SridarK | Hi | 00:00 |
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hoangcx | Hi SridarK | 00:00 |
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mickeys | Hi | 00:00 |
annp | Hi | 00:00 |
SridarK | I think sc68cal: is out today as well, so xgerman & i will run the mtg | 00:01 |
SridarK | #startmeeting Networking FWaaS | 00:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 17 00:01:30 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SridarK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_fwaas' | 00:01 |
SridarK | #chair xgerman | 00:01 |
openstack | Current chairs: SridarK xgerman | 00:01 |
SridarK | quick one today | 00:02 |
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SridarK | #topic Bugs | 00:02 |
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SridarK | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1496244 | 00:02 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1496244 in neutron "rule change via GUI/CLI puts FW in ERROR mode" [Undecided,New] | 00:02 |
SridarK | this is new, looks to be on Kilo similar to the rule update issue fixed earlier | 00:03 |
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SridarK | i will take a look at this to see if this is indeed the earlier issue | 00:03 |
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SridarK | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1496239 | 00:03 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1496239 in neutron "neutron-fwaas check_migartion fails" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Akihiro Motoki (amotoki) | 00:03 |
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badveli_ | hello all | 00:04 |
SridarK | This is in review | 00:04 |
badveli_ | sorry logged in other channel | 00:04 |
SridarK | badveli_: no worries, hi | 00:04 |
badveli_ | hello sridark | 00:04 |
SridarK | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1492142 | 00:04 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1492142 in neutron "FWaaS: FIP namespace created after/before Firewall creation doesn't contain FW rules" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Sridar Kandaswamy (skandasw) | 00:04 |
SridarK | this is on me, have been tied up - will debug this and sync with bharathm | 00:05 |
jwarendt | +1 | 00:05 |
SridarK | we can then decide on prioritizing | 00:05 |
SridarK | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1491637 | 00:05 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1491637 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "Error when adding a new Firewall Rule" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Rob Cresswell (robcresswell) | 00:05 |
SridarK | i confirmed this and also sent out a reminder to Rob | 00:06 |
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SridarK | I will follow up with him to see that this is addressed in Horizon as this is a major issue for us | 00:06 |
SridarK | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1487599 | 00:07 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1487599 in neutron "fwaas - ip_version and IP address conflicts are not raised" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Sean M. Collins (scollins) | 00:07 |
SridarK | This is in progress | 00:07 |
SridarK | Those were some of the bugs i mined | 00:07 |
SridarK | others pls add anything i have missed | 00:08 |
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SridarK | ok if nothing else we can move on | 00:09 |
badveli_ | nothing much | 00:09 |
SridarK | thanks badveli_ | 00:09 |
SridarK | #topic Roadmap | 00:09 |
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badveli_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1496244 | 00:10 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1496244 in neutron "rule change via GUI/CLI puts FW in ERROR mode" [Undecided,New] | 00:10 |
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badveli_ | sorry sridar this one is similar to what we discussed before | 00:11 |
SridarK | badveli_: we discussed that already | 00:11 |
xgerman | so it’s dupe? | 00:11 |
SridarK | just b4 u joined | 00:11 |
xgerman | (sorry for being late) | 00:11 |
badveli_ | yes looks like | 00:11 |
SridarK | will need to eval | 00:11 |
SridarK | it does seem so | 00:11 |
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SridarK | it is on Kilo | 00:11 |
badveli_ | ok, thanks | 00:11 |
SridarK | i believe the fix was put into Kilo as well | 00:11 |
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SridarK | just need to verify the version | 00:11 |
xgerman | so regression error> | 00:12 |
SridarK | xgerman: yes most likely | 00:12 |
SridarK | mickeys: Swami said that he will ping us on the next trip into the Bay area - so u can get some whiteboard time with him to run thru the DVR interaction | 00:13 |
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mickeys | Sounds good. Do you know when he will be here? | 00:13 |
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SridarK | mickeys: no, i will send out a reminder to him | 00:13 |
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SridarK | The other action on all of us is to converge towards some priorities for M | 00:15 |
xgerman | we are on the hook for the API redesign | 00:16 |
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SridarK | xgerman: +1 | 00:16 |
mickeys | +1 | 00:16 |
jwarendt | +1 | 00:16 |
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xgerman | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Liberty#Deprecated_Features | 00:17 |
SridarK | xgerman: talk abt being in the spotlight :-) | 00:18 |
badveli_ | current API will be removed? | 00:18 |
hoangcx | xgerman: Thanks for point it out | 00:18 |
mickeys | xgerman: Can you provide any clarification on "removed" wrt backwards compatibility? | 00:18 |
xgerman | technically because API was experimental it can be removed in one cycle | 00:19 |
xgerman | but we all have customers using it so it’s up to his to figure out something more gracious | 00:19 |
xgerman | his=us | 00:19 |
madhu_ak | hi, sorry to be late | 00:19 |
badveli_ | xgerman: would it be better to add API's | 00:20 |
bharathm | SridarK - sorry got caught up with other work. Lets sync up on the bug whenever you are free | 00:20 |
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badveli_ | xgerman: current modelling is fine | 00:20 |
SridarK | xgerman: hmm - but it can still stay experimental while we figure out the plan forward ? | 00:20 |
SridarK | bharathm: yes same problem here too - will ping u | 00:20 |
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bharathm | Sure.. | 00:21 |
xgerman | well, the Neutron leadership wants to lay the groundwork for a complete reboot | 00:21 |
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SridarK | xgerman: ok while this opens up more possibilities, the question of backwards compat can still be kept on the table based on feedback | 00:23 |
badveli_ | sridark:+1 | 00:23 |
xgerman | +1 as I said backwards compatibility is important for us and our customers | 00:24 |
xgerman | the community is often too cavalier when it comes to that | 00:24 |
SridarK | xgerman: understood and agree | 00:25 |
xgerman | but it could just be that we have migration tools | 00:25 |
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SridarK | once we get some clarity on the dvr interaction - that will help our thought process on the API as well | 00:28 |
mickeys | SridarK: I was hoping for that, but Carl seemed to want it the other way around. First some clarity on API, then resolve DVR interactions. | 00:28 |
xgerman | well, we need to do the API in any case so I am ok to start there | 00:29 |
SridarK | mickeys: hmm ok, should we come up with a strawman and see what dvr can support | 00:29 |
badveli_ | Sridark: since we previously had discussion with DVR team | 00:29 |
mickeys | +1 | 00:29 |
SridarK | mickeys: we can use ur etherpad to flush things out | 00:30 |
badveli_ | we have some context, so we can think about the API | 00:30 |
SridarK | badveli_: yes, if folks agree we can add content into the etherpad | 00:30 |
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mickeys | badveli_: The previous discussions with the DVR team, along with the current discussions with Swami, are all along the lines of making FWaaS work with DVR for east/west as well as north/south. If that is not accepted, then the other solutions change the scope of FWaaS, which impacts the API discussion in a big way. | 00:31 |
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SridarK | mickeys: +1, i was hoping like u that we can look for feasibility w.r.t to dvr first | 00:32 |
mickeys | SridarK: It looks like the DVR discussion will take some time and get rather complex. I suspect that we can work out a strawman before Tokyo, but whether the L3 team will accept that strawman might not be clear until Tokyo. | 00:33 |
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SridarK | mickeys: yes i agree, we should use the face to face time at Tokyo to drill down on the details | 00:34 |
xgerman | +1 | 00:35 |
SridarK | but a bit of "cart and horse" - i guess the perspectives are different for each team | 00:35 |
mickeys | We have to try and progress both as best we can before Tokyo. It is not that we expect resolution before Tokyo, but we need to be pretty far along beforehand, if we want to resolve things in Tokyo. | 00:36 |
SridarK | So at least at a high level - we want to be able to be an Edge Firewall and also Firewall VM - VM in a network (the SG angle) | 00:36 |
mickeys | SridarK: +1 | 00:36 |
SridarK | mickeys: agree totally or one more cycle will go by | 00:37 |
jwarendt | +1 | 00:37 |
SridarK | Ok so if all of us are on the same page, we can start with that as the highest level and rather generic requirement | 00:38 |
bharathm | SridarK: +1 | 00:38 |
xgerman | yeah, sounds like a plan | 00:38 |
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badveli_ | sridark: fine we are taking up the cases but did it change very much | 00:38 |
xgerman | and gets us closer to the goal of a shared backend between SG and FWaaS | 00:38 |
badveli_ | w.r.t DVR | 00:39 |
badveli_ | we had several proposals for east-west traffic | 00:40 |
badveli_ | which was the only thing i assume was missing | 00:40 |
SridarK | badveli_: not really, we just need to get to an API that will also work beyond the edge case that we have today | 00:40 |
xgerman | yeah, the API only needs one reference implementation | 00:41 |
xgerman | we can add multiple solutions over time if we want | 00:41 |
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xgerman | and the have the user/operator pick what’s best for their sistuation | 00:41 |
hoangcx | xgerman: +1 | 00:42 |
SridarK | xgerman: +1 | 00:42 |
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mickeys | xgerman:+1 | 00:42 |
mickeys | For the Design Summit, I wonder if we can get separate sessions for FWaaS with DVR and the API discussion. For FWaaS with DVR, we need L3 people in the room with us. For the API, we need those interested in SG in the room. | 00:43 |
xgerman | now in Vancouver our design session “got derailed” by people complaining about what they don’t like about FWaaS | 00:44 |
xgerman | (in addition to being packed) | 00:45 |
mickeys | xgerman: We definitely need a strawman ready to focus the discussion and avoid that outcome | 00:45 |
SridarK | xgerman: mickeys: even if it is not an official session - we can get the right folks in a room for a constructive discussion | 00:45 |
xgerman | so what I am saying is that official design sessions != constructive discussions | 00:46 |
SridarK | :-) | 00:46 |
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SridarK | ok this is good i think atleast all of us are on the same page :-) | 00:48 |
xgerman | so when are people coming to Tokyo? I will be there Sunday night so we can meet early and hammer stuff out | 00:48 |
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ajmiller | Sunday night | 00:48 |
SridarK | xgerman: i get on on Sun eve or so | 00:48 |
hoangcx | Yes. I will be there Sunday too. | 00:48 |
mickeys | Still waiting for approval. Assuming I go, I can arrange to be there on Sunday night. | 00:49 |
xgerman | great!! I think they start Tuesday so we have Monday to hammer stuff out ;-) | 00:49 |
SridarK | xgerman: yes we do have Mon | 00:49 |
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xgerman | hopefully there will be some time for sight seeing ;-) | 00:50 |
SridarK | lets use mickeys etherpad: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/FWaaS_with_DVR meanwhile to add and discuss | 00:50 |
xgerman | +1 | 00:50 |
mickeys | I thought we would use xgerman's API evolution etherpad for the API discussion | 00:50 |
mickeys | Sorry, sc68cal's API evolution | 00:51 |
xgerman | yeah sc68cal -- | 00:51 |
SridarK | mickeys: oh ok - forgot abt that - yes makes more sense | 00:51 |
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xgerman | we need to come up with some api spec | 00:51 |
mickeys | xgerman: +1 | 00:52 |
hoangcx | mickeys: Can you point the API evolution etherpad out? | 00:52 |
xgerman | sc68cal thing is on trello | 00:52 |
SridarK | ok perfect lets evolve the spec from this ether pad | 00:52 |
mickeys | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fwaas-api-evolution-spec | 00:52 |
hoangcx | mickeys: Thanks :-) | 00:53 |
* xgerman was just looking up that link | 00:53 | |
xgerman | 6 minutes left… so... | 00:54 |
mickeys | Use cases, input to the discussion, are at | 00:54 |
mickeys | #link https://trello.com/b/TIWf4dBJ/fwaas-usecase-categorization | 00:54 |
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xgerman | +1 | 00:55 |
SridarK | ok that was a good healthy discussion and we have our first priority to flush out a strawman | 00:55 |
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SridarK_ | Anything else we are nearing the end | 00:56 |
SridarK_ | xgerman: i got bounced out and back in can u pls take us to the end :-) | 00:57 |
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reedip | Is there a scope of introducing Application based firewall rules in openstack? | 00:57 |
xgerman | hsure | 00:57 |
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xgerman | reedip we would love to | 00:58 |
xgerman | look at the troll board | 00:58 |
SridarK_ | reedip: this was on the cards yes - but lower priority | 00:58 |
xgerman | trello | 00:58 |
reedip | xgerman,sridark_ : Oh ok .. I will | 00:58 |
mickeys | We are also interested, but given how much work is in front of us, I think we should put in the service group / service object redirection first. Then we can add application level stuff inside service object later. | 00:58 |
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xgerman | well, one minute | 00:59 |
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badveli_ | mickeys: we are putting it in first phase of mitaka | 00:59 |
xgerman | #endmeeting | 01:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 17 01:00:01 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-09-17-00.01.html | 01:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-09-17-00.01.txt | 01:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-09-17-00.01.log.html | 01:00 |
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xgerman | sorry, time was up | 01:00 |
SridarK_ | ok bye all | 01:00 |
SridarK_ | until next week | 01:00 |
xgerman | bye all — see you next time :-) | 01:00 |
mickeys | bye | 01:00 |
SridarK_ | badveli_: yes +1 | 01:00 |
hoangcx | Bye | 01:00 |
bharathm | bye | 01:00 |
hoangcx | And thanks for ASAP meeting time :-) | 01:00 |
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bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 17 15:00:03 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
zhongjun2 | hi | 15:00 |
lpetrut | hi | 15:00 |
xyang1 | Hi | 15:00 |
kaisers_ | Hi | 15:00 |
ganso | hi | 15:00 |
markstur_ | hi | 15:00 |
vponomaryov | hello | 15:00 |
mmartin78 | hi | 15:00 |
rraja | hi | 15:01 |
bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:01 |
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csaba | hi | 15:01 |
dustins | \o | 15:01 |
bswartz | okay 3 topics for today | 15:01 |
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bswartz | #topic 3rd-party CI status | 15:01 |
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bswartz | first of all, I'm sorry that 2 drivers were removed for not having a reporting CI system -- HDS SOP and IBM GPFS | 15:02 |
jasonsb | i share that | 15:02 |
bswartz | HDS has said they're not working on a CI system, but IBM is, so we're hopeful that we can add the GPFS driver back in | 15:02 |
cFouts | hi | 15:03 |
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bswartz | the deadline next week is that CI systems should be passing unless there is a real bug in the patch | 15:03 |
tbarron | hi | 15:03 |
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bswartz | that deadline is 24 Sept according to the mail thread at the beginning of Liberty | 15:04 |
bswartz | #link http://ec2-54-67-102-119.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com:5000/?project=openstack/manila&user=&timeframe=72&start=&end=&page_size=500 | 15:04 |
bswartz | #link http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=manila | 15:04 |
bswartz | when I look here I see some systems *consistently* failing | 15:04 |
bswartz | both glusterfs drivers have all failures | 15:05 |
kaisers_ | Yep, ours. Have issues with switching to the tempest plugin based tests | 15:05 |
bswartz | Quobyte is all failures | 15:05 |
vponomaryov | kaisers_: do you need help? | 15:05 |
kaisers_ | Yep | 15:05 |
bswartz | A few others look unhealthy but at least I see some successes | 15:06 |
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bswartz | the other thing I see is that some systems are not always reporting a result | 15:06 |
kaisers_ | Today and tomorrow I'm mobile but starting Sunday I'll be all Manila ci. | 15:06 |
bswartz | I was planning to post some patches in the coming week to validate that CI systems vote green on good patches and red on bad patches, and I'm not sure I'll be able to do that if CI systems are skipping whole patchsets | 15:07 |
bswartz | markstur_: why is "HP Cinder CI" voting on manila patches? | 15:08 |
bswartz | was that just a glitch? | 15:08 |
markstur_ | some rename happened. It is fixed now. | 15:08 |
bswartz | okay | 15:08 |
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bswartz | well I hope that by next week the ones that are unstable are made more stable | 15:09 |
bswartz | I'll email individual maintainers if I have concerns | 15:09 |
kaisers_ | Does this skipping issue include systems waiting for Jenkins +1? Or has that been ok'ed? | 15:09 |
bswartz | but the important thing is that quobyte and glusterfs fix whatever it making them fail always | 15:09 |
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bswartz | kaisers_: that explains some but not all of the missing reports | 15:09 |
bswartz | I'll make sure my test patches do get at +1 from jenkins | 15:10 |
kaisers_ | Bswartz: ok, thnks | 15:10 |
lpetrut | We had some issues on the Windows CI with zuul yesterday, which stopped triggering jobs. That was fixed today | 15:10 |
kaisers_ | And understood regarding the deadline | 15:10 |
bswartz | okay | 15:11 |
bswartz | we understand that CI systems are living systems that break from time to time | 15:11 |
rraja | bswartz: we need to fix our (glusterfs) devstack-plugin. and we've been busy fixing critical bugs in our drivers. the glusterfs-CIs should be up before the deadline. | 15:11 |
bswartz | your job is to try to establish a good record of voting correctly, and we forgive the occasional glitches | 15:11 |
bswartz | we don't forgive consistent failures | 15:11 |
bswartz | so please fix those | 15:12 |
bswartz | any questions about 3rd party CI? | 15:12 |
vponomaryov | bswartz: yes | 15:12 |
markstur_ | maybe mention the recheck- name | 15:12 |
bswartz | oh yes | 15:12 |
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bswartz | huawei had accidentally use the string "recheck huawei" to trigger their system, but that string also triggers jenkins | 15:13 |
vponomaryov | bswartz: you said that you will also make changes to verify that CIs fail when expected, but jenkins can fail too and Third-Party CIs will not even start running in that case | 15:13 |
bswartz | we prefer a string like "recheck-huawei" (with the dash it won't trigger jenkins) or "run huawei-ci" or any other string that doesn't trigger jenkins | 15:13 |
markstur_ | recheck-x also triggers | 15:14 |
kaisers_ | I switched Quobyte CI today. Our other CI's follow up on recheck -> run with the next restart. | 15:14 |
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bswartz | vponomaryov: for negative tests I'll create bugs in the drivers themselves that won't cause jenkins to fail | 15:14 |
zhongjun2 | Yep, We will pay attention to that. | 15:14 |
markstur_ | We're switching hp also. the recheck- was recommended, but is a bad idea. Use "run X" | 15:14 |
bswartz | markstur_: okay | 15:14 |
zhongjun2 | "run huawei-ci" | 15:14 |
bswartz | well just make sure your trigger doesn't also trigger other systems, otherwise it wastes resources | 15:15 |
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bswartz | "run <vendor>-ci" is known to be safe and netapp uses it | 15:15 |
bswartz | any other quesitons about CI before we move on? | 15:15 |
vponomaryov | bswartz: is it safe to not run all third-party CIs? | 15:16 |
bswartz | vponomaryov: ? | 15:16 |
vponomaryov | "run <vendor>-ci" | 15:16 |
bswartz | the idea is that you can trigger each system individually | 15:16 |
bswartz | "run netapp-ci" will rerun netapp, "run huawei-ci" will rerun huawei | 15:16 |
vponomaryov | bswartz: word "run" will not trigger by itself, right? | 15:16 |
bswartz | no it should not | 15:17 |
vponomaryov | ok | 15:17 |
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bswartz | as I said, the trigger should be unique to your system so nobody accidentally launches your CI | 15:17 |
bswartz | #topic RC1 status | 15:17 |
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bswartz | #link https://launchpad.net/manila/+milestone/liberty-rc1 | 15:18 |
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bswartz | we've got 6 bugs left | 15:18 |
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bswartz | at this point I'm going to start retargeting bugs out of liberty if there's no fix in review | 15:18 |
bswartz | I expect to make the RC early next week | 15:19 |
bswartz | ideally on Monday | 15:19 |
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bswartz | also, we'll be releasing python-manilaclient and manila-ui for liberty too | 15:19 |
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jasonsb | should manilaclient master work against kilo manila? | 15:20 |
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jasonsb | (it gave me trouble) | 15:20 |
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bswartz | jasonsb: it should, but I think you have to pass some extra parameters | 15:20 |
jasonsb | ok, i'll ask on regular irc | 15:21 |
vponomaryov | jasonsb: latest manilaclient uses new endpoint | 15:21 |
vponomaryov | jasonsb: so, need to switch to old one | 15:21 |
jasonsb | nod | 15:21 |
ganso | bswartz: can a bug still be opened today, and be fixed by tomorrow 23:59 UTC? | 15:21 |
bswartz | right now it's safest to use a version of the client from kilo to talk to a kilo server | 15:21 |
bswartz | ganso: !!! | 15:21 |
bswartz | ganso: only if it's critical | 15:21 |
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bswartz | so a reminder to cores -- you should only be workflowing code changes linked to bugs targetted at liberty-rc1 now (workflowing docs changes is also okay) | 15:22 |
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bswartz | every change must have a bug and the bug must be targetted | 15:22 |
bswartz | otherwise it waits until mitaka | 15:23 |
toabctl | ack | 15:23 |
vponomaryov | bswartz: manila-ui has no RC1 milestone | 15:23 |
vponomaryov | same about manilaclient | 15:23 |
bswartz | vponomaryov: yeah in launchpad we're missing milestones -- just look at the series | 15:23 |
bswartz | technically libraries don't have RCs | 15:24 |
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bswartz | they just have releases and stable branches | 15:24 |
vponomaryov | then it is related only to Manila project? | 15:24 |
bswartz | there will be releases tomorrow and stable branches branched from those releases | 15:24 |
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bswartz | manila's stable branch will be branched at the RC | 15:24 |
bswartz | vponomaryov: correct, but for the library projects we still need to aim for stability | 15:25 |
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bswartz | we won't be backporting features from mitaka to liberty under any circumstances | 15:25 |
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bswartz | we can backport bugfixes if they are serious | 15:26 |
bswartz | any questions about RC1 and library releases? | 15:27 |
bswartz | #topic Support for infinite shares in Manila | 15:27 |
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bswartz | mmartin78: you're up | 15:28 |
bswartz | also welcome mmartin78 | 15:28 |
* bswartz wonders if mmartin78 is still here..... | 15:28 | |
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vponomaryov | bswartz: he was asking yesterday in manila channel | 15:29 |
bswartz | This topic is new to me, it sounds like a suggestion for a new Mitaka feature | 15:29 |
vponomaryov | bswartz: about feature "share wtihout size" | 15:29 |
vponomaryov | bswartz: that it will be limited only by quota | 15:29 |
mmartin78 | yes, here | 15:30 |
bswartz | it sounds like an interesting idea, but it would violate a number of our existing designs | 15:30 |
mmartin78 | this is actually supported by commercial offering like Amazon EFS | 15:30 |
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bswartz | vponomaryov: if it's limited by quota then it's not really infinite is it? | 15:30 |
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kaisers_ | Interesting for us, too | 15:31 |
vponomaryov | bswartz: quota can be infinite | 15:31 |
mmartin78 | well, there can optionally be a quota | 15:31 |
vponomaryov | bswartz: just set -1 | 15:31 |
mmartin78 | right | 15:31 |
bswartz | so how do you prevent abuse in that case? | 15:31 |
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bswartz | dd if=/dev/urandom of=/manila/share/huge_file | 15:32 |
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kaisers_ | If there's risk of abuse use quota. Don need that otherwise... | 15:32 |
mmartin78 | right | 15:32 |
kaisers_ | Quobyte works like that. | 15:32 |
mmartin78 | so what are the limitations of manila to support this? I believe the first is that size of share is a required parameter in the create share API | 15:33 |
bswartz | Amazon relies on their billing model to prevent abuse | 15:33 |
kaisers_ | :-) | 15:33 |
mmartin78 | that is also a valid method of preventing abuse | 15:34 |
bswartz | manila doesn't have a unified model for billing -- deployers have use their own methods to charge users for consumption | 15:34 |
bswartz | thus we have quotas and share sizes that count against those quotas | 15:34 |
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bswartz | I'm open to the concept of an infinite share -- we just need to figure out how big the change would be | 15:34 |
mmartin78 | should manila even be concerned about preventing abuse though in this case? | 15:34 |
bswartz | we'd need to modify the database, the quota system, the APIs, the driver, and maybe more | 15:35 |
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mmartin78 | seems like the scheduler as well, right? | 15:35 |
vponomaryov | right | 15:35 |
bswartz | mmartin78: it's our job to give deployers tools to use -- deployers obvious want to prevent abuse of their systems, although different deployers may choose different methods | 15:35 |
vponomaryov | capacity filter affected | 15:35 |
vponomaryov | mmartin78: are you aware about "extend" feature? | 15:36 |
mmartin78 | they could use quota to prevent abuse as suggested | 15:36 |
bswartz | this is just something that needs a more concrete proposal | 15:36 |
mmartin78 | or billing model | 15:36 |
mmartin78 | yes I am aware | 15:36 |
bswartz | I don't hear anyone saying this is a bad idea, it's just a significant change | 15:36 |
vponomaryov | mmartin78: it does not satisfy use cases that "infinite" one satisfies? | 15:37 |
bswartz | mmartin78: are you interested in designing and implementing this feature for Mitaka? | 15:37 |
xyang1 | We just got rid of 'infinite' for capacity reporting | 15:37 |
xyang1 | Looks like this may add that back | 15:37 |
bswartz | xyang1: yeah I think this is different | 15:37 |
vponomaryov | xyang1: not really, in this case we say "not limited" | 15:38 |
mmartin78 | we might be interested if there is support for it | 15:38 |
vponomaryov | xyang1: and skip capasity filtering | 15:38 |
bswartz | obviously no system can store infinite data, but I think the feature is "unbounded" share size | 15:38 |
mmartin78 | just wanted to bring it up first | 15:38 |
bswartz | but you can still run into physical system limitations even with unbounded share size | 15:38 |
mmartin78 | right unbounded | 15:38 |
vponomaryov | bswartz: we can fit our logic if we support value "-1" for share size | 15:39 |
kaisers_ | Gotta run, thanks & bye | 15:39 |
bswartz | vponomaryov: that will require a lot of special case code | 15:39 |
vponomaryov | bswartz: it will keep APi consistent | 15:39 |
xyang1 | This will still need to go thru scheduler to find the right backend though | 15:39 |
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vponomaryov | scheduler is uner-the-hood-thing, it is ok to update it | 15:40 |
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vponomaryov | s/uner/under/ | 15:40 |
xyang1 | Not saying we cannot update | 15:40 |
bswartz | so if "unbounded" shares is going to happen, someone needs to design how to implement it (actually figure out what parts of the code will need changing) and make the case for what problems it solves that can't be solved with out existing quotas, and the ability to resize shares | 15:40 |
mmartin78 | would it be a problem to make share size a non required parameter? | 15:40 |
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vponomaryov | mmartin78: bigger than allow value "-1" | 15:41 |
bswartz | then we can add it to the list for mitaka features | 15:41 |
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mmartin78 | bswartz: we could actually take that on | 15:41 |
bswartz | better to change the rest api than allow nonsense values | 15:41 |
bswartz | microversions allows us to gracefully evolve the rest api going forward | 15:42 |
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mmartin78 | even if it is more change I would change the API as well | 15:42 |
bswartz | side note: there's still a bunch of work to be done on the client side to make microversions easy to use | 15:42 |
mmartin78 | not allow nonsense values | 15:42 |
bswartz | anyways my point above was that this feature needs an owner to drive it | 15:43 |
mmartin78 | so it seems like the community would be open to this feature | 15:43 |
bswartz | ideally someone who will be in Tokyo and can present the design | 15:43 |
mmartin78 | we are open to taking ownership | 15:43 |
vponomaryov | mmartin78: please, clarify who "we"? | 15:44 |
bswartz | mmartin78: yes I think we're open to it, as long as there's a good use case and the code change doesn't introduce a bunch of risk | 15:44 |
mmartin78 | still not sure if will be able to tackle this for Mitaka or beyond | 15:44 |
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bswartz | mmartin78: make sure to write up a design first and we can review that before you get too deep into implementation | 15:45 |
mmartin78 | bswartz: ok fair enough, so we will try to put together something for Tokyo | 15:45 |
bswartz | just a wiki page is probably fine | 15:45 |
bswartz | awesome | 15:45 |
bswartz | speaking of tokyo... | 15:45 |
bswartz | #topic Tokyo | 15:45 |
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bswartz | Manila has 2 fishbowl sessions, 4 working sessions, and 1 half-day meetup in tokyo | 15:46 |
mmartin78 | otherwise, it might be for after Tokyo, still sizing our resources | 15:46 |
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bswartz | in the next few weeks we're doing to decide how to use those sessions so I'll be looking for proposals | 15:46 |
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bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:46 |
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bswartz | okay anything else from anybody? | 15:47 |
bswartz | mmartin78: I think vponomaryov was asking who do you work for | 15:47 |
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mmartin78 | IBM SoftLayer | 15:47 |
vponomaryov | thanks | 15:47 |
bswartz | okay welcome again | 15:47 |
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mmartin78 | thanks! | 15:48 |
bswartz | it sounds like there are no other topics for today | 15:48 |
bswartz | thanks everyone, let's get the last few bugs fixed and get your CI system working if it's not already! | 15:48 |
bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:48 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 17 15:48:49 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:48 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-09-17-15.00.html | 15:48 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-09-17-15.00.txt | 15:48 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-09-17-15.00.log.html | 15:48 |
toabctl | bye | 15:48 |
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xarses | #startmeeting fuel | 16:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 17 16:00:39 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xarses. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:00 |
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xarses | #chair xarses | 16:00 |
openstack | Current chairs: xarses | 16:00 |
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xarses | Todays Agenda: | 16:01 |
xarses | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:01 |
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kozhukalov_ | hi | 16:01 |
mwhahaha | hi | 16:01 |
maximov | hi | 16:01 |
tatyana | hi | 16:01 |
ashtokolov | hi | 16:01 |
IvanKliuk | hi | 16:01 |
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angdraug | \o | 16:01 |
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akislitsky | рш | 16:02 |
aglarendil | hi | 16:02 |
akislitsky | hi | 16:02 |
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mihgen | hi | 16:02 |
agordeev | hi | 16:02 |
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xarses | #topic Fuel at OpenStack Summit (Xarses) | 16:02 |
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vkramskikh | hi | 16:03 |
xarses | I wanted to get a sense of who's going, If we should have any sessions / work groups | 16:03 |
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warpc | hi | 16:03 |
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xarses | topics everyone is interested in and the like | 16:03 |
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mihgen | I'd say proper, scalable multi-rack support would be topic #1 | 16:04 |
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mihgen | and HA track | 16:05 |
angdraug | my personal favorite is setting up gating CI on openstack-infra | 16:05 |
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mihgen | if there are other HA groups, we would need to consider collaboration with those if possible | 16:05 |
mihgen | if there are no large efforts - we should lead one | 16:06 |
xarses | ok, So I started an etherpad just now | 16:06 |
xarses | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-mitaka | 16:06 |
aglarendil | well, I guess, there is not so many people going to the summit. so should those who go be proxies of others? I think it would be better to raise this dicussion in ML and separate etherpad. It might take more than an hour | 16:07 |
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kozhukalov_ | what about plugin howto workshop? | 16:08 |
angdraug | kozhukalov_: +1 | 16:08 |
mihgen | aglarendil: +1 | 16:08 |
xarses | ya, I will post this to the ML too | 16:08 |
xarses | In a minute will move along | 16:08 |
mihgen | there are just a few folks, yes. We need to be proxies | 16:08 |
mihgen | openstack-puppet etherpad: | 16:09 |
mihgen | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/HND-puppet | 16:09 |
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mihgen | we should participate there as well. aglarendil, other - if you have anything for those guys, let's use xarses as proxy | 16:09 |
aglarendil | so are we discussing which sessions/groups we should participate in or about our own Fuel design session at the summit ? | 16:10 |
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xarses | both? | 16:11 |
mihgen | sorry I hajacked, it was about Fuel | 16:11 |
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mihgen | but yeah - we'd need to think of both, figure out what sessions it's imprortant to go to and ensure that we go | 16:12 |
xarses | Ok, lets move along then. I'll follow up on the ML | 16:12 |
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xarses | #topic Elections (angdraug) | 16:13 |
aglarendil | let's start this in ML - I think we have have plenty of ideas - but we have not yet sorted most of them | 16:13 |
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angdraug | we need an independent election official, | 16:13 |
angdraug | I've asked SergeyLukjanov to run the elections for us | 16:13 |
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angdraug | he recommended to separate PTL and component lead elections so that people can't end up with both roles | 16:13 |
angdraug | now we wait for SergeyLukjanov to post a call for self-nominations to openstack-dev | 16:13 |
kozhukalov_ | who is going to self nominate? | 16:14 |
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kozhukalov_ | xarses, angdraug ? | 16:14 |
aglarendil | mihgen: angdraug: I have question regarding component lead election procedure. There is no such entity in OpenStack. Is there a clear description of the procedure of CL elections? | 16:14 |
mihgen | so people can self-nomintate like other in openstack-dev do for PTL? | 16:14 |
angdraug | I'll self-nominate for PTL | 16:14 |
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angdraug | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Election_Officiating_Guidelines | 16:15 |
angdraug | aglarendil: ^ | 16:15 |
mihgen | aglarendil: there is no one for CL, but we will use same procedure | 16:15 |
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mihgen | unless there are any objections | 16:15 |
angdraug | same process as PTL | 16:15 |
angdraug | the only difference is going to be the list of people who can vote | 16:15 |
aglarendil | well, there are lots of procedurial questions | 16:15 |
aglarendil | and obviously who can nominate | 16:16 |
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angdraug | aglarendil: it's all very straight-forward, see that link above | 16:17 |
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angdraug | there's no restriction on who can self-nominate | 16:18 |
angdraug | voters are committers from project's repositories | 16:18 |
mattymo_ | other OpenStack projects allow self-nominations | 16:18 |
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kozhukalov_ | the only restriction is that fuel members have to know who that guy is | 16:18 |
angdraug | the recommendation is not to nominate others (only self-nominate) because otherwise it's a headache to confirm that nominee actually wants the job | 16:19 |
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aglarendil | is not there a restriction that eligible candidate should also be an eligible voter? | 16:19 |
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xarses | I think it would be ok to assume that, but who's going to vote for a random? | 16:20 |
angdraug | xarses: +1 | 16:20 |
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angdraug | I think having enough people willing to self-nominate is going to be a bigger problem | 16:21 |
angdraug | do we have more volunteers for PTL? for fuel-library CL? for fuel-python CL? | 16:21 |
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kozhukalov_ | yes, that could be a problem | 16:22 |
aglarendil | let's see election announcement first | 16:22 |
mattymo_ | we could see surprises | 16:22 |
alex_didenko | I think we may have more volunteers after we send an email about it | 16:22 |
angdraug | well, track down SergeyLukjanov and get him to send it :) | 16:23 |
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alex_didenko | we have some core reviewers on vacation right now or not attending the meeting | 16:23 |
angdraug | yeah, I proposed that we have a 2 week self-nomination period instead of just 1 week to account for that | 16:23 |
kozhukalov_ | probably those who do not attend the meeting regularly would not like to be PTL or CL which assumes a lot of community related work | 16:24 |
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aglarendil | angdraug: he is 1000kms away from me - won't it be easier for you to fly along the meridian through the North Pole? | 16:25 |
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angdraug | at least he's in the same time zone ) | 16:26 |
angdraug | moving on? | 16:26 |
xarses | yep | 16:26 |
xarses | #topic https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/7.0.x/+bug/1494684 is it critical or not. There is workaround (mkdir). Full solution will be available soon. (kozhukalov) | 16:26 |
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openstack | Launchpad bug 7 in Launchpad itself "Need help for novice translators" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Данило Шеган (danilo) | 16:26 |
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kozhukalov_ | This particular bug does not seem to be critical | 16:26 |
xarses | I'm guessing this is a release blocking bug maybe? | 16:27 |
aglarendil | I think we merge the work around and deliver the full solution in updates | 16:27 |
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kozhukalov_ | there is workaround for it https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224581/ | 16:27 |
maximov | aglarendil we don't merge workarounds for non critical bugs after HCF | 16:27 |
aglarendil | workaround is very trivial and we can get to the release then | 16:27 |
* mihgen has to drop, sorry | 16:27 | |
kozhukalov_ | aglarendil, +1 | 16:27 |
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mwhahaha | would it ever accidentaly fill the disk? | 16:27 |
aglarendil | maximov: after we merge the workaround we can downgrade it to high | 16:28 |
aglarendil | not before | 16:28 |
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aglarendil | mwhahaha: it may | 16:28 |
kozhukalov_ | sorry, but the whole solution requires one more day to make it ready to merge | 16:28 |
maximov | kozhukalov_ said it is not critical | 16:28 |
kozhukalov_ | and then we would need to test it thoroughly | 16:28 |
maximov | let's decided if it is critical or not | 16:28 |
maximov | first | 16:28 |
aglarendil | maximov: I insist it is critical without a workaround | 16:28 |
aglarendil | it can fill the disk | 16:28 |
maximov | kozhukalov_ ? | 16:28 |
aglarendil | these files will never be rotated or compressed | 16:29 |
aglarendil | and will never be visible to the user | 16:29 |
aglarendil | until it is too late | 16:29 |
aglarendil | so, one-line change is worth of saving us the trouble | 16:29 |
xarses | ok, so i sounds critical then | 16:29 |
kozhukalov_ | does upstart write so many logs? | 16:29 |
mwhahaha | yes | 16:29 |
aglarendil | each time you restart a service with upstart | 16:29 |
kozhukalov_ | that it could fill the whole disk? | 16:29 |
mwhahaha | openstack services write to them too | 16:29 |
mwhahaha | i think | 16:29 |
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mwhahaha | that was the whole point of getting the ability to disable stderr configurations into the puppet scripts | 16:30 |
maximov | 100 bytes in log after every restart ? | 16:30 |
mwhahaha | i forget who was working on that | 16:30 |
aglarendil | maximov: there are not only openstack services | 16:31 |
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kozhukalov_ | is there anything that prevents us from merging this trivial patch except the priority status of the bug | 16:31 |
kozhukalov_ | ? | 16:32 |
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maximov | we need clear explanation re user impact | 16:32 |
maximov | in the bug | 16:32 |
kozhukalov_ | if there is no such things, then let's raise the priority to critical | 16:32 |
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aglarendil | user impact is obvious - on the long run you will get your root partition filled without ability to recover it easily which may lead to cloud misbehaviour | 16:33 |
maximov | we need to provide clear explanation why you raised the priority to critical | 16:33 |
maximov | what is the probability of this scenario ? | 16:33 |
angdraug | since mihgen had to drop off, I guess it falls to me to remind everyone that merging anything at the last moment, even most trivial fixes, is a risk | 16:33 |
kozhukalov_ | maximov, aglarendil have just given the explanation | 16:33 |
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angdraug | can it wait until 7.0-mu1? | 16:33 |
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aglarendil | nope | 16:33 |
aglarendil | it cannot be easily applied to running nodes | 16:34 |
aglarendil | well, it can be - but it is embarassing | 16:34 |
kozhukalov_ | aglarendil, -) | 16:34 |
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maximov | do we have any ideas how fast upstart logs are growing ? | 16:34 |
xarses | should we vote then? | 16:34 |
xarses | missing logs is data loss if you ask me, we will end up with support calls over it | 16:35 |
kozhukalov_ | on my desktop it is just 400K now | 16:35 |
kozhukalov_ | i mean du -sh /var/log/upstart | 16:36 |
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maximov | maybe you have logrotate running for these files | 16:36 |
maximov | 400K for what period | 16:36 |
kozhukalov_ | maximov, sure | 16:36 |
maximov | year, week | 16:36 |
angdraug | xarses: missing log is not data loss, but it is a support nightmare, yes | 16:37 |
kozhukalov_ | it does not matter, desktop env have nothing in common with servers | 16:37 |
mwhahaha | the question would be for a controller what is the size of the upstart logs | 16:37 |
angdraug | does upstart write to the log only when it starts/stops the server? | 16:37 |
mwhahaha | but i can't tell you because i can't see them | 16:37 |
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angdraug | server->service | 16:38 |
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mwhahaha | no openstack services may be writing too them | 16:38 |
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maximov | so guys, let's maybe understand first, how serious the problem is | 16:38 |
mwhahaha | this was the puppet thing i was refering to, https://bugs.launchpad.net/puppet-openstack/+bug/1482564 | 16:38 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1482564 in puppet-openstack "Puppet modules should have an ability to set use_stderr parameter" [Undecided,Fix committed] - Assigned to Sergey Kolekonov (skolekonov) | 16:38 |
kozhukalov_ | angdraug, likely not only when starts/stops services, but when any events come up | 16:38 |
angdraug | so it can be a lot of logs | 16:39 |
angdraug | and without logroate it can run the log partition out of space | 16:39 |
kozhukalov_ | angdraug, potentially yes, if for example a serivce flaps | 16:39 |
mwhahaha | the root partition may run out of space | 16:39 |
mwhahaha | not the log partition | 16:39 |
angdraug | right. even worse | 16:39 |
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skolekonov | Hi guys. Yes, I was working on this bug in fuel and in upstream. Services will write all logs with ERR level | 16:40 |
mattymo_ | root full leads to inability to create devices needed for launching vms, doing network ops, etc.. that's the reason we have a logs partition now | 16:40 |
angdraug | possibility to run / out of space is a critical bug by itself | 16:40 |
kozhukalov_ | probably we have there supervisor or something which tries to start service when it falls | 16:40 |
mattymo_ | if we can't contain our logs, we're just exposing ourselves to unnecessary risk | 16:40 |
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angdraug | ok, I see strong consensus in favor of merging kozhukalov_'s workaround | 16:41 |
mattymo_ | we're breaking upstart because that dir /var/log/upstart in the logs partition is missing, causing upstart to not be able to flip its logs over correctly | 16:41 |
angdraug | what are the risks? | 16:41 |
maximov | ok, kozhukalov_ did you build custom iso w/ your fix and run some system tests ? | 16:41 |
xarses | Ok, do we have enough info here? | 16:42 |
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kozhukalov_ | maximov, not yet | 16:42 |
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angdraug | kozhukalov_: how did you test it? | 16:42 |
kozhukalov_ | angdraug, have not tested yet, because i was working on the whole correct solution last night | 16:43 |
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xarses | Ok, lets move this to the ML and get to the last topic | 16:43 |
kozhukalov_ | i did this small patch just couple hours ago | 16:44 |
maximov | ok, RC3 build already started | 16:44 |
angdraug | lets move on then | 16:45 |
xarses | #topic Package updates on fuel-upgade (mattymo/ikalnitsky) | 16:45 |
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mattymo_ | So, ikalnitsky is not here to discuss this | 16:45 |
mattymo_ | fuel-upgrade (from 6.1 to 7.0) doesn't do a full yum update | 16:46 |
maximov | please provide your opinion mattymo_ | 16:46 |
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mattymo_ | leaving old packages (kernel, python libs, other system packages) unupdated | 16:46 |
mattymo_ | it doesn't break anything at the moment, but it really should be done. automatically if possible, I would argue | 16:46 |
maximov | how it worked previously from 6.0 to 6.1 ? | 16:46 |
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mattymo_ | we didn't update any either | 16:46 |
mattymo_ | we were 6.5 -> 6.5 centos in that release. for 6.1 to 7.0 it's centos 6.5 to 6.6 | 16:47 |
angdraug | slightly too late in the release cycle to bring this up :( | 16:47 |
mattymo_ | http://paste.openstack.org/show/VDVyrUkVgCUEuSKPaG6X/ this is the ~200 packages of un-updated packages | 16:47 |
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maximov | why we escalating this problem to critical now then ? | 16:47 |
mattymo_ | because the # is quite large | 16:47 |
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mattymo_ | and now we have a justifiable reason for including this change | 16:47 |
angdraug | is there anything preventing operator from running yum update manually on the fuel node? | 16:48 |
mattymo_ | no | 16:48 |
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mattymo_ | never ever was | 16:48 |
angdraug | so there's an obvious workaround, ergo not a critical | 16:48 |
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maximov | +1 angdraug | 16:48 |
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maximov | the bug is high if there is a workaround | 16:48 |
maximov | we just need to document it | 16:48 |
mattymo_ | ok release notes item it is | 16:49 |
angdraug | yup | 16:49 |
maximov | mattymo_ +1 thanks | 16:49 |
mattymo_ | in fuel 7.0 we don't update system packages because we forgot to do it before SCF. run yum update | 16:49 |
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maximov | mattymo_ well, we need to be better next time | 16:49 |
mattymo_ | maximov, there is an objection from Igor Kalnitsky saying that it _might_ fail | 16:50 |
mattymo_ | that's it | 16:50 |
mattymo_ | I pushed previously on this issue and was met with the same answer | 16:50 |
mattymo_ | in 5.1 in 6.0 and in 6.1 | 16:50 |
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maximov | mattymo_ did you always push after HCF ? just in a couple of days before release? | 16:51 |
angdraug | mattymo_: propose a fix for 8.0 and lets merge it early so that we can see how likely it is to fail | 16:51 |
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mattymo_ | angdraug, we're upgrading to centos 7.0 for 8.0, so now it's moot | 16:51 |
mattymo_ | python 2.7 and the rest | 16:51 |
angdraug | no its not moot | 16:51 |
angdraug | even centos7 gets package updates occasionally :) | 16:52 |
mattymo_ | let's move along | 16:52 |
xarses | ok any thing else we need to cover? | 16:52 |
xarses | #topic open discuss | 16:52 |
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xarses | otherwise we can close early | 16:52 |
xarses | seems like no on has anything else to raise, thanks guys | 16:54 |
xarses | #endmeeting | 16:54 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 17 16:54:20 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:54 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-09-17-16.00.html | 16:54 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-09-17-16.00.txt | 16:54 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-09-17-16.00.log.html | 16:54 |
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hyakuhei | #startmeeting Security | 16:59 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 17 16:59:47 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:59 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:59 |
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hyakuhei | #chair tmcpeak | 16:59 |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 16:59 |
openstack | Current chairs: hyakuhei tmcpeak | 16:59 |
tmcpeak | o/ | 16:59 |
elmiko | o/ | 16:59 |
hyakuhei | o/ | 16:59 |
jian5397 | o/ | 17:00 |
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michaelxin | o/ | 17:00 |
redrobot_mobile | o/ | 17:00 |
elmiko | gaming the attendence mechanic eh? ;) | 17:00 |
tmcpeak | :P | 17:00 |
hyakuhei | hehe michaelxin is sneaky | 17:00 |
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michaelxin | :-) | 17:01 |
bknudson | hi | 17:01 |
hyakuhei | welcome bknudson ! | 17:01 |
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hyakuhei | ok so I guess we’ll get going with an agenda of sorts… | 17:01 |
nkinder | hi all | 17:02 |
hyakuhei | oh hai nkinder ! | 17:02 |
singlethink | o/ | 17:02 |
tmcpeak | nkinder, wattup! | 17:02 |
bknudson | link to agenda? | 17:02 |
AndChat|215124 | o/ | 17:02 |
hyakuhei | Got a nice stack of OSSNs for you :) | 17:02 |
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nkinder | Yeah, just reviewed one. :) | 17:02 |
hyakuhei | woot! | 17:02 |
nkinder | Trying to catch back up from traveling | 17:02 |
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michaelxin | will find time to update mine | 17:02 |
hyakuhei | nkinder: you home now ? | 17:02 |
nkinder | Yep | 17:02 |
hyakuhei | michaelxin: Thanks buddy | 17:02 |
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dave-mccowan | o/ | 17:03 |
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hyakuhei | Agenda: Anchor, Bandit, OSSN, Security-doc, Robs Stupid, Syntibos, Threat Analysis, ... | 17:04 |
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tmcpeak | lol | 17:04 |
hyakuhei | Anything else? | 17:04 |
tmcpeak | Recruiting | 17:04 |
hyakuhei | Excellent! | 17:04 |
hyakuhei | That deck is coming on nicely | 17:05 |
michaelxin | +1 | 17:05 |
tmcpeak | +1 | 17:05 |
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elmiko | i've made some progress on the auth deck too | 17:05 |
tmcpeak | awesome! | 17:05 |
hyakuhei | Sweet elmiko, share it with me when you can :) | 17:05 |
michaelxin | elarson: +1 | 17:05 |
hyakuhei | I’ve not done much thinking around that | 17:05 |
michaelxin | elmiko: +1 | 17:05 |
elmiko | so-called "on demand credential distribution and authorization control" | 17:05 |
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hyakuhei | I think we can come up with something shinier :P | 17:06 |
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hyakuhei | Anyway | 17:06 |
hyakuhei | #topic Anchor | 17:06 |
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hyakuhei | Not a huge amount to report other than Stan has been super busy making it meet RFCs and other silly things: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/anchor+status:open,n,z | 17:06 |
hyakuhei | tkelsey and dg_ are both on PTO | 17:06 |
hyakuhei | Anyway got any Anchor queries? | 17:06 |
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hyakuhei | Cool | 17:07 |
hyakuhei | #topic Bandit | 17:07 |
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hyakuhei | What’s the story here ? | 17:07 |
tmcpeak | lol, that was quick | 17:07 |
hyakuhei | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/bandit+status:open,n,z | 17:07 |
tmcpeak | Bandit has been a little slow this week, I plan to circle back soon at least with reviews | 17:07 |
bknudson | any release planned? must have been quite a few changes since the last release | 17:07 |
tmcpeak | there are a lot in flight | 17:07 |
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tmcpeak | bknudson: yeah, we need to | 17:07 |
tmcpeak | would be nice to get multi processing in | 17:07 |
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tmcpeak | actually there are quite a few nice to haves in flight | 17:08 |
tmcpeak | maybe we can clear this current queue, test, and then release? | 17:08 |
bknudson | I don't think https://review.openstack.org/#/q/bandit+status:open,n,z is a long list. | 17:08 |
tmcpeak | there are some deal breaker bugs now too | 17:08 |
tmcpeak | at least one | 17:08 |
tmcpeak | severity filtering no longer works | 17:08 |
tmcpeak | so maybe release week or two? | 17:08 |
hyakuhei | ouch | 17:08 |
hyakuhei | How’s the multiprocess stuff looking? | 17:09 |
tmcpeak | yea :| | 17:09 |
tmcpeak | it looks good, much faster | 17:09 |
tmcpeak | we should JFDI | 17:09 |
hyakuhei | Plough on! | 17:09 |
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tmcpeak | cool cool | 17:10 |
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tmcpeak | probably good for Bandit this week | 17:10 |
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tmcpeak | I'll kick up some dust before next week | 17:10 |
hyakuhei | cool | 17:10 |
tmcpeak | we'll have more to say then :) | 17:10 |
hyakuhei | #topic OSSN | 17:10 |
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hyakuhei | THere’s a few OSSN stacked up here : https://review.openstack.org/#/q/security-doc+status:open,n,z | 17:10 |
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hyakuhei | nkinder: once theres a +1 workflow, what’s the process ? | 17:11 |
nkinder | Yep, I'm cycling through the reviews now. | 17:11 |
tmcpeak | spam messages at nkinder until mergies? | 17:11 |
hyakuhei | Excellent, I know there’s plenty there nkinder | 17:11 |
tmcpeak | :P | 17:11 |
nkinder | hyakuhei: Once they merge, I've been updating the wiki and sending them out to the mailing list | 17:11 |
hyakuhei | and you’re still happy to do that ? | 17:11 |
nkinder | There's no easy way to locate merged, but unapproved notes. | 17:11 |
nkinder | I am, though it would make sense for someone else to become familiar with it too. | 17:12 |
hyakuhei | I was wondering if we want to look at publishing gates like we have for some of the docs stuff. | 17:12 |
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hyakuhei | I presume the magic that makes this work #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/anchor | 17:12 |
elmiko | that would be cool | 17:12 |
hyakuhei | could be used for OSSNs in some similar way | 17:12 |
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hyakuhei | OSSN format is already pretty close to RST | 17:13 |
nkinder | It looks like OSSN-0052 and OSSN-0055 need to be published | 17:13 |
nkinder | publishing gates would be nice | 17:13 |
hyakuhei | (I think this is a similar but separate issue from the previous “how to format OSSN” discussion. | 17:13 |
tmcpeak | are there currently any gates? | 17:13 |
tmcpeak | line width etc? | 17:14 |
nkinder | ...but we also want to send e-mail | 17:14 |
hyakuhei | nkinder: sure, so I’m positive we could script that or do some other relatively smart thing | 17:14 |
nkinder | hyakuhei was mentioning that the jobs/tests were broken IIRC | 17:14 |
hyakuhei | gmurphy: you about? | 17:14 |
hyakuhei | Lets maybe kick off an email thread about it? I’m sure docs / VMT have already solved some of this. The less manual cross-posting copy/pasting that’s required the better | 17:15 |
tmcpeak | +1 for no manual CCP | 17:15 |
hyakuhei | A few OSSNs are waiting for small changes from the authors | 17:15 |
nkinder | agreed | 17:15 |
gmurphy | i am | 17:15 |
gmurphy | what's up | 17:15 |
hyakuhei | gmurphy: thoughts regarding publishing OSSNs, I presume the VMT has a pretty slick process for OSSAs | 17:15 |
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gmurphy | so essentially what we do now is push .yaml ossa to gerrit. | 17:16 |
gmurphy | it gets +2'd etc | 17:16 |
gmurphy | then that auto updates security.o.o | 17:16 |
gmurphy | and we've just been sending the generated .rst source out in emails | 17:17 |
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gmurphy | which looks like this - http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-announce/2015-April/000350.html | 17:17 |
hyakuhei | Sounds like there’s only one manual step there, which would be an improvement on where we are. | 17:17 |
hyakuhei | nkinder: I’d be happy to look at getting some gate magic working | 17:18 |
hyakuhei | However, it’s completely up to you :) | 17:18 |
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hyakuhei | So I’ve asked a few authors to make some OSSN changes/updates | 17:19 |
gmurphy | i think this these are the jenkins things that makes it happen.. | 17:19 |
gmurphy | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/project-config/tree/jenkins/jobs/projects.yaml#n2694 | 17:19 |
nkinder | hyakuhei, gmurphy: So the e-mail is still sent out there. | 17:19 |
gmurphy | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/project-config/tree/jenkins/jobs/static-publish-jobs.yaml | 17:19 |
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hyakuhei | If nothing happens by the weekend I’ll get out the “review -d” hammer and do the updates so we can get them out next week. | 17:19 |
nkinder | The OSSN's are in-tree in the format we e-mail out | 17:19 |
nkinder | so it's really the same one step for that part of publishing | 17:20 |
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nkinder | The only other manual step is adding the note to the wiki | 17:20 |
tmcpeak | the wiki part is somewhat time consuming though huh? | 17:20 |
tmcpeak | and thoroughly manual | 17:20 |
nkinder | Nah, it's quick (but manual) | 17:20 |
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tmcpeak | ahh ok | 17:20 |
hyakuhei | Another point: How should we manage releasing this wave of OSSNs, will it be seen as a bad thing to dump out 3-6 OSSNs in a day or two? | 17:21 |
michaelxin | one per week? | 17:21 |
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nkinder | No, I think that will be fine | 17:21 |
nkinder | I'll publish the 2 that are merged today | 17:22 |
hyakuhei | cool | 17:22 |
nkinder | all of the others I looked at need some minor updates | 17:22 |
hyakuhei | I suppose that’s what openstack-announce is for anyway, and -dev is such high traffic no-one should mind. | 17:22 |
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nkinder | I can give the authors a few days, then make the tweaks myself early next week if needed | 17:23 |
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hyakuhei | Yeah, that’s what I was saying above, give them a few days and then we can just bring them up to scratch and publish. | 17:23 |
nkinder | Yep. There are a few more that might merge today once I look them over | 17:24 |
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michaelxin | nkinder: +1 | 17:24 |
hyakuhei | michaelxin: Your trustedVM OSSN. Even if it’s _not_ a vulnerability as such, OSSNs can address common misconceptions about the implied security qualities of a product or feature | 17:24 |
michaelxin | hyakuhei: Got it. Thanks. | 17:24 |
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nkinder | hyakuhei: agreed. I think a note would still be good for that one. | 17:25 |
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hyakuhei | Sweet | 17:26 |
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hyakuhei | Anything else for OSSN ? | 17:26 |
tmcpeak | ship it :P | 17:26 |
nkinder | nope | 17:26 |
hyakuhei | Cool | 17:26 |
hyakuhei | So next up I had security-doc discussion | 17:27 |
hyakuhei | sicarie_: ? | 17:27 |
sicarie_ | There not much to discuss there | 17:27 |
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hyakuhei | How’s the RST transformation ? | 17:27 |
sicarie_ | Compete | 17:27 |
sicarie_ | Complete | 17:27 |
sicarie_ | Sorry, on the bus into the office | 17:28 |
elmiko | added a new sec-doc core, worth mentioning | 17:28 |
sicarie_ | We found an rst to pdf converter | 17:28 |
hyakuhei | oooh | 17:28 |
sicarie_ | +1 | 17:28 |
michaelxin | +1 | 17:28 |
sicarie_ | A new doc core is helping with the sec guide | 17:28 |
hyakuhei | Excellent | 17:28 |
hyakuhei | The guide is nice | 17:29 |
hyakuhei | Coming on well, lots of new contributions | 17:29 |
sicarie_ | So just trying to get everything in before we push a new leaf version | 17:29 |
hyakuhei | I though the crypto discussion looked good | 17:29 |
sicarie_ | Yeah, that was a good addition | 17:29 |
hyakuhei | Did you see that thread regarding Ansible hardening ? | 17:29 |
sicarie_ | No, I missed out | 17:29 |
tmcpeak | who's the doc core? | 17:29 |
sicarie_ | It | 17:29 |
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hyakuhei | I’ll see if I can find it | 17:30 |
sicarie_ | tmcpeak we have a few helping, the new one is Kato | 17:30 |
tmcpeak | ahh cool | 17:30 |
sicarie_ | hyakuhei thanks | 17:30 |
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hyakuhei | #link http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.cloud.openstack.devel/63644 | 17:30 |
tmcpeak | oh yeah, this was interesting | 17:30 |
sicarie_ | Nice, ill see what we can add to the guide | 17:31 |
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hyakuhei | Sweet. Anything else? | 17:31 |
sicarie_ | Not from me | 17:31 |
hyakuhei | #topic PTL | 17:31 |
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sicarie_ | elmiko? | 17:31 |
elmiko | you covered it, just bug fixes to note as well | 17:32 |
hyakuhei | #link https://review.openstack.org/224798 | 17:32 |
hyakuhei | So I screwed up just a little bit ^^ | 17:32 |
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bknudson | we're lucky a black hat didn't come in and take over. | 17:32 |
elmiko | lol, that would have been epic | 17:32 |
sicarie_ | Viva la revolucion! | 17:33 |
hyakuhei | Could still happen, it’s all in the hands of the TC now :) I presume they can be bribed with booze, money or legos and I’m working on a solution | 17:33 |
bknudson | I guess the tc gets to pick | 17:33 |
hyakuhei | Names in a hat ? | 17:33 |
elmiko | hyakuhei: i didn't realize these things went through gerrit. should we add +1s if we agree, or just is a different process? | 17:33 |
tmcpeak | do we have to do elections? | 17:33 |
michaelxin | +1 | 17:33 |
bknudson | I haven't seen the voting process yet | 17:33 |
hyakuhei | Feel free to +1 as a sign of support | 17:33 |
hyakuhei | It will be ignored by the committee | 17:33 |
hyakuhei | I think they just moved to Gerrit this cycle | 17:34 |
elmiko | cool, i'm into meaningless gestures ;) | 17:34 |
hyakuhei | Previously I think it was all done on the ML but I could be wrong. | 17:34 |
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bknudson | voting is usually using an on-line form for condorcet voting | 17:34 |
hyakuhei | Yeah | 17:34 |
hyakuhei | So gerrit isn’t for voting | 17:34 |
tmcpeak | yeah, I never saw gerrit before | 17:35 |
hyakuhei | just announcing candidates / verifying | 17:35 |
elmiko | bknudson: oh yea, good point | 17:35 |
hyakuhei | but this process passed me (and four other PTLs) by | 17:35 |
bknudson | although I don't know how the tc goes about picking a ptl | 17:35 |
hyakuhei | That is undocumented... | 17:35 |
tmcpeak | we didn't do that whole determine the voting base thing either :| | 17:35 |
hyakuhei | That’s part of the gerrit stuff | 17:35 |
hyakuhei | I think it will happen by magic | 17:35 |
tmcpeak | how? | 17:35 |
hyakuhei | Same way ATCs are decided | 17:35 |
hyakuhei | I’m guessing | 17:36 |
hyakuhei | I think I’ve demonstrated I don’t have a firm grasp of the process ;) | 17:36 |
michaelxin | who are four other PTLs? | 17:37 |
hyakuhei | Barbican, Magnum and some others I don’t recall | 17:37 |
bknudson | tc is going to be busy | 17:37 |
michaelxin | hyakuhei: Thanks. | 17:37 |
sicarie_ | michaelxin is planning a takeover | 17:37 |
hyakuhei | Active projects all, I presume all PTLs busy doing PTL things :P | 17:37 |
michaelxin | sicarie_:lol | 17:38 |
hyakuhei | So, moving on from my failings... | 17:38 |
hyakuhei | #topic Syntribos | 17:38 |
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hyakuhei | michaelxin: Anything awesome to share? | 17:38 |
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michaelxin | still working on moving the project. | 17:39 |
hyakuhei | So this is pretty exciting: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/220351/ | 17:39 |
michaelxin | I was told that stack forge is frozen | 17:39 |
michaelxin | that's it. | 17:39 |
hyakuhei | Bringing it in as a top level security project is fine with me | 17:39 |
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tmcpeak | +1 | 17:39 |
hyakuhei | Though it does mean I have to change the outline on our project diagram | 17:39 |
michaelxin | hyakuhei: tmcpeak Thanks. | 17:40 |
hyakuhei | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/File:SecurityProjectPillars.png | 17:40 |
hyakuhei | heh. | 17:40 |
tmcpeak | back to Visio for you hyakuhei | 17:40 |
hyakuhei | :’( | 17:40 |
elmiko | just slice up the bandit/anchor region | 17:40 |
hyakuhei | We already have it as a verticle on the right | 17:41 |
elmiko | oh yea, oops | 17:41 |
michaelxin | +1 | 17:41 |
tmcpeak | oh yeah | 17:41 |
tmcpeak | you might not have a handle on this candidacy process but you're a fortune teller when it comes to diagrams ;) | 17:41 |
hyakuhei | :D | 17:42 |
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elmiko | lol | 17:42 |
hyakuhei | dg_ isn’t around to talk about Threat Analysis/Modelling | 17:42 |
hyakuhei | #topic Recruiting | 17:42 |
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tmcpeak | cool, so we're on the books with the first meetup | 17:43 |
sicarie_ | He started a folder in grit hee was populating | 17:43 |
hyakuhei | tmcpeak: What’s the link to the google doc again? Is it globably shared/viewable? | 17:43 |
tmcpeak | OpenStack in Seattle Dec 15th | 17:43 |
tmcpeak | I'll make it globally viewable | 17:43 |
sicarie_ | Grit -> gerrit | 17:43 |
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michaelxin | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-project-recruiting | 17:43 |
hyakuhei | Thanks tmcpeak | 17:43 |
michaelxin | https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/13GG47EdoQCBEGqMe7ji_UzfO9okMTLgbnK5_UpoaXYA/edit?usp=sharing_eid | 17:44 |
tmcpeak | https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/13GG47EdoQCBEGqMe7ji_UzfO9okMTLgbnK5_UpoaXYA/edit?usp=sharing | 17:44 |
tmcpeak | ;) | 17:44 |
tmcpeak | also this | 17:44 |
tmcpeak | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-project-recruiting | 17:44 |
tmcpeak | as you register for events please put them here | 17:45 |
tmcpeak | I also took a shot at an abstract | 17:45 |
michaelxin | tmcpeak: +1 | 17:45 |
tmcpeak | so all please set up your local events | 17:45 |
tmcpeak | I'll be delayed until I get back to the bay, but would nice to have a round done by January | 17:45 |
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hyakuhei | I’ll try to add some Anchor over the weekend. | 17:46 |
tmcpeak | hyakuhei: awesome | 17:46 |
hyakuhei | Who else do you need contributions from ? | 17:46 |
michaelxin | still need slides for Anchor | 17:46 |
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tmcpeak | it would be nice to have notes at the bottom of each slide | 17:46 |
tmcpeak | so people that aren't as familiar with each project know what's important to say | 17:47 |
michaelxin | tmcpeak: +1 | 17:47 |
tmcpeak | I'll do one for Bandit | 17:47 |
tmcpeak | sicarie_: can you do notes for sec guide? | 17:47 |
tmcpeak | hyakuheI: anchor? | 17:47 |
tmcpeak | nkinder: want to play? | 17:47 |
hyakuhei | Yeah speaking notes make sense | 17:47 |
sicarie | tmcpeak: sure | 17:47 |
tmcpeak | sweet | 17:47 |
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tmcpeak | I'll do OSSA too since I made that section | 17:48 |
nkinder | tmcpeak: yeah, I'll take a look at OSSNs | 17:48 |
tmcpeak | michaelxin: syntribos please? | 17:48 |
tmcpeak | nkinder: thank you | 17:48 |
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michaelxin | tmcpeak: got it. | 17:48 |
tmcpeak | awesome | 17:48 |
tmcpeak | so hopefully we should have the deck done by next week | 17:48 |
tmcpeak | would anybody like help setting up events in their area or you all got a good handle on it? | 17:48 |
hyakuhei | tmcpeak: Did you have a UK event targetted? | 17:49 |
tmcpeak | hyakuhei: not yet | 17:49 |
michaelxin | I am good with San Antonio and Austin | 17:49 |
tmcpeak | I can set one up or you want to? | 17:49 |
michaelxin | Already updated the page | 17:49 |
hyakuhei | I’ll look for one, I was just checking :) | 17:49 |
tmcpeak | I've learned from Seattle that the earlier you can start the process the better :) | 17:49 |
tmcpeak | I'll even start trying to set up something in the bay now | 17:50 |
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tmcpeak | with the assumption that evens like OWASP are booked out pretty far in advance | 17:50 |
tmcpeak | that's probably it for recruiting this week | 17:51 |
hyakuhei | Excellent work, I hope this is fruitfull, the bar for entry is pretty high for OpenStack Security, OpenStack itself has so many moving/option pieces. | 17:51 |
hyakuhei | Thanks tmcpeak lets keep recruiting as a regular feature. | 17:51 |
nkinder | tmcpeak: when the deck is finished, it might even make sense to have a trimmed down version for lightning talks | 17:51 |
tmcpeak | hyakuhei: +1 would be nice to get more bodies | 17:51 |
tmcpeak | ;) | 17:51 |
tmcpeak | nkinder: good point | 17:51 |
hyakuhei | #topic Any other business | 17:51 |
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tmcpeak | as it is could probably just lightning through it :) | 17:51 |
nkinder | tmcpeak: ...that way we can still give presos at conferences where we don't have an accepted slot | 17:51 |
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hyakuhei | elmiko: How’s your auth writeup going? | 17:52 |
tmcpeak | definitely | 17:52 |
elmiko | hyakuhei: about 5-6 pages in to a slide deck, i'd like to finish this up then do a spec-style writeup as well | 17:52 |
singlethink | sicarie_: What are you using for RST -> PDF conversion? | 17:52 |
nkinder | hyakuhei: restore your +2 on this, and I can get it pushed out today - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219922/ | 17:52 |
elmiko | i'm thinking i will be ready to share some stuff next week and we can start hammering out details and reworking | 17:52 |
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sicarie | singlethink: rst2pdf I think - I had a few to go through once we got an idea of where we wanted to be | 17:53 |
elmiko | trying to keep it open at the moment and stick to what we talked about during the midcycle, also noting some questions that are coming up | 17:53 |
hyakuhei | elmiko: Great, thank you, I’d like to contribute as much as I can. | 17:53 |
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hyakuhei | nkinder: done. | 17:53 |
elmiko | hyakuhei: for sure, i'm not trying to own this, just want to have something complete that we can collab. on | 17:53 |
hyakuhei | Sounds good to me :) | 17:53 |
singlethink | sicarie: just curious... we use pandoc heavily at work for md -> pdf, docx, etc. conversion with good results | 17:53 |
hyakuhei | sicarie: That’s what Atom uses for rst->pdf too | 17:54 |
hyakuhei | it _hates_ tables though (at least when I tried it) | 17:54 |
sicarie | singlethink: thanks, I'll take a look - there's something with that and the docs team I remember it coming up before | 17:54 |
sicarie | That might have been it | 17:54 |
singlethink | Yes... tables are one of its weaknesses | 17:54 |
singlethink | For us, it's nice because we already write markdown in all of our GitHub repos | 17:55 |
hyakuhei | Yeah, I really like GH MD | 17:55 |
singlethink | from there we can go to pdf, docx, or other formats using a configurable template | 17:55 |
hyakuhei | pretty | 17:55 |
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singlethink | It does have some warts though (like tables) | 17:55 |
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hyakuhei | Anything else people ? | 17:57 |
michaelxin | bye | 17:58 |
michaelxin | thanks. | 17:58 |
hyakuhei | I guess that’s a wrap! Thank you for a very productive meeting! | 17:58 |
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hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 17:58 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 17 17:58:23 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:58 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-09-17-16.59.html | 17:58 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-09-17-16.59.txt | 17:58 |
tmcpeak | thanks hyakuhei! | 17:58 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-09-17-16.59.log.html | 17:58 |
elmiko | thanks hyakuhei | 17:58 |
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nkinder | thanks! | 17:59 |
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elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: =) | 18:01 |
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SergeyLukjanov | hey sahara folks :) | 18:01 |
egafford | Hi all! | 18:01 |
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esikachev | hey! | 18:02 |
SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting sahara | 18:02 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 17 18:02:18 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
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vgridnev_ | hey | 18:02 |
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SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 18:03 |
tosky | hi | 18:03 |
SergeyLukjanov | #topic sahara@horizon status (crobertsrh, vgridnev) | 18:03 |
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elmiko | i *think* most of the changes have merged, but there are a few outstanding. i'll ping croberts | 18:04 |
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elmiko | oh well, he's at lunch :/ | 18:05 |
egafford | I think the etherpad at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-reviews-in-horizon is up to date | 18:05 |
SergeyLukjanov | vitaly seems offline | 18:05 |
SergeyLukjanov | cool | 18:05 |
egafford | All the unmerged reviews are, in fact, unmerged. | 18:05 |
elmiko | very close to having everything merged. nicely done | 18:06 |
SergeyLukjanov | great! | 18:06 |
SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 18:06 |
egafford | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209683/ just got merged after its FFE, which was exciting. :D | 18:06 |
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SergeyLukjanov | I'm travelling to Mountain View tomorrow and will be there till October 5th, if someone will be there too - let's have some beer ;) | 18:06 |
elmiko | i'm working on improved secret store and some work for the presentations in tokyo | 18:07 |
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elmiko | also, doc cleanup in the final stages | 18:07 |
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elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: you must have a crazy amount of frequent flyer miles ;) | 18:07 |
egafford | Not much. Working with the TripleO team on their development environment spinup process rewrite and updates to those patches. Hoping to return to really for real full-time Sahara from part-time TripleO by end of month. We'll see how that goes. Also Tokyo presentations. | 18:08 |
tosky | finally got the "scenario CLI tests as tempest plugin" working, going to submit a review sooooon | 18:08 |
egafford | tosky: \o/ | 18:08 |
SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, different companies each time and actually I don't even have a miles card - yes, I'm lazy | 18:08 |
tosky | it required fixing them and some interaction with degorenko (thanks a lot) | 18:08 |
elmiko | ouch... | 18:09 |
SergeyLukjanov | tosky, great! | 18:09 |
elmiko | very cool tosky | 18:09 |
tosky | not so cool comparing to real features, it's just a (small) infrastructural change, but thanks | 18:10 |
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elmiko | don't tell me what to think is cool! ;) | 18:10 |
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SergeyLukjanov | #topic Liberty-3 and FFEs | 18:11 |
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SergeyLukjanov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-liberty-ffes | 18:12 |
SergeyLukjanov | open q. is about secuirty | 18:12 |
elmiko | yea | 18:12 |
SergeyLukjanov | we'll have first RC actual already NEXT week | 18:12 |
elmiko | i think i should probably retract my request | 18:12 |
elmiko | i'd like more time for testing and review | 18:12 |
SergeyLukjanov | so, all features should be opefully merged till Monday | 18:12 |
egafford | elmiko: Totally reasonable (as per discussion yesterday). | 18:13 |
elmiko | makes me sad, but it's probably for the best to take more time | 18:13 |
tosky | SergeyLukjanov: when will the liberty branch be created exactly (and master == M)? | 18:13 |
egafford | Yeah, absolutely. No last minute feature like a last-minute sec feature. :) | 18:13 |
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SergeyLukjanov | tosky, yup | 18:14 |
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SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, okay, thx, sorry about that | 18:14 |
SergeyLukjanov | I'm really wanting to have it merged soon | 18:14 |
tosky | SergeyLukjanov: so, the RC day is the branch day? | 18:14 |
SergeyLukjanov | it's great step to the security | 18:14 |
SergeyLukjanov | tosky, exactly | 18:14 |
elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: no worries, i'll make a CR to move improved secret storage to mitaka specs | 18:14 |
SergeyLukjanov | tosky, created with the single script :) | 18:15 |
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SergeyLukjanov | any other requests? | 18:16 |
SergeyLukjanov | last second requests :) | 18:16 |
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SergeyLukjanov | I think "Ceilometer at the gate" is obsolete topic already | 18:16 |
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SergeyLukjanov | do we have something to discuss in "Tokyo summit working group topic discussion" topic? | 18:16 |
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elmiko | yea | 18:16 |
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elmiko | not sure about tokyo sessions, has anyone updated the pad? | 18:17 |
elmiko | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-sahara-session-plans | 18:17 |
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egafford | We talked about my topic last week a little, and the information is there and unchanged. | 18:17 |
elmiko | nice, good ideas up there | 18:18 |
SergeyLukjanov | #topic Tokyo summit working group topic discussion | 18:18 |
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egafford | elmiko: We should probably put Zaqar integration / guest agents as a top-tier notion up there. | 18:18 |
elmiko | +1 | 18:18 |
SergeyLukjanov | +1 | 18:18 |
elmiko | that might be for a working group session? | 18:18 |
egafford | Makes sense, yeah. | 18:19 |
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egafford | It's definitely enough to fill an hour... | 18:19 |
elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: i think one of our fishbowls should be a "state of sahara" type session | 18:19 |
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SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, agreed | 18:20 |
egafford | elmiko: +1 | 18:20 |
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SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, could you please add summit sessions etherpad with it? I have a bad internet connection and it's not working for me :( | 18:20 |
elmiko | not sure about the other fishbowl, i don't think we have enough security content to fill an entire hour | 18:20 |
elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: will do | 18:20 |
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egafford | elmiko: Sec makes a little more sense for a working room to me, but fishbowl could work too. | 18:22 |
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elmiko | egafford: i think working room makes more sense, we didn't get quite as much done as i would have liked this cycle, but i have many plans to talk about | 18:23 |
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SergeyLukjanov | so, for the fishbowl vs working session | 18:23 |
elmiko | i could go either way, depending on what folks want | 18:23 |
SergeyLukjanov | if we sant to attract more people - fishbowl | 18:23 |
SergeyLukjanov | but if we want to decide something - working session | 18:23 |
egafford | SergeyLukjanov: :) | 18:23 |
elmiko | hehe, so true | 18:23 |
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elmiko | i'd like to get someone else involved with our security efforts too | 18:23 |
elmiko | i have a bunch of ideas but not enough time... | 18:24 |
egafford | elmiko: +1; there are a lot of UX stories I really want to tackle next cycle (API 2.0 or bust!), but we can triage. | 18:25 |
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elmiko | yea, plus apiv2 would be nice to work on as well! | 18:25 |
egafford | Don't know if we should have a WG about API v2 / UX. | 18:25 |
egafford | It's a very ongoing concern, with a lot of prior conversations behind it. | 18:26 |
elmiko | working group on v2 would be really useful imo, we cold cement the plans in flight | 18:26 |
elmiko | and UX should definitely be a session | 18:26 |
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egafford | elmiko: I can see it. Well, I think API v2 and UX are joined at the hip. | 18:26 |
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elmiko | egafford: good point, i just think there are many issues we could talk about for UX. maybe let the api discussion follow the UX plans? | 18:27 |
egafford | The question is whether we'd get hung up on specifics of APIv2 and miss the UX forest if we put them together. | 18:27 |
elmiko | yea, that's my concern | 18:27 |
elmiko | i want to ensure we have ample time to talk about UX | 18:27 |
egafford | Think we're on a wavelength, yeah. | 18:27 |
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elmiko | i think most of the api v2 plans are in good shape, but we could get really hung-up bikeshedding the whole thing | 18:27 |
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egafford | elmiko: Yeah, it's my hope that Mitaka is the cycle of taking what we already have and making it really, really friendly. | 18:27 |
egafford | Yes, that's a risk. :) | 18:28 |
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egafford | I do love me a good bikeshed. | 18:28 |
elmiko | +1 for friendlifying ;) | 18:28 |
egafford | +1 for the word "firendlifying". | 18:28 |
elmiko | haha | 18:28 |
egafford | s/that/what you said/ | 18:28 |
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egafford | Anyway. | 18:28 |
egafford | UX discussion might actually be a decent fishbowl. | 18:29 |
egafford | As it's more brainstorming than specific technical decision, and customers might even attend. | 18:29 |
elmiko | i think there is enough content for it, but like SergeyLukjanov said fishbowl might not get as much accomplished | 18:29 |
elmiko | ok, that makes sense | 18:29 |
elmiko | let's at least put it on the pad as a possible fishbowl idea | 18:30 |
SergeyLukjanov | yup | 18:30 |
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egafford | Done; UX fishbowl, zaqar WG, API v2 WG stubbed out on the sheet. | 18:31 |
elmiko | awesome, thanks! | 18:31 |
egafford | Any other ideas for groups for summit | 18:31 |
egafford | ? | 18:31 |
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elmiko | i'll add a few more bullet points for apiv2 to the pad | 18:32 |
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egafford | elmiko: Woot. Yeah, those are stubby, as I don't know that I'll own them. | 18:32 |
elmiko | oh, sec. stuff should be on working room. i'll add it | 18:32 |
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elmiko | anything else on this topic? | 18:34 |
egafford | I'm gonna go with "no" at this point. | 18:35 |
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SergeyLukjanov | I don't have ideas, but we have around 5 weeks before summit | 18:36 |
SergeyLukjanov | or 6 | 18:36 |
SergeyLukjanov | couldn't count ;) | 18:36 |
SergeyLukjanov | #topic Open discussion | 18:36 |
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elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: i sent an email retracting the FFE for the secret store | 18:39 |
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SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, ack | 18:40 |
* SergeyLukjanov just got the priority pass card from my bank, so, will hopefully sleep this time in a business lounge instead of just gate :) | 18:40 | |
egafford | Whoa, SergeyLukjanov is fancy. | 18:41 |
elmiko | +1, sleeping at the gate is terribad | 18:41 |
crobertsrh | agreed. No more gate sleeping. | 18:41 |
egafford | +1, admittedly. | 18:41 |
elmiko | crobertsrh: although we did pretty well on the way back from vancouver lol | 18:41 |
egafford | Eh, I will probably keep sleeping at gates. Won't like it though. | 18:41 |
crobertsrh | I can sleep anywhere now that I have 2 kids. | 18:42 |
elmiko | haha | 18:42 |
SergeyLukjanov | heh, internet failure | 18:42 |
SergeyLukjanov | hopefully, I'm still here | 18:42 |
SergeyLukjanov | so, who're going to summit? | 18:43 |
SergeyLukjanov | from Mirantis - me and Nikita Konovalov | 18:43 |
crobertsrh | I will be there | 18:43 |
egafford | SergeyLukjanov: You are. We're just chatting about sleeping at gates. :) | 18:43 |
egafford | I'll be there. | 18:43 |
SergeyLukjanov | not sure that it was sent - [21:41:32] <SergeyLukjanov>elmiko, was never tried other options 😊 | 18:43 |
SergeyLukjanov | do you probably know - does Matt planning to attend? | 18:44 |
elmiko | think so | 18:44 |
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crobertsrh | Of course, he planned on Vancouver as well :) | 18:45 |
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SergeyLukjanov | :) | 18:45 |
SergeyLukjanov | anything else to discuss? | 18:46 |
SergeyLukjanov | oh, Denis Egorenko will be on summit as well I think | 18:46 |
elmiko | nothing from me | 18:46 |
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crobertsrh | Nothing here | 18:47 |
egafford | Nothing :) | 18:48 |
SergeyLukjanov | okay, so, let's have another 10 minutes to work :) | 18:48 |
elmiko | hehe, nice | 18:49 |
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elmiko | #endmeeting | 18:51 |
elmiko | well, i tried... | 18:51 |
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SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 18:52 |
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SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 18:52 |
openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 17 18:52:03 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:52 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-09-17-18.02.html | 18:52 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-09-17-18.02.txt | 18:52 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-09-17-18.02.log.html | 18:52 |
elmiko | thanks SergeyLukjanov | 18:52 |
SergeyLukjanov | shity internet | 18:52 |
elmiko | yea really | 18:52 |
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sriram | #startmeeting poppy | 19:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 17 19:00:31 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sriram. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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sriram | o/ | 19:00 |
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tonytan4ever | o/ | 19:00 |
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cathR | o/ | 19:01 |
esikachev | o/ | 19:01 |
amitgandhinz | o/ | 19:01 |
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sriram | #topic Review last week action items | 19:02 |
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sriram | let me pull up the action items from last time. | 19:02 |
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sriram | #topic amitgandhinz to resurrect https://review.openstack.org/143192 | 19:03 |
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sriram | amitgandhinz: were you able to progress on that? | 19:04 |
amitgandhinz | #topic Review Last Weeks Action Items | 19:04 |
amitgandhinz | ugh i cant change the topic back | 19:04 |
sriram | err? | 19:04 |
amitgandhinz | anyway no progress on that | 19:04 |
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amitgandhinz | sriram: you made the question the topic lol | 19:04 |
sriram | haha | 19:05 |
sriram | my bad | 19:05 |
sriram | lets put it back as an action item then. | 19:05 |
amitgandhinz | =p | 19:05 |
amitgandhinz | ya | 19:05 |
sriram | #action amitgandhinz to resurrect https://review.openstack.org/143192 | 19:05 |
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sriram | ok moving on to next topic | 19:05 |
sriram | #topic blueprints and bugs | 19:05 |
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sriram | https://launchpad.net/poppy/+milestone/liberty-3 | 19:06 |
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malini | o/ | 19:06 |
sriram | hey there malini | 19:06 |
malini | hey :) | 19:06 |
amitgandhinz | yeh lets make malini do everything above | 19:06 |
amitgandhinz | agreed | 19:06 |
sriram | solved | 19:06 |
sriram | quick | 19:06 |
malini | you mean the poppy party? | 19:06 |
malini | yeah I can do that | 19:06 |
sriram | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/gate-api-tests | 19:07 |
amitgandhinz | no progress | 19:07 |
sriram | alright then | 19:07 |
sriram | moving on | 19:07 |
amitgandhinz | i outta take my name off that | 19:07 |
sriram | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/devstack | 19:07 |
malini | I can pick tht up - but only if it adds any significant value :) | 19:07 |
malini | I mean the gate-api-tests bp | 19:07 |
sriram | amitgandhinz: you have that assigned to yourself as well. | 19:08 |
sriram | malini: feel free to assign yourself to it. | 19:08 |
amitgandhinz | i just removed myself from the gate-api-tests | 19:08 |
malini | ok..I'll try to get to it next week | 19:08 |
sriram | awesome, thanks | 19:08 |
amitgandhinz | the main thing there is to add the appropriate stuff to the infra jobs | 19:08 |
malini | amitgandhinz: didnt you have a patch almost ready for that? | 19:08 |
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amitgandhinz | but we also need a nice way to run the docker stuff on an ubuntu box | 19:08 |
malini | magnum might have ideas | 19:09 |
amitgandhinz | i kind of made some updates, but i did not submit anything | 19:09 |
amitgandhinz | i will show you offline what i did | 19:09 |
malini | ok | 19:09 |
amitgandhinz | but i ran into issues with docker connection strings being right | 19:09 |
malini | ok :( | 19:10 |
sriram | ok lets get that documented. | 19:10 |
sriram | so that anyone can pick it up if needed, in this case malini LOL | 19:10 |
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sriram | alright, moving on | 19:11 |
tonytan4ever | I can help with that later once my current ssl stuff is completed. | 19:11 |
tonytan4ever | alright | 19:11 |
sriram | Akamai SSL driver: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/akamai-ssl-driver | 19:11 |
sriram | tonytan4ever: ^ | 19:11 |
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tonytan4ever | This one is in progress. | 19:11 |
tonytan4ever | Well, in good progress. I am trying to wrap it up by the end of this week | 19:12 |
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sriram | nice, thanks for working on it, tonytan4ever. | 19:12 |
tonytan4ever | Next week we can start testing it. | 19:12 |
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sriram | Create Rackspace DNS plugin for mimic | 19:13 |
sriram | well thats not assinged to anyone yet | 19:13 |
sriram | but its part of the liberty cycle. | 19:13 |
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sriram | aah, looks like it was assigned to obul. | 19:14 |
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sriram | Increase Code Coverage to 100% | 19:15 |
sriram | hey miqui, were you able to work on it? | 19:15 |
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miqui | sriram: sorry, no....been out of commission for a while...although i finally understand nose... | 19:16 |
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sriram | miqui: thats ok, we can just mark it as slow progress for now. | 19:17 |
miqui | sriram: ...thanks very much...i appreciatte your patience.. | 19:18 |
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sriram | looks like some others have been implemented and have landed. Geo Restrictions, notification driver | 19:18 |
sriram | miqui: np | 19:18 |
sriram | awesome job tonytan4ever | 19:18 |
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sriram | alright, I dont see any more open bugs. | 19:19 |
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sriram | #topic Open Discussion | 19:19 |
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sriram | anyone have anything to discuss? | 19:19 |
sriram | amitgandhinz, tonytan4ever, miqui, malini: ^ | 19:19 |
tonytan4ever | I don't have anything yet. | 19:20 |
malini | none from m | 19:20 |
malini | e | 19:20 |
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sriram | going once | 19:21 |
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sriram | going twice | 19:22 |
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sriram | going thrice | 19:22 |
sriram | all right, thanks folks | 19:22 |
sriram | #endmeeting | 19:22 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 17 19:22:51 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:22 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy/2015/poppy.2015-09-17-19.00.html | 19:22 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy/2015/poppy.2015-09-17-19.00.txt | 19:22 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy/2015/poppy.2015-09-17-19.00.log.html | 19:22 |
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