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gongysh#startmeeting evoque13:03
openstackMeeting started Wed Oct 14 13:03:38 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gongysh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:03
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:03
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gongyshhello13:04
lawrancejing、013:04
lawrancejing\o13:04
lawrancejinghello13:04
lawrancejinghttps://github.com/openstack/evoque13:04
gongyshthank you to register this project13:04
lawrancejinglol13:04
gongysh#info project repo is https://github.com/openstack/evoque13:05
gongysh#link https://github.com/openstack/evoque13:05
lawrancejingwhere is liangbo..13:05
gongyshit seems you have set the repo up.13:06
lawrancejingyep13:06
gongyshhave you register this project with governance site?13:06
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lawrancejingi thought that we could start with simple ticket for evoque13:07
* gongysh is looking up the project creator task site13:07
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gongysh#link http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/creators.html#adding-the-project-to-the-ci-system13:09
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gongyshfind the Add New Repository to the Governance Repository section13:09
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gongyshlawrancejing: have you done it?13:10
lawrancejingi haven't add that13:10
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gongyshso will you add it?13:10
lawrancejingof course13:10
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gongysh#action lawrancejing will add project into governance repo13:11
lawrancejinghave someone tried the service : http://freshservice.com/13:11
gongyshno for me13:12
gongyshdid any one?13:12
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gongyshshake also recommended this one https://www.otrs.com/solutions/?lang=zh-hans13:13
EinstCrazynot either13:13
zhangjnmay referance itil13:13
lawrancejingi'm not very clear about adding project into governance repo:   Temporary proposal for big tent adoption of senlin-->  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234162/13:13
lawrancejingITIL  and ITSM13:14
lawrancejingfreshservice   just like ITSM13:14
gongyshok, a good reference from senlin13:15
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zhangjnhttps://www.axelos.com/best-practice-solutions/itil.aspx?utm_source=itil-officialsite&utm_medium=redirect&utm_campaign=redirects13:15
gongysh#info reference senlin about join big tent  at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234162/13:15
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gongyshso we have so many reference sample, it is a good start13:16
lawrancejingNext meeting we should add some agenda..:)13:16
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zhangjn:)13:17
gongyshso let's discuss who will cover what reference system.13:17
gongyshzhangjn cover itil?13:17
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lawrancejingi will cover the freshservice13:18
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gongyshlawrancejing: great13:18
gongyshzhangjn, what about your itil?13:19
nick-maso, it is not just a ticket mgmt system?13:19
EinstCrazyGood13:19
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yangyapengGood13:19
lawrancejingnick-ma from awcloud, welcome:)13:19
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gongyshnick-ma: it depends how to define the 'ticket'?13:20
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nick-mayes, so i just wonder what the project scope is.13:20
gongyshnick-ma: when I first see the evoque, a ticket system, I thought about 12306.13:20
lawrancejingit depens, but the evoque is for operations, anyway13:20
lawrancejinggongysh: lol13:21
zhangjnI will cover ITIL which part of ticket.13:21
lawrancejingagree with nick-ma, we should clearify the project scope13:22
zhangjnITIL is so big that I can't cover it.13:22
gongyshlet us review some famous system, such as itil, freshservice first13:22
gongyshzhangjn, we just need ticket part.13:22
lawrancejingor we'll lose ourself。13:22
zhangjnI can give you more info about ITIL.13:22
lawrancejingcool, thanks zhangjn13:23
gongyshafter we have some knowledge, we can start define our model.13:23
gongyshdo we use pecan?13:23
EinstCrazyHe has studied ITIL for some time13:23
lawrancejingpecan pecan pecan13:24
gongyshzhangjn: for fudang university program?13:24
yangyapengfudan?13:24
gongysh#startvote pecan, pecan, pecan13:24
openstackUnable to parse vote topic and options.13:24
gongysh#startvote pecan pecan pecan13:24
openstackUnable to parse vote topic and options.13:24
EinstCrazyFor Tianjin13:24
gongysh#startvote pecan paste13:25
openstackUnable to parse vote topic and options.13:25
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zhangjnhttp://pan.baidu.com/s/1jGHAMZ813:27
gongysh#startvote what teck to form our API? pecan, paste13:27
openstackBegin voting on: what teck to form our API? Valid vote options are pecan, paste.13:27
openstackVote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.13:27
gongysh#vote pecan13:27
zhangjnthis is book for ITIL in my share link.13:27
nick-mavote pecan13:27
nick-ma#vote pecan13:27
lawrancejingvote pecan13:27
nick-ma#13:28
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zhangjnvote pecan13:28
lawrancejing#vote pecan13:28
gongyshstart with #13:28
zhangjn#vote pecan13:28
EinstCrazy#vote pecan13:28
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gongyshliangbo:  what teck to form our API? pecan, paste13:29
gongysh#showvote13:29
openstackpecan (5): lawrancejing, gongysh, zhangjn, EinstCrazy, nick-ma13:29
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liangbo#vote pecan13:30
gongyshit seems unanimous vote.13:30
gongysh#endvote13:30
openstackVoted on "what teck to form our API?" Results are13:30
openstackpecan (6): gongysh, nick-ma, zhangjn, EinstCrazy, liangbo, lawrancejing13:30
zhangjnZZzz13:31
gongyshso what other stuff to discuss?13:31
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gongysh#topic open discuss13:31
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lawrancejingwhat' the work of next week?13:31
gongyshlearn some advanced ticket system13:32
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gongyshI thought you know what to do.13:32
lawrancejingyep13:33
nick-mai suggest to use etherpad for collaboration. any ideas related with project scope need to be recorded and shared with others.13:33
gongyshnext week, we will have zhangjn, lawrancejing to report new discovery about ticket system.13:33
EinstCrazyWell, what should be produced after learning? architecture?13:34
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lawrancejingshould use etherpad13:34
lawrancejingnice for collaboration13:34
gongyshnick-ma, I think we will have it in our project's doc.13:34
gongyshetherpad is also good for discuss, after that we will make it into project's doc.13:35
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lawrancejingdoc is fine, but i prefer etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/evoque13:36
lawrancejingmake some conclusion into docs.13:36
gongyshfine13:37
nick-mayou decide.13:37
gongyshwe will use etherpad for daily work tool13:37
gongysh#info use etherpad for daily work tool https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/evoque13:38
gongyshanything else?13:38
lawrancejingnot for me13:38
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gongyshone more thing, how to promote this project to attract more guys in13:39
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gongyshany idea?13:40
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lawrancejingnick-ma13:40
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gongyshnick-ma: how does your system resolve the ticket part?13:40
nick-mai think we need to make version 0.1 first, define project scope, use cases, functionality/test framework.13:41
nick-mawe use otrs, an open source ticket mgmt system. :-) so i know about it.13:41
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nick-mabut i have no idea about ITIL/ITSM systems. they are too huge to use for SMB.13:42
gongyshnick-ma: project scope is to form a ticket system13:42
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zhangjnredmine is a good ticket mgmt system :)13:43
gongyshnick-ma: can you begin to write some use cases?13:43
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gongyshnick-ma: today I also got some knowledge from OTRS13:44
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nick-maof course i can.13:45
gongyshnick-ma: thanks13:45
gongysh#action nick-ma will help to create first use cases.13:45
gongyshliangbo, do u have any idea?13:46
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nick-ma btw, redmine doesn't support delegation, afaik.13:46
gongyshqueue is alos cool from OTRS13:47
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liangboI think we should implement the first 0.1, curd just fine. then we talk about BPM part.13:48
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gongyshliangbo: curd what, don't we need some base models first?13:49
lawrancejingmaybe some sample crud13:49
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nick-mafirst define the base model of objects and interaction among them.13:50
lawrancejingso the research and crud at the same time13:50
gongyshwe can set up the pecan framework, and client project13:51
lawrancejingand i could lead the dashboard:)13:52
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gongyshlawrancejing: sure, that is your dish.13:52
gongyshwho can set pecan framework?13:53
gongyshliangbo?13:53
lawrancejingEinstCrazy?13:53
gongyshEinstCrazy,  the ATOM guy?13:54
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liangbogongysh, don't you think that's an architect work?13:54
EinstCrazyI'm YuChangcai13:54
yangyapeng?13:54
gongyshEinstCrazy, got it, Einstain.13:55
EinstCrazy...13:55
gongyshliangbo, could you help?13:55
gongysh5 more mins ...13:55
yangyapengdiaozhatian13:55
lawrancejinghmm, we'll help you with the work13:55
lawrancejingliangbo's busy with angularjs13:56
gongyshok,  let's do it after meeting.13:56
lawrancejingliangbo lead me  to the angular way, thanks liangbo13:56
gongysh#endmeeting13:57
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings"13:57
openstackMeeting ended Wed Oct 14 13:57:07 2015 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)13:57
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/evoque/2015/evoque.2015-10-14-13.03.html13:57
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/evoque/2015/evoque.2015-10-14-13.03.txt13:57
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/evoque/2015/evoque.2015-10-14-13.03.log.html13:57
lawrancejingback to @openstack-evoque13:57
gongyshyes13:57
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gongyshthanks you all.13:58
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sgordon#startmeeting telcowg14:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Oct 14 14:01:40 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sgordon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:01
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sgordon#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda14:01
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sgordon#topic roll call14:01
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sgordon\o/14:01
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cloudonhi14:02
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sgordoncloudon, hiya14:03
sgordon#topic actions from last week14:03
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sgordon#info sgordon was to email nova/neutron developers about reviewing SBC use case14:03
* sgordon apologizes profusely14:03
sgordoni was OoO for a few days (Thu->Tue)14:04
sgordonso that hasnt happened yet14:04
sgordon#action sgordon to email nova/neutron developers about reviewing SBC use case14:04
cloudonnp14:04
sgordonso i will carry it over and hopefully get on it today14:04
sgordon#action cloudon to handle raising a backlog spec or RFE bug for disabling connection tracking14:04
sgordonwhoops14:04
sgordon#undo14:04
openstackRemoving item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Action object at 0x9ca6650>14:04
sgordon#info cloudon was to handle raising a backlog spec or RFE bug for disabling connection tracking14:04
cloudonyup, that just happened14:04
sgordoncloudon, any time to progress there?14:04
sgordonawesome :)14:05
cloudonsee https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/150607614:05
openstackLaunchpad bug 1506076 in neutron "Allow connection tracking to be disabled per-port" [Undecided,New]14:05
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sgordon#info cloudon has raised this as https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/150607614:05
sgordonlooks good14:05
cloudonhopefully has right level of explanation for RFE process etc but comments welcome14:05
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sgordoni think it does based on the others i have seen14:05
sgordonthey want it to be pretty high level so they can work out implementation14:06
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cloudonam I right that next step is triage at weekly neutron driver meeting?14:06
sgordonyes14:06
cloudoncool, will try to tag along for that14:06
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sgordon#topic reviews14:07
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sgordon#info Need another +2 on this housekeeping change from infra: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225904/14:07
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sgordon#action sgordon to email core team about infra housekeeping change14:07
sgordon#info affinity gap draft backlog spec at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224325/ has received limited feedback14:08
sgordon#action sgordon to integrate cloudon's feedback and bump the spec14:08
sgordoni also need to reach out to a few people with specs in this area14:08
sgordonthere are couple of different related use cases14:09
cloudonthat would be great14:09
sgordone.g. jay's proposal to have a do-over on server groups and the soft affinity proposal14:09
sgordonneed to ensure there is visibility of this requirement in those discussions14:09
cloudondo you have any links for those?14:09
sgordontwo seconds14:09
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sgordon#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/212504/14:12
sgordonis one of them14:12
sgordoni am having trouble finding jay's as he put it up ages ago so it's way back in the queue14:12
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cloudoninteresting, thanks - will think about overlap or even if it supercedes14:14
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sgordoncloudon, well i think the main difference between what is currently discussed and what your gap was14:14
sgordonis that the current proposals dont as far as i can recall handle the "group of groups"14:15
sgordonthey handle policy for a single group of VMs14:15
sgordonnot the concept of having a (possibly different policy) between those VMs and another group of them14:15
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cloudonok, makes sense - will need to think about that14:16
sgordonah found it14:16
sgordon#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/183837/14:16
sgordonthat is jay's proposal14:16
sgordonworth reading and thinking about14:17
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sgordon#topic Tokyo working group plan of action14:17
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sgordoni probably need to start an email thread on this14:17
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sgordonsince it's getting pretty lonely in the weekly meeting....14:17
sgordonmy thinking was assuming that we have the numbers to break up into groups similar to the second half of the session in vancouver14:18
sgordonto try bounce around a couple of new use cases14:18
sgordon(probably we need better minutes next time :))14:18
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cloudonagree - I'm planning to submit one on HA & multi-site in time for Tokyo14:18
sgordonhow much have you been following the opnfv multi-site project?14:20
sgordone.g.14:21
cloudonquite closely - one of my colleagues was participating14:21
sgordon#link https://launchpad.net/kingbird14:21
sgordonok cool14:21
sgordonas long as we're aware of where everyone's toes are14:21
sgordonit might be worth inviting that group to the meeting if you want to have that as one of the breakouts14:21
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cloudonagreed14:23
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sgordon#action sgordon to email openstack-dev, openstack-operators, and opnfv-tech-discuss with draft tokyo session plan14:24
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sgordonalright, thanks for your time - emails all round14:25
sgordon#endmeeting14:25
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cloudonbye14:26
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rkukurahi ML2er’s16:01
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yamamotohi16:01
yamahatahello16:01
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rkukuraI know sukhdev is unavailable today16:01
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rkukuraIs anyone other than myself, yamamoto, and yamahata here for the ML2 meeting?16:03
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rkukuraI’m not seeing many of the regulars16:03
rkukuraI’m willing to wait a few more minutes, but I don’t think 3 of us consititutes quorom, so maybe we will skip today’s ML2 meeting16:05
yamamoto+116:05
yamahata+1, except summit logistics.16:06
yamahatado ML2 team have its own meeting?16:06
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yamahatajust meeting on Friday might be too late. people may leave on Friday. So it would be desirable to have meeting early.16:07
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rkukurayamahata: I’m not aware of any scheduled ML2-specific meetings at the summit, but certainly many of the topics will involve ML216:07
rkukurayamahata: I agree Friday afternoon is too late (I’m on a 6:30 flight from Narita for instance)16:08
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rkukurayamahata: I think we should cover what we can during sessions in armax’s schedule: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-October/076817.html16:09
rkukuraand arrange informal discussions of other topics before Friday if possible16:10
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rkukuraI’m canceling today’s ML2 meeting due to low attendance. Lets focus next week on what we need to accomplish during the summit the following week.16:11
yamahatayamamoto: any update on security group?16:11
yamamotonothing.16:11
yamamotoany sprint recap?16:11
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yamahatathe consensus is to create base class of mechanism driver for async with taskflow16:13
rkukurayamamoto, yamahata was going to cover sprint recap on todays agenda, but we’ll do that next week. Several of us were also supposed to send out recap emails on openstack-dev for various topics, but I don’t see any of them yet.16:13
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rkukurayamahata: Related to the async, we kevinbenton is adding sequence numbers to neutron resources that will be useful for synchronization, and we do seem to need some way to expose combined driver status in the resources16:15
rkukuraBut we did not find a strong need to coordinate the actions of different drivers within persistent tasks - individual drivers can do this themselves (potentially using a base class framework) if needed16:16
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yamamotoi agree there's no strong need to be same16:17
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yamamotoit seems we've done?16:20
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rkukurayamahata, yamamoto: I think we got concensus that individual drivers will fall into and out of sync with the desired state asynchronously/spontaneously, so there isn’t much point in trying to expose a rigorous state machine indicating exactly when all drivers have synchronized to the state after a particular client REST call. A driver being out of sync may affect only a portion of the physcial and virtual resources, and much of the system m16:20
rkukurawork fine.16:20
rkukurayamamoto: We cancelled today’s meeting, so we are done for now16:21
rkukuraI’m updating the agenda to reflect that16:21
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yamamotothank you16:22
yamahatathanks, bye16:22
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rkukurabye16:23
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mugsie#startmeeting Designate17:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Oct 14 17:00:12 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'designate'17:00
mugsie#topic Roll Call17:00
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mugsieso, who is around?17:00
KiallHeya17:00
pglasso/17:00
pglasstimsim is not at his desk17:01
mugsietut tut17:01
KiallGuess we give folks a few mins?17:01
mugsieyeah, say another 2-3 mins17:01
mugsieOK...17:03
mugsieI think we should start17:03
mugsie#topic Announcements17:03
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mugsieany one have any announcements?17:04
KiallNope, none from me17:04
mugsieOK then17:04
elarsono/17:04
mugsie#topic Action Items from last week17:04
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mugsiekiall backport 0c034d117:04
Kialldone +  up for review17:05
mugsiemugsie finish investigations on his bugs17:05
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mugsienot done17:05
mugsie#action mugsie finish investigations on his bugs17:05
mugsieKiall sync with rel-man for backports of 94dfad3 and c59a2a017:05
Kialldone, not in17:05
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mugsieall to test https://review.openstack.org/#/c/212213/17:05
mugsiedid anyone get a chance to look at it?17:06
Kialllooked, not tested yet17:06
mugsietimsim: elarson - did yoiu have a chance?17:06
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timsimNope17:07
pglasshaven't touched it17:07
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mugsie#topic Bug Triage (timsim - recurring)17:07
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mugsietimsim: over to you :)17:07
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timsimhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/150560517:07
openstackLaunchpad bug 1505605 in Designate "Designate setup error" [Undecided,New]17:07
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mugsiehummm17:08
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KiallLooks like user error?17:08
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mugsiei think so17:08
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mugsiecan someone try and replicate?17:08
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mugsieif we can't just close17:08
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KiallI will17:09
mugsie#action Kiall investiagte 150560517:09
timsimcool. I'll assign it to Kiall then17:09
mugsie++17:09
Kiall(sorry - someone who used to be here in this office arrived in, now a pile of people chatting to / around us.. heh)17:09
timsimhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/python-designateclient/+bug/150449417:10
openstackLaunchpad bug 1504494 in python-designateclient "Remove name argument from zone update " [Undecided,New]17:10
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mugsieis this a duplicate?17:10
KiallHigh - no MS on client stuff17:10
timsimI think the recordset one happened. but not this one17:11
mugsieah17:11
mugsiethen H17:11
timsimTriaged M17:11
timsim?17:11
KiallOh, I'll ask ekarlso to look at it tomorrow.17:11
ekarlsoeyey17:11
ekarlso:p17:11
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ekarlsowhat's up ? :p17:11
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Kiallcan you dig into https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-designateclient/+bug/1504494 tomorrow? Should be a 10 min fix :)17:11
openstackLaunchpad bug 1504494 in python-designateclient "Remove name argument from zone update " [High,Triaged]17:11
mugsieekarlso: scrollback :p17:11
timsimAlright, cool. That's it for bugs :)17:12
Kiall(if even)17:12
mugsiecool17:12
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mugsie#topic Stable Backport Triage (kiall - recurring)17:12
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Kiall#link http://paste.hpcloud.net/show/4935/17:12
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KiallAs usual, take a few nominate for K / L17:12
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mugsie#action mugsie update review dashboard to show Kilo / Liberty17:13
KiallTo K and L?17:13
Kialla0496ab Merge "Clear out pyc files before a tox run"17:13
Kiall1b44c45 Merge "retry creates/deletes in the pool manager" <-- Not 100% sure on this one17:13
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Kiallmugsie: lol17:13
timsimKiall: Why not?17:13
KiallOH17:13
Kialllol17:13
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KiallI used paste.hpcloud.net17:13
timsimYeah, that's not working :)17:14
KiallAre you on the HP VPN?17:14
Kiall#link http://paste.openstack.org/show/476291/17:14
mugsietimsim: yeah, I really hope it wouldnt17:14
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timsimSorry, dropped vpn for a minute there :P17:14
mugsiejust those 217:14
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mugsiehas been a quite week17:14
mugsiequiet*17:14
KiallRC/L release week, always is :)17:14
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mugsieOK, any voulenteers for ^17:15
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timsimI spose I can do mine.17:15
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mugsie:)17:15
mugsieKiall: want to do yours?17:16
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KiallSure.. Why not17:16
mugsie:)17:16
Kiall(I had typed something longer...)17:16
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mugsie#topic Designate/Neutron Integration Update (mlavalle - recurring)17:16
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mugsiemlavalle is not here today17:16
mugsiebut, he said .....17:16
mugsie<   mlavalle> | mugsie: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/212213/ is passing the Jenkins tests now. I even got a +117:17
mugsie<   mlavalle> | mugsie: I also coded the first version of the change in Nova. It is working fine in my sandbox. I will push to Gerrit this week to start the review cycle. But here you can find an example that I executed yesterday: http://paste.openstack.org/show/476210/17:17
mugsieso, to re-iterate - we need to test that patch :)17:17
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mugsieunfortunatly our workshop will overlap with the nova + neutron + designate talk, so me, timsim and elarson wont get to see the live demo17:18
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KiallI think most everyone is in some form of rush at the moment, with the tokyo week squashing all the other deadlines ;)17:18
Kiallmugsie: get it moved!17:18
mugsie(we will just be doing 50 - 60 live demos simultaniously)17:18
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timsimYeah I'd love to heckle Kiall from the audience.17:19
mugsieKiall: yeah, I know I am, but if anyone has a spare hour or so it would be good17:19
KiallOkay, will do what I can :)17:20
mugsietimsim: I watched the video of our workshop in VA last week - you managed to heckle Kiall during a talk you were giving :p17:20
mugsieany questionns on this should probably go to the mailing list / irc room17:20
mugsie#topic The big refactor: Domain -> Zone (mugsie)17:20
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mugsieso. the time is close.17:21
mugsieI propose that for the week after Tokyo, we freeze development on master17:21
mugsieand do the re name17:21
mugsieand just the rename17:21
timsimIt has to be one monster patch, yeah?17:22
KiallI'd have said 1 more week after that, giving time for ant L bug reports and so on to trickle in, so we can BP patches easily.17:22
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Kialltimsim: yea, I think it has to be 1 monster patch.17:22
mugsieKiall: we have said that for 2 releasaes now17:22
mugsieback ports are going to be a pain17:23
Kiallmugsie: set a date, do it.. I'm not saying "Wait until forever"17:23
mugsiebut we just need to bite the bullet17:23
KiallJust, 7 days post tokyo is short..17:23
timsimKiall will still be deathly ill by that point17:23
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Kialltimsim: ++17:23
timsimI'd give it another week too mugsie17:23
Kialltimsim: +++ again17:24
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mugsieand ... back17:24
Kiallmugsie:'s PC just froze17:24
Kiall(he's talking over the desk @ me)17:24
mugsieso Nov 10th -> 13th ?17:24
timsimseems legit.17:25
KiallYea, that works.17:25
mugsieI highly doubt that it will make any difference, but if thats what people want :)17:25
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mugsie#action mugsie email the ML about the freeze for master from 10th Nov -> 13th Nov17:25
mugsiethat means that Monday 9th is monster merge day :D17:26
mugsieso we can try and have as little patches as possible in flight17:26
KiallAh - I was getting confused there ;)17:26
KiallRight, land everything and anything we can pre-rename,.17:26
mugsieyeha17:27
mugsie#topic Skip Meetings for 2 weeks17:27
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mugsieso, with the amount of travelling that is going to be going on, and all the other stuff around a a summit, I suggest we skip the next 2 meetings17:27
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timsim+117:28
mugsie#startvote Skip Next 2 Weeks?17:28
openstackBegin voting on: Skip Next 2 Weeks? Valid vote options are Yes, No.17:28
openstackVote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.17:28
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timsim#vote Yes17:28
KiallI think we should all join this meet at 2am local in Tokyo.17:28
Kiall#vote Yes17:28
Kiall;)17:28
* timsim hopes he's not awake for that, but has a feeling he will be17:28
Kiall(Effectivly nobody made it today ;))17:28
mugsie#endvote17:28
openstackVoted on "Skip Next 2 Weeks?" Results are17:28
mugsiewow the bot is slow17:29
timsimNice openstack17:29
Kiallor broke17:29
timsimWHAT ARE THE RESULTS?!?!?17:29
KiallI think we can take a guess ;)17:29
mugsie#topic Open Discussion17:29
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KiallWith what, 3-5 people in attendance today ;)17:29
mugsieany off agenda items?17:29
KiallMost of them distracted and /or lurking17:29
timsimReview pls https://review.openstack.org/#/c/230770/17:29
mugsiehttp://i.imgur.com/Bawecyo.jpg17:29
timsimThose are sexy ^17:29
mugsietimsim: will do after this :)17:29
* timsim hopes he ends up with like 10 flash drives in his pocket this year. 17:30
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mugsiejmcbride will wantr a few methinks :)17:30
KiallI may pike most of them before we even get to tokyo17:30
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mugsiemid cycle17:30
timsim"Sorry guys we've only got ten flash drives for this workshop, they've all disappeared"17:30
mugsieI knoiw it very early to think about it17:31
Kiall:D17:31
timsimIreland in January. brrrr17:31
mugsiebut - I may be floating a few possible dates / places over the next few weeks17:31
mugsiejust as a heads up17:31
mugsietimsim: its not *that* bad17:32
mugsieyou may freeze to death17:32
Kialllol17:32
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mugsieOK,. anything else ?17:32
* timsim will be on the lookout for dates17:32
mugsie317:32
mugsie217:32
KiallYES!17:32
KiallActually, no.17:32
mugsie117:32
Kiall;)17:32
timsim:troll:17:33
mugsie#endmeeting17:33
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings"17:33
openstackMeeting ended Wed Oct 14 17:33:04 2015 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)17:33
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-10-14-17.00.html17:33
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-10-14-17.00.txt17:33
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mugsietimsim: IRC != slack :P17:33
timsimhttp://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/princesstutu/images/3/3e/Troll_Face.png/revision/latest?cb=2014011101445817:33
timsimNo fun.17:33
timsim:docker:17:33
timsimNone of them work.17:33
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federico3.oO(docker?)17:34
timsimhubot gif me dockah dockah dockah17:34
timsimhubot?17:34
timsimdamnit17:34
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cp16net#startmeeting trove18:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Oct 14 18:00:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is cp16net. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:00
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cp16net#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting18:00
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amrith.18:00
cp16net#topic roll call18:00
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amrith./18:00
cp16nethowdy yall18:00
amrithhowdy cp16net18:00
dougshelley66o/18:00
peterstaco?18:00
vkmco/18:01
SlickNikhey there trove folks!18:01
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cp16net#topic Trove pulse update18:02
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cp16net#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-pulse-update18:02
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schango/18:02
edmondko/18:02
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cp16netso i expanded what peterstac did last time18:03
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cp16net#link http://bit.ly/1VQyg0018:03
danritchieo/18:03
cp16netlet me know if you cant see the graphs18:03
amrithlooks good, am able to see them.18:03
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cp16netcool18:04
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SlickNikCan see them here too — nice work!18:04
mvandijk./18:04
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cp16netwe are trending up on the reviews in the last couple weeks18:05
atomic77o/18:05
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cp16neti think it looks pretty cool18:06
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vgnbkro/18:06
cp16netif ther are suggestions for other stats let me know18:06
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peterstaccp16net, I just noticed that the timeline on the Total Reviews graph seems to be backwards18:07
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cp16nethmm yeah i didnt realize that18:07
cp16neti'll see if i can fix that18:07
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peterstacAll the others seem fine18:07
cp16netprobably just a setting of the graph18:07
peterstacok, no biggie, looks great!18:08
cp16netok so then i take back my statement of trendingup18:08
cp16net:-P18:08
amrithI thought I was missing something so didn't want to say anything ;)18:08
cp16netpretty flat line since the milestone18:08
cp16net#action cp16net fix the timeline on total reviews graph18:08
amrithopen reviews however is trending up ...18:08
cp16netyep18:09
cp16netok anything else there?18:09
cp16net#topic action items from last week18:10
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cp16neti still ask about remote participation at the summit18:11
cp16net#action cp16net check on remote participation at summit18:11
cp16neti'll make sure i have that this week18:11
cp16netamrith: double checked your tickets :-P18:12
edmondkI also still would like to have some type of audio/video meeting like we talked about in sunnyvale18:12
edmondkWould be helpful for some of the larger int tests review etc18:12
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edmondkand some of the blueprints18:12
amrithcp16net, my tickets are good.18:12
cp16netedmondk: we talked about replacing this meeting with a google chat or soemthing similar18:13
cp16netedmondk: but i think even using something like that for focusing on reviewing large features would be great18:14
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amrithclarification please ... this meeting as in the trove weekly meeting?18:14
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cp16netamrith: yes thats what i thought we were talking about at the midcycle18:14
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amrithI believe that it was somethng else18:15
amrithif I recall correctly it was for summit18:15
amrithand as far as a openstack project is concerned, you have to use IRC, I think ....18:15
amrithisn't that part of the "openstack way".18:15
edmondkwe can continue to use IRC, but at times I would like do what we did at mid cycle and go through reviews from the person who commited18:16
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cp16neti saw a cinder meeting that took place on google hangouts that was recorded18:16
edmondkFor example: peter going through this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234461/ for everyone would be a good example18:16
cp16neti personally like the weekly meetings on irc18:16
edmondkwe would still have these this is something extra18:16
amrithI like extras18:16
edmondklol18:16
cp16netbut setting up another meeting to go over reviews would be good18:16
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cp16netespecially big reviews18:17
amrithdougshelley66 loves meetings18:17
edmondkit doesn't have to be a normal cadence for reviews that are large and have been idle would be good to set aside some time and meet in google hangouts18:17
edmondkand discuss through it18:17
cp16neti agree edmondk18:17
edmondkif anything it forces us to look at the review at that time18:17
edmondkwithout distraction18:17
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cp16netedmondk: want to put together a meeting to look at that review?18:18
edmondksure18:18
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cp16netthat would be great18:19
amrithsounds great18:19
amrithlet's dry run it ...18:19
cp16net#action edmondk setup hangout meeting or something to look over https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234461/18:19
cp16netyeah18:19
peterstacedmondk, well, we should probably do the spec first :)18:19
peterstac(or at the same time)18:19
edmondkyeah18:19
cp16netsame time would be good as a refresher18:19
peterstacyep, I'm good with that18:20
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edmondksince you have both it would be good to talk through it18:20
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cp16netok so i've started looking over the blueprints we have and still need to get through them18:20
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cp16neti'll continue on this today18:20
cp16net#action cp16net priotitize blueprints for mitaka18:21
cp16netvkmc create an etherpad with the concerns raised with the tenant isolation solution for the trove deployment concern18:21
cp16netvkmc: any headway on this?18:21
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vkmccp16net, not really18:21
cp16neti dont recall seeing a link18:22
vkmcsorry about that18:22
cp16netok no worries18:22
vkmcI got some useful information from amrith and dougshelley66 on that regard18:22
amrithvkmc, maybe I can submit the stuff to the etherpad ;)18:22
vkmcso putting that information instead of concerns only would be probably better :)18:22
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vkmclet's do that now18:22
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vkmc#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-guestagent-security18:23
cp16netexcellent18:23
amrithsounds good, I have stuff to put in it ;)18:23
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cp16netok the last action item i see is adding item we would like from oslo.messaging and/or oslo.*18:24
amrithyes18:24
amrithI have two things for that18:24
amrithand I've submitted them18:24
amrithalso, there was an oslo survey that went out today18:24
amrithpeople should consider filling that18:25
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amrithif you don't have a link, check your openstack-dev mailing list ;)18:25
amrith#link https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/QKMVDG618:25
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cp16netgreat18:25
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amrithIn parallel, I've made some requests of oslo18:26
* amrith scampers to find links18:26
pmackinnscampers?18:26
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amrithhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.messaging/+bug/150452518:26
openstackLaunchpad bug 1504525 in oslo.messaging "oslo messaging should provide a mechansim to generate a completely encrypted channel" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Amrith (amrith)18:26
amrithhttp://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/scampers18:26
amrithalso a couple of conversations about oslo.messaging exposing a user and ACL API18:27
cp16netcool that could be helpful for the security issues that were brought up18:28
amrithcp16net, I had made a presentation which would address this "security concern"18:28
amrithI'm going to share that as a blogpost or something18:28
amrithI'll share a link on mailing list as well18:29
cp16netnice yeah that would be a great idea18:29
cp16netok then i think that wrapps up the actions18:29
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cp16net#topic Mitaka Summit Sessions18:29
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cp16net#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-trove-summit18:29
cp16netwe've had alot of great ideas here18:30
cp16netjust a reminder to add topics that we should think about for the summit18:31
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cp16neti added a few other things to be bottom in Other Topics18:32
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cp16net#topic Mitaka Mid-Cycle18:33
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cp16netwe've been talking about having the next midcycle in raleigh NC18:34
pmackinnhttp://bit.ly/1LMvFcE18:34
cp16netlol18:34
pmackinnyou're all welcome...except for amrith18:34
dougshelley66but we need his credit card18:34
pmackinnah good point18:34
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cp16netpmackinn: has held the dates of Feb 9-11 201618:35
amrithpmackinn, I promise to bring your glasses18:35
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pmackinnamrith, come on down!18:35
amrithor maybe SlickNik has them, not sure.18:35
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cp16netthis should be far enough ahead and the dates are tues-thurs18:36
vkmcwhen mid-cycle should happen?18:36
SlickNikI'm good with Feb 9-11 — I'm not sure I have pmackinn's glasses though :)18:36
amrithpmackinn, I'm good with 2/9-2/11 and SlickNik may not have your glasses ;)18:37
cp16netvkmc: are you asking if this is a reasonable date to hold a midcycle?18:37
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amrithmaybe cp16net, edmondk or shayneburgess. not sure who I gave them to.18:37
pmackinnthere are two hotels adjacent: full Marriott or full Sheraton. preference?18:37
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vkmccp16net, nope, just asking when is generally midcycle happens :)18:38
amrithNo intercontinental, ritz, four seasons or  waldorf astoria class hotel ;)18:38
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amrithvkmc, usually we've been holding them between summits18:39
amrithwe've also been trying to give people a lot of notice18:39
amrithso they can plan around these dates.18:39
cp16netvkmc: generally its been about a month or 2 before the final release cut18:39
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vkmcwell, looking at the roadmap, it should happen between M-2 and M-318:39
amrithas we found in the last situation, having it sooner is better.18:39
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cp16neti think this last one was too close to the final release which had us rushing patches18:40
amrithhaving it between m2 and m3 would have us in more of a rush than we did this time around18:40
cp16net#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mitaka_Release_Schedule18:40
cp16netyeah i think this is a good time to have it18:40
vkmchttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mitaka_Release_Schedule18:40
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vkmcoh there18:40
vkmchehe18:40
cp16net:-P{18:40
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amrithand, fyi, 2/9 to 2/11 is between m2 and m318:40
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vkmcso February, cool18:41
dougshelley66exactly18:41
cp16netyea18:41
dougshelley66hopefully Ralleigh won't be so cool18:41
dougshelley66in February18:41
cp16netalright so it doesnt sound liek there are any issues with the dates18:41
cp16netlets move forward with them then18:42
amriththanks for setting this up pmackinn and thx to RedHat (one word) for sponsoring18:42
pmackinnRed Hat, dammit18:42
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cp16netbtw thanks pmackinn and redhat for hosting :)18:42
pmackinnRed Hat, dammit18:42
dougshelley66RedHat, RedHat, RedHat18:42
cp16net:)18:42
pmackinnaaarrrrgggh18:43
amrithUbuntu is one word.18:43
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cp16netalright moving on18:43
cp16net#topic gate issues with tox tests18:43
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amrith#link https://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/redhat_hat.jpg18:43
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amrithyes, I'm looking into tox issues18:43
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amrithat least, one that I noticed starting yesterday afternoon18:44
cp16netso it looks like we have an issue with the fake tests starting18:44
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amrithfor those who don't know about it yet18:44
amrithif you run tox -e py27 ... it hangs18:44
amriththe issue is that there is something in the event_simulator that is getting hosed18:44
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amrithsee https://gist.github.com/amrith/6d06f9530e49dedee6cd18:45
cp16neti'm wondering if there was a libarry that was updated that is casuing the issue18:45
cp16netnot sure atm18:45
amrithditto18:45
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amrithI'm concerned by the error jsut before this hang which reads18:45
amrith  self.dispatcher)18:45
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amrith  self.dispatcher)18:45
peterstacdo we still need to run the fake tests?18:45
cp16netbecause there was no changes to the tests that should ahve caused this that i'm aware of18:45
peterstacwould it make sense just to diable them?18:45
peterstacs/diable/disable/18:46
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amritherror: /opt/stack/trove/.tox/py27/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/oslo_messaging/server.py:141: RuntimeWarning: It is highly recommended that when eventlet is used that the ['thread'] modules are monkey patched when using the 'oslo.messaging eventlet executor' (to avoid spurious or unexpected lock-ups and/or hangs)18:46
cp16netpeterstac: we could but there is a benifit to running them18:46
amrithI was chasing this down18:46
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amrithif someone has a venv where this problem doesn't occur18:46
amrithplease preserve it18:46
amrithI accidentally blew mine away18:46
cp16netand they also are part of validating the request/repsonse examples18:47
amrithpeterstac, I believe you have one of these18:47
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peterstaccp16net, please enlighten ;)  (I always ignore the fake output ...)18:47
cp16netit can be usful to test the api before running the 20 min long test18:48
peterstacamrith, I do have an env where py27 works, but it's my dev one - don't want to muck with it much18:48
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amrithplease save it18:48
peterstaccp16net, maybe it should be a separate test then (not run with the unittests)18:48
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cp16netso in short this looks like its affect the gate so we need to resolve this issue18:49
peterstacamrith, will do18:49
cp16netthanks for looking into this18:50
amrithcp16net, peterstac does anyone really understand event_simulator.py?18:50
cp16neti have a little understanding of it18:50
peterstacamrith, not me18:50
amrithok, maybe we can chat offline18:50
cp16netwe can chat about what is does18:50
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cp16netwe can chat about it in the chan after18:51
cp16net#topic open discussion18:51
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cp16netanyone have anything for this?18:51
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imandhanSo does that error mean that we can't test till it's fixed? I had been getting the error but couldn't figure out why exactly and what I messed up.18:52
amrithheads up guys, abramley just pointed me to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/23385418:52
cp16netmeans that the tox tests dont pass in the gate because this fails and we can merge anything now18:52
peterstacimandhan, well, running 'tox -epy27' will appear to hang (while it writes tons into the log file)18:52
amrithand for trove https://review.openstack.org/#/c/23124218:53
amriththanks abramley18:53
imandhanyup peterstac that's what was happening18:53
amrithso we should be able to test this by not using oslo.messaging 2.6.018:53
cp16netawesome18:53
amrithpeterstac, is that a difference between your two venvs?18:53
cp16netok so one other thing i had was to update the cross project liasons18:54
peterstacamrith, the latest bot skips that version https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231242/6/requirements.txt,cm18:54
peterstacbut the test still fails18:54
cp16net#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons18:54
dimsamrith: you may be hitting the same one that ceilometer hit - https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.messaging/+bug/150573018:55
openstackLaunchpad bug 1505730 in Ceilometer "oslo.messaging 2.6.1 breaks ceilometer unit tests" [Undecided,New]18:55
amrithcp16net, please sign me up as oslo liaison18:55
cp16netamrith: you are already there :) thanks18:55
amrithdims ... looks similar18:55
amrithmy broken venv has 2.6.118:55
amrithand dougshelley66's good environment has 2.5.018:55
dimsamrith: downgrade to 2.5.0 and it would work18:55
amrithupdating my requirements.txt file and will test18:55
dimsamrith: y, patch in progress18:56
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cp16netthanks dims for the info18:57
cp16netlast thing i'd like to ask everyone is if everyone will be available next week for the meeting?18:57
amrith./18:57
vkmco/18:57
pmackinno/18:58
cp16netits the week before the summit so we can bring up last minute things before meeting up there18:58
peterstaco/18:58
SlickNiko/18:58
atomic77o/18:58
amriththat's right, cp16net is going to tokyo a week ahead ;)18:58
cp16netheh i wish18:59
cp16netalright time it about up18:59
vgnbkro/18:59
cp16netthanks everyone!18:59
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cp16net#endmeeting18:59
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings"18:59
openstackMeeting ended Wed Oct 14 18:59:39 2015 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)18:59
vkmcthanks o/18:59
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-10-14-18.00.html18:59
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-10-14-18.00.txt18:59
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xgerman#startmeeting Octavia20:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Oct 14 20:00:26 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is xgerman. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:00
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xgerman#chair blogan johnsom20:00
openstackCurrent chairs: blogan johnsom xgerman20:00
sbalukoffHowdy, folks!20:00
blallauHi,20:00
bloganhi20:00
bana_khi20:00
xgerman#topic Announcements20:00
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johnsomo/20:00
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xgermanMitaka design summit schedule with ether pads #link http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.cloud.openstack.devel/6635620:01
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dougwigo/20:01
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xgermangreat stuff, three tracks...20:01
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xgermanwhich leads us to the next topic20:01
bharathmo/20:01
xgerman#topic Design session planning20:01
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bloganso tahts a session for lbaas and fwaas20:02
bloganeach20:02
Aisho/20:02
sbalukoffYay!20:02
xgermanEach?20:02
xgerman#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-neutron-next-adv-services20:02
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johnsomI added active/active20:02
xgermanI thought it was a combined session?20:02
ajmillero/20:02
dougwigservices had 2, last i checked.20:03
blogansays session 2/320:03
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bloganerr 3/420:03
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xgermanyep, that confused me20:03
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dougwigadding up the sessions tells me we still have 2.20:03
bloganlooks to me like 2 sessions split between lbaas/octavia/fwaas20:03
xgerman=ok, one ether pad for two sessions?20:03
dougwig2 sessions split up however we want, honestly. just fill in the etherpad with ideas.20:04
bloganim sure we can make another etherpad20:04
xgermangotcha20:04
xgermannah, just took me a while to understand what is going on20:04
johnsomThere, made it easier for you folks20:04
sbalukoffHeh!20:05
bloganwhat do you mean by "you folks"?20:05
johnsomDo we need to vote on one or two etherpads?20:05
johnsomgrin20:05
sbalukoffHe means me.20:05
johnsomActually I was thinking of xgerman but sure20:05
bloganlol20:05
* xgerman wonders if making johnsom chair was wrong20:06
bloganokay well do we all just add bullet points?20:06
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TrevorVo/20:06
xgerman+120:06
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blogani catn remember if thats what we do20:06
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xgermanI guess we all just add points20:06
bloganalright20:06
sbalukoffblogan: If you have something more specific you can expand on it there or in another etherpad.20:06
sbalukoffBut do it soon-- it's a good idea for people to see this stuff at least a week in advance.20:07
dougwiglet's gather ideas in one, we can split with points in that etherpad later.20:07
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sbalukoffSure.20:07
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xgermanOk, I guess we know what to do now ;-)20:08
xgerman#topic Lbaas Mid-cycle planning20:08
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xgermandougwig — any update from last week?20:08
dougwignothing new from me. i'm still waiting to hear from ths designate folks, neutron ptl, and y'all. anything from anyone else?20:09
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sbalukoffNot from me.20:09
xgermanHP can send two people to Ireland and we can host in Seattle20:09
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xgermanmaybe time to start an ether pad?20:10
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sbalukoff+120:11
xgerman#action xgerman start midcycle etherpad20:11
johnsomYeah, the sooner we decide where it is going to be, the better20:11
xgerman+120:11
xgerman#topic Scenario tests for octavia---tempest or rally?20:11
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xgermanso at HP we are big fans of Rally and minwang2 is looking if we can do the testing we want easier in one or the other20:12
bloganhow much different is writing rally tests versus tempest?20:12
minwang2so currently i am working on scenario test for active/passive, right now testing pc-pothole’s code, which is using tempest20:13
bloganlike the rally tests aren't importing tempest_lib at all?20:13
xgermanthey don’t need to20:13
johnsomI am hearing there are rally tests that are different from tempest tests that rally runs20:13
xgermanyep, Aish did tests that way for vpn20:14
johnsomI think we need to make a directional call here as I don't want to duplicate work or change direction later.20:14
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xgerman+120:15
sbalukoff+120:15
minwang2+120:15
fnaval+120:15
johnsomIs there a list of other OpenStack projects switching/using Rally?20:15
bloganwell my concerns are: going away from tempest means people have to learn yet antoher testing framework, also, there's a lot of common code already written that assumes tempest that we may not be able to use20:15
dougwigi'd be tempted to ask this in #openstack-qa, personally. have we tried that?20:15
sbalukoffHow mature is Rally?  Also, what's the trend? Are other projects seriously looking at it?20:15
sbalukoffdougwig: +120:16
xgermanso Cue + DBaaS and some others are Rally only20:16
sbalukoffI don't feel well enough informed to make this decision.20:16
xgermanVPNaaS is doing lots of Rally20:16
bloganlol but who did those?20:16
sbalukoffSo, it's the new hotness...20:16
xgermanit is20:16
sbalukoffBut...?20:17
dougwigsbalukoff: +1, nor do I want to deviate from the norm without a strong reason, as that hurts cross-project vibey-ness.20:17
sbalukoffdougwig: +120:17
blogani dont like going with the new hotness myself, but thats not a major reason for me20:17
sbalukoffSame here.20:17
blogantoo much new hotness going on internally20:17
sbalukoffHaha!20:18
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johnsomI do like the idea of performance tests, which I understand are much easier in Rally20:18
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bloganwhat if rally just did performance tests?20:18
* johnsom thinks blogan is talking about himself20:18
xgermanit does all other tests, too20:18
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sbalukoffDoes rally have all tempest's features? As in, would we be giving anything up by moving to rally?20:19
* blogan has a lot of coldness inside of him, vampire like20:19
Aishjohnsom +1 Rally is still evolving. I personally feel rally to be less complicated than tempest. Rally can internally invoke tempest tests and do the negatuve tests as well.20:19
xgermanthanks Aish!!20:19
blogani would say most would not feel comfortable making a decision rgiht now20:20
bloganmost = (all - HP) :)20:20
sbalukoffSo... if what you want to do can be done in tempest, please do it in tempest for now?20:20
bloganwell this is for octavia20:20
sbalukoffRight.20:20
johnsomDo I hear an action coming on to go research?20:20
blogannothing, aside from some early stuff pc-pothole did, has been done20:20
madhu_akby the way, Is the current scenario tests for lbaas using octavia driver can't be resued anyway?20:21
madhu_akreused*20:21
xgermanmadhu_ak they will used for tetsing20:21
xgermanbut there are Octavia specific tests (e.g. Active-Passive) we like to write20:21
bloganmadhu_ak: its possible to reuse it if we want, but i dont understand enough about rally to know if we could do the same with rally20:22
pc-potholeYea, and i had some reservations about calling the neutron-lbaas scenarios ok for both n-lbaas and octavia20:22
xgermanso I wouldn’t touch any of our LBaaS V2 tests right now20:22
dougwighas anyone looked into the new tempest plugin mechanism?20:22
bloganso much new hotness!20:22
pc-potholeThe driver manipulates things, id like to have tests that test our service specifically, which is what i was starting and thats way behind.20:22
bloganthat sounds like newer hotness20:22
pc-potholeThis also helps with other cases like a stand alone octavia in the future maybe.20:23
bloganpc-pothole: yeah i don't think anyone disagrees with that now, but would you rather use tempest or rally?20:23
pc-potholeBut, theres been a lot of changes to n-lbaas tests, so those patches need some extra love20:23
pc-potholerally uses tempest20:23
pc-potholerally solves different issue20:24
pc-potholeyou build tests for tempest, rally runs tempest20:24
bloganpc-pothole: ive heard that too but ive heard differently as well, i need a horse and a mouth to talk to20:24
pc-potholefor different scenarios, and it does cool things like setting up envs and stuff20:24
sbalukoffHeh!20:24
xgermanI think it can do both20:24
pc-potholethey have docs, and from what i read you have to have tempest test submitted to them20:24
madhu_akhaving worked on rally for vpnaas tests, it doesnt rely on tempest_lib anymore. meaning, we can write that are specific to the tests. Rally is good for performance. However, the challenge is, we might not be able to get good community reviews20:24
pc-potholeunless they got the plugins stuff done, but that was a while back and wasnt even started last time i looked20:25
pc-potholeok20:25
pc-potholeso thats been updated20:25
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pc-potholemy info was from past, thanks for clarifying.20:25
bloganare the vpnaas tests in tree?20:25
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xgermanin the vpnaas tree? Yes20:25
madhu_akye.. for scenario tests20:25
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madhu_akyes*20:26
bloganhttps://github.com/openstack/neutron-vpnaas/blob/master/neutron_vpnaas/tests/functional/common/test_scenario.py20:26
blogan?20:26
madhu_akthat is written on     tempest which does mocking20:26
madhu_aknot the actual scenario test like the end user tests it20:26
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madhu_akblogan, like this https://github.com/openstack/neutron-vpnaas/tree/master/rally-jobs20:28
bloganmadhu_ak: can you link a test using rally?20:28
blogantanks20:28
madhu_akyep..20:28
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xgermanthanks made_ak was hunting for same...20:28
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xgermanok, I think we need to let that simmer for a bit before we can make a decision20:29
xgerman#action everybody does some research20:29
sbalukoffHaha20:29
* blogan simmers20:30
xgerman#topic Brief progress reports20:30
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bana_k#link https://github.com/openstack/heat-specs/blob/master/specs/mitaka/lbaasv2-support.rst20:30
bana_kgot merged20:30
sbalukoff#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234639/20:31
sbalukoffWoot, bana!20:31
minwang2#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226599/20:31
minwang2get merged20:31
johnsomI have mostly been working on slideware, reviews, etc.20:31
bana_k:)20:31
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bana_k#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/228598/720:31
sbalukoffThe above link is the blueprint / spec for active-active mostly put together by the IBM research team in Haifa.20:31
bana_kplease review20:31
johnsomI helped rebase some of the Octavia tempest patchsets with Min.20:31
minwang2#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215359/20:31
minwang2#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224929/20:31
rm_workI SHOULD have time to really do reviews this week / next week20:31
sbalukoffWe are going to be discussing it in Tokyo. But it would help if people could start reviewing it now.20:32
minwang2these 2 patches still need review, one is for add cert rotation, the other is doc update20:32
rm_workso feel free to ping me in PMs with review links for Octavia and I'll get started20:32
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xgermaninternal stuff has been crazy for me but I started work on an image for the lab20:33
rm_workhave been drowning in internal stuff for about a month now but i am finally out for a bit :P20:33
sbalukoffI've mostly been working on feedback / refining the active-active blueprint / spec. and getting distracted by internal nonsense. Will be back on updating docs as of this afternoon.20:33
xgermannice20:33
sbalukoffrm_work: Great!20:33
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johnsomI plan to get back to active/standby this week so I can create a demo20:33
rm_workwoo internal fires, destroying productivity since *always*20:33
sbalukoffjohnsom: Awesome!20:34
sbalukoffrm_work: +120:34
xgermanrm_work same here20:34
rm_workyep it took out a bunch of us recently20:34
sbalukoffBut! I'm feeling like this conference might not suck-- things seem to be coming together nicely for that!20:34
xgerman+120:35
xgerman#topic Open Discussion20:35
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xgermanI think we are sort of sliding into that20:35
sbalukoffHeh!20:35
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johnsomReminder, Summit hands-on-lab hangout meeting in ~25 minutes.  https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hpe.com/summit20:36
sbalukoffSo-- lab planning session / hangout right after this meeting, eh!20:36
sbalukoffXD20:36
xgermanyep20:36
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xgermanalso should we meet next week or just skip the summit week?20:36
rm_workah ok20:36
rm_workhow long do we think the lab planning will take?20:36
bloganihar was having some issues last night with the minimal gate job20:36
rm_workis that going to be 1h+?20:37
johnsomI'm up for meeting next week and skipping summit week20:37
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sbalukoffIt's not a bad idea to have a touch-base next week. We should not meet during summit week.20:37
sballehi sorry for being late20:37
johnsomblogan Yes, nova had a bad patch that caused amps to not boot20:37
rm_workok I might be 10m late but if someone can email me the hangout link i can catch it soon20:37
bloganjohnsom: thats what it looked like from the bug reports, but just making sure that was the real issue20:37
rm_workoh nm i'll email it to myself20:37
sbalukoffsballe: That's OK, we've delegated all review work for the next two weeks to you.20:37
xgermanok, we will meet next week and skip the summit week!20:37
sbalukoffSince you're leaving us and all.20:37
xgermannah, mystery left HP as well20:38
xgermanmestery20:38
dougwigI'm leaving for Japan next Wednesday.  So I'll be out. :)20:38
johnsomblogan last I heard the nova patch was reverted and it resolved the issue.20:38
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bloganjohnsom: yeah thats what i've gathered as well, sounds like we know about the same :)20:38
johnsomYep20:39
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xgermandougwig: Nice!!20:40
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sballesbalukoff: perfect re: reviews20:41
xgermanI think we covered everyhting20:41
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sballesbalukoff: I'll miss you guys. You are a fun bunch and we have been working together for a long time20:42
sbalukoffI figure next week will probably be a very short meeting in any case.20:42
sbalukoffsballe: I'm sure our paths will cross again. And yes-- I'll miss you too!20:42
TrevorVYou're saying this one was long sbalukoff ????20:42
TrevorV:D20:42
sballelol20:42
minwang2i hope that we can make a decision about the sceanrio test plan before the end of the meeting today20:42
sbalukoffTrevorV: It is when I haven't had lunch yet. XD20:42
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TrevorVminwang2, today?  I thought we just decided to postpone that20:43
xgerman+120:43
sbalukoffminwang2: I don't think we will. We all need to do more research.20:43
minwang2ok20:43
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sbalukoffI think that's it? Or does anyone have anything else?20:44
xgerman#endmeeting20:45
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openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-10-14-20.00.html20:45
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-10-14-20.00.txt20:45
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-10-14-20.00.log.html20:45
xgermandone +done20:45
sbalukoffThanks y'all! See you later!20:45
TrevorVNext week!20:45
TrevorVlata20:45
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minwang2thank you!20:45
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sballebye20:46
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