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| Sukhdev | Hello Folks - time for ML2 meeting | 16:01 |
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| yamamoto | hi | 16:01 |
| yamahata | hello | 16:01 |
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| scheuran | hi | 16:02 |
| rkukura | hi | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 5 16:02:33 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 16:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | Good morning, folks | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Agenda | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2 | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Announcements | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | Liberty FF is approaching soon - so, plan activities accordingly | 16:04 |
| Sukhdev | not whole lot of time - this cycle seems a bit short :-) | 16:04 |
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| Sukhdev | I will be traveling next week to attend Ironic mid-cycle sprint - so, will not be here | 16:05 |
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| Sukhdev | Any body has any other announcements? | 16:05 |
| rkukura | I can chair next week | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: cool - thanks | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: ML2 late-cycle sprint | 16:06 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: I believe we are settled on the week of 10/5 - right? | 16:06 |
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| rkukura | right | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: Have you closed off on the venue? | 16:07 |
| rkukura | not yet, I’ll work on that | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | we had tree choices Cisco, Yahoo, and Brocade | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: shall I assign you action to close off on it? | 16:07 |
| rkukura | yes | 16:07 |
| ijw | Sukhdev: I recommend Steins | 16:08 |
| rkukura | that works! | 16:08 |
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| rkukura | neutral territory | 16:08 |
| Sukhdev | #action: rkukura to finalize the venue and other details for the ML2 late-cycle | 16:08 |
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| ijw | You know you'll be spending time there anyway, might as well save the commute | 16:08 |
| Sukhdev | ijw: I like your thinking process - however, we have to start in the evenings and end in the mornings :-):-) | 16:09 |
| Sukhdev | ijw: Do we have a volunteer? | 16:09 |
| ijw | I volunteer to be at Steins, that's about as much as you're getting from me | 16:09 |
| Sukhdev | ijw: ha ha - trouble maker :-):-) | 16:10 |
| Sukhdev | #link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Neutron_ML2_Mid-Cycle_Sprint | 16:10 |
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| Sukhdev | Anything else on the ML2 late-cycle | 16:10 |
| Sukhdev | ijw: BTW, we are due to pay a visit to Steins - perhaps you should take an action to arrange that... | 16:11 |
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| ijw | OK - Friday evening at Steins, tell your friends | 16:12 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: L3 Blue prints | 16:12 |
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| Sukhdev | #link: https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/liberty-3 | 16:12 |
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| Sukhdev | Please have a look at the list of Bps - | 16:13 |
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| Sukhdev | I noticed couple of them may be of interest to this team | 16:13 |
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| Sukhdev | scheuran: you may want to check out - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/restructure-l2-agent | 16:14 |
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| Sukhdev | another one interesting is - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ml2-qos | 16:14 |
| scheuran | Sukhdev, ok - I will have a look | 16:14 |
| rkukura | also https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/reference-implementation-split | 16:15 |
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| Sukhdev | right | 16:16 |
| Sukhdev | Please do take some to browse through them - and keep the FF deadline in mind | 16:16 |
| Sukhdev | Anything else on this? | 16:16 |
| Sukhdev | moving right along…. | 16:16 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Modular L2 discussion | 16:17 |
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| Sukhdev | Last week we had a detailed discussion about macvtap agent/driver discussion | 16:17 |
| scheuran | so I did some research and talked to banix, but the spec and concept is in a bad state | 16:17 |
| Sukhdev | #link: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-August/071207.html | 16:18 |
| scheuran | so starting right now and implementing the modular l2 agent just does not make sense I guess | 16:18 |
| Sukhdev | scheuran: I read your response on the ML | 16:18 |
| scheuran | this needs a proper design which is being discussed in a broader scope, like with ovs subject matter experts | 16:18 |
| scheuran | So my proposal was either to do somehting to just share code | 16:19 |
| scheuran | or do it like in the past - have a separate agent with duplicated code | 16:19 |
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| scheuran | but sc68cal_ brought back the idea again integrating it into linuxbridge again | 16:20 |
| rkukura | I think its worth trying to share code if possible. Even that would be step towards a modular agent. | 16:20 |
| scheuran | we would move out all linuxbridge related stuff to a linuxbridgemanager class and though creating an interface | 16:20 |
| scheuran | rkukura, right, it would be a step towards | 16:21 |
| Sukhdev | scheuran: I read sc68cal_ response on ML as well | 16:21 |
| scheuran | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:bug/1468803,n,z | 16:21 |
| Sukhdev | scheuran: as long as you have done the due-diligence and reached at this conclusion - that is great | 16:22 |
| scheuran | this is sc68cal_ work to restructure lb like ovs | 16:22 |
| scheuran | he already started to move out the obvious linuxbridge stuff into a manager class | 16:22 |
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| scheuran | and I hope I'll find some time this week to move out the rest (I already did this in another prototype) | 16:23 |
| scheuran | it will not be functional | 16:23 |
| scheuran | but we will get an impression how it could look like | 16:23 |
| Sukhdev | scheuran: thanks for sharing this information. | 16:24 |
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| scheuran | Sukhdev, we will see ;) | 16:24 |
| scheuran | Sukhdev, welcome | 16:24 |
| scheuran | we will share the results via the ML again | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | anybody has anything to add to this? | 16:25 |
| rkukura | sounds good to me | 16:26 |
| Sukhdev | scheuran: this is a great place to discuss any L2 related issues/designs - so, feel free to reach out for any help | 16:26 |
| scheuran | Sukhdev, thanks! Sure I will! | 16:26 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Physical Topology discussion | 16:27 |
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| Sukhdev | Looks like our physical topology gang is missing | 16:27 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: are you in touch with asoumya? we have not heard any update from them for a while | 16:28 |
| rkukura | I’ll check with him | 16:28 |
| Sukhdev | cool | 16:29 |
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| Sukhdev | moving right along - we are at the end of the agenda item | 16:29 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Open Discussion | 16:29 |
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| Sukhdev | Anybody has anything to discuss | 16:29 |
| yamamoto | hi | 16:29 |
| yamamoto | i have one | 16:30 |
| Sukhdev | yamamoto: please go ahead | 16:30 |
| yamamoto | we want to implement midonet ml2 driver and want to ask your opinions. | 16:30 |
| yamamoto | currently we plan to have a dedicated "midonet" type driver. how do you think? | 16:31 |
| yamahata | I have another tpic, but after yamamoto. | 16:31 |
| Sukhdev | yamamoto: sure | 16:31 |
| yamamoto | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209367/ | 16:31 |
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| rkukura | yamamoto: a dedicated type driver makes sense if other mechanism drivers will not be able to directly use the same network segments | 16:32 |
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| yamamoto | and we plan to filter out unrelated (non-midonet type network) ops at driver level | 16:32 |
| Sukhdev | yamamoto: ML2 architecture allows this | 16:32 |
| rkukura | right - ignore segments of types that you don’t handle | 16:33 |
| yamamoto | in order to implement it, we want to modify driver api so that a driver can see what network types is used for subnets/ports | 16:33 |
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| rkukura | yamamoto: Aren’t the subnets and ports orthogonal to the set of L2 segments in the network and their types? | 16:33 |
| rkukura | During port binding, a segment will be selected by the mechanism driver that binds the port. | 16:34 |
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| yamamoto | well | 16:34 |
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| yamamoto | when creating a port which belongs to a network whose network_type!=midonet, we want to avoid passing create_port to midonet backend | 16:36 |
| yamamoto | doesn't it make sense? | 16:36 |
| Sukhdev | yamamoto: for this you do not need to make change to the api - simply in ML2 driver filter out the create_port request | 16:37 |
| rkukura | yamamoto: Sure, your MD can ignore ports on networks that have no segments with types it handles. | 16:37 |
| yamamoto | my understanding is that currently there's no way for a driver to know network_type for create_port. | 16:37 |
| yamamoto | is there any? | 16:37 |
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| yamamoto | besides accessing private (_-prefixed) attributes of port/subnet context | 16:38 |
| Sukhdev | yamamoto: I think you need segmentation type - which is present in the context | 16:38 |
| rkukura | yamamoto: I’d recommend that you look closely at whether your driver should do what it needs for a port at the point when the port is created, vs. the point when the port is bound. | 16:38 |
| Sukhdev | yamamoto: here is one thought | 16:39 |
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| Sukhdev | when your type driver is in play, it will assign the segment ID and segment type - | 16:39 |
| Sukhdev | which is available in the context when create_port() is invoked | 16:39 |
| Sukhdev | your ML2 driver can ignore the request if the segment type is of no interest to you | 16:40 |
| Sukhdev | does it make sense? | 16:40 |
| yamamoto | how about a subnet? | 16:40 |
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| rkukura | yamamoto: Can’t your driver access the segments during port_create via context.network.network_segments? | 16:41 |
| yamamoto | rkukura: sure we can. we want a way which works for subnets too, though. | 16:42 |
| rkukura | I see, we’d just need to add a network property to SubnetContext like the one on PortContext. | 16:42 |
| Sukhdev | yamamoto: there are two ways to go about it - | 16:43 |
| Sukhdev | 1) like rkukura suggested | 16:43 |
| yamamoto | rkukura: yes, it's what i meant by api change. sorry for not being clear. | 16:43 |
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| Sukhdev | 2) I think there is net-id in the subnet context, and you can cross check the network segment from the net-id, I think this should work | 16:43 |
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| Sukhdev | I think both solutions should work | 16:45 |
| yamamoto | Sukhdev: we don't have an appropriate db context to use for the query for 2) | 16:45 |
| rkukura | It seems reasonable to me to add SubnetContext.network just like the existing PortContext.network, to keep things consistent for drivers that need this. | 16:45 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: correct - this is a much cleaner way to do this | 16:46 |
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| yamamoto | ok we will try to go 1) route. thank you! | 16:47 |
| Sukhdev | yamahata: you had one too | 16:47 |
| Sukhdev | yamahata: please go ahead | 16:47 |
| rkukura | yamamoto: Thanks for bringing this up. I think you can treat SubnetContext.network being missing as a bug. | 16:48 |
| yamahata | Okay, the issue I have is synchronization between ML2 db and SDN backend | 16:48 |
| yamahata | It's related to task flow effort. | 16:48 |
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| yamahata | In my case, the controller is ODL. | 16:48 |
| yamamoto | rkukura: sure. thank you | 16:48 |
| rkukura | yamahata: Come to the late-cycle ;) | 16:48 |
| yamahata | rkukura: I'll try. The venue is near. | 16:48 |
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| yamahata | When ML2 and SDN controller is in un-sync, we need to make then synchronized. | 16:49 |
| Sukhdev | yamahata: venue is Silicon Valley - come on over here, we can use your use-case to implement the sync solution :-) | 16:49 |
| yamahata | Currently we simply push all the information into the SDN controller. | 16:49 |
| yamahata | Sukhdev: Sure. | 16:50 |
| yamamoto | we (midonet) need taskflow stuff too. | 16:50 |
| yamahata | It doesn't scale. | 16:50 |
| yamahata | https://wiki.opendaylight.org/images/8/8d/Experiences_with_Neutron.pdf | 16:50 |
| yamahata | The slide describes the observations. | 16:50 |
| yamahata | And also the call from ML2 to the controller is racy. | 16:51 |
| yamahata | There is no way to determine which is newer request. | 16:51 |
| yamahata | Maybe sequence number needs to be added to each resource. | 16:51 |
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| Sukhdev | yamahata: We had the same issue in Arista driver as well | 16:51 |
| rkukura | yamahata: I was suggesting the same thing in the task flow discussions a while back | 16:51 |
| Sukhdev | yamahata: this is what had motivated me to propose a sync solution in Atlanta summit - | 16:52 |
| Sukhdev | not many people jumped on it | 16:52 |
| yamahata | Sure. I'm not surprised. I suppose all sdn controller have similar issues. | 16:52 |
| Sukhdev | yamahata: what kind of scale are you testing this with? | 16:52 |
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| yamahata | For now very small. 1 or 2 nodes. | 16:52 |
| yamahata | But target is a much bigger. | 16:53 |
| Sukhdev | yamahata: I mean how many networks/ports? | 16:53 |
| yamahata | at least thuthounds. | 16:53 |
| yamahata | 1000 order | 16:53 |
| Sukhdev | yamahata: we have been testing with 20K + ports/networks | 16:53 |
| rkukura | I think we should start devoting some time to these discussion leading up to the late-cycle. Not sure if we should do this as part of this meeting’s agenda each week, or maybe a separate meeting. | 16:53 |
| yamahata | Oh very cool. | 16:54 |
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| Sukhdev | yamahata: If you are willing to come to late-cycle, I can pull one of our Arista expert who has been working me to test this and solving this | 16:54 |
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| Sukhdev | yamahata: we have put in some proprietary solutions on the back-end as well as in our ML2 driver to solve this | 16:55 |
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| yamahata | Sukhdev: that sounds very great. I think those synchronization can be adopted by l2 agents. | 16:55 |
| Sukhdev | yamahata: if you look at Arista ML2 driver, you will see bulk transactions - they are added to address this | 16:56 |
| yamahata | Sukhdev: I'll take a look at it. | 16:56 |
| Sukhdev | yamahata: I saw these issue long back and started addressing them - unfortunately, not many people stepped forward to address them | 16:56 |
| Sukhdev | yamahata: So, here are few things we have done: | 16:57 |
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| Sukhdev | 1) the issue becomes really bad if there are multiple neutron controllers are involved (i.e. HA) | 16:58 |
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| yamahata | ODL has been becoming to hit the same issue. | 16:58 |
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| Sukhdev | We figure out a way to prevent the controller stepping over each other - e.g. one controller is in the middle of sync and the other jumps in | 16:59 |
| Sukhdev | we also have sync lock between the sync theread and the normal CLI path to prevent two transactions (e.g. create/delete at the same time) on the same resource | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | and, finally the bulk operations | 17:00 |
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| Sukhdev | There is still lot more to be done | 17:00 |
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| Sukhdev | It is my goal to address these issue during the late-cycle sprint | 17:01 |
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| rkukura | we should wrap this meeting up | 17:01 |
| Sukhdev | sorry out of time | 17:01 |
| Sukhdev | yamahata: lets put this on agenda for next week and discuss further | 17:02 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: +1 | 17:02 |
| yamamoto | it would be nice to have such mechanisms at ml2 core or even higher level. midonet also has its own experimental implementation of async task based communication mechanism. | 17:02 |
| yamahata | Sukhdev: thank you for sharing the situation. | 17:02 |
| Sukhdev | Thanks guys | 17:02 |
| Sukhdev | bye | 17:02 |
| yamahata | It definitively helps | 17:02 |
| Sukhdev | #endmeeting | 17:02 |
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| rkukura | bye | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 5 17:02:32 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:02 |
| yamamoto | bye | 17:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-08-05-16.02.html | 17:02 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-08-05-16.02.txt | 17:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-08-05-16.02.log.html | 17:02 |
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| yamahata | bye | 17:02 |
| Kiall | #startmeeting Designate | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 5 17:02:45 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Kiall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 17:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:02 |
| Kiall | Hey folks - Who's about? | 17:02 |
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| mlavalle | hi | 17:02 |
| timsim | o? | 17:03 |
| pglass | o/ | 17:03 |
| * Kiall remebers something.. Quickly edits agenda | 17:03 | |
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| mugsie | o/ | 17:03 |
| datsun180b | o/ | 17:03 |
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| Kiall | lol - You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason: | 17:03 |
| Kiall | Oh well | 17:03 |
| timsim | hahaha | 17:04 |
| Kiall | #topic Announcements | 17:04 |
| Kiall | Figured a new start of meet item would be handy for general "announcements" | 17:04 |
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| Kiall | We've now got a non-voting py34 gate on the client, it'll change to voting ASAP. | 17:04 |
| Kiall | #topic Action Items from last week | 17:05 |
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| Kiall | 2 actions, both stable backports, all done + merged | 17:05 |
| Kiall | and into the meat :) | 17:05 |
| Kiall | #topic Bug Triage (timsim - recurring) | 17:05 |
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| timsim | Nothing new this week! | 17:05 |
| Kiall | hah, that can't be good - OK fair enough so ;) | 17:06 |
| timsim | I think people have been doing small triage during the week. | 17:06 |
| timsim | Which is great | 17:06 |
| Kiall | Yep :) Okay, moving on so! | 17:06 |
| Kiall | #topic Stable Backport Triage (kiall - recurring) | 17:06 |
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| Kiall | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/408985/ | 17:06 |
| ekarlso | o/ | 17:06 |
| Kiall | Please take a minute or two to review, and nominate anything we need to backport.. | 17:07 |
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| timsim | db6a6b6 Wildcard records | 17:07 |
| mugsie | db6a6b6 Wildcard records | 17:07 |
| Kiall | db6a6b6 Wildcard records - If it affects Kilo | 17:07 |
| Kiall | 2c7c03f Enable filter on get pools | 17:07 |
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| Kiall | Any others? | 17:08 |
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| timsim | Don't think so | 17:08 |
| mugsie | nope | 17:09 |
| Kiall | #action kiall to BP db6a6b6 + 2c7c03f | 17:09 |
| Kiall | K | 17:09 |
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| Kiall | #topic Designate/Neutron Integration Update (mlavalle) | 17:09 |
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| Kiall | mlavalle: over to you :) | 17:09 |
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| mlavalle | Kiall: i've continued sending reviews to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/20095 | 17:09 |
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| mlavalle | it is now passing the jenkins tests (except last night that I added some unit tests and broke some exu=isting ones) | 17:10 |
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| mlavalle | I got a good review from carl_baldwin . he gave me a -1 but it is mostly minor stuff | 17:10 |
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| mugsie | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/200952 | 17:11 |
| mugsie | (missing the last digit ;) ) | 17:11 |
| Kiall | Dooh, oh well. I've been generally following along with it, looks like it's *nearly* there :) | 17:11 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: A much improved -1. :) | 17:11 |
| mlavalle | so I'll fixx thiose issues and after that I expect this to merge soon | 17:11 |
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| Kiall | (FYI - I've held off reviewing, as it just only be a token +1.. No clue about Neutron's internals!) | 17:11 |
| Kiall | it would just be a * | 17:12 |
| mlavalle | so starting later this week, i'll be focued on the xternal side | 17:12 |
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| mlavalle | so that's where we are right now | 17:12 |
| Kiall | Cool, happy to see that - Do we suspect there's much more to do on the internal review before the neutron-core folks are happy? | 17:13 |
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| mlavalle | Kiall: no i think is is close to merge | 17:13 |
| mlavalle | that is why i will focus myself to the external side later this week | 17:13 |
| Kiall | Okay - Excellent! | 17:13 |
| Kiall | Thanks for update, and the relentless work fixing carl_baldwin's nitpick's :P | 17:14 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin is a very insightful reviewer | 17:14 |
| carl_baldwin | :P | 17:14 |
| Kiall | Anything else / Q's from folks etc before we move on? | 17:14 |
| mugsie | nope, just glad to see progress :D | 17:15 |
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| Kiall | Silnce == "Nope" in this meet :) | 17:15 |
| Kiall | #topic Zone Export in /v2 (timsim) | 17:15 |
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| * mlavalle going to another meeting | 17:15 | |
| mugsie | o/ | 17:15 |
| Kiall | mlavalle: enjoy :) | 17:15 |
| timsim | So some people (jmcbride) would like to see this land soon. So I just wanted to talk about a possible implementation a little bit | 17:16 |
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| timsim | Thinking about it yesterday, we came up with using the same basic method that we're doing for axfrs, and keeping it synchronous. Rather than implementing some async thing where we've got to persist big blobs of text. | 17:16 |
| Kiall | timsim: ++, I'd like to see it land soon (in L at a min) | 17:16 |
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| james_li | timsim: where do we persist it? | 17:17 |
| mugsie | so, I think that would work for the 90% | 17:17 |
| Kiall | So, if we do it sync - Don't we just fall over with large zone? I know we have zones with more records that I would have thought possible ;) | 17:17 |
| timsim | Well, we figured if it was good enough for axfrs, it was good enough for exports :P | 17:18 |
| mugsie | but, do we just have a max zone size, and if your zone is over that, we say "tough" | 17:18 |
| Kiall | james_li: it could be dropped into memcahe (assuming under 1MB) or into Swift | 17:18 |
| mugsie | timsim: axfrs are not limited by HTTP / AMQP timeouts ;) | 17:18 |
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| james_li | ic | 17:18 |
| timsim | I suppose :P but if they're taking 30/60 seconds, that's baaddd | 17:18 |
| mugsie | yup | 17:19 |
| Kiall | Yea, but there also out of the "critical path" for end user inteactions | 17:19 |
| mugsie | i suppose we just need to generate a big ass zone and see how long it takes | 17:19 |
| mugsie | we could be worried about nothing | 17:19 |
| Kiall | e.g. locking up a mDNS to serve that 5 million RRSet zone won't affect the API responsivness etc | 17:19 |
| timsim | Agreed. | 17:19 |
| timsim | I could test it out and see what it looks like. | 17:20 |
| timsim | But if that's not a possibility (doing it sync), do we have any ideas for doing it async? | 17:20 |
| timsim | Big zone files will be well over 1MB | 17:20 |
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| timsim | Swift is a possiblity | 17:20 |
| mugsie | or if you are ebay tens or hundreds of MB | 17:20 |
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| mugsie | i think swift is the best idea, with a fall back to memcached ? | 17:21 |
| mugsie | but memcached still locks the API actually serving the data | 17:21 |
| Kiall | timsim: So .. Let's say we do this.. create an export resource, during the create, it sends a message over to zone-manager to have it, in the background, pull the zone, render, and save *somewhere* | 17:21 |
| mugsie | but less than rendering | 17:21 |
| Kiall | once it's done, status moves to COMPLETE or similar, and the user is supplied with a URL to fetch from.. That could be a proxy though our API, or a swift time boxed URL etc? | 17:22 |
| mugsie | the problem is the API, and how we show it, and the location to d/l from | 17:22 |
| Kiall | thoughts? | 17:23 |
| mugsie | so, create a swift bucket with the user credentials, and upload it there? | 17:24 |
| timsim | I don't see a problem with that. | 17:24 |
| mugsie | whatever the soplution, we have to have ACLs on it | 17:24 |
| timsim | If you've got a configurable "storage" for that. | 17:24 |
| Kiall | mugsie: well, that's another option.. | 17:24 |
| timsim | I'm guessing our folks wouldn't want to have things go to swift. | 17:25 |
| Kiall | Yea, we shouldn't add a hard dep on swift | 17:25 |
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| Kiall | But, imposing some limits if swift isn't enabled (like zones over 1MB once rendered will be an expected failure | 17:26 |
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| Kiall | seems OK to me.. thoughts? | 17:26 |
| mugsie | nope. (the expoected failure) | 17:26 |
| Kiall | So - What's the alternative? | 17:26 |
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| mugsie | and I am guessing it wont fit with what jmcbride will want either ... | 17:27 |
| timsim | You ought to be able to get something bigger than 1MB through mq/http right? | 17:27 |
| mugsie | timsim: as I said at the beginning - I have no idea | 17:27 |
| mugsie | we could be fine :)( | 17:27 |
| Kiall | Well, I'm mostly interested in making sure the API interactions are "correct" and can handle stupidly large zones | 17:27 |
| mugsie | all they way up to 100's of MB | 17:27 |
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| timsim | Right, as long as that limit is configurable, I don't see an issue. | 17:28 |
| Kiall | So - If the No Swift? solution is, auto move to "COMPLETE" and do the render "live" as part of the "fetch exported zonefile" call, that works too | 17:28 |
| mugsie | but, we should test the sync load. and circle back | 17:28 |
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| Kiall | But, if the no swift solution is everything happens in 1 call, sync, then I don't like that :) | 17:28 |
| mugsie | the import was really bad, due to the multiple calls per record from API -> Central | 17:29 |
| timsim | The no swift solution would be, go and put it in something else (some other storage) and go and retrieve via the API, I think | 17:29 |
| Kiall | mugsie: Yea, we should test.. But.. 99% sure there is always going to be zones that are just too large to render sync .. | 17:29 |
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| timsim | We can action me/some racker to test that. | 17:30 |
| mugsie | some racker .... :) | 17:30 |
| Kiall | #action timsim test out rendering times for stupidly large zones | 17:30 |
| Kiall | ;) | 17:30 |
| * mugsie sees timsim wants to handout work :P | 17:30 | |
| * timsim has other things he has to do :( | 17:30 | |
| timsim | I really want to try that though. | 17:30 |
| Kiall | everyone knows that feeling! | 17:31 |
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| Kiall | Okay - Shall we table this till next week? or just whenever during the week in #openstack-dns? | 17:31 |
| timsim | Fer sure | 17:31 |
| Kiall | K | 17:31 |
| Kiall | Moving on so :) | 17:32 |
| Kiall | #topic Python 3 (kiall) | 17:32 |
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| Kiall | So - This really just a general call to make sure you know about it ;) | 17:32 |
| Kiall | pksingh has been spending piles of time getting things up-to-par to run on Python 3.. | 17:32 |
| Kiall | The client (bindings) seem good to go.. and Designate itself is "real close" .. | 17:33 |
| Kiall | If we can pay attention during reviews, trying to avoid adding py3 incompatible stuff while we wait to get a gate going, that would help :) | 17:33 |
| timsim | Nice! | 17:33 |
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| Kiall | (I know I'm guiltey of several reviews adding back problems pksingh already fixed..) | 17:33 |
| Kiall | guilty* | 17:34 |
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| Kiall | Anyway - Just a call to "keep your eyes out" and pay attention to the py3 reviews to know what sort of things to -1 (or just to not write in the first place) | 17:34 |
| Kiall | Any Q's before we move on? | 17:34 |
| timsim | Nope :) | 17:35 |
| mugsie | also, when revieing py3 code - | 17:35 |
| Kiall | (pk is based in .. ehh.. ages away, he's usually online EU morning for an hour or two, so he's not here now!) | 17:35 |
| Kiall | Japan maybe?> | 17:35 |
| mugsie | remeber that not all people seem to agree on str(e) == e.message | 17:35 |
| mugsie | (i have been bitten a few times by that) | 17:35 |
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| mugsie | (for exceptions_ | 17:36 |
| mugsie | )* | 17:36 |
| Kiall | Yea, handling of those sort of things has got much harder to do "right" :( | 17:36 |
| Kiall | Any code that relies on a exception message should be avoided if at all possible, or heavily tested! | 17:36 |
| mugsie | ++ | 17:36 |
| Kiall | Okay.. Moving on so .. | 17:37 |
| Kiall | #topic Open Discussion | 17:37 |
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| Kiall | Anyone else have anything else? | 17:37 |
| mugsie | Nope | 17:37 |
| timsim | Wanted to check in on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133676/ (jmcbride is thirsty for it) | 17:37 |
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| timsim | (V2 CLI support) | 17:37 |
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| Kiall | timsim: ah, right.. ekarlso - about? | 17:38 |
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| Kiall | Guess not! It's 7:30pm for him :) | 17:38 |
| timsim | I think he was here earlier... | 17:39 |
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| Kiall | I'll ask ekarlso to give it a refresh this week, I still wonder if it needs to land in the openstackclient repo rather than ours though :) | 17:39 |
| timsim | Sounds good. | 17:39 |
| mugsie | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142218/ - small review, that will allow logs to be improved as we go on | 17:40 |
| ekarlso | I'mn lurking.. | 17:40 |
| ekarlso | :P | 17:40 |
| ekarlso | what ? | 17:40 |
| Kiall | will see if dtroyer is about tomorrow to see if py-osc repo is the right place or not | 17:40 |
| mugsie | ekarlso: not lurking very well | 17:40 |
| mugsie | :D | 17:40 |
| ekarlso | :p | 17:40 |
| Kiall | mugsie: oh, you updated that? | 17:41 |
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| Kiall | mugsie: ++, will review tomorrow. Let's not let it die again ;) | 17:41 |
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| timsim | I have a coupe ancient reviews that are somehow not in need of rebase. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170612/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188189/ | 17:42 |
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| Kiall | wow - that is impressive that they don't need a rebase | 17:42 |
| Kiall | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142218/ | 17:43 |
| Kiall | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170612/ | 17:43 |
| Kiall | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188189/ | 17:43 |
| Kiall | so they show in the meet overview log for me tomorrow ;) | 17:43 |
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| timsim | That's all I've got :) | 17:43 |
| Kiall | Okay - Anything else before we call it a day? | 17:44 |
| mugsie | Nope | 17:44 |
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| Kiall | Okay - Thanks folks, have the remaining 15 mins off ;) | 17:44 |
| timsim | o/ | 17:44 |
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| mugsie | o/ | 17:44 |
| Kiall | #endmeeting | 17:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 5 17:44:45 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-08-05-17.02.html | 17:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-08-05-17.02.txt | 17:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-08-05-17.02.log.html | 17:44 |
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| SlickNik | #startmeeting trove | 17:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 5 17:59:37 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 17:59 |
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| SlickNik | giving folks a couple of minutes to trickle in. | 17:59 |
| cp16net | hi all | 18:00 |
| bhaskarduvvuri | hi | 18:00 |
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| sushilkm | hello everyone | 18:00 |
| atomic77 | \-=O=-/ | 18:00 |
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| edmondk | o/ | 18:00 |
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| peterstac | ~o~ | 18:00 |
| vkmc | o/ | 18:00 |
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| vgnbkr | o/ | 18:01 |
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| schang | o/ | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | meeting agenda at: | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 18:01 |
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| SlickNik | #topic Trove pulse update | 18:02 |
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| ashleighfarnham | o/ | 18:02 |
| pmalik | ☺/ | 18:02 |
| SlickNik | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-pulse-update | 18:02 |
| mvandijk_ | p/ | 18:02 |
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| SlickNik | ~140 reviews this week. | 18:03 |
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| SlickNik | fairly good standard pace. | 18:03 |
| SlickNik | We cut Liberty-2 last week, so we're now in Liberty-3. | 18:04 |
| SlickNik | Good time to step up the pace on reviews. :) | 18:04 |
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| cp16net | sounds like a plan | 18:05 |
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| cp16net | i figured out how to pull the stats last week SlickNik :-P | 18:06 |
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| SlickNik | Feature freeze will be end of this month (week of Aug 31st) so we need to land BPs for liberty by then. | 18:06 |
| SlickNik | The schedule is here: | 18:06 |
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| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Liberty_Release_Schedule | 18:06 |
| SlickNik | cp16net: awesome. :) | 18:06 |
| cp16net | yeah we have quite a few in progress | 18:06 |
| vkmc | first week of September, w00t! | 18:07 |
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| SlickNik | Yup, I'm going to start using the "starred changes" to prioritize reviews for BPs that we should land in Liberty. | 18:08 |
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| SlickNik | So keep an eye out on the custom dashboard at: http://ghostcloud.net/openstack_gerrit_dashboards/dashboard_trove.html | 18:08 |
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| SlickNik | vkmc: yeah, time flies. It's August already! | 18:09 |
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| vkmc | yeah >.< | 18:09 |
| cp16net | sounds good | 18:09 |
| cp16net | i sorta wish i could see your stars separate from my own in the dashboard | 18:10 |
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| SlickNik | Yeah, unfortunately you have to do a diff. | 18:10 |
| cp16net | would others want that? | 18:10 |
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| SlickNik | Can add a different section to the custom dash if folks prefer that. | 18:12 |
| SlickNik | Any other questions regarding reviews, liberty schedule, etc? | 18:13 |
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| cp16net | yeah thats what i was thinking | 18:13 |
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| cp16net | not from me | 18:13 |
| SlickNik | Okay, let's move on. | 18:13 |
| vkmc | do we have a priority list for l3? from the specs currently in the review queue | 18:13 |
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| SlickNik | vkmc: Not yet — I'm planning to put one together on an etherpad, and we can work off of that. | 18:15 |
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| vkmc | sounds good | 18:15 |
| cp16net | what about off the prio in launchpad? | 18:15 |
| sushilkm | we have 11 open specs | 18:15 |
| SlickNik | I'm seeing 18 here: https://launchpad.net/trove/+milestone/liberty-3 | 18:16 |
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| cp16net | yeah thats what i see as well | 18:16 |
| cp16net | maybe some specs are approved and 11 are not | 18:16 |
| sushilkm | oops infact 10 i checked open reviews on trove-specs | 18:17 |
| cp16net | yeah we need to get through those | 18:17 |
| SlickNik | cp16net: The launchpad priorities only have high, med, low. I was thinking something more like a list from high to low, so you can just walk down it (say for reviews). | 18:17 |
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| cp16net | SlickNik: ok i gotcha | 18:17 |
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| pmackinn | SlickNik, can https://blueprints.launchpad.net/trove/+spec/mysql-manager-refactor go into L3? | 18:19 |
| SlickNik | #action SlickNik come up with a prioritized list of BPs (and corresponding reviews) that need to be merged for liberty. | 18:19 |
| SlickNik | pmackinn: yes! I'm surprised that it's not already in (probably an oversight). | 18:19 |
| SlickNik | updated | 18:20 |
| pmackinn | SlickNik, awesome | 18:20 |
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| SlickNik | Anything else? | 18:20 |
| SlickNik | . | 18:21 |
| SlickNik | Okay, let's move on. | 18:21 |
| SlickNik | #topic Datastore registration spec open questions | 18:21 |
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| SlickNik | #link https://review.openstack.org/188072 | 18:21 |
| SlickNik | sushilkm: all yours — go for it. | 18:21 |
| sushilkm | yes ... we discussed this topic last week, but since both SlickNik and _amrith_ were not present, there was not reached a conclusion | 18:22 |
| sushilkm | which is why i brought it forward to have a conclusion and get it moving ahead | 18:22 |
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| sushilkm | so like it was discussed last week, question is | 18:23 |
| sushilkm | Should the api be simple CRUD operations on each object? (i.e. CRUD on datastores and versions separate) or make the API simplified where we really only care about the version when we update the image on an existing version or create a new version | 18:23 |
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| SlickNik | I'm fine with the unified simple API — i.e. the way the spec is written. | 18:24 |
| SlickNik | Had a couple of minor comments, but it looks like you fixed that last night. | 18:24 |
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| vkmc | I'm up for the unified simple API as well | 18:24 |
| sushilkm | yep the minor comment about response code is fixed, now it remains to answer of this question only | 18:24 |
| * cp16net refreshes myself on whats there now | 18:25 | |
| sushilkm | so looks like i have 2 +2s .... | 18:25 |
| * sushilkm waiting for others to pour in the thoughts | 18:25 | |
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| SlickNik | sushilkm: Since amrith had some concerns were you able to follow up with him to address / alleviate some of that? | 18:27 |
| cp16net | one minor thing i just looked at... | 18:27 |
| cp16net | payload "packages": "mysql" | 18:27 |
| sushilkm | nopes i was not able to get in touch with amrith since morning | 18:27 |
| cp16net | should we make that a list? "packages": ["mysql"] | 18:27 |
| cp16net | ? | 18:27 |
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| cp16net | or just a comma list "packages": "mysql, common-mysql" | 18:28 |
| cp16net | blah blah blah | 18:28 |
| vkmc | is it currently a list? | 18:28 |
| cp16net | nope | 18:28 |
| sushilkm | i did not get that, do you mean that we can support multiple packages | 18:28 |
| bhaskarduvvuri | yes | 18:28 |
| sushilkm | this parameter is currently a text, and not a list | 18:28 |
| cp16net | yeah but its a comma string in the db | 18:28 |
| bhaskarduvvuri | that would be great | 18:29 |
| vkmc | I don't think it makes sense now | 18:29 |
| vkmc | maybe in a follow up patch | 18:29 |
| vkmc | cos its not trivial | 18:29 |
| cp16net | yeah but its part of the payload of the api | 18:29 |
| bhaskarduvvuri | vkmc: user might want to install mysql, xtrabackup, blah, blah | 18:29 |
| cp16net | we should avoid changing that | 18:29 |
| cp16net | bhaskarduvvuri: yup | 18:30 |
| pmackinn | dumb question...what is packages for if the image has been built with a DB package? what is it specifying? | 18:30 |
| SlickNik | cp16net / vkmc: Maybe clean up the API payload but keep the backend implementation the same. | 18:30 |
| vkmc | SlickNik, agree | 18:30 |
| cp16net | pmackinn: if you use a base image across | 18:30 |
| cp16net | and need extra packages installed | 18:30 |
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| SlickNik | pmackinn: There is support in the trove guest to actually install these packages in case your image doesn't already have them baked in. | 18:31 |
| cp16net | but i know not all deployments have access to install components | 18:31 |
| cp16net | so this doesnt work in all cases but per deployment | 18:31 |
| SlickNik | pmackinn: If your guest image already has the necessary packages, it's a no-op. | 18:31 |
| pmackinn | but no API for repo location | 18:31 |
| pmackinn | SlickNik, not sop sure about that :-) | 18:32 |
| pmackinn | so sure | 18:32 |
| cp16net | SlickNik: yeah if the api payloads are specified that with a list i think thats is fine | 18:32 |
| cp16net | i dont care how the backend does it | 18:32 |
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| SlickNik | pmackinn: Yeah, the API repo location would need to be configured out of band (in the image). | 18:32 |
| cp16net | yep | 18:33 |
| SlickNik | pmackinn: FWIW No one I know actually uses this feature — almost everyone deploying trove bakes all the dependencies into the guest image. | 18:33 |
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| sushilkm | so, is the deal to get packages in the form of list or a simple text | 18:34 |
| cp16net | added a comment on the packages | 18:35 |
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| cp16net | true | 18:35 |
| bhaskarduvvuri | SlickNik: But i believe it is a useful feature | 18:35 |
| sushilkm | ok, cool | 18:35 |
| SlickNik | bhaskarduvvuri: Yes — not arguing that. :) | 18:35 |
| sushilkm | i wud make ammends | 18:35 |
| sushilkm | any more suggestions from anyone are welcome | 18:35 |
| cp16net | yeah even our tests now bake everything in | 18:35 |
| vkmc | would it make sense to make it optional? | 18:36 |
| cp16net | vkmc: i think it should be. | 18:36 |
| vkmc | considering most users use prebaked images | 18:36 |
| SlickNik | vkmc: I believe it is optional (should be, but need to double check). | 18:36 |
| cp16net | it doesnt need a value in the db | 18:36 |
| SlickNik | Oh, maybe you mean optional in the API? | 18:36 |
| SlickNik | Yes, that's a good idea. | 18:37 |
| cp16net | our test inactive_version has no packages | 18:37 |
| vkmc | yup | 18:37 |
| vkmc | cool | 18:37 |
| SlickNik | It's optional in the db/backend. | 18:37 |
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| sushilkm | +1 | 18:37 |
| SlickNik | Agreed that it should be optional in the API as well. | 18:37 |
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| vkmc | +1 | 18:38 |
| bhaskarduvvuri | I agree | 18:38 |
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| vkmc | consensus \o/ | 18:39 |
| SlickNik | sushilkm: Got enough info for a path forward here? | 18:39 |
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| sushilkm | yep sure | 18:39 |
| SlickNik | If so, let's move on. | 18:39 |
| SlickNik | #topic Open Discussion | 18:39 |
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| pmackinn | SlickNik, requesting a security session at the mid-cycle please | 18:40 |
| SlickNik | Anyone have anything for Open Discussion? | 18:40 |
| SlickNik | pmackinn: roger that — I think we have an open slot. | 18:41 |
| pmackinn | SlickNik, ty | 18:41 |
| SlickNik | I think it will be useful. | 18:41 |
| vkmc | I was working on creating a MariaDB basic driver based on the MySQL refactor atomic77 did | 18:41 |
| vkmc | do you guys think it makes sense to submit an spec for l-3 and make it happen? | 18:41 |
| cp16net | ahh speaking midcycle discussions i brought up something last week as well. | 18:42 |
| SlickNik | #action SlickNik update mid-cycle agenda with a session on Trove Security. | 18:42 |
| cp16net | where is the midcycle schedule link? | 18:42 |
| SlickNik | vkmc: Depending on how big the set of changes needed are, I think it might still be very doable for l-3. | 18:42 |
| SlickNik | cp16net: linked off of https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints | 18:43 |
| vkmc | I can submit the patches and see if we can make it on time | 18:43 |
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| atomic77 | vkmc, did you run into any problems? | 18:43 |
| pmackinn | SlickNik, we'd need the mysql refactor to go in | 18:43 |
| vkmc | atomic77, nope, it works like a charm :) | 18:43 |
| SlickNik | vkmc: I think mariadb support is super valuable. | 18:43 |
| pmackinn | atomic77, \o/ | 18:44 |
| cp16net | (cp16net) We show talk about how to make some magic for setting strategies on versions and not just datastores. I.e. mysql 5.5 strategies might not all work for 5.6 or the next version of mysql. Redis could be similar between 2.8 and 3.0. | 18:44 |
| atomic77 | cool, because everything was supposed to work "in theory" but practice is a whole other thing :) | 18:44 |
| cp16net | i added that last week | 18:44 |
| vkmc | SlickNik, I think so too... more because its the default for distros different than Ubuntu | 18:44 |
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| SlickNik | vkmc ++ | 18:44 |
| vkmc | maybe we won't be able to add support to GTID based replication (Maria implements it differently than MySQL) | 18:44 |
| SlickNik | pmackinn: It's on my priority list for l3, so definitely hoping to get it in. | 18:45 |
| vkmc | but at least our users will be able to launch mariadb instances | 18:45 |
| SlickNik | vkmc: I'd suggest adding support for MariaDB instances and creation in L and then working on replication for it in M. | 18:45 |
| SlickNik | vkmc: from what i know GTID in MariaDB is _quite_ different. | 18:45 |
| vkmc | SlickNik ++ | 18:45 |
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| vkmc | yeah, totally different | 18:46 |
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| pmackinn | SlickNik, orthogonally, i'm getting closer on Fedora+redstack and it'd be great to have the mariadb support | 18:46 |
| cp16net | nice | 18:47 |
| SlickNik | pmackinn: That's super cool! I think I need a demo once you have that up and going :) | 18:47 |
| * cp16net excited! | 18:47 | |
| vkmc | :D | 18:47 |
| sushilkm | that sounds awesome pmackinn | 18:48 |
| SlickNik | On a somewhat different note — I notice a new face (alias?) in here. | 18:48 |
| SlickNik | bhaskarduvvuri: hi! welcome. | 18:49 |
| vkmc | yeah, me too | 18:49 |
| vkmc | bhaskarduvvuri, o/ | 18:49 |
| pmackinn | bhaskarduvvuri, o/ | 18:49 |
| bhaskarduvvuri | Hi Guys | 18:49 |
| sushilkm | bhaskarduvvuri: welcome | 18:49 |
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| cp16net | welcome | 18:50 |
| bhaskarduvvuri | thank you sushilkm, cp16net, vkmc, pmackinn, SlickNik | 18:50 |
| SlickNik | Alright, any other questions / items for open discussion? | 18:51 |
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| pmackinn | any one looked at http://www.aerospike.com/ ? | 18:52 |
| pmackinn | thought i might have a go as an experimental | 18:52 |
| SlickNik | Huh no — my first time seeing it — looks interesting. | 18:52 |
| pmackinn | stumbled on them at oscon 2 weeks ago | 18:53 |
| sushilkm | those stats mentioned on homepage luks stunning | 18:53 |
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| vkmc | looks very good | 18:54 |
| cp16net | kewl | 18:54 |
| pmackinn | packages by them but none in our distros afaict | 18:54 |
| pmackinn | i'll kick the tires | 18:55 |
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| SlickNik | pmackinn: Sounds good. Let us know how it goes! | 18:55 |
| cp16net | SlickNik: if we have room i think we should talk at the midcycle about how to support versions | 18:55 |
| pmackinn | yep | 18:55 |
| cp16net | with different strategies | 18:55 |
| SlickNik | cp16net: yes, I agree. | 18:56 |
| sushilkm | +1 | 18:56 |
| SlickNik | We have an issue today, where strategies are associated with the datastore name (not version) and there are plenty of valid scenarios when you'd want to use a different strategy for a different version. | 18:57 |
| pmackinn | +1 | 18:57 |
| vkmc | tricky indeed | 18:57 |
| sushilkm | yeah, the case is valid and needs to be give a thought | 18:58 |
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| SlickNik | #action SlickNik update the mid-cycle agenda with discussion around strategies per datastore version. | 18:58 |
| sushilkm | sounds like a BP for M release :) | 18:58 |
| SlickNik | sushilkm: Yeah, seems like we need to rethink the design here a little bit. | 18:58 |
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| SlickNik | Okay, anything else before we call it a meeting? | 18:59 |
| pmackinn | any update on sql server bp or did we scare them off? | 18:59 |
| SlickNik | pmackinn: I didn't hear back :( | 18:59 |
| bhaskarduvvuri | do we have any plans on implementing oracle db | 18:59 |
| cp16net | SlickNik: fixing the gate? | 19:00 |
| cp16net | :-P | 19:00 |
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| SlickNik | cp16net / bhaskarduvvuri: Let's take the discussion to #openstack-trove. | 19:00 |
| vkmc | huh, oracle db will require some licensing discussion | 19:00 |
| SlickNik | We're at the top of the hour. | 19:00 |
| bhaskarduvvuri | sure | 19:00 |
| SlickNik | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 5 19:00:47 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| vkmc | thanks all! | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-08-05-17.59.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-08-05-17.59.txt | 19:00 |
| cp16net | thanks | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-08-05-17.59.log.html | 19:00 |
| SlickNik | thanks all! | 19:00 |
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| pmackinn | bye! | 19:01 |
| sushilkm | thank u all | 19:01 |
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| crc32 | /? | 19:58 |
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| xgerman | #startmeeting Octavia | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 5 20:00:06 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xgerman. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:00 |
| sbalukoff | Howdy folks! | 20:00 |
| xgerman | #chair blogan | 20:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: blogan xgerman | 20:00 |
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| blogan | hi | 20:00 |
| minwang2 | hi | 20:00 |
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| xgerman | #topic Announcements | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:00 | |
| ajmiller | hello | 20:00 |
| xgerman | hi | 20:00 |
| johnsom | o/ | 20:00 |
| madhu_ak | hi | 20:00 |
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| sbalukoff | Brief announcement: I'm on vacation from tomorrow through Tuesday. So if someone wants to take a stab at Octavia L7 functionality before I get back, I won't be offended. Otherwise, I'll tackle this when I get back. | 20:01 |
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| xgerman | have a great trip :-) | 20:01 |
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| sbalukoff | Thanks! | 20:01 |
| xgerman | GSLB is now called Kosmos | 20:02 |
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| sbalukoff | Y'all aren't worried about trademark issues? | 20:02 |
| xgerman | johnsom/dougwig anything else from GSLB? | 20:02 |
| bana_k | hi | 20:02 |
| xgerman | I think we are :-) | 20:02 |
| johnsom | The initial API spec is out for review | 20:03 |
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| sbalukoff | Hah! Ok. Well... In my brief searching there were a whole bunch of computer-related projects called "cosmos" | 20:03 |
| johnsom | Soon to get put in the repo | 20:03 |
| xgerman | Kosmos... | 20:03 |
| sbalukoff | https://www.kosmoscentral.com/kosmos-esync | 20:03 |
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| xgerman | mmh | 20:04 |
| johnsom | #link https://github.com/gslb/gslb-specs/pull/1/files | 20:04 |
| sbalukoff | http://www.kosmos.co.uk/ | 20:04 |
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| sbalukoff | johnsom: Thanks! | 20:04 |
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| blogan | kosmos kramer | 20:05 |
| sbalukoff | Haha | 20:05 |
| rm_work | o/ lost my proxy for a sec, but i'm here | 20:05 |
| sbalukoff | Welcome, Adam! | 20:05 |
| dougwig | oh man, not another naming mess. | 20:06 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: Muahahaha! | 20:06 |
| fnaval | hi | 20:06 |
| xgerman | well, it’s the GSLB folks... | 20:06 |
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| ajmiller | Should just name projects with the git hash of the first commit.... | 20:06 |
| johnsom | +1 for git hash | 20:06 |
| dougwig | ajmiller: +1 | 20:06 |
| sbalukoff | FWIW, I can't find anything software related called "Lichtenberg" and Lichtenberg figures are cool. ;) | 20:07 |
| xgerman | :-) | 20:07 |
| sbalukoff | And yes-- It's totally not up to me. And I'm sure y'all are thankful for that. XD | 20:07 |
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| xgerman | moving on #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206757/ | 20:07 |
| xgerman | this is the first commit in the fancy new LBaaS V2 Horizon panel repo | 20:08 |
| sbalukoff | Nice! | 20:08 |
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| xgerman | I think dougwig wanted us to review | 20:08 |
| dougwig | i'll have that updated today. | 20:08 |
| xgerman | cool | 20:09 |
| xgerman | #topic Brief progress reports | 20:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Brief progress reports (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:09 | |
| sbalukoff | Eeexcellent. | 20:09 |
| sbalukoff | This could use some love: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206258/ | 20:09 |
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| xgerman | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206258/ | 20:10 |
| sbalukoff | Also, progress on updating design and component docs, but nothing to share just yet. :P | 20:10 |
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| xgerman | yeah, you have been busy. I guess IBM is a good influence :-) | 20:10 |
| sbalukoff | This has been updated: | 20:10 |
| sbalukoff | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/LBaaS/l7 | 20:10 |
| johnsom | I have the vip plug update for the REST driver out: | 20:10 |
| johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/208793/ | 20:10 |
| dougwig | progress on neutron driver - i caught a bunch of fish, and had two brown bears pop out right close to us during. coding-wise, the river was not conducive to much. | 20:11 |
| sbalukoff | And unless I hear strong objections, I'm going to delete this from the repo, and move it into a wiki page (where it's more easily updated, and more easily found by people getting started with the project): | 20:11 |
| johnsom | dougwig Nice! | 20:11 |
| sbalukoff | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/208763/ | 20:11 |
| xgerman | dougwig +1 | 20:11 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: Awesome! | 20:11 |
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| johnsom | Just commented on 208763 | 20:12 |
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| blogan | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209210/ | 20:12 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom: Yep! I saw. Thanks, eh! | 20:12 |
| sbalukoff | Still going to delete it from the repo unless people really want it to stay there. XD | 20:12 |
| blogan | ^ does some code consolidation to keep code from being duplicated in other neutron based network drivers | 20:13 |
| xgerman | I am doing some work on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/208640/ | 20:13 |
| xgerman | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/208640/ | 20:13 |
| dougwig | sbalukoff: can we abandon the 2.0 spec that is *ancient* ? | 20:13 |
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| xgerman | +1 | 20:13 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: Aaw, man! | 20:13 |
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| madhu_ak | progress on scenario tests: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207196/, yet need some attention. do we need two servers or one server with different ports for checking the loadbalancing? | 20:13 |
| sbalukoff | Give me a chance to update it first? | 20:13 |
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| dougwig | sbalukoff: sure. it's just my oldest patch on my dashbaord, and would've been auto-abandoned in neutron LONG ago. :) | 20:14 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: Yeah, I now. | 20:14 |
| sbalukoff | know. | 20:14 |
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| sbalukoff | Note that it won't get updated this week, as again, I'm on vacation. | 20:14 |
| xgerman | so we should start auto abandoning ? | 20:14 |
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| sbalukoff | But... I think this is useful for me attempting to recruit more IBM talent to the project. | 20:14 |
| johnsom | Brandon and I took a pass over the 1.0 spec, but didn't get to the 2.0 spec | 20:15 |
| minwang2 | the following 2 pathces need some love as well :#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207674/11 | 20:15 |
| minwang2 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160061/ | 20:15 |
| xgerman | it not being so old… so we look more desperate? | 20:15 |
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| sbalukoff | HAha! | 20:15 |
| blogan | dougwig: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197772/ | 20:16 |
| dougwig | i'd be in favor of auto-abandon (i think neutron is 2 months with no activity, plus a -1 somewhere.) | 20:16 |
| sbalukoff | No, it's mostly about knowing what we actually are trying to build. | 20:16 |
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| blogan | ^ you and mestery, please? | 20:16 |
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| dougwig | blogan: ok | 20:16 |
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| xgerman | yeah, now as we are part of the Neutron stadium I was expecting mystery to manage all our auto-abandoning :-) | 20:17 |
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| blogan | pothole, ajmiller: look at that one too, but dougwig and mestery should definitely approve of it before being merged | 20:17 |
| sbalukoff | Heh! | 20:17 |
| blogan | xgerman: that's a mestery mystery | 20:17 |
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| mestery | lol | 20:17 |
| dougwig | xgerman: i can add it to his script list, that'd be easy. | 20:17 |
| xgerman | yeah, let’s do that | 20:17 |
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| dougwig | or he can, since he's lurking. :) | 20:18 |
| xgerman | :-) | 20:18 |
| dougwig | he likes juicing his stats with it. | 20:18 |
| blogan | is mestery a script himself? | 20:18 |
| sbalukoff | If y'all want to auto-abandon, I'm OK with that. I'd just like to have a chance to get those two docs updated first... partially because I think it would be funny for a patchset over a year old to actually get merged. | 20:18 |
| dougwig | jk | 20:18 |
| xgerman | mystery probably is half the time a bot | 20:18 |
| dougwig | sbalukoff: you can always hit 'restore'. they don't vanish. :) | 20:18 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:18 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: I almost would rather they did vanish. | 20:18 |
| sbalukoff | ;) | 20:18 |
| mestery | rofl | 20:19 |
| mestery | blogan: A might fine looking script indeed | 20:19 |
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| xgerman | #topic Octavia reference implementation in Liberty | 20:20 |
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| xgerman | let’s review our list | 20:20 |
| xgerman | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-neutron-octavia | 20:20 |
| dougwig | before we start, i just want to point out that we have to make a decision on go/no-go on this no later than the end of august. | 20:20 |
| blogan | mestery: like the da vinci virus in the movie hackers | 20:20 |
| dougwig | i get the feeling that if we had to decide *today*, it'd be a no-go for Liberty. | 20:21 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: I agree. | 20:21 |
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| TrevorV | I'm going to be working on the octavia driver in neutron lbaas over the next two weeks guys, so... | 20:21 |
| blogan | well right now its not all complete | 20:21 |
| * TrevorV is late, sorry about that | 20:21 | |
| blogan | I am not so certain on L7 getting into Octavia, still hurdles on that even getting in neutron-lbaas | 20:22 |
| sbalukoff | TrevorV: See, now we know you're late. If you'd been silent, we all would have assumed you were being wisely contemplative. | 20:22 |
| TrevorV | Oooh ouch | 20:22 |
| dougwig | sbalukoff: it's TrevorV, would we really? | 20:22 |
| sbalukoff | HAHA | 20:22 |
| xgerman | lol | 20:22 |
| xgerman | so being optimistic... | 20:22 |
| blogan | so everything in the list except L7 should get done by 8/31 | 20:22 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: Agreed. I think the turn around time between Evgeny uploading a patch and me reacting to that and updating the reference driver might kill us on our ability to get L7 into Liberty. | 20:23 |
| blogan | IMO | 20:23 |
| sbalukoff | Since it seems to take about a week for this cycle. | 20:23 |
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| blogan | sbalukoff: what piece is taking the longest? | 20:23 |
| dougwig | even if we had horizon and octavia, that'd be good progress for liberty. if none of it lands, then M will have a large feature set addition indeed. | 20:23 |
| sbalukoff | I also think Octavia as a reference driver is way more important than L7 | 20:24 |
| dougwig | sbalukoff: agree | 20:24 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:24 |
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| sbalukoff | blogan: Just waiting on the new patchset after I make recommendations. Also, as I write the reference driver I'm discovering things that should really go into Evgeny's patch, which makes things take longer. | 20:24 |
| xgerman | yeah, also especially for L7 we might have more time | 20:24 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: okay, so do you think you could go faster if you could push up your own patchsets? or is there a lot of domain knowledge evgeny has? | 20:25 |
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| xgerman | the Liberty release is 10/15 — so for L7 I wouldn’t pull the trigger 8/31 | 20:25 |
| blogan | yeah but thats reserved for special cases, the time between Liberty-3 and the actual release, no? | 20:26 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: Honestly, I'm not sure I could go much faster. It's not a domain knowledge thing, per se-- it's the fact that I haven't done much with Neutron LBaaS code specifically, and it's kinda spaghetti. So, I spend more time figuring out *where* I need to make a change rather than knowing what the change I need to make is. | 20:26 |
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| dougwig | sbalukoff: can you do a dependent patch, and just make those additions directly? | 20:26 |
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| sbalukoff | dougwig: that's sort of what I have been doing. | 20:27 |
| dougwig | 8/31 is feature freeze. | 20:27 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: I'll keep at it in any case. | 20:27 |
| blogan | dougwig: that could complicate it even ore | 20:27 |
| dougwig | ok | 20:27 |
| xgerman | dougwig: I think L7 in particular might be worthy of a brief extension | 20:28 |
| xgerman | but let’s cross that bridge in a month :-) | 20:28 |
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| sbalukoff | I'll do my best on this front. If someone thinks they can do it faster (especially with me going on vacation) they should be feel free to go for it. I won't be offended. | 20:28 |
| dougwig | xgerman: if it's tight and contained and close, sure. i think octavia is too big to slip in as an extension. | 20:28 |
| sbalukoff | Having said this, I think we should plan on Octavia as a reference driver without L7 in Neutron LBaaS is what we should be shooting for by end of month. | 20:29 |
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| dougwig | i agree with that goal. | 20:29 |
| xgerman | dougwig agreed - I was talking L7 only | 20:29 |
| xgerman | sbalukoff +1 | 20:29 |
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| sbalukoff | I'd rather be pleasantly surprised if we get L7 in... rather than disappointed that we didn't get Octavia in. | 20:30 |
| xgerman | yep, same here | 20:30 |
| johnsom | +1 | 20:31 |
| xgerman | moved L7 below the line in the etherpad | 20:31 |
| sbalukoff | So! With that in mind, would y'all rather I work on something more likely to get Octavia in? | 20:31 |
| sbalukoff | I guess I could just claim something... | 20:31 |
| blogan | lets just scrap octavia and keep namespace driver | 20:31 |
| sbalukoff | When I get back from vacation. | 20:31 |
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| xgerman | blogan heresy | 20:31 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: there is the octavia driver that still needs some love | 20:32 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: Ok! | 20:32 |
| blogan | unless dougwig has grand plans for it | 20:32 |
| xgerman | well, didn’t I hear TrevorV volunteer for that | 20:32 |
| sbalukoff | I shall prepare my whips and chains when I get back next week. | 20:32 |
| xgerman | earlier? | 20:32 |
| blogan | he did but he's still on the failover flow thing | 20:32 |
| dougwig | blogan: i think we need to commit the first version of it so other can iterate in parallel. | 20:32 |
| sbalukoff | Go for it, TrevorV! | 20:32 |
| TrevorV | Yeah, thanks. | 20:32 |
| blogan | whomever has cycles now should be able to pick that stuff up, unless TrevorV thinks he get on it soon | 20:33 |
| TrevorV | I think the failover bit is down now, but it needs a little more love in testing | 20:33 |
| TrevorV | But, I'll know after blogan sits with me for a minute shortly | 20:33 |
| blogan | dougwig: yeah we can do that i suppose | 20:33 |
| TrevorV | sbalukoff, if you have the cycles now, I'd say jump on the driver | 20:33 |
| xgerman | I am hoping one of the HP people have some cycles, too | 20:34 |
| sbalukoff | TrevorV: I won't have cycles until next Wednesday or Thusday at the earliest. | 20:34 |
| xgerman | but you know: internal stuff... | 20:34 |
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| blogan | sbalukoff: oh well TrevorV will beat you to it then | 20:34 |
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| blogan | sbalukoff: you're deemed unnecessary now | 20:34 |
| bana_k | I too can work on that | 20:34 |
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| xgerman | cool!! | 20:34 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: Oh, so nothing's changed then? | 20:34 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: lol | 20:35 |
| sbalukoff | bana_K: Yay! | 20:35 |
| crc32 | Speaking of which. I'm able to get stats from the stats socket but I need a way to test it in the amp side. IE "how do I get the amphora to deploy with my current octavia code I'm working on"? Also I'd like a more concrete description of how to determin if listeners are up or down.l | 20:35 |
| xgerman | #action bana_k, TrevorV work on octavia driver | 20:35 |
| blogan | who was pegged for the documentation piece? | 20:35 |
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| xgerman | nobody — since we felt we could do that after 8/31 | 20:36 |
| sbalukoff | crc32: Um.... locally? Look at the output of 'nestat -lptn'? | 20:36 |
| blogan | xgerman: ah okay | 20:36 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: he's talking abotu the image that is built for the amphora to be built with, how to get his code in that | 20:36 |
| sbalukoff | Oh! | 20:36 |
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| xgerman | oh, scp? | 20:36 |
| xgerman | or you can just rebuild the image | 20:37 |
| blogan | xgerman: it should be built with the image through disk-imagecreate, i think its just the plugin pulling down octavia's master isntead of using his local code | 20:37 |
| blogan | not sure though | 20:37 |
| blogan | bigger question is what determines a listener being down? stats socket not responding? | 20:37 |
| blogan | bc if it responds, that listener is really up right? | 20:37 |
| johnsom | You could edit the element and have it build an image with our ref in it | 20:38 |
| blogan | responds with the appropriately strucutred payload | 20:38 |
| xgerman | yep, that’s my undertsanding | 20:38 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: Are we doing separate stats sockets per listener? I thought we had multiple listeners per haproxy process. | 20:38 |
| crc32 | sbalukoff: Yes I'm quering a UNIX socket file but so far I've been testing by uploading my latest octavia code up the amphora via SSH but thats not ideal since I'm sure a bunch of PIPed packages are out of sync. I need the diskimage create to build with my local /opt/stack/octavia code when building the image. | 20:38 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: each listener is a haproxy process | 20:38 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: so stats sock for each | 20:38 |
| crc32 | sbalukoff yes each listener has its own sock file. | 20:38 |
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| johnsom | But easiest is probably tar/scp or rsync over ssh | 20:39 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: Oh! Shit, really? Ok then that's different than the haproxy ref driver I've been working on. Yay! | 20:39 |
| xgerman | sbalukoff you voted for that and now you do a 360 | 20:39 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: yes entirely, you were the proponent of this in the beginning! | 20:39 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: No, I really want it to work that way. | 20:39 |
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| xgerman | actually only having ONE harpy process might be easier for ACTIVE-PASSIVW | 20:39 |
| dougwig | TrevorV, bana_k: let's pow-wow briefly post-meeting so we don't step on each other | 20:39 |
| sbalukoff | I thought I had been overridden in the intervening months when I looked at the neutron lbaas ref impl. | 20:39 |
| johnsom | sbalukoff Have you come to your senses and we can ditch the 1 process per listener!????? | 20:39 |
| blogan | harpy should change their name to haproxy | 20:39 |
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| xgerman | lol | 20:40 |
| TrevorV | Sure thing dougshelley66 | 20:40 |
| bana_k | gougwig sure thing | 20:40 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom: I'm more amenable to the idea of multiple listeners per haproxy. | 20:40 |
| TrevorV | dougwig, *** | 20:40 |
| crc32 | johnsom: yea thats what I'm doing now but I test with python3 and I don't know if the images packages are uptoday with my code. I tried to flat out copy a virtualenv over as well since pip won't work in the amphora and that doesn't work either. L( | 20:40 |
| blogan | that would be a lot of code changes right now to switch to that | 20:40 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom: But I still think I prefer them separate. I'm having trouble recalling the technical reasons for having them separate at this point. It's been like a year since we had this discussion. | 20:40 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: Then let's not switch to that. | 20:41 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: there's a wiki article | 20:41 |
| sbalukoff | Oh! | 20:41 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: Aah! Thank you. | 20:41 |
| sbalukoff | I shall revisit that decision. | 20:41 |
| crc32 | sorry I mean if I run python3 it has no idea where the octavia module is. So the environment is only working for python2 I guess. | 20:41 |
| sbalukoff | And hopefully be less disruptful with my hair-brained ideas here. | 20:41 |
| johnsom | crc32 once you have it over, just do a python setup.py install. If setup.cfg chances make sure you remove the old egg directory so it picks up the right one | 20:41 |
| xgerman | crc32 the amphora isn’t connected to the Interwebs so no pip | 20:41 |
| blogan | xgerman: what makes it more difficult to do multiple haproxy processes with active standby? | 20:41 |
| xgerman | well, you are going to set them up as peers | 20:42 |
| blogan | ahh | 20:42 |
| johnsom | sbalukoff The problem I have argued is the failover is at the IP level, so it's pretty much all or none anyway. | 20:42 |
| xgerman | and it’s easier two peer two haproxy than N | 20:42 |
| crc32 | xgerman: exactly. Pip won't work. virtualenv won't work. Is there no script I can run to build the new image based on /opt/stack/octavia on my host machine? | 20:42 |
| johnsom | Plus monitoring n-processes gets ugly for failover | 20:43 |
| xgerman | crc32 I run ./diskimge_build or so | 20:43 |
| xgerman | but you will need your code somewhere in git | 20:43 |
| johnsom | crc32 you would have to change the agent element to pick up yours instead of pulling down head | 20:43 |
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| crc32 | johnsom: yea how would I do that? | 20:44 |
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| sbalukoff | I don't think we should be revisiting that decision (multiple haproxy vs. 1 haproxy) right now, given the end of month deadline for other priorities. | 20:44 |
| sbalukoff | Might be worth revisiting after that, though. | 20:44 |
| blogan | xgerman: hmm, i see the problem i think. peering is not somethign we need for 8/31 right? | 20:44 |
| johnsom | crc32 Change this file: octavia/elements/amphora-agent/source-repository-amphora-agent | 20:44 |
| xgerman | vi elements/amphora-agent/source-repository-amphora-agent | 20:45 |
| xgerman | blogan: correct | 20:45 |
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| blogan | so we could just go forward with what we have and then move to single process if it is determined that peering overcomplicates it | 20:45 |
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| xgerman | agreed | 20:45 |
| xgerman | yeah, what I said was just informational | 20:45 |
| blogan | okay revisit after then, like sbalukoff suggested | 20:46 |
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| xgerman | and abdelwas might still figure out how to do it with N | 20:46 |
| blogan | xgerman: its good to know, bunch of little tings we didn't think about at the beginning of all of this | 20:46 |
| xgerman | yep | 20:46 |
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| sbalukoff | xgerman: I have a couple ideas on that front. | 20:46 |
| xgerman | #topic Open Discussion | 20:47 |
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| xgerman | sbalukoff I am listening :-) | 20:47 |
| sbalukoff | Haha! Been in this topic for a while yet. | 20:47 |
| crc32 | cool so this should work? "amphora-agent git /opt/amphora-agent https://review.openstack.org/openstack/octavia refs/changes/82/201882/20" | 20:47 |
| xgerman | crc32 ++ | 20:47 |
| xgerman | yes | 20:47 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: Could you first explain to me what you mean by peering? Are you talking about haproxy processes on multiple machines communicating some control protocol together? | 20:47 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: sharing state data so that session persistence is maintained on failover | 20:48 |
| sbalukoff | Or are we talking something lower level, like at the keepalived level? | 20:48 |
| crc32 | xgerman: in /etc/octavia/octavia what does this option do? Do I need to change it? --> amp_image_id = 9c38127d-e904-4a2d-a665-e8e55943dedb | 20:48 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: Ok, right. | 20:48 |
| xgerman | blogan +1 | 20:48 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: one example of it, shares more than just that but thats the easy one to explain for my feable brain | 20:49 |
| johnsom | crc32 diskimage-builder/elements/source-repositories/README.rst describes the file format. They support a tar source. | 20:49 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, so my idea I had doesn't apply so much. XD Will have to chew on this a bit more. | 20:49 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: I wasn't aware haproxy had that capability already. | 20:49 |
| xgerman | yeah, it’s amazing that way :-) | 20:50 |
| johnsom | crc32 amp_image_id is the amphora os image loaded into glance to boot the amphora with | 20:50 |
| xgerman | also I would remove the qcow2 file prior to building a new image. I run out of disk space quickly | 20:50 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: apparently haproxy has all the capabilities, except udp load balancing | 20:50 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: Ok, when we revisit this discussion after the end of the month, I'll try to get specific knowledge of the haproxy capabilities on this front as context then. | 20:51 |
| xgerman | yep | 20:51 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: Yeah, well... yeah. | 20:51 |
| sbalukoff | Because UDP load balancing is stupid. | 20:51 |
| sbalukoff | ;) | 20:51 |
| xgerman | nah, we just had somebody ask two days ago | 20:51 |
| dougwig | sbalukoff: hey now | 20:51 |
| sbalukoff | We should totally do that UDP load balancing session at the bar in Tokyo. | 20:51 |
| johnsom | sbalukoff Also think about the shared fate all of the processes have around that IP. If would process dies, all have to fail over. | 20:51 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: Just because someone asks for it, doesn't mean we should actually give it to them. | 20:52 |
| xgerman | brogan said we should write our own UDP load balancer in python | 20:52 |
| xgerman | blogan | 20:52 |
| blogan | we should | 20:52 |
| dougwig | udp is an underrated protocol, because crappy hacks don't know how to use it. | 20:52 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom: Oh, I know. | 20:52 |
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| dougwig | :) | 20:53 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: Hence the reason we shouldn't be to hasty to give those crappy hacks a tool to shoot themselves in the foot. | 20:53 |
| xgerman | dougwig I was expecting you to suggest ruby... | 20:53 |
| xgerman | but oh well :-) | 20:53 |
| sbalukoff | :) | 20:53 |
| johnsom | UDP is making a come back. SPUD research proto and all | 20:53 |
| dougwig | hey, i can write the open-source ref in whatever language i want. | 20:53 |
| sbalukoff | HAHA | 20:53 |
| xgerman | #action dougwig write UDP LB in ruby | 20:54 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, folks... um... anything else or move to adjourn? | 20:54 |
| madhu_ak | when writing scenario tests, in order to check for loadbalancing requests, can someone recommend to setup two servers and setup webservers on it? or single server with different ports? | 20:54 |
| xgerman | I think tempest can start vms? | 20:54 |
| madhu_ak | yeah | 20:54 |
| xgerman | and then you an use the ajmiller script | 20:54 |
| crc32 | so did we decide on what criteria from a stats socket determines if the listener is up or down? | 20:54 |
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| xgerman | we decided if the stats socket answers and spits out well formed stats we consider it alive | 20:55 |
| sbalukoff | crc32: Seems like a good solution for today's design. | 20:55 |
| johnsom | crc32 The status field doesn't meet the need? | 20:56 |
| crc32 | ok so thats an alive dead description at the listener level. | 20:56 |
| sbalukoff | Yes. | 20:56 |
| xgerman | Yeah, just make sure we can reuse it to trigger the failover for active-passive the same way | 20:57 |
| xgerman | would head to mark something as bad and not fail-over and vice versa | 20:57 |
| xgerman | head=hate | 20:57 |
| xgerman | anything else? | 20:58 |
| sbalukoff | Thanks, folks! | 20:58 |
| xgerman | #endmeeting | 20:58 |
| crc32 | I keep seeing cruft like I'll look again. I don't recall seeing a field as simp[le as status | 20:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 5 20:58:30 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-08-05-20.00.html | 20:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-08-05-20.00.txt | 20:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-08-05-20.00.log.html | 20:58 |
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| crc32 | oh well. I guess I'll just let min decide. | 21:24 |
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