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| moshele | baoli: hi | 13:03 |
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| ndipanov | hello | 13:04 |
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| moshele | hi | 13:04 |
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| ndipanov | anyone else here interested in sriov? | 13:04 |
| beagles | here | 13:04 |
| ndipanov | I know I responded to the thread a bit late (today only) so people might have missed it | 13:04 |
| ndipanov | and actually I added [Nova] only but Neutron folks might be interested as well | 13:05 |
| ndipanov | email fail | 13:05 |
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| ndipanov | anywhoo let's try to start the meeting | 13:07 |
| ndipanov | (not sure if I have chair powers) | 13:08 |
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| moshele | I tried to ping boali but he is not responding so I guess you have :) | 13:08 |
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| ndipanov | moshele, yeah I tried to ping him earlier today - no luck | 13:09 |
| ndipanov | but like I said | 13:09 |
| ndipanov | the email is less than 24 hours old | 13:09 |
| ndipanov | let's try | 13:09 |
| ndipanov | #startmeeting sriov | 13:09 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 10 13:09:51 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ndipanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:09 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:09 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sriov' | 13:09 |
| beagles | ta-dah | 13:10 |
| ndipanov | nice! | 13:10 |
| moshele | we had not a meeting for 4 months I think | 13:10 |
| ndipanov | I changed the meeting earlier today | 13:10 |
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| ndipanov | mostly cosmetic change + moved it to biweekly | 13:10 |
| * johnthetubaguy lurks in case he can help unblock process stuff | 13:10 | |
| ndipanov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243382/ | 13:10 |
| ndipanov | not sure the time works for everyone - but if it doesn't - we can try and move it | 13:11 |
| ndipanov | #action ndipanov to include [Neutron] on the next reply to the thread | 13:11 |
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| moshele | usually there were some intel guys in the meeting but I can't find the on the irc | 13:12 |
| ndipanov | thanks johnthetubaguy | 13:12 |
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| ndipanov | moshele, nicks? | 13:12 |
| moshele | smoony and prezno I think | 13:13 |
| ndipanov | OK they sound familiar from gerrit | 13:14 |
| lbelivea | Add me as well please, we heavily working on SR-IOV and trying to contribute more | 13:14 |
| ndipanov | lbelivea, add you to my mental map of sriov interested people :) | 13:15 |
| ndipanov | what are you working on | 13:15 |
| ndipanov | ? | 13:15 |
| ndipanov | actually while we are here - why not everyone who is lurking and interested give a short overview of what they plan to look into in Mitaka? | 13:16 |
| ndipanov | I can start | 13:16 |
| lbelivea | We have some new feature in the pipeline, but now I'm mostly trying to push some fixes (especially around support for cold mgiration - we have it delivered to customer) | 13:16 |
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| moshele | lbelivea: I review it https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242573/ we need it as well :) | 13:17 |
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| ndipanov | lbelivea, excellent - do you have any patches up | 13:17 |
| lbelivea | moshele: thanks ! More coming :) | 13:17 |
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| ndipanov | #info add any pathces that might be ready to: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking | 13:17 |
| lbelivea | two for the moment: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242555/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242573/ | 13:17 |
| lbelivea | Will do | 13:18 |
| ndipanov | ok I will add those and will look at them ASAP | 13:18 |
| ndipanov | or you can | 13:18 |
| moshele | I have this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199488/ | 13:18 |
| lbelivea | moshele: I'll have a look today | 13:19 |
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| moshele | and this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227160/ which I need to talk to baoli | 13:19 |
| lbelivea | moshele: this one I reviewed | 13:19 |
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| ndipanov | moshele, heh I thought that one landed already :) | 13:20 |
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| moshele | also I want to push this bp https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135331/ but I am missing the intel guys | 13:20 |
| ndipanov | I am currently mostly looking into https://review.openstack.org/#/c/212472/ | 13:21 |
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| ndipanov | moshele, let me add that one to the etherpad too | 13:21 |
| ndipanov | (thought it seems to have a -1 from johnthetubaguy | 13:22 |
| ndipanov | ) | 13:22 |
| moshele | ndipanov: are you pushing the BWG for SR-IOV integration with nova scheduler ? or it is ajo ? | 13:22 |
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| moshele | ndipanov: I am taking about Qos feature phase 2 | 13:23 |
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| ndipanov | moshele, that would be ajo | 13:24 |
| ndipanov | well | 13:24 |
| ndipanov | so I tried to get some discussion around this going in tokyo | 13:24 |
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| ndipanov | but I don't feel there was a very concentrated effort, and a lot of stuff is still up in the air | 13:25 |
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| ndipanov | I did speak to some neutron folks about it | 13:26 |
| ndipanov | and there was a general discussion about how we might at one point in the future do scheduling based on neutron data | 13:26 |
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| ndipanov | but currently there is no clear direction that anyone has proposed to the best of my knowledge | 13:27 |
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| ndipanov | moshele, do you have more info on this? specs proposed? discussions I am not aware of? | 13:28 |
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| moshele | regrading the scheduling, no | 13:29 |
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| moshele | ndipanov: regrading SR-IOV there is also this bp https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139910/ | 13:30 |
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| ndipanov | moshele, ah yes - I saw that one - will read new comments on it | 13:30 |
| lbelivea | Commented on this one, dunno if it's still "active" | 13:30 |
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| ndipanov | lbelivea, that is also by some Intel guys I think - I spoke to some of them in Tokyo | 13:31 |
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| ndipanov | I\d assume that it is | 13:32 |
| lbelivea | nevermind, comments are quite recent | 13:32 |
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| ndipanov | so yeah - how to do scheduling based on Neutron information is something that I'd really like to get to soon | 13:33 |
| ndipanov | currently it's based on manually set network_name - which is very crude | 13:33 |
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| ndipanov | that needs someone to seriously drive it and I did not see anyone really stepping up in tokyo at least | 13:34 |
| ndipanov | although ajo was not there | 13:34 |
| ndipanov | and he did discuss it previously | 13:34 |
| lbelivea | ndipanov: Is there a BP for that ? | 13:35 |
| ndipanov | lbelivea, I don't think so | 13:35 |
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| ndipanov | hmmm | 13:35 |
| ndipanov | let me try to dig | 13:35 |
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| ndipanov | lbelivea, I don't think so | 13:36 |
| ndipanov | I will follow up with ajo and see if he has some more info | 13:36 |
| lbelivea | Would be nice to have more info/req | 13:36 |
| ndipanov | #action ndipanov to follow up with Neutron team on more detailed requirements around qos scheduling | 13:37 |
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| ndipanov | lbelivea, agreed | 13:37 |
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| ndipanov | so about cold migration/resize | 13:37 |
| moshele | ndipanov: didn't we say in the Qos meeting the we can solve the BWG for SR-IOV because nova knows the VF? or are you looking for a complete solution on how the nova schedule can get update for other openstack project like neutron ? | 13:38 |
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| ndipanov | moshele, well ideally yes - I mean there is also the ovs implementation in neutron | 13:39 |
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| ndipanov | besides how would that work for the current sriov code in nova - we'd have to add yet more stuff like bandwidth to the stats dict | 13:41 |
| ndipanov | ? | 13:41 |
| moshele | yes, it is ugly but can be done in M, the second option seem far away | 13:42 |
| ndipanov | not sure that going with the hacky sriov only solution is the right aproach here - I feel that we will save ourselves pain down the line if we came up with an actual solution to this | 13:42 |
| ndipanov | need to think about it | 13:43 |
| ndipanov | moshele, is there anything proposed along those lines now? | 13:43 |
| moshele | no | 13:44 |
| ndipanov | ok well let me follow up with ajo and the neutron qos folks and see what they think | 13:44 |
| ndipanov | tbh my beef with this is mainly about interface with neutron being magic random strings more than anything | 13:46 |
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| ndipanov | ok moving on - one more thing I was going to ask lbelivea - is there a bug related to the cold migration? | 13:47 |
| lbelivea | ndipanov: yes this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242573/, it was tested in a lab with two computes with devstack | 13:48 |
| ndipanov | I was fixing some issues around migrating instances with cpu pinning in Liberty and it seems to me that a similar approach can work for pci devices | 13:48 |
| lbelivea | ndipanov: we'll put more in the pipeline, there are other cornes cases that are not covered (some race conditions, etc.) | 13:49 |
| moshele | ndipanov: cold migration is broken since Juno or never work at all itizikb opened a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1400784 | 13:49 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1400784 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Cold migration fails when using vnic_type=direct" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Yongli He (yongli-he) | 13:49 |
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| lbelivea | moshele: let me have a look, maybe it should be assigned to me, my fix could probably cover his bug description | 13:50 |
| moshele | also I think resize is not working https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1368201 | 13:51 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1368201 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "resize with PCI devices doesn't work" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Yongli He (yongli-he) | 13:51 |
| ndipanov | right - so I will review the proposed patch | 13:51 |
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| lbelivea | ndipanov: which related bug ? I would be interested to have a look | 13:51 |
| ndipanov | lbelivea, yeah gimme a sec to dig it up | 13:52 |
| lbelivea | TBH, I don't have a solution yet for a resize with different number of PCI devices in the flavor, need to look at that | 13:52 |
| ndipanov | but the idea is that this kind of stuff needs to be done when doing the claims | 13:52 |
| lbelivea | agreed | 13:52 |
| ndipanov | what I did was added a concept of migration context | 13:52 |
| ndipanov | that allows us to save and restore "new" compute host data | 13:53 |
| ndipanov | in a non-racy manner | 13:53 |
| ndipanov | (if we are careful :) ) | 13:53 |
| lbelivea | ndipanov: do you have a review for it so that I can look at code ? | 13:53 |
| ndipanov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/218385/ | 13:54 |
| ndipanov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/218938/ | 13:54 |
| ndipanov | sadly gerrit does not keep relation of merged patches | 13:54 |
| ndipanov | :( | 13:55 |
| ndipanov | but most of them were related to that one BP and bug that is linked from those | 13:55 |
| lbelivea | I will have a look and keep in mind PCI devices | 13:55 |
| ndipanov | lbelivea, cool | 13:56 |
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| ndipanov | lbelivea, will review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242573/ tomorrow ASAP | 13:57 |
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| lbelivea | ndipanov, awesome - I'll address moshele comments today | 13:57 |
| ndipanov | cool - progress! | 13:57 |
| ndipanov | coming close on time | 13:58 |
| lbelivea | perfect ! | 13:58 |
| ndipanov | one more thing I was gonna bring up is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/extend-vnic-pci-detail-info | 13:58 |
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| ndipanov | those folks were asking for this at the summit and I feel that it is mostly covered by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195662/ and if it's not it should be | 13:59 |
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| ndipanov | but I guess I'll have to catch them on IRC | 13:59 |
| ndipanov | anyway - thanks for the chat folks | 13:59 |
| lbelivea | is that related to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195662/8 ? | 14:00 |
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| ndipanov | I think it should be | 14:00 |
| lbelivea | oh right, you had the same thinking | 14:00 |
| lbelivea | you got faster than me at cut&paste :) | 14:00 |
| ndipanov | although the people proposing it claim it doesn't do everything they need | 14:00 |
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| ndipanov | and that's where we kind of stopped | 14:01 |
| trown | o/ | 14:01 |
| ndipanov | anyway need to finish | 14:01 |
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| ndipanov | #endmeeting sriov | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 10 14:01:17 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sriov/2015/sriov.2015-11-10-13.09.html | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sriov/2015/sriov.2015-11-10-13.09.txt | 14:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sriov/2015/sriov.2015-11-10-13.09.log.html | 14:01 |
| moshele | great meeting bye :) | 14:01 |
| ndipanov | thanks guys | 14:01 |
| lbelivea | awesome guys, ttyl | 14:01 |
| dprince | TripleO meeting time | 14:01 |
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| dprince | #startmeeting tripleo | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 10 14:02:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dprince. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 14:02 |
| tzumainn | hiya! | 14:02 |
| jtomasek | hi o/ | 14:02 |
| akrivoka | hiya \o | 14:02 |
| adarazs | hi there | 14:02 |
| marios | o/ | 14:02 |
| shardy | o/ | 14:03 |
| tremble | \o | 14:03 |
| slagle | \o/ | 14:03 |
| eggmaster | o/ | 14:03 |
| trown | o/ | 14:03 |
| dprince | hi all \o/ | 14:03 |
| florianf | hi o/ | 14:03 |
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| dprince | #topic agenda | 14:03 |
| dprince | * bugs | 14:03 |
| dprince | * Projects releases or stable backports | 14:03 |
| dprince | * CI | 14:03 |
| dprince | * Specs | 14:03 |
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| dprince | * Review Priorities: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-review-priorities | 14:03 |
| jaosorior | o/ | 14:03 |
| dprince | * one off agenda items | 14:03 |
| dprince | * open discussion | 14:04 |
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| dprince | I see we have one-off agenda items to discuss the tripleo-api or tuskar v3 naming, and suggestions to stop using ironic OSC namespaces too. So lets leave time for those at the end | 14:05 |
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| dprince | tzumainn: presumably you added the first one-off agenda item above? | 14:06 |
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| tzumainn | dprince, that is correct | 14:06 |
| tzumainn | I am sure it is a topic that everyone will love to talk about | 14:07 |
| tzumainn | so you're all very welcome | 14:07 |
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| dprince | tzumainn: cool, thanks | 14:07 |
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| dprince | #topic bugs | 14:07 |
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| dtantsur | o/ | 14:08 |
| dprince | one bug I'll highlight is this one derekh is working on | 14:08 |
| dprince | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1513879 | 14:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1513879 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "NeutronClientException: 404 Not Found" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Derek Higgins (derekh) | 14:08 |
| dprince | if anyone tries tries to use recent RDO trunk packages you'll likely hit that... and it is a bit cryptic | 14:08 |
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| dprince | we really need to bump our DELOREAN URL again soon. Another other bugs/blockers that we are waiting on with regards to that? | 14:10 |
| trown | ya the current-tripleo is super old | 14:10 |
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| trown | derekh: is there anything I can help with in terms of automating that... we are almost there for rdo-manager side of automating current-passed-ci | 14:11 |
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| derekh | trown: we can't bump current-tripleo until the fix for that is merged https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242158/ | 14:12 |
| derekh | trown: we now have a perisodic job that runs nightly to bump that symlink | 14:13 |
| dprince | derekh: got it, are there any other blockers we are waiting on? | 14:13 |
| derekh | trown: ots currently failing but I'm working on it | 14:13 |
| trown | derekh: oh sweet. so once that passes we are good to go going forward | 14:13 |
| dprince | derekh: will ping in #openstack-nova today about this too... | 14:13 |
| trown | awesomesauce | 14:13 |
| derekh | trown yup | 14:13 |
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| dprince | lets move on then | 14:14 |
| derekh | Ye will also see a patch from me later to bump our jenkins slaves to F22 | 14:14 |
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| dprince | derekh: cool | 14:14 |
| derekh | F21 is about to go EOL, anyways I'll link it when its ready | 14:14 |
| dprince | #topic Projects releases or stable backports | 14:14 |
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| dprince | derekh: unrelated to topic, but on that note would going straight to F23 make sense? | 14:15 |
| shardy | So re stable backports, I think we need to hold off until https://review.openstack.org/#/c/240938/ lands, which puts CI in place | 14:15 |
| dprince | derekh: (python3 was meant to be the default there though... so not sure about it) | 14:15 |
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| shardy | that's taking a while to land, but is nearly there thanks to help from derekh | 14:15 |
| trown | I added to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-stable-branches ... we need a .gitreview patch for each of our stable branches, I did python-tripleoclient already | 14:15 |
| dprince | shardy: agree, with getting the CI job in place first | 14:16 |
| derekh | dprince: I havn't tried it to be honest, maybe | 14:16 |
| shardy | trown: ah, yeah, should be safe to land those pre-CI, I'll propose the rest later | 14:16 |
| dprince | trown: sounds good, ++ on getting those in | 14:17 |
| slagle | i pushed one for tht yesterday | 14:17 |
| slagle | added to etherpad :) | 14:18 |
| dprince | shardy: will try to ask about landing your updates patch in #openstack-infra today too | 14:18 |
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| dprince | #topic CI | 14:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:18 | |
| shardy | dprince: thanks, I have asked a couple of times already but got ignored | 14:19 |
| dprince | other than needing to bump DELOREAN_URL... any CI updates this week? | 14:19 |
| dprince | derekh: did we figure out the cause of the slow down? | 14:19 |
| shardy | dprince: to clarify, that only adds support for stable/liberty CI, there is no coverage of updates yet | 14:19 |
| shardy | that comes next | 14:19 |
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| dprince | shardy: sounds good | 14:20 |
| derekh | dprince: was going to ask about that, I havn't looked into it, | 14:20 |
| dprince | derekh: me neither | 14:20 |
| tremble | shardy: Do we have any idea how much more work the updates coverage will be? | 14:21 |
| derekh | Jiri added a patch to bubble up more info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242542/ | 14:21 |
| trown | derekh: dprince, I looked at that patch... and it never had the slow down | 14:21 |
| trown | and it seems to have gone away looking at the CI page | 14:21 |
| derekh | trown: gate-tripleo-ci-f21-haSUCCESS in 1h 56m 01s | 14:21 |
| dprince | trown: hmmm. perhaps just some environmental changes then? network related perhaps | 14:22 |
| shardy | tremble: I've started looking at it, as has derekh, not too bad I think, but I really wanted to get stable CI in first so we have a working baseline | 14:22 |
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| derekh | 2 weeks ago we were getting jobs finishing after around 80 minutes or so | 14:22 |
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| derekh | hmm. things do seem to have gotten a bit faster again, I'm going to see if I can produce a graph | 14:23 |
| gfidente | I was wondering if we shouldn't run the upgrade job also for the changes submitted to the stable branch? | 14:23 |
| derekh | it might make things more clear | 14:23 |
| trown | ah ok, there were jobs non-ha jobs taking 120min, so I was using that as the bad benchmark | 14:23 |
| trown | now they are 90-100 | 14:23 |
| dprince | derekh: I even saw one of my patches go as low as 66 minutes (the one where I removed the building of some ramdisks https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233449/) | 14:23 |
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| shardy | tremble: FYI I started brain-dumping into https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-update-testing | 14:24 |
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| shardy | everyone please add your thoughts there about what we need to test, then we can start with the simplest cases and add them incrementally | 14:24 |
| trown | derekh: dprince, I think we can lower heat timeout even more so failed jobs do not take so long | 14:24 |
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| derekh | dprince: ya, we've had a couple in the 60's (a rare few), | 14:25 |
| derekh | I'm going to create a trello card for it, if anybody wants to take it fire ahead | 14:25 |
| derekh | if not I'll get to it at some stage | 14:25 |
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| dprince | derekh: okay, thanks. | 14:26 |
| dprince | lets move on | 14:26 |
| dprince | #topic Specs | 14:26 |
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| derekh | https://trello.com/c/jnoMe1Vz/47-find-where-ci-jobs-are-spending-their-time | 14:27 |
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| dprince | any updates on specs this week? | 14:27 |
| dprince | FWIW my goal is to have a couple of specs posted soon for "Composable roles" and also for "splitting the stack" | 14:28 |
| dprince | ideas we talked about at the summit... | 14:28 |
| * gfidente would like reviews on the external lb spec and the relative submissions ;) | 14:29 | |
| trown | derekh, dprince: slightly to topic, do we do specs for big CI changes? | 14:29 |
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| dprince | trown: good question. I guess I'd leave it up to you. If you think it would be useful then perhaps... | 14:30 |
| derekh | trown: we havn't traditional but that doesn't meant we shouldn't | 14:30 |
| trown | at summit we talked a bit about an "undercloud appliance" created during the periodic job that updates the current-tripleo link... I have something like that working in rdo-manager, but it would be a pretty big change worthy of a spec I think | 14:30 |
| * derekh would review it | 14:30 | |
| trown | ok, I will put up a spec for it | 14:30 |
| dprince | trown: ++ sounds good | 14:31 |
| trown | there are still some tricky bits to work out | 14:31 |
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| dprince | gfidente: okay, we should try to push on your LB review here too https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233634/ | 14:33 |
| dprince | bnemec: ^^ are you still -1 on that with the feedback? | 14:33 |
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| dprince | perhaps we can discuss other specs later in #tripleo too | 14:35 |
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| dprince | #topic Review Priorities: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-review-priorities | 14:35 |
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| dprince | any review updates | 14:35 |
| * dprince has been slow on reviews after the summit | 14:36 | |
| tremble | dprince: jaosorior and I would still appreciate eyes on the tls_enablement CRs | 14:36 |
| dprince | tremble: gotcha | 14:37 |
| jtomasek | I'd love to get feedback on this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242439/ | 14:37 |
| jtomasek | (not saying I am not getting enough, though) | 14:37 |
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| dprince | okay, any other reviews that need highlighting please feel free to add them to the etherpad | 14:39 |
| dprince | we should probably groom the etherpad a bit as it grows over time too... | 14:39 |
| dprince | otherwise it may lose its purpose | 14:39 |
| d0ugal | +1 | 14:40 |
| dprince | #topic one off agenda items | 14:40 |
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| dprince | okay, tzumainn would you like to present your topic? | 14:41 |
| tzumainn | sure! | 14:41 |
| tzumainn | so at summit, there was tentative agreement to call the new TripleO API, tuskar v3 for various reasons | 14:41 |
| tzumainn | but objections have been raised in the spec review - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/230432/7 - and I find the arguments by jtomasek and bnemec compelling | 14:42 |
| jrist | drumroll | 14:42 |
| tzumainn | so I'd like to see if it'd be okay to name it tripleo-api after all, and have it live in tripleo-common | 14:42 |
| tzumainn | and then never have another naming discussion ever for the rest of my long long life ever again forever | 14:42 |
| d0ugal | lol | 14:42 |
| dtantsur | lol +1 | 14:42 |
| jtomasek | +1 | 14:42 |
| shardy | having an API in a common library sounds odd | 14:42 |
| shardy | but otherwise +1 | 14:43 |
| shardy | I assumed we'd have a new tripleo-api repo which depended on tripleo-common if we went with a new repo | 14:43 |
| rbrady | +1 | 14:43 |
| d0ugal | That's true, tripleo-common isn't well named for an API location. | 14:43 |
| jrist | how much are they paying you? | 14:43 |
| jrist | :) | 14:43 |
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| tzumainn | a new tripleo-api repo sounds reasonable | 14:43 |
| dtantsur | maybe it's time for something calles just tripleo? | 14:44 |
| dtantsur | we already have python-tripleoclient | 14:44 |
| tzumainn | yeah, I actually kinda think that renaming tripleo-common to tripleo might be the smoothest thing to do | 14:44 |
| dtantsur | like ironic and python-ironicclient | 14:44 |
| jtomasek | dtantsur: +1 | 14:44 |
| rbrady | +1 | 14:44 |
| d0ugal | dtantsur: That makes sense and matches the other projects. | 14:44 |
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| tzumainn | so if people agree, maybe adding the api to tripleo-common, and then eventually renaming tripleo-common to tripleo? | 14:44 |
| jtomasek | tzumainn: +1 | 14:45 |
| akrivoka | +1 | 14:45 |
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| dprince | tzumainn: so you're preference is that these live in the same repo | 14:45 |
| dtantsur | rename as early as possible | 14:45 |
| trown | well... I thougt there was disagreement about the same repo | 14:45 |
| d0ugal | Do we expect tripleo to be used as a library? | 14:45 |
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| dtantsur | renaming is a disaster, many of you probably already know it :) | 14:45 |
| gfidente | no rename please | 14:45 |
| trown | yes rename is very hard for packagers | 14:45 |
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| trown | so doing it early would be appreciated | 14:46 |
| shardy | d0ugal: yes, I assumed tripleo-common would support a public python API | 14:46 |
| tzumainn | dprince, I admit it makes sense to me, it seems like most projects have the api and the code it touches close together, but if packaging is an issue... ? | 14:46 |
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| dtantsur | the earlier we do it, the easier it is for everyone | 14:46 |
| shardy | and we'd layer a rest API on top of that, called tripleo-api/tuskarv3 | 14:46 |
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| d0ugal | shardy: Right, so the repo would be a mix of a public library and API code that shouldn't be used? | 14:46 |
| d0ugal | Could be a bit confusing, but probably not a big deal | 14:47 |
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| trown | creating more than one package from a single git tarball is what every other openstack service does | 14:47 |
| trown | ie ironic-api and ironic-conductor | 14:47 |
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| d0ugal | oh, cool - that I didn't know | 14:47 |
| shardy | d0ugal: Yeah, if we combine them then I think we'd be saying we don't want a public python API | 14:47 |
| rbrady | is tripleo-common even being packaged yet? | 14:47 |
| shardy | which may be OK, if we want both CLI and UI flows to use the new rest API | 14:47 |
| d0ugal | rbrady: I assume so, it is used by the CLI :) | 14:48 |
| trown | rbrady: ya it is even in liberty rdo | 14:48 |
| d0ugal | shardy: Yeah, I am fine with that. Having the API as one clear entry point makes things easier. | 14:48 |
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| d0ugal | (easier and clearer) | 14:48 |
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| tzumainn | my opinion is not that strong, so if it's better to have tripleo-api be a separate repo, that's fine with me | 14:49 |
| d0ugal | I like it all being in the same repo | 14:49 |
| jtomasek | tzumainn: since the api itself is really thin layer, I'd rather see it in the same repo, just to make things smoother | 14:49 |
| d0ugal | Otherwise we will forever be doing cross repo Depends-On even more :) | 14:49 |
| jtomasek | yes | 14:49 |
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| d0ugal | +1 | 14:49 |
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| shardy | tzumainn: mine isn't either, other than *-common isn't a good name for something with a rest api "tripleo" or "tripleo-api" make more sense to me | 14:50 |
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| jtomasek | +1 | 14:51 |
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| tzumainn | shardy, agreed, my preference is to add the api to tripleo-common and rename tripleo-common, but I'm not fully aware of the potential difficulties in doing so | 14:51 |
| trown | I am ok with doing that if we do it nowish... much less so if we wait a few months | 14:51 |
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| dprince | tzumainn: lots of oppinions on this I think | 14:52 |
| dprince | tzumainn: at the sake of drawing this out longer... do we need an email thread or perhaps a quick online vote for this? | 14:52 |
| jrist | online vote seems more productive | 14:53 |
| dprince | tzumainn: perhaps we can think on this for one more week and have an official vote at the next IRC meeting? | 14:53 |
| d0ugal | +1, we can go to email if a vote isn't conclusive? | 14:53 |
| tzumainn | dprince, I think there's actually a bit of consensus - if I understand what people are saying correctly, they're +1 to tripleo-api instead of tuskar, and okay with it being in tripleo-common as long as tripleo-common is renamed first? | 14:53 |
| jtomasek | I got impression of agreement, but if one more week is necessary, fine:) | 14:53 |
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| slagle | i dont think we need to think on anything for a week | 14:53 |
| tzumainn | I think I'm a bit worried about an email discussion because the opinions that people have come from all different directions | 14:54 |
| shardy | I kinda like the openstack/tripleo idea, but it's a little confusing compared to other projects because there are so many additional repos | 14:54 |
| jtomasek | the discussion has already happened at spec review | 14:54 |
| jrist | tzumainn: thus my comment | 14:54 |
| slagle | the api goes into tripleo-common. it's not called tuskar in any way | 14:54 |
| tzumainn | so I'm pretty sure that the email thread would explode into a billion different side-discussions | 14:54 |
| jrist | +1 | 14:54 |
| slagle | does anyone disagree with that? | 14:54 |
| jrist | no | 14:54 |
| shardy | so it's not like openstack/tripleo will contain all of the non-client pieces | 14:54 |
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| marios | tzumainn: can we just use sthing like a doodle poll with just the two options | 14:54 |
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| dprince | tzumainn: lets follow up in #tripleo after this meeting | 14:55 |
| tzumainn | marios, which two options - renaming tripleo-common vs not renaming tripleo-common, or separate repo for tripleo-api vs putting it into tripleo-common/tripleo, or... ? | 14:55 |
| tzumainn | dprince, fair enough, thanks! | 14:55 |
| dprince | tzumainn: I want to leave 5 minutes for dmitry to present too here | 14:55 |
| marios | tzumainn: having tripleo-api independent, or as part of tripleo-common | 14:55 |
| dprince | okay, dtantsur you are up | 14:56 |
| dtantsur | I don't need too much time to present, just making sure you saw my email about reusing OSC namespaces | 14:56 |
| dprince | dtantsur: re: Suggestion to stop using ironic and ironic-inspector OSC namespaces | 14:56 |
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| dprince | besides your email thread anything you want to highlight this week? | 14:56 |
| dtantsur | tl;dr is that we're invading into "openstack baremetal" namespace without syncing with what ironic plans and without trying to make our command generic enough | 14:56 |
| dprince | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/078859.html | 14:56 |
| dtantsur | which is fine, but I think we should use our namespace(s) | 14:57 |
| dtantsur | dprince, thanks! | 14:57 |
| dtantsur | main reason is confusion, especially "introspection bulk start" vs "introspection start" is hard, but others have problems as well | 14:57 |
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| dtantsur | so let's prefix things with overcloud, e.g. "overcloud nodes configure boot" or "overcloud baremetal configure boot", whatever | 14:58 |
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| * bnemec keeps forgetting that the meeting time changed | 14:59 | |
| d0ugal | +1, it makes a ton of sense to me. | 14:59 |
| marios | dtantsur: to be clear you mean openstack overcloud nodes configure boot | 14:59 |
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| dtantsur | marios, sure, I'm skipping the common "openstack" thingy | 14:59 |
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| dprince | dtantsur: I'm not sold on using "overcloud" as the new namespace for all these things. But I do generally agree you are onto something with these ideas... we should probably be more careful not to step across project namespaces like this | 15:00 |
| dprince | sorry to cut it short this week all but we are out of time | 15:01 |
| dtantsur | let's continue in channel | 15:01 |
| dprince | lets continue in #tripleo perhaps | 15:01 |
| dtantsur | thanks | 15:01 |
| dprince | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 10 15:01:49 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-11-10-14.02.html | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-11-10-14.02.txt | 15:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-11-10-14.02.log.html | 15:01 |
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| tzumainn | thanks all! | 15:02 |
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| tmorin | #startmeeting | 15:03 |
| openstack | tmorin: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 15:03 |
| tmorin | hi everyone | 15:03 |
| matrohon | hi | 15:03 |
| tmorin | #startmeeting bgpvpn | 15:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 10 15:03:13 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmorin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'bgpvpn' | 15:03 |
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| tmorin | hi janscheurich, matrohon, pcarver, Prem, timirnich_ | 15:03 |
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| janscheurich | hi tmorin | 15:03 |
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| timirnich_ | Hi all | 15:03 |
| janscheurich | hi tim | 15:04 |
| enikher | Hi all | 15:04 |
| timirnich_ | Hi Jan, how's it going? | 15:04 |
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| janscheurich | tim: not too bad | 15:04 |
| enikher | tmorin: thanks for the fast answer. I will push the code soon | 15:05 |
| tmorin | hi enikher | 15:05 |
| tmorin | it will have to be pushed to a backport branch, not created yet | 15:05 |
| tmorin | will cover that today | 15:05 |
| tmorin | #topic announcements | 15:05 |
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| tmorin | what do we have to announce ? | 15:06 |
| enikher | I have seen a stable/kilo branch already... | 15:06 |
| enikher | is that not the right one? | 15:06 |
| tmorin | no, will explain later in a 'backports' topic | 15:07 |
| enikher | ok | 15:07 |
| tmorin | we discussed, solved a few minor issues in the last week | 15:07 |
| tmorin | ie. some polish before considering a first release | 15:07 |
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| tmorin | doude has been working on the contrail driver | 15:08 |
| tmorin | now mostly finished I would say | 15:08 |
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| tmorin | we had also a bunch of things to change to follow the rename of the networking-bagpipe project (was networking-bagpipe-l2 before) | 15:09 |
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| janscheurich | odl driver location. Is that clarified? | 15:10 |
| tmorin | not really | 15:10 |
| tmorin | the decision early oct was to keep it in networking_odl | 15:10 |
| janscheurich | tim: can you discuss this with Prem et al? | 15:10 |
| tmorin | in tokyo the idea of having all drivers in networking-bgpvpn for a first release was looking nice | 15:11 |
| janscheurich | +1 | 15:11 |
| tmorin | but we need to confirm, either way, where to put it before a release | 15:11 |
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| timirnich_ | I got the info that it was a request by Neutron cores to have all ODL drivers in netrowking-odl | 15:11 |
| tmorin | a release saying "there is also an ODL driver, which is <here>" would work as well | 15:11 |
| janscheurich | Yes. that's ok for long-term | 15:11 |
| matrohon | This was the decision of the networking-odl team, we should leave this decision to that team | 15:12 |
| timirnich_ | The point is, if we want a different solution, we'll have to discuss with the cores. | 15:12 |
| janscheurich | We would need a release of that project on top of bgpvpn | 15:12 |
| timirnich_ | Yes. Do we know their release plans? | 15:13 |
| enikher | as far as I can see it is only one file and the config service_provider or? | 15:13 |
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| enikher | I mean it would be rather easy to cpoy the file into the bgpvpn repo... change the config | 15:14 |
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| enikher | and when the odl repo has it in place we will delete it from bgpvpn repo again... | 15:14 |
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| matrohon | enikher, yep, we left the door open to the odl team, to come back to the bgpvpn repo, which would be pretty easy | 15:14 |
| janscheurich | only as a temporary solution | 15:15 |
| tmorin | +1 | 15:15 |
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| janscheurich | Tim: Do you meet Prem et al in San Francisco? | 15:16 |
| matrohon | the main issue for them, will be to maintain the driver, since we won't handle chenges at the API layer as we can do if their driver were in our tree | 15:16 |
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| tmorin | the code looked ok when I reviewed, if someone submits the same driver file in networking-bgpvpn, we will review it | 15:16 |
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| tmorin | matrohon: this is why having it in networking-bgpvpn initially, until we stabililize the plugin/driver interface, looks like a better idea | 15:17 |
| matrohon | tmorin : I totally agree | 15:17 |
| janscheurich | we take the action to re-discuss with the ODL team | 15:17 |
| matrohon | tmorin : but it's not our decision | 15:17 |
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| janscheurich | Aim at decision until next week | 15:18 |
| tmorin | yes, please re-discuss | 15:18 |
| tmorin | the earlier the btter | 15:18 |
| tmorin | better | 15:18 |
| janscheurich | OK | 15:18 |
| matrohon | #action : janscheurich to discuss with ODL team to move their driver back to bgpvpn repo | 15:18 |
| tmorin | what's next ? | 15:19 |
| matrohon | #topic : resources vs subresources | 15:19 |
| tmorin | go ahead | 15:19 |
| enikher | matrohon: moving it back? I would go for push it to both repos | 15:19 |
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| matrohon | #undo | 15:19 |
| tmorin | can you undo twice ? | 15:20 |
| tmorin | not sure | 15:20 |
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| matrohon | enikher, you want to maintain two version of the driver? | 15:20 |
| enikher | matrohon: no but at the moment it is nowhere | 15:21 |
| enikher | it is not yet merged to any repo. | 15:21 |
| matrohon | anikher : ok | 15:21 |
| enikher | when it is there in an OS release then we could exclude it from bgpvpn repo | 15:21 |
| tmorin | #action : janscheurich to discuss with ODL team to initially submit their driver in bgpvpn repo until plugin/driver api stabilizes | 15:21 |
| enikher | +1 | 15:22 |
| tmorin | what about this alternate formulation ?? | 15:22 |
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| janscheurich | +1 | 15:22 |
| matrohon | #topic : resources vs subresources | 15:22 |
| matrohon | as you know net-assoc are now managed as subresources | 15:22 |
| matrohon | of bgpvpns resources | 15:22 |
| matrohon | I hardly see benefits of subres over resources | 15:23 |
| matrohon | it complexifies URIs | 15:23 |
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| matrohon | it is less tested, (tmorin fix a related bug in the client) | 15:24 |
| matrohon | and now that those subres are about to manage their tenant_id, I don't know why we should keep on having subresource, instead of resource | 15:25 |
| janscheurich | But it's more logical. An association can only be part of one BGPVPN | 15:25 |
| matrohon | yep, this is enforced at the db layer | 15:25 |
| tmorin | yes, this is the rationale for having chosen sub-resources | 15:25 |
| janscheurich | Why do assocs manage their own tenant_id? | 15:26 |
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| tmorin | matrohon: you mean that even with resources, it can be enforced by the db layer | 15:26 |
| matrohon | I wanted to discuss about benefits of subresources with dougwig or blogan, who introduced this concept for lbaas | 15:26 |
| matrohon | tmorin +1 | 15:26 |
| tmorin | janscheurich: the neutron api policy framework requires having a tenant_id for some corner cases, so we added tenant_ids to associations | 15:27 |
| matrohon | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+bug/1512789 | 15:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1512789 in bgpvpn "a tenant cannot list/show/delete its net-assocs resources" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Mathieu Rohon (mathieu-rohon) | 15:27 |
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| tmorin | janscheurich: we could have added tenant_id in the API layer only, but we also added it in the db layer, to make the code less surprising for people who will read it later | 15:28 |
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| janscheurich | matrohon: but it must be identical to the tenant_id of its parent bgpvpn, or? | 15:28 |
| tmorin | yes | 15:28 |
| tmorin | the plugin enforces that | 15:28 |
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| tmorin | we don't have a use-case for having an association tenant_id being different than the tenant_id of the BGPVPN | 15:29 |
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| matrohon | having subreources leads to this kind of incoherences : https://bugs.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+bug/1513087 | 15:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1513087 in bgpvpn "get_network_association inconsistency" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Thomas Morin (tmmorin-orange) | 15:30 |
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| matrohon | It's not a big deal, but I want to consider this move before having our first release | 15:31 |
| tmorin | I would have a tendency to keep things as is, not seeing a huge gain in simplification (the issue we found were solved in a satisfying way) | 15:31 |
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| tmorin | but we think it may be interested to hear from lbaas folks | 15:32 |
| janscheurich | +1 | 15:32 |
| matrohon | #action : matrohon to evaluate the benefit/drawbacks of moving net-assoc to a dedicated resource | 15:32 |
| tmorin | they moved some things from resources to sub-resources | 15:32 |
| tmorin | matrohon: +1 | 15:32 |
| tmorin | next topic ? | 15:32 |
| matrohon | tmorin, they also moves things from sub-resources to resources! | 15:32 |
| matrohon | I'd like to understand why | 15:32 |
| tmorin | yes | 15:32 |
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| matrohon | branch management? | 15:33 |
| tmorin | #topic backports and branches | 15:33 |
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| tmorin | a few things as a reminder: | 15:33 |
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| tmorin | we have recently understood that stable/* branch are very special | 15:33 |
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| tmorin | in these branches, only neutron stable maitainers can merge gerrit changes | 15:34 |
| tmorin | this reflects a contract between the Openstack and the outside world about what "stable" mean | 15:34 |
| tmorin | only bugfixes | 15:34 |
| tmorin | this obviously does not match what we need to do to work toward releases, in particular for backports | 15:35 |
| tmorin | this problem is not only for us | 15:35 |
| tmorin | see the email today from networking-calico folks | 15:35 |
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| tmorin | "Understanding stable/branchprocess for Neutron subprojects" | 15:36 |
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| tmorin | the current plan is to work on backports in their own branch | 15:36 |
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| enikher | The stable/kilo branch should be created after the release or? | 15:36 |
| tmorin | but to not name these branch "stable/x" | 15:36 |
| tmorin | enikher: not we first need a branch to work on a backport, we don't want to overwrite our current liberty-compatible code | 15:37 |
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| tmorin | so we asked the creation of a backport/kilo and a backport/juno branch | 15:37 |
| tmorin | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+bug/1513870 | 15:38 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1513870 in bgpvpn " networking-bgpvpn backport branches" [High,Confirmed] | 15:38 |
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| enikher | +1 | 15:38 |
| tmorin | we will see, when we want to do a release of these backports, how we can fit in the proces of "stable/*" deliveries | 15:39 |
| tmorin | that will be later | 15:39 |
| tmorin | in the meantime there will be a place to work on backports | 15:39 |
| tmorin | this should work fine, except one thing: continuous integration | 15:39 |
| tmorin | the CI jobs currently expect branch X of a project to be testing against branch X of other Openstack projects | 15:40 |
| tmorin | we already have a tweak in place so that networking-bgpvpn is tested both against master and stable/liberty | 15:40 |
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| tmorin | we will have to add additional tweaks so that backport/kilo be tested against stable/kilo of other openstack projects | 15:41 |
| tmorin | same for juno | 15:41 |
| tmorin | not enthousiasting, but doable | 15:41 |
| tmorin | the discussion in the community is in progress | 15:42 |
| tmorin | we'll see how it goes | 15:42 |
| tmorin | no comments ? :) | 15:44 |
| janscheurich | Regarding the scope of the Kilo backport | 15:44 |
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| janscheurich | We think think we would leave the door open to more than just PoCs and trials | 15:45 |
| janscheurich | So the DB migration at upgrade from Kilo to Liberty may become an issue | 15:45 |
| tmorin | janscheurich: ok, this means that the work should be done to allow this migration | 15:46 |
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| janscheurich | yes. I assume it will mean impact on the liberty branch | 15:46 |
| tmorin | some neutron projects were shipping their own db-migration tool, and now used the neutron modularized one | 15:46 |
| tmorin | so I think this is very doable | 15:47 |
| janscheurich | enikher will look into this | 15:47 |
| tmorin | janscheurich: maybe, maybe not -- if it does, we need to know it soon | 15:47 |
| tmorin | good | 15:47 |
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| janscheurich | I hope you can point him to some examples? | 15:48 |
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| enikher | I will check the other repos,, | 15:48 |
| tmorin | neutron-lbaas and neutron-vpnaas | 15:48 |
| tmorin | from memory | 15:48 |
| tmorin | at least one of the two | 15:49 |
| tmorin | finding the right solution is likely to require some playing | 15:50 |
| tmorin | next topic ? | 15:51 |
| tmorin | #topic drivers | 15:51 |
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| tmorin | any update on drivers ? | 15:51 |
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| tmorin | work is in progress on Nuage side, been in touch with them to help bootstrap the work | 15:51 |
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| tmorin | sorry I'm confused, that's not driver related, | 15:52 |
| tmorin | that's about Router attachement | 15:52 |
| tmorin | #topic open discussion | 15:52 |
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| tmorin | anything else ? | 15:53 |
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| janscheurich | I'm still waiting for company approval for the port_assoc and static_route API enhancements | 15:53 |
| janscheurich | request have been sent but no feedback so far | 15:54 |
| janscheurich | :-( | 15:54 |
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| tmorin | :-( | 15:54 |
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| tmorin | you mean for submitting a gerrit change for the API additions | 15:55 |
| tmorin | hope it can happen quickly | 15:55 |
| janscheurich | so do I | 15:55 |
| janscheurich | I can probably start a change with the clarifications we discussed | 15:56 |
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| tmorin | sure, this will be welcom | 15:57 |
| tmorin | e | 15:57 |
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| tmorin | ok, it seems like we are done | 15:59 |
| tmorin | thanks everyone | 15:59 |
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| tmorin | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 10 15:59:47 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2015/bgpvpn.2015-11-10-15.03.html | 15:59 |
| janscheurich | Thanks all | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2015/bgpvpn.2015-11-10-15.03.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2015/bgpvpn.2015-11-10-15.03.log.html | 15:59 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting containers | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 10 16:00:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: containers)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 16:00 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2015-11-10_1600_UTC Our Agenda | 16:00 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:00 |
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| vilobhmm | o/ | 16:00 |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:00 |
| Drago | o/ | 16:00 |
| hongbin | o/ | 16:00 |
| wanghua | o/ | 16:00 |
| muralia1 | murali allada | 16:00 |
| rlrossit | o/ | 16:00 |
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| rpothier | o/ | 16:00 |
| Kennan | hi /o | 16:00 |
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| Kennan | o/ | 16:00 |
| juggler | o/ | 16:00 |
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| sew2 | o/ | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | hello vilobhmm, Drago, hongbin, wanghua, muralia1, rlrossit, rpothier, Kennan, and juggler | 16:01 |
| jasonsb | hi | 16:01 |
| muralia1 | hi all | 16:01 |
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| Kennan | hi | 16:01 |
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| vilobhmm | hello adrian_otto, hello all | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | hello sew2, jasonsb | 16:01 |
| wanghua | hi all | 16:01 |
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| wznoinsk | hi | 16:01 |
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| juggler | hello all | 16:02 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:03 |
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| adrian_otto | any announcements form team members? | 16:03 |
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| eliqiao | o/ | 16:03 |
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| adrian_otto | s/form/from/ | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | ok, on to action items. | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | (none) | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Blueprint/Bug Review | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprint/Bug Review (Meeting topic: containers)" | 16:05 | |
| Kennan | hi adrian_otto | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | so this week I will be arranging all our BP's for Mitaka release | 16:05 |
| Kennan | it seems have a review action | 16:05 |
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| adrian_otto | hi Kennan, which should we look at together? | 16:05 |
| Kennan | Add filters support to api https://review.openstack.org/#/c/239362/ | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | I'm seeking input from the team for essential BP's for this release cycle | 16:06 |
| wanghua | I have one | 16:06 |
| Kennan | this is review from wanghua | 16:06 |
| wanghua | Yes | 16:06 |
| eliqiao | that one need to implyment on api micro-verison | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | ok, Kennan, thanks for raising that. Let's get to that one in just a moment. | 16:06 |
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| adrian_otto | we'll touch base quickly on blueprints first | 16:06 |
| Kennan | sure | 16:07 |
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| adrian_otto | so the question I'd like everyone's help with is what bp's should be marked as Essential, and tracked every week in our team meetings through completion. | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | if you have ones that you think should be marked in that way, you are welcome to set them accordingly, or identify them for me, and I can set them. | 16:08 |
| hongbin | I think we need to identify a list of Mitaka first | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | normally we have our subteams report back, and they tend to hold the highest priority items | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | come to think of it, I did that out of order this time. | 16:09 |
| eliqiao | should we put them here? or just set the approver as you adrian_otto. | 16:09 |
| hongbin | Correction: I think we need to identify a list of BPs for Mitaka first | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | hongbin: fair enough. So if you have BP's that you are sure should be included in Mitaka, mark me as the approver, and we'll get those scoped over the next few days. | 16:09 |
| eliqiao | I would suggest that we create an etherpad to tracking them. | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | eliqiao: ok, I'll make one now One moment. | 16:10 |
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| Kennan | do we set all Mitaka bps in this meeting ? | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-magnum-planning Magnum Mitaka Planning | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | no, this will not be a final list today | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | this is a way for us to share input as a team early in the cycle | 16:11 |
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| adrian_otto | great, so we have that kicked off. You are welcome to add to that bp after we conclude today as well, and we can true it up next time we meet. | 16:13 |
| rods | hi all | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | let's go to subteam updates in the mean time, and I'll come back to reviews/bugs after that so we can discuss https://review.openstack.org/239362 | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | hi rods | 16:14 |
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| adrian_otto | daneyon is not here, so I might skip "Container Networking Subteam Update" | 16:15 |
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| adrian_otto | we did not hold a meeting on Thursday due to confusion between UTC and local time after our recent DST shift | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | we can revisit that next time | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | bradjones|away: seems away | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | anyone have an update for "Magnum UI Subteam Update" | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | ? | 16:16 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, looks like our planning etherpad is taking form, so let's discuss reviews. | 16:18 |
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| adrian_otto | Kennan, you're up for this one: | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/239362 | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | or that was wanghua's | 16:19 |
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| Kennan | hi adrian_otto | 16:19 |
| Kennan | it is a change from wanghua | 16:19 |
| Kennan | he implements feature to allow magnum cli add filters part | 16:19 |
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| Kennan | the filters mainly work for magnum db objects ,like pod, service etc. | 16:20 |
| eliqiao | I think we need this change. | 16:20 |
| Kennan | but another feature vilobhmm | 16:20 |
| eliqiao | but I am thinking about if it should be implymented based on micro-version(since we have supported it) | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | I see in the comments that you have a concern about the impact on another contribution: | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/213368 | 16:20 |
| Kennan | implements now is native tool retrieve directly from backends | 16:20 |
| Kennan | which can make db features override the two seems conflict to me | 16:21 |
| vilobhmm | so the basic question boils down to…do we need to have the information for k8s objects stored in db or fetch directly from k8s backend | 16:22 |
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| wanghua | I think we need store pod, service in db, too | 16:22 |
| vilobhmm | fetch directly from k8s backend - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213368/ | 16:22 |
| vilobhmm | information for k8s objects stored in db - https://review.openstack.org/239362 | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | vilobhmm: our intent was to have a single source of truth, rather than dealing with synchronization | 16:22 |
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| vilobhmm | adrian_otto : agree | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | is there a reason this is not practical? | 16:23 |
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| eghobo | adrian_otto: +1, we agreed don't keep kub state in magnum | 16:23 |
| vilobhmm | eghobo : +1 | 16:24 |
| madhuri | +1 | 16:24 |
| Kennan | adrian_otto: if that case, seems db filter feaure not needed | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | in general, we should not, but that guidance should not be absolute if there is a very good reason why we should be mirroring something in magnum | 16:24 |
| juggler | +1 | 16:24 |
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| adrian_otto | so let's view that as a preference to keep only one copy of relevant state, but to be willing to duplicate it when justified | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | so that's what I'm probing for now | 16:25 |
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| eghobo | adrian_otto: sorry I was late, but what is the reason? | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | we have not identified one yet | 16:25 |
| wanghua | If we don't store some k8s infos in db, the user need to give the bay to show the pod, like magnum pod-show pod-id bay-id | 16:25 |
| wanghua | I think it is wired. | 16:26 |
| eghobo | sorry disagree | 16:26 |
| vilobhmm | wanghua : but why is that weird ? | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | ok, good. that's what this discussion is for! | 16:26 |
| eghobo | in kubctl you have to provide pod name | 16:26 |
| eghobo | i think user need to do two commands | 16:27 |
| wanghua | but we should know which bay the pod belongs to | 16:27 |
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| eghobo | magnun get pods bayid and magnun show pod pod_name bayid | 16:27 |
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| eghobo | wanghua: it's correct but user can have many bays | 16:28 |
| eghobo | and many pods with the same name | 16:28 |
| wanghua | yes, but pod-id is unique | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | in k8s you just have a single pod list. In magnum, there are multiple lists (by bay) | 16:29 |
| Kennan | seems k8s use namespace to separate resources | 16:29 |
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| vilobhmm | Kennan : yup | 16:29 |
| eghobo | adrian_otto: yes, I and I think we should require bayid everywhere | 16:29 |
| madhuri | Kennan: Yes | 16:30 |
| eghobo | Kennan: typical usecase for namespace for example is environment: PROD, DEV, QA | 16:30 |
| hongbin | eghobo: sounds like a candidate to turn into a BP: require bayid everywhere | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | if the concern is simplifying the client… we do have a possible optimization we could make. We could allow the client to fetch the bay_id from a shell env variable. That way the user could set that, and not have to supply it for every command as long as it is set. | 16:30 |
| vilobhmm | hongbin : its already in progress | 16:31 |
| eghobo | adrian_otto: +1 | 16:31 |
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| Tango | What about call from API? | 16:31 |
| Tango | REST API | 16:31 |
| madhuri | adrian_otto: +1 | 16:31 |
| vilobhmm | adrian_otto : +1 | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | Tango: in that case it could be placed into the context by the user | 16:31 |
| hongbin | Yes, the environmental variables approach sound good. | 16:31 |
| Kennan | wanghua: do you have other comments for that ? I think most of your patch fetch info from db part | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | but for API usage I think it's better simply to require the bay-id | 16:32 |
| vilobhmm | Tango : API receives both bay_identifier and pod identifier and then makes call to conductor to fetch entries from k8s endpoint | 16:32 |
| wanghua | If we can automatically fetch the bay id, I think it is ok | 16:32 |
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| adrian_otto | wanghua: let's be careful to try to keep the API implementation as stateless as we reasonably can | 16:33 |
| Tango | vilobhmm: thanks | 16:33 |
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| eghobo | wanghua: could you elaborate about it? | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | let's not have "magic" in the API | 16:33 |
| vilobhmm | adrian_otto : +1 | 16:33 |
| Kennan | ok. it seems your bp can be dropped if vilobhmm can implements his bp(fetch from k8s backends) | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | and not hold server side state that will not scale out efficiently | 16:33 |
| vilobhmm | stateless api r better | 16:34 |
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| wanghua | Kennan: I will drop my bp | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so are we at a consensus point now? | 16:34 |
| Kennan | I am ok if finally fetch from k8s endpoints performance not bad. of course, it needs more test :0 | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | let's mark the direction in the respective Gerrit reviews to offer guidance to reviewers | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | Kennan: that would be a reasonable justification for mirroring data in Magnum, of we are unable to overcome performance constraints. | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | s/of/if/ | 16:36 |
| eghobo | Kennan: performance should be fine, Kub folks are very religious about keeping response time under 1 sec ;) | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | as long as we are only making a single connection to k8s to fetch what we need, then performance is unlikely to inhibit us | 16:37 |
| vilobhmm | adrian_otto, Kennan : I tried my chnages in devstack for obj-from-bay for rc…and I could not see considerable difference http://paste.openstack.org/show/478215/ I can time the request and update the review with before and after for close inspection | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | if we need to make a whole bunch of requests, then we may need to revisit the approach | 16:37 |
| vilobhmm | adrian_otto : we are making a single connection | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | thanks vilobhmm | 16:38 |
| Kennan | wanghua thanks for your previous work, I raise your review here just because vilobhmm bp have some conflicts with your bp. :) | 16:38 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, are we all happy with this for now? | 16:38 |
| madhuri | +1 | 16:38 |
| vilobhmm | +1 | 16:39 |
| Kennan | +1 | 16:39 |
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| wanghua | +1 | 16:39 |
| Tango | +1 | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | great. | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | so we have time to look at other work together as a team before we proceed to Open Discussion | 16:39 |
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| adrian_otto | anyone have bugs/reviews/bp's to raise for team discussion today? | 16:40 |
| juggler | +1 | 16:40 |
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| eliqiao | adrian_otto: I have issue to create bay on gate. | 16:40 |
| eghobo | I have one question about this big renames https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243413/ | 16:40 |
| hongbin | I have one to discuss (after eliqiao ) | 16:40 |
| madhuri | eghobo: +1 | 16:40 |
| eghobo | can somebody provide reason? | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | ok, let's take eliqiao first. Please elaborate. | 16:41 |
| eliqiao | okay. | 16:41 |
| eliqiao | adrian_otto: 1 for swarm functional testing, bay created failed on gate, debuged into it , found vm failed to start docker service. | 16:41 |
| vilobhmm | eliqiao : do you have a link for the failure ? | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | ok | 16:42 |
| wanghua | Can it work in your local env | 16:42 |
| eliqiao | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226125/ | 16:42 |
| vilobhmm | thanks! | 16:42 |
| eghobo | eliqiao: check volume config | 16:42 |
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| eliqiao | wanghua: yeah, it works on my local setup. | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | perhaps the available storage is to small? | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | s/to/too/ | 16:42 |
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| hongbin | Yes, I would suggest to ture the cinder volume into 5G and tried again | 16:43 |
| wanghua | I find that the gate may fail even if your patch is ok sometimes. | 16:43 |
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| eliqiao | the docker serivce log #link http://logs.openstack.org/25/226125/27/check/gate-functional-dsvm-magnum-k8s/125998a/logs/bay_nodes/172.24.5.6/docker.txt.gz | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so let's take that one to #openstack-contaienrs after the team meeting to help understand the cause | 16:44 |
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| eliqiao | ok. | 16:44 |
| hongbin | I have one to disuss | 16:44 |
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| muralia1 | adrian_otto: I have one more thing to talk about. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232152 | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/243413 Renamed the heat-kubernetes and heat-mesos | 16:44 |
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| hongbin | adrian_otto: I think Magnum has a liberty release? Then this review is wrong https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242068/ | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | eliqiao: you had remarks on this one? | 16:44 |
| Kennan | eliqiao: I suspect it was because volume size | 16:45 |
| Kennan | in our jenkins default volume size is 1GB ? | 16:45 |
| eghobo | eliqiao: Daneyon had similar problem, just check it's really latest fedora 5 | 16:45 |
| eliqiao | okay, thanks guys, will try to make volume size bigger. | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | hongbin: we do have a beta, but I need to release that as a final | 16:45 |
| Kennan | for k8s the docker storage has mini requirements 2GB | 16:45 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: ack | 16:45 |
| Kennan | you can set 4GB if jenknis have enough storage | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | we had a couple of patches backported on that branch that need to be included.Renamed the heat-kubernetes and heat-mesos | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | s/Renamed the heat-kubernetes and heat-mesos// | 16:46 |
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| madhuri | adrian_otto: I don't find any good reason to rename it | 16:46 |
| wanghua | heat-kubernetes, heat-mesos, docker-swarm | 16:47 |
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| adrian_otto | is Shravya Gaddam present today? | 16:47 |
| wanghua | I think we should add heat to all, or not to all | 16:47 |
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| wanghua | This bug is proposed by me... | 16:47 |
| adrian_otto | ok, it is a heat template | 16:48 |
| Kennan | seems heat-docker-swarm ? if consider consistence | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | which is why that's in the filename | 16:48 |
| Kennan | or heat-dockerswarm | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | but all of this came from one thing... | 16:48 |
| wanghua | They are all under templates dir. So they must be a template. | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | the heat-kubernetes project name | 16:49 |
| leecalcote | wanghua: agreed. whether "heat" stays or is removed, it'd be nice to remove "docker" and shorten docker-swarm to "swarm". In this way, each of the COEs are one word references. | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | it probably would have made sense to call that "kebernetes" to begin with | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | and others with heat- in the name are attempt to confirm with that name scheme | 16:49 |
| eghobo | i think it's better remove heat prefix, because we have even diskbuilder elements inside | 16:49 |
| wanghua | We only use heat, no other methods. | 16:50 |
| wanghua | So I think it is not necessary to add heat in the name | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | eghobo: I do agree, and as long as this change is not disruptive I don't see a reason to oppose it. | 16:50 |
| madhuri | Make sense | 16:50 |
| juggler | did you mean kubernetes not kebernetes above? :) | 16:51 |
| hongbin | My concerns is if the renaming will affect the git history | 16:51 |
| eliqiao | +1 | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | hongbin: this is done with a git rename, so that should not wipe history. | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | but it could cause other patches to need a rebase | 16:51 |
| Kennan | I am with rename, as both seems readable for me | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | so it could slow down merge of work on code within these directories | 16:52 |
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| adrian_otto | I'll open up for Open Discussion now | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | #topic #open-discussion | 16:52 |
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| vilobhmm | adrian_otto : IMHO security was a priority in liberty (with TLS and other imp features that went in for liberty) do we have something of that sort which we are planning for mitaka ? | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | seemed that we have a lose consensus to support the rename proposed in https://review.openstack.org/243413 | 16:53 |
| vilobhmm | asking this so that we can align the blueprints in that direction | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | s/lose/loose/ | 16:53 |
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| hongbin | I am OK for the rename. | 16:54 |
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| Tango | +1 on rename | 16:54 |
| vilobhmm | +1 from me to.. | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | vilobhmm: yes. We held a design session on that topic, and decided we'd like to see further progression there. | 16:54 |
| leecalcote | yes - +1 on rename. It would be good to consider removing "docker", too. | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | resolving issues with Barbican and allowing for secret storage through an abstraction | 16:54 |
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| leecalcote | or put "apache" in front of mesos... | 16:54 |
| Kennan | seems native featch from backend need to use TLS related vilobhmm: if I get it correctly | 16:55 |
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| adrian_otto | leecalcote: nah, one word is fine | 16:55 |
| juggler | +1 for the rename | 16:55 |
| vilobhmm | adrian_otto : thanks! Kennan : Yes it will | 16:55 |
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| adrian_otto | vilobhmm: we really dislike having passwords in our configuration files, and would really like to avoid that. | 16:55 |
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| adrian_otto | so any approach that would free us from that requirement would be welcome | 16:56 |
| eghobo | +1 for rename, but with proper explanation why in commit message ;) | 16:56 |
| Kennan | adrian_otto some passwords like tenant password seems in other openstack projects ? | 16:56 |
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| vilobhmm | adrian_otto : sure | 16:56 |
| adrian_otto | Kennan: no, like the magnum API password on the bay nodes | 16:57 |
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| eghobo | Kennan: +1, we need to remove passwords | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | so the entire subject of credentials management is something I'd like to mature in Magnum | 16:57 |
| juggler | agree eghobo...it seems https://bugs.launchpad.net/magnum/+bug/1514682 could have just a tiny bit more detail about why it's being renamed | 16:57 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1514682 in Magnum "Rename heat-kubernetes to kubernetes, heat-mesos to mesos" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Hua Wang (humble00) | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | we have just a minute remaining, so let's wrap up | 16:58 |
| Kennan | adrian_otto: ok I need check other core projects, seems only we use barbican, so we remove them ? | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | oh, I forgot | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | I will be traveling next week, and would like help to chair the meeting | 16:59 |
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| adrian_otto | contact me if you can help | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | 50% chance I can attend next week | 16:59 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: I can chair the meeting | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | thanks hongbin! | 16:59 |
| juggler | awesome h | 16:59 |
| Kennan | adrian_otto: I checked nova related config still use password in text | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | our next team meeting is 2015-11-17 at 1600 UTC. Hongbin will chair. Thanks!! | 17:00 |
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| Kennan | ok it maybe barbican related | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 10 17:00:13 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-11-10-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-11-10-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-11-10-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| juggler | take care all | 17:00 |
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| eliqiao | bye | 17:01 |
| sergmelikyan | #startmeeting murano | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 10 17:01:20 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sergmelikyan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:01 |
| sergmelikyan | Hi folks :/ | 17:01 |
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| sergmelikyan | o/ | 17:01 |
| daneyon_ | o/ | 17:01 |
| katyafervent | hi | 17:01 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | o/ | 17:02 |
| Nikolay_St | hi | 17:02 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I've left this channel at some point =) the number of #openstack-meeting channels is getting out of hand =) | 17:03 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I've heard the're planning to add -4 sometime soon ) | 17:03 |
| sergmelikyan | omg :) | 17:03 |
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| sergmelikyan | Let's get started :) | 17:05 |
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| sergmelikyan | #topic Image and package visibility concerns | 17:06 |
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| sergmelikyan | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/079041.html | 17:06 |
| kzaitsev_mb | ok, so there was a letter from Oliver | 17:06 |
| kzaitsev_mb | yep #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/079041.html | 17:06 |
| kzaitsev_mb | oh, no, that's my response =) | 17:06 |
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| mfalatic | o/ | 17:07 |
| kzaitsev_mb | anyway. the situation is the following: | 17:07 |
| kzaitsev_mb | we've already merged commits to CLI and dashboard(earlier toady), that attempt to set visibility of the images | 17:07 |
| kzaitsev_mb | to the same value as the one of the packages at upload time | 17:08 |
| kzaitsev_mb | so basically the bug is solved. | 17:08 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | one other question Oliver raised was that after the packages is uploaded — visibility of an image might be changed. | 17:08 |
| kzaitsev_mb | which basically breaks murano package, that depends on it. | 17:09 |
| kzaitsev_mb | (meaning you can't use the public package from other project, after that) | 17:09 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | So the first half of the bug is solved and merged, while the 2d one... | 17:10 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | Currently it seems to be very difficult to implement that, but we might be able to do so, as part of our migration towards glare. | 17:10 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I believe we should file a BP for that, and probably consult with ativelkov and other glare guys whether it would be possible at some point to maintin dependecny graph (with respect to visibility and probably other properties) | 17:11 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Am I typing too much? =) | 17:12 |
| katyafervent | This situation looks good to me. | 17:12 |
| * sergmelikyan still reading :) | 17:12 | |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/236830/ | 17:12 |
| kzaitsev_mb | CLI commit | 17:12 |
| katyafervent | That's good, that we fixed some issues and we should make should everything works as expected in glare | 17:12 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | dashboard commit: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/236834/ | 17:12 |
| katyafervent | And now we can concentrate on other issues | 17:13 |
| kzaitsev_mb | do not be alarmed by -1 from ativelkov, if you read the comment — he's actually ok with the patch | 17:13 |
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| sergmelikyan | I agree with creating BP for the future | 17:13 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I'll try to ping Oliver (shame he's not here today =/) | 17:13 |
| kzaitsev_mb | if he doesn't — I'll file it | 17:14 |
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| sergmelikyan | regarding changing visibility - it's hard to guard against actions like that - user can delete VM for deployed applications at any point of time | 17:14 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #action kzaitsev_mb file a BP for maintaining visiblity of dependencies (or have Oliver do it) | 17:14 |
| sergmelikyan | or even complete stack | 17:14 |
| kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: well, it's not about VM, but about glance image, that murano package depends on | 17:14 |
| kzaitsev_mb | i.e: can we forbid deleting an image that public packages depend upon? | 17:15 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I believe currently not | 17:15 |
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| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: I understand, but I am saying that user who has access to the cloud - can basically break working application at any point of time - or even remove dependencies | 17:15 |
| sergmelikyan | including images and packages | 17:15 |
| kzaitsev_mb | but can we do something, with that, when we move to glare, not sure =) | 17:15 |
| kzaitsev_mb | well, it might turn out, that the task is impossible in the end =) | 17:16 |
| sergmelikyan | I guess GLARE can help us here, not prevent, but at least warn about things like that BEFORE deployment | 17:16 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | at best we might warn somehow, that the user is breaking stuff | 17:16 |
| sergmelikyan | yep | 17:17 |
| kzaitsev_mb | oh, you're right, glare might help perform a pre-flight check | 17:17 |
| kzaitsev_mb | so that the user would get an early meaningfull error in case dependencies are missing | 17:17 |
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| sergmelikyan | yep - that's what I am thinking about - will you reflect that? | 17:19 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | yep, in a BP (I've already added action ) | 17:20 |
| sergmelikyan | #topic Juno EOL (kzaitsev) | 17:20 |
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| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: today you are men of the meeting :) | 17:20 |
| kzaitsev_mb | So this is another thing I wanted to highlight | 17:20 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StableBranchRelease#Planned_stable.2Fjuno_releases_.2812_months.29 | 17:21 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I've pinged apevec today, and he is planning to release last juno release this week | 17:21 |
| kzaitsev_mb | unless something happens | 17:21 |
| kzaitsev_mb | and that something is happening in this #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/078630.html ML thread =) | 17:22 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | So what I wanted to say is that most likely We'll release the last release of juno this week. | 17:23 |
| kzaitsev_mb | marking its EOL | 17:23 |
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| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: agree :) | 17:23 |
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| sergmelikyan | we need to verify that everything is merged there first | 17:23 |
| kzaitsev_mb | oh yeah, if someone doesn't know it yet — I'm the one who's going to carry out release duties during M cycle =) | 17:23 |
| sergmelikyan | Yep - sorry forgot to announce that :) | 17:24 |
| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: thank you so much for agreeing to help me with that :) | 17:24 |
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| Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: congrats with the new duties) | 17:26 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | well, I actually do not have anything to add on the topic =) | 17:27 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | Nikolay_St: as if new duties is something we all want =)))) | 17:28 |
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| sergmelikyan | #topic Open Discussion | 17:28 |
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| katyafervent | I want to discuss our docs | 17:30 |
| freerunner | sergmelikyan: Open Discussion? :) So, we have at least one more item in agenda, or I'm wrong? | 17:30 |
| katyafervent | We still have no automatic build on RTD. And I agreed, that duplicating docs are confusing | 17:30 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | katyafervent: know what you did there ;) | 17:30 |
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| katyafervent | We can add link to murano docs from the official openstack page | 17:30 |
| katyafervent | well, it should be done anyway :) | 17:31 |
| sergmelikyan | katyafervent: looks like you added that item after I've checked the page, sorry | 17:31 |
| katyafervent | I will talk to the documentation team about it. but building on rtd is still actual question | 17:31 |
| kzaitsev_mb | katyafervent: on good idea fungi did mentions — is that we can ask folks from the doc-team. ML or attend their meeting | 17:32 |
| katyafervent | It was not me :) | 17:32 |
| sergmelikyan | katyafervent: true, I thought that would happen automatically once a day - but this is not working | 17:32 |
| fungi | right, check with the docs team about getting the main index updated | 17:32 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | well, one thing that is bad right now: you can't google official documentation =( | 17:32 |
| fungi | that's where official projects' documentation resides | 17:32 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I can't google it anyway. google points me to readthedocs =( | 17:33 |
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| sergmelikyan | fungi: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/openstack-projects.html - you are talking about this? | 17:33 |
| katyafervent | also, there is a way to get different versions of the docs in a better way that we don't know about :) | 17:33 |
| katyafervent | sergmelikyan, http://www.openstack.org/software/project-navigator/ | 17:34 |
| katyafervent | I'd like to see murano here ^^^ | 17:34 |
| fungi | katyafervent: oh, that' | 17:34 |
| fungi | s handled by the foundation staff | 17:34 |
| fungi | not the community | 17:34 |
| fungi | www.openstack.org is not a community maintained site | 17:34 |
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| fungi | it's the foundation's marketing portal, basically | 17:35 |
| sergmelikyan | katyafervent: there was mailing thread about project navigator | 17:35 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: katyafervent: Am I understanding this correctly, that we've agreed to deprecated readthedocs? | 17:36 |
| katyafervent | I think we should start working on that. At least update links everywhere to openstack docs | 17:37 |
| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: no, we still want them to be available and up to date, but we can't use OpenStack Infra for that like before | 17:37 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: hm. so how would we update the docs then? | 17:38 |
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| katyafervent | I don't find the way of automatic update, may be somebody else should look up | 17:39 |
| freerunner | Folks, we missed one important topic... kzaitsev_mb sergmelikyan | 17:39 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I wonder if Sahara guys are having the same issue.. | 17:40 |
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| katyafervent | kzaitsev_mb, they do | 17:40 |
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| katyafervent | but it doesn't bother them :) | 17:40 |
| kzaitsev_mb | lol =) | 17:41 |
| kzaitsev_mb | then probably it shouldn't bother us too? | 17:41 |
| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: I would still prefer to have them in two places :) Doesn't hurt | 17:42 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I wonder what was the issue in the first place.. | 17:42 |
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| katyafervent | sergmelikyan, it's extra headache to manage | 17:43 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | well I'm ok with it as long as everyone is ok with it. Seems like doc-team and infra team are not that ok with it ) | 17:43 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | gotta investigate more | 17:43 |
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| katyafervent | I'm also voting for rtd deprecation | 17:44 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | well, unless there would be an easy way to sync rtd | 17:45 |
| kzaitsev_mb | let's check what other projects use rtd? | 17:46 |
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| katyafervent | #action: Investigate and find out way of managing RTD | 17:47 |
| katyafervent | let's discuss docs on ML or in murano later | 17:48 |
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| Nikolay_St | freerunner: has something to talk about | 17:49 |
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| freerunner | Nikolay_St: Thanks for notification ;) | 17:52 |
| freerunner | So, I would like to inform you guys, that today or tomorrow I will make a commit, which will enable py34 jobs for muranoclient. | 17:53 |
| andreykurilin__ | (great) | 17:53 |
| freerunner | ofc, it will non-voting | 17:53 |
| kzaitsev_mb | awesome =) | 17:54 |
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| freerunner | So, we have a bp for py34 support, and me and kzaitsev_mb will work on it ;) | 17:54 |
| StanLagun | isn't it py35 already? | 17:54 |
| andreykurilin__ | When muranoclient will start support py34, rally team will move muranoclient from optional-requirements to main | 17:54 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I've done some preliminary work to see if our client is py3 ready. it isn't, but doesn't seem that bad | 17:54 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | StanLagun: the jobs as of now use py34 AFAIK | 17:55 |
| freerunner | StanLagun: I think, we should make py34 support first. | 17:55 |
| andreykurilin__ | StanLagun: I suppose that OpenStack infrastructure is ready only for py33 and py34 | 17:55 |
| andreykurilin__ | py33 jobs alredy deprecated, so currently only py34 job is available | 17:56 |
| StanLagun | since we cannot use any of py3 features I guess it is not important anyway | 17:56 |
| kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234336/ | 17:57 |
| kzaitsev_mb | So | 17:57 |
| katyafervent | FYI https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243748/ murano link is added | 17:57 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I believe we should deprecate rtfd | 17:57 |
| freerunner | StanLagun: It is important in case, that most of OpenStack clients have py34 support. | 17:57 |
| andreykurilin__ | StanLagun: if muranoclient will not support py3, some project can remove support for murano or something else | 17:57 |
| StanLagun | freerunner: I meen the difference between 3.4 and 3.5 is not important for us as we can't make use of 3.5 features anyway | 17:58 |
| andreykurilin__ | :) | 17:58 |
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| freerunner | StanLagun: AFAIK, infra heve no py35 jobs yet. | 17:59 |
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| sergmelikyan | thank you folks for the meeting! | 18:00 |
| sergmelikyan | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 10 18:00:18 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-11-10-17.01.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-11-10-17.01.txt | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-11-10-17.01.log.html | 18:00 |
| freerunner | StanLagun: So, even you want py35 support, our cli will work with py35, when we make py34 support | 18:00 |
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| sputnik13 | #startmeeting cue | 18:11 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 10 18:11:52 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sputnik13. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:11 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:11 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cue' | 18:11 |
| sputnik13 | role call | 18:12 |
| sputnik13 | o/ | 18:12 |
| davideagnello | o/ | 18:12 |
| sputnik13 | hmm, no one else here | 18:12 |
| sputnik13 | ? | 18:12 |
| sputnik13 | alrighty then | 18:13 |
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| sputnik13 | #topic Action Items | 18:15 |
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| sputnik13 | only action from last week is on me... | 18:15 |
| * sputnik13 kicks the can a little further | 18:15 | |
| sputnik13 | #action sputnik13 to fill in details for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cue/+spec/kafka | 18:15 |
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| sputnik13 | maybe I can stop kicking the can now :) | 18:15 |
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| davideagnello | haha the can has been moving quite far :) | 18:16 |
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| sputnik13 | new bug | 18:17 |
| sputnik13 | err yeah we're moving to bugs... I don't have anything in particular to discuss and with most of the team not here... | 18:18 |
| sputnik13 | #topic Bugs | 18:18 |
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| sputnik13 | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cue/+bug/1514559 | 18:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1514559 in Cue "Zookeeper runs out of Heap space" [Undecided,New] | 18:18 |
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| davideagnello | sputnik13: yes, added that recently | 18:19 |
| davideagnello | there are a couple of changes that are required in order to address the issues related to this bug | 18:19 |
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| davideagnello | the first being where we persist all job related data | 18:21 |
| davideagnello | the second, when we delete old job related data | 18:21 |
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| davideagnello | the issue is that zookeeper runs out of heap space because data we save to it is never deleted and overtime it runs out of heap space | 18:22 |
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| dkalleg | o/ | 18:22 |
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| sputnik13 | ok, so we probably need a couple different strategies to address this | 18:23 |
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| sputnik13 | but this does sound like a critical bug since cue will stop functioning over time | 18:24 |
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| davideagnello | I agree | 18:25 |
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| sputnik13 | the "where we persist" thing seems easy enough, we just need to make sure that's well tested | 18:25 |
| sputnik13 | the "when we delete" seems like it'll be more involved | 18:26 |
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| davideagnello | sounds like it | 18:26 |
| sputnik13 | ok, marked critical and triaged | 18:27 |
| sputnik13 | we'll have to get it in asap | 18:27 |
| sputnik13 | let's discuss the details of implementation in the bug | 18:27 |
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| davideagnello | in terms of the where aspect first | 18:28 |
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| sputnik13 | what of it? | 18:28 |
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| davideagnello | where we save task flow job related data | 18:29 |
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| dkalleg | mysql! | 18:30 |
| sputnik13 | alright, let's capture that in the bug | 18:30 |
| sputnik13 | as in in the bug report | 18:30 |
| sputnik13 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/cue/+bug/1514559 | 18:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1514559 in Cue "Zookeeper runs out of Heap space" [Critical,Triaged] | 18:30 |
| sputnik13 | any other bugs we need to cover? | 18:31 |
| dkalleg | however, that does yield a similar result, but slower. If we're constantly pushing data to mysql without cleaning periodically, it will fill too | 18:31 |
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| sputnik13 | dkalleg agreed, we need a more complete answer to this problem | 18:32 |
| sputnik13 | good news with mysql though is there is usually monitoring | 18:32 |
| dkalleg | Is a simple size cap & destroy old records good enough? | 18:33 |
| sputnik13 | to do that cue would have to be aware of how much space is being used | 18:33 |
| sputnik13 | I think that's better accomplished via operator/infrastructure automation | 18:34 |
| davideagnello | wouldn't saving all job related data to disk vs memory affect performance though? | 18:34 |
| sputnik13 | we can affect what is kept and what's deleted | 18:34 |
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| sputnik13 | davideagnello technically, but we're not dealing with ultra high throughput, so that shouldn't be an issue | 18:35 |
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| davideagnello | ok | 18:36 |
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| davideagnello | I think another aspect can be a recommended zookeeper configuration/tuning for Cue | 18:37 |
| sputnik13 | davideagnello that's fine but that kind of masks the problem rather than resolving it | 18:38 |
| sputnik13 | we need some functions to allow operators to safely remove records | 18:38 |
| davideagnello | sputnik13: yup, it wouldn't be replacing the correct solution, it's more of an optimization | 18:38 |
| sputnik13 | and maybe some background process that periodically cleans things | 18:38 |
| davideagnello | hmm maybe that can be integrated with the conductor process | 18:39 |
| sputnik13 | the latter could even be offloaded to whatever automation already exists for monitoring disk/database usage levels | 18:39 |
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| davideagnello | the only issue I see with having all the logic in the monitor process is if it is ever down, the API (which posts jobs) can bring Cue down over time | 18:42 |
| sputnik13 | "whatever automation already exists for monitoring" != cue-monitor | 18:43 |
| davideagnello | not saying to do the check in the API process either, since that would slow it down | 18:43 |
| davideagnello | sputnik13: ok | 18:44 |
| sputnik13 | I mean some other monitoring suite that's being used to monitor the health of the box | 18:44 |
| sputnik13 | monasca for instance | 18:44 |
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| davideagnello | possibly when the api receives a request, it can spawn a monitor process which would do the work in parallel and terminate when finished | 18:44 |
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| sputnik13 | I think that makes things too complicated, the smarter you try to make one thing the more complex and error prone it will get | 18:45 |
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| sputnik13 | it's a relatively simple problem, if disk starts filling up, run a command to delete old records | 18:46 |
| davideagnello | simplicity in the design is key | 18:46 |
| davideagnello | pretty much | 18:46 |
| sputnik13 | there will be monitoring to do things similar to this, it's a very common problem with databases | 18:46 |
| davideagnello | ok | 18:47 |
| sputnik13 | what we need to do is provide a tool to safely delete records and provide documentation on how to do this | 18:47 |
| sputnik13 | if the operator wants to just always run it every 2 minutes they can issue the command via cron as well | 18:47 |
| sputnik13 | but if we try to make an intelligent service that runs this for them it'll get complicated pretty fast | 18:48 |
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| davideagnello | it would make sense to have such process run on it's own, in a scheduler | 18:49 |
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| sputnik13 | I think that's an operator decision that we don't need to make for them | 18:51 |
| sputnik13 | whether it's a scheduler or some monitoring process or manual shouldn't matter | 18:51 |
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| davideagnello | ok, it should be documented then | 18:51 |
| sputnik13 | yes | 18:51 |
| sputnik13 | are we good with this bug? we're almost at the top of the hour | 18:52 |
| davideagnello | yup, it should be addressed soon | 18:52 |
| dkalleg | yup | 18:53 |
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| sputnik13 | cool, any other things to discuss? | 18:55 |
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| davideagnello | that's all from me | 18:55 |
| sputnik13 | alright I'm calling it... | 18:56 |
| sputnik13 | going once | 18:56 |
| sputnik13 | going twice.... | 18:56 |
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| sputnik13 | #endmeeting | 18:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 10 18:56:24 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cue/2015/cue.2015-11-10-18.11.html | 18:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cue/2015/cue.2015-11-10-18.11.txt | 18:56 |
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| gibi | Hi! Do we have people around for the nova subteam meeting? | 20:00 |
| gibi | nova notification subteam I mean | 20:00 |
| gibi | #startmeeting nova notification | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 10 20:00:38 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gibi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova notification)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_notification' | 20:00 |
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| gibi | then let's wait couple of minutes.. | 20:02 |
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| gibi | belliott, mariojv, andrearosa, rlrossit: ping | 20:03 |
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| rlrossit | gibi: just got here. Sorry, calendar isn't working :/ | 20:03 |
| gibi | rlrossit: hello, no problem :) | 20:03 |
| gibi | I guess we still have to wait couple of minutes | 20:04 |
| gibi | maybe others will show up as well | 20:04 |
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| gibi | ok, I guess we start as I dont want to steal your time waiting | 20:07 |
| gibi | so welcome on the first ever nova notification subteam meeting | 20:07 |
| edleafe | lurking here and in the TC meeting | 20:07 |
| gibi | edleafe: hello :) | 20:07 |
| rlrossit | glad to be here! | 20:07 |
| gibi | #topic Agree on the mission and the tasks of the team | 20:07 |
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| gibi | so I set up a wiki for the subteam | 20:07 |
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| gibi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaNotification | 20:08 |
| gibi | and I wrote a small mission statement there | 20:08 |
| gibi | The mission of the team is transform nova notifications API to a first class nova API which is stable, well documented and easy to consume. | 20:08 |
| gibi | any comments, suggestion? | 20:08 |
| rlrossit | +1 | 20:08 |
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| gibi | great :) | 20:08 |
| edleafe | sounds good | 20:09 |
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| gibi | regarding tasks I also put a list on the wiki | 20:09 |
| gibi | Review of notification related blueprints / nova-specs | 20:09 |
| gibi | Triage incoming notification related bug reports | 20:09 |
| gibi | Tracking of progress / resolving roadblocks in development / reviews | 20:09 |
| gibi | these are quite generic things | 20:10 |
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| rlrossit | which, to be honest, is alright at this point I think | 20:10 |
| gibi | I think we will refine it along the way | 20:10 |
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| rlrossit | yup | 20:10 |
| gibi | this leads to the second topic today | 20:11 |
| gibi | #topic Status of the outstanding specs | 20:11 |
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| gibi | so we have a section in the mitaka tracking etherpad | 20:11 |
| gibi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking | 20:11 |
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| gibi | around line 159 | 20:11 |
| gibi | currently listing the two specs that are up on review | 20:12 |
| gibi | I suggest to use this etherpad to track the actual work | 20:12 |
| gibi | specs, bps, reviews, bugs, etc. | 20:13 |
| gibi | so we have two specs at the moment | 20:13 |
| gibi | Versioned Notification API | 20:13 |
| gibi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224755/ | 20:13 |
| gibi | this has a +2 already from johnthetubaguy | 20:14 |
| rlrossit | I still need to take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182350/ | 20:14 |
| gibi | yes, the other one is Add notification for service status change | 20:14 |
| gibi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182350/ | 20:14 |
| gibi | basically it is a new small notification which will already use the format descibed in the former spec | 20:15 |
| gibi | I don't see any roadblocks in these two specs so I will push for the merge alter this week | 20:15 |
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| gibi | rlrossit: just find me if you have questions | 20:16 |
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| gibi | I'm plannig to start the implementation of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182350/ soon and that will serve as an example for the future as well | 20:17 |
| gibi | I'm planning to push a WIP patch this week or maybe beginning of next week | 20:18 |
| rlrossit | stick me on as a reviewer if I don't see it come by | 20:18 |
| gibi | rlrossit: will do, thanks! | 20:18 |
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| edleafe | me too | 20:18 |
| gibi | edleafe: great, thanks! | 20:18 |
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| gibi | basically that is my short term plan | 20:19 |
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| gibi | as soon as we have some example implementation agreed we can branch out and do some parallel work if you have time | 20:20 |
| gibi | I'm more or less 100% allocated my time for it for the cycle | 20:20 |
| gibi | any question regarding the way forward? | 20:21 |
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| rlrossit | I think after you get the first patch up we can decide more direction as to smaller work items for me/us to work on | 20:21 |
| gibi | rlrossit: agree | 20:21 |
| gibi | rlrossit: I will publish my first as soon as I have something that does not crash :) | 20:22 |
| gibi | so we can start discussing | 20:22 |
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| rlrossit | sounds good! | 20:22 |
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| gibi | anything else regarding the current specs? | 20:23 |
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| rlrossit | nope. I'll take a look at the one I haven't reviewed yet, and I'll probably let you know if I see anything important in the nova channel | 20:24 |
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| gibi | great, thanks! | 20:24 |
| gibi | then | 20:24 |
| gibi | #topic Open Discussion | 20:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: nova notification)" | 20:24 | |
| gibi | anything in general around notifications? | 20:25 |
| gibi | or around the subteam work | 20:25 |
| rlrossit | just want to let you know that pretty much all of my work in Nova so far as been arount objects and o.vo, so if you have any questions/concerns about that, I'm your guy | 20:25 |
| rlrossit | (which is partly why I picked to join this subteam) | 20:26 |
| rlrossit | s/partly/mostly/ | 20:26 |
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| gibi | good to know that. I guess I will have questions as soon as I start typing up the first patch | 20:26 |
| gibi | I will catch you on #openstack-nova with my questions :) | 20:26 |
| rlrossit | certainly | 20:27 |
| rlrossit | that's all I had | 20:27 |
| gibi | thanks | 20:27 |
| gibi | I don't have anything else too | 20:27 |
| edleafe | I don't have anything to add. Just glad to see this being done! | 20:27 |
| rlrossit | hopefully this meeting is more popular next time :) | 20:27 |
| gibi | edleafe: :) | 20:27 |
| gibi | rlrossit: I hope the same :) | 20:27 |
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| gibi | so I think we can close this meeting early | 20:28 |
| gibi | thank your for joining! | 20:28 |
| gibi | #endmeeting | 20:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:28 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 10 20:28:31 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_notification/2015/nova_notification.2015-11-10-20.00.html | 20:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_notification/2015/nova_notification.2015-11-10-20.00.txt | 20:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_notification/2015/nova_notification.2015-11-10-20.00.log.html | 20:28 |
| gibi | happy coding and see you around :) | 20:28 |
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