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-openstackstatus- NOTICE: Gerrit is currently under very high load and may be unresponsive. infra are looking into the issue.07:06
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bauwser#startmeeting nova_scheduler14:01
openstackMeeting started Mon Aug 17 14:01:32 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is bauwser. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:01
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*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)"14:01
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler'14:01
bauwsersorry folks, a bit late14:01
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bauwseranyone here to talk about the scheduler?14:02
PaulMurrayo/14:02
edleafeo/14:02
bauwser#chair bauzas14:03
openstackWarning: Nick not in channel: bauzas14:03
openstackCurrent chairs: bauwser bauzas14:03
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lxslio/14:03
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jaypipeshola14:03
bauzasohayo gaimazu folks14:03
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bauzasso, n0ano was unable to be here14:04
bauzaslet's statr14:04
lxslibtw I have to go in 30mins14:04
bauzas#topic status updates14:04
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edleafelxsli: should be a quick meeting14:04
bauzas#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-priorities-tracking14:04
bauzasanything to report ?14:04
lxslialaski's persist-request-spec is up, which is cool14:05
lxsliwe're working on longest patch chain ever14:05
bauzasthe ReqSpec object chain is updated, I need to verify the CI14:05
lxsliI have an initial patch up but it needs a lot of work yet14:05
bauzaslxsli: yeah, we need to be very careful with git14:05
edleafeI pushed a new version of the NoValidHosts logging change: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192184/14:06
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jaypipesI could use everyone's reviews on my PCI cleanup patch series (it's a precursor for resource objects): https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:pci-cleanup,n,z14:06
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edleafeIt was a change suggested by johnthetubaguy - would like some feedback on the approach14:06
bauzasedleafe: sure14:06
bauzasedleafe: CC'ing myself14:06
edleafejaypipes: added to my TODO list14:07
jaypipescheers14:07
bauzasjaypipes: as well14:07
jaypipesedleafe: I will review the NoValidHosts shortly.14:07
edleafekewl14:07
lxsliedleafe: is there other work to log (in the scheduler log) the errors encountered when a retry happens?14:08
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edleafelxsli: not that I'm aware of14:08
edleafelxsli: I thought all retry failures were already logged14:08
lxsliedleafe: you get the classic "NoValidHost" because all hosts become ignored14:08
bauzaslxsli: well, there is a thing14:08
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lxsliedleafe: then you have to check the compute logs of each machine it tried14:09
edleafelxsli: not any more14:09
bauzaslxsli: mostly unimplemented yet14:09
edleafelxsli: you get MaxRetriesExceeded exception14:09
bauzaslxsli: that says, NoValidHosts for retries is silly14:09
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bauzasedleafe: oh that is merged?14:09
johnthetubaguyI thought we were adding a new exception for the retry case?14:09
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lxsliedleafe: OK, that's better but getting the exceptions from compute hosts would be better14:09
johnthetubaguythats the one14:09
lxslieven better14:09
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bauzasmeh14:10
lxslianyway straying out of topic14:10
bauzas2 weeks in the weeds left me with a big backlog14:10
edleafelxsli: wait - are you saying that when a build fails, there is no logging? Or that you want additional reporting?14:10
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lxsliI'm not sure the instance error table is working as it should14:11
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bauzaslxsli: the instance actions table ?14:11
lxslialso it'd be nice to get the compute error which caused the retry copied into the scheduler log14:11
lxslithat could be it?14:11
edleafelxsli: here's the new exception: https://review.openstack.org/19420414:11
bauzasedleafe: is that implemented ?14:12
edleafebauzas: yes - merged a few weeks ago14:12
bauzasedleafe: okay14:12
bauzasgood14:12
bauzasmoving on ?14:12
bauzaslet's clarify that specific compute error problem off-topic14:12
bauzason the bp side, I'm working on allocation-ratios-to-rt14:13
bauzasnothing yet uploaded14:13
bauzasso we can move on14:13
lxslioh that's merged14:13
lxslioh well ^^14:13
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jaypipesbauzas: you are already pretty overloaded, IMHO. Any chance someone from Mirantis' Nova team can assist you on the allocation-ratios bp?14:14
jaypipesbauzas: Timofei I know has some bandwidth he can help you with.14:14
bauzasjaypipes: I've done a few things already, we could maybe take that decision at the end of the week if you wish :)14:15
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bauzasjaypipes: I really want to upload something, so timofei could look at14:15
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bauzasok, moving on ?14:17
bauzas#topic opens14:17
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bauzas#undo14:17
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bauzas#topic open discussion14:17
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bauzascrickets ?14:18
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jaypipesbauzas: sure, that's fine :) just let us know14:18
bauzasjaypipes: I appreciate the offer :)14:18
* jaypipes suggests we use the remainder of the meeting time to do reviews.14:19
bauzascoolness14:19
* edleafe seconds the motion14:19
* jaypipes seconds that emotion14:19
bauzas2 weeks before FF ?14:19
bauzasjust for verifying dates14:19
* edleafe wants to hear jaypipes' falsetto14:19
bauzas#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Liberty_Release_Schedule#Spec_and_Blueprint_Approval_Freeze14:19
bauzasokay, let's call the wrap then14:20
bauzas#endmeeting14:20
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dims#startmeeting oslo16:00
dimscourtesy ping for GheRivero, amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dougwig, e0ne, flaper87, garyk, harlowja, haypo,16:00
dimscourtesy ping for ihrachyshka, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz, lifeless, lintan, ozamiatin, redrobot, rpodolyaka,16:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Aug 17 16:00:53 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dims. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
dimscourtesy ping for sergmelikyan, sreshetnyak, sileht, sreshetnyak, stevemar, therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'oslo'16:00
bknudsonhi16:01
rpodolyaka1o/16:01
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toabctlhi16:01
zzzeek\o16:01
jecareyo/16:01
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flaper87o/ (kinda)16:01
* flaper87 will get better at meetings16:01
dims#topic actions from last week16:02
dims#action Dims still has a TODO to organize a virtual doc sprint16:02
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dimsi am way behind on that :)16:02
dimsat least i am back from vacation and catching up on things16:02
dims#topic Red flags for/from liaisons16:02
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bknudsonNo red flags for keystone that I know of16:03
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jungleboyjNo red flags from Cinder that I am aware of.16:03
dimsany other liaisons around? thanks bknudson and jungleboyj16:03
dims#topic Releases16:04
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dimsi have not yet made the list of releases for this week. planning to do this afternoon16:04
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dimsAny other hot stuff from anyone? looks like we have to decide on oslo.windows spec16:05
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dims#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209193/16:05
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dimsthoughts anyone? i am inclined to agree with dhellmann's notes16:06
johnsomMe too16:07
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dimsflaper87: agree?16:07
flaper87dims: yup16:08
flaper87that sounds like a better plan to me16:08
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dimscool. thanks16:08
flaper87and to be fair, it helps keeping focus for the oslo team16:08
dimsright16:08
jungleboyjYeah, that makes sense.16:09
dimscool16:09
dims#topic New libraries and drivers - how is it going?16:09
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kgiustiHey - back from vacation - proton 0.10 has been released!16:09
dimsanyone working on service, cache, reports etc here?16:09
dimskgiusti: nice! so we should see green soon in our CI job?16:10
kgiustidims: I've got to port pyngus first, then we should get the WIP patches I've got updated and merged.16:10
kgiustidims: the good news is that I'm the only blocker from here out :D16:11
dimskgiusti: sounds good16:11
dims:)16:11
* dhellmann is on a flight with bad wifi16:11
dimshey dhellmann16:11
dimsno worries16:11
dimsAny stuck reviews? or specs?16:11
bknudsonI don't know what's left for oslo.cache ... needs other projects to use it and show that it's ok.16:11
dhellmannI can talk to them about starting up a project team and shepherd them through the process16:12
bknudsonkeystone and nova need to use it.16:12
dimsbknudson: i remember seeing a WIP for nova, and i had raised some questions, will dig it up later and share16:12
bknudsonalso, I think keystonemiddleware is supposed to be a user.16:12
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dimsok16:13
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dims#topic Open discussion16:14
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bknudsonI'm working on a change to use oslo.context in keystone -- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213595/16:14
bknudsonso that the request ID gets logged.16:14
bknudsonfor serviceability16:14
dims++16:15
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dimsregarding the oslo.messaging issue with neutron - the switch from RuntimeError to warning has merged - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213542/16:16
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dhellmanndims: thanks for picking that up16:16
dimsyw dhellmann16:17
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dimsplease do look at reviews - http://bit.ly/oslo-reviews16:17
dimsthere's a handful with one +2 and needs another16:18
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ihrachyshkadims, speaking of that oslo.messaging vs. neutron issue mentioned on the -dev list. is it under control from oslo.messaging team side?16:20
ihrachyshkaor is neutron involvement needed? (I may be out of touch since I haven16:20
* dhellmann will try to do some reviews if the wifi holds up on this flight16:20
ihrachyshka't looked at it with due care)16:20
dimsihrachyshka: so, we adjusted oslo.messaging to log warning, but we need a lot of help on neutron side16:21
ihrachyshkadims, ok, specific bug to track? or is it in the email?16:21
dimsespecially how api_workers = 0 affects the way the threading stuff16:21
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dimsihrachyshka: i'll open a bug after this16:22
dimsmeeting16:22
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ihrachyshkathanks. get me to subscribers at least.16:22
dimsack will do16:22
dhellmannihrachyshka: we need to decide what to do about logging errors better in the neutron code16:23
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dimsk if there's nothing else to chat...let's wrap up.16:25
dimsthanks everyone16:25
dims#endmeeting16:25
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jungleboyjTHanks!16:25
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catherineD#startmeeting refstack19:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Aug 17 19:00:22 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is catherineD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:00
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catherineD#link meeting agenda and notes, please feel free to add items https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-15-08-1719:00
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catherineDRoll call19:01
davidlenwello/19:01
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catherineD#topic Relocate RefStack Project19:02
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catherineDAs of Aug 3.. Refstack was approved  to be moved to openstack-infra .. (we have not move the repos yet ..)19:03
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catherineDlast week Chris inform me that Foundation staff general consensus is that Rfstack should be a big tent project19:03
davidlenwellthat was part of why I voted on moving into openstack .. but was out voted19:04
catherineDso I put https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205777/  on hold ....19:04
catherineDyea we will have to move again ...19:04
pvaneckwe never really moved though19:05
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pvaneckdid you submit a governance patch?19:05
catherineDpvaneck: I have a patch ready .. just need to push it up ...19:05
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catherineDbefore I do that I would like to discuss about Refstack official name ...19:05
davidlenwellI was supposed to do that .. but I failed to not get distracted by the day job19:05
catherineDdavidlenwell: np19:06
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catherineD#link  Refstack is adopted as the official tools for DefCore  http://superuser.openstack.org/articles/openstack-continues-to-strengthen-its-commitment-to-interoperability19:07
catherineDin that link hogepodge: refer Refstack as RefStack ....19:08
catherineDI also see many blog, paper, presentation from other people use the RefStack  name ....19:09
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pvaneckwas the capitalization originally meant to mirror the 'OpenStack' capitalization?19:10
catherineD#link our wiki is also using RefStack https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/RefStack19:10
catherineDpvaneck: I am not sure ...19:10
pvaneckseems so, and it makes sense19:10
catherineDso before I send the next governance patch (I have it ready) ... I would like us to settle our name ..19:11
catherineDI propose to use RefStack as our name .... what does everyone think?19:11
davidlenwellI've always been a fan of keeping it all lowercase19:12
catherineDdavidlenwell: I know ...19:12
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davidlenwellbut I won't object..as long as we keep it consistant19:12
catherineDyes that is my problem now ...19:13
davidlenwellI am going to loose signal in a second.. I'll catch up with you later catherineD19:13
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Rockygo/19:13
catherineDdavidlenwell: thx will do I know your vote on the f2f dates19:13
davidlenwellthanks!19:13
catherineDRockyg: Hi ..19:13
* Rockyg waves19:14
pvanecki prefer the uppercase, and am okay with 'RefStack'19:14
catherineDRockyg: We try to decide on a consistant name for Refstack ... I propose "RefStack"  we are about to vote ..19:14
sslypushenko__+1 for RefStack19:14
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Rockygk.  I'm pretty neutral19:15
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pvanecklet's just go with RefStack to staty consistent with OpenStack capitilization19:16
pvaneckstay*19:16
catherineD@infor Use "RefStack" as our project name: Yes (pvaneck: sslypushenko__: catherineD: ), neutral (Rockyg: ), davidlenwell: prefer lowercase but don't objective19:16
RockygEither way works.  Harder to type RefStack, but not much19:17
catherineD#agreed RefStack as project name19:17
catherineDthank you everyone19:17
pvaneckCatherine, you want to do all the updates? :D19:18
catherineDI will send a governance patch to move RefStack to openstack today ..19:18
catherineDpvaneck: yes I will19:18
pvaneckwiki, documentation, and website header need updating,19:18
pvaneckand also the about section of refstack.net19:18
catherineDpvaneck: yea19:19
catherineD#topic Face-2-face meeting19:19
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catherineD#info from last week meeting: Tentative date&time: 9/2 or 9/3 from 10:00 AM - 2:00 PM PDT (17:00 UTC - 21:00 UTC)19:19
pvaneckstill fine by me19:21
catherineDI just disucss with davidlenwell: ... he thinks we need 2 days .. planning and work session ...19:21
catherineDform last week we try to plan on topic ahead .. and then one day for work session ...19:21
catherineDthe topics are in the agenda ...19:22
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Rockygworks for me. Especially if Boris turns up, we'll need more time.19:22
catherineDRockyg: will you be able to join the f2f meeting  on 9/2 and 9/3?19:22
Rockygyes19:23
sslypushenko__+119:23
catherineDsslypushenko__: 1 or 2 days?19:23
sslypushenko__both19:24
catherineD2 days?19:24
pvaneckwhichever19:25
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catherineD#agreed RefStack face-2-face will be 9/2 and 9/3 from 10:00 AM - 2:00 PM PDT (17:00 UTC - 21:00 UTC)19:26
sslypushenko__2 day will be ok19:26
catherineDI will create a f2f agenda now that we have decided to have a f2f meeting ...19:26
catherineD#topic infra hosting19:27
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catherineDpvaneck:  do you have a chance to look at the puppet module for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198869/19:28
catherineDdo we need to ask krotscheck: to help?19:28
pvaneckyea a little bit,19:29
* krotscheck perks up?19:29
pvaneckand yea19:29
pvaneckkrotscheck: cant seem to get the gate to patch and it seems to have to do with puppet-python19:30
catherineDkrotscheck  please help us with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198869/19:30
pvaneckerror message here: http://logs.openstack.org/69/198869/6/check/gate-infra-puppet-apply-bare-trusty/6185973/puppetapplytest28.final.out19:30
catherineDfrom fungi: last comment.. it is realate to refstack puppet module ..19:31
krotscheckpvaneck: Will take a quick look.19:32
catherineDkrotscheck: thx19:32
catherineDalrighit let's move on ...19:33
catherineD#topic OpenStackID integration19:33
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catherineDsslypushenko__: thx for all the updates ...19:33
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sslypushenko__You are welcome)19:34
sslypushenko__It still needs some JS tests and docs19:34
catherineDsslypushenko__:  question on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207807/  ... why is CPID removed on the latest pathes?  For data uploaded with signed user, we plan to display CPID19:35
sslypushenko__But it would be a following work19:35
pvanecksure I can help with that19:35
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sslypushenko__hmm...19:35
pvaneckperhaps we can override default_allowed_keys in the case of where cpid is needed?19:35
sslypushenko__We discussed this issue with hogepodge, he also think that displaying cpid is not good idea19:36
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sslypushenko__but I can bring it back19:37
catherineDsslypushenko__: it is not a good idea for public display .. but for signed display that would help ...19:37
catherineDI envision that a user may upload data for multiple clouds ...19:37
RockygcatherineD, +119:37
sslypushenko__hm... Okay19:37
sslypushenko__Np, I will update patch19:37
catherineDsslypushenko__: thx ... that is the only reason why that patch is not merged ...19:38
sslypushenko__Ok, I think I can doing right now....19:38
catherineDRockyg: with sslypushenko__: latest patches ... we can now send that with signed user.... a very important feature ... for now user can decide to expose the data to public and even delete the data ...19:39
Rockygkewl19:39
catherineDsslypushenko__: thank you very much ... great works!19:40
Rockyghogepodge will love that.19:40
RockygAnd the corporate certification folks, too.19:40
catherineDRockyg: yea next we will need to associate user to vendor ... and that is an important topic for the f2f ...19:40
RockygMuch more reassuring with that that the results are real19:41
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catherineDyes ... because vendor can now control and make decision on their data ...19:41
catherineDof course we still support anonymous upload ...19:41
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catherineDsslypushenko__: pleae review pvaneck: 's https://review.openstack.org/#/c/212295/  ... since the signed user feature can only work with API and UI hosted on one domain ... we need to merge the new README19:43
catherineDRockyg: on the f2f we will also discuss about EC2 testing ...19:43
sslypushenko__catherineD I think anonymous upload is not really great idea19:44
sslypushenko__We need to protect our API from trash uploading somehow19:44
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RockygI think we need to keep anonymous upload data separate from "official" data.  So a compare and contrast capability with some of the visualization tools19:45
sslypushenko__Right now it is to easy upload for example 1000 fake test results19:45
catherineDsslypushenko__: I know it really encourage irresponsible upload ... but to not intimidate people and encourage user to provide us with more data19:46
pvaneckperhaps a filter for only showing signed results on the community results page19:46
sslypushenko__people can upload signed data and stay anonymous19:46
Rockyghow about not anonymous, but data doesn't have sdubmitter info attached to it on display of it.19:47
catherineDI agree with sslypushenko__: it is very dangerous ...19:47
catherineDRockyg: that exist with the new patches that sslypushenko__: submitted19:47
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catherineDI think we will turn anonymous upload off in the near future ... but we will keep anonymous public result dispaly19:48
RockygThat should be how "anonymous" works.  You can't submit anonymously, but your submissions are all part of aggregate data  That provides the anonymity for the user.  No one know who submitted the data except for the foundation.19:48
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sslypushenko__I think that we should restrict submitting unsigned resutls, after clear howto upload result with signature are readt19:48
pvaneckso every test result will then have an associated openstackid?19:50
catherineDsslypushenko__: Let's discuss how to announce this change in the next meeting with hogepodge: presents19:50
sslypushenko__catherineD We can continue allow users to upload signed result anonymously19:50
Rockygpvaneck,  yes.19:51
catherineDsslypushenko__: but I think it can cause irrepomsible upload and the data could be bias ..19:51
sslypushenko__pvaneck Every result is associated with pubkey19:51
catherineDThat fear had been in my mind ...19:51
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catherineDsslypushenko__: what if user delete the public key?19:52
sslypushenko__catherineD nothing happend) Users pubkey is hardly connected with signature pubkey19:53
sslypushenko__*is not19:53
catherineD#info Add to next week agenda: Turn off anonymous upload, keep anomymous display on public results19:53
sslypushenko__Such result became unowned19:54
sslypushenko__Right now unowned results aren't displayed anyone19:55
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catherineDsslypushenko__: wow we do not want to have unowned results which is useless to  us ...19:55
catherineDlet's discuss this next week ...19:55
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pvaneckjust need to tie it to openstackid if available19:56
catherineDpvaneck: people may move ...19:56
catherineDdata should really tie to vendor ..19:57
sslypushenko__catherineD Maybe I cann't attend this meeting next time. I will traveling19:57
catherineDsslypushenko__: ok thx for letting me know19:57
pvaneckalso, regarding the refstack-client patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/200589/19:57
pvanecki left some comments19:57
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pvaneckone being that -i for sign should be a required arg since there is no default19:58
pvaneckanother regarding the logger level19:58
pvanecki think the default logger level for the client should be info19:58
sslypushenko__agreed19:59
pvaneckwas not a fan of silent by default19:59
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pvaneckleaves several users confused19:59
pvaneckso i propose to add a patch to change default level to INFO19:59
sslypushenko__but what about required -i flag?19:59
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pvanecksince there is no default for -i, we need it required20:00
catherineDpvaneck: +1 let's do it20:00
pvaneckout of time20:00
catherineDwe need to end the meeting20:00
catherineDtalk more on #refstack20:00
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catherineD#endmeeting20:00
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sslypushenko__Do we really ready to require signature for all upcoming results ?20:01
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redrobot#startmeeting barbican20:01
openstackMeeting started Mon Aug 17 20:01:18 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:01
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elmikoheyo/20:01
chellygel( ՞ਊ ՞)☞20:01
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hockeynuto/20:01
apmeltono/20:01
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elmikovery nice chellygel20:02
pkazmiro/20:02
kfarro/20:02
dave-mccowan\o/20:02
chellygelelmiko, perhaps is hould put that on my resume, no? japanese emoticon usage.20:02
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elmikochellygel++20:02
elmikoyou have demonstrated a clear proficiency for it ;)20:02
iguethso/20:03
redrobot#topic Action Items from last meeting20:03
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rm_worko/20:03
redrobot... and I'm just going to kick the can down the road on these20:03
elmikohehe, fair20:03
redrobotI am actively looking at the stable/kilo gate failures though20:03
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redrobot#action redrobot to finish prioritizing liberty-2 bugs, and also check them for kilo status20:03
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redrobot#action redrobot to fix the stable/kilo gate failures during mid-cycle (in-progress)20:04
redrobot#action redrobot and alee to backport the DogTag gate fixes into stable/kilo after redrobot fixes the gate20:04
redrobotalso20:04
woodster_o/20:04
redrobot#action redrobot to submit a patch for a new python-barbicanclient release20:04
redrobotclient releases are done via Gerrit now20:04
redrobotkfarr I'll add you to the review... I know you're waiting on that release20:05
kfarrThanks redrobot!  I'm curious to see what the process is, I couldn't find much online20:05
redrobotkfarr there was a message in the dev ML about it... don't have the link handy right now, but I can get it to you after the meeting.20:05
redrobotok, moving on to the agenda for today20:06
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redrobotwhich can be found here:20:06
redrobot#link redrobot and alee to backport the DogTag gate fixes into stable/kilo after redrobot fixes the gate20:06
redrobotderp20:06
redrobot#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican20:06
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redrobot#topic Adding certificate manager namespace to Castellan20:06
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rm_workabandoned20:07
rm_worktopic over20:07
rm_workthanks for playing :P20:07
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rm_work(shortest Castellan discussion ever to take place)20:07
elmikorm_work: did this just end up not making sense, or too much resistance, or?20:07
woodster_This rivaled content-types for bike shed supremacy!20:07
redrobot#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156623/20:07
rm_workelmiko: redrobot found the gaping flaw i missed20:08
elmikoredrobot, rm_work, ack thanks /me reads20:08
rm_workI'll just say I was too distracted by the random invalid arguments everyone was throwing at me :P20:08
elmikohaha, nice20:08
rm_workbut yeah, essentially it's impossible to expose any HSM without ... Barbican or a barbican-clone20:09
rm_workbecause by definition, "a service to expose a HSM" would ... BE a barbican clone20:09
elmikoright, makes sense20:09
rm_workand if the issue is that people can't use barbican...20:09
rm_workwe're toast20:09
rm_workyep20:09
rm_workdonezo20:09
rm_workfinished20:09
elmikothanks for indulging my curiosity =)20:10
rm_workheh20:10
redrobot#agreed cert manager is out of scope for Castellan20:10
rm_workredrobot: you pretty much killed CertManager *everywhere*20:10
rm_workI'll probably go rip it out of LBaaS now >_>20:11
redrobotyeah...  the alternative is to use Barbican directly20:11
rm_workyep20:11
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rm_workor Castellan and take individual refs, like rellerreller was saying20:11
rm_workwhich is shittier from a user perspective but it'd be the only way to be generic enough to support other use-cases20:11
rm_workand even then, the same problem exists, which is that a user can't get data into any other service easily20:12
rm_workwhich makes me wonder about Castellan in general -- i guess it's ONLY useful for M2M stuff20:12
redrobotm2m?20:12
rm_workanything involving an end-user and castellan is sunk20:12
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rm_workMachine to Machine20:13
redrobotah... yeah... or tiny clouds where users are allowed to use the key manager device20:13
rellerrellerWhy can't end user use Castellan?20:13
rm_workrellerreller: because no one in their right mind exposes an HSM directly20:13
* peter-hamilton settles in20:13
rm_workrellerreller: remember I tend to think in the "public cloud" mindset20:13
rellerrellerWhat about bring your own key use cases?20:13
rm_workrellerreller: how do I store my key using Castellan unless I have credentials for the HSM?20:14
rm_workand what cloud provider is going to give users direct credentials for an HSM20:14
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rm_workthat's the point of Barbican <_<20:14
rellerrellerIf you own the HSM then you would have credentials for it.20:14
rm_workso end-users, in order to use your cloud, would have to own and operate their own HSM20:15
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redrobotrellerreller yeah.... a small cloud deployment where users have credentials for the HSM would still work.20:15
rellerrellerI can store keys with my credentials and let Neutron or whatever have read access to certain keys.20:15
rm_workand they'd have to open up THEIR HSM to your cloud services20:15
rm_workyeah that's not a reasonable use-case for public cloud at scale20:15
rm_workI don't think20:15
rellerrellerYes, that is the bring your own key model.20:15
rellerrellersilos or someone else brought this up.20:16
rm_worki don't think any major cloud provider would ever do that20:16
rm_workcould be wrong i guess? but not a use-case we're planning for20:16
redrobotyeah... it's interesting that Castellan gives you a non-barbican choice, but there's definitely caveats that come with non-barbican solutions.20:16
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rm_workand we're way off topic20:17
redrobotyup20:17
redrobotmoving on20:17
redrobotthanks for playing rm_work ... your name will always be remembered in Castellan discussions ;)20:18
redrobotsilos around?20:18
silos1\o/20:18
redrobot#topic Federated Barbican20:18
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silos1I created a wiki for fed barbican20:19
silos1https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Barbican/Discussion-Federated-Barbican20:19
silos1The picture is so wrong. I need to change it ASAP.20:19
redrobot#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Barbican/Discussion-Federated-Barbican20:19
redrobotsilos1 nice!20:19
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rellerrellerhttp://googlecloudplatform.blogspot.com/2015/07/Bring-Your-Own-Encryption-Keys-to-Google-Cloud-Platform.html20:19
redrobotI'll ping Joe Savak on our end to pitch into that...  will definitely come in handy if our federation talk gets picked up.20:20
silos1thanks.20:20
silos1I was hoping we could schedule a meeting sometime to talk and get his help with this.20:20
redrobotsilos1 I have a meeting with Joe on Sept 2 to talk about Federation.  I should have more info after that.20:21
silos1redrobot: awesome!20:21
pkazmir(Yeah, Joe's on vacay this week)20:21
pkazmir(slacker)20:21
silos1haha20:21
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silos1anyone is free to comment on the wiki. The more the better.20:22
silos1That's pretty much it for me. Just wanted to put the wiki out there.20:23
redrobotsilos1 ok sounds good20:23
redrobotmoving on20:23
redrobot#topic Defect/issue template20:23
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woodster_silos1: API call examples would be nice to add to that wiki20:23
redrobothockeynut did you add this topic?20:23
* silos1 writes down to add API calls20:24
hockeynutredrobot yessir20:24
redrobothockeynut go ahead!20:24
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hockeynutwould like to get more detail, and useful info into our launchpad issues.  Suggesting this template as a way to get there: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-bug-report-template20:25
redrobot#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-bug-report-template20:25
hockeynutif there are other datum that folks would like to see added then certainly lets add it.20:25
pkazmir+1 looks great20:26
pkazmirLike how you were clear on priority and severity.20:26
hockeynutthis helps in the immediate time if the fixer <> the reporter and also helps us memorialize information about a bug so it makes sense when "future us" looks at it20:26
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hockeynutpkazmir I unabashadly stole^H^H^H^H^H borrowed it20:27
redrobotnot sure that we want to track status outside of the launchpad provided ones...20:27
woodster_I think reporter is handled by LP automatically.20:27
pkazmirheh20:27
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redrobotI do agree we need to get better at triaging bugs20:28
woodster_redrobot: +1  So 'Importance' could map to your severity20:28
hockeynutdont want to duplicate info, so certainly those don't need to be in the defect BODY.  But they do need to be considered when writing up a bug.20:28
redroboteg, the OpenStack way is to move bugs from New->Confirmed->Triaged and encouraging people to pick up Triaged bugs.20:28
hockeynutis triaging a formal activity?20:28
redrobothockeynut it should be...20:29
redrobotbut historacally we've been really bad at it20:29
dave-mccowanis the barbican policy for changing bug state that the PTL does that, any core, or any interested party?20:29
woodster_FWIW: https://github.com/cloudkeep/barbican/wiki/Testing-Process20:29
woodster_...see the 'workflow for defects' section20:30
elmikohockeynut: sahara team has been triaging all day, so i'd say yes =)20:30
jvrbanacwoodster_, uh oh. not the old wiki20:30
jvrbanac;)20:30
redrobotdave-mccowan permissions are granted in launchpad specific fields...  I would say anyone who is not the reporter should be able to move bugs to "Confirmed"20:30
woodster_jvrbanac: it's still alive!!!!20:30
redrobotlaunchpad specific groups even...20:30
redrobotnot sure how the permissions actually break down though...20:31
woodster_jvrbanac: Barbican's genesis is that wiki20:31
hockeynutsounds like we need to add some more rigor beyond just some standardized text in the bug body20:31
* redrobot didn't know we had a cloudkeep page for that20:31
woodster_hockeynut: that's for sure. Is there sphinx info on that already?20:31
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hockeynutredrobot I'd be more than happy to take a look at the process, docs, etc and give some recommendations20:32
redrobothockeynut sounds good to me!20:32
redrobot#action hockeynut to review bug tracking policies and give feedback20:32
redrobotok, moving on to the next topic20:33
redrobot#topic super-user rule in policy.json20:33
*** openstack changes topic to "super-user rule in policy.json (Meeting topic: barbican)"20:33
redrobotdave-mccowan go ahead20:34
dave-mccowanworking on the quotas blueprint, the need for a new permissions level became apparent.20:34
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redrobot#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213570/20:34
dave-mccowannow we have 3 roles: admin, creator, observer, audit... each role is scope to it's own project20:34
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dave-mccowanto set a quotas, you really want a cloud-admin (or service-admin, or super-admin) not just a project-admin to change those.20:35
dave-mccowanin the review  linked above, i proposed one way to do this with the default policy file (no code change to barbican)20:35
pkazmirThat makes sense, I would call it a service-admin.20:35
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redrobotdave-mccowan yep...  I do believe this is the first cloud-admin type of operation20:35
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redrobotpkazmir +1 service-admin20:35
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dave-mccowanis there anyone here who is wise in the ways of oslo policy that can point us to the "right" way to do this?20:36
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hockeynutand do other projects have a similiar concept?20:36
redrobotdave-mccowan as far as DevStack is concerned... you'll want to add a new user, and then grant the "admin" role on the "service" tenant20:36
redrobotthe oslo.policy piece would have to check that the admin role is present AND that the tenant the toke is scoped to is the "service" tenant.20:37
arunkantdave-mccowan: I think you just need to assign that role to a pre-defined admin 'project' e.g. 'service' project.20:37
dave-mccowani found this in an example keystone V3 policy file:  "cloud_admin": "rule:admin_required and domain_id:admin_domain_id",20:37
dave-mccowani don't see a standard (oslo) way to get the service tenant id into barbican20:37
woodster_yeah, I noticed that arunkant pointed out that this role should be associated to a special project to quality as a valid cloud admin user20:37
woodster_arunkant: yep!20:38
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arunkantdave-mccowan: And keystone middleware provides header for project name..so it can be checked in policy20:39
redrobotdave-mccowan http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/barbican/tree/bin/keystone_data.sh#n64 should do it20:39
elmikoa general observation about barbican policy files, we should probably prefix all these policies with "key-management:"20:39
elmikoto allow for aggregated policy files20:39
redrobotelmiko s/key-management/key-manager/ and I agree20:39
elmikoyea, key-manager, whatevet the official service type is20:39
woodster_dave-mccowan: so managing domains would be required if using that rule it seems...does keystone v2 support domains though?20:39
redrobotdave-mccowan service tenant ID would likely be a config option20:40
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redrobotwoodster_ correct, v2 keystone does not have a concept of domain.  All entities created via v2 api belong to the "default" domain in v3.  This is how keystone is able to run v2 and v3 in parallel.20:41
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arunkantwoodster_, so far I have seen service policy configuration tend to avoid domain information. Uses project boundary to enforce rules.20:41
elmikodave-mccowan: might be worth pinging ayoung on the keystone team, he had some great suggestions about implementing policy features that can bridge the gap into the policy authorization code.20:41
dave-mccowanredrobot... that seems kind of icky.  putting the UUID into  a config file?  tricky to build the gate job to that on the fly too.20:41
redrobotdave-mccowan service tenant name in devstack is known to be "service" http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/barbican/tree/bin/keystone_data.sh#n4420:42
dave-mccowanredrobot can we key on tenant name only?  everything else goes by the tenant id.20:43
elmikoi *think* there is a way to specify a function in the policy file that maps to a function in the acl code, that would allow you to control it programatically without the need for embedding special values in the config20:43
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arunkantdave-mccowan: You can use 'service' project name instead of ID and populate that as service boostrap data20:43
dave-mccowani'm not sure if tenant name is guaranteed to be unique.  anyone know?20:44
redrobotdave-mccowan it is in v2.  only guaranteed unique within a domain in v320:44
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arunkantyes, will need both service and domain name in that case.20:45
arunkants/service/project20:45
redrobotwould be worth pinging the keystone folks about this20:46
elmiko+120:46
elmikoalso, check out ayoung's talk from vancouver about dynamic policy20:46
redrobotelmiko agreed20:46
redrobotdynamic policy would include namespaced roles... which I looked into briefly20:47
redrobothttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/187638/20:47
dave-mccowanredrobot +1 i'd really like to see another project that has done this to follow as an example.  no new wheel needed here.20:47
redrobotcool, sounds like we can move on to the next topic?20:47
elmikoredrobot: i did the namespace conversion to sahara's policy, it went pretty smoothly20:47
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redrobotelmiko I'll have to look into that and see if I can fix my patch20:48
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elmikoi'll make a comment too20:48
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dave-mccowanok to move on20:48
redrobot#topic quotas blueprint update20:48
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redrobotanother one for dave-mccowan20:49
elmikohehe20:49
dave-mccowani wanted to point out 3 deviations from the current spec as approved.20:49
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dave-mccowan1) the super-admin role, we just discussed.  2) the spec calls for transport-keys to be managed under a quota, but it turns out the are not project resources.20:50
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dave-mccowanthe are per plugin, not per project.  so i will delete them from the spec/code/doc etc.20:50
dave-mccowan(btw... maybe their API should also be controlled by rule:service-admin)20:50
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dave-mccowanand 3) a nit: the details of the paging for list of project-quotas was missing from the spec.20:51
redrobotAnyone is allowed to ask for the Transport Key20:51
redrobothaven't looked into the api recently20:51
dave-mccowani'll update the spec with these 3 points.  i assume all of these are ok?20:51
redrobotbut any add/edit actions need to be service-admin calls20:51
redrobotall 3 seem reasonable to me20:52
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woodster_agreed20:53
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dave-mccowanand finally, i'd like to ask for reviews on the CRs I have out on the blueprint.  pretty please. :-)20:53
redrobotawesome... sounds like we're done for today20:53
redrobotwith a couple of minutes to spare20:53
dave-mccowani'll be stuck soon, if these don't start landing.  there are four out there.  we can split them up if we need to.20:54
redrobotdave-mccowan I'll look at them ...  soon ... :)20:54
arunkantwill appreciate if people can comment on barbican client ACL changes as well.20:55
redrobot#topic Review Requests20:55
*** openstack changes topic to "Review Requests (Meeting topic: barbican)"20:55
redrobotok, y'all got 5 minutes to spam the channel with CR links :)20:55
dave-mccowan#link https://review.openstack.org/20589420:56
dave-mccowan#link https://review.openstack.org/21287620:56
dave-mccowan#link https://review.openstack.org/21296720:56
arunkantAs i said above, 3 linked changes for ACL on barbican client side. (1 # link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206699/ )20:56
* hockeynut is hoping that trojan to disable CTRL-V is working20:56
dave-mccowanthe first one is first priority, but is larger.  the second two are more bite-sized.20:57
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redrobotalrighty y'all, thanks for coming!20:59
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elmikothanks redrobot20:59
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