Thursday, 2015-09-17

SridarKHi00:00
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hoangcxHi SridarK00:00
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mickeysHi00:00
annpHi00:00
SridarKI think sc68cal: is out today as well, so xgerman & i will run the mtg00:01
SridarK#startmeeting Networking FWaaS00:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep 17 00:01:30 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is SridarK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.00:01
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SridarK#chair xgerman00:01
openstackCurrent chairs: SridarK xgerman00:01
SridarKquick one today00:02
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SridarK#topic Bugs00:02
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SridarK#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/149624400:02
openstackLaunchpad bug 1496244 in neutron "rule change via GUI/CLI puts FW in ERROR mode" [Undecided,New]00:02
SridarKthis is new, looks to be on Kilo similar to the rule update issue fixed earlier00:03
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SridarKi will take a look at this to see if this is indeed the earlier issue00:03
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SridarK#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/149623900:03
openstackLaunchpad bug 1496239 in neutron "neutron-fwaas check_migartion fails" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Akihiro Motoki (amotoki)00:03
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badveli_hello all00:04
SridarKThis is in review00:04
badveli_sorry logged in other channel00:04
SridarKbadveli_: no worries, hi00:04
badveli_hello sridark00:04
SridarK#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/149214200:04
openstackLaunchpad bug 1492142 in neutron "FWaaS: FIP namespace created after/before Firewall creation doesn't contain FW rules" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Sridar Kandaswamy (skandasw)00:04
SridarKthis is on me, have been tied up - will debug this and sync with bharathm00:05
jwarendt+100:05
SridarKwe can then decide on prioritizing00:05
SridarK#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/149163700:05
openstackLaunchpad bug 1491637 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "Error when adding a new Firewall Rule" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Rob Cresswell (robcresswell)00:05
SridarKi confirmed this and also sent out a reminder to Rob00:06
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SridarKI will follow up with him to see that this is addressed in Horizon as this is a major issue for us00:06
SridarK#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/148759900:07
openstackLaunchpad bug 1487599 in neutron "fwaas - ip_version and IP address conflicts are not raised" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Sean M. Collins (scollins)00:07
SridarKThis is in progress00:07
SridarKThose were some of the bugs i mined00:07
SridarKothers pls add anything i have missed00:08
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SridarKok if nothing else we can move on00:09
badveli_nothing much00:09
SridarKthanks badveli_00:09
SridarK#topic Roadmap00:09
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badveli_https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/149624400:10
openstackLaunchpad bug 1496244 in neutron "rule change via GUI/CLI puts FW in ERROR mode" [Undecided,New]00:10
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badveli_sorry sridar this one is similar to what we discussed before00:11
SridarKbadveli_: we discussed that already00:11
xgermanso it’s dupe?00:11
SridarKjust b4 u joined00:11
xgerman(sorry for being late)00:11
badveli_yes looks like00:11
SridarKwill need to eval00:11
SridarKit does seem so00:11
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SridarKit is on Kilo00:11
badveli_ok, thanks00:11
SridarKi believe the fix was put into Kilo as well00:11
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SridarKjust need to verify the version00:11
xgermanso regression error>00:12
SridarKxgerman: yes most likely00:12
SridarKmickeys: Swami said that he will ping us on the next trip into the Bay area - so u can get some whiteboard time with him to run thru the DVR interaction00:13
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mickeysSounds good. Do you know when he will be here?00:13
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SridarKmickeys: no, i will send out a reminder to him00:13
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SridarKThe other action on all of us is to converge towards some priorities for M00:15
xgermanwe are on the hook for the API redesign00:16
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SridarKxgerman: +100:16
mickeys+100:16
jwarendt+100:16
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xgerman#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Liberty#Deprecated_Features00:17
SridarKxgerman: talk abt being in the spotlight :-)00:18
badveli_current API will be removed?00:18
hoangcxxgerman: Thanks for point it out00:18
mickeysxgerman: Can you provide any clarification on "removed" wrt backwards compatibility?00:18
xgermantechnically because API was experimental it can be removed in one cycle00:19
xgermanbut we all have customers using it so it’s up to his to figure out something more gracious00:19
xgermanhis=us00:19
madhu_akhi, sorry to be late00:19
badveli_xgerman: would it be better to add API's00:20
bharathmSridarK - sorry got caught up with other work. Lets sync up on the bug whenever you are free00:20
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badveli_xgerman: current modelling is fine00:20
SridarKxgerman: hmm - but it can still stay experimental while we figure out the plan forward ?00:20
SridarKbharathm: yes same problem here too - will ping u00:20
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bharathmSure..00:21
xgermanwell, the Neutron leadership wants to lay the groundwork for a complete reboot00:21
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SridarKxgerman: ok while this opens up more possibilities, the question of backwards compat can still be kept on the table based on feedback00:23
badveli_sridark:+100:23
xgerman+1 as I said backwards compatibility is important for us and our customers00:24
xgermanthe community is often too cavalier when it comes to that00:24
SridarKxgerman: understood and agree00:25
xgermanbut it could just be that we have migration tools00:25
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SridarKonce we get some clarity on the dvr interaction - that will help our thought process on the API as well00:28
mickeysSridarK: I was hoping for that, but Carl seemed to want it the other way around. First some clarity on API, then resolve DVR interactions.00:28
xgermanwell, we need to do the API in any case so I am ok to start there00:29
SridarKmickeys: hmm ok, should we come up with a strawman and see what dvr can support00:29
badveli_Sridark: since we previously had discussion with DVR team00:29
mickeys+100:29
SridarKmickeys: we can use ur etherpad to flush things out00:30
badveli_we have some context, so we can think about the API00:30
SridarKbadveli_: yes, if folks agree we can add content into the etherpad00:30
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mickeysbadveli_: The previous discussions with the DVR team, along with the current discussions with Swami, are all along the lines of making FWaaS work with DVR for east/west as well as north/south. If that is not accepted, then the other solutions change the scope of FWaaS, which impacts the API discussion in a big way.00:31
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SridarKmickeys: +1, i was hoping like u that we can look for feasibility w.r.t to dvr first00:32
mickeysSridarK: It looks like the DVR discussion will take some time and get rather complex. I suspect that we can work out a strawman before Tokyo, but whether the L3 team will accept that strawman might not be clear until Tokyo.00:33
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SridarKmickeys: yes i agree, we should use the face to face time at Tokyo to drill down on the details00:34
xgerman+100:35
SridarKbut a bit of "cart and horse" - i guess the perspectives are different for each team00:35
mickeysWe have to try and progress both as best we can before Tokyo. It is not that we expect resolution before Tokyo, but we need to be pretty far along beforehand, if we want to resolve things in Tokyo.00:36
SridarKSo at least at a high level - we want to be able to be an Edge Firewall and also Firewall VM - VM in a network (the SG angle)00:36
mickeysSridarK: +100:36
SridarKmickeys: agree totally or one more cycle will go by00:37
jwarendt+100:37
SridarKOk so if all of us are on the same page, we can start with that as the highest level and rather generic requirement00:38
bharathmSridarK: +100:38
xgermanyeah, sounds like a plan00:38
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badveli_sridark: fine  we are taking up the cases but did it change very much00:38
xgermanand gets us closer to the goal of a shared backend between SG and FWaaS00:38
badveli_w.r.t DVR00:39
badveli_we had several proposals for east-west traffic00:40
badveli_which was the only thing i assume was missing00:40
SridarKbadveli_: not really, we just need to get to an API that will also work beyond the edge case that we have today00:40
xgermanyeah, the API only needs one reference implementation00:41
xgermanwe can add multiple solutions over time if we want00:41
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xgermanand the have the user/operator pick what’s best for their sistuation00:41
hoangcxxgerman: +100:42
SridarKxgerman: +100:42
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mickeysxgerman:+100:42
mickeysFor the Design Summit, I wonder if we can get separate sessions for FWaaS with DVR and the API discussion. For FWaaS with DVR, we need L3 people in the room with us. For the API, we need those interested in SG in the room.00:43
xgermannow in Vancouver our design session “got derailed” by people complaining about what they don’t like about FWaaS00:44
xgerman(in addition to being packed)00:45
mickeysxgerman: We definitely need a strawman ready to focus the discussion and avoid that outcome00:45
SridarKxgerman: mickeys: even if it is not an official session - we can get the right folks in a room for a constructive discussion00:45
xgermanso what I am saying is that official design sessions != constructive discussions00:46
SridarK:-)00:46
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SridarKok this is good i think atleast all of us are on the same page :-)00:48
xgermanso when are people coming to Tokyo? I will be there Sunday night so we can meet early and hammer stuff out00:48
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ajmillerSunday night00:48
SridarKxgerman: i get on on Sun eve or so00:48
hoangcxYes. I will be there Sunday too.00:48
mickeysStill waiting for approval. Assuming I go, I can arrange to be there on Sunday night.00:49
xgermangreat!! I think they start Tuesday so we have Monday to hammer stuff out ;-)00:49
SridarKxgerman: yes we do have Mon00:49
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xgermanhopefully there will be some time for sight seeing ;-)00:50
SridarKlets use mickeys etherpad:  #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/FWaaS_with_DVR meanwhile to add and discuss00:50
xgerman+100:50
mickeysI thought we would use xgerman's API evolution etherpad for the API discussion00:50
mickeysSorry, sc68cal's API evolution00:51
xgermanyeah sc68cal --00:51
SridarKmickeys: oh ok - forgot abt that - yes makes more sense00:51
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xgermanwe need to come up with some api spec00:51
mickeysxgerman: +100:52
hoangcxmickeys: Can you point the API evolution etherpad out?00:52
xgermansc68cal thing is on trello00:52
SridarKok perfect lets evolve the spec from this ether pad00:52
mickeys#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fwaas-api-evolution-spec00:52
hoangcxmickeys: Thanks :-)00:53
* xgerman was just looking up that link00:53
xgerman6 minutes left… so...00:54
mickeysUse cases, input to the discussion, are at00:54
mickeys#link https://trello.com/b/TIWf4dBJ/fwaas-usecase-categorization00:54
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xgerman+100:55
SridarKok that was a good healthy discussion and we have our first priority to flush out a strawman00:55
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SridarK_Anything else we are nearing the end00:56
SridarK_xgerman: i got bounced out and back in can u pls take us to the end :-)00:57
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reedipIs there a scope of introducing Application based firewall rules in openstack?00:57
xgermanhsure00:57
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xgermanreedip we would love to00:58
xgermanlook at the troll board00:58
SridarK_reedip: this was on the cards yes - but lower priority00:58
xgermantrello00:58
reedipxgerman,sridark_ : Oh ok .. I  will00:58
mickeysWe are also interested, but given how much work is in front of us, I think we should put in the service group / service object redirection first. Then we can add application level stuff inside service object later.00:58
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xgermanwell, one minute00:59
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badveli_mickeys: we are putting it in first phase of mitaka00:59
xgerman#endmeeting01:00
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xgermansorry, time was up01:00
SridarK_ok bye all01:00
SridarK_until next week01:00
xgermanbye all — see you next time :-)01:00
mickeysbye01:00
SridarK_badveli_: yes +101:00
hoangcxBye01:00
bharathmbye01:00
hoangcxAnd thanks for ASAP meeting time :-)01:00
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-openstackstatus- NOTICE: Gate is currently stuck, failing grenade upgrade tests due the release of oslo.utils 1.4.1 for Juno.08:01
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-openstackstatus- NOTICE: Gate back to normal, thanks to the backlisting of the problematic version10:15
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bswartz#startmeeting manila15:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep 17 15:00:03 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'manila'15:00
bswartzhello all15:00
zhongjun2hi15:00
lpetruthi15:00
xyang1Hi15:00
kaisers_Hi15:00
gansohi15:00
markstur_hi15:00
vponomaryovhello15:00
mmartin78hi15:00
rrajahi15:01
bswartz#agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings15:01
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csabahi15:01
dustins\o15:01
bswartzokay 3 topics for today15:01
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bswartz#topic 3rd-party CI status15:01
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bswartzfirst of all, I'm sorry that 2 drivers were removed for not having a reporting CI system -- HDS SOP and IBM GPFS15:02
jasonsbi share that15:02
bswartzHDS has said they're not working on a CI system, but IBM is, so we're hopeful that we can add the GPFS driver back in15:02
cFoutshi15:03
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bswartzthe deadline next week is that CI systems should be passing unless there is a real bug in the patch15:03
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bswartzthat deadline is 24 Sept according to the mail thread at the beginning of Liberty15:04
bswartz#link http://ec2-54-67-102-119.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com:5000/?project=openstack/manila&user=&timeframe=72&start=&end=&page_size=50015:04
bswartz#link http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=manila15:04
bswartzwhen I look here I see some systems *consistently* failing15:04
bswartzboth glusterfs drivers have all failures15:05
kaisers_Yep, ours. Have issues with switching to the tempest plugin based tests15:05
bswartzQuobyte is all failures15:05
vponomaryovkaisers_: do you need help?15:05
kaisers_Yep15:05
bswartzA few others look unhealthy but at least I see some successes15:06
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bswartzthe other thing I see is that some systems are not always reporting a result15:06
kaisers_Today and tomorrow I'm mobile but starting Sunday I'll be all Manila ci.15:06
bswartzI was planning to post some patches in the coming week to validate that CI systems vote green on good patches and red on bad patches, and I'm not sure I'll be able to do that if CI systems are skipping whole patchsets15:07
bswartzmarkstur_: why is "HP Cinder CI" voting on manila patches?15:08
bswartzwas that just a glitch?15:08
markstur_some rename happened.  It is fixed now.15:08
bswartzokay15:08
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bswartzwell I hope that by next week the ones that are unstable are made more stable15:09
bswartzI'll email individual maintainers if I have concerns15:09
kaisers_Does this skipping issue include systems waiting for Jenkins +1? Or has that been ok'ed?15:09
bswartzbut the important thing is that quobyte and glusterfs fix whatever it making them fail always15:09
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bswartzkaisers_: that explains some but not all of the missing reports15:09
bswartzI'll make sure my test patches do get at +1 from jenkins15:10
kaisers_Bswartz: ok, thnks15:10
lpetrutWe had some issues on the Windows CI with zuul yesterday, which stopped triggering jobs. That was fixed today15:10
kaisers_And understood regarding the deadline15:10
bswartzokay15:11
bswartzwe understand that CI systems are living systems that break from time to time15:11
rrajabswartz: we need to fix our (glusterfs) devstack-plugin. and we've been busy fixing critical bugs in our drivers. the glusterfs-CIs should be up before the deadline.15:11
bswartzyour job is to try to establish a good record of voting correctly, and we forgive the occasional glitches15:11
bswartzwe don't forgive consistent failures15:11
bswartzso please fix those15:12
bswartzany questions about 3rd party CI?15:12
vponomaryovbswartz: yes15:12
markstur_maybe mention the recheck-  name15:12
bswartzoh yes15:12
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bswartzhuawei had accidentally use the string "recheck huawei" to trigger their system, but that string also triggers jenkins15:13
vponomaryovbswartz: you said that you will also make changes to verify that CIs fail when expected, but jenkins can fail too and Third-Party CIs will not even start running in that case15:13
bswartzwe prefer a string like "recheck-huawei" (with the dash it won't trigger jenkins) or "run huawei-ci" or any other string that doesn't trigger jenkins15:13
markstur_recheck-x also triggers15:14
kaisers_I switched Quobyte CI today.  Our other CI's follow up on recheck -> run with the next restart.15:14
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bswartzvponomaryov: for negative tests I'll create bugs in the drivers themselves that won't cause jenkins to fail15:14
zhongjun2Yep, We will pay attention to that.15:14
markstur_We're switching hp also. the recheck- was recommended, but is a bad idea.  Use "run X"15:14
bswartzmarkstur_: okay15:14
zhongjun2"run huawei-ci"15:14
bswartzwell just make sure your trigger doesn't also trigger other systems, otherwise it wastes resources15:15
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bswartz"run <vendor>-ci" is known to be safe and netapp uses it15:15
bswartzany other quesitons about CI before we move on?15:15
vponomaryovbswartz: is it safe to not run all third-party CIs?15:16
bswartzvponomaryov: ?15:16
vponomaryov"run <vendor>-ci"15:16
bswartzthe idea is that you can trigger each system individually15:16
bswartz"run netapp-ci" will rerun netapp, "run huawei-ci" will rerun huawei15:16
vponomaryovbswartz: word "run" will not trigger by itself, right?15:16
bswartzno it should not15:17
vponomaryovok15:17
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bswartzas I said, the trigger should be unique to your system so nobody accidentally launches your CI15:17
bswartz#topic RC1 status15:17
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bswartz#link https://launchpad.net/manila/+milestone/liberty-rc115:18
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bswartzwe've got 6 bugs left15:18
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bswartzat this point I'm going to start retargeting bugs out of liberty if there's no fix in review15:18
bswartzI expect to make the RC early next week15:19
bswartzideally on Monday15:19
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bswartzalso, we'll be releasing python-manilaclient and manila-ui for liberty too15:19
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jasonsbshould manilaclient master work against kilo manila?15:20
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jasonsb(it gave me trouble)15:20
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bswartzjasonsb: it should, but I think you have to pass some extra parameters15:20
jasonsbok, i'll ask on regular irc15:21
vponomaryovjasonsb: latest manilaclient uses new endpoint15:21
vponomaryovjasonsb: so, need to switch to old one15:21
jasonsbnod15:21
gansobswartz: can a bug still be opened today, and be fixed by tomorrow 23:59 UTC?15:21
bswartzright now it's safest to use a version of the client from kilo to talk to a kilo server15:21
bswartzganso: !!!15:21
bswartzganso: only if it's critical15:21
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bswartzso a reminder to cores -- you should only be workflowing code changes linked to bugs targetted at liberty-rc1 now (workflowing docs changes is also okay)15:22
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bswartzevery change must have a bug and the bug must be targetted15:22
bswartzotherwise it waits until mitaka15:23
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vponomaryovbswartz: manila-ui has no RC1 milestone15:23
vponomaryovsame about manilaclient15:23
bswartzvponomaryov: yeah in launchpad we're missing milestones -- just look at the series15:23
bswartztechnically libraries don't have RCs15:24
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bswartzthey just have releases and stable branches15:24
vponomaryovthen it is related only to Manila project?15:24
bswartzthere will be releases tomorrow and stable branches branched from those releases15:24
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bswartzmanila's stable branch will be branched at the RC15:24
bswartzvponomaryov: correct, but for the library projects we still need to aim for stability15:25
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bswartzwe won't be backporting features from mitaka to liberty under any circumstances15:25
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bswartzwe can backport bugfixes if they are serious15:26
bswartzany questions about RC1 and library releases?15:27
bswartz#topic Support for infinite shares in Manila15:27
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bswartzmmartin78: you're up15:28
bswartzalso welcome mmartin7815:28
* bswartz wonders if mmartin78 is still here.....15:28
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vponomaryovbswartz: he was asking yesterday in manila channel15:29
bswartzThis topic is new to me, it sounds like a suggestion for a new Mitaka feature15:29
vponomaryovbswartz: about feature "share wtihout size"15:29
vponomaryovbswartz: that it will be limited only by quota15:29
mmartin78yes, here15:30
bswartzit sounds like an interesting idea, but it would violate a number of our existing designs15:30
mmartin78this is actually supported by commercial offering like Amazon EFS15:30
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bswartzvponomaryov: if it's limited by quota then it's not really infinite is it?15:30
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kaisers_Interesting for us, too15:31
vponomaryovbswartz: quota can be infinite15:31
mmartin78well, there can optionally be a quota15:31
vponomaryovbswartz: just set -115:31
mmartin78right15:31
bswartzso how do you prevent abuse in that case?15:31
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bswartzdd if=/dev/urandom of=/manila/share/huge_file15:32
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kaisers_If there's risk of abuse use quota. Don need that otherwise...15:32
mmartin78right15:32
kaisers_Quobyte works like that.15:32
mmartin78so what are the limitations of manila to support this? I believe the first is that size of share is a required parameter in the create share API15:33
bswartzAmazon relies on their billing model to prevent abuse15:33
kaisers_:-)15:33
mmartin78that is also a valid method of preventing abuse15:34
bswartzmanila doesn't have a unified model for billing -- deployers have use their own methods to charge users for consumption15:34
bswartzthus we have quotas and share sizes that count against those quotas15:34
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bswartzI'm open to the concept of an infinite share -- we just need to figure out how big the change would be15:34
mmartin78should manila even be concerned about preventing abuse though in this case?15:34
bswartzwe'd need to modify the database, the quota system, the APIs, the driver, and maybe more15:35
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mmartin78seems like the scheduler as well, right?15:35
vponomaryovright15:35
bswartzmmartin78: it's our job to give deployers tools to use -- deployers obvious want to prevent abuse of their systems, although different deployers may choose different methods15:35
vponomaryovcapacity filter affected15:35
vponomaryovmmartin78: are you aware about "extend" feature?15:36
mmartin78they could use quota to prevent abuse as suggested15:36
bswartzthis is just something that needs a more concrete proposal15:36
mmartin78or billing model15:36
mmartin78yes I am aware15:36
bswartzI don't hear anyone saying this is a bad idea, it's just a significant change15:36
vponomaryovmmartin78: it does not satisfy use cases that "infinite" one satisfies?15:37
bswartzmmartin78: are you interested in designing and implementing this feature for Mitaka?15:37
xyang1We just got rid of 'infinite' for capacity reporting15:37
xyang1Looks like this may add that back15:37
bswartzxyang1: yeah I think this is different15:37
vponomaryovxyang1: not really, in this case we say "not limited"15:38
mmartin78we might be interested if there is support for it15:38
vponomaryovxyang1: and skip capasity filtering15:38
bswartzobviously no system can store infinite data, but I think the feature is "unbounded" share size15:38
mmartin78just wanted to bring it up first15:38
bswartzbut you can still run into physical system limitations even with unbounded share size15:38
mmartin78right unbounded15:38
vponomaryovbswartz: we can fit our logic if we support value "-1" for share size15:39
kaisers_Gotta run, thanks & bye15:39
bswartzvponomaryov: that will require a lot of special case code15:39
vponomaryovbswartz: it will keep APi consistent15:39
xyang1This will still need to go thru scheduler to find the right backend though15:39
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vponomaryovscheduler is uner-the-hood-thing, it is ok to update it15:40
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vponomaryovs/uner/under/15:40
xyang1Not saying we cannot update15:40
bswartzso if "unbounded" shares is going to happen, someone needs to design how to implement it (actually figure out what parts of the code will need changing) and make the case for what problems it solves that can't be solved with out existing quotas, and the ability to resize shares15:40
mmartin78would it be a problem to make share size a non required parameter?15:40
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vponomaryovmmartin78: bigger than allow value "-1"15:41
bswartzthen we can add it to the list for mitaka features15:41
* bswartz dislikes negative sizes in the rest api15:41
mmartin78bswartz: we could actually take that on15:41
bswartzbetter to change the rest api than allow nonsense values15:41
bswartzmicroversions allows us to gracefully evolve the rest api going forward15:42
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mmartin78even if it is more change I would change the API as well15:42
bswartzside note: there's still a bunch of work to be done on the client side to make microversions easy to use15:42
mmartin78not allow nonsense values15:42
bswartzanyways my point above was that this feature needs an owner to drive it15:43
mmartin78so it seems like the community would be open to this feature15:43
bswartzideally someone who will be in Tokyo and can present the design15:43
mmartin78we are open to taking ownership15:43
vponomaryovmmartin78: please, clarify who "we"?15:44
bswartzmmartin78: yes I think we're open to it, as long as there's a good use case and the code change doesn't introduce a bunch of risk15:44
mmartin78still not sure if will be able to tackle this for Mitaka or beyond15:44
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bswartzmmartin78: make sure to write up a design first and we can review that before you get too deep into implementation15:45
mmartin78bswartz: ok fair enough, so we will try to put together something for Tokyo15:45
bswartzjust a wiki page is probably fine15:45
bswartzawesome15:45
bswartzspeaking of tokyo...15:45
bswartz#topic Tokyo15:45
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bswartzManila has 2 fishbowl sessions, 4 working sessions, and 1 half-day meetup in tokyo15:46
mmartin78otherwise, it might be for after Tokyo, still sizing our resources15:46
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bswartzin the next few weeks we're doing to decide how to use those sessions so I'll be looking for proposals15:46
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bswartz#topic open discussion15:46
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bswartzokay anything else from anybody?15:47
bswartzmmartin78: I think vponomaryov was asking who do you work for15:47
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mmartin78IBM SoftLayer15:47
vponomaryovthanks15:47
bswartzokay welcome again15:47
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mmartin78thanks!15:48
bswartzit sounds like there are no other topics for today15:48
bswartzthanks everyone, let's get the last few bugs fixed and get your CI system working if it's not already!15:48
bswartz#endmeeting15:48
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xarses#startmeeting fuel16:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep 17 16:00:39 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is xarses. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'fuel'16:00
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xarses#chair xarses16:00
openstackCurrent chairs: xarses16:00
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xarsesTodays Agenda:16:01
xarses#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda16:01
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kozhukalov_hi16:01
mwhahahahi16:01
maximovhi16:01
tatyanahi16:01
ashtokolovhi16:01
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xarses#topic Fuel at OpenStack Summit (Xarses)16:02
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vkramskikhhi16:03
xarsesI wanted to get a sense of who's going, If we should have any sessions / work groups16:03
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xarsestopics everyone is interested in and the like16:03
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mihgenI'd say proper, scalable multi-rack support would be topic #116:04
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mihgenand HA track16:05
angdraugmy personal favorite is setting up gating CI on openstack-infra16:05
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mihgenif there are other HA groups, we would need to consider collaboration with those if possible16:05
mihgenif there are no large efforts - we should lead one16:06
xarsesok, So I started an etherpad just now16:06
xarses#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-mitaka16:06
aglarendilwell, I guess, there is not so many people going to the summit. so should those who go be proxies of others? I think it would be better to raise this dicussion in ML and separate etherpad. It might take more than an hour16:07
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kozhukalov_what about plugin howto workshop?16:08
angdraugkozhukalov_: +116:08
mihgenaglarendil: +116:08
xarsesya, I will post this to the ML too16:08
xarsesIn a minute will move along16:08
mihgenthere are just a few folks, yes. We need to be proxies16:08
mihgenopenstack-puppet etherpad:16:09
mihgen#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/HND-puppet16:09
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mihgenwe should participate there as well. aglarendil, other - if you have anything for those guys, let's use xarses as proxy16:09
aglarendilso are we discussing which sessions/groups we should participate in or about our own Fuel design session at the summit ?16:10
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xarsesboth?16:11
mihgensorry I hajacked, it was about Fuel16:11
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mihgenbut yeah - we'd need to think of both, figure out what sessions it's imprortant to go to and ensure that we go16:12
xarsesOk, lets move along then. I'll follow up on the ML16:12
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xarses#topic Elections (angdraug)16:13
aglarendillet's start this in ML - I think we have  have plenty of ideas - but we have not yet sorted most of them16:13
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angdraugwe need an independent election official,16:13
angdraugI've asked SergeyLukjanov to run the elections for us16:13
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angdraughe recommended to separate PTL and component lead elections so that people can't end up with both roles16:13
angdraugnow we wait for SergeyLukjanov to post a call for self-nominations to openstack-dev16:13
kozhukalov_who is going to self nominate?16:14
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kozhukalov_xarses, angdraug ?16:14
aglarendilmihgen: angdraug: I have question regarding component lead election procedure. There is no such entity in OpenStack. Is there a clear description of the procedure of CL elections?16:14
mihgenso people can self-nomintate like other in openstack-dev do for PTL?16:14
angdraugI'll self-nominate for PTL16:14
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angdraughttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Election_Officiating_Guidelines16:15
angdraugaglarendil: ^16:15
mihgenaglarendil: there is no one for CL, but we will use same procedure16:15
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mihgenunless there are any objections16:15
angdraugsame process as PTL16:15
angdraugthe only difference is going to be the list of people who can vote16:15
aglarendilwell, there are lots of procedurial questions16:15
aglarendiland obviously who can nominate16:16
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angdraugaglarendil: it's all very straight-forward, see that link above16:17
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angdraugthere's no restriction on who can self-nominate16:18
angdraugvoters are committers from project's repositories16:18
mattymo_other OpenStack projects allow self-nominations16:18
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kozhukalov_the only restriction is that fuel members have to know who that guy is16:18
angdraugthe recommendation is not to nominate others (only self-nominate) because otherwise it's a headache to confirm that nominee actually wants the job16:19
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aglarendilis not there a restriction that eligible candidate should also be an eligible voter?16:19
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xarsesI think it would be ok to assume that, but who's going to vote for a random?16:20
angdraugxarses: +116:20
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angdraugI think having enough people willing to self-nominate is going to be a bigger problem16:21
angdraugdo we have more volunteers for PTL? for fuel-library CL? for fuel-python CL?16:21
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kozhukalov_yes, that could be a problem16:22
aglarendillet's see election announcement first16:22
mattymo_we could see surprises16:22
alex_didenkoI think we may have more volunteers after we send an email about it16:22
angdraugwell, track down SergeyLukjanov and get him to send it :)16:23
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alex_didenkowe have some core reviewers on vacation right now or not attending the meeting16:23
angdraugyeah, I proposed that we have a 2 week self-nomination period instead of just 1 week to account for that16:23
kozhukalov_probably those who do not attend the meeting regularly would not like to be PTL or CL which assumes a lot of community related work16:24
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aglarendilangdraug: he is 1000kms away from me - won't it be easier for you to fly along the meridian through the North Pole?16:25
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angdraugat least he's in the same time zone )16:26
angdraugmoving on?16:26
xarsesyep16:26
xarses#topic https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/7.0.x/+bug/1494684 is it critical or not. There is workaround (mkdir). Full solution will be available soon.  (kozhukalov)16:26
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openstackLaunchpad bug 7 in Launchpad itself "Need help for novice translators" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Данило Шеган (danilo)16:26
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kozhukalov_This particular bug does not seem to be critical16:26
xarsesI'm guessing this is a release blocking bug maybe?16:27
aglarendilI think we merge the work around and deliver the full solution in updates16:27
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kozhukalov_there is workaround for it https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224581/16:27
maximovaglarendil we don't merge workarounds for non critical bugs after HCF16:27
aglarendilworkaround is very trivial and we can get to the release then16:27
* mihgen has to drop, sorry16:27
kozhukalov_aglarendil, +116:27
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mwhahahawould it ever accidentaly fill the disk?16:27
aglarendilmaximov: after we merge the workaround we can downgrade it to high16:28
aglarendilnot before16:28
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aglarendilmwhahaha: it may16:28
kozhukalov_sorry, but the whole solution requires one more day to make it ready to merge16:28
maximovkozhukalov_ said it is not critical16:28
kozhukalov_and then we would need to test it thoroughly16:28
maximovlet's decided if it is critical or not16:28
maximovfirst16:28
aglarendilmaximov: I insist it is critical without a workaround16:28
aglarendilit can fill the disk16:28
maximovkozhukalov_ ?16:28
aglarendilthese files will never be rotated or compressed16:29
aglarendiland will never be visible to the user16:29
aglarendiluntil it is too late16:29
aglarendilso, one-line change is worth of saving us the trouble16:29
xarsesok, so i sounds critical then16:29
kozhukalov_does upstart write so many logs?16:29
mwhahahayes16:29
aglarendileach time you restart a service with upstart16:29
kozhukalov_that it could fill the whole disk?16:29
mwhahahaopenstack services write to them too16:29
mwhahahai think16:29
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mwhahahathat was the whole point of getting the ability to disable stderr configurations into the puppet scripts16:30
maximov100 bytes in log after every restart ?16:30
mwhahahai forget who was working on that16:30
aglarendilmaximov: there are not only openstack services16:31
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kozhukalov_is there anything that prevents us from merging this trivial patch except the priority status of the bug16:31
kozhukalov_?16:32
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maximovwe need clear explanation re user impact16:32
maximovin the bug16:32
kozhukalov_if there is no such things, then let's raise the priority to critical16:32
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aglarendiluser impact is obvious - on the long run you will get your root partition filled without ability to recover it easily which may lead to cloud misbehaviour16:33
maximovwe need to provide clear explanation why you raised the priority to critical16:33
maximovwhat is the probability of this scenario ?16:33
angdraugsince mihgen had to drop off, I guess it falls to me to remind everyone that merging anything at the last moment, even most trivial fixes, is a risk16:33
kozhukalov_maximov, aglarendil have just given the explanation16:33
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angdraugcan it wait until 7.0-mu1?16:33
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aglarendilnope16:33
aglarendilit cannot be easily applied to running nodes16:34
aglarendilwell, it can be - but it is embarassing16:34
kozhukalov_aglarendil, -)16:34
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maximovdo we have any ideas how fast upstart logs are growing ?16:34
xarsesshould we vote then?16:34
xarsesmissing logs is data loss if you ask me, we will end up with support calls over it16:35
kozhukalov_on my desktop it is just 400K now16:35
kozhukalov_i mean du -sh /var/log/upstart16:36
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maximovmaybe you have logrotate running for these files16:36
maximov400K for what period16:36
kozhukalov_maximov, sure16:36
maximovyear, week16:36
angdraugxarses: missing log is not data loss, but it is a support nightmare, yes16:37
kozhukalov_it does not matter, desktop env have nothing in common with servers16:37
mwhahahathe question would be for a controller what is the size of the upstart logs16:37
angdraugdoes upstart write to the log only when it starts/stops the server?16:37
mwhahahabut i can't tell you because i can't see them16:37
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angdraugserver->service16:38
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mwhahahano openstack services may be writing too them16:38
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maximovso guys, let's maybe understand first, how serious the problem is16:38
mwhahahathis was the puppet thing i was refering to, https://bugs.launchpad.net/puppet-openstack/+bug/148256416:38
openstackLaunchpad bug 1482564 in puppet-openstack "Puppet modules should have an ability to set use_stderr parameter" [Undecided,Fix committed] - Assigned to Sergey Kolekonov (skolekonov)16:38
kozhukalov_angdraug, likely not only when starts/stops services, but when any events come up16:38
angdraugso it can be a lot of logs16:39
angdraugand without logroate it can run the log partition out of space16:39
kozhukalov_angdraug, potentially yes, if for example a serivce flaps16:39
mwhahahathe root partition may run out of space16:39
mwhahahanot the log partition16:39
angdraugright. even worse16:39
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skolekonovHi guys. Yes, I was working on this bug in fuel and in upstream. Services will write all logs with ERR level16:40
mattymo_root full leads to inability to create devices needed for launching vms, doing network ops, etc.. that's the reason we have a logs partition now16:40
angdraugpossibility to run / out of space is a critical bug by itself16:40
kozhukalov_probably we have there supervisor or something which tries to start service when it falls16:40
mattymo_if we can't contain our logs, we're just exposing ourselves to unnecessary risk16:40
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angdraugok, I see strong consensus in favor of merging kozhukalov_'s workaround16:41
mattymo_we're breaking upstart because that dir /var/log/upstart in the logs partition is missing, causing upstart to not be able to flip its logs over correctly16:41
angdraugwhat are the risks?16:41
maximovok, kozhukalov_ did you build custom iso w/ your fix and run some system tests ?16:41
xarsesOk, do we have enough info here?16:42
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kozhukalov_maximov, not yet16:42
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angdraugkozhukalov_: how did you test it?16:42
kozhukalov_angdraug, have not tested yet, because i was working on the whole correct solution last night16:43
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xarsesOk, lets move this to the ML and get to the last topic16:43
kozhukalov_i did this small patch just couple hours ago16:44
maximovok, RC3 build already started16:44
angdrauglets move on then16:45
xarses#topic Package updates on fuel-upgade (mattymo/ikalnitsky)16:45
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mattymo_So, ikalnitsky is not here to discuss this16:45
mattymo_fuel-upgrade (from 6.1 to 7.0) doesn't do a full yum update16:46
maximovplease provide your opinion mattymo_16:46
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mattymo_leaving old packages (kernel, python libs, other system packages) unupdated16:46
mattymo_it doesn't break anything at the moment, but it really should be done. automatically if possible, I would argue16:46
maximovhow it worked previously from 6.0 to 6.1 ?16:46
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mattymo_we didn't update any either16:46
mattymo_we were 6.5 -> 6.5 centos in that release. for 6.1 to 7.0 it's centos 6.5 to 6.616:47
angdraugslightly too late in the release cycle to bring this up :(16:47
mattymo_http://paste.openstack.org/show/VDVyrUkVgCUEuSKPaG6X/ this is the ~200 packages of un-updated packages16:47
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maximovwhy we escalating this problem to critical now then ?16:47
mattymo_because the # is quite large16:47
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mattymo_and now we have a justifiable reason for including this change16:47
angdraugis there anything preventing operator from running yum update manually on the fuel node?16:48
mattymo_no16:48
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mattymo_never ever was16:48
angdraugso there's an obvious workaround, ergo not a critical16:48
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maximov+1 angdraug16:48
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maximovthe bug is high if there is a workaround16:48
maximovwe just need to document it16:48
mattymo_ok release notes item it is16:49
angdraugyup16:49
maximovmattymo_ +1 thanks16:49
mattymo_in fuel 7.0 we don't update system packages because we forgot to do it before SCF. run yum update16:49
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maximovmattymo_ well, we need to be better next time16:49
mattymo_maximov, there is an objection from Igor Kalnitsky saying that it _might_ fail16:50
mattymo_that's it16:50
mattymo_I pushed previously on this issue and was met with the same answer16:50
mattymo_in 5.1 in 6.0 and in 6.116:50
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maximovmattymo_ did you always push after HCF ? just in a couple of days before release?16:51
angdraugmattymo_: propose a fix for 8.0 and lets merge it early so that we can see how likely it is to fail16:51
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mattymo_angdraug, we're upgrading to centos 7.0 for 8.0, so now it's moot16:51
mattymo_python 2.7 and the rest16:51
angdraugno its not moot16:51
angdraugeven centos7 gets package updates occasionally :)16:52
mattymo_let's move along16:52
xarsesok any thing else we need to cover?16:52
xarses#topic open discuss16:52
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xarsesotherwise we can close early16:52
xarsesseems like no on has anything else to raise, thanks guys16:54
xarses#endmeeting16:54
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hyakuhei#startmeeting Security16:59
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep 17 16:59:47 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:59
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:59
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hyakuhei#chair tmcpeak16:59
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'security'16:59
openstackCurrent chairs: hyakuhei tmcpeak16:59
tmcpeako/16:59
elmikoo/16:59
hyakuheio/16:59
jian5397o/17:00
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michaelxino/17:00
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elmikogaming the attendence mechanic eh?  ;)17:00
tmcpeak:P17:00
hyakuheihehe michaelxin is sneaky17:00
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michaelxin:-)17:01
bknudsonhi17:01
hyakuheiwelcome bknudson !17:01
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hyakuheiok so I guess we’ll get going with an agenda of sorts…17:01
nkinderhi all17:02
hyakuheioh hai nkinder !17:02
singlethinko/17:02
tmcpeaknkinder, wattup!17:02
bknudsonlink to agenda?17:02
AndChat|215124o/17:02
hyakuheiGot a nice stack of OSSNs for you :)17:02
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nkinderYeah, just reviewed one. :)17:02
hyakuheiwoot!17:02
nkinderTrying to catch back up from traveling17:02
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michaelxinwill find time to update mine17:02
hyakuheinkinder: you home now ?17:02
nkinderYep17:02
hyakuheimichaelxin: Thanks buddy17:02
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dave-mccowano/17:03
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hyakuheiAgenda: Anchor, Bandit, OSSN, Security-doc, Robs Stupid, Syntibos, Threat Analysis, ...17:04
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tmcpeaklol17:04
hyakuheiAnything else?17:04
tmcpeakRecruiting17:04
hyakuheiExcellent!17:04
hyakuheiThat deck is coming on nicely17:05
michaelxin+117:05
tmcpeak+117:05
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elmikoi've made some progress on the auth deck too17:05
tmcpeakawesome!17:05
hyakuheiSweet elmiko, share it with me when you can :)17:05
michaelxinelarson: +117:05
hyakuheiI’ve not done much thinking around that17:05
michaelxinelmiko: +117:05
elmikoso-called "on demand credential distribution and authorization control"17:05
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hyakuheiI think we can come up with something shinier :P17:06
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hyakuheiAnyway17:06
hyakuhei#topic Anchor17:06
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hyakuheiNot a huge amount to report other than Stan has been super busy making it meet RFCs and other silly things: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/anchor+status:open,n,z17:06
hyakuheitkelsey and dg_ are both on PTO17:06
hyakuheiAnyway got any Anchor queries?17:06
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hyakuheiCool17:07
hyakuhei#topic Bandit17:07
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hyakuheiWhat’s the story here ?17:07
tmcpeaklol, that was quick17:07
hyakuhei#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/bandit+status:open,n,z17:07
tmcpeakBandit has been a little slow this week, I plan to circle back soon at least with reviews17:07
bknudsonany release planned? must have been quite a few changes since the last release17:07
tmcpeakthere are a lot in flight17:07
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tmcpeakbknudson: yeah, we need to17:07
tmcpeakwould be nice to get multi processing in17:07
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tmcpeakactually there are quite a few nice to haves in flight17:08
tmcpeakmaybe we can clear this current queue, test, and then release?17:08
bknudsonI don't think https://review.openstack.org/#/q/bandit+status:open,n,z is a long list.17:08
tmcpeakthere are some deal breaker bugs now too17:08
tmcpeakat least one17:08
tmcpeakseverity filtering no longer works17:08
tmcpeakso maybe release week or two?17:08
hyakuheiouch17:08
hyakuheiHow’s the multiprocess stuff looking?17:09
tmcpeakyea :|17:09
tmcpeakit looks good, much faster17:09
tmcpeakwe should JFDI17:09
hyakuheiPlough on!17:09
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tmcpeakcool cool17:10
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tmcpeakprobably good for Bandit this week17:10
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tmcpeakI'll kick up some dust before next week17:10
hyakuheicool17:10
tmcpeakwe'll have more to say then :)17:10
hyakuhei#topic OSSN17:10
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hyakuheiTHere’s a few OSSN stacked up here : https://review.openstack.org/#/q/security-doc+status:open,n,z17:10
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hyakuheinkinder: once theres a +1 workflow, what’s the process ?17:11
nkinderYep, I'm cycling through the reviews now.17:11
tmcpeakspam messages at nkinder until mergies?17:11
hyakuheiExcellent, I know there’s plenty there nkinder17:11
tmcpeak:P17:11
nkinderhyakuhei: Once they merge, I've been updating the wiki and sending them out to the mailing list17:11
hyakuheiand you’re still happy to do that ?17:11
nkinderThere's no easy way to locate merged, but unapproved notes.17:11
nkinderI am, though it would make sense for someone else to become familiar with it too.17:12
hyakuheiI was wondering if we want to look at publishing gates like we have for some of the docs stuff.17:12
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hyakuheiI presume the magic that makes this work #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/anchor17:12
elmikothat would be cool17:12
hyakuheicould be used for OSSNs in some similar way17:12
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hyakuheiOSSN format is already pretty close to RST17:13
nkinderIt looks like OSSN-0052 and OSSN-0055 need to be published17:13
nkinderpublishing gates would be nice17:13
hyakuhei(I think this is a similar but separate issue from the previous “how to format OSSN” discussion.17:13
tmcpeakare there currently any gates?17:13
tmcpeakline width etc?17:14
nkinder...but we also want to send e-mail17:14
hyakuheinkinder: sure, so I’m positive we could script that or do some other relatively smart thing17:14
nkinderhyakuhei was mentioning that the jobs/tests were broken IIRC17:14
hyakuheigmurphy: you about?17:14
hyakuheiLets maybe kick off an email thread about it? I’m sure docs / VMT have already solved some of this. The less manual cross-posting copy/pasting that’s required the better17:15
tmcpeak+1 for no manual CCP17:15
hyakuheiA few OSSNs are waiting for small changes from the authors17:15
nkinderagreed17:15
gmurphyi am17:15
gmurphywhat's up17:15
hyakuheigmurphy: thoughts regarding publishing OSSNs, I presume the VMT has a pretty slick process for OSSAs17:15
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gmurphyso essentially what we do now is push .yaml ossa to gerrit.17:16
gmurphyit gets +2'd etc17:16
gmurphythen that auto updates security.o.o17:16
gmurphyand we've just been sending the generated .rst source out in emails17:17
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gmurphywhich looks like this - http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-announce/2015-April/000350.html17:17
hyakuheiSounds like there’s only one manual step there, which would be an improvement on where we are.17:17
hyakuheinkinder: I’d be happy to look at getting some gate magic working17:18
hyakuheiHowever, it’s completely up to you :)17:18
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hyakuheiSo I’ve asked a few authors to make some OSSN changes/updates17:19
gmurphyi think this these are the jenkins things that makes it happen..17:19
gmurphyhttp://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/project-config/tree/jenkins/jobs/projects.yaml#n269417:19
nkinderhyakuhei, gmurphy: So the e-mail is still sent out there.17:19
gmurphyhttp://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/project-config/tree/jenkins/jobs/static-publish-jobs.yaml17:19
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hyakuheiIf nothing happens by the weekend I’ll get out the “review -d” hammer and do the updates so we can get them out next week.17:19
nkinderThe OSSN's are in-tree in the format we e-mail out17:19
nkinderso it's really the same one step for that part of publishing17:20
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nkinderThe only other manual step is adding the note to the wiki17:20
tmcpeakthe wiki part is somewhat time consuming though huh?17:20
tmcpeakand thoroughly manual17:20
nkinderNah, it's quick (but manual)17:20
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tmcpeakahh ok17:20
hyakuheiAnother point: How should we manage releasing this wave of OSSNs, will it be seen as a bad thing to dump out 3-6 OSSNs in a day or two?17:21
michaelxinone per week?17:21
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nkinderNo, I think that will be fine17:21
nkinderI'll publish the 2 that are merged today17:22
hyakuheicool17:22
nkinderall of the others I looked at need some minor updates17:22
hyakuheiI suppose that’s what openstack-announce is for anyway, and -dev is such high traffic no-one should mind.17:22
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nkinderI can give the authors a few days, then make the tweaks myself early next week if needed17:23
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hyakuheiYeah, that’s what I was saying above, give them a few days and then we can just bring them up to scratch and publish.17:23
nkinderYep.  There are a few more that might merge today once I look them over17:24
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michaelxinnkinder: +117:24
hyakuheimichaelxin: Your trustedVM OSSN. Even if it’s _not_ a vulnerability as such, OSSNs can address common misconceptions about the implied security qualities of a product or feature17:24
michaelxinhyakuhei: Got it. Thanks.17:24
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nkinderhyakuhei: agreed.  I think a note would still be good for that one.17:25
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hyakuheiSweet17:26
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hyakuheiAnything else for OSSN ?17:26
tmcpeakship it :P17:26
nkindernope17:26
hyakuheiCool17:26
hyakuheiSo next up I had security-doc discussion17:27
hyakuheisicarie_: ?17:27
sicarie_There not much to discuss there17:27
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hyakuheiHow’s the RST transformation ?17:27
sicarie_Compete17:27
sicarie_Complete17:27
sicarie_Sorry, on the bus into the office17:28
elmikoadded a new sec-doc core, worth mentioning17:28
sicarie_We found an rst to pdf converter17:28
hyakuheioooh17:28
sicarie_+117:28
michaelxin+117:28
sicarie_A new doc core is helping with the sec guide17:28
hyakuheiExcellent17:28
hyakuheiThe guide is nice17:29
hyakuheiComing on well, lots of new contributions17:29
sicarie_So just trying to get everything in before we push a new leaf version17:29
hyakuheiI though the crypto discussion looked good17:29
sicarie_Yeah, that was a good addition17:29
hyakuheiDid you see that thread regarding Ansible hardening ?17:29
sicarie_No, I missed out17:29
tmcpeakwho's the doc core?17:29
sicarie_It17:29
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hyakuheiI’ll see if I can find it17:30
sicarie_tmcpeak we have a few helping, the new one is Kato17:30
tmcpeakahh cool17:30
sicarie_hyakuhei thanks17:30
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hyakuhei#link http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.cloud.openstack.devel/6364417:30
tmcpeakoh yeah, this was interesting17:30
sicarie_Nice, ill see what we can add to the guide17:31
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hyakuheiSweet. Anything else?17:31
sicarie_Not from me17:31
hyakuhei#topic PTL17:31
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sicarie_elmiko?17:31
elmikoyou covered it, just bug fixes to note as well17:32
hyakuhei#link https://review.openstack.org/22479817:32
hyakuheiSo I screwed up just a little bit ^^17:32
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bknudsonwe're lucky a black hat didn't come in and take over.17:32
elmikolol, that would have been epic17:32
sicarie_Viva la revolucion!17:33
hyakuheiCould still happen, it’s all in the hands of the TC now :) I presume they can be bribed with booze, money or legos and I’m working on a solution17:33
bknudsonI guess the tc gets to pick17:33
hyakuheiNames in a hat ?17:33
elmikohyakuhei: i didn't realize these things went through gerrit. should we add +1s if we agree, or just is a different process?17:33
tmcpeakdo we have to do elections?17:33
michaelxin+117:33
bknudsonI haven't seen the voting process yet17:33
hyakuheiFeel free to +1 as a sign of support17:33
hyakuheiIt will be ignored by the committee17:33
hyakuheiI think they just moved to Gerrit this cycle17:34
elmikocool, i'm into meaningless gestures ;)17:34
hyakuheiPreviously I think it was all done on the ML but I could be wrong.17:34
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bknudsonvoting is usually using an on-line form for condorcet voting17:34
hyakuheiYeah17:34
hyakuheiSo gerrit isn’t for voting17:34
tmcpeakyeah, I never saw gerrit before17:35
hyakuheijust announcing candidates / verifying17:35
elmikobknudson: oh yea, good point17:35
hyakuheibut this process passed me (and four other PTLs) by17:35
bknudsonalthough I don't know how the tc goes about picking a ptl17:35
hyakuheiThat is undocumented...17:35
tmcpeakwe didn't do that whole determine the voting base thing either :|17:35
hyakuheiThat’s part of the gerrit stuff17:35
hyakuheiI think it will happen by magic17:35
tmcpeakhow?17:35
hyakuheiSame way ATCs are decided17:35
hyakuheiI’m guessing17:36
hyakuheiI think I’ve demonstrated I don’t have a firm grasp of the process ;)17:36
michaelxinwho are four other PTLs?17:37
hyakuheiBarbican, Magnum and some others I don’t recall17:37
bknudsontc is going to be busy17:37
michaelxinhyakuhei: Thanks.17:37
sicarie_michaelxin is planning a takeover17:37
hyakuheiActive projects all, I presume all PTLs busy doing PTL things :P17:37
michaelxinsicarie_:lol17:38
hyakuheiSo, moving on from my failings...17:38
hyakuhei#topic Syntribos17:38
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hyakuheimichaelxin: Anything awesome to share?17:38
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michaelxinstill working on moving the project.17:39
hyakuheiSo this is pretty exciting: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/220351/17:39
michaelxinI was told that stack forge is frozen17:39
michaelxinthat's it.17:39
hyakuheiBringing it in as a top level security project is fine with me17:39
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tmcpeak+117:39
hyakuheiThough it does mean I have to change the outline on our project diagram17:39
michaelxinhyakuhei: tmcpeak Thanks.17:40
hyakuhei#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/File:SecurityProjectPillars.png17:40
hyakuheiheh.17:40
tmcpeakback to Visio for you hyakuhei17:40
hyakuhei:’(17:40
elmikojust slice up the bandit/anchor region17:40
hyakuheiWe already have it as a verticle on the right17:41
elmikooh yea, oops17:41
michaelxin+117:41
tmcpeakoh yeah17:41
tmcpeakyou might not have a handle on this candidacy process but you're a fortune teller when it comes to diagrams ;)17:41
hyakuhei:D17:42
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elmikolol17:42
hyakuheidg_ isn’t around to talk about Threat Analysis/Modelling17:42
hyakuhei#topic Recruiting17:42
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tmcpeakcool, so we're on the books with the first meetup17:43
sicarie_He started a folder in grit hee was populating17:43
hyakuheitmcpeak: What’s the link to the google doc again? Is it globably shared/viewable?17:43
tmcpeakOpenStack in Seattle Dec 15th17:43
tmcpeakI'll make it globally viewable17:43
sicarie_Grit -> gerrit17:43
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michaelxinhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-project-recruiting17:43
hyakuheiThanks tmcpeak17:43
michaelxinhttps://docs.google.com/presentation/d/13GG47EdoQCBEGqMe7ji_UzfO9okMTLgbnK5_UpoaXYA/edit?usp=sharing_eid17:44
tmcpeakhttps://docs.google.com/presentation/d/13GG47EdoQCBEGqMe7ji_UzfO9okMTLgbnK5_UpoaXYA/edit?usp=sharing17:44
tmcpeak;)17:44
tmcpeakalso this17:44
tmcpeakhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-project-recruiting17:44
tmcpeakas you register for events please put them here17:45
tmcpeakI also took a shot at an abstract17:45
michaelxintmcpeak: +117:45
tmcpeakso all please set up your local events17:45
tmcpeakI'll be delayed until I get back to the bay, but would nice to have a round done by January17:45
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hyakuheiI’ll try to add some Anchor over the weekend.17:46
tmcpeakhyakuhei: awesome17:46
hyakuheiWho else do you need contributions from ?17:46
michaelxinstill need slides for Anchor17:46
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tmcpeakit would be nice to have notes at the bottom of each slide17:46
tmcpeakso people that aren't as familiar with each project know what's important to say17:47
michaelxintmcpeak: +117:47
tmcpeakI'll do one for Bandit17:47
tmcpeaksicarie_: can you do notes for sec guide?17:47
tmcpeakhyakuheI: anchor?17:47
tmcpeaknkinder: want to play?17:47
hyakuheiYeah speaking notes make sense17:47
sicarietmcpeak: sure17:47
tmcpeaksweet17:47
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tmcpeakI'll do OSSA too since I made that section17:48
nkindertmcpeak: yeah, I'll take a look at OSSNs17:48
tmcpeakmichaelxin: syntribos please?17:48
tmcpeaknkinder: thank you17:48
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michaelxintmcpeak: got it.17:48
tmcpeakawesome17:48
tmcpeakso hopefully we should have the deck done by next week17:48
tmcpeakwould anybody like help setting up events in their area or you all got a good handle on it?17:48
hyakuheitmcpeak: Did you have a UK event targetted?17:49
tmcpeakhyakuhei: not yet17:49
michaelxinI am good with San Antonio and Austin17:49
tmcpeakI can set one up or you want to?17:49
michaelxinAlready updated the page17:49
hyakuheiI’ll look for one, I was just checking :)17:49
tmcpeakI've learned from Seattle that the earlier you can start the process the better :)17:49
tmcpeakI'll even start trying to set up something in the bay now17:50
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tmcpeakwith the assumption that evens like OWASP are booked out pretty far in advance17:50
tmcpeakthat's probably it for recruiting this week17:51
hyakuheiExcellent work, I hope this is fruitfull, the bar for entry is pretty high for OpenStack Security, OpenStack itself has so many moving/option pieces.17:51
hyakuheiThanks tmcpeak lets keep recruiting as a regular feature.17:51
nkindertmcpeak: when the deck is finished, it might even make sense to have a trimmed down version for lightning talks17:51
tmcpeakhyakuhei: +1 would be nice to get more bodies17:51
tmcpeak;)17:51
tmcpeaknkinder: good point17:51
hyakuhei#topic Any other business17:51
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tmcpeakas it is could probably just lightning through it :)17:51
nkindertmcpeak: ...that way we can still give presos at conferences where we don't have an accepted slot17:51
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hyakuheielmiko: How’s your auth writeup going?17:52
tmcpeakdefinitely17:52
elmikohyakuhei: about 5-6 pages in to a slide deck, i'd like to finish this up then do a spec-style writeup as well17:52
singlethinksicarie_: What are you using for RST -> PDF conversion?17:52
nkinderhyakuhei: restore your +2 on this, and I can get it pushed out today - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219922/17:52
elmikoi'm thinking i will be ready to share some stuff next week and we can start hammering out details and reworking17:52
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sicariesinglethink: rst2pdf I think - I had a few to go through once we got an idea of where we wanted to be17:53
elmikotrying to keep it open at the moment and stick to what we talked about during the midcycle, also noting some questions that are coming up17:53
hyakuheielmiko: Great, thank you, I’d like to contribute as much as I can.17:53
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hyakuheinkinder: done.17:53
elmikohyakuhei: for sure, i'm not trying to own this, just want to have something complete that we can collab. on17:53
hyakuheiSounds good to me :)17:53
singlethinksicarie: just curious... we use pandoc heavily at work for md -> pdf, docx, etc. conversion with good results17:53
hyakuheisicarie: That’s what Atom uses for rst->pdf too17:54
hyakuheiit _hates_ tables though (at least when I tried it)17:54
sicariesinglethink: thanks, I'll take a look - there's something with that and the docs team I remember it coming up before17:54
sicarieThat might have been it17:54
singlethinkYes... tables are one of its weaknesses17:54
singlethinkFor us, it's nice because we already write markdown in all of our GitHub repos17:55
hyakuheiYeah, I really like GH MD17:55
singlethinkfrom there we can go to pdf, docx, or other formats using a configurable template17:55
hyakuheipretty17:55
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singlethinkIt does have some warts though (like tables)17:55
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hyakuheiAnything else people ?17:57
michaelxinbye17:58
michaelxinthanks.17:58
hyakuheiI guess that’s a wrap! Thank you for a very productive meeting!17:58
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hyakuhei#endmeeting17:58
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openstackMeeting ended Thu Sep 17 17:58:23 2015 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)17:58
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-09-17-16.59.html17:58
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-09-17-16.59.txt17:58
tmcpeakthanks hyakuhei!17:58
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-09-17-16.59.log.html17:58
elmikothanks hyakuhei17:58
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nkinderthanks!17:59
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elmikoSergeyLukjanov: =)18:01
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SergeyLukjanovhey sahara folks :)18:01
egaffordHi all!18:01
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esikachevhey!18:02
SergeyLukjanov#startmeeting sahara18:02
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep 17 18:02:18 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:02
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vgridnev_hey18:02
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SergeyLukjanov#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda18:03
toskyhi18:03
SergeyLukjanov#topic sahara@horizon status (crobertsrh, vgridnev)18:03
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elmikoi *think* most of the changes have merged, but there are a few outstanding. i'll ping croberts18:04
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elmikooh well, he's at lunch :/18:05
egaffordI think the etherpad at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-reviews-in-horizon is up to date18:05
SergeyLukjanovvitaly seems offline18:05
SergeyLukjanovcool18:05
egaffordAll the unmerged reviews are, in fact, unmerged.18:05
elmikovery close to having everything merged. nicely done18:06
SergeyLukjanovgreat!18:06
SergeyLukjanov#topic News / updates18:06
egaffordhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/209683/ just got merged after its FFE, which was exciting. :D18:06
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SergeyLukjanovI'm travelling to Mountain View tomorrow and will be there till October 5th, if someone will be there too - let's have some beer ;)18:06
elmikoi'm working on improved secret store and some work for the presentations in tokyo18:07
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elmikoalso, doc cleanup in the final stages18:07
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elmikoSergeyLukjanov: you must have a crazy amount of frequent flyer miles ;)18:07
egaffordNot much. Working with the TripleO team on their development environment spinup process rewrite and updates to those patches. Hoping to return to really for real full-time Sahara from part-time TripleO by end of month. We'll see how that goes. Also Tokyo presentations.18:08
toskyfinally got the "scenario CLI tests as tempest plugin" working, going to submit a review sooooon18:08
egaffordtosky: \o/18:08
SergeyLukjanovelmiko, different companies each time and actually I don't even have a miles card - yes, I'm lazy18:08
toskyit required fixing them and some interaction with degorenko (thanks a lot)18:08
elmikoouch...18:09
SergeyLukjanovtosky, great!18:09
elmikovery cool tosky18:09
toskynot so cool comparing to real features, it's just a (small) infrastructural change, but thanks18:10
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elmikodon't tell me what to think is cool! ;)18:10
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SergeyLukjanov#topic Liberty-3 and FFEs18:11
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SergeyLukjanov#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-liberty-ffes18:12
SergeyLukjanovopen q. is about secuirty18:12
elmikoyea18:12
SergeyLukjanovwe'll have first RC actual already NEXT week18:12
elmikoi think i should probably retract my request18:12
elmikoi'd like more time for testing and review18:12
SergeyLukjanovso, all features should be opefully merged till Monday18:12
egaffordelmiko: Totally reasonable (as per discussion yesterday).18:13
elmikomakes me sad, but it's probably for the best to take more time18:13
toskySergeyLukjanov: when will the liberty branch be created exactly (and master == M)?18:13
egaffordYeah, absolutely. No last minute feature like a last-minute sec feature. :)18:13
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SergeyLukjanovtosky, yup18:14
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SergeyLukjanovelmiko, okay, thx, sorry about that18:14
SergeyLukjanovI'm really wanting to have it merged soon18:14
toskySergeyLukjanov: so, the RC day is the branch day?18:14
SergeyLukjanovit's great step to the security18:14
SergeyLukjanovtosky, exactly18:14
elmikoSergeyLukjanov: no worries, i'll make a CR to move improved secret storage to mitaka specs18:14
SergeyLukjanovtosky, created with the single script :)18:15
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SergeyLukjanovany other requests?18:16
SergeyLukjanovlast second requests :)18:16
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SergeyLukjanovI think "Ceilometer at the gate" is obsolete topic already18:16
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SergeyLukjanovdo we have something to discuss in  "Tokyo summit working group topic discussion" topic?18:16
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elmikoyea18:16
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elmikonot sure about tokyo sessions, has anyone updated the pad?18:17
elmiko#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-sahara-session-plans18:17
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egaffordWe talked about my topic last week a little, and the information is there and unchanged.18:17
elmikonice, good ideas up there18:18
SergeyLukjanov#topic Tokyo summit working group topic discussion18:18
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egaffordelmiko: We should probably put Zaqar integration / guest agents as a top-tier notion up there.18:18
elmiko+118:18
SergeyLukjanov+118:18
elmikothat might be for a working group session?18:18
egaffordMakes sense, yeah.18:19
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egaffordIt's definitely enough to fill an hour...18:19
elmikoSergeyLukjanov: i think one of our fishbowls should be a "state of sahara" type session18:19
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SergeyLukjanovelmiko, agreed18:20
egaffordelmiko: +118:20
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SergeyLukjanovelmiko, could you please add summit sessions etherpad with it? I have a bad internet connection and it's not working for me :(18:20
elmikonot sure about the other fishbowl, i don't think we have enough security content to fill an entire hour18:20
elmikoSergeyLukjanov: will do18:20
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egaffordelmiko: Sec makes a little more sense for a working room to me, but fishbowl could work too.18:22
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elmikoegafford: i think working room makes more sense, we didn't get quite as much done as i would have liked this cycle, but i have many plans to talk about18:23
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SergeyLukjanovso, for the fishbowl vs working session18:23
elmikoi could go either way, depending on what folks want18:23
SergeyLukjanovif we sant to attract more people - fishbowl18:23
SergeyLukjanovbut if we want to decide something - working session18:23
egaffordSergeyLukjanov: :)18:23
elmikohehe, so true18:23
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elmikoi'd like to get someone else involved with our security efforts too18:23
elmikoi have a bunch of ideas but not enough time...18:24
egaffordelmiko: +1; there are a lot of UX stories I really want to tackle next cycle (API 2.0 or bust!), but we can triage.18:25
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elmikoyea, plus apiv2 would be nice to work on as well!18:25
egaffordDon't know if we should have a WG about API v2 / UX.18:25
egaffordIt's a very ongoing concern, with a lot of prior conversations behind it.18:26
elmikoworking group on v2 would be really useful imo, we cold cement the plans in flight18:26
elmikoand UX should definitely be a session18:26
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egaffordelmiko: I can see it. Well, I think API v2 and UX are joined at the hip.18:26
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elmikoegafford: good point, i just think there are many issues we could talk about for UX. maybe let the api discussion follow the UX plans?18:27
egaffordThe question is whether we'd get hung up on specifics of APIv2 and miss the UX forest if we put them together.18:27
elmikoyea, that's my concern18:27
elmikoi want to ensure we have ample time to talk about UX18:27
egaffordThink we're on a wavelength, yeah.18:27
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elmikoi think most of the api v2 plans are in good shape, but we could get really hung-up bikeshedding the whole thing18:27
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egaffordelmiko: Yeah, it's my hope that Mitaka is the cycle of taking what we already have and making it really, really friendly.18:27
egaffordYes, that's a risk. :)18:28
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egaffordI do love me a good bikeshed.18:28
elmiko+1 for friendlifying ;)18:28
egafford+1 for the word "firendlifying".18:28
elmikohaha18:28
egaffords/that/what you said/18:28
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egaffordAnyway.18:28
egaffordUX discussion might actually be a decent fishbowl.18:29
egaffordAs it's more brainstorming than specific technical decision, and customers might even attend.18:29
elmikoi think there is enough content for it, but like SergeyLukjanov said fishbowl might not get as much accomplished18:29
elmikook, that makes sense18:29
elmikolet's at least put it on the pad as a possible fishbowl idea18:30
SergeyLukjanovyup18:30
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egaffordDone; UX fishbowl, zaqar WG, API v2 WG stubbed out on the sheet.18:31
elmikoawesome, thanks!18:31
egaffordAny other ideas for groups for summit18:31
egafford?18:31
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elmikoi'll add a few more bullet points for apiv2 to the pad18:32
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egaffordelmiko: Woot. Yeah, those are stubby, as I don't know that I'll own them.18:32
elmikooh, sec. stuff should be on working room. i'll add it18:32
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elmikoanything else on this topic?18:34
egaffordI'm gonna go with "no" at this point.18:35
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SergeyLukjanovI don't have ideas, but we have around 5 weeks before summit18:36
SergeyLukjanovor 618:36
SergeyLukjanovcouldn't count ;)18:36
SergeyLukjanov#topic Open discussion18:36
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elmikoSergeyLukjanov: i sent an email retracting the FFE for the secret store18:39
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SergeyLukjanovelmiko, ack18:40
* SergeyLukjanov just got the priority pass card from my bank, so, will hopefully sleep this time in a business lounge instead of just gate :)18:40
egaffordWhoa, SergeyLukjanov is fancy.18:41
elmiko+1, sleeping at the gate is terribad18:41
crobertsrhagreed.  No more gate sleeping.18:41
egafford+1, admittedly.18:41
elmikocrobertsrh: although we did pretty well on the way back from vancouver lol18:41
egaffordEh, I will probably keep sleeping at gates. Won't like it though.18:41
crobertsrhI can sleep anywhere now that I have 2 kids.18:42
elmikohaha18:42
SergeyLukjanovheh, internet failure18:42
SergeyLukjanovhopefully, I'm still here18:42
SergeyLukjanovso, who're going to summit?18:43
SergeyLukjanovfrom Mirantis - me and Nikita Konovalov18:43
crobertsrhI will be there18:43
egaffordSergeyLukjanov: You are. We're just chatting about sleeping at gates. :)18:43
egaffordI'll be there.18:43
SergeyLukjanovnot sure that it was sent - [21:41:32]  <SergeyLukjanov>elmiko, was never tried other options 😊18:43
SergeyLukjanovdo you probably know - does Matt planning to attend?18:44
elmikothink so18:44
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crobertsrhOf course, he planned on Vancouver as well :)18:45
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SergeyLukjanov:)18:45
SergeyLukjanovanything else to discuss?18:46
SergeyLukjanovoh, Denis Egorenko will be on summit as well I think18:46
elmikonothing from me18:46
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crobertsrhNothing here18:47
egaffordNothing :)18:48
SergeyLukjanovokay, so, let's have another 10 minutes to work :)18:48
elmikohehe, nice18:49
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elmiko#endmeeting18:51
elmikowell, i tried...18:51
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SergeyLukjanov#endmeeting18:52
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SergeyLukjanov#endmeeting18:52
openstackMeeting ended Thu Sep 17 18:52:03 2015 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)18:52
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elmikothanks SergeyLukjanov18:52
SergeyLukjanovshity internet18:52
elmikoyea really18:52
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sriram#startmeeting poppy19:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep 17 19:00:31 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sriram. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'poppy'19:00
sriramo/19:00
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sriram#topic Review last week action items19:02
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sriramlet me pull up the action items from last time.19:02
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sriram#topic amitgandhinz to resurrect https://review.openstack.org/14319219:03
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sriramamitgandhinz: were you able to progress on that?19:04
amitgandhinz#topic Review Last Weeks Action Items19:04
amitgandhinzugh i cant change the topic back19:04
sriramerr?19:04
amitgandhinzanyway no progress on that19:04
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amitgandhinzsriram: you made the question the topic lol19:04
sriramhaha19:05
srirammy bad19:05
sriramlets put it back as an action item then.19:05
amitgandhinz=p19:05
amitgandhinzya19:05
sriram#action amitgandhinz to resurrect https://review.openstack.org/14319219:05
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sriramok moving on to next topic19:05
sriram#topic blueprints and bugs19:05
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sriramhttps://launchpad.net/poppy/+milestone/liberty-319:06
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malinio/19:06
sriramhey there malini19:06
malinihey :)19:06
amitgandhinzyeh lets make malini do everything above19:06
amitgandhinzagreed19:06
sriramsolved19:06
sriramquick19:06
maliniyou mean the poppy party?19:06
maliniyeah I can do that19:06
sriramhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/gate-api-tests19:07
amitgandhinzno progress19:07
sriramalright then19:07
srirammoving on19:07
amitgandhinzi outta take my name off that19:07
sriramhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/devstack19:07
maliniI can pick tht up - but only if it adds any significant value :)19:07
maliniI mean the gate-api-tests bp19:07
sriramamitgandhinz: you have that assigned to yourself as well.19:08
srirammalini: feel free to assign yourself to it.19:08
amitgandhinzi just removed myself from the gate-api-tests19:08
maliniok..I'll try to get to it next week19:08
sriramawesome, thanks19:08
amitgandhinzthe main thing there is to add the appropriate stuff to the infra jobs19:08
maliniamitgandhinz: didnt you have a patch almost ready for that?19:08
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amitgandhinzbut we also need a nice way to run the docker stuff on an ubuntu box19:08
malinimagnum might have ideas19:09
amitgandhinzi kind of made some updates, but i did not submit anything19:09
amitgandhinzi will show you offline what i did19:09
maliniok19:09
amitgandhinzbut i ran into issues with docker connection strings being right19:09
maliniok :(19:10
sriramok lets get that documented.19:10
sriramso that anyone can pick it up if needed, in this case malini LOL19:10
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sriramalright, moving on19:11
tonytan4everI can help with that later once my current ssl stuff is completed.19:11
tonytan4everalright19:11
sriramAkamai SSL driver: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/akamai-ssl-driver19:11
sriramtonytan4ever: ^19:11
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tonytan4everThis one is in progress.19:11
tonytan4everWell, in good progress. I am trying to wrap it up by the end of this week19:12
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sriramnice, thanks for working on it, tonytan4ever.19:12
tonytan4everNext week we can start testing it.19:12
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sriramCreate Rackspace DNS plugin for mimic19:13
sriramwell thats not assinged to anyone yet19:13
srirambut its part of the liberty cycle.19:13
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sriramaah, looks like it was assigned to obul.19:14
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sriramIncrease Code Coverage to 100%19:15
sriramhey miqui, were you able to work on it?19:15
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miquisriram: sorry, no....been out of commission for a while...although  i finally understand nose...19:16
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srirammiqui: thats ok, we can just mark it as slow progress for now.19:17
miquisriram: ...thanks very much...i appreciatte your patience..19:18
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sriramlooks like some others have been implemented and have landed. Geo Restrictions, notification driver19:18
srirammiqui: np19:18
sriramawesome job tonytan4ever19:18
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sriramalright, I dont see any more open bugs.19:19
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sriram#topic Open Discussion19:19
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sriramanyone have anything to discuss?19:19
sriramamitgandhinz, tonytan4ever, miqui, malini: ^19:19
tonytan4everI don't have anything yet.19:20
malininone from m19:20
malinie19:20
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sriramgoing once19:21
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sriramgoing twice19:22
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sriramgoing thrice19:22
sriramall right, thanks folks19:22
sriram#endmeeting19:22
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