustins: we will keep it in Manila repo | 15:51 |
| bswartz | yeah even the other tests in tempest will gradually move out of tempest into projects (like cinder) | 15:51 |
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| bswartz | tempest will only have cross-project tests | 15:51 |
| vponomaryov | dustins: ok, then does it still makes sense then? | 15:51 |
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| dustins | But those tests that come back into the projects will still have the IDs, correct? | 15:51 |
| bswartz | dustins: that's a openstack-qa question | 15:52 |
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| dustins | vponomaryov: I still think it does, as it allows us to track tests independent of the implementation of them | 15:52 |
| bswartz | manila has never had tests in tempest and we have no plans to add any | 15:52 |
| dustins | bswartz: I'll be sure to ask them | 15:52 |
| markstur | Does this make it easier to find the part of a log where a specific test failed? | 15:52 |
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| vponomaryov | markstur: no | 15:53 |
| vponomaryov | markstur: only keeping history | 15:53 |
| bswartz | oh god tempest logging could stand to be improved greatly | 15:53 |
| bswartz | I can never read those logs | 15:53 |
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| dustins | bswartz: It's on my "to-do" list :) | 15:53 |
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| bswartz | dustins: awesome! | 15:53 |
| bswartz | okay it sounds like this is something that we could choose to borrow from tempest but there's no strong motivation to do so | 15:54 |
| bswartz | if anyone wants to start doing historical tracking of test coverage then this would be valuable | 15:54 |
| bswartz | but the obvious downside is additional clutter in test code | 15:54 |
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| dustins | bswartz: I could put up a patch adding it... | 15:55 |
| dustins | And see what everyone thinks of it | 15:55 |
| bswartz | dustins: you'd need to explain the motivation for doing so | 15:55 |
| dustins | But yes, it would add an additional line per test for storing the UUID | 15:55 |
| bswartz | right now I'm not inclined to merge something like that | 15:55 |
| dustins | bswartz: indeed, and "test case history" might not be a strong one | 15:55 |
| bswartz | okay just a few minutes left | 15:56 |
| dustins | My motivation was to bring Manila's Tempest more in line with Upstream's Tempest | 15:56 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:56 |
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| bswartz | I wanted to remind everyone about feature proposal freeze august 20 | 15:56 |
| ganso_ | bswartz: wasn't it August 14th? | 15:56 |
| bswartz | that means all new features need to be in gerrit and with +1 from jenkins | 15:57 |
| bswartz | errr I don't remember saying that | 15:57 |
| bswartz | aug 20 is 2 weeks before L-3 | 15:57 |
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| ganso_ | bswartz: ok | 15:57 |
| bswartz | that should be enough time to do reviews and get stuff merged | 15:57 |
| bswartz | new features pushed to gerrit after aug 20 won't be considered for Liberty without a FFE | 15:58 |
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| bswartz | any questions? | 15:58 |
| bswartz | anything else? | 15:59 |
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| markstur | FYI. I'll be out Mon-Thu next week | 15:59 |
| bswartz | okay thanks everyone I'll be back on Monday | 15:59 |
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| bswartz | markstur: thanks for reminder | 15:59 |
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| bswartz | thanks everyone | 15:59 |
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| dustins | thanks! | 15:59 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 6 16:00:00 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| toabctl | thx | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-08-06-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-08-06-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-08-06-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
| xarses | #startmeeting fuel | 16:00 |
| xarses | #chair xarses | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 6 16:00:21 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xarses. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| xarses | Todays Agenda: | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:00 |
| xarses | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: xarses | 16:00 |
| xarses | Who's here? | 16:00 |
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| mattymo_ | hi! | 16:00 |
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| xenolog13 | \~/ | 16:01 |
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| angdraug | o/ | 16:01 |
| mihgen | hi | 16:01 |
| akasatkin | hi | 16:01 |
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| vkramskikh | hi | 16:01 |
| rvyalov | hi | 16:01 |
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| xarses | ok, lets get started | 16:02 |
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| xarses | #topic SCF Status (angdraug) | 16:02 |
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| angdraug | 7.0 soft code freeze will be in effect at 12AM tonight | 16:02 |
| angdraug | today is the last day to merge anything that is not a fix for High or Critical bug | 16:02 |
| angdraug | we're still in the red zone with the number of bugs | 16:02 |
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| angdraug | dixi :) | 16:02 |
| angdraug | questions? moving on? | 16:02 |
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| mihgen | angdraug: rationale is to focus on high and critical now, right? | 16:02 |
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| angdraug | yes | 16:03 |
| amaksimov | question: | 16:03 |
| mihgen | so to converge by 3rd of Sep | 16:03 |
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| amaksimov | we will not merge anything related to Med bugs after SCF,right ? | 16:03 |
| angdraug | yes | 16:03 |
| mihgen | angdraug: and I think if there is minor work to be completed in some low / medium bugs in progress, those can still be merged after SCF | 16:03 |
| mihgen | let's say for another week | 16:03 |
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| amaksimov | ok | 16:03 |
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| amaksimov | our review stat might affected | 16:04 |
| angdraug | if there is medium bug or lower priority related work still pending, now is the time to speak up and ask for merge or exception | 16:04 |
| xarses | mihgen: how will we accomidate that? SCF exceptions? | 16:04 |
| angdraug | reviews affected by code freeze should be marked workflow-1 until HCF when we create stable/7.0 branches | 16:04 |
| vkramskikh | what if there is a review request which closes 1 high and 2 medium bugs? | 16:05 |
| angdraug | vkramskikh: that doesn't need an exception | 16:05 |
| angdraug | as mihgen said, the motivation is to focus on fixing high bugs | 16:05 |
| amaksimov | this is not going to work.. we will launch auto abandon script which will abandon reviews with -1 | 16:05 |
| xarses | amaksimov: its not supposed to hit workflow -1 | 16:05 |
| xarses | If some one sees it do so, please speak up so we can fix the script | 16:06 |
| amaksimov | sure? I think we need to check it with devops. | 16:06 |
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| amaksimov | tiran ? | 16:07 |
| mihgen | So I would say there are two major things with SCF: 1) to focus on High/ Criticals to meet deadlines; 2) to lower the risk of introducing regressions by fixes of low/medium. The less code change is, the lesser risk is | 16:07 |
| angdraug | #link https://review.fuel-infra.org/#/c/10080/3/requests-abandon/abandon_old_reviews.sh | 16:07 |
| mihgen | teran: ^^ | 16:07 |
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| mihgen | amaksimov: script should not touch workflow -1, if it does - then it has to be fixed | 16:07 |
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| angdraug | it only abandons reviews with -2 | 16:07 |
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| teran | mihgen: angdraug AFAIR it works already such way | 16:08 |
| teran | we could check it out | 16:08 |
| angdraug | yes, that's my impression as well | 16:08 |
| angdraug | amaksimov: does that answer your question? | 16:08 |
| amaksimov | yes | 16:08 |
| akasatkin | some mediums just need to be checked. what to do with them? | 16:08 |
| mihgen | akasatkin: like what? | 16:08 |
| akasatkin | https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1399004 | 16:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1399004 in Fuel for OpenStack "Running network verification on running env may break network" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Fuel Python Team (fuel-python) | 16:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1399004 in fuel "Running network verification on running env may break network" [Medium,Confirmed] | 16:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1399004 in fuel "Running network verification on running env may break network" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1399004 | 16:09 |
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| mihgen | this sounds rather High | 16:09 |
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| akasatkin | okay | 16:09 |
| angdraug | +1 | 16:09 |
| xarses | ya, thats high | 16:10 |
| mihgen | break of deployment in general sounds critical issue, if it can be reproduced only in certain cases - then it's high | 16:10 |
| amaksimov | it doesn't break deployment | 16:11 |
| amaksimov | just verification | 16:11 |
| amaksimov | sometimes | 16:11 |
| angdraug | to reiterate, the reason we're announcing soft code freeze earlier is to spend more time on high and critical bugs | 16:11 |
| mihgen | amaksimov: nope according to the bug, you break working env | 16:11 |
| mihgen | you load kernel module | 16:11 |
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| mihgen | and ovs breaks | 16:11 |
| mihgen | moving on? | 16:12 |
| xarses | ok, lets move along | 16:12 |
| xarses | #topic puppet-librarian (angdraug) | 16:12 |
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| angdraug | puppet-librarian commits are being merged according to plan: | 16:12 |
| angdraug | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-August/071347.html | 16:12 |
| angdraug | to honor soft code freeze, I propose to merge the firewall module one day early | 16:12 |
| angdraug | cinder module will need a rebase over https://review.openstack.org/209945 | 16:12 |
| angdraug | we should discuss an SCF exception for it next week | 16:12 |
| angdraug | thoughts? objections? | 16:13 |
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| xarses | I think its minor, and we need to move forward with it | 16:13 |
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| xarses | +1 | 16:13 |
| angdraug | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Fuel/Library_and_Upstream_Modules | 16:13 |
| mattymo_ | We had 1 custom patch to firewall module for docker stuff, but that isn't relevant today | 16:13 |
| mattymo_ | actually... now that I think about it, it was just a backport of a more modern version | 16:14 |
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| mattymo_ | carry on, please continue with firewall module | 16:14 |
| angdraug | thanks! | 16:14 |
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| angdraug | apache is already merged, this means we'll also merge apt and firewall today, and leave cinder until next week | 16:14 |
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| angdraug | that's it from me | 16:15 |
| xarses | thanks | 16:15 |
| mihgen | angdraug: cinder until HCF | 16:15 |
| sgolovatiuk | Hi Fuelers... | 16:15 |
| angdraug | mihgen: most likely, unless there's strong consensus in favor of SCF exception | 16:15 |
| xarses | #topic Open discussion (bugs, reviews that need attention) | 16:16 |
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| mihgen | If we enter SCF I'm not sure if we want to continue doing exceptions of any kind | 16:16 |
| amaksimov | if we want to release on time - no exceptions please | 16:16 |
| angdraug | fair enough | 16:16 |
| mattymo_ | xarses, now that we're trying to focus on high priority bugs, we should make an effort to not "hog" all the bugs | 16:16 |
| mihgen | amaksimov: +1 | 16:16 |
| mattymo_ | If you hold a high priority bug and you're not working on it, pass it back to fuel-{python,library,etc} | 16:17 |
| mattymo_ | one that needs to be fixed for 7.0 | 16:17 |
| mattymo_ | that way others can pick them up | 16:17 |
| xarses | mattymo_: are we having problems with bugs assigned and not being worked again? | 16:17 |
| amaksimov | yes | 16:17 |
| amaksimov | +1 mattymo_ | 16:17 |
| mattymo_ | our statistics are bad, but the # in fuel-library queue are not so high | 16:17 |
| mihgen | mattymo_: +1 | 16:17 |
| angdraug | can we get a report on number of assigned open bugs per person? | 16:18 |
| mihgen | we need to do daily triage passes over all bugs left | 16:18 |
| IvanKliuk | https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1365368 is tricky. I've been trying to fix it but I'm facing the problems with syncronization. | 16:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1365368 in Fuel for OpenStack 7.0.x "Cannot update ip_ranges for management and storage networks" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Ivan Kliuk (ivankliuk) | 16:18 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1365368 in fuel/7.0.x "Cannot update ip_ranges for management and storage networks" [High,In progress] | 16:18 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1365368 in fuel/7.0.x "Cannot update ip_ranges for management and storage networks" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1365368 | 16:18 |
| mattymo_ | mihgen, triage of all bugs owned by individuals? that's a tricky challenge. better to solve it in a bug squashing session where we can get everyone together | 16:18 |
| amaksimov | angdraug in our KPI report | 16:18 |
| mihgen | mattymo_: I mean get everyone together, and go over all bugs | 16:19 |
| mattymo_ | +1 | 16:19 |
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| xarses | IvanKliuk: wha't ca we do to help? | 16:19 |
| xarses | It seemed to work fine for networks of type ip_range, doesn't work for type 'cidr' | 16:20 |
| IvanKliuk | xarses: No help needed, thanks | 16:20 |
| angdraug | mihgen: "going over" 100 bugs is going to take all day, doing it with the whole team will take up all day of the whole team, not sure about that | 16:20 |
| mattymo_ | angdraug, we manage to do it every release, usually twice :) | 16:20 |
| IvanKliuk | I just cannot estimate when it's going to be fixed | 16:20 |
| xarses | ok | 16:21 |
| IvanKliuk | because it's not trivial fix | 16:21 |
| xarses | any one else have CR or bugs to discuss? | 16:21 |
| mihgen | I managed it before in this way: I was going over bugs, and doing ping-pong of folks working in the area | 16:21 |
| IvanKliuk | I'll let you know about the results by the end of the day via email | 16:21 |
| mihgen | to whether provide update, ask if they work on a bug or not, etc. | 16:21 |
| angdraug | I like that approach better than "get everyone together":) | 16:22 |
| mihgen | however one or two passes by whole team are still needed | 16:22 |
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| mihgen | to see the whole picture and hear concerns from everyone | 16:22 |
| angdraug | amaksimov: found it, thanks. we can use that to identify who's hogging bugs and make sure they don't just sit on any of them | 16:22 |
| mihgen | around certain bugs | 16:22 |
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| angdraug | sounds like a good agenda for the next IRC meeting | 16:23 |
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| mihgen | how are we doing with upgrades? | 16:23 |
| angdraug | I hear last bits were merged yesterday | 16:23 |
| amaksimov | yes | 16:24 |
| amaksimov | I talked with ogelbukh today | 16:24 |
| amaksimov | all ISO related stuff were merged | 16:24 |
| amaksimov | but scripts still not ready | 16:24 |
| amaksimov | but they are not part of ISO | 16:24 |
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| mihgen | ok.. | 16:25 |
| mihgen | at least we merged all ISO-related code | 16:25 |
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| amaksimov | yes | 16:25 |
| mihgen | what about centos 6.6 for master node support? | 16:26 |
| amaksimov | not yet merged | 16:26 |
| angdraug | staging was blocked earlier today | 16:26 |
| angdraug | as soon as it's green we can merge it | 16:26 |
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| mihgen | why was it red? | 16:27 |
| angdraug | the cinder commit I mentioned earlier is expected to fix staging bvt: | 16:27 |
| angdraug | #link https://review.openstack.org/209945 | 16:27 |
| angdraug | a regression introduced by a cinder package | 16:27 |
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| mihgen | ok | 16:28 |
| mihgen | so do we have deadline set for 6.6 ? | 16:28 |
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| angdraug | today | 16:28 |
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| amaksimov | btw shouldn't we discuss the necessity to merge centos 6.6 ? | 16:29 |
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| angdraug | amaksimov: didn't we already have enough discussions about it? | 16:29 |
| amaksimov | we had several conversations inside | 16:29 |
| amaksimov | maybe we also should discuss it here? | 16:29 |
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| angdraug | it's not a fuel change, it's a mos change | 16:30 |
| mihgen | it's Fuel relevant I'd say | 16:30 |
| mihgen | Fuel itself has to support it | 16:30 |
| amaksimov | we will update kernel | 16:30 |
| mihgen | do we update bootstrap as well? | 16:30 |
| angdraug | yes | 16:31 |
| amaksimov | upgrade script will become more complicated | 16:31 |
| amaksimov | it will require reboot of master node | 16:31 |
| mihgen | amaksimov: who will be changing upgrade script? | 16:31 |
| amaksimov | this is additional task which we didn't plan | 16:32 |
| amaksimov | that's why I am against it | 16:32 |
| mihgen | do we have patchsets on review for it? | 16:32 |
| amaksimov | nope | 16:32 |
| mihgen | do we have anyone here who is working on it? | 16:32 |
| amaksimov | this is not just bugfix | 16:32 |
| amaksimov | this is feature | 16:32 |
| mihgen | this is feature; I agree | 16:32 |
| amaksimov | so I was against it | 16:32 |
| amaksimov | because it is too late | 16:33 |
| amaksimov | for such big changes | 16:33 |
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| mihgen | angdraug: do you know if vkozhukalov/dpyzhov was consulting about upgrade scripts | 16:33 |
| amaksimov | and the fact that we are removing resource from fuel 7.0 | 16:33 |
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| angdraug | amaksimov: mihgen: please invite people actually working on centos6.6 if you want to have a meaningful discussion of it here | 16:33 |
| mattymo_ | why can't we just tell the user to reboot after? | 16:33 |
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| amaksimov | well, we can.. but again, we need to think about UX etc | 16:34 |
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| amaksimov | this should be tracked as feature. not just like an ordinary bug | 16:35 |
| angdraug | good form would have been to add it to agenda yesterday and invite the feature lead | 16:35 |
| mihgen | ok guys we can't discuss anything here since relevant people are not here. Let's follow up on this | 16:35 |
| mihgen | angdraug: good form would be to bring yourself to the meeting if you are hacking features in fuel | 16:35 |
| angdraug | amnk: please comment on centos 6.6 impact on upgrade script? | 16:35 |
| amnk | angdraug: it has no impact to my knowledge | 16:36 |
| angdraug | amaksimov: what makes you think there will be an impact? | 16:36 |
| amaksimov | how we can upgrade kernel w/o reboot amnk ? | 16:36 |
| mihgen | amnk: could you please update your name in IRC settings? | 16:36 |
| evgenyl | I'm not sure if upgrade script should restart the nodes, it's dangerous action and we agreed that it should be user's conscientious decision. | 16:36 |
| angdraug | evgenyl: +1 | 16:37 |
| mihgen | evgenyl: +1 | 16:37 |
| angdraug | amnk is Aleksandr Mogylchenko, feature lead for centos 6.6 | 16:37 |
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| amnk | amaksimov: well, it is your decision to reboot node or not. It will work in any case | 16:37 |
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| angdraug | if we are not going to amend upgrade script to reboot the node, and I agree that we shouldn't, what other impact is there? | 16:38 |
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| amaksimov | amnk but you will have to notify user about it | 16:38 |
| amnk | amaksimov: why? | 16:38 |
| mattymo_ | evgenyl, +1 to user initiated reboot | 16:38 |
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| ogelbukh | currently upgrade script tell user to run 'yum update; docker destroy all; docker start all' | 16:39 |
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| mihgen | angdraug: as you've been in the discussion, do we have committment to be on the hook to fix bugs / support upgrade procedure if needed? | 16:40 |
| ogelbukh | adding 'reboot' here doesn't seem to add too much manual action :) | 16:40 |
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| angdraug | amnk has committed to that, yes | 16:40 |
| mihgen | ok that's good | 16:40 |
| angdraug | amnk: right? | 16:40 |
| amnk | yes | 16:41 |
| mihgen | amnk: did you guys check scale up story after upgrade? | 16:41 |
| mihgen | let's say you have env with openstack, then you upgrade fuel, and now you want to add couple of nodes to old env | 16:41 |
| mihgen | I'm about centos-based env specifically | 16:41 |
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| amnk | mihgen: this is for 7.0 - there are no centos-based envs there. | 16:42 |
| angdraug | amnk: mihgen is talking about a 6.1 env deployed by a 6.1 fuel before upgrade to 7.0 | 16:42 |
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| amnk | as I said in the email already - I could not get upgrade feature to work on stock 6.1. And others confirmed that it is not stable. So I do not have reliable test case to rely on | 16:44 |
| mihgen | upgrade of Fuel? | 16:44 |
| amnk | yes. | 16:44 |
| mihgen | nurla: ^^ ? | 16:44 |
| mihgen | can you please comment on stability of upgrade procedure? I've not heard about major issues for 6.0 -> 6.1 | 16:45 |
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| mihgen | regardless, it doesn't mean that we just drop this from our testing matrix | 16:45 |
| mihgen | and declare that we don't support it | 16:45 |
| angdraug | has anyone tested 6.1-7.0 yet? | 16:45 |
| mihgen | if we are about to deprecate a feature, it has to be done properly | 16:46 |
| amnk | I just said that upgrade feature can not be used as reliable test case. | 16:46 |
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| amnk | I'm not saying we should deprecate it | 16:46 |
| angdraug | amnk: doesn't have to be reliable, you only have to prove that you can get it to work | 16:46 |
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| mihgen | this is not a test case itself. angdraug +1 | 16:46 |
| mihgen | it | 16:47 |
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| mihgen | user use case is simple, I had 6.1 with centos; now I've heard 7.0 is cool and has kilo support | 16:47 |
| mihgen | so I upgrade my fuel keeping old env on centos | 16:47 |
| mihgen | and now I try to scale up old centos-based env | 16:47 |
| mihgen | or do any other operations on that one | 16:48 |
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| amnk | well, if that user is able to get it working there will be no problems after we merge our custom build of kernel. | 16:48 |
| mihgen | If we can't make it as such, then we would better not to even recommend upgrade to 7.0, and instead provide manual precedure | 16:48 |
| angdraug | amnk: that's exactly what mihgen wants you to confirm | 16:49 |
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| amnk | angdraug: I confirm | 16:49 |
| mihgen | amnk: the problem can be in cobbler snippets for example | 16:50 |
| mihgen | if you update any of those as part of 6.6 work, ensure that it stays backward compatible | 16:50 |
| amnk | mihgen: if there is a problem - I'll fix it. | 16:51 |
| angdraug | I'm concerned that no one answered my question about testing 6.1-7.0 upgrade | 16:52 |
| bookwar | "I could not get upgrade feature to work on stock 6.1" - we have upgrade tests which test ubuntu deployments after 6.1 to 7.0 upgrade, and they are green. Afaik Centos-based are work in progress by qa team | 16:52 |
| angdraug | thanks | 16:52 |
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| angdraug | nurla: can you update on status of testing centos envs after upgrade to 7.0? | 16:53 |
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| angdraug | amnk: if the auto test of upgrades to 7.0 is green, you should be able to test it manually | 16:54 |
| angdraug | we're running out of time, lets sum up | 16:54 |
| angdraug | 1) there's no impact on Fuel, including upgrade script, but its message should be updated to recommend Fuel node reboot | 16:55 |
| angdraug | 2) upgrades from 6.1 to 7.0 are verified by swarm and are green, so amnk is not blocked with testing 6.1 centos env scale up post-upgrade | 16:56 |
| angdraug | any other blockers? | 16:56 |
| amaksimov | just common sense - big change after FF | 16:57 |
| sgolovatiuk | swarm doesn't check customized environments or environments with plugins | 16:57 |
| mihgen | this is a big change, and risks have to be taken seriously | 16:58 |
| amnk | please stop calling it a "big change". It is not. | 16:58 |
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| bookwar | sgolovatiuk: that's generic issue, for any kind of upgrade | 16:58 |
| sgolovatiuk | amnk: it's a big change | 16:58 |
| mihgen | yes it is - there are many things which can be affected | 16:58 |
| angdraug | we already have centos 6.6 in the fuel docker containers | 16:58 |
| mihgen | and we don't have any thorough test matrix for it | 16:59 |
| amnk | sgolovatiuk: it was done silently inside docker containers, and nobody even noticed. | 16:59 |
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| mihgen | amnk: no one would notice change centos -> debian in containers | 16:59 |
| mihgen | but not here | 16:59 |
| angdraug | biggest part of it all is kernel upgrade | 16:59 |
| sgolovatiuk | Do we test such scenarios? Do we test upgrades on production (live) environments? Do we have any --noop run? | 16:59 |
| mihgen | when you change bootstrap as well, and other things | 16:59 |
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| mihgen | are affected, such as upgrade of fuel | 17:00 |
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| tmcpeak | o/ | 17:00 |
| hyakuhei | o/ | 17:00 |
| angdraug | but if a kernel upgrade to a different patch level within the same major version is a feature for us we have a bigger problem | 17:00 |
| angdraug | time folks | 17:00 |
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| mihgen | xarses: closing | 17:00 |
| IvanKliuk | bye! thanks! | 17:00 |
| xarses | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| Daviey | \o | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 6 17:00:49 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-08-06-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-08-06-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-08-06-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| hyakuhei | #startmeeting Security | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 6 17:00:57 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:01 |
| tmcpeak | yo yo | 17:01 |
| browne | hi | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | sup peeps! | 17:01 |
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| elmiko | heyo/ | 17:01 |
| tkelsey | o/ | 17:01 |
| Daviey | Hola \o | 17:01 |
| gmurphy | hi | 17:01 |
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| tmcpeak | lol, hola | 17:01 |
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| hyakuhei | Right, first off thanks for tmcpeak for filling in during these meetings, from what I’ve read he’s done a stand up job! | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | that's way overblown, but my pleasure :P | 17:02 |
| * hyakuhei has to talk to these pesky customers! | 17:02 | |
| elmiko | here here | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | :) | 17:02 |
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| hyakuhei | I’m actually on the road again today | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | so | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | #chair tmcpeak | 17:02 |
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| openstack | Current chairs: hyakuhei tmcpeak | 17:02 |
| elmiko | lol | 17:02 |
| dg_ | hey | 17:02 |
| gmurphy | hah | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | Just in case my internet explodes :) | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | :) | 17:03 |
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| hyakuhei | ok, lets get an agenda going, we’ve got the standard activities: OSSN, Anchor, Bandit + That intel CVE stuff + Some wiki stuff + mid cycle | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | What else? | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | sounds like a reasonable lineup | 17:03 |
| elmiko | sec doc | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | good call | 17:04 |
| tkelsey | api fuzzing ? | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | I think Nathaniel is PTO atm | 17:04 |
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| hyakuhei | tkelsey: yes if michaelxin is here | 17:04 |
| elmiko | hyakuhei, yea, i've been filling in for him | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | elmiko: superb | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | No nkinder either | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | #topic OSSN | 17:05 |
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| hyakuhei | We have 14 OSSN open at the moment, that’s pretty high | 17:05 |
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| hyakuhei | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | :\ | 17:05 |
| elmiko | ooph | 17:05 |
| elmiko | i'll make an effort to pick another one up | 17:05 |
| dg_ | gosh | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | If we’re offering this service to the community and to the VMT we need to be able to close these out | 17:06 |
| gmurphy | i haven't written one yet.. so I could probably step and and do one.. | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | Awesome | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | I doubt you need any mentoring gmurphy but reach out if you need any help | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, I'll prioritize taking one also | 17:06 |
| Daviey | I've got two inflight that need to be closed out.. blocked on me now i think | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | I’ll try to get one written on the plane | 17:06 |
| gmurphy | is there a priority to these or is it just pick one at random? | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | If you’re stuck on one, send a mail to -dev | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | link to the review | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | Plenty of developers like to correct OSSNs :) I’m sure they’ll help | 17:07 |
| gmurphy | lol | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | No one expects security to be experts on everything. | 17:07 |
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| hyakuhei | (They do, they shouldnt) | 17:07 |
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| elmiko | +1 | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | Ok, So yeah, lets see if we can close out on a bunch of OSSN before the mid-cycle that would be great | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | tkelsey: much to say on Anchor this week? | 17:08 |
| tkelsey | nope, lots of stuff in review though | 17:08 |
| tkelsey | i've been kinda busy this week | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Anchor | 17:08 |
| Daviey | Anchor now has working Keystone Auth.. if a little crappy still. | 17:08 |
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| Daviey | The Devstack integration has been tested with dg.. but other feedback welcome! | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | I think this #link https://review.openstack.org/#/projects/openstack/anchor,dashboards/important-changes:review-inbox-dashboard will work for anyone who wants to look at anchor, it might only work for cores though ? | 17:09 |
| tkelsey | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/anchor+status:open,n,z | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | tkelsey: that’s a better #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/anchor+status:open,n,z | 17:09 |
| Daviey | hyakuhei: link works for sll | 17:09 |
| Daviey | *all | 17:09 |
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| hyakuhei | Did you discuss the API changes last week? | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | a little | 17:09 |
| dg_ | yes | 17:09 |
| dg_ | we decided jfdi | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | Basically, we’re about to break the API, kthnxbye. | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | oh yeah, JFDI | 17:10 |
| Daviey | +1 | 17:10 |
| elmiko | lol | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | Rolling on... | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Bandit | 17:10 |
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| tmcpeak | new version of Bandit (0.13.0) | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | hit yesterday | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | mostly good, but there seems to be some cases where old profiles don't have what they need for new tests | 17:10 |
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| tmcpeak | so we're working on more sensible notification rather than spamming exceptions | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | then we'll get (sigh) 0.13.1 out | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | also Bandit landed in Cinder | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | well landed as in there is now a tox profile | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | not gate yet, but browne is working on it | 17:11 |
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| tmcpeak | tkelsey is a mad man with docs... | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | and we've discovered we really need some gates that test integration points with other project | 17:11 |
| tkelsey | tmcpeak: heh yeah, i'll be back on those soon :) | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | will probably hack on that in midcycle | 17:11 |
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| tmcpeak | I think that's it.. anything I'm forgetting? | 17:12 |
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| Daviey | tmcpeak: is .1 being done for teh config issue? | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | Daviey: yeah | 17:13 |
| Daviey | ta | 17:13 |
| browne | at what point would we ever update g-r with a newer bandit? | 17:13 |
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| tmcpeak | browne: I don't think we need to | 17:14 |
| bknudson | when I change keystone to use any new config or tests I'll update g-r. | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | most projects should pull the latest | 17:14 |
| bknudson | or if any other project wants to do it then they can update g-r | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | do we need to? projects can use whatever Bandit they want | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | no reason they can't use older if they want | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | 0.10.0 was broken, but other than that they're all good | 17:15 |
| bknudson | g-r has bandit>=0.10.1 | 17:15 |
| Daviey | g-r contains bandit>=0.10.1 | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, so that should be fine, right? | 17:16 |
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| Daviey | Yeah, any version above that is good.. but most projects will take latest | 17:16 |
| browne | so if g-r is >=0.10.1, can a project only support 0.10.1 checks. or is it ok to support newer checks found in say 0.13? | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | even better :D | 17:16 |
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| Daviey | ERR | 17:16 |
| Daviey | *STOP PRESS*.. upper-requirements has bandit===0.12.0 | 17:16 |
| bknudson | browne: no, you can't expect 0.13 to be used unless g-r has 0.13.0 | 17:16 |
| Daviey | SO that does need updating | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | wut | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | yikes | 17:17 |
| Daviey | bknudson: g-r is not the issue here | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | well if that's the case how did Cinder even get 0.13.0? | 17:17 |
| bknudson | does upper-requirements get updated automatically? | 17:17 |
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| tmcpeak | nobody knows ;) | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | I heard elves come in and update it randomly | 17:17 |
| Daviey | Shall we take this offline? :) | 17:17 |
| bknudson | I thought there was a job that updated it. | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | yeah fair enough | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | cool, so that's good for Bandit I think | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | Sweet | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | #topic CVE Check tool | 17:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CVE Check tool (Meeting topic: Security)" | 17:18 | |
| hyakuhei | #link http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.cloud.openstack.devel/60983 | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | Thoughts on this ? | 17:18 |
| Daviey | It can't belong in/near bandit IMO.. which was an idea.. 500MB of metadata to download? :o | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | it could be useful, but it's got a big download requirement, so we really want to make sure we run it as infrequently as possible | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, definitely shouldn't be part of Bandit | 17:19 |
| bknudson | CVEaaS | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | I responded on list, honestly I’m not sure it makes as much sense in the infra gates as it does as a tool for vendors - perhaps even on the customer side as the libraries you ship with might become vulnerable over time | 17:19 |
| gmurphy | Doesn't this tool just work for .deb / .rpm packages? | 17:19 |
| gmurphy | I haven't really checked it out. | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | gmurphy: no, it looks at the lib versions I think | 17:19 |
| dg_ | hyakuhei +1 | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | I mean, if say, Nova explicitly requires a very specific, very broken library, I guess that’s a good change to flag ahead of +2 and integration | 17:20 |
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| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: sure, but I think there's arguably some value to making sure blessed versions don't have CVE's upstream supposing it works reliably | 17:20 |
| bknudson | Are they trying to get this picked up by the OSSG? | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | So I can see where it might be used | 17:20 |
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| bknudson | as in, OSSG owns it now? | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | bknudson: we swallow up everything! | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | bknudson: no | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | but it’s relevant to our conversations | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, we don't have bandwidth for it, we can't even write notes reliably :P | 17:20 |
| bknudson | do they want us to submit CVEs for openstack to it? | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: back in the corner! | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | :# | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | bknudson: No - it’s mainly a back-stop tool | 17:21 |
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| bknudson | I'm just wondering what they wanted... just to tell us it exists? | 17:21 |
| gmurphy | hang on where is a link to this tool.. is it this? https://github.com/ikeydoherty/cve-check-tool | 17:21 |
| Daviey | I think the discussion was going down, should openstack/requirements changes have a gate check on it | 17:21 |
| bknudson | if I was an operator I'd be interested just like I'm interested in nessus, etc. | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | To see if there was interest in it and how to leverage it | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: good point, maybe they wanted validation that it's useful first? | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | or where might be best to leverage it | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: +1 | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | and yeah, as hyakuhei said, to find the best integration points | 17:22 |
| bknudson | it's written in c. | 17:22 |
| Daviey | It seems entirely reasonable for the project to do some validation of known bad libraries... but not the project as a whole-job. That is what vendors are for IMO :) | 17:22 |
| bknudson | these people are masochists | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | lol | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | C is an interesting choice for something like this | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: lol | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | We work with those tools that are closest to us | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | fair enough | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | ok, so I guess continue discussion on thread, keep an eye on it to see if it turns into something more useful | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | sounds good | 17:23 |
| dg_ | lol c | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | Write an exploit that uses a BOF in a CVE to wown the C based CVE tool | 17:23 |
| bknudson | there's lots of useful security tools out there. | 17:23 |
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| elmiko | hyakuhei, ouch... | 17:24 |
| * elmiko is an old school C hacker =( | 17:24 | |
| hyakuhei | Ok, lets move swiftly along | 17:24 |
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| hyakuhei | #topic Wiki | 17:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Wiki (Meeting topic: Security)" | 17:24 | |
| hyakuhei | I’ve spent some time trying to update our wiki | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | I think it’s a lot less crap now | 17:24 |
| tkelsey | ruh roh, hit another issue with Barbican/Cinder/Nova in devstack. http://paste.openstack.org/show/411216/ | 17:25 |
| tkelsey | damn, wrong room, sorry! | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | but my writing skills aren’t perfect so please jump in and tidy it as required. | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | Anyway yeah, please feel free to add or correct content on the wiki | 17:25 |
| elmiko | ack | 17:25 |
| bknudson | hyakuhei: it looks good! | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: thanks! less crap is good | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | oooooh, you've sprinkled shinies in it | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | I tried to order it a bit more sanely, highlight more of what we do, spread the credit around etc but yes, someone who’s good at technical writing needs to go through it | 17:26 |
| gmurphy | looks better. we should probably figure out what needs to be done with security.o.o too.. | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: looks legit | 17:26 |
| Daviey | ooo, that is a pretty picture. | 17:26 |
| elmiko | gmurphy, +1 | 17:26 |
| elmiko | and yea, the intro pic is nice on the wiki =) | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | Old version for reference : https://wiki.openstack.org/w/index.php?title=Security&oldid=75645 | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | (and in case I missed anything) | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | eww | 17:27 |
| Daviey | hyakuhei: Blog coming soon? Is this news? | 17:27 |
| elmiko | night and day | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | So I’m attempting to get us some proper blog space | 17:27 |
| elmiko | cool! | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | Over on #link http://www.openstack.org/blog/ | 17:28 |
| Daviey | Somewhere to announce OSSN's! :) | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | There’s some discussion as to wether our content would be too technical, the blog is for higher level stuff | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | Daviey: exactly | 17:28 |
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| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: a subdomain of that maybe? | 17:28 |
| bknudson | we already do have ways to advertise our stuff. | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | So we’ll see what happens, we will have a multi-user blog somewhere soon. openstack.org is my preference but if not we’ll put it elsewhere | 17:28 |
| bknudson | e.g. our stuff winds up on openstack-announce. | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | I'd like to read a security blog but maybe not some of the rest of that stuff :P | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: So my preference is to have Security as one of the listed catagories on the blog | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | Failing that we have lots of options | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | Potentially hanging something off of security.openstack.org for example | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | http://i1.wp.com/openstackreactions.enovance.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/h3imQSu.gif?resize=320%2C240 | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | Though that’s fraught with potential issues | 17:29 |
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| elmiko | thanks tmcpeak, i'm scarred now... | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | :D | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | So anyway yes, exciting super sexy blog on its way | 17:30 |
| elmiko | hyakuhei++ | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | To which you’ll all be invited to attend | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | sounds good | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | s/attend/write | 17:30 |
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| elmiko | haha | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | Ok, next up lets have elmiko talk about docs | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Security Docs | 17:30 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Security Docs (Meeting topic: Security)" | 17:30 | |
| elmiko | alrighty | 17:30 |
| elmiko | we are closing in on the last few fixes for the rst conversion | 17:31 |
| bknudson | might be interesting to get a blog about how OSSG is helping companies deploying / developing openstack | 17:31 |
| bknudson | e.g., if you're running bandit, etc. | 17:31 |
| elmiko | i think we just have 2 outstanding issues, and then some smaller fixes that can be done once the rst is in place | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: +1 | 17:31 |
| elmiko | bknudson, awesome idea +1 | 17:31 |
| Daviey | The last blocker on the theme is about to be merged, which was something else we were blocking on. | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei | That’s excellent | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei | well done elmiko | 17:32 |
| elmiko | we will most likely wait until sicarie is back from black hat/defcon before we make the jump to hyperspace (siwtch to rst) | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | So glad to see this progressing | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | bdpayne would be so proud :’( | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | :'( | 17:32 |
| elmiko | yea, good point Daviey | 17:32 |
| * elmiko sniffles | 17:32 | |
| hyakuhei | So is there anything we can do to help elmiko ? | 17:32 |
| elmiko | i don't think so, we are steadily moving towards the big unfreeze and switchover | 17:33 |
| elmiko | maybe more reviews, when things go up. but it's pretty small at this point | 17:33 |
| Daviey | elmiko: Wasn't it agreed that it was now unfrozen, just don't expect to see changes until the switchover? | 17:33 |
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| elmiko | oh, and we'll need eyes to check the consistency of the final rst stuff, but we have been trying to do that as well | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | Great, I’m looking forward to getting some reviews in. When’s the expected date for the switchover? | 17:33 |
| elmiko | Daviey, good question, i think we can unfreeze but all new changes should go to RST only | 17:34 |
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| elmiko | although we probably shouldn't do that until we switch | 17:34 |
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| elmiko | hyakuhei, i'm guessing another week, perhaps | 17:34 |
| elmiko | gotta find out when sicarie is back | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei | coolio | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei | Anything else elmiko ? | 17:35 |
| dg_ | elmiko i think he is back next week | 17:35 |
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| elmiko | i don't think so, unless Daviey has something more | 17:35 |
| elmiko | dg_, ack, thanks | 17:35 |
| Daviey | Just that the current draft switchover can be reviewed already, http://docs.openstack.org/draft/security-guide-rst/ | 17:35 |
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| Daviey | catch stuff early etc. | 17:35 |
| elmiko | excellent, thanks Daviey | 17:35 |
| elmiko | we're using this etherpad for collecting bugs if people find any | 17:36 |
| elmiko | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sec-guide-rst | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | looks good | 17:36 |
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| elmiko | agreed, i really like the rst format for the guide | 17:37 |
| bknudson | rst >> xml | 17:37 |
| Daviey | * > xml | 17:37 |
| elmiko | so true.... | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | RST is going to make this so much easier | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | ok, so - mid-cyle? | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Mid-Cycle | 17:37 |
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| hyakuhei | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-liberty-midcycle | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | #tlink https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/SecurityLibertySprint | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | thans for getting the agenda started hyakuhei | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | I’ve put some agenda stuff up, I think the way we ran things last time went well | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | +1 | 17:38 |
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| tmcpeak | so day one we can do an initial description and see what people are interested in? | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | Put some vauge feel for how much effort is required for each activity and we can break them up so that people get involved with as many things as they want | 17:39 |
| elmiko | looks nice | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | how about social gathering? we doing one? | 17:39 |
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| hyakuhei | People proposing topics should fill out the ether pad, we’ll use them as the basis for an unconference | 17:39 |
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| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: I’m not asking HP to sponsor as they’re covering the room and breakfast/lunch | 17:39 |
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| hyakuhei | Social gatherings are normally a good idea though, we could pay for ourselves? *gasp* | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | yeah fair enough, I don't think HP needs to sponsor. Maybe we can just all go out somewhere/ | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | ? | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, +1 pay for ourselves | 17:40 |
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| dg_ | so I will go to a bar at some point in that week, you are welcome to join tmcpeak ;) | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | Works for me, I’ll get someone seattle based to look into it. Plenty of nice places for food | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | We could go to whatever von-trapps is called now and play some bocce | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | dg_ Tuesday early morning per normal? :P | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | I think we did that last time though? | 17:41 |
| dg_ | standard | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | von-trapps is always fun | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | Anyway, any questions about the mid-cycle ? | 17:41 |
| dg_ | kells? | 17:41 |
| tkelsey | dg_ +1 | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: you coming? | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | Lets work out which bar to drink dry in the #openstack-security room | 17:41 |
| elmiko | still wish i knew... | 17:41 |
| bknudson | http://www.capitolhillseattle.com/2014/08/von-trapps-changes-name-to-rhein-haus-following-name-dispute/ | 17:41 |
| elmiko | i keep pestering, but i keep getting the brush off | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | Though I don’t have much else to cover over today :P | 17:42 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Any Other Business | 17:42 |
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| Daviey | No API fuzzing demo? | 17:42 |
| hyakuhei | So the votes are in for the Security track, I’ve not been able to do much analysis other than to recognise that voting just doesn’t work very well. | 17:42 |
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| elmiko | boo =( | 17:42 |
| elmiko | hyakuhei, is any of this public yet? | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: you know when we'll find out? | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | Thankfully we’ve got some good track chairs and some great content so I’m confident of a good show at the conference, its just a lot of work for the chairs | 17:43 |
| bknudson | so the vote doesn't matter? | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | elmiko: no | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | bknudson: It’s a guide | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | but when there’s 1500 things to vote on | 17:43 |
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| hyakuhei | It’s a pretty terrible guide | 17:43 |
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| bknudson | 1500 things all with 1 vote by the submitter | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | We do our best to represent interest, deconflict talks and make a compelling track | 17:43 |
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| tmcpeak | who's on security track (where do I send bribes)? | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | The votes don’t get made public but the track selections do | 17:44 |
| bknudson | I'm glad it's not just the votes. | 17:44 |
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| hyakuhei | bknudson: +1 | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | one second I’ll see if I can find the release date | 17:44 |
| elmiko | bknudson, yea, that would be rough | 17:44 |
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| bknudson | otherwise we'd wind up with donald trump | 17:45 |
| elmiko | haha | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | :) | 17:45 |
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| browne | ha! | 17:45 |
| hyakuhei | My understanding is that the official notifications go out the week of august 26th though that’s subject to slippage etc | 17:45 |
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| tmcpeak | not leaving a ton of time for booking, is it | 17:45 |
| browne | tmcpeak: is your attendance dependent on an approved session? | 17:46 |
| tmcpeak | browne: yeah | 17:46 |
| elmiko | ooph =( | 17:46 |
| browne | ouch | 17:46 |
| tmcpeak | Japan flights don't come cheap ;) | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | Off US soil… | 17:47 |
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| hyakuhei | My vote is for hawaii next | 17:47 |
| elmiko | +1 | 17:47 |
| browne | +2 | 17:47 |
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| gmurphy | +1 | 17:47 |
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| tmcpeak | yeah, that'll work | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | fwiw Chairs are from Intel, HP, Redhat and one other I dont remember | 17:47 |
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| hyakuhei | We’re going to have a summit track too | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | it'll probably end up being like Philadelphia or something ;) | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei | We’ll discuss more about that after the mid-cycle unless forced to do it sooner by the scheduling gods | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: hush | 17:48 |
| elmiko | next is austin i thought? | 17:48 |
| bknudson | austin and then barcelona | 17:48 |
| Daviey | Nah, Mars One. | 17:48 |
| elmiko | haha | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei | What’s the Tokyo +1 location ? | 17:49 |
| hyakuhei | Cool | 17:49 |
| hyakuhei | Not been to either of those places yet | 17:49 |
| elmiko | likewise | 17:49 |
| browne | Tokyo, Austin, then Barecelona | 17:49 |
| hyakuhei | Tidy | 17:49 |
| hyakuhei | Then USA then Asia I guess? | 17:49 |
| bknudson | north america | 17:50 |
| bknudson | or south america? | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | HK was really under-subsribed iirc | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | *subscribed | 17:50 |
| elmiko | i feel that won't be the case for tokyo | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: As we’re on AOB do you want to talk about your PyPI stuff? | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | elmiko: I hope so | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: sure | 17:50 |
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| browne | surprised Chicago hasn't been selected yet. right in the middle of the US | 17:51 |
| bknudson | hopefully we can have a more productive design summit to make the flight worth it | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | so I worked with dstufft and got a change merged into PyPI that blocks IP and user after 10 failed logins | 17:51 |
| elmiko | browne, yea curious | 17:51 |
| bknudson | but it's always hard to get a lot done in a short amount of time | 17:51 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak, nice! | 17:51 |
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| tmcpeak | primary concern is that somebody will target a crap password in one of the upstream requirements and merge some malicious code, etc | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | so this is one step closer to preventing that attack | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | next up I'm going to set up email notifications for repo owners when a new package is uploaded or their password is changed | 17:52 |
| bknudson | tmcpeak: sounds like you're talking about a cve checking tool | 17:52 |
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| tmcpeak | bknudson: no, basic security controls for PyPI is what I'm currently thinking about :) | 17:53 |
| tkelsey | tmcpeak: good stuff | 17:53 |
| Daviey | tmcpeak: How many Users does that help vs just developers? | 17:53 |
| Daviey | I mean, it sounds like a good control to have. | 17:53 |
| bknudson | I think there are groups planning to continuously deploy from master and using pypi for packages | 17:54 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak, that's awesome | 17:54 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah it’s pretty useful | 17:54 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, it's kind of scary how central PyPI is in everything | 17:54 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:54 |
| tmcpeak | dstufft is doing great work, but he's so understaffed | 17:54 |
| tmcpeak | PyPI has kind of grown to massive importance over time, was never designed for the key role in open source software it currently has | 17:54 |
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| tmcpeak | so yeah, until PyPI 2.0 (warehouse) hits, might as well get the one everybody is using to implement some basic controls | 17:55 |
| elmiko | is it a one person operation? | 17:55 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: yeah, basically | 17:55 |
| elmiko | oh wow... | 17:55 |
| Daviey | crikey | 17:55 |
| tmcpeak | if you ever meet dstufft buy him beers :) | 17:56 |
| elmiko | they have a bug log, or accept patches or anything? | 17:56 |
| hyakuhei | All the beer | 17:56 |
| elmiko | hyakuhei++ | 17:56 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: yeah, you can talk to dstufft, he was very helpful in getting my change merged | 17:56 |
| hyakuhei | ok, I think that’s a wrap! | 17:56 |
| tmcpeak | he hangs in in #openstack-security too | 17:56 |
| tmcpeak | cool, thanks hyakuhei | 17:56 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak, awesome, thanks. i might hit you up later for some info | 17:56 |
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| tmcpeak | elmiko: sounds good | 17:56 |
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| Daviey | lets go home? | 17:57 |
| hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 17:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 6 17:57:05 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:57 |
| hyakuhei | Thanks all | 17:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-08-06-17.00.html | 17:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-08-06-17.00.txt | 17:57 |
| tmcpeak | have a good week everybody | 17:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-08-06-17.00.log.html | 17:57 |
| Daviey | thanks hyakuhei | 17:57 |
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| elmiko | thanks hyakuhei | 17:57 |
| hyakuhei | no worries, nice to be here with y’all :D | 17:57 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | hey sahara folks | 17:59 |
| elmiko | hey SergeyLukjanov ! | 17:59 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting sahara | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 6 18:00:32 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | let's wait for a few mins | 18:00 |
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| elmiko | cool | 18:00 |
| huichun | hello | 18:00 |
| alazarev | o/ | 18:00 |
| vgridnev | hi | 18:01 |
| weiting | hello | 18:01 |
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| tosky | hi | 18:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic sahara@horizon status (crobertsrh, NikitaKonovalov) | 18:02 |
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| crobertsrh | Not sure we're seeing any more attention from outside of sahara people, but I think our patches are in good shape to be reviewed | 18:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-reviews-in-horizon | 18:03 |
| crobertsrh | *we* do need to be reviewing them though | 18:03 |
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| alazarev | as I see @vgridnev took my https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158918/ | 18:04 |
| crobertsrh | Even if you're not a "horizon guy", please take a peek at them. Large parts of the code are very simple to understand. | 18:04 |
| vgridnev | #agreed | 18:04 |
| crobertsrh | the other parts are entirely incomprehensible. | 18:04 |
| vgridnev | alazarev, yea | 18:04 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | and probably we should talk about getting at least one core in Horizon :) | 18:04 |
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| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov, +1 | 18:05 |
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| crobertsrh | Or perhaps just start paying a core on the side to help us out. | 18:05 |
| elmiko | haha | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yeah :) | 18:05 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | we have 1 or 2 in mirantis, there are some core guys from Red Hat | 18:06 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | we should probably be able to send some beer for reviews :) | 18:06 |
| crobertsrh | for sure | 18:06 |
| david-lyle | an update from the horizon side, I asked for reviews and shared the etherpad in the weekly meeting. I also explained the one core idea from Horizon's side. | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | from my PoV one +2 is ~ 25% easier review workflow | 18:06 |
| crobertsrh | In the meantime, if we can get 4 or 5 +1s on our stuff, that will add fuel when we ping the horizon cores | 18:07 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | david-lyle, thx! | 18:07 |
| elmiko | david-lyle, what about using the cross-project liaison effort to shepherd the idea? | 18:07 |
| david-lyle | so please keep your side on the reviews up and we should see things starting to move | 18:07 |
| crobertsrh | awesome :) | 18:07 |
| david-lyle | even if it's just me :) | 18:07 |
| david-lyle | elmiko: to help promote reviews? | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | david-lyle, probably we should have "official" "cores" for sahara part, like document that +1s from the list of guys should be used as a +2 | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | (one of +2s) | 18:08 |
| elmiko | david-lyle, oh i meant more working towards another core (or something like it) | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | david-lyle, have you seen how the core review workflow works in rally? | 18:08 |
| crobertsrh | Maybe an upper case 1 rather than a lowercase 1 | 18:08 |
| elmiko | like an official sahara-horizon liaison | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, yup | 18:08 |
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| elmiko | maybe someone sassy like crobertsrh ;) | 18:09 |
| david-lyle | sure, I assumed up to now crobertsrh was essentially that :) | 18:09 |
| david-lyle | sassy | 18:09 |
| crobertsrh | careful elmiko, he's a bit of a wild card | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | in Rally, the +2 permissions granted to extended set of people (due to the gerrit limitations) that are asked to +2 only on their components | 18:09 |
| david-lyle | I mean liaison | 18:09 |
| elmiko | lol | 18:09 |
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| elmiko | david-lyle, well, he is sassy too >.< | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 18:10 |
| david-lyle | SergeyLukjanov: let me think about that one, I'm not immediately opposed | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | NikitaKonovalov, ping, are you here? :) | 18:10 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | david-lyle, yeah, sure, it's a good option to think about, it already works very good in Rally | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | folks, do we have something else to chat in this topic? | 18:11 |
| crobertsrh | Nothing from me. | 18:11 |
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| crobertsrh | thanks david-lyle | 18:11 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | let's move one | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | david-lyle, thx! | 18:12 |
| david-lyle | anytime | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 18:12 |
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| elmiko | working on the keystone update, think i've solved the issue with trusts. also closing in on the api v2 spec, i have a poc and some ideas but i'm not sure if folks will like my approach ;) | 18:13 |
| vgridnev | worked with vanilla 2.7.1, patches on review: | 18:13 |
| vgridnev | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:bp/support-vanilla-2-7-1,n,z | 18:13 |
| apavlov | I've been working on implementation of shared across tenants and protected from updates resources | 18:13 |
| huichun | working on add EDP detail error log info when job failed | 18:13 |
| crobertsrh | Lots of interesting stuff around sahara + manila integration. egafford, tmckay and I have a few patches up | 18:13 |
| elmiko | oh also, we are getting very close to having an upstream castellan for integration. at which point i want to start pushing the patches for the improved secret storage | 18:15 |
| alazarev | I'm finishing pending tasks on OpenStack (no more my patches on review), working on internal stuff | 18:15 |
| huichun | elmiko: hi Michael, need your help on review on EDP patches | 18:15 |
| huichun | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182310/ | 18:16 |
| huichun | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192097/ | 18:16 |
| huichun | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201448/ | 18:16 |
| NikitaKonovalov | o/ actually not much updates from me as I've been busy with internal activities | 18:16 |
| elmiko | huichun, i'll take a look today | 18:16 |
| huichun | thanks | 18:16 |
| elmiko | np | 18:16 |
| * tosky as well, internal stuff | 18:16 | |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Client release plans | 18:18 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-liberty-client | 18:18 |
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| vgridnev | SergeyLukjanov, I believe that this change should be merged: | 18:19 |
| vgridnev | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193157/ | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | vgridnev, agree | 18:19 |
| crobertsrh | Yes, it's certainly needed. | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I think we should have a first L cycle client release soon, like early next week | 18:20 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, tmckay, elmiko, ping re client release | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | vgridnev, please, add link to this CR to the etherpad | 18:21 |
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| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov, yup, i'll followup on those reviews | 18:21 |
| crobertsrh | Yep | 18:21 |
| vgridnev | SergeyLukjanov, ok, done | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any objection re release early next week? | 18:21 |
| elmiko | none from me | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we could postpone if you expect some changes soon | 18:22 |
| crobertsrh | No objection here. | 18:22 |
| elmiko | nah, the only changes i want are future stuff that needs to be coded still ;) | 18:22 |
| huichun | tmckay | 18:22 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | folks, please, review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206124/ | 18:22 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov, i am curious about our plans for releases in general for sahara after the L cycle | 18:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, we'll definetly have at least one more client release | 18:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, huge topic for the summit discussions | 18:23 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov, yea, definitely | 18:23 |
| elmiko | i'm actually excited about moving about moving away from the 1,2,3 cycle release | 18:23 |
| elmiko | i think we can get more done | 18:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | due to the gov changes, it's now possible | 18:24 |
| elmiko | yea | 18:24 |
| elmiko | that's what i'm curious about =) | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, the issue is that which verion of OSt should be supported | 18:24 |
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| elmiko | yea | 18:24 |
| elmiko | that makes sense | 18:24 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, if we're doing separated releases (like few times per half year cycle of the rest OSt) then we'll need to work on the latest *stable* OSt | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and dev new features only after the actual OSt release | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | == + 2-3 month lag on features | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #agreed release client early next week | 18:25 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov, can't we keep a dev branch and a stable branch? | 18:26 |
| elmiko | and release from stable branch | 18:26 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, it will mean that we'll need to backport features, that's painful | 18:26 |
| elmiko | mmm, good point | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | but it's an option as well | 18:26 |
| * elmiko likes experimental code | 18:27 | |
| * tosky does not :) | 18:27 | |
| elmiko | haha | 18:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Open discussion | 18:27 |
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| elmiko | but tosky, experimental means you don't have to test it ;) | 18:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 18:27 |
| elmiko | i'd like to talk about api v2 for a minute | 18:27 |
| tosky | (until it blows up later) | 18:27 |
| elmiko | so, i have an idea about creating the v2 api in an experimental mode, as in not ready for production | 18:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | there is a workflow of developing new features in features branch for the not-yet-released OSt and then merging this feature branches | 18:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | but it's a very tricky flow as well :) | 18:28 |
| elmiko | i'm curious if people have thoughts about keeping a v2 api in an experimental stage until we are ready to declare it stable? | 18:28 |
| tosky | so that no one is allowed to use it? | 18:28 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov, yea, i get that. we don't have to push on that too hard if it's complicated. | 18:29 |
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| tosky | it would be interesting to know what ohter projects did in the past and try to align | 18:29 |
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| elmiko | tosky, well the idea would be that we declare it experimental, it would be in the codebase but advised not to use as it will akin to a 0.x.y version. meaning highly variable changes happening | 18:29 |
| elmiko | maybe not even keep the saharaclient up to date with it until it is "ready" | 18:30 |
| elmiko | what i'd like to do is introduce a v2 endpoint, with microversioning, then iterate upon that while we make changes to get it in shape | 18:30 |
| tosky | I think it depends on the common expectation about API stability for projects: does always "published" mean "the contract with clients start here"? | 18:30 |
| elmiko | this api would be explicitly marked as non-stable | 18:31 |
| elmiko | initially | 18:31 |
| tosky | remember that the baseline (basic 2.0 client) will always be supported, even if (to be checked) you deprecate some intermediate microversions | 18:31 |
| elmiko | almost akin to how semver.org talks about a 0.x.y version api | 18:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, it's a standard approach of adding new API version | 18:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 18:31 |
| elmiko | tosky, i'm suggesting there would be no basic 2.0 client until we declare the v2 ready for it | 18:32 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov, ok, cool. so this isn't totally crazy ;) | 18:32 |
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| elmiko | so, for example, lets say that the v2 starts out at microversion 2.0.0 | 18:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, I mean the lifecycle is EXPERIMENTAL (not recommended for usage, could be changed significantly), STABLE (no backward compat breaking changes at all, recommended for usage) and DEPRECATED (not recommended for usage, still no backward compat breaking changes at all, mostly always it means that project is preparing for removal of this API version) | 18:33 |
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| tosky | oh, good to know | 18:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and actually the last one is REMOVED | 18:33 |
| elmiko | and we add a bunch of changes, while increasing the microversion, and we end up at 2.x.y as a happy endpoint for the conversion | 18:34 |
| elmiko | then we declare that 2.x.y is the stable, and make a client based on that | 18:34 |
| elmiko | then we release the v2 api | 18:34 |
| tosky | if it's experimental, I guess you don't need microversioning | 18:34 |
| tosky | only from the STABLE status onwards you need them | 18:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, I'm not sure that we even really need to increase microversions for the eperimental API | 18:34 |
| elmiko | not needed, but i'd like them in there to keep track of how we are advancing the api. also because i think we should use them once it goes stable. | 18:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky ++ | 18:34 |
| elmiko | fair points | 18:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I think it's even bad to use microversions for exp. - it'll slow down changes :) | 18:35 |
| elmiko | i think it will help for the development process though, as we will need to make many small changes to get the api in shape for stable | 18:35 |
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| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov, how so? | 18:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, (internal feeling) | 18:36 |
| tosky | you don't really want garbage running around in STABLE | 18:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, not really the technical issue | 18:36 |
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| elmiko | ok, i can accept that =) | 18:36 |
| elmiko | tosky, not sure i follow | 18:36 |
| tosky | a STABLE API is the starting point, the development process that lead to that API does not need to be kept around | 18:37 |
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| elmiko | that's a good point, i see this more as a way for us to track the evolution as it may take 6months to a year to fully implement the v2 | 18:38 |
| tosky | there is always git for that | 18:38 |
| elmiko | true, but i still don't see how bumping microversions takes away from the dev effort. it's just a simple way to confirm the status of an api | 18:39 |
| tosky | microversions are a way to introduce (small) API breakages on stable API. If you don't have a stable API, you don't have the problem they are supposed to solve | 18:39 |
| elmiko | although i can see how it might things slightly confusing for several developers to coordinate if they have to manage the microversion bumping | 18:39 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | random bad idea - as an option the 2.dev.666 format could be used and then dropped with a stable release | 18:40 |
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| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov, i like that bad idea =) | 18:40 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, you've just found the technical thing that will slow down changes ;) | 18:40 |
| elmiko | haha, true | 18:40 |
| elmiko | my feeling is that it will help to develop the tooling and rigor around using the microversions | 18:41 |
| vgridnev | what we are going to do with Hadoop v1 ? | 18:42 |
| elmiko | but i acknowledge that it may not be strictly necessary, and could introduce some slowness to development | 18:42 |
| SergeyLukjanov | vgridnev, I think we agreed that there is a spec per dropped plugin needed | 18:42 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and everyone was mostly ok with dropping H1 | 18:43 |
| elmiko | tosky, SergeyLukjanov, thanks for talking it through with me =) | 18:43 |
| tosky | I thought that the spec was out, but needed few tunings | 18:43 |
| tosky | (for removing hadoop1) | 18:43 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | there is a spec and I need make some corrections there | 18:44 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | I want to finish it actually asap and finally remove Hadoop v1 as it annoyingly appears to often in the dropdown when creating templates | 18:45 |
| NikitaKonovalov | sometimes it simply causes missclicks | 18:45 |
| apavlov | There were a lot of talks about PATCH calls implementation in further pathes and replacement current PUT calls with PATCH, but did we came to a some kind of conclusion about what we should do not in v2 but now. What i got is that we will not touch existing PUT calls, but will we add PATCH for new ones? | 18:48 |
| elmiko | apavlov, i agree with that | 18:48 |
| elmiko | PATCH for new calls, no touching the older PUT calls | 18:48 |
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| crobertsrh | Sounds like a plan, +1 | 18:49 |
| elmiko | an interesting thought about this would be to add the PATCH calls for the PUTs we currently have. allow both to exist in v1.1, but refer to the PATCH calls in the api-ref docs | 18:49 |
| elmiko | also, we are missing WADLs for the job binary updates and data source updates | 18:50 |
| elmiko | and the scaling operation is wrongly listed as POST | 18:50 |
| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209542/ | 18:50 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | anything else to chat? | 18:54 |
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| crobertsrh | I can't think of anything. | 18:54 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | okay, thank you folks! | 18:54 |
| SergeyLukjanov | have a good rest of day | 18:55 |
| elmiko | thanks SergeyLukjanov | 18:55 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 18:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 6 18:55:28 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-08-06-18.00.html | 18:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-08-06-18.00.txt | 18:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-08-06-18.00.log.html | 18:55 |
| huichun | thanks | 18:55 |
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| amitgandhinz | #startmeeting Poppy Weekly Meeting | 18:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 6 18:59:59 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amitgandhinz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'poppy_weekly_meeting' | 19:00 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Roll call | 19:00 |
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| malini | o/ | 19:01 |
| ametts | \o/ | 19:01 |
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| ametts | worst. meeting. ever. | 19:02 |
| amitgandhinz | wow two people | 19:02 |
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| amitgandhinz | im going to give it 7 more minutes | 19:02 |
| obulpathi1 | o/ | 19:03 |
| malini | if 4 is the quorum, I am leaving :/ | 19:03 |
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| anantha | o/ | 19:04 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Last Week Review | 19:04 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link Agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Poppy | 19:05 |
| amitgandhinz | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-07-30-19.01.html | 19:05 |
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| amitgandhinz | amitgandhinz to make mimic fastly the default driver | 19:05 |
| amitgandhinz | this is done and merged | 19:05 |
| amitgandhinz | amitgandhinz to assign more things to malini at next meeting | 19:05 |
| amitgandhinz | i will do so after we get malini status ;-) | 19:06 |
| malini | :/ | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | malini to get the outstanding security patches fixed and merged | 19:06 |
| malini | ongoing :) | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | specifically malini to deal with https://review.openstack.org/143720 | 19:06 |
| malini | I resurrected it | 19:06 |
| malini | needs reviews | 19:06 |
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| amitgandhinz | please nag people to review it before it gets stale again | 19:07 |
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| amitgandhinz | malini to deal with https://review.openstack.org/144324 | 19:07 |
| sriram | o/ | 19:07 |
| amitgandhinz | looks like this needs some reviews too | 19:07 |
| * sriram in a bit late | 19:07 | |
| malini | amitgandhinz: plz review https://review.openstack.org/143720 | 19:07 |
| malini | ;) | 19:07 |
| malini | & https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144324/ | 19:07 |
| * sriram review everything!! | 19:07 | |
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| amitgandhinz | cool | 19:08 |
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| amitgandhinz | malini: there are 3 security tests that are red from April | 19:08 |
| amitgandhinz | can i assign these to you to focus on the next week (or to nag ppl) | 19:09 |
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| amitgandhinz | specifically: https://review.openstack.org/164257 | 19:09 |
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| amitgandhinz | https://review.openstack.org/169450 | 19:09 |
| amitgandhinz | https://review.openstack.org/169611 | 19:09 |
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| malini | I abandoned two now | 19:09 |
| amitgandhinz | cool | 19:10 |
| malini | third one needs work | 19:10 |
| malini | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169611/ | 19:10 |
| malini | I vote to abandon https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169611/ | 19:10 |
| malini | if its https, it will return https -rt | 19:11 |
| malini | do we need tht test? | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | yes, to ensure we do return https | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | i know a while back we had an issue where location headers didnt return https | 19:11 |
| malini | aah..ok | 19:12 |
| malini | I didnt know we were capable of tht :/ | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | we generate the urls we render in the json | 19:12 |
| malini | we can abandon this too https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157255/ ? | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | abandoned. | 19:12 |
| malini | & this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169969/ ? | 19:13 |
| malini | will we ever run automated test for custom/san? | 19:13 |
| malini | tht costs money | 19:13 |
| amitgandhinz | sriram: https://review.openstack.org/131556 do we need this, or did you chase the rabbit? | 19:13 |
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| amitgandhinz | malini: prob not, unless we mimic it | 19:13 |
| malini | with mimic, its not really e2e test | 19:14 |
| amitgandhinz | we can abandon it | 19:14 |
| malini | done | 19:14 |
| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: is this patchset still valid or should it be abandoned? https://review.openstack.org/168110 | 19:15 |
| tonytan4ever | It should be abandoned | 19:15 |
| tonytan4ever | I will abandon it | 19:15 |
| malini | & https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160392/ ? | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | https://review.openstack.org/160392 | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | =P | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: ^ | 19:15 |
| tonytan4ever | So does this one. | 19:16 |
| obulpathi1 | We can drop this one too: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184514/ | 19:16 |
| tonytan4ever | I will abandon it | 19:16 |
| amitgandhinz | malini: https://review.openstack.org/155119 | 19:16 |
| amitgandhinz | thats the performance test | 19:16 |
| malini | I will resurrect tht | 19:16 |
| malini | just triggered a rebase :) | 19:16 |
| amitgandhinz | i will assign this to you then ;-) | 19:16 |
| amitgandhinz | #action malini to resurrect https://review.openstack.org/155119 | 19:16 |
| malini | cool | 19:16 |
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| amitgandhinz | #action malini to resurrect https://review.openstack.org/169611 | 19:17 |
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| amitgandhinz | #action amitgandhinz to resurrect https://review.openstack.org/143192 | 19:18 |
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| amitgandhinz | i will tackle ^ as part of mimic stuff (we need a dns mimic driver) | 19:18 |
| amitgandhinz | ok i think we are cleaned up and got rid of a lot of the old cruft thats been hanging around =) | 19:19 |
| malini | the queue is already much smaller now :) | 19:19 |
| amitgandhinz | yup | 19:19 |
| amitgandhinz | less red! | 19:19 |
| malini | this has been a productive meeting :D | 19:19 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Liberty 3 | 19:19 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link https://launchpad.net/poppy/+milestone/liberty-3 | 19:19 |
| amitgandhinz | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/gate-api-tests | 19:20 |
| amitgandhinz | this is mine | 19:20 |
| amitgandhinz | this is slow progress | 19:20 |
| amitgandhinz | i have started setting up the bash script etc to install docker on an image in the infra configs | 19:20 |
| amitgandhinz | i am trying to figure out how to run it locally to ensure it works before i submit a patch | 19:20 |
| malini | hmm..can you even do that? | 19:21 |
| malini | I mean test the infra config change locally | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | idk | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | i think there is a way to spin up a server the same way they do | 19:21 |
| malini | I don't think so :/ | 19:21 |
| malini | good luck | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | i just dont want to blindly submit patches | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | worst case i do | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/akamai-ssl-driver | 19:22 |
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| tonytan4ever | I rolled out a PR yesterday, | 19:22 |
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| tonytan4ever | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209648/ | 19:22 |
| tonytan4ever | It is good for review | 19:22 |
| tonytan4ever | I would still call it in good progress though. | 19:23 |
| amitgandhinz | too much red | 19:23 |
| amitgandhinz | tox failed | 19:23 |
| tonytan4ever | I will fix that. | 19:23 |
| amitgandhinz | does this implement everything? | 19:23 |
| tonytan4ever | Not everything, just create the certificate via sps part | 19:23 |
| amitgandhinz | it would be good to describe what it does, and what remains in the comment | 19:24 |
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| tonytan4ever | OK | 19:24 |
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| tonytan4ever | I will update the comment | 19:24 |
| amitgandhinz | thanks | 19:25 |
| amitgandhinz | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/mimic-fastly | 19:25 |
| amitgandhinz | this is merged now | 19:25 |
| amitgandhinz | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/notification-driver | 19:25 |
| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: this is still in review right | 19:25 |
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| amitgandhinz | obulpathi1: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1473193 | 19:25 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1473193 in Poppy "Prevent use of root domains in services" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Obulapathi (obulpathi) | 19:25 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1473193 in poppy "Prevent use of root domains in services" [Medium,In progress] | 19:25 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1473193 in poppy "Prevent use of root domains in services" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1473193 | 19:25 |
| tonytan4ever | Yes | 19:25 |
| obulpathi1 | malini found some bugs that needs to be addressed in that | 19:26 |
| obulpathi1 | fixed some of them will push the pr out | 19:26 |
| amitgandhinz | thanks | 19:26 |
| amitgandhinz | any other bugs/bp we need to discuss?? | 19:26 |
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| * ametts hears crickets | 19:27 | |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Open Discussion | 19:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:27 | |
| amitgandhinz | ametts needs to stop watch Cricket | 19:27 |
| amitgandhinz | s/watch/watching | 19:28 |
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| amitgandhinz | anything up for discussion? | 19:28 |
| amitgandhinz | .........3 | 19:28 |
| amitgandhinz | ..................2 | 19:29 |
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| amitgandhinz | ....................................1 | 19:29 |
| ametts | Anything with obupathi1's name on it? | 19:29 |
| ametts | that needs to be reassigned? | 19:29 |
| amitgandhinz | only one bug which he thinks will be submitted son | 19:29 |
| amitgandhinz | soon | 19:29 |
| ametts | ok | 19:29 |
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| amitgandhinz | thanks everyone | 19:30 |
| amitgandhinz | #endmeeting | 19:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:30 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 6 19:30:12 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-08-06-18.59.html | 19:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-08-06-18.59.txt | 19:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-08-06-18.59.log.html | 19:30 |
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