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| harlowja_at_home | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 21 16:00:06 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja_at_home. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for GheRivero, amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dougwig, e0ne, flaper87, garyk, dims, haypo, | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for ihrachyshka, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz, lifeless, lintan, ozamiatin, redrobot, rpodolyaka, | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for sergmelikyan, sreshetnyak, sileht, sreshetnyak, stevemar, therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek | 16:00 |
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| ozamiatin | o/ | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
| johnsom | o/ | 16:00 |
| bknudson | hi | 16:00 |
| kzaitsev_mb | o/ | 16:00 |
| dims__ | o/ | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | yo yo | 16:00 |
| zzzeek | o/ | 16:00 |
| jecarey | o/ | 16:00 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 16:00 |
| bknudson | looks like there's been a coup already. | 16:00 |
| sileht | o/ | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | so your previous meeting host, dims__ will be busy today, i have taken his spot (not his body) | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | haha | 16:00 |
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| harlowja_at_home | let's get the show on the road! | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Action items from last week | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from last week (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:01 | |
| harlowja_at_home | sooo | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-09-14-16.19.html | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-09-14-16.19.html | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | so i think the virtual sprint email was done | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-liberty-virtual-doc-sprint | 16:02 |
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| harlowja_at_home | jecarey, good to go right? | 16:02 |
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| harlowja_at_home | 'Kick-off:14:00 UTC on Sept 24th' (from etherpad) | 16:02 |
| jecarey | harlowja_at_home, yes ... though due to a family thing, I can't participate anymore. | 16:02 |
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| harlowja_at_home | okies, we will have a honorary kickoff in your name then, someone else can kick i suppose? | 16:03 |
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| * harlowja_at_home does not do so well at kicking (balls or other) | 16:03 | |
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| harlowja_at_home | anyways, we'll make it work (kick or not) | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:04 | |
| harlowja_at_home | any red flags that anyones seeing? | 16:05 |
| bknudson | nothing for keystone | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | noting for Cinder. | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | *nothing | 16:05 |
| johnsom | Nothing on the Octavia front | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | good good | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Specs specs specs | 16:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs specs specs (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:07 | |
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| harlowja_at_home | soo we have a few specs that are nearly ready to get merged, just wanted to see if anyone has any issues with them (or other) | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/204073/ (new privsep work) | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | seems like people are eager(?) to get that one going | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | i've requested a y! security folk also look at it (but doesn't seem like that has happened yet) | 16:08 |
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| harlowja_at_home | anyone else that wants to look that one over, please do | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | it seems to be about a micron away from merging, so this week it will probably move that far | 16:09 |
| bknudson | this is proposing a library or server? | 16:09 |
| * bknudson wonders why this isn't part of OSSG | 16:09 | |
| harlowja_at_home | gus, yt (pretty sure this is the right gus) | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | bknudson, +1 to it being connected into OSSG | 16:11 |
| bnemec | I believe this is actually what OSSG wanted us to do in the first place. | 16:11 |
| dims__ | ++ bnemec | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: privsep is a new feature in rootwrap, is that not made clear in the spec? (I haven't read it) | 16:11 |
| bnemec | I don't like my odds of finding the ML post where they said that though. :-) | 16:11 |
| bknudson | I haven't read the spec. | 16:12 |
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| bknudson | I know this was discussed by the OSSG and we came up with the same solution | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | this is the thing we discussed in vancouver | 16:12 |
| bknudson | now I'm wondering why this work is proposed to oslo program and not ossg program | 16:12 |
| bknudson | although if oslo owns rootwrap that makes sense | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | because the code is going into rootwrap -- right | 16:13 |
| dims__ | and a eventual replacement for rootwrap | 16:13 |
| bknudson | I noticed that changing rootwrap is kind of a mess, since nova doesn't actually use "just rootwrap" | 16:13 |
| bknudson | you can also configure nova to not use rootwrap | 16:13 |
| bknudson | maybe switching to privsep can clean that up too. | 16:14 |
| bknudson | (as in, always use privsep rather than rootwrap/direct commands) | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, i hope that's how this works out :) | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | so that's spec #1 thats about to go in, please check it out before it merges (soon) | 16:15 |
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| bknudson | I don't see in the spec an obvious place where it says this is part of rootwrap | 16:16 |
| harlowja_at_home | spec #2 behind door #2 is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219468/ | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | 'Spec for pbr changes for pip' | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | this one should get pbr a wider audience and help overall (afaik) | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | making pbr and pip more BFF | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: I didn't either, and it would be good to clarify that. now that I think of it, we also discussed making this a brand new library | 16:18 |
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| bknudson | if it's a new library why not put it in ossg | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | dunno | 16:18 |
| * harlowja_at_home has no objections to this, if its the best thing to do :) | 16:18 | |
| harlowja_at_home | or we can transfer ownership as needed... | 16:19 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #action harlowja_at_home start a ML email thread about privsep and ossg and repo/code ownership | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | i'll start something on that, it seems like an ok question imho | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | and one that i'm not sure the answer to :-P | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | sound ok to folks? | 16:22 |
| bknudson | you can ask gus if he's willing to do it first | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | k | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | will do | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | any other specs folks want to bring up that need some attention | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/oslo-specs,n,z | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Summit planning | 16:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Summit planning (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:24 | |
| harlowja_at_home | alright, onto the next bigger topic | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | mitaka is fastly approaching | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | and https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-oslo-summit-planning is fastly forming | 16:24 |
| bknudson | how many slots does oslo have? | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims__, you have any idea on ^ ? | 16:25 |
| dims__ | bknudson: we haven't been told yet | 16:25 |
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| harlowja_at_home | that's probably decided soon right? | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | i say take over all the slots, lol | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | :-P | 16:26 |
| bknudson | let's make this the "oslo summit" | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | or maybe wait a little for the 'O' summit | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | which will be in oslo, lol | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | anndd that one will def be all oslo, all the time | 16:27 |
| * harlowja_at_home can not confirm any of the above ^ | 16:27 | |
| harlowja_at_home | anyway, please add ideas, drivers, interested to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-oslo-summit-planning | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | anything and everything accepted (ideas, people, drivers...) | 16:28 |
| bknudson | oslo is taking over everything, e.g., "Policy, roles, and finally killing Bug 968696" was a keystone session last time. | 16:28 |
| openstack | bug 968696 in OpenStack Compute (nova) ""admin"-ness not properly scoped" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/968696 | 16:28 |
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| bknudson | "finally pulling off encryption with oslo.messaging (trusted messaging?), how to get from 0 to 60 (aka, how to make it happen)" -- was also done in keystone for a while | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | if it doesn't work, we'll pass it back to keystone | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | the cycle of life, lol | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | *circle of life | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | https://i.ytimg.com/vi/8zLx_JtcQVI/maxresdefault.jpg (or other circle of life reference) | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | ^ keystone and oslo (all happy) | 16:30 |
| bknudson | I thought circle of life was when the lion ate the monkey | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | that is the other circle | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | they didn't show those scenes in the movi | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | i know there are a few other things that could be talked about for taskflow, and possibly a few other libraries, so i'll poke some folks on that | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | and get those ideas listed on there | 16:32 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #action harlowja_at_home poke folks for taskflow and automaton ideas to get on etherpad for mitaka | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Open discussion | 16:33 |
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| harlowja_at_home | anything else folks want to chit-chat about? | 16:33 |
| harlowja_at_home | vote as well! | 16:34 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims__, or me, you decide the future | 16:34 |
| * harlowja_at_home will not build a wall around mexico this time | 16:34 | |
| bknudson | canada? | 16:34 |
| harlowja_at_home | maybe canada, to much maple syrup | 16:34 |
| * harlowja_at_home hasn't had maple syrup in a while, mmm | 16:35 | |
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| harlowja_at_home | okie dokie then, speak now or forever hold your peace | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | *where forever == until next week | 16:36 |
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| harlowja_at_home | exit stage left, lol | 16:37 |
| harlowja_at_home | thx for showing up folks | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | :-) Later. | 16:37 |
| harlowja_at_home | #endmeeting | 16:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 21 16:38:02 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-09-21-16.00.html | 16:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-09-21-16.00.txt | 16:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-09-21-16.00.log.html | 16:38 |
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| catherineD | #startmeeting refstack | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 21 19:00:33 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is catherineD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 19:00 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 19:00 |
| Rockyg | o/ | 19:00 |
| catherineD | roll call | 19:00 |
| catherineD | #link meeting agenda and notes, please feel free to add items https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-15-09-21 | 19:01 |
| pvaneck | o/ | 19:01 |
| catherineD | hi hogepodge: Rockyg: pvaneck: .. | 19:01 |
| dwalleck | o/ | 19:01 |
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| catherineD | #topic Welcome Rackspace team to join RefStack | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Welcome Rackspace team to join RefStack (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 19:03 | |
| Rockyg | hey! | 19:03 |
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| dwalleck | woo! | 19:03 |
| catherineD | dwalleck: Welcome | 19:03 |
| dwalleck | Thanks for having us :) | 19:03 |
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| catherineD | We are glad to have you joinning us ... | 19:04 |
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| catherineD | #topic Infra hosting | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Infra hosting (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 19:04 | |
| catherineD | pvaneck: pls update ... | 19:04 |
| Rockyg | hey, it's really important we have a PCP working on this. It helps us get it right. | 19:05 |
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| pvaneck | right | 19:05 |
| pvaneck | so the patch in question is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198869/ | 19:05 |
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| pvaneck | i just submitted an update on that patch which will hopefully be all we need | 19:06 |
| catherineD | Rockyg: PCP? | 19:06 |
| Rockyg | ?? | 19:06 |
| Rockyg | Oh. Public cloud provider | 19:07 |
| catherineD | Rockyg: ha.. | 19:07 |
| catherineD | Rockyg: ++ | 19:07 |
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| pvaneck | in any case, just waiting to see if it passes jenkins | 19:08 |
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| catherineD | pvaneck: thanks for the update .... Let see how it goes from here ... | 19:08 |
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| catherineD | #topic CPID (Cloud Provider ID) | 19:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CPID (Cloud Provider ID) (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 19:09 | |
| catherineD | #info Admin credential is no longr required to fetch CPID for RefStack !!! | 19:09 |
| catherineD | I am able to run RefStack now with no admin credential specified ... | 19:10 |
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| catherineD | #topic Enable RefStack for Non-tempest test | 19:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Enable RefStack for Non-tempest test (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 19:11 | |
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| catherineD | I believe for this, we will leverage Tempest plug-in to bringin in-tree tests ... RefStack will not develop own plugin .... | 19:12 |
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| dwalleck | As long as the tempest plugin system is flexible enough, it shouldn't be a problem | 19:13 |
| sslypushenko__ | o/ Hi, all! | 19:13 |
| catherineD | hi sslypushenko__: ... | 19:13 |
| pvaneck | hey sergey | 19:13 |
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| catherineD | dwalleck: right ... so we may need to participate in Tempest plugin development if we find out that it is not flexible for RefStack ... | 19:15 |
| sslypushenko__ | catherineD It is already functional enough | 19:16 |
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| catherineD | Rockyg: with that I am not sure how we would be able to bring in the EC2 test ... It just meant that the EC2 needs to be able to operate with Tempest plugin | 19:16 |
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| dwalleck | I'm going to start catching up on whatever work has been done so far for the Tempest plugin system. I'm interested to see what the actual implementation is | 19:16 |
| sslypushenko__ | Basically, it is just discovery for non-tempest test + config injection | 19:16 |
| Rockyg | catherineD, Right. The EC2 folks will need to get work with the plugin | 19:17 |
| sslypushenko__ | dwalleck You can look here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214571/ | 19:17 |
| sslypushenko__ | It is reaaly simple if you experienced in python packaging | 19:18 |
| dwalleck | sslypushenko__: Thanks, will do | 19:18 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko__: so config is automated with no user intertions? we all know that config is a big deal when testsing with Tempest | 19:19 |
| sslypushenko__ | Also, mtreinish is on top tempest plugins from tempest side | 19:19 |
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| sslypushenko__ | catherineD Heh) No) | 19:20 |
| sslypushenko__ | But plugins allow to store config fot non-tempest tests in tempest.conf) | 19:20 |
| sslypushenko__ | So tempest.conf becomes a bigger deal | 19:21 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko__: interesting ... | 19:21 |
| sslypushenko__ | To make it possible, in-tree tests should support configuration through oslo-config | 19:22 |
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| catherineD | dwalleck: you join us in time for this very important milestone for RefStack ... | 19:22 |
| Rockyg | We should add that bit of info to our docs | 19:23 |
| Rockyg | the use of oslo-config | 19:23 |
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| catherineD | Rockyg: +1 | 19:23 |
| dwalleck | Yeah, if folks standardize on oslo-config, it should make the process more straightforward I'd think | 19:23 |
| catherineD | I will keep non-tempest testing in the weekly agenda so we can discuss more ... meanwhile, let's give dwalleck: sometime to understand more on Tempest plugin | 19:25 |
| catherineD | ready for the next topic? | 19:26 |
| dwalleck | sounds good | 19:26 |
| sslypushenko__ | ec2-api project uses oslo-config, so it should be a problem | 19:26 |
| sslypushenko__ | go next | 19:26 |
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| catherineD | #topic Brainstorm on data models among vendor, user, key and result data | 19:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Brainstorm on data models among vendor, user, key and result data (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 19:26 | |
| catherineD | I feel like this is a topic that is best to be discussed with f-2-f ... but we can trial ... | 19:27 |
| sslypushenko__ | +1 for f-2-f | 19:27 |
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| dwalleck | sslypushenko__: ++ | 19:28 |
| sslypushenko__ | we will just waste a time now | 19:28 |
| Rockyg | ++ f2f | 19:28 |
| catherineD | so should I schedule a f2f before summit? | 19:28 |
| pvaneck | or save it for summit design sessions | 19:28 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko__: is not attending summit ... | 19:29 |
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| catherineD | how about dwalleck: ? will you be attending the summit? | 19:29 |
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| dwalleck | catherineD: Sam and I will be there | 19:29 |
| catherineD | dwalleck: that is great .... | 19:29 |
| sslypushenko__ | We can do fist try this or maybe next week | 19:29 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko__: +1 | 19:29 |
| catherineD | we have 1/2 hour left for today ... | 19:30 |
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| catherineD | even that we are not efficient ... I think at least we can raise the areas of concern ... | 19:30 |
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| catherineD | so final Data model discuss should be at the summit but we can start preping for it now .... at the summit we just finalize the agreement ... | 19:31 |
| sslypushenko__ | I think it should be a really big problem, maybe 1-hour talk will be enough | 19:31 |
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| sslypushenko__ | catherineD +1 | 19:32 |
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| catherineD | Here is what we will do ... discuss now for 1/2 hour ... I will schedule a one hour call next week ... and more if needed ... finalize design decision at the summit .. | 19:33 |
| catherineD | sound alright to everyone? | 19:33 |
| dwalleck | Sure | 19:33 |
| pvaneck | sure. what are the current areas of concern | 19:33 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko__: and this time It will be hangout call :-) | 19:33 |
| sslypushenko__ | If we don't have anything else for discussion for today | 19:33 |
| catherineD | on the agenda ... this brainstorm and open discussion ... | 19:34 |
| sslypushenko__ | ok... lets go) | 19:35 |
| catherineD | do any one have any open discussion that we should do before we dive into the data model discussion? | 19:35 |
| catherineD | ok ... | 19:35 |
| catherineD | the #1 concern I have now is .. with anonymois data uploading .. junk data are being send to refstack.net ... and we can not clean up that data ... | 19:36 |
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| catherineD | #link Empty test data uploaded to refstack.net https://bugs.launchpad.net/refstack/+bug/1498112 | 19:36 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1498112 in refstack "RefStack should check for empty test results " [Undecided,New] | 19:36 |
| sslypushenko__ | And that is why it should be prohibited | 19:37 |
| dwalleck | Is a primary concern to still allow the uploading of anonymous data? | 19:37 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko__: +1 | 19:37 |
| catherineD | dwalleck: the primary concern is malicious attack to refstack.net (so far it is not) if we keep allowing anonymous data updalod .... | 19:38 |
| dwalleck | Or I guess the question is, would it give some people hesitation to upload their results if they had to be registered? | 19:39 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: can rate-limiting stop that? | 19:39 |
| hogepodge | dwalleck: I think it could be a barrier | 19:39 |
| catherineD | but there is contradicted interests that with anaonymous data upload we could enable more participation to upload data ... | 19:39 |
| dwalleck | Hmm, I see. Maybe a policy of keeping the last x days or numbers of anonymous results and a background process to keep things tidy? | 19:39 |
| hogepodge | some vendors have reported test results with refstack, so those uploads need to stick around | 19:40 |
| catherineD | dwalleck: actually the more data we have the better it is for statistical analysis ... | 19:41 |
| hogepodge | I could provide a list of which ones | 19:41 |
| pvaneck | we need an administrative panel so at least admin users can perform cleanup. I believe this has been brought up before. | 19:41 |
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| catherineD | hogepodge: +1 that is why once the data is uploaded anonymously we have no ways to know which data shoudl be removed ... | 19:41 |
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| catherineD | hogepodge: I am thinking if we have the data model clean up ... | 19:42 |
| sslypushenko__ | hogepodge These vendors can upload signed data | 19:42 |
| catherineD | user shoud upload data with authorization ... they still can decide which data to share to the communicty | 19:42 |
| sslypushenko__ | Signing results don't require to have an account | 19:43 |
| dwalleck | catherineD: That's a very reasonable point | 19:43 |
| hogepodge | sslypushenko__: we've tracked those results through their ids. if we want them to reupload refstack-client needs an offline option where previously run results can be sent again | 19:43 |
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| hogepodge | sslypushenko__: which is a needed feature anyway | 19:43 |
| catherineD | The concern with signed data right now is it is tight to the key ... we need to resolve key to user to vendor relationship | 19:43 |
| sslypushenko__ | hogepodge agreed | 19:44 |
| Rockyg | ++ | 19:44 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: being able to upload earlier data could be something that we can provide | 19:44 |
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| sslypushenko__ | catherineD Why not? | 19:45 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko__: I agee that refstack-client can provide option to upload previous data ... is the the question? | 19:46 |
| sslypushenko__ | I agreed with hogepodge that anonymous results can be reuploaded with signature | 19:46 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko__: I also agree ... | 19:46 |
| catherineD | does that mean that disable anonymous upload would be something that we can consider? | 19:47 |
| Rockyg | Please? | 19:48 |
| dwalleck | If anyone could register, then I don't see a need for anonymous upload | 19:48 |
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| catherineD | does everyone agree that RefStack should disable anonymous upload? | 19:49 |
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| pvaneck | so you want every results set to be tied to an openstackid account going forward? | 19:49 |
| Rockyg | Vote | 19:49 |
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| Rockyg | and +1 | 19:49 |
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| sslypushenko__ | catherineD +1 | 19:50 |
| catherineD | #startvore RefStack to disable anonymous data upload? yes, no | 19:51 |
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| catherineD | #startvote Refstack to disable anonymous data upload? yes, no | 19:51 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Refstack to disable anonymous data upload? Valid vote options are yes, no. | 19:51 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 19:51 |
| catherineD | #vote yes | 19:51 |
| dwalleck | #vote yes | 19:51 |
| Rockyg | #vote yes | 19:52 |
| pvaneck | #vote yes | 19:52 |
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| catherineD | hogepodge: sslypushenko__: pls vote | 19:52 |
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| sslypushenko__ | #vote yes | 19:53 |
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| pvaneck | majority yes in any case | 19:54 |
| catherineD | #endvote | 19:54 |
| openstack | Voted on "Refstack to disable anonymous data upload?" Results are | 19:55 |
| openstack | yes (5): Rockyg, catherineD, sslypushenko__, pvaneck, dwalleck | 19:55 |
| catherineD | #agreed RefStack to work on plane to disable anonymous data upload | 19:55 |
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| catherineD | thank you everyone! I think we could protect our site better this way ... | 19:56 |
| Rockyg | agreed | 19:56 |
| pvaneck | so for implementation, all results uploaded need to be passed in with a private key, with the corresponding public key already on the refstack server | 19:56 |
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| catherineD | a few more things we need to consider before disable the anonymous upload ... that is why we need a plan | 19:56 |
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| catherineD | perhaps we need an one hour call after all ... | 19:57 |
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| catherineD | pls tell me on #refstack the best time for you .... | 19:57 |
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| catherineD | pvaneck: yea we need to carefully design and plan the implementation | 19:57 |
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| catherineD | let me end this meeting ... thank you all!!!! | 19:58 |
| catherineD | #endmeeting | 19:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 21 19:58:24 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-09-21-19.00.html | 19:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-09-21-19.00.txt | 19:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-09-21-19.00.log.html | 19:58 |
| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 19:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 21 19:58:59 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:58 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 19:59 |
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| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 19:59 |
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| igueths | o/ | 19:59 |
| jkf | Present | 19:59 |
| silos | \o/ | 19:59 |
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| elmiko | o/ | 19:59 |
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| rellerreller | o/ | 20:00 |
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| redrobot | As usual today's agenda can be found here: | 20:01 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican | 20:01 |
| redrobot | not a whole lot of barbicaneers here today :( | 20:01 |
| dave-mccowan | o/ | 20:01 |
| redrobot | ok, let's get it started | 20:01 |
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| redrobot | #topic Action Items from last meeting | 20:02 |
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| redrobot | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-09-14-20.00.html | 20:02 |
| arunkant | o/ | 20:02 |
| redrobot | no updates here.... | 20:02 |
| * redrobot sucks at action items | 20:02 | |
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| redrobot | #action redrobot to make diagrams of federation workflows discussed with Joe | 20:02 |
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| redrobot | #action edrobot to ask release managers about Barbican in Kilo release notes | 20:02 |
| redrobot | #undo | 20:02 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Action object at 0x9cc1050> | 20:02 |
| redrobot | #action redrobot to ask release managers about Barbican in Kilo release notes | 20:02 |
| elmiko | ed robot, who's that guy? | 20:02 |
| kfarr | o/ | 20:02 |
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| redrobot | elmiko lol | 20:03 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on to the actual topics for this meeting | 20:03 |
| redrobot | arunkant ping? | 20:03 |
| arunkant | yes..jsut added item regarding barbicanclient failures at neutron gate | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | arunkant just making sure you were online | 20:04 |
| redrobot | #topic Barbicanclient failures on neutron test gate | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | arunkant you have the floor | 20:04 |
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| arunkant | Its failing for all recent barbicanclient builds..so was wondering how to investigate this further. | 20:05 |
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| arunkant | I see there is a recent check added in devstack around related error area. But not sure how to identify what's needed to change for barbican. | 20:05 |
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| arunkant | Change in devstack: https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack/commit/c71973eb04d05c2497eb930c4e1b59dcaf983085 | 20:06 |
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| redrobot | arunkant I haven't looked into it... | 20:07 |
| arunkant | Is there anybody in team who has expertise in this area ? | 20:07 |
| redrobot | has anyone else looked at this failing gate? | 20:07 |
| diazjf | redrobot, I've taken a look | 20:07 |
| redrobot | diazjf anything interesting? | 20:07 |
| diazjf | http://logs.openstack.org/43/208343/15/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-src-python-barbicanclient/bb736f2/logs/devstacklog.txt.gz | 20:07 |
| diazjf | seems as though the error is [ERROR] /opt/stack/new/devstack/inc/python:178 The following LIBS_FROM_GIT were not installed correct: python-barbicanclient | 20:08 |
| diazjf | I was thinking it ,maybe due to this change | 20:08 |
| diazjf | https://github.com/openstack/barbican/commit/803a8a0256724876b98fceef24ec7cd4c2eb58a8 | 20:08 |
| diazjf | but lets ask rm_work | 20:08 |
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| arunkant | diazjf ..Looked into this futher..and there is a new check added in devstack..may be we need to add something in that regard on barbican devstack side | 20:09 |
| redrobot | I may have some time to look into it after we get RC1 shipped | 20:09 |
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| redrobot | I would suggest asking for help in infra, or maybe with the neutron folks. | 20:09 |
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| arunkant | Would be quicker if in house expert can look into this | 20:10 |
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| alee | o/ | 20:11 |
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| arunkant | redrobot, so far there is no indication that issue is related to neutron code base. | 20:12 |
| redrobot | arunkant not sure we have a devstack expert among us... rm_work would probably be the closest, but he was mostly interested in getting the lbass gate running | 20:12 |
| arunkant | redrobot: okay will ping him and then in parallel will try to find other help | 20:13 |
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| redrobot | awesome, thanks for taking point on this arunkant | 20:13 |
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| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:13 |
| redrobot | #topic liberty-rc1 | 20:14 |
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| redrobot | We're putting hte polish on the CAs feature | 20:14 |
| redrobot | and by we I mean mostly dave-mccowan and alee :) | 20:14 |
| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican_cas_todo_list | 20:14 |
| redrobot | is being used to track the pending work. | 20:14 |
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| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225387/ | 20:15 |
| redrobot | ^^ could use some reviews | 20:15 |
| edtubill | o/ | 20:15 |
| alee | redrobot, stillwaiting for you to +2/W https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225387/' | 20:15 |
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| alee | redrobot, it would have been +2'ed by Oz but he's probably asleep. | 20:16 |
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| alee | see his last comment | 20:16 |
| redrobot | alee I had a question about the verbs-in-routes for the urls | 20:16 |
| woodster_ | o/ | 20:16 |
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| lisaclark1 | o/ | 20:16 |
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| redrobot | mostly curious why we're not using more restful POST / DELETE type of requests instead of add-xxx and remove-xxx | 20:17 |
| elmiko | +1 | 20:17 |
| alee | redrobot, you mean the "add-to-project" ? | 20:17 |
| alee | for instance | 20:17 |
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| alee | what we're doing gere is creating a new association between two resources -- the project and the ca | 20:18 |
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| alee | not creating a new resource | 20:18 |
| redrobot | arguably the association is the new resource? | 20:19 |
| redrobot | it just seems weird to me. | 20:20 |
| redrobot | but I don't have any better suggestions right now :-\ | 20:20 |
| alee | arguably yes - redrobot this was agreeed upon a long time ago in the bp review | 20:20 |
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| alee | redrobot, in kilo as I recall corectly | 20:20 |
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| elmiko | if the new associations are resources, meaning they are separate entities, then POST seems appropriate | 20:21 |
| alee | so its been around for awhile | 20:21 |
| alee | elmiko, redrobot I'm not opposed to changing this - but maybe not right before rc1? this seems like a great v2 thing | 20:21 |
| elmiko | but, if the associations are just updates to an existing resource then the more restful approach would be to PUT an updated version of the resource | 20:21 |
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| redrobot | yeah... definitely something to throw on the list for v2 | 20:22 |
| elmiko | alee: fair, sorry to derail | 20:22 |
| redrobot | I was mostly curious... definitely not wanting to hold up RC1 | 20:23 |
| alee | elmiko, redrobot the standard approach would be to say expose /v1/proect-cas | 20:23 |
| alee | and have that as a separate resource. | 20:23 |
| alee | and then yes - the standard methods would apply | 20:23 |
| redrobot | alee dave-mccowan besides this CR, what other CRs are needed before we're ready to cut RC1 ? | 20:23 |
| dave-mccowan | it's a straight-forward change, limited to the controller. the only question is how it impacts schedule. | 20:23 |
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| dave-mccowan | this CR is hot off the press: https://review.openstack.org/226039 | 20:24 |
| alee | redrobot, dave-mccowan again - I'd just as soon not try to redesign the api just before rc1 | 20:24 |
| redrobot | alee +1 | 20:24 |
| dave-mccowan | that CR covers to-dos # 1, 8, and 9 I think. | 20:25 |
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| alee | redrobot, so I'm working on CRs for issues 2 and 3 | 20:25 |
| alee | and dave-mccowan is working on a patch for issue 5 | 20:26 |
| dave-mccowan | that leave to-do #5, which I'll do next. | 20:26 |
| alee | I hope to get a CR out for 2 tonight | 20:26 |
| alee | and maybe 3 by tomorrow EOD | 20:26 |
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| alee | and then we just need reviews .. hint, hint, nudge, nudge . | 20:27 |
| dave-mccowan | i had a question on a use case: is there a need for a user to know his default CA? this is used when an order goes out for cert and no CA is specified. The logic is 1) project-preferred, 2) global preferred, 3) earliest created. Barbican knows this, but the average user may not. do we need a GET /cas/default ? | 20:27 |
| redrobot | why not require a CA every time? | 20:28 |
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| redrobot | or is the feature that the user does not need to know the CA? | 20:28 |
| alee | right | 20:29 |
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| alee | the project admin can choose a given ca for the users in the project | 20:29 |
| alee | and can change those on the fly | 20:29 |
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| alee | dave-mccowan, I need to think a little about that and how best to do it . lets take this offline perhaps? | 20:30 |
| redrobot | there's no more topics on the agenda | 20:30 |
| redrobot | we can continue here | 20:30 |
| alee | oh ok .. | 20:31 |
| alee | well in that case, ... | 20:31 |
| redrobot | are users still allowed to use the non-preferred CAs? | 20:31 |
| redrobot | ie, if my project admin sets Symantec as preferred for my project, does that force me to use only symantec? | 20:31 |
| alee | redrobot, it depends on what the project admin has set up but yes | 20:31 |
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| alee | redrobot, if your project admin selects symantec and only symantec for your project, then you can only use symantec | 20:32 |
| redrobot | maybe we don't need a new route, just an entry in the GET /cas response that shows which is preferred for my project? | 20:32 |
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| alee | redrobot, if they select symanatec and dogtag as your project cas, then one will be preferred - but you can choose | 20:33 |
| alee | preferred means - if ca_ref not preovided , thats the ca that will be used | 20:33 |
| dave-mccowan | i think the user will need access to his effective default CA, so he can read the cacert. adding GET /cas/default could be one way. changing behavior of /cas/preferred is another way. | 20:33 |
| dave-mccowan | changing out of GET /ca/ might be bad. is magnum already coding to the current spec? | 20:34 |
| redrobot | it could just be an additional attribute in that response | 20:34 |
| redrobot | "preferred_ca_ref": "http:///something..." | 20:35 |
| alee | dave-mccowan, originally I did think that GET /preferred was the way to get the preferred CA | 20:35 |
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| alee | and I 'm not sure thats not still not a bad idea | 20:35 |
| * redrobot 's head explodes from too many negatives | 20:36 | |
| dave-mccowan | alee that's what i had assumed too. but the code isn't working that way. i can fix the code to match that. | 20:36 |
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| alee | on the other had, GET /cas/preferred could also be interpreted as the call usied by the project admin to see which of the project cas was defined as preferred | 20:36 |
| alee | and in that interpretation, would be restricted to project admins | 20:37 |
| redrobot | I still think this should all be information that is conveyed by just issuing a GET to /cas | 20:37 |
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| dave-mccowan | alee /v3/ should have two root resources: /cas/ and /project-cas/ to avoid that confusion. | 20:38 |
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| alee | dave-mccowan, right - the previuos conversation was timely .. | 20:39 |
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| alee | dave-mccowan, and maybe thats how we fix it in v2 | 20:40 |
| alee | dave-mccowan, redrobot question is what to do now .. | 20:40 |
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| woodster_ | all we need is a way for regular users to see the preferred CA? | 20:41 |
| alee | yeah | 20:41 |
| redrobot | I still think that GET /cas could include the information | 20:42 |
| redrobot | in a backwards compatible way | 20:42 |
| alee | redrobot, GET /cas right now returns a list of ca_refs | 20:42 |
| alee | we'd have to change it to include ca_refs + attributes | 20:43 |
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| redrobot | what does the response look like? | 20:43 |
| redrobot | { cas: [ref1, ref2, ref3] } ? | 20:43 |
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| alee | dave-mccowan, redrobot , woodster_ on the other hand -- if we were to change GET /cas/preferred to provide whatever the default is, that still would work for both project admin and regular user | 20:44 |
| jhfeng | can just the 1st one be the preferred one ? | 20:44 |
| dave-mccowan | GET /cas/ already has /all, /preferred, and /global-preferred. If we're consistent with that design, we should add /default. | 20:44 |
| redrobot | what is a default CA? | 20:44 |
| redrobot | how is it different from a preferred CA? | 20:45 |
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| dave-mccowan | default is a combination of project preferred, global preferred, and earliest created... in that priority order. | 20:45 |
| alee | dave-mccowan, I think we can use GET /preferred and just make it get the default | 20:45 |
| * redrobot feels like he doesn't know enough about this api to contribute to this conversation | 20:45 | |
| * redrobot is going to contribute anyway | 20:45 | |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan seems confusing to me to add a new term to the api | 20:46 |
| dave-mccowan | alee the only issue with that is admin vs. non-admin behavior | 20:46 |
| alee | dave-mccowan, if a project ca is defined, this will be the same in any case | 20:46 |
| alee | dave-mccowan, we can be more specific in v2 -- if a project ca is defined, this will end up being thee preferred ca | 20:47 |
| alee | redrobot, so the idea is that a project admin can define some cas to be project cas. | 20:47 |
| alee | and one of those project cas to be the preferred ca | 20:48 |
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| alee | if he has done so, then if a request comes in without a ca_id, then the preferred ca is selected | 20:48 |
| redrobot | preferred for the project, right? and the admin is part of the project, so why does the admin call have to be different? | 20:48 |
| alee | on the other hand, if the project admin has not defined any project cas .. | 20:49 |
| alee | then there is no project admin defined default ca | 20:49 |
| redrobot | so does a request fail in that case? | 20:49 |
| alee | then if a request without a ca_id comes in, it will get either a globally defined default ca | 20:50 |
| alee | or the first configured ca | 20:50 |
| redrobot | first configured CA? | 20:50 |
| alee | yeah - just like we get the first plugin for secret store ... | 20:50 |
| alee | first ca returned for first ca plugin | 20:51 |
| redrobot | so, there will always be an effective preferred, even if none has been set? | 20:51 |
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| alee | right | 20:51 |
| dave-mccowan | if there is no project preferred CA defined, but there is a global-preferred ca defined: GET /preferred/ : project admin wants 404, to know he has to define one. user wants to know his default CA, so he can get the cacert. | 20:51 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan I would argue that a 404 is not necessary | 20:52 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan the admin can see the effective peferred, and set another one if that one is not the intended one | 20:52 |
| dave-mccowan | i can live with that | 20:53 |
| alee | solf | 20:54 |
| alee | sold | 20:54 |
| redrobot | with a few minutes left in the meeting even | 20:54 |
| * dave-mccowan add to-do #10 to etherpad and assigned self | 20:54 | |
| alee | redrobot, just enough time for you to +2/W that CR | 20:54 |
| redrobot | alee lol, I'm half way through the review... got interrupted by this meeting :) | 20:54 |
| woodster_ | So admin will see global preferred as a minimum right? | 20:55 |
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| redrobot | woodster_ GET /cas/preferred will always return a CA | 20:55 |
| alee | woodster_, if defined | 20:55 |
| alee | if not , the first configured | 20:55 |
| dave-mccowan | at a minimum, admin will see the first create CA | 20:55 |
| dave-mccowan | 404 only if there are no CAs at all | 20:55 |
| dave-mccowan | hmmm.... can there be a project without access to any CAs, if there are CAs? | 20:56 |
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| alee | dave-mccowan, no - but having access and having cert requests being approved are two different things entirely | 20:57 |
| dave-mccowan | redrobot i'll add the agreed change to the next CR | 20:57 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan sounds good | 20:57 |
| alee | dave-mccowan, but having a project with no cas is an interesting idea | 20:58 |
| redrobot | and that's all we have time for this week | 20:58 |
| redrobot | alee interesting.... for mitaka! :) | 20:58 |
| alee | yes | 20:58 |
| redrobot | thanks everyone! | 20:58 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 21 20:58:41 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:58 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-09-21-19.58.txt | 20:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-09-21-19.58.log.html | 20:58 |
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