| sc68cal | hello all | 00:00 |
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| mickeys | hi | 00:00 |
| Aish | hi | 00:00 |
| yushiro | hello | 00:00 |
| hoangcx | Hi sc68cal and all | 00:00 |
| s3wong | hello | 00:00 |
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| sc68cal | #startmeeting networking_fwaas | 00:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 12 00:00:52 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_fwaas' | 00:00 |
| annp | Hi | 00:00 |
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| xgerman | hi | 00:01 |
| SridarK | Hi All | 00:01 |
| sc68cal | #topic announcements and housekeeping | 00:01 |
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| sc68cal | I'd like to say that it was really great to meet everyone at the summit | 00:01 |
| mickeys | +1 | 00:02 |
| sc68cal | thanks to SridarK, xgerman and those who presented at the summit about fwaas | 00:02 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: huge +1 yes this was great | 00:02 |
| hoangcx | +1 | 00:02 |
| xgerman | +1 | 00:02 |
| yushiro | +1 | 00:02 |
| SridarK | the discussions we had f2f were invaluable | 00:02 |
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| ajmiller | hi | 00:02 |
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| annp | +1 | 00:03 |
| sc68cal | xgerman: SridarK: anything you can think of to announce, besides the new spec? | 00:03 |
| xgerman | Mitaka schedcukle | 00:04 |
| SridarK | at least left feeling that we had made good progress, we still have a few things to close on but it looks positive | 00:04 |
| xgerman | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mitaka_Release_Schedule | 00:04 |
| xgerman | really tight this time | 00:04 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: we probab have to evolve the plan for us | 00:04 |
| sc68cal | yeah it is quite tight this time | 00:05 |
| sc68cal | honestly the second development cycle of the year is always shorter due to holidays and stuff | 00:05 |
| SridarK | yes, we shd target for some basic things to be in place by end Jan | 00:05 |
| xgerman | +1 | 00:06 |
| sc68cal | ok | 00:06 |
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| sc68cal | #topic New API spec | 00:07 |
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| sc68cal | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243873/ API spec | 00:07 |
| xgerman | really good discussion in the comments - mickeys is setting me quite straight ;-) | 00:08 |
| sc68cal | thanks to Aish for submitting - I'm sure it took some wranging to get everything from the etherpad | 00:08 |
| mickeys | Just a little fun back and forth :-) | 00:08 |
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| xgerman | Aish +1 | 00:08 |
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| Aish | Actually yes, it took me sometime to understand stuff from ether pad… | 00:09 |
| Aish | I am going through the review comments… I see that there is a lot to be added/modified.. | 00:10 |
| xgerman | yeah, but it’s a great start | 00:11 |
| Aish | Thanks.. | 00:11 |
| sc68cal | We'll have to figure out how to handle updates | 00:13 |
| sc68cal | It might be a bit much to expect Aish to update some parts, based on how new she is | 00:14 |
| sc68cal | but I don't want it to be a free-for-all either :) | 00:14 |
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| xgerman | yep - we should coordinate a bit | 00:14 |
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| SridarK | sc68cal: but i think it should be fine for others (mickeys primarily) to update as well | 00:15 |
| mickeys | I can work on some text. Perhaps use IRC when someone wants to submit a patch? | 00:15 |
| reedip | Maybe ask for voluntters ? | 00:15 |
| reedip | volunteers* | 00:15 |
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| SridarK | mickeys: u can also update as well | 00:15 |
| mickeys | I plan to | 00:15 |
| Aish | I agree. I shall help updating some basic stuff.. | 00:15 |
| jwarendt | I'll volunteer as well. | 00:16 |
| xgerman | yeah, I think with all the text mickeys offered to write he should be able to make his own patch ;-) | 00:16 |
| SridarK | xgerman: +1 | 00:16 |
| SridarK | but lets not proliferate | 00:16 |
| jwarendt | +1 | 00:16 |
| sc68cal | yeah, let's keep it to the one gerrit review | 00:16 |
| xgerman | +1 | 00:16 |
| SridarK | we can have a few folks update and rest of us can always comment | 00:16 |
| xgerman | yep, I think comments is the preferred way | 00:17 |
| mickeys | Aish: Go ahead making changes replying to smaller comments. I will work on the sections I indicated in my comments and ping you on IRC when I am ready to merge and submit. | 00:17 |
| xgerman | sounds good!! | 00:17 |
| sc68cal | ^ this sounds good to me | 00:17 |
| reedip | +1 | 00:17 |
| SridarK | +1 | 00:17 |
| Aish | Sure.. | 00:18 |
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| sc68cal | That's really all I had - SridarK xgerman ? | 00:19 |
| jwarendt | There is a fundamental question - the patch just blindly copies existing FWaaS behaviors like port contain port-ranges, or insert being a completely unRESTful PUT +rule. Did we intend to keep the existing interfaces in place for some reason, or was that just a strawman starting point? | 00:19 |
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| xgerman | I think the API design is a starting point and we can make more changes as we see fit | 00:21 |
| jwarendt | That is what I thought too, and not wanting to change "just because". Will comment in spec. | 00:22 |
| mickeys | +1 | 00:22 |
| xgerman | yep, commenting is good | 00:22 |
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| jwarendt | If I could just keep up with mickeys and other's changes :-) | 00:23 |
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| SridarK | From an overall perspective, at least in my head - we also want to end M with something that works even if it is evolving | 00:23 |
| mickeys | One big issue that we need to sort out. Are we still trying for backwards compatibility? Do we intend to migrate existing deployments automatically to the new API? Do we think that is feasible? | 00:23 |
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| xgerman | the only backwards compatibility I need is for existing drivers if possible (+ there is heat and horizon) | 00:24 |
| SridarK | mickeys: this is something that we definitely figure out - | 00:24 |
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| SridarK | i am still on the wall | 00:24 |
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| reedip | keeping backward compatibility wont help much I guess | 00:25 |
| SridarK | On Fri of summit - xgerman & I also had a conversation with Alex from HP who also discussed the move to lbaas v2 | 00:25 |
| reedip | in terms of Client side implementation | 00:25 |
| SridarK | so some careful thought into that | 00:25 |
| xgerman | yeah, in lbaasv2 most vendors adapted but we still don’t have heat nor horizon despite the API being out two cycles | 00:26 |
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| SridarK | I was thinking of pinging vendor implementors for their comments and thoughts as well | 00:26 |
| SridarK | at least the ones i am familiar with | 00:26 |
| mickeys | For example, the firewall rules table currently has source_ip_address and destination_ip_address that are marked as "deprecated" in the description. If we are not trying for backwards compatibility, we can remove them. | 00:27 |
| SridarK | so we have a migration plan in place | 00:27 |
| reedip | That would clear up some use cases | 00:27 |
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| xgerman | since vendor support is key I think we need to hear from them before making the final call | 00:27 |
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| xgerman | #action SridarK to talk to vendors and report | 00:28 |
| mickeys | With LBaaS, does user provisioning through LBaaS v1 stay as v1? Or does it automatically migrate to LBaaS v2? | 00:28 |
| xgerman | it stays v1 | 00:28 |
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| xgerman | there are two different things bu only one can run | 00:29 |
| s3wong | for LBaaS, I thought the API endpoint itself was different? | 00:29 |
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| mickeys | Can you use both API endpoints at the same time, depending on user provisioning? | 00:29 |
| xgerman | yep, that, two | 00:29 |
| xgerman | no, only one endpoint — they use the same database (and V2 has different columns in the v1 tables) | 00:30 |
| xgerman | so two endpoints one DB which interprets columns differently depending if v2 or v1 | 00:31 |
| xgerman | which means only one can run | 00:31 |
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| reedip | would devstack implementation change , i.e. a new extension created for v2? ( or maybe I am thinking too far) | 00:31 |
| xgerman | but even if you can run both in parallel I think that would just create some mess | 00:31 |
| mickeys | What happens to user provisioning done using v1, if the controller migrates to v2? | 00:31 |
| xgerman | I think we will just replace the existing one | 00:31 |
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| sc68cal | fwaas never went past experimental status, also it didn't have an API version | 00:32 |
| xgerman | all the v1 stuff is lost | 00:32 |
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| SridarK | reedip: i think devstack implications are not an issue now | 00:32 |
| reedip | so I am thinking too far | 00:32 |
| sc68cal | iirc | 00:32 |
| s3wong | mickeys: in that case, the new v2 backend would not be reading the v1 db entries | 00:32 |
| xgerman | well, it would and trip over itself... | 00:33 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: yes that is correct | 00:33 |
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| xgerman | then also even if you an migrate people like that to be hot so... | 00:33 |
| xgerman | anyhow I am with sc68cal we just replace the existing thing with the new thing and maybe offer a migration tool | 00:34 |
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| sc68cal | we'll do our best, basically. But the previous API wasn't versioned | 00:34 |
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| xgerman | yeah,I think since it was experimental we can just replace it with little notice | 00:35 |
| SridarK | yes and we can think thru a migration plan | 00:35 |
| xgerman | yep, people who use experimental features should understand the risk | 00:35 |
| reedip | ^ +1 | 00:36 |
| SridarK | xgerman: that is what i though when i added the router extension, but i was asked to come up with migration on my patch | 00:36 |
| xgerman | yep, I am pretty sure the people I answer to will ask for the same ;-) | 00:36 |
| SridarK | but yes now we have more flexibility, my point was to make sure we dont surprise anybody and hopefully we can get vendors to sign up for any refactoring if needed | 00:37 |
| mickeys | Should we try to minimize the rules table? Remove source_ip_address and destination_ip_address and source_address_group and destination_address_group in favor of source_firewall_group and destination_firewall_group? | 00:37 |
| mickeys | Should we go straight to service_group, removing protocol, source_port, and destination_port? | 00:38 |
| xgerman | yes | 00:38 |
| xgerman | + yes | 00:38 |
| Aish | +1 | 00:38 |
| reedip | In favor | 00:38 |
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| SridarK | I am fine as well, but can we code this up for M as well ? | 00:38 |
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| mickeys | If we move to neutron_classifier, a fair amount of this gets ripped up anyways | 00:40 |
| mickeys | at DB. Reference implementation is another issue. | 00:40 |
| sc68cal | let's try and keep this managable | 00:40 |
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| sc68cal | my concern is trying to squeeze everything in, and I don't know if service groups is really a must have in the first iteration thing | 00:41 |
| sc68cal | obviously it's a feature we want to have - but do we need to do it at the beginning | 00:41 |
| SridarK | the classifiers is also WIP if i am not mistaken | 00:42 |
| sc68cal | oh believe me it is :) | 00:42 |
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| s3wong | not holding my breath on the common flow classifier | 00:42 |
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| mickeys | The structure of the classifier is pretty different between flat and service groups | 00:42 |
| xgerman | +1 | 00:43 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: my concern too, lets have the full plan but stage it so we come out of M with something working | 00:43 |
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| xgerman | it also depends on how many people will be working on stuff | 00:43 |
| xgerman | and whatever we do will be held together by chewing gum and duct tape | 00:44 |
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| jwarendt | Duct tape can fix a lot of ills. | 00:45 |
| SridarK | My life story :-) | 00:45 |
| mickeys | So is the consensus yes on moving to source_firewall_group and destination_firewall_group, but don't force service_group just yet? | 00:46 |
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| xgerman | I think we should get the interface to vendors relatively stable | 00:46 |
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| xgerman | in the beginning - so getting most of the models in would be good | 00:47 |
| SridarK | mickeys: i would lean that way, the highest priority being applying on ports, next how do we resolve SG and FWaaS on VM port and next address groups | 00:47 |
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| reedip | I would prefer the staging proposed by SridarK | 00:47 |
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| sc68cal | as would I | 00:48 |
| xgerman | my worry is if we introduce big changes to the model the next few cycles vendors will stop supporting us | 00:48 |
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| xgerman | so dish out the pain in the beginning | 00:48 |
| SridarK | Caution - i am only talking in terms of implementation, i agree we should lay out the full plan in the spec | 00:48 |
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| sc68cal | what vendors support us currently | 00:49 |
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| sc68cal | our driver list is fairly small | 00:49 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: i believe we have 5 | 00:50 |
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| xgerman | in my (limited) experience vendors like to write a driver and then forget about it | 00:51 |
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| xgerman | but I am not a vendor so second guessing... | 00:52 |
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| sc68cal | we currently have two 3rd party CIs that report - both fail | 00:52 |
| sc68cal | brocade-ci-fwaas | 00:52 |
| sc68cal | ngfw-test | 00:52 |
| SridarK | cisco has been flaky as well | 00:53 |
| xgerman | that strengthens my set-and-forget argument | 00:53 |
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| sc68cal | so - we'll do our best to have migration strategy and not disrupt vendors | 00:54 |
| SridarK | xgerman: my concern is more abt how many bodies we will have to do all the things we need to do in the remaining time in M | 00:54 |
| sc68cal | but, without CI for these vendor drivers, stuff will break | 00:54 |
| xgerman | yep, I hear you… and I am ok with slipping M to have more vendor buy-in | 00:54 |
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| reedip | SridarK , xgerman : Maybe first break down the implementation, after you have had a discussion with the vendors, and then as per the possible action items, take a roll call in the next IRC meeting ( or whenever) as to who can do what | 00:55 |
| xgerman | let’s agree on the API first ;-) | 00:55 |
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| reedip | That would allow the possible identification of the targets and their implementation dates | 00:55 |
| xgerman | reddip +1 | 00:55 |
| xgerman | reedip +1 | 00:55 |
| SridarK | reedip: +1 | 00:56 |
| s3wong | 4 minutes | 00:56 |
| SridarK | but let this not derail our API | 00:56 |
| xgerman | yeah, we can always make a bigger spec and then break it down insnatges | 00:56 |
| xgerman | so mickeys let’s put service groups in | 00:56 |
| SridarK | xgerman: yes my point too | 00:57 |
| SridarK | may be we think of this as a parent spec | 00:57 |
| xgerman | cool | 00:57 |
| xgerman | yeah, it took us like two or three cycles to implement octavia 0.5 | 00:57 |
| mickeys | But leave protocol, source_port, dest_port since we are not sure we will get service groups right away, and the impact on vendors may be larger if we remove them? | 00:57 |
| xgerman | let’s keep them and mark them as deprecated | 00:58 |
| reedip | mickeys : and mark them deprecated ( I think they already are, but if they are not) | 00:58 |
| s3wong | FWaaS specs go to Neutron spec repo, right? | 00:58 |
| mickeys | +1 | 00:58 |
| mickeys | s3wong: yes | 00:58 |
| SridarK | mickeys: yes and for addresses -> we move to groups ? | 00:58 |
| sc68cal | 1 minute | 00:59 |
| s3wong | I don't know if big parent / ambitious specs can be in for per-release spec repo... | 00:59 |
| xgerman | SridarK yes | 00:59 |
| mickeys | We have to do the work for groups anyways. If you do not support firewall groups in rules, you do not support FWaaS 2.0 | 00:59 |
| mickeys | So I think it is simpler to minimize the table on that one | 00:59 |
| xgerman | +1 | 00:59 |
| xgerman | s3wong things slip all the time... | 00:59 |
| xgerman | so I am not too worried | 01:00 |
| xgerman | ok, time ism out | 01:00 |
| Aish | Ok, I shall remove source_ip_address and destination_ip_address and source_address_group and destination_address_group from rules table. | 01:00 |
| sc68cal | Aish: no. | 01:00 |
| Aish | oh, did i get it wrong? | 01:00 |
| sc68cal | ok, we're out of time. Let's try and resync tomorrow | 01:00 |
| xgerman | k | 01:01 |
| SridarK | or on gerrit | 01:01 |
| Aish | kok. | 01:01 |
| xgerman | #endmeeting | 01:01 |
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| yushiro | bye | 01:01 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 12 01:01:12 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-11-12-00.00.html | 01:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-11-12-00.00.txt | 01:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-11-12-00.00.log.html | 01:01 |
| annp | Bye | 01:01 |
| reedip | tc | 01:01 |
| s3wong | bye | 01:01 |
| SridarK | Bye | 01:01 |
| xgerman | bye | 01:01 |
| mickeys | bye | 01:01 |
| jwarendt | bye | 01:01 |
| Aish | bye | 01:01 |
| hoangcx | Bye all and have a nice day :-) | 01:01 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 12 15:00:38 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
| dustins | \o | 15:00 |
| JayXu | hello | 15:00 |
| xyang1 | hi | 15:00 |
| ganso | hello | 15:00 |
| u_glide1 | hello | 15:00 |
| markstur__ | hello | 15:01 |
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| Zhongjun | hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | long agenda today | 15:01 |
| bswartz | I saw a lot of agenda updates in the last 4 hours ;-) | 15:01 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:01 |
| JayXu | first topic I submitted. :) | 15:01 |
| ameade | o/ | 15:01 |
| JayXu | in the last minute | 15:02 |
| bswartz | no announcements today so let's get going | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | #topic Which method is better for Manila QoS | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Which method is better for Manila QoS (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:02 | |
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| bswartz | zhongjun: you're up | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/477677/ | 15:03 |
| Zhongjun | link http://paste.openstack.org/show/477677/ | 15:03 |
| bswartz | wow paste.openstack.org is ultra slow this morning | 15:03 |
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| ameade | I'd like to note that at the summit folks were leaning towards #2 but I don't think we all clearly understood the downsides | 15:04 |
| Zhongjun | yes, ameade show some different in this link. | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | yeah #2 is what I proposed | 15:04 |
| bswartz | I'm not convinced that it's worth the extra complexity in Manila to make it easy to share a common qos spec between share types | 15:05 |
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| ameade | if we do #2, then the complexity for handling share types as an admin is harder...that i think we all understand | 15:05 |
| ameade | but in order for #2 to work | 15:05 |
| bswartz | we have no data on the relative number of share types and qos specs deployers actually use | 15:06 |
| ameade | we need a way to have netapp_iops=10 OR hwawei_iops=20 | 15:06 |
| bswartz | and I don't see why qos-related extra specs are more deserving a reusable wrapper than other extra specs | 15:06 |
| ameade | we would also need to have extra specs that are values and not just bools | 15:06 |
| toabctl | hey | 15:06 |
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| ameade | for the min_ and max_ stuff | 15:06 |
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| markstur__ | re-usable spec groups sounds useful | 15:07 |
| ameade | as an admin, i would love to have a single qos group that means gold and has what that means for all vendors i support | 15:07 |
| bswartz | markstur__: if we go down that path, I would perfer something more generic, such as inheritable share types or something | 15:07 |
| cknight | bswartz: +1 | 15:08 |
| ganso | bswartz: +1 | 15:08 |
| markstur__ | bswartz: +1 | 15:08 |
| jasonsb | inheritable share types sounds more sympathetic to programmatic discovery | 15:08 |
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| jasonsb | or programmatic in general | 15:08 |
| ameade | i'd prefer having multiple share types over inheritable maybe | 15:08 |
| ameade | or share type bundles | 15:08 |
| ameade | inheritance sucks | 15:08 |
| bswartz | okay but can we agree that inheritable share types is a totally separate enhancement on top of basic qos extra spec support? | 15:08 |
| ameade | yeah i agree with that | 15:09 |
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| ganso | bswartz: +1 | 15:09 |
| bswartz | I'd like to get qos working, then come back and focus on the management complexity | 15:09 |
| ameade | we still need a way to do ORs and ranges | 15:09 |
| bswartz | ameade: example? | 15:09 |
| cknight | why do you need a range if you can use min/max values? | 15:10 |
| ameade | cknight: i mean, wouldn't that mean the driver reports a range? | 15:10 |
| cknight | ameade: not sure I see the difference | 15:11 |
| ganso | ameade: quite the opposite the way I understand, the type specifies a range, the driver reports a value | 15:11 |
| cknight | ganso: +1 | 15:11 |
| bswartz | I think we're starting to discuss something else -- which is more like performance capacity based scheduling | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | that's an interesting topic, but not the same as QoS (IMO) | 15:12 |
| ameade | both do ranges? | 15:12 |
| ameade | bswartz: so the need for OR is so i can specify qos values for 2+ vendors in a single share type | 15:12 |
| bswartz | the most basic form of qos is a throttle | 15:12 |
| bswartz | for a throttle, the admin just specifies a number and the backend implements it | 15:12 |
| ameade | otherwise even with only 2 vendors the number of share_types explodes | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | ameade: I'm not sure I see why | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | your paste shows how to do 2 vendors in one share type -- it seems trivial to extend to 3 | 15:13 |
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| ameade | that example wouldnt work because it would try to find a backend that matches both netapp_iops and huawei_iops no? | 15:14 |
| bswartz | no | 15:14 |
| bswartz | in reality we'd used scoped keys | 15:14 |
| bswartz | so the filter scheduler would never see them | 15:14 |
| bswartz | I would edit your paste if it were possible | 15:15 |
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| ameade | so we still need to know backend capable of applying those qos values | 15:15 |
| bswartz | we should use a wiki for qos design not paste | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | we can agree on one common extra specs -- qos_support = True/False | 15:15 |
| bswartz | that's what you would filter on | 15:16 |
| ameade | so it's all or nothing for qos support? | 15:16 |
| bswartz | well part of the agreement would be to define EXACTLY what it means | 15:16 |
| bswartz | and document that definition | 15:16 |
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| ameade | so any vendor who has a unique qos thing they can provide is out of the picture? | 15:16 |
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| ganso | if the most common production approach is something similar as to "bronze, silver, gold, platinum", then for each type the admin would specify QoS ranges that fit those share type standards | 15:16 |
| bswartz | we would have to agree on what the basic requirement is for qos support | 15:16 |
| cknight | ameade: no, you can just use vendor-specific scoped keys | 15:16 |
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| ameade | cknight: and report vendor specific qos capabilities? | 15:17 |
| ganso | in order to implement OR, I think we need a QoS spec group... because no backend can match both huwawei and netapp QoS extra specs | 15:17 |
| bswartz | cknight: I think what ameade is getting at is that if we use unscoped keys for filtering, like netapp_qos_support and huawei_qos_support, then your share type needs to have an OR expression | 15:17 |
| cknight | bswartz: thanks, I get it | 15:18 |
| bswartz | that's why I'd be in favor of a common capability for the basic qos_support | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | but the unscoped keys can be vendor specific because the scheduler never sees them anyways | 15:18 |
| bswartz | s/unscoped/scoped/ | 15:18 |
| bswartz | I like the idea of inheritable share types of some way to bundle multiple types -- we should discuss that later on | 15:19 |
| ameade | so my huawei backend could report qos_support = true but my share type has all netapp qos specs | 15:19 |
| ameade | so it ends up on huawei but doesnt apply anything | 15:19 |
| bswartz | ameade: I think we could agree on some common extra specs for throttling too | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | like max_read_bps and max_write_bps | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | for other things, they would need to be vendor specific and we'd just have to document how to avoid doing the wrong thing | 15:20 |
| ameade | sounds like we need to flesh out the design for option #2 in the paste to think about these corner cases | 15:21 |
| bswartz | I really don't see this being a huge problem in practice | 15:21 |
| ameade | which is method one in | 15:21 |
| ameade | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/QoS | 15:21 |
| bswartz | clouds with multiple storage vendors are rare, and when they exist it's even more rare to have a share type that covers 2 or more vendors -- typically people create different share types for each backend vendor | 15:22 |
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| ameade | bswartz: I think that last point is a problem in itself tbh | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | Zhongjun: I'm sorry we don't seem to be getting closer to a decision here | 15:23 |
| bswartz | we might need to schedule a working session to get qos hammered out | 15:23 |
| ameade | +1 | 15:23 |
| bswartz | I dont' want to take up the whole meeting with qos though because we have other business | 15:23 |
| ameade | and if someone has the bandwidth to design what 'method 1' would need to look like exactly | 15:23 |
| Zhongjun | bswartz: It's ok | 15:23 |
| bswartz | I'd like to see more detailed example of what it should look like in the real world | 15:24 |
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| bswartz | ameade's paste is a good start, but we need more examples that support a particular design or show why a particular design has problems | 15:25 |
| ameade | +1 | 15:25 |
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| bswartz | and right now I'm less concerned with administrator quality of life and more concerned with whether we can even implement something that makes sense | 15:25 |
| bswartz | I think we can come back and solve manageability issues after we have a design that makes sense | 15:25 |
| bswartz | Let's use the ML to continue discussing this one | 15:26 |
| ameade | just want to make sure we don't pigeon hole ourselves | 15:26 |
| bswartz | and I will try to schedule a specific time next week to discuss qos | 15:26 |
| ameade | +1 | 15:26 |
| bswartz | #topic Manila DR update | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | ameade: this one's your | 15:26 |
| ameade | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238572/ | 15:26 |
| bswartz | yours | 15:26 |
| ameade | haven't gotten any reviews but i have a couple things to run by folks in the meeting | 15:27 |
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| ameade | at the summit we agreed that we need a first party driver implementation of DR to run in the gate | 15:27 |
| bswartz | ameade: yes | 15:27 |
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| ameade | i want to know if we should do that in the current generic driver or if we were going to have another generic driver soon | 15:27 |
| ameade | and who can do that work and do we need it right away | 15:28 |
| ameade | while the api is experimental | 15:28 |
| bswartz | ameade: there are 2 new first party drivers in development -- both should have reviewable code | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | I honestly don't know if it would be easier to build replication support in the existing generic driver or one of the new ones | 15:29 |
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| bswartz | at the very least, replication support would create additional dependencies in the driver | 15:29 |
| bswartz | so it would need to be optional | 15:29 |
| bswartz | the 2 most promising approaches I'm aware of are: | 15:30 |
| cknight | bswartz: I'm very hesitant to continue investing in the current generic driver | 15:30 |
| ganso | I don't know of the implementation details of DR, but wouldn't it make more sense to use Cinder to replicate in the current generic driver since it uses Cinder... as soon as Cinder implements DR properly... | 15:30 |
| bswartz | 1) block layer replication using DRBD, and using a filesystem which support replication on top of it | 15:30 |
| ameade | is this something we want in one of these drivers right away in Mitaka? | 15:30 |
| bswartz | and 2) filesystem layer replication, using ZFS | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | ganso: cinder's replication semantics are too weak for us to use them, even if it was working today (it's not) | 15:31 |
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| jasonsb | maybe 3) filesystem layer replication, using glusterfs? | 15:31 |
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| bswartz | the advantage to a DRBD solution is that we could do active/active | 15:32 |
| bswartz | the ZFS-based approach would be active/passive for sure, but could probably implement "readable" semantics rather than "dr" | 15:32 |
| ameade | if we do active/active then it can test promote :P | 15:32 |
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| ameade | cant* | 15:32 |
| bswartz | ameade: maybe we should just do both then | 15:33 |
| toabctl | DRBD is also relativly simple to setup | 15:33 |
| bswartz | jasonsb: I'm not familiar enough with glusterfs to know what it can do, replication-wise | 15:33 |
| jasonsb | bswartz: i can check on it and give some more details on how suitable | 15:34 |
| bswartz | I'd be happy to hear about additional proposals for replication in a first-party driver | 15:34 |
| bswartz | especially if it's less work to get it up and running | 15:34 |
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| ameade | ok so design aside, is it ok to just require this for when we transition off of experimental? | 15:35 |
| csaba | bswartz: wrt. glusterfs: I'm not familiar with state of the art either, but can check about | 15:35 |
| bswartz | toabctl: I hope you're right -- do you have any interest in writing a prototype? | 15:35 |
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| ameade | or is it something we need right away (obviously sooner is better)? | 15:35 |
| cknight | bswartz: so this could be in *any* of the drivers that run in the gate (gluster, generic, ceph, hdfs, etc.), right? | 15:35 |
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| bswartz | ameade: I'm of 2 minds about that -- part of me thinks we need a first party implementation before it can merge, but then I can also imagine merging it as experimental and adding support in a first party driver afterwards | 15:37 |
| toabctl | bswartz: interest yes, but no time. next SUSE cloud release is on the agenda currently. sorry | 15:37 |
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| bswartz | I'd like to hear more opinions on that | 15:37 |
| bswartz | toabctl: okay I understand | 15:37 |
| cknight | bswartz: I'd say it cannot leave the experimental state until it's tested in the gate. | 15:37 |
| ameade | bswartz: same, it definitely can't be promoted from experimental without it, i think we all agree there | 15:37 |
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| ameade | * time check, 23min left * | 15:38 |
| bswartz | ameade: you're okay with moving on? | 15:38 |
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| ameade | yeah for now, we can revisit later | 15:38 |
| bswartz | #topic Manila Driver minimum requirements document update | 15:38 |
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| bswartz | ganso: you're up | 15:38 |
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| ganso | ok so, it seems the last issue remaining in the document is that we are not sure if manage feature is mandatory or not in DHSS=False mode | 15:39 |
| bswartz | ganso: I think we agreed that it's optional | 15:39 |
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| ganso | we know it is not mandatory in general, because the driver can implement DHSS=True mode and not have to worry about this | 15:39 |
| ganso | but if the driver operates in DHSS=False, does it have to implement manage? | 15:40 |
| bswartz | there's confusion about what not supporting it means, so we should be very clear that drivers don't need to implement anything | 15:40 |
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| ganso | also, Valeriy questioned that if all drivers can implement this, then this should be mandatory for DHSS=False mode... | 15:41 |
| ganso | I agree with him, for interoperability | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | so it's an admin-only feature, so interoperability is less critical | 15:41 |
| bswartz | and even for drivers that support it, it's allowed to fail for arbitrary reasons | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | therefore even if we made it mandatory, a driver could simply always fail and still meet the contract of the driver interface | 15:42 |
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| markstur__ | that sounds optional | 15:42 |
| bswartz | thus it's silly to make it mandatory | 15:42 |
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| ganso | humm ok, so it is completely optional, even in DHSS=False... I will update the document | 15:42 |
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| bswartz | yes I think that's what we said in tokyo | 15:43 |
| cknight | ganso: thanks for handling this document! | 15:43 |
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| bswartz | fwiw this is not a change in thinking, but just a change in how we communicate to driver maintainers | 15:43 |
| markstur__ | +1 thanks | 15:43 |
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| bswartz | we've always known that drivers can get away with a noop implementaiton so it's effectively optional | 15:44 |
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| bswartz | #topic Manila Data Copy service name | 15:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Manila Data Copy service name (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:44 | |
| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244286/ | 15:44 |
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| bswartz | so thanks to ganso for starting work on the new data copy service | 15:44 |
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| bswartz | the proposed named was manila-data_copy which is gross for 2 reasons (mixing hypens and underscores, and it's 2 words instead of 1) | 15:45 |
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| bswartz | I prefer manila-data, or m-dat for short | 15:45 |
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| bswartz | but I'm soliciting other ideas | 15:45 |
| bswartz | we don't need to spend much time on this -- please use the code review to register feedback | 15:45 |
| bswartz | I just wanted to raise awareness that we need to choose a name | 15:46 |
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| ganso | I already changed to m-dat and manila-data | 15:46 |
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| ganso | if we all agree to this, then it is decided | 15:46 |
| cknight | bswartz: +1 on needing another name. your suggestion seems a good starting point for a service in the control plan that must access backends on the data plane. | 15:46 |
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| bswartz | ganso: thanks -- I want to know if anyone else has better/different ideas | 15:46 |
| bswartz | if everyone is fine with manila-data, then we're done | 15:47 |
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| bswartz | #toic Upcoming change for Manila CI hooks | 15:47 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: you're up | 15:47 |
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| xyang1 | is he on irc today | 15:47 |
| bswartz | oh vponomaryov isn't here | 15:48 |
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| bswartz | must be connection issues | 15:48 |
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| bswartz | he added this topic right before the meeting | 15:48 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: hello! | 15:48 |
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| bswartz | it's time for your topic | 15:48 |
| vponomaryov | sorry, missed the timings | 15:48 |
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| vponomaryov | so, this topic is about head up for driver maintainers | 15:49 |
| vponomaryov | and theirs Third-party CIs | 15:49 |
| bswartz | oh yes I remember this | 15:49 |
| vponomaryov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243233/ | 15:49 |
| bswartz | yeah this change has the potential to break CI systems, depending on how they're implemented | 15:50 |
| vponomaryov | first reason - we use fixed version of Tempest and our plugin is updated from time to time, so we store value in manila CI hooks | 15:50 |
| bswartz | most of them should be fine (as we can see from the votes) | 15:50 |
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| bswartz | CI maintainers should take a closer look at this one, and after it merges make sure they're not broken | 15:51 |
| vponomaryov | and to ease sync for all third-party CIs common parts are being separated to another file | 15:51 |
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| bswartz | any questions on this? | 15:51 |
| vponomaryov | and now is right time to make updates to Third-party CIs to support both - old and new approach | 15:52 |
| ganso | new approach is much better :) | 15:52 |
| bswartz | ganso: agreed | 15:52 |
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| bswartz | #topic Manilaclient enhancement to provide request_id when set http_log_debug is True | 15:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Manilaclient enhancement to provide request_id when set http_log_debug is True (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:52 | |
| bswartz | JayXu: you're up | 15:52 |
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| JayXu | we are refactoring our component test | 15:53 |
| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243233/ | 15:53 |
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| JayXu | and find that there is no way to correlate the failed request with its id | 15:53 |
| bswartz | err | 15:54 |
| bswartz | wrong link | 15:54 |
| JayXu | so I propose to add request_id into http resp body | 15:54 |
| bswartz | the agenda got screwed up | 15:54 |
| JayXu | http://paste.openstack.org/show/478675/ | 15:54 |
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| JayXu | any comment on that? | 15:54 |
| xyang1 | there is a cross project effort to add request id to response data, may be related to this | 15:55 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: just update page ) | 15:55 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: *refresh | 15:55 |
| bswartz | JayXu: was there a cross project discussion about this in tokyo? | 15:55 |
| xyang1 | let me dig out some info | 15:55 |
| JayXu | no | 15:55 |
| bswartz | I think it's a good idea -- especially if it can be done cheaply | 15:55 |
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| JayXu | I just got it this week when I tried to update my component test cases | 15:56 |
| xyang1 | I have a link, give me a sec | 15:56 |
| bswartz | when I first heard about this idea I wondered if it would require much code to track the ID everywhere we want to log it | 15:56 |
| jasonsb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Mitaka_Cross_Project_Logging | 15:56 |
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| jasonsb | no spec yet i think | 15:56 |
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| bswartz | I'm sure QA guys and deployers/troubleshooters would be thrilled to have this though | 15:57 |
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| xyang1 | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-cinderclient/+spec/return-request-id-to-caller | 15:57 |
| bswartz | it might even enable some cool scripting to tie together log files | 15:57 |
| xyang1 | there is also an oslo spec | 15:58 |
| bswartz | xyang1: thanks | 15:58 |
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| bswartz | JayXu: if you haven't seen these, I suggest reading them and making sure the proposal for Manila fits in with what others are doing | 15:58 |
| JayXu | okay, thx | 15:59 |
| bswartz | it sounds like a good idea, but we should be consistent with our approach | 15:59 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:59 | |
| bswartz | only 1 minute left | 15:59 |
| bswartz | anyone have a last minute topic? | 15:59 |
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| bswartz | we need to followup on both qos open items and replication open items | 15:59 |
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| bswartz | let's use the ML for those | 16:00 |
| bswartz | thanks everyone | 16:00 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 12 16:00:22 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-11-12-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-11-12-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-11-12-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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| kozhukalov_ | #startmeeting Fuel | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 12 16:01:26 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kozhukalov_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:01 |
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| kozhukalov_ | hey guys | 16:01 |
| ikalnitsky | o/ | 16:01 |
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| sbog | hey | 16:01 |
| yottatsa | hi! | 16:01 |
| Damjanek | Hi | 16:01 |
| kozhukalov_ | agenda as usual | 16:01 |
| xenolog13 | \~/ | 16:01 |
| monester | hi | 16:01 |
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| angdraug | o/ | 16:01 |
| fzhadaev | Hi | 16:01 |
| kozhukalov_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:01 |
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| ashtokolov | hi | 16:02 |
| rvyalov | hi | 16:02 |
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| kozhukalov_ | #topic Action Items from last meeting | 16:02 |
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| kozhukalov_ | dklenov will figure out the current status of persistent interface naming (ubuntu bootstrap) | 16:02 |
| kozhukalov_ | dklenov around? | 16:02 |
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| fzhadaev | Ok. I think I will | 16:02 |
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| fzhadaev | And... AFAIK Persistent interface naming task is now in progress by ashtokolov. | 16:03 |
| mwhahaha | hi | 16:03 |
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| mattymo | hi | 16:03 |
| aderyugin | 0/ | 16:03 |
| kozhukalov_ | fzhadaev, has the spec been merged? | 16:03 |
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| fzhadaev | No AFAIK | 16:04 |
| fzhadaev | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/236848/ | 16:04 |
| kozhukalov_ | tests failed | 16:05 |
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| kozhukalov_ | asyriy ashtokolov please make sure this spec passes tests | 16:05 |
| ikalnitsky | fzhadaev: are we going to implement this spec in 8.0 ? | 16:05 |
| kozhukalov_ | ok, moving on | 16:06 |
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| kozhukalov_ | vkramskikh will review the spec https://review.openstack.org/241202 to make sure everything is clear and it is enough info | 16:06 |
| vkramskikh | hi, the spec is still not populated with instructions from asilenkov and didn't have +1 from CI until the last moment. will review when it's close to reviewable state | 16:06 |
| fzhadaev | ikalnitsky: I think it sholud be done in current iteration | 16:06 |
| kozhukalov_ | ci guys, could you please help to review and discuss this spec | 16:07 |
| kozhukalov_ | asilenkov, around? | 16:07 |
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| angdraug | bookwar: ^ | 16:07 |
| kozhukalov_ | could you please give the necessary instructions in the spec? | 16:08 |
| angdraug | spec says "Infra impact: none", is that really true? | 16:08 |
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| cfouts | hi | 16:08 |
| kozhukalov_ | kozhukalov will review all requests in fuel-main | 16:08 |
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| kozhukalov_ | not all of them but many of them have been reviewed since last meeting | 16:09 |
| ashtokolov | folks, fyi: enhancements team is working only on nailgun and nailgun-agent support for new interface naming | 16:09 |
| kozhukalov_ | nurla will poke tatyana or someone else to review all requests in fuel-ostf | 16:09 |
| kozhukalov_ | nurla, around? | 16:09 |
| kozhukalov_ | monester will make sure that people from MAINTAINERS are added as reviewers automatically | 16:09 |
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| kozhukalov_ | monester, could you please give any comments on this task? | 16:10 |
| angdraug | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1497655 | 16:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1497655 in Fuel for OpenStack "Add reviewers automatically based on MAINTAINERS data" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Alexander Charykov (acharykov) | 16:10 |
| monester | Script to add reviews is ready, now I need to integrate it with our repos using jenkins or try to add a hook to the openstack gerrit. Also I can't find spec with fixed format of MAINTAINERS file, so I make it compatible with files from fuel-* repos. | 16:10 |
| angdraug | looks like not done | 16:10 |
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| monester | review https://review.fuel-infra.org/#/c/12228/ | 16:11 |
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| monester | mihgen is there any spec with fixed format of MAINTAINERS file? | 16:12 |
| angdraug | there's no spec for the format, if you come up with a formal definition of it lets add it to http://specs.fuel-infra.org/fuel-specs-master/policy/team-structure.html | 16:12 |
| kozhukalov_ | monester any eta on when jenkins-jobs patches will be ready? | 16:12 |
| ikalnitsky | angdraug: +1. let's fix format in team structure | 16:12 |
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| monester | I want to try integrate it as a hook in gerrit, so not to checkout repos every time which would be done by jenkins | 16:13 |
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| kozhukalov_ | zuul? | 16:13 |
| monester | so there I need help from openstack-infra team, I'll try to point out this question with them | 16:14 |
| angdraug | why zuul? | 16:14 |
| kozhukalov_ | angdraug, i don't know, why not? | 16:14 |
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| angdraug | igorbelikov bookwar: can you folks help monester with his gerrit hook problem? | 16:14 |
| monester | right now you can review the script | 16:15 |
| kozhukalov_ | zuul is a standard tool to listen gerrit events and run jenkins jobs? | 16:15 |
| kozhukalov_ | right? | 16:15 |
| igorbelikov | angdraug sure | 16:15 |
| angdraug | zuul listens to merge events | 16:15 |
| bookwar | kozhukalov the point here is not to run jenkins job at all | 16:15 |
| igorbelikov | kozhukalov_ zuul is not suited for this task | 16:15 |
| bookwar | but do all changes server side on Gerrit | 16:15 |
| kozhukalov_ | ok, maybe i am wrong | 16:15 |
| kozhukalov_ | moving on? | 16:16 |
| bookwar | so we need to discuss option to install this gerrit hook with Openstack Infra | 16:16 |
| bookwar | yes, let's move on | 16:16 |
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| kozhukalov_ | first topic we've just discussed | 16:16 |
| kozhukalov_ | #topic external snapshots in fuel-devops https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/system-test-external-snapshots (akaszuba) | 16:16 |
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| angdraug | akaszuba is not around, lets push this to next week | 16:17 |
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| kozhukalov_ | ok | 16:17 |
| kozhukalov_ | #topic Telco Team Status (fzhadaev) | 16:17 |
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| fzhadaev | Telko team is continue work on Ubuntu bootstrap feature. Here is the current status: | 16:17 |
| fzhadaev | 1) Fuel menu was changed. All commits are merged. | 16:17 |
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| fzhadaev | 2) Bootstrap creation script enhancements - all basic functionality is done, but some of commits are still in active review and testing stage. | 16:17 |
| fzhadaev | 3) Nailgun-agent enhancement - add ability to collect information about loaded bootstrap image uuid. Commit is on review. | 16:17 |
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| fzhadaev | 4) Work on CLI for bootstrap images management was started. | 16:18 |
| fzhadaev | 5) Work on changes related to fuel-library was started. | 16:18 |
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| fzhadaev | 6) Fuel menu and bootstrap image modifications were shown on demo. According to feedback that was received during demo it was decided to: | 16:18 |
| fzhadaev | 6.1) Do not delete CentOS bootstrap image, but use Ubuntu by default. | 16:18 |
| fzhadaev | 6.2) Make additional changes in fuel menu for better User Experience. | 16:18 |
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| kozhukalov_ | fzhadaev, 1) including pbr? | 16:18 |
| fzhadaev | Nope. It wasn't related to BP | 16:18 |
| kozhukalov_ | 2) yes, we need to review, the ball is on our side | 16:19 |
| ikalnitsky | fzhadaev: so basically, we're building ubuntu bootstrap image during master node deployment ? and it's already in master, right? | 16:19 |
| kozhukalov_ | 3) we've just discussed this with alexey zvyagintsev | 16:19 |
| fzhadaev | ikalnitsky: nope. it's not merged now | 16:19 |
| kozhukalov_ | and agreed about how to do this | 16:19 |
| mihgen | fzdarsky: so when exactly image build happens? | 16:20 |
| mihgen | when we run puppet to install master node containers /configure them? | 16:20 |
| angdraug | fzhadaev: ^ | 16:20 |
| fzhadaev | mihgen: When all changes will be merged this will happen during master node deployment | 16:21 |
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| angdraug | mihgen is asking about which specific stage of master node deployment | 16:21 |
| kozhukalov_ | fzhadaev, ok, like it does now bootstrap-image-builder shell script, right? | 16:21 |
| fzhadaev | yes, but we'll have an ability to build images manualy after master node will be deployed | 16:22 |
| kozhukalov_ | fzhadaev, great | 16:22 |
| mihgen | do we expect our master node install time to be extended? if so, for how much? | 16:22 |
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| angdraug | can you skip this during master node deployment? | 16:22 |
| kozhukalov_ | i think that exactly what we need | 16:22 |
| fzhadaev | angdraug: yes | 16:22 |
| angdraug | is there an option to provide a pre-cooked image? | 16:22 |
| angdraug | any other way to make life easier in an environment without internet access? | 16:23 |
| ikalnitsky | if master node deployment time will be increased (and it should), we have to increase our timeouts in fuel-qa tests. | 16:23 |
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| angdraug | ikalnitsky: no, lets agree not to increase master node deployment time instead | 16:23 |
| angdraug | at least not in an automated test environment | 16:24 |
| kozhukalov_ | angdraug, why should we skip this? fuelmenu allows to choose the flavor of bootstrap image. if centos is choosen then we don't spend time for building image, if ubuntu, we should build | 16:24 |
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| fzhadaev | angdraug: we'll have an ability to skip building image aand import pre-builded image after master node will be deployed | 16:24 |
| ikalnitsky | how can you can achieve this? by placing pre-cooked image? | 16:24 |
| ikalnitsky | we anyway should do some tests that image could be automatically built during master node deployment | 16:24 |
| angdraug | +1 -- can this be triggered from fuel-qa? | 16:24 |
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| kozhukalov_ | fzhadaev, it is even better | 16:25 |
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| angdraug | if so, we can have just one fuel-qa test scenario where image build is tested during master node deploy | 16:25 |
| mihgen | time folks. fzhadaev - it should be in the spec, so please let us know where to look for all these answers | 16:25 |
| angdraug | and in all other scenarios, save time and upload a pre-build image | 16:25 |
| mattymo | we have verify that the image can be built too^ | 16:26 |
| mihgen | +1 to angdraug | 16:26 |
| mattymo | test coverage is important | 16:26 |
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| kozhukalov_ | ok, guys, i think the progress here is good and all the details can be discussed either in ML or chat | 16:26 |
| fzhadaev | spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229063/ | 16:26 |
| kozhukalov_ | moving on? | 16:26 |
| kozhukalov_ | #topic Enhancements Team Status (ashtokolov) | 16:27 |
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| ashtokolov | Enhancements weekly status: Inbox - 62(was 65), In progress - 12(was 12), On review - 23(was 25), QA - 15(was 17), Done - 24(was 16) | 16:27 |
| ashtokolov | Fix committed+Fix released = 39 (was 33) | 16:27 |
| ashtokolov | also we are working on new network naming | 16:27 |
| ashtokolov | support multiple floating ranges | 16:28 |
| ashtokolov | and openstack-ci integration | 16:28 |
| kozhukalov_ | ashtokolov, about persistent naming. are you following this spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/236848/ ? | 16:28 |
| mihgen | thanks ashtokolov, any work on enabling plugin after env is deployed? | 16:28 |
| ashtokolov | kozhukalov_ yes we do, Alexaner Gordeev and Vova Sharshov are reviewing it | 16:29 |
| kozhukalov_ | moving on? comments on plugin stuff? | 16:30 |
| ashtokolov | mihgen: we try to figure out what was made in this feature by mixed team | 16:30 |
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| ashtokolov | because it was in their backlog till last week... | 16:31 |
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| kozhukalov_ | #topic Mixed Team Status (damjanek) | 16:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mixed Team Status (damjanek) (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:31 | |
| Damjanek | Fuel Mixed team is currently working on feature which enables adjusting OpenStack configuration parameters in post-deployment phase: | 16:31 |
| Damjanek | 1. We have completed research on puppet modules idempotence - done. | 16:31 |
| Damjanek | 2. We've created puppet resource for handling configuration changes - merged. | 16:32 |
| Damjanek | 3. We're working on allowing to change config values via API and CLI - in development. | 16:32 |
| Damjanek | 4. We're working on keyston/nova/neutron granular tasks to allow configuration change - in development. | 16:32 |
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| Damjanek | s/keyston/keystone/ | 16:32 |
| kozhukalov_ | any q here? | 16:33 |
| yottatsa | Damjanek is there any bp? | 16:33 |
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| Damjanek | yottatsa: Yup. Here - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/239897/ | 16:33 |
| yottatsa | thnx | 16:33 |
| Damjanek | n/p | 16:33 |
| kozhukalov_ | Damjanek, thanks, moving on then | 16:33 |
| angdraug | so, enabling plugins after env is deployed? | 16:33 |
| angdraug | ashtokolov: Damjanek: can you sync up in #fuel-dev after the meeting? | 16:34 |
| Damjanek | angdraug: Sure thing | 16:34 |
| angdraug | lets move on then | 16:34 |
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| kozhukalov_ | #topic UI Team status (vkramskikh) | 16:35 |
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| vkramskikh | Hi! Here are the results of Iteration #2: | 16:35 |
| vkramskikh | - Multirack support: 1 of 3 stories merged, 2 stories left: support of node network groups on the networks tab (was moved to iteration #3) and view of all available nodes. We plan to complete both stories by the end of the next week. | 16:35 |
| vkramskikh | - Support IP ranges for all networks in UI - done | 16:35 |
| vkramskikh | - GUI support for Ironic - done, but still waiting to merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229879/ | 16:35 |
| vkramskikh | - Segment settings tab logically - was converted to an Epic and new stories were added as it seems it's not possible to segment the tab properly without splitting some existing groups. This will require update of puppet manifests - we'll reach for help from library guys after we update openstack.yaml. | 16:35 |
| vkramskikh | - Webpack - done, we finally got the new package with JS libraries merged after 6 week of being blocked. Though the process of its updating isn't established yet - we've filed another update request on Monday, and it's still not updated yet. That's sad - I thought it won't be taking more than 1-2 days. | 16:35 |
| vkramskikh | - Separate deployment and provisioning in UI - most likely will be moved out of 8.0 due to very poor quality of the backend | 16:35 |
| vkramskikh | For Iteration #3 we plan to finish Multirack support and Segment settings tab logically epics and also deliver support for bootstrap images and link to external plugin dashboards. Thanks. | 16:35 |
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| kozhukalov_ | webpack you mean npm bundle? | 16:37 |
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| vkramskikh | npm bundle is a prerequisuite for this quite big change | 16:37 |
| vkramskikh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219036/ | 16:37 |
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| angdraug | looks merged to me ) | 16:38 |
| vkramskikh | yes | 16:38 |
| vkramskikh | but we also wanted to establish the process | 16:38 |
| kozhukalov_ | aha, but it took a lot more than was expected | 16:38 |
| vkramskikh | for updating the bundle | 16:38 |
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| vkramskikh | and it seems the speed of updates isn't good enough | 16:38 |
| ikalnitsky | vkramskikh: you said "very poor quality of backend". | 16:39 |
| ikalnitsky | what's wrong with it? | 16:39 |
| vkramskikh | as the update request filed on monday is still not processed | 16:39 |
| vkramskikh | jaranovich: could you comment please? | 16:39 |
| ikalnitsky | do we have ticker or bp that should improve it? | 16:39 |
| jaranovich | yes | 16:39 |
| jaranovich | See the following issues with provisioning: | 16:39 |
| jaranovich | - no notification about finished provisioning on UI | 16:39 |
| jaranovich | - ready provisioning task has message = null, so there is nothing to show the user on UI after finished provisioning | 16:39 |
| jaranovich | - provisioned nodes has pending_addition flag = False, so user can not change node roles, disks, ifc configuration, or even delete from environment without depolyment | 16:39 |
| angdraug | vkramskikh: link to update request from monday? | 16:39 |
| vkramskikh | angdraug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1514512 | 16:40 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1514512 in Fuel for OpenStack "JS modules bundle needs to be updated" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Fuel build team (fuel-build) | 16:40 |
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| jaranovich | moreover, deployment of provisioned node(s) fails constantly | 16:40 |
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| jaranovich | >> Deployment has failed. Method granular_deploy. Deployment failed on nodes 1. | 16:40 |
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| jaranovich | this is an error message after failed deployment | 16:40 |
| kozhukalov_ | deployment fails constantly? sounds like a CRITICAL bug | 16:40 |
| jaranovich | was tested on ISOs | 16:41 |
| ikalnitsky | jaranovich: thanls. (1) and (2) second are easy to fix, and UI anyway shouldn't rely on these. but yeah (3), perhaps, we should manage our blags more precisely. | 16:41 |
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| ikalnitsky | jaranovich: but how that works from CLI then? | 16:41 |
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| angdraug | asilenkov: any comment on why your commits for bug linked by vkramskikh above are not merged yet? | 16:41 |
| ikalnitsky | i believe you guys doing something wrong, or in some unusual way. perhaps there's a bug and we should fix it, but the main case should work | 16:41 |
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| vkramskikh | jaranovich: could you please give ikalnitsky a link to the request? | 16:42 |
| vkramskikh | with UI change which calls provisioning separately | 16:42 |
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| jaranovich | i don't know about CLI but i can file a bug about failed deploy and attach logs there. Also, I use /api/clusters/x/provision/ url to launc provisioning process | 16:42 |
| jaranovich | is it Ok? | 16:42 |
| jaranovich | ikalnitsky: ^^ | 16:42 |
| ikalnitsky | it should.. but i think you have to pass a list of node there | 16:43 |
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| ikalnitsky | ok, let's move on | 16:43 |
| ikalnitsky | we can discuss the issue a bit later | 16:43 |
| angdraug | lets make sure there's a bug | 16:43 |
| ikalnitsky | thank you | 16:43 |
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| angdraug | and yes lets move on | 16:43 |
| jaranovich | thank you, will create a bug | 16:43 |
| kozhukalov_ | thanks guys | 16:43 |
| kozhukalov_ | #topic Multirack status (akasatkin) | 16:43 |
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| akasatkin | 3 stories were completed during last iteration: | 16:44 |
| akasatkin | 1. Make additional setup of dnsmasq on master node when admin network parameters are changed in any node network group. User should do that by hands now. | 16:44 |
| akasatkin | 2. It should be allowed to allocate VIP in any node group to allow proper separation of HA services into different nodes. | 16:44 |
| akasatkin | 3. Make it possible to set floating IP range from non-default node network group. So, it will be possible to deploy controller nodes in any node group. | 16:44 |
| akasatkin | The following is in progress now: | 16:45 |
| akasatkin | There is an ability to share network between several node network groups or to use separate L2/L3 parameters for each node network group. | 16:45 |
| akasatkin | We have limited resources so it seems that the following may be out of scope: | 16:45 |
| akasatkin | 1. It should be allowed to set user-defined IP for any VIP. This IP can even be out of any environment's networks. (It should be discussed how to reduce its scope.) | 16:45 |
| akasatkin | 2. There is a special case when network managed by dhcp (PXE network) needs VIPs to be assigned. IP addresses should be excluded from Admin networks' IP ranges (i.e. from DHCP ranges). This can be done manually as a workaround. | 16:45 |
| akasatkin | That's it. | 16:45 |
| kozhukalov_ | akasatkin, thanks | 16:45 |
| kozhukalov_ | any q? | 16:46 |
| kozhukalov_ | #topic Granularize monolyth Neutron task status. (svasilenko) | 16:46 |
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| xenolog13 | "Granularizing Neutron" feature is done, main code merged more than week ago. Tests merged last week. | 16:46 |
| xenolog13 | Some of network plugins for 8.0 may be affected. | 16:46 |
| xenolog13 | blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/make-neutron-deployment-task-more-granular | 16:46 |
| ikalnitsky | xenolog13: i remember that the patch has a lot of hardcoded "net04" / "net04_ext" stuff. have we get rid if this? | 16:48 |
| ikalnitsky | since it blocks one of my patches | 16:48 |
| xenolog13 | No, Enchacement team works on it. | 16:48 |
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| ikalnitsky | any eta? | 16:49 |
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| mihgen | xenolog13: thanks Sergey. can we separate api / data plane to different nodes? | 16:49 |
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| mattymo | ikalnitsky, xenolog13 the naming still needs to be done and it should be exposed to the user | 16:50 |
| xenolog13 | this feature doesn't affect nailgun | 16:50 |
| mattymo | I think we're clear to finally merge your portion ikalnitsky | 16:50 |
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| ikalnitsky | mattymo: xenolog13 just said we didn't get rid of it? | 16:51 |
| xenolog13 | ikalnitsky, net04* names hardcode used only if network names not given from YAML | 16:51 |
| mattymo | ikalnitsky, we're still going forward with what's on review. xenolog13 is referring to the neutron_config values in astute.yaml that we already discussed | 16:51 |
| angdraug | a hardcode is a hardcode | 16:51 |
| mattymo | angdraug, there's a default if the value isn't present in astute.yaml (so we can do it in pieces) | 16:52 |
| mattymo | otherwise we break CI and someone cries | 16:52 |
| bookwar | thanks, mattymo | 16:52 |
| kozhukalov_ | one more topic left in our agenda | 16:52 |
| angdraug | are you saying you will remove the hardcode before the feature is finished? | 16:53 |
| kozhukalov_ | are we done here? | 16:53 |
| mattymo | angdraug, yes | 16:53 |
| angdraug | ok, lets move on then | 16:53 |
| kozhukalov_ | Too much question like "how to extend bridge mappings" into Neutron. Proposal of micro-feature. (svasilenko) | 16:53 |
| xenolog13 | last time too many peoples interested two question: | 16:53 |
| xenolog13 | How to make provider networks by fuel? | 16:53 |
| xenolog13 | How to make multiple external (floating) networks? | 16:53 |
| xenolog13 | Unfortunately Fuel does not support out of box such features. | 16:53 |
| xenolog13 | I propose following changes: | 16:53 |
| xenolog13 | If we authomatize calculation of bridge mapping and vlan-ID mappings from neutron_config hash | 16:53 |
| xenolog13 | we will got ability for flexible create required configuration. | 16:53 |
| xenolog13 | After this each plugin-writers wil have ability | 16:53 |
| xenolog13 | to override neutron configuration and add his own non-standart mappings to our default. | 16:53 |
| xenolog13 | This changes not so complicated. | 16:53 |
| xenolog13 | Also this changes will cober bugs, like bug/1515197, bug/1489718. | 16:53 |
| xenolog13 | This changes give us ability to implement provider networks as plugin, because FF is coming. | 16:54 |
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| angdraug | what components need to be changed to support that? | 16:54 |
| xenolog13 | change some hardcode in Nailgun (1 python developer/1day) | 16:55 |
| angdraug | is that all? | 16:55 |
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| xenolog13 | make function for generate required resources (1 puppet end/2 days) | 16:55 |
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| xenolog13 | s/end/engineer/g | 16:56 |
| angdraug | 3 person-days looks cheap to me | 16:56 |
| angdraug | what about testing and documentation? | 16:56 |
| mihgen | xenolog13: this sounds like a good idea | 16:56 |
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| kozhukalov_ | enchancments team? | 16:57 |
| angdraug | will existing tests be affected by this change? | 16:57 |
| xenolog13 | I can make small blueprint and loop test for this task. | 16:57 |
| xenolog13 | Yes, we has test for current configuration, but for extended configuration we should add some new | 16:57 |
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| mihgen | it's probably more for unit-like tests and get partner team to review / play with code | 16:58 |
| angdraug | mihgen: +1 | 16:58 |
| angdraug | lets do it | 16:58 |
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| kozhukalov_ | ok, if we have people for this, let's do this, probably we first need a little bit for formal description | 16:58 |
| xenolog13 | +1 | 16:58 |
| kozhukalov_ | 2 minutes | 16:58 |
| angdraug | open discussion? | 16:59 |
| kozhukalov_ | no time | 16:59 |
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| kozhukalov_ | closing | 16:59 |
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| kozhukalov_ | thanks everyone | 16:59 |
| kozhukalov_ | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 12 16:59:34 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-11-12-16.01.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-11-12-16.01.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-11-12-16.01.log.html | 16:59 |
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| tmcpeak | #startmeeting security | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 12 17:00:46 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmcpeak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:00 | |
| tmcpeak | o/ | 17:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | \o | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | o\ | 17:00 |
| elmiko | thanks tmcpeak , was just looking up the meeting name ;) | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | o~ | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | whatup | 17:01 |
| michaelxin_ | morning | 17:01 |
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| tmcpeak | mr. Hyakuhei sends his regrets but he's doing customer things | 17:01 |
| tmcpeak | he has provided me with a wonderful agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-20151112-agenda | 17:01 |
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| elmiko | no worries | 17:01 |
| tmcpeak | nkinder: whatup! | 17:01 |
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| nkinder | tmcpeak: hey! | 17:01 |
| tmcpeak | long time man | 17:01 |
| tmcpeak | wb | 17:01 |
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| michaelxin_ | hi | 17:02 |
| bknudson | hi | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | #topic roll-call | 17:02 |
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| tmcpeak | o/ | 17:02 |
| bknudson | present | 17:02 |
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| elmiko | o/ | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | sweet | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | stragglers be damned | 17:03 |
| bknudson | bueller? | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Midcycle | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Midcycle (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:03 | |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei has set us up to do a joint midcycle with Barbican | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | which is legit | 17:03 |
| redrobot | o/ | 17:03 |
| michaelxin_ | +1 | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | as he said in etherpad, since I literally have 0 to do with this… | 17:03 |
| shelleea007 | o/ | 17:03 |
| bknudson | would be nice to be in san antonio in january | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | "we'll likely be in SA" | 17:03 |
| elmiko | bknudson: +1 | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | "we'll likely be there Jan 11-15" | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | "redrobot has said we'll have enough space" | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | -hyakuhei | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | so legit! | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | this is going to be awesome | 17:04 |
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| redrobot | yeah, looking into space right now | 17:04 |
| bknudson | we haven't discussed a keystone midcycle yet | 17:04 |
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| redrobot | anyone know avg attendance from OSSP for the mid-cycles? | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | personally Barbican is at the top of my list of cool projects which I know disappointingly jack-s about | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | redrobot: ~15 | 17:04 |
| dg_ | tmcpeak +! | 17:04 |
| bknudson | for keystone we've met at a hackerspace near the riverwalk | 17:04 |
| bknudson | I still haven't seen the rackspace castle. | 17:05 |
| redrobot | bknudson Geekdom! | 17:05 |
| redrobot | I'm looking at space in the Castle | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | is it a castle? | 17:05 |
| michaelxin_ | we have more than enough space | 17:05 |
| redrobot | michaelxin_ +1 | 17:05 |
| elmiko | don't you guys have an old mall or something? | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | SA is also way up on the list of US cities I haven't been but want to have been | 17:05 |
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| tmcpeak | good food, good booze, etc, etc | 17:06 |
| redrobot | elmiko yup, used to be a shady mall | 17:06 |
| elmiko | we could meet at the Hot Topic ;P | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: :P | 17:06 |
| * elmiko chuckles | 17:06 | |
| redrobot | elmiko lol | 17:06 |
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| tmcpeak | redrobot: have you guys worked out sponsorship yet? | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | you guys buying? ;) | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | I'm sure HP can pick up a night of drinking at least | 17:07 |
| redrobot | tmcpeak hehe | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | I won't speak for Rob though | 17:07 |
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| redrobot | I don't know yet... we could probably do a few lunches at least | 17:07 |
| bknudson | tmcpeak: you can speak for rob he's not here. | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | I can, but whatever I say doesn't carry weight, so.. | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | this is going to be awesome | 17:07 |
| bknudson | when do the food trucks show up? | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | next week we'll start with the list of attendees, topics, etc | 17:07 |
| redrobot | bknudson Tuesdays and Fridays | 17:07 |
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| bknudson | so midcycle is tue thru fri. | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | I for one think this might be the best midcycle yet | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | I'm excited about it | 17:08 |
| michaelxin | I talked with my manager | 17:08 |
| michaelxin | Our team will cover the cost for security mid-cycle | 17:08 |
| michaelxin | I also talked with Lisa | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | michaelxin: !! | 17:08 |
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| tmcpeak | legit! | 17:08 |
| michaelxin | She should be able to take care of Baribican side | 17:09 |
| elmiko | nice | 17:09 |
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| tmcpeak | michaelxin is the new Opera | 17:09 |
| redrobot | michaelxin awesome! | 17:09 |
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| michaelxin | thanks | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | ok awesome, I hope everybody can attend the whole week | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | this has been long overdue, I'm glad you guys set it up | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | next up: | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Anchor | 17:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Anchor (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:10 | |
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| tmcpeak | dg_, tkelsey: what's up? | 17:10 |
| dg_ | ive not touched anchor this week, dont know if tkelsey has? | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | tkelsey looks away | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | then... | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Killick | 17:12 |
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| tmcpeak | dg_ what's up? | 17:12 |
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| bknudson | what's killick? | 17:12 |
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| tmcpeak | dg_: what is killick? | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | it sounds weird, I'm a little resistant ;) | 17:13 |
| dg_ | killick - 'a form of Anchor used by primitive societies' - thanks google :) | 17:13 |
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| wayward710 | This? http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-October/076486.html | 17:13 |
| dg_ | its basically a traditional PKI using the anchor validation functionality, so you can use it to automatically enforce a certifiate policy | 17:14 |
| dg_ | the intention is that it will plug in behind barbican if necessary, or be deployed as a stand-alone pki | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | cool what's the status, where is it going, and by when? | 17:14 |
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| dg_ | currently a POC exists, you can curl it a CRL and it sticks it in the queue, and then you can connect to the admin api and deny/issue it | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | awesome! | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | what's next? | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | where is it? stackforge? | 17:15 |
| dg_ | the revocation API is working, but i havent had time to add the CRL signing code to anchor (because thats just going to be a whole bundle of bikesheds) | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | dg_: is this your baby? | 17:15 |
| dg_ | currently on github, stackforge isnt a thing afaik | 17:16 |
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| tmcpeak | wut | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | they killed stackforge? | 17:16 |
| elmiko | yea, it's either openstack or not | 17:16 |
| dg_ | yeah its loosely my baby, tim and I thought it up on a plane and I wrote a POC on a different plane | 17:16 |
| elmiko | or, openstack-dev i suppose | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | oooh | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool, it sounds awesome (not from this description, I've also seen more thorough presentations of it). So what's next? | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | how can we help? | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | since we own security, can we just move it in to our project? | 17:18 |
| dg_ | yeah I was talking to Rob and he suggested we pull it into our project once the POC works | 17:18 |
| dg_ | I need to have a think about the auth of it - really must sit down and talk that through with rob | 17:18 |
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| tmcpeak | dg_ ok cool | 17:19 |
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| tmcpeak | it's going to be a great addition to OSSG when it's ready | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | let us know if you need anything | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | #topic OpenStack-Ansible-Security | 17:19 |
| dg_ | once we've pulled it in, there will be lots of dev work - we will need to write a barbican plugin, I want to add ACME functionality (so we can kill coyotes), it will need a gui | 17:19 |
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| tmcpeak | dg_: sweet, sounds good | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | don't hesitate to reach out.. | 17:19 |
| michaelxin | dg_: +1 | 17:19 |
| dg_ | thanks tmcpeak - tis never going to be exciting like anchor, but its kinda useful when you want to deploy a cloud | 17:19 |
| dg_ | ty :) | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | sounds very useful | 17:19 |
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| tmcpeak | mhayden: you around? | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | ok.. if he comes around we'll come back | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Bandit | 17:20 |
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| tmcpeak | ok… so tkelsey and I have been working like crazy people on baseline | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | basically baseline is this | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | 1) I check in something 2) I run Bandit on the parent commit of whatever I check in 3) I run Bandit on what I've checked in 4) I subtract old findings from new 5) I report *just the new issues* | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | this is going to be awesome, and the quintessential gate I think | 17:21 |
| dg_ | nice | 17:21 |
| elmiko | neat | 17:21 |
| dg_ | i like that, so i can see the stuff I've messed up | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | we're busting ass on this for an internal project, but once it's ready we'll upstream it | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | this should be a usable gate for any project | 17:22 |
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| bknudson | current on keystone the gate doesn't allow anything broken in. | 17:22 |
| dg_ | tmcpeak - lets have this as a gate for anchor (and killick) | 17:22 |
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| tmcpeak | dg_: awesome, I was hoping you might say that | 17:22 |
| bknudson | so anything reported in a review is new. | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: exactly | 17:23 |
| dg_ | bknudson thats good :) | 17:23 |
| elmiko | i'm curious, how does this compare to just diffing the output of 2 runs? | 17:23 |
| michaelxin | one of the feedbacks from summit is that people want to know what defects Bandit found | 17:23 |
| michaelxin | maybe, we can document them somewhere for good defects. | 17:23 |
| bknudson | a tag in the launchpad bug might help | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: this is different because code position doesn't matter. It's using Bandit's awareness of the issues. So basically I have a tmp file issue - it moves. No new issue | 17:24 |
| wayward710 | So this is Bandit? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security/Projects/Bandit | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | I have one temp file issue and now I have two - one of them is new. Bandit shows what are the possible locations of the new issue | 17:24 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: interesting, sounds complicated ;) | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | wayward710: yep | 17:24 |
| wayward710 | thanks | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | wayward710: not sure we've seen you before | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | quick intro? | 17:24 |
| wayward710 | Sure. I'm Wendy Edwards, hopefully future volunteer with OpenStack security. Got a little bit of a backlog on some other open source tasks, which I'd like to clear before committing to anything else. So right now, trying to watch and learn. | 17:26 |
| elmiko | welcome wayward710 =) | 17:26 |
| michaelxin | wayward710: welcome | 17:26 |
| dg_ | o/ | 17:26 |
| wayward710 | Thanks, elmiko! | 17:26 |
| wayward710 | Thanks! | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | wayward710: awesome! welcome :) | 17:26 |
| dg_ | wayward710 out of interest, how did you hear about OpenStack Security? Tmcpeak wants to know if his marketing drive is getting results... | 17:27 |
| wayward710 | Have done a little work in security and IAM, but eager to learn more. | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | also I've snazzed up the HTML reporter a bit | 17:27 |
| wayward710 | I think I know @pleia2 (who is AFK right now) and she's talked a lot about OpenStack | 17:27 |
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| tmcpeak | here's the new HTML report: http://pasteboard.co/25o5qfQI.png | 17:28 |
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| elmiko | ooh shiny | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: thanks! you just made the top of my christmas card list | 17:29 |
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| tmcpeak | allright, enough braggies | 17:29 |
| elmiko | haha | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | 0.16.0 coming up, then we should really be able to hit the projects hard for Bandit gates | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | it doesn't matter how many issues you have, Bandit can make sure you don't introduce new ones | 17:29 |
| elmiko | sahara has taken on a task for Mitaka to get our bandit gate voting | 17:29 |
| elmiko | not sure we'll make it, but it's a goal | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: awesome! so far that's an exclusive bknudson club | 17:30 |
| michaelxin | elmiko: +1 | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | allright: OSSN | 17:30 |
| bknudson | I don't want to be the only member. | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | #topic OSSN | 17:30 |
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| tmcpeak | nkinder: wassssssup? | 17:30 |
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| nkinder | Pretty slow on the OSSN side of things, but there is one private/embargoed issue I'll be writing up today. | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | saw that you assigned that to yourself…looks fun :D | 17:31 |
| nkinder | :) | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | what's the backlog like? | 17:31 |
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| nkinder | there are 5 others in the backlog | 17:31 |
| bknudson | this one will be full of apologies | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | ;) | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | we're the OSSN. We don't apologize | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | OSSG even ;) | 17:32 |
| nkinder | I believe that only one of them is picked up already | 17:32 |
| nkinder | so we have 4 up for grabs | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | 6 it looks like | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | 4 untriaged | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | oh yeah | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | 5.. one fix commited? | 17:32 |
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| nkinder | Yeah. I should be able to get the one michaelxin worked on published today. It has the needed acks it seems. | 17:33 |
| ccneill | howdy. sorry I'm late! | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | hey ccneill, how it do? | 17:33 |
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| ccneill | doin' just fine B) | 17:33 |
| michaelxin | ccneill: +1 | 17:34 |
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| tmcpeak | sweet | 17:34 |
| nkinder | tmcpeak: the fix commited one might just need to be closed (I'll follow up on it) | 17:34 |
| michaelxin | nkinder: thanks | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool, nkinder want to have a triage party on these others? | 17:34 |
| nkinder | yeah | 17:34 |
| nkinder | we can do that on the main IRC channel | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool, reach out to me early your time | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | I'm in deep-dark Europe ATM | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Security-Docs | 17:35 |
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| tmcpeak | sicarie: whattttup? | 17:35 |
| sicarie | Still not much in that front | 17:35 |
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| sicarie | I think the case studies were merged, there might be one outstanding | 17:36 |
| elmiko | we've got some nice checklists shaping up =) | 17:36 |
| sicarie | +1 | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | oooh, I like checklists | 17:36 |
| sicarie | pdesai has put together a good framework for the checklists | 17:36 |
| sicarie | next step is still get leaf version pushed as soon as possible | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | a checklist checklist? :P | 17:36 |
| sicarie | that's really it for the guide ATM | 17:36 |
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| tmcpeak | ok cool | 17:37 |
| sicarie | well, how else will you know if you completed all the checklists? | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | I guess we'll need a checklists checklist checklist | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Specs | 17:37 |
| sicarie | +1 i'll open a bug | 17:37 |
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| tmcpeak | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/security-specs,n,z | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | wut is this | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | I see a lot of dg_ on this | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | dg_ wut is this | 17:38 |
| elmiko | nice to see some specs | 17:38 |
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| tmcpeak | dg, dg, anchor, dg, anchor... | 17:38 |
| dg_ | looks like the specs repo to me | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | yesss | 17:38 |
| elmiko | it's only like 3 specs from dg_ ... | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | but they're 3 of the first 4, so | 17:39 |
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| tmcpeak | this feels like a dg project | 17:39 |
| dg_ | we use specs to define ideas for things we want to build | 17:39 |
| * elmiko thinks tmcpeak is hitting the sangria early tonight... ;P | 17:39 | |
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| tmcpeak | :P | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | wonderufl | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | wonderful | 17:39 |
| dg_ | elmiko its 5 o clock somewhere | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | ok, I have nothing else witty to say about this | 17:39 |
| elmiko | +1 | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | it's 6:40 here | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | :# | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | so… next item? | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | or does anybody want to talk about specs? | 17:40 |
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| dg_ | we should probably close those specs | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Syntribos | 17:40 |
| elmiko | or get some more reviews on them? | 17:40 |
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| tmcpeak | michaelxin, ccneil: what's up with Syntribox? | 17:40 |
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| michaelxin | will work on it next week | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | geeze, can't type | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | 5:00 or not | 17:40 |
| dg_ | at least some of them, i think we are done bikshedding killick, and my anchor spec merged a month back | 17:40 |
| michaelxin | no update this week. | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | ok fair enough | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool | 17:41 |
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| tmcpeak | my favorite topic | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | #topic PR | 17:41 |
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| tmcpeak | ok guys, we have some good material | 17:41 |
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| tmcpeak | between the slide deck, the graphics that michaelxin has spearheaded getting for us.. | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | let's roll some recruiting :) | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | we have a few teams set up | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | first meeting is on the books in Seattle | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | tangible action items are god | 17:42 |
| michaelxin | Are we ok with the logo? | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | wow | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | good | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | michaelxin: link again? | 17:42 |
| michaelxin | I am thinking about printing some stikcers | 17:42 |
| elmiko | michaelxin: i like the shield logo that was used on the flag for the flyer | 17:42 |
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| michaelxin | http://5a6aa6580e900b8e8020-e5e45c5cb10329ebc9fb69948bb1b1a5.r65.cf1.rackcdn.com/ossp-badge-logo-01.png | 17:42 |
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| elmiko | yea, that one. +1 for stickers | 17:43 |
| michaelxin | http://5a6aa6580e900b8e8020-e5e45c5cb10329ebc9fb69948bb1b1a5.r65.cf1.rackcdn.com/ossp-flag-flyer_v3.pdf | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | michaelxin: I really like this | 17:43 |
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| michaelxin | elmiko: I thought you like the pirate one? | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | I remember a pirate one I also like | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: how are you doing with setting something up | 17:43 |
| elmiko | hehe, well yea... but for general use, you know, we need something more "official" | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | redrobot, michaelxin: same | 17:43 |
| bknudson | tmcpeak: I haven't made any progress. | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: ok anything I can help with? | 17:44 |
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| michaelxin | ok | 17:44 |
| bknudson | tmcpeak: not that I can think of | 17:44 |
| michaelxin | I will print some stickers | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | my boss, mr. chair6 is deeply busy ATM, so we're probably relying mostly on sicarie for Seattle | 17:44 |
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| tmcpeak | bknudson: ok, can you sign up for a few presos this week you think? | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | I'll sign up for some in the bay | 17:44 |
| wayward710 | Out of curiousity, is the logo still readable at small scale, and does that matter? | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | wayward710: how small? | 17:45 |
| bknudson | tmcpeak: presos? | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | it's a PNG so should scale | 17:45 |
| elmiko | wayward710: good question | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: yeah, basically we want to present what the security group is to OpenStack folks, security folks, and college students in your area | 17:45 |
| sicarie | tmcpeak: I went through the deck yesterday | 17:45 |
| elmiko | i'm guessing that png was generated from an svg though, it kinda looks like it | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | Minnesnowda or bust | 17:46 |
| sicarie | I can speak well to anything on there except Syntribos - I need to spend some time in that | 17:46 |
| sicarie | did we want to add ansible to the deck as well? Or the presenter notes? | 17:46 |
| elmiko | not a bad idea | 17:46 |
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| elmiko | how does ansible fit into the greater security project though? | 17:46 |
| tmcpeak | I'd love to, I think Ansible is one of the cooler projects… I'll try to find mhayden and see if he's interested in adding something | 17:46 |
| tmcpeak | sicarie: good idea | 17:46 |
| wayward710 | I understand that vector graphics do well with scaling -- I just meant if you needed a smallish version of the logo -- say something that would fit in a 200x200 box, would you be able to read the lettering? | 17:47 |
| elmiko | aside from securing it, we haven't talked much about our approach to using ansible | 17:47 |
| sicarie | elmiko: mostly the ansible-security effort | 17:47 |
| elmiko | wayward710: yea, i'm guessing it would not be very readable at those resolutions | 17:47 |
| bknudson | tmcpeak: I'll have to see what kind of meetups are going on. I don't know if I'm going to have time for this. | 17:47 |
| redrobot | I passed out flyers at a security meetup in SA last night | 17:47 |
| bknudson | this week anyways | 17:47 |
| redrobot | not sure if anyone came out though | 17:47 |
| elmiko | wayward710: honestly though, for a micro version of the logo we could probably drop the lettering and just go with the shield, leaves, and openstack logo | 17:48 |
| elmiko | michaelxin: ^^ | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: ok fair enough | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | if we an do Seattle, the Bay, Texas, and UK I'm happy | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | dg_; you still around? | 17:48 |
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| elmiko | sicarie, tmcpeak, re: ansible, i think we should have a stronger user story about ansible usage before we start including it | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: have you seen the Ubuntu secure deployment stuff? | 17:49 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: yea, i've seen some cool stuff about using ansible, i just havent' heard any of it coming from ossp | 17:49 |
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| tmcpeak | mhayden has mostly done it on his own | 17:49 |
| elmiko | i think we should increase our messaging, if that means including it in the presos. cool, but we should have more to our message. | 17:49 |
| tmcpeak | if he's willing though we can mention it in our security presentation | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: solid point | 17:50 |
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| tmcpeak | let me synch with him and see how interested he is in making it a security project | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | #topic AOB | 17:50 |
| elmiko | if we go down this path, we should help to generate information about how folks can get involved with deploying openstack through ansible | 17:50 |
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| elmiko | there was a really nice talk at summit about it too | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | the openstack stuff? | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | err | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | ansible stuff? | 17:51 |
| elmiko | yea, using ansible to deploy | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | that project is doing some awesome stuff | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | after the Bandit baseline is merged I'm going to set up a vagrant deploy for it | 17:51 |
| elmiko | check this one out, #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/videos/presentation/life-without-devstack-upstream-development-with-osad | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | we've been interested in some STIG-y stuff, I'm sure some of your orgs are as well | 17:52 |
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| tmcpeak | the ansible stuff is a good solution for that | 17:52 |
| elmiko | yea, seems really nice | 17:53 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool, so I think that's a wrap for this week? | 17:53 |
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| elmiko | nothing else from me | 17:53 |
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| tmcpeak | next week I'll hopefully have confirmed dates for bay area meetups | 17:53 |
| tmcpeak | #endmeeting | 17:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 12 17:54:00 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:54 |
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| tmcpeak | Thanks everybody! | 17:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-11-12-17.00.html | 17:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-11-12-17.00.txt | 17:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-11-12-17.00.log.html | 17:54 |
| tmcpeak | have a good week | 17:54 |
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| ccneill | o/ | 17:54 |
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| elmiko | #startmeeting sahara | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 12 18:00:09 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is elmiko. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:00 |
| elmiko | hi all | 18:00 |
| AndreyPavlov | hi) | 18:00 |
| crobertsrh | hel\o | 18:00 |
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| elmiko | #topic roll call | 18:00 |
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| huichun | hello | 18:00 |
| vgridnev | hi | 18:00 |
| NikitaKonovalov | o/ | 18:00 |
| elmiko | we'll give folks a minute or 2 =) | 18:00 |
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| elmiko | everyone recovered from summit? | 18:01 |
| crobertsrh | almost | 18:01 |
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| elmiko | ok, let's get rolling | 18:01 |
| elmiko | #topic sahara@horizon status (crobertsrh, vgridnev) | 18:01 |
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| elmiko | anything to report? | 18:02 |
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| crobertsrh | Several patches available for review, not much action. | 18:02 |
| elmiko | i -1'd something yesterday =) | 18:02 |
| crobertsrh | Hopefully, we can start moving on our repo move someday soon. | 18:02 |
| vgridnev | I have nothing at this topic today. | 18:02 |
| elmiko | +1 | 18:02 |
| crobertsrh | elmiko: Yes, I noticed that | 18:02 |
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| elmiko | i think we can probably move this topic down further in our agenda too | 18:03 |
| NikitaKonovalov | crobertsrh: anything stopping us from doing it now, rather the pushing patches to horizon? | 18:03 |
| elmiko | or, we should once we separate the repos | 18:03 |
| elmiko | good question NikitaKonovalov | 18:03 |
| tmckay | I think the sooner, the better. Same pain, might as well do it early | 18:04 |
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| tmckay | assuming agreement from the horizon folks | 18:04 |
| crobertsrh | I believe that david-lyle was doing a bit of work/poking on what the extraction would take. I need to follow up with him. | 18:04 |
| elmiko | cool | 18:04 |
| NikitaKonovalov | ok | 18:04 |
| elmiko | should we start to develop an etherpad to lay out our strategy for migrating to a new repo? | 18:04 |
| tmckay | #action croberts to follow up with dlyle on sahara repo extraction | 18:04 |
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| * tmckay hopes he did that right | 18:05 | |
| crobertsrh | I'll follow-up first, and see how much or how little is involved | 18:05 |
| elmiko | or really, crobertsrh, would you be willing to work on an etherpad for migration? | 18:05 |
| elmiko | or NikitaKonovalov, or vgridnev | 18:05 |
| elmiko | i think we should have some sort of plan we can all look at | 18:06 |
| tmckay | +1 | 18:06 |
| tmckay | it can be a placeholder at first, containing feedback from dlyle | 18:06 |
| elmiko | who's willing to take an action on this one... ? | 18:06 |
| elmiko | yea, that works | 18:06 |
| crobertsrh | I will | 18:07 |
| elmiko | cool, thanks | 18:07 |
| crobertsrh | sorry..was fighting devstack | 18:07 |
| elmiko | lets ammend that previous action | 18:07 |
| elmiko | #undo | 18:07 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Action object at 0x972d210> | 18:07 |
| tmckay | what??? devstack? | 18:07 |
| * pino|work sees devstack doing a supplex and beating crobertsrh once again | 18:07 | |
| elmiko | #action crobertsrh to followup with david-lyle about separating sahara ui, and create an etherpad for migration plans | 18:07 |
| elmiko | ok, thanks | 18:08 |
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| elmiko | #topic News/Updates | 18:08 |
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| elmiko | so, what's everyone working on? | 18:08 |
| tmckay | I put up a spec for smoothing overlap between is_default and is_protected, +2s just needs a merge | 18:09 |
| vgridnev | I am working on collecting nice-to-have changes for stable/liberty and make backports | 18:09 |
| egafford | Throwing around and testing image generation possibilities; should start posting specs by EONW. | 18:09 |
| huichun | Fix some unit test on edp engine | 18:09 |
| tmckay | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241773/ | 18:09 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | Still in internal performance testing | 18:09 |
| AndreyPavlov | few patches to client from me | 18:09 |
| elmiko | i'm getting back into improved secret storage, and starting for the next phase of apiv2 | 18:09 |
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| crobertsrh | I've been doing shares on active clusters | 18:10 |
| tmckay | also, I am thinking about a spec to allow "is_public" to be set even if "is_protected" is set. Thinking about UI workflow, public should just be a checkbox you can toggle without unprotect/toggle/re-protect | 18:10 |
| elmiko | tmckay: looks like egafford gave that a +A | 18:10 |
| tmckay | what do you all think? ^^ | 18:10 |
| tmckay | if such a spec will be dead-on-arrival, I won't bother writing it | 18:10 |
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| elmiko | #topic is_public/is_protected | 18:10 |
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| tmckay | is_public is just meta-info, not object content | 18:10 |
| elmiko | the floor is yours tmckay | 18:11 |
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| vgridnev | tmckay, FYI there is already an change that implements acl operations from ui https://review.openstack.org/#/c/239671/ | 18:11 |
| elmiko | tmckay: only the owner would be able to set is_public? | 18:11 |
| tmckay | yes | 18:12 |
| tmckay | vgridnev, how does it handle this? | 18:12 |
| tmckay | from the CLI, I had to unprotect, change public, reprotect | 18:12 |
| tmckay | seems unnecessary | 18:12 |
| tmckay | if a payload contains only "is_public", I think we should honor it (as long as the tenant check passes" | 18:13 |
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| elmiko | i don't have an objection to the owner being able to set is_public on a protected resource | 18:13 |
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| vgridnev | You can create is_public / protected object and also can make updates of these fields for several templates in 1 click | 18:13 |
| vgridnev | templates -> objects | 18:14 |
| tmckay | vgridnev, but what if public is false on a protected object, and I want to set public true | 18:14 |
| elmiko | how is it implemented, does it unprotect/set public/reprotect? | 18:14 |
| tmckay | I have to set protected = false, public = true, submit, then set protected = true, submit again, right? | 18:14 |
| egafford | Thinking about it, we need protected objects to be able to be made public while protected; otherwise there's a window in which they are freely editable. | 18:14 |
| tmckay | that's two forms to turn on public | 18:15 |
| tmckay | egafford, also true | 18:15 |
| elmiko | egafford: +1 | 18:15 |
| egafford | Could be pretty suboptimal. | 18:15 |
| vgridnev | tmckay, there is no way to do so, because of restrictions on sahara side | 18:15 |
| elmiko | it's all metadata anyways, this operation should be allowed by the owner | 18:15 |
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| tmckay | vgridnev, right, which is what my spec will fix! :) | 18:15 |
| elmiko | vgridnev: right, tmckay is proposing we make a change on sahara | 18:15 |
| egafford | I suppose there are potential issues with making a public, protected object non-public (what if someone needs it?) | 18:15 |
| tmckay | vgridnev, do you think it's a good idea? | 18:15 |
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| tmckay | egafford, up to the owner. That can happen now. | 18:16 |
| elmiko | egafford: ooh, good point | 18:16 |
| egafford | But I don't think this affects that problem (the owner can just unprotect and the unpublish anyway.) | 18:16 |
| egafford | tmckay: Right. | 18:16 |
| tmckay | we could put a reference check on it, I suppose. maybe a different spec/bug | 18:16 |
| elmiko | as long as it's limited to the owner, i think it's a good change | 18:16 |
| vgridnev | Looks good for owner, I think | 18:16 |
| egafford | Best practice should probably be to copy public resources if you strictly depend on them. | 18:17 |
| elmiko | tmckay: i wouldn't do the reference check. that way lies madness | 18:17 |
| tmckay | okay. It sounds like there is support, so I'll write it up. Should be a short, simple spec | 18:17 |
| tmckay | egafford, ack | 18:17 |
| egafford | elmiko: +1 to the maw of refs. | 18:17 |
| elmiko | egafford: agreed about the copy | 18:17 |
| tmckay | elmiko, alright, we can change topics, I got the warm fuzzies I was hoping for | 18:17 |
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| elmiko | cool | 18:17 |
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| elmiko | #topic post summit recap | 18:18 |
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| elmiko | so, we had some really good sessions at summit | 18:18 |
| elmiko | any specific issues that folks would like to discuss from them? | 18:18 |
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| pino|work | i have few questions about the image generation session, but if it is too long i can always pestt^W anno^W ask egafford later | 18:19 |
| elmiko | go ahead pino|work, ask away =) | 18:19 |
| pino|work | * Idempotent steps capable of creating an image either before or after nova spawn | 18:20 |
| pino|work | (reading from the pad) | 18:20 |
| pino|work | what does the above mean? | 18:20 |
| egafford | pino|work: Essentially, we came to "we are slightly concerned about switching away from DIB or from DIB style elements, but we are agreed that we need an engine that reproducibly works. We also all want to move image generation into the API itself and make image gen process part of each plugin, and make sure that we can run the same logic to pack images as we can to build from clean images." | 18:20 |
| egafford | pino|work: Essentially that last bit. | 18:21 |
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| pino|work | so no more a single script/repo for all the image types? | 18:21 |
| egafford | Basically, we want to make sure that we can pack images that the plugins can test to make sure they're up to spec, build them out further if they're not right, or use them as-is if they are. | 18:21 |
| egafford | That probably means enforcing idempotence (or at least check-then-act) in all cases. | 18:22 |
| egafford | pino|work: That's certainly what SergeyLukjanov and I agreed should probably happen. We really only get version mismatch that way, and moving it into plugins lets us eventually make a 1-click build image button in OpenStack itself. | 18:23 |
| egafford | Especially as our options grow, we'll want to expose that ability to public cloud users easily. | 18:23 |
| pino|work | aha, i see | 18:23 |
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| pino|work | but still leaving the possibility for pre-built images, right? | 18:24 |
| egafford | In the end, if we go to plugins-as-real-plugins-in-separate-repos, we won't be able to support a single repo for images anyway. | 18:24 |
| egafford | Yes, absolutely. | 18:24 |
| huichun | egafford: so we will not have a repo for all images? | 18:24 |
| egafford | huichun: It doesn't really scale to n plugins and it introduces versioning issues besides, and it doesn't help us build image gen into our actual flow. | 18:25 |
| egafford | huichun: So eventually, yeah, I think that's the direction we want to go as of the summit discussion. | 18:25 |
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| elmiko | i suppose, as long as we can run sahara in an isolate mode and still generate images that would be cool | 18:26 |
| egafford | elmiko: Yup. | 18:26 |
| sreshetnyak | if OpenStack environment doesn't have internet access, how build image? | 18:26 |
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| elmiko | it would be a loss, imo, if you need to have a full openstack cloud going to generate images | 18:26 |
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| egafford | sreshetnyak: If the whole OpenStack env doesn't, then yeah, we can't. | 18:26 |
| elmiko | sreshetnyak: good question | 18:26 |
| pino|work | egafford: is this break-up of the image generations also matching a potential break-up of the plugins in own repos? | 18:26 |
| egafford | pino|work: It's a foundational step to help breaking up plugins into their own repos. | 18:27 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | so the envs w/o internet we can have images published somewhere | 18:29 |
| egafford | sreshetnyak: I believe that we'll likely want to provide a command-line wrapper around the image gen process as well, so that folks can build images anywhere if they don't want to on OpenStack. | 18:29 |
| elmiko | this process still has a long way to go though, we don't even have a spec to beat around yet | 18:30 |
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| elmiko | any other topics related to summit? | 18:30 |
| egafford | elmiko: Yeah, I expect the spec to have the tar beaten out of it (validly.) | 18:30 |
| elmiko | egafford: +1 | 18:31 |
| sreshetnyak | egafford, SIE is a good command line wrapper for building images | 18:31 |
| elmiko | pino|work: did you have other questions? | 18:31 |
| pino|work | elmiko: not at the moment, thanks (egafford too) | 18:31 |
| egafford | sreshetnyak: :) | 18:31 |
| elmiko | np | 18:31 |
| elmiko | so, i have a question related to the improved secret store. this came up at summit and ideally i'd love to hear from SergeyLukjanov, but i'm curious what the group thinks... | 18:32 |
| elmiko | so, i'm wrapping the castellan configuration options | 18:32 |
| elmiko | previously, i had been exposing them, but SergeyLukjanov recommended that we wrap them in sahara specific options | 18:32 |
| elmiko | is it ok if i just create a sahara specific config option like "use_barbican_key_manager"? | 18:33 |
| elmiko | instead of using castellan's api specific class config | 18:33 |
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| egafford | elmiko: If you can wrap it in a single boolean without losing functionality that we need, that's great. | 18:34 |
| tmckay | hmm, if we're wrapping castellan, I don't see why not | 18:34 |
| crobertsrh | Yeah, single boolean is lovely | 18:34 |
| egafford | elmiko: Less burden on the user. Question, though, is what we lose. | 18:34 |
| elmiko | i'm thinking about how to make it simple for a deployer | 18:34 |
| tmckay | hiding is hiding, after all | 18:34 |
| elmiko | i guess is an infra issue that is starting to get traction, in terms of wrapping config options for libraries instead of exposing them | 18:34 |
| egafford | elmiko: +1 if we can do it. One man's hiding is another man's encapsulation. | 18:35 |
| elmiko | it's a tough issue with regard to oslo.config | 18:35 |
| elmiko | ok, thanks. next question, should i update the spec to reflect these changes? | 18:35 |
| elmiko | (just for completeness sake) | 18:35 |
| elmiko | i'm fine not updating it, but wanted to see if there were any objectsions | 18:36 |
| elmiko | objections even | 18:36 |
| elmiko | ok, then... any other summit related topics? | 18:37 |
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| tmckay | minor detail, I think you can skip spec update | 18:37 |
| tmckay | comment it in the change | 18:37 |
| elmiko | yea, will do. plus i'm writing docs as well | 18:37 |
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| elmiko | #topic apiv2 | 18:37 |
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| elmiko | just wanted to bring this up | 18:38 |
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| elmiko | we had some great discussion at summit about the path forward, but it will require input from the group | 18:38 |
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| elmiko | i'd like to ask everyone to take a look at the etherpad and the review | 18:38 |
| elmiko | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-mitaka-apiv2 | 18:38 |
| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/212172/ | 18:38 |
| elmiko | in the next few weeks i will be trimming the list of changes and looking to update the spec | 18:39 |
| tmckay | will do | 18:39 |
| elmiko | if you have any comments or suggestions for the first draft of apiv2, please add them | 18:39 |
| tmckay | I'll add the job type name change stuff there too | 18:39 |
| elmiko | awesome, thanks! | 18:39 |
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| tmckay | MapReduce -> map-reduce | 18:39 |
| tmckay | more openstacky | 18:39 |
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| elmiko | i'll add a section at the bottom of the etherpad for suggestions | 18:39 |
| tmckay | or just mapreduce in that case, maybe, but you get the idea | 18:40 |
| elmiko | yea | 18:40 |
| elmiko | #topic Open Discussion | 18:40 |
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| elmiko | any other business or topics? | 18:41 |
| crobertsrh | nothing from me | 18:41 |
| NikitaKonovalov | nothing from me either | 18:41 |
| elmiko | going once... | 18:42 |
| elmiko | twice... | 18:42 |
| vgridnev | stable guardians, please review the stable/liberty changes https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/sahara+branch:stable/liberty,n,z | 18:42 |
| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/sahara+branch:stable/liberty,n,z | 18:42 |
| elmiko | good point, thanks vgridnev | 18:42 |
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| vgridnev | also, please note that we need release notes modifications in stable branch now | 18:43 |
| elmiko | is there a guide for that vgridnev ? | 18:43 |
| vgridnev | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/reno/usage.html#creating-new-release-notes | 18:44 |
| elmiko | thanks | 18:44 |
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| tmckay | elmiko, good meeting | 18:44 |
| elmiko | if nothing else, let's take back 15 minutes =) | 18:45 |
| elmiko | going once... | 18:45 |
| tmckay | +1 | 18:45 |
| elmiko | twice... | 18:45 |
| elmiko | SOLD! | 18:45 |
| elmiko | thanks all | 18:45 |
| elmiko | #endmeeting | 18:45 |
| egafford | Bye! | 18:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 12 18:45:37 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-11-12-18.00.html | 18:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-11-12-18.00.txt | 18:45 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-11-12-18.00.log.html | 18:45 |
| huichun | bye | 18:45 |
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| amitgandhinz | #startmeeting Poppy Weekly Meeting | 19:08 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 12 19:08:13 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amitgandhinz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:08 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:08 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'poppy_weekly_meeting' | 19:08 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Roll Call | 19:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:08 | |
| malini | o/ | 19:08 |
| tonytan4ever | o/ | 19:08 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link Agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Poppy | 19:09 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Last Week Today | 19:10 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-11-05-19.15.html | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | amitgandhinz to add the poppy talk link to the wiki page | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | this is done | 19:10 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Poppy/Talks#OpenStack_Tokyo_Conference_.28Oct_2015.29 | 19:10 |
| cathR | o/ | 19:11 |
| malini | cathR: \o/ | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Update on Mitaka Cycle | 19:11 |
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| cathR | :) | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/mitaka | 19:11 |
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| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: update on the 3 SSL blueprints? | 19:11 |
| tonytan4ever | I'd leave it for In Good Progress. | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | ok | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | malini: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/gate-api-tests | 19:12 |
| malini | haven't started on tht yet | 19:12 |
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| malini | will get to it soon | 19:13 |
| amitgandhinz | ok i dont believe any of the other blueprints are being worked on yet etither =( | 19:13 |
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| amitgandhinz | we need a bp for the analytics story | 19:14 |
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| amitgandhinz | #action amitgandhinz to create the story for CDN analytics drivers | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Open Discussion | 19:16 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok one of the things i want to start doing is tagging releasable code | 19:17 |
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| tonytan4ever | +1 | 19:17 |
| amitgandhinz | so when the branch is stable and we know the tests are passing etc, we tag the branch and operators can deploy it | 19:17 |
| mkmad | Sounds good. | 19:18 |
| amitgandhinz | this is in line with some of the stuff discussed in Tokyo | 19:18 |
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| amitgandhinz | im still trying to figure out the process but you should start seeing this happen shortly | 19:18 |
| amitgandhinz | ok anything else anyone want to chat about? | 19:18 |
| malini | nothing from me | 19:19 |
| tonytan4ever | I am good as well. | 19:19 |
| amitgandhinz | ok in that case, thanks everyone | 19:19 |
| amitgandhinz | #endmeeting | 19:19 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 12 19:19:58 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:20 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-11-12-19.08.html | 19:20 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-11-12-19.08.txt | 19:20 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-11-12-19.08.log.html | 19:20 |
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