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| matrohon | hi | 15:00 |
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| matrohon | anyone interested in the bgpvpn meeting? | 15:01 |
| * pc_m lurking | 15:01 | |
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| matrohon | pc_m : please do :) | 15:01 |
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| pcarver | I'm around, but was on vacation yesterday so I know I'm behind on some emails that were sent | 15:02 |
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| matrohon | pcarver : hi | 15:03 |
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| matrohon | As there are some important design choices that has to be made, I'd like that most of the main contributor of bgpvpn discuss about them | 15:05 |
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| janscheurich | matrohon: hi | 15:06 |
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| matrohon | janscheurich :hi | 15:06 |
| matrohon | #startmeeting bgpvpn | 15:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 18 15:07:41 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is matrohon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: bgpvpn)" | 15:07 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'bgpvpn' | 15:07 |
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| matrohon | we have few design topics today, that I'd like to discuss | 15:08 |
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| matrohon | topic : service plugins vs service providers | 15:08 |
| matrohon | #topic : service plugins vs service providers | 15:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ": service plugins vs service providers (Meeting topic: bgpvpn)" | 15:08 | |
| matrohon | as mentioned in https://bugs.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+bug/1485515, I considered moving back from the service provider framework to the service plugin framework | 15:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1485515 in bgpvpn "multiple service drivers can't coexist" [Undecided,New] | 15:10 |
| svinota | oh. Almost missed | 15:10 |
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| matrohon | svinota : hi | 15:10 |
| svinota | matrohon, hi | 15:10 |
| matrohon | this would mean that each backend would implement its own plugin and the extension it supports | 15:10 |
| pcarver | matrohon: I saw that you sent an email on that bug, but haven't read it yet | 15:11 |
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| matrohon | Actually, I'm not sure if mixing service provider for the bgpvpn plugin make sense, and answers any use case | 15:11 |
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| amotoki | hi, I am not an usual member of this meeting though. | 15:12 |
| amotoki | for service provider, I have two questions. | 15:13 |
| janscheurich | What would be the consequences for API users: Can they discover extension support? | 15:13 |
| pcarver | Ok, skimmed through it quickly and first impression is that this relates to some of the ML3 discussion we had a while back | 15:13 |
| matrohon | I discussed with pc_m and dougwig earlier and dougwig encourage us to keep using the service provider framework since horizon is aware of the framework | 15:13 |
| amotoki | re horizon impl, it is service by service, so it is not a big matter. | 15:14 |
| matrohon | janscheurich : there would be no consequences, API would be the same, be the cloud provider couldn't mix several backends | 15:14 |
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| matrohon | amotoki : ok thanks for the clarification | 15:14 |
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| matrohon | amotoki : I saw that the flavor framework has merged in neutron recently | 15:15 |
| matrohon | amotoki : is there a related work in progress in horizon? | 15:15 |
| pcarver | In principle we dislike the idea of having an entire cloud locked in to a single vendor, but in practice it seems very difficult to picture exactly how multiple L3 service providers could coexist. Defining the boundaries is the challenge. | 15:15 |
| amotoki | matrohon: yes. it can be consumed by various services | 15:15 |
| matrohon | pcarver : +1 | 15:15 |
| pcarver | In the ML3 discussion we talked about leveraging the flavor framework to essentially have "flavors of routers" | 15:16 |
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| matrohon | amotoki : do you have any links? | 15:16 |
| amotoki | marcusvrn_: link about what? | 15:16 |
| matrohon | amotoki : about horizon implementation for the flavor framework? | 15:17 |
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| amotoki | ah.. got it. regaring horizon implementation, it will be service by service. | 15:17 |
| pcarver | I can certainly imagine wanting to have freedom to implement some L3 on Cisco Nexus and other L3 on Juniper MX (perhaps with a shared VXLAN L2 interconnecting them) | 15:17 |
| pcarver | But it's more challenging to imagine a scenario with some L3 on Contrail and other L3 on ODL | 15:18 |
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| matrohon | pcarver : and others on Nuage, exactly... | 15:18 |
| amotoki | horizon panel for each service will just have a "flavor " instead of "provider" in LBaaS v1 now. there is no progress AFAIK | 15:18 |
| amotoki | so it means we can just discuss flavor framework support only from API perspective. | 15:19 |
| pcarver | matrohon: Right, just listing some names for concreteness but not limiting discussion to those examples | 15:19 |
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| amotoki | pcarver: if some setvice plugin cannot coexist with other plugin/driver, they can choose a service plugin rather than a driver. | 15:20 |
| matrohon | amotoki : ok I see. the admin can't match service provider to service plugin through horizon? | 15:20 |
| matrohon | amotoki : ok I see. the admin can't match service provider to service flavors through horizon? | 15:20 |
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| amotoki | matrohon: what I am talking is just about user API | 15:21 |
| matrohon | amotoki : that's exactly the state of my thoughs currently | 15:21 |
| amotoki | we can have more GUI for admin to map privider to flavor. | 15:21 |
| matrohon | amotoki : but it's not implemented currently? | 15:22 |
| amotoki | matrohon: we have no impl now | 15:22 |
| matrohon | amotoki : ok thanks | 15:22 |
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| matrohon | so i'm not sure we could conclude about service plugin vs service providers... | 15:24 |
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| amotoki | regarding VPNaas and service provider, i have a question: VPNaaS APi is different per VPN type (e.g., IPsec/ BGPVPN), so I wonder we should have service provider per VPN type, or per VPN as a whole. | 15:24 |
| matrohon | I lean toward the service plugin implementation for its simplicity | 15:24 |
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| amotoki | IMHO we can have service provider for IPsec VPN, but I wonder how we can achieve service provider for a whole VPNaaS. | 15:25 |
| janscheurich | But will a service plugin approach make it harder for BGPVPN to become part of core Neutron at some point? | 15:26 |
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| pc_m | amotoki: good question | 15:26 |
| matrohon | amotoki : we could have a plugin taht implement both IPSec plugin interface and bgpvpn plugin interface | 15:27 |
| matrohon | amotoki, pc_m : and that supports both extensions | 15:27 |
| pc_m | I've been trying to define API for the "what" gets connected, with a separate (existing)API (for IPSec) for the how to connect. | 15:27 |
| amotoki | matrohon: that is one choice. another choice is to have a dedicate plugin per VPN type. | 15:28 |
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| matrohon | amotoki, pc_m : we currently have two service type, but what I mean is that the service driver could be the same and implement both interfaces | 15:29 |
| pc_m | matrohon: driver or plugin? | 15:29 |
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| * pc_m wondering if we are all using the same terminology | 15:30 | |
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| amotoki | at now the only interaction point is "vpnservice". I am not sure we should stick one service plugin. | 15:30 |
| matrohon | pc_m : it depends on our decision, but it could be a plugin for the bgpvpn service type and a driver for ipsec service type | 15:30 |
| amotoki | I think service plugins for ipsec and bgpvpn can coexist. I am just talking about possibilities. | 15:31 |
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| amotoki | I think we can list bgpvpn service plugin and ipsec service plugin. | 15:32 |
| matrohon | let's take the bagpipe implementation : it could coexist with a router that run strongswan for instance | 15:32 |
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| pc_m | amotoki: is the plugin tied to a specific API (extension)? | 15:32 |
| amotoki | pc_m: yes, though it is one choice. | 15:33 |
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| pc_m | amotoki: What's the other choice | 15:33 |
| amotoki | in the past discussion, VPN parameters depends on a type much. | 15:33 |
| * pc_m trying to find out how they interrelate | 15:33 | |
| amotoki | so I am afraid we can have a single service plugin or not. | 15:33 |
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| amotoki | the other choice is one service plugin for all (or two now) VPN types. | 15:34 |
| pc_m | amotoki: In that case, some APIs dispatch to one service driver and other APIs to the other service driver? | 15:35 |
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| pc_m | with a combined plugin, there isn't a way to enable only one type, right? | 15:36 |
| amotoki | pc_m: is "that case" "one service plugin ..."? | 15:36 |
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| pc_m | amotoki: yes | 15:36 |
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| amotoki | honestly I don't have a good picture on a single plugin for all vpn types. | 15:36 |
| matrohon | this could be achivable by loading extension from service drivers | 15:37 |
| pc_m | matrohon: It may be useful to create a write-up on the various options, the implications, and maybe a recommendation...for community review. | 15:37 |
| matrohon | pc_m : make sense... | 15:38 |
| matrohon | this leads me to the other topic I'd like to discuss ... :) | 15:38 |
| amotoki | matrohon: does it mean that supported extensions are determiend by loaded drivers? | 15:38 |
| pc_m | I imagine some of us (like me), don't have a strong handle on how BGPVPN works either. | 15:38 |
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| pcarver | I wonder if we need a flow chart showing decision points. | 15:39 |
| pcarver | I'm a little unclear on what decisions would be made via API vs config vs within the code | 15:39 |
| matrohon | amotoki : If we keep on using a single plugin, having extensions loaded by service drivers make sens since some option won't be supported by some backends | 15:39 |
| pcarver | As an API request comes in it needs to flow through plugin/driver/extension in some deterministic way | 15:40 |
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| matrohon | I submitted this kind of idea on the last review : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177740/ | 15:40 |
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| matrohon | amotoki : we would mimic the ML2 extension manager | 15:41 |
| amotoki | matrohon: I see. | 15:41 |
| matrohon | I would like to move the "what" can be associated to a vpn in dedicated extensions | 15:42 |
| amotoki | but I am not sure it speeds up us. integration tends to take time and there are big differences across VPN services | 15:43 |
| amotoki | so I am not confident a single plugin is a better choice at now. | 15:43 |
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| amotoki | matrohon: agree to moving "what" | 15:43 |
| amotoki | moving to "what" | 15:44 |
| janscheurich | I think we are discussing different things. I believe matrohon is talking about what to associate with a BGPVPN object: network, router, etc | 15:44 |
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| matrohon | amotoki either I hope :) | 15:45 |
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| amotoki | janscheurich: matrohon: it is same as what in my mind. | 15:45 |
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| amotoki | matrohon: go ahead, please | 15:46 |
| matrohon | pc_m : don't you think this model could be used in the context of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191944/ | 15:46 |
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| pc_m | I've been trying to design something to detail the "what" with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191944/ | 15:46 |
| * pc_m messages crossed. | 15:46 | |
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| pc_m | matrohon: I'm still struggling with understanding how BGPVPN works. | 15:47 |
| matrohon | pc_m :) | 15:48 |
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| pc_m | matrohon: For IPSec we need to support multiple local subnets. Rather than just adding it to the existing API, I wanted to separate out the "what gets connected" | 15:48 |
| matrohon | pc_m : just think about a third party VPN with end users able to attach resources to it | 15:48 |
| pc_m | in the hopes it can be reused. | 15:48 |
| matrohon | pc_m : in the IPSec context it's always subnet | 15:49 |
| pc_m | matrohon: That helps. | 15:50 |
| matrohon | while in bgpvpn we might want to attach network, router or even ports, depending on the backend | 15:50 |
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| janscheurich | matrohon: Depending on the networking use case | 15:50 |
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| matrohon | janscheurich : +1 | 15:51 |
| janscheurich | Not all BGPVPN backends may support all types of attachment | 15:51 |
| pc_m | matrohon: So does a backend, like bagpipe manage the resource that gets connected to the BGPVPN? | 15:51 |
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| matrohon | that's the reason why I think that we should leverage the extension framework to be able to scan what the backend support for attachment | 15:52 |
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| matrohon | pc_m : it manages the resource by adding learned router to the router namespace in the router attachment example | 15:53 |
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| janscheurich | pc_m: I wouldn't say it manages the attached resources. It provides VPN connectivity between the attached local resources and the remote resources (in the BGPVPN case dynamically learned) | 15:53 |
| matrohon | janscheurich : +1 | 15:54 |
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| pc_m | thanks. helping me understand it better | 15:55 |
| matrohon | does anyone think that it's a bad idea to move the *-association to dedicated extension | 15:55 |
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| amotoki | matrohon: could you elaborate more? | 15:56 |
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| janscheurich | matrohon: It may make the API documentation more difficult to read if it is split into too many extensions. | 15:56 |
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| matrohon | amotoki : I mean some backends (bgpvpn drivers or plugins) will support the bgpvpn extension a,d the network-association extension | 15:57 |
| matrohon | amotoki : while others will support the bgpvpn extension a,d the router-association extension | 15:57 |
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| amotoki | matrohon: ah.. I got it to some extent. | 15:57 |
| janscheurich | One big problem with Neutron API already today. Difficult to get the big picture | 15:57 |
| matrohon | amotoki : which means that the end user can only attach routers | 15:57 |
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| matrohon | i think we gain in flexibility | 15:59 |
| matrohon | but... | 15:59 |
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| matrohon | neutron is not able to manage action extensions today | 15:59 |
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| matrohon | as actions described in the spec (associate-network...) | 15:59 |
| amotoki | hmm... I think i understand the context, but there are many contexts. it seems better to me to start bgpvpn service plugin and then discuss an integrated vpn plugin. | 15:59 |
| amotoki | it is just my feeling from this meeting. | 16:00 |
| matrohon | amotoki : yep, ping me if needed | 16:00 |
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| matrohon | so neutron is only able to manage resources extension | 16:00 |
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| matrohon | which means taht we should get back to the sub-resources proposal in the spec, instead of action proposal... | 16:01 |
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| adrian_otto | time to wrap up? | 16:01 |
| -amotoki- time check | 16:01 | |
| matrohon | let's have one week to think about that | 16:01 |
| matrohon | thanks | 16:01 |
| matrohon | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 18 16:01:46 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2015/bgpvpn.2015-08-18-15.07.html | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2015/bgpvpn.2015-08-18-15.07.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2015/bgpvpn.2015-08-18-15.07.log.html | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | #startmeeting containers | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 18 16:01:56 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 16:02 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2015-08-18_1600_UTC Our Agneda | 16:02 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:02 |
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| apmelton | o/ | 16:02 |
| daneyon_ | o/ | 16:02 |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:02 |
| mfalatic | o/ | 16:02 |
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| Tango | Ton Ngo | 16:02 |
| madhuri | o/ | 16:02 |
| tcammann | \o_ | 16:02 |
| rbradfor | Ronald Bradford | 16:02 |
| eghobo_ | o/ | 16:02 |
| adrian_otto | hello apmelton, daneyon_, mfalatic, Tango, madhuri, tcammann, rbradfor, and eghobo_ | 16:02 |
| dane_leblanc_ | o/ | 16:03 |
| hongbin | o/ | 16:03 |
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| adrian_otto | hello dane_leblanc_, and hongbin | 16:04 |
| bradjones | o/ | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | hi bradjones | 16:04 |
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| sdake_ | o/ | 16:04 |
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| diga | o/ | 16:05 |
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| adrian_otto | hello sdake and diga | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | let's begin | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:06 |
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| adrian_otto | 1) adrian_otto will be out on 2015-08-25 due to travel to OpenStack Silicon Valley event. sdake will chair. | 16:06 |
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| adrian_otto | any other announcements form team members? | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | *from? | 16:06 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Container Networking Subteam Update (daneyon_) | 16:07 |
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| daneyon_ | Last week's network subteam meeting had a ton of discussion around kuryr. What it is, what it's not, etc.. | 16:07 |
| daneyon_ | Unfortunately, we did not have anyone from the kuryr team in attendance. I received confirmation that someone from the kuryr team will join this week's meeting. | 16:07 |
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| daneyon_ | I attended the kuryr weekly meeting yesterday. | 16:07 |
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| daneyon_ | topics included config mgt and the details of vif binding/unbinding | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/container_networking/2015/container_networking.2015-08-13-18.00.html Previous Meeting | 16:08 |
| daneyon_ | and a WIP kuryr design spec | 16:08 |
| daneyon_ | If you have time, please review the spec | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | link to the spec? | 16:08 |
| daneyon_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213490/ | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | thanks daneyon_ | 16:08 |
| daneyon_ | Speaking of specs.... | 16:09 |
| daneyon_ | It would be great to wrap up the magnum network spec | 16:09 |
| daneyon_ | Please let me know if you have any questions on my magnum net spec. | 16:09 |
| daneyon_ | I have my magnum dev env up and going | 16:09 |
| daneyon_ | I ran into a coupole bugs related to flannel | 16:10 |
| sdake_ | the network spec danyeon_ | 16:10 |
| daneyon_ | i tracked the bugs and committed fixes | 16:10 |
| sdake_ | was tom's issue sorted out | 16:10 |
| daneyon_ | thanks everyone for getting them merged | 16:10 |
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| sdake_ | I am +2 on teh spec with whatever changefs are needed to get it through the system | 16:10 |
| daneyon_ | when the magnum net spec is merged, i will create bp's for the individual tasks | 16:10 |
| daneyon_ | in the meantime, I'm starting to hack at some of the changes proposed in the spec. | 16:10 |
| daneyon_ | sdake_ yes, tcammann is happy and +2'd the revised spec | 16:11 |
| sdake_ | adrain_otto one thing that I afound helped with rollcall votes | 16:11 |
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| sdake_ | is to set a final deadline for approval | 16:11 |
| sdake_ | daneyon_ nice ill go vote on it again then and re-reiew | 16:11 |
| daneyon_ | i think adrian_otto would like to do one last review | 16:11 |
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| daneyon_ | hopefully he is happy with the spec and it gets merged | 16:12 |
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| adrian_otto | my apologies for my delayed action | 16:12 |
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| sdake_ | daneyon_ we are drinking from two firehoses atm | 16:12 |
| daneyon_ | adrian_otto no worries... i know you are busy | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | daneyon, a family emergency has surfaced for me, and I may need to step away from work to attend to it. | 16:12 |
| daneyon_ | sdake_ i hope you're thirsty... lol | 16:12 |
| sdake_ | more like hungry | 16:13 |
| sdake_ | plate overflowing! | 16:13 |
| daneyon_ | adrian_otto unless their are any questions, that's all i have for the network subteam update | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | ok, let's get through our agenda, and I'll regroup with you on taht subject | 16:13 |
| daneyon_ | adrian_otto no worries. family 1st. | 16:13 |
| daneyon_ | adrian_otto i hope all is well | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | 1 sec | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Magnum UI Subteam Update (bradjones) | 16:16 |
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| bradjones | Not a huge amount to update on this week | 16:16 |
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| bradjones | I have pushed a WIP patch that is the view for BayModel | 16:17 |
| bradjones | currently working on getting the API working then once it is synced up I will be pestering you all for reviews :) | 16:17 |
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| bradjones | getting reviews from horizon folks without a magnum environment will be tricky | 16:17 |
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| bradjones | so hoping you guys will be able to help review in some capacity to check the workflow is as expected | 16:18 |
| sdake_ | bradjones note I dont think we can review the patches | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | sdake_: why? | 16:18 |
| sdake_ | adrian_otto I thought we had a separeate group that didnt have magnum in it in gerrit | 16:18 |
| sdake_ | but couldbe wrong | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | you can review anything in Gerrit | 16:19 |
| sdake_ | oh i mean +2 review | 16:19 |
| bradjones | sdake_: it doesn't have to be a +2 review but just a +1 from a few people with magnum envs to test against will be great | 16:19 |
| sdake_ | yes of course I could review :) | 16:19 |
| Tango | I can work with Thai Tran here and provide him with a magnum environment to review | 16:19 |
| bradjones | Tango: That would be great thanks | 16:19 |
| apmelton | bradjones: I should be able to throw it in my magnum environment and play around with horizon | 16:19 |
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| apmelton | might need a little help getting it installed, but I'd be glad to test it | 16:20 |
| bradjones | I will post message in #openstack-containers when it is in a state to have a proper review | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | and I'm reasonably sure that magnum core as a group belongs to the magnum-ui-core group | 16:20 |
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| adrian_otto | thanks bradjones | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 16:20 |
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| adrian_otto | (none) | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Blueprint/Bug Review | 16:20 |
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| adrian_otto | Essential Blueprint Updates | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | I am going to skip the first on the agenda b/c we downgraded it | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/secure-kubernetes Secure the client/server communication between ReST client and ReST server (madhuri) | 16:21 |
| madhuri | After midcycle meetup, we have lot to do | 16:22 |
| madhuri | hopefully few more patches are left | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | I notices a flurry of activity in the code review queue | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | *noticed | 16:23 |
| apmelton | madhuri: is there anything with the core feature I can help with? | 16:23 |
| madhuri | apmelton: Thanks, can we fix a time to discuss | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | thanks for your help apmelton | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | madhuri: anything you'd like to identify for team discussion today? | 16:24 |
| madhuri | adrian_otto: I apologize for the delay, I just shifted to India, so some work | 16:25 |
| madhuri | But I am back on the work | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | welcome back! | 16:25 |
| apmelton | congrats on the new job! | 16:25 |
| madhuri | Thanks apmelton :) | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | should I advance to the next work item, madhuri? | 16:26 |
| madhuri | Sure | 16:26 |
| apmelton | actually, there's something I'd like to bring up here | 16:26 |
| apmelton | the effort to pull the lbaas cert manager into castella has stalled | 16:27 |
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| apmelton | are we still planning to use their code? | 16:27 |
| apmelton | the lbaas cert manager code | 16:27 |
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| rm_work | o/ | 16:27 |
| rm_work | ah, looks like good timing | 16:27 |
| apmelton | rm_work: was the one working on the effort | 16:28 |
| madhuri | we are using it for now | 16:28 |
| suro-patz | o/ : "entering late" | 16:28 |
| apmelton | so, what I'm wondering is, if both Magnum and Octavia is planning to support that code, should we attempt pulling it into an oslo library? | 16:29 |
| madhuri | apmelton: What's your concern? | 16:29 |
| madhuri | Yes that can be an improvement. | 16:29 |
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| apmelton | I guess my concern is maintaining that code in two trees | 16:30 |
| madhuri | That's a different task and we can discuss seperately | 16:30 |
| apmelton | alright | 16:30 |
| rm_work | yes, I would love to see it somewhere common | 16:30 |
| madhuri | +1 | 16:30 |
| rm_work | there is some refactoring that needs to happen anyway, so i would support an effort to get it into a common project | 16:30 |
| sdake_ | maintaining which code? | 16:31 |
| sdake_ | sorry irc algged out | 16:31 |
| apmelton | sdake_: the lbaas cert manager code we're planning to use in our cert manager | 16:31 |
| sdake_ | thanks | 16:31 |
| rm_work | LBaaS abandoned its effort to get the code in Castellan, because we realized the CertManager interface wasn't going to work out for us anyway for technical reasons, but the CertGenerator code (which i think you actually care more about?) is still going to be used | 16:31 |
| rm_work | it was just an even harder sell for Castellan so we hadn't tried yet | 16:32 |
| apmelton | rm_work: yes, sorry, CertGenerator | 16:32 |
| apmelton | I guess what we can do is solidify our use case in our tree, then pull out the common pieces once we've got it working | 16:33 |
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| rm_work | Yeah, I will be happy to help with that when you are working on it | 16:33 |
| rm_work | whoever takes that task can drop me a line | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so let's do this one step at a time. | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | let's get the solution merges in Magnum first, and then decide how best to share it among projects | 16:33 |
| apmelton | sounds good to me | 16:34 |
| rm_work | yep | 16:34 |
| madhuri | +1 | 16:34 |
| sdake_ | +2 | 16:34 |
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| vilobhmm | Update objects from the bay | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | cool, I'll make a note to put this on our topic list for Tokyo if we don't get to it before then. | 16:34 |
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| adrian_otto | vilobhmm: proceed | 16:35 |
| vilobhmm | sure :) | 16:35 |
| vilobhmm | Last week took ownership of it. We got the design and approach sorted out, thanks to sdake for providing help wherever needed. Looks like there is no Query-by-UUID k8s ReST API https://github.com/kubernetes/kubernetes/issues/4817 in Kubernates. Whereas in each of our resources (pod/rc/service) we try to instantiate the object using https://github.com/openstack/magnum/blob/master/magnum/api/controllers/v1/utils.py#L70 but if we p | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | truncated? | 16:35 |
| vilobhmm | We got the design and approach sorted out, thanks to sdake for providing help wherever needed. Looks like there is no Query-by-UUID k8s ReST API https://github.com/kubernetes/kubernetes/issues/4817 in Kubernates. | 16:36 |
| vilobhmm | Whereas in each of our resources (pod/rc/service) we try to instantiate the object using https://github.com/openstack/magnum/blob/master/magnum/api/controllers/v1/utils.py#L70 we use QUERY-by-UUID | 16:36 |
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| vilobhmm | but if we plan to create the objects for these resources using the ReST Bay/k8s endpoints we only have the option to get it from name as only QUERY-by-NAME is supported as of now | 16:36 |
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| vilobhmm | So my plan is to irc://irc.freenode.net:6667/#1. get the uuid -> name conversion as part of QUERY-by-UUID, will get this information from magnum db irc://irc.freenode.net:6667/#. Once we get the name in irc://irc.freenode.net:6667/#1. do a QUERY-by-NAME to fetch details from k8s ReST API endpoints. Want to know your thoughts on this. | 16:36 |
| vilobhmm | So till the time kubernates provide a QUERY-by-UUID we will need a way to store the mapping from uuid to name and at present the best place to keep it IMHO happens to be the table for the respective resource for example magnum.rc, magnum.service etc… | 16:37 |
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| vilobhmm | addrian_otto : I hope it is not truncated now | 16:37 |
| sdake | so just to clarify, when getting a list | 16:37 |
| sdake | the process is for pod in list_from_kys: | 16:37 |
| sdake | pod = k8s_query_by_name | 16:38 |
| vilobhmm | ok | 16:38 |
| sdake | pod_uuid = k8s_query_by_uuid? | 16:38 |
| suro-patz | I think it is better to have an object representation at magnum-db, which will provide the translation/mapping to the rc/service/pod object of k8s | 16:38 |
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| sdake | suro-patz I'd rather avoid that, because if someone creates an objectt with the native client, the mapping wont be present in the database | 16:39 |
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| suro-patz | sdake: point noted | 16:39 |
| hongbin | So, we are not able to: magnum pod-show <pod_uuid> ? | 16:39 |
| madhuri | Agree | 16:39 |
| vilobhmm | sdake : but right now there is no way to have a uuid-name mapping | 16:39 |
| sdake | so what precisely is the proposal on uuids | 16:39 |
| sdake | without cut and paste ;) | 16:39 |
| suro-patz | sdake: but a name is unique identifier given a bay | 16:40 |
| madhuri | I think this should read from kuberentes not magnum db | 16:40 |
| vilobhmm | madhuri : +! | 16:40 |
| vilobhmm | +1 | 16:40 |
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| sdake | suro-patz yes I htink we can use the bay uuid to help generate a uuid from the pod id | 16:40 |
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| sdake | pod name rather | 16:40 |
| vilobhmm | thats what the blueprint is for IMHO…just that right now only QUERY-by-NAME k8s Rest api is available | 16:40 |
| hongbin | How about store static information in DB, and read from kubernetes for dynamic state | 16:40 |
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| adrian_otto | +1 | 16:41 |
| sdake | nothing about pods can be in the database, because it wont be updated when a native client is ued to write to k8s | 16:41 |
| madhuri | hongbin: +1 | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | that's the direction we aimed at when we discussed this last as a team | 16:41 |
| sdake | essentially the database will be missing information on native client write operations | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | sdake, things like the name of the pod and it's identifier can be in the db | 16:42 |
| apmelton | adrian_otto: not if it was created by the native client | 16:42 |
| mfalatic | +1 | 16:42 |
| sdake | kube-ctl create pod.yaml | 16:42 |
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| vilobhmm | adrain_otto : +1 for now till the time https://github.com/kubernetes/kubernetes/issues/4817 gets resolved | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | we can use a synchronization approach to make sure the static state remains mirrored | 16:42 |
| sdake | adrian_otto that will create a pod that kubernetes doesn't know about | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | apmelton: yes, this is the same as heat convergence | 16:43 |
| sdake | rather that magnum doen't know about | 16:43 |
| sdake | yes i thought of this sync approach adrian_otto | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | it won't know about it initially, but it can learn about it soon after it is created | 16:43 |
| sdake | it seems better imo just to always get from the k8s api | 16:43 |
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| adrian_otto | I see | 16:43 |
| apmelton | I thought the entire point of using CoE objects directly was to get us out of the sync and lock game | 16:43 |
| sdake | because a sync has to do the same thing in essence | 16:43 |
| sdake | get it from the k8s endpoint | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | so in that case we don't persist pod information at all. I could live with that. | 16:44 |
| sdake | apmelton no it is to get is to be able to use native cleints, what you mention is a side benefit ;) | 16:44 |
| sdake | or rc/service info | 16:44 |
| sdake | adrian_otto that is what we are after here ;) | 16:44 |
| madhuri | Yes better to get from k8s endpoint directly | 16:45 |
| sdake | vilobhmm if you have more test patches in your stream, please put them up for review | 16:45 |
| sdake | even if they are wip | 16:45 |
| sdake | i'd like to see the whole stream befor merging | 16:45 |
| vilobhmm | magnum api's : just keep mapping uuid-name in db just the mapping..whereas all the "fresh" data is accessed and updated using k8s ReST endpoints…for native client : get directly from k8s endpoints | 16:45 |
| sdake | so we aren't in a state of some stuff comes from db some stuff comes from k8s endpoint | 16:45 |
| vilobhmm | sdake : sure will do | 16:45 |
| Tango | What's the outlook for kubernetes to provide this support? | 16:45 |
| suro-patz | if the objective is to make magnum client behave as per the native client, magnum api should behave as pass through | 16:45 |
| sdake | make sure to title it WIP: | 16:46 |
| vilobhmm | sdake : yup | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | ok, vilobhmm ready to advance topics now? | 16:46 |
| sdake | tango I dont understand the q | 16:46 |
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| Tango | sdake: the issue that vilobhmm pointed out | 16:46 |
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| vilobhmm | adrian_otto : sure..just a last question to you and team does this seems fair "just keep mapping uuid-name in db just the mapping..whereas all the "fresh" data is accessed and updated using k8s ReST endpoints…for native client : get directly from k8s endpoints" | 16:47 |
| vilobhmm | for magnum api - just keep... | 16:47 |
| vilobhmm | so that i can submit more WIP patches based of this | 16:47 |
| adrian_otto | vilobhmm: let's start with a naive implementation that fetches all pod and service and rc related state directly from k8s rather than persisting duplicates of state data in our own db | 16:48 |
| vilobhmm | adrian_otto : seems fair | 16:49 |
| vilobhmm | we can move ahead | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | if that proves to be a problem, then we can optimize from there | 16:49 |
| vilobhmm | thanks all! | 16:49 |
| madhuri | adrian_otto: +1, no data in magnum db | 16:49 |
| vilobhmm | alrite | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | cool, thanks! | 16:49 |
| vilobhmm | madhuri : +1 thanks | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/external-lb Support the kubernetes service external-load-balancer feature (Tango) | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/external-lb Support the kubernetes service external-load-balancer feature (Tango) | 16:49 |
| Tango | We got Angus Lees (gus) to engage directly, so that's good news | 16:50 |
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| Tango | He pointed out 3 new patches that we need. They are not merged yet, so I built a customer Kubernetes version based on 1.0.3 | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | I also saw references to k8s patches | 16:50 |
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| Tango | I am testing it now. With gus help, I am hopeful | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | we could "bird dog" stalk those patches with our k8s friends | 16:51 |
| Tango | Angus thinks there may be a few more bugs to fix | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | at a minimum simply express our interest in those by updating them in the k8s project bug tracker | 16:52 |
| Tango | Yep | 16:52 |
| madhuri | Just for update I generated 1.0.3 kubernetes client code and it is not working | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | ok, Tango once we have a working setup, and we know what patches we want to land upstream, please let me know so I can apply what influence we have there so they get the attention they deserve | 16:52 |
| Tango | I am also working on a patch to set the parameters for the heat templates, will upload the initial version shortly, then will likely need feedback from the team | 16:53 |
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| Tango | And adding a functional test based on wordpress, although it won't run until we have V1 api support | 16:53 |
| madhuri | Tango: I generated v1 client code only | 16:54 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, should we pull in team members to assist with that? | 16:54 |
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| Tango | madhuri: Can I pick them up? | 16:54 |
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| madhuri | I am busy with TLS, if any one wants to take it. it will be good | 16:55 |
| Tango | Yes it would be good to have help moving to V1 api | 16:55 |
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| madhuri | Sure Tango | 16:55 |
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| hongbin | I can help if you want | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | awesome hongbin! | 16:55 |
| Tango | hongbin: Thanks hongbin, will ping you | 16:55 |
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| hongbin | k | 16:55 |
| madhuri | Anyone please :) | 16:55 |
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| madhuri | Tango: Please let me know if I can help anyway | 16:56 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/secure-docker Secure client/server communication using TLS (apmelton) | 16:56 |
| adrian_otto | we have code for this now | 16:56 |
| apmelton | got a WIP review up, I"m updating it as reviews show up and patches land | 16:56 |
| manjeet_ | Tango: I can help in setting parameters for heat templates | 16:56 |
| apmelton | won't really be finished until the core TLS stuff lands | 16:57 |
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| adrian_otto | thanks apmelton | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 16:57 |
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| adrian_otto | I am scheduled to appear in a keynote panel at OpenStack Silicon Valley | 16:57 |
| hongbin | I have a question: what is the deadline for landing liberty feature for Magnum? | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | there is a remote chance I may have family business that conflicts with it | 16:57 |
| madhuri | +1 hongbin | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | so I may reach out to a few of you to act as a standby | 16:58 |
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| adrian_otto | the event is on August 26+27 in Mountain View, CA | 16:58 |
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| adrian_otto | hongbin: there is not an official deadline, but we need all new features ASAP | 17:00 |
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| adrian_otto | time elapsed | 17:00 |
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| daneyon_ | i have to jump to my next meeting | 17:00 |
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| adrian_otto | our next meeting is 2015-08-25 at 2200 UTC (sdake charis) | 17:00 |
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| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 18 17:00:43 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-08-18-16.01.html | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-08-18-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-08-18-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
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| Nikolay_St | #startmeeting Murano | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 18 17:01:27 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Nikolay_St. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Murano)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:01 |
| kzaitsev_mb | o/ | 17:01 |
| Nikolay_St | o/ | 17:01 |
| Nikolay_St | hi folks | 17:01 |
| noa_koffman | 0/ | 17:01 |
| ddovbii | hi | 17:01 |
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| FilipBlaha | hi | 17:02 |
| Nikolay_St | today Serg asked me to be a chair :) | 17:02 |
| StanLagun | hi | 17:02 |
| katyafervent2 | hi | 17:02 |
| Nikolay_St | here is agenda of the meeting: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda#Agenda | 17:02 |
| Nikolay_St | let's start with action items review | 17:02 |
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| Nikolay_St | #topic Action Items Review | 17:02 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda/Archive/2015-08-18/#Agenda | 17:03 |
| ativelkov | o/ | 17:03 |
| kzaitsev_mb | a more permanent link for agenda ) | 17:03 |
| kzaitsev_mb | more or less | 17:03 |
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| Nikolay_St | oh, sorry. I'm new with it :) | 17:03 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | don't worry, seems that nobody really maintains it, I just like to have a bit more consistent logs =) | 17:04 |
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| Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: please. You was able to write a email to openstack-dev about new yaql | 17:04 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | yep, done that | 17:04 |
| Nikolay_St | ok | 17:05 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | also freerunner added a valuable comment with devstack rc | 17:05 |
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| Nikolay_St | next action was about "pin yaql requirements to RC2" | 17:05 |
| Nikolay_St | who is responsible for it? | 17:06 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-August/071980.html | 17:06 |
| StanLagun | rc2 is pinned in migration commit | 17:06 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-August/071991.html | 17:06 |
| StanLagun | the problem is that as it just have discovered seems that we are going to release rc3 | 17:06 |
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| Nikolay_St | should we pin it as the new action item? | 17:07 |
| kzaitsev_mb | bummer... | 17:07 |
| ativelkov | let's discuss it a bit more | 17:07 |
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| Nikolay_St | we have a topic about yaql 1.0 | 17:07 |
| Nikolay_St | so, I think we can move to it | 17:07 |
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| ativelkov | yup | 17:07 |
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| Nikolay_St | #topic Migrating to yaql 1.0 status | 17:08 |
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| Nikolay_St | slagle: please | 17:08 |
| ativelkov | so, there are a couple of breaking changes between 0.2.x and 1.0 which are not yet reflected in "legacy mode" | 17:08 |
| Nikolay_St | StanLagun: please | 17:08 |
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| ativelkov | we may add them to that mode, but that would require us to release a rc3 | 17:08 |
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| ativelkov | OR we may address them in Murano engine | 17:08 |
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| ativelkov | I stand for the former | 17:09 |
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| ativelkov | but this may be discussed and other options may be considered | 17:09 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | Fixing YAQL behaviour seems like a better idea to me. Otherwise we would be adding a workaround, won't we? | 17:10 |
| StanLagun | I agree that it is better to fix in yaql itself because legacy mode was intended to emulate yaql 0.2 behavior and we see several constructs that do not work any more (though for a good reason) | 17:10 |
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| Nikolay_St | I agreee with kzaitsev_mb | 17:10 |
| StanLagun | just note this is not fixing yaql but yaql legacy mode | 17:10 |
| kzaitsev_mb | So it's more like a bug in the way we support old 0.2 apps | 17:11 |
| StanLagun | it may be worth it to discuss if the decision to drop that behavior was a correct one | 17:11 |
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| ativelkov | yup | 17:11 |
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| ativelkov | StanLagun: could you please elaboreate more on that decision? | 17:12 |
| StanLagun | there are 2 breaking changes that were not addressed: | 17:12 |
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| StanLagun | 1) in yaql 0.2 you could say $key in $dict (as in Python). In yaql 1.0 you can say $key in $dict.keys(), $key in $dict.values() etc. $dict itself is not iterable | 17:13 |
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| StanLagun | 2) In yaql 0.2 foo() != true would be true if foo would return string, integer, whatever. In yaql 1.0 if foo would return non-boolean value that would cause exception to be thrown | 17:14 |
| StanLagun | the same for = | 17:14 |
| StanLagun | I truly believe this is better behavior | 17:15 |
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| StanLagun | but old behavior need to be restored in legacy mode | 17:15 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | so yaql 1.0 is not strongly typed? =) | 17:16 |
| kzaitsev_mb | s/not/now/ | 17:16 |
| StanLagun | kind of | 17:16 |
| kzaitsev_mb | is it really a good idea for non-compiled language? | 17:17 |
| StanLagun | explicit is better then implicit | 17:17 |
| ativelkov | I like the change of 1): iterating the dict is a bad idea anyway | 17:17 |
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| ativelkov | but I don't like 2) | 17:17 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I kind of thought, that strong typing allows better code analysis tools to be written and helps developer to find errors before the programm is even run | 17:18 |
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| StanLagun | the motivation for 2 is that comparing non-comparible values is usualy a sign of a program bug. Usual real-life bug is foo != true instead of $foo != true | 17:18 |
| StanLagun | so this is a way not to mask bug | 17:19 |
| StanLagun | btw this was a bug discovered in k8s implementation and thats how I discovered it | 17:19 |
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| ativelkov | so, to "fix" that in code one would need to do something like "bool($foo) != true? | 17:20 |
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| ativelkov | I mean in a non-legacy mode? | 17:21 |
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| StanLagun | yes. But for yaql you will not often use such constructions. And for MuranoPL you don't need them at all since If macro will evaluate similar to Python | 17:22 |
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| StanLagun | but in reality you nearly always will write $foo != 0 or != '' | 17:23 |
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| StanLagun | because most of the time you know the type | 17:23 |
| kzaitsev_mb | well, like I said, I really think Stan should grow a beard =) | 17:24 |
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| ativelkov | :) | 17:25 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Count me as a python guy here, so I like my objects comparable no matter what, but my '+'s raising Runtime Errors if the language does not know how to add | 17:25 |
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| ativelkov | kzaitsev_mb: important difference here with python is that arbitrary character combination counts as a string in yaql | 17:26 |
| ativelkov | i.e. "abc != true" will always be true | 17:26 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | but I believe, that I do not know if this is a good thing to have or a bad thing to have, so you can safely disregard my opinion ))) | 17:27 |
| ativelkov | as it evaluates to "'abc' != true" | 17:27 |
| StanLagun | and that is really often error that I even make myself | 17:27 |
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| ativelkov | So, Stan's point is that the developer is likely to forget about writing $ before variable name, thus making this variable just a string instead | 17:27 |
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| ativelkov | Personally, I don't think it is a reason to require explicit booleans | 17:28 |
| ativelkov | But, well.. I am ok with either solution | 17:28 |
| kzaitsev_mb | ativelkov: require explicit var declaration then? =))) | 17:28 |
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| ativelkov | kzaitsev_mb: blasphemy! | 17:29 |
| kzaitsev_mb | let's summ it up, won't we? | 17:29 |
| StanLagun | there is another reason for that | 17:29 |
| ativelkov | StanLagun: which is? | 17:29 |
| kzaitsev_mb | We have to fix yaql legacy support, before we can release 1.0, right? | 17:29 |
| ativelkov | kzaitsev_mb: yup, at least for dict iteration part | 17:30 |
| ativelkov | (as it seems like we are in an agreement on it) | 17:30 |
| kzaitsev_mb | And there is going to be rc3, which is sad, but inevitable, heh | 17:30 |
| ativelkov | looks like you are right | 17:30 |
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| StanLagun | no, there is no other reason | 17:31 |
| katyafervent2 | can we just releaze 1.0 with all the fixrs? | 17:32 |
| ativelkov | katyafervent2: well.. it's a bit bad practice | 17:32 |
| katyafervent2 | *fixes | 17:32 |
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| ativelkov | RC should become an RTM without any changes | 17:33 |
| StanLagun | there might be other compatibility issues. There are no unit tests for yaql 0.2 that could be used to ensure compatibility | 17:33 |
| ativelkov | At least in my understanding | 17:33 |
| ativelkov | StanLagun: right, and in this case we will release 1.0.x's | 17:33 |
| katyafervent2 | why? openstack rc2 and release itself may be different | 17:33 |
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| ativelkov | but if we already know about an issue, we may fix it | 17:34 |
| ativelkov | katyafervent2: not unless you are ok without releasing it without a proper testing | 17:34 |
| ativelkov | ok with* releasing it | 17:34 |
| ativelkov | If we make this change and wnat to test it before the release, we'll need to tag the changed binary somehow. rc3 is a good tag ) | 17:35 |
| katyafervent2 | ok) | 17:36 |
| Nikolay_St | so | 17:36 |
| Nikolay_St | we need a final decision | 17:36 |
| Nikolay_St | or we can run out of time | 17:36 |
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| Nikolay_St | StanLagun: please | 17:37 |
| StanLagun | I suggest to fix it in rc3. But do not release rc3 until we have successfully deployed one really complex env with k8s etc | 17:37 |
| StanLagun | to maximize our chances to find other errors of that kind | 17:37 |
| Nikolay_St | should we marked it as action item? | 17:38 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | Nikolay_St: I believe we should ) | 17:38 |
| StanLagun | i will submit fixes today. Please review ASAP | 17:38 |
| ativelkov | ok | 17:38 |
| ativelkov | StanLagun: ping me directly for faster review | 17:38 |
| ativelkov | how may we test it without releasing rc3? | 17:39 |
| StanLagun | by installing yaql from gerrit | 17:39 |
| Nikolay_St | #actionitem fix yaql legacy mode and release yaql rc3 after successful deployment | 17:39 |
| ativelkov | oh, so you mean manual verification | 17:39 |
| ativelkov | ok | 17:39 |
| StanLagun | This is a matter of 1 day | 17:39 |
| Nikolay_St | #action fix yaql legacy mode and release yaql rc3 after successful deployment | 17:40 |
| ativelkov | This AI should go to akuznetsova, shouldn't it? | 17:40 |
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| Nikolay_St | so we can move to the next topic, I guess | 17:41 |
| Nikolay_St | #topic Artifact (glance v3) transition status update | 17:41 |
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| ativelkov | I am working to fix the remaining issues about artifact filtering in glance | 17:42 |
| ativelkov | fixed two of them since the last update, one more relate | 17:42 |
| Nikolay_St | ok, good to know | 17:42 |
| ativelkov | Also, I've found an issue in python-glanceclient | 17:42 |
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| ativelkov | (as I expected we may start facing issues there as nobody before has ever used the v3 part of it) | 17:43 |
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| ativelkov | I've asked mfedosin for help with that | 17:43 |
| ativelkov | probably more help will be needed :) | 17:45 |
| Nikolay_St | #info 2 issues was fixed, one more to go. issue in glanceclient will be fixed by mfedoshin | 17:45 |
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| Nikolay_St | any other updates on this topic? | 17:45 |
| Nikolay_St | or any questions? | 17:46 |
| ativelkov | nope | 17:46 |
| Nikolay_St | ok, let's move further | 17:46 |
| Nikolay_St | #topic Allow (or not) public packages in package definitions-view in dashboard (kzaitsev) | 17:46 |
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| Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: please | 17:46 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213682/ | 17:46 |
| kzaitsev_mb | ok so there is this review | 17:46 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I suppose zhu.rong is not here | 17:46 |
| kzaitsev_mb | well. I still think we might discuss it anyway | 17:47 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I'll try to be quick | 17:47 |
| kzaitsev_mb | We've intentionally removed public packages from Pakcage Definitions view | 17:47 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | But now we've added (copied from glance dashboard) a filter with public,project, other packages | 17:47 |
| katyafervent2 | do you mean for non admin? | 17:48 |
| kzaitsev_mb | so this creates a rather wierd UX experience | 17:48 |
| kzaitsev_mb | yep | 17:48 |
| kzaitsev_mb | exactly — non-admin user can't see public packages on package-definitions, cause he can't edit them. | 17:48 |
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| Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: I run through your comments on review | 17:49 |
| ativelkov | package-definitions view is intended for edit only | 17:49 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Now we have a "Public" filter for him, which makes him think, that there should be public packages there, but there are not =/ | 17:49 |
| katyafervent2 | thats expected behaviour | 17:49 |
| ativelkov | why would anybody list non-editable things in the editor? | 17:49 |
| Nikolay_St | I guess we should remove "public" filter | 17:49 |
| kzaitsev_mb | ativelkov: katyafervent2: agree, but I feel that it creates negative UX | 17:49 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Nikolay_St: that's one option | 17:49 |
| StanLagun | we can rename it. Public -> My Public | 17:49 |
| kzaitsev_mb | other would be to list everything and forbid editing | 17:50 |
| ativelkov | kzaitsev_mb: imho, the "public,project, other" filter should not be part of package editor | 17:50 |
| ativelkov | it should be in catalog view | 17:50 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I can summ it up in a letter, since we're almos out of time | 17:50 |
| kzaitsev_mb | what do you think of that idea? | 17:50 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I feel the PREASSURE +))) | 17:51 |
| mgershenzon | +1 | 17:51 |
| kzaitsev_mb | mgershenzon: yep, I really want to allow you to have some time with your item ) | 17:51 |
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| mgershenzon | =) | 17:51 |
| Nikolay_St | +1 | 17:51 |
| ativelkov | agree | 17:52 |
| StanLagun | +1 to list all but grey out those that I don't own. But!!! I want to be able to export them since I can deploy them | 17:52 |
| noa_koffman | +1 | 17:52 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #action kzaitsev_mb summ up the UX concerns about the public/non-public packages on Package Definitions in ML | 17:52 |
| Nikolay_St | ok, next topic | 17:53 |
| kzaitsev_mb | phew ) | 17:53 |
| Nikolay_St | #topic Add support for heat environments | 17:53 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Add support for heat environments (Meeting topic: Murano)" | 17:53 | |
| mgershenzon | The API works well, you can review here #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211608/ | 17:53 |
| mgershenzon | The main risk is about the UI... | 17:53 |
| mgershenzon | When the spec was approved we agreed someone with more UI experience will find the time to help with the UI. I still think this is necessary. | 17:53 |
| Nikolay_St | mgershenzon: for sure. any volunteers? | 17:54 |
| mgershenzon | The API works well, you can review here #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211608/ | 17:54 |
| mgershenzon | The main risk is about the UI... | 17:54 |
| mgershenzon | When the spec was approved we agreed someone with more UI experience will find the time to help with the UI. I still think this is necessary. | 17:54 |
| mgershenzon | There are 3 main issues with current implementation: | 17:54 |
| mgershenzon | - when the hot template parameters has no defaults, the UI user must enter parameter values, even if there is an environment that already contains them. | 17:54 |
| mgershenzon | - when the hot template parameters has defaults and the user clear the defaults and leaves the fields empty, the UI still sends the parameters with null values. | 17:54 |
| mgershenzon | - the current implementation effects values validation. I believe slagun and ativelkov know the issue. | 17:54 |
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| mgershenzon | *StanLagun | 17:54 |
| ativelkov | Yup | 17:55 |
| ativelkov | I was looking at that | 17:55 |
| mgershenzon | =) | 17:55 |
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| StanLagun | ativelkov, I thought we had a solution for this | 17:56 |
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| StanLagun | but this requires dedicated BP/spec | 17:56 |
| mgershenzon | Sorry about the flood, I have written it in my phone in advance | 17:56 |
| StanLagun | :) | 17:56 |
| ativelkov | StanLagun: yup, but let's proceed step-by-step | 17:56 |
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| ativelkov | So, let's ensure that mgershenzon's patch does not break the current UI behavior | 17:57 |
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| ativelkov | I mean the one for HOT-based apps without the envs | 17:57 |
| ativelkov | and land the patch | 17:57 |
| StanLagun | yes | 17:57 |
| ativelkov | Then we may think about ways to improve it so env's may be selected in UI | 17:57 |
| StanLagun | I'm already doing changes in the HOt processor. So we better hurry with this | 17:58 |
| ativelkov | StanLagun: which changes? | 17:58 |
| StanLagun | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214163/ | 17:58 |
| StanLagun | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214163/3/murano/packages/hot_package.py | 17:58 |
| Nikolay_St | #action verify that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211608/ don't break anything then produce next steps with UI | 17:59 |
| Nikolay_St | guys, time | 17:59 |
| ativelkov | Ah, I see | 17:59 |
| ativelkov | Ok, so we are agreed on that | 17:59 |
| ativelkov | good | 17:59 |
| Nikolay_St | ok, good | 17:59 |
| ativelkov | time is up | 17:59 |
| StanLagun | who will do it? | 17:59 |
| ativelkov | I'll do the reviews | 18:00 |
| katyafervent2 | we can continue on #murano | 18:00 |
| Nikolay_St | time is up | 18:00 |
| ativelkov | thanks all | 18:00 |
| Nikolay_St | let's continue on #murano | 18:00 |
| Nikolay_St | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:00 | |
| mgershenzon | Thank you | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 18 18:00:44 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-08-18-17.01.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-08-18-17.01.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-08-18-17.01.log.html | 18:00 |
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| Nikolay_St | thanks all | 18:00 |
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| devkulkarni | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 18 21:00:16 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devkulkarni. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 21:00 |
| devkulkarni | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2015-08-18_2100_UTC agenda for today | 21:00 |
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| devkulkarni | #topic Roll Call | 21:00 |
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| devkulkarni | Devdatta Kulkarni | 21:00 |
| datsun180b | Ed Cranford | 21:00 |
| muralia | murali allada | 21:00 |
| gpilz1 | Gil Pilz | 21:00 |
| mkam | Melissa Kam | 21:01 |
| devkulkarni | hi ed, murali, gpilz, mkam | 21:01 |
| devkulkarni | nice to see you all :) | 21:01 |
| muralia | hey all. | 21:01 |
| devkulkarni | today adrian_otto is out | 21:01 |
| datsun180b | right back at you | 21:01 |
| devkulkarni | please take a few minutes to check our agenda | 21:02 |
| devkulkarni | I have mostly reviews to share/discuss today | 21:02 |
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| devkulkarni | I will go through the usual topics in any case | 21:02 |
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| devkulkarni | #topic Announcements | 21:02 |
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| devkulkarni | I don't have any | 21:02 |
| randallburt | oh hello there | 21:03 |
| devkulkarni | hi randallburt | 21:03 |
| devkulkarni | we are just getting started | 21:03 |
| randallburt | k | 21:03 |
| randallburt | sorry for being late | 21:03 |
| devkulkarni | nice to see you here | 21:03 |
| devkulkarni | no worries | 21:03 |
| devkulkarni | randallburt here is the agenda link for today: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2015-08-18_2100_UTC | 21:03 |
| randallburt | yep, caught up | 21:03 |
| devkulkarni | cool | 21:03 |
| devkulkarni | okay, since no announcements from anyone, moving on to next topic | 21:04 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Review Action Items | 21:04 |
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| devkulkarni | last week there were no action items | 21:05 |
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| devkulkarni | #topic Blueprint/Task Review and Discussion | 21:06 |
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| devkulkarni | ok, in this topic I have at least three subtopics | 21:06 |
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| devkulkarni | hi vijendar | 21:06 |
| vijendar | devkulkarni: hi | 21:06 |
| devkulkarni | folks please welcome vijendar to solum team meeting | 21:06 |
| muralia | hey hey welcome | 21:07 |
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| vijendar | thanks | 21:07 |
| devkulkarni | vijendar will be participating in solum related activities soon | 21:07 |
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| randallburt | o/ | 21:07 |
| datsun180b | cool | 21:07 |
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| devkulkarni | ok, so about review items.. | 21:08 |
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| devkulkarni | first one is this: | 21:08 |
| devkulkarni | (devkulkarni) Parsing ipv4 subnet-id from neutron. Please review (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213854/2) | 21:08 |
| devkulkarni | let me give bit of background on this one | 21:08 |
| devkulkarni | I was noticing that on devstack our app deployments had been failing with an error from heat | 21:08 |
| devkulkarni | to the effect 'bad floating-ip' | 21:08 |
| devkulkarni | and the floating-ip being reported was ipv6 ip | 21:09 |
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| devkulkarni | this was not a consistent error | 21:09 |
| devkulkarni | it was only ocassional | 21:09 |
| devkulkarni | after debugging a bit I realized that the subnet-id that we are picking from neutron has to be for the ipv4 subnet | 21:10 |
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| devkulkarni | in our code we were not checking this condition | 21:10 |
| devkulkarni | the above patch adds this check | 21:10 |
| devkulkarni | randallburt and muralia has reviewed it | 21:10 |
| devkulkarni | I need one more +2 on it | 21:10 |
| devkulkarni | randallburt: good points on the patch | 21:10 |
| randallburt | thanks | 21:11 |
| datsun180b | i can look | 21:11 |
| devkulkarni | thanks to you actually :) | 21:11 |
| devkulkarni | datsun180b: that will be helpful | 21:11 |
| randallburt | np, muralia found it first, I just ran off at the mouth more :) | 21:11 |
| muralia | :) | 21:11 |
| devkulkarni | oh, okay | 21:11 |
| devkulkarni | thanks to muralia in that case (and also to you randallburt) | 21:11 |
| devkulkarni | good to have you all keeping an eye on such things | 21:12 |
| devkulkarni | so datsun180b, take a look whenever you get a chance | 21:12 |
| devkulkarni | moving on to the next one.. | 21:12 |
| devkulkarni | (devkulkarni) Parsing IP address of server from Heat. Please review (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213940/) | 21:12 |
| devkulkarni | some background on this one.. | 21:13 |
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| devkulkarni | In Solum we need the ip address of the server created by heat | 21:13 |
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| devkulkarni | the parsing logic that we have implemented makes an assumption about the location of IP address. But turns out that that assumption is wrong. | 21:14 |
| devkulkarni | Heat returns two things as part of output_value — one is the IP address and another is the URL. | 21:14 |
| randallburt | yeah, never good to address outputs (or any key-value) by index in heat | 21:14 |
| devkulkarni | we don't want to pick the URL because | 21:14 |
| devkulkarni | in Solum we construct the URL ourselves (we need to do that because..) | 21:15 |
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| devkulkarni | an app may have multiple ports and we construct the url in the following format: http://<ip>:[port1, port2] etc. | 21:15 |
| devkulkarni | this is by design. | 21:15 |
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| devkulkarni | so, we want to parse only the IP address from heat output | 21:16 |
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| devkulkarni | and our current code was not checking whether what we are parsing is indeed the IP address or not | 21:16 |
| devkulkarni | so the above patch fixes this issue | 21:16 |
| devkulkarni | vijendar: you might want to take a look at this patch | 21:16 |
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| devkulkarni | randallburt, muralia: thanks for your reviews on this patch | 21:17 |
| vijendar | I am looking at that patch now | 21:17 |
| devkulkarni | vijendar: cool | 21:17 |
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| devkulkarni | datsun180b: if you get a chance please take a look at this one too | 21:17 |
| devkulkarni | it also needs one more +2 | 21:17 |
| datsun180b | pretty straightforward | 21:17 |
| devkulkarni | randallburt: good point about not depending on the order of key-values | 21:18 |
| devkulkarni | btw, both the above issues were cause of apps not getting deployed on devstack | 21:18 |
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| devkulkarni | mkam, randallburt: do you think our rackspace deployment would have been occasionally failing due to this issue as well? | 21:19 |
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| randallburt | devkulkarni: could be | 21:19 |
| devkulkarni | I think so too.. | 21:19 |
| randallburt | as I said, never guaranteed to get the right output using just an index | 21:19 |
| devkulkarni | yeah.. should remember that | 21:19 |
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| devkulkarni | randallburt: btw, thanks for suggesting to break up the review | 21:20 |
| devkulkarni | hopefully that helped in reviewing | 21:20 |
| devkulkarni | which brings me to the next item today.. | 21:21 |
| devkulkarni | (devkulkarni) Workflow resource related patches. Please review. | 21:21 |
| datsun180b | these will take a little more time | 21:21 |
| devkulkarni | yes.. | 21:21 |
| randallburt | nice breakdown though | 21:21 |
| devkulkarni | so I broke up ed's WIP workflow patch into three patches | 21:21 |
| devkulkarni | randallburt: thanks | 21:21 |
| devkulkarni | it was in anticipating your -1 to original patch :P | 21:22 |
| randallburt | lol | 21:22 |
| devkulkarni | on a serious note though.. the original workflow wip patch was about 400 lines | 21:22 |
| devkulkarni | without tests | 21:22 |
| devkulkarni | so I thought it will be good to just break it up into logical pieces | 21:23 |
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| devkulkarni | datsun180b: he he.. actually your WIP has been tremendously helpful | 21:23 |
| devkulkarni | no need to avoid eye contact :) | 21:23 |
| devkulkarni | muralia: I saw your comment about tests for the workflow_handler | 21:24 |
| devkulkarni | yes, I will add those | 21:24 |
| devkulkarni | right now I am in the middle of adding tests for the objects | 21:24 |
| muralia | cool. also, i added a lot of comments about using the app uuid instead of the app_id. | 21:24 |
| devkulkarni | oh right | 21:24 |
| devkulkarni | wanted to discuss about that | 21:24 |
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| devkulkarni | good that datsun180b is here too | 21:24 |
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| devkulkarni | I remember it was a conscious decision by datsun180b to suggest that we use id instead of uuid | 21:25 |
| devkulkarni | will be good to discuss that today | 21:25 |
| devkulkarni | datsun180b, randallburt: thoughts? | 21:25 |
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| devkulkarni | here are two points to consider | 21:25 |
| datsun180b | i think code inertia was one reason | 21:26 |
| devkulkarni | 1) uuids does not help indexing, but they are unique | 21:26 |
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| devkulkarni | 2) most of other solum objects have both id and uuid, and it has been sometimes confusing which one to use | 21:26 |
| devkulkarni | although in the api/cli it is clear that we prefer uuids | 21:27 |
| devkulkarni | like rest of the openstack services | 21:27 |
| muralia | yes. | 21:27 |
| devkulkarni | from the cli point of view | 21:28 |
| devkulkarni | I think having uuids is conforming to other services | 21:28 |
| datsun180b | agreed | 21:28 |
| devkulkarni | so I think that would make sense | 21:28 |
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| devkulkarni | datsun180b: was there some other reason that we did not add uuid to workflow models? | 21:29 |
| randallburt | sorry, was distracted. uuid | 21:29 |
| randallburt | its just how its done | 21:29 |
| datsun180b | devkulkarni: they have a uuid, but the field's called id | 21:29 |
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| datsun180b | at least i seem to recall that was the case at one point | 21:30 |
| devkulkarni | datsun180b: oh I see.. but that will get confusing | 21:30 |
| randallburt | so why both? one is a database id and one is the resource "id"? | 21:30 |
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| muralia | yes | 21:30 |
| devkulkarni | randallburt: was about to ask that.. do we need both? | 21:30 |
| datsun180b | i don't think we do | 21:30 |
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| datsun180b | doesn't do us much good to have the incrementing id | 21:30 |
| randallburt | in general, the resource key and what the user interacts with is called "id". If you have a separate identifier, it usually for db optimization of some sort or some other legacy hooey | 21:31 |
| datsun180b | ^ so call it id, but make it uuid-shaped? | 21:31 |
| randallburt | in heat, some things have database ids so that we can return them in the order they came in (like events and such) | 21:31 |
| devkulkarni | hmm.. thinking about it more.. actually keeping the autoincrementing id as another field is not bad | 21:31 |
| datsun180b | workflows should/will have a sequence id scoped to the parent app | 21:32 |
| randallburt | but on the user-side, they all have uuid "id"s as far as the api is concerned | 21:32 |
| randallburt | so that should sort that then, datsun180b | 21:32 |
| datsun180b | right, i think you and i agree randall | 21:32 |
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| devkulkarni | wait.. | 21:33 |
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| devkulkarni | are we saying that we will keep only one field in the workflow model — call it id, but which is shaped like uuid? | 21:33 |
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| devkulkarni | or are we saying we will keep two fields | 21:33 |
| datsun180b | that's what i thought i had in my wip | 21:33 |
| devkulkarni | id and uuid | 21:34 |
| devkulkarni | datsun180b: but how could a uuid be used as a sequence id? | 21:34 |
| datsun180b | well it can't | 21:34 |
| datsun180b | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/204164/3/solum/api/controllers/v1/datamodel/workflow.py does have id and uuid | 21:35 |
| datsun180b | my memory's a little foggy about it i guess | 21:35 |
| devkulkarni | okay, yes I see both of them | 21:35 |
| devkulkarni | which makes sense | 21:35 |
| devkulkarni | let me check back on the patches that I submitted | 21:35 |
| devkulkarni | may be I missed having both in my patches | 21:36 |
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| datsun180b | i guess keep them both, refer to them specifically in the code, but any time we ask a user for an "id" or give them an "id" it'll be 128 bits in hexadecimal | 21:36 |
| devkulkarni | yes, that makes sense | 21:36 |
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| devkulkarni | muralia, randallburt: thoughts? | 21:36 |
| datsun180b | in the case of workflow we will need to maintain an order | 21:37 |
| muralia | sure. thats what we are doing with other resources too. i was hoping we can remove the id and then change the other resources to use only uuids later | 21:37 |
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| devkulkarni | muralia: I see. I think for indexing reasons it will be good to keep the ids around | 21:38 |
| muralia | ok. | 21:38 |
| devkulkarni | datsun180b: what do you mean by need to maintain order for workflows for an app? | 21:39 |
| devkulkarni | would be referring to "give me logs of the 3rd workflow for this app"? | 21:39 |
| datsun180b | right, that's the case | 21:39 |
| devkulkarni | or would we rather say — "give me logs of the workflow-id for this app"? | 21:39 |
| datsun180b | my client wip covers both of those | 21:39 |
| devkulkarni | datsun180b: I see. | 21:40 |
| datsun180b | the idealized future included actions like "deploy the build from WF 35" | 21:40 |
| devkulkarni | in any case, as long as we have autoincrementing ids we should be able to satisfy the ordered indexing | 21:40 |
| devkulkarni | datsun180b: yes. | 21:41 |
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| devkulkarni | great discussion.. any more thoughts on this topic? | 21:41 |
| datsun180b | so your patches are intended to be merged i take it | 21:42 |
| datsun180b | they're not wips, that is? | 21:42 |
| devkulkarni | which ones? | 21:42 |
| devkulkarni | the workflow ones? | 21:42 |
| devkulkarni | they are not yet ready ready | 21:42 |
| devkulkarni | I need to add tests | 21:42 |
| datsun180b | the WF ones (the IP ones are merging already) | 21:42 |
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| devkulkarni | I can mark them as WIPs | 21:42 |
| datsun180b | likely a good idea | 21:42 |
| devkulkarni | doing that now | 21:42 |
| datsun180b | i do want to mention that since my fingerprints are on them i don't know that i should give them any +2s | 21:43 |
| devkulkarni | datsun180b: makes sense | 21:43 |
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| devkulkarni | james_li is out today | 21:43 |
| devkulkarni | but I will be reaching out to him for reviewing them | 21:43 |
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| devkulkarni | datsun180b: btw, I marked your client patch as WIP | 21:44 |
| devkulkarni | so that we don't accidentally merge it | 21:44 |
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| datsun180b | saw that. do you want me to keep the solum WIP up, or do you have what you need from it already? | 21:44 |
| datsun180b | the client one still has its use | 21:45 |
| devkulkarni | I would like to have the solum WIP up just a bit longer | 21:45 |
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| datsun180b | that's an easy wish to grant | 21:45 |
| randallburt | you can abandon it and it won't go away | 21:45 |
| devkulkarni | it is easier to go back to check on things as everything is a single patch | 21:45 |
| datsun180b | good point, randall | 21:45 |
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| devkulkarni | any other reviews to discuss? | 21:46 |
| devkulkarni | I would have liked to discuss james_li's bash-to-python patches | 21:46 |
| devkulkarni | but he is not around today | 21:47 |
| devkulkarni | randallburt, vijendar: for those patches are are blocked on changes to config generator | 21:47 |
| devkulkarni | have any ideas/insights on tackling the config generator issues? | 21:47 |
| devkulkarni | we don't have to discuss it today though.. just wanted to check | 21:48 |
| devkulkarni | s/are are/we are/ | 21:48 |
| devkulkarni | lets take that up when james_li is around | 21:49 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Open Discussion | 21:49 |
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| randallburt | k. config generator is aweful and a bear to deal with | 21:49 |
| randallburt | so, who's excited about "blueprints" vs the other stuff we discussed for pluggable deployers? | 21:50 |
| devkulkarni | randallburt: :) .. hopefully it won't be too much of an issue | 21:50 |
| devkulkarni | randallburt: oh that's right | 21:50 |
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| devkulkarni | we have that topic to discuss as well | 21:50 |
| devkulkarni | let me refresh the options we have | 21:50 |
| devkulkarni | so everyone — we are discuss about this spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202254/3/specs/liberty/deployer_plugins.rst | 21:51 |
| randallburt | blueprint, templates (boo!), layout, pattern, and something else | 21:51 |
| devkulkarni | the issue is what to call the heat templates for different "architectural flavors" that solum will support | 21:51 |
| datsun180b | is it too late to propose "kung fu style" | 21:52 |
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| gpilz1 | "crouching tiger" | 21:52 |
| randallburt | lol, winner | 21:53 |
| datsun180b | "snake in eagle's shadow" | 21:53 |
| devkulkarni | randallburt: my objection to blueprint is that it also has a meaning in openstack ecosystem | 21:53 |
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| datsun180b | i do agree that blueprint has a prior context | 21:53 |
| randallburt | devkulkarni: only to us developers. not to users | 21:53 |
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| devkulkarni | sure.. what are your thoughts on 'topology'? | 21:53 |
| datsun180b | barf | 21:53 |
| randallburt | oh yeah, that one. I like it less than blueprint | 21:54 |
| devkulkarni | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202254/2/specs/liberty/deployer_plugins.rst | 21:54 |
| gpilz1 | 'schematic' ? | 21:54 |
| devkulkarni | check the comments | 21:54 |
| devkulkarni | architecture schematic? | 21:54 |
| devkulkarni | in that sense? | 21:54 |
| gpilz1 | yeah | 21:54 |
| datsun180b | well for serious topology is probably the most apt of the terms | 21:54 |
| datsun180b | and it has the least amount of baggage | 21:55 |
| devkulkarni | datsun180b: +1 and +1 | 21:55 |
| randallburt | in the end, we can bikeshed forever. lets pick topology as the least offensive and give it a go. | 21:55 |
| devkulkarni | randallburt: agreed | 21:55 |
| datsun180b | +80 randallburt | 21:55 |
| randallburt | ok, I'll update in the next few days and hopefully we can get it accepted | 21:55 |
| devkulkarni | randallburt: awesome!! looking forward to it | 21:56 |
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| devkulkarni | randallburt: on a related note.. jvrbanac recently was mentioning that he has a plugin library that is an improvement on stevedore | 21:56 |
| devkulkarni | jvrbanac: you around? | 21:56 |
| devkulkarni | looks like jvrbanac is not around | 21:57 |
| randallburt | imo that's a debate for a patchset. I'm dubious as to what's been "improved" and what deficiencies if any are addressed. | 21:58 |
| devkulkarni | randallburt: in any case, thought of mentioning it here as we were discussing about stevedore | 21:58 |
| randallburt | not looking forward to library wars tbh | 21:58 |
| devkulkarni | randallburt: fair enough | 21:58 |
| randallburt | cool. I look forward to the internet arguments :) | 21:58 |
| devkulkarni | ha ha | 21:58 |
| devkulkarni | anything else for today? | 21:59 |
| randallburt | its time anyway | 21:59 |
| devkulkarni | yeah | 21:59 |
| devkulkarni | thanks all for joining today. great discussion today. | 22:00 |
| devkulkarni | see you next week | 22:00 |
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| devkulkarni | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-08-18-21.00.html | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-08-18-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
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