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| Liuqing | #startmeeting | 13:11 |
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| openstack | Liuqing: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 13:11 |
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| Liuqing | #startmeeting | 13:11 |
| openstack | Liuqing: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 13:11 |
| Liuqing | #startmeeting Evoque | 13:11 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 11 13:11:17 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Liuqing. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:11 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Evoque)" | 13:11 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'evoque' | 13:11 |
| Liuqing | hello guys, the meeting agenda:https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Evoque/Meetings#Agenda_.282015-11-11_1300_UTC.29 | 13:11 |
| gongysh | helo | 13:11 |
| Liuqing | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Evoque/Meetings#Agenda_.282015-11-11_1300_UTC.29 | 13:11 |
| Liuqing | #topic Doc / api-site | 13:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Doc / api-site (Meeting topic: Evoque)" | 13:12 | |
| Liuqing | now we have develop evoque a lot but no doc for the project | 13:12 |
| Liuqing | any idea? | 13:12 |
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| gongysh | just put a bug and start the work | 13:13 |
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| Liuqing | OK | 13:13 |
| Liuqing | but who will do the document job? | 13:14 |
| Liuqing | or we could document ecoque after release 0.0.1 | 13:14 |
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| sin1 | I think we should document first | 13:15 |
| Liuqing | #action Add evoque docs after release 0.0.1 | 13:15 |
| zhurong | I think we should finish the devstack plugin and the manual insall guide should have | 13:15 |
| sin1 | not develop | 13:15 |
| Liuqing | some README firstly, OK? | 13:15 |
| Liuqing | next topic? | 13:16 |
| Liuqing | #topic unit&functional test | 13:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "unit&functional test (Meeting topic: Evoque)" | 13:16 | |
| Liuqing | now we are starting the test job , | 13:17 |
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| Liuqing | and we should do the work if the project want to be official. | 13:17 |
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| zhurong | agree | 13:18 |
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| sin1 | we should test the code no mater it's officical or not | 13:18 |
| Liuqing | #action liuqing will add the unit/functional test framework for DB/API/RPC | 13:19 |
| gongysh | function test and unit test are must | 13:19 |
| Liuqing | sin1: you're right | 13:19 |
| sin1 | and python-client | 13:19 |
| gongysh | what's about the devstack plugin, does it work now? | 13:19 |
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| Liuqing | and evoque-dashboard | 13:19 |
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| sin1 | we have dashboard? | 13:20 |
| zhurong | of course | 13:20 |
| Liuqing | gongysh, we'll add devstack plugin after 0.0.1 | 13:20 |
| gongysh | what does the 0.0.1 contain? | 13:20 |
| Liuqing | just before 0.0.1 | 13:20 |
| Liuqing | version 0.0.1 will contain normal ticket with out any context | 13:21 |
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| Liuqing | and the ticket will contact with some workflow user defined . | 13:21 |
| Liuqing | 0.1.0 will support nova instance workflow | 13:22 |
| Liuqing | and has a wonderful dashboard for evoque | 13:22 |
| gongysh | 0.0.1 should contain the function and units tests, and devstack plugin | 13:22 |
| sin1 | Didn't you write a note about that what will contain in version 0.0.1? Liuqing | 13:22 |
| gongysh | I mean it can stand up. | 13:22 |
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| Liuqing | gongysh: of course | 13:23 |
| sin1 | I remember you did it. | 13:23 |
| Liuqing | #link roadmap : https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Evoque/Roadmap | 13:24 |
| zhurong | we already have the road map | 13:24 |
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| gongysh | seems great. | 13:25 |
| gongysh | I am waiting for the devstack to run evoque. | 13:25 |
| Liuqing | we have a sex team | 13:25 |
| Liuqing | :::---) | 13:25 |
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| gongysh | Liuqing, sex team? | 13:25 |
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| Liuqing | s/sex/sexy/ | 13:26 |
| sin1 | sexy | 13:26 |
| Liuqing | so we move to next topic | 13:26 |
| Liuqing | #topic evoque-dashboard | 13:26 |
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| Liuqing | #info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243388/ | 13:26 |
| Liuqing | now the dashboard project had approved just now | 13:27 |
| Liuqing | i can dance in the dashboard project | 13:27 |
| Liuqing | (:) | 13:27 |
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| gongysh | why not register it under evoque? | 13:28 |
| zhurong | a plugin in horizon? | 13:28 |
| gongysh | I think projects can be organized in some kind of group? | 13:28 |
| Liuqing | gongysh, well , i forget that | 13:29 |
| Liuqing | later i will group them | 13:29 |
| Liuqing | gongysh, we need more talents.. | 13:29 |
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| gongysh | #action, Liuqing to group evoque-dashboard under evoque | 13:30 |
| gongysh | :) | 13:30 |
| Liuqing | so any thoughts for evoque-dashboard? | 13:31 |
| Liuqing | or we'll go to the next topic. | 13:31 |
| Liuqing | #topic official project | 13:31 |
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| Liuqing | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/235172/ | 13:32 |
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| Liuqing | senlin patch for official openstack project | 13:32 |
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| Liuqing | some tc's suggestion.. | 13:33 |
| Liuqing | like dev mail list | 13:33 |
| gongysh | are you waiting for some stuff from evoque, qvoque-dashboard, evoque-client, and then promote a similar patch? | 13:33 |
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| Liuqing | yes | 13:34 |
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| Liuqing | at least 0.01 | 13:34 |
| gongysh | yes, we can wait after that. | 13:34 |
| gongysh | but according to the CI doc, we can do it when we start a project. | 13:34 |
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| Liuqing | emm..could we try post one proposal patch? | 13:35 |
| Liuqing | gongysh: | 13:36 |
| gongysh | yes, just do it. | 13:36 |
| zhurong | come on! | 13:36 |
| sin1 | move on | 13:36 |
| Liuqing | OK, and i think we have to know the project scope | 13:37 |
| Liuqing | maybe as part of ITIL/ITSM | 13:37 |
| Liuqing | #open discussions | 13:38 |
| gongysh | We must have a fancy idea behind our model and use cases. | 13:39 |
| gongysh | ITIL/ITSM is a direction | 13:39 |
| Liuqing | yep | 13:40 |
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| Liuqing | #info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/239668/ | 13:40 |
| Liuqing | look this | 13:40 |
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| gongysh | for what? | 13:42 |
| Liuqing | #info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225201/ | 13:42 |
| Liuqing | the patch is for cloudkitty | 13:42 |
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| Liuqing | not easy to be one official project , | 13:44 |
| Liuqing | we need more hard work now ,gongysh | 13:44 |
| gongysh | sure | 13:45 |
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| Liuqing | #endmeeting | 13:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:46 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 11 13:46:29 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/evoque/2015/evoque.2015-11-11-13.11.html | 13:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/evoque/2015/evoque.2015-11-11-13.11.txt | 13:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/evoque/2015/evoque.2015-11-11-13.11.log.html | 13:46 |
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| sgordon | #startmeeting telcowg | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 11 14:00:17 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sgordon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'telcowg' | 14:00 |
| sgordon | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda | 14:00 |
| sgordon | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
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| sgordon | let's see how optimistic it is holding a meeting in the middle of opnfv summit | 14:00 |
| sgordon | who is up and about for the telco working group meeting | 14:00 |
| * sgordon will give it a few mins | 14:01 | |
| tvvcox | +1 | 14:01 |
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| sgordon | hi cloudon | 14:01 |
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| sgordon | just waiting to see if we get any more folks | 14:02 |
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| sgordon | will start in ~ a min | 14:02 |
| sgordon | #topic OpenStack Summit working session readout | 14:03 |
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| sgordon | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TYO-telcowg | 14:03 |
| cloudon | hi there | 14:03 |
| sgordon | so we met at openstack summit and broke into groups to discuss primarily: | 14:04 |
| sgordon | #info Session Border Controller | 14:04 |
| sgordon | #info Adding BGP based IP VPNs attachment use case | 14:04 |
| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/171680 | 14:04 |
| sgordon | or at least those are the items we have links for ;) | 14:04 |
| sgordon | links/notes | 14:04 |
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| sgordon | cloudon, did you get any useful feedback out of the SBC discussion that influences the use case at all? | 14:05 |
| sgordon | i think the primary gripe i heard was what do we mean by high performance | 14:06 |
| cloudon | Some useful discussion, but not I think any that fundamentally changes the use case - at least that was my take | 14:06 |
| sgordon | right fair enough | 14:06 |
| cloudon | yes on high perf gripe, but didn't hear any feasible counter-proposal... | 14:07 |
| sgordon | for BGP i think it was roundly similar | 14:07 |
| sgordon | in that there is a proposal up | 14:07 |
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| cloudon | ...somehow combining network streams simply doesn;t fly | 14:07 |
| sgordon | :) | 14:07 |
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| sgordon | #topic Virtual IMS core Complex soft (anti-)affinity policies status | 14:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Virtual IMS core Complex soft (anti-)affinity policies status (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 14:08 | |
| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224325/ | 14:08 |
| sgordon | so a spanner in the works | 14:08 |
| cloudon | go on... | 14:08 |
| sgordon | i noticed john had commented on this | 14:09 |
| sgordon | "The backlog is not proving as useful as we had hoped, I think we need to look for a better place to record these ideas. Happy to work though that with you." | 14:09 |
| sgordon | so as the second person to try and file a backlog spec afaict | 14:09 |
| sgordon | that hasnt really worked out | 14:09 |
| sgordon | (as a place for recording use cases/ideas) | 14:09 |
| sgordon | so i'll need to take that to the mailing list | 14:09 |
| cloudon | is there a counter-suggestion? | 14:09 |
| sgordon | not yet | 14:10 |
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| sgordon | #action sgordon to take future of backlog for nova to the -dev list | 14:10 |
| sgordon | so some discussion required | 14:10 |
| cloudon | ok - pls let me know if I can help | 14:10 |
| sgordon | i am not sure if RFE bugs in neutron are faring better? | 14:10 |
| cloudon | Not noticeably... | 14:11 |
| sgordon | right | 14:11 |
| cloudon | ...sat in on two of the weekly neutron driver meetings... | 14:11 |
| sgordon | perhaps feeding into the other item on my agenda... | 14:11 |
| sgordon | oh yes? | 14:11 |
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| cloudon | First one got as far as discussing current RFEs then wrapped up 30 mins early without looking at new ones... | 14:11 |
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| sgordon | second one? | 14:12 |
| cloudon | Second slot was the post-summit one but no-one was there (though I may have screwed up DST) | 14:12 |
| cloudon | And I couldn't make yesterday's unfortunately | 14:12 |
| sgordon | yeah last week was a bit of a crapshoot for that | 14:12 |
| sgordon | #topic Future approach | 14:12 |
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| cloudon | But the status has been changed in a way I'm not sure is positive - let me just check exactly | 14:12 |
| sgordon | #info Number of cores taking other roles and stepping down. | 14:13 |
| sgordon | #info Lack of quorum (core is now Steve, Daniel, Yuriy once Anthony steps away) | 14:13 |
| sgordon | #info Consider pushing use cases into openstack-userstories via product working group | 14:13 |
| sgordon | #info Feedback that service providers still want an interface to the community - need to determine if this is it in current form, or should be realigned with the user committee | 14:13 |
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| cloudon | And get more involvement from OPNFV... | 14:14 |
| sgordon | yes | 14:14 |
| cloudon | My takeaway from summit was lots of interest in OPNFV... | 14:14 |
| sgordon | though some of the service provider feedback is that they dont actually want to engage with opnfv | 14:14 |
| sgordon | but anyway.... | 14:14 |
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| cloudon | ...but lots of questions from floor along the lines of "do you know that OpenStack project X is diong Y?" with answer "no" | 14:14 |
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| sgordon | i am still not sure if that is something that will change with time or not | 14:15 |
| sgordon | right | 14:15 |
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| sgordon | so i am not clear right now on whether we continue to try and meet like this or not | 14:15 |
| sgordon | but i do think moving into the user-stories repo would make sense | 14:16 |
| cloudon | Agreed. Very lonely in here at the moment, despit the numbers turning up for the session | 14:16 |
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| cloudon | What's the remit of the userstories rep as part of the product working group? | 14:17 |
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| sgordon | pretty similar to this in many ways | 14:18 |
| sgordon | let me grab the 'blurb' | 14:18 |
| sgordon | We will support the OpenStack developer community in their desire to build open-source cloud software that reflects the needs of the various markets adopting the platform by creating user stories that reflect the voice of the end-users/operators. These user stories will focus on items that have traditionally been harder to implement based on the need for cross-project coordination and significant development time (spanning multiple releases | 14:19 |
| sgordon | ). Finally, the team will also focus on sharing regular updates on directional insights for the platform (gathered from key members from the development community) in the form of a multi-release roadmap. The ultimate mission is to create a focus on areas that are high-impact and remove barriers to adoption/operation/scale of OpenStack clouds. | 14:19 |
| sgordon | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam | 14:19 |
| cloudon | Very laudable but clause on cross-project co-ord etc. sounds like it's focussed on big-ticket items... | 14:20 |
| sgordon | yeahhh | 14:20 |
| cloudon | Views on it as a tool to get specific small-ish changes through such as the anti-affinity? | 14:20 |
| sgordon | examples are here: | 14:20 |
| sgordon | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/openstack-user-stories/tree/user-stories/draft | 14:20 |
| sgordon | well, i think anti-affinity is one small part of a large user story | 14:21 |
| sgordon | if that makes sense? | 14:21 |
| sgordon | i do need to broach this with the product wg | 14:21 |
| sgordon | and there is also some discussion about whether the user committee might be the right place for that direct CSP engagement | 14:22 |
| sgordon | allowing us perhaps to focus more on the opnfv side... | 14:22 |
| sgordon | (and technical in general) | 14:22 |
| cloudon | Agreed - but in that case I think the large story is "user <X> wants to run highly reliable N+k apps" for lots of X - and there's relatively little missing | 14:22 |
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| sgordon | yeah | 14:24 |
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| cloudon | I think we probably have needs at multiple levels... | 14:24 |
| sgordon | tbh for that specific example i think it's a matter of having that info in front of the nova folks for if/when server groups gets reworked | 14:24 |
| sgordon | but i do wonder if there are also e.g. cinder implications we havent really considered | 14:25 |
| sgordon | (at least so far) | 14:25 |
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| cloudon | Looking at NFV as a whole and asking "what gaps do we have that make OpenStack currently unsuitable?", there are some big pieces missing (e.g. orchn) which the OPNFV folks tend to be looking at, plus some relatively-speaking very detailed things (anti-affinity, NUMA, DPDK OVS etc.) | 14:26 |
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| sgordon | cloudon, i thought orchestration was actually out of scope for opnfv | 14:26 |
| cloudon | Not sure a single process is suitable for both | 14:26 |
| sgordon | or has that changed | 14:26 |
| sgordon | (at least for now) | 14:26 |
| cloudon | Well, MANO was out of scope, then tacker started... | 14:26 |
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| cloudon | You're right on cinder, I think - general issue to do with having matching (anti)affinity at compute and storage levels - also crops up in my "efficiently running NoSQL" use case | 14:27 |
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| cloudon | The advantage of this group from my perspective is that it allowed for people without existing project standing to propose realtively small tweaks and get help explaining and justifying them | 14:29 |
| wznoinsk | hi sgordon cloudon, i'm only new to the MANO in openstack subject but as far as I can say the IETF ISG NFV diagram everbody (probably) knows doesn't imply MANO component has to be separate from the other components (like VIM) - Tacker, firstly not anticipated MANO in Openstack, may work well if done well | 14:29 |
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| sgordon | im not saying it has to be separate so much as has been out of scope of say opnfv | 14:30 |
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| sgordon | i know tacker exists but is that opnfv driven, or something that folks who happen to also be in opnfv drove | 14:30 |
| cloudon | Hi wznoinsk - correct on the NFV picture, but when OPNFV started up they drew a ring around the NFVI and said "that's us" | 14:30 |
| wznoinsk | cloudon: btw. NUMA and DPDK OVS are working in Openstack, unless you have some specific example which may not be covered yet | 14:30 |
| sgordon | because orchestration wasnt in scope of opnfv | 14:30 |
| sgordon | it was actually one of the biggest complaints in paris from some in the room that orchestration wasnt in scope for opnfv at the time | 14:31 |
| wznoinsk | sgordon: I see | 14:31 |
| sgordon | wznoinsk, plenty of work to do wrt NUMA yet | 14:31 |
| sgordon | e.g ok we have SR-IOV numa locality | 14:31 |
| sgordon | what about vswitch locality | 14:31 |
| cloudon | Bit hazy on the timeline, but I think tacker started in OPNFV, has transitioned to OpenStack but is now largely driven by OPNFV folk stil | 14:31 |
| wznoinsk | cloudon: that's what I think as well, it doesn't necessary mean a bad thing I guess, maybe even a good one if it comes to adoption (it's backed by OPNFV so some may like it more) | 14:32 |
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| wznoinsk | sgordon: do you mean having ovs+dpdk on the same numa node as dpdk's pmd or else? | 14:34 |
| sgordon | same node as the guest | 14:34 |
| sgordon | also thread policy isnt done yet either for that matter | 14:34 |
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| wznoinsk | isn't it a scalability issue if you have 8 numa nodes? I guess you mean the 'preferred' rather than 'strict' | 14:36 |
| cloudon | Agreed. Broader point though IMO is that for bigger higher-up-the-stack gaps like orchn mechanisms exist for people to launch whole new projects if necessary; doesn't apply to getting the small but necessary changes through existing projects | 14:36 |
| sgordon | wznoinsk, why 8 | 14:36 |
| cloudon | i.e. mechanisms exist for those, it's raelly how best to grease the wheels | 14:36 |
| wznoinsk | sgordon: I think the cpu thread policy which is in review (didn't make it in Liberty) is a prereq for that? | 14:36 |
| sgordon | wznoinsk, same problem exists with any number > 1 | 14:36 |
| wznoinsk | sgordon: I think there are platform that could have that many numa nodes, IBMs I think - I'll try to find exactly what it was | 14:38 |
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| wznoinsk | sgordon: yes, with > 1 too, I never thought about vswitch <> numa locality, interesting | 14:39 |
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| sgordon | it's only really come up recently | 14:40 |
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| sgordon | once people started testing more ;) | 14:40 |
| sgordon | i dont really have a proposed solution for that :) | 14:40 |
| cloudon | apologies - fire alarm here... | 14:40 |
| sgordon | np | 14:40 |
| sgordon | im going to call it for now | 14:40 |
| sgordon | i think we will need to continue this discussion though | 14:40 |
| sgordon | i am also interested in daniel schab's thoughts as the other remaining core | 14:40 |
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| wznoinsk | sgordon: I'm interested in that as well, a bit concerned about the rest of the guests on the other numas | 14:41 |
| sgordon | right | 14:42 |
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| sgordon | you cant give everyone vswitch locality | 14:43 |
| sgordon | (not without leaving capacity on the table anyway) | 14:43 |
| sgordon | anyway, i will close the meeting for now | 14:43 |
| sgordon | i am interested to hear what comes out of both opnfv summit and the user committee discussions going on atm to help guide where we go from here | 14:43 |
| sgordon | #endmeeting | 14:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 11 14:44:01 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-11-11-14.00.html | 14:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-11-11-14.00.txt | 14:44 |
| sgordon | thanks for your time | 14:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-11-11-14.00.log.html | 14:44 |
| wznoinsk | thanks | 14:44 |
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| Swami | hi | 14:58 |
| stephen-ma | hi | 14:59 |
| obondarev_ | o/ | 14:59 |
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| edbak | hi | 14:59 |
| Swami | haleyb mentioned that he might be joining late | 14:59 |
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| Swami | #startmeeting neutron_dvr | 15:00 |
| regXboi | in all seriousness, I'll be a bit distracted during the front end of the call | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 11 15:00:08 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Swami. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_dvr' | 15:00 |
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| Swami | #topic announcement | 15:00 |
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| Swami | Do we have anything to share with the team. | 15:00 |
| regXboi | just for the minutes, link to the agenda? | 15:00 |
| Swami | The gate was broken yesterday, is it stable now. | 15:01 |
| Swami | regXboi: sure thanks | 15:01 |
| Swami | The agenda for todays meeting can be seein in the following link | 15:01 |
| regXboi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-DVR agenda link for today's meeting | 15:01 |
| Swami | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-DVR | 15:01 |
| regXboi | heh - sorry about that | 15:01 |
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| Swami | regXboi: you are faster than me | 15:02 |
| regXboi | too much IRC meeting | 15:02 |
| Swami | haleyb will be joining late today, so I will be running this meeting today. | 15:02 |
| Swami | Now let us move on | 15:02 |
| Swami | #topic Bugs | 15:03 |
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| Swami | regXboi: Thanks you have added a list of bugs for todays discussion, let me know if I miss anything. | 15:03 |
| Swami | The first on the list is | 15:03 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1372141 | 15:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1372141 in neutron "StaleDataError while updating ml2_dvr_port_bindings" [Medium,Confirmed] | 15:04 |
| regXboi | will do | 15:04 |
| Swami | regXboi: You have mentioned that this is no more seen for the last seven days in the gate. | 15:04 |
| regXboi | yes - let me double check that as of today | 15:04 |
| Swami | regXboi: we should probably wait for another week and then close if not seen | 15:05 |
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| Swami | The next bug in the list is | 15:06 |
| regXboi | yes - I see 37 hits in logstash and none of them are from DVR - and I'm good waiting another week | 15:06 |
| Swami | ok lets move on. | 15:06 |
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| Swami | that is good news that it is not seen against DVR. | 15:06 |
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| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1456624 | 15:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1456624 in neutron "DVR Connection to external network lost when associating a floating IP" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to venkata anil (anil-venkata) | 15:06 |
| Swami | regXboi: you had a note in there to make sure if this is really a bug. | 15:07 |
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| regXboi | My problem is that I'm not convinced this is a bug - I think this is expected behavior | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | I think I agree. I've been thinking about it and haven't changed my mind. | 15:08 |
| Swami | The bug states that while pinging through the snat, when FIP is applied the ping hangs and then resumes if we reping. I am not sure either. If this is the same behavior as the centralized router, then we can close it. But in the case of centralized router if it behaves different, then we should pay attention to it. | 15:08 |
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| Swami | carl_baldwin: so what is your thought right now | 15:09 |
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| carl_baldwin | It does behave differently. But, the fix is very painful. | 15:09 |
| carl_baldwin | Maybe we could propose a fix which makes centralized behave the same. ;) | 15:10 |
| obondarev_ | carl_baldwin: nice! :-) | 15:10 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: +1 | 15:10 |
| regXboi | um | 15:10 |
| regXboi | I'm not sure how that would work | 15:10 |
| regXboi | but that now sounds like an rfe | 15:10 |
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| carl_baldwin | Just a conntrack kill of existing traffic | 15:11 |
| Swami | ok let us tag it as opinion. | 15:11 |
| * regXboi has to think about that idea | 15:11 | |
| * regXboi notes "that idea" = "conntrack kill" | 15:11 | |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: I think for now we can document this behavior so that we have captured it and then move on and focus on other issues. | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | I still don't like the proposed cure. Very complicated | 15:12 |
| regXboi | I'd say let's go opinion and revisit in it bit | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: +1 | 15:12 |
| Swami | is everyone ok with this proposal, if so we can move on. | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | regXboi: +1 too | 15:13 |
| Swami | ok, moving on to the next one. | 15:13 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1458541 | 15:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1458541 in neutron "Decomposite DVR router compute node and network node functionallity to two classes" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Ryan Moats (rmoats) | 15:13 |
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| Swami | I hope it says that we will wait until the binding refactoring. So nothing more to add on this item. | 15:14 |
| regXboi | this is on hold for the rebinding | 15:14 |
| regXboi | yes | 15:14 |
| Swami | regXboi: do you want to add anything to it. | 15:14 |
| regXboi | nope that's up to date | 15:14 |
| Swami | moving on to the next one. | 15:14 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1510796 | 15:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1510796 in neutron "Function sync_routers always call _get_dvr_sync_data in ha scenario" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to ZongKai LI (lzklibj) | 15:14 |
| Swami | There is a already a patch set for this bug. | 15:15 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/239908/ | 15:15 |
| regXboi | yes there is | 15:15 |
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| Swami | Ok this might require more reviews | 15:16 |
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| Swami | Anything else to add to this bug. | 15:16 |
| regXboi | nope | 15:17 |
| Swami | regXboi: ok | 15:17 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1513678 | 15:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1513678 in neutron "At scale router scheduling takes a long time with DVR routers with multiple compute nodes hosting thousands of VMs" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan) | 15:17 |
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| Swami | I had two patches (WIP) on this bug. | 15:18 |
| Swami | But I got review comments from carl_baldwin and obondarev_ that one of the patch may be addressed after the scheduler refactor. | 15:18 |
| obondarev_ | Swami: your point about backporting it sounds reasonable to me | 15:19 |
| obondarev_ | so I’m ok with both | 15:19 |
| Swami | obondarev_: meaning addressing this bug on liberty and kilo rather in the master. | 15:19 |
| obondarev_ | Swami: we need to merge it in master first before backporting I guess | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | obondarev_: +1 | 15:20 |
| regXboi | yes, that's the process | 15:20 |
| Swami | obondarev_: ok, so you are good moving forward with these two patches. | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | I'm good with both once they're in shape. | 15:20 |
| obondarev_ | Swami: yep | 15:20 |
| Swami | ok, no worries, then let us move on. Thanks | 15:21 |
| Swami | next one | 15:21 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1513574 | 15:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1513574 in neutron "firewall rules on DVR FIP fails to work for ingress traffic" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 15:21 |
| Swami | This one was filed recently and the bug is confirmed. | 15:21 |
| regXboi | I saw the spec for FWaaS 2.0, which I agree should address this | 15:22 |
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| Swami | So we will not fixing this bug right now and will wait for the FWaaS 2.0 and once the rules are applied to ports, this should solve the problem. | 15:22 |
| Swami | I will update sc68cal on this in the FWaaS meeting. | 15:23 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1362242 | 15:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1362242 in neutron "bridge_mappings isn't bound to any segment warning from l2pop" [Low,Confirmed] - Assigned to Irena Berezovsky (irenab) | 15:23 |
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| Swami | I have not seen any patch to this bug and it is there for a while. Since the priority is not higher I have not payed attention to this bug. | 15:24 |
| regXboi | yes, I'm trying to clean up some of the lower priority cruft today - I'd like to see if somebody is willing to pick this up | 15:25 |
| Swami | We need to see if this is still seen in the master. This bug was reported long back. | 15:25 |
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| carl_baldwin | I can look at this a bit. I honestly don't remember filing it. | 15:25 |
| regXboi | oh - that I can update - yes it is - I looked yesterday | 15:25 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: thanks | 15:26 |
| Swami | Ok, let us move on. | 15:26 |
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| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1447227 | 15:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1447227 in neutron "Connecting two or more distributed routers to a subnet doesn't work properly" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to ZongKai LI (lzklibj) | 15:26 |
| Swami | I don't think we have a patch for this bug as well. | 15:27 |
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| Swami | Sorry there was a patch and it was abandoned a while back | 15:28 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191671/ | 15:28 |
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| carl_baldwin | auto-abandoned | 15:28 |
| Swami | I am not sure if ZongKai Li is still pursuing this patch. | 15:28 |
| regXboi | swami: can you follow up to see? | 15:28 |
| regXboi | that was the AI I wanted | 15:28 |
| Swami | Ok I will check with ZongKai Li on this. | 15:28 |
| regXboi | note: me updated https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1362242 with logstash information | 15:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1362242 in neutron "bridge_mappings isn't bound to any segment warning from l2pop" [Low,Confirmed] - Assigned to Irena Berezovsky (irenab) | 15:29 |
| Swami | ok let us move on. | 15:29 |
| Swami | we are half way, we need to move on | 15:29 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1445255 | 15:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1445255 in neutron "DVR FloatingIP to unbound port does not work" [Low,In progress] | 15:29 |
| Swami | Yes there is a patch on this bug but it inactive or abandon. | 15:30 |
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| regXboi | well, there is a reference from obondarev to a merged patch, so I was wondering if this is still an issue | 15:30 |
| obondarev_ | I thought it was fixed a while ago | 15:30 |
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| carl_baldwin | What exactly is an unbound port here? | 15:31 |
| Swami | This issue might have been fixed, since we do have a way to address floatingip on bound ports once it is bound to a host. | 15:31 |
| carl_baldwin | nm, answered my owned question by reading the bug. | 15:31 |
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| regXboi | can somebody take the AI of verifying if this still exists? | 15:31 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: When a port does not have a host_binding and if that port is associated with a FIP> | 15:31 |
| Swami | I think we addressed this bug by supporting late-binding to the FIP. This should be solved by now | 15:32 |
| Swami | I will update the bug. | 15:32 |
| regXboi | thx | 15:32 |
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| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1452458 | 15:32 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1452458 in neutron "Server returns error 500 when setting a DVR router as a gateway on a network with no subnet, and then adding an interface" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Nikhil AP (niks3089) | 15:32 |
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| Swami | I have not seen any patch on this bug yet. | 15:33 |
| regXboi | no, the question is to find out if the assignee is working on one | 15:33 |
| Swami | I did not see any activity. | 15:34 |
| Swami | If not we will find a new owner. | 15:34 |
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| Swami | I will ask either adolfo or ritesh to take a look at it. | 15:34 |
| Swami | Let us move on. | 15:34 |
| regXboi | I can take the AI of verifying that it still exists | 15:35 |
| regXboi | #action regXboi to verify https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1452458 | 15:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1452458 in neutron "Server returns error 500 when setting a DVR router as a gateway on a network with no subnet, and then adding an interface" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Nikhil AP (niks3089) | 15:35 |
| Swami | regXboi: thanks | 15:35 |
| Swami | The next one in the list is | 15:35 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1463831 | 15:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1463831 in neutron "neutron DVR poor performance" [Undecided,Incomplete] - Assigned to Adolfo Duarte (adolfo-duarte) | 15:35 |
| Swami | I did not see adolfo in here. | 15:35 |
| regXboi | we can follow up with him in channel | 15:36 |
| Swami | Ok, I will check with him and update the bug. | 15:36 |
| fitoduarte | I'm here | 15:36 |
| Swami | fitoduarte: hi | 15:36 |
| fitoduarte | this one is cause by the router staying very very quite:) | 15:36 |
| regXboi | quiet? | 15:37 |
| Swami | It seems that you are the owner on this bug. Is it still seen and valid bug. | 15:37 |
| fitoduarte | basically the open vs witch ages out the mac | 15:37 |
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| regXboi | I'm thinking we don't want that to ever happen, do we? | 15:38 |
| fitoduarte | it is seen, not sure how much impact it has. very corner case | 15:38 |
| fitoduarte | no we don't | 15:38 |
| Swami | but is that behavior different than the cvr in dvr | 15:38 |
| fitoduarte | it is in that yiu can come up with a rare case in which only happens for dvr. | 15:39 |
| Swami | fitoduarte: ok adolfo, the bug currently says incomplete, if you can update it with the right flag, that would work out. | 15:39 |
| fitoduarte | will do | 15:39 |
| Swami | ok, thanks we will move | 15:39 |
| regXboi | and I'm thinking Low/Wishlist as it *is* a corner case | 15:39 |
| Swami | regXboi: agree | 15:40 |
| Swami | The next one in the list | 15:40 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1496201 | 15:40 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1496201 in neutron "DVR: router namespace can't be deleted if bulk delete VMs" [Medium,New] - Assigned to Kasey Alusi (kasey-alusi) | 15:40 |
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| Swami | This one I have not triaged it but there is a owner already assigned. | 15:40 |
| regXboi | haleyb: we're still walking through the old/crufty bugs that had accumulated at the bottom of the list | 15:40 |
| haleyb | regXboi: thanks, trying to read s/b | 15:41 |
| regXboi | yes, this needs triage/verification | 15:41 |
| Swami | I will ping the owner and see if he has any patch set on it. | 15:41 |
| regXboi | thx | 15:41 |
| Swami | I will triage this. | 15:41 |
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| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1499045 | 15:41 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1499045 in neutron "get_snat_port_for_internal_port called twice when an interface is added or removed by the l3 agent in the case of DVR routers." [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan) | 15:41 |
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| regXboi | should we tag this low hanging fruit? | 15:42 |
| regXboi | it seems simple enough | 15:42 |
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| Swami | This is part of refactor one. I think carl_baldwin was not happy with this one. So let us close this bug. | 15:42 |
| regXboi | ok that works for me too :) | 15:42 |
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| Swami | regXboi: agreed | 15:42 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1505571 | 15:42 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1505571 in neutron "FIP disassociation takes longer in non DVR test scenario" [Undecided,Incomplete] - Assigned to Sonu (sonu-sudhakaran) | 15:42 |
| Swami | There are couple of Kilo related bugs. | 15:43 |
| Swami | Last week we discussed about the state of the Kilo related bugs, do we have any handle on it. | 15:43 |
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| regXboi | yes - and since we've decided to support kilo, these need review | 15:43 |
| Swami | are we going to fix it or only security related bug. | 15:43 |
| Swami | regXboi: Ok thanks | 15:43 |
| Swami | Since we only have 15 more minutes let us get into the other topics | 15:44 |
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| regXboi | so, folks - please look at the patchsets for the last two bugs in today's list | 15:44 |
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| Swami | #topic Gate_failures | 15:44 |
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| Swami | regXboi: Any updates on this | 15:44 |
| regXboi | the gate took a bad hit this week due to other issues | 15:45 |
| regXboi | so we can't really say anything | 15:45 |
| obondarev_ | both dvvr and non-dvr gates were broken | 15:45 |
| regXboi | oh yeah, multinode got hammered | 15:45 |
| Swami | I had a general question on the failures. | 15:45 |
| regXboi | so it was pretty much a lost week :( | 15:45 |
| Swami | The "SSHTimeout" failure, I was just doing some research on this. This failure is seen on both cvr and dvr | 15:46 |
| Swami | But the frequency of occurence with DVR is more. | 15:46 |
| regXboi | oy | 15:46 |
| Swami | We have talked about this earlier on how to attack this issue with tempest. | 15:46 |
| Swami | As a team what should we do to address this issue in the gate/tempest test to provide more reasonable error | 15:47 |
| regXboi | so I've been trying to replicate the race condition locally and I've not hit a success case *yet* | 15:47 |
| Swami | haleyb: you mentioned last week that we can get hold of the tempest core to discuss. | 15:48 |
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| Swami | regXboi: yes that is tough | 15:48 |
| regXboi | until I see an example, I'm loathe to fire blindly | 15:48 |
| carl_baldwin | regXboi: "success" as in see a failure? | 15:48 |
| haleyb | Swami: was this about somehow stopping things during failure to try and debug? | 15:48 |
| Swami | we need to invite the tempest folks to the dvr meeting to discuss a strategy. | 15:48 |
| regXboi | carl_baldwin: yes in this case "success" is seeing a test fail on SSHTimeout | 15:49 |
| Swami | haleyb: yes, that is one thing, the other one is how to improve the error report from the tempest test. | 15:49 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: haleyb: can we get some tempest cores attention on this issue. | 15:50 |
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| haleyb | Swami: is the bug # in the meeting notes? | 15:50 |
| Swami | haleyb: There is no specific bug to this, but it is related to general gate failures for DVR. | 15:50 |
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| carl_baldwin | Should it have a bug? Might be good to have something to center a discussion with them around. | 15:51 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: ok we can add a bug to track DVR gate failures. I will file one today. | 15:52 |
| haleyb | yes, we should create a bug with the output of the failure | 15:52 |
| Swami | will do. | 15:52 |
| Swami | anything else on the gate failures that the team wanted to discuss. If not we will move on | 15:52 |
| Swami | #topic Performance_scalability | 15:52 |
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| Swami | obondarev_: are you still there. | 15:53 |
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| obondarev_ | yep | 15:53 |
| Swami | any update | 15:53 |
| obondarev_ | I guess next step in scalability improvement should be binding refactoring | 15:53 |
| obondarev_ | didn’t have a chance to get scale lab for my tests this week | 15:54 |
| obondarev_ | should grab it next week and do some verification | 15:54 |
| regXboi | I've started an etherpad page: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/hyper-scale | 15:54 |
| Swami | obondarev_: ok thanks | 15:54 |
| Swami | regXboi: yes thanks for the link | 15:54 |
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| Swami | obondarev_: Thanks for the update. | 15:56 |
| Swami | we do have 5 more minutes. | 15:56 |
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| obondarev_ | Swami: your patches for scheduling optimization should help scalability as well | 15:56 |
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| Swami | obondarev_: yes that would. | 15:56 |
| Swami | #topic open_discussion | 15:57 |
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| regXboi | Swami: let's add those as links to the agenda so that people can review | 15:57 |
| Swami | regXboi: Yes I added the bug in there but not the patches, will add it to the scalability section. | 15:57 |
| regXboi | thx | 15:57 |
| Swami | The DVR HA server side patch requires one more core review. #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1365473/ | 15:58 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1365473 in neutron "Unable to create a router that's both HA and distributed" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Adolfo Duarte (adolfo-duarte) | 15:58 |
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| Swami | I will ping amuller to see if he can bless it. | 15:58 |
| Swami | Thanks everyone for joining the meeting. | 15:59 |
| Swami | Meet you all next week. | 15:59 |
| regXboi | I think we are done - hopefully bugs won't eat us out of house and home next week | 15:59 |
| Swami | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 11 15:59:43 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| obondarev_ | good day all | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_dvr/2015/neutron_dvr.2015-11-11-15.00.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_dvr/2015/neutron_dvr.2015-11-11-15.00.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_dvr/2015/neutron_dvr.2015-11-11-15.00.log.html | 15:59 |
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| Swami | bye | 15:59 |
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| carl_baldwin | Bye | 16:00 |
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| stephen-ma | Bye | 16:00 |
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| Sukhdev | Hello | 16:02 |
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| rkukura | hi ML2’ers! | 16:02 |
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| rkukura | not seeing some of the regulars - lets wait a few moments | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | pc_m : there is fee for lurking around here - however, participation is free :-):-) | 16:04 |
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| pc_m | Sukhdev: participating, but have nothing to say as I'm trying to get orientated. | 16:05 |
| rkukura | Other than Sukhdev and pc_m, who’s here for ML2? | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | pc_m : ah ha - in that case fee is waved :-):-) | 16:06 |
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| rkukura | scheuran: are you here for ML2? | 16:06 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura : I think the change in time is messing people up - I had the same dilema in Monday's meeting people were dialing in an hour late :-) | 16:06 |
| pc_m | Sukhdev: Wait until I pummel you with questions, before considering waiving the fee... :) | 16:06 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: could be | 16:07 |
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| scheuran | rkukura, I'm around | 16:07 |
| rkukura | lets get started then! | 16:07 |
| rkukura | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:08 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 11 16:08:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rkukura. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:08 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:08 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:08 |
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| rkukura | #topic: Agenda | 16:08 |
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| rkukura | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_November_11.2C_2015 | 16:08 |
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| rkukura | Anything to add to the agenda? | 16:08 |
| rkukura | #topic Announcements | 16:09 |
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| rkukura | welcome back from the Summit/travel/week-off/etc. | 16:09 |
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| Sukhdev | back but, heavily jet-lagged :-) | 16:10 |
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| rkukura | Mitaka-1 is scheduled for 12/1 | 16:10 |
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| rkukura | Would be good to try to at least get specs approved by then for anything we want to accomplish | 16:10 |
| rkukura | Any other announcements? | 16:10 |
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| rkukura | #topic Mitaka Summit recap | 16:11 |
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| rkukura | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Mitaka/Etherpads#Neutron | 16:11 |
| rkukura | That’s the link to the etherpads from the summit | 16:12 |
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| rkukura | I’ve included in the agenda the main ML2-related work items that were discussed at the summit: SG driver support, driver status, trunk ports, modular l2 agent, and topology | 16:13 |
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| rkukura | Any comments on the summit? | 16:14 |
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| Sukhdev | it will be nice if yamamoto can provide the writeup on the SG driver | 16:15 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: Your ironic presentation was nice! | 16:16 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura : thanks | 16:16 |
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| rkukura | Any other ML2-related developments at the summit that I haven’t mentioned in the agenda? | 16:17 |
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| rkukura | #topic Driver API for SecurityGroup | 16:17 |
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| scheuran | sorry, got dropped for a moment | 16:17 |
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| rkukura | Doesn’t look like yamamoto is here to update on this | 16:18 |
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| rkukura | The spec is being actively reviewed: | 16:18 |
| rkukura | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/240356/ | 16:18 |
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| pc_m | rkukura: At the summit were some solutions discussed for handling SG? | 16:19 |
| * pc_m the BP seems to only mention the issue | 16:19 | |
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| rkukura | pc_m: There was some discussion at the ML2 table on Friday mornign | 16:19 |
| pc_m | rkukura: Ah. Will look forward to updates to the BP. | 16:20 |
| rkukura | One issue from the spec review is whether the notification/callbacks are sufficient for drivers to track SG state updates, or if we need to add precommit/postcommit methods for SG resources. | 16:20 |
| rkukura | It would be great for anytone interested in this to give this some thought and comment on the review | 16:21 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura : yamamoto had made some comments about there being an issue with the callback mechanism | 16:21 |
| rkukura | The other issue is whether we need ML2 port binding to guarantee that at least one MD takes responsibility for enforcing SGs when applicable. | 16:22 |
| Sukhdev | hence, I asked him to document the issue so that it can be debated | 16:22 |
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| pc_m | rkukura: thanks for summarizing. | 16:23 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: One question is whether the same BP/spec should cover both aspects | 16:23 |
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| Sukhdev | I think it should cover both | 16:23 |
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| rkukura | I’d rather see one BP/spec provide a complete solution | 16:24 |
| rkukura | OK, hopefully we’ll have some progress on this by next week | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | I will be happy to help and participate in this - if someone can take the lead on this | 16:24 |
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| rkukura | I think yamahata is leading this, and I’m willing to help out as well | 16:25 |
| Sukhdev | I mean help in some of the implementation and testing | 16:25 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Do you see switch-based SG enforcement being applicable with ironic/baremetal? | 16:26 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura : Yes - very much so | 16:26 |
| pc_m | I'm researching into what it takes for a MD to support SG under Ironic, so I'll be interested in all this and can try to help once I come up to speed. | 16:27 |
| Sukhdev | hence, I am willing to step in and help with the implementation and testing of this | 16:27 |
| rkukura | I think we’ve got sufficient interest to really try to get this into Mitaka | 16:27 |
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| rkukura | Anyhing else on it before we move on? | 16:28 |
| Sukhdev | pc_m : we can be good friends once you figure out the details - as I am looking into this as well | 16:28 |
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| pc_m | Sukhdev: sure! | 16:28 |
| rkukura | #topic Driver status coalescing/visibility | 16:28 |
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| rkukura | This discussion was followup to the discussions at the pre-cycle meeting | 16:29 |
| rkukura | We had some volunteers to put together a proposal: John Joyce, yamahata, and asomya | 16:29 |
| rkukura | I don’t think any of them are here right now | 16:30 |
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| rkukura | If we are going to do this in Mitaka, I think we need to get a concrete proposal soon, so we’ll continue to track this | 16:30 |
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| rkukura | I’m sure all driver maintainers have an interest | 16:31 |
| rkukura | Next... | 16:31 |
| rkukura | #topic Trunk port binding for VLAN-awere VMs | 16:31 |
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| rkukura | s/awere/aware/ | 16:31 |
| rkukura | Is Bence here? | 16:31 |
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| rkukura | Anyway, this was presented and discussed at the summit | 16:32 |
| rkukura | #link Trunk port binding for VLAN-awere VMs | 16:32 |
| rkukura | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/vlan-aware-vms | 16:32 |
| * rkukura should read pasted text before hitting enter | 16:33 | |
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| rkukura | I volunteered to help figure out how ML2 port binding will work with trunk ports | 16:33 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: This also seems relevant to ironic | 16:34 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura : yes, I was typing and you asked | 16:34 |
| Sukhdev | this is very relevant to ironic - hence, I can help with this as well | 16:34 |
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| rkukura | I think the focus so far has been on OVS agent assembling the networks into a trunk, but we should consider switches doing this as well | 16:34 |
| rkukura | Any other comments on this? | 16:35 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura : this was presented in vancouver summit and thing really happened - do you think Bence is serious in pusuing this one? | 16:35 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: I think so | 16:36 |
| Sukhdev | Good - I will keep my eye out for this | 16:36 |
| rkukura | OK, next… | 16:36 |
| rkukura | #topic Modular L2 agent | 16:37 |
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| rkukura | scheuran: Do you have an update on this? | 16:37 |
| scheuran | to make it short, I don't have any updates | 16:37 |
| scheuran | will try to bring a new patchset up later this week | 16:37 |
| scheuran | and then come back next week | 16:37 |
| rkukura | I think I just noticed an openstack-dev thread related to this | 16:38 |
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| scheuran | can you share? Maybe I've overseen it... | 16:38 |
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| rkukura | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/078263.html | 16:38 |
| rkukura | I haven’t yet read the thread | 16:39 |
| scheuran | thanks! | 16:39 |
| rkukura | I get the feeling there are several different people/groups working on making L2 agents more modular, but efforts aren’t really coordinated yet | 16:40 |
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| scheuran | not sure. At least this thread is about agent extensions like QoS | 16:40 |
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| scheuran | but I need to dig into the details | 16:41 |
| rkukura | scheuran: Right, which is not exactly the same as what you are working on, but overall both add to modularity | 16:41 |
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| rkukura | OK, anything else on this? | 16:42 |
| scheuran | not from my side | 16:42 |
| rkukura | #topic Topology | 16:42 |
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| rkukura | This was presented at the summit | 16:42 |
| rkukura | I don’t see shivharis or asomya here today | 16:42 |
| rkukura | There seemed to be significant interest | 16:43 |
| rkukura | any comments? | 16:43 |
| rkukura | moving along then… | 16:43 |
| rkukura | #topic Open Discussion | 16:44 |
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| rkukura | Anything to discuss today? | 16:44 |
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| rkukura | Thanks Sukhdev, pc_m and scheuran! | 16:45 |
| scheuran | welcome | 16:45 |
| pc_m | rkukura: Thanks for the info! | 16:45 |
| rkukura | last call… | 16:45 |
| Sukhdev | thanks for chairing today | 16:45 |
| rkukura | #endmeeting | 16:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 11 16:45:55 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-11-11-16.08.html | 16:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-11-11-16.08.txt | 16:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-11-11-16.08.log.html | 16:46 |
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| rkukura | bye! | 16:46 |
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| mugsie | #startmeeting Designate | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 11 17:02:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 17:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:02 |
| mugsie | #topic Roll Call | 17:02 |
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| mugsie | so, who's here? | 17:02 |
| johnbelamaric | o/ | 17:02 |
| mlavalle | hi | 17:02 |
| Kiall | o/ | 17:02 |
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| timsim | o/ | 17:03 |
| mugsie | #topic Action Items | 17:03 |
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| mugsie | mugsie finish investigations on his bugs | 17:03 |
| pglass | o/ | 17:03 |
| mugsie | done | 17:03 |
| mugsie | Kiall investiagte 1505605 | 17:03 |
| mugsie | Kiall: ? | 17:04 |
| mugsie | OK, i think he is afk :) | 17:04 |
| mugsie | #action Kiall investiagte 1505605 | 17:04 |
| mugsie | mugsie update review dashboard to show Kilo / Liberty | 17:04 |
| jmcbride | o/ | 17:04 |
| mugsie | done | 17:04 |
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| mugsie | #topic Announcements | 17:05 |
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| rsyed | o/ | 17:05 |
| mugsie | anyone have any? | 17:05 |
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| mugsie | OK then :) | 17:05 |
| mugsie | #topic Bug Triage (timsim - recurring) | 17:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bug Triage (timsim - recurring) (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 17:05 | |
| mugsie | timsim: over to you | 17:06 |
| timsim | looks like https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1491248 is still assigned to you mugsie | 17:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1491248 in Designate "Record is not deleted after terminating a VM+duplicate records " [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Graham Hayes (grahamhayes) | 17:06 |
| mugsie | ah, meant to close that | 17:06 |
| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1513226 | 17:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1513226 in Designate "Quotas in admin API is missing api_export_size" [Undecided,New] | 17:07 |
| mugsie | h, m1 | 17:07 |
| timsim | agreed | 17:07 |
| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1514602 | 17:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1514602 in Designate "Pool manager doesn't start when coordination backend isn't reachable" [Undecided,New] | 17:07 |
| Kiall | Is that a quota or a global limit? | 17:07 |
| mugsie | quota | 17:08 |
| Kiall | K | 17:08 |
| Kiall | Saw this one, critical / m1 | 17:08 |
| Kiall | But disagree with the fix | 17:08 |
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| Kiall | it should stay running, and continue to try connecting - same as we do for MySQL/RabbitMQ etc | 17:08 |
| Kiall | otherwise it forces deployment ordering weirdness | 17:08 |
| mugsie | OK, Kiall you want to comment in the bug with ^ | 17:09 |
| mugsie | ? | 17:09 |
| Kiall | K | 17:09 |
| mugsie | C / m1 as well | 17:09 |
| * timsim just checking the two bugs in client, might have gone over them last week | 17:09 | |
| mugsie | we did | 17:10 |
| timsim | yeah we did | 17:10 |
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| timsim | done :) | 17:10 |
| mugsie | #topic Stable Backport Triage (kiall - recurring) | 17:10 |
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| Kiall | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/478587/ | 17:10 |
| Kiall | (woo, I did paste.openstack this time ;)) | 17:10 |
| mugsie | wow, paste openstack is sloooooowwwwww | 17:11 |
| Kiall | As usual, take a few mins - review, nominate for backport to K or L | 17:11 |
| mugsie | ed2861a Handle NO_DOMAIN status | 17:11 |
| mugsie | (liberty + kilo?)) | 17:11 |
| Kiall | Sounds about right to me | 17:11 |
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| mugsie | any more? | 17:12 |
| timsim | 6113026 Merge "Use assertTrue/False instead of assertEqual(T/F)" | 17:12 |
| Kiall | "e6adbb9 Merge "Fixes Output for zone type filter" <-- possibly, looking up the details | 17:12 |
| timsim | jk :troll: | 17:12 |
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| Kiall | mm - maybe? others thoughts? | 17:13 |
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| mugsie | timsim: http://replygif.net/i/100.gif | 17:13 |
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| timsim | c679735 Merge "Removes zone files when a zone is deleted" maybe? | 17:14 |
| mugsie | e6adbb9 Merge "Fixes Output for zone type filter - yes | 17:14 |
| mugsie | c679735 Merge "Removes zone files when a zone is deleted" maybe? - is that a bug or a feature? | 17:14 |
| timsim | yeah agreed that's an easy one. | 17:14 |
| mugsie | i would lean towards it being a feature, and as such, invalid | 17:15 |
| timsim | I'm fine with that. | 17:15 |
| mugsie | thoughts? | 17:15 |
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| mugsie | ok | 17:15 |
| elarson | o/ | 17:15 |
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| mugsie | look who showed up | 17:15 |
| timsim | I think people might expect that to just happen somehow. | 17:15 |
| Kiall | It's both? I'd say yes, it's small enough and given enough time running, can lead to pain? | 17:15 |
| elarson | sorry, was #inthezone | 17:15 |
| mugsie | it is only compatible with bind 9.10 | 17:15 |
| mugsie | which is just out right? | 17:16 |
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| Kiall | true.. Leave it so | 17:16 |
| timsim | Yeah. | 17:16 |
| Kiall | Anyone running Kilo won't be on a new enough bind to use it ;) | 17:16 |
| mugsie | grand. any voulenteers to bp e6adbb9 and ed2861a ? | 17:17 |
| Kiall | I'll do the quick+easy one now while I wait for a build = e6adbb9 ;) | 17:17 |
| mugsie | timsim: can you do ed2861a ? as you cannot vote on the bp anyway (as its your code) | 17:17 |
| timsim | Sure | 17:17 |
| mugsie | #action Kiall bp e6adbb9 | 17:17 |
| mugsie | #action timsim bp ed2861a to L + K | 17:18 |
| mugsie | #topic Designate/Neutron Integration Update (mlavalle - recurring) | 17:18 |
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| mlavalle | hi | 17:18 |
| mugsie | hey | 17:18 |
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| mlavalle | functionality for floating ips is complete in Neutron | 17:18 |
| mlavalle | that is what we demoed in Tokyo | 17:18 |
| mugsie | great. | 17:19 |
| mugsie | is there anything on our end blocking this? | 17:19 |
| mlavalle | I am adding the same functionality now for ip_addresses for ports on provider networks | 17:19 |
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| mlavalle | whaich can also be public addresses in Neutron | 17:19 |
| mlavalle | it shouldn't take too long | 17:20 |
| mlavalle | my goal is to merge this in mitaka-1 | 17:20 |
| mlavalle | are soon after | 17:20 |
| Kiall | Cool, that was one of the Q's from the talk at the Summit, right? | 17:20 |
| mlavalle | yeah | 17:20 |
| * mugsie needs to watch that video | 17:21 | |
| mlavalle | I also had a 15 minutes conversation with johnthetubaguy (the Nova PTL) in Tokyo | 17:21 |
| mlavalle | and another one this morning | 17:21 |
| mlavalle | 'he is in support of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90150/ | 17:21 |
| mlavalle | I pushed the last revision last Friday | 17:21 |
| mlavalle | so things look good on that front as well | 17:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | I will totally get to review your spec, I like the general idea, just need to dig back into that post summit | 17:21 |
| mlavalle | johnthetubaguy: thanks :-) | 17:22 |
| mugsie | great :) | 17:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | I have marked it as a spec that blocks another project's progress to try get it more attention | 17:22 |
| mugsie | mlavalle: if you need anything from designate just shout :) | 17:22 |
| mlavalle | mugsie: will do. That's all from me this week | 17:22 |
| mugsie | but it looks like great progress | 17:23 |
| mugsie | any questions before we move on? | 17:23 |
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| Kiall | woo - more progress, that's about it ;) | 17:23 |
| mugsie | #topic The big refactor: Domain -> Zone (mugsie) | 17:23 |
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| mugsie | so, this has started | 17:23 |
| mugsie | and it is a massive pain | 17:23 |
| mugsie | but I am working through it | 17:23 |
| timsim | woohoo | 17:23 |
| Kiall | at mugsie's suffering? | 17:24 |
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| Kiall | not cool timsi | 17:24 |
| elarson | !m mugsie | 17:24 |
| openstack | elarson: Error: "m" is not a valid command. | 17:24 |
| mugsie | I have a family issue that means I will have to take friday off, so if I have not completed it by thursday eve I may need to hand it off | 17:24 |
| mugsie | but I think we should be OK | 17:25 |
| elarson | mugsie: I believe in you | 17:25 |
| mugsie | it does mean we will need everyone to review asap when it goes up | 17:25 |
| timsim | We believe | 17:25 |
| elarson | can do (says the guy taht can only +1 ;)) | 17:25 |
| mugsie | http://replygif.net/i/1171.gif | 17:26 |
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| mugsie | any questions on the rename? | 17:26 |
| Kiall | No, but have a comment.. | 17:26 |
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| Kiall | if it's not done by Friday when we scheduled, we should extend till it's done. | 17:27 |
| mugsie | ++ | 17:27 |
| timsim | agreed | 17:27 |
| Kiall | i.e. just get it out of the way rather than "abort" and start over next cycle ;) | 17:27 |
| mugsie | 100% - but we should treat friday as a hard deadline until we miss it | 17:27 |
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| mugsie | trust me, I am not abandoning it now ;) | 17:27 |
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| mugsie | #topic Open Discussion | 17:28 |
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| mugsie | any off agenda items? | 17:28 |
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| jmcbride | I have an announcement | 17:28 |
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| jmcbride | Please welcome a new-ish team member to the rax DNS team: rsyed | 17:28 |
| mugsie | hey rsyed ! | 17:28 |
| rsyed | hey everyone! | 17:28 |
| federico3 | hello rsyed ! | 17:28 |
| Kiall | Welcome rsyed :) | 17:28 |
| rsyed | thanks! | 17:28 |
| jmcbride | (he joined our team a few weeks ago, hence new-ish) | 17:29 |
| Kiall | You guys keep hiring, putting everyone else to shame ;) | 17:29 |
| johnbelamaric | welcome rsyed | 17:29 |
| mugsie | http://replygif.net/i/1412.gif | 17:29 |
| Kiall | Side - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244230/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244231/ for stable/liberty | 17:29 |
| elarson | !h5 rsyed | 17:29 |
| openstack | elarson: Error: "h5" is not a valid command. | 17:29 |
| timsim | No_domain didn't cherry pick cleanly :P | 17:29 |
| elarson | #breakingbotonecommandatatime | 17:30 |
| rsyed | i've noticed the wider designate community has as strong gif skills as my team does...i have to level up | 17:30 |
| Kiall | timsim: of course it didn't! | 17:30 |
| jmcbride | (rsyed just got a new grill, so I know he'll appreciate discussing the needful on meat if you have tips) | 17:30 |
| Kiall | rsyed: lol - I blame elarson on that. | 17:30 |
| Kiall | and mugsie | 17:30 |
| elarson | :) | 17:31 |
| rsyed | absolutely, my first attempt at steak was mediocre | 17:31 |
| * elarson points to filler / silkey | 17:31 | |
| elarson | fwiw, I updated the alias spec with conclusions from the summit | 17:31 |
| timsim | I've got the IXFR spec updated: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132638/ http://docs-draft.openstack.org/38/132638/13/check/gate-designate-specs-docs/87a0565//doc/build/html/specs/mitaka/ixfr.html | 17:31 |
| elarson | I'm also putting together some reviews that are meant to be atomic | 17:31 |
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| mugsie | elarson: I saw that. next week will be spec time for me | 17:31 |
| elarson | no worries | 17:31 |
| Kiall | elarson: cool - you have code for that too, how close to the spec is it? | 17:31 |
| mugsie | atomic as in boom? :P | 17:31 |
| Kiall | 9i.e. how much did the summit change what you had coded ;)) | 17:31 |
| federico3 | I was going to say the same | 17:32 |
| elarson | Kiall: the basic functionality worked (last I checked) so now I'm adding tests and will start adding the extra bits (ie export, grabbing the upstream a record ttl, etc. ) | 17:32 |
| elarson | so not much changed | 17:32 |
| mugsie | OK, any more items before we break? | 17:32 |
| Kiall | elarson: cool, always nice to have it match reality :) | 17:32 |
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| elarson | I was going submit a small unit test for the mdns handler | 17:33 |
| Kiall | Not from me.. | 17:33 |
| elarson | I only mention it here b/c it is something we can talk about regarding the test suite refactoring | 17:33 |
| mugsie | ah | 17:33 |
| mugsie | yeah, that diserves a good discussion | 17:34 |
| elarson | aka, get more clarity on where we want to things to go | 17:34 |
| mugsie | want to add it here for next week elarson https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Designate ? | 17:34 |
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| elarson | but basically it is perfect so there really is nothign to discuss ;) | 17:34 |
| mugsie | :D | 17:34 |
| Kiall | But if you add it, we expect a powerpoint deck on it - purly filled with gifs ;) | 17:34 |
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| elarson | mugsie: we can leave it off of the meeting as I suspect we'll have a ongoing discussion | 17:35 |
| mugsie | ok, cool | 17:35 |
| elarson | Kiall: already done | 17:35 |
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| Kiall | lol | 17:35 |
| mugsie | elarson: it better be in a docker container using emacs ascii art | 17:35 |
| elarson | mugsie: obviously | 17:36 |
| mugsie | :) | 17:36 |
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| mugsie | ok. is that all for this week? | 17:36 |
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| Kiall | I think so | 17:36 |
| * elarson is good | 17:36 | |
| mugsie | ok, see ya'll in #openstack-dns | 17:36 |
| mugsie | #endmeeting | 17:36 |
| timsim | o/ | 17:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 11 17:36:59 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-11-11-17.02.html | 17:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-11-11-17.02.txt | 17:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-11-11-17.02.log.html | 17:37 |
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| cp16net | #startmeeting trove | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 11 18:00:10 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cp16net. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| cp16net | #topic whos here? | 18:00 |
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| cp16net | howdy yall | 18:00 |
| imandhan | o/ | 18:00 |
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| johnma | hello | 18:01 |
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| cp16net | short list | 18:02 |
| cp16net | i guess others are busy or dont realize the time change :-P | 18:03 |
| cp16net | even after 2 weeks hehe | 18:03 |
| SlickNik | heh | 18:04 |
| SlickNik | yes it does. | 18:04 |
| vkmc | o/ | 18:04 |
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| vkmc | heyo | 18:04 |
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| cp16net | alright well there are a few of us here now | 18:05 |
| SlickNik | hi there! | 18:05 |
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| cp16net | #topic pulse update | 18:05 |
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| SlickNik | amrith's at usenix | 18:05 |
| cp16net | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-pulse-update | 18:05 |
| cp16net | #link http://bit.ly/1VQyg00 | 18:05 |
| SlickNik | evangelizing trove — so we can excuse him. | 18:05 |
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| cp16net | yeah amrith will catch up later | 18:06 |
| cp16net | we had a good up tick on reviews this past week | 18:06 |
| peterstac | o/ | 18:07 |
| cp16net | thanks for everyones effort there | 18:07 |
| cp16net | any other questions concerns there? | 18:08 |
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| cp16net | i have a few topics that are related to the reviews | 18:08 |
| peterstac | I do notice that the 'open reviews' graph is just getting bigger | 18:09 |
| cp16net | yeah we are growing in size there | 18:09 |
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| peterstac | Now that we don't automatically 'abandon' old/contested changesets, they just sit around | 18:09 |
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| cp16net | and if they get stale and not rebased they may be there for a while | 18:10 |
| dougshelley66 | o/ | 18:11 |
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| vgnbkr | o/ | 18:11 |
| atomic77 | o\ | 18:11 |
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| cp16net | we should look at the value of the changes and help them through if they just need a rebase or something | 18:11 |
| peterstac | Yeah - I understand that we can filter them out of our views, but then how's that different from 'auto-abandoning' them? ;) | 18:11 |
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| cp16net | i think this slightly leads to the next topics reguarding reviews | 18:13 |
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| cp16net | #topic Mitaka 1 - Dec 1-3 (3 weeks away) | 18:14 |
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| cp16net | seems crazy but its coming up quickly | 18:14 |
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| cp16net | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mitaka_Release_Schedule | 18:14 |
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| vkmc | yeah :| | 18:14 |
| peterstac | Is there a link to the bugs/bps earmarked for mitaka-1 ? | 18:15 |
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| cp16net | I'd like to see the specs we are planning on completing in Mitaka up and reviewed by this time frame | 18:15 |
| cp16net | peterstac: good question. i think some of them are marked in launched pad | 18:15 |
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| peterstac | Sounds reasonable | 18:16 |
| cp16net | i dont want what we had last time where we were approving specs at the last minute and pushing lots of code at the end of the cycle | 18:16 |
| cp16net | i'll look into making sure the bp are updated in launchpad so that we have an idea of which ones we are looking at getting done | 18:17 |
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| cp16net | #action cp16net update the bps in launchpad for mitaka | 18:18 |
| cp16net | any questions about mitaka-1? | 18:18 |
| dougshelley66 | cp16net so we should make sure that any specs targeted for mitaka are up for review before mitaka-1? | 18:19 |
| dougshelley66 | I see 11 BPs for mitaka ATM | 18:20 |
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| cp16net | dougshelley66: thats what i'd like to see | 18:20 |
| johnma | so does that mean the spec needs to be approved by mitaka-1 ? | 18:20 |
| cp16net | i'd like to see the specs approved | 18:20 |
| dougshelley66 | i believe this is the current list- https://blueprints.launchpad.net/trove/mitaka | 18:20 |
| johnma | ok, good to know. Thanks cp16net | 18:21 |
| peterstac | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/trove/mitaka | 18:21 |
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| cp16net | if they come alittle late i think we can manage if they are not refactoring everything | 18:21 |
| cp16net | :-P | 18:21 |
| cp16net | but i think this would help moving forward | 18:22 |
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| cp16net | because i know there is a ton of work todo | 18:22 |
| imandhan | How do I tag a bp for mitaka? Just the milestone? | 18:22 |
| cp16net | yeah milestone | 18:22 |
| imandhan | thanks | 18:23 |
| cp16net | so moving on... | 18:24 |
| cp16net | #topic Lets get the stable/liberty and kilo patches reviewed | 18:24 |
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| cp16net | we have a couple patches that need to land for kilo and liberty | 18:24 |
| cp16net | so not everyone can approve these but i just want everyopne to be aware | 18:24 |
| cp16net | we should work on getting these merged | 18:25 |
| peterstac | cp16net, I think most of those have been reviewed (for a while now) | 18:25 |
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| cp16net | if other patches are found that need to be backported lets get them up there | 18:25 |
| peterstac | I'm not sure who we need to 'push' to get them approved ... | 18:25 |
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| cp16net | yeah there is a short list of people that can approve them | 18:26 |
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| cp16net | the stable maintainence team | 18:26 |
| dougshelley66 | cp16net is there something specific you would like us to do? | 18:27 |
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| cp16net | review them if you havnt | 18:27 |
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| cp16net | :) | 18:27 |
| dougshelley66 | ok | 18:27 |
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| cp16net | not much else on that topic | 18:28 |
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| peterstac | Looks like some of them are failing on py27 | 18:28 |
| cp16net | #topic adding reno support | 18:28 |
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| cp16net | peterstac: they may need a rebase | 18:29 |
| peterstac | we may have to back-port this as well | 18:29 |
| peterstac | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/236015/ | 18:29 |
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| peterstac | cp16net, sure, that's possible too | 18:30 |
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| cp16net | hey i saw that error today :-P | 18:30 |
| cp16net | lol | 18:30 |
| peterstac | yeah, that was my fault (from back in my noob days :D ) | 18:30 |
| cp16net | its all good:) | 18:31 |
| peterstac | (I'm trying to redeem myself with the fix) | 18:31 |
| cp16net | so reno support... | 18:31 |
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| cp16net | just wanted to fill everyone in on what reno | 18:31 |
| cp16net | so the openstack release team was being back logged with creating the release notes from launchpad | 18:32 |
| cp16net | so they are having everyone move to the release notes in the file tree | 18:32 |
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| cp16net | so that they can be generated from code for each project | 18:33 |
| cp16net | i have 1 patch up and still need to get the others up for stable/liberty | 18:34 |
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| cp16net | then there is a job that should run also reguarding reno | 18:34 |
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| cp16net | here is a email info link | 18:34 |
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| peterstac | So that would mean (once the changeset lands) that anything 'release note' worthy would have to be added to releasenotes/source/liberty.rst ? | 18:34 |
| cp16net | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/078301.html | 18:35 |
| peterstac | (or mitaka, etc.) | 18:35 |
| cp16net | peterstac: i think that would be the case | 18:35 |
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| cp16net | since this is still a bit new i think we are learning as we go | 18:36 |
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| imandhan | So basically moving forward as new features/bps get implemented, we should remember to add a line in release notes for that cycle? | 18:37 |
| cp16net | i'd say lets keep doing the same thing we've done | 18:37 |
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| cp16net | and then once i/we get a better understanding of the expectation on this file then we can change how we approach this change int he release notes | 18:38 |
| cp16net | sound good? | 18:38 |
| peterstac | cp16net, by that you mean using DocImpact tags? | 18:38 |
| cp16net | yeah that shouldnt be changing | 18:39 |
| cp16net | thats for documentation notes | 18:39 |
| dougshelley66 | so what were we doing previously related to release notes | 18:39 |
| cp16net | it was manaully being done | 18:39 |
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| cp16net | i'll follow up next week with this and get more info | 18:40 |
| dougshelley66 | but was there some sort of trigger on a bug or a commit to tell someone to manually add to relnotes | 18:40 |
| peterstac | Ah, I didn't know we had a process around that ;) | 18:40 |
| cp16net | i think there are a lot of questions that i dont know the answer to yet :-P | 18:40 |
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| dougshelley66 | ah ok np | 18:40 |
| cp16net | and i want to make sure we have time for this next topic. | 18:41 |
| cp16net | so if anyone has further questions reguarding reno let me know in the trove channel | 18:42 |
| cp16net | #topic datastore log operations blueprint | 18:42 |
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| cp16net | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188168/ | 18:42 |
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| cp16net | so there is this bp that has been reviewed a few times | 18:42 |
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| cp16net | but there was a conern in particular that was brought up regaurding the swift containers | 18:43 |
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| cp16net | i'd like more feedback from others on what they think about this... | 18:44 |
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| cp16net | 1. creating a container for each instance to hold the logs when a user requests them | 18:44 |
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| peterstac | right now, the proposal is to have a container for each log file requested | 18:44 |
| cp16net | 2. creating a single container for the tenant that will hold the logs when the user requests them | 18:45 |
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| peterstac | having a single container would require filtering the files in the container, as a log could be made up of an unknown number of different files | 18:45 |
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| vgnbkr | Since each "log" can consist of a very large number of individual swift objects, it seemed prudent to put a single log, composed of many objects, in a single container. | 18:45 |
| cp16net | peterstac: wait so this is going even further and saying that each file a user requests creates a new container? | 18:46 |
| SlickNik | Does swift have limits on the number of files per container or max number of containers? How well do the variables in each case scale? | 18:46 |
| peterstac | Each log file has its own container, not each request for a log file | 18:47 |
| cp16net | so each log per instance creates a conatiner | 18:48 |
| peterstac | SlickNik, I don't know about Swift limits (have to look that up) | 18:48 |
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| notmyname | SlickNik: no, not as a default. but there are recommendations for per-container number of objects based on deployment choices | 18:48 |
| notmyname | SlickNik: there is a config option for max containers per account, but it's set to unlimited by default | 18:49 |
| peterstac | cp16net, the first time you run log-publish on a log it will create a new container | 18:49 |
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| SlickNik | notmyname: awesome — thanks for the info. | 18:50 |
| peterstac | notmyname, thanks for the info! (saves me some search time!) | 18:50 |
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| vgnbkr | Since each "log" consists of many swift objects, if all the logs were to share a single container, there would potentially be a phenomenally large number of objects in that contain. It would be pretty much unmanagable for the user to look at the contents of that container. | 18:50 |
| cp16net | so i could see a few different ways that this would work with a single container. | 18:50 |
| cp16net | so within swift you can make sudo folders that would store the log files for each instance | 18:51 |
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| cp16net | or prefix the logs | 18:51 |
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| cp16net | peterstac: another question... do the containers eventually go away when the files expire? | 18:52 |
| peterstac | The files are set to expire - I don't know that the containers do | 18:53 |
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| peterstac | (that would be another question for notmyname - can containers be set to 'disappear' once all the files expire) | 18:53 |
| vgnbkr | The container will be removed when the log is deleted. | 18:53 |
| cp16net | because as a user i'd wonder why i have so many containers i have to sift through to find the one i'm looking for | 18:54 |
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| dougshelley66 | maybe we need "protected" or "locked" swift containers :) | 18:54 |
| notmyname | peterstac: no. you'd end up with an empty container | 18:55 |
| cp16net | dougshelley66: i dont think that would help | 18:55 |
| dougshelley66 | cp16net...it was kind of a joke/reference to our convo at summit... | 18:55 |
| cp16net | ahh :-P | 18:55 |
| SlickNik | dougshelley66: you have me in splits here :P | 18:55 |
| dougshelley66 | I try... | 18:56 |
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| cp16net | so do we have suggestions either way? | 18:57 |
| peterstac | cp16net, I'll look into having a 'folder' within the Swift container | 18:57 |
| cp16net | or am i alone on thinking that multiple containers seems like a bad idea | 18:58 |
| peterstac | and see if that's fairly easy to implement ... | 18:58 |
| cp16net | we use 1 container for all the backups | 18:58 |
| cp16net | i think we should use 1 for logs | 18:58 |
| atomic77 | the only way i can see this being important is if swift, internally, thinks of its objects as basically a key:obj in some large keyspace, and the container is just a 'convenience prefix' | 18:58 |
| cp16net | i dont think we should use the same one nessesarily | 18:58 |
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| cp16net | i think we are getting close on time here | 18:59 |
| cp16net | i would like to continue this in the trove room | 19:00 |
| atomic77 | cp16net, ok i'll continue there :) | 19:00 |
| cp16net | i'll end it. | 19:00 |
| cp16net | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| xgerman | #startmeeting Octavia | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 11 20:00:22 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xgerman. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:00 |
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| ajmiller | o/ | 20:00 |
| bana_k | hi | 20:00 |
| blallau | hi | 20:00 |
| xgerman | hi | 20:01 |
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| TrevorV | o/ | 20:01 |
| xgerman | so there is some crisis in Neutron land… | 20:01 |
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| xgerman | #topic Announcements | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:01 | |
| johnsom | o/ | 20:01 |
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| markvan_ | o/ | 20:02 |
| xgerman | Good read: Nova cross service issues - more info on "protected instances” #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-service-users | 20:02 |
| xgerman | and even better read: Mitaka Release Schedule - #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mitaka_Release_Schedule | 20:02 |
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| xgerman | key takeaway M1 is on 12/1 which is in less than one month!! | 20:02 |
| xgerman | the whole M schedule is super tight IHMO | 20:03 |
| dougwig | o/ | 20:03 |
| xgerman | lastly we got a stable/liberty branch for Octavia — so now we can do back ports ;-) | 20:04 |
| xgerman | #topic Midcycle | 20:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Midcycle (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:05 | |
| dougwig | hiya | 20:05 |
| dougwig | we're not waiting on designate. | 20:05 |
| dougwig | please see here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lbaas-mitaka-midcycle | 20:05 |
| xgerman | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lbaas-mitaka-midcycle | 20:05 |
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| xgerman | Thanks for setting that up and blogan no San Antonio? | 20:06 |
| dougwig | i'd like to here what dates or locations will *not* work. personally, i'm not so interested in seeing everyone +1 where they already live. seattle likely makes the most sense, but we don't need to see 20 +1's there for that one. | 20:06 |
| johnsom | Cool | 20:06 |
| dougwig | do we have any new venues that anyone suggests? if so, put it in there. | 20:06 |
| blogan | boise! | 20:06 |
| xgerman | in January? | 20:06 |
| blogan | i mean if tehre's enough non-rackers that watn san antonio i'm sure we could set it up | 20:07 |
| blogan | and our conference room wouldn't be bisected | 20:07 |
| blogan | :) | 20:07 |
| dougwig | heh, i *know* that i'm outvoted. but it's available. :) | 20:07 |
| xgerman | that customer appreciation center is awesome | 20:07 |
| johnsom | Yeah, the whole conference room thing cannot happen again. That was not cool | 20:07 |
| blogan | i would seriously do boise, though travel is always a maybe maybe not with us | 20:07 |
| johnsom | Mmm, prop plane for me to Boise, but could make it happen. | 20:08 |
| blogan | kevinbenton would totally do san antonio | 20:08 |
| blogan | even though he doesn't do much with lbaas, i'm sure he'd sell it to his managers | 20:08 |
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| xgerman | lol | 20:08 |
| dougwig | we had a rotation going for awhile. now we're seriously in danger of the rotation being: while (1) { seattle(); } | 20:09 |
| dougwig | though there are worse things. | 20:09 |
| xgerman | yep... | 20:09 |
| xgerman | we can colocate with FWaaS in Seattle | 20:09 |
| blogan | johnsom: btw the compute_noop_driver.build method does not take port_ids | 20:10 |
| dougwig | alright, unless anyone here wants to discuss this more, please edit the etherpad, and we'll circle back later this week. | 20:10 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:10 |
| johnsom | blogan yeah, not back on 0.5.2 /stable | 20:10 |
| blogan | lol i just saw your message in the main channel | 20:10 |
| xgerman | #topic Brief progress reports | 20:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Brief progress reports (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:11 | |
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| johnsom | Can I get a review on: | 20:11 |
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| johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243851/ | 20:12 |
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| johnsom | Should be quick, fixes spares pool amps. | 20:12 |
| johnsom | I will be testing VRRP soon and would like to have that merged and not fight on dependencies | 20:12 |
| johnsom | Also, VRRP is fully functional now. I will finish a refactor today and remove the WIP. | 20:13 |
| blallau | Great | 20:13 |
| xgerman | cool —> that should get into M1 | 20:13 |
| johnsom | There will be a follow up patch (working on smaller patches) that fixes failover flow for VRRP. | 20:13 |
| johnsom | I would appreciate reviews soon after the WIP is removed so I can do bug fixes and get things wrapped up for M1. | 20:13 |
| blallau | I'll do it | 20:14 |
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| johnsom | Thanks! | 20:14 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:14 |
| blallau | It's like a good book ;) | 20:15 |
| xgerman | any other progress? | 20:16 |
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| xgerman | we added some anchor support: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242277/ | 20:17 |
| bana_k | My co-workers are working on the heat | 20:17 |
| xgerman | cool!! | 20:18 |
| bana_k | so we made a good progress on it, | 20:18 |
| blogan | bana_k: are they working in the heat as well? | 20:18 |
| bana_k | reviews are under way | 20:18 |
| markvan | I'm working on the heat stuff | 20:18 |
| xgerman | welcome markvan — that is so cool! | 20:18 |
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| bana_k | hey Mark | 20:19 |
| bana_k | can you please provide brief progress on that. | 20:19 |
| markvan | jonesbr is has the main resource patches up, still under review | 20:20 |
| bana_k | it ll be really great if octavia community also takes look at those patches. | 20:20 |
| xgerman | links? | 20:20 |
| markvan | I'm trying to work on the infra and testing side. Stuck on the gate-neutron-lbaasv2-dsvm-scenario job failure...;) that's why I'm here today hint hint | 20:20 |
| blallau | +1 | 20:20 |
| markvan | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:%22Bryan+Jones%22+status:open,n,z | 20:20 |
| xgerman | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:%22Bryan+Jones%22+status:open,n,z | 20:21 |
| bana_k | xgerman thanks for the link. | 20:22 |
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| xgerman | no worries - usually trevorV is the king of that ;-) | 20:22 |
| blogan | markvan: for stable/liberty branch or master? | 20:22 |
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| markvan | master, trying to understand what it will take to get function screnario tests working in devstack gates (for heat) | 20:23 |
| xgerman | oh, ok | 20:24 |
| markvan | with the nested vm being slow and ugly....are there thoughts on alternatives for testing? | 20:24 |
| TrevorV | Sorry, I'm wiki-ing right now... thanks for keepin up xgerman | 20:24 |
| xgerman | markvan we have Noop drivers which are faster not sure if they would sufficient for your usecase | 20:25 |
| markvan | xgerman: thx, yup I'm working with those now to see if that will do the trick for us | 20:25 |
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| markvan | I'm more curious about your long term plans for dealing with devstack as more folks move to lbaasv2 | 20:26 |
| xgerman | we are hooping they will get better hardware | 20:26 |
| xgerman | more and more services (e.g. magnum) are going vm in vm so we might see some hardware improvements | 20:27 |
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| markvan | yes, I agree that would help, but seems like a long ways off | 20:29 |
| blallau | Magnum is more container, no? | 20:29 |
| xgerman | yep, but they need vm-in-vm as well | 20:29 |
| blogan | lets just use carina | 20:29 |
| blallau | ;) | 20:29 |
| xgerman | let’s figure that out with infra... | 20:30 |
| xgerman | :-) | 20:30 |
| blogan | it was a shameless plug without any substance | 20:30 |
| blogan | but yeah this needs to be solved bc it hurts real testing | 20:30 |
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| xgerman | you get pay $2 every time we say Carina? | 20:30 |
| markvan | yup, need to be vocal out infra requirements to make this supported | 20:30 |
| blogan | just $.01 | 20:30 |
| xgerman | lol | 20:31 |
| xgerman | markvan +! | 20:31 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:31 |
| xgerman | ok, I think we are drifting into | 20:31 |
| xgerman | #topic Open Discussion | 20:31 |
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| neelashah | has anyone brought up the need for Carina in Infra yet? just curious | 20:32 |
| blogan | neelashah: i'd be surprised if Carina would be able to support Infra needs right now bc its in beta | 20:32 |
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| blogan | maybe ill ask someone here if its even possible | 20:33 |
| neelashah | blogan thanks | 20:34 |
| xgerman | +! | 20:34 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:34 |
| xgerman | ok, we have some issue with werkzeug and so 0.11++ is bad for | 20:34 |
| xgerman | now | 20:35 |
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| xgerman | https://github.com/mitsuhiko/werkzeug/issues/798 — they promise the next maintenance release will have a fix | 20:35 |
| xgerman | I am tracking all of that in #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/octavia/+bug/1514644 | 20:36 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1514644 in octavia "Octavia amphora-agent doesn't work with werkzeug 0.11" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to German Eichberger (german-eichberger) | 20:36 |
| xgerman | my PSA | 20:36 |
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| xgerman | anything else? | 20:37 |
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| xgerman | without sbalukoff we don’t have that many yaks to shave | 20:37 |
| xgerman | blogan/dougwig? | 20:37 |
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| xgerman | #endmeeting | 20:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 11 20:38:26 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-11-11-20.00.html | 20:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-11-11-20.00.txt | 20:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-11-11-20.00.log.html | 20:38 |
| xgerman | bye | 20:38 |
| blallau | bye | 20:38 |
| bana_k | bye | 20:38 |
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