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matrohon	hi all	15:00
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* pc_m lurking and multitasking		15:00
matrohon	pc_m : welcome	15:00
pc_m	matrohon: hi	15:00
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pcarver	hi	15:01
janscheurich	hi	15:01
matrohon	hi pcarver janscheurich	15:01
matrohon	doude around?	15:01
matrohon	#startmeeting bgpvpn	15:02
openstack	Meeting started Tue Aug 25 15:02:01 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is matrohon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	15:02
openstack	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.	15:02
doude	Hi!	15:02
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openstack	The meeting name has been set to 'bgpvpn'	15:02
doude	matrohon: yes	15:02
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matrohon	#topic : announcement	15:02
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matrohon	not much to announce for me	15:02
matrohon	any one?	15:02
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matrohon	ok let's move to the next topic	15:03
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matrohon	#topic : split to attachment extension	15:04
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matrohon	so we had an interesting discussion on the ML this week	15:04
matrohon	#link https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org&q=subject:%22Re\%3A+\[openstack\-dev\]+\[Neutron\][bgpvpn\]+Service+Plugin+vs+Service%09driver%22&o=newest	15:04
matrohon	I proposed to split attachment to extension, but as salv-orlando said, it doesn't seem to be a good idea	15:05
matrohon	we would end up having different API depending on the backend	15:05
janscheurich	matrohon: what was your conclusion of the discussion?	15:06
matrohon	I leaning toward implementing the API described in the spec	15:06
matrohon	and start by implementing the network attachment	15:07
matrohon	for every backend, since it is also targeted by ODL	15:07
janscheurich	+1, but we will implement the Router attachment in the API and leave it to drivers to reject it as unsupported?	15:08
matrohon	once it works with net attachment, we can start coding the router attachment	15:08
matrohon	but I think that every backend are able to manage router attachments	15:09
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pcarver	I think that makes sense. We want to eventually converge on similar functionality across backends, but obviously we can't dictate what the backends currently support.	15:09
janscheurich	+1 for ODL	15:09
pcarver	By providing a Neutron API that describes what should be supported we provide motivation for the backends to develop that support.	15:09
matrohon	pcarver, +1	15:10
matrohon	the issue is for nuage, which is not compatible with net attachment for the moment	15:10
matrohon	so it seems that nuage won't provide a driver for the first releases of bgpvpn	15:10
janscheurich	And we stick to the service driver plugin architecture?	15:11
pcarver	matrohon: or perhaps wishful thinking, but Nuage could provide people to help develop the router attachment part in parallel	15:11
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matrohon	pcarver, +100 :)	15:11
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pcarver	Then, if they can enhance their backend they'd have the advantage of being the first to support both options	15:12
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matrohon	pcaraver : with the ref implementation : bagpipe :)	15:12
matrohon	and ODL probably	15:12
matrohon	ok let's agree on that :	15:13
matrohon	#info : we focus on a implementing the network attachment first, supported by every backends included in tree	15:14
matrohon	#topic : service driver vs service plugin	15:14
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matrohon	this was the main point of the ML thread	15:15
matrohon	I discussed with doude who started to implement the contrail backend	15:15
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matrohon	we agreed on salv-orlando proposal :	15:15
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matrohon	having a standalone plugin for contrail and a generic plugin that loads one driver	15:16
matrohon	for other backends	15:16
salv-orlando	did I ever made a proposal?	15:16
matrohon	salv-orlando, yes you did ^	15:17
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matrohon	salv-orlando, thanks for this proposal :) it make sense for the bgpvpn project	15:17
matrohon	the generic plugin will provide db persistency before calling the driver	15:18
matrohon	does it make sense for everyone?	15:18
janscheurich	Will it also clean up the DB if the call to the driver fails?	15:19
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matrohon	janscheurich, this is the tricky part, ML2 had the same issue...	15:19
janscheurich	I know. We need to have compatible approaches with ML2 to be able to talk to the same backend from different plugins	15:20
matrohon	janscheurich, AFAIR ML2 proposal was to retry untill the backend works	15:20
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matrohon	janscheurich, we have to check what is done in ML2	15:21
janscheurich	matrohon: agree!	15:21
matrohon	doude, are you ok, for a standalone contrail plugin	15:22
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matrohon	?	15:22
doude	yes, I am	15:22
janscheurich	I will check with our ML2/ODL experts	15:22
doude	we need to revert the patch I merged to split driver in two categories	15:22
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matrohon	#info : contrail will implement its own bgpvpn plugin, while ODL and backend will whare a generic plugin to consistently manage the db layer	15:23
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matrohon	#topic : backend impelmentation	15:23
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matrohon	#undo	15:24
openstack	Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0xa41b4d0>	15:24
matrohon	#topic : backend implementation	15:24
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matrohon	any update fot the implementation of the ODL driver	15:24
matrohon	janscheurich, ^	15:24
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janscheurich	matrohon: Not yet. We are currently planning the work in the team; ODL driver and ODL Neutron North-bound	15:26
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matrohon	janscheurich, thanks for the update	15:26
janscheurich	Work will start very soon	15:26
matrohon	doude, any update for the contrail plugin?	15:27
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doude	matrohon: I'm close to finish it, but it was in standby during the last 3 weeks. I hope to propose a review in a week	15:28
matrohon	doude : great!	15:28
matrohon	nothing new for bagpipe :)	15:29
doude	I also start a dicussion with the OpenContrail community to add the bgpvpn_connection resource to Contrail data model	15:29
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matrohon	doude : do you have a link to a ML thread?	15:29
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doude	so the BGPVPN Contrail plugin will be dependent to a recent Contrail version	15:29
doude	matrohon: I just discuss that on IRC for the moment but I plan to send an email on the Contrail mailing list	15:30
matrohon	doude : ok	15:30
matrohon	doude : put me in the loop if needed	15:30
doude	sure	15:30
doude	thanks	15:31
matrohon	#topic : bugs and blueprints	15:31
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matrohon	I keep on working on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+spec/split-association-api	15:32
matrohon	I'm about to push the db layer	15:32
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janscheurich	I would also like to resume the discussion of the static routes discussion because we will need it for the network attachment.	15:34
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janscheurich	*blueprint	15:34
janscheurich	who is interested?	15:34
matrohon	this bp ? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+spec/static-routes	15:34
janscheurich	yes. we can take that off-line also	15:35
matrohon	janscheurich, ok	15:36
matrohon	#topic : open discussion	15:36
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janscheurich	Please add you comments proposals to the wiki	15:36
matrohon	janscheurich, do you mean etherpad?	15:37
janscheurich	sorry, etherpad of course	15:38
matrohon	anyone wants to discuss anything else?	15:38
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janscheurich	matrohon: no	15:39
matrohon	ok so let's en the meeting	15:39
matrohon	thanks everyone	15:39
matrohon	#endmeeting	15:39
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openstack	Meeting ended Tue Aug 25 15:39:58 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)	15:40
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janscheurich	Thanks and bye!	15:40
doude	thanks bye	15:40
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sergmelikyan	#startmeeting murano	17:00
openstack	Meeting started Tue Aug 25 17:00:08 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sergmelikyan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	17:00
openstack	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.	17:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: murano)"		17:00
openstack	The meeting name has been set to 'murano'	17:00
sergmelikyan	o/	17:00
StanLagun	o/	17:00
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kzaitsev_mb	o/	17:01
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FilipBlaha	Hi	17:01
vahidh	Hi	17:01
sergmelikyan	Agenda for today's meeting can be found here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda	17:01
katyafervent2	hi	17:01
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kzaitsev_mb	#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda/Archive/2015-08-25/	17:02
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sergmelikyan	#topic Action Items Review	17:04
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sergmelikyan	#1 fix yaql legacy mode and release yaql rc3 after successful deployment	17:04
sergmelikyan	I believe it's done :) We even have 1.0.0 release ready :)	17:05
sergmelikyan	#2 kzaitsev_mb sum-up the UX concerns about the public/non-public packages on Package Definitions in ML	17:05
kzaitsev_mb	sergmelikyan: yep, done. I believe we even have a commit, that fixes the ux issues	17:06
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sergmelikyan	kzaitsev_mb: link?	17:06
kzaitsev_mb	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/216720/	17:06
kzaitsev_mb	was looking up =)	17:06
kzaitsev_mb	hm	17:07
kzaitsev_mb	and haven't reviewed it	17:07
kzaitsev_mb	it actually doesn't do what we agreed to do	17:07
kzaitsev_mb	I thought we agreed to remove the filter completely..	17:07
sergmelikyan	kzaitsev_mb: and looks like commit needs to be rebased	17:07
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kzaitsev_mb	sergmelikyan: everything needs to be rebased right now =)	17:08
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sergmelikyan	kzaitsev_mb: I would appreciate your feedback on this commit	17:08
sergmelikyan	kzaitsev_mb: yaql?	17:08
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kzaitsev_mb	I mean, have you seen the queue?	17:09
sergmelikyan	not yet :) It's morning here :)	17:09
kzaitsev_mb	we have like a dozen of patches red, that should turn green, since yaql landed	17:09
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sergmelikyan	I caught a cold on a weekend, so was sleeping until hour ago :(	17:09
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sergmelikyan	fever and sore throat... I hate it %)	17:10
kzaitsev_mb	bummer	17:10
kzaitsev_mb	get well soon =)	17:10
sergmelikyan	kzaitsev_mb: thx :)	17:10
sergmelikyan	I bought a ton of different stuff for cold, let's how it's working :)	17:11
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sergmelikyan	#3 verify that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211608/ don't break anything then produce next steps with UI	17:11
sergmelikyan	I don't see reviews on latest patch-sets...	17:11
StanLagun	and it also need to be rebased to new engine code	17:12
sergmelikyan	katyafervent & kzaitsev_mb have folks checked this commit?	17:12
sergmelikyan	StanLagun: I propose to discuss next steps regarding yaql that we need to take after commits were landed	17:13
kzaitsev_mb	sergmelikyan: hmmm, I think I haven't will look into it sooner this week	17:13
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sergmelikyan	mm?	17:13
* sergmelikyan didn't get the sentence		17:14
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StanLagun	sergmelikyan: this is not about yaql. It is just that environment support is in merge conflict	17:14
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kzaitsev_mb	I mean I haven't looked into the patch, but will do this week	17:15
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sergmelikyan	kzaitsev_mb: thx!	17:16
sergmelikyan	#topic Migrating to yaql 1.0 status	17:16
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sergmelikyan	StanLagun: so where we are regarding yaql?	17:16
katyafervent2	is it logging api? i think we need unit tests for that	17:17
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sergmelikyan	katyafervent2: mmm?	17:18
StanLagun	yaql 1.0.0 has been released, new python-muranoclient as well. New engine with yaql 1.0 was landed today. Dashboar support for 1.0 is waiting in zuul queue for dwsm job to become green	17:18
* sergmelikyan feels stupid		17:18
StanLagun	there might be some regressions. One known regression is that congress dwsm job is red. The fixxing commit is also waiting in zuul	17:18
katyafervent2	just commit to the dashboard left to merge	17:19
katyafervent2	i've updated it today	17:19
kzaitsev_mb	so we can finally remove this item from our weekly meetings! =)	17:19
StanLagun	dashboard is stack in zuul for 2 hours already	17:19
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StanLagun	stuck	17:20
kzaitsev_mb	And we should retrigger all the things! )	17:21
sergmelikyan	StanLagun: it's just waiting it's turn to be checked or something is wrong?	17:21
sergmelikyan	kzaitsev_mb: lol :)	17:21
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StanLagun	as for now 4/5 jobs are green one in queued	17:21
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sergmelikyan	let's move to the next topic?	17:23
sergmelikyan	#topic Artifact (glance v3) transition status update	17:23
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katyafervent2	sorry, my internet is slow	17:23
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kzaitsev_mb	since ativelkov is not here, Serg, can you maybe tell us few words about the procedure of migrating towards artifacts?	17:24
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kzaitsev_mb	From what I know — 1) we're going to copy-paste some of v3 client functionality into muranoclient	17:24
sergmelikyan	kzaitsev_mb: I believe latest update on the mailing list, we agreed to develop new glance client functionality in future branch and copy to murano client for now	17:25
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sergmelikyan	support for Artifact Repository should be considered experimental for Liberty	17:26
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sergmelikyan	#topic Add support for heat environments status	17:28
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mgershen	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211608/	17:29
sergmelikyan	mgershen: I see that we need to wait until commit is going to be re-checked :)	17:29
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mgershen	yes, but from what I hear here, I am optimistic :)	17:29
sergmelikyan	StanLagun: You need to check out this commit :) Looks good for me, but I may be missing something :)	17:30
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mgershen	also there were good feedbacks, even with jenkins and murano-ci giving -1	17:30
StanLagun	mgershen: please rebase it first	17:30
kzaitsev_mb	mgershen: yep, new engine forze almoust everything for a couple of days, but since it landed we're going to review the patches faster, hopefully +)	17:30
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mgershen	StanLagun: OK I will	17:31
katyafervent2	yeah, ping us in irc if needed	17:31
mgershen	kzaitsev_mb: +1 for that :)	17:31
mgershen	katyafervent2: you are so kind, I will	17:32
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mgershen	I think we should be able to close it by the feature freeze	17:32
sergmelikyan	I believe so	17:33
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mgershen	I have no more updates :)	17:34
sergmelikyan	#topic Open Mitaka spec branch? (kzaitsev_mb)	17:34
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sergmelikyan	I think we can create folder for Mitaka specs in murano-specs	17:35
Nikolay_St	isn't it too early?	17:35
kzaitsev_mb	I think we have a couple of specs and/or bps that we're definitelly not going to land in L	17:35
Nikolay_St	I'm a little bit out of dates :(	17:35
sergmelikyan	Nikolay_St: I would say it's kinda late	17:36
kzaitsev_mb	so opening M specs looks like a nice idea, to continue that work	17:36
katyafervent2	i have one spec for M	17:36
kzaitsev_mb	see! =)	17:36
sergmelikyan	kzaitsev_mb: go ahead and create folder for Mitaka in murano-specs :)	17:36
kzaitsev_mb	we can start contributing early =)	17:36
katyafervent2	i can do the commit tommorow	17:36
mgershen	and feature freeze is next week, so +1	17:37
kzaitsev_mb	#agreed open M spec folder	17:37
kzaitsev_mb	will do =)	17:37
mgershen	by the way will there be a spec freeze in M?	17:37
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sergmelikyan	mgershen: we didn't yet introduced spec freeze for our project	17:38
mgershen	OK, so never mind	17:38
kzaitsev_mb	mgershen: Well, if we start early — we might actually have all the specs in place in time =)	17:38
sergmelikyan	#topic Open Discussion	17:41
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vahidh	sergmelikyan: Thanks. I just wanted to thank those who reviewed the latest tosca support spec (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194422) and kindly ask for a few more reviews so we can finalize it and start coding asap :)	17:42
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sergmelikyan	vahidh: not merged spec technically doesn't block from coding, though I agree - this spec requires more reviews given a lot's of comments from StanLagun previously	17:44
katyafervent2	vahidh, you can start coding already)	17:44
katyafervent2	i think there will be no more major comments	17:44
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vahidh	sure, I just wanted to make sure Stan has no major disagreement with what's in there	17:45
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sergmelikyan	StanLagun: can you take a look?	17:48
StanLagun	vahidh: I haven't reviewed last spec version. Sorry. Though I don't expect any issues since we have agreed already	17:48
sergmelikyan	StanLagun: we spent some time with vahidh few weeks ago going through spec, it would be awesome if you would take a look.	17:49
StanLagun	1 week to HCF is a tough time :) HCF is coming... (c) :)	17:49
sergmelikyan	:D	17:49
vahidh	StanLagun: great. I'll move on with learning the code and taking on the action items. thanks :)	17:49
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StanLagun	since it is not going to land in L can we postpone it until HCF?	17:50
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StanLagun	I mean the implementation is not ready	17:51
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StanLagun	we can merge spec for M	17:51
vahidh	StanLagun: sure, but since my boss is pushing for it, I'll start with the coding and wait for your review when you get a chance	17:51
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StanLagun	promise to review everything on the gerrit. Just lets leave things that doesn't have to land before HCF until HCF happens. Which is just one week away	17:53
vahidh	great, thank you. I understand.	17:54
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sergmelikyan	#endmeeting	17:56
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openstack	Meeting ended Tue Aug 25 17:56:31 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)	17:56
openstack	Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-08-25-17.00.html	17:56
openstack	Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-08-25-17.00.txt	17:56
openstack	Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-08-25-17.00.log.html	17:56
Nikolay_St	bye!	17:56
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sputnik13	hello	17:56
abitha	hi	17:57
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mgershen	bye!	17:57
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sputnik13	#startmeeting cue	18:01
openstack	Meeting started Tue Aug 25 18:01:10 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sputnik13. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	18:01
openstack	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.	18:01
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openstack	The meeting name has been set to 'cue'	18:01
sputnik13	hello hello, long time no see	18:01
dkalleg	o/	18:01
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sputnik13	at least virtually :)	18:01
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sputnik13	o/	18:01
vipul	o/	18:01
abitha	o/	18:01
vipul	what up	18:01
sputnik13	we're going to try and accelerate the meeting today, we don't have much to discuss but we do have action items	18:01
sputnik13	from the previous meeting	18:01
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sputnik13	davide and esmute not joining today I guess	18:02
sputnik13	it's fine we have 4 of 6, that's quorum as far as I'm concerned	18:02
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sputnik13	#topic Action Items	18:03
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sputnik13	#note AI #1 sputnik13 to fill in details for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cue/+spec/kafka	18:03
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davideagnello	o/	18:03
sputnik13	not done yet, low on priority list, I expect this will be raised in priority if the talk about kafka gets accepted for tokyo :)	18:04
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sputnik13	#action sputnik13 to fill in details for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cue/+spec/kafka	18:04
sputnik13	#note sputnik13 to follow up on confirming https://bugs.launchpad.net/cue/+bug/1429304	18:05
openstack	Launchpad bug 1429304 in Cue "Error 400 Bad Request when adding a limit to the cluster list URL" [Wishlist,Incomplete] - Assigned to Steve Leon (steve-leon)	18:05
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sputnik13	this bug was reclassified to wishlist during the last meeting	18:05
sputnik13	so I'd say that's closed	18:05
sputnik13	#note dkalleg to provide details in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cue/+spec/status regarding more accurate rabbitmq status check	18:05
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sputnik13	dkalleg, I see no additional details, so please provide more details before the next meeting	18:05
sputnik13	#action dkalleg to provide details in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cue/+spec/status regarding more accurate rabbitmq status check	18:06
sputnik13	#note AI#4 davideagnello and esmute_ to resolve issues with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201285	18:06
dkalleg	Ok	18:06
davideagnello	that's done	18:06
davideagnello	and merged	18:06
sputnik13	yup	18:06
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sputnik13	so, that's closed	18:06
sputnik13	#note AI #5 esmute_ to add a non-voting python3 check to CI	18:06
sputnik13	python3 check is in gerrit CI, and it's non-voting	18:07
sputnik13	so that's closed	18:07
davideagnello	another issue came up where changes in Rally require some small refactoring to our rally scenarios, I am making the necessary changes hopefully this week	18:07
sputnik13	ok	18:07
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sputnik13	#note AI #6 davideagnello to file a BP for https://bugs.launchpad.net/cue/+bug/1438939	18:07
openstack	Launchpad bug 1438939 in Cue "Cue CLI cluster list fields should show cluster size" [Wishlist,New]	18:07
sputnik13	davideagnello was the BP filed?	18:08
davideagnello	no, it was faster to make the fix	18:08
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davideagnello	it got merged last week I believe	18:08
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davideagnello	link# https://review.openstack.org/#/c/210043/	18:09
davideagnello	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/210043/	18:09
sputnik13	davideagnello it's not just a matter of adding the fields, I believe we said file a BP so that we can document what is being exposed and so it can be a place for us to discuss what else should be added	18:09
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sputnik13	there's still network_id and flavor that are question marked in the ticket, please create the blueprint, you can just copy and paste what's in the ticket	18:10
sputnik13	:P	18:10
davideagnello	sputnik13: ok, will add a new blueprint with the left changes	18:11
sputnik13	#action davideagnello to file a BP for https://bugs.launchpad.net/cue/+bug/1438939	18:11
openstack	Launchpad bug 1438939 in Cue "Cue CLI cluster list fields should show cluster size" [Wishlist,New]	18:11
sputnik13	ok that's it for outstanding actions	18:11
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sputnik13	#topic Discussion Topics	18:12
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sputnik13	any discussion topics?	18:12
sputnik13	no?	18:12
abitha	nope	18:12
dkalleg	No	18:13
sputnik13	... I will take the silence as a negative	18:13
sputnik13	ok, that is all for today's agenda, thank you everyone :)	18:13
sputnik13	#endmeeting	18:13
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings \|\| https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings"		18:13
davideagnello	sputnik13: blueprint added: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cue/+spec/cluster-list :)	18:13
openstack	Meeting ended Tue Aug 25 18:13:51 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)	18:13
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sputnik13	davideagnello too late you have an action!!	18:14
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sputnik13	:)	18:14
vipul	none from me	18:14
davideagnello	lol oh no	18:14
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karume	hi	18:51
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apuimedo	devvesa: are you sure it is this channel :P ?	19:06
devvesa	apuimedo: yes. Just connected	19:07
devvesa	But I am not sure now :)	19:07
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devvesa	apuimedo: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TripleO#Weekly_TripleO_team_meeting	19:08
apuimedo	:-P	19:08
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apuimedo	devvesa: "every other week" I hope it is this week and not next one	19:08
slagle	hi folks, sorry i'm late	19:09
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slagle	#startmeeting tripleo	19:10
openstack	Meeting started Tue Aug 25 19:10:12 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is slagle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	19:10
openstack	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.	19:10
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slagle	anyone still around? :)	19:10
apuimedo	slagle: I am	19:11
apuimedo	karume: and devvesa too	19:11
slagle	apuimedo: hi	19:11
karume	hi slagle	19:11
slagle	we usually run through a pre set agenda, do some bug triage, etc	19:11
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slagle	#topic agenda	19:12
slagle	* bugs	19:12
slagle	* reviews	19:12
slagle	* Projects needing releases	19:12
slagle	* CI	19:12
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slagle	* Specs	19:12
slagle	* open discussion	19:12
slagle	#topic bugs	19:12
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slagle	so, i haven't done the bug triage in a while, so i suspect there are many untriaged bugs...	19:12
slagle	#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/	19:12
apuimedo	slagle: we are here from MidoNet. We'd like to integrate with Tripleo	19:13
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apuimedo	I believe devvesa has been talking to some of you	19:13
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slagle	apuimedo: indeed	19:14
slagle	apuimedo: there was a thread on openstack-dev i believe	19:14
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apuimedo	slagle: ah, devvesa is back :-)	19:14
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slagle	i see the filed blueprint. we don't use the blueprint workflow much, but i'm happy to go with it if it's useful to track this work	19:15
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slagle	overall, the highlevel plan sounds reasonable and correct to me	19:16
devvesa	slagle: how is the workflow you use? we can change it	19:16
slagle	did you have any followup points for discussion about it?	19:16
apuimedo	slagle: what do you use instead?	19:16
apuimedo	spec?	19:16
devvesa	slagle: I'm afraid we still have to start :/	19:17
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slagle	we were using specs for a while, but they were a little heavyweight, honestly, we haven't been using anything other than tracking some work in some etherpads	19:17
apuimedo	well, we were waiting to confirm that the blueprint is okay and will be accepted	19:17
apuimedo	to kick off the work on the items that were discussed in the ml	19:18
slagle	apuimedo: ok i see. i think the blueprint is fine and the work will be accepted	19:18
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slagle	i can't think of much reason anyone would really be opposed to it	19:18
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apuimedo	slagle: very well, thanks	19:19
devvesa	just for keep track...	19:19
devvesa	#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tripleo/+spec/midonet-deployment-support	19:19
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apuimedo	in that case, it would be useful to know the busiest hours in the irc channel and contacts for discussing?	19:20
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slagle	it's usually around 11:00 - 16:00 UTC	19:21
slagle	that's the afternoon for european folks, and the morning for north america folks	19:21
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slagle	not sure what timezone you all are in	19:22
apuimedo	same as the Brno office	19:22
slagle	ok	19:22
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devvesa	yep. CEST	19:22
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slagle	looking at the blueprint...one other thing you might need is puppet module support to configure the backend	19:23
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apuimedo	slagle: you mean puppet-neutron support?	19:23
slagle	apuimedo: yes. do you know if that's already there?	19:23
apuimedo	let me check	19:24
apuimedo	now I don't know if we have it merged already	19:24
devvesa	yes, it is	19:24
devvesa	it was merged during kilo lifecycle, and even backported to Juno after that	19:24
apuimedo	great	19:24
devvesa	https://github.com/openstack/puppet-neutron/blob/master/manifests/plugins/midonet.pp	19:25
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slagle	yea, i just saw that :)	19:25
slagle	so cool, that part looks done	19:25
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devvesa	we do have even the puppet module that installs the midonet SDN controller: https://forge.puppetlabs.com/midonet/midonet	19:26
apuimedo	slagle: is there any other component that has recently followed this path, so we could check how it went?	19:26
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devvesa	apuimedo: in the mail attached on the blueprint we have urls to cisco reviews	19:26
apuimedo	oh, I missed it	19:27
slagle	yea, the cisco n1kv support	19:27
slagle	https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201398/	19:27
devvesa	well, actually a link to a mail that has these urls	19:27
devvesa	:)	19:27
devvesa	that will be so helpful	19:27
devvesa	since we are kind of noobs on tripleo	19:27
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apuimedo	not kind of	19:27
apuimedo	total noobs	19:27
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apuimedo	at least I am	19:28
apuimedo	;-)	19:28
devvesa	hahaha. yes we are, but I didn't want to seem so ignorant in front of so many people	19:28
slagle	we can help you all along :)	19:29
apuimedo	slagle: thanks for the pointer to that review and the help offer ;-)	19:29
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apuimedo	when is the tripleo code freeze?	19:29
slagle	apuimedo: there isn't one	19:30
slagle	tripleo doesn't follow the integrated release cycle dates	19:30
slagle	everything is independently released	19:30
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apuimedo	slagle: I see	19:30
apuimedo	so we could be "released" as soon as we are done, is that right?	19:31
apuimedo	give or take a week :P	19:31
slagle	apuimedo: yes, more or less. obviously there will be a code review process, etc	19:31
apuimedo	sure, I meant once that is done	19:31
slagle	but we can cut releases of our projects whenever we want	19:31
apuimedo	I guess there is some tagging	19:32
apuimedo	etc	19:32
devvesa	also we should set up some kind of 'third-party' jenkins job	19:32
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apuimedo	slagle: devvesa: what are teh requirements for that?	19:32
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slagle	apuimedo: well, we've not had 3rd party ci in tripleo before, so it'd be a learnign experience for everyone :)	19:34
slagle	tripleo ci is a little different from other openstack ci	19:34
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slagle	we have our own rack of servers running an openstack cloud just for tripleo	19:34
devvesa	yes. I understand that there is no standard 'third-party' infrastructure, and we should provide a jenkins job in hour infrastructure that listens gerrit patches	19:35
devvesa	s/hour/our	19:35
slagle	this is because of the requirements of tripleo to be able to create vm's with kvm virtualization, etc	19:35
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slagle	and test pxe provisioning, etc	19:35
devvesa	and, even it can not vote, it should be able to comment	19:35
devvesa	slagle: it has to be hard to test	19:35
slagle	is the midonet code open source?	19:36
apuimedo	slagle: so how do the cisco guys aforementioned have it?	19:36
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apuimedo	I thought the third party ci was a requirement	19:36
devvesa	slagle: yes. it is	19:36
slagle	apuimedo: it's not a requirement	19:36
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slagle	it's a nice to have	19:36
apuimedo	slagle: I see	19:36
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apuimedo	and that is happening now on RH infra?	19:37
apuimedo	slagle: it is all open source ;-)	19:37
slagle	yes, it's hardware donated by red hat, running in a dmz	19:37
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slagle	apuimedo: so, you all could either do something similar, but i have to say that is not something that is super easy to setup	19:37
slagle	you need hardware, etc	19:38
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slagle	the alternative would be to have a job running on the existing rack that was just periodic, or run on demand	19:38
slagle	since it's all open source, that should be doable	19:38
apuimedo	slagle: not easy at all :P	19:38
apuimedo	slagle: that would be great	19:39
slagle	the community would have to accept it, and we'd need to verify we have capacity for it of course	19:39
apuimedo	slagle: who is managing that?	19:39
apuimedo	the drivers team?	19:39
slagle	apuimedo: the tripleo community manages it. derekh is one of the main guys working on it	19:39
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slagle	i'm not saying this will definitely happen :) just an idea	19:40
apuimedo	slagle: cool	19:40
apuimedo	noted ;-)	19:40
slagle	i think folks could be open to it	19:40
slagle	we want to encourage integrations, etc	19:40
apuimedo	:-)	19:41
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apuimedo	I feel encouraged already!	19:42
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slagle	good :)	19:42
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slagle	anything else before we wrap up?	19:43
slagle	feel free to reach out on #tripleo and the list	19:44
apuimedo	that's all from me ;-)	19:44
karume	thank you for all the help!	19:44
slagle	cool, and thanks for joining	19:44
slagle	#endmeeting	19:44
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings \|\| https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings"		19:44
devvesa	thank you slagle!	19:44
openstack	Meeting ended Tue Aug 25 19:44:42 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)	19:44
openstack	Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-08-25-19.10.html	19:44
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dimtruck	hello!	21:00
devkulkarni	dimtruck meeting has not yet started	21:00
dimtruck	:)	21:00
devkulkarni	lets wait for few minutes for adrian_otto	21:01
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dimtruck	sounds good!	21:02
devkulkarni	hi james_li_	21:02
james_li_	yes	21:03
james_li_	is meeting started?	21:03
devkulkarni	james_li_: not yet	21:03
dimtruck	not yet james_li_	21:03
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devkulkarni	#startmeeting Solum Team Meeting	21:10
openstack	Meeting started Tue Aug 25 21:10:12 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devkulkarni. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	21:10
openstack	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.	21:10
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openstack	The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting'	21:10
devkulkarni	#topic Roll Call	21:10
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devkulkarni	Devdatta Kulkarni	21:10
dimtruck	o/	21:10
muralia	murali allada	21:10
devkulkarni	hi dimtruck, muralia	21:10
dimtruck	hi devkulkarni	21:10
muralia	hey	21:10
devkulkarni	hi james_li_	21:10
devkulkarni	hi datsun180b	21:11
james_li_	james li	21:11
devkulkarni	#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2015-08-25_2100_UTC	21:11
devkulkarni	today's agenda ^^	21:11
devkulkarni	nice to see you all	21:11
devkulkarni	the agenda is mostly about reviews	21:12
devkulkarni	#topic Announcements	21:12
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devkulkarni	I don't have any prepared announcements	21:12
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devkulkarni	anybody want to share something with the team?	21:13
muralia	i see lots of patches from you	21:13
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devkulkarni	muralia: yes	21:13
datsun180b	oh i'm here, just distracted	21:13
devkulkarni	I am about to get to that	21:13
devkulkarni	okay, since no announcements from anyone, moving on to next topic	21:13
devkulkarni	#topic Review Action Items	21:14
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devkulkarni	I there were no action items from the last meeting	21:14
devkulkarni	#topic Blueprint/Task Review and Discussion	21:14
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devkulkarni	ok, so this is the major topic for todays meeting	21:14
devkulkarni	I have three items:	21:15
devkulkarni	(devkulkarni/randallburt) Deployer plugins (Notes: Need one more +2)	21:15
devkulkarni	I just saw james_li_ approve this	21:15
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james_li_	yes	21:15
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devkulkarni	thanks for that james_li_	21:15
james_li_	it has been there for a while	21:15
devkulkarni	james_li_: yes, that is correct	21:15
devkulkarni	now that this is merged, we can start implementing the plugin model for deployers	21:16
devkulkarni	I am really looking forward to that	21:16
devkulkarni	because, once that is in place	21:16
dimtruck	+1	21:16
devkulkarni	it will be straightforward (hopefully) to integrate with magnum	21:16
dimtruck	+10000 :D	21:16
devkulkarni	:)	21:16
devkulkarni	I will be checking with randallburt on what are the next steps	21:17
devkulkarni	and what needs to be done to start the implementation	21:17
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james_li_	should operator have an option of not running solum with magnum?	21:17
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devkulkarni	dimtruck, muralia: your knowledge with magnum should be useful when we get to implementing the integration	21:17
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muralia	yup	21:18
devkulkarni	james_li_: good question	21:18
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devkulkarni	I would assume that we would provide operator-level flags/overrides to choose what configuration solum uses	21:18
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muralia	james_li: yes, operators can choose any backed to deploy apps	21:18
dimtruck	yup!	21:18
devkulkarni	whether it is heat+magnum or just heat	21:18
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devkulkarni	more will emerge about pros/cons of this on that once we start implementing and experimenting I suppose	21:19
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devkulkarni	So next one in the review section is:	21:20
devkulkarni	(devkulkarni) Request to review API patches. (Notes: These patches add the workflow resource and connect it to the Solum worker (and deployer))	21:20
devkulkarni	let me give some background on this..	21:20
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devkulkarni	so as you all know we have accepted a spec to add 'app' and 'workflow' resource to solum	21:20
devkulkarni	the four patches that I have listed in meeting agenda are implementing the workflow resource	21:21
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devkulkarni	before you look into the code	21:21
devkulkarni	it might help to check out this spec:	21:21
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devkulkarni	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215832/	21:21
devkulkarni	this outlines the approach that I have taken to connect the workflow resource to the main solum engine (specifically, worker and deployer)	21:22
devkulkarni	the four code patches follow the approach outlined in the spec	21:22
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devkulkarni	I have not yet added tests	21:22
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devkulkarni	I will be doing that starting tomorrow	21:22
devkulkarni	please take sometime, whenever you get a chance, to review these patches	21:23
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devkulkarni	imo, once these patches merge, we will have basic workflow resource implemented (end-to-end)	21:23
james_li_	devkulkarni: i guess you did some tests manually	21:23
devkulkarni	james_li_: yes —	21:23
devkulkarni	I have tested manually	21:23
james_li_	with CLI	21:23
james_li_	?	21:23
devkulkarni	can show you if interested	21:23
devkulkarni	yes, with CLI	21:24
james_li_	ok	21:24
james_li_	cool	21:24
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devkulkarni	I am hoping that we can get these patches merged soon	21:24
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devkulkarni	so that before the long weekend (next week), we could demo the end-to-end behavior with the new code	21:24
devkulkarni	so looking for reviews.	21:25
devkulkarni	datsun180b: as an fyi	21:25
devkulkarni	you might see that I have added 'status' to the app model	21:25
devkulkarni	it is a singular status rather than a dictionary as you have outlined in your spec	21:25
datsun180b	yeah, that part's tricky to convey	21:25
devkulkarni	I have done that on purpose	21:25
datsun180b	older ideas, older models. i won't fuss about changes like that	21:26
devkulkarni	my main goal for now is to get to feature parity with what we currently have	21:26
devkulkarni	cool	21:26
devkulkarni	just wanted to inform you about the diversion from the spec	21:26
datsun180b	rules are made to be broken	21:26
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devkulkarni	once this first iteration is complete, I will go back and add finer states etc.	21:26
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datsun180b	that sounds entirely reasonable	21:27
devkulkarni	awesome!	21:27
devkulkarni	so the next item is the CLI patches:	21:27
devkulkarni	(devkulkarni) Request to review CLI patches. (Notes: These patches add interactive input functionality to the new app commands.)	21:28
devkulkarni	let me give some background on these set of patches	21:28
devkulkarni	basically we want to achieve two things: 1) support the new app resource 2) add all the error checks, interactive inputs, etc. that we currently support to the new app paths	21:29
devkulkarni	code that invokes the app and workflow rest APIs was already submitted as WIP by datsun180b	21:29
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datsun180b	as long as feature parity is the goal i guess we can keep the interactive prompts	21:30
devkulkarni	that has been the starting point for item 2	21:30
datsun180b	but ftr i don't like 'em	21:30
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devkulkarni	datsun180b: I would like to get to feature parity first	21:30
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devkulkarni	that way, if anyone wants to use it, the experience will be what we currently support	21:30
datsun180b	right, so i'm not going to fight any of those changes	21:31
devkulkarni	datsun180b: thanks :)	21:31
devkulkarni	so starting from your WIP patch	21:31
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devkulkarni	I am adding piece-by-piece support for other things	21:31
devkulkarni	the patches should be easy to review	21:31
devkulkarni	the code is almost similar to existing code	21:32
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devkulkarni	with simplifactions/changes to support the app-file model instead of the plan-file	21:32
devkulkarni	btw	21:32
devkulkarni	in both, API and CLI, I am planning to support git-triggers after the first iteration	21:33
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datsun180b	aiming high	21:33
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devkulkarni	i.e., once the current workflow patches on the API side and the CLI patches are merged	21:33
devkulkarni	datsun180b: actually, not aiming for git-trigger stuff at all for now	21:34
devkulkarni	will start looking at porting the git-trigger related things (trusts in API, tokens in CLI) after the basic end-to-end workflow patches are completed	21:35
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devkulkarni	datsun180b: does sound like a good plan to you?	21:35
devkulkarni	s/does/does that/	21:35
datsun180b	seems like the most straightforward	21:36
devkulkarni	datsun180b: cool	21:36
muralia	ya	21:36
devkulkarni	so overall the next steps/plan in my mind is as follows:	21:36
devkulkarni	1) complete basic end-to-end workflow (in progress)	21:36
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devkulkarni	2) complete basic CLI changes (in progress)	21:37
devkulkarni	3) git-trigger on API	21:37
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devkulkarni	4) tokens/github support on CLI	21:37
devkulkarni	5) pluggable deployers	21:37
devkulkarni	6) magnum integration	21:37
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devkulkarni	6) non-destructive app update functionality	21:37
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devkulkarni	7) support for multi-repo applications	21:38
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devkulkarni	the last item may need overall changes	21:38
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devkulkarni	thoughts/comments?	21:39
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devkulkarni	oh btw, one more thing	21:39
devkulkarni	sometime in between these	21:39
devkulkarni	I would like to get james_li_'s bash-to-python patches merged	21:39
devkulkarni	so james_li_, I will take a look at the config generator issue	21:40
devkulkarni	but not right now	21:40
james_li	thanks	21:40
devkulkarni	it will have to wait till I get at least till item 4 completed	21:40
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devkulkarni	cool	21:40
devkulkarni	so moving on to the next topic	21:41
devkulkarni	#topic Open Discussion	21:41
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datsun180b	i've got a short one	21:41
devkulkarni	datsun180b: floor is yours	21:41
datsun180b	devkulkarni in your workflow table you're adding a deleted_at field to workflow	21:41
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datsun180b	who will delete workflows?	21:41
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devkulkarni	datsun180b: in our current model, app delete deletes all the assemblies	21:42
devkulkarni	so it could be similar..	21:42
devkulkarni	however,	21:42
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devkulkarni	for preserving the history of workflow executions	21:43
devkulkarni	we are not going to delete the record from the workflow table. hence you had the 'deleted' boolean flag	21:43
devkulkarni	so then, the 'deleted_at' field is to record the time when this flag was set	21:44
datsun180b	i don't remember a deleted boolean	21:44
datsun180b	but in that case, carry on	21:44
devkulkarni	it is there in the spec as well	21:44
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datsun180b	perhaps it was soft deleted in my memory	21:44
devkulkarni	datsun180b: I remember we discussing about soft delete	21:44
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devkulkarni	right	21:45
datsun180b	then i'm happy with your current procedure	21:45
devkulkarni	datsun180b: cool	21:45
datsun180b	now there's a point where your code in these patches outweighs what i set out with in my WIPs	21:46
datsun180b	so how many grains until we have a pile here?	21:46
devkulkarni	yes — there are some additions which build upon the WIP	21:46
devkulkarni	datsun180b: I don't anticipate more patches (on the API side)	21:47
devkulkarni	the four patches cover the basic end-to-end functionality	21:47
devkulkarni	I will be adding tests as part of these patches themselves	21:47
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datsun180b	still looking at the latest revisions but they look like they're all there	21:47
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devkulkarni	datsun180b: saw your comments on CLI patches	21:48
devkulkarni	thanks for checking those out	21:48
datsun180b	i don't have any substantial quarrel with the CLI changes	21:49
devkulkarni	thanks	21:49
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devkulkarni	I can move filter_lps back to solum.py	21:50
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devkulkarni	the reason I moved it to cli_utils was because it is required from both AppCommands and OldAppCommands	21:50
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devkulkarni	I understand that this is temporary	21:50
devkulkarni	so here is what I can do	21:50
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devkulkarni	move it back to solum.py, but not make it part of any class	21:51
datsun180b	those sort of functions are getting numerous as is	21:51
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devkulkarni	true	21:52
devkulkarni	we can revisit this once we are at feature parity with existing functionality	21:52
datsun180b	that's fine then	21:52
datsun180b	let me go double that +1 up	21:52
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devkulkarni	datsun180b: oh, cool	21:53
devkulkarni	that is nice of you datsun180b :)	21:53
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devkulkarni	we are almost at the end of our meeting time	21:54
devkulkarni	anything else for us to discuss today?	21:54
james_li	none from me	21:54
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datsun180b	nothing further	21:54
devkulkarni	want to convey sincere thanks to all for keeping looped in on solum reviews	21:55
devkulkarni	james_li, datsun180b, dimtruck, muralia thanks for joining in today	21:55
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devkulkarni	see you all next week	21:55
muralia	thanks	21:55
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devkulkarni	#endmeeting	21:55
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sdake_	#startimeeting containers	22:01
thomasem	Good evening	22:01
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sdake	#startmeeting containers	22:01
openstack	Meeting started Tue Aug 25 22:01:42 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	22:01
openstack	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.	22:01
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openstack	The meeting name has been set to 'containers'	22:01
sdake	#topic rollcall	22:01
eghobo	o/	22:01
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x3k	o/	22:01
sdake	o/ folks :)	22:01
rods	o/	22:01
Tango	o/	22:01
yuanying-alt	o/	22:01
thomasem	o/	22:01
suro-patz	o/	22:02
apmelton	o/	22:02
daneyon	o/	22:02
sdake	i'll wait a couple more mins	22:02
hongbin_	o/	22:02
vilobhmm1	o/	22:03
sdake	nice looks like we have a small army to start :)	22:03
sdake	#topic announcements	22:03
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Tango	You are not going to greet everyone like Adrian does? :)	22:03
sdake	tango tool azy :)	22:03
daneyon	lol	22:04
sdake	Madhuri has a family emergency and will be AFK for 1-4 weeks	22:04
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sdake	this means people need to pick up her work if possible	22:04
sdake	yuanying-alt has already agreed to continue on the tls work	22:04
sdake	but we will need more horsepower here ;)	22:04
sdake	#2	22:04
sdake	liberty-3 release is around this time, and rc1 deadline is typically september 25th for 6mo release cycle projects	22:05
sdake	we are not a 6 mo release cycle project so we have freedom to decide our own mielstones	22:05
sdake	but I'd encourage people to think of the drop dead date as september 25th :)	22:05
sdake	i'll speak with adrian about whether he wants to make a rc1 milestone in launchpad	22:06
sdake	with a target of rc1	22:06
sdake	any other announcements from community cats?	22:06
sdake	ok then :)	22:07
sdake	#topic define ODS sessions for Tokyo	22:07
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sdake	we need to produce a list of our sessions for Tokyo - last year we got 4 fishbowl sessions and 8 unnamed sessions which are technical in nature	22:07
sdake	the venue this year is smaller in size	22:07
sdake	so we may not get as many sessions	22:07
sdake	but we need to have a count asap	22:08
sdake	so I'd like to spend some time generating our list	22:08
sdake	https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-tokyo-summit-sessions	22:08
sdake	12 minute time box until 3:20	22:08
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sdake	please brainstorm any sessions you would like to discuss	22:09
sdake	in the etherpad	22:09
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sdake	dont worry about sorting into fishbowl vs nonfishbowl	22:09
sdake	adrian or I will do that	22:09
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sdake	note we will have another one of thexe sessions snext wednesday to wrap up the sessions	22:11
sdake	if your here please participate ;)	22:12
sdake	add your name to participants list	22:12
sdake	even if you have no sessiont o add	22:12
sdake	this will give us idea who contributed - so we know if we have critical mass for the submissions :)	22:12
muralia	o/	22:12
sdake	line 6 needs attention by folks not in 2-6 :)	22:12
sdake	rather line 7	22:12
sdake	7 minutes to go :)	22:13
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sdake	whoever added line 6 could you define "other options" please :)	22:14
Tango	I don't have one in mind, just to encourage people to think of something other than Manila	22:15
Tango	Maybe I will have some thought later	22:15
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sdake	ok ok i can already tell we will have more sessions then we have space for	22:16
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sdake	next meeting we will stack rank em	22:16
sdake	or if adrian has some other idea he can do that :)	22:16
sdake	keep brainstorming :)	22:16
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sdake	t-3 minutes	22:17
sdake	not eeach of these sessions is 40 minutes in length	22:18
sdake	not/note	22:18
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sdake	ok 1 minute left, if you contributse please add your name to line 10	22:19
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daneyon	back	22:20
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sdake_	#topic networking team update	22:22
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sdake_	ok guys the irc bot won't change the topic	22:22
sdake_	because my nick doesn't match	22:22
daneyon	no worries	22:22
sdake_	daneyon can you give a networking subtaem update	22:23
daneyon	I didn't think i was going to make the meeting today, so I provided an update through the ML	22:23
daneyon	#link http://osdir.com/ml/openstack-dev/2015-08/msg01630.html	22:23
sdake_	can you give us the 5 minute tldr versoin :)	22:23
daneyon	Instead of rehashing, i'll give everyone some time to pull the link up and review	22:23
daneyon	ok	22:23
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daneyon	In summary, the container networking model spec merged. That was big	22:24
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sdake	#topic networking subteam update	22:24
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daneyon	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/204686/	22:24
sdake	nice job daneyon!!	22:24
daneyon	thanks everyone for your contributions!!!!	22:24
sdake	and nice job all the core reviewers for spending the cycles to review that spec ;)	22:24
sdake	specs are evil evil things but in this case necessary	22:25
daneyon	i have created bp's for each work item in the spec	22:25
daneyon	i have also started to create wip patches for the work items	22:25
sdake	daneyon one question will this work complete before september 25th?	22:25
daneyon	i have seen some of the initial feedback of the patches and will start providing updates to the wip's	22:25
daneyon	sdake I think it's 50/50	22:25
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sdake	ok well i would recommend in that case not breaking the implementation that is there	22:26
daneyon	i am working though the labels aspect of the spec	22:26
sdake	and we can push into mitaka if necessary	22:26
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daneyon	I am reviewing how other OS projects have similar implementations to see if anything can be used as a model	22:27
sdake	all done?	22:27
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daneyon	will do	22:27
daneyon	thx	22:27
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sdake	#topic horizon UI update	22:27
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sdake	anyone have updates on this work?	22:27
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sdake	bradjones seems afk - it hink he is in EMEA so probably fast asleep	22:28
sdake	#topic TLS update	22:28
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sdake	yuanying-alt apmelton any updates here?	22:28
apmelton	I've got a little update from the barbican meeting	22:28
sdake	if we complete one piece of work before september 25th, it needs to be this ;)	22:28
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apmelton	I asked about where the work stood for being able to create CA's with barbican	22:29
yuanying-alt	I'm not familir with project_config	22:29
apmelton	they pointed me towards https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187236/	22:29
apmelton	and the guy working on it said it'd likely be 3+ weeks	22:29
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sdake	ok well we aren't waiting	22:30
sdake	make a solution that doesn't involve barbican plz	22:30
apmelton	so it's definitely looking like magnum as a CA is definitely the best bet	22:30
sdake	3 weeks is september 25th, we have no time to do integration	22:30
sdake	it doesn't have to be perfect	22:30
sdake	the requirements are secure to the best of our ability and isolates bays from one another	22:31
apmelton	from my understanding of where they were, magnum as a ca is the approach they were taking	22:31
sdake	yuanying-alt what od you need re project-config?	22:31
yuanying-alt	I want to add barbican to gate	22:31
yuanying-alt	but barbican seems something diffrerent	22:31
sdake	as i mentioned madhuri wont be able to contribute to this effort much over the next few weks	22:31
sdake	yuanying you mean to pass functional tests?	22:32
yuanying-alt	yes	22:32
sdake	I can help you get aquainted with the gate after the meeting if you have time	22:32
yuanying-alt	So I think we should modify project-config right?	22:32
yuanying-alt	ok, thanks	22:32
sdake	yuanying-alt possilby	22:32
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sdake	#action sdake to walk yuanying-alt through how gating works	22:32
sdake	ok so barbican is off the table as a ca, we need to use magnum as a ca	22:33
sdake	just because barbican wont' be ready in time for our deadlines	22:33
sdake	yuanying-alt does that change your approach?	22:33
yuanying-alt	we want to barbican to store secret not a ca	22:33
sdake	i see so still needed for ca storage then	22:34
sdake	if that part works, that wfm	22:34
sdake	so yuanying-alt apmelton is working on this project	22:34
apmelton	yuanying-alt: please let me know if you need help anywhere, it'll be very easy to get things on my end reprioritized to help out	22:34
sdake	any person willing to step up and contribute here as well? This is our #0 priority!	22:34
yuanying-alt	keystone trust is remaining	22:35
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yuanying-alt	for implementing tls work	22:35
apmelton	I think muralia has a good idea of what's required for keystone trust	22:35
sdake	i don't recall who was doing that work, but adrian knows the person	22:35
muralia	ya, i was looking into that.	22:35
sdake	muralia areyo u doin gthat work?	22:35
muralia	i can work on that	22:35
hongbin_	I know a guy can possibly work on keystone trust	22:35
sdake	is there a blueprint on it?	22:35
muralia	not yet	22:35
sdake	muralia please file a blueprint today	22:36
muralia	will do.	22:36
sdake	and I'll assign you to it	22:36
sdake	this is a dependency of tls so needs to be pulled in to whatever release we are doing next :)	22:36
muralia	ok	22:36
hongbin_	sdake: wanghua is also working on keystone trust as well	22:36
sdake	and needs to be done sooner rather then later	22:36
sdake	what is the timeline on this?	22:36
hongbin_	he need keystone trust for registryv2 bp	22:36
muralia	i'll sync up with wanghua	22:37
sdake	hongbin_ good to know can you reach out to him to get him to sync with muralia?	22:37
hongbin_	sure	22:37
sdake	no sense two people doing same job	22:37
sdake	any other tls dependencies that need addressing	22:37
sdake	?	22:37
hongbin_	so for keystone trust	22:37
hongbin_	It can be splitted into two parts	22:37
hongbin_	1. keystone v3 support	22:38
hongbin_	2. trust	22:38
hongbin_	We can have two person to work on those items	22:38
sdake	hongbin_ instead of muralia filing a blueprint, could you file two for those two items?	22:38
hongbin_	sure	22:38
sdake	sounds like muralia you could add keystone v3 support?	22:38
muralia	i think there is a v3 client alreay. it just needs to be used. i've also seen a method for generating trusts.	22:38
yuanying-alt	agree	22:39
sdake	doen't api need support for v3?	22:39
hongbin_	It uses v2 right now	22:39
sdake	hongbin when you file those bugs please bring them into the liberty-3 milestone	22:40
sdake	rather those blueprints	22:40
hongbin_	sdake: OK	22:40
sdake	ok any other updates there, ounds like we are blocked on keystone and project-config atm	22:40
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sdake	yuanying-alt does tls work outside the gate - meaning all we have to do is enable barbican support in the gate?	22:41
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yuanying-alt	yes	22:41
sdake	well that is fantastic news1	22:41
sdake	1	22:42
sdake	!	22:42
sdake	shift key bust	22:42
sdake	ok any other discussion on this topic?	22:42
sdake	yuanying-alt i will help you with project config after meeting	22:42
sdake	dont go anywhere plz :)	22:42
yuanying-alt	ok	22:42
yuanying-alt	sure	22:42
sdake	#topic updating to kubernetes 1.0 in our images/heat templates/documentation/devstack	22:43
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sdake	Tango where are you with this work?	22:43
sdake	this is also a must have for liberty	22:43
Tango	I built a new image with release 1.0.3 and the recommended version of flannel, etcd	22:43
Tango	and docker 1.7.1	22:43
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hongbin_	I am helping Tango for the k8sclient port	22:44
Tango	Docker requires a little tweaking on the storage	22:44
sdake	hongbin_ fantastic!	22:44
apmelton	Tango: is that docker 1.7.1 from docker or redhat?	22:44
sdake	i think we need a blueprint to track this work	22:44
sdake	tango could you file one plz	22:44
Tango	Not sure, I pick up from kojipkj	22:44
sdake	apmelton yes from red hat	22:44
hongbin_	Tango: any problem with the release 1.0?	22:44
Tango	OK, right now it's a bug, but I will open a blueprint	22:45
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sdake	ya blueprint makes sense because we will have to do api work too	22:45
sdake	i know i siad bug before	22:45
sdake	my brain wasn't working properly at the time :)	22:45
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Tango	The current image was built with a prerelease version, so the new image is more "official", using the latest release	22:45
sdake	tnago does the new image work with the current heat templates, or is work neeeded there?	22:46
sdake	tango that is ^^	22:46
hongbin_	Tango: are you going to build another image or using the *-4 image?	22:46
Tango	There is a couple patches to update the templates. I am updating the functional test, and adding a test for load balancer	22:46
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sdake	ok just so we are clear, priority #1 is tls, priority #2 is running with kubernetes 1.0, priority #3 is everything in the launchpad tracker (from my perspective)	22:47
sdake	adrian may hae a different take	22:47
Tango	hongbin_: I am debugging the new image now, getting docker storage to work. When it's working, I will pass to sdake to upload and replace the current copy -4	22:47
hongbin_	Tango: get that	22:47
sdake	i'll make a copy -5	22:48
sdake	actually	22:48
daneyon	Tango is their just 1 review for the k8s 1.0 update?	22:48
sdake	so expect the image to be named -5	22:48
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Tango	ok sure	22:48
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daneyon	I want to make sure my network stuff is implemented with your 1.0 work	22:48
sdake	we need changes to the heat templates, image, devstack, and api code for kuberntes 1.0	22:48
sdake	this is why it needs to be a blueprint	22:48
Tango	daneyon: That's ok, the change is not big	22:48
hongbin_	also the k8sclient needs to be re-generated	22:48
daneyon	do u have a link to the review that you can share?	22:49
daneyon	i want to make sure i'm using the right patch(es) for 1.0	22:49
Tango	daneyon: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/210641/	22:49
daneyon	Tango thx	22:50
Tango	This one will pick up the others	22:50
sdake	#action tango to create a blueprint for the kuberntees 1.0 port and include devstack, image creation, k8sclient regen, heat templates in it	22:50
Tango	will do	22:50
sdake	#topic open discussion	22:50
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x3k	I have a question on the topic of versioned objects	22:51
sdake	we have 9 minutes for whatever folks would like to discuss	22:51
x3k	I noticed that right now, when we make changes in magnum/objects, we don't change object version	22:51
hongbin_	sdake: I want to get back to the magnum-ui	22:51
sdake	shoot x3k	22:51
x3k	but the idea of objects is that each change in their fields should be versioned	22:51
sdake	hongbin_ your next up	22:51
x3k	documentation about the change should also be written in a comment inside the object	22:51
x3k	and the obj_make_compatible method should be implemented/updated	22:51
x3k	see an example here: https://github.com/openstack/nova/commit/ad6051bb5c2b62a0de6708cd2d7ac1e3cfd8f1d3#diff-7c6fefb09f0e1b446141d4c8f1ac5458L27	22:52
sdake	x3k can you submit patches for the work if something is missing with a bug or blueprint?	22:52
x3k	so the question is, do you think magnum should support rolling upgrades f.ex. from next release?	22:52
sdake	i thikn rolling upgrades are a big job	22:52
sdake	but that is the end goal yes	22:52
x3k	if yes, I think core reviewers should start checking for these incompatible changes	22:52
sdake	by liberty - who knows :)	22:52
sdake	x3k this is first i've heard about it, perhaps a mailing list thread would be helpful	22:53
sdake	x3k our cr team is spread around the globe	22:53
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x3k	sdake, ok, I'll start discussion and maybe submit bug reports	22:53
sdake	a mailing lis tthread would be best to make the core reviewers aware of it	22:53
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sdake	#action x3k to start ml thread on versioned objects review objectives	22:54
sdake	hongbin_ your up :)	22:54
x3k	but maybe it's still too early (for fixing this now, in this release)	22:54
sdake	lets get a thead started and make a decision	22:54
hongbin_	Yes, for the mgnum-ui, I saw brad is submitting two patches, but lack of reviews	22:54
sdake	atm there is no decesion because there has been no complaint :)	22:54
hongbin_	magnum-ui has a lot of cores. We need to ping them to review :)	22:55
sdake	sounds like an action for adrian otto :)	22:55
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daneyon	lol	22:55
sdake	#action adrian_otto to ping all magnum-ui core reviewers to review bradjones magnum ui patches	22:55
Tango	I have talked to Thai Tran, he will use my environment to try out the patches and help with review	22:56
sdake	tango that would be much appreciated :)	22:56
vilobhmm1	sdake : regarding object from bay have proposed a WIP https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213368/ would like to get feedback on it…if this way seems good I can send out patches for service, pod	22:56
sdake	vilobhmm1 send me an email stdake@cisco.com and I willge tto it tomororw -t he rest of my day is slammed today	22:56
sdake	email = wont lose it or forget :)	22:57
vilobhmm1	sdake : Thanks :) will do.	22:57
sdake	3 more minutes :)	22:57
sdake	ok if nothing else, keep up the good work, stay focused on tls + kube 1.0 support	22:58
sdake	need to see thoe blueprints filed so we can track them and set them as essential as discussed in the meeting	22:59
Tango	yep	22:59
sdake	please link them in #openstack-containers if you don't have permissions to tag to liberty-3 release	22:59
sdake	ok times out :)	22:59
sdake	thanks folks!	22:59
sdake	#endmeeting	22:59
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