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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 22 15:01:01 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:01 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:01 |
| ganso | hello | 15:01 |
| markstur_ | hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:01 |
| bswartz | #topic announcements | 15:01 |
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| pchadwick | hello | 15:01 |
| bswartz | there will be no manila weekly meeting next week, due to the Tokyo summit | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | the next meeting will be Nov 5 | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | also, a reminder for those of you in the United States -- daylight savings time is ending so the meeting will be one hour earlier in your local timezone | 15:03 |
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| dustins | good to know | 15:03 |
| bswartz | ^ that includes me | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | I'm sorry about the time markstur_ | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | #topic Config Reference | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | markstur_: you're up | 15:04 |
| markstur_ | I just found out about https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/VendorDrivers#Vendor_Driver_Documentation | 15:04 |
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| markstur_ | For the config-ref we need vendor page owners or else we have to just use templates that don't change much | 15:05 |
| bswartz | markstur_: what is this? | 15:05 |
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| markstur_ | For each vendor driver page in the config-ref we need an owner on this wiki | 15:05 |
| bswartz | does it overlap with driverlog? | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/DriverLog | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | this feels like duplication of effort | 15:07 |
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| xyang1 | Doc maintainer and driver log are two different repos | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | xyang1: okay thanks | 15:07 |
| markstur_ | This is for the doc team. They don't want to be responsible for vendor details changing a lot | 15:08 |
| markstur_ | Anyway. For us we do need to make sure vendors own their config-ref pages. | 15:08 |
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| markstur_ | What I got into Liberty didn't include the later changes in devref. So it is already behind. | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | so what is the docs team looking for? just an affirmative response from the responsible person? | 15:08 |
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| markstur_ | Just a name/e-mail on that wiki so that if a doc bug comes in for that driver they can pass it on (I think) | 15:09 |
| bswartz | yeah a few people asked me where the vendor docs should go at the end of Liberty and I told them we were moving to put the in the config ref but it wasn't ready for contributions yet | 15:09 |
| markstur_ | I mentioned it in some meetings, but it went in pretty fast. | 15:09 |
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| markstur_ | It was basically W-I-P when it merged. | 15:10 |
| bswartz | but it's ready now, correct? | 15:10 |
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| xyang1 | markstur_: we are reviewing the doc for EMC drivers and will update if needed. Thanks | 15:10 |
| markstur_ | There is a Liberty config-ref. | 15:10 |
| bswartz | because I'd like to remove tall the user-facing docs from the manila tree so we have developer docs only | 15:10 |
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| markstur_ | I need each driver to have an owner on that page. | 15:11 |
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| markstur_ | Also the owner should look at the config ref and make sure their latest updates go in | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | yeah I agree | 15:12 |
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| markstur_ | I put in a few names, but some of you have e-mail lists or someone else you want to own it. | 15:12 |
| bswartz | markstur_ we probably need an ML post in addition to mentioning it here | 15:12 |
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| markstur_ | I was thinking of volunteering vponomaryov for generic because he writes most of it. | 15:12 |
| bswartz | and we need to chase down the few people who won't see the ML post and bug them directly | 15:12 |
| markstur_ | OK | 15:13 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: you okay with that? | 15:13 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: I lost almost all discussion, connectivity problems | 15:13 |
| markstur_ | Most of the rest is filled out but I wasn't sure which gluster e-mails to use. | 15:13 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: markstur_ volunteered you to be the maintainer of the generic driver config ref | 15:14 |
| bswartz | it seems there is a netsplit on freenode today | 15:14 |
| vponomaryov | in http://docs.openstack.org/liberty/config-reference/content/section_share-drivers.html ? | 15:14 |
| bswartz | hopefully the bot is capturing this meeting log at least | 15:14 |
| markstur_ | vponomaryov, Yes. Doc team wants owners for vendor pages. | 15:15 |
| vponomaryov | ok | 15:15 |
| markstur_ | We could probably move "generic" somewhere else, but it'd be good to give doc a contact. | 15:15 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/VendorDrivers#Vendor_Driver_Documentation | 15:15 |
| markstur_ | Do we have anyone for Hadoop? | 15:15 |
| bswartz | No, the generic driver is very important | 15:15 |
| bswartz | it should be listed with the rest | 15:15 |
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| markstur_ | Otherwise, I'll try to wrap that up and use the ML | 15:16 |
| bswartz | markstur_: chen12 is not the right person but she sent me an email with a name I think | 15:16 |
| bswartz | I can dig it up | 15:16 |
| markstur_ | Please look at the Liberty config-ref and add missing driver pages ur updates! | 15:16 |
| bswartz | markstur_: weiting is the right person for HDFS driver | 15:16 |
| markstur_ | OK | 15:17 |
| bswartz | although we should get him to confirm that he knows about the responsibility | 15:17 |
| markstur_ | I'll use e-mail to confirm. | 15:17 |
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| bswartz | markstur_: anything else on this topic? | 15:17 |
| markstur_ | Nope | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | #action markstur send ML post to remind vendors to sign up for config-ref maintenance for their drivers | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | okay that was the only thing on the agenda for today | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | anyone have anything else? | 15:18 |
| ganso | markstur_: is HDS HNAS driver doc going to be moved to openstack docs as well? | 15:18 |
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| ganso | bswartz: there is minimum requirements subject | 15:19 |
| ganso | bswartz: it is in the wiki page | 15:19 |
| bswartz | oops | 15:19 |
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| bswartz | I had a stale wiki | 15:19 |
| bswartz | #topic Minimum Requirements discussion | 15:19 |
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| bswartz | ganso: you're up | 15:20 |
| ganso | bswartz: thanks | 15:20 |
| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/235914/ | 15:20 |
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| ganso | in the link above, we have a doc proposal regarding minimum driver requirements | 15:20 |
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| ganso | at first it was only the minimum requires features, so snapshot and shrink share were going to be left out of that document | 15:21 |
| ganso | then we changed that to include also optional features in the same document, in a different section | 15:21 |
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| ganso | but it has been brought up that experimental features may also be included in that document, also in a different section | 15:21 |
| ganso | I would like to know what you guys think about that | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | yeah if we're documenting features and who supports what, I think it's very helpful to document the experimental ones | 15:22 |
| markstur_ | It's a very helpful document | 15:23 |
| xyang1 | ganso: very helpful, may be you should submit different patches on optional and experimental | 15:23 |
| bswartz | I'm imagining that if a vendor wants to implement a new optional feature, they'll want to quickly find the existing implementations so they can borrow/copy some of the code | 15:23 |
| markstur_ | I think it is still not clear about how we deal with "minimum" | 15:23 |
| markstur_ | For existing drivers there are probably some issues in getting everyone up to the minumum | 15:23 |
| bswartz | markstur_: I hope not! | 15:23 |
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| xyang1 | We should ask all driver maintainers to take a look of the minimum features | 15:24 |
| bswartz | which required feature is not implemented by an existing driver? | 15:24 |
| ganso | bswartz: by "documenting who supports what", you mean like a feature support matrix? don't we already have that? | 15:24 |
| cknight | bswartz: manage/unmanage is proposed as required, but not all have it. | 15:24 |
| xyang1 | On our side, Isilon team is still evaluating the doc and see if there is any requirement they cannot meet | 15:25 |
| markstur_ | Does it say all drivers to access-level rw/ro for all protocols. I thought that was one example we weren't sure about. | 15:25 |
| ganso | cknight, bswartz: Read-only access rule mode is not currently supported, and we are proposing as a minimum requirement as well | 15:25 |
| bswartz | cknight: we've discussed though that a no-op implementation of manage/unmanage is valid -- so calling it required vs. optional is a funny distinction | 15:25 |
| xyang1 | markstur_: yes | 15:25 |
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| vponomaryov | also we should add driver capability for access levels - RW/RO | 15:26 |
| bswartz | ganso: you're right I',m thinking about the other document too | 15:26 |
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| vponomaryov | if we make Ro optional | 15:26 |
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| markstur_ | For thinks like RO, manage -- the main thing is we need to decide if/when it is required | 15:26 |
| bswartz | okay we need to be clear for each feature what the requirement is, since it will vary from feature to feature | 15:27 |
| markstur_ | ... and does required mean pull the drivers at M, or just enter a bug, or just no-op | 15:27 |
| ganso | markstur_: +1 | 15:27 |
| bswartz | for manage/unmanage, it just has to not blow up | 15:27 |
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| ganso | I think saying that "required for Mitaka release" is a good way of trying to get everything done for Mitaka, this decision has to be determined as soon as the release starts | 15:28 |
| bswartz | markstur_: I'm in favor of pulling a driver that doesn't implement a required feature | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | otoh, if there's a good reason a driver can't implement a required feature, then it probably shouldn't have been required | 15:28 |
| bswartz | maybe we need to have a specific discussion about read-only shares | 15:29 |
| xyang1 | Just like snapshot | 15:29 |
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| markstur_ | So requiring manage/unmanage allows driver to just return notImplemented? | 15:29 |
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| bswartz | markstur_: we need to document that one carefully | 15:30 |
| ganso | bswartz, markstur_: snapshot was a requirement before, and since we removed from minimum requirement, we also adjusted the interface to not show "Create Snapshot" button when snapshot support capability is advertised as "False". The consequence is that backends are not going to be so seamless for cloud providers, but they can be handled through share types. | 15:30 |
| ganso | The same can be done for manage/unmanage. | 15:30 |
| bswartz | there is indeed an implementation which is optional -- but the feature itself technically works on all backends | 15:30 |
| markstur_ | also for ensure_share because most of us just "pass" on that one | 15:30 |
| xyang1 | markstur_: same here | 15:31 |
| bswartz | ensure_share isn't really a feature | 15:31 |
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| ganso | markstur_: NotImplemented() is different than reporting as a capability, and does not seem like a good idea | 15:31 |
| bswartz | ensure_share is an opportunity for the driver to fix things that are broken | 15:31 |
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| bswartz | drivers can choose not to use it | 15:31 |
| xyang1 | NotImplemented will throw exception if called | 15:32 |
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| markstur_ | This doc is a very good start, expecially for new drivers | 15:32 |
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| xyang1 | markstur_: i think if you just pass, that is a no-op | 15:32 |
| xyang1 | markstur_: +1 | 15:32 |
| bswartz | https://github.com/openstack/manila/blob/master/manila/share/driver.py#L706 | 15:33 |
| bswartz | manage_existing throw an exception if you don't implement it | 15:33 |
| markstur_ | I'm not sure we have clarity on things that have to work or the driver gets removed | 15:33 |
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| bswartz | markstur_: I agree, and that's what ganso is trying to fix | 15:33 |
| xyang1 | https://github.com/openstack/manila/blob/master/manila/share/driver.py#L708 | 15:34 |
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| xyang1 | Unmanage is a no-op | 15:34 |
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| xyang1 | Driver doesn't need to do anything | 15:34 |
| bswartz | I think we can change manage_existing() to a different default behavior | 15:35 |
| bswartz | but manage/unmanage is an easy case so I don't think we should spend much time one it | 15:35 |
| bswartz | s/one/on/ | 15:35 |
| bswartz | we need to have the discussion about readonly support | 15:36 |
| bswartz | and any other feature which we've said it required but we know of drivers that don't implement it | 15:36 |
| vponomaryov | manage/unmanage can not be required feature because this feature works only with one of two possible driver modes and we allow to implement either one | 15:36 |
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| ganso | vponomaryov: what about "required if DHSS = false"? :) | 15:37 |
| bswartz | manage/unmanage is admin-only and it's no guaranteed to work even on drivers that do implement it, so I'm not too worried about that one | 15:37 |
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| bswartz | I'm much more concerned with end user features | 15:37 |
| bswartz | we have an interest in making the end-user's experience as consistent and uniform as possible | 15:38 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: then RO is the main concern right now | 15:38 |
| bswartz | let's plan on having this nailed down by the next meeting (in 2 weeks) | 15:38 |
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| bswartz | I want ganso's doc merged by that time and we should have a list of non-compliant drivers and a plan to get them fixed in Mitaka | 15:39 |
| bswartz | after that there won't be any remaining concerns about whether drivers meet the minimum bar or not | 15:39 |
| bswartz | so let's start the discussion right now | 15:40 |
| bswartz | (assuming you're done with your topic ganso....) | 15:40 |
| ganso | bswartz: yes | 15:40 |
| bswartz | #topic read-only access | 15:40 |
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| bswartz | which drivers don't implement read-only yet? | 15:41 |
| xyang1 | Isilon | 15:41 |
| bswartz | we know there is limitation with the generic driver and CIFS | 15:41 |
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| markstur_ | 3par doesn't do read-only yet | 15:41 |
| bswartz | xyang1: can Isilon implement it? is it a lot of work? | 15:41 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: Generic does not support Ro only for CIFS | 15:41 |
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| xyang1 | bswartz: still waiting for them to get back to me | 15:41 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: at once with RW | 15:41 |
| markstur_ | for 3par I think it is easy for CIFS | 15:41 |
| vponomaryov | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/manila/devref/share_back_ends_feature_support_mapping.html#mapping-of-share-drivers-and-share-access-rules-support | 15:42 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: we need to figure out if there's some way to work around that limitation | 15:42 |
| markstur_ | to do RO nfs shares is easy, but to do it per IP client is tricky. I think it is possible | 15:42 |
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| markstur_ | using 2 shares | 15:42 |
| bswartz | markstur_ xyang1, do you think you can find out in the next 2 weeks whether it's possible or not to implement readonly support? | 15:43 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: should be | 15:43 |
| bswartz | if the answer is yes, then it's just a matter of getting the work done in Mitaka | 15:43 |
| markstur_ | I can try. I have an idea. I'll have see if it is verifiable in 2 weeks. | 15:43 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: it is possible in generic driver, but we will have two different exports for both access types | 15:44 |
| bswartz | if the answer is no.... then we need to question how wise it is to have it as a required feature | 15:44 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: if that's the only workaround that solve the problem, then we may need an API change to allow shares to have different export locations for rw and ro | 15:44 |
| bswartz | it sounds like 3par might need a similar workaround | 15:45 |
| bswartz | I have a topic for the friday meetup next week called export location metadata | 15:46 |
| bswartz | part of my thinking for that proposal is to enables cases like this one | 15:46 |
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| bswartz | so I'll make sure to reference this discussion | 15:46 |
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| bswartz | okay I'll put an agenda item on the meeting 2 weeks from now to make a final decision on whether read-only access is required | 15:47 |
| bswartz | #action bswartz put an agenda item on the meeting 2 weeks from now to make a final decision on whether read-only access is required | 15:47 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:47 |
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| bswartz | okay now does anyone have anything else | 15:48 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: for Friday's sprint, can someone at least write down the topics and conclusion? | 15:48 |
| bswartz | xyang1: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Mitaka/Etherpads#Manila | 15:48 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: cool | 15:49 |
| bswartz | actually I made the export location metadata topic it's own working session | 15:49 |
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| bswartz | I should have checked the list before I said anything | 15:49 |
| bswartz | anyways the etherpads have the topics, and we'll add notes right in the etherpads | 15:50 |
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| bswartz | one more thing I should mention | 15:50 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: thanks | 15:50 |
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| bswartz | I will attempt to create google hangouts for the design summit sessions, and provide audio/video if technology permits | 15:50 |
| bswartz | links for those will go in the etherpads if we manage to make it work | 15:51 |
| bswartz | I look forward to seeing you guys in Tokyo next week! | 15:51 |
| xyang1 | Who is going | 15:51 |
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| ganso | looking forward to seeing you guys too :) | 15:51 |
| * bswartz is going | 15:52 | |
| bswartz | cknight will be there too (I think he had to leave this meeting) | 15:52 |
| markstur_ | I can't make it | 15:52 |
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| vponomaryov | -1 | 15:52 |
| bswartz | markstur_: :-( | 15:52 |
| dustins | Couldn't make it this time around :( | 15:52 |
| cknight | I'll be there. | 15:52 |
| markstur_ | bswartz, +1 or -1 to agree with :( | 15:52 |
| dustins | I hear Austin is nice in May, though :D | 15:53 |
| xyang1 | Lots of people couldn't make it:( | 15:53 |
| xyang1 | I am going, Jay Xu will be there too | 15:53 |
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| bswartz | for those that can't make it -- is it because of the time or the location? | 15:53 |
| ganso | markstur_: :( | 15:54 |
| dustins | Location for me | 15:54 |
| vponomaryov | location as a reason for budget | 15:54 |
| markstur_ | Cost. And I think location suggests it'll be exensive. | 15:54 |
| dustins | It's tough to send a large contingent of folks to a place half-way around the world | 15:54 |
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| bswartz | markstur_: my hotel in Tokyo is cheaper than my hotel was in Austin | 15:55 |
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| bswartz | maybe the food will be expensive... | 15:55 |
| ganso | dustins: Austin is not going to be much easier for some people as well | 15:55 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: I got a good deal too | 15:55 |
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| dustins | ganso: Indeed :( | 15:55 |
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| bswartz | okay thanks everyone | 15:56 |
| bswartz | I think we're done | 15:56 |
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| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 22 15:56:35 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-10-22-15.01.html | 15:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-10-22-15.01.txt | 15:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-10-22-15.01.log.html | 15:56 |
| dustins | safe travels to those going to Tokyo! | 15:56 |
| ganso | dustins: thanks! | 15:56 |
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| kozhukalov_ | #startmeeting Fuel | 15:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 22 15:59:43 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kozhukalov_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 15:59 |
| kozhukalov_ | hi guys | 15:59 |
| kozhukalov_ | agenda as usual | 15:59 |
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| mihgen | hi | 16:00 |
| akislitsky_ | hi | 16:00 |
| maximov | hi | 16:00 |
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| kozhukalov_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:00 |
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| mwhahaha | hi | 16:00 |
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| ikalnitsky | o/ | 16:00 |
| angdraug | o/ | 16:00 |
| ashtokolov | hi | 16:00 |
| kozhukalov_ | #topic Action Items from last meeting: | 16:01 |
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| salmon_ | hi | 16:01 |
| kozhukalov_ | angdraug will update fuel-specs reviews to assign SME's to review https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-blueprints-8.0 | 16:01 |
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| kozhukalov_ | ashtokolov will generate raw input from need-bp bugs for PM to review | 16:01 |
| kozhukalov_ | angdraug will update spec template to remove osci impact as its duplicate of infra https://review.openstack.org/235666 | 16:01 |
| aglarendil | \o/ | 16:01 |
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| dpyzhov | hi | 16:01 |
| kozhukalov_ | ogelbukh will raise with liberty version schema and how to change that in fuel to ML | 16:01 |
| vkramskikh | hi | 16:01 |
| kozhukalov_ | ashtokolov angdraug will update ML about status and direction of openstack infra gate jobs | 16:01 |
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| angdraug | spec template update to fix up infra impact is on review and could use some +2s: | 16:02 |
| angdraug | #link https://review.openstack.org/235666 | 16:02 |
| kozhukalov_ | could you guys please give status on these action items? | 16:02 |
| angdraug | no progress on assigning spec reviewers yet | 16:02 |
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| ashtokolov | done, we scheduled a meeting with Dmitriy Novakovskiy. | 16:02 |
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| yottatsa | hi | 16:03 |
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| kozhukalov_ | how about ML on gating? | 16:04 |
| bgaifullin | Hi | 16:04 |
| sbog_ | hi all | 16:04 |
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| angdraug | will send that today | 16:04 |
| kozhukalov_ | angdraug, great, thanks | 16:04 |
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| angdraug | already have a draft, might need to change it if https://review.openstack.org/236068 finally lands | 16:04 |
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| kozhukalov_ | ogelbukh, what about liberty versioning? | 16:05 |
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| angdraug | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-October/077135.html | 16:05 |
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| angdraug | ^ is the thread about liberty versioning that ogelbukh started | 16:06 |
| kozhukalov_ | ok, guys, thanks for your actions | 16:06 |
| kozhukalov_ | let's go through agenda | 16:06 |
| kozhukalov_ | #topic rename stable/x.x branch to updates/x.x on GA to simplify gerrit ACLs for maintenance (angdraug) | 16:06 |
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| angdraug | ACLs in openstack gerrit for fuel repositories currently have this bit of ugliness: | 16:06 |
| angdraug | #link https://github.com/openstack-infra/project-config/blob/master/gerrit/acls/openstack/fuel-web.config#L8-L14 | 16:06 |
| angdraug | this could be replaced with "refs/heads/stable/*" | 16:06 |
| angdraug | except we can't limit merges to stable branch until after GA | 16:06 |
| angdraug | what we can do is rename the branch when we hand it over to fuel-stable-core so that the pattern starts to match | 16:06 |
| angdraug | for example, create proposed/* branch on SCF, rename it to stable/* on RTM | 16:06 |
| angdraug | or rename stable/* to updates/* | 16:06 |
| angdraug | thoughts? | 16:07 |
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| angdraug | anyone from fuel-stable-core around to comment? | 16:07 |
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| angdraug | heh, no objections :p | 16:08 |
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| mihgen | I'm not from fuel-stable-core, but I think we should do same branch naming as in openstack and extend it only if necessary. Here it would mean to have stable/* at SCF | 16:08 |
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| dpyzhov | I'm trying to understand the question ) | 16:08 |
| kozhukalov_ | i think branch deletion is quite expensive in terms of current infra implementation | 16:08 |
| mihgen | and potentially rename it to updates/* | 16:08 |
| angdraug | mihgen: other openstack projects don't restrict merge rights to stable branches | 16:08 |
| mihgen | when we hand it over to special team to work on providing updates in channels | 16:09 |
| angdraug | kozhukalov_: branch deletion is not necessary, you just create a new branch with new name at the same head | 16:09 |
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| bookwar1 | the naming is not that important as the dates and milestones. Creating branch at SCF - have we already agreed on that? | 16:09 |
| angdraug | yes | 16:09 |
| kozhukalov_ | angdraug, , but it would lead us to unused branches, right? | 16:10 |
| bookwar1 | so at SCF - we get stable branch and couple of days before RTM we rename those | 16:10 |
| ikalnitsky | guys, how openstack solves this issue? i see that they do use stable core group? | 16:11 |
| ikalnitsky | #link https://github.com/openstack-infra/project-config/blob/master/gerrit/acls/openstack/nova.config#L7-L12 | 16:11 |
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| angdraug | kozhukalov_: unused -> frozen, but yes | 16:11 |
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| kozhukalov_ | probably we can allow merging into upstream stable branches and then we can downstream fuel projects into fuel-infra.org and there we can have restrictions | 16:12 |
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| angdraug | ikalnitsky: good point. but openstack has a much shorter gap between branching stable and the release | 16:13 |
| kozhukalov_ | then only those changes in upstream that are approved by stable team will be downstreamed | 16:13 |
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| angdraug | also, nova-stable-maint is a half of nova-core, so it's not as much of a bottleneck as fuel-stable-core | 16:13 |
| mihgen | kozhukalov_: yes, I agree - it will actually depend on where we want to have maintainance team to do it - upstream or downstream | 16:13 |
| mihgen | where they want* | 16:14 |
| mihgen | angdraug: I'd suggest to give it another thought and suggest solution in openstack-dev.. | 16:14 |
| mihgen | and move on now - many items in the agenda.. | 16:14 |
| angdraug | ok | 16:14 |
| kozhukalov_ | ok, i think we need to think of this for a while, probably ML is a good place to discuss this | 16:15 |
| angdraug | we have until December to think about it | 16:15 |
| kozhukalov_ | #topic can we do upgrade 7.0 release -> 8.0 master? upgrade tarball status? (mihgen) | 16:15 |
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| mihgen | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1506810 | 16:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1506810 in Fuel for OpenStack "Cannot find running container with name "fuel-core-8.0-postgres"" [High,Triaged] - Assigned to Fuel Python Team (fuel-python) | 16:15 |
| mihgen | this bug blocks quite a several tests | 16:15 |
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| mihgen | so I wanted to draw an attention that we need to fix this sooner than later | 16:16 |
| mihgen | and I have question on how our work is going with getting rid of tarball | 16:16 |
| mihgen | which might be unrelated to this bug at all | 16:16 |
| kozhukalov_ | removal of upgrade tarball is planned for this and next iterations | 16:16 |
| ikalnitsky | mihgen: regarding bug you've mentioned - i've triaged it | 16:16 |
| mihgen | kozhukalov_: so when to expect that it's gonna go away.. ? | 16:17 |
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| ikalnitsky | and i want to notice once more - we'll continue catch this sort of bugs until we remove puppet run from inside containers | 16:17 |
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| mihgen | ikalnitsky: thanks. according to QA, it affects 13 test cases | 16:17 |
| kozhukalov_ | mihgen, likely beginning of December | 16:17 |
| ikalnitsky | we can go on with one more hack | 16:17 |
| mihgen | can we have one more hack closing this bug and track work on removing puppet run from containers as a separate thing .. ? | 16:18 |
| mihgen | I actually thought that mattymo has been working on it for quite a while | 16:18 |
| ikalnitsky | afaik , he didn't work on it | 16:19 |
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| ikalnitsky | yes, i'll prepare a patch tomorrow | 16:19 |
| kozhukalov_ | is it possible to get rid of using docker at all? perhaps this q sounds silly, but still. do we still really need docker on the master node? | 16:19 |
| mihgen | oh.. ok, thanks ikalnitsky. | 16:19 |
| mihgen | kozhukalov_: in my pov - we don't need it there | 16:20 |
| kozhukalov_ | ok, moving on, ikalnitsky thanks | 16:20 |
| mihgen | I'm not sure how easy it would be to get rid of it there though ) | 16:20 |
| kozhukalov_ | #topic code review backlog status: http://bit.ly/1Kp8BzM (mihgen) | 16:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "code review backlog status: http://bit.ly/1Kp8BzM (mihgen) (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:20 | |
| mihgen | so it's mostly specs still. angdraug - we need to act | 16:20 |
| aglarendil | library has a WIP commit, btw, so no worries | 16:21 |
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| mihgen | also, devops, ostf, astute, nailgun-agent, main - so pretty much from each repo by 1-2 patches.. | 16:21 |
| kozhukalov_ | and some fuel-main requests there | 16:21 |
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| mihgen | can you folks take a look pls. this one sits from 2nd of october: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229570/ | 16:22 |
| mihgen | let's find someone to take it | 16:22 |
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| mihgen | anyone from devops maintainers? | 16:22 |
| mihgen | dtyzhnenko | 16:23 |
| angdraug | we need to improve fuel-qa attendance of this meeting :( | 16:23 |
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| mihgen | angdraug: I can follow up with them about it | 16:23 |
| mihgen | next is ostf | 16:23 |
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| dpyzhov | as I see ostf is about tests | 16:23 |
| dpyzhov | so it for qa | 16:24 |
| mihgen | so no one too. | 16:24 |
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| mihgen | ok action item on me to follow up with them | 16:24 |
| mihgen | #link https://github.com/openstack/fuel-ostf/blob/master/MAINTAINERS | 16:24 |
| angdraug | mihgen: please update your dashboard link, it doesn't work in current Firefox | 16:24 |
| mihgen | you'd need to help me, it perfectly works on chrome ;) | 16:25 |
| kozhukalov_ | #action mihgen will poke QA people to review fuel-devops and fuel-ostf | 16:25 |
| mihgen | kozhukalov_: thanks. let's move on.. | 16:25 |
| angdraug | just re-run the script | 16:25 |
| kozhukalov_ | #topic Multirack status (alex_didenko) | 16:25 |
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| alex_didenko | We've built custom 8.0-liberty ISO with some multi-rack patches (items 1 and 6 of https://review.openstack.org/230943 spec) and it has passed BVT. | 16:25 |
| alex_didenko | We've also tested it on a virtual multi-rack lab (computes in default nodegroup, controllers in nodegroup2, cinder nodes in nodegroup3, floating IP range from nodegroup2), deployment went fine without any hacks, everything was configured via API/CLI. It also has passed OSTF. Manual tests with VMs and floating IPs were fine as well. | 16:25 |
| alex_didenko | So at the moment items 3 and 6 from our spec are merged, item 1 is megred partially (astute patch merged, fuel-library and fuel-main in progress) and we're working on other items of the spec. | 16:25 |
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| mihgen | thanks alex_didenko, what about UI part of this .. ? | 16:27 |
| vkramskikh | we started this work today | 16:27 |
| vkramskikh | I'll tell you more in my status update | 16:27 |
| mihgen | thanks | 16:27 |
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| kozhukalov_ | #topic Bugs status and area tags (dpyzhov) http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-October/077736.html | 16:28 |
| alex_didenko | that's it from my side | 16:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs status and area tags (dpyzhov) http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-October/077736.html (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:28 | |
| dpyzhov | I've shared current numbers in e-mail | 16:28 |
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| dpyzhov | In short - we are walking around same numbers | 16:29 |
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| mihgen | I saw email. thank you for sharing. what about bugs like net-verify support for multirack? | 16:29 |
| dpyzhov | we still getting a lot of reports | 16:29 |
| mihgen | are those in your bucket of bugs? | 16:29 |
| dpyzhov | Yes, I guess. But I didn't see any | 16:29 |
| dpyzhov | alex_didenko: could you get the list of multirack bugs? | 16:30 |
| mihgen | dpyzhov: let's take it off this meeting, but I think in general we need feature-based taxonomy | 16:30 |
| mihgen | so that we can easily differentiate what happened agaisnt production features released before | 16:30 |
| mihgen | vs experimental | 16:30 |
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| mihgen | vs what are implementing now, like multirack | 16:31 |
| dpyzhov | We need to split bugs in several piles somehow | 16:31 |
| alex_didenko | dpyzhov I have a huge link with LP filter, I can send it to you | 16:31 |
| dpyzhov | And feature-based doesn't look really good for me | 16:31 |
| dpyzhov | let's take it offline | 16:31 |
| alex_didenko | ok | 16:31 |
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| mihgen | kk | 16:31 |
| kozhukalov_ | moving on | 16:32 |
| dpyzhov | Also I've shared links | 16:32 |
| dpyzhov | for new area tags | 16:32 |
| kozhukalov_ | #topic UI team status (vkramskikh) | 16:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "UI team status (vkramskikh) (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:32 | |
| dpyzhov | And I'd be happy to hear any feedback about new way of assignment bugs | 16:32 |
| vkramskikh | Hi, this week we fixed 12 bugs (though we had 10 incoming bugs - most of them are result of fixing High bugs with extracting the remaining part as a Medium bug or a defects which are known but not filed). We will continue to work on bugs this iteration, but we'll be focused on implementing new features. | 16:32 |
| vkramskikh | During the current iteration whe plan to implement the following blueprints: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/node-groups-network-tab https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/node-groups-in-sorters-and-filters https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/segment-settings-tab-logically https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/support-separate-provisioning-and-deployment-in-ui https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel | 16:32 |
| vkramskikh | /+spec/support-baremetal-network-in-ui | 16:32 |
| vkramskikh | We also would like to deliver https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/webpack - it is ready to be merged, but we're blocked by build team - they're still unable to provide package with JS library for this request (today is 1 month since initial request) | 16:32 |
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| vkramskikh | Any questions? | 16:32 |
| kozhukalov_ | dpyzhov, sorry for interrupting | 16:33 |
| mihgen | will those cover multi-rack fully? | 16:34 |
| vkramskikh | we'll also have view-all-nodes blueprint which is scheduled for 3rd iteration | 16:34 |
| vkramskikh | after implementing it, multirack will be covered fully | 16:34 |
| mihgen | any risks associated.. ? | 16:35 |
| vkramskikh | don't see any yet, maybe we'll discover something during the implementation | 16:35 |
| mihgen | what if it happens that we move network manager to a separate service? | 16:35 |
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| vkramskikh | I don't think it will affect UI significantly | 16:35 |
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| mihgen | thanks. anyone from build team to clarify on js lib.. ? | 16:35 |
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| angdraug | asilenkov: ^ | 16:36 |
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| kozhukalov_ | afaik, asilenkov has almost done this | 16:36 |
| vkramskikh | well, we need this to be done by this evening or it will be postponed | 16:36 |
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| vkramskikh | it's to risky to merge it tomorrow - on the next week I'm on vacation | 16:37 |
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| angdraug | understood. moving on? | 16:38 |
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| vkramskikh | yes | 16:38 |
| kozhukalov_ | #topic Upgrade team status (ogelbukh) | 16:38 |
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| kozhukalov_ | ogelbukh, around? | 16:39 |
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| kozhukalov_ | ok, let's move on and then will ask him again | 16:39 |
| kozhukalov_ | #topic Enhancements Team Status (ashtokolov) | 16:40 |
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| ashtokolov | hi folks | 16:40 |
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| ashtokolov | Enhancements weekly status: | 16:40 |
| ashtokolov | Inbox - 65(was 66), In progress - 13(was 15), On review - 23(was 19), QA - 18(was 17), Done - 10(was 6) | 16:40 |
| ashtokolov | and 11(was 8) to be sorted with Product Management | 16:40 |
| ashtokolov | Total: 139 (was 133) and Fix committed+Fix released = 28 (was 23) | 16:40 |
| ashtokolov | Also we are close to finish fuel-createmirror refactoring | 16:41 |
| ashtokolov | We are going to make a demo next week | 16:41 |
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| ashtokolov | Any questions? | 16:41 |
| kozhukalov_ | ashtokolov, about fuel-createmirror not really close, review is at the beginning :-) | 16:41 |
| ogelbukh | o/ | 16:42 |
| kozhukalov_ | ok, ashtokolov thanks, moving on? | 16:42 |
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| kozhukalov_ | #topic Upgrade team status (ogelbukh) | 16:42 |
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| mihgen | thanks ashtokolov | 16:42 |
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| kozhukalov_ | ogelbukh, here? | 16:43 |
| ogelbukh | so we have 1 bug fix in verification, otherwise we're good to publish version for upgrade to 7.0 | 16:43 |
| ogelbukh | another thing we're working on is upgrade to centos7-based Master | 16:44 |
| akasatkin | please review a critical: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238602/ | 16:44 |
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| akasatkin | sorry | 16:44 |
| akasatkin | wrong chat | 16:44 |
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| ogelbukh | akasatkin: np | 16:44 |
| kozhukalov_ | ok, thanks | 16:45 |
| ogelbukh | there are 2 potential paths: using centos-upgrade-tool and migrate nailgun db and settings | 16:45 |
| kozhukalov_ | moving on | 16:45 |
| ogelbukh | we're evaluating and will choose path based on ETA | 16:45 |
| ogelbukh | ok, let's move on | 16:45 |
| kozhukalov_ | #topic openstack/fuel-menu openstack/network-checker openstack/shotgun are now separate projects (kozhukalov) | 16:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "openstack/fuel-menu openstack/network-checker openstack/shotgun are now separate projects (kozhukalov) (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:45 | |
| kozhukalov_ | fyi, those 3 projects are now at their separate repos | 16:46 |
| kozhukalov_ | all patches need to be backported to these new repos | 16:46 |
| kozhukalov_ | I will give update in ML | 16:46 |
| kozhukalov_ | but still I fix some adjacent things | 16:47 |
| kozhukalov_ | here are my notes on this https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-move-repos | 16:47 |
| mihgen | it's cool to see that all of this happening :) | 16:47 |
| kozhukalov_ | yes, but it takes a lot of my attention | 16:48 |
| angdraug | are ^^^ repos going to have unit tests at the gate? | 16:48 |
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| kozhukalov_ | angdraug, sure | 16:48 |
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| kozhukalov_ | they are green now for two of these repos | 16:48 |
| kozhukalov_ | need to fix network-checker tests | 16:49 |
| angdraug | nice | 16:49 |
| kozhukalov_ | and yet another thing | 16:49 |
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| kozhukalov_ | I am still waiting for ci team to review my patches to fuel-ci | 16:49 |
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| angdraug | links? | 16:49 |
| angdraug | bookwar1: ^ | 16:49 |
| kozhukalov_ | I asked them several times | 16:50 |
| kozhukalov_ | https://review.fuel-infra.org/12865 | 16:50 |
| bookwar1 | kozhukalov merged couple of hours ago i think | 16:50 |
| kozhukalov_ | https://review.fuel-infra.org/12872 | 16:50 |
| bookwar1 | let's check | 16:50 |
| kozhukalov_ | https://review.fuel-infra.org/12923 | 16:50 |
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| angdraug | all merged | 16:50 |
| kozhukalov_ | ohh, great, thanks a lot bookwar1 | 16:51 |
| kozhukalov_ | moving on | 16:51 |
| kozhukalov_ | #topic Integration of Fuel-repos with openstack-ci (ashtokolov) (aka gating) | 16:51 |
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| ashtokolov | Folks, you know we are working on enabling openstack-gates for Fuel-* repos. | 16:51 |
| ashtokolov | Status: 12 fuel-repos are green (was 3) and 3 - wip. And we are close to enable voting mode for pep8 and python27 gates (review openstack-infra) | 16:52 |
| ashtokolov | +2 new green from kozhukalov | 16:52 |
| ashtokolov | +1 wip | 16:52 |
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| ashtokolov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/236068/ | 16:52 |
| ashtokolov | Thank you so much to kozhukalov warpc akislitsky mwhahaha | 16:52 |
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| angdraug | thanks all for your hard work on this! | 16:53 |
| kozhukalov_ | thank you so much ashtokolov | 16:53 |
| mihgen | this is aweome progress folks. | 16:53 |
| angdraug | this is the biggest remaining blocker of our big tent application | 16:53 |
| kozhukalov_ | moving on? | 16:54 |
| angdraug | yes please | 16:54 |
| kozhukalov_ | #topic Progress on IPv6 in Fuel (veremin) | 16:54 |
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| yottatsa | I’ve updated spec proposal on IPv6 in Fuel https://review.openstack.org/#/c/216787/ and it’s open for review. I’m in progress to introduce corresponding blueprints. | 16:54 |
| yottatsa | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/216787/ | 16:54 |
| yottatsa | OpenStack is almost ready to implement IPv6 on scale, except some UX flaws in Horizon and design issues in Neutron. I’ll do my best to work it out on summit. | 16:54 |
| yottatsa | I propose three stages: on stage zero we’re documenting IPv6 provider networks and work out tests integration tests on IPv6. | 16:54 |
| yottatsa | On first stage we have to implement IPv6-enabled tenant networks and public interfaces. This mainly requires huge reworking in Nailgun and less patching in fuel-library and OCF. akasatkin has said that changes in Nailgun would take at least 3 weeks. | 16:54 |
| yottatsa | Second stage is about support IPv6 networks for every part of reference architecture. It’s mainly requires verify all the components for IPv6-compliance, and sync up with multirack, so it would be nice if xenolog13 will review it too. | 16:54 |
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| angdraug | teran: please review infra impact section of the spec ^ | 16:55 |
| yottatsa | I'm still in progress to scope test and patch work in fuel | 16:55 |
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| kozhukalov_ | #action teran will review IPv6 proposal on how it is gonna impact infra https://review.openstack.org/#/c/216787/ | 16:56 |
| mihgen | yottatsa: thanks! I suggest to patch Fuel to support what is currently supported in openstack | 16:56 |
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| mihgen | and work with upstream neutron team to make necessary changes in neutron in mitaka | 16:57 |
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| mihgen | other opinions? aglarendil ? | 16:57 |
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| yottatsa | I've contacted with scollins from MOS Neutron and work on it on summut | 16:57 |
| kozhukalov_ | ok, guys, 3 minutes | 16:58 |
| angdraug | open discussion? | 16:58 |
| kozhukalov_ | we still have Config data processing system discussion (ogelbukh) topic in open discussion | 16:58 |
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| kozhukalov_ | but i think we need to move to #fuel-dev | 16:59 |
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| mihgen | would need to defer to next week perhaps.. | 16:59 |
| kozhukalov_ | thank you for attending | 16:59 |
| angdraug | +1 for defer to next week | 16:59 |
| kozhukalov_ | closing | 16:59 |
| kozhukalov_ | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 22 16:59:38 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-10-22-15.59.html | 16:59 |
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| sriram | #startmeeting poppy | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 22 19:01:11 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sriram. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: poppy)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'poppy' | 19:01 |
| sriram | Hey all, since not enough people are in today, for the meeting, lets skip it this week. | 19:01 |
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| sriram | See ya, next week. | 19:01 |
| sriram | #endmeeting poppy | 19:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 22 19:01:57 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy/2015/poppy.2015-10-22-19.01.html | 19:02 |
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