| sc68cal | hello all | 00:00 |
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| mickeys | Hi | 00:00 |
| xgerman | Hi | 00:00 |
| SridarK | Hi All | 00:00 |
| annp | Hi | 00:00 |
| yushiro | Good morning :) | 00:00 |
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| hoangcx | Hi sc68cal, SridarK and all :-) | 00:00 |
| sc68cal | #startmeeting neutron_fwaas | 00:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 15 00:00:32 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_fwaas)" | 00:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_fwaas' | 00:00 |
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| sc68cal | whoops | 00:00 |
| sc68cal | #endmeeting | 00:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 15 00:00:53 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_fwaas/2015/neutron_fwaas.2015-10-15-00.00.html | 00:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_fwaas/2015/neutron_fwaas.2015-10-15-00.00.txt | 00:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_fwaas/2015/neutron_fwaas.2015-10-15-00.00.log.html | 00:00 |
| sc68cal | #startmeeting networking_fwaas | 00:01 |
| xgerman | hoangcx I gave you sit rights on the drawing | 00:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 15 00:01:03 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_fwaas)" | 00:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_fwaas' | 00:01 |
| jwarendt | Hi | 00:01 |
| bharathm | o/ | 00:01 |
| hoangcx | xgerman: Thanks a lot. I will check it | 00:01 |
| * sc68cal sighs | 00:01 | |
| xgerman | sc68cal I forgot to add some topics to the agenda | 00:01 |
| sc68cal | no worries, I'll try and run through our recap quickly and then let you take over | 00:02 |
| xgerman | cool | 00:02 |
| * sc68cal is banging head against wall for making a neutron_fwaas directory in eavesdrop that he'll have to ignore forever | 00:02 | |
| * xgerman lol | 00:02 | |
| sc68cal | #topic recap actions from last meeting | 00:02 |
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| sc68cal | #chair xgerman SridarK | 00:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SridarK sc68cal xgerman | 00:02 |
| sc68cal | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-10-07-18.32.html Minutes from last meeting | 00:03 |
| sc68cal | xgerman: looks like it's all you | 00:03 |
| SridarK | xgerman: the spotlight is on :-) | 00:03 |
| xgerman | alreday | 00:03 |
| xgerman | so Midccyle | 00:04 |
| xgerman | HP can host the mid cycle in Seattle | 00:04 |
| xgerman | I am wondering if we should start some eitherpad to vote on time/location | 00:04 |
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| SridarK | xgerman: +1, if folks want to come to the bay area, i can arrange to host as well | 00:05 |
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| sc68cal | I'm +1 for SEA. Was easy for me from US East Coast | 00:06 |
| xgerman | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fwaas_mitaka_midcyle | 00:06 |
| sc68cal | SEA is probably good for APAC too, only people who it's tough for is probably Europe | 00:06 |
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| xgerman | yeah, on that note we have trouble to fund International travel | 00:07 |
| sc68cal | doh. xgerman you are in europe aren't you? | 00:07 |
| xgerman | nope, I am in San Diego | 00:08 |
| * sc68cal breathes sigh of relief | 00:08 | |
| xgerman | but Seattle is our base so easy to get to (for me) | 00:08 |
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| SridarK | given the time of the year, we stay on the west coast :-) | 00:08 |
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| xgerman | +1 | 00:09 |
| mickeys | +1 | 00:09 |
| jwarendt | +1 | 00:10 |
| xgerman | for dates I am gone most of December so I would say we should aim for January/early february | 00:10 |
| xgerman | also I think we are supposed to coordinate with armax | 00:10 |
| armax | xgerman: yes | 00:10 |
| armax | I talked to mugsie (I don’t recall the irc) | 00:11 |
| xgerman | that’s him | 00:11 |
| xgerman | Graham in real life | 00:11 |
| armax | xgerman: I am hoping to get the summit out of the way first | 00:11 |
| xgerman | k | 00:11 |
| armax | but most definitely it makes sense to coordinate | 00:11 |
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| armax | xgerman: if you’re out December | 00:11 |
| xgerman | well, I am out beginning 12/15 so the first few weeks might still work ;-) | 00:12 |
| armax | xgerman: that means we’d need to defer the Neutron mid-cycle meetup and we typically had that in December | 00:12 |
| armax | xgerman: ok | 00:12 |
| xgerman | also I usually skip the Neutron mid cycle... | 00:12 |
| sc68cal | I've been going to them, so I think we'll have coverage there | 00:13 |
| xgerman | cool | 00:13 |
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| armax | so you guys are thinking of Dublin as venue? | 00:13 |
| xgerman | that would be LBaaS/DNSaaS joint meeting | 00:13 |
| xgerman | FWaaS is different and dougwig said we should keep separate | 00:13 |
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| xgerman | but right now a lot of stuff is in the air... | 00:14 |
| armax | so ideally you’d want these to be back-to-back? | 00:14 |
| armax | or simply not conflict? | 00:14 |
| armax | and spaced them out | 00:14 |
| armax | ? | 00:14 |
| xgerman | simply not conflict | 00:14 |
| armax | xgerman: ok fair enough | 00:14 |
| armax | noted in my list of chores | 00:15 |
| armax | anything else from me? | 00:15 |
| xgerman | nope - otherwise we are pretty self organizing | 00:15 |
| sc68cal | all hail the PTL! | 00:16 |
| * xgerman bows | 00:16 | |
| armax | xgerman: excellent | 00:16 |
| SridarK | +1 ;-) | 00:16 |
| * armax blushes | 00:16 | |
| sc68cal | On that note, xgerman how did prioritization go? | 00:16 |
| xgerman | done | 00:16 |
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| sc68cal | xgerman: i forget which link is for this | 00:17 |
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| sc68cal | ahhh sorry - dumb thing. The bugs in launchpad | 00:18 |
| xgerman | yep, you made a Google link | 00:18 |
| sc68cal | cool - thanks for doing that :) | 00:18 |
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| sc68cal | If anyone has a bug that they think needs different priority, feel free to reach out | 00:19 |
| xgerman | +1 | 00:19 |
| sc68cal | xgerman: how about the google doc, that was the last thing | 00:19 |
| xgerman | I complained to the corporate people and it seems I can share with people’s e-mail | 00:20 |
| xgerman | #link https://docs.google.com/a/hpe.com/drawings/d/1eFDVOtkwG2Flt54zqZcAFnOY9cww_EgJKuIp9aPqAIs/edit?usp=sharing | 00:20 |
| sc68cal | might be worth taking and copying into an etherpad or something where we don't have to add people | 00:20 |
| xgerman | I think that link allows to edit | 00:21 |
| xgerman | those options just showed up today | 00:21 |
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| sc68cal | hmm, I had to request access | 00:21 |
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| SridarK | xgerman: yes ^^^ same here | 00:21 |
| xgerman | nope, then it doesn’t work :-( | 00:21 |
| sc68cal | I think maybe it's time to move it to etherpad. | 00:22 |
| * hoangcx just got approved about that :-) | 00:22 | |
| SridarK | just pushed that button | 00:22 |
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| sc68cal | my main concern is having it publicly accessible | 00:22 |
| sc68cal | the trello board, yeah you had to get access to edit, but at least accessible publicly | 00:22 |
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| xgerman | yeah, as I said this is all still in flight of there at HP | 00:23 |
| xgerman | should have used a non-HP Google Drawing account | 00:23 |
| sc68cal | oh. It's the _drawing_ | 00:24 |
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| xgerman | yep | 00:24 |
| sc68cal | sorry, beig stupid tonight. Though there was some other google doc | 00:24 |
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| sc68cal | ok, anyway I'll hand it over to xgerman since you had a couple topics you wanted to discuss? | 00:25 |
| sc68cal | (make sure to use #topic) | 00:25 |
| xgerman | #topic Design session | 00:25 |
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| xgerman | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-neutron-next-adv-services | 00:26 |
| xgerman | so we have a session on fwaas | 00:26 |
| SridarK | lets get the DVR related discussion covered for the broader audience there | 00:27 |
| sc68cal | ^ ++ | 00:27 |
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| xgerman | + | 00:27 |
| SridarK | But we hope to get some good discussion going before that | 00:27 |
| xgerman | yeah | 00:27 |
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| SridarK | so it will be ideal if we can lay out some options here, perhaps that is a bit optimistic | 00:28 |
| SridarK | but we can shoot for that | 00:28 |
| xgerman | I chatted with jwarendt and we came up with a few things we think can be achieved in M | 00:28 |
| mickeys | We need to know if any of the 2-stage proposals (going through router at both source and destination) will fly. Swami is supposed to write one option up. I am supposed to write another option up. | 00:28 |
| mickeys | For DVR | 00:28 |
| xgerman | oh, ok | 00:28 |
| xgerman | would that work with our new port based idea? | 00:29 |
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| SridarK | mickeys:, badveli: & I had a quick sync with Swami as well to at least lay out some issues so we have some background set | 00:29 |
| mickeys | Does not matter whether it is the router in its entirety or a router port. If it goes through the router and it is asymmetric, it breaks conntrack | 00:29 |
| mickeys | If it is not router port, no issue with DVR | 00:29 |
| xgerman | we were worried about that | 00:29 |
| xgerman | conntrack... | 00:30 |
| mickeys | I believe we either need to have a DVR mode that is symmetric, with 2-stage forwarding, or we need to change the semantics of FWaaS so that router stuff is only north-south | 00:30 |
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| xgerman | I think the later might be ok | 00:31 |
| xgerman | mostly east-west will be between vms | 00:31 |
| SridarK | xgerman: i am not sure if that will fit all deployments | 00:31 |
| mickeys | That is the big question that we need answered coming out of Tokyo | 00:31 |
| SridarK | if they are different subnets | 00:31 |
| xgerman | yeah, there are always edge-cases :-) | 00:31 |
| SridarK | yes that we need to flush those out | 00:32 |
| xgerman | mickeys — that would be more an ML question with a follow up in Tokyo or vice versa | 00:32 |
| SridarK | xgerman: were u thinking on the router port(s) aspect as a priority (ur discussion with jwarendt ^^^ ) | 00:32 |
| xgerman | we just like ports | 00:33 |
| SridarK | xgerman: i agree | 00:33 |
| xgerman | hence my second bullet “Define clearly what a port is" | 00:33 |
| mickeys | The etherpad already laid out a few options. With Swami, SridarK, badveli, trying to come up with enough detail on 2-stage forwarding so that DVR folks can say yes or no | 00:33 |
| xgerman | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-neutron-next-adv-services | 00:34 |
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| SridarK | mickeys: if it is conditional of FWaaS being configured - i think what we have is a resonble approach | 00:35 |
| SridarK | but we can try to close at the summit | 00:36 |
| sc68cal | ^ +1 | 00:36 |
| sc68cal | one of my concerns is, define behaviors at the API level - don't let one implementation define behaviors that others can't do | 00:36 |
| sc68cal | we want it to work with DVR - obviously, but in a way where the API makes sense in all cases and for all implementations | 00:37 |
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| xgerman | yep, we might just say if you use DVR router ports are only south-west | 00:37 |
| xgerman | so all the people who skip DVR can have east-west ;-) | 00:37 |
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| mickeys | Actually, for DVR, only policies on north/gateway ports on routers | 00:38 |
| mickeys | Both directions | 00:38 |
| mickeys | If we don't do 2-stage forwarding | 00:38 |
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| xgerman | ok, but as sc68cal said that shouldn’t stop us in API design... | 00:38 |
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| SridarK | mickeys: yes that was change to be done so FWaaS was not completely broken with DVR | 00:39 |
| SridarK | in Juno | 00:39 |
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| mickeys | One option is to keep that restriction going forward, but cleaner because it will be explicitly tied to the gateway port | 00:40 |
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| xgerman | yeah, we can clearly roadmap that - so we have the restriction in M but N we might have 2-stage-forwarding... | 00:41 |
| SridarK | getting in basic "tying to port(s)" support should be straightforward, always had that in mind even with Router Insertion | 00:42 |
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| SridarK | the FW and insertion point association are kept in a separate table, for ease of supporting different insertion models | 00:43 |
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| xgerman | yeah, so that would mean no changes to the data model | 00:45 |
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| SridarK | xgerman: yes not for the FW resource | 00:45 |
| SridarK | keeps it less messy | 00:45 |
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| mickeys | I thought the firewall resource is where the association is kept. The policy and rules are separate. | 00:46 |
| SridarK | mickeys: yes | 00:46 |
| SridarK | the association with FW and Policy | 00:46 |
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| SridarK | but the association with the FW and insertion point is outside of the FW table | 00:47 |
| SridarK | earlier the FW was pushed to all routers on that tenant - so nothing was tracked | 00:47 |
| SridarK | the agent managed most of that | 00:48 |
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| sc68cal | time check, only 10 minutes left | 00:51 |
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| sc68cal | anyone have anything to add? hoangcx ? | 00:52 |
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| xgerman | one more thing | 00:52 |
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| xgerman | Please review: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231246/ | 00:52 |
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| hoangcx | sc68cal: Yeah. Would love change status from "Confirm" to "Triage" for the Logging API | 00:52 |
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| reedip | Just a query to everyone: Would ICMP code based filtering be a part of FWaaS ? | 00:52 |
| hoangcx | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1468366 | 00:53 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1468366 in neutron "RFE - Logging API for security group and firewall rules" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Yushiro FURUKAWA (y-furukawa-2) | 00:53 |
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| xgerman | I think it could be | 00:53 |
| hoangcx | Thanks xgerman for setting pritority | 00:53 |
| xgerman | reedip | 00:53 |
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| reedip | xgerman: but I guess it would require a detailed discussion bcz it would impact Usability (Client/Horizon)as well the base code | 00:54 |
| xgerman | I see it as part of our DPI aspirations | 00:55 |
| annp | xgerman +1 | 00:55 |
| xgerman | which would need those changes anyway | 00:55 |
| reedip | DPI ? | 00:55 |
| xgerman | Deep Packet Inspection | 00:56 |
| reedip | Oh , ok... | 00:56 |
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| hoangcx | sc68cal, xgerman, SridarK: We are focusing on the logging design. So it is better if the status change to "Triaged" to get more attention from others to file it, especially for upstair people. | 00:57 |
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| xgerman | hoangcx got it | 00:58 |
| xgerman | done +done | 00:58 |
| badveli | sorry i was another wrong channel from morning | 00:58 |
| hoangcx | xgerman: Thank you so much :-) | 00:59 |
| xgerman | ok, out of time... | 00:59 |
| xgerman | #endmeeting | 00:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 15 00:59:31 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-10-15-00.01.html | 00:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-10-15-00.01.txt | 00:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-10-15-00.01.log.html | 00:59 |
| sc68cal | bye all! | 00:59 |
| SridarK | bye all | 00:59 |
| badveli | bye | 00:59 |
| xgerman | bye | 00:59 |
| mickeys | bye | 00:59 |
| hoangcx | Bye all | 00:59 |
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| annp | Bye | 01:06 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 15 15:00:23 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:00 |
| ganso | Hello | 15:00 |
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| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
| csaba | hi | 15:00 |
| Zhongjun | hello | 15:00 |
| vponomaryov | hi | 15:00 |
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| bswartz | so today there is no real agenda | 15:00 |
| cfouts | hi | 15:00 |
| bswartz | it will be a short meeting | 15:00 |
| xyang1 | Hi | 15:00 |
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| bswartz | I have 2 things to mention | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | #topic liberty release | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "liberty release (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:01 | |
| dustins | \o | 15:01 |
| bswartz | liberty release is today -- there was an RC3 on tuesday to fix a critical bug which carried a bunch a gate-block-fixes back to liberty | 15:01 |
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| tbarron | hi | 15:02 |
| bswartz | the main thing for you guys is that as you find bugs in mitaka, if they need backporting the correct tag is now "liberty-backport-potential" | 15:02 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: should we set also set "kilo-*" and "juno-*" tags? | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | thanks to all to tested the Liberty release and found and fixed bugs, I think it was very successful | 15:03 |
| bswartz | also thanks to those who implemented new features and very special thanks to those who did the hard work of setting up CI systems for vendor drivers -- I know that work is not easy but I do believe it pays off | 15:04 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: stable/juno should go away very soon, and stable/kilo will only be open for security fixes | 15:04 |
| bswartz | that's according the stable maintenance policy | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: ah, ok, thanks | 15:04 |
| bswartz | if there's any critical bugfixes that need backported to kilo, let's do it before the weekend | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | the other topic is | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | #topic mitaka design summit | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Mitaka/Etherpads#Manila | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | those are the session I selected -- it's still possible to make changes though if someone has strong feelings | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | xyang1: I didn't get a chance to talk to you earlier about your session proposal: "minimum required features" | 15:06 |
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| xyang1 | Can we talk about that at a work session? Or we are out of slots | 15:07 |
| bswartz | xyang1: I didn't really understand what the point of that session would be and it didn't sound to me like a full 40 minute topic | 15:07 |
| bswartz | we can if you think it needs a full 40 minutes and if you want to present something | 15:08 |
| bswartz | I'll move something else to make room | 15:08 |
| xyang1 | Not need a full session, but we should decide on it | 15:08 |
| bswartz | the alternative is to cover it a the contributor meetup | 15:08 |
| bswartz | I know you have conflict between the manila contributor meetup and the cinder all-day meetup | 15:08 |
| xyang1 | I may not be able to make it on Friday | 15:08 |
| xyang1 | Right | 15:08 |
| bswartz | xyang1: is it something we could cover during a weekly meeting? such as today or next week? | 15:09 |
| bswartz | or does it require us all to be in a room together? | 15:09 |
| xyang1 | That is fine too | 15:09 |
| bswartz | okay I want to make sure it gets the time it deserves | 15:09 |
| xyang1 | We need to make a decision and put on wiki | 15:09 |
| bswartz | it just didn't feel like a full 40 minutes to me | 15:09 |
| xyang1 | I don't think it needs 40 minutes | 15:10 |
| bswartz | ganso: you had an etherpad with minimum required features | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | (I think it was ganso) | 15:10 |
| ganso | bswartz: yes | 15:10 |
| xyang1 | However we spent lots of time talking about snapshot | 15:10 |
| bswartz | did that ever get converted into a dev doc in the manila tree? | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | ganso: ^ | 15:10 |
| ganso | bswartz: no | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | okay well that's something we should probably do | 15:11 |
| xyang1 | Maybe this can be done via code reviews | 15:11 |
| cknight | xyang1: +1 | 15:11 |
| vponomaryov | +1 | 15:11 |
| ganso | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-minimum-driver-requirements | 15:11 |
| bswartz | xyang1: I made one the fishbowl sessions to discuss new snapshot semantics | 15:11 |
| bswartz | because that topic will probably be of great interest to many people | 15:11 |
| bswartz | I'm not sure if there are any other features which will invite a lot of discussion | 15:11 |
| ganso | bswartz: I suggested merging both subjects, but that would be up to xyang1 | 15:11 |
| bswartz | I'm in favor of managing that through code review | 15:12 |
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| ganso | as far as I remember, during midcycle meetup, one of the topics was minimum required features and snapshot was 80% of the discussion | 15:12 |
| bswartz | if we discover that there is another feature which invites a lot of discussion, then we can set aside time for those discussions | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | but I would bet that there's nothing else contentions | 15:13 |
| cknight | ganso: Yes, but that was whether basic snapshots would be part of the minimum set. We did agree they would not be. | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | contentious* | 15:13 |
| xyang1 | ganso: can you submit a patch before the summit | 15:13 |
| bswartz | +1 for dev doc patch before summit | 15:14 |
| ganso | xyang1: yes | 15:14 |
| bswartz | ganso: thanks | 15:14 |
| bswartz | okay that's all I had for today | 15:14 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:14 |
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| xyang1 | So we can start reviewing and make sure everyone agrees | 15:14 |
| xyang1 | If there are conflicts, we discuss at the summit | 15:14 |
| bswartz | anyone else have something for this week? | 15:15 |
| Zhongjun | I made a small change in Manila QoS design. | 15:15 |
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| Zhongjun | Manila QoS add a few common capabilities in qos-create command. | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | thanks Zhongjun | 15:15 |
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| Zhongjun | such as: manila qos-create <name> [--max_kbps <max_kbps>] [--min_kbps <min_kbps>] [--max_iops <max_iops>] [--min_iops <min_iops>] <key=value> [<key=value> ...] | 15:15 |
| Zhongjun | Is it reasonable for that? | 15:16 |
| bswartz | I suggest people review the QoS design before tokyo -- it's on the agenda to be discussed during the contributor meetup | 15:16 |
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| Zhongjun | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/QoS | 15:17 |
| bswartz | Zhongjun: that's reasonable, it looks similar to what cinder has | 15:17 |
| bswartz | I'm not convinced we want to copy cinder's design exactly, but if that's what others want then I would be okay with it | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | In particular I'm unclear on what "min" means | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | I want to hear from the vendors that can implement a min_iops and an min_kpbs what it means for their systems | 15:19 |
| Zhongjun | min -> minimum | 15:19 |
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| bswartz | yes but how can it be enforced -- is it a hard limit or a soft limit? | 15:19 |
| jcsp | for ceph, it would be useful to have a limit on the metadata op rate, separate from the data IOPS/bandwidth | 15:19 |
| jcsp | we don't have QoS in there yet, but when we add it there'll certainly be a separate between data and metadata qos. | 15:20 |
| bswartz | it seems it would have to be soft because if the whole system bogs down then nobody will get the minimums they were promised | 15:20 |
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| cknight | jcsp: The design allows for backend-specific QoS keys. But common ones should be, well, common! | 15:20 |
| bswartz | presumably vendors who implement qos minimums have a way to ensure their systems don't bog down, but I don't understand how that works | 15:20 |
| Zhongjun | yes, for huawei, it would have to be soft | 15:21 |
| bswartz | Zhongjun: it could just be a matter of documentation, to make sure users are clear on what it means | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | okay anything else for today? | 15:22 |
| Zhongjun | bswartz: ok, I will add the detail about that. | 15:22 |
| bswartz | alright thanks everyone | 15:23 |
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| bswartz | one more week to tokyo! | 15:23 |
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| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:23 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 15 15:23:32 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-10-15-15.00.html | 15:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-10-15-15.00.txt | 15:23 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-10-15-15.00.log.html | 15:23 |
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| xarses | #startmeeting fuel | 16:00 |
| xarses | #chair xarses | 16:01 |
| xarses | Todays Agenda: | 16:01 |
| xarses | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:01 |
| xarses | Who's here? | 16:01 |
| dpyzhov | hi | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 15 16:00:59 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xarses. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| maximov | hi | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: xarses | 16:01 |
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| ashtokolov | hi | 16:01 |
| angdraug | o/ | 16:01 |
| sbog_ | Hi guys | 16:01 |
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| evgenyl | hi | 16:01 |
| bgaifullin | hi | 16:01 |
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| yottatsa | hi! | 16:01 |
| xenolog13 | \~/ | 16:01 |
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| xarses | #topic Action Items from last meeting | 16:01 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Action Items from last meeting (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:01 | |
| akasatkin | hi | 16:01 |
| xarses | kozhukalov will update ML with plan to separate each sub-project in fuel-web (notes on this https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-move-repos) | 16:01 |
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| rmoe | hi | 16:02 |
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| xarses | kozhukalov: added notes regarding this on the etherpad above | 16:02 |
| xarses | angdraug will update fuel-specs reviews to assign SME's to review https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-blueprints-8.0 | 16:03 |
| angdraug | I've reviewed and categorized stuck specs: | 16:03 |
| angdraug | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-blueprints-8.0 | 16:03 |
| angdraug | didn't have time to prod reviewers and committers yet | 16:03 |
| angdraug | please check the etherpad and let me know if you disagree with the categorization | 16:03 |
| xarses | angdraug: so another action for next week? | 16:03 |
| angdraug | yes please | 16:03 |
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| xarses | k | 16:03 |
| xarses | maximov will look over stale review queue and ensure that cores are assigned to them | 16:04 |
| maximov | ok, yes I checked all our review queues and followed up all relevant people, | 16:04 |
| kozhukalov_ | still did not write ML thread, will send probably tomorrow, when the majority of patches will be on review | 16:04 |
| mattymo | hi | 16:04 |
| akislitsky | hi | 16:04 |
| maximov | in result we have healthy status for all product related review queues: 0 stalled reviews. | 16:04 |
| maximov | the only problem is in qa repositories: | 16:04 |
| maximov | fuel-devops has 1 stalled review but core reviewers assigned to it, | 16:04 |
| mihgen | #link http://bit.ly/1G4Xsn9 | 16:05 |
| maximov | fuel-ostf has 2 stalled reviews | 16:05 |
| mihgen | thanks maximov | 16:05 |
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| maximov | fuel-specs has 9 stalled reviews, but I ensured that in every review we have at least 1 core reviewer. | 16:05 |
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| maximov | so I consider my action item as done | 16:05 |
| dpyzhov | maximov: how many days it takes for review to became stalled? | 16:06 |
| maximov | 5 days | 16:06 |
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| dpyzhov | thanks | 16:06 |
| mihgen | we need to monitor on weekly basis until we implement automation to escalate.. | 16:06 |
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| mihgen | xarses: moving on? | 16:06 |
| xarses | #action angdraug will update fuel-specs reviews to assign SME's to review https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-blueprints-8.0 | 16:06 |
| xarses | #topic Enhancements Team Status (ashtokolov) | 16:06 |
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| ashtokolov | hi folks | 16:07 |
| ashtokolov | Enhancements status briefly: | 16:07 |
| ashtokolov | Inbox - 66(was 62), In progress - 15(was 12), On review - 19(was 20), QA - 17(was 17), Done - 6(was 2) | 16:07 |
| ashtokolov | and 8(was 12) to be sorted with Product Management | 16:07 |
| ashtokolov | Total: 131 (was 125) | 16:07 |
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| ashtokolov | Any questions? | 16:08 |
| dpyzhov | yep | 16:08 |
| dpyzhov | we have 6 bugs that has need-bp tag | 16:08 |
| dpyzhov | we need to address them somehow | 16:08 |
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| dpyzhov | As I see we don't have an owner for this activity | 16:08 |
| angdraug | Product Management? | 16:09 |
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| dpyzhov | somebody should create blueprints and prioritise them | 16:09 |
| mihgen | dpyzhov: may be ashtokolov should take it with dnovakovsky.. ? | 16:09 |
| ashtokolov | Let's thirst of all check our blueprints | 16:09 |
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| ashtokolov | I'm working on simple script | 16:10 |
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| ashtokolov | and also I can do a trello board with unsorted bps | 16:10 |
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| ashtokolov | angdraug mihgen I think it means that I will do it | 16:11 |
| ogelbukh | o/ | 16:11 |
| angdraug | thanks, let me know if I can help | 16:11 |
| dpyzhov | please don't forget about bugs with 'need-bp' tag in your activity, thats all =) | 16:11 |
| mihgen | we need some preliminary analysis and scoping | 16:11 |
| ashtokolov | dpyzhov it's not my activity) | 16:11 |
| mihgen | not necessarily taking it in this release timeframe | 16:11 |
| ashtokolov | need-bp it means big stories | 16:12 |
| ashtokolov | not small enhancements | 16:12 |
| angdraug | and big stories covers the rought scoping part | 16:12 |
| angdraug | so all we really need is capture requirements and prioritize | 16:12 |
| angdraug | so PM | 16:12 |
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| dpyzhov | angdraug: PM will walk through all need-bp bugs and create blueprints? ok for me | 16:13 |
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| angdraug | ashtokolov: can you generate raw input for PM to go through? | 16:13 |
| angdraug | at the level of detail like list of bugs with titles | 16:14 |
| ashtokolov | angdraug Yes I'll do | 16:14 |
| ashtokolov | action for me please | 16:14 |
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| xarses | ok, moving on? | 16:14 |
| angdraug | yes please, and action for ashtokolov | 16:15 |
| ashtokolov | moving on | 16:15 |
| xarses | #topic UI Team Status (vkramskikh) | 16:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "UI Team Status (vkramskikh) (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:15 | |
| vkramskikh | hi! | 16:15 |
| vkramskikh | Hi, this week we fixed 11 bugs, the number of remaining bugs is 42. Currently we have only one high bug, all other are mediums and lower. I think during the next week we'll be able to fix about 10-15 bugs and then we'll mostly switch to implementation of new features. | 16:15 |
| xarses | #topic ashtokolov will generate raw inpunt from need-bp bugs for PM to review | 16:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ashtokolov will generate raw inpunt from need-bp bugs for PM to review (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:15 | |
| xarses | oops | 16:15 |
| xarses | #topic UI Team Status (vkramskikh) | 16:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "UI Team Status (vkramskikh) (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:15 | |
| xarses | #action ashtokolov will generate raw inpunt from need-bp bugs for PM to review | 16:15 |
| vkramskikh | (so when we switch to features, there still will be 1 person responsible for bugfixing) | 16:15 |
| mihgen | thanks vkramskikh, you are making our bugfix graphs ) | 16:15 |
| dpyzhov | vkramskikh: thanks, really great progress | 16:16 |
| angdraug | vkramskikh: have you seen my comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231538/ ? | 16:16 |
| vkramskikh | angdraug: yep | 16:16 |
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| angdraug | I wonder if it will impact asilenkov's design for https://launchpad.net/bugs/1503278 | 16:17 |
| openstack | angdraug: Error: malone bug 1503278 not found | 16:17 |
| vkramskikh | but it is for Artem, isn't it? | 16:17 |
| vkramskikh | i doubt so | 16:17 |
| vkramskikh | I mentioned artem's activity in Expected OSCI impact section | 16:17 |
| angdraug | ok, then we just need Artem to confirm that | 16:17 |
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| angdraug | no such thing as OSCI anymore, I think your spec template is old :) | 16:17 |
| vkramskikh | ok, will check this | 16:18 |
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| angdraug | hm, no. OUR spec template is old :( | 16:18 |
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| vkramskikh | https://github.com/stackforge/fuel-specs/blob/master/specs/template.rst#expected-osci-impact | 16:18 |
| vkramskikh | yep | 16:18 |
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| ogelbukh | why it should have osci at all, it already has infra impact | 16:19 |
| angdraug | exactly | 16:19 |
| angdraug | nm, I'll fix that | 16:19 |
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| xarses | action angdraug ? | 16:19 |
| angdraug | moving on? | 16:19 |
| angdraug | sure | 16:19 |
| xarses | #topic Upgrade team status (ogelbukh) | 16:19 |
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| xarses | #action angdraug will update spec template to remove osci impact as its duplicate of infra | 16:20 |
| ogelbukh | we're in bugfix phase for fuel-octane 6.1 to 7.0 version | 16:20 |
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| ogelbukh | we have some 10 inprogress bugs and got about 6 new ones from telco team recently | 16:21 |
| ogelbukh | 2 of them are critical | 16:22 |
| angdraug | eta? | 16:22 |
| ogelbukh | our plan is to finish them by the next tuesday and release stable/7.0 on thursday | 16:22 |
| ogelbukh | which is effectively the last day of current iteration, afaict | 16:22 |
| angdraug | Wednesday is last day, Thursday is first day of next iteration | 16:23 |
| ogelbukh | OK | 16:23 |
| xarses | moving ? | 16:23 |
| angdraug | even more strictly speaking Tuesday is last day and Wednesday is retro | 16:23 |
| angdraug | yes, lets move | 16:23 |
| xarses | #topic Liberty versions schema (2015.1.0-7.0 vs liberty-8.0) | 16:23 |
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| ogelbukh | this is relatively small question | 16:24 |
| ogelbukh | there's no coordinated version number anymore | 16:24 |
| ogelbukh | so we need to decide how we number openstack version in fuel | 16:24 |
| angdraug | I think liberty-8.0 is going to be confusing vs liberty-1 milestones | 16:24 |
| ogelbukh | absolutely | 16:24 |
| angdraug | 8.0-liberty maybe? | 16:24 |
| ogelbukh | I'm 100% against using symbolic versions :) | 16:25 |
| ogelbukh | I'd go with just 8.0 fwiw | 16:25 |
| iberezovskiy | mos8.0-liberty? | 16:25 |
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| angdraug | full-blown definition should "Fuel 8.0 for OpenStack Liberty" | 16:25 |
| ogelbukh | we have Liberty mentioned in UI and elsewhere | 16:25 |
| xarses | 8.0 is useless | 16:26 |
| xarses | liberty | 16:26 |
| ogelbukh | but I'm not sure if we need it at all in fuel version itself | 16:26 |
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| ogelbukh | xarses: why so? | 16:26 |
| xarses | and a point version | 16:26 |
| ogelbukh | xarses: what about nova 12.0.0 ? ^) | 16:26 |
| xarses | because it's not supposed to be tied to fuel version | 16:26 |
| ogelbukh | is it useful? | 16:26 |
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| ogelbukh | well | 16:26 |
| xarses | manifests and release data is for that openstack version | 16:26 |
| angdraug | good point about 8.0 | 16:26 |
| ogelbukh | I'm not talking about versioning of openstack | 16:26 |
| angdraug | less places with hardcoded fuel version would be nice | 16:27 |
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| ogelbukh | it's about version of openstack included in version of fuel | 16:27 |
| xarses | eventually we will really support multiple openstack versions | 16:27 |
| ogelbukh | I'd suggest to get rid of it | 16:27 |
| ogelbukh | right | 16:27 |
| xarses | ok, lets raise it on the ML, but I think droping it will be best | 16:28 |
| angdraug | what do we use this version field for? | 16:28 |
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| ogelbukh | path to puppet modules | 16:28 |
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| ogelbukh | primarily | 16:28 |
| alex_didenko | for uploading task graph into appropriate realease via CLI | 16:28 |
| ogelbukh | maybe something else, not sure | 16:28 |
| angdraug | that's dependent of Fuel version | 16:28 |
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| ogelbukh | alex_didenko: it's fuel version, not openstack | 16:28 |
| angdraug | is it 1:1 mapped to fuel version? | 16:28 |
| ogelbukh | puppet modules are openstack version dependent | 16:29 |
| angdraug | right now any given version of fuel has exactly 1 version of puppet modules | 16:29 |
| ogelbukh | it's interesting question btw, how openstack-puppet is going to version their modules | 16:29 |
| angdraug | they don't support 1:many either | 16:29 |
| ogelbukh | angdraug: right | 16:29 |
| ogelbukh | angdraug: it could change if we support multiple versions | 16:30 |
| ogelbukh | :) | 16:30 |
| angdraug | last time xarses proposed to allow support for multiple openstack versions in the same release of puppet-openstack it was met with resistance | 16:30 |
| ogelbukh | we could ignore it for now, of course | 16:30 |
| alex_didenko | don't we already support multiple versions? | 16:30 |
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| xarses | but 'liberty' will be enough to know this | 16:30 |
| alex_didenko | if you upgrade fuel from 5.0 to 6.1 | 16:30 |
| mihgen | time folks | 16:30 |
| xarses | angdraug: we will have to switch modules path for another release version and use module from another version | 16:30 |
| ogelbukh | alex_didenko: you won't be able to deploy 5.0 anymore | 16:31 |
| angdraug | lets take it to ML, looks like not that small of a question | 16:31 |
| xarses | like I said, lets move to the ML | 16:31 |
| xarses | #topic OpenStack Infra gate jobs for Fuel enabled by https://review.openstack.org/228204 are failing (angdraug, ashtokolov) | 16:31 |
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| xarses | #action ogelbukh will raise with libery version schema and how to change that in fuel to ML | 16:31 |
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| ogelbukh | xarses: already done :) | 16:32 |
| angdraug | most of the gate jobs created by mihgen are currently failing | 16:32 |
| ashtokolov | Folks, we are working on our integration with OpenStack Infra and especially with OpenStack-CI. | 16:32 |
| angdraug | not having gates on openstack-infra is the last hurdle on the way to big tent, we should prioritize it | 16:32 |
| ashtokolov | And we are working on fixing issues with repos structure. Like paths to tox.ini | 16:33 |
| xarses | angdraug: so what do we need to do? assign cores to get the tests passing so we can move them to voting? | 16:33 |
| angdraug | one way to track this would be to treat absense or failure of a gate job in a fuel repo as a critical bug | 16:33 |
| angdraug | xarses: we don't need cores for that | 16:33 |
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| mihgen | I called for help yesterday.. ashtokolov - do we have any assignments / additional analysis | 16:33 |
| ashtokolov | Please take a look on this document https://goo.gl/Xh66NZ | 16:34 |
| ashtokolov | #link https://goo.gl/Xh66NZ | 16:34 |
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| ashtokolov | So I have a list of questions about this integration: | 16:34 |
| ashtokolov | 1. Should we turn off python34 check for all repos? | 16:34 |
| angdraug | ashtokolov: 1. we can, but only where we have to | 16:35 |
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| mihgen | python34 is ok if it continues to be non-voting | 16:35 |
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| ashtokolov | I saw only 2 or 3 repos which are ready for python34 | 16:35 |
| angdraug | #link http://governance.openstack.org/reference/project-testing-interface.html | 16:35 |
| mihgen | I think we'd need to leave python34 in non-voting | 16:35 |
| angdraug | "Projects which are compatible with Python 3 must also be able to do: Unit tests for python3.4" | 16:36 |
| mihgen | and gradually get our code ready for it | 16:36 |
| prmtl | did anyone looked how to run nailgun and ui tests on openstack infra? | 16:36 |
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| mihgen | let's make sure that we understand, it is 2nd priority now | 16:36 |
| mihgen | not first | 16:36 |
| angdraug | so leave it on and voting for repos where it already passes, and leave non-voting where it doesn't | 16:36 |
| mihgen | first one is to enable in voting python27 | 16:36 |
| ashtokolov | ok, I got | 16:36 |
| ashtokolov | 2. Which of these repos we are going to deprecate after the migration from stackforge? | 16:36 |
| angdraug | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Stackforge_Namespace_Retirement | 16:37 |
| angdraug | ^ contains a list of fuel repos that we're deprecating | 16:37 |
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| ashtokolov | 3. We have a long list of repos with checks but w/o gates. We can fix checks but should we activate gates for it too? Or it’s an overhead? | 16:38 |
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| angdraug | 3. having gates for all repos is a requirement of PTI | 16:38 |
| mihgen | +1 | 16:38 |
| ashtokolov | ok | 16:38 |
| angdraug | that being said, we should focus on most active repos first | 16:38 |
| ashtokolov | 4. Looks like there is no openstack gates for ruby. We have to ways: Use our jobs on Fuel-CI or try to add ruby job to OpenStack-CI | 16:38 |
| angdraug | fuel-library and fuel-web should be top priority | 16:39 |
| mihgen | try to use openstack infra where possible | 16:39 |
| mihgen | let's go from simpler things | 16:39 |
| angdraug | puppet-openstack runs rspec tests on openstack-infra | 16:39 |
| ashtokolov | afaik no ruby checks | 16:39 |
| angdraug | can't we just do the same? | 16:39 |
| mihgen | angdraug: why do you think that we need to do fuel-web & fuel-library as 1st priority? | 16:39 |
| mihgen | I'd say we should target those which are easier at 1st | 16:40 |
| mihgen | keep kozhukalov working on fuel-web though | 16:40 |
| ashtokolov | About Fuel-Library. First of all the biggest part of our modules are from upstream and were checked by openstack-gates before. So I think double check is useless. But we also have a short list of our own modules. And it looks like we have to create a special jenkins job in openstack-infra to cover it. mwhahaha aglarendil holser are you here? | 16:40 |
| mihgen | but have other folks doing low hanging fruits first | 16:40 |
| mwhahaha | we'll need to write some puppet jobs for fuel-library to run on infra | 16:40 |
| mwhahaha | we might be able to reuse our fuel-ci syntax and noop tests | 16:41 |
| alex_didenko | yep, for library tests we need only bundler. And puppet-openstack already has similar jobs | 16:41 |
| angdraug | if we have gates for 90% of our repos where there's only 5% of our activity, I don't think it will go well with TC | 16:41 |
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| aglarendil | folks | 16:41 |
| aglarendil | do | 16:41 |
| aglarendil | we | 16:41 |
| aglarendil | need | 16:41 |
| aglarendil | to | 16:41 |
| kozhukalov_ | mihgen, just to clarify, I'm working on splitting fuel-web, but to make Openstack CI jobs green we need to do more | 16:41 |
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| aglarendil | add real gates for Fuel Library right now ? | 16:41 |
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| aglarendil | I mean, there are no similar jobs in openstack infra | 16:42 |
| aglarendil | we cannot simply pick some of them and attach to fuel library | 16:42 |
| mihgen | aglarendil: where we can't now, we can't now | 16:42 |
| aglarendil | mihgen: I am sorry, my English grammar is lame and I did not get that | 16:42 |
| mihgen | aglarendil: so we will continue Fuel CI where openstack infra has haps | 16:42 |
| angdraug | ashtokolov: http://logs.openstack.org/48/229548/3/check/gate-puppet-nova-puppet-unit-3.3-dsvm-centos7/55f4dfc/console.html.gz | 16:43 |
| aglarendil | okay, but openstack infra actually has zero jobs we can reuse right now | 16:43 |
| xarses | we need to move along to get through the agenda, can we take this back to the ML? | 16:43 |
| mihgen | ashtokolov: we need to assign people per repos... your doc is great | 16:43 |
| mihgen | aglarendil: simple rspec? noop? | 16:43 |
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| ashtokolov | mihgen: For python checks we have to make changes in all our repos. It’s iterative process and unfortunately a lot of monkey work. Can we ask Maintainers to check for their repos? | 16:43 |
| aglarendil | noop we will need to merge | 16:43 |
| aglarendil | into openstack infra | 16:43 |
| aglarendil | rspec is already done by upstream modules | 16:44 |
| mihgen | ashtokolov: we should | 16:44 |
| angdraug | aglarendil: see the link I've just posted ^ | 16:44 |
| angdraug | that's an example of rspec test in puppet-nova | 16:44 |
| kozhukalov_ | our current fuel library gates on fuel-ci are package based, right? | 16:44 |
| aglarendil | puppet unit is already run in nova | 16:44 |
| mihgen | ashtokolov: please organize it and get back with estimates.. | 16:44 |
| angdraug | exactly what we need for our own modules in library | 16:44 |
| aglarendil | why do we need to rerun it? | 16:44 |
| mihgen | time, we need to move on | 16:44 |
| angdraug | I agree that we don't need to re-run for modules we integrate via librarian | 16:44 |
| alex_didenko | +1 | 16:44 |
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| iberezovskiy | +1 | 16:45 |
| mihgen | let's not try to decide everything now.. ashtokolov please organize it, and get back with questions if there are any in email | 16:45 |
| xenolog13 | +1 | 16:45 |
| mihgen | xarses: let's move .. | 16:45 |
| xarses | #topic Bugfix team status (dpyzhov) | 16:45 |
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| dpyzhov | wow | 16:45 |
| dpyzhov | at least | 16:45 |
| dpyzhov | Here is our current stats. I’ll again show it in format “total (UI / python / library)" | 16:45 |
| dpyzhov | Critical and high bugs: 46 (1/23/22). Last week it was 49 (1/26/22) | 16:45 |
| dpyzhov | Medium, low and wishlist bugs: 193 (47/104/42). Last week it was 252 (64/125/63) | 16:45 |
| dpyzhov | Features tracked as bug reports: 136. 105 are marked with ‘feature’ tag and 31 covered by blueprints. Last week it was 134 in total. | 16:45 |
| dpyzhov | Technical debt bugs: 101 (1/77/23). Last week it was 88 in total. Kinda huge and growing number. We’ve marked some of tech-debt bugs as High because we think them pretty important. There are 9 (0/6/3) | 16:45 |
| openstack | bug 193 in Launchpad itself "Unable to get back to the bug list after editing a bug" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193 | 16:45 |
| dpyzhov | So we big progress in medium/low/wishlist bugs. I can’t tell which effort made major contribution here. I was pushing hanged bugs, I was removing incorrectly assigned bugs, guys from several teams were fighting with bugs. We’ve merged at least 20 library+python bugfixes this week, actually. | 16:46 |
| xarses | #action ashtokolov angdraug will update ML about status and direction of openstack infra gate jobs | 16:46 |
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| dpyzhov | Let me speak little bit more about Critical/High bugs. Numbers are pretty the same. There are 0 critical bugs. There are 5 incompete bugs. There are 20 bugs in progress and 4 assigned bugs. I’m not ready to share information about bugs income this week right now. Our Launchpad reporter tells about 15 high priority bugs fixed in last 7 days. But I’m not | 16:46 |
| dpyzhov | sure it the number is correct. It shows 19 bugs created during the same period. Something is definitely wrong here. But for me it looks like we have huge income of new high priority bugs and it is not going to go any lower. I’ll try to analyse our bugs income and share results. | 16:46 |
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| dpyzhov | I'm typing damn fast | 16:46 |
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| xarses | =) | 16:47 |
| xarses | thanks | 16:47 |
| mihgen | dpyzhov: thank you. Looks like we are doing a great job in squashing medium | 16:47 |
| dpyzhov | yep | 16:48 |
| mihgen | for high, we need to investigate a source of them, I agree | 16:48 |
| mihgen | thank you for driving this and detailed reports | 16:48 |
| dpyzhov | I hope that our new taxonomy help us to have better control over bugs | 16:48 |
| enikanorov_ | may i bring a bug to team's attention? | 16:48 |
| dpyzhov | sure | 16:48 |
| enikanorov_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1495466 | 16:48 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1495466 in Fuel for OpenStack "VNC console via horizon directs to wrong URL" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Fuel Documentation Team (fuel-docs) | 16:48 |
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| mihgen | enikanorov_: what about it? | 16:49 |
| enikanorov_ | this is an axample of very confusing UX that will cost us a number of support-hours | 16:49 |
| xarses | enikanorov_: it's on the agenda | 16:49 |
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| dpyzhov | I saw this bug | 16:49 |
| xarses | moving ? | 16:49 |
| mihgen | yes let's move | 16:49 |
| xarses | #topic Multirack status (alex_didenko) | 16:49 |
| mihgen | but for this bug | 16:49 |
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| mihgen | we need a discussion or start a ML thread | 16:50 |
| mihgen | I agree with enikanorov_ | 16:50 |
| mihgen | I don't like how we treat such UX bugs at the moment | 16:50 |
| alex_didenko | We've finished scoping of multirack with static routes for 8.0. Some rough numbers in man weeks: software engineers 13, deployment engineers 5, UI 8, QA 15-17. | 16:50 |
| alex_didenko | As you can see we need to do a lot of work in nailgun, UI and tests. | 16:50 |
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| alex_didenko | As for cross-multirack HA (controllers in different racks) we'll investigate the possibility of providing this by using external load-balancer. | 16:50 |
| alex_didenko | It should be doable in 8.0 without additional changes in Fuel, already designed and scoped features should cover this use case. We just need to do some research and provide documentation on how to set it up. | 16:50 |
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| mihgen | alex_didenko: +1 on the approach, thank you | 16:51 |
| mihgen | I thought that it's gonna take less though to complete baseline with static routes... | 16:51 |
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| angdraug | moving on? | 16:52 |
| xarses | #topic Network config modularization status (rmoe) | 16:52 |
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| rmoe | As part of the Fuel modularization effort I implemented a PoC of a separate network configuration service using Flask-SQLAlchemy. | 16:52 |
| rmoe | Recently I've converted it to Pecan. My upcoming plans are to expand the Pecan API service, finish implementing the client library and write a spec for this. aglarendil is also working on serializing the data out of this service for test purposes | 16:52 |
| * yottatsa is watching on cross-multirack HA | 16:52 | |
| rmoe | there is also some other modularization work going on right now, but others would need to speak to that | 16:52 |
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| mihgen | rmoe: thanks. did you start a design spec for this work.. ? | 16:53 |
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| rmoe | today I will | 16:53 |
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| angdraug | action for rmoe? | 16:53 |
| mihgen | anyone works on serializers refactoring? | 16:53 |
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| rmoe | I'm not sure, aglarendil is working on network serialization as part of this change | 16:54 |
| mihgen | aglarendil: will you provide a possible approaches on it in etherpad and share with everyone.. ? | 16:54 |
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| rmoe | evgenyl can probably speak to those plans as well | 16:54 |
| mihgen | from architecture standpoint | 16:54 |
| rmoe | other serializer work I mean | 16:54 |
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| angdraug | time | 16:55 |
| evgenyl | Nobody is working on refactoring of current serializers. | 16:55 |
| mihgen | thanks rmoe, let's move on | 16:55 |
| angdraug | 4 minutes, 2 more topics | 16:55 |
| xarses | #topic default FQDN for ssl https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1495466 (sbog, xarses) | 16:55 |
| mihgen | I'll poke aglarendil | 16:55 |
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| evgenyl | But as it was said aglarendil is working on networking part. | 16:55 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1495466 in Fuel for OpenStack "VNC console via horizon directs to wrong URL" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Fuel Documentation Team (fuel-docs) | 16:55 |
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| akasatkin | Let's have some public docs on it | 16:55 |
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| mihgen | public docs on what.. ? | 16:55 |
| mihgen | akasatkin: serializers refactoring.. ? | 16:55 |
| akasatkin | so, etherpad as you mentionewd | 16:55 |
| sbog_ | We speak about it a little bit with Vitaly. We think that move public fqdn to wizard is rather bad idea. Have a blank field for fqdn by default also isn't so good. Seems that there is no really good solution. We can or disable TLS by default and have a blank field for public fqdn then or we can show a warning to user that also doesn't looks good. | 16:56 |
| mihgen | yep, aglarendil promised to share in private conversation | 16:56 |
| xarses | So in order to allow TLS/SSL configuration to be on by default we generate a default hostname of public.fuel.local . however this value is not correct for any end user because they will receive responses from services like keystone catalog, and in turn they get url's that they cant access because they where not aware that they needed to configure this value. The bug refrences nova vnc proxy but it impacts any service that returns the | 16:56 |
| xarses | endpoint URI such as heat and murano | 16:56 |
| xarses | so my though is that we have to change it so the user must set this value. my thought is to make the default blank but require a valid fqdn, this way the user must update the field | 16:56 |
| angdraug | why is public fqdn in wizard a bad idea? | 16:56 |
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| vkramskikh | this issue is 100% consequence of having ssl enabled by default | 16:56 |
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| mihgen | xarses: +1 | 16:57 |
| mihgen | let's require a user to ENTER fqdn | 16:57 |
| angdraug | vkramskikh: yes, but it doesn't make ssl enabled by default any less of a must-have | 16:57 |
| mihgen | BUT user may not have DNS configured still | 16:57 |
| vkramskikh | I think this is too low-level entry for a wizard. and in 8.0 we plan to move wizard config from UI description to components description, and this setting won't fit it | 16:57 |
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| angdraug | they should be forced to either enter fqdn or disable TLS | 16:58 |
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| mihgen | angdraug: +1 | 16:58 |
| vkramskikh | this would mean settings are invalid by default | 16:58 |
| angdraug | yes | 16:58 |
| sbog_ | It's bad UX | 16:58 |
| mihgen | why invalid by default? | 16:58 |
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| mihgen | why bad UX? | 16:58 |
| xarses | honestly if ssl is enabled by default this impacts 100% of users. there for FQDN and ssl enabled needs to be in the wizard | 16:58 |
| sbog_ | Because you can't have blank fqdn | 16:59 |
| angdraug | xarses: +1 | 16:59 |
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| angdraug | time | 16:59 |
| angdraug | we have one more topic and we can't skip it | 16:59 |
| bookwar_ | Last second announcement: migration from stackforge/ to openstack/ namespace is scheduled for this Saturday 17 October. This will cause disruption in CI and CI team will work over weekend to fix all the issues. Please don't plan any merges and active development for this weekend :) | 16:59 |
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| mihgen | let's have another topic | 16:59 |
| xarses | #topic stackforge/ to openstack/ rename this weekend (bookwar) | 16:59 |
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| xarses | thanks bookwar_ | 16:59 |
| mihgen | bookwar_: thanks a lot for helping and making it over weekend.. | 16:59 |
| xarses | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 15 16:59:57 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-10-15-16.00.html | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-10-15-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-10-15-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
| hyakuhei | #startmeeting Security | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 15 17:00:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Security)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:00 |
| tkelsey | o/ | 17:00 |
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| hyakuhei | o/ | 17:00 |
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| elmiko | o/ | 17:00 |
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| hyakuhei | Who would like to co-chair (in case I get called out) | 17:00 |
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| dave-mccowan | o/ | 17:00 |
| elmiko | i can hyakuhei | 17:00 |
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| hyakuhei | #chair elmiko | 17:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: elmiko hyakuhei | 17:01 |
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| nkinder | o/ | 17:01 |
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| michaelxin | o/ | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | Hey :) | 17:01 |
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| hyakuhei | I’ve got the standing agenda over here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-20151015-agenda | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | Please feel free to modify/add as required | 17:01 |
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| redrobot | o/ | 17:02 |
| elmiko | man, our agenda is getting serious ;) | 17:02 |
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| hyakuhei | It’s scary right. | 17:02 |
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| hyakuhei | We didn’t get to cover some things last week because Killick and Ansible soaked up a lot of time | 17:03 |
| ccneill | o/ | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | hey ccneill | 17:03 |
| ccneill | afternoon, all | 17:03 |
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| elmiko | true | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Summit | 17:04 |
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| tristanC | Hello! | 17:04 |
| browne | hi | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | #startvote Should we cancel next weeks meeting due to the summit? Yes, No, Maybe | 17:04 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Should we cancel next weeks meeting due to the summit? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Maybe. | 17:04 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | #vote Yes | 17:04 |
| tkelsey | #vote Yes | 17:05 |
| browne | #vote Yes | 17:05 |
| michaelxin | #vote Yes | 17:05 |
| nkinder | #vote Yes | 17:05 |
| mvaldes | #vote Yes | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | lol | 17:05 |
| elmiko | #vote yes | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | That was fun! | 17:05 |
| tkelsey | popular :P | 17:05 |
| redrobot | #vote no | 17:05 |
| nkinder | I'll already be in Tokyo next Thursday | 17:05 |
| elmiko | nice redrobot ;P | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | Trust you redrobot ! | 17:05 |
| redrobot | ccccccombo breaker! | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | nkinder: nice! I land on Monday :-s | 17:05 |
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| elmiko | lol | 17:05 |
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| hyakuhei | #endvote | 17:05 |
| openstack | Voted on "Should we cancel next weeks meeting due to the summit?" Results are | 17:05 |
| openstack | Yes (7): michaelxin, mvaldes, browne, tkelsey, hyakuhei, nkinder, elmiko | 17:06 |
| openstack | No (1): redrobot | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | ^ grrr | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | ok perfect, that really was fun! | 17:06 |
| d-9 | lol | 17:06 |
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| hyakuhei | Next up #link https://mitakadesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/Security#.Vh_bWxNVhBc | 17:06 |
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| redrobot | I'll still be in TX and this is my lunchtime entertaiment :) | 17:06 |
| tkelsey | hyakuhei is easily amused :P | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | yarp | 17:06 |
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| hyakuhei | So We’ve got fishbowls assigned, one community one and one authZ | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | As per #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-mikata-scheduling | 17:07 |
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| hyakuhei | Any big issues or concerns? | 17:07 |
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| hyakuhei | (We cant change the title of the work sessions but if you look we’ve got one for syntribos and one for bandit | 17:07 |
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| michaelxin | so, we have four sessions in total? | 17:08 |
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| bknudson | there's overlap with keystone sessions so I don't think I'll be able to make them all | 17:08 |
| elmiko | i like that the fishbowl session no one signed up to attend is making the cut =) | 17:08 |
| bknudson | record it for me | 17:09 |
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| hyakuhei | Well we had two suggested fishbowls | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | so.... | 17:09 |
| elmiko | hehe | 17:09 |
| Daviey | . | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | there. fixed. | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | Daviey: Good to see you buddy! | 17:10 |
| elmiko | don't get me wrong, i'm totally cool with it, but that's mainly my selfish desire to continue talking about it | 17:10 |
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| elmiko | hyakuhei: lol +1, love the change | 17:10 |
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| hyakuhei | elmiko: +1 I think its a cool idea though I have my reservations about it | 17:10 |
| elmiko | agreed | 17:10 |
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| hyakuhei | #topic Flyer | 17:10 |
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| hyakuhei | I think maybe it was michaelxin who suggested having a flyer for the Security project? | 17:11 |
| michaelxin | hyakuhei: Yes | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | I think that’s actually an awesome idea but I’ve not had time to come up with anything | 17:11 |
| elmiko | +1, nice idea | 17:11 |
| michaelxin | I will find a graphic designer | 17:11 |
| tkelsey | michaelxin: +1 | 17:11 |
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| hyakuhei | Thanks, I have no talent in that area | 17:11 |
| michaelxin | And come up something early next week | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | Alternatively we could just get a stack of security project business cards, Just with the links for the group and our main functions. | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | I like the flyer idea more | 17:12 |
| dg_ | stickers | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | but it needs someone else to take it on | 17:12 |
| tkelsey | dg_: +1 | 17:12 |
| michaelxin | Do you guys want this flyer to be specific to this summit? | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | Doesn’t have to be | 17:12 |
| nkinder | I think we might as well make it generic so we can reuse it at meetups | 17:12 |
| elmiko | i think generic would be nice | 17:12 |
| michaelxin | +1 | 17:12 |
| ccneill | +1 stickers | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | I like the idea of getting them out at the security sessions | 17:13 |
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| hyakuhei | We need stickers anyway | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | :D | 17:13 |
| ccneill | is there an OSSG logo? | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | No, wanna do one? | 17:13 |
| elmiko | hyakuhei: +9000 | 17:13 |
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| ccneill | I do dabble in PHotoshop | 17:13 |
| Daviey | (hyakuhei: Sorry, not ignoring you.. Distracted by a real life meeting) | 17:13 |
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| michaelxin | haha | 17:13 |
| ccneill | I can try to come up with something | 17:13 |
| dg_ | ccneill i dont think its called OSSG anymore... | 17:13 |
| * hyakuhei hrmmph's | 17:13 | |
| ccneill | no promises though, it's not my day job ;) | 17:13 |
| michaelxin | I will ask the designer to come up with a logo too | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | OpenStack Security Project | 17:13 |
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| dg_ | OSSP? | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | Please do both, you guys are awesome | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | dg_: sssh. | 17:14 |
| michaelxin | So, we are not Openstack Security Group? | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | Not since we went big-tent | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | We’re the official OpenStack security project | 17:14 |
| michaelxin | OK, OSSP then. | 17:14 |
| ccneill | Openstack Security Project / OSSP, got it | 17:14 |
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| hyakuhei | because each $big-tent-thing is a “project" | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | Not team or ninja horde - both were rejected by the TC when I tried. | 17:15 |
| michaelxin | Not sure whether we have time for stickers by next week | 17:15 |
| ccneill | OpenStack Security Cabal | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | michaelxin: probably not but we’re making a start which is cool | 17:15 |
| tkelsey | ccneill: lol | 17:15 |
| elmiko | haha | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | Top of list for next summit for me is publicity, getting a number of cross projects in etc | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | but for this one it’s getting the crypto ducks in a row and trying to get more involved with the contianer people | 17:16 |
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| michaelxin | Just in time for our promotion in Austin. | 17:16 |
| michaelxin | ccneill: will talk about OSSP in Austin openstack meetup | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah I think that’ll be a good venue to really start pushing our influence, we’re continuing to gain momentum and pick up new members | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | and convincing project | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | (projects) | 17:17 |
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| hyakuhei | Like Syntribos, Bandit etc | 17:17 |
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| hyakuhei | I haven’t arranged a specific meetup for Security at the summit because the agenda is rammed already and we largely consist of dual homed developers like bknudson | 17:18 |
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| hyakuhei | However, if anyone can see a good time to meet please feel free to suggest it | 17:18 |
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| elmiko | karaoke after midnight? | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | Why not! | 17:19 |
| elmiko | hehe | 17:19 |
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| michaelxin | elmiko: +1 | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | Anything else summit related ? | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | #topic OSSN | 17:20 |
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| hyakuhei | nkinder: Are you subscribed to the emargoed OSSN? | 17:20 |
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| nkinder | hyakuhei: I believe so (if it's the issue I'm thinking of) | 17:20 |
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| hyakuhei | Yeah there’s only one. It’s ready to be openly discussed / published now | 17:21 |
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| hyakuhei | [the notification window closed] | 17:21 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: this is the one tmcpeak worked on, right? | 17:21 |
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| hyakuhei | he and I wrote it up, yes | 17:21 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: so if it's ready to expose, then we should put it in an official review and we can fast-track it through | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | I’m fine with that | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | Sorry @all | 17:22 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: do you or tmcpeak want to create the review? | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | Sure I’ve just asked for the bug 1493448 to be opened up | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | Then I’ll do the review, add the fixes-bug etc | 17:22 |
| nkinder | Ok, great. | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | So @all, there was a vulnerability in glance that we decided needed an OSSN rather than an OSSA | 17:23 |
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| hyakuhei | For the first time though we felt the issue was so severe that downstream stakeholders deserved to get advanced notice of the OSSN before it was more widely published | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | it’s nice for the VMT to show that much faith in the OSSN process | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | nkinder: what’s the general state of the other OSSN? | 17:24 |
| nkinder | So for non-embargoed stuff, there's one glance one that I just pushed through. It should merge later today, then I'll publish it. | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | sweet! | 17:24 |
| nkinder | There's a trusted compute one that just needs some minor updates that elmiko pointed out | 17:24 |
| elmiko | very nice | 17:24 |
| nkinder | I think michaelxin was working on that one | 17:24 |
| michaelxin | I will update it today. | 17:24 |
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| nkinder | michaelxin: thanks! | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | I’ll look to review it tomorrow am. Thanks michaelxin | 17:25 |
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| nkinder | I think we should retire this one - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136203/ | 17:25 |
| elmiko | yea, i'll keep an eye out today | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:25 |
| michaelxin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/220263/8/security-notes/OSSN-0059 | 17:25 |
| nkinder | Ok, I'll abandon it | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | heh, depreciating vs deprecating. good catch. | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | The way I spell there’s a 50/50 chance it’d auto-correct into either of those | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | Anything else OSSN? | 17:26 |
| nkinder | So that's the review queue for OSSNs. I believe we have a few other new ones to be picked up | 17:27 |
| nkinder | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/ | 17:27 |
| nkinder | The backlog doesn't look too bad though | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah we cleared a lot of that out post mid-cycle | 17:27 |
| * ccneill bumps https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/+bug/1497031 | 17:27 | |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1497031 in OpenStack Security Notes "Authenticated Denial of Service in Blacklists" [Undecided,New] | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | probably a few there we could jump onto | 17:27 |
| ccneill | <_< | 17:27 |
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| ccneill | I'd be happy to write it up, just haven't done it before. I can work with michaelxin on it | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | Hehe, that’s a nice issue | 17:28 |
| ccneill | yeah.. gotta <3 regexes | 17:28 |
| elmiko | ccneill: feel free to ping in openstack-security too, we have plenty of experienced folks now =) | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security/Security_Note_Process | 17:28 |
| ccneill | will do :) | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | yeah, quite a few of us can help | 17:28 |
| michaelxin | ccneill: +1 | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | Best bet if you’re not sure is to get it up for review early | 17:28 |
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| elmiko | +1 | 17:28 |
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| hyakuhei | Rather than slaving on something that might go in the wrong direction we can work on it more collaboratively but as you’re the reporter I’m sure this’ll go smoothly | 17:29 |
| ccneill | I'll do my best haha | 17:29 |
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| hyakuhei | #topic Ansible Hardening | 17:29 |
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| ccneill | I feel like there's a doc somewhere describing the OSSN write-up process, but I can't find it in my bookmarks at the moment | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | ^ I linked it above | 17:30 |
| ccneill | shweet | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | mhayden has been super busy #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/openstack-ansible-security,n,z | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | It’d be nice to show some support and review a few of those, maybe even add some. It seems like a valuable project | 17:31 |
| michaelxin | we are glad to help. | 17:31 |
| michaelxin | Greg already talked with Major. | 17:31 |
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| elmiko | i need to skill-up more on ansible... | 17:31 |
| michaelxin | He will help with code reviewing. | 17:31 |
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| hyakuhei | elmiko: review-wise it’s not to hard to read and understand what’s going on | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | excellent | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | #topic PR | 17:32 |
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| hyakuhei | tmcpeak couldn’t be here so I’ll raise this :) | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/13GG47EdoQCBEGqMe7ji_UzfO9okMTLgbnK5_UpoaXYA/edit?usp=sharing | 17:33 |
| elmiko | hyakuhei: i did take a look, just didn't want to add noise. i'll circle back around though. | 17:33 |
| elmiko | that deck is looking nice | 17:34 |
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| hyakuhei | The deck is coming together well, it needs some dry runs and perhaps some tweaks but it’s pretty good as is. Thank you to everyone who contributed | 17:34 |
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| Daviey | hyakuhei: are there any gaps left? | 17:35 |
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| hyakuhei | Daviey: none of my bits :P | 17:36 |
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| hyakuhei | tmcpeak can do a runthrough with us during lunch at the summit | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | Bascially it needs _lots_ more speaking notes | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | at the moment there’s good slides but not much guidance for people who might not be very familiar with each of our main activities | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | Nathaniel isn’t around to talk about docs | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | tkelsey: bandit? | 17:37 |
| tkelsey | can do | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Bandit | 17:37 |
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| tkelsey | so we pushed 0.14.0 and then 0.14.1 | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | whoop! | 17:37 |
| elmiko | nice | 17:37 |
| tkelsey | should be no fallout for people using it in the gate, anyone spots somthing. let me know | 17:38 |
| michaelxin | nice | 17:38 |
| browne | so we could still use some more documentation for the plugins | 17:38 |
| tkelsey | lots of nice new features, checkout the info on PyPI | 17:38 |
| tkelsey | browne: yeah for sure | 17:38 |
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| tkelsey | but we have somthing now at least | 17:38 |
| Daviey | tkelsey: Sorry for being absent, but how is the gate checking looking? | 17:38 |
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| tkelsey | Daviey: looking good, you can run the coverage script to see for yourself :) | 17:39 |
| tkelsey | tools/coverage.py i think | 17:39 |
| Daviey | yeah, i saw that,.... nice! | 17:39 |
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| tkelsey | I would also like feedback on this #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/235491/ | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | I just saw the weak curve plugin, very nice. | 17:40 |
| tkelsey | its the first baby steps to making a symbol table for deeper inspection in bandit | 17:40 |
| browne | hyakuhei: thx, but i also forgot to doc it | 17:40 |
| tkelsey | hyakuhei: yes its nice to see new crypto tests going in | 17:40 |
| tkelsey | browne: yup, docs please :) | 17:41 |
| tkelsey | I dont think there is too much else bandit related, anyone got anything else? | 17:41 |
| browne | we should also consider bumping g-r bandit version at some point | 17:41 |
| elmiko | tkelsey: symbol stuff looks interesting | 17:41 |
| tkelsey | elmiko: thanks, its very experimental | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | I don’t think we have anything Anchor related | 17:41 |
| ccneill | tkelsey: this looks very cool | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | elmiko tkelsey yes | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | I can see by the commit how stressy it was :P | 17:42 |
| tkelsey | haha :) | 17:42 |
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| hyakuhei | adfkjnasdf Experimental ajsdnfkafba symbols asjbkdfa.... | 17:42 |
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| elmiko | lol | 17:42 |
| tkelsey | :P that's how i normally type | 17:42 |
| hyakuhei | Anywho, it has the potential to allow you to do some very clever things with Bandit, good work tkelsey | 17:42 |
| michaelxin | tkelsey: good job | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | So nothing much to say on Anchor this week. Maybe dg_ and redrobot could argue about Killick for a while ? | 17:43 |
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| redrobot | :) | 17:43 |
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| dg_ | lol | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | I think that’s everything we had on the agenda this week :D | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | Also, we had an agenda this week! | 17:44 |
| tkelsey | nice :) | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Any other business | 17:44 |
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| dg_ | good work | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | Anything to add before we close? | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | Remember, no meeting next week! | 17:44 |
| redrobot | dg_ will you be attending the summit? I think it would be good to catch up | 17:44 |
| michaelxin | what's our plan for container project? | 17:44 |
| michaelxin | container security project | 17:45 |
| hyakuhei | michaelxin: can you elaborate ? | 17:45 |
| dg_ | redrobot unfortunately not, but rob can cover any PKI stuff | 17:45 |
| hyakuhei | +! | 17:45 |
| michaelxin | That's one of the topics listed in mid-cycle. | 17:45 |
| michaelxin | But we did not have time then. | 17:45 |
| hyakuhei | Oh right ok | 17:45 |
| hyakuhei | So there’s so much container magic moving around at the moment | 17:46 |
| shelleea007 | im interested in the container project as well | 17:46 |
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| hyakuhei | Magnum is trying to decide if it’s a COE facilitator or more of an updated Nova-Docker | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | Kolla is a thing I don’t really understand | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | plus a bunch of otheres | 17:46 |
| michaelxin | Synopsis: Containers make security more challenging both with introspection, internal networking, and at-scale tooling. OpenStack currently has no security documentation around containers, and no resources looking at the specs on Magnum, Kuryr, or Kolla. This will be a discussion around how the container release cycle (Docker has been as much as 3 months, and as little as 3 weeks) fits into larger efforts like Kubernetes | 17:46 |
| michaelxin | with OpenStack. | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | I don’t think there’s enough stability there to really throw effort in. | 17:47 |
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| elmiko | helping with container orchestration security seems more bang for the buck, imo | 17:47 |
| elmiko | the containers themselves are still the wild-wild-west | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | In the openstack context, containers are normally layered ontop of compute which somewhat isolates them | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei | from say, baremetal containers | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei | which would need a whole heap of extra controls | 17:48 |
| elmiko | ok | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei | I’m interested in a roadmap item on this and it seems like a good crossproject/fishbowl for austin but I’m open to ideas around how we could move on this more quickly | 17:48 |
| elmiko | +1 | 17:49 |
| michaelxin | +1 | 17:49 |
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| michaelxin | One of my team member showed strong interest and wants to lead the efforts. | 17:49 |
| michaelxin | I will check with him | 17:50 |
| elmiko | cool | 17:50 |
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| hyakuhei | excellent | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | Anything else for today ? | 17:50 |
| ccneill | so.. I started working on some fuzzing utilities for functional tests (used in barbican & designate) before we started on Syntribos, and I'm trying to get them a home in tempest-lib. if anyone has some time to take a look, I'd appreciate it greatly. not a lot of interest so far it seems. this CR is basically a skeleton at this point, but I have a lot of fuzz strings to add in a follow-on CR. | 17:50 |
| ccneill | you can also see them in the earlier patches. #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/216303/ | 17:50 |
| ccneill | wow, that was even longer than I thought haha | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | I’ll take a look :) | 17:51 |
| elmiko | ccneill: someone pointed this out to me last week, or so, i'll take another look. thanks! | 17:51 |
| ccneill | ty :) | 17:51 |
| tkelsey | ccneill: will look | 17:51 |
| hyakuhei | nice work ccneill | 17:51 |
| ccneill | thanks, all | 17:51 |
| hyakuhei | Ok, I think we’re done here! Thanks everyone! | 17:52 |
| hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 17:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 15 17:52:12 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-10-15-17.00.html | 17:52 |
| tkelsey | thanks hyakuhei | 17:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-10-15-17.00.txt | 17:52 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-10-15-17.00.log.html | 17:52 |
| nkinder | thanks! | 17:52 |
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| ccneill | adios! | 17:52 |
| elmiko | thanks hyakuhei | 17:52 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | hey sahara folks! | 17:59 |
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| huichun | hello | 17:59 |
| elmiko | hi | 17:59 |
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| AndreyPavlov | hi | 17:59 |
| huichun | back from holiday | 17:59 |
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| elmiko | welcome back huichun =) | 18:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting sahara | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 15 18:00:21 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:00 |
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| crobertsrh | hel\o/ | 18:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | huichun, how was you holidays? | 18:00 |
| elmiko | o/ | 18:00 |
| huichun | nice thx guys | 18:00 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 18:00 |
| vgridnev | hey! | 18:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | actually I wan't to start today with cleaning up the design summit schedule | 18:01 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Mitaka / Tokyo design summit | 18:01 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-sahara-session-plans | 18:01 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I've put a few more items there | 18:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | let's discuss the items one by one | 18:02 |
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| elmiko | i have 1 conflict on thursday at 11:50 | 18:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | if you'll scroll the ideas, I've added the "Sessions schedule proposal for summit" section | 18:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | it's a 2nd working session | 18:02 |
| elmiko | yea, just wanted to give a heads up. i'm gonna be doing one of the fishbowls for security project as well | 18:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I've agreed with heat guys to move there session to avoid conflict and that's great | 18:03 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, ack, so let's put some stssion in sahara summit that you could skip | 18:03 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: thanks, i appreciate it =) | 18:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we have 2 fish bowls from 9am, than 5 working sessions | 18:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, let's start with topics for fishbowls | 18:04 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | initial proposal is UX and Sahara state | 18:04 |
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| elmiko | sounds good to me | 18:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | IMO Sahara state should be the last session (if it even should be) | 18:05 |
| elmiko | you want something more design oriented instead of state? | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yeah, because state is the two parts - what's done in Liberty (retrospective) | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and what will be doing in Mitaka | 18:05 |
| elmiko | good point | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | *but* if it'll be 1st or 2nd session - it'll be before actual discussion:) | 18:06 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I think the good place for the retro is the beginning of meetup and plans overview - end of meetup | 18:06 |
| crobertsrh | For UX, I assume we're not just talking about the UI, right? | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | what do you think about it guys? | 18:06 |
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| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: i think that makes sense | 18:07 |
| crobertsrh | Yeah, +1 | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, I think so, we definitely need to discuss the overall UX for the operations | 18:07 |
| elmiko | +1 | 18:07 |
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| elmiko | especially the plans for our own repo (again...) | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ++ | 18:08 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | if no objections for the "sahara state" I'll put an #agreed note | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #agreed to start meetup with "what's done in Liberty" and end it with "Plans overview for Mitaka" | 18:09 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | so, I think we agreed to keep UX as fishbowl | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | from my point of view it should be dedicated to the UX issues and improvements | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and to have separated UI session to discuss tech debt | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | like moving back to own repo, integration tests for the UI and etc. | 18:10 |
| crobertsrh | +1...they are different things for sure | 18:10 |
| elmiko | should we do the other fishbowl about the possibility of ssh vs. guest agent? | 18:10 |
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| elmiko | or are you saying 2 fishbowls on ux? | 18:11 |
| crobertsrh | I don't think so...I think he's saying that the UI session is a working session | 18:11 |
| crobertsrh | ...where we talk about lots of largely known UI things. | 18:12 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | UX as fishbowl and UI as working session | 18:12 |
| crobertsrh | UX is a fishbowl where we hope to gather issues and ideas for improvement from "the community" | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yup | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and propose some improvements for UX | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | (i have idea that we should teach sahara to auto-download images) | 18:13 |
| * SergeyLukjanov becoming to old for doing it each time | 18:13 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | too old* | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 18:13 |
| crobertsrh | Ha | 18:13 |
| crobertsrh | Maybe even boot a "plain" image and then install the plugin's bits from there?? | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any objections for fishbowl UX and working session for UI tech things? | 18:14 |
| crobertsrh | No objection from me | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh probably | 18:14 |
| elmiko | none from me | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #agreed to have fishbowl UX and working session for UI tech things | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, we have 1 mire fishbowl and 4 working sessions :) | 18:15 |
| elmiko | maybe plugins for the second fishbowl? | 18:15 |
| crobertsrh | Seems like it could have a wider audience | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'm afraid it's too technical | 18:16 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | oh, we have two proposas for plugins | 18:16 |
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| crobertsrh | Or possibly EDP as fishbowl? | 18:16 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | in fact we have "new plugins" and "decouple plugins" | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, I like this idea | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | the future of EDP - which new jobs should be supported and etc | 18:17 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | collect feedback from users | 18:17 |
| crobertsrh | Yes | 18:17 |
| elmiko | fair | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | propose some new job types and capabilities | 18:17 |
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| elmiko | seems like we could put plugins future in with edp as well. at least in terms of getting ideas for new plugins from users. | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it could be something missed - like what are the new plugins and edp job types we should support in mitaka | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 18:18 |
| elmiko | lol | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | sounds like agreed :) | 18:18 |
| huichun | will better edp job log included? | 18:18 |
| crobertsrh | +1 | 18:18 |
| huichun | SergeyLukjanov: | 18:18 |
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| crobertsrh | huichun: That could fall under UX or EDP, I guess | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | huichun I would say it's technical or UX part | 18:18 |
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| crobertsrh | I don't think anyone would say we don't need better edp logging though :) | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #agreed fishbowl session for "new plugins and edp jobs" | 18:19 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, yeah :) | 18:19 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | okay, 2 fishbowls and 1 working session agreed | 18:20 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I think we definitely need a Security working session | 18:20 |
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| crobertsrh | +1 | 18:21 |
| elmiko | yea, i think we have more than enough to plan for mitaka | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | agree | 18:21 |
| tosky | egafford is not around, but I think we need the one for image generation | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we could review the design for new security approach elmiko working on | 18:21 |
| elmiko | plus i have a bunch of other security work that we can talk about and hopefully get more folks interested in helping =) | 18:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, are you prefer to skip the UI tech part vs something else? | 18:22 |
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| elmiko | hmm | 18:22 |
| crobertsrh | tosky: I really like image generation as a topic as well. | 18:22 |
| elmiko | i do find the ui stuff interesting, but i'm gonna have to miss something.. :/ | 18:22 |
| elmiko | tosky: +1 | 18:23 |
| * crobertsrh boos elmiko and his apathy toward the UI | 18:23 | |
| elmiko | what... i actually want to attend that one | 18:23 |
| elmiko | i'm just acknowledging that i will have to miss *something* | 18:23 |
| * crobertsrh may retract his boo | 18:24 | |
| elmiko | haha | 18:24 |
| elmiko | ;) | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'm +1 for image generation improvements | 18:24 |
| crobertsrh | #agreed? | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | no objections for image gen working session? | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #agreed to have security working session | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #agreed to have image gen working session | 18:25 |
| elmiko | +1 | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | okay, two more sessions | 18:26 |
| huichun | +1 for image gen working | 18:26 |
| tosky | so, who is going to propose api v2? | 18:26 |
| * tosky looks at elmiko | 18:26 | |
| crobertsrh | Do we dare go for api2? | 18:26 |
| elmiko | <.< | 18:26 |
| elmiko | >.> | 18:26 |
| elmiko | i was just about to say something | 18:26 |
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| crobertsrh | It's the api v2 world tour....Atlanta, Paris, Vancouver, Tokyo | 18:27 |
| elmiko | i think we have a solid plan for apiv2, if folks want to discuss the plan more i'm all game. otherwise, imo, it's just down to execution at this point. | 18:27 |
| huichun | i heard about v2 since when I am in Sahara ^^ | 18:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, I think we should book an hour to go through the API changes and highlights during the meetup | 18:28 |
| elmiko | i could do an exhaustive run-down of what i think we will need to do to release an experimental v2 by mitaka-rc | 18:28 |
| crobertsrh | Sahara v2 was formerly Savanna v2 :) | 18:28 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: cool, i'm good with that =) | 18:28 |
| elmiko | crobertsrh: lol, so true... i had to finally close out the bp that matt put together | 18:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 18:28 |
| crobertsrh | Yeah, might be good to get everyone on the same page and really fired-up for it. | 18:28 |
| elmiko | awesome | 18:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | agree | 18:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and got an agreement on the first steps and start reviewing design step by step and implementing this steps ;) | 18:29 |
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| crobertsrh | Yes | 18:29 |
| elmiko | sounds good, i will work on the pad for that and put together something about how we can divide the task nicely | 18:29 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | what's about having a working session dedicated to the deprecation policies and plugins decoupling? | 18:30 |
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| elmiko | that's probably wise | 18:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #agreed api v2 on meetup | 18:30 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I think it's time to review the plugins deprecation policy and it's high coupled with how we'd like to develop plugins in 1 year | 18:31 |
| tosky | what's left from the list? | 18:31 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | no objections for working session dedicated to the deprecation policies and plugins decoupling? | 18:31 |
| crobertsrh | I do not object. | 18:31 |
| tosky | so separate from the one from new plugins? | 18:31 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: yea, it would be nice to have some sort of deprecation policy we could point users towards | 18:31 |
| elmiko | tosky: new plugins and edp will share a fishbowl | 18:32 |
| tosky | oh, right | 18:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | cool, we have one more slot | 18:32 |
| tosky | it's an "f" | 18:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | f? | 18:33 |
| tosky | the letter before fishbowl, I misread on the pad | 18:33 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | we have agents in a list | 18:33 |
| tosky | the remaining items on the list are: Tests, EDP logs, Zaqar vs ssh (or is it this part of Security?) | 18:34 |
| crobertsrh | Tests are important | 18:34 |
| elmiko | i think we should really try to talk with the trove folks before we plan on a guest agent | 18:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'm now checking when the trove sessions will be | 18:34 |
| elmiko | yea, i'd be more for a testing session that guest agent | 18:35 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | so, for the testing session - we could discuss future of scenario framework, think about how to improve unit test coverage, probably on some improved functional and upgrades testing | 18:36 |
| huichun | so should we generate a test coverage report? | 18:37 |
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| elmiko | coverage appears to be broken currently | 18:39 |
| elmiko | (at least, it is for me) | 18:39 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I will check | 18:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | sounds like agreed on a testing session? | 18:40 |
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| elmiko | i opened this a week ago, https://bugs.launchpad.net/sahara/+bug/1503912 | 18:41 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1503912 in Sahara "Coverage tests have several errors" [Medium,Incomplete] | 18:41 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, I'll take a look, have a few ideas | 18:42 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #agreed to have a testing working session | 18:42 |
| elmiko | cool, thanks =) | 18:42 |
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| elmiko | i think coverage is awesome, and working towards 100% should definitely be a goal | 18:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | okay, we're done with design summit schedule | 18:43 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, agreed | 18:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | folks, I think we should discuss chairs for the sessions as well | 18:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, would you like to take the UX and UI? | 18:44 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko - security | 18:44 |
| crobertsrh | I'd rather just take the UI. I wouldn't mind co-chairing UX though. | 18:44 |
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| elmiko | i can certainly take sec and api v2 | 18:44 |
| crobertsrh | I'm afraid that if I do the UX that I'll wind-up making it more about UI. | 18:44 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'll take deprecation and co-chair plugins related | 18:44 |
| elmiko | maybe egafford would want to take UX? | 18:44 |
| crobertsrh | I bet he would. | 18:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, yup, I think so | 18:45 |
| elmiko | (he's already on the way to japan) | 18:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | image gen - egafford too? | 18:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, will you be on summit? | 18:45 |
| elmiko | i'd say yea, unless tosky will be there | 18:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, oh, week before, cool :) | 18:45 |
| tosky | SergeyLukjanov: I will | 18:45 |
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| crobertsrh | Awesome! I didn't realize that tosky was going to be there! | 18:46 |
| SergeyLukjanov | cool, would you like to co-chair the image gen with egafford? | 18:46 |
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| tosky | so Ethan and/or me, totally fine as you wish :) | 18:46 |
| elmiko | nice =) | 18:47 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, I think you're interested a lot in testing things, so, let's co-chair the tests session | 18:47 |
| tosky | ack, fine by me | 18:47 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | cool | 18:47 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and we have someone to chair the edp part of "New plugins and edp jobs" | 18:47 |
| SergeyLukjanov | egafford or tmckay I think | 18:48 |
| crobertsrh | tmckay | 18:48 |
| elmiko | +1 | 18:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | let's put Trevor for it | 18:48 |
| crobertsrh | Wow, Trevor should have been assigned a lot more since he's not here today. | 18:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 18:48 |
| elmiko | lol, totally crobertsrh | 18:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | cool we have a schedule :) | 18:49 |
| SergeyLukjanov | Thu morning (Oct 29), 9:00am - 4:10pm | 18:49 |
| SergeyLukjanov | f: UX (agreed) - egafford? | 18:49 |
| SergeyLukjanov | f: New plugins and edp jobs (agreed) - sl + tmckay | 18:49 |
| SergeyLukjanov | w: Security (agreed) - elmiko | 18:49 |
| SergeyLukjanov | w: UI tech (agreed) - croberts // conflicts: elmiko | 18:49 |
| SergeyLukjanov | w: Image gen (agreed) - egafford + tosky | 18:49 |
| SergeyLukjanov | w: deprecation policies and plugins decoupling (agreed) - sl | 18:49 |
| SergeyLukjanov | w: tests (agreed) - tosky + sl | 18:49 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'll put it into sched today | 18:49 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: i thought we were going to do some planning for apiv2, is that on friday? | 18:49 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | anyone mind I'm writing myself "sl"? :) | 18:49 |
| crobertsrh | elmiko: I think that is a friday thing | 18:49 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, yeah, I thought we agreed to book slot on friday meetup, are you ok with it? | 18:50 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: fine by me | 18:50 |
| crobertsrh | When you're the PTL, you can do as you please :) | 18:50 |
| elmiko | yes, friday is great =) | 18:50 |
| elmiko | whoa whoa whoa... | 18:50 |
| elmiko | ;) | 18:50 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | hm, me trying to google the transation for "whoa" :) | 18:51 |
| elmiko | haha | 18:51 |
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| elmiko | it's an exclamation, like "whoa!, hold on there" | 18:51 |
| crobertsrh | Heh | 18:52 |
| crobertsrh | There was an actor, Joey Lawrence, that made pretty much his entire career out of saying, "whoa!" | 18:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 18:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | heh, thx for explanation and sorry for my english :) | 18:52 |
| elmiko | no worries =) | 18:53 |
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| crobertsrh | Your English is superior to my Russian, so keep with it! | 18:53 |
| elmiko | +1 | 18:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 18:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Important news and updates | 18:53 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | we have only 6 mins left | 18:54 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, do we have something important to share? | 18:54 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, vgridnev, any important things on horizon side? | 18:54 |
| crobertsrh | I've got 4 manila-related UI patches up for review. They are on the list. Take a peek if you have a chance. | 18:54 |
| crobertsrh | 2 old ones and 2 new ones for adding shares to ng and cluster templates. | 18:54 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, do you have running and working manila? | 18:54 |
| vgridnev | yes, the several | 18:54 |
| crobertsrh | I do | 18:54 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh RDO or devstack? | 18:55 |
| crobertsrh | devstack | 18:55 |
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| crobertsrh | there is a manila plugin for devstack. Works well for me. | 18:55 |
| vgridnev | Ok, then I going to try that soon | 18:56 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh any complex config or works out of the box? | 18:56 |
| elmiko | yea, manila plugin for devstack seem solid. works for me too | 18:56 |
| crobertsrh | I'm going with the out of the box setup. | 18:56 |
| SergeyLukjanov | oh, congrats vgridnev with becoming the core :) | 18:56 |
| crobertsrh | Yes, congrats again! | 18:57 |
| elmiko | \o/ grats vgridnev =) | 18:57 |
| tosky | congratulations :) | 18:57 |
| SergeyLukjanov | cool, I should try manila plugin too | 18:57 |
| vgridnev | thanks, folks | 18:57 |
| huichun | congrats | 18:57 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | 2 mins left :) | 18:57 |
| elmiko | zaqar works nicely as well with devstack. we are using it for a demo of spark stream processing sahara controller logs =) | 18:57 |
| elmiko | come see our talk at summit! | 18:58 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko :) | 18:58 |
| crobertsrh | +1 elmiko | 18:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | hope it'll not conflict with design summit | 18:59 |
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| crobertsrh | of course not :) | 18:59 |
| elmiko | i looked, i don't think it will | 18:59 |
| elmiko | well, for me at least ;P | 18:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | okay, thx folks! | 18:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 15 18:59:59 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-10-15-18.00.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-10-15-18.00.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-10-15-18.00.log.html | 19:00 |
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| elmiko | thanks SergeyLukjanov | 19:00 |
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| sriram | #startmeeting poppy | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 15 19:02:52 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sriram. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: poppy)" | 19:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'poppy' | 19:02 |
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| sriram | wow amitgandhinz is here.. :P | 19:03 |
| amitgandhinz | \o/ | 19:03 |
| * sriram sees him lurking | 19:03 | |
| sriram | ha | 19:03 |
| tonytan4ever | o/ | 19:03 |
| sriram | alrighty then | 19:04 |
| sriram | #topic Review last week's action items | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review last week's action items (Meeting topic: poppy)" | 19:04 | |
| cathR_ | o/ | 19:04 |
| sriram | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy/2015/poppy.2015-10-08-19.13.html | 19:04 |
| sriram | amitgandhinz: resurrection of https://review.openstack.org/143192 | 19:05 |
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| sriram | how did that go? | 19:05 |
| amitgandhinz | still dead | 19:05 |
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| amitgandhinz | i wont be able to look at it until after i get back from the summit | 19:05 |
| sriram | alright | 19:05 |
| sriram | lets not set an action item for that this time. | 19:06 |
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| amitgandhinz | ya | 19:06 |
| sriram | We didnt have too many other action items. | 19:06 |
| sriram | Moving on | 19:06 |
| sriram | #topic Liberty-3 updates | 19:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Liberty-3 updates (Meeting topic: poppy)" | 19:06 | |
| sriram | https://launchpad.net/poppy/+milestone/liberty-3 | 19:07 |
| sriram | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/akamai-ssl-driver | 19:07 |
| sriram | how is that going, tonytan4ever | 19:07 |
| sriram | I think we have fair amount of patches for that | 19:07 |
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| tonytan4ever | I'd say it is under review. | 19:07 |
| sriram | DELETE cert, GET cert etc | 19:07 |
| tonytan4ever | Those are under review too, though they are relatively less important PRs for us. | 19:08 |
| sriram | I think we can leave that under good progress, I think this should be done pretty soon. | 19:08 |
| tonytan4ever | Okay | 19:08 |
| sriram | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/gate-api-tests | 19:08 |
| sriram | amitgandhinz: I know you were working on this sometime back | 19:09 |
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| amitgandhinz | yeh i took my name off it | 19:09 |
| sriram | but I dont see it assigned to anyone right now. | 19:09 |
| amitgandhinz | basically its at the point where we need to figure out how to get docker running on the gate instances | 19:09 |
| sriram | yeah, as we get more bandwidth lets pick that up, and also talk to infra about it. | 19:09 |
| sriram | do they currently support it? | 19:09 |
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| sriram | amitgandhinz: ^ | 19:09 |
| sriram | tonytan4ever: ^ | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | they do for stackforge projects, but with everything moving to openstack idk if it changes anything | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | maybe for core stuff you cant use it, but big tent may allow it | 19:10 |
| sriram | "The only thing thats changed, is everything" ha. | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | lets wait until after the migration (oct 17) | 19:10 |
| sriram | amitgandhinz: righto | 19:10 |
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| sriram | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/devstack | 19:11 |
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| sriram | I know miqui, was on this for some time. | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | no one has started this | 19:11 |
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| sriram | oh | 19:11 |
| sriram | let me check if miqui is hanging out on poppy | 19:11 |
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| sriram | ok pinged him there, maybe he might join us. | 19:12 |
| sriram | ok moving on | 19:12 |
| sriram | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/mimic-racksapce-dns | 19:13 |
| sriram | yeah, this is probably gonna be next on the list, to do. | 19:14 |
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| amitgandhinz | yeh i think this will be knocked out with those dns tests | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | the dns driver needs some love | 19:15 |
| tonytan4ever | +1 | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | maybe get some designate going with it too would be awesome | 19:15 |
| sriram | amitgandhinz: +22 heh | 19:15 |
| tonytan4ever | This could also help us get away from pyrax too. | 19:15 |
| sriram | yup agreed | 19:15 |
| sriram | alrighty | 19:16 |
| sriram | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/code-coverage | 19:16 |
| sriram | miqui was working on this, maybe we can sync up with him back on the poppy channel | 19:16 |
| sriram | he is hanging out there. | 19:16 |
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| sriram | Moving on. | 19:17 |
| sriram | #topic Bugs | 19:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: poppy)" | 19:17 | |
| sriram | naah, poppy has 0 bugs. :P | 19:17 |
| * sriram waits for anyone else to disagree | 19:17 | |
| amitgandhinz | i see plenty lol | 19:17 |
| tonytan4ever | I am here. | 19:17 |
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| sriram | lol | 19:17 |
| amitgandhinz | https://bugs.launchpad.net/poppy/+bugs?orderby=status&start=0 | 19:18 |
| amitgandhinz | they need to be groomed tho | 19:18 |
| sriram | yes. | 19:18 |
| amitgandhinz | moving on | 19:18 |
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| sriram | we cant order bugs by date.. :| | 19:19 |
| sriram | ok lets groom them a bit later. | 19:19 |
| sriram | #topic Tokyo Openstack Summit | 19:20 |
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| sriram | soooooo, amitgandhinz and malini are going to Tokyo! | 19:20 |
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| amitgandhinz | so i am working on the pressie =p | 19:20 |
| * sriram claps | 19:20 | |
| amitgandhinz | im waiting for some final reviews on it | 19:20 |
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| amitgandhinz | i got reviews from tonytan4ever and sriram | 19:20 |
| sriram | amitgandhinz: nice! | 19:20 |
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| sriram | ametts as well | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | yes | 19:21 |
| * sriram ametts usually lurks in here | 19:21 | |
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| amitgandhinz | so we should be good to go | 19:21 |
| sriram | awesome | 19:22 |
| amitgandhinz | so far we have 19 signups | 19:22 |
| sriram | anything else on the presentaions we need to discuss? | 19:22 |
| amitgandhinz | https://openstacksummitoctober2015tokyo.sched.org/event/d8c883ae776168eae3283f0b740b0027#.Vh_84daxGjI | 19:22 |
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| sriram | woooo | 19:22 |
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| sriram | alright moving on | 19:23 |
| sriram | #topic Open Discussion | 19:23 |
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| sriram | does anyone have anything? | 19:23 |
| amitgandhinz | not i | 19:24 |
| amitgandhinz | oh wait | 19:24 |
| amitgandhinz | i do | 19:24 |
| amitgandhinz | had a conversation with Highwinds CDN yesterday | 19:24 |
| sriram | oh yes! | 19:24 |
| sriram | how did that go? | 19:25 |
| amitgandhinz | they are looking into poppy currently, and they hope to have a dev team working on it starting january | 19:25 |
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| amitgandhinz | bradleyandrews is hanging out in the #openstack-poppy channel | 19:25 |
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| sriram | wow thats amazing news. | 19:25 |
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| sriram | is there right now? | 19:25 |
| amitgandhinz | he is scoping out the work and trying to understand the architecture | 19:25 |
| amitgandhinz | so please help out as needed | 19:25 |
| sriram | we can ask him to join the meeting | 19:25 |
| amitgandhinz | ya i told him about it | 19:25 |
| sriram | ok | 19:26 |
| sriram | I just pinged him, | 19:26 |
| sriram | so lets wait a few he might join. | 19:26 |
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| amitgandhinz | although technically we are pretty much done =P | 19:26 |
| sriram | ha | 19:27 |
| sriram | yeah | 19:27 |
| sriram | yeah, lets just continue in the channel instead. | 19:27 |
| amitgandhinz | ok | 19:27 |
| sriram | tonytan4ever: do you have anything for us? | 19:27 |
| sriram | going once | 19:27 |
| tonytan4ever | Nope | 19:27 |
| tonytan4ever | I am good. | 19:28 |
| sriram | going twice, going thrice.. :P | 19:28 |
| sriram | see ya guys, thanks for coming. | 19:28 |
| sriram | #endmeeting | 19:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:28 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 15 19:28:23 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy/2015/poppy.2015-10-15-19.02.html | 19:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy/2015/poppy.2015-10-15-19.02.txt | 19:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy/2015/poppy.2015-10-15-19.02.log.html | 19:28 |
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