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| annp | Hi | 00:00 |
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| SridarK | Hi annp and all | 00:00 |
| sc68cal | hello all | 00:00 |
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| mickeys | Hi | 00:00 |
| sc68cal | #startmeeting networking_fwaas | 00:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 1 00:01:01 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_fwaas' | 00:01 |
| sc68cal | #chair SridarK xgerman | 00:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SridarK sc68cal xgerman | 00:01 |
| xgerman | o/ | 00:01 |
| sc68cal | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/FWaaS Agenda | 00:01 |
| hoangcx | Hi SridarK and all | 00:01 |
| hoangcx | Hi sc68cal :-) | 00:01 |
| sc68cal | #topic recap action items from last meeting | 00:01 |
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| sc68cal | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-01-07-18.30.html Action items | 00:02 |
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| sc68cal | #undo | 00:02 |
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| sc68cal | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-09-23-18.31.html Action items | 00:02 |
| sc68cal | SridarK: how goes https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1496244 ? | 00:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1496244 in neutron "rule change via GUI/CLI puts FW in ERROR mode" [Undecided,New] | 00:03 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: ok looks like the submitter is in a older version of stable/kilo | 00:03 |
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| SridarK | he needs to get on the next release which i think should happen soon as the fix in only early Sep | 00:04 |
| SridarK | i have updated the bug with details | 00:04 |
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| sc68cal | SridarK: ok. I'll keep an action item for next week to wait for reporter to respond | 00:04 |
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| SridarK | once he clarifies we can Dup the bug | 00:04 |
| SridarK | to the original fix | 00:05 |
| SridarK | sounds good sc68cal | 00:05 |
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| xgerman | +1 | 00:05 |
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| sc68cal | #action SridarK see if original reporter responds to https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1496244 | 00:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1496244 in neutron "rule change via GUI/CLI puts FW in ERROR mode" [Undecided,New] | 00:06 |
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| sc68cal | As for me - I made the bug to track L3 agent decoupling at https://launchpad.net/bugs/1500960 | 00:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1500960 in neutron "Decouple FwaaS from L3 Agent" [Undecided,New] | 00:06 |
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| SridarK | sc68cal: +1 we can track using that | 00:06 |
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| sc68cal | vishwanathj: Thanks for trying to reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1491637 in your devstack | 00:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1491637 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "Error when adding a new Firewall Rule" [Undecided,Fix released] - Assigned to Rob Cresswell (robcresswell) | 00:07 |
| bharathm | o/ | 00:08 |
| sc68cal | #topic bugs | 00:08 |
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| sc68cal | xgerman: you added a bug to the agenda, want to discuss? | 00:08 |
| xgerman | sure | 00:08 |
| xgerman | it seems we don’t enforce quotas | 00:08 |
| xgerman | and I found that old bug which had a fix and then didn’t and wanted to see if we agree if it’s minor and if we actually want quotas... | 00:09 |
| sc68cal | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1399280 Quota bug | 00:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1399280 in neutron "FWaaS extension doesn't register its quota resources" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Ralf Haferkamp (rhafer) | 00:10 |
| xgerman | 1) do we want quotas? | 00:10 |
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| sc68cal | I think it's reasonable | 00:11 |
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| xgerman | well, then we should raise the level to Major ;-) | 00:11 |
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| sc68cal | My main concern is that without quotas we'd fill up a physical device with rules, create DOS situations | 00:12 |
| xgerman | yeah, same here | 00:12 |
| sc68cal | hopefully we can get armax to bump https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1399280 to a higher importance. xgerman suggests Major | 00:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1399280 in neutron "FWaaS extension doesn't register its quota resources" [Low,In progress] | 00:13 |
| * armax looks | 00:13 | |
| xgerman | hail the new PTL | 00:13 |
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| sc68cal | don't know if it's PTL only that can assign priority. Basically I can't. :( | 00:13 |
| * xgerman bows | 00:13 | |
| sc68cal | so when in doubt, go crying to armax | 00:13 |
| xgerman | yeah, I can’t neither | 00:13 |
| SridarK | :-) | 00:13 |
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| armax | sc68cal: I can fix that | 00:13 |
| armax | if you want the privilege | 00:14 |
| xgerman | NICE | 00:14 |
| armax | xgerman: you too? | 00:14 |
| sc68cal | ++ | 00:14 |
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| xgerman | sure - I love power | 00:14 |
| SridarK | with privelege come responsibility ;-) | 00:14 |
| xgerman | kidding | 00:14 |
| armax | SridarK: that’s riiiiight!!! | 00:14 |
| SridarK | i can see armax volunteering somebody for a bug scrub ;-) | 00:15 |
| * sc68cal already has it on his list for things that need to be done | 00:15 | |
| armax | sc68cal, xgerman your LP handle? | 00:15 |
| xgerman | well, we will each grab a cheesesteak and get on it | 00:15 |
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| sc68cal | :) | 00:15 |
| sc68cal | armax: scollins | 00:16 |
| xgerman | german-eichberger | 00:16 |
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| * sc68cal needs to fix that | 00:16 | |
| armax | sc68cal: see if you can bump up the priority | 00:16 |
| armax | xgerman: ditto | 00:16 |
| sc68cal | armax: ACK. worked | 00:16 |
| armax | sc68cal: sweet | 00:16 |
| xgerman | same here — awesome!! | 00:16 |
| armax | see? crying helps :) | 00:16 |
| sc68cal | :) | 00:17 |
| xgerman | we will see how it looks like at the end of your tenure ;-) | 00:17 |
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| armax | I can come and cry to you too though, right? | 00:17 |
| SridarK | :-) | 00:17 |
| sc68cal | armax: course :) | 00:17 |
| armax | nice | 00:17 |
| xgerman | armax absolutely | 00:17 |
| armax | ok | 00:17 |
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| sc68cal | anyway I also changed the state back to triaged, and cleared the assignee | 00:18 |
| sc68cal | since it's been 9 months since it's had activity | 00:18 |
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| vishwanathj | oh, not aware that the alternate neutron-fwaas meeting was at this time | 00:18 |
| sc68cal | xgerman: is the next step to track down the abandoned patch set, and see if it can be resurrected? | 00:20 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: +1, so xgerman: the target is for M ? | 00:20 |
| xgerman | yeah, maybe backports | 00:20 |
| SridarK | xgerman: and we can backport | 00:20 |
| xgerman | yep | 00:20 |
| sc68cal | xgerman: mind if I set that as an action item for you, for next week? | 00:21 |
| xgerman | yep, I will look into it | 00:21 |
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| sc68cal | #action xgerman investigate https://review.openstack.org/139124 and report back | 00:21 |
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| sc68cal | I guess one I can bring to the table is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1497066 | 00:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1497066 in neutron "If IP version is not specified while creating Firewall Rule, then it should populate it based on the Source and Destination IP" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee) | 00:22 |
| reedip | Yes, I wanted to discuss this as well | 00:23 |
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| reedip | :) | 00:23 |
| sc68cal | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/228369/ discussion of fix for 1497066 | 00:23 |
| sc68cal | The issue is right now fwaas doesn't validate ip_version and src and destination, to ensure they both match ip_version | 00:24 |
| sc68cal | my thought is, that's an API validation problem and we should report an error back to the user | 00:24 |
| sc68cal | hence, marking the bug as a dup of https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1487599 | 00:25 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1487599 in neutron "fwaas - ip_version and IP address conflicts are not raised" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Sean M. Collins (scollins) | 00:25 |
| xgerman | yeah, we should send feedback | 00:26 |
| reedip | I agree with sc68cal, but on the point that if the user provides an ip_version and source/destination IP version do not match the IP version provided by user, then we should report an error | 00:26 |
| xgerman | BUT if we want to redesign the API does it make sense to fix bugs in the old one | 00:26 |
| badveli | xgerman:+1 | 00:26 |
| reedip | if the user does not provide an ip_version argument, then it should be populated based on the source/destination IP | 00:26 |
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| SridarK | reedip: this does seem a minor variation of 1487599 | 00:26 |
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| reedip | SridarK : I think both the issues make a single bug | 00:27 |
| reedip | they are part of a single bug related to the ip_version, and not exact duplicates. | 00:27 |
| SridarK | reedip: can we not have this covered in the earlier patch ? | 00:27 |
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| reedip | SridarK: After verifying the patch and yesterday's discussion with sc68cal, I agree with your point | 00:28 |
| SridarK | ok makes sense as it is an api validation as sc68cal: points out | 00:28 |
| sc68cal | I think probably reedip has highlighted something about the neutron APIs - that really is ip_version required as an attribute | 00:28 |
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| sc68cal | when we have src and destination, and can infer the ip_version based on the addresses (barring any corner cases) | 00:29 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: agree, we may have a scenario to say we are v4 but src and dst are not specified (any, any) | 00:30 |
| reedip | SridarK: But during my discussion with sc68cal, what I was not able to understand was the importance of ip_version for the user. | 00:30 |
| sc68cal | SridarK: ah. yep. that's a good point. | 00:31 |
| SridarK | reedip: something like "Block all v4 traffic to port 80" | 00:31 |
| xgerman | isn’t that more like black any ipv4 address from getting to this port? | 00:32 |
| reedip | SridarK: Means ip_version and source/destination IP can be mutually exclusive? | 00:32 |
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| xgerman | so I am not sure if that is explicitly needed if we can model a wildcard for all ipv4 addresses | 00:32 |
| reedip | I mean if IP_version is v4 and port is 80, means block all traffic to port 80 | 00:32 |
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| sc68cal | reedip: problem is if we have a rule that is src= any and dst = any, we can't figure out the ip_version | 00:33 |
| SridarK | reedip: xgerman: yes that could be an intended objective | 00:33 |
| sc68cal | although we could construe "any" to mean both ipv4 and ipv6 addresses | 00:34 |
| SridarK | reedip: well i think all that means is that it will go to v4 iptables | 00:34 |
| reedip | sc68cal : but then it means you want to block ALL traffic, right? | 00:34 |
| sc68cal | reedip: no, it could be an ALLOW rule. | 00:34 |
| xgerman | ore REJECT | 00:34 |
| sc68cal | but then we're now making implicit behaviors rather than explicit. | 00:34 |
| sc68cal | people would have to now know, that when they say "ANY" - that now means ipv4 and ipv6 both | 00:34 |
| xgerman | yeah, that might get confusing | 00:35 |
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| sc68cal | seems like we may be stuck with ip_version. | 00:35 |
| reedip | sc68cal : Exactly. if src and dest address is not specified, it means the Firewall rule should operate on all IPv4 and IPv6 addresses | 00:35 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: yes | 00:35 |
| xgerman | reedip or we have an error | 00:35 |
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| xgerman | I am still in the camp to make the user use wildcards in the ip field for that | 00:36 |
| SridarK | reedip: then how do we specify a rule for only v4 traffic | 00:36 |
| reedip | specify ip_version as 4 specifically | 00:36 |
| reedip | SridarK: instead of a default 4 value | 00:36 |
| sc68cal | anyway, I want to try and timebox this discussion. I think we can probably take this to the ML for further discussion. I don't want my bikeshed to take up time, I know the APAC people like hoangcx have been very patient :) | 00:37 |
| SridarK | reedip: ok i see ur point - on the default | 00:37 |
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| sc68cal | but we should keep thinking about this, it's a knotty issue | 00:37 |
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| SridarK | sc68cal: agree, reedip: lets discuss on the bug | 00:37 |
| reedip | sc68cal , SridarK, :I agree, we can take it up again in the mailing list | 00:37 |
| SridarK | reedip: or on the bug in LP itself | 00:38 |
| reedip | sridark: on LP would be better | 00:38 |
| SridarK | ok lets move on | 00:38 |
| reedip | otherwise I think this issue will take a long time for others | 00:38 |
| xgerman | and I was just getting my brush... | 00:38 |
| sc68cal | any other bugs that we want to discuss? I want to try and breeeze through bps so we can get to open discussion | 00:39 |
| sc68cal | xgerman: :) | 00:39 |
| SridarK | :-) | 00:39 |
| sc68cal | #topic blueprints | 00:39 |
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| sc68cal | I dropped the ball by not making a action item for myself for actually combining the trello and our etherpad | 00:40 |
| sc68cal | So, in the meantime, make sure you have your stuff added to the etherpad | 00:40 |
| badveli | ok | 00:41 |
| sc68cal | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-fwaas-roadmap-mitaka-summit Mitaka roadmap | 00:41 |
| xgerman | #action sc68cal combine troll with etherpad | 00:41 |
| sc68cal | xgerman: :) | 00:41 |
| SridarK | badveli: i think u want to move on service group | 00:41 |
| SridarK | xgerman: feels the power today ;-) | 00:41 |
| badveli | yes | 00:41 |
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| badveli | its already in ether pad | 00:42 |
| badveli | Sridark we had a blue print for E-West case should we revive that | 00:42 |
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| SridarK | badveli: we should combine that with mickeys: etherpad | 00:43 |
| xgerman | +1 | 00:43 |
| mickeys | Don't we have to converge on how we want to solve east/west before submitting a blueprint? | 00:43 |
| hoangcx | +1 | 00:43 |
| mickeys | RFE: Sure we can go ahead | 00:43 |
| badveli | ok thanks | 00:44 |
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| sc68cal | yeah I just updated the etherpad to make a new 2.1 point for solving east west api semantics | 00:44 |
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| sc68cal | I think we kind of know what we need to do, I guess we just need face 2 face time at summit to hash out how to | 00:45 |
| mickeys | I don't know if the DVR team will be willing to make major changes. If not, it is not obvious to me which way to go. | 00:46 |
| SridarK | on this note, mickeys: , badveli: Swami may be in the bay area next week - if we want to get some f2f for discussions | 00:46 |
| mickeys | I am probably out on Monday and Tuesday, should be OK the rest of the week | 00:46 |
| SridarK | will keep u posted, if we can do a discussion we can summarize for remote folks | 00:47 |
| sc68cal | SridarK: awesome | 00:47 |
| sc68cal | based on the discussions at the QA summit, DVR needs some care and feeding on many fronts | 00:47 |
| sc68cal | DVR needs to work with advanced services, and also be stable. So, I think as long as we are constructive and willing to help with the DVR code we should be OK | 00:48 |
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| sc68cal | going to quickly move to open discussion and let others talk | 00:48 |
| sc68cal | #topic open discussion | 00:48 |
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| sc68cal | hoangcx: good morning! have anything you want to talk about? | 00:49 |
| hoangcx | sc68cal: Yeah. Logging API need to get more comments from you and all of us | 00:49 |
| hoangcx | sc68cal: especially in design for proposing API. | 00:50 |
| hoangcx | sc68cal: source code is still in progress and will upload for current design soon (maybe early next week) | 00:50 |
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| hoangcx | sc68cal: That's all from me. | 00:53 |
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| sc68cal | hoangcx: cool. I know regXboi and i have been reviewing when we have capacity | 00:53 |
| sc68cal | I appreicate your patience | 00:54 |
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| hoangcx | sc68cal regXboi: thank you all. :-) | 00:55 |
| mickeys | Just wondering if there is any feedback on the API proposal | 00:55 |
| sc68cal | mickeys: which? | 00:56 |
| xgerman | the ether pad one | 00:56 |
| mickeys | That I put in the API evolution etherpad | 00:56 |
| mickeys | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fwaas-api-evolution-spec | 00:56 |
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| xgerman | it’s a really good first step but I think we need to go further given all the stuff the community expects (see troll) FWaaS to do | 00:56 |
| SridarK | mickeys: WIP for me, juggling on multiple things | 00:56 |
| sc68cal | mickeys: ah, I haven't looked at it yet | 00:57 |
| sc68cal | mickeys: I'll review tomorrow | 00:57 |
| mickeys | sc68cal: I will check for comments tomorrow. Thanks. | 00:57 |
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| sc68cal | #action sc68cal review proposed API changes in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fwaas-api-evolution-spec | 00:58 |
| sc68cal | there. that'll keep me honest | 00:58 |
| xgerman | mickeys can you turn it into a spec so we can comment a bit better | 00:58 |
| xgerman | just throwing that out | 00:58 |
| mickeys | xgerman: You mean submit a blueprint? | 00:58 |
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| xgerman | that, too | 00:59 |
| xgerman | I was more thinking a rest file descrying the proposed API | 00:59 |
| xgerman | rst | 00:59 |
| SridarK | time check | 00:59 |
| sc68cal | yep | 00:59 |
| xgerman | yeah, let’s pick that up next week | 01:00 |
| xgerman | in the meantime ether pad ;-) | 01:00 |
| SridarK | xgerman: +1 | 01:00 |
| sc68cal | See everyone next week! | 01:00 |
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| sc68cal | #endmeeting | 01:00 |
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| SridarK | bye all | 01:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 1 01:00:26 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-10-01-00.01.html | 01:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-10-01-00.01.txt | 01:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-10-01-00.01.log.html | 01:00 |
| xgerman | o/ | 01:00 |
| badveli | bye | 01:00 |
| hoangcx | See you. Bye | 01:00 |
| reedip | Have a great one :) | 01:00 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 1 15:01:35 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| toabctl | hi | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:01 |
| bswartz | hello | 15:01 |
| ganso | hello | 15:01 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:01 |
| cfouts | hi | 15:01 |
| sbjorn | hi | 15:01 |
| markstur | hi | 15:01 |
| csaba | hi | 15:01 |
| Zhongjun | hello | 15:01 |
| vponomaryov | hello | 15:01 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:01 |
| u_glide | hello | 15:02 |
| xyang1 | Hi | 15:02 |
| bswartz | xyang1: ping me after the meeting I just remembered I had a question for you | 15:02 |
| xyang1 | Sure | 15:02 |
| bswartz | #topic Liberty RC2 status | 15:02 |
| bswartz | errr | 15:03 |
| bswartz | #topic Liberty RC2 status | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Liberty RC2 status (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:03 | |
| bswartz | so first of all thanks to those of you who have downloaded and tested RC1 and found bugs | 15:03 |
| bswartz | and also thanks for fixing bugs | 15:03 |
| bswartz | #link https://launchpad.net/manila/+milestone/liberty-rc2 | 15:03 |
| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/manila+branch:stable/liberty,n,z | 15:04 |
| bswartz | this is what we're targeted for RC2 | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | it includes all the bugs which were tagged and merged in master by yesterday | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | hopefully it will be released by later today | 15:05 |
| bswartz | I don't expect there to be an RC3 | 15:05 |
| bswartz | we would only do RC3 if we found a truly critical bug that had to be fixed before release | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | so for now we just have to struggle with out unstable gate and get the remaining backports merged | 15:06 |
| bswartz | s/out/our/ | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | fixing the unstable gate is top priority btw -- we're trying multiple solutions | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | but that's a different topic | 15:07 |
| bswartz | #topic Mitaka Design Summit | 15:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mitaka Design Summit (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:07 | |
| bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-mitaka-summit-topics | 15:08 |
| bswartz | This is a reminder to propose your topics | 15:08 |
| * bswartz kicks himself for not proposing his own yet | 15:08 | |
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| bswartz | we may not get another week before we have to decide on the agenda | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | so consider this your last chance to propose summit topics | 15:09 |
| cfouts | another working session should be DR? | 15:09 |
| bswartz | I'll propose mine today | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | cfouts: you mean DR 2.0? | 15:10 |
| cfouts | sure :) | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | yeah we will want to talk about that for sure | 15:10 |
| bswartz | the question will be whether it gets a whole session or if we cover it on Friday during the sprint | 15:11 |
| bswartz | any questions about design summit? | 15:11 |
| bswartz | quite a few people have let me know that they're coming so hopefully we'll have productive discussions | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | #topic Vendor driver docs | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | #link https://github.com/openstack/manila/blob/master/doc/source/devref/share_back_ends_feature_support_mapping.rst | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | csaba, chen12, markstur, diemt: ^ you haven't updated this yet | 15:13 |
| bswartz | unless there's a patchset in gerrit I haven't seen yet | 15:13 |
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| markstur | on my todo list | 15:14 |
| markstur | sorry | 15:14 |
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| bswartz | okay I'll be sending out nastygrams today :-) | 15:14 |
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| bswartz | some people are actually looking for a compatibility matrix for driver features and this is the table we're using | 15:14 |
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| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:15 | |
| bswartz | okay that's all I had today | 15:15 |
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| markstur | There is driver doc in the config-ref now too. It isn't completely done, but it is merged. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224362/ | 15:15 |
| bswartz | it's been busy with the RC | 15:15 |
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| cknight | bswartz: Chuck wanted to talk about client versioning. | 15:16 |
| cfouts | I'd like to talk about nova style microversion | 15:16 |
| markstur | Driver owners should look at their sections and enter bugs, fixes, etc. | 15:16 |
| bswartz | markstur: awesome! | 15:16 |
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| cfouts | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229142/ | 15:16 |
| markstur | I'm hoping doc folks will help fix, but everyone should check it out. | 15:16 |
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| bswartz | cfouts: go ahead | 15:16 |
| cfouts | I submitted the above patch as WIP | 15:17 |
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| xyang1 | markstur: nearly 8000 lines! | 15:17 |
| cfouts | the 'latest' version support was stripped out | 15:17 |
| cfouts | xyang1: that is mine :) I'll explain | 15:17 |
| xyang1 | Ok:) | 15:17 |
| cfouts | it fails back automatically to support non-microversion servers such as Kilo | 15:18 |
| cfouts | and loads the v1 client from the commit indicated in the message at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229142/ | 15:18 |
| cfouts | otherwise it loads the v2 client which is the latest client code | 15:18 |
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| cfouts | open to suggestions on how not to have that much duplicate code | 15:18 |
| cfouts | The diagram in the same commit message has been useful in discussing what versions the client will work with and when it will just bail | 15:19 |
| cknight | cfouts: The v1 code is frozen, and the duplication means we can cleanly remove it when it's time to do that. | 15:19 |
| cknight | cfouts: +1 for the ASCII art in the commit message | 15:20 |
| cfouts | yes, when the community decides we can deprecate and then remove v1 | 15:20 |
| bswartz | yeah nice ascii art | 15:20 |
| cfouts | the other major feature is using Nova's @wraps annotation on shell commands | 15:20 |
| bswartz | cfouts: was it not possible to avoid duplication of the client code? | 15:20 |
| cfouts | bswartz: there probably is a way to move more of the code into common | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | my only concern here, aside from the very large patch, is that if we end up with 2 copies of stuff we might need to fix bugs in 2 places until we finally remove v1 | 15:21 |
| cfouts | the layer below the multiple client.py and shell.py files | 15:21 |
| cfouts | okay, I'll see if there is a clean and maintainable way to do that. again would welcome suggestions. | 15:22 |
| bswartz | but this appears to do what I think is the right thing | 15:22 |
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| cfouts | would like feedback from community as well | 15:23 |
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| toabctl | what about droping v1 code in the client? people who need it can install older client version via pip | 15:23 |
| bswartz | the client should use the newest API version that both it and the server understands, and if the server is no mutually supported version, it should fail | 15:23 |
| u_glide | cfouts: why we cannot use different methods for different API when needed? | 15:24 |
| bswartz | toabctl: the downside to that approach is that it becomes very hard to write a client that works with both kilo and some future version of Manila that has dropped v1 | 15:24 |
| u_glide | u_glide: instead of copypasting all client and unit tests | 15:24 |
| cfouts | u_glide: @wraps annotation gives you the ability to have multiple commands. | 15:24 |
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| bswartz | the goal here was to allow clients applications to support a range of servers versions, especially if the particular APIs the client uses don't change | 15:25 |
| cfouts | u_glide: @wraps lets you supply the supported version and have multiple do_list commands for instance | 15:25 |
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| u_glide | cfouts: Why haven't use @wraps in your commit then? :) | 15:25 |
| toabctl | bswartz: true | 15:25 |
| cfouts | u_glide: I have some things to fix so I can push up an example :) | 15:26 |
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| cfouts | the only other thing to mention is that Cinder is looking into doing microversions and people are looking to similate what Nova did | 15:27 |
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| cfouts | so I think we are on the right track | 15:27 |
| cknight | cfouts: +1 | 15:27 |
| cknight | Anyone else disagree? | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | I should point out that one possible area of disagreement is about to what extent backwards-compatibility-breaking changes are allowed | 15:28 |
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| cknight | I like that fact that we can add new stuff to the client and not worry about breaking v1 support because the code is cleanly segregated. | 15:29 |
| bswartz | from what I understand, nova doesn't allow them, even if they're properly microversioned so they could be done safely | 15:29 |
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| bswartz | I feel that microversions should be used as a mechanism to make whatever improvements we feel are necessary to the API, trying to avoid breaking changes, but using microversions to break things safely where there is no other option | 15:30 |
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| u_glide | cknight: why don't use liberty version of manilaclient then? | 15:31 |
| u_glide | or kilo version for older backends | 15:31 |
| bswartz | u_glide: you can't install both versions at the same time | 15:31 |
| cknight | u_glide: It's then harder to build an application that uses old & new clients. | 15:31 |
| toabctl | bswartz: you can i venvs but then you need to switch depending on which version you want to use. | 15:32 |
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| toabctl | /i/in/ | 15:32 |
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| bswartz | yeah | 15:32 |
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| bswartz | I think it's better to have a single client that knows how to talk to both old and new things -- that's what nova has done | 15:33 |
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| toabctl | I agree. we should mark v1 as deprecated in the client but still have it there | 15:33 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: +1 | 15:33 |
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| u_glide | but novaclient doesn't have copypaste :) | 15:34 |
| cfouts | we can have the client display a deprecation warning as well | 15:34 |
| bswartz | yes the question that's in my mind is whether we can support both without duplicate code | 15:34 |
| cknight | u_glide: It wasn't quite copypaste. Chuck grabbed the v1 code from before the introduction of microversions. | 15:35 |
| cknight | bswartz: There is some code, like the HTTPClient, that can be moved to common. | 15:35 |
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| cknight | bswartz: But deduplicating some other things would make it harder to remove v1 later. | 15:36 |
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| bswartz | that's true | 15:36 |
| bswartz | we don't want to make removal of v1 a difficult thing | 15:36 |
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| cknight | bswartz: I'm OK with some duplication if it means removing v1 is as quick and clean as removing a driver :-P | 15:37 |
| cfouts | most of the *Manager code can be placed in common | 15:37 |
| u_glide | why we cannot do what nova do with wraps https://github.com/openstack/python-novaclient/blob/39739158b0cf10a775fd3899e35df7f53b4c9336/novaclient/v2/services.py#L52 ? | 15:38 |
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| cfouts | and the v1/ v2/ files can import the managers | 15:38 |
| cfouts | u_glide: that support is in there now | 15:38 |
| cfouts | u_glide: but it only works for servers that support microversions | 15:38 |
| toabctl | cknight: +1 for the deduplicating thing | 15:39 |
| toabctl | question is if we expect a lot of bug fixes for the v1 code | 15:40 |
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| cknight | toabctl: Good question. I'd be surprised if that were true. | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | my concern would be that if we found a bug we might only fix it in v2 even if v1 were also affected by the same bug | 15:41 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: making people migrate to v2? | 15:42 |
| bswartz | it would be tough for reviewers to ensure that never happened | 15:42 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: we want people to migrate to v2 but users of the client may have valid reasons for wanting to continue to support kilo | 15:43 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: then bugs should be fixed in both versions | 15:43 |
| u_glide | vponomaryov: +1 | 15:43 |
| bswartz | only if we duplicate the code and make 1 bug into 2 bugs | 15:43 |
| toabctl | vponomaryov: +1 | 15:43 |
| bswartz | if we avoid duplicating the code the there would only be 1 bug to fix | 15:44 |
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| toabctl | about what time frame are we talking? when do we expect to remove v1 ? | 15:44 |
| vponomaryov | toabctl: other project have idea to keep API deprecated at least for three releases | 15:45 |
| vponomaryov | s/project/projects/ | 15:45 |
| bswartz | toabctl: deprecation of v1 on the server side and deprecation of v1 on the client side would be completely separate decisions | 15:45 |
| toabctl | bswartz: sure. I'm talking just about the client side. | 15:45 |
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| bswartz | we could choose to continue v1 support in the client forever, even if we aggressively remove it from the server | 15:46 |
| bswartz | that decision would be based on the cost of maintenance vs. the value of continuing to support kilo | 15:46 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: +1 for keeping it in client | 15:47 |
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| bswartz | okay I think there's general agreement on this subject | 15:47 |
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| bswartz | please add review comments on cfouts' patch | 15:47 |
| bswartz | any other topics before we close for today? | 15:48 |
| bswartz | nastygram about the feature table already sent | 15:48 |
| * bswartz goes to propose topics in etherpad | 15:48 | |
| bswartz | thanks all | 15:48 |
| vponomaryov | thanks | 15:48 |
| toabctl | thanks. bye | 15:48 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:48 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 1 15:48:49 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-10-01-15.01.html | 15:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-10-01-15.01.txt | 15:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-10-01-15.01.log.html | 15:48 |
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| xarses | #startmeeting fuel | 16:00 |
| xarses | #chair xarses | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 1 16:00:35 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xarses. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| xarses | Todays Agenda: | 16:00 |
| xarses | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:00 |
| xarses | Who's here? | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: xarses | 16:00 |
| mwhahaha | hi | 16:00 |
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| angdraug | o/ | 16:00 |
| rmoe | hi | 16:00 |
| mihgen | hi | 16:00 |
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| jkirnosova_ | hi | 16:01 |
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| xarses | #topic action items from last week | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "action items from last week (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:02 | |
| xarses | mihgen to find bug about missing neutron options found by scale | 16:02 |
| mihgen | sorry folks, I spent some time and was unable to find that bug.. Let's just pay attention when we sync something with upstream, that we don't lose our settings which we made based on testing | 16:02 |
| mihgen | that's it on this topic.. | 16:03 |
| xarses | thanks | 16:03 |
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| xarses | #topic MAINTAINERS: let's go ahead and extend the list (mihgen) | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "MAINTAINERS: let's go ahead and extend the list (mihgen) (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:03 | |
| mihgen | it's pity that we don't have many ppl today .. most are busy with another meeting ( anyway.. | 16:04 |
| mihgen | First patch is merged to fuel-web: | 16:04 |
| mihgen | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225457/ | 16:04 |
| mihgen | I call everyone to create this file in every repo, and fill it in by next IRC meeting. We need to move on with our code review improvements, and this is one of the steps. | 16:04 |
| mihgen | Then, maintainers will need to review code first before asking cores to review. | 16:04 |
| mihgen | I'll use http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/075008.html as a source on who is core in which repo, and assign an action item for the first core from each repo to create MAINTAINERS file for that repo. | 16:04 |
| mihgen | If you folks see that someone is on vacation, etc. - please pick it up as being another core / maintainer of the repo. Let's get it all done by next IRC meeting, so we can go repo by repo and ensure that files are there. | 16:04 |
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| mihgen | angdraug: do you agree here.. .? | 16:05 |
| evgenyl | mihgen: do we have some template for that? | 16:05 |
| mihgen | let's use patch which I've shared as template | 16:05 |
| evgenyl | mihgen: sorry, i see. | 16:05 |
| ashtokolov | mihgen sorry I didn't catch. How we can add maintainers now? | 16:06 |
| mihgen | just go ahead and propose patch to that file in fuel-web | 16:06 |
| mihgen | or just add in other repos | 16:06 |
| ashtokolov | ok | 16:06 |
| mihgen | or do you mean how you identify particular people? | 16:06 |
| ashtokolov | I think bulat can be a maintainer of fuel-createmirror | 16:07 |
| mattymo_ | ashtokolov, that's not on a stackforge/fuel-* repo | 16:07 |
| mihgen | mattymo: fuel-createmirror is there | 16:07 |
| mattymo_ | mihgen, who is maintainer of nailgun? Who is maintainer of specs? I know your goal is to mark a maintainer for everything... but there's only a few areas where it's black and white | 16:07 |
| mihgen | well then you propose him | 16:07 |
| mihgen | mattymo_: there can be few maintainers | 16:08 |
| mihgen | let's bring gray areas to discussion and decide | 16:08 |
| mattymo_ | mihgen, https://github.com/stackforge/fuel-createmirror ? no... it's https://review.fuel-infra.org/#/admin/projects/packages/centos6/fuel-createmirror | 16:08 |
| mihgen | it's actually ideal situation when there a few maintainers | 16:08 |
| ashtokolov | mattymo_ I think it should be on a stackforge/fuel-* repo anyway | 16:08 |
| mwhahaha | https://github.com/stackforge/fuel-mirror | 16:08 |
| angdraug | mihgen: +1 on MAINTAINERS | 16:09 |
| mwhahaha | it has already been moved to fuel-mirror | 16:09 |
| mattymo_ | mihgen, we should have an etherpad, all top level dirs for all our main repos, and we should fill it out | 16:09 |
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| mattymo_ | rather than inviting random 1-20 people to create reviews | 16:09 |
| mihgen | mattymo_: I don't want to invite random | 16:09 |
| mihgen | cores! | 16:09 |
| mihgen | they must know whom to propose to maintainers | 16:10 |
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| mihgen | they merge other people's code | 16:10 |
| mattymo_ | mwhahaha, you're core. you should know all :) | 16:10 |
| angdraug | mattymo_: -1 | 16:10 |
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| mihgen | mattymo_: so I don't know why we'd have etherpad | 16:11 |
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| mihgen | if core of particular repo can just go ahead and propose patch | 16:11 |
| angdraug | all cores combined will definitely know all maintainers | 16:11 |
| mihgen | then get people review it | 16:11 |
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| mihgen | including future maintainers | 16:11 |
| angdraug | doesn't mean a single core would know everything | 16:11 |
| mihgen | so it should go with approve | 16:11 |
| mihgen | mattymo_: do you have any particular thing it mind why it may not work.. ? | 16:12 |
| mattymo_ | mihgen, because your patch sat for a week without much involvement from cores. I'm seeing a bystander effect | 16:13 |
| mattymo_ | "EVERYONE do this" results in nobody does anything | 16:13 |
| mattymo_ | anyway, move on | 16:13 |
| mihgen | mattymo_: I'll assign first core of each repo, as I said.. did you read my messages above?))) | 16:13 |
| mihgen | one guy per repo | 16:13 |
| angdraug | lets give out some actions | 16:14 |
| mihgen | who will be responsible to make it done | 16:14 |
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| mihgen | xarses: you can give an action item for me to assign first core to create/fill in MAINTAINERS file for the repo core reviewer is responsible for | 16:14 |
| mattymo_ | "<mihgen> I call everyone to create this file in every repo" != first core of each | 16:15 |
| xarses | assign the first core? | 16:15 |
| mihgen | mattymo_: sorry. I fixed myself in next sentence: | 16:15 |
| mihgen | "I'll use http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/075008.html as a source on who is core in which repo, and assign an action item for the first core from each repo to create MAINTAINERS file for that repo." | 16:15 |
| xarses | #action mihgen will task a core from each repo to start the first version of the MAINTAINERS file | 16:16 |
| xarses | moving on then? | 16:16 |
| angdraug | yes please | 16:17 |
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| xarses | #topic team structure policy: can we get more +2 and merge it.. ? (mihgen) | 16:17 |
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| mihgen | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225376/ | 16:17 |
| mihgen | angdraug, you are as an acting PTL, in my opinion should make a decision if we need to wait some more time / ask particular cores to +1, and finally merge it. This doc is ~2 weeks around, so I'd assume that we can move on with mergin... | 16:17 |
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| xarses | +1 | 16:18 |
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| mihgen | angdraug: ^^ ? | 16:19 |
| angdraug | the deadline to merge it is 8th | 16:19 |
| angdraug | so we still have a few days | 16:19 |
| angdraug | I don't want to have some last-minute -1's so lets agree that the last day to provide feedback is 5th | 16:20 |
| mihgen | did we mention it in openstack-dev ML .. ? | 16:20 |
| angdraug | oh yes | 16:20 |
| mihgen | oh sorry then | 16:20 |
| mihgen | I didn't notice | 16:20 |
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| angdraug | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/074984.html | 16:20 |
| mihgen | ok, so I hope everyone had a chance to read already | 16:20 |
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| mihgen | then let's move on.. | 16:20 |
| angdraug | yes | 16:21 |
| xarses | #topic clean up in core reviewers group: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/075008.html (mihgen) | 16:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "clean up in core reviewers group: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/075008.html (mihgen) (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:21 | |
| mihgen | so folks it's been 10 days since I proposed it | 16:22 |
| mihgen | I think we can go ahead with it | 16:22 |
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| mihgen | any objections? | 16:22 |
| angdraug | mihgen: what do you think about keeping me on fuel-docs-core? | 16:22 |
| mihgen | I'd task fuel-infra team to make it happen | 16:22 |
| angdraug | :) | 16:23 |
| mihgen | angdraug: you are #19 there, so sorry.. | 16:23 |
| mihgen | if you go back to review stats, other cores will re-propose you?) | 16:23 |
| mihgen | #link http://stackalytics.com/report/contribution/fuel-docs/180 | 16:23 |
| xarses | action on angdraug then? | 16:24 |
| angdraug | no thanks | 16:24 |
| mihgen | xarses: yes, on angdraug to execute as he is leading fuel-infra | 16:24 |
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| angdraug | no thanks on going back up in review stats, that is | 16:24 |
| angdraug | yes on action for fuel-infra | 16:24 |
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| xarses | #action angdraug will task fuel-infra team to update core groups | 16:24 |
| angdraug | fuel-docs team does come to me for help occasionally, but I'm not likely to be able to do enough reviews there to keep up with the top 10 | 16:25 |
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| angdraug | moving on? | 16:26 |
| xarses | #topic announcement! 7.0! | 16:26 |
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| angdraug | what's there to say? 7.0 is out! | 16:26 |
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| xarses | I'd like to take a moment to thank every one for their work on 7.0, it went out the door | 16:26 |
| mihgen | links shared? | 16:26 |
| xarses | due to every one's hard work | 16:26 |
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| angdraug | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-October/075932.html | 16:26 |
| xarses | https://www.fuel-infra.org/ | 16:26 |
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| xarses | #link https://www.fuel-infra.org/ | 16:27 |
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| mihgen | yes. This should be the best release we had ever in terms of quality | 16:27 |
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| xarses | hopefully it works when you install it this time (j/k) | 16:27 |
| xarses | =) | 16:27 |
| angdraug | not just quality | 16:28 |
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| angdraug | we managed to 1) improve quality; 2) reduce time between releases; 3) integrate new OpenStack release; 4) add a whole bunch of cool features! | 16:28 |
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| mihgen | 8) | 16:28 |
| bookwar | 5) and do it in time | 16:28 |
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| angdraug | bookwar: that's (2) :p | 16:29 |
| angdraug | but yes, great job everyone! | 16:29 |
| mihgen | thanks folks. Let's keep it up! | 16:29 |
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| xarses | #topic open discuss | 16:29 |
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| xarses | thats it for the scheduled topics, if any one has anything to raise | 16:30 |
| xarses | otherwise we can close early | 16:30 |
| angdraug | IBerezovskiy: around? | 16:30 |
| mattymo_ | xarses have we decided about Q^A questions for PTL? | 16:30 |
| IBerezovskiy | angdraug, yep | 16:30 |
| mattymo_ | Q&A* | 16:30 |
| angdraug | I was wondering if we should talk again about librarian | 16:30 |
| xarses | mattymo_: you can propose some =) | 16:30 |
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| xarses | also when should we schedule that, next meeting? | 16:31 |
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| IBerezovskiy | angdraug, mwhahaha have sent email yesterday about our meeting results and provided detailed description of new workflow for puppet modules | 16:31 |
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| angdraug | it was a private mail though, so worth reiterating here | 16:32 |
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| angdraug | mwhahaha: you were going to update the wiki page on librarian, right? | 16:33 |
| mwhahaha | yes | 16:33 |
| mwhahaha | it is on my list of things to do to provide more details on the wiki | 16:33 |
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| angdraug | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Fuel/Library_and_Upstream_Modules | 16:33 |
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| mwhahaha | the email was just adding more details on things already provided in that page | 16:33 |
| mwhahaha | additionally there were concerns around the puppetfile and people merging items that bypass fuel-library core review | 16:34 |
| angdraug | one thing in particular that still worries me is setting the expectation on what is and is not ok to merge into fuel-infra clones of upstream modules | 16:34 |
| mwhahaha | I've created a script to validate Puppetfiles based on our policy around upstream modules. The goal is to turn this into a jenkins job so we do not accidentally merge changes that do not follow our guidelines around upstream modules. | 16:34 |
| mwhahaha | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229605/ | 16:34 |
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| mwhahaha | We'll need to figure out a list of things that are OK to merge on fuel-infra and what is not | 16:34 |
| mwhahaha | and that should be put in the wiki as well | 16:34 |
| angdraug | yup | 16:34 |
| mwhahaha | I'll try to come up with a starting point when i update the wiki and send an email | 16:35 |
| angdraug | thanks | 16:36 |
| angdraug | anything else? | 16:36 |
| rmoe | I have something | 16:36 |
| angdraug | rmoe: go for it :) | 16:37 |
| rmoe | I'd like to give a short update on some work I've been doing with network templates | 16:37 |
| rmoe | One of the things I've been working on recently has been using network | 16:37 |
| rmoe | templates to deploy environments with only two networks, one for admin traffic and one | 16:37 |
| rmoe | for all OpenStack traffic. I've also created a template to use a single interface for | 16:37 |
| rmoe | everything, admin + OpenStack. | 16:37 |
| rmoe | There are preliminary instructions for configuring these templates here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229948 | 16:37 |
| rmoe | It requires applying a few patches to 7.0 environments but all but one of the required changes | 16:37 |
| rmoe | have been merged so 8.0 ISOs require less effort. | 16:37 |
| rmoe | HA works fine and all OpenStack components appear to work correctly. The only thing I haven't tested | 16:37 |
| rmoe | yet is Ceph. Hopefully this serves as a good example of how flexible network templates | 16:37 |
| rmoe | are. | 16:37 |
| rmoe | this came from frequent requests from customers (and potential customers) for this kind of network configuration | 16:37 |
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| angdraug | funny that originally the idea of network templates came from the need to _add_ more networks :) | 16:38 |
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| mihgen | rmoe: cool | 16:38 |
| holser | Hi | 16:38 |
| angdraug | it's pretty cool that you've made it to scale in both directions | 16:38 |
| aglarendil | cool | 16:39 |
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| mihgen | let's complete it and merge template someone | 16:39 |
| mihgen | so people can easily reuse it! | 16:39 |
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| xarses | rmoe, can we make it so these templates are part of our CI coverage? | 16:39 |
| aglarendil | but there is even more demand on one interface for compute node | 16:39 |
| angdraug | if it needs code from 8.0 does it mean we can't merge this documentation to fuel-docs stable/7.0? | 16:39 |
| rmoe | it works in 7.0 but it's not easy | 16:40 |
| rmoe | not as easy as 8.0 will be | 16:40 |
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| mihgen | we may want to document it in stable/7.0, and provide instructions what patches to apply if needed | 16:40 |
| rmoe | there were some important changes that didn't make 7.0 (like the ability to update network groups with the cli) | 16:40 |
| mihgen | or just better - document it in development guide | 16:40 |
| mihgen | rmoe: that particular one should be targeted to 7.0-updates in my opinion | 16:41 |
| rmoe | I agree | 16:41 |
| mihgen | can you please ensure it target that milestone and it's clearly explained why it's important... ? | 16:41 |
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| rmoe | yes, I'll do that | 16:41 |
| mihgen | thanks | 16:42 |
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| xarses | anything else? | 16:42 |
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| xarses | ok, thanks every one | 16:43 |
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| xarses | #endmeeting | 16:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 1 16:44:04 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-10-01-16.00.html | 16:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-10-01-16.00.txt | 16:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-10-01-16.00.log.html | 16:44 |
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| hyakuhei | Looks about time to start :) | 16:59 |
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| hyakuhei | #startmeeting Security | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 1 17:00:01 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Security)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:00 |
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| hyakuhei | #chair tmcpeak | 17:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hyakuhei tmcpeak | 17:00 |
| hyakuhei | Hey all! | 17:00 |
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| dg_ | hey | 17:00 |
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| * sicarie waves | 17:00 | |
| tmcpeak | yo! ~o/ | 17:00 |
| chair6 | hai | 17:00 |
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| tmcpeak | oh, hai! | 17:00 |
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| elmiko | o/ | 17:00 |
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| hyakuhei | heh | 17:01 |
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| hyakuhei | Hey elmiko! Thanks for helping out with the meeting! | 17:01 |
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| nkinder | Hi all! | 17:01 |
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| tmcpeak | yo, Mr. Kinder | 17:01 |
| elmiko | hyakuhei: no problem, glad to help | 17:01 |
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| hyakuhei | nkinder? | 17:01 |
| * hyakuhei squints | 17:01 | |
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| elmiko | haha | 17:01 |
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| hyakuhei | is that nkinder in the distance ? | 17:01 |
| yaya | hi everbody | 17:01 |
| browne | hi | 17:01 |
| tmcpeak | hey yaya, wassup | 17:01 |
| yaya | been awhile :) | 17:02 |
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| hyakuhei | Sweet, so… Agenda | 17:02 |
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| hyakuhei | Anchor, Bandit, OSSN, Docs, Syntribos, PR | 17:02 |
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| hyakuhei | what else ? | 17:02 |
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| tmcpeak | elmiko's architecture bonanza? | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | separating the less trusted things from the golden things, etc | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah, I’ve only just looked through that but I think it needs some massaging first. | 17:03 |
| chair6 | i've been looking briefly at Horizon logging and could do with some opinions (eek) | 17:03 |
| elmiko | i've only shared the doc internally and with hyakuhei, not sure it's ready for primetime yet | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | oh, I haven't even seen it | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | (I literally opened it two mintues ago) | 17:03 |
| elmiko | lol! | 17:03 |
| redrobot | o/ | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: you were there when we whiteboarded it :P | 17:03 |
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| hyakuhei | hey redrobot | 17:03 |
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| tmcpeak | oh yeah, I know that. I mean the finished product | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | Sweet, lets leave that for next week | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | tkelsey sends his appologies | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Anchor | 17:04 |
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| hyakuhei | dg_: what’ve you guys been up to ? | 17:04 |
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| dg_ | tkelsey and I spent a day pretending we worked at a startup, sat in a coffee shop hacking code | 17:05 |
| dg_ | anchor now has a sperate validation module, so you can import anchor.validation and do cert validation | 17:05 |
| elmiko | nice | 17:05 |
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| hyakuhei | Yeah that’ll be handy | 17:05 |
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| dg_ | it now returns a dictionary, of {validator:result} so you can see the results for individual validators, rather than complete list | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/anchor+status:open,n,z | 17:06 |
| dave-mccowan | o/ | 17:06 |
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| hyakuhei | That sounds useful dg_ | 17:07 |
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| hyakuhei | welcome dave-mccowan | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | Cool | 17:07 |
| dg_ | i think thats merged too | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | Nice work :) | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | Anything else? | 17:07 |
| dg_ | thats all the anchor stuff I can think of | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | Great! Thanks | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Bandit | 17:08 |
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| tmcpeak | yo | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | so Kelsey has been smashing docs like a possessed man | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | haha | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | he's a beast | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | check out the reviews if you haven't already | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/bandit+status:open,n,z | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | our plan is to release new Bandit after the docs are done | 17:09 |
| bknudson | I can't even keep keystone up with the previous release. | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | heh | 17:10 |
| chair6 | looking at the multiprocessing change, i think it's a useful POC but probably needs some more work / refactoring to do it 'nicely' | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, we'll punt on multi-processing until 0.15.0 if it's cool with you guys | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | it might break things | 17:11 |
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| tmcpeak | we want to test the crap out of it first | 17:11 |
| browne | bknudson: i think once we refactor bandit.yaml so that other projects don't have to update it, then it'll be a lot easier to stay current | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | anything else? | 17:12 |
| bknudson | that would make things easier. having a bunch of options for the tests in bandit.yaml makes for more work. | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | that's about it for this week | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | +1 | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, that's not a great user experience | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | ok cool, ploughing on through :) | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | #topic OSSN | 17:12 |
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| browne | ok, i want to look into that some more | 17:12 |
| nkinder | So our backlog looks a lot better now for OSSNs | 17:13 |
| elmiko | \o/ | 17:13 |
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| nkinder | I published another one last week, and there are a few in progress | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | There’s still a few sitting open #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+security-doc,n,z | 17:13 |
| nkinder | The trusted compute pools one is close - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/220263/ | 17:13 |
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| nkinder | We just need to fix up the terminology a bit, then get a nova reviewer | 17:13 |
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| hyakuhei | Think we could get malini to review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/220263/ ? | 17:14 |
| nkinder | yeah, that's what I was thinking too | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | Probably should consider abandoning or updating #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136203/ | 17:15 |
| nkinder | We should have Michael fix up the terminology first, then we can get the reviews going | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | Malini still around? | 17:15 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: Yes, that one has rotted | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | She’s still working in the space but not around atm, I’ll ping her an email | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | Anything else required on the OSSN front nkinder ? | 17:15 |
| dave-mccowan | nkinder did you notice that Nova began the process of deprecating TrustedComputePools by marking it "experimental"? it might be worth calling that out in this note. | 17:16 |
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| nkinder | dave-mccowan: Yeah, that's worth calling out. Do you mind adding a comment in the review for Michael? | 17:16 |
| dave-mccowan | nkinder will do. | 17:16 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: nothing else really at this point. | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | cool, thanks nkinder | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Security-docs | 17:17 |
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| hyakuhei | sicarie: How’s things going ? | 17:17 |
| sicarie | Pretty well | 17:17 |
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| sicarie | We're outlining the work to be done for the new leaf release | 17:17 |
| sicarie | I think the COmpute chapter is relatively complete for now | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | hows the RST magics going ? | 17:17 |
| sicarie | I'm going to finish the case studies | 17:17 |
| sicarie | So much nicer than DocBOok | 17:18 |
| sicarie | And then the only other effort called out was getting a generalized "checklist" into each chapter | 17:18 |
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| sicarie | I think once we hit that I'm going to wrestle with the table conversions and submit for new leaf book - hopefully coinciding with the Tokyo Summit | 17:18 |
| sicarie | If anyone sees any gaps, please open a bug or ping me | 17:19 |
| elmiko | +1 | 17:19 |
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| sicarie | And that's about it for docs righ tnow | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | Great stuff! | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | #topic syntribos | 17:20 |
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| hyakuhei | Anyone here to talk about this ? | 17:20 |
| mvaldes | sure | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | :) | 17:20 |
| mvaldes | we're working on some general improvements to reporting | 17:20 |
| mvaldes | and better detection on the SQLi attacks | 17:21 |
| elmiko | did you get things worked out with the infra folks concerning cores and what not? | 17:21 |
| mvaldes | not yet that i know of | 17:21 |
| mvaldes | Michael is working on that | 17:21 |
| elmiko | yea, just curious how that's going | 17:21 |
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| mvaldes | i think that is new for us, so if anyone has expertise... :) | 17:22 |
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| mvaldes | and that's really the only updates we have | 17:22 |
| elmiko | i think michael is on the right path, he was asking some questions in channel yesterday(?) | 17:22 |
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| mvaldes | awesome | 17:23 |
| elmiko | thanks =) | 17:23 |
| mvaldes | thanks for the help | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | Anyhting else to cover ? | 17:23 |
| * hyakuhei just got grabbed on another meeting so I’m multi tasking! | 17:24 | |
| tmcpeak | @hyakuhei I can take over if you want | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | please | 17:24 |
| mvaldes | Michael is joining in now | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | :) | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | cool | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | ok, anything else to say for Syntribos or shall we move on? | 17:24 |
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| tmcpeak | michaelxin: wassup | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | anything to say for Syntribos this week? | 17:25 |
| michaelxin | tmcpeak: sorry I am late | 17:25 |
| michaelxin | tmcpeak: Yes. | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | no worries | 17:25 |
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| michaelxin | The sytribos-core is not working and am working with openstack infrastructure team on it. | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | core? | 17:26 |
| michaelxin | At the same time, our team is currently working on reporting of security issues. | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | have I missed something from last week? | 17:26 |
| michaelxin | yes. | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | I should probably be a non-crappy chair and read logs huh? | 17:26 |
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| michaelxin | It was merged into openstack | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | as long as somebody knows what we're talking about we can keep rolling ;) | 17:26 |
| bknudson | there's a bunch of security issues? | 17:27 |
| bknudson | I hope they're not in keystone | 17:27 |
| michaelxin | But the syntribos-core group on review.openstack.com is empty. | 17:27 |
| elmiko | =( | 17:27 |
| mvaldes | we are working to improve syntribos' reporting of issues it finds | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | reporting how? | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | back now (stupid life or death sales people) feel free to keep on rolling tmcpeak | 17:28 |
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| mvaldes | right now it writes to a log file | 17:28 |
| michaelxin | A list of identified security issues with severity and description, etc. | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | all you Mr. Hyakuhei, we're still on syntribos | 17:28 |
| mvaldes | we want to make the reporting more digestible | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | JSON is useful IMO | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | we use that a lot internally | 17:28 |
| michaelxin | We will make it consistent with Bandit | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:29 |
| elmiko | nice | 17:29 |
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| michaelxin | Forgot to mention. | 17:29 |
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| michaelxin | I have recruited some of my team members to our group | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | michaelxin: awesome, was just talking to chair6 about a standardized reporting format earlier too | 17:29 |
| mvaldes | bknudson: we didn't find issues per se, but when syntribos does, we want the reporting to be better | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | michaelxin: awesome!! you're singing my song, who we got? :D | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | I’m all for good reporting | 17:30 |
| michaelxin | hi, rackers, would you please introduce yourself? | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | but a little voice in the back of my head says it should be complicated enough that “pentesters” dont just start emailing me invoices and “Syntribos Reports”... | 17:30 |
| mdong | hey everyone, I’m Michael Dong, I’m pretty new to the Rackspace security team | 17:30 |
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| mvaldes | hyakuhei: +1 | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | awesome mdong! great to meet you | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | maybe a few sentences about your background and interests? | 17:31 |
| hyamauchi | hi. I'm henry yamauchi. Hi all. Just lurking for now... | 17:31 |
| dg_ | hey | 17:31 |
| michaelxin | Henry is from Rackspace too. | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | hyamuchi: lurking is cool but hanging out with us is better, the more the merrier! | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei | Pesky rackers everywhere! (Welcome :D) | 17:31 |
| elmiko | hi mdong | 17:31 |
| greg_a | Hey everyone, I'm Greg Anderson. Also part of RAX and here to help with syntribos :) | 17:31 |
| yaya | and I am Yasmine K | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | wow! this is awesome | 17:31 |
| michaelxin | greg_a is from Rackspace too. | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | Rackers, could you each please type a couple of sentences about your backgrounds and what interests you? | 17:32 |
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| elmiko | yea, lots of hellos =) /me waves at hyamauchi greg_a and yaya | 17:32 |
| michaelxin | greg_a is our Defcon speaker here. | 17:32 |
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| tmcpeak | michaelxin: this is great, glad you've brought such fine folks to us | 17:32 |
| michaelxin | :-) | 17:32 |
| elmiko | +1 | 17:32 |
| michaelxin | We missed ccneil | 17:32 |
| nkinder | +1 Welcome all! Good to have some fresh faces here. | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | ++ | 17:32 |
| michaelxin | He is the one who contributed to Bandit. | 17:32 |
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| tmcpeak | ahh yeah, I'm familiar with ccneil. The HTML report is a great addition | 17:33 |
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| mdong | I just graduated from University of Texas at Austin this May, right now it’s the UT football team that interests me, but I’m pretty excited to work on Syntribos! | 17:33 |
| elmiko | hehe | 17:33 |
| greg_a | That's me :D, as mentioned tricked the defcon folks into letting me present. I dabble in all things security: pen testing, IDS, etc. Also have Dev experience and I'm excited to help out and be a part of this :) | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | awesome! great to have you mdong | 17:34 |
| michaelxin | cool, glad to see our team grow. | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | greg_a got a link to your preso? | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | I love watching good defcon presos | 17:34 |
| greg_a | yep one sec | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | sweet | 17:34 |
| michaelxin | yaya: would you give us some introduction too? | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei | Great having some fresh blood in the group! Is this just Syntribos focussed or while you guys be poking around other bits of the security cave too ? | 17:35 |
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| michaelxin | hyakuhei: We will help with everything | 17:35 |
| mdong | I’ll definitely try to contribute as much as I can all around | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | sweet!! | 17:36 |
| michaelxin | whatever hyakuhei asks us to do. :-) | 17:36 |
| mvaldes | all the things! | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | :D | 17:36 |
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| elmiko | lol | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | I love you rackers, I’ve always said “I love them Rackers” :P | 17:36 |
| yaya | yup. So I’ve been with the team for almost a year now. Interested in all things security from pentesting to research :) | 17:36 |
| michaelxin | hyakuhei: +1 | 17:36 |
| michaelxin | tmcpeak: +1 | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | Fantastic. | 17:36 |
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| greg_a | tmcpeak: here it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1l-9Z8TOAg | 17:37 |
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| hyakuhei | #topic Any Other Business | 17:37 |
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| tmcpeak | greg_a: awesome, wil check it out | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | chair6: Did you have some logging ideas? | 17:37 |
| chair6 | just a small one | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | greg_a: awesome thanks! | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | also I wanted to give a brief shout about PR | 17:37 |
| chair6 | i've been trying to actually use openstack log output in anger | 17:37 |
| elmiko | thanks greg_a , and the other rackers, always nice to meet some new sec. folks =) | 17:37 |
| chair6 | devstack@devstack:/var/log/apache2$ tail -f horizon_error.log | grep failed | 17:37 |
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| chair6 | 2015-09-29 20:22:29.683986 Login failed for user "admin". | 17:37 |
| chair6 | 2015-09-29 20:22:46.032374 Login failed for user "blahblah". | 17:37 |
| chair6 | 2015-09-29 20:23:20.997693 Login failed for user "blahblah". | 17:37 |
| greg_a | tmcpeak: no prob! I start around 10:40 | 17:38 |
| chair6 | something like ^ is not particularly useful though .. a source IP would be a nice additino | 17:38 |
| michaelxin | elmiko: +1 | 17:38 |
| chair6 | wondering if anyone has worked on horizon before, before i go chasing this and other potential similar cases down myself.. | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | +1 | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | Don’t we sell super expensive connect the dot machines to do this ? | 17:39 |
| * hyakuhei hides. | 17:39 | |
| hyakuhei | fwiw I think this would be very useful | 17:39 |
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| hyakuhei | About 18 months ago there was some discussion of finding a way to trace API cascades from individual inputs | 17:39 |
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| bknudson | keystone at least puts the request ID in its logs now | 17:40 |
| michaelxin | ccneill: Would you please introduce yourself? | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah that’s a good step forward | 17:40 |
| elmiko | chair6: have you been following any of the logging-wg stuff? | 17:40 |
| bknudson | there's a spec to have the APIs provide the request IDs to the callers | 17:40 |
| bknudson | the python APIs | 17:40 |
| elmiko | yea, that's a good one too | 17:40 |
| chair6 | elmiko - i remember reading some logging-related stuff ~6 months ago but didn't see any evidence of progress .. maybe i'm not looking in the right place | 17:41 |
| elmiko | chair6: yea, not sure much has happened, aside from some error logging related stuff | 17:41 |
| elmiko | well, and what bknudson mentioned | 17:42 |
| mvaldes | can you easily trace the request Id to a specific API? | 17:42 |
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| mvaldes | or does that still require some detective work | 17:43 |
| elmiko | good question | 17:43 |
| bknudson | you can't easily track request IDs at all now | 17:43 |
| bknudson | the work hasn't been done | 17:44 |
| bknudson | jfdi | 17:44 |
| chair6 | interesting .. | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | #JFDI | 17:44 |
| chair6 | okay, well what i might (if i have time.. sigh) start working on is some security-related scenarios and seeing what it takes to track them back through various logs .. see where gaps are, what simple fixes there mgith be, etc | 17:45 |
| elmiko | chair6: +1 | 17:45 |
| chair6 | your horizon UI is being bruteforced? how does that manifest, how do you invesitgate, etc | 17:45 |
| chair6 | and so on for other attack scenarios | 17:46 |
| mvaldes | sounds like a worthy effort | 17:46 |
| tmcpeak | chair6: you won't | 17:46 |
| chair6 | lol, yeah, time... | 17:46 |
| sicarie | tmcpeak: way to stay optimistic | 17:46 |
| tmcpeak | :D | 17:46 |
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| elmiko | chair6: i'd be curious to talk about it sometime, we're working on something along those lines for our presentation in tokyo | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak | oh, presentation? now you're singing chair6's song :P | 17:47 |
| elmiko | (ie how to use logs to see certain behaviors) | 17:47 |
| chair6 | cool.. how about we setup an etherpad or something and start throwing some thoughts into it? | 17:47 |
| elmiko | sounds good | 17:47 |
| chair6 | presentations are good as long as they're only made up of photos of people watching clouds | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak | +1 | 17:47 |
| elmiko | haha | 17:47 |
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| hyakuhei | I didn’t have anything else to cover today, anyone else ? | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: How about the PR deck? | 17:48 |
| nkinder | chair6: I wonder if CADF notifications can be used for watching for these sorts of attacks | 17:48 |
| chair6 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-logging-investigation | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei | s/PR/recruitment | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | sweet | 17:49 |
| tmcpeak | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g2LVI_oR8sNAuiAB5VW1RYRV9afD_D6BboSYFQX7lDs/edit?usp=sharing | 17:49 |
| chair6 | nkinder i've been looking at CADF as well, that has some gaps / frustrations too | 17:49 |
| elmiko | hyakuhei: do you want just stay in touch via email about the "canhaz" project? ;) | 17:49 |
| tmcpeak | so this is something I've written (with hyakuhei's help) for SuperUser magazine | 17:49 |
| tmcpeak | the OpenStack thing | 17:49 |
| chair6 | like it logs a user UUID but not a plaintext username, so it takes some wrapper / work to make it human-useful | 17:49 |
| tmcpeak | http://superuser.openstack.org/ | 17:49 |
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| tmcpeak | the idea is to boost our numbers | 17:49 |
| tmcpeak | as you all know I've been all "we should have more ppl, we're spread thin, etc" | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | elmiko: yeah, I’ll throw it into google docs and share it with you, which should let us both edit | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | hopefully the superuser article can help us get publicity for our projects and group and get some further fresh blood | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | please take a look, let me know if you like it or hate it, but.. | 17:50 |
| elmiko | hyakuhei: wish i could just share my google doc... ಠ_ಠ | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | it's pretty much going out regardless :) | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | sent it to the foundation folks | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | aside from that: any of our chapters have any luck scheduling things? | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | or shall I go around and annoy you all until you do it? :P | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | Seattle is GTG | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | UK: where you at? | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | San Antonio? | 17:51 |
| mvaldes | I think Michael is working on something for our OWASP chapter | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | Minnesota? | 17:51 |
| mvaldes | San Antonio | 17:52 |
| dg_ | tmcpeak say where and when, we'll be there | 17:52 |
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| hyakuhei | UK stalled out slightly because of a few things like Discover, I’ll try to make a note to find a venue | 17:52 |
| mvaldes | I'll push that along :) | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei, dg_: you guys want to book it yourself or you want me to? | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | I'm happy to do either way | 17:52 |
| chair6 | turns out i'll be presenting to CSA Seattle on oct 22 so will definitely put in some PR content there | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | chair6: oooh, sweet | 17:52 |
| bknudson | I haven't heard about the next minnesota meetup. | 17:52 |
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| dg_ | tmcpeak not fussed | 17:53 |
| dg_ | i think there is some stuff happening in bristol, but not looked into it | 17:53 |
| tmcpeak | browne: I'll ping you offline, looks like I'll be back in the bay in early December so I'll make sure whatever I set up works for both of us, sounds good? | 17:53 |
| browne | tmcpeak: sounds good | 17:54 |
| tmcpeak | sweet | 17:54 |
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| tmcpeak | ok, so hyakuhei will look into Bristol | 17:54 |
| tmcpeak | michaelxin: how's San Antonio coming? | 17:54 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: you want help with Minnesota or you good? | 17:54 |
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| mvaldes | tmcpeak: he got called away | 17:54 |
| tmcpeak | ahh ok, you guys can work it and let us know next week | 17:54 |
| mvaldes | we are looking at doing something for October OWASP meeting | 17:54 |
| tmcpeak | perfect | 17:55 |
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| mvaldes | and we are speaking at LASCON in October, so can give a mention there as well | 17:55 |
| bknudson | tmcpeak: I'm good. The next meetup is this month but it's already booked, so need to get on the agenda for the next one. | 17:55 |
| tmcpeak | cool, sounds good | 17:55 |
| mvaldes | tmcpeak: the google doc is great and will be a big help | 17:55 |
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| tmcpeak | mvaldes: great, you mean the deck, right? | 17:56 |
| mvaldes | tmcpeak: didnt see that. i was looking at the superuser article | 17:56 |
| tmcpeak | oh cool | 17:57 |
| tmcpeak | glad you like it | 17:57 |
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| dg_ | got a link to the superuser article? | 17:57 |
| tmcpeak | michaelxin should have the link for the deck. We're hoping that the recruiting efforts can centralize around that | 17:57 |
| mvaldes | tmcpeak: can you link to the deck? | 17:57 |
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| mvaldes | ok cool | 17:57 |
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| mvaldes | dg_: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g2LVI_oR8sNAuiAB5VW1RYRV9afD_D6BboSYFQX7lDs/edit?pli=1 | 17:57 |
| tmcpeak | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g2LVI_oR8sNAuiAB5VW1RYRV9afD_D6BboSYFQX7lDs/edit?usp=sharing | 17:57 |
| dg_ | thanks | 17:58 |
| tmcpeak | cool, so wrapping up | 17:58 |
| tmcpeak | any final words? | 17:58 |
| hyakuhei | lgtm :) | 17:59 |
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| tmcpeak | excellent | 17:59 |
| hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| mvaldes | thanks for all the hard work. i know we rackers are excited to help out | 17:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 1 17:59:05 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| tmcpeak | thanks everybody! | 17:59 |
| hyakuhei | THanks all! | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-10-01-17.00.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-10-01-17.00.txt | 17:59 |
| nkinder | Thanks! | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-10-01-17.00.log.html | 17:59 |
| elmiko | thanks! | 17:59 |
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| chair6 | later all | 17:59 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | hey sahara folks! | 17:59 |
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| elmiko | hi | 18:00 |
| crobertsrh | hel\o/ | 18:00 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting sahara | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 1 18:00:20 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| elmiko | very classy crobertsrh | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 18:00 |
| crobertsrh | I try | 18:00 |
| vgridnev | hello | 18:00 |
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| esikachev | hi | 18:00 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic sahara@horizon status (crobertsrh, vgridnev) | 18:00 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-reviews-in-horizon | 18:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | how is it going with horizon? | 18:00 |
| vgridnev | I have nothing in this topic today | 18:00 |
| crobertsrh | No progress on the existing reviews. | 18:01 |
| crobertsrh | I haven't added anything new | 18:01 |
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| crobertsrh | We should start a list of some things to improve in the UI for M | 18:01 |
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| vgridnev | crobertsrh, good idea, I have some | 18:01 |
| vgridnev | ideas* | 18:02 |
| crobertsrh | Maybe start an etherpad. If there are "big" things, we can talk about them at summit. | 18:02 |
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| elmiko | +1 | 18:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | agree | 18:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 18:03 |
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| david-lyle | there is a fair amount of validation that could be happening in the guides that would be helpful (flashback to patch testing) | 18:03 |
| elmiko | not much from me, i've mainly been working on the sparkhara presentation for summit | 18:03 |
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| crobertsrh | david-lyle: Yes. Guide improvement is on my radar. | 18:04 |
| elmiko | on the upside, i've got a small spark app that is processing sahara contriller logs =) | 18:04 |
| elmiko | *controller | 18:04 |
| vgridnev | I want to start removal direct engine, any objections? | 18:04 |
| crobertsrh | No objection from me. | 18:04 |
| elmiko | vgridnev: would we support it for M then have it removed for N? | 18:04 |
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| esikachev | improvement scenario framework, add ambari 2.3 job on ci, working on cluster verification checks | 18:05 |
| elmiko | vgridnev: or just remove it as of M-1? | 18:05 |
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| vgridnev | not sure, by initial plan we should remove that in M | 18:06 |
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| elmiko | do we have a spec for deprecating the direct engine? | 18:07 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | the plan was to remove in eraly M | 18:07 |
| elmiko | ok, cool | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, it was deprecated in early L | 18:07 |
| crobertsrh | It was dep in L | 18:07 |
| vgridnev | elmiko, yes | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/sahara-specs/specs/liberty/deprecate-direct-engine.html | 18:08 |
| elmiko | ok, no objection from me then | 18:08 |
| crobertsrh | I think that's when I finally stopped using it myself :) | 18:08 |
| elmiko | i thought we did, just couldn't remember >.< | 18:08 |
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| elmiko | thanks SergeyLukjanov | 18:08 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | vgridnev, I think you should make a spec "final direct engine removal" | 18:08 |
| elmiko | +1, i think that would be great for the downstream =) | 18:09 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | actually, we already have a deletion working even after direct engine removal - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173762/ | 18:09 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | so, it should be ok from backward compat PoV | 18:09 |
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| vgridnev | ok, will do that | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | actually, warning was placed as well | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173740/17/doc/source/userdoc/configuration.guide.rst,cm | 18:10 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | in this file https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173740/17/sahara/main.py,cm | 18:10 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | so, as promised it's time to do it | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 18:10 |
| elmiko | i knew we had the warning, and yea i agree it's probably time to remove it | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | let's raise concerns on spec if there will be any | 18:11 |
| elmiko | +1 | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any other news or updates? | 18:11 |
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| crobertsrh | Nothing from me | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Liberty release | 18:12 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | so, we have an RC1 last Friday | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and final stable liberty client 0.11.1 | 18:12 |
| elmiko | \o/ | 18:13 |
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| vgridnev | great | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I don't see any release critical bugs so far | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, no need for rc2 now | 18:13 |
| elmiko | nice | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Liberty_Release_Schedule | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | esikachev, how is it going with testing rc1 & | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ?* | 18:13 |
| vgridnev | SergeyLukjanov, it looks like he is working with cluster verifications checks implementation | 18:14 |
| esikachev | SergeyLukjanov: rc1 works good, i do bug verification on Mon | 18:15 |
| esikachev | *done | 18:15 |
| vgridnev | *did | 18:15 |
| esikachev | yes) | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | good | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we'll have L release on a week Oct 12-16 | 18:17 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | actually we already have a draft schedule for Mitaka | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mitaka_Release_Schedule | 18:19 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | April 7 is the M release date now | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Open discussion | 18:20 |
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| crobertsrh | Are we going forward with our own UI repo for M? | 18:21 |
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| elmiko | good question | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I would say it's a question to discuss on summit | 18:21 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | (as we agreed on meeting somewhere mid summer I think) | 18:21 |
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| crobertsrh | Fair enough. | 18:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we need to collect the +\- and have a session to discuss it and make a final decision | 18:22 |
| crobertsrh | It does seem like something that we'd want to do sooner rather than later, if we are going to do it at all. | 18:22 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | IMO summit is a deadline for decision | 18:23 |
| egafford | crobertsrh: +1 to decisiveness (and to the change itself.) | 18:23 |
| elmiko | would we want to use a separate repo again, or make it a top level directory in the sahara repo? | 18:23 |
| elmiko | akin to the devstack plugin stuff | 18:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | good question | 18:23 |
| crobertsrh | Manila uses a separate repo | 18:23 |
| elmiko | (i'm not sure if horizon places any limits) | 18:23 |
| crobertsrh | Not sure of any other examples | 18:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I like separate repo because we could have separate list of core reviewers | 18:24 |
| elmiko | i kinda like having it all in one repo | 18:24 |
| elmiko | lol | 18:24 |
| elmiko | that is a good point SergeyLukjanov | 18:24 |
| crobertsrh | Might also be worthwhile to talk to the trove people. I think they may be in a similar situation. | 18:24 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | and actually we'll need to package it separately, so, it will be better to keep in own repo | 18:24 |
| elmiko | would horizon ever support something dynamic like devstack, where you just point it at a repo for a plugin? | 18:25 |
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| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: yea, probably best to keep it separate | 18:25 |
| crobertsrh | I would guess "no" | 18:25 |
| elmiko | would be cool though, if it did =) | 18:25 |
| crobertsrh | absolutely | 18:25 |
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| crobertsrh | It's actually not far from that right now | 18:26 |
| crobertsrh | Just a couple configs really to get your plugin up and going in horizon. | 18:26 |
| egafford | crobertsrh: Seems like a logical next step if they want less big tent maint. | 18:26 |
| elmiko | maybe fodder for a horizon spec? | 18:26 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I would say that it shouldn't be difficult to automate it using plugins | 18:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | like pip install sahara-dashboard and it'll be discovered and enabled | 18:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | using stevedore for example | 18:27 |
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| elmiko | yea, that would be aweomse | 18:28 |
| elmiko | awesome even... ;) | 18:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, we need to understand - should we move codebase out of horizon or not | 18:28 |
| crobertsrh | Right...multiple questions surrounding this. | 18:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | from the efforts PoV it'll take I think 2-3 month to move the code, fix it and setup the CI / jobs | 18:29 |
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| tmckay | hi folks! I forgot, sorry | 18:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | let's make a separate etherpad for it and start collecting questions | 18:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | probably it'll require some RnD | 18:29 |
| crobertsrh | +1 | 18:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, hey! | 18:29 |
| tmckay | I will read the trace | 18:29 |
| * SergeyLukjanov creating | 18:30 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TYO-sahara-horizon-future | 18:30 |
| david-lyle | I started a pass at moving the code out of horizon, but far from done. Was going to use as an example | 18:30 |
| david-lyle | for plugins | 18:30 |
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| elmiko | oh nice, so you have been thinking about how to integrate external plugins? | 18:31 |
| egafford | david-lyle: That's great; makes a ton of sense. | 18:31 |
| david-lyle | yes, we have methods for having external plugins, just some questions around testing | 18:31 |
| elmiko | neat | 18:31 |
| crobertsrh | david-lyle: Great! If there is anything I can help with, let me know. | 18:31 |
| david-lyle | will do | 18:32 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | so, if it's going to happen anyway | 18:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we probably should sit on summit together, solve issue and make it happen in Mitaka | 18:32 |
| david-lyle | SergeyLukjanov: doesn't have to | 18:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | david-lyle | 18:32 |
| david-lyle | was experimenting | 18:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I mean due to the Big Tent | 18:33 |
| david-lyle | I think it would be better for both sides though | 18:33 |
| crobertsrh | Yes, I'm leaning +1 on our eviction. | 18:33 |
| cp16net | fwiw trove is in the contrib folder in horizon currently and trove still needs to figure out what the strategy is to move trove out of horizon to its own repo | 18:33 |
| david-lyle | I think trove would also benefit | 18:33 |
| crobertsrh | cp16net: sounds like a similar issue :) | 18:34 |
| cp16net | yup :) | 18:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I would say that if we'll solve plugin mechanism and testing questions than external repo will benefit all :) | 18:34 |
| david-lyle | sahara is actually a more complicated example | 18:34 |
| david-lyle | due to existing integration tests | 18:35 |
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| david-lyle | for reference https://github.com/openstack/horizon/blob/master/doc/source/plugins.rst | 18:37 |
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| crobertsrh | Next topic? | 18:39 |
| SergeyLukjanov | actually it's Open Discussion :) | 18:40 |
| tmckay | ok then! so, I just asked on openstack-sahara whether or not we think we will deprecate the python-saharaclient CLI during the M cycle. Because if we keep it, we should fix some things I think. | 18:40 |
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| tmckay | like, use positional arguments instead of --id and --name, and support name or id, etc | 18:40 |
| tmckay | to be more like other openstack things | 18:40 |
| elmiko | we should probably double down on the effort to continue moving things into the openstackclient | 18:41 |
| tmckay | that was my thought | 18:41 |
| elmiko | i'd be ok with deprecating, once we have everything in openstackcli | 18:41 |
| tmckay | but if the old CLI exists past M, we should fix it up, too | 18:41 |
| crobertsrh | Yeah, we should move to one CLI ASAP | 18:41 |
| elmiko | fix and improve are 2 different things though ;) | 18:41 |
| tmckay | sreshetnyak has been leading the work on that, I think, I wonder if he needs some help | 18:42 |
| elmiko | i hear a spec whistling in the distance... | 18:42 |
| elmiko | ;) | 18:42 |
| egafford | +1 to total deprecation of the old CLI for M being a priority. It's a fair bit of drag on the project to maintain both. | 18:42 |
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| tmckay | So, if the old CLI stopped working sometime in M, would anyone care? | 18:43 |
| elmiko | i think we would need to signal deprecation in M, but actually deprecate in N | 18:43 |
| crobertsrh | Right | 18:43 |
| tmckay | elmiko, depends on your definition of deprecate | 18:43 |
| elmiko | like have the cli throw up warnings for M | 18:43 |
| elmiko | i mean take out completely==deprecate | 18:43 |
| tmckay | elmiko, yes ... in my lingo, the warning is "deprecation", followed by removal | 18:44 |
| SergeyLukjanov | IMO we should just move to openstackclient and deprecate client CLI in Mitaka | 18:44 |
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| elmiko | tmckay: ok, cool | 18:44 |
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| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, so, remove in M, or warn in M and remove 1st day of N? | 18:44 |
| elmiko | ^ | 18:44 |
| elmiko | (wishes tosky was here) | 18:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay ++ for the warning is "deprecation", followed by removal | 18:45 |
| elmiko | ok, i'm +1 for that | 18:45 |
| crobertsrh | +1 SergeyLukjanov | 18:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | the only question when | 18:45 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | Andrey Pavlov is now actively working on implementing openstack client | 18:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | for sahara | 18:45 |
| tmckay | okay. So we can add a spec. I will try to ping sreshetnyak about it, since he seems to know both clients well | 18:45 |
| tmckay | oh, even better! | 18:46 |
| elmiko | adding the warning for M-1 with removal by N-1 seems appropriate | 18:46 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, or even earlier | 18:46 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | actually, we have some parts already implemented and merged | 18:46 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and other parts on review | 18:46 |
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| tmckay | okay, thanks. I was looking for things to fix, and this came up | 18:46 |
| SergeyLukjanov | AFAIK he was thinking to complete it till the summit | 18:46 |
| elmiko | oh wow, that would be awesome | 18:46 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I will ask him to write the spec for the current CLI deprecation and move to the new one | 18:47 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and IMO we could release last version of client with current CLI with deprecation warning and fully implemented new one | 18:47 |
| SergeyLukjanov | somewhere around summit | 18:47 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and then remove old CLI | 18:47 |
| elmiko | sounds good | 18:48 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | here is a spec actually - http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/sahara-specs/specs/saharaclient/cli-as-openstackclient-plugin.html for new CLI impl itself | 18:48 |
| tmckay | oh, I went to look for that right when vgridnev reminded me of the meeting :) | 18:49 |
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| vgridnev | tmckay, np | 18:50 |
| SergeyLukjanov | 10 mins left, anything else to discuss? | 18:50 |
| tmckay | thanks folks, probably nothing else to say about that | 18:50 |
| sreshetnyak | http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/sahara-specs/specs/saharaclient/cli-as-openstackclient-plugin.html#work-items | 18:51 |
| sreshetnyak | Old CLI will be deprecated and removed after some time | 18:51 |
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| sreshetnyak | I think need to update current spec and not need to create new spec | 18:52 |
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| tmckay | sreshetnyak, agreed, thanks | 18:52 |
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| elmiko | yea, probably not | 18:53 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | sreshetnyak, let's have a separated one for the old CLI deprecation | 18:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | to agree on dates / plans | 18:53 |
| tmckay | I knew this was in progress, but I was unsure of the schedule | 18:54 |
| tmckay | that also makes sense | 18:54 |
| tmckay | should be an easy spec | 18:54 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yeah | 18:54 |
| SergeyLukjanov | just a deprecation / removal plaj | 18:54 |
| sreshetnyak | I think current CLI should be deprecated in Mitaka release and should be removed in N release | 18:54 |
| tmckay | can list this one as a reference | 18:54 |
| tmckay | agreed | 18:54 |
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| tmckay | (we all agreed earlier) | 18:55 |
| elmiko | +1 | 18:55 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 18:56 |
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| sreshetnyak | SergeyLukjanov: I don't understand why we need to create two specs for implementation one feature | 18:57 |
| SergeyLukjanov | sreshetnyak, it's not a one feature, creating new CLI and removing old one - it's not backward compatible | 18:57 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | we need to explicitly track it IMO | 18:57 |
| egafford | It may also become more complex if we do implement a v2 API this cycle, | 18:58 |
| tmckay | v2, v2, v2, you will be so beautiful | 18:58 |
| egafford | 2 active clients x 2 API versions; we'd want to talk specifically about the support cycle for each bit of the matrix. | 18:58 |
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| tmckay | egafford, that is a very good point | 18:59 |
| sreshetnyak | SergeyLukjanov: I think it's a one feaure: Migration to OpenStack client | 18:59 |
| tmckay | should we vote? :) | 18:59 |
| * elmiko swoons for v2 | 19:00 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | let's continue in openstack-sahara | 19:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 1 19:00:18 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-10-01-18.00.html | 19:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thx folks! | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-10-01-18.00.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-10-01-18.00.log.html | 19:00 |
| elmiko | thanks SergeyLukjanov | 19:00 |
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| sriram | #startmeeting poppy | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 1 19:00:40 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sriram. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: poppy)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'poppy' | 19:00 |
| sriram | o/ | 19:00 |
| tonytan4ever | o/ | 19:00 |
| sriram | hello hello, anyone else joining us? | 19:01 |
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| cathR | o/ | 19:01 |
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| sriram | #topic Review last weeks Action Items | 19:02 |
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| sriram | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy/2015/poppy.2015-09-24-19.00.html | 19:02 |
| sriram | well, what do we have here.. | 19:02 |
| cpowell | \o | 19:03 |
| sriram | amit isnt here today, so I guess his action item will be carried forward. | 19:03 |
| sriram | hello there cpowell | 19:03 |
| sriram | #action amitgandhinz to resurrect https://review.openstack.org/143192 | 19:03 |
| sriram | Thats it under action items | 19:04 |
| tonytan4ever | Yeah, just roll over to next one. | 19:04 |
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| sriram | Moving on. | 19:04 |
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| sriram | #topic Liberty-3 updates | 19:04 |
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| sriram | #link https://launchpad.net/poppy/+milestone/liberty-3 | 19:04 |
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| sriram | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/akamai-ssl-driver | 19:05 |
| sriram | tonytan4ever: ^ | 19:05 |
| tonytan4ever | I will leave this one still in good progress. | 19:05 |
| sriram | do you have any patchsets to be reviewed? | 19:05 |
| tonytan4ever | The first part, create ssl cert endpoint is released and read for test. | 19:06 |
| sriram | lets put them up as actions items ;) | 19:06 |
| tonytan4ever | Ok | 19:06 |
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| sriram | #action Everyone to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224955/ | 19:06 |
| tonytan4ever | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224955/ this one needs further review | 19:06 |
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| sriram | I read your mind there ;) | 19:07 |
| tonytan4ever | And this one; https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227009/ | 19:07 |
| tonytan4ever | could use some review as well, | 19:07 |
| sriram | #action Everyone to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227009/ | 19:07 |
| sriram | awesome, we now have some action items, that means we cant get away without doing any work haha | 19:08 |
| tonytan4ever | Yeah | 19:08 |
| sriram | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/mimic-racksapce-dns | 19:08 |
| sriram | I think amit was working on this for a while, but he un-assigned himself. | 19:08 |
| sriram | if anyone has leverage, feel free to pick that up! | 19:09 |
| sriram | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/code-coverage | 19:09 |
| sriram | is miqui here? | 19:09 |
| sriram | I dont think so, I remember him mentioning that it was slow progress. | 19:10 |
| sriram | so I guess we can keep it at that | 19:10 |
| sriram | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/gate-api-tests | 19:10 |
| sriram | Again amit had some work there, I can pick that up soon. | 19:10 |
| sriram | the last one is Devstack | 19:11 |
| sriram | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/devstack | 19:11 |
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| sriram | miqui had picked it up, and had been working through it. malini also has some experience working with devstack, so if anyone wants to work on that. | 19:12 |
| sriram | They could be your go-to people. | 19:12 |
| sriram | tonytan4ever: ^ | 19:12 |
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| tonytan4ever | OK | 19:12 |
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| sriram | I think that pretty much covers our blueprints.. | 19:13 |
| * ametts arrived late. The dog ate his homework. | 19:13 | |
| sriram | anyone else have any updates on blueprints/bugs? | 19:13 |
| sriram | ametts: thats ok | 19:13 |
| sriram | we assigned you all the bugs | 19:13 |
| sriram | and you have one day! ;) | 19:14 |
| ametts | Drat. I hate it when that happens... | 19:14 |
| sriram | ha | 19:14 |
| sriram | I know there was one bug we referenced during last week, | 19:14 |
| * sriram looks it up | 19:14 | |
| sriram | https://bugs.launchpad.net/poppy/+bug/1443979 | 19:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1443979 in Poppy "API Tests - Negative tests fail for the wrong reason" [Medium,Confirmed] | 19:15 |
| sriram | malini had a patch in the works for this, which would make sure that if a negative test failed, it would be for the right reason. | 19:16 |
| sriram | example: domain_name too long, should not fail because there was a protocol error | 19:16 |
| sriram | etc | 19:16 |
| sriram | so on and so forth. | 19:16 |
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| sriram | I think addressing that will help a lot with our troubleshooting. | 19:16 |
| sriram | https://bugs.launchpad.net/poppy/+bug/1486103 | 19:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1486103 in Poppy "Fix Flaky tests due to Cassandra inconsistency issues" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Sriram (thesriram) | 19:17 |
| sriram | I have been dealing with this for a quite a while. | 19:17 |
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| sriram | reading about how batching works in cassandra, noticed that there is no isolation of statements within the batch, its atomic but eventually consistent. | 19:18 |
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| sriram | that is batchlog being written to co-ordinator nodes and two other nodes, but those operations could fail. | 19:18 |
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| sriram | and the cassandra-driver could still report success, which leaves the result in a inconsistent state. | 19:19 |
| sriram | and no-way to prove which state is consistent. | 19:19 |
| sriram | baah cassandra :P | 19:19 |
| sriram | Moving on from my rant haha. | 19:19 |
| * tonytan4ever looking at this cassandra feature | 19:19 | |
| * ametts was starting to think sriram is the only on in this meeting | 19:20 | |
| sriram | https://bugs.launchpad.net/poppy/+bug/1494430 | 19:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1494430 in Poppy "Services go into pending after exhausting max DNS retries" [Undecided,Fix committed] - Assigned to Sriram (thesriram) | 19:20 |
| sriram | ametts: lol | 19:20 |
| sriram | Now that bug has been fixed | 19:20 |
| tonytan4ever | Yeah | 19:20 |
| sriram | we added logic to failover, and mark entire service state as failed, if our dns retries didnt succeed. | 19:20 |
| tonytan4ever | I need to show my presence. I think this is the fix about fail task on retry exception | 19:21 |
| sriram | tonytan4ever: hahaha | 19:21 |
| tonytan4ever | lol | 19:21 |
| tonytan4ever | we could possibly use on_failure to do this | 19:21 |
| sriram | tonytan4ever: good point. | 19:21 |
| * sriram looks at the list of bugs | 19:22 | |
| sriram | https://bugs.launchpad.net/poppy/+bug/1421276 | 19:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1421276 in Poppy "api does not allow multiple origin with same IP, but different protocol" [Medium,New] | 19:22 |
| sriram | tonytan4ever: does that bug still exist? | 19:22 |
| tonytan4ever | That one should have been fixed, | 19:23 |
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| sriram | tonytan4ever: could you please confirm, that we can mark status on the bug to be fixed. | 19:23 |
| sriram | s/that/then | 19:23 |
| tonytan4ever | We will abandon protocol fields on origin in the future. I think it should be marked as invalid. | 19:24 |
| sriram | ok | 19:24 |
| sriram | https://bugs.launchpad.net/poppy/+bug/1496446 | 19:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1496446 in Poppy "API test domain replacement" [Undecided,New] | 19:24 |
| sriram | tonytan4ever: you reported this bug. | 19:24 |
| sriram | now, we already randomize our domains right? | 19:24 |
| tonytan4ever | Yes | 19:24 |
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| tonytan4ever | So we can say it is fixed. | 19:24 |
| sriram | aah | 19:25 |
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| sriram | ok | 19:25 |
| tonytan4ever | That is specifically targeted on the shared ssl domain replacement issue I fixed the other day. | 19:25 |
| sriram | ok just marked that as invalid. | 19:26 |
| sriram | https://bugs.launchpad.net/poppy/+bug/1408301 | 19:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1408301 in Poppy "PATCH Requests for Domains Returns Confusing Error Message" [High,Confirmed] | 19:26 |
| sriram | this bug has been sitting around for a long time. | 19:26 |
| sriram | I'll assign it to myself | 19:27 |
| sriram | and work in it. | 19:27 |
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| sriram | alrighty, I think that covers housekeeping on bugs. | 19:27 |
| sriram | Moving on to my favorite topic….. | 19:28 |
| * sriram drum roll | 19:28 | |
| sriram | #topic Open Discussion | 19:28 |
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| ametts | Well, that was certainly anti-climactic. | 19:28 |
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| cpowell | hahaha | 19:29 |
| sriram | alright, what do you guys want to talk about, tonytan4ever, cathR, ametts, cpowell | 19:29 |
| sriram | :P | 19:29 |
| tonytan4ever | Well there is a discussion on ip restriction support on CIDR formatted Ip address. | 19:29 |
| tonytan4ever | Right now poppy does not support CIDR yet, but Akamai policy API supports it. | 19:30 |
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| tonytan4ever | So We need to check in a PR to allow that. | 19:30 |
| sriram | tonytan4ever: hmm, how does that play out with us having same set of features across providers? | 19:30 |
| sriram | what about fastly, maxcdn etc/ | 19:30 |
| tonytan4ever | I don't know about those providers yet. | 19:31 |
| * tonytan4ever look fastly, maxcdn's ip restriction spec up. | 19:31 | |
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| sriram | #action tonytan4ever to look at fastly, maxcdn's ip restriction spec | 19:32 |
| sriram | after that we can make a decision. | 19:32 |
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| sriram | alright, anything else? | 19:33 |
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| sriram | going once | 19:34 |
| sriram | going twice | 19:34 |
| sriram | ….. | 19:34 |
| sriram | alright, thanks for coming folks. | 19:34 |
| ametts | Thanks, everyone. | 19:34 |
| sriram | see ya''ll next time. | 19:35 |
| sriram | #endmeeting poppy | 19:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 1 19:35:12 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy/2015/poppy.2015-10-01-19.00.html | 19:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy/2015/poppy.2015-10-01-19.00.txt | 19:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy/2015/poppy.2015-10-01-19.00.log.html | 19:35 |
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