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| matrohon | hi janscheurich | 15:16 |
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| matrohon | hi tmorin | 15:17 |
| janscheurich | Hi matrohon | 15:17 |
| tmorin | hi guys | 15:17 |
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| tmorin | hi svinota pcarver | 15:17 |
| matrohon | janscheurich, we dind't start the meeting yet since nobody was answering my call | 15:17 |
| svinota | hi | 15:17 |
| janscheurich | I was afraid my ircclient was broken | 15:17 |
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| tmorin | let's start then :) | 15:18 |
| tmorin | #startmeeting bgpvpn | 15:18 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 1 15:18:07 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmorin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:18 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: bgpvpn)" | 15:18 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'bgpvpn' | 15:18 |
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| pcarver | hi | 15:18 |
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| tmorin | hi paul | 15:18 |
| tmorin | #topic announces | 15:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announces (Meeting topic: bgpvpn)" | 15:18 | |
| tmorin | hi doude | 15:18 |
| matrohon | doude is not available today | 15:18 |
| tmorin | ok | 15:19 |
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| tmorin | we've merged some work since last week | 15:19 |
| tmorin | some uninteresting stuff to follow oslo changes | 15:20 |
| tmorin | some devstack fixes | 15:20 |
| tmorin | but also more significant stuff | 15:20 |
| tmorin | the patch for the DB to accept the route_distinguishers field from svinota has been merged | 15:20 |
| tmorin | and also the patch to allow us to specify the service_providers for BGPVPN in our own file (/etc/neutron/networking_bgpvpn.conf) | 15:21 |
| tmorin | that last one was required since reading service providers from neutron.conf is now deprecated | 15:21 |
| tmorin | also a patch to cleanup the bgpvpn_db file and not add checks/filters additionally to what is supposed to be already done through policy.json | 15:22 |
| tmorin | #topic work in progress | 15:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "work in progress (Meeting topic: bgpvpn)" | 15:22 | |
| tmorin | #undo | 15:22 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0xa56fb90> | 15:22 |
| tmorin | anything else to announce ? | 15:23 |
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| tmorin | #topic work in progress | 15:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "work in progress (Meeting topic: bgpvpn)" | 15:23 | |
| matrohon | the new API is up for review | 15:24 |
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| matrohon | I just rebased it : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207371/ | 15:25 |
| matrohon | I took into account pcarver and tmorin reviews | 15:25 |
| tmorin | (it seems it still needs a rebase though) | 15:25 |
| tmorin | the neutronclient part is not yet done, I've just started working on it today | 15:25 |
| matrohon | It's because svinota's patch just merged | 15:25 |
| tmorin | indeed | 15:26 |
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| tmorin | I think the new API/DB patches mostly look good | 15:26 |
| tmorin | we still need to figure out the policy.json part though | 15:26 |
| matrohon | I know that doude had some concern about it | 15:26 |
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| tmorin | even for the old API, it seems that it doesn't do yet what it is supposed to | 15:27 |
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| tmorin | matrohon: doude comments were mostly minor I would say (some unneeded stuff we could remove) | 15:28 |
| matrohon | he feels strange that the "get_bgpvpn" returns a network list, while 'network ' is not a bgpvpn attribute | 15:28 |
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| matrohon | tmorin : what comments are you talking about | 15:28 |
| tmorin | but right now statement like " update_bgpvpn_connection:export_targets": "rule:admin_only" " do not work, a random tenant user can update route-targets | 15:28 |
| tmorin | at least on my devstack | 15:28 |
| tmorin | matrohon: comments he made privately to me | 15:29 |
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| matrohon | tmorin : can you open a bug concerning the policy issue | 15:30 |
| tmorin | yes, I will | 15:30 |
| tmorin | need to first check that the issue is not between the chair and the keyboard ;) | 15:30 |
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| tmorin | I suggested doude to file a bug on the improvements to do | 15:30 |
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| tmorin | matrohon: I did not get what you meant by "he feels strange that the "get_bgpvpn" returns a network list, while 'network ' is not a bgpvpn attribute" | 15:31 |
| pcarver | Is there a local.conf somewhere that I should refer to? I've been reviewing code but haven't actually tested anything locally yet. | 15:32 |
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| tmorin | the README.md and README-bagpipe.md have the basic info on what you need to add in a local.conf | 15:33 |
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| matrohon | pcarver : I had some local.conf available on my github : https://github.com/mathieu-rohon/devstack-conf | 15:33 |
| pcarver | tmorin: thanks, I'll take a closer look and try to set it up | 15:33 |
| tmorin | and matrohon has a devstack with an example local.conf | 15:33 |
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| tmorin | yes | 15:33 |
| pcarver | matrohon: thanks | 15:33 |
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| matrohon | I didn't try them since few days, maybe they are not compatible with recent patches | 15:34 |
| tmorin | matrohon: your local.conf is not updated to add the service provider in the right file | 15:34 |
| matrohon | tmorin : +1 | 15:34 |
| matrohon | I'll update them ASAP | 15:34 |
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| matrohon | concerning doude's comments : he should review the spec to make them public | 15:35 |
| tmorin | matrohon: +1 (or I'll file a bug report...) | 15:36 |
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| matrohon | but in this patch : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/217038/3/networking_bgpvpn/neutron/db/bgpvpn_db.py | 15:36 |
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| matrohon | the get_bgpvpn will return the associated networks | 15:36 |
| matrohon | and since networks are not an attribute of the bgpvpn resource anymore, he doesn't feel comfortable with this change | 15:37 |
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| tmorin | matrohon: I understand your/his comment now, but I've honestly no idea whether it should be considered an issue or not | 15:38 |
| matrohon | me neither, let's wait for his comment on the spec | 15:40 |
| tmorin | yes | 15:40 |
| tmorin | the behavior is consistent with what we have written in the specs, and nobody commented that it would be an issue | 15:40 |
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| tmorin | there is something related that we will have to take care of | 15:41 |
| tmorin | GET /bgpvpn/bgpvpns?network={network_uuid} | 15:41 |
| tmorin | since networks is not an attribute of BGPVPN, it is a particular case that we'll need to look at | 15:42 |
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| tmorin | ok, next topic ? | 15:43 |
| tmorin | what do we have to discuss ? | 15:43 |
| matrohon | #topic driver implementation | 15:43 |
| tmorin | I've a pending patch stop having the bagpipe driver prevent the deletion of a network | 15:44 |
| tmorin | reviews welcome | 15:44 |
| tmorin | #link https://review.openstack.org/218262 | 15:44 |
| matrohon | I started the patch to change the bagpipe driver so that it take account the split of the API | 15:44 |
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| tmorin | I have another one cooking so that the bagpipe driver does not need its own mech_driver to be notified about ports coming up or down | 15:44 |
| tmorin | not ready and not yet pushed to gerrit though | 15:45 |
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| tmorin | doude has been making some progress on the contrail driver | 15:45 |
| tmorin | still not ready for review either though | 15:45 |
| matrohon | concerning 218268 | 15:46 |
| matrohon | it conflicting with the db change I pushed | 15:46 |
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| tmorin | 218268 is a nova change ? typo ? | 15:46 |
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| matrohon | oups 218262 | 15:47 |
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| matrohon | the one you just mentioned | 15:47 |
| matrohon | it is conflicting with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/217038/3/networking_bgpvpn/neutron/db/bgpvpn_db.py | 15:47 |
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| matrohon | by using a foreign key, I prenvent the deletion of the netwok at the db layer | 15:48 |
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| tmorin | yes, but during API discussing, it was explained (can't remember by whom) that foreign keys accross openstack project should be avoided | 15:49 |
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| tmorin | and we also considered that from an API user point of view, there is no reason to block the deletion of the network, we should simply remove associations of this network | 15:50 |
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| matrohon | let's discuss that during reviews | 15:51 |
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| matrohon | janscheurich, any update for the ODL driver? | 15:52 |
| tmorin | matrohon: ok | 15:52 |
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| janscheurich | matrohon: unfortunately work has not yet started | 15:53 |
| matrohon | janscheurich, ok | 15:53 |
| janscheurich | There is a dependency to ODL Neutron Northbound | 15:54 |
| janscheurich | BGPVPN must be modelled in Yang | 15:54 |
| janscheurich | That needs to be done before the driver can be implemented | 15:54 |
| matrohon | janscheurich, fine | 15:55 |
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| matrohon | #topic : tokyo summit | 15:55 |
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| matrohon | unfortunately, the bgpvpn talk has not been selected | 15:55 |
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| matrohon | svinota, pcarver, janscheurich : will you attend the next summit? | 15:56 |
| svinota | but we still can discuss it, being there | 15:56 |
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| pcarver | matrohon: I'll be there | 15:56 |
| svinota | matrohon, yep, I will be at the summit | 15:56 |
| matrohon | tmorin and I will be there too | 15:56 |
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| janscheurich | We are still in planning phase. But someone from Ericsson Aachen will likely be there | 15:57 |
| tmorin | I'll be in Tokyo too | 15:57 |
| janscheurich | Either me or Tim | 15:57 |
| pcarver | I would like to schedule an ad hoc session | 15:57 |
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| tmorin | pcarver: +1 | 15:57 |
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| pcarver | We've been talking to lots of people about BGPVPNs in various contexts and Margaret and I would like to try to get everyone together in the same room at some point | 15:58 |
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| matrohon | pcarver : makes sense | 15:58 |
| janscheurich | pcarver +1 | 15:58 |
| tmorin | a lot of sense, yes! | 15:58 |
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| matrohon | pcarver : do you think about a dedicated design summit session? | 15:59 |
| pcarver | I'm expecting an Etherpad of design session proposals to come out soon. I was going to add BGPVPN to it | 15:59 |
| matrohon | pcarver : +1 | 15:59 |
| tmorin | +1 | 15:59 |
| janscheurich | tmorin: What about the BGPVPN TechTalk you suggested? | 15:59 |
| pcarver | If it doesn't get selected then I figured just an email to the -dev list the week of the summit to announce an ad hoc meetup spot | 15:59 |
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| matrohon | pcarver : thanks | 16:00 |
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| matrohon | ok we have to leave! | 16:00 |
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| tmorin | thanks everyone | 16:00 |
| matrohon | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| pcarver | bye | 16:00 |
| tmorin | bye bye | 16:00 |
| janscheurich | Thanks, bye | 16:00 |
| svinota | thanks | 16:00 |
| adrian_otto | #startmeeting containers | 16:00 |
| openstack | adrian_otto: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 16:01 |
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| matrohon | oh, im'not chairing this meeting :) | 16:01 |
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| matrohon | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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| adrian_otto | who started the previous meeting, matrohon? | 16:01 |
| matrohon | tmorin ^ | 16:01 |
| mfalatic | o/ | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | mfalatic: hold on just a moment | 16:01 |
| matrohon | tmorin, can you end the meeting? | 16:01 |
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| tmorin | #endmeeting | 16:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 1 16:02:27 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2015/bgpvpn.2015-09-01-15.18.html | 16:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2015/bgpvpn.2015-09-01-15.18.txt | 16:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2015/bgpvpn.2015-09-01-15.18.log.html | 16:02 |
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| tmorin | sorry folks | 16:02 |
| adrian_otto | #startmeeting containers | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 1 16:02:41 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: containers)" | 16:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 16:02 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2015-09-01_1600_UTC Our Agenda | 16:02 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:02 |
| mfalatic | o/ redux | 16:02 |
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| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:02 |
| xek | o/ | 16:02 |
| daneyon_ | o/ | 16:02 |
| ctrath | o/ | 16:03 |
| muralia | murali allada | 16:03 |
| Drago | o/ | 16:03 |
| dane_leblanc | o/ | 16:03 |
| rlrossit | o/ | 16:03 |
| wanghua | o/ | 16:03 |
| thomasem | Thomas Maddox | 16:03 |
| vilobhmm1 | 0/ | 16:03 |
| Tango | Ton Ngo | 16:03 |
| eghobo | o/ | 16:03 |
| travisn | Travis Nguyen | 16:03 |
| hongbin | o/ | 16:03 |
| juggler | o/ Perry Rivera hello all! | 16:03 |
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| apmelton | o/ | 16:03 |
| diga | o/ | 16:03 |
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| harshs | o/ | 16:04 |
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| wznoinsk | o/ | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | hello mfalatic, xek, dane_leblanc, daneyon_, Drago, ctrath, muralia, rlrossit, wanghua,thomasem, vilobhmm1, Tango, eghobo, travisn, hongbin, juggler, apmelton, diga, harshs, and wznoinsk | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | great group here today | 16:05 |
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| adrian_otto | welcome sdake/sdake_ | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:06 |
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| sdake_ | yo | 16:06 |
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| sdake_ | morning | 16:06 |
| sdake_ | lotss of cats :) | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | 1) OpenStack Silicon Valley event went great. | 16:06 |
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| adrian_otto | check out www.openstack.org/containers for the new containers whitepaper | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | There is video of the event online, for those of you unable to attend | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | anyone want links to that? | 16:07 |
| vilobhmm1 | yes please :) | 16:07 |
| daneyon_ | sure | 16:07 |
| apmelton | definitely | 16:07 |
| sdake_ | yup | 16:07 |
| ctrath | yes | 16:07 |
| juggler | yes please | 16:07 |
| thomasem | undoubtedly | 16:07 |
| apmelton | we're sitting on the edge of our seats here! | 16:08 |
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| thomasem | I fell out of my chair. | 16:08 |
| juggler | somebody say no just for fun lol | 16:08 |
| mfalatic | no... I won't. | 16:08 |
| mfalatic | (does that count?) | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | 1:18:00 - 1:23:12 http://livestream.com/iTechSherpa/OpenStackSV/videos/97301358 | 16:08 |
| juggler | mfal heh | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | 00:02:00 - 00:36:00 http://livestream.com/iTechSherpa/OpenStackSV/videos/97409605 | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so those are the ones I appeared in | 16:09 |
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| juggler | great thanks | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | tpics are basically OpenStack Maturity, the OpenStack Innovation Center (OSIC), and Magnum (contrast to Virtual Machines) | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | there were also press interviews | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | I gave credit for the new things we added to Magnum as a team | 16:09 |
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| adrian_otto | and a little kerfuffle with James Waters | 16:10 |
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| adrian_otto | you might want to watch the panel to the end if you care about that | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so we are closing in on Tokyo | 16:10 |
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| adrian_otto | sdake_: I understand last week we put topics on an etherpad | 16:10 |
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| adrian_otto | for the design Summit | 16:10 |
| sdake_ | right | 16:11 |
| sdake_ | ttx asked for session count | 16:11 |
| sdake_ | so i got us kicked off | 16:11 |
| sdake_ | we need to trim the count | 16:11 |
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| adrian_otto | 2) Dates for the Tokyo OpenStack Summit are Oct 26-30 | 16:11 |
| sdake_ | i saw an email this morning on the topic - did yu catch it? | 16:11 |
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| adrian_otto | Design Summit is the last three days, right? | 16:11 |
| sdake_ | iirc | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | okay, we will plan to revisit that today | 16:11 |
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| adrian_otto | any other announcements form team members? | 16:12 |
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| tcammann | o/ sorry I'm late | 16:12 |
| apmelton | adrian_otto: looks like design summit is tuesday through friday | 16:13 |
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| juggler | tcammann no worries...thanks for coming :) | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | tx apmelton | 16:13 |
| vilobhmm1 | etherpad link for topics discussed last week : https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-tokyo-summit-sessions | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | welcome tcammann | 16:13 |
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| sdake_ | friday is contributor meetup day | 16:13 |
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| apmelton | ah gotcha | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Container Networking Subteam Update | 16:13 |
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| adrian_otto | daneyon_: ? | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | I think the link to the previous meeting in the agenda is outdated | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | I will correct that now | 16:14 |
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| daneyon_ | oops | 16:14 |
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| adrian_otto | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/container_networking/2015/container_networking.2015-08-27-18.00.html Previous Network Subteam Meeting | 16:14 |
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| daneyon_ | we spent most of the meeting reviewing and adding to the kuryr integration etherpad and kuryr design spec | 16:14 |
| daneyon_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213490/ | 16:15 |
| daneyon_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-kuryr | 16:15 |
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| daneyon_ | i took an action to clean up the integration ep and work with the kuryr team to create actionable steps | 16:15 |
| * adrian_otto updated the agenda with the revised link to the subteam meeting minutes | 16:15 | |
| daneyon_ | to move the integration planning forward | 16:15 |
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| daneyon_ | their was also an action for everyone to test the WIP patches that i have posted | 16:16 |
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| daneyon_ | I have recently updated the client patch to include labels | 16:16 |
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| daneyon_ | that's about it | 16:16 |
| daneyon_ | any questions? | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | yes, di all the reviewers get clarity on that? | 16:16 |
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| adrian_otto | I noticed there were questions in the comment thread on that patch | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | let's find the link to that daneyon_ | 16:17 |
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| daneyon_ | adrian_otto I am still working through addressing all the comments in all the patches | 16:17 |
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| daneyon_ | a link to each of the WIP patches? | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/215260 WIP: Adds Container Networking Model Support | 16:17 |
| daneyon_ | or just the client? | 16:17 |
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| adrian_otto | Manjeet raised a question there, but I think we have that covered | 16:18 |
| daneyon_ | this is the client: | 16:18 |
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| daneyon_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215260/ | 16:18 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, anything our networking subteam needs from the other contributors at this time? | 16:18 |
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| daneyon_ | I still need to address the feedback from Jay Lau and Ton Ngo for the link you provided | 16:19 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, thanks | 16:19 |
| daneyon_ | adrian_otto no, just for someone else to test the patches. I believe Dane Leblanc is taking that on | 16:19 |
| daneyon_ | thx | 16:19 |
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| adrian_otto | daneyon_: great, thanks. I'll advance topics now | 16:20 |
| daneyon_ | ok | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Magnum UI Subteam Update (bradjones) | 16:20 |
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| adrian_otto | I think Brad is absent today | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | I'm a little worried about these: | 16:20 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/211750 | 16:20 |
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| adrian_otto | I have new contributors interested in that work, but we don't even have a readme file merged into the repo yet | 16:21 |
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| adrian_otto | so what can we do to move that along? | 16:21 |
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| adrian_otto | will a volunteer follow up with Brad Jones, and offer to adopt the patchset if needed? | 16:22 |
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| hongbin | adrian_otto: I think there is a readme file | 16:22 |
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| Tango | The patch that follows has a readme file. I tried it out but it doesn't work yet | 16:22 |
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| hongbin | adrian_otto: it seems to have necessary instruction to get started | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://github.com/openstack/magnum-ui Our magnum-ui repo | 16:23 |
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| adrian_otto | looks empty to me, maybe I missed something? | 16:23 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211750/10/README.rst | 16:23 |
| Tango | you have to download the patch | 16:23 |
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| adrian_otto | right, we need to merge that | 16:23 |
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| adrian_otto | if it's imperfect, fine, let's iterate on it | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | but let's get something into the repo | 16:24 |
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| sdake | adrian_otto one action from last week fory ou | 16:24 |
| sdake | is to ride people in the magnum-ui-core to actually do reviews | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | sdake, oh? | 16:24 |
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| hongbin | I think they did the reviewers | 16:25 |
| sdake | because they aren't happening ;) | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | yeah, that action should be carried forward | 16:25 |
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| adrian_otto | so look, either we produce code, or we rip out the project | 16:25 |
| sdake | agree | 16:25 |
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| adrian_otto | because putting down a flag on something prevents others from innovating on it | 16:25 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 16:26 |
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| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to follow up with magnum-ui cores to inspire faster progress | 16:27 |
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| adrian_otto | 1) sdake to walk yuanying-alt through how gating works | 16:27 |
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| adrian_otto | Status? | 16:27 |
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| sdake | h ehas been walked | 16:28 |
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| adrian_otto | completed, great! | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | 2) tango to create a blueprint for the kuberntees 1.0 port and include devstack, image creation, k8sclient regen, heat templates in it | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | Status? | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | I think I have 2 BPs on this topic | 16:28 |
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| Tango | Done, we have 6 patches against the BP | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | one commented as redundant, and marked for death | 16:28 |
| Tango | Yes one is a duplicate | 16:28 |
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| Tango | I didn't notice | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so is there more work remaining? | 16:29 |
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| adrian_otto | or should the BP be marked as Implemented? | 16:29 |
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| Tango | Yes, the next step is to debug the V1 API code that Hongbin generated | 16:29 |
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| Tango | I am also debugging a new image | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | ok, cool. Action item is complete, BP work continues. Thanks for the update Tango. | 16:30 |
| hongbin | I debug the generated client with *-4 image. Waiting for the *-v5 image to debug further | 16:30 |
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| Tango | travisn volunteered to help with functional test | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | 3) x3k to start ml thread on versioned objects review objectives | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | Status: Complete | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | I will revisit this topic in a moment | 16:30 |
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| adrian_otto | 4) adrian_otto to ping all magnum-ui core reviewers to review bradjones magnum ui patches | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | (carried forward) | 16:31 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Versioned Objects | 16:31 |
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| adrian_otto | we have a non-unanimous consensus on adding support for this feature. | 16:31 |
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| adrian_otto | I'm tempted to just call tie break on this, but I'm open to hearing further input before then | 16:32 |
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| adrian_otto | hongbin: I know you opposed this, and I do recognize your reasoning | 16:32 |
| hongbin | As I started in the ML, I agree to merge the code, but don't like to start bumping object version. | 16:32 |
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| hongbin | Yes, so -1 from me | 16:33 |
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| adrian_otto | I do agree that it is one more thing to deal with as we evolve our data model | 16:33 |
| eghobo | I think it's good idea, my only concern there is not enough how to do it | 16:33 |
| rlrossit | so my baseline request is to have this assertion be made before the start of M | 16:33 |
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| rlrossit | because at that point, we have a "release" that we need to be able to (eventually) do rolling updates from | 16:33 |
| xek | rlrossit, +1 | 16:33 |
| dims | rlrossit: +1 | 16:34 |
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| eghobo | hongbin: after we become familiar with the process it will become routine as unit tests ;) | 16:34 |
| rlrossit | if it's missed now, you have to wait 6 months to even have the decision again | 16:34 |
| ctrath | rlrossit has been working on it in Nova… rlrossit, do you have the cycles to overlook it in Magnum? | 16:34 |
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| adrian_otto | s/overlook/oversee/ | 16:34 |
| rlrossit | yes, as long as I have that unit test to help me out :) | 16:34 |
| ctrath | +1 | 16:34 |
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| rlrossit | It was a struggle keeping an eye on the Nova changes without the unit tests I was attempting to add | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | worst case if we try this and it's a serious impediment, we can take it back out | 16:35 |
| rlrossit | adrian_otto: +1 | 16:35 |
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| dims | totally, +1 | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | but in all honesty our data model changes are not frequent enough for this to be a significant burden | 16:35 |
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| rlrossit | (don't misunderstand initial learning time as a mistake though) | 16:35 |
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| eghobo | adrian_otto: +1 | 16:36 |
| dims | another aspect is if we don't learn what's needed now (what the steps needed are for using o.vo effectively), it will take a lot more pain later | 16:36 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, so are there other viewpoints to oppose this change? | 16:36 |
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| Tango | +1 We do need it, so we pay now or pay later | 16:37 |
| hongbin | The last thing is that we need to have a clear document on how to do that (how to bump version, etc.) | 16:37 |
| vilobhmm1 | +1 agree | 16:37 |
| rlrossit | hongbin: I can totally do that | 16:37 |
| dims | hongbin: totally agree | 16:37 |
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| adrian_otto | hongbin: , agreed 100% | 16:37 |
| wanghua | We need it sooner or later | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | rlrossit: can I assign you an action item for that? | 16:37 |
| rlrossit | let me know where you want it, and I can write it up | 16:37 |
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| adrian_otto | is by next Tues enough time? | 16:37 |
| tcammann | docs would be great! +1 | 16:37 |
| dims | rlrossit: we can add it to o.vo itself | 16:38 |
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| juggler | +1 | 16:38 |
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| xek | +1 | 16:38 |
| rlrossit | adrian_otto: I think I can do it in a week | 16:38 |
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| rlrossit | depends on how fine-grained we want me to get | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so let's do that, and make a good compromise here | 16:38 |
| dims | go rlrossit!! | 16:38 |
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| juggler | thanks rlr | 16:38 |
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| rlrossit | adrian_otto: if it pleases more folks, we don't have to merge my test until we are happy with my docs too | 16:39 |
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| Tango | Lots of review on your docs | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | #action rlrossit Add documentation that clearly defines how to bump object versions, and reference the location of those instructions in related unit test errors so they can be easily located. | 16:39 |
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| adrian_otto | rlrossit: is that action fair? | 16:39 |
| vilobhmm1 | rlrossit : will be happy to help | 16:39 |
| rlrossit | adrian_otto: totally! | 16:39 |
| hongbin | yes | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | ok, cool | 16:40 |
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| adrian_otto | and look, if this ends up being a huge mess for us, we will revisit it | 16:40 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Blueprint/Bug Review | 16:40 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/objects-from-bay Obtain the objects from the bay endpoint (sdake) | 16:40 |
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| adrian_otto | is sdake still on this BP? | 16:40 |
| vilobhmm1 | i am working on this | 16:40 |
| sdake | vilo should own it | 16:41 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, adjusting | 16:41 |
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| adrian_otto | reassigned. | 16:41 |
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| vilobhmm1 | proposed the WRITE path here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213368/ working on READ path…this needed lot of thought behind it…should have it ready by next meeting | 16:41 |
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| vilobhmm1 | making sure with this approach keep the existing functionality and usage intact | 16:42 |
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| vilobhmm1 | adrian_otto : ^^ | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | thanks vilobhmm1 | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | need anything from team members to assist you? | 16:42 |
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| vilobhmm1 | adrian_otto : nothing…may be reviews that I will request later :) | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | ok, advancing to the next one. | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/secure-kubernetes Secure the client/server communication between ReST client and ReST server (madhuri) | 16:43 |
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| adrian_otto | madhuri is not in attendance today | 16:43 |
| apmelton | I can give an update here | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | tx apmelton | 16:43 |
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| apmelton | I've taken over her patch (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214179/) while she's away | 16:44 |
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| adrian_otto | great | 16:44 |
| apmelton | I had that entire patch tree working in devstack yesterday | 16:44 |
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| apmelton | just need to rebase it, and finish up test coverage then it should be out of WIP | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | whoot!! | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | ok, looking forward to that. | 16:44 |
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| adrian_otto | reviewers, please earmark a chunk of time to get a good look at this code | 16:45 |
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| adrian_otto | this is the most important addition to Magnum in this cycle | 16:45 |
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| adrian_otto | because without it, Magnum is not suitable for production workloads | 16:45 |
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| adrian_otto | any other remarks, apmelton? | 16:46 |
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| apmelton | nope | 16:46 |
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| adrian_otto | sweet, tx. Advancing… | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/external-lb Support the kubernetes service external-load-balancer feature (Tango) | 16:46 |
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| adrian_otto | I think this one is close, per remarks from earlier | 16:46 |
| Tango | I tested out several more scenarios to narrow down the failure | 16:46 |
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| Tango | I did build a customer Kubernetes based on 1.0.3 with the 3 patches that Gus suggested, but it shows the same error | 16:47 |
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| Tango | I also verified that creating the load balancer using curl from the master node works, so the infrastructure is OK within the cluster | 16:48 |
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| Tango | Gus mentioned he is building his own devstack with magnum to try to replicate the error | 16:48 |
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| Tango | Haven't heard from him for a week though | 16:48 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, time to ping him again | 16:49 |
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| adrian_otto | please let me know if follow up from me may help | 16:49 |
| mfalatic | Right now that LB is active in the code, right? | 16:49 |
| Tango | So debugging continues, we are getting closer | 16:49 |
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| adrian_otto | thanks Tango. Advancing… | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/external-lb Support the kubernetes service external-load-balancer feature (Tango) | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | whoops | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | ignore | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/secure-docker Secure client/server communication using TLS (apmelton) | 16:50 |
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| adrian_otto | this is related to the previous update, but specific to our swarm bay | 16:50 |
| apmelton | no new update there, but as soon as I get the other patch out of WIP, I'll begin this | 16:50 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, thanks. | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 16:50 |
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| wanghua | I has something to discuss | 16:51 |
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| wanghua | for docker registry v2 | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | ok | 16:51 |
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| wanghua | If we use trust, which user we should trust | 16:51 |
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| wanghua | I think we should create a user for registry v2 | 16:51 |
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| wanghua | all the bay use the user and trust id to communicate with swift | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | ideally, we would trust the user who generates the image | 16:52 |
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| adrian_otto | but registry is not multi-tenant in that way | 16:52 |
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| adrian_otto | so we'll probably want to define a system user for that | 16:52 |
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| wanghua | yes, we should add a user in config | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | and acknowledge that storage consumed by that user is not accounted for by the individual Magnum user | 16:53 |
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| adrian_otto | we can iterate on that to avoid abuse | 16:53 |
| eghobo | wanghua: could you elaborate what was changed in v2 related to user, sorry I don't remember any changes in this area | 16:53 |
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| hongbin | eghobo: The VM needs a OS credential to talk to swift for storing docker image | 16:54 |
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| wanghua | registry v2 is used to construct a local docker image repo | 16:54 |
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| adrian_otto | step one is to simply have a private repo capability per bay for performance and manageability reasons | 16:55 |
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| eghobo | you mean you want to run docker registry at each master and use swift as backend, right? | 16:55 |
| wanghua | it needs to put the image to swift, so credentials are needed | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | then we can look at that to approach a more ideal usage and security posture for that feature | 16:55 |
| wanghua | right | 16:55 |
| notmyname | adrian_otto: you might find http://docs.openstack.org/developer/swift/overview_auth.html#openstack-service-using-composite-tokens interesting. originally for stuff like glance. probably useful here too | 16:55 |
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| mfalatic | I have a topic I'd like to briefly mention here. On recent devstack installs, who else is running into the problem of etcd dying on the master node after a bay is created? It seems to underpin the bug I've been working on: https://bugs.launchpad.net/magnum/+bug/1481889 | 16:56 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1481889 in Magnum "pod-create fails ('NoneType' object has no attribute 'status')" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Martin Falatic (martinfalatic) | 16:56 |
| adrian_otto | notmyname: yes, that's exactly the sort of enhancements that should follow our initial naive implementation | 16:56 |
| notmyname | tl;dr objects owned by the tenant, but only editable if both the tenant and service tokens are available. makes accounting easier and prevents the user from messing up external indexes | 16:56 |
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| mfalatic | (If nothing else, PM me) | 16:56 |
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| adrian_otto | thanks for raising that mfalatic | 16:56 |
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| adrian_otto | we'll need to wrap up in a few minutes | 16:57 |
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| mfalatic | This is definitely a new issue. I dug up an older devstack tarball I had and so far it's only an issue in new devstack deployments with magnum | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | mfalatic: are the OOM messages in the dmeg buffer when that happens? | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | s/dmeg/dmesg/ | 16:58 |
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| mfalatic | Digging into that now. Out of memory | 16:58 |
| mfalatic | ? | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | or turn on syslog and check there | 16:58 |
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| adrian_otto | yes, that's one common reason for an unexpected process termination | 16:58 |
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| adrian_otto | another way to debug that is to attach an strace to the etcd process while it is still running | 16:59 |
| mfalatic | I will try that, but not quite sure how to trap it when it fails on bay create. | 16:59 |
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| adrian_otto | and get clues about the outcome by watching the syscall trace | 16:59 |
| mfalatic | ok | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | time for us to wrap up. | 16:59 |
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| mfalatic | Thank you | 16:59 |
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| Nikolay_St | hi all | 17:00 |
| Nikolay_St | it's murano time | 17:00 |
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| adrian_otto | thanks everone for attending. Our next meeting is 2015-09-08 at 2200 UTC | 17:00 |
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| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 1 17:00:24 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-09-01-16.02.html | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-09-01-16.02.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-09-01-16.02.log.html | 17:00 |
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| Nikolay_St | #startmeeting murano | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 1 17:01:09 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Nikolay_St. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:01 |
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| Nikolay_St | o/ | 17:01 |
| xiangxinyong | hello | 17:01 |
| mgershen | o/ | 17:01 |
| stan_lagun | o/ | 17:01 |
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| _ddovbii | hi | 17:01 |
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| Nikolay_St | #topic Action items review | 17:02 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items review (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:02 | |
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| freerunner | Hey! | 17:02 |
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| Nikolay_St | well | 17:02 |
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| Nikolay_St | it look like we don't have any action items since previous meeting | 17:03 |
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| Nikolay_St | so, if we really don't have any I think we can move forward | 17:04 |
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| Nikolay_St | any objections?? | 17:04 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | \o/ | 17:05 |
| Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: hey! | 17:05 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | a bit late for rollcall, aint I? =) | 17:05 |
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| ativelkov | hi folks | 17:06 |
| ativelkov | sorry for being late | 17:06 |
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| Nikolay_St | #topic Artifact (glance v3) transition status update (ativelkov) | 17:07 |
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| Nikolay_St | ativelkov: please | 17:07 |
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| ativelkov | OK | 17:07 |
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| ativelkov | So, the inetegration itself is 99% complete | 17:07 |
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| ativelkov | Right now I am verifying the remaining 1% ) | 17:07 |
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| Nikolay_St | ativelkov: ok | 17:08 |
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| Nikolay_St | so nothing to worry about? | 17:08 |
| ativelkov | There are a number of bugs in Glance which are fixed but await the patches to land | 17:08 |
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| ativelkov | And two patches in Glance Client in the same state (on review) which we will copy from glanceclient to muranoclient | 17:09 |
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| ativelkov | The list of this patches is here: | 17:09 |
| ativelkov | #link http://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fastTrackPatches | 17:09 |
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| ativelkov | I expect submitting the patches to murano today or tomorrow | 17:09 |
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| Nikolay_St | ok, good to know. guys, please keep an eye at review and review patches when they will appear | 17:10 |
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| Nikolay_St | ativelkov: anything else? | 17:11 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Are we going to have artifacts ON or OFF by default? | 17:11 |
| kzaitsev_mb | in stable/liberty I mean | 17:11 |
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| ativelkov | kzaitsev_mb: I'd prefer them to be off | 17:11 |
| ativelkov | as this is experimental feature | 17:11 |
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| ativelkov | In glance we have v3 api disabled by default in L | 17:11 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | agree on that one | 17:12 |
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| Nikolay_St | +1 | 17:12 |
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| ativelkov | stan_lagun: any comments on this? | 17:12 |
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| stan_lagun | comments on Glance? | 17:13 |
| Nikolay_St | stan_lagun: about artifacts usage | 17:13 |
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| ativelkov | on glance being off by default. Will that be an issue for versioning? | 17:13 |
| stan_lagun | I'd prefer that client will discover GLARE availability by default | 17:14 |
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| stan_lagun | so on/off/auto | 17:14 |
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| stan_lagun | and auto=default | 17:14 |
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| ativelkov | That may be tricky | 17:14 |
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| stan_lagun | you can call some v3 API and fallback on error code | 17:14 |
| ativelkov | As this requires to 1) discover glance in service catalog, 2) call / on glance and check which versions of Glance API are available | 17:15 |
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| stan_lagun | or analyze keystone endpoints | 17:15 |
| ativelkov | Such logic usually should not be part of client | 17:15 |
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| stan_lagun | why not? | 17:15 |
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| stan_lagun | you may do it on engine side if you'd like and if client can be configured to use GLARE by the caller | 17:17 |
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| ativelkov | yes | 17:17 |
| ativelkov | I'll try doing that if I have time | 17:17 |
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| Nikolay_St | so, we agree to enable 'version discovery mechanism' for artifacts usage? | 17:19 |
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| ativelkov | Well, I cannot commit on doing this in L | 17:19 |
| ativelkov | I'll try if we can | 17:19 |
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| ativelkov | But the time is really tight and I'd prefer not to add any new features | 17:19 |
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| Nikolay_St | ok | 17:20 |
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| ativelkov | FF is just several days ahead | 17:20 |
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| stan_lagun | So its either auto or off by default | 17:20 |
| ativelkov | yup | 17:20 |
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| Nikolay_St | #agreed artifacts usage auto/off by default. | 17:21 |
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| Nikolay_St | #topic Feature Freeze is September 3 | 17:22 |
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| Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: I know that you added this topic | 17:22 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | yep | 17:22 |
| kzaitsev_mb | well Just wanted everyone to know =) | 17:22 |
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| Nikolay_St | :D | 17:22 |
| Nikolay_St | ok | 17:23 |
| kzaitsev_mb | apparently not many people came =) | 17:23 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #info Feature Freeze is September 3 | 17:23 |
| kzaitsev_mb | haha | 17:23 |
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| ativelkov | kzaitsev_mb: what's the scope of FF | 17:23 |
| ativelkov | ? | 17:23 |
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| ativelkov | in my understanding it is only murano / murano-dashboard repos | 17:23 |
| Nikolay_St | well, as a quick reminder we have stan_lagun patches about versioning on review | 17:23 |
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| ativelkov | while murano-apps and python-muranoclient are on different release schedule, is that correct? | 17:24 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | huh, want about client? ) | 17:24 |
| Nikolay_St | here is the chain starts #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214163/ | 17:24 |
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| Nikolay_St | also, we have my 2 patches with CF service broker. | 17:25 |
| kzaitsev_mb | wall I'd think, that apps have completely different schedule. they do not even have stable branches unless we would decide to make one | 17:25 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | which is... a nice idea in my understanding | 17:25 |
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| Nikolay_St | the chain starts #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196820/ | 17:25 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | new apps are guaranteed to work on master and having a stable/liberty for apps seems good enough | 17:25 |
| Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: it's a good idea | 17:25 |
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| Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: we can discuss it in ML I guess | 17:26 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | yep. We need Serg to answer those questions (I mean app and client FF scope) | 17:26 |
| kzaitsev_mb | anyway | 17:26 |
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| Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: yeap | 17:27 |
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| Nikolay_St | do we have any other features on review? | 17:27 |
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| stan_lagun | Apps should not be tied to Murano releases by any means other than those introduced by versioning | 17:27 |
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| stan_lagun | You don't need to guarantee that apps works on Liberty or any other release. As long as you have fixed your requirements to released versions of MuranoPL and core library etc they must work forever | 17:29 |
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| stan_lagun | And as soon as core library become a plugin we may release it in the middle of the cycle | 17:30 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | stan_lagun: so I have stable/kilo murano and want to use some apps. But all the apps on murano-apps use new UI FormatVersion | 17:31 |
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| Nikolay_St | guys | 17:31 |
| kzaitsev_mb | so I get 500 when I try to add them to env | 17:31 |
| Nikolay_St | I guess that it's not this topic | 17:31 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | Nikolay_St: I think you can safely change it to OpenDiscussion ;) | 17:31 |
| Nikolay_St | so, if we don't have any other to talk about ff we should move forward | 17:31 |
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| Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: yeah | 17:31 |
| Nikolay_St | #topic OpenDiscussion | 17:32 |
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| stan_lagun | kzaitsev_mb: you are wrong | 17:32 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda/Archive/2015-09-01/ todays agenda | 17:32 |
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| stan_lagun | as part of versioning there will be not just latest version of the app but all versions simultaneously | 17:32 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | huh | 17:32 |
| stan_lagun | so if you are using older version of something just grab older version of the app | 17:33 |
| kzaitsev_mb | well if that is solved — then yep, I'm ok | 17:33 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | stan_lagun: where from | 17:33 |
| stan_lagun | murano-apps | 17:33 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | stan_lagun: would we publish new versions of apps as different folders? | 17:33 |
| stan_lagun | yes | 17:33 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ok, sonds fine to me | 17:33 |
| stan_lagun | otherwise you need to have a separate repo for each app | 17:34 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | if that's though of as part of versioning initiative — great. =) | 17:34 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | so just for the record | 17:35 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | We have our gates blocked by django 1.8 =( | 17:36 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I hoped we had that under controll, but we hadn't | 17:36 |
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| Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: any suggestion about how we can fix it? | 17:36 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | so dashboard job is blocked untill https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219222/ lands | 17:36 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #link s joined #openstack-meeting-alt | 17:37 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219222/ | 17:37 |
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| katyafervent2 | but not for murano repo | 17:37 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | Nikolay_St: we have to add formtools to requirements. If the guys in infra would not agree on that we would have to grab the code I guess | 17:38 |
| kzaitsev_mb | but I do not like that idea | 17:38 |
| katyafervent2 | jenkins is passed! | 17:38 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | katyafervent2: yep after a couple of rechecks it's finally green =) | 17:38 |
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| freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: I think, in this patch not needed to update upper-constraints. | 17:38 |
| kzaitsev_mb | can you maybe ping some infra guys — you mentioned you know who to ask ) | 17:39 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | freerunner: you're wrong | 17:39 |
| kzaitsev_mb | if you would not update the job would fail | 17:39 |
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| freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: It will be updated automatically by bot. | 17:39 |
| kzaitsev_mb | they have a job, that checks upper constraints on commit | 17:39 |
| katyafervent2 | thats not infra team | 17:39 |
| kzaitsev_mb | freerunner: yeah, but not for new libraries | 17:39 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | freerunner: remember the time we added yaql | 17:40 |
| katyafervent2 | we need to go to openstack dev | 17:40 |
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| freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: I remember this time ;) | 17:40 |
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| freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: katyafervent2: I've added requirements cores to this patch. Let's wait. | 17:41 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | also just for the note — we have a commit on review, (that's blocked by this obviously =)), that adds preliminary angular support for murano-dashboard | 17:42 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/218515/ | 17:43 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | It adds REST api to dashboard, that we later should be able to expand, when angularising the dashboard | 17:44 |
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| katyafervent2 | Here is the link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219222/ | 17:47 |
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| katyafervent2 | Please, take a look. You can help us unblock our gate before feature freeze! | 17:47 |
| katyafervent2 | wrong channel) | 17:47 |
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| Nikolay_St | katyafervent2: ok) | 17:48 |
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| katyafervent2 | Do we have topic to discuss? | 17:50 |
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| Nikolay_St | katyafervent2: I don't think so | 17:51 |
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| Nikolay_St | any questions guys? | 17:51 |
| xiangxinyong | Can i add some app into murano-app after sep.3? | 17:51 |
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| Nikolay_St | xiangxinyong: as far as we don't have FF for it - yes | 17:52 |
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| Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: ^^ | 17:52 |
| xiangxinyong | OK | 17:52 |
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| katyafervent2 | Yes, murano-apps and pythonclient are not followed main scheduler and have separate releases | 17:52 |
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| xiangxinyong | understood | 17:53 |
| katyafervent2 | Ok, see you later, guys! | 17:53 |
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| Nikolay_St | well | 17:54 |
| Nikolay_St | any other questions? | 17:54 |
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| Nikolay_St | I guess no questions to discuss | 17:57 |
| Nikolay_St | so, see you all guys! | 17:57 |
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| Nikolay_St | #endmeeting | 17:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 1 17:57:19 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-09-01-17.01.html | 17:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-09-01-17.01.txt | 17:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-09-01-17.01.log.html | 17:57 |
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| vipul | #startmeeting cue | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 1 18:01:38 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vipul. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cue' | 18:01 |
| esmute_ | o/ | 18:01 |
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| vipul | davideagnello: abitha sputnik13 dkalleg: yo | 18:02 |
| dkalleg | o/ | 18:02 |
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| vipul | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Cue | 18:03 |
| vipul | light on the agenda.. | 18:03 |
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| vipul | #topic Action Items | 18:04 |
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| vipul | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cue/2015/cue.2015-08-25-18.01.html | 18:04 |
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| vipul | given that sputnik13 isn't here.. i'll skip his | 18:04 |
| vipul | dkalleg to provide details in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cue/+spec/status regarding more accurate rabbitmq status check | 18:04 |
| vipul | and update on this dkalleg ? | 18:04 |
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| dkalleg | not yet | 18:04 |
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| dkalleg | Still need to do some investigation on how to extract the info we really want | 18:05 |
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| vipul | Ok sounds good.. | 18:05 |
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| vipul | i'll put it back on the docket for next week | 18:05 |
| vipul | #action dkalleg to provide details in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cue/+spec/status regarding more accurate rabbitmq status check | 18:05 |
| dkalleg | ok | 18:05 |
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| vipul | #action sputnik13 to fill in details for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cue/+spec/kafka | 18:05 |
| vipul | davideagnello: yt? | 18:06 |
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| vipul | #action davideagnello to file a BP for https://bugs.launchpad.net/cue/+bug/1438939 | 18:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1438939 in Cue "Cue CLI cluster list fields should show cluster size" [Wishlist,New] | 18:06 |
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| vipul | Any discussion topics to bring up? | 18:06 |
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| sputnik13 | l/ | 18:07 |
| esmute_ | python 34 | 18:07 |
| sputnik13 | o/ | 18:07 |
| davideagnello | o/ | 18:07 |
| vipul | #topic Python 34 | 18:07 |
| sputnik13 | we have bugs to discuss | 18:07 |
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| vipul | esmute_: go | 18:07 |
| esmute_ | whoever has some cycle, there is this #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/210598/ | 18:07 |
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| davideagnello | BP for updating python cue client is created | 18:07 |
| esmute_ | and #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211277/ | 18:07 |
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| esmute_ | i have corrected some errors but there a a few mores.. | 18:08 |
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| esmute_ | ill try to get them this week... | 18:08 |
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| esmute_ | the job is non-voting now.. | 18:08 |
| davideagnello | wanted to bring up a new BP I added on multi-broker support #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cue/+spec/multi-broker-support | 18:08 |
| esmute_ | but it will be voting once i resolved all the python3 issues... | 18:08 |
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| sputnik13 | vipul ^ for next topic | 18:09 |
| vipul | esmute_: does the python34 job do a good job of idenfying what needs to be fixed? | 18:09 |
| vipul | sputnik13: davideagnello yea.. next time please update https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Cue :) | 18:09 |
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| esmute_ | yes.. .it creates a python 3.4 env to run tox on | 18:09 |
| sputnik13 | sir yes sir | 18:09 |
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| esmute_ | most of the issues has to do with encoding unicode and strings | 18:09 |
| davideagnello | while working on the username/password feature, it was evident that we need to assess this properly | 18:09 |
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| vipul | davideagnello: yep.. let's wait for that topic | 18:10 |
| vipul | ok esmute_ so you just need eyes on the patch? | 18:10 |
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| davideagnello | vilobhmm1: ok | 18:10 |
| davideagnello | vipul: ok | 18:10 |
| sputnik13 | WRT python 3.4, yeah str vs unicode is going to be an issue in multiple places | 18:10 |
| esmute_ | vipul: i need to resolve more issues and then ill put it up for review | 18:10 |
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| sputnik13 | in general we shouldn't try to work around this with a decode('utf8') | 18:10 |
| esmute_ | there are so many of them sputnik13 | 18:10 |
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| vipul | what's the right fix? | 18:11 |
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| sputnik13 | there will be places where it's unavoidable, but I think it should be a last resort | 18:11 |
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| sputnik13 | esmute_: yeah I'm sure there are, I think there's little to nothing we did to make sure the code is ok for both 2.x and 3.x :) | 18:12 |
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| esmute_ | vipul: im just replacing any StringIO objects to unicode or byte array | 18:12 |
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| sputnik13 | vipul: in instances where we're specifying the string it shouldn't be a problem, right, but one of the cases was where we were loading a json file | 18:12 |
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| esmute_ | i think sputnik13 mentioned there is a library in oslo to use that will work for both 2.x and 3.x | 18:12 |
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| sputnik13 | the json library has support for loading from a file directly, which works fine, but we were reading the file we were reading as a binary blob then passing to json as a string | 18:13 |
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| sputnik13 | since the 3.x version expects the string to be a 3.4 string (i.e. unicode) and we were passing in a binary blob (which is a string in 2.x) it was breaking | 18:13 |
| esmute_ | anyways.. i just need to take a day or so and should be able to get them | 18:13 |
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| sputnik13 | the "right thing" in that instance is to use the json lib function for loading from file | 18:14 |
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| esmute_ | sputnik13: is there an oslo lib to read the json data? | 18:14 |
| vipul | got it.. yea we should do that instead of a band-aid for cases like json parsing | 18:14 |
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| sputnik13 | esmute_: no, don't need to use oslo, json already supports reading a file, but we were passing the contents of the file for some reason | 18:15 |
| esmute_ | sputnik13: got it | 18:15 |
| sputnik13 | so the fix there was to use the json function for reading from file, and pass the file path to it | 18:15 |
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| sputnik13 | I think in most cases unicode vs string won't be an issue, unless we're dealing with files | 18:15 |
| sputnik13 | because string literals in 3.x is treated as unicode by default | 18:16 |
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| esmute_ | yeah.. i was bandaid them by explicitly passing a utf8 encoding to them | 18:16 |
| vipul | We shoudl also look at how other project approached this migration.. we can't be alone | 18:16 |
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| sputnik13 | right, but files aren't always utf8 | 18:17 |
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| sputnik13 | that's the crux of the issue with "casting" to utf8 | 18:17 |
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| esmute_ | vipul: yeah.. but not many projects support py34 yet... let alone have a voting job | 18:17 |
| sputnik13 | we're trailblazers, yay! :) | 18:18 |
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| vipul | or the jailblazers | 18:18 |
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| vipul | ok anything else on this? | 18:18 |
| esmute_ | anyways.. i just need to have sometimes alone to focus on this and get this to work | 18:18 |
| sputnik13 | anyway, I think the main point is, we have a 3.4 job, which is good | 18:18 |
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| sputnik13 | and since we're not on some timeline to fix things, let's try and fix them the right way | 18:19 |
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| sputnik13 | I also don't think we should have a single patch for all 3.4 fixes | 18:19 |
| esmute_ | why not sputnik13? | 18:19 |
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| sputnik13 | because there will inevitably be some fix or other that takes a while | 18:20 |
| sputnik13 | and 3.4 is low on our priority list | 18:20 |
| esmute_ | if they are all in one patch, we can make sure we address all the fix and make the job voting | 18:20 |
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| sputnik13 | esmute_: right and that patch can be outstanding for a long time... so, rebase hell | 18:20 |
| sputnik13 | :) | 18:20 |
| vipul | if we can get to that point quickly i agree esmute_ but what will end up happening is new code might keep breaking things as well | 18:20 |
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| vipul | until you start merging stuff in and teaching the rest of us what to avoid ;) | 18:21 |
| sputnik13 | right | 18:21 |
| esmute_ | how would you guys know that these changes is actually fixing the issue? | 18:21 |
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| sputnik13 | esmute_: what do you mean | 18:21 |
| esmute_ | wouldnt the gate passing tell you whether the patch is correct? | 18:22 |
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| esmute_ | sputnik13: if i submit a patch to fix some partial py34 errors, how can we validate that? | 18:22 |
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| sputnik13 | we are presumably addressing specific errors in the gate with each patch | 18:22 |
| sputnik13 | as long as it doesn't break 2.7 it should be OK | 18:22 |
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| sputnik13 | the overall goal is to work toward 3.4 passing | 18:22 |
| esmute_ | ok | 18:23 |
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| vipul | esmute_: i nominate you to educate the rest of us at some point on what to avoid going forward | 18:23 |
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| sputnik13 | but because there's no priority on this, I'm just saying that patch can be outstanding for a long long time | 18:23 |
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| esmute_ | ill look at what is there, change any bandages for better optimal solutions and rebase | 18:23 |
| sputnik13 | and it'll have to be rebased over that time | 18:23 |
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| sputnik13 | and if whatever code was fixed for 3.4 gets modified then merged, then there will be merge conflicts | 18:24 |
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| esmute_ | vipul: ok.. ill come out with a do/dont list for python3 during the thursday meeting | 18:24 |
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| vipul | ok let's move on | 18:24 |
| sputnik13 | ok | 18:24 |
| vipul | #topic multi-broker support | 18:24 |
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| vipul | davideagnello: go | 18:24 |
| davideagnello | wanted to bring up a new BP I added on multi-broker support #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cue/+spec/multi-broker-support | 18:25 |
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| davideagnello | while working on the username/password feature, it was evident that we need to assess this properly | 18:25 |
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| davideagnello | this will be required when we will add the next broker to Cue | 18:25 |
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| sputnik13 | I nominate davideagnello to shepherd this through }:-) | 18:26 |
| vipul | is this specifically internal refactoring? or are we talking about a wholistic concept of brokers | 18:26 |
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| esmute_ | sputnik13: i think he is already nominated by default :p | 18:26 |
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| sputnik13 | esmute_: agreed, I'm suggesting we make it public record ;-) | 18:26 |
| davideagnello | I think it will at least require some refactoring, but maybe we want more thought on how to approach this | 18:26 |
| esmute_ | vipul: a little bit of both but more of the latter | 18:26 |
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| davideagnello | haha | 18:27 |
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| davideagnello | maybe we want to support a plug-in type model, maybe not | 18:27 |
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| sputnik13 | right, we can apply little patches here and there but supporting multiple brokers is a big enough thing we should probably give it more thought upfront | 18:27 |
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| davideagnello | sputnik13: yes | 18:28 |
| esmute_ | we need to come out with concepts to have brokers pluggables.. they can be done as strategies (like trove datastore) | 18:28 |
| sputnik13 | I like the plug-in model as it will allow broker vendors to add support for their brokers | 18:28 |
| vipul | so we need to support multiple brokers.. we need to allow the user to pick what they want.. and brokers have inherent differences that we need to accoutn for | 18:28 |
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| sputnik13 | and we can get more contributors as an extension | 18:28 |
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| sputnik13 | then, mid-cycle! | 18:28 |
| vipul | sputnik13: yes.. and we need external vendors to be able to do this without having to be in-tree | 18:28 |
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| davideagnello | plug-in model will require for our api to be extensible as well | 18:29 |
| esmute_ | are we storing any information about the broker in the DB? | 18:29 |
| sputnik13 | not having to be in-tree would make things easier on both parties (cue-core and plugins) | 18:29 |
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| davideagnello | esmute_: nope, not right now | 18:29 |
| sputnik13 | however, I don't think that's a requirement to having a plugin model | 18:29 |
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| sputnik13 | davideagnello: not true | 18:29 |
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| sputnik13 | we do have the broker concept, it's just incomplete | 18:30 |
| sputnik13 | and there's no validation | 18:30 |
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| davideagnello | since different brokers might enable new features or options that would have to be translated through our api? | 18:30 |
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| sputnik13 | I think that depends | 18:30 |
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| davideagnello | sputnik13: yes, we don't validate brokers currently since we inherently assume rabbitmq :) | 18:31 |
| esmute_ | ok looks like someone (davideagnello) should come out with a general way to do this in a BP.... and in the mean time, whatever feature we do, we just have to keep an open mind about future support for multiple brokers | 18:31 |
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| sputnik13 | yes "someone" needs to document these things | 18:31 |
| vipul | IMO we need to be able to model features / cluster characteristics outside of the 'create cluster' api | 18:31 |
| esmute_ | and then we can have something concrete to talk about | 18:31 |
| sputnik13 | :) | 18:31 |
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| sputnik13 | right | 18:31 |
| vipul | esmute_: +1 | 18:31 |
| sputnik13 | +100000 | 18:31 |
| davideagnello | ok, makes sense | 18:31 |
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| vipul | so, yes.. we need to do this.. and sounds like davideagnello is going to work on this | 18:32 |
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| vipul | anythign else to discuss on this? | 18:32 |
| sputnik13 | I think there's value in keeping the API simple and keeping specific broker features outside of the API | 18:32 |
| esmute_ | davideagnello: i like pretty pictures :p | 18:32 |
| davideagnello | lol, yeah sure | 18:32 |
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| sputnik13 | but maybe there's some opportunity to model things to be agnostic to these differences at the API level | 18:32 |
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| sputnik13 | and now that we have this fancy shmancy API doc generator, it should actually be easier for us to version the API | 18:33 |
| davideagnello | sputnik13: can you clarify? | 18:33 |
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| davideagnello | " to be agnostic to these differences at the API level" | 18:33 |
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| vipul | i think he means at the 'create cluster' api level | 18:33 |
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| sputnik13 | "cluster" doesn't necessarily have to be aware of each broker | 18:34 |
| esmute_ | sputnik13: data bags all the things! | 18:34 |
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| sputnik13 | right | 18:34 |
| davideagnello | vipul: ok | 18:34 |
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| sputnik13 | in so far as we're more about creating and managing clusters, we shouldn't add support for all of the different wizzbang features of all brokers to the cluster API | 18:34 |
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| vipul | other projects that do clustering approach this via cluster templates / cluster blueprints | 18:35 |
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| sputnik13 | esmute_: that's one approach | 18:35 |
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| vipul | so that they can keep the provisioning api simple and get reuse of templates | 18:35 |
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| davideagnello | ok, will look into how others are supporting this currently | 18:35 |
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| vipul | for example.. sahara.. or ambari | 18:35 |
| davideagnello | ok | 18:36 |
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| vipul | trove takes the databag approach | 18:36 |
| vipul | so both could work | 18:36 |
| davideagnello | what do you mean by databag? | 18:36 |
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| sputnik13 | blob | 18:36 |
| esmute_ | sputnik13: i meant to reference the meme :p | 18:36 |
| vipul | generic dictionary to hold contents that are specific to borkers | 18:36 |
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| vipul | borkers lol | 18:36 |
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| sputnik13 | freudian slip | 18:37 |
| sputnik13 | we know what you're really thinking now | 18:37 |
| vipul | ;D | 18:37 |
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| vipul | ok anyway.. i think you got some requirements and some opinions at the same time | 18:37 |
| vipul | davideagnello: ^ | 18:37 |
| davideagnello | ok, got it. kind of how we are supporting different auth types | 18:37 |
| sputnik13 | yes | 18:38 |
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| sputnik13 | go write it up and let the bashing begin | 18:38 |
| sputnik13 | errr feedback loop | 18:38 |
| sputnik13 | :-D | 18:38 |
| vipul | let's use the openstack wiki and link to the BP | 18:38 |
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| davideagnello | lol | 18:38 |
| sputnik13 | or we can do specs | 18:39 |
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| sputnik13 | specs would be more in line with openstack | 18:39 |
| vipul | errr.. | 18:39 |
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| vipul | not quite ready for that | 18:39 |
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| vipul | i don't want to hold this up for that | 18:39 |
| vipul | this is a good summit discussion topic | 18:39 |
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| sputnik13 | you're not emotionally ready to dive in to specs, I understand | 18:39 |
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| sputnik13 | do we have rooms for the summit? | 18:40 |
| vipul | i don't know if it is the solution either ;) | 18:40 |
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| vipul | ok anything else? | 18:40 |
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| vipul | #topic summit topics | 18:40 |
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| vipul | now i will answer your question sputnik13 ;) | 18:40 |
| sputnik13 | do we automatically get rooms for the summit or does that need to be requested? | 18:40 |
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| vipul | yes.. we can get dedicated rooms | 18:40 |
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| esmute_ | vipul: because of big tent? | 18:41 |
| vipul | ttx has already approached me, i need to get him a count | 18:41 |
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| sputnik13 | is there going to be anyone there in the room? | 18:41 |
| sputnik13 | ;) | 18:41 |
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| vipul | so here's there format | 18:41 |
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| esmute_ | well, if we all could go, we can expect at least 7 there :p | 18:41 |
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| sputnik13 | you should talk to meg about that | 18:42 |
| vipul | ugh internet issues.. | 18:42 |
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| vipul | trying to load up paste.o.o | 18:42 |
| sputnik13 | :) | 18:42 |
| vipul | * Fishbowl slots (Wed-Thu) | 18:42 |
| sputnik13 | I support you 10000% | 18:42 |
| vipul | Our traditional largish rooms organized in fishbowl style, with | 18:42 |
| vipul | advertised session content on the summit schedule for increased external | 18:42 |
| vipul | participation. Ideal for when wider feedback is essential. | 18:42 |
| vipul | * Workroom slots (Tue-Thu) | 18:42 |
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| vipul | Small rooms organized in boardroom style, with topic buried in the | 18:42 |
| vipul | session description, in an effort to limit attendance and not overcrowd | 18:42 |
| vipul | the room. Ideal to get work done and prioritize work in small teams. New | 18:42 |
| vipul | in Tokyo: those rooms now come with a large monitor in case you want to | 18:42 |
| vipul | display common stuff. | 18:42 |
| vipul | * Contributors meetup (Fri) | 18:42 |
| vipul | Half-day session(s) on the Friday to get into the Mitaka action while | 18:42 |
| vipul | decisions and plans are still hot, or to finish discussions started | 18:42 |
| vipul | during the week, whatever works for you. | 18:42 |
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| vipul | or better https://gist.github.com/vipulsabhaya/cf6566d899821cce1816 | 18:43 |
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| vipul | I think we should do 1 fishbowl slot for 'multi-broker' support | 18:43 |
| sputnik13 | I think we want more participation so fishbowl for sure | 18:43 |
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| esmute_ | vipul: when do we know who can go to the summit? | 18:43 |
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| vipul | any other topics that deserve fishbowl? | 18:43 |
| vipul | esmute_: i'll answer on internal chat ;) | 18:44 |
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| sputnik13 | I thought we couldn't say the i word on irc | 18:44 |
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| sputnik13 | :) | 18:45 |
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| sputnik13 | other topics for fishbowl... next broker to support? | 18:45 |
| vipul | so any other topics for summit.. i'm thinking 1 fishbowl and 1 workroom | 18:45 |
| sputnik13 | that could be fishbowl or workroom | 18:45 |
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| vipul | sputnik13: yes | 18:45 |
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| vipul | i don't know if it's a fishbowl though | 18:46 |
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| davideagnello | self healing clusters? | 18:46 |
| esmute_ | vipul: i would say the workroom should be sufficient.. | 18:46 |
| sputnik13 | is there any coverage on the nova role thing we talked about at the last summit? | 18:46 |
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| esmute_ | it would look less empty :) | 18:46 |
| sputnik13 | about how services need different roles for service VMs | 18:46 |
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| sputnik13 | so that they can exist in a special state alongside tenants' VMs | 18:47 |
| vipul | sputnik13: no that kind of died.. | 18:47 |
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| vipul | that should be a cross-project session | 18:48 |
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| vipul | we should submit one | 18:48 |
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| sputnik13 | maybe it's not roles per se, but some attribute to mark service VMs as different from user VMs so they can reside on the same tenant | 18:48 |
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| sputnik13 | it's a good idea | 18:48 |
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| sputnik13 | did it die because nobody was driving it, or because there's opposition? | 18:48 |
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| vipul | davideagnello: that's a lofty topic.. i would like to keep them to things we can accomplish in M | 18:49 |
| vipul | davideagnello: i think there is a lot of stuff that woudl build into that | 18:49 |
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| vipul | sputnik13: lack of a driver | 18:49 |
| davideagnello | vipul: ok, to accomplish within a milestone? | 18:49 |
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| esmute_ | we also need to talk about how to link broker management web UI | 18:50 |
| esmute_ | which would probably require support for FIP | 18:50 |
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| esmute_ | and of course a feature to grow/shrink clusters | 18:51 |
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| vipul | am i back? | 18:51 |
| vipul | jeez wifi issues | 18:51 |
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| esmute_ | FIP = floating ip | 18:52 |
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| vipul | knock knock | 18:53 |
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| vipul | this thing on? | 18:53 |
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| esmute_ | i read you vipul | 18:53 |
| vipul | ok cool thanks esmute_ | 18:53 |
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| vipul | missed a few messages | 18:53 |
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| vipul | #action vipul sputnik13 to file cross-project summit discussion on service VMs | 18:53 |
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| sputnik13 | davideagnello: self healing cluster would probably be impacted by multi-broker support | 18:54 |
| sputnik13 | ideally we want that to be supported by whatever is supporting the broker | 18:54 |
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| davideagnello | sputnik13: definitely | 18:54 |
| vipul | ok so moving on.. sounds like we have a couple of topics for the summit | 18:54 |
| vipul | #topic open discussion | 18:55 |
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| sputnik13 | we have bugs, but I don't think we have time for it | 18:55 |
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| vipul | yea we can cover those next meeting | 18:55 |
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| vipul | going once.. | 18:55 |
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| sputnik13 | I think we're good | 18:56 |
| vipul | #endmeeting | 18:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 1 18:56:11 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cue/2015/cue.2015-09-01-18.01.html | 18:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cue/2015/cue.2015-09-01-18.01.txt | 18:56 |
| sputnik13 | lunch time | 18:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cue/2015/cue.2015-09-01-18.01.log.html | 18:56 |
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| adrian_otto | #statmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 21:00 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2015-08-25_2100_UTC Our Agenda | 21:00 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 21:00 |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 21:00 |
| muralia | murali allada | 21:00 |
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| adrian_otto | hello muralia | 21:00 |
| adrian_otto | hello devkulkarni | 21:00 |
| muralia | hey adrian. | 21:00 |
| devkulkarni | Devdatta Kulkarni | 21:00 |
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| devkulkarni | hi adrian_otto | 21:00 |
| devkulkarni | hi muralia | 21:00 |
| muralia | o/ | 21:00 |
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| devkulkarni | today james_li and datsun180b are out | 21:01 |
| muralia | i know james is not going to make it today. right dev? | 21:01 |
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| devkulkarni | yes, that is correct muralia | 21:02 |
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| devkulkarni | ed also is going to miss today | 21:02 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 21:03 |
| adrian_otto | (devkulkarni) Solum namespace migration scheduled to happen on September 11 2015 at 23:00 UTC | 21:03 |
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| adrian_otto | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-August/073049.html | 21:03 |
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| devkulkarni | so last week there was this email ^^ | 21:03 |
| devkulkarni | on Sept 11 solum projects are going to be moved | 21:03 |
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| muralia | nice. | 21:04 |
| devkulkarni | we may have to keep an eye for our downstream CI systems | 21:04 |
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| adrian_otto | any other annoucements? | 21:04 |
| devkulkarni | none from me | 21:04 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 21:04 |
| adrian_otto | any? | 21:04 |
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| devkulkarni | no, there were not any specific action items from last time | 21:05 |
| adrian_otto | (none) | 21:05 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Blueprint/Task Review and Discussion | 21:05 |
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| adrian_otto | (devkulkarni) Request to review API patches. (Notes: These patches add the workflow resource and connect it to the Solum worker (and deployer)) | 21:05 |
| devkulkarni | ok, I have some updates on this | 21:05 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/214308 | 21:05 |
| mkam | Melissa Kam | 21:05 |
| mkam | sorry I'm late | 21:05 |
| devkulkarni | hi mkam | 21:05 |
| adrian_otto | hello mkam | 21:05 |
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| devkulkarni | so the update is that, recently WSME 0.8.0 version was release | 21:06 |
| adrian_otto | should I list each of the links? | 21:06 |
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| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: no need actually | 21:06 |
| adrian_otto | ok | 21:06 |
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| devkulkarni | so the latest version of WSME has added strict checks on the input validation | 21:06 |
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| adrian_otto | that's good | 21:07 |
| devkulkarni | we have functionaltests for assemblies and components which are failing due to this | 21:07 |
| muralia | hmm ok | 21:07 |
| devkulkarni | I debugged the issue with assemblies | 21:07 |
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| devkulkarni | we need to declare things like base_url in the API data model for assembly | 21:07 |
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| devkulkarni | also, we need to make our test data better | 21:08 |
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| devkulkarni | by not passing in unused attributes | 21:08 |
| devkulkarni | I haven't looked at what is causing components to fail | 21:08 |
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| devkulkarni | so I was going to propose the following | 21:08 |
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| devkulkarni | in order to unblock these set of API patches, I was going to suggest that let me pin the WSME version to 0.7.0 in these set of patches | 21:09 |
| devkulkarni | I will create a separate patch | 21:09 |
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| adrian_otto | that makes sense in the short term | 21:09 |
| devkulkarni | to fix the issues that are coming up with using WSME 0.8.0 | 21:09 |
| muralia | +1 | 21:09 |
| devkulkarni | cool | 21:09 |
| devkulkarni | thanks adrian_otto and muralia | 21:09 |
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| devkulkarni | so then, that is all for that review item | 21:09 |
| adrian_otto | we have been peeling back parts of WSME for some time now | 21:09 |
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| adrian_otto | how much of it are we still using? | 21:10 |
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| devkulkarni | true.. | 21:10 |
| devkulkarni | we still use it for validating the input models | 21:10 |
| devkulkarni | it is currently used in all the resources | 21:10 |
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| adrian_otto | ok | 21:10 |
| devkulkarni | on a related note | 21:10 |
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| devkulkarni | there was a thread recently on the dev list to see if there are alternate/other rest libraries that can be used in stead of wsme | 21:11 |
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| devkulkarni | so looks like other projects are also going away from wsme | 21:11 |
| adrian_otto | tightening the func tests sounds smart anyway | 21:11 |
| devkulkarni | yes | 21:11 |
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| adrian_otto | regardless of that decision | 21:11 |
| devkulkarni | I will do that with the separate patch that adds wsme0.8.0 | 21:11 |
| devkulkarni | yes | 21:11 |
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| adrian_otto | ok | 21:11 |
| adrian_otto | next subtopic is: | 21:11 |
| adrian_otto | (devkulkarni) Request to review CLI patches. (Notes: These patches add interactive input functionality to the new app commands.) | 21:11 |
| devkulkarni | here too, no need to list the CLI patches | 21:12 |
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| devkulkarni | quick word on this.. | 21:12 |
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| devkulkarni | so, coupled with the introduction of the 'app' and 'workflow' resource on the API side | 21:12 |
| devkulkarni | we have to change the CLI to interact with these resources | 21:12 |
| devkulkarni | the above patches make this CLI change | 21:12 |
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| devkulkarni | so 'solum app deploy' on CLI is going to do POST on '/v1/apps/app-id/workflows' | 21:13 |
| devkulkarni | and so so | 21:13 |
| devkulkarni | on | 21:13 |
| muralia | I was waiting for all the CLI patches to be rebased before I review them, which dev has done. im looking at them now. most look good and have a +1 from jenkins. i'll review all of them today | 21:13 |
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| devkulkarni | the current 'app' is renamed to 'oldapp' | 21:13 |
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| devkulkarni | muralia: thanks!! | 21:13 |
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| devkulkarni | just a fyi, once we merge these patches | 21:14 |
| devkulkarni | we can start interacting with the new app and workflow resources from CLI | 21:14 |
| devkulkarni | but note that | 21:14 |
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| adrian_otto | I can look at them too | 21:14 |
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| devkulkarni | all the functionality of the current CLI app command is not yet ported to work with the 'app' resource yet | 21:14 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: awesome | 21:14 |
| devkulkarni | that will be helpful | 21:14 |
| muralia | have you added new sample app files to the examples folder? | 21:15 |
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| devkulkarni | muralia: yes | 21:15 |
| muralia | cool | 21:15 |
| adrian_otto | you have a statment of caution about releasing the client to pypi | 21:15 |
| devkulkarni | it is the last patch in the API side of patches | 21:15 |
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| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: :) | 21:15 |
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| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: you guessed is absolutely right | 21:15 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, so when we merge everything that was on review | 21:16 |
| devkulkarni | we should not release to pypi till we have ported over all the current functionality to work with the app and workflow resources | 21:16 |
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| adrian_otto | then we can release the client again, right? | 21:16 |
| adrian_otto | ok | 21:16 |
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| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: actually, we can release when all the functionality has been ported. But | 21:16 |
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| devkulkarni | the patches that are out there for CLI does not yet cover all the functionality | 21:17 |
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| devkulkarni | I will be sending those patches in next couple of weeks | 21:17 |
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| devkulkarni | but I want the above patches to be merged so that we can start exercising the app and workflow resources from cli | 21:17 |
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| devkulkarni | once all the CLI functionality is ported I will let you know | 21:17 |
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| devkulkarni | we can cut the pypi release then | 21:18 |
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| devkulkarni | that is all on that review item sub-topic | 21:18 |
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| adrian_otto | this oldapp business looks pretty mickey mouse | 21:18 |
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| adrian_otto | this is temporary, right? | 21:18 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: yes, this is temporary | 21:18 |
| devkulkarni | once we have ported over, we will delete that | 21:19 |
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| devkulkarni | (as we already have CLI for 'plan') | 21:19 |
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| devkulkarni | we won't need 'oldapp' once all of that functionality is moved over to the 'app' cli commands | 21:19 |
| devkulkarni | I can list here the remaining things: | 21:19 |
| devkulkarni | 1) setting up of git triggers (big one) | 21:19 |
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| devkulkarni | 2) all the interactive inputs | 21:20 |
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| devkulkarni | 3) app logs | 21:20 |
| devkulkarni | those three items are remaining | 21:20 |
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| devkulkarni | I will be sending patches for above soon | 21:21 |
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| devkulkarni | (later this week or early next week) | 21:21 |
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| adrian_otto | most of these are not linked to a blueprint or a bug number | 21:24 |
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| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: good point | 21:24 |
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| devkulkarni | I can register a blueprint and add a reference to it | 21:24 |
| devkulkarni | in all | 21:24 |
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| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: while we have you and muralia, can I ask some magnum related questions? | 21:27 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Magnum Integration | 21:28 |
| devkulkarni | +1 | 21:29 |
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| devkulkarni | so main question that I had was the following: | 21:29 |
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| devkulkarni | from solum user's point of view (i.e. the application developer/deployer), is the abstraction of bay relevant? or the bay abstraction relevant to the operator of Solum | 21:30 |
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| devkulkarni | would bay creation happen on the fly, as part of application deployment, or would bays be already created? | 21:31 |
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| adrian_otto | when you create an app, you'd create a bay for it | 21:31 |
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| adrian_otto | then when you deploy that app, that would put containers into the bay | 21:32 |
| devkulkarni | or, conceptually, it would be — first create a bay of n hosts, then use k8s/swarm heat resource to schedule m instances of app on it | 21:32 |
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| adrian_otto | the trick is how to allow a scale down to a bay of zero nodes | 21:32 |
| devkulkarni | I see | 21:32 |
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| devkulkarni | app stop probably would be the trigger to do that, no? | 21:32 |
| adrian_otto | another option would be to have a bay per tenant | 21:33 |
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| adrian_otto | and use the Kubernetes bay type | 21:33 |
| adrian_otto | and use a pod for each app | 21:33 |
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| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: if we create a bay on app create, then there is a potential that the bay nodes would never be used if the app is never deployed | 21:33 |
| adrian_otto | yes, app stop could resize the bay to zero nodes… but keep in mind that's not possible today. | 21:33 |
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| adrian_otto | because you need at least one bay node to run the API for the COE | 21:33 |
| devkulkarni | I see | 21:34 |
| devkulkarni | oh okay | 21:34 |
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| adrian_otto | but it is possible to adjust magnum to allow it | 21:34 |
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| dimtruck | devkulkarni: not sure if you also wanted clarity on /container-* resources in magnum | 21:34 |
| adrian_otto | you'd just need logic to kick of the equivalent of a bay_create when you increase the bay node count from 0 to a nonzero value | 21:34 |
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| devkulkarni | dimtruck: yes, coming to that | 21:35 |
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| dimtruck | :) sorry | 21:35 |
| adrian_otto | hello dimtruck | 21:35 |
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| dimtruck | hi adrian_otto :) sorry, i joined late and was lurking | 21:35 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/193174 Add Bay to the Magnum resources | 21:35 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: ok, understood. so I get now that we could create the bay of non-zero nodes as part of 'app create' | 21:35 |
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| devkulkarni | at the 'app deploy' step, we would be directly interacting with the coe via corresponding heat resource to cause deployment of the app's pod on the created bay, right? | 21:36 |
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| devkulkarni | the coe heat resource will take care of scheduling the app containers (Solum's DUs) on the created bay | 21:37 |
| devkulkarni | is that fair understanding of scheduling/deployment | 21:38 |
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| muralia | sounds right to me. thats how I was envisioning it | 21:39 |
| devkulkarni | muralia: cool | 21:39 |
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| devkulkarni | so then we need to check if there are heat resources for the coes (k8s, docker-swarm, etc.) | 21:39 |
| adrian_otto | that heat feature is taking a really long time to merge | 21:39 |
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| devkulkarni | I can check with the heat team here if we can pitch in | 21:40 |
| devkulkarni | on a related note, as dimtruck was mentioning earlier | 21:40 |
| devkulkarni | what are the container-* commands in the magnum cli? | 21:40 |
| devkulkarni | do they interact with the coe | 21:41 |
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| adrian_otto | I just emailed the author asking what's up with that heat resource patch for magnum bays | 21:42 |
| devkulkarni | +1 | 21:42 |
| devkulkarni | thanks adrian_otto | 21:42 |
| adrian_otto | the container-* commands do interact with the coe | 21:43 |
| adrian_otto | so you can actually CRUD containers through the magnum API | 21:43 |
| devkulkarni | ok.. so in that case | 21:43 |
| adrian_otto | or you can drip down to the native API for the COE, and do it that way | 21:43 |
| adrian_otto | if you do, then those resources will not be visible through the magnum API though | 21:43 |
| adrian_otto | that should make sense I hope | 21:44 |
| devkulkarni | yes, that makes sense. I was thinking till the heat coe resources are not available, we could use the python-magnumclient and use the container-* commands | 21:44 |
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| adrian_otto | but you totally can just use Heat to create a bay, and then run docker against the bay's master address(es) | 21:44 |
| devkulkarni | of course, we will need the heat bay resource finished | 21:44 |
| adrian_otto | or run kubectl against it | 21:45 |
| adrian_otto | right | 21:45 |
| devkulkarni | ok, makes sense | 21:45 |
| devkulkarni | cool | 21:45 |
| adrian_otto | that code is really pretty straightforward. | 21:45 |
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| adrian_otto | I just think it needs someone to bird dog it to get it in | 21:45 |
| devkulkarni | randallburt is out, but I will touch base with him | 21:45 |
| adrian_otto | 246 lines of code | 21:45 |
| adrian_otto | no biggie | 21:45 |
| devkulkarni | to see if we can push that along | 21:45 |
| adrian_otto | cool, thanks | 21:46 |
| devkulkarni | thanks to you and muralia for discussing/brainstorming about magnum | 21:46 |
| muralia | sure | 21:46 |
| devkulkarni | I now have better understanding/clarity about how solum would integrate with magnum | 21:46 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Dicsussion | 21:46 |
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| devkulkarni | nothing from me | 21:47 |
| adrian_otto | we can wrap up if we covered all the fun stuff already ;-) | 21:47 |
| devkulkarni | you can probably call it adrian_otto | 21:47 |
| adrian_otto | cool. | 21:47 |
| devkulkarni | yes | 21:47 |
| adrian_otto | our next meeting is Tuesday 2015-09-01 at 2100 UTC | 21:48 |
| adrian_otto | see you then!! | 21:48 |
| adrian_otto | thanks devkulkarni for chairing last week!! | 21:48 |
| devkulkarni | sure | 21:48 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 21:48 |
| muralia | see you guys | 21:48 |
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| adrian_otto | hmm, maybe the MeetBot crashed during this meeting? | 21:49 |
| devkulkarni | looks like | 21:49 |
| adrian_otto | oh, it never started | 21:49 |
| devkulkarni | what happens now? | 21:49 |
| devkulkarni | oh! | 21:49 |
| adrian_otto | I did not give a proper startmeeting command | 21:49 |
| devkulkarni | so we won't have logs for this meeting I guess | 21:50 |
| adrian_otto | I have an idea | 21:50 |
| adrian_otto | I'll take care of it | 21:50 |
| devkulkarni | cool | 21:50 |
| devkulkarni | thanks adrian_otto | 21:50 |
| devkulkarni | see you all next week | 21:50 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 21:52 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 1 21:52:55 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:52 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 21:52 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 21:52 |
| adrian_otto | Meeting transcript here: | 21:53 |
| adrian_otto | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/438800/ | 21:53 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 21:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:53 | |
| devkulkarni | nice | 21:53 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 1 21:53:10 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-09-01-21.52.html | 21:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-09-01-21.52.txt | 21:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-09-01-21.52.log.html | 21:53 |
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| adrian_otto | there we go, at least we have a record of it now | 21:53 |
| devkulkarni | cool idea adrian_otto | 21:53 |
| adrian_otto | take care | 21:53 |
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